Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 oil leak

From: Randall <[email-masked]> RSX6YYH2sQ5YVtU9pY82nuuWgbUgtp1ZCCxk9uwAV4tRNbWrriX7L7fQc46MFxi1LXvfnyycVgQBbNVI/xZFQN19kLJ0NC+y1tM=
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Pointless, and quite possibly harmful=2E

 Above that hole is the cavity where the clutch is, and the clutch facings=
 need to stay dry=2E  The leak is from either the rear main seal or the gea=
rbox input seal (most likely rear main)=2E

 If you stop up the bell housing drain hole, it will just leak from the co=
ver plate=2E Then if you seal it up, the bell housing will slowly fill with=
 oil until it fouls the clutch=2E

A much better fix is to fit the "Mad Marx" Viton rear seal=2E Unfortunatel=
y, that is an engine-out operation=2E
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Pointless, and quite possibly harmful=2E<br><br> Above that hole is the cav=
ity where the clutch is, and the clutch facings need to stay dry=2E  The le=
ak is from either the rear main seal or the gearbox input seal (most likely=
 rear main)=2E<br><br> If you stop up the bell housing drain hole, it will =
just leak from the cover plate=2E Then if you seal it up, the bell housing =
will slowly fill with oil until it fouls the clutch=2E<br><br>A much better=
 fix is to fit the "Mad Marx" Viton rear seal=2E Unfortunately, that is an =
engine-out operation=2E<br>-- Randall
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I would say that oil coming out of that bell housing weep hole indicates
rear engine seal leakage or transmission oil leakage. Every farm tractor
engine that I have worked on will have some dampness there but drips
indicate something more severe. Does the drip smell like gear oil or does it
have the color and consistency of engine oil? This is a similar situation to
coolant leakage through the weep hole of a water pump. If you see leakage,
the issue is not the weep hole.

Alex Thomson

From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of dave
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2018 2:18 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [TR] TR4 oil leak

I can see oil is coming out here.  Would it make any sense to put a gasket
in there?  Plug that hole?  Is that bad or simply pointless?

Early tr4

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class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I would =
say that oil coming out of that bell housing weep hole indicates rear =
engine seal leakage or transmission oil leakage. Every farm tractor =
engine that I have worked on will have some dampness there but drips =
indicate something more severe. Does the drip smell like gear oil or =
does it have the color and consistency of engine oil? This is a similar =
situation to coolant leakage through the weep hole of a water pump. If =
you see leakage, the issue is not the weep hole.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>dave<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 27, 2018 2:18 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> [email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> [TR] TR4 oil =
leak<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I can see =
oil is coming out here.&nbsp; Would it make any sense to put a gasket in =
there?&nbsp; Plug that hole?&nbsp; Is that bad or simply =
pointless?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Early tr4<o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>
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That is the rear main seal leaking a little.  No big deal.  I do see that yo=
ur transmission bell housing flange has a serious crack in it.  That's a big=
ger deal.  It will only get worse. =20
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utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>That is the rear main seal leaking a l=
ittle. &nbsp;No big deal. &nbsp;I do see that your transmission bell housing=
 flange has a serious crack in it. &nbsp;That's a bigger deal. &nbsp;It will=
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From: DAVE HOGYE <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 16:53:58 -0700 (PDT)

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I had another look at the photo and I think I see a weld on the bell housing near the clutch slave bracket.  Perhaps you are aware of that situation.  

DH

> On September 27, 2018 at 11:18 AM dave <[email-masked]> wrote:
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>     I can see oil is coming out here.  Would it make any sense to put a gasket in there?  Plug that hole?  Is that bad or simply pointless?
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From: Cliff Hansen <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 00:24:28 +0000

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No, it wouldn=92t.  If that=92s engine oil, I=92d suspect it leaked from th=
e rear main seal, and a likely culprit is pressure in the crankcase.  Would=
 be worth checking your engine=92s ventilation system.  If it=92s transmiss=
ion fluid, then its either the front main seal of the tranny, or the gasket=
 under the cover at the front of the layshaft.

Either way, you don=92t want a pool of oil in the bell housing for the clut=
ch to pick up.

Cliff

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From: Triumphs <[email-masked]> on behalf of dave <dave@ra=
nteer.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2018 12:18:03 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [TR] TR4 oil leak

I can see oil is coming out here.  Would it make any sense to put a gasket =
in there?  Plug that hole?  Is that bad or simply pointless?

Early tr4

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">No, it wouldn=92t.&nbsp; If that=92s engine oil, I=
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lation system.&nbsp; If it=92s transmission fluid, then its either
 the front main seal of the tranny, or the gasket under the cover at the fr=
ont of the layshaft.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Either way, you don=92t want a pool of oil in the be=
ll housing for the clutch to pick up.</p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cliff</p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 27, 2018 12:18:03 PM<br>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I can see oil is coming out here.&nbsp; Would it mak=
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ad or simply pointless?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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From: Geo Hahn <[email-masked]>
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I have seen some cars (not TRs) that have something in that hole, a loose
cotter pin I think.

The idea is that as you drive the pin jiggles and oil can drip out but when
you are parked the pin plugs the hole.

Not suggesting that , just though it was an interesting idea.

Geo

> in there?  Plug that hole?  Is that bad or simply pointless?

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<div dir=3D"ltr">I have seen some cars (not TRs) that have something in tha=
t hole, a loose cotter pin I think.<div><br></div><div>The idea is that as =
you drive the pin jiggles and oil can drip out but when you are parked the =
pin plugs the hole.</div><div><br></div><div>Not suggesting that , just tho=
ugh it was an interesting idea.</div><div><br></div><div>Geo</div><br><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 3:16 PM dave=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br=
></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-=
left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"#0563C1" =
vlink=3D"#954F72"><div class=3D"m_4165277315815345914WordSection1"><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">I can see oil is coming out here.=C2=A0 Would it make any se=
nse to put a gasket in there?=C2=A0 Plug that hole?=C2=A0 Is that bad or si=
mply pointless?<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u=
></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Early tr4</p></div></div>
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From: Chris Simo <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2018 06:43:49 -0400

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So much going on in that picture. :) I wish we had pics 20 years ago...

You didn't ask, but the clutch slave cylinder seems to be mounted at an
angle.  Is that intentional? If so, what does it do better?

Chris

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<div dir=3D"auto">So much going on in that picture. :) I wish we had pics 2=
0 years ago...<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">You didn&#39;t =
ask, but the clutch slave cylinder seems to be mounted at an angle.=C2=A0 I=
s that intentional? If so, what does it do better?</div><div dir=3D"auto"><=
br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Chris</div></div>

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