Subject: Re: [TR] SU H6 Carb Question

From: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 07:26:19 +0200

The shoulder should be flush with the base of the piston.  I insert it just a little high then use a straightedge to bring down to flush.  This way I know they are both equally positioned.  
Bill
TS30800L

Sent from my Handspring Treo

On Sep 14, 2018, at 11:08 PM, Jim Henningsen <[email-masked]> wrote:

When inserting a new needle into the damper piston bottom, does the needle
go all the way to "bottom out" in the hole, then secure with set screw.  Or
does it go down before bottoming out so the wider shoulder of the needle is
flat with base of piston?  SU H6 carb for TR3A.  
Thanks,
Jim Henningsen
Ocala FL

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From: James Henningsen <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 09:10:46 -0400

Thanks.  I installed that way and now working on centering jet properly.  My first time doing these do not in a big hurry.  Curious thing is I do t get the “click” of the piston when it falls to base while testing jet center.   Even without the shoe jet assembly installed it doesn’t click.  Seems to be the vacuum in the chamber is acting as a shock absorber.  I’m going to try I a different cover assembly with piston to see if better fit.  Good news is I have a spare set.  
Thanks,
Jim

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From: Paul Dorsey <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 11:13:28 -0400

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 At some point, I was going to ask the group if I were doing things
improperly here. The only way I can get the piston to drop  with a click is
to leave the assembly  untightened. What should I do?

On Sat, Sep 15, 2018 at 9:52 AM James Henningsen <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Thanks.  I installed that way and now working on centering jet properly.
> My first time doing these do not in a big hurry.  Curious thing is I do t
> get the =E2=80=9Cclick=E2=80=9D of the piston when it falls to base while=
 testing jet
> center.   Even without the shoe jet assembly installed it doesn=E2=80=99t=
 click.
> Seems to be the vacuum in the chamber is acting as a shock absorber.  I=
=E2=80=99m
> going to try I a different cover assembly with piston to see if better
> fit.  Good news is I have a spare set.
> Thanks,
> Jim
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > The shoulder should be flush with the base of the piston.  I insert it
> just a little high then use a straightedge to bring down to flush.  This
> way I know they are both equally positioned.
> > Bill
> > TS30800L
> >
> > does it go down before bottoming out so the wider shoulder of the needl=
e
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<div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0At some point, I was going to ask the group if=
 I were doing things improperly here. The only way I can get the piston to =
drop =C2=A0with a click is to leave the assembly =C2=A0untightened. What sh=
ould I do?=C2=A0</div></div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D=
"ltr">On Sat, Sep 15, 2018 at 9:52 AM James Henningsen &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid=
;padding-left:1ex">Thanks.=C2=A0 I installed that way and now working on ce=
ntering jet properly.=C2=A0 My first time doing these do not in a big hurry=
.=C2=A0 Curious thing is I do t get the =E2=80=9Cclick=E2=80=9D of the pist=
on when it falls to base while testing jet center.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Even without=
 the shoe jet assembly installed it doesn=E2=80=99t click.=C2=A0 Seems to b=
e the vacuum in the chamber is acting as a shock absorber.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99=
m going to try I a different cover assembly with piston to see if better fi=
t.=C2=A0 Good news is I have a spare set.=C2=A0 <br>
Thanks,<br>
Jim<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone<br>
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&gt; On Sep 15, 2018, at 1:26 AM, <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targe=
t=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" t=
arget=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; The shoulder should be flush with the base of the piston.=C2=A0 I inse=
rt it just a little high then use a straightedge to bring down to flush.=C2=
=A0 This way I know they are both equally positioned.=C2=A0 <br>
&gt; Bill<br>
&gt; TS30800L<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Sent from my Handspring Treo<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; On Sep 14, 2018, at 11:08 PM, Jim Henningsen &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:trg=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; When inserting a new needle into the damper piston bottom, does the ne=
edle<br>
&gt; go all the way to &quot;bottom out&quot; in the hole, then secure with=
 set screw.=C2=A0 Or<br>
&gt; does it go down before bottoming out so the wider shoulder of the need=
le is<br>
&gt; flat with base of piston?=C2=A0 SU H6 carb for TR3A.=C2=A0 <br>
&gt; Thanks,<br>
&gt; Jim Henningsen<br>
&gt; Ocala FL<br>
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From: "Randall" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 13:02:25 -0400

> The only way I can get the piston to 
> drop  with a click is to leave the assembly  untightened. 
> What should I do? 

What happens if you snug it all down, but pull the jet down by 1/2" or so?

If that produces a click, then your jet centering is off.  Otherwise,
something is binding.  

Have you checked that the piston moves absolutely freely in the dome with
the dome off the carb body?  The domes are thin and fragile, it doesn't take
much of a bump on the outside to make a dent inside.  And since the
clearance to the piston is so small, it only takes a tiny dent to make it
bind.

If the piston moves freely with the dome off the carb body, but binds when
you screw the dome down, then either the bottom of the dome or the surface
of the carb where it sits is not flat.

Note that pistons were originally matched to the domes; if you've swapped
pistons between domes it is possible that a big piston combined with a small
dome is binding.  There's a John Twist video somewhere about how to do the
"drop test" to check how well the piston matches the dome.

-- Randall

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From: Paul Tegler <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 13:21:45 -0400

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with holes in the bottom of the piston how is a vacuum being created?
main spring in place?

Are you trying to do this with the damper plungers in place?

The 'click' is simply IS the piston seating completely

ptegler

On 9/15/2018 11:13 AM, Paul Dorsey wrote:
> improperly here. The only way I can get the piston to drop  with a 
> click is to leave the assembly  untightened. What should I do?
>
> On Sat, Sep 15, 2018 at 9:52 AM James Henningsen <[email-masked] 
>
>     Thanks.  I installed that way and now working on centering jet
>     properly.  My first time doing these do not in a big hurry.
>     Curious thing is I do t get the “click” of the piston when it
>     falls to base while testing jet center.   Even without the shoe
>     jet assembly installed it doesn’t click.  Seems to be the vacuum
>     in the chamber is acting as a shock absorber. I’m going to try I a
>     different cover assembly with piston to see if better fit.  Good
>     news is I have a spare set.
>     Thanks,
>     Jim
>
>     Sent from my iPhone
>
>     > On Sep 15, 2018, at 1:26 AM, [email-masked]
>     >
>     > The shoulder should be flush with the base of the piston.  I
>     insert it just a little high then use a straightedge to bring down
>     to flush.  This way I know they are both equally positioned.
>     > Bill
>     > TS30800L
>     >
>     > On Sep 14, 2018, at 11:08 PM, Jim Henningsen <[email-masked]
>     >
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    <p>with holes in the bottom of the piston how is a vacuum being
      created?<br>
      main spring in place?<br>
    </p>
    <p>Are you trying to do this with the damper plungers in place?</p>
    <p>The 'click' is simply IS the piston seating completely</p>
    <p>ptegler<br>
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    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/15/2018 11:13 AM, Paul Dorsey
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        <div dir="auto"> At some point, I was going to ask the group if
          I were doing things improperly here. The only way I can get
          the piston to drop  with a click is to leave the assembly
           untightened. What should I do? </div>
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          <div dir="ltr">On Sat, Sep 15, 2018 at 9:52 AM James
            Henningsen &lt;<a href="mailto:[email-masked]"
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            .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Thanks.  I
            installed that way and now working on centering jet
            properly.  My first time doing these do not in a big hurry. 
            Curious thing is I do t get the “click” of the piston when
            it falls to base while testing jet center.   Even without
            the shoe jet assembly installed it doesn’t click.  Seems to
            be the vacuum in the chamber is acting as a shock absorber. 
            I’m going to try I a different cover assembly with piston to
            see if better fit.  Good news is I have a spare set.  <br>
            Thanks,<br>
            Jim<br>
            <br>
            Sent from my iPhone<br>
            <br>
            &gt; On Sep 15, 2018, at 1:26 AM, <a
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            &gt; The shoulder should be flush with the base of the
            piston.  I insert it just a little high then use a
            straightedge to bring down to flush.  This way I know they
            are both equally positioned.  <br>
            &gt; Bill<br>
            &gt; TS30800L<br>
            &gt; <br>
            &gt; Sent from my Handspring Treo<br>
            &gt; <br>
            &gt; On Sep 14, 2018, at 11:08 PM, Jim Henningsen &lt;<a
              href="mailto:[email-masked]" target="_blank"
              moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
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            &gt; When inserting a new needle into the damper piston
            bottom, does the needle<br>
            &gt; go all the way to "bottom out" in the hole, then secure
            with set screw.  Or<br>
            &gt; does it go down before bottoming out so the wider
            shoulder of the needle is<br>
            &gt; flat with base of piston?  SU H6 carb for TR3A.  <br>
            &gt; Thanks,<br>
            &gt; Jim Henningsen<br>
            &gt; Ocala FL<br>
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Plunger removed.  The tolerance between the dome and piston is pretty tight s=
o it doesn=E2=80=99t go up and down without a little vacuum that you can fee=
l air pushing out of bottom holes in piston.  This is even with jet complete=
ly removed.  I think the tightness is the piston shaft going into the dome s=
haft.  I have cleaned but still same.  Got the same on another dome. May try=
 another piston.  I just don=E2=80=99t have a lot of spares
Jim

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>>  At some point, I was going to ask the group if I were doing things impro=
perly here. The only way I can get the piston to drop  with a click is to le=
ave the assembly  untightened. What should I do?=20
>>=20
>>> On Sat, Sep 15, 2018 at 9:52 AM James Henningsen <[email-masked]> wro=
te:
>>> Thanks.  I installed that way and now working on centering jet properly.=
  My first time doing these do not in a big hurry.  Curious thing is I do t g=
et the =E2=80=9Cclick=E2=80=9D of the piston when it falls to base while tes=
ting jet center.   Even without the shoe jet assembly installed it doesn=E2=80=
=99t click.  Seems to be the vacuum in the chamber is acting as a shock abso=
rber.  I=E2=80=99m going to try I a different cover assembly with piston to s=
ee if better fit.  Good news is I have a spare set. =20
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>>> Jim
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>>> > go all the way to "bottom out" in the hole, then secure with set screw=
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>>> > does it go down before bottoming out so the wider shoulder of the need=
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>>> > flat with base of piston?  SU H6 carb for TR3A. =20
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>>> > Jim Henningsen
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Plunger removed. &nbsp;The tolerance betwee=
n the dome and piston is pretty tight so it doesn=E2=80=99t go up and down w=
ithout a little vacuum that you can feel air pushing out of bottom holes in p=
iston. &nbsp;This is even with jet completely removed. &nbsp;I think the tig=
htness is the piston shaft going into the dome shaft. &nbsp;I have cleaned b=
ut still same. &nbsp;Got the same on another dome. May try another piston. &=
nbsp;I just don=E2=80=99t have a lot of spares<div>Jim<br><br><div id=3D"App=
leMailSignature">Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On Sep 15, 2018, at 1:21 PM=
, Paul Tegler &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>
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    <p>with holes in the bottom of the piston how is a vacuum being
      created?<br>
      main spring in place?<br>
    </p>
    <p>Are you trying to do this with the damper plungers in place?</p>
    <p>The 'click' is simply IS the piston seating completely</p>
    <p>ptegler<br>
    </p>
    <br>
    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 9/15/2018 11:13 AM, Paul Dorsey
      wrote:<br>
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        <div dir=3D"auto">&nbsp;At some point, I was going to ask the group i=
f
          I were doing things improperly here. The only way I can get
          the piston to drop &nbsp;with a click is to leave the assembly
          &nbsp;untightened. What should I do?&nbsp;</div>
      </div>
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            .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Thanks.&nbsp; I=

            installed that way and now working on centering jet
            properly.&nbsp; My first time doing these do not in a big hurry.=
&nbsp;
            Curious thing is I do t get the =E2=80=9Cclick=E2=80=9D of the p=
iston when
            it falls to base while testing jet center.&nbsp; &nbsp;Even with=
out
            the shoe jet assembly installed it doesn=E2=80=99t click.&nbsp; S=
eems to
            be the vacuum in the chamber is acting as a shock absorber.&nbsp=
;
            I=E2=80=99m going to try I a different cover assembly with pisto=
n to
            see if better fit.&nbsp; Good news is I have a spare set.&nbsp; <=
br>
            Thanks,<br>
            Jim<br>
            <br>
            Sent from my iPhone<br>
            <br>
            &gt; On Sep 15, 2018, at 1:26 AM, <a href=3D"mailto:Wbeech@flash=
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            &gt; <br>
            &gt; The shoulder should be flush with the base of the
            piston.&nbsp; I insert it just a little high then use a
            straightedge to bring down to flush.&nbsp; This way I know they
            are both equally positioned.&nbsp; <br>
            &gt; Bill<br>
            &gt; TS30800L<br>
            &gt; <br>
            &gt; Sent from my Handspring Treo<br>
            &gt; <br>
            &gt; On Sep 14, 2018, at 11:08 PM, Jim Henningsen &lt;<a href=3D=
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            &gt; When inserting a new needle into the damper piston
            bottom, does the needle<br>
            &gt; go all the way to "bottom out" in the hole, then secure
            with set screw.&nbsp; Or<br>
            &gt; does it go down before bottoming out so the wider
            shoulder of the needle is<br>
            &gt; flat with base of piston?&nbsp; SU H6 carb for TR3A.&nbsp; <=
br>
            &gt; Thanks,<br>
            &gt; Jim Henningsen<br>
            &gt; Ocala FL<br>
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