Subject: Re: [TR] Starting a dry engine advice sought

From: TERRY SMITH <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 07:46:49 -0400 (EDT)

Just my experience, but on my last engine rebuild, my lifters were toast, having traded much metal with the cam lobes.  I'd run exclusively Valvoline synthetic, an otherwise fine oil except for the zinc content.  Now I'm running Valvoline 20-50 racing oil.  So far no problems, but we'll know for sure at the next tear down.

Terry Smith, '59 TR3A
New Hampshire

> On September 5, 2018 at 1:59 PM Randall <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > I've been told that Valvoline Racing oil has zinc in it.  
> > It's odd that the newer cars don't require it.  In fact, why 
> > is it important?
> 
> Lots of opinions, here are mine:
> 
> In a nutshell, it helps protect critical surfaces (like cam lobes and
> lifters) in case the oil film breaks down (gets rubbed away by the relative
> motion of parts).
> 
> The TR camshaft (along with many other performance cars) is actually pretty
> aggressive in terms of force developed between the camshaft lobe and lifter
> during high rpm engine operation. 
> 
> Newer engines either use roller lifters (to eliminate the rubbing between
> lobe and lifter) or less aggressive camshafts (that are less likely to rub
> away the oil film).
> 
> Honestly, I'm not absolutely convinced that the TR motor needs the extra
> ZDDP.  But it seems clear that many older engines do (even those not
> particularly high performance by today's standards); and it hardly seems
> worth taking a chance by using a lower ZDDP oil.  (AFAIK, all modern motor
> oils still contain some ZDDP, they just have lower amounts.  The oil
> industry has been searching for a suitable substitute, but I haven't heard
> of them finding one yet.)
> 
> -- Randall  
> 
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From: Paul Dorsey <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 07:56:39 -0400

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 Why do you think the synthetic  oil  might have done that? I ordered some
ZDVP from Moss, So I guess Valvoline racing one might be overkill for me.
Can you have too much zinc?

On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 7:46 AM TERRY SMITH <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Just my experience, but on my last engine rebuild, my lifters were toast,
> having traded much metal with the cam lobes.  I'd run exclusively Valvoline
> synthetic, an otherwise fine oil except for the zinc content.  Now I'm
> running Valvoline 20-50 racing oil.  So far no problems, but we'll know for
> sure at the next tear down.
>
> Terry Smith, '59 TR3A
> New Hampshire
>
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<div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0Why do you think the synthetic =C2=A0oil =C2=
=A0might have done that? I ordered some ZDVP from Moss, So I guess Valvolin=
e racing one might be overkill for me. Can you have too much zinc?</div></d=
iv><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Sun, Sep 9, 2018=
 at 7:46 AM TERRY SMITH &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">terryrs@=
comcast.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Just my =
experience, but on my last engine rebuild, my lifters were toast, having tr=
aded much metal with the cam lobes.=C2=A0 I&#39;d run exclusively Valvoline=
 synthetic, an otherwise fine oil except for the zinc content.=C2=A0 Now I&=
#39;m running Valvoline 20-50 racing oil.=C2=A0 So far no problems, but we&=
#39;ll know for sure at the next tear down.<br>
<br>
Terry Smith, &#39;59 TR3A<br>
New Hampshire<br>
<br>
&gt; On September 5, 2018 at 1:59 PM Randall &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tr3drive=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; I&#39;ve been told that Valvoline Racing oil has zinc in it.=C2=
=A0 <br>
&gt; &gt; It&#39;s odd that the newer cars don&#39;t require it.=C2=A0 In f=
act, why <br>
&gt; &gt; is it important?<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Lots of opinions, here are mine:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; In a nutshell, it helps protect critical surfaces (like cam lobes and<=
br>
&gt; lifters) in case the oil film breaks down (gets rubbed away by the rel=
ative<br>
&gt; motion of parts).<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; The TR camshaft (along with many other performance cars) is actually p=
retty<br>
&gt; aggressive in terms of force developed between the camshaft lobe and l=
ifter<br>
&gt; during high rpm engine operation. <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Newer engines either use roller lifters (to eliminate the rubbing betw=
een<br>
&gt; lobe and lifter) or less aggressive camshafts (that are less likely to=
 rub<br>
&gt; away the oil film).<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Honestly, I&#39;m not absolutely convinced that the TR motor needs the=
 extra<br>
&gt; ZDDP.=C2=A0 But it seems clear that many older engines do (even those =
not<br>
&gt; particularly high performance by today&#39;s standards); and it hardly=
 seems<br>
&gt; worth taking a chance by using a lower ZDDP oil.=C2=A0 (AFAIK, all mod=
ern motor<br>
&gt; oils still contain some ZDDP, they just have lower amounts.=C2=A0 The =
oil<br>
&gt; industry has been searching for a suitable substitute, but I haven&#39=
;t heard<br>
&gt; of them finding one yet.)<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; -- Randall=C2=A0 <br>
&gt; <br>
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[email-masked]</a> **<br>
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From: TERRY SMITH <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 08:09:24 -0400 (EDT)

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I have, on occasion, had too much of a good time, so yes I'm guessing yes anything has a surfeit of advantage.  If you're running a zinc additive I don't think you'd need to also use racing oil.  I'm just too lazy to mess with it.  And too, I have to top off the oil with fair frequency and don't want to have to track the dilution factor by adding zinc everytime. 

> On September 9, 2018 at 7:56 AM Paul Dorsey <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
>      Why do you think the synthetic  oil  might have done that? I ordered some ZDVP from Moss, So I guess Valvoline racing one might be overkill for me. Can you have too much zinc?
> 
>     On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 7:46 AM TERRY SMITH < [email-masked] mailto:[email-masked] > wrote:
> 
> >         > On September 5, 2018 at 1:59 PM Randall < [email-masked] mailto:[email-masked] > wrote:
> >         >
> >         >
> >         >
> >         > ** [email-masked] mailto:[email-masked] **
> >         >

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ood time, so yes I&#39;m guessing yes anything has a surfeit of advantage.&=
#160; If you&#39;re running a zinc additive I don&#39;t think you&#39;d nee=
d to also use racing oil.&#160; I&#39;m just too lazy to mess with it.&#160=
; And too, I have to top off the oil with fair frequency and don&#39;t want=
 to have to track the dilution factor by adding zinc everytime.&#160; <br><=
/p><blockquote type=3D"cite">On September 9, 2018 at 7:56 AM Paul Dorsey &#=
60;[email-masked]&#62; wrote: <br> <br><div><div dir=3D"auto">&#160;Why=
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 me. Can you have too much zinc?</div></div><div><br><div class=3D"ox-9a698=
5d4be-gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 7:46 AM TERRY SM=
ITH &#60; <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&#6=
2; wrote: <br></div><blockquote>Just my experience, but on my last engine r=
ebuild, my lifters were toast, having traded much metal with the cam lobes.=
&#160; I&#39;d run exclusively Valvoline synthetic, an otherwise fine oil e=
xcept for the zinc content.&#160; Now I&#39;m running Valvoline 20-50 racin=
g oil.&#160; So far no problems, but we&#39;ll know for sure at the next te=
ar down. <br> <br> Terry Smith, &#39;59 TR3A <br> New Hampshire <br> <br> &=
#62; On September 5, 2018 at 1:59 PM Randall &#60; <a href=3D"mailto:tr3dri=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener">[email-masked]</a>&#=
62; wrote: <br> &#62; <br> &#62; <br> &#62; <br> &#62; &#62; I&#39;ve been =
told that Valvoline Racing oil has zinc in it.&#160; <br> &#62; &#62; It&#3=
9;s odd that the newer cars don&#39;t require it.&#160; In fact, why <br> &=
#62; &#62; is it important? <br> &#62; <br> &#62; Lots of opinions, here ar=
e mine: <br> &#62; <br> &#62; In a nutshell, it helps protect critical surf=
aces (like cam lobes and <br> &#62; lifters) in case the oil film breaks do=
wn (gets rubbed away by the relative <br> &#62; motion of parts). <br> &#62=
; <br> &#62; The TR camshaft (along with many other performance cars) is ac=
tually pretty <br> &#62; aggressive in terms of force developed between the=
 camshaft lobe and lifter <br> &#62; during high rpm engine operation. <br>=
 &#62; <br> &#62; Newer engines either use roller lifters (to eliminate the=
 rubbing between <br> &#62; lobe and lifter) or less aggressive camshafts (=
that are less likely to rub <br> &#62; away the oil film). <br> &#62; <br> =
&#62; Honestly, I&#39;m not absolutely convinced that the TR motor needs th=
e extra <br> &#62; ZDDP.&#160; But it seems clear that many older engines d=
o (even those not <br> &#62; particularly high performance by today&#39;s s=
tandards); and it hardly seems <br> &#62; worth taking a chance by using a =
lower ZDDP oil.&#160; (AFAIK, all modern motor <br> &#62; oils still contai=
n some ZDDP, they just have lower amounts.&#160; The oil <br> &#62; industr=
y has been searching for a suitable substitute, but I haven&#39;t heard <br=
> &#62; of them finding one yet.) <br> &#62; <br> &#62; -- Randall&#160; <b=
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From: TERRY SMITH <[email-masked]>
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Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 08:14:17 -0400

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 Five or 10 years ago I didn=E2=80=99t think there was much of an  zinc ing=
redient
in  Valvoline racing oil. Have things Change D?

On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 8:09 AM TERRY SMITH <[email-masked]> wrote:

> I have, on occasion, had too much of a good time, so yes I'm guessing yes
> anything has a surfeit of advantage.  If you're running a zinc additive I
> don't think you'd need to also use racing oil.  I'm just too lazy to mess
> with it.  And too, I have to top off the oil with fair frequency and don'=
t
> want to have to track the dilution factor by adding zinc everytime.
>
>  Why do you think the synthetic  oil  might have done that? I ordered som=
e
> On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 7:46 AM TERRY SMITH < [email-masked]> wrote:
>
> having traded much metal with the cam lobes.  I'd run exclusively Valvoli=
ne
> running Valvoline 20-50 racing oil.  So far no problems, but we'll know f=
or
> > On September 5, 2018 at 1:59 PM Randall < [email-masked]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Honestly, I'm not absolutely convinced that the TR motor needs the extr=
a
> > particularly high performance by today's standards); and it hardly seem=
s
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/[email-masked]

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<div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0Five or 10 years ago I didn=E2=80=99t think th=
ere was much of an =C2=A0zinc ingredient in =C2=A0Valvoline racing oil. Hav=
e things Change D?</div></div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=
=3D"ltr">On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 8:09 AM TERRY SMITH &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:t=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote=
 class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc soli=
d;padding-left:1ex"><u></u>

   =20
<div><p style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;colo=
r:rgb(51,51,51)">I have, on occasion, had too much of a good time, so yes I=
&#39;m guessing yes anything has a surfeit of advantage.=C2=A0 If you&#39;r=
e running a zinc additive I don&#39;t think you&#39;d need to also use raci=
ng oil.=C2=A0 I&#39;m just too lazy to mess with it.=C2=A0 And too, I have =
to top off the oil with fair frequency and don&#39;t want to have to track =
the dilution factor by adding zinc everytime.=C2=A0 <br></p></div><div><blo=
ckquote type=3D"cite">On September 9, 2018 at 7:56 AM Paul Dorsey &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&g=
t; wrote: <br> <br><div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0Why do you think the synthe=
tic =C2=A0oil =C2=A0might have done that? I ordered some ZDVP from Moss, So=
 I guess Valvoline racing one might be overkill for me. Can you have too mu=
ch zinc?</div></div><div><br><div class=3D"m_3122730354673180787ox-9a6985d4=
be-gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 7:46 AM TERRY SMITH=
 &lt; <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">terryrs@comc=
ast.net</a>&gt; wrote: <br></div><blockquote>Just my experience, but on my =
last engine rebuild, my lifters were toast, having traded much metal with t=
he cam lobes.=C2=A0 I&#39;d run exclusively Valvoline synthetic, an otherwi=
se fine oil except for the zinc content.=C2=A0 Now I&#39;m running Valvolin=
e 20-50 racing oil.=C2=A0 So far no problems, but we&#39;ll know for sure a=
t the next tear down. <br> <br> Terry Smith, &#39;59 TR3A <br> New Hampshir=
e <br> <br> &gt; On September 5, 2018 at 1:59 PM Randall &lt; <a href=3D"ma=
ilto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"noopener" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
r.com</a>&gt; wrote: <br> &gt; <br> &gt; <br> &gt; <br> &gt; &gt; I&#39;ve =
been told that Valvoline Racing oil has zinc in it.=C2=A0 <br> &gt; &gt; It=
&#39;s odd that the newer cars don&#39;t require it.=C2=A0 In fact, why <br=
> &gt; &gt; is it important? <br> &gt; <br> &gt; Lots of opinions, here are=
 mine: <br> &gt; <br> &gt; In a nutshell, it helps protect critical surface=
s (like cam lobes and <br> &gt; lifters) in case the oil film breaks down (=
gets rubbed away by the relative <br> &gt; motion of parts). <br> &gt; <br>=
 &gt; The TR camshaft (along with many other performance cars) is actually =
pretty <br> &gt; aggressive in terms of force developed between the camshaf=
t lobe and lifter <br> &gt; during high rpm engine operation. <br> &gt; <br=
> &gt; Newer engines either use roller lifters (to eliminate the rubbing be=
tween <br> &gt; lobe and lifter) or less aggressive camshafts (that are les=
s likely to rub <br> &gt; away the oil film). <br> &gt; <br> &gt; Honestly,=
 I&#39;m not absolutely convinced that the TR motor needs the extra <br> &g=
t; ZDDP.=C2=A0 But it seems clear that many older engines do (even those no=
t <br> &gt; particularly high performance by today&#39;s standards); and it=
 hardly seems <br> &gt; worth taking a chance by using a lower ZDDP oil.=C2=
=A0 (AFAIK, all modern motor <br> &gt; oils still contain some ZDDP, they j=
ust have lower amounts.=C2=A0 The oil <br> &gt; industry has been searching=
 for a suitable substitute, but I haven&#39;t heard <br> &gt; of them findi=
ng one yet.) <br> &gt; <br> &gt; -- Randall=C2=A0 <br> &gt; <br> &gt; ** <a=
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From: "Randall" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 10:24:08 -0400

>  Five or 10 years ago I didn't think there was much of an  
> zinc ingredient in  Valvoline racing oil. Have things Change D?

There was a brief period where they reduced it slightly; but Valvoline
Racing has always had ZDDP in it.  It's not entirely clear to me that 900
PPM is worse than 1100 PPM as long as you change oil frequently; more just
lets you run the oil longer before it is depleted.  But the consumer
reaction was apparently enough to convince them to put it back up.

-- Randall

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From: "Randall" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 10:52:52 -0400

>  Why do you think the synthetic  oil  might have done that? I 
> ordered some ZDVP from Moss, So I guess Valvoline racing one 
> might be overkill for me. Can you have too much zinc?
> 

Some sources say that too much is worse than too little!  It can supposedly
both interfere with the other additives, and make the steel more brittle.

I'm also suspicious of do-it-yourself oil additives.  There are some very
smart people who spend their entire professional career trying to find just
the right combination of just the right additives to accomplish all the
goals of modern engine oil.  Throwing in your own additive without knowing
what is already in there is kind of like dumping salt in the soup without
tasting it first.  Might make it better; might not.

At the same time, almost every popular oil additive has been chastised by
the FTC for making false or unsubstantiated claims.

-- Randall

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From: Paul Dorsey <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 11:16:53 -0400

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 I should=E2=80=99ve consulted  this list be for ordering The additive from=
 Moss

On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 10:52 AM Randall <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Some sources say that too much is worse than too little!  It can supposed=
ly
> smart people who spend their entire professional career trying to find ju=
st
> goals of modern engine oil.  Throwing in your own additive without knowin=
g
> the FTC for making false or unsubstantiated claims.

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<div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0I should=E2=80=99ve consulted =C2=A0this list =
be for ordering The additive from Moss</div></div><div><br><div class=3D"gm=
ail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 10:52 AM Randall &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><=
/div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-le=
ft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">&gt;=C2=A0 Why do you think the synthet=
ic=C2=A0 oil=C2=A0 might have done that? I <br>
&gt; ordered some ZDVP from Moss, So I guess Valvoline racing one <br>
&gt; might be overkill for me. Can you have too much zinc?<br>
&gt; <br>
<br>
Some sources say that too much is worse than too little!=C2=A0 It can suppo=
sedly<br>
both interfere with the other additives, and make the steel more brittle.<b=
r>
<br>
I&#39;m also suspicious of do-it-yourself oil additives.=C2=A0 There are so=
me very<br>
smart people who spend their entire professional career trying to find just=
<br>
the right combination of just the right additives to accomplish all the<br>
goals of modern engine oil.=C2=A0 Throwing in your own additive without kno=
wing<br>
what is already in there is kind of like dumping salt in the soup without<b=
r>
tasting it first.=C2=A0 Might make it better; might not.<br>
<br>
At the same time, almost every popular oil additive has been chastised by<b=
r>
the FTC for making false or unsubstantiated claims.<br>
<br>
-- Randall=C2=A0 <br>
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Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 11:10:38 -0500

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Valvoline Racing Oil has always had high ZDDP levels, as far as I know.
Certainly it has for the almost ten years I've used it.
https://www.valvoline.com/about-us/faq/racing-oil-faq

On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 7:14 AM, Paul Dorsey <[email-masked]> wrote:

>  Five or 10 years ago I didn=E2=80=99t think there was much of an  zinc i=
ngredient
>> I have, on occasion, had too much of a good time, so yes I'm guessing ye=
s
>> anything has a surfeit of advantage.  If you're running a zinc additive =
I
>> don't think you'd need to also use racing oil.  I'm just too lazy to mes=
s
>> with it.  And too, I have to top off the oil with fair frequency and don=
't
>>  Why do you think the synthetic  oil  might have done that? I ordered
>> some ZDVP from Moss, So I guess Valvoline racing one might be overkill f=
or
>> me. Can you have too much zinc?
>>
>> Just my experience, but on my last engine rebuild, my lifters were toast=
,
>> having traded much metal with the cam lobes.  I'd run exclusively Valvol=
ine
>> running Valvoline 20-50 racing oil.  So far no problems, but we'll know =
for
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Valvoline Racing Oil has always had high =
ZDDP levels, as far as I know.=C2=A0 Certainly it has for the almost ten ye=
ars I&#39;ve used it.<div><a href=3D"https://www.valvoline.com/about-us/faq=
/racing-oil-faq">https://www.valvoline.com/about-us/faq/racing-oil-faq</a><=
/div><div><br><div><br></div></div></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><=
br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 7:14 AM, Paul Dorsey <=
span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank=
">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex=
"><div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0Five or 10 years ago I didn=E2=80=99t think =
there was much of an =C2=A0zinc ingredient in =C2=A0Valvoline racing oil. H=
ave things Change D?</div></div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div di=
r=3D"ltr">On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 8:09 AM TERRY SMITH &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<b=
r></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border=
-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><u></u>

   =20
<div><p style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;colo=
r:rgb(51,51,51)">I have, on occasion, had too much of a good time, so yes I=
&#39;m guessing yes anything has a surfeit of advantage.=C2=A0 If you&#39;r=
e running a zinc additive I don&#39;t think you&#39;d need to also use raci=
ng oil.=C2=A0 I&#39;m just too lazy to mess with it.=C2=A0 And too, I have =
to top off the oil with fair frequency and don&#39;t want to have to track =
the dilution factor by adding zinc everytime.=C2=A0 <br></p></div><div><blo=
ckquote type=3D"cite">On September 9, 2018 at 7:56 AM Paul Dorsey &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&g=
t; wrote: <br> <br><div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0Why do you think the synthe=
tic =C2=A0oil =C2=A0might have done that? I ordered some ZDVP from Moss, So=
 I guess Valvoline racing one might be overkill for me. Can you have too mu=
ch zinc?</div></div><div><br><div class=3D"m_8227906701391840797m_312273035=
4673180787ox-9a6985d4be-gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 a=
t 7:46 AM TERRY SMITH &lt; <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D=
"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote: <br></div><blockquote>Just my e=
xperience, but on my last engine rebuild, my lifters were toast, having tra=
ded much metal with the cam lobes.=C2=A0 I&#39;d run exclusively Valvoline =
synthetic, an otherwise fine oil except for the zinc content.=C2=A0 Now I&#=
39;m running Valvoline 20-50 racing oil.=C2=A0 So far no problems, but we&#=
39;ll know for sure at the next tear down. <br> <br> Terry Smith, &#39;59 T=
R3A <br> New Hampshire <br> <br> &gt; On September 5, 2018 at 1:59 PM Randa=
ll &lt; <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"noopener" target=3D"_=
blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote: <br> &gt; <br> &gt; <br> &gt; <br=
> &gt; &gt; I&#39;ve been told that Valvoline Racing oil has zinc in it.=C2=
=A0 <br> &gt; &gt; It&#39;s odd that the newer cars don&#39;t require it.=
=C2=A0 In fact, why <br> &gt; &gt; is it important? <br> &gt; <br> &gt; Lot=
s of opinions, here are mine: <br> &gt; <br> &gt; In a nutshell, it helps p=
rotect critical surfaces (like cam lobes and <br> &gt; lifters) in case the=
 oil film breaks down (gets rubbed away by the relative <br> &gt; motion of=
 parts). <br> &gt; <br> &gt; The TR camshaft (along with many other perform=
ance cars) is actually pretty <br> &gt; aggressive in terms of force develo=
ped between the camshaft lobe and lifter <br> &gt; during high rpm engine o=
peration. <br> &gt; <br> &gt; Newer engines either use roller lifters (to e=
liminate the rubbing between <br> &gt; lobe and lifter) or less aggressive =
camshafts (that are less likely to rub <br> &gt; away the oil film). <br> &=
gt; <br> &gt; Honestly, I&#39;m not absolutely convinced that the TR motor =
needs the extra <br> &gt; ZDDP.=C2=A0 But it seems clear that many older en=
gines do (even those not <br> &gt; particularly high performance by today&#=
39;s standards); and it hardly seems <br> &gt; worth taking a chance by usi=
ng a lower ZDDP oil.=C2=A0 (AFAIK, all modern motor <br> &gt; oils still co=
ntain some ZDDP, they just have lower amounts.=C2=A0 The oil <br> &gt; indu=
stry has been searching for a suitable substitute, but I haven&#39;t heard =
<br> &gt; of them finding one yet.) <br> &gt; <br> &gt; -- Randall=C2=A0 <b=
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From: Rye Livingston <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2018 11:58:23 -0700

FYI - if a little zinc is good, a lot is NOT better. Things get too slippery and the tappets don’t rotate on the cam lobes. I learned this the hard way and the machine shop informed me of the error of too much zinc.

So either Valvoline, Brad Penn or Kendall that have ZDDP, or half a bottle of Red Line break-in oil per instructions, is the way to go.

Rye

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 9, 2018, at 7:24 AM, Randall <[email-masked]> wrote:

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Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 16:17:21 -0400

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Don=E2=80=99t we have flat tappet engines? Why do they need to rotate?

On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 2:58 PM Rye Livingston <[email-masked]> wrote:

> FYI - if a little zinc is good, a lot is NOT better. Things get too
> slippery and the tappets don=E2=80=99t rotate on the cam lobes. I learned=
 this the
> hard way and the machine shop informed me of the error of too much zinc.
>
> So either Valvoline, Brad Penn or Kendall that have ZDDP, or half a bottl=
e
> of Red Line break-in oil per instructions, is the way to go.
>
> Rye
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > Racing has always had ZDDP in it.  It's not entirely clear to me that 9=
00
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<div>Don=E2=80=99t we have flat tappet engines? Why do they need to rotate?=
</div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Sun, Sep 9, 2=
018 at 2:58 PM Rye Livingston &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">ryel@mac.=
com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"marg=
in:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">FYI - if a littl=
e zinc is good, a lot is NOT better. Things get too slippery and the tappet=
s don=E2=80=99t rotate on the cam lobes. I learned this the hard way and th=
e machine shop informed me of the error of too much zinc.<br>
<br>
So either Valvoline, Brad Penn or Kendall that have ZDDP, or half a bottle =
of Red Line break-in oil per instructions, is the way to go.<br>
<br>
Rye<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone<br>
<br>
On Sep 9, 2018, at 7:24 AM, Randall &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
om" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt;&gt; Five or 10 years ago I didn&#39;t think there was much of an=C2=A0=
 <br>
&gt;&gt; zinc ingredient in=C2=A0 Valvoline racing oil. Have things Change =
D?<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; There was a brief period where they reduced it slightly; but Valvoline=
<br>
&gt; Racing has always had ZDDP in it.=C2=A0 It&#39;s not entirely clear to=
 me that 900<br>
&gt; PPM is worse than 1100 PPM as long as you change oil frequently; more =
just<br>
&gt; lets you run the oil longer before it is depleted.=C2=A0 But the consu=
mer<br>
&gt; reaction was apparently enough to convince them to put it back up.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; -- Randall<br>
&gt; <br>
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From: Rye Livingston <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2018 13:25:47 -0700

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I=E2=80=99m not 100% on this so others can chime in and correct me.=20

My understanding is when the cam rolls by and lifts the tappet it will also r=
otate it a little bit so it doesn=E2=80=99t continue to strike the same spot=
 over and over and over. Too much zinc, too slippery, doesn=E2=80=99t rotate=
 the tappet, wears the cam lobe prematurely.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 9, 2018, at 1:17 PM, Paul Dorsey <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
>> FYI - if a little zinc is good, a lot is NOT better. Things get too slipp=
ery and the tappets don=E2=80=99t rotate on the cam lobes. I learned this th=
e hard way and the machine shop informed me of the error of too much zinc.
>> So either Valvoline, Brad Penn or Kendall that have ZDDP, or half a bottl=
e of Red Line break-in oil per instructions, is the way to go.
>> >> Five or 10 years ago I didn't think there was much of an =20
00
>> > PPM is worse than 1100 PPM as long as you change oil frequently; more j=
ust
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">I=E2=80=99m not 100% on this so others can c=
hime in and correct me.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>My understanding is when th=
e cam rolls by and lifts the tappet it will also rotate it a little bit so i=
t doesn=E2=80=99t continue to strike the same spot over and over and over. T=
oo much zinc, too slippery, doesn=E2=80=99t rotate the tappet, wears the cam=
 lobe prematurely.<br><br><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">Sent from my iPhone=
</div><div><br>On Sep 9, 2018, at 1:17 PM, Paul Dorsey &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockqu=
ote type=3D"cite"><div><div>Don=E2=80=99t we have flat tappet engines? Why d=
o they need to rotate?</div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"=
ltr">On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 2:58 PM Rye Livingston &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rye=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex=
">FYI - if a little zinc is good, a lot is NOT better. Things get too slippe=
ry and the tappets don=E2=80=99t rotate on the cam lobes. I learned this the=
 hard way and the machine shop informed me of the error of too much zinc.<br=
<br>
So either Valvoline, Brad Penn or Kendall that have ZDDP, or half a bottle o=
f Red Line break-in oil per instructions, is the way to go.<br>
<br>
Rye<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone<br>
<br>
On Sep 9, 2018, at 7:24 AM, Randall &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
m" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt;&gt; Five or 10 years ago I didn't think there was much of an&nbsp; <br>=

&gt;&gt; zinc ingredient in&nbsp; Valvoline racing oil. Have things Change D=
?<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; There was a brief period where they reduced it slightly; but Valvoline<=
br>
&gt; Racing has always had ZDDP in it.&nbsp; It's not entirely clear to me t=
hat 900<br>
&gt; PPM is worse than 1100 PPM as long as you change oil frequently; more j=
ust<br>
&gt; lets you run the oil longer before it is depleted.&nbsp; But the consum=
er<br>
&gt; reaction was apparently enough to convince them to put it back up.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; -- Randall<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; ** <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">triumph=
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Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 08:14:22 -0400

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 That makes sense but if it=E2=80=99s drugs it in the very center of the Ta=
ppit, It
probably doesn=E2=80=99t  turn  much

On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 7:43 AM TERRY SMITH <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Dunno about any change but the label on the jug claims "High Zinc."
>
>
> On September 9, 2018 at 8:14 AM Paul Dorsey <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
ngredient
> On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 8:09 AM TERRY SMITH < [email-masked]> wrote:
>
t
> On September 9, 2018 at 7:56 AM Paul Dorsey < [email-masked]> wrote:
>
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<div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0That makes sense but if it=E2=80=99s drugs it =
in the very center of the Tappit, It probably doesn=E2=80=99t =C2=A0turn =
=C2=A0much</div></div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">=
On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 7:43 AM TERRY SMITH &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:terryrs@c=
omcast.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex"><u></u>

   =20
<div><p style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;colo=
r:rgb(51,51,51)">Dunno about any change but the label on the jug claims &qu=
ot;High Zinc.&quot;<br></p></div><div><p style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-famil=
y:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)"><br></p><blockquote type=
=3D"cite">On September 9, 2018 at 8:14 AM Paul Dorsey &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote: <b=
r> <br><div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0Five or 10 years ago I didn=E2=80=99t t=
hink there was much of an =C2=A0zinc ingredient in =C2=A0Valvoline racing o=
il. Have things Change D?</div></div><div><br><div class=3D"m_8478195670273=
029513ox-0f7987c59a-gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 8:=
09 AM TERRY SMITH &lt; <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_bl=
ank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote: <br></div><blockquote><u></u><div><=
p style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;color:#333=
333">I have, on occasion, had too much of a good time, so yes I&#39;m guess=
ing yes anything has a surfeit of advantage.=C2=A0 If you&#39;re running a =
zinc additive I don&#39;t think you&#39;d need to also use racing oil.=C2=
=A0 I&#39;m just too lazy to mess with it.=C2=A0 And too, I have to top off=
 the oil with fair frequency and don&#39;t want to have to track the diluti=
on factor by adding zinc everytime.=C2=A0 <br></p></div><div><blockquote ty=
pe=3D"cite">On September 9, 2018 at 7:56 AM Paul Dorsey &lt; <a href=3D"mai=
lto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"noopener" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
om</a>&gt; wrote: <br> <br><div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0Why do you think th=
e synthetic =C2=A0oil =C2=A0might have done that? I ordered some ZDVP from =
Moss, So I guess Valvoline racing one might be overkill for me. Can you hav=
e too much zinc?</div></div><div><br><div class=3D"m_8478195670273029513ox-=
0f7987c59a-m_3122730354673180787ox-9a6985d4be-gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr"=
>On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 7:46 AM TERRY SMITH &lt; <a href=3D"mailto:terryrs@=
comcast.net" rel=3D"noopener" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
 wrote: <br></div><blockquote>Just my experience, but on my last engine reb=
uild, my lifters were toast, having traded much metal with the cam lobes.=
=C2=A0 I&#39;d run exclusively Valvoline synthetic, an otherwise fine oil e=
xcept for the zinc content.=C2=A0 Now I&#39;m running Valvoline 20-50 racin=
g oil.=C2=A0 So far no problems, but we&#39;ll know for sure at the next te=
ar down. <br> <br> Terry Smith, &#39;59 TR3A <br> New Hampshire <br> <br> &=
gt; On September 5, 2018 at 1:59 PM Randall &lt; <a href=3D"mailto:tr3drive=
[email-masked]" rel=3D"noopener" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
 wrote: <br> &gt; <br> &gt; <br> &gt; <br> &gt; &gt; I&#39;ve been told tha=
t Valvoline Racing oil has zinc in it.=C2=A0 <br> &gt; &gt; It&#39;s odd th=
at the newer cars don&#39;t require it.=C2=A0 In fact, why <br> &gt; &gt; i=
s it important? <br> &gt; <br> &gt; Lots of opinions, here are mine: <br> &=
gt; <br> &gt; In a nutshell, it helps protect critical surfaces (like cam l=
obes and <br> &gt; lifters) in case the oil film breaks down (gets rubbed a=
way by the relative <br> &gt; motion of parts). <br> &gt; <br> &gt; The TR =
camshaft (along with many other performance cars) is actually pretty <br> &=
gt; aggressive in terms of force developed between the camshaft lobe and li=
fter <br> &gt; during high rpm engine operation. <br> &gt; <br> &gt; Newer =
engines either use roller lifters (to eliminate the rubbing between <br> &g=
t; lobe and lifter) or less aggressive camshafts (that are less likely to r=
ub <br> &gt; away the oil film). <br> &gt; <br> &gt; Honestly, I&#39;m not =
absolutely convinced that the TR motor needs the extra <br> &gt; ZDDP.=C2=
=A0 But it seems clear that many older engines do (even those not <br> &gt;=
 particularly high performance by today&#39;s standards); and it hardly see=
ms <br> &gt; worth taking a chance by using a lower ZDDP oil.=C2=A0 (AFAIK,=
 all modern motor <br> &gt; oils still contain some ZDDP, they just have lo=
wer amounts.=C2=A0 The oil <br> &gt; industry has been searching for a suit=
able substitute, but I haven&#39;t heard <br> &gt; of them finding one yet.=
) <br> &gt; <br> &gt; -- Randall=C2=A0 <br> &gt; <br> &gt; ** <a href=3D"ma=
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From: Darrell Walker <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 07:03:27 -0700

Hi Paul,

Was the engine run at all after the rebuild?  In particular, was the cam break-in done (assuming a new cam was part of the rebuild)?

The instructions for the last cam I broke in was non-detergent 30wt with ZDDP additive.  I’m usually in the camp of use an oil with the ZDDP already in it, but that’s what the cam manufacturer wanted, so that’s what I used.

-Darrell

> On Sep 3, 2018, at 7:20 AM, Paul Dorsey <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> It's been about 10-20 years since I've run my Triumph and I did so after the engine had just been rebuilt.  I know it makes people cringe, but that's just the way it is.
> Im hoping to start it today.  There's no oil in it and I'm about ready to go to Autozone for some more.  ISTO REmember that a good grade of 20w50 is probly what I want to aim for,but, I wonder if 10w30 might be better for a dry engine.  If you want me to start with a thinner oil and after 10 minutes of run time, change out to 20w50 I can do that to.  Maybe a cdhange of oil filter is advisable too.
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From: Paul Dorsey <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 12:43:19 -0400

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 Yes, Dan June was run about  A total of six hours since Being rebuilt. How
often do you change the oil filter?

On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 10:03 AM Darrell Walker <[email-masked]> wrote=
:

>
> Hi Paul,
>
> Was the engine run at all after the rebuild?  In particular, was the cam
> break-in done (assuming a new cam was part of the rebuild)?
>
> The instructions for the last cam I broke in was non-detergent 30wt with
> ZDDP additive.  I=E2=80=99m usually in the camp of use an oil with the ZD=
DP already
> in it, but that=E2=80=99s what the cam manufacturer wanted, so that=E2=80=
=99s what I used.
> > It's been about 10-20 years since I've run my Triumph and I did so afte=
r
> the engine had just been rebuilt.  I know it makes people cringe, but
> that's just the way it is.
> > Im hoping to start it today.  There's no oil in it and I'm about ready
> to go to Autozone for some more.  ISTO REmember that a good grade of 20w5=
0
> is probly what I want to aim for,but, I wonder if 10w30 might be better f=
or
> a dry engine.  If you want me to start with a thinner oil and after 10
> minutes of run time, change out to 20w50 I can do that to.  Maybe a cdhan=
ge
> of oil filter is advisable too.
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/[email-masked]
>
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<div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0Yes, Dan June was run about =C2=A0A total of s=
ix hours since Being rebuilt. How often do you change the oil filter?</div>=
</div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Mon, Sep 10, =
2018 at 10:03 AM Darrell Walker &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">=
<br>
Hi Paul,<br>
<br>
Was the engine run at all after the rebuild?=C2=A0 In particular, was the c=
am break-in done (assuming a new cam was part of the rebuild)?<br>
<br>
The instructions for the last cam I broke in was non-detergent 30wt with ZD=
DP additive.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m usually in the camp of use an oil with the Z=
DDP already in it, but that=E2=80=99s what the cam manufacturer wanted, so =
that=E2=80=99s what I used.<br>
<br>
-Darrell<br>
<br>
&gt; On Sep 3, 2018, at 7:20 AM, Paul Dorsey &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dorpaul1=
@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; It&#39;s been about 10-20 years since I&#39;ve run my Triumph and I di=
d so after the engine had just been rebuilt.=C2=A0 I know it makes people c=
ringe, but that&#39;s just the way it is.<br>
&gt; Im hoping to start it today.=C2=A0 There&#39;s no oil in it and I&#39;=
m about ready to go to Autozone for some more.=C2=A0 ISTO REmember that a g=
ood grade of 20w50 is probly what I want to aim for,but, I wonder if 10w30 =
might be better for a dry engine.=C2=A0 If you want me to start with a thin=
ner oil and after 10 minutes of run time, change out to 20w50 I can do that=
 to.=C2=A0 Maybe a cdhange of oil filter is advisable too.<br>
&gt; ** <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">triump=
[email-masked]</a> **<br>
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From: Paul Dorsey <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 15:11:33 -0400

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I see my Iphone voice recognition changed my first sentence even after I
had corrected it!

On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 12:43 PM Paul Dorsey <[email-masked]> wrote:

>  Yes, Dan June was run about  A total of six hours since Being rebuilt.
> How often do you change the oil filter?
>
> On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 10:03 AM Darrell Walker <[email-masked]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Paul,
>>
>> ZDDP additive.  I=E2=80=99m usually in the camp of use an oil with the Z=
DDP already
>> in it, but that=E2=80=99s what the cam manufacturer wanted, so that=E2=
=80=99s what I used.
>> > It's been about 10-20 years since I've run my Triumph and I did so
>> after the engine had just been rebuilt.  I know it makes people cringe, =
but
>> to go to Autozone for some more.  ISTO REmember that a good grade of 20w=
50
>> is probly what I want to aim for,but, I wonder if 10w30 might be better =
for
>> minutes of run time, change out to 20w50 I can do that to.  Maybe a cdha=
nge
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/[email-masked]

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<div dir=3D"ltr">I see my Iphone voice recognition changed my first sentenc=
e even after I had corrected it!</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 12:43 PM Paul Dorsey &lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquo=
te class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc so=
lid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0Yes, Dan June was run ab=
out =C2=A0A total of six hours since Being rebuilt. How often do you change=
 the oil filter?</div></div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D=
"ltr">On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 10:03 AM Darrell Walker &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<=
br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;borde=
r-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
Hi Paul,<br>
<br>
Was the engine run at all after the rebuild?=C2=A0 In particular, was the c=
am break-in done (assuming a new cam was part of the rebuild)?<br>
<br>
The instructions for the last cam I broke in was non-detergent 30wt with ZD=
DP additive.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m usually in the camp of use an oil with the Z=
DDP already in it, but that=E2=80=99s what the cam manufacturer wanted, so =
that=E2=80=99s what I used.<br>
<br>
-Darrell<br>
<br>
&gt; On Sep 3, 2018, at 7:20 AM, Paul Dorsey &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dorpaul1=
@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; It&#39;s been about 10-20 years since I&#39;ve run my Triumph and I di=
d so after the engine had just been rebuilt.=C2=A0 I know it makes people c=
ringe, but that&#39;s just the way it is.<br>
&gt; Im hoping to start it today.=C2=A0 There&#39;s no oil in it and I&#39;=
m about ready to go to Autozone for some more.=C2=A0 ISTO REmember that a g=
ood grade of 20w50 is probly what I want to aim for,but, I wonder if 10w30 =
might be better for a dry engine.=C2=A0 If you want me to start with a thin=
ner oil and after 10 minutes of run time, change out to 20w50 I can do that=
 to.=C2=A0 Maybe a cdhange of oil filter is advisable too.<br>
&gt; ** <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">triump=
[email-masked]</a> **<br>
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From: Darrell Walker <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 12:14:10 -0700

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Gotta love spell check!

I change my oil filter any time I change the oil.

-Darrell

> On Sep 10, 2018, at 12:11 PM, Paul Dorsey <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> I see my Iphone voice recognition changed my first sentence even after =
I had corrected it!
>=20
> On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 12:43 PM Paul Dorsey <[email-masked] =
>  Yes, Dan June was run about  A total of six hours since Being =
rebuilt. How often do you change the oil filter?
>=20
> On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 10:03 AM Darrell Walker <[email-masked] =
>=20
> Hi Paul,
>=20
> Was the engine run at all after the rebuild?  In particular, was the =
cam break-in done (assuming a new cam was part of the rebuild)?
>=20
> The instructions for the last cam I broke in was non-detergent 30wt =
with ZDDP additive.  I=E2=80=99m usually in the camp of use an oil with =
the ZDDP already in it, but that=E2=80=99s what the cam manufacturer =
wanted, so that=E2=80=99s what I used.
>=20
> -Darrell
>=20
> > On Sep 3, 2018, at 7:20 AM, Paul Dorsey <[email-masked] =
> >=20
> > It's been about 10-20 years since I've run my Triumph and I did so =
after the engine had just been rebuilt.  I know it makes people cringe, =
but that's just the way it is.
> > Im hoping to start it today.  There's no oil in it and I'm about =
ready to go to Autozone for some more.  ISTO REmember that a good grade =
of 20w50 is probly what I want to aim for,but, I wonder if 10w30 might =
be better for a dry engine.  If you want me to start with a thinner oil =
and after 10 minutes of run time, change out to 20w50 I can do that to.  =
Maybe a cdhange of oil filter is advisable too.
> >=20
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>Gotta love spell check!<div class=3D""><br=
 class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I change my oil filter any time I =
change the oil.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">-Darrell<br class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Sep 10, 2018, at 12:11 PM, =
Paul Dorsey &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"">I see my Iphone voice recognition changed my first sentence =
even after I had corrected it!</div><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 =
at 12:43 PM Paul Dorsey &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D""><div =
dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">&nbsp;Yes, Dan June was run about &nbsp;A total =
of six hours since Being rebuilt. How often do you change the oil =
filter?</div></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 =
at 10:03 AM Darrell Walker &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br class=3D"">
Hi Paul,<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
Was the engine run at all after the rebuild?&nbsp; In particular, was =
the cam break-in done (assuming a new cam was part of the rebuild)?<br =
class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
The instructions for the last cam I broke in was non-detergent 30wt with =
ZDDP additive.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99m usually in the camp of use an oil with =
the ZDDP already in it, but that=E2=80=99s what the cam manufacturer =
wanted, so that=E2=80=99s what I used.<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
-Darrell<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
&gt; On Sep 3, 2018, at 7:20 AM, Paul Dorsey &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br class=3D"">
&gt; <br class=3D"">
&gt; It's been about 10-20 years since I've run my Triumph and I did so =
after the engine had just been rebuilt.&nbsp; I know it makes people =
cringe, but that's just the way it is.<br class=3D"">
&gt; Im hoping to start it today.&nbsp; There's no oil in it and I'm =
about ready to go to Autozone for some more.&nbsp; ISTO REmember that a =
good grade of 20w50 is probly what I want to aim for,but, I wonder if =
10w30 might be better for a dry engine.&nbsp; If you want me to start =
with a thinner oil and after 10 minutes of run time, change out to 20w50 =
I can do that to.&nbsp; Maybe a cdhange of oil filter is advisable =
too.<br class=3D"">
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From: Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 08:19:33 -0400

> I change my oil filter any time I change the oil.

Remember, oil filters are cheap compared to the cost of a new motor.

-- Jeff