Subject: Re: [TR] IS THERE ANY SPOT ON THE ENGINE'S ROTATION WHERE THE TAPPET FALLING OUT...

From: Rye Livingston <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 19:42:19 -0700

It won’t fall into the engine it will just become dislodged from it’s appropriate spot. I had this happen to me and with a long screwdriver and a flashlight I was able to manipulate it back into its proper spot but it was not easy. Since then I have taken some pushrods out and just been very careful to get a feel if it’s pulling the tappet up out of its spot in the block.

Someone will probably have a better strategy for you to work that push rod out of the tappet.

Good luck

Rye

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> On Sep 21, 2018, at 6:17 PM, Paul Dorsey <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> Thank you everyone, I have found there is no such thing as cheap oil, but that is proably not my biggest issue at this point.  I had this tr 3-4 engine running 5 or 10 years ago when I realized I didn't have enough time for this project and threw in the towel.  At that point it had recently been rebuilt by a well respected engine shop locally.  Unfortunately, I didn't even periodically turn over the engine while it was in the TR3 outside under tarps. I had run it in-place for a total of about 5 hours (varying the rpm's) after rebuild at this point.  And it seemed to run good.
>      Now that I am back to continue the rebuild I notice that  one of the pushrods for cylinder No. 2 has seriously come out from underneath it's rocker arm.  I previously sent out a picture showing this problem, (if anyone else cares to see it, I can resend it.)  I don't know how this happened but I am back to turning the engine over manually in order to fix this pushrod problem
>   Several of you told me there might be a danger in simply removing this pushrod as it may create a kinda "suction" effect, and if I am not careful when removing it, it may 'pull' up it's tappet riding on the cam causing it to fall into the engine.  However,  I do need to pull out the pushrod to make sure it's not bent.  IS THERE ANY SPOT ON THE ENGINE'S ROTATION WHERE THE TAPPET FALLING OUT IS LESS LIKELY TO OCCUR?
> 
> thanks,
> Paul Dorsey  (hardly a shade tree mechanic)  
> 60 TR3
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From: "Randall" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 06:26:25 -0400

>   Several of you told me there might be a danger in simply 
> removing this pushrod as it may create a kinda "suction" 
> effect, and if I am not careful when removing it, it may 
> 'pull' up it's tappet riding on the cam causing it to fall 
> into the engine.  However,  I do need to pull out the pushrod 
> to make sure it's not bent.  IS THERE ANY SPOT ON THE 
> ENGINE'S ROTATION WHERE THE TAPPET FALLING OUT IS LESS LIKELY 
> TO OCCUR?

The tappet won't fall "into the engine", it remains right there in the open
space above the bore where it belongs.  Not a calamity, it just means you
have to remove the head in order to put the tappet back in place.

It's slightly less likely to pull out if you turn the engine so the tappet
is at it's lowest point of travel (where the valve would be fully closed).
You can get this by turning the crankshaft until both valves are open on the
opposite cylinder (in the firing order).  (If the rocker shaft is off, rest
a finger on top of each of the opposite cylinder pushrods, so you can feel
when they are both moving. The tappet/pushrod combo may or may not fall down
of it's own weight, light finger pressure will ensure they go down.)

But the lifter can still pull up, so you still need to lift the pushrod a
small amount and spin it until the bottom comes free.  When it's free, the
bottom will move around slightly and rattle against the sides of the lifter;
that means it's safe to pull it out.  The difference in weight is also very
noticeable, but I don't supposed you have a spare pushrod to compare it
with.

-- Randall

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From: Paul Dorsey <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 08:57:58 -0400

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 I think   I am in over my head so to speak, and that may be a simple task
but I  don=E2=80=99t want  To foul up my engine rebuild.    Rather then put=
 my
untrained  finger  on the valve  train, can I just pop off the distributor
cap and see if it=E2=80=99s pointing At number two  to see if it is at its =
lowest
point of travel?

On Sat, Sep 22, 2018 at 6:26 AM Randall <[email-masked]> wrote:

> The tappet won't fall "into the engine", it remains right there in the op=
en
> It's slightly less likely to pull out if you turn the engine so the tappe=
t
> is at it's lowest point of travel (where the valve would be fully closed)=
.
> opposite cylinder (in the firing order).  (If the rocker shaft is off, re=
st
> a finger on top of each of the opposite cylinder pushrods, so you can fee=
l
> small amount and spin it until the bottom comes free.  When it's free, th=
e
> that means it's safe to pull it out.  The difference in weight is also ve=
ry
> noticeable, but I don't supposed you have a spare pushrod to compare it

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<div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0I think =C2=A0 I am in over my head so to spea=
k, and that may be a simple task but I =C2=A0don=E2=80=99t want =C2=A0To fo=
ul up my engine rebuild. =C2=A0 =C2=A0Rather then put my untrained =C2=A0fi=
nger =C2=A0on the valve =C2=A0train, can I just pop off the distributor cap=
 and see if it=E2=80=99s pointing At number two =C2=A0to see if it is at it=
s lowest point of travel?=C2=A0</div></div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Sat, Sep 22, 2018 at 6:26 AM Randall &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><b=
lockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px =
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0Several of you told me there =
might be a danger in simply <br>
&gt; removing this pushrod as it may create a kinda &quot;suction&quot; <br=
&gt; effect, and if I am not careful when removing it, it may <br>
&gt; &#39;pull&#39; up it&#39;s tappet riding on the cam causing it to fall=
 <br>
&gt; into the engine.=C2=A0 However,=C2=A0 I do need to pull out the pushro=
d <br>
&gt; to make sure it&#39;s not bent.=C2=A0 IS THERE ANY SPOT ON THE <br>
&gt; ENGINE&#39;S ROTATION WHERE THE TAPPET FALLING OUT IS LESS LIKELY <br>
&gt; TO OCCUR?<br>
<br>
The tappet won&#39;t fall &quot;into the engine&quot;, it remains right the=
re in the open<br>
space above the bore where it belongs.=C2=A0 Not a calamity, it just means =
you<br>
have to remove the head in order to put the tappet back in place.<br>
<br>
It&#39;s slightly less likely to pull out if you turn the engine so the tap=
pet<br>
is at it&#39;s lowest point of travel (where the valve would be fully close=
d).<br>
You can get this by turning the crankshaft until both valves are open on th=
e<br>
opposite cylinder (in the firing order).=C2=A0 (If the rocker shaft is off,=
 rest<br>
a finger on top of each of the opposite cylinder pushrods, so you can feel<=
br>
when they are both moving. The tappet/pushrod combo may or may not fall dow=
n<br>
of it&#39;s own weight, light finger pressure will ensure they go down.)<br=
<br>
But the lifter can still pull up, so you still need to lift the pushrod a<b=
r>
small amount and spin it until the bottom comes free.=C2=A0 When it&#39;s f=
ree, the<br>
bottom will move around slightly and rattle against the sides of the lifter=
;<br>
that means it&#39;s safe to pull it out.=C2=A0 The difference in weight is =
also very<br>
noticeable, but I don&#39;t supposed you have a spare pushrod to compare it=
<br>
with.<br>
<br>
-- Randall=C2=A0 <br>
<br>
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From: "Randall" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 13:57:29 -0400

> rebuild.    Rather then put my untrained  finger  on the 
> valve  train, can I just pop off the distributor cap and see 
> if it's pointing At number two  to see if it is at its lowest 
> point of travel? 

Yeah, that should work.

-- Randall

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From: Frank Fisher <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 21:10:45 +0000 (UTC)

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 Paulwhere do you live?if i recall your in the south. Georgia maybe?im sure=
 there will be a triumph club close by. most guys will give up an hour to l=
ook at your motor for the cost of a couple beers.well you will have to join=
 the club also. but the camaraderie of the club will pay dividends 10 fold,=
 and you'll make some great new friends.
frank

    On Saturday, September 22, 2018, 6:31:21 AM PDT, Paul Dorsey <dorpaul1@=
gmail.com> wrote: =20
=20
 =C2=A0I think =C2=A0 I am in over my head so to speak, and that may be a s=
imple task but I =C2=A0don=E2=80=99t want =C2=A0To foul up my engine rebuil=
d. =C2=A0 =C2=A0Rather then put my untrained =C2=A0finger =C2=A0on the valv=
e =C2=A0train, can I just pop off the distributor cap and see if it=E2=80=
=99s pointing At number two =C2=A0to see if it is at its lowest point of tr=
avel?=C2=A0
On Sat, Sep 22, 2018 at 6:26 AM Randall <[email-masked]> wrote:

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0Several of you told me there might be a danger in simply=20
> removing this pushrod as it may create a kinda "suction"=20
> effect, and if I am not careful when removing it, it may=20
> 'pull' up it's tappet riding on the cam causing it to fall=20
> into the engine.=C2=A0 However,=C2=A0 I do need to pull out the pushrod=
=20
> to make sure it's not bent.=C2=A0 IS THERE ANY SPOT ON THE=20
> ENGINE'S ROTATION WHERE THE TAPPET FALLING OUT IS LESS LIKELY=20
> TO OCCUR?

you

 rest
n

But the lifter can still pull up, so you still need to lift the pushrod a
small amount and spin it until the bottom comes free.=C2=A0 When it's free,=
 the
bottom will move around slightly and rattle against the sides of the lifter=
;
that means it's safe to pull it out.=C2=A0 The difference in weight is also=
 very
noticeable, but I don't supposed you have a spare pushrod to compare it
with.

-- Randall=C2=A0=20

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