Subject: [TR] out of the box

From: John Summers <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 02:26:10 +0000 (UTC)

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I gather from many replies concerning my TR6s inability to go in gear=C2=A0=
that the transmission has to come out for the clutch fork or pins tobe repl=
aced.Never being a person to exercise sound judgement OR mechanicalskill, I=
'm considering making an apparatus to put over the car to hoistsaid transmi=
ssion from the car. =C2=A0I have the Bentley service manual andof course it=
 seems to simplify the process. Out/In voila, all fixed.Friends, this comes=
 from a 67 year old guy who took two monthsto R&R the clutch MC and slave c=
ylinders and a week to get them bled.ONLY to find the darned thing wouldn't=
 go into gear. =C2=A0That wiped outtop down journeys last spring and summer=
. =C2=A0I have seen plans anda video or two on building your own hoist. =C2=
=A0Not soon though,we only have $3.00 in our bank account to live until Wed=
nesday:))BUT, there IS a dumpster down the street full of lumber. =C2=A0Wis=
h me luck!!
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>I gather from many replies concerning my TR6s inability to go in gear&nbsp=
;</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473473220186_6409" dir=3D"ltr">that th=
e transmission has to come out for the clutch fork or pins to</div><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473473220186_6409" dir=3D"ltr">be replaced.</div><di=
v id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473473220186_6409" dir=3D"ltr">Never being a per=
son to exercise sound judgement OR mechanical</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym=
19_1_1473473220186_6409" dir=3D"ltr">skill, I'm considering making an appar=
atus to put over the car to hoist</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473473=
220186_6409" dir=3D"ltr">said transmission from the car. &nbsp;I have the B=
entley service manual and</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473473220186_6=
409" dir=3D"ltr">of course it seems to simplify the process. Out/In voila, =
all fixed.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473473220186_6409" dir=3D"ltr=
">Friends, this comes from a 67 year old guy who took two months</div><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473473220186_6409" dir=3D"ltr">to R&amp;R the clut=
ch MC and slave cylinders and a week to get them bled.</div><div id=3D"yui_=
3_16_0_ym19_1_1473473220186_6409" dir=3D"ltr">ONLY to find the darned thing=
 wouldn't go into gear. &nbsp;That wiped out</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym1=
9_1_1473473220186_6409" dir=3D"ltr">top down journeys last spring and summe=
r. &nbsp;I have seen plans and</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473473220=
186_6409" dir=3D"ltr">a video or two on building your own hoist. &nbsp;Not =
soon though,</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473473220186_6409" dir=3D"l=
tr">we only have $3.00 in our bank account to live until Wednesday:))</div>=
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473473220186_6409" dir=3D"ltr">BUT, there IS =
a dumpster down the street full of lumber. &nbsp;Wish me luck!!</div></div>=
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Don't you have a freind or a club nearby that can help?

George Richardson
Key Men - Keys for Classics
www.key-men.com

1957 Triumph TR3
1961 Jaguar Mark 2
1975 Triumph TR6
1997 Land Rover Discovery

On 9/9/2016 10:26 PM, John Summers wrote:
> I gather from many replies concerning my TR6s inability to go in gear
> that the transmission has to come out for the clutch fork or pins to
> be replaced.
> Never being a person to exercise sound judgement OR mechanical
> skill, I'm considering making an apparatus to put over the car to hoist
> said transmission from the car.  I have the Bentley service manual and
> of course it seems to simplify the process. Out/In voila, all fixed.
> Friends, this comes from a 67 year old guy who took two months
> to R&R the clutch MC and slave cylinders and a week to get them bled.
> ONLY to find the darned thing wouldn't go into gear.  That wiped out
> top down journeys last spring and summer.  I have seen plans and
> a video or two on building your own hoist.  Not soon though,
> we only have $3.00 in our bank account to live until Wednesday:))
> BUT, there IS a dumpster down the street full of lumber.  Wish me luck!!
>
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    <p>Don't you have a freind or a club nearby that can help?<br>
    </p>
    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">George Richardson
Key Men - Keys for Classics
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.key-men.com">www.key-men.com</a>

1957 Triumph TR3
1961 Jaguar Mark 2
1975 Triumph TR6
1997 Land Rover Discovery</pre>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/9/2016 10:26 PM, John Summers
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote cite="mid:[email-masked]"
      type="cite">
      <div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff;
        font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial,
        Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px">
        <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473473220186_6409">I gather from
          many replies concerning my TR6s inability to go in gear </div>
        <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473473220186_6409" dir="ltr">that
          the transmission has to come out for the clutch fork or pins
          to</div>
        <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473473220186_6409" dir="ltr">be
          replaced.</div>
        <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473473220186_6409" dir="ltr">Never
          being a person to exercise sound judgement OR mechanical</div>
        <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473473220186_6409" dir="ltr">skill,
          I'm considering making an apparatus to put over the car to
          hoist</div>
        <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473473220186_6409" dir="ltr">said
          transmission from the car.  I have the Bentley service manual
          and</div>
        <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473473220186_6409" dir="ltr">of
          course it seems to simplify the process. Out/In voila, all
          fixed.</div>
        <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473473220186_6409" dir="ltr">Friends,
          this comes from a 67 year old guy who took two months</div>
        <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473473220186_6409" dir="ltr">to
          R&amp;R the clutch MC and slave cylinders and a week to get
          them bled.</div>
        <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473473220186_6409" dir="ltr">ONLY to
          find the darned thing wouldn't go into gear.  That wiped out</div>
        <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473473220186_6409" dir="ltr">top
          down journeys last spring and summer.  I have seen plans and</div>
        <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473473220186_6409" dir="ltr">a video
          or two on building your own hoist.  Not soon though,</div>
        <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473473220186_6409" dir="ltr">we only
          have $3.00 in our bank account to live until Wednesday:))</div>
        <div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473473220186_6409" dir="ltr">BUT,
          there IS a dumpster down the street full of lumber.  Wish me
          luck!!</div>
      </div>
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From: Geo Hahn <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2016 07:14:50 -0700

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I recall seeing photos of a hoist someone made to R&R the gearbox.  The
tricky bit was dealing with the center of gravity which is well forward of
the scuttle - required an arrangement of multiple bars and chains as I
recall.

Looks like a lot of work to me but an elegant solution nonetheless.

Geo

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>I recall seeing photos of a hoist someone made to R&a=
mp;R the gearbox.=C2=A0 The tricky bit was dealing with the center of gravi=
ty which is well forward of the scuttle - required an arrangement of multip=
le bars and chains as I recall.</div><div><br></div><div>Looks like a lot o=
f work to me but an elegant solution nonetheless.</div><div><br></div><div>=
Geo</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On=
 Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 7:26 PM, John Summers <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a=
>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 =
0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style=3D"co=
lor:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Luc=
ida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><di=
v>I gather from many replies concerning my TR6s inability to go in gear=C2=
=A0</div><div dir=3D"ltr">that the transmission has to come out for the clu=
tch fork or pins to</div><div dir=3D"ltr">be replaced.</div><div dir=3D"ltr=
">Never being a person to exercise sound judgement OR mechanical</div><div =
dir=3D"ltr">skill, I&#39;m considering making an apparatus to put over the =
car to hoist</div><div dir=3D"ltr">said transmission from the car.=C2=A0 I =
have the Bentley service manual and</div><div dir=3D"ltr">of course it seem=
s to simplify the process. Out/In voila, all fixed.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">F=
riends, this comes from a 67 year old guy who took two months</div><div dir=
=3D"ltr">to R&amp;R the clutch MC and slave cylinders and a week to get the=
m bled.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">ONLY to find the darned thing wouldn&#39;t go=
 into gear.=C2=A0 That wiped out</div><div dir=3D"ltr">top down journeys la=
st spring and summer.=C2=A0 I have seen plans and</div><div dir=3D"ltr">a v=
ideo or two on building your own hoist.=C2=A0 Not soon though,</div><div di=
r=3D"ltr">we only have $3.00 in our bank account to live until Wednesday:))=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr">BUT, there IS a dumpster down the street full of lum=
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From: Chris Simo <[email-masked]>
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I'm not sure how one would use a hoist to remove the transmission. I have
an engine hoist but never thought to try it

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<p dir="ltr">I&#39;m not sure how one would use a hoist to remove the transmission. I have an engine hoist but never thought to try it</p>

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While I don't discount a well made hoist, I'd vote for the &quot;enlist a
friend or two&quot; approach.&nbsp; A reasonably strong dude can lift the
tranny out.&nbsp; Putting it back it helps to have someone laying under
the car helping to guide the front of the tranny as well as someone
inside the car.<br><br>
Have done it at the track in a TR4 a few times.&nbsp; Not the most fun
job, but very doable with two reasonably strong people.<br><br>
Regards, Tony<br><br>
At 09:14 AM 9/10/2016, Geo Hahn wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite=3D"">I recall seeing photos of a
hoist someone made to R&amp;R the gearbox.=C2&nbsp; The tricky bit was
dealing with the center of gravity which is well forward of the scuttle -
required an arrangement of multiple bars and chains as I recall.<br><br>
Looks like a lot of work to me but an elegant solution
nonetheless.<br><br>
Geo<br><br>
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&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>
&gt; wrote:<br>

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<dd>I gather from many replies concerning my TR6s inability to go in
gear=C2 <br>

<dd>that the transmission has to come out for the clutch fork or pins
to<br>

<dd>be replaced.<br>

<dd>Never being a person to exercise sound judgement OR mechanical<br>

<dd>skill, I'm considering making an apparatus to put over the car to
hoist<br>

<dd>said transmission from the car.=C2&nbsp; I have the Bentley service
manual and<br>

<dd>of course it seems to simplify the process. Out/In voila, all
fixed.<br>

<dd>Friends, this comes from a 67 year old guy who took two months<br>

<dd>to R&amp;R the clutch MC and slave cylinders and a week to get them
bled.<br>

<dd>ONLY to find the darned thing wouldn't go into gear.=C2&nbsp; That
wiped out<br>

<dd>top down journeys last spring and summer.=C2&nbsp; I have seen plans
and<br>

<dd>a video or two on building your own hoist.=C2&nbsp; Not soon
though,<br>

<dd>we only have $3.00 in our bank account to live until
Wednesday:))<br>

<dd>BUT, there IS a dumpster down the street full of lumber.=C2&nbsp; Wish
me luck!!<br><br>
<br>

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From: Chris Simo <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 08:07:56 -0400

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This sounds like a great job for a club tech session. Are you a member of a
local club?  If you need help finding one, I can try to help.

Cheers, Chris

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u a member of a local club?=C2=A0 If you need help finding one, I can try t=
o help.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Cheers, Chris<br></p>

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From: "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" <[email-masked]>
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Sadly, l remove and reinstall my OD tranny several times a race season.
>From below by myself.  Right forearm pushes it up. Part of secret is a 3"
bolt eith head removed that is srewed into the top hole in the engine
block. This serves as a hanger and a giude for replcement. To ease the
process in a race car I have tapped the aluminum backing plate to hold 6 of
the mounting bolts. I also did this to the high torque starter motor. Can
do a r and r in two hours or less.

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> This sounds like a great job for a club tech session. Are you a member of
> a local club?  If you need help finding one, I can try to help.
>
> Cheers, Chris
>
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<p dir=3D"ltr">Sadly, l remove and reinstall my OD tranny several times a r=
ace season. From below by myself.=C2=A0 Right forearm pushes it up. Part of=
 secret is a 3&quot; bolt eith head removed that is srewed into the top hol=
e in the engine block. This serves as a hanger and a giude for replcement. =
To ease the process in a race car I have tapped the aluminum backing plate =
to hold 6 of the mounting bolts. I also did this to the high torque starter=
 motor. Can do a r and r in two hours or less.</p>
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:40 AM, &quot;Chris Simo&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pa=
dding-left:1ex"><p dir=3D"ltr">This sounds like a great job for a club tech=
 session. Are you a member of a local club?=C2=A0 If you need help finding =
one, I can try to help.</p>
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From: Geo Hahn <[email-masked]>
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On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 10:13 AM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> ... Part of secret is a 3" bolt eith head removed that is srewed into the
> top hole in the engine block. This serves as a hanger and a giude for
> replcement...
>

Me too, like this:

It's really only a couple of minutes coming out and a but longer going in
that is the wrassling part - that is when a second person might be useful.
I have probably reached the age when doing this solo is no longer practical
(he admits).

Geo
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On S=
un, Sep 11, 2016 at 10:13 AM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">triosan=
@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204=
,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><p dir=3D"ltr">... Par=
t of secret is a 3&quot; bolt eith head removed that is srewed into the top=
 hole in the engine block. This serves as a hanger and a giude for replceme=
nt...<br></p></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Me too, like this:</div><div>=
<br></div><div><img width=3D"471" height=3D"314" src=3D"cid:ii_isyzj3an0_15=
71a9ea4833ae17"></div><div><br></div><div>It&#39;s really only a couple of =
minutes coming out and a but longer going in that is the wrassling part - t=
hat is when a second person might be useful.=C2=A0 I have probably reached =
the age when doing this solo is no longer practical (he admits).</div><div>=
<br></div><div>Geo<br>=E2=80=8B=C2=A0</div></div></div></div>

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