Subject: Re: [TR] New Alternator - Stag

From: "dave n" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2016 10:46:30 -0500

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the man speaks the truth

From: Dave=20
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 6:59 AM
To: [email-masked] ; [email-masked]=20
Subject: Re: [TR] New Alternator - Stag

Indeed.  Many years ago when I was working in HVAC I was trying to =
calculate air flow temperature changes based on a coil rated at some =
value (eg: 22 MBTU/Hr) and my calculations kept coming out way out of =
the realm of reality.  By a factor of 1000.  Then I realized that the =
"M" stood for Mille (1000 in Latin).  Remember the Mille Miglia is a =
race of 1000 miles, not 1,000,000 miles.  I think that by the end of a =
million mile race all the spectators will have gone home.

So when does "M" mean 1,000 and when does it mean 1,000,000?  The answer =
to that is the same as it is to most of life's questions: "It depends."  =
For example, how big is a barrel?  Answer: It depends.  A barrel of beer =
is 31 gallons.  In the US.  In Brittan it is 43 gallons (US).  But most =
fluid barrels are half a hogshead (31.5 US gallons).  And a barrel of =
oil is 42 US gallons.

Context is everything.

BTW, how much is a buttload?  Two hogsheads.  Look it up.

Dave Massey

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Porter <[email-masked]>
To: triumphs <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thu, Sep 8, 2016 2:30 am
Subject: Re: [TR] New Alternator - Stag

On 9/7/2016 6:45 AM, Chad wrote:
> K is for 000 M is for 000 000
>

Umm, not exactly. In the UK and some of the commonwealth countries, M=20
is traditionally and colloquially used for thousands, because it's=20
derived from the Latin numeral for one thousand. Kilo (or K) is the=20
prefix typically used in more recent scientific notation, taken from=20
Greek (and initially adopted by the French circa early 19th century as a =

means of standardization of measurement, on which the ISO gram-meter=20
system is based). It's also common in the UK to hear "thousand=20
million," rather than "billion," probably for the same reason--there=20
was no Latin equivalent for billion. In Latin numeracy, a million was=20
the largest denomination, and was represented by an 'M' with a bar over=20
it, the bar representing "times 1000."

That's roughly the etymology of it as I've been able to gather over the=20
years.

Cheers.

--=20

Michael Porter
Roswell, NM

Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking =
distance....

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is the=20
same as it is to most of life's questions: "It depends."&nbsp; For =
example, how=20
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gallons.&nbsp; In the US.&nbsp; In Brittan it is 43 gallons (US).&nbsp; =
But most=20
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Re: [TR] New Alternator - Stag<BR><BR>On 9/7/2016 6:45 AM, Chad =
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is for 000 M is for 000 000<BR>&gt;<BR><BR>Umm, not exactly. In the UK =
and some=20
of the commonwealth countries, M <BR>is traditionally and colloquially =
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thousands, because it's <BR>derived from the Latin numeral for one =
thousand.=20
Kilo (or K) is the <BR>prefix typically used in more recent scientific =
notation,=20
taken from <BR>Greek (and initially adopted by the French circa early =
19th=20
century as a <BR>means of standardization of measurement, on which the =
ISO=20
gram-meter <BR>system is based). It's also common in the UK to hear =
"thousand=20
<BR>million," rather than "billion," probably for the same reason--there =
<BR>was=20
no Latin equivalent for billion. In Latin numeracy, a million was =
<BR>the=20
largest denomination, and was represented by an 'M' with a bar over =
<BR>it, the=20
bar representing "times 1000."<BR><BR>That's roughly the etymology of it =
as I've=20
been able to gather over the <BR>years.<BR><BR><BR>Cheers.<BR><BR>--=20
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From: Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2016 12:40:48 -0400

On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 7:59 AM, Dave <[email-masked]> wrote:
> Indeed.  Many years ago when I was working in HVAC I was trying to calculate
> air flow temperature changes based on a coil rated at some value (eg: 22
> MBTU/Hr) and my calculations kept coming out way out of the realm of
> reality.  By a factor of 1000.  Then I realized that the "M" stood for Mille
> (1000 in Latin).

I ran into this recently while applying for an incinerator permit.  I
finally called the regulating agency to clarify what they were asking
for when they specified MBTUs.  And yes, they used M for thousands.
That's the only place I've ever seen it used, though.

Jeff Scarbrough
Corrosion Acres, Ga.