Subject: Re: [TR] New Alternator - Stag

From: Brad Kahler <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 15:02:16 -0400

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I'd whine too if I was turning at 3M rpms!

On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Lee&John Howard <[email-masked]> wrote:

> I just swapped in an new Delco style 71273 unit. It fits easily on the LH
> side and actually provides more belt adjustment room. Two problems, however:
>
> 1. I don't have the insulating plug so my wire connectors go directly to
> the blades on the unit. I've used #10 wire, which worked fine on the old
> Lucas 18ACR. Now, however, that wire gets very hot, and think it might be
> good idea to put a fuse in that run, which goes directly from alternator to
> starter. I suppose the higher amperage requires a heavier wire.
>
> 2. The new unit makes a loud  unacceptable whistle when running up to 3M
> RPMs or so. I've tired different belt tensions to no effect.  Can I expect
> this to dissipate with usage?
>
> Any thoughts greatly appreciated.
>
> John Howard
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I&#39;d whine too if I was turning at 3M rpms!<div><br></d=
iv></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, =
Sep 6, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Lee&amp;John Howard <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .=
8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div=
><div><div>I just swapped in an new Delco style 71273 unit. It fits easily =
on the LH side and actually provides more belt adjustment room. Two problem=
s, however:<br><br></div>1. I don&#39;t have the insulating plug so my wire=
 connectors go directly to the blades on the unit. I&#39;ve used #10 wire, =
which worked fine on the old Lucas 18ACR. Now, however, that wire gets very=
 hot, and think it might be good idea to put a fuse in that run, which goes=
 directly from alternator to starter. I suppose the higher amperage require=
s a heavier wire. <br><br></div>2. The new unit makes a loud=C2=A0 unaccept=
able whistle when running up to 3M RPMs or so. I&#39;ve tired different bel=
t tensions to no effect.=C2=A0 Can I expect this to dissipate with usage? <=
br><br></div>Any thoughts greatly appreciated.<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font =
color=3D"#888888"><br><br></font></span></div><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font =
color=3D"#888888">John Howard<br><div><div><div><div><br></div></div></div>=
</div></font></span></div>
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From: "Lee&John Howard" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 12:50:36 -0700

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Doesn't M stand for 000?

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Doesn&#39;t M stand for 000? <br></div><div class=3D"gmail=
_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 12:02 PM, Bra=
d Kahler <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">I&#39;d whine too if I was turning at 3M rpm=
s!<div><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_q=
uote"><div><div class=3D"h5">On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Lee&amp;John =
Howard <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockq=
uote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc =
solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class=3D"h5"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><=
div><div>I just swapped in an new Delco style 71273 unit. It fits easily on=
 the LH side and actually provides more belt adjustment room. Two problems,=
 however:<br><br></div>1. I don&#39;t have the insulating plug so my wire c=
onnectors go directly to the blades on the unit. I&#39;ve used #10 wire, wh=
ich worked fine on the old Lucas 18ACR. Now, however, that wire gets very h=
ot, and think it might be good idea to put a fuse in that run, which goes d=
irectly from alternator to starter. I suppose the higher amperage requires =
a heavier wire. <br><br></div>2. The new unit makes a loud=C2=A0 unacceptab=
le whistle when running up to 3M RPMs or so. I&#39;ve tired different belt =
tensions to no effect.=C2=A0 Can I expect this to dissipate with usage? <br=
><br></div>Any thoughts greatly appreciated.<span><font color=3D"#888888"><=
br><br></font></span></div><span><font color=3D"#888888">John Howard<br><di=
v><div><div><div><br></div></div></div></div></font></span></div>
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From: Brad Kahler <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 16:53:32 -0400

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Could be. I've never seen it designated that way but then again there's a
whole lot of things I've never seen before!

On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Lee&John Howard <[email-masked]> wrote:

>>> I just swapped in an new Delco style 71273 unit. It fits easily on the
>>> LH side and actually provides more belt adjustment room. Two problems,
>>> however:
>>>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Could be. I&#39;ve never seen it designated that way but t=
hen again there&#39;s a whole lot of things I&#39;ve never seen before!<div=
><br></div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quot=
e">On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Lee&amp;John Howard <span dir=3D"ltr">&l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
m</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
n:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">=
Doesn&#39;t M stand for 000? <br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 12:02 PM, Brad Kahler <span di=
r=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">bkahl=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" st=
yle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div =
dir=3D"ltr">I&#39;d whine too if I was turning at 3M rpms!<div><br></div></=
div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><div>On =
Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Lee&amp;John Howard <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>=
&gt;</span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div>I just swapped in an new Delco style=
 71273 unit. It fits easily on the LH side and actually provides more belt =
adjustment room. Two problems, however:<br><br></div>1. I don&#39;t have th=
e insulating plug so my wire connectors go directly to the blades on the un=
it. I&#39;ve used #10 wire, which worked fine on the old Lucas 18ACR. Now, =
however, that wire gets very hot, and think it might be good idea to put a =
fuse in that run, which goes directly from alternator to starter. I suppose=
 the higher amperage requires a heavier wire. <br><br></div>2. The new unit=
 makes a loud=C2=A0 unacceptable whistle when running up to 3M RPMs or so. =
I&#39;ve tired different belt tensions to no effect.=C2=A0 Can I expect thi=
s to dissipate with usage? <br><br></div>Any thoughts greatly appreciated.<=
span><font color=3D"#888888"><br><br></font></span></div><span><font color=
=3D"#888888">John Howard<br><div><div><div><div><br></div></div></div></div=
></font></span></div>
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From: "Alex&Janet Thomson" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 20:43:03 -0400

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And =E2=80=A6 Based on pulley sizes, the alternator is probably more =
than likely spinning at twice the engine speed.

=20

Alex Thomson

=20

From: Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of =
Brad Kahler
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 3:02 PM
To: Lee&John Howard
Cc: triumph list list
Subject: Re: [TR] New Alternator - Stag

=20

=20

=20

On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Lee&John Howard <[email-masked]> =
wrote:

I just swapped in an new Delco style 71273 unit. It fits easily on the =
LH side and actually provides more belt adjustment room. Two problems, =
however:

1. I don't have the insulating plug so my wire connectors go directly to =
the blades on the unit. I've used #10 wire, which worked fine on the old =
Lucas 18ACR. Now, however, that wire gets very hot, and think it might =
be good idea to put a fuse in that run, which goes directly from =
alternator to starter. I suppose the higher amperage requires a heavier =
wire.=20

2. The new unit makes a loud  unacceptable whistle when running up to 3M =
RPMs or so. I've tired different belt tensions to no effect.  Can I =
expect this to dissipate with usage?=20

John Howard

=20

Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
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than likely spinning at twice the engine speed.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Triumphs [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Brad Kahler<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 06, 2016 3:02 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> Lee&amp;John Howard<br><b>Cc:</b> triumph list =
list<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] New Alternator - =
Stag<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I'd =
whine too if I was turning at 3M rpms!<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
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class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Tue, =
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href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I just swapped in an new Delco style =
71273 unit. It fits easily on the LH side and actually provides more =
belt adjustment room. Two problems, however:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>1. I don't have the =
insulating plug so my wire connectors go directly to the blades on the =
unit. I've used #10 wire, which worked fine on the old Lucas 18ACR. Now, =
however, that wire gets very hot, and think it might be good idea to put =
a fuse in that run, which goes directly from alternator to starter. I =
suppose the higher amperage requires a heavier wire. =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>2. The new unit makes a loud&nbsp; =
unacceptable whistle when running up to 3M RPMs or so. I've tired =
different belt tensions to no effect.&nbsp; Can I expect this to =
dissipate with usage? <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Any thoughts greatly =
appreciated.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
class=3Dhoenzb><span style=3D'color:#888888'>John =
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From: "Randall" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 21:19:27 -0700

> good idea to put a fuse in that run, which goes directly from alternator
> to starter. I suppose the higher amperage requires a heavier wire.

Definitely.  8 AWG at least.  Also make sure you use solder on the
terminals.

A fuse I'm not so sure about.  If it opens up, you'll probably damage the
alternator.  A fusible link might be better.

> this to dissipate with usage?

I doubt it.  Check carefully for clearance on all sides of the fan.  Last
time I had a noise like that, the blade was just kissing the corner of one
of the mounting bolts.

Randall

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From: Chad <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 12:45:23 +0000 (UTC)

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K is for 000=C2=A0=C2=A0 M is for 000 000
Chad in Tulsa

      From: Lee&John Howard <[email-masked]>
 To: Brad Kahler <[email-masked]>=20
Cc: triumph list list <[email-masked]>
 Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 2:50 PM
 Subject: Re: [TR] New Alternator - Stag
  =20
Doesn't M stand for 000?=20

On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Lee&John Howard <[email-masked]> wrote=
:

I just swapped in an new Delco style 71273 unit. It fits easily on the LH s=
ide and actually provides more belt adjustment room. Two problems, however:

1. I don't have the insulating plug so my wire connectors go directly to th=
e blades on the unit. I've used #10 wire, which worked fine on the old Luca=
s 18ACR. Now, however, that wire gets very hot, and think it might be good =
idea to put a fuse in that run, which goes directly from alternator to star=
ter. I suppose the higher amperage requires a heavier wire.=20

2. The new unit makes a loud=C2=A0 unacceptable whistle when running up to =
3M RPMs or so. I've tired different belt tensions to no effect.=C2=A0 Can I=
 expect this to dissipate with usage?=20

John Howard

@gmail.com

[email-masked]

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<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [TR] New=
 Alternator - Stag<br> </font> </div> <div class=3D"y_msg_container"><br><d=
iv id=3D"yiv9237275347"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Doesn't M stand for 000? <br =
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7275347yqt16243"><div class=3D"yiv9237275347gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"none"=
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rad Kahler <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targ=
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h: 1px; border-left-style: solid;"><div dir=3D"ltr">I'd whine too if I was =
turning at 3M rpms!<div><br clear=3D"none"></div></div><div class=3D"yiv923=
7275347gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"yiv9237275347gmail_quo=
te"><div><div class=3D"yiv9237275347h5">On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Le=
e&amp;John Howard <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
m" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:leej=
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</div></div><blockquote class=3D"yiv9237275347gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:=
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); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;"><div><div class=3D"yi=
v9237275347h5"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div>I just swapped in an ne=
w Delco style 71273 unit. It fits easily on the LH side and actually provid=
es more belt adjustment room. Two problems, however:<br clear=3D"none"><br =
clear=3D"none"></div>1. I don't have the insulating plug so my wire connect=
ors go directly to the blades on the unit. I've used #10 wire, which worked=
 fine on the old Lucas 18ACR. Now, however, that wire gets very hot, and th=
ink it might be good idea to put a fuse in that run, which goes directly fr=
om alternator to starter. I suppose the higher amperage requires a heavier =
wire. <br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div>2. The new unit makes a l=
oud&nbsp; unacceptable whistle when running up to 3M RPMs or so. I've tired=
 different belt tensions to no effect.&nbsp; Can I expect this to dissipate=
 with usage? <br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div>Any thoughts great=
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From: Michael Porter <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 19:40:10 -0600

On 9/7/2016 6:45 AM, Chad wrote:
> K is for 000   M is for 000 000
>

Umm, not exactly.  In the UK and some of the commonwealth countries, M 
is traditionally and colloquially used for thousands, because it's 
derived from the Latin numeral for one thousand.  Kilo (or K) is the 
prefix typically used in more recent scientific notation, taken from 
Greek (and initially adopted by the French circa early 19th century as a 
means of standardization of measurement, on which the ISO gram-meter 
system is based).   It's also common in the UK to hear "thousand 
million," rather than "billion,"  probably for the same reason--there 
was no Latin equivalent for billion.  In Latin numeracy, a million was 
the largest denomination, and was represented by an 'M' with a bar over 
it, the bar representing "times 1000."

That's roughly the etymology of it as I've been able to gather over the 
years.

Cheers.

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Michael Porter
Roswell, NM

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