From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 1 06:29:16 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A728A2580955 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2014 06:29:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.109]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B5B82580818 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2014 06:29:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([75.173.43.85]) by p3plsmtpa08-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id loXm1o00B1qFPpX01oXmPF; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 05:31:47 -0700 Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2014 06:31:35 -0600 From: David Porter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: dave n , triumphs@autox.team.net References: <54037683.1010905@porterscustom.com> <3C.48.31046.9E4A3045@cdptpa-oedge03> <00b201cfc571$ccdcea40$6696bec0$@uprichard.net> <75CE05DD64C34614B57EEEDF99FE9242@Ranteer.local> Subject: Re: [TR] O/D safety switch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net just out of curiosity, what car were you driving and what was the O/D reduction? Dave On 8/31/2014 7:23 PM, dave n wrote: > when we did tail of the dragon, it was all 2nd and 2nd od, back and > forth, back and forth. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stIUBx5jWY8 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/frogeye@porterscustom.com > > -- Dave Porter Porter Custom Bicycles 2909 Arno St. NE Albuquerque, NM 87107 505-352-1378 Go HERE: my world www.porterbikes.com/ ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 1 07:25:52 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A80F2584647 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2014 07:25:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.106]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB00F25805F9 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2014 07:25:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 370Z ([76.184.172.222]) by p3plsmtpa06-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id lpTx1o0044oFfFQ01pTzFl; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 06:28:00 -0700 From: "dave n" To: References: <54037683.1010905@porterscustom.com> <3C.48.31046.9E4A3045@cdptpa-oedge03> <00b201cfc571$ccdcea40$6696bec0$@uprichard.net> <75CE05DD64C34614B57EEEDF99FE9242@Ranteer.local> <54046727.7000502@porterscustom.com> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 08:27:30 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] O/D safety switch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net 72TR6, but modified (both suspension and engine) with A type OD. I do not know the actual reduction, except the transmission and od were from a different car and I think stock. -----Original Message----- From: David Porter Sent: Monday, September 1, 2014 7:31 AM To: dave n ; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] O/D safety switch just out of curiosity, what car were you driving and what was the O/D reduction? Dave On 8/31/2014 7:23 PM, dave n wrote: > when we did tail of the dragon, it was all 2nd and 2nd od, back and forth, > back and forth. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stIUBx5jWY8 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 1 07:29:33 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D18B25806FD for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2014 07:29:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.231]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0132B25806FD for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2014 07:29:07 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge03 smtp.user=pbrandsema@triad.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [107.14.174.248] ([107.14.174.248:44430] helo=cdptpa-web11) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id 15/B1-31046-64574045; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 13:31:50 +0000 Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 13:31:50 +0000 From: To: Triumph Mailing List Sensitivity: Normal 2014 13:31:50 +0000 Subject: Re: [TR] hard starting TR4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Had a similar problem earlier this year. In my case it appears to be a combo of fuel with ethanol and temperature. I've learned that ethanol has the wonderful property of absorbing water and the longer the gas sits unused the worse it gets. Since water has a lower boiling point than gas, I was getting percolation of the fuel in the float bowls when either the engine was shutdown or idling (no air flow to cool engine compartment). My solution, which is still in trial, is to use a fuel additive (stabil ethanol treatment) plus I insulated the float bowls with thermal tape wrap. Not original but neither is ethanol! Also have a heat shield installed between carbs and manifold. Results so far have been positive. Paul Brandsema 61 TR4 CT133 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 1 07:42:46 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17DFA25805F9 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2014 07:42:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.107]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24E4F25805F9 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2014 07:42:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([75.173.43.85]) by p3plsmtpa08-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id lpkt1o00d1qFPpX01pkun3; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 06:44:54 -0700 Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2014 07:44:42 -0600 From: David Porter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: dave n , triumphs@autox.team.net References: <54037683.1010905@porterscustom.com> <3C.48.31046.9E4A3045@cdptpa-oedge03> <00b201cfc571$ccdcea40$6696bec0$@uprichard.net> <75CE05DD64C34614B57EEEDF99FE9242@Ranteer.local> <54046727.7000502@porterscustom.com> <83C1F0F7FC404092A092AB979C880C1D@Ranteer.local> Subject: Re: [TR] O/D safety switch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net so.. likely 23 or 28% reduction.. thanks.. On 9/1/2014 7:27 AM, dave n wrote: > 72TR6, but modified (both suspension and engine) with A type OD. I do > not know the actual reduction, except the transmission and od were > from a different car and I think stock. > > -----Original Message----- From: David Porter > Sent: Monday, September 1, 2014 7:31 AM > To: dave n ; triumphs@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [TR] O/D safety switch > > just out of curiosity, what car were you driving and what was the O/D > reduction? > Dave > On 8/31/2014 7:23 PM, dave n wrote: >> when we did tail of the dragon, it was all 2nd and 2nd od, back and >> forth, back and forth. >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stIUBx5jWY8 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/frogeye@porterscustom.com > > -- Dave Porter Porter Custom Bicycles 2909 Arno St. NE Albuquerque, NM 87107 505-352-1378 Go HERE: my world www.porterbikes.com/ ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 1 08:03:28 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64A5A2584F19 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2014 08:03:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d02.mx.aol.com (omr-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A71F525807B0 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2014 08:03:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-mbb02.mx.aol.com (mtaout-mbb02.mx.aol.com [172.26.254.110]) by omr-d02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 3EAED7000009F for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2014 10:06:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (jesp-12-118.dsl.netins.net [216.51.203.118]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-mbb02.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id CA8FC38000086 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2014 10:06:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Alexander Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 09:06:02 -0500 To: Listserv Triumph x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20140625; t=1409580363; bh=OzMSM4MW3dNMBEskI7QKp5Gerxs+lFF1ynaWIrBUGeo=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=sG+zdJOJ5sOgqdCVI6h4UAuYQz3gJmHD1nwBrg3D7eY+WgW/ZqVz94bkCgLBxYr/p bh3kS1EH79V3DkXL/15CWxIaigtnHpFRhuqSVSvD/LwKcbTks/nUwUi847p6mhUpvJ iyivrMI9iUuNZDr6sJrKEMx+wTD9foGjuxTMDI2Y= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1afe6e54047d4a2c0f Subject: [TR] Hot Start of Will Daehler's TR4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Will Daehler, Maybe you already have a heat shield. I don't remember. But Triumph needed heat shields like the other British cars with carbs sitting on exhaust manifolds. More so now, with new fuels. And cooler fuel is always good. And street cars need heat shields more in stop and go heat soaking traffic than race cars do when at full throttle. Joe Alexander 645 1st Street Jesup, IA 50648 The-vintage-racer.com Gasketinnovations.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 1 11:33:03 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8C0325809CA for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2014 11:33:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f52.google.com (mail-la0-f52.google.com [209.85.215.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83D522580983 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2014 11:32:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f52.google.com with SMTP id ty20so6367645lab.25 for ; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 10:35:37 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=MLbbJ7oBDJJeEP4NpcEh3d0Prkv+daAuinav3mTWMuk=; b=EKR7ofIOTUEO+aHWpaaywbCWk3ir3pSgZWGYUImFZEDl/0uBRlqelLWgDjGFTBExxV kM5L38crafyu4us6OvIIij91lGAUX2Ppsy+kNBDRbLRIFAhoWg2OfvOXFuc50rCnhuif n6C56ljc0tpaRw8+jJoVwjSzhG1FEkLjJKa+KQKQgtxt2tZkGBwwLIuqpRcVLYe36GSi PjXzFqKcJUtxzAHP/kJ/V08odb0dXIJ/i6BYRhINX3Wo2yJHQ/dRWaDfLUqVk5UrCJVy IGiEFjfCdryYPqxMhCfgbTiQ/PWieBYMAGMdukN+hxa+F7O9bFXRAdzMWW9HMdJHFoqW 9hFQ== xq8mr28373291lbb.18.1409592936784; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 10:35:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.161.33 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Sep 2014 10:35:36 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 13:35:36 -0400 From: Jeff Scarbrough Cc: "Triumphs@Autox Team. Net" Subject: Re: [TR] OT: help from the brilliant Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 11:38 PM, Geo Hahn wrote: > Return it at night... in the rain? I realize that you're joking, but in truth, many auto rental companies see damage claims as a profit center. They will cheerfully let you return the car and give you a receipt, then weeks later a charge appears on y our credit card for $498 to repair some damage. Often, it can be preexisting damage that gets charged again and again. Photos before you drive off, photos after you drive in... Doesn't help David much...I suspect he will either have to get it fixed, or get ready to pay rental repair rates. I've seen some magic scratch repair products advertised, but I don't know how effective that might be. Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 1 12:28:56 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 367EB25850FD for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2014 12:28:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9ED02580992 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2014 12:28:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55018] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 6B/68-25788-B6BB4045; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 18:31:07 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Listserv Triumph'" Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 11:31:08 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac/F7d/RbRGkeTSxSc+0mJJPE2fvggAIFNEg Subject: Re: [TR] Hot Start of Will Daehler's TR4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > And street cars need heat shields more in stop and go heat > soaking traffic > than race cars do when at full throttle. I can certainly vouch that my TR3 starts much easier hot with one of Joe's heat shields installed. Installation was relatively painless, though I did have to open up the hole for the vacuum line just a bit, so the compression nut would pass through. Here's a photo, in case anyone is interested: http://tinyurl.com/k9d3jgq I was thinking that 10 minutes was not long enough for Will's problem to be a heat issue; but on second thought that may not be true. Another thing that seems to help is taking the factory advice of holding the throttle partway down while cranking. Setting the carbs a bit on the lean side (half a flat or so) seemed to help as well. What I still don't really understand is why the problem seems to be worse with E10. Gasoline of course is made up of many different chemicals, so the refining process controls the initial boiling point. But most sources give it as well under the boiling point of either ethanol or water. Furthermore, the EPA defines fairly tight standards for the permissible range of initial boiling point (aka Reid Vapor Pressure), in order to balance easy starting (hard starting engines blow a lot of pollution during the cranking process) with fuel evaporation. The limits even vary with area and season (so winter fuel boils easier than summer fuel). My guess is that the changes in fuel standards have much more to do with the problem than just whether there is ethanol in the mix or not; or how much water has been absorbed. Of course, if the fuel has separated, it would be very hard to start, but probably harder cold than hot. And in my limited experiments, you'd need heavy choke to keep it running smoothly even once it is warmed up. Ethanol has to run much richer than gasoline, or it won't run at all. I tried burning a gallon of "white lightning" in a TR3A once, and had to keep the carb jets down by roughly 3/16 inch for it run smoothly hot. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 1 16:49:14 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1374C2580A68 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2014 16:49:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp1.execulink.net (smtp1.execulink.net [69.63.44.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDF3125809B4 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2014 16:48:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 231-195.speede.golden.net ([216.59.231.195]) by smtp1.execulink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1XOaRR-0004FR-Qc for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 18:51:18 -0400 Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2014 18:51:18 -0400 From: Angelo Graham User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR2/3 - gearshift vibration Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello List: Have been getting miles on the '2 in between rain showers this season. Have a question about gearbox vibration that can really be felt in the gear change lever, especially when backing off the throttle. Usually hits around 2000-2500 rpm. I did rebuild the box, but must admit I didn't pay too much attention to the top cover; just changed the 'O' rings on the ends of the shifter shafts. Just wondering if the vibration is 'normal'; I can quiet it down if I grasp the lever and somewhat dampen the vibes. Anything to worry about? Everything seems tight, but can't seem to track down what might be causing this one. Don't get it when accelerating or driving at a constant speed; just on backing off the throttle. Thanks again for any insights. Angelo Graham ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 1 16:53:49 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B2892580B61 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2014 16:53:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp5.opentext.com (smtp5.opentext.com [205.211.178.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E47F25809D6 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2014 16:53:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from otwlxg11.opentext.net (otwlxg11.opentext.net [10.2.103.152]) by wldmzsvc05.dmz.opentext.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s81MvZi0032516 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Sep 2014 18:57:35 -0400 Received: from OTWLXG21.opentext.net ([169.254.3.106]) by otwlxg11.opentext.net ([10.2.103.152]) with mapi id 14.03.0181.006; Mon, 1 Sep 2014 18:56:26 -0400 From: David Templeton To: Angelo Graham , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [TR] TR2/3 - gearshift vibration Thread-Index: Ac/GN/TkmwCVVkfWqUGoZXwThL8XmQ== Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 22:56:25 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-tm-as-product-ver: SMEX-10.2.0.1135-7.500.1018-20922.001 x-tm-as-result: No--25.451800-8.000000-31 x-tm-as-user-approved-sender: No x-tm-as-user-blocked-sender: No Content-ID: <2F9F611403D32F41B7845FF96F42A8B5@opentext.net> Subject: Re: [TR] TR2/3 - gearshift vibration Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Angelo Did you get the driveshaft balanced and new u-joints? B Thanks David b Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphoneB ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 1 19:35:20 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C81E0258462B for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2014 19:35:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.111]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A1872580B06 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2014 19:34:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([75.173.43.85]) by p3plsmtpa08-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id m1dP1o0021qFPpX011dPve; Mon, 01 Sep 2014 18:37:26 -0700 Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2014 19:37:11 -0600 From: David Porter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: "Triumphs (triumphs@autox.team.net)" Subject: [TR] part needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Though a dealer for Moss, they, have virtually nothing for GT6 models, unless it's a Spitfire part that interchanges.. so now that I own 3 of these cars, the plan is to make one nice car. To that end I require the left most dash trim. Pretty short 8-10 curvy inches I guess. Covered in black vinyl over a bit of foam. Anyone out there have a spare that they have no use for or a recommendation for who sells these odd bits? -- Dave Porter Porter Custom Bicycles 2909 Arno St. NE Albuquerque, NM 87107 505-352-1378 Go HERE: my world www.porterbikes.com/ ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 1 21:12:18 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E83282584657 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2014 21:12:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm5-vm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm5-vm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.153]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F3272584503 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2014 21:11:39 -0600 (MDT) s=s1024; t=1409627662; bh=Mubo0TOvJQY4ZMo575jGb9ufUbvwh9UMFAN8oPQzQM8=; b=yEBta9p4jHRaLre119WBQeZUsFv1GfaAXZ6fjnaDk7RdXllcTJH8hf8DsoEw8rywVkeV1HGY3oKs428ofPxiGNjBe8SnnBwRFLJ37PQnwvgF4L5YvjZzHigvovalWnrziQQq4pivyogqj0VFsNYGW1sSeJAIz8AXWRf+X2m/Lnc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=att.net; b=uHj57t146zA3aZtqzpVePvDy+Tf+juPWGlJ1uLhS1TQ7VLQiKIrrbc/ZGhS/OvBAvfbVFi5sXemrRVQVwWk3vrifz1NS0In98GYICXmSR/EZKaaP//7TNlZiKtdicyYiWzvw5A6rMCt2e1Lnq62vsCQPPLLfwvYCURC1x+Q1vVw=; Received: from [216.39.60.175] by nm5.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2014 03:14:22 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.241] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2014 03:14:22 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp112.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Sep 2014 03:14:21 -0000 s=s1024; t=1409627661; bh=Mubo0TOvJQY4ZMo575jGb9ufUbvwh9UMFAN8oPQzQM8=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:X-Mailer; b=1Eq4YrKZ2ARsU4MrEoHQdBTagaG6DGHMa7lt7taw2+yhNcPXnM80HWR2xhK6N2jMssSwojFigrf9pYzU/28E7MEBTmo+w0EoP9NFZnQ2b37LqBKiV4if14Cg5Uithunr+g3DjhGGqrk9WXJX+U72ZU9ViNHNPz57eAmrqbph+30= 8JLKZg6H3qQKI4XlOGOGLJIuXiQZDmSDQa2JVTOyYZUQl_udstMp0tZ_nTG0 1XOMSbfM5wXGhX.DJMkyHRaN_E.VWNfJ8tWMv0BAXuNto3VVtPQIRh71Hqos YVb9y3HtfBruktPKMULWkXZ4JyXIcd1Ra.fAPKgQCGP39qR0WSxnNPRxUqwS uCoElcjdq8AgwF01uWnlBXm.FiltLXPMikNp8dMGq4N6eOvnsbYXnr.BcftG 7hrjSYhGMW3Bq8U6t3_6J6qb_c._YyTRGy0eQ95T8VgL0ErD3U9WV3jtFsjw eTyEmufcqyAVh8fm9z5k4BBGzk4XuxCN5yf918JtW6emr6Y_rp6sA3i4OV7B WaByqRZftFrdf0VG7n3lGxt.jioAc5MSs1EXNFIpZUL1QENXSl1HyupXiO8F SnSff4jaMPYg.MglQt8NBx.LvOxkviYqPZab9v0xCAqu_SZtxNdUONx_RtQ. o5WB.Ty0MhiehGi8nwmKLl6DBVRp7LdE.ZQyzmsrb6pCklW40vLmpWKbChcb xTHucDs0C3b.1eD58teDyG0YcV8Nl4GSs_zWRLPE5ne7VW2bk1XgGxZPhnr_ 6LUzyg2_T4AlScOrL169odQqVAHZUYXAYBIajNyvVj.0JXYIt0kvVGlqdkJp 44TPjyVezJFO12JtCv4QMHc_iuojTWA-- From: Greg Schuett Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 20:14:20 -0700 References: <54051F47.1030106@porterscustom.com> To: David Porter Cc: "Triumphs \(triumphs@autox.team.net\)" Subject: Re: [TR] part needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Did you try spit bits in Lincoln CA? www.spitbits.com Greg On Sep 1, 2014, at 6:37 PM, David Porter wrote: > Though a dealer for Moss, they, have virtually nothing for GT6 models, unless it's a Spitfire part that interchanges.. so now that I own 3 of these cars, the plan is to make one nice car. To that end I require the left most dash trim. Pretty short 8-10 curvy inches I guess. Covered in black vinyl over a bit of foam. > Anyone out there have a spare that they have no use for or a recommendation for who sells these odd bits? > -- > Dave Porter Porter Custom Bicycles 2909 Arno St. NE Albuquerque, NM 87107 505-352-1378 Go HERE: my world www.porterbikes.com/ > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tr4boy@att.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 2 04:38:26 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E9472584678 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2014 04:38:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa11-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa11-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.107]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6115F2580A02 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2014 04:37:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([75.173.43.85]) by p3plsmtpa11-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id mAgU1o0061qFPpX01AgUXb; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 03:40:32 -0700 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2014 04:40:16 -0600 From: David Porter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: "Triumphs (triumphs@autox.team.net)" References: <54051F47.1030106@porterscustom.com> Subject: Re: [TR] part needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net No joy with Spitbits, thought they did have a couple other trim item I needed... I'll look at the other site anon.. I suspect I'll need to go overseas for the obscure items.. sigh.. Dave On 9/1/2014 7:37 PM, David Porter wrote: > Though a dealer for Moss, they, have virtually nothing for GT6 models, > unless it's a Spitfire part that interchanges.. so now that I own 3 of > these cars, the plan is to make one nice car. To that end I require > the left most dash trim. Pretty short 8-10 curvy inches I guess. > Covered in black vinyl over a bit of foam. > Anyone out there have a spare that they have no use for or a > recommendation for who sells these odd bits? -- Dave Porter Porter Custom Bicycles 2909 Arno St. NE Albuquerque, NM 87107 505-352-1378 Go HERE: my world www.porterbikes.com/ ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 2 09:32:05 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5675258474F for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2014 09:32:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa09-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa09-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.232]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34E982585176 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2014 09:31:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 370Z ([76.184.172.222]) by p3plsmtpa09-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id mFae1o00s4oFfFQ01FafGz; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 08:34:40 -0700 From: "dave n" To: Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 10:31:47 -0500 Subject: [TR] somewhat off topic Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have a low mileage 63 buick which has been in the family since my grandfather bought it from James Roche, who eventually became CEO of GM, in 1963. (and I have the paperwork to prove it). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Roche_(General_Motors) www.ranteer.com/davescars/buick it gets driven maybe 100 miles per year; started and run for a few minutes every other week or so. it lives in an underground parking garage. how often should I change the oil? typically it gets changed every year or so. I am wondering if I am wasting my money putting synthetic in it. I do believe I should be sure that the oil I use has zddp. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 2 11:17:27 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36DCB25809EA for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2014 11:17:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 202D525809EA for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2014 11:16:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55008] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id A5/C5-04427-62CF5045; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 17:19:35 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'dave n'" , Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 10:19:35 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac/Gw2rQhcMLPOoxSaKaZqPNPc9hegADQrog Subject: Re: [TR] somewhat off topic Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > started and run for > a few minutes > every other week or so. That's a terrible thing to do to an old engine. It would be kinder to put the battery on a float charger and not start the engine unless you are going to drive far enough to get the oil hot. > how often should I change the oil? typically it gets changed > every year or so. I believe GM's recommendation was 6 months. > I am wondering if I am wasting my money putting synthetic in it. Perhaps so, but that's what I would do. > I do believe I should be sure that the oil I use has zddp. Contrary to popular opinion, all quality motor oils have ZDDP in them. The debate is all about the reduced levels in the most recent "emission" oils. ZDDP only gets consumed when thee is actual metal-to-metal contact (the oil film gets squeezed out). So, since you are hitting the age limit instead of the mileage limit, I don't see any reason to use an old fashioned oil with elevated ZDDP. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 2 14:51:21 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB0832584749 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2014 14:51:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa12-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa12-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.232]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9773F2584586 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2014 14:50:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([75.173.43.85]) by p3plsmtpa12-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id mLtM1o00G1qFPpX01LtNtg; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 13:53:22 -0700 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2014 14:53:09 -0600 From: David Porter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: "Triumphs (triumphs@autox.team.net)" References: <54051F47.1030106@porterscustom.com> Subject: Re: [TR] part needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Scott Harper in Warren, Ohio had all the little trim bits I needed.. thanks for the recommendations.. I'm compiling a list..;-) he's at 330 392 7176 On 9/1/2014 7:37 PM, David Porter wrote: > Though a dealer for Moss, they, have virtually nothing for GT6 models, > unless it's a Spitfire part that interchanges.. so now that I own 3 of > these cars, the plan is to make one nice car. To that end I require > the left most dash trim. Pretty short 8-10 curvy inches I guess. > Covered in black vinyl over a bit of foam. > Anyone out there have a spare that they have no use for or a > recommendation for who sells these odd bits? -- Dave Porter Porter Custom Bicycles 2909 Arno St. NE Albuquerque, NM 87107 505-352-1378 Go HERE: my world www.porterbikes.com/ ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 2 16:58:01 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6817225848A5 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2014 16:58:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.17]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 919192584856 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2014 16:57:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta24.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.76]) by qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id mNcM1o0031ei1Bg5AP0eiq; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 23:00:38 +0000 Received: from resmail-ch2-322v.sys.comcast.net ([162.150.49.101]) by omta24.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id mP0d1o00r2Azwqi3kP0dke; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 23:00:38 +0000 Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 23:00:37 +0000 (UTC) From: fogbro1@comcast.net To: triumph list (Win)/8.0.3_GA_5664) Thread-Topic: fuel line "nuts" Thread-Index: WtlrCq/FulCVspJD6Wgt/Y74xOPE+w== s=q20140121; t=1409698838; bh=qg0FCeY3I3mHprSI55X0xs/BpElukLhQ5vTEVBrHQEc=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=B+p0e+kdj85bnc9sORFOk0ISepJSXPCvEz9H4pBEyBPSDKLgO22wsw/roG0sTfDXZ 06LUUK5YfvFKNuaEdydF0ujjkxon53TapClSV9HEvQvNwSycdE6RV7pmnp/XrBf/Yk yES6344vFaCGQpFpwmCYu+7i3vfHy/hYXKJBvpJKPN+ekNdFguIn9d62I3v7/JNdA6 ehnWkuoQLI/mVgCOtYKtBXUsOStpPPyvgUcspqeFb2H58juJgXQ35NFiU2KFEDj3cV XCBS/EixKFPRyjo6ZSJsI81SmZbZDPM9laFt5HPYsJeEs/+USQTKGR+Ak0Jca3S/Q2 eiNURUdK29S6w== Subject: [TR] fuel line "nuts" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List, B Any known source of the fuel line nuts that connect the 1/4" line and 5/16" line to the TR3 fuel pump? B Ed Woods ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 2 17:20:43 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C1D12584861 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2014 17:20:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59FA125845E0 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2014 17:20:37 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge03 smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [107.14.174.248] ([107.14.174.248:61841] helo=cdptpa-web11) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id 5C/B5-22647-86156045; Tue, 02 Sep 2014 23:23:20 +0000 Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 23:23:20 +0000 From: Randall To: fogbro1@comcast.net, triumph list Sensitivity: Normal 2014 23:23:20 +0000 Subject: Re: [TR] fuel line "nuts" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- fogbro1@comcast.net wrote: > List, > B > Any known source of the fuel line nuts that connect the 1/4" line and 5/16" > line to the TR3 fuel pump? I was able to find them at my FLAPS. They've got one of those "wall of drawers" things with all sorts of little fittings. You'll have to measure the threads though, as I don't recall what they were offhand. Same problem as the factory nuts, though. They won't reach deep enough to crush a modern style compression sleeve. And beware of overtightening, as it's easy to crack the pump housing. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 3 08:12:21 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 699A32584A18 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 08:12:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta11.charter.net (mta11.charter.net [216.33.127.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 283F82584518 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 08:11:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20140903141423.JWVG4658.mta11.charter.net@imp09> for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 10:14:23 -0400 Received: from mtaout004.msg.strl.va.charter.net ([68.114.190.29]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id meEP1o00D0eWGlw05eEPK4; Wed, 03 Sep 2014 10:14:23 -0400 Received: from impout001 ([68.114.189.16]) by mtaout004.msg.strl.va.charter.net (InterMail vM.9.00.010.00 201-2473-137) with ESMTP id <20140903141423.NLRT16302.mtaout004.msg.strl.va.charter.net@impout001> for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 09:14:23 -0500 Received: from UserPC ([68.191.49.60]) by impout001 with charter.net id meEP1o00F1HvRt801eEPB6; Wed, 03 Sep 2014 09:14:23 -0500 a=0XvWQ/Ro/I08oZQvByVktA==:117 a=0XvWQ/Ro/I08oZQvByVktA==:17 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=BZqbWk0OeqIA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=DAwyPP_o2Byb1YXLmDAA:9 a=Zr7miEi8wWIA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=mkuR5niSAAAA:8 a=BRWRAcdpgc4HtfhhEhMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=Mgxg3V2yYZX6c9yU6AMA:9 a=XKAR1mCxuH4oQZZ1:21 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 From: "Alex&Janet Thomson" To: Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 10:14:18 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac/HgQ5khdUhIsvnRKClY633Zgpy9w== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] Gathering of British Motorcars Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List - Please share with anyone in Southern New England. Thanks. Alex Thomson Connecticut Triumph Register 34th ANNUAL BRITISH MOTORCAR GATHERING AND PICNIC Hosted by the Connecticut Triumph Register on Sunday, September 7th, 2014 9:30AM - 3PM at Wickham Park, Manchester, CT Venue The Connecticut Triumph Register invites anyone with a British motorcar of any make, model, and condition to join in. This year's gathering is low key- no classes, voting or awards- no pressure! Take your car out for a drive and stop in for a while. Meet and mingle with other Triumph and British vehicle owners. Bring your own picnic or purchase food and beverage provided by BS Troop 28 of Hebron. CTR regalia will be available for purchase. Wickham Park, with 250 acres of gardens, woodlands, ponds, and attractions including an aviary, is a beautiful venue for this autumn event. Signs within the park will direct participants to the field parking area. There is no registration fee for the event. There is a park entrance fee of $5 per car. Directions Wickham Park is located at 1329 West Middle Turnpike in Manchester, CT and is easily accessible from Interstate 84 (exit 60). Information Go to www.CTriumph.com for information, updates, and weather-related announcements day of event. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 3 14:29:29 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C8722584593 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 14:29:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.225]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9499125808BB for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 14:29:20 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge01 smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [107.14.174.248] ([107.14.174.248:21937] helo=cdptpa-web11) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id 85/59-03425-4CA77045; Wed, 03 Sep 2014 20:32:04 +0000 Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 20:32:04 +0000 From: Randall To: Angelo Graham , triumphs@autox.team.net Sensitivity: Normal 2014 20:32:04 +0000 Subject: Re: [TR] TR2/3 - gearshift vibration Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Anything to worry about? Everything seems tight, but can't seem to track > down what might be causing this one. Don't get it when accelerating or > driving at a constant speed; just on backing off the throttle. Probably nothing to worry about. The factory tried several times to address vibration in the gear lever, apparently without a lot of success. There is a service bulletin (which I don't seem to have handy, will try to post tonight) about putting a piece of rubber hose on the shift lever inside the spring. They also tried adding a brace (later on, TR4A maybe) to the top cover, and even a rubber-mounted counterweight on some models. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 3 17:22:55 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E14A225851AF for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 17:22:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f181.google.com (mail-vc0-f181.google.com [209.85.220.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 779B625805F9 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 17:22:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f181.google.com with SMTP id ij19so9592307vcb.26 for ; Wed, 03 Sep 2014 16:24:59 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=JJqwYZvZrxySwuV0jy9D+145KauWfdZeg4ER70+970s=; b=ZpAJesqLKAO56djE9cg9TSlA1y6FlRbYVqhDZcsjHZvYzkP5zqmMCnX0PH2IIXGpmx t1PGKFN8Y7dGXdw8Z+/dlmnj7VrrCuof9sXxxGwDgElNe30GEktj5i9VjIHrqUWDbThl s2N8Q7QKyO+svDtVhk3nur8U2c92tvmCa5zPBPJ9TyvHVf9EIFwn+rm/tgsQ5tsMWnhv hYpr2mpB8DmXjzriwGMHXo6pTqEL8PkgABTLLCtlcJcA9oNHrHYHAnXkVOYM8bgyLtQD bDZxHKsg+UXst2qAADnjYK1m95Fpm+Uv0vkSWZZWbyavYLVuX+fPFrJ5OoQzmDuBhhXS lAhA== k12mr147582vcx.15.1409786699041; Wed, 03 Sep 2014 16:24:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.27.99 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 16:24:58 -0700 (PDT) References: <5404F866.20208@execulink.com> <20140903203204.0WRGB.99020.root@cdptpa-web11> Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 16:24:58 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Angelo Graham Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR2/3 - gearshift vibration Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Randall wrote: ...They also tried adding a brace (later on, TR4A maybe) to the top cover, > and even a rubber-mounted counterweight on some models. > Here's the brace that came on my TR4, it also has the heavy weight strapped to the tailshaft. http://goo.gl/LJUXLv This was 1964 and I guess (as Randall explains) they were trying everything they could think of. Maybe it works -- I don't notice the vibration you describe. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 3 23:52:54 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8223F2584B2F for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 23:52:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5A8725845C9 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 23:52:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55010] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id F9/30-27135-FCEF7045; Thu, 04 Sep 2014 05:55:28 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Angelo Graham'" , Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 22:55:28 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac/HtiGtMXOFdX1mQYCOmGHJbjltMwATjMYA Subject: Re: [TR] TR2/3 - gearshift vibration Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > There is a service bulletin (which > I don't seem to have handy, will try to post tonight) about > putting a piece of rubber hose on the shift lever inside the > spring. Found it, finally. http://goo.gl/Hpn6Rb > They also tried adding a brace (later on, TR4A > maybe) to the top cover, and even a rubber-mounted > counterweight on some models. According to the TR4 SPC, the brace was all TR4 (although there were two different versions); the counterweight only gearbox CT17815 through CT35719. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 4 16:11:56 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13F332585451 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2014 16:11:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo101.cox.net (fed1rmfepo101.cox.net [68.230.241.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C012425853FB for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2014 16:09:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo209 ([68.230.241.160]) by fed1rmfepo101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20140904221234.WBME29651.fed1rmfepo101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo209> for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2014 18:12:34 -0400 Received: from Lambert1 ([68.109.90.164]) by fed1rmimpo209 with cox id nACa1o0043YlhZw01ACaMy; Thu, 04 Sep 2014 18:12:34 -0400 a=Xgyv9WEnfqrxs7QSImTxlQ==:17 a=RNQTcZx0KOgA:10 a=GxZAYWATbHIA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=eV6b3SmSAAAA:20 a=JLoSWHKoswCkU014hPoA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=0POiDa85smoA:10 a=Xgyv9WEnfqrxs7QSImTxlQ==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "D&BLambert" To: References: <20140903203204.0WRGB.99020.root@cdptpa-web11> Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 15:11:31 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac/HtiGtMXOFdX1mQYCOmGHJbjltMwATjMYAACFzcYA= Subject: Re: [TR] TR2/3 - gearshift vibration Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I've also been battling the vibrating/rattling gearshift lever on my TR3A for some time now. A few years ago (maybe 20K miles) I replaced the driveshaft u-joints and had the shaft balanced. Some months ago I got a copy of the Service Bulletin (mine is a little different than the one Randal posted) concerning gearshift rattles and performed the recommendations: I enlarged the trapezoid hole in the lever cap, and also tried the short piece of rubber tubing on the lever, neither of which made a bit of difference, except for making it much more difficult to shift into reverse. I've machined some shims/buffers out of Delrin for under the cap to prevent metal to metal contact in that area. No luck. I tried a stiffer/weaker gear lever spring. No difference. I tried hollowing out the gearshift knob and epoxying in a metal slug for dampening, again no luck. On that note, I have tried at least 4 different gear shift knobs (including an original hard rubber one) with no change in the vibration. The vibration and resultant chatter/rattle is much more sever when accelerating. I'm now into the habit of steering with one hand and holding the gear lever with the other to somewhat dampen the rattle. I'm kind of out of ideas, so I am following this thread closely. Anyone have any other ideas? Is the torpedo-shaped counter weight available anywhere? Does it really do anything? Couldn't I just make one out of a slug of steel and fab a bracket of some sort, or does it have to be a certain weight to cancel a specific harmonic? I dunno.... Any suggestions? Perhaps I need to revisit the driveshaft/u-joints? Thanks for wading through this. Dennis > > > There is a service bulletin (which > > I don't seem to have handy, will try to post tonight) about > > putting a piece of rubber hose on the shift lever inside the > > spring. > > Found it, finally. > http://goo.gl/Hpn6Rb > > > They also tried adding a brace (later on, TR4A > > maybe) to the top cover, and even a rubber-mounted > > counterweight on some models. > > According to the TR4 SPC, the brace was all TR4 (although there were two > different versions); the counterweight only gearbox CT17815 > through CT35719. > > Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 4 17:48:14 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16B3E25848F7 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2014 17:48:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.108]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF6FB25804F8 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2014 17:47:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([75.173.43.85]) by p3plsmtpa08-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id nBqJ1o00G1qFPpX01BqK3L; Thu, 04 Sep 2014 16:50:20 -0700 Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2014 17:50:05 -0600 From: David Porter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: D&BLambert , triumphs@autox.team.net References: <20140903203204.0WRGB.99020.root@cdptpa-web11> <5CB60884FBBF42389D94644E1A0ADD37@Lambert1> Subject: Re: [TR] TR2/3 - gearshift vibration Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net It sounds to me like it's time to open the gear box and check the needle bearings on the counter shaft and the ball bearings on the main shaft.. also the side wear on the shifter forks. They are bronze (like) and new brass/bronze welding rod can be tinned on to renew spacing.. dave On 9/4/2014 4:11 PM, D&B Lambert wrote: > I've also been battling the vibrating/rattling gearshift lever on my TR3A > for some time now. A few years ago (maybe 20K miles) I replaced the > driveshaft u-joints and had the shaft balanced. Some months ago I got a > copy of the Service Bulletin (mine is a little different than the one Randal > posted) concerning gearshift rattles and performed the recommendations: I > enlarged the trapezoid hole in the lever cap, and also tried the short piece > of rubber tubing on the lever, neither of which made a bit of difference, > except for making it much more difficult to shift into reverse. I've > machined some shims/buffers out of Delrin for under the cap to prevent metal > to metal contact in that area. No luck. I tried a stiffer/weaker gear > lever spring. No difference. I tried hollowing out the gearshift knob and > epoxying in a metal slug for dampening, again no luck. On that note, I have > tried at least 4 different gear shift knobs (including an original hard > rubber one) with no change in the vibration. The vibration and resultant > chatter/rattle is much more sever when accelerating. I'm now into the habit > of steering with one hand and holding the gear lever with the other to > somewhat dampen the rattle. I'm kind of out of ideas, so I am following > this thread closely. Anyone have any other ideas? Is the torpedo-shaped > counter weight available anywhere? Does it really do anything? Couldn't I > just make one out of a slug of steel and fab a bracket of some sort, or does > it have to be a certain weight to cancel a specific harmonic? I dunno.... > Any suggestions? Perhaps I need to revisit the driveshaft/u-joints? > Thanks for wading through this. > Dennis > >>> There is a service bulletin (which >>> I don't seem to have handy, will try to post tonight) about >>> putting a piece of rubber hose on the shift lever inside the >>> spring. >> Found it, finally. >> http://goo.gl/Hpn6Rb >> >>> They also tried adding a brace (later on, TR4A >>> maybe) to the top cover, and even a rubber-mounted >>> counterweight on some models. >> According to the TR4 SPC, the brace was all TR4 (although there were two >> different versions); the counterweight only gearbox CT17815 >> through CT35719. >> >> Randall > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/frogeye@porterscustom.com > > -- Dave Porter Porter Custom Bicycles 2909 Arno St. NE Albuquerque, NM 87107 505-352-1378 Go HERE: my world www.porterbikes.com/ ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 4 18:27:59 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CB532584944 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2014 18:27:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f47.google.com (mail-qa0-f47.google.com [209.85.216.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C17232580BC6 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2014 18:23:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qa0-f47.google.com with SMTP id x12so10150972qac.20 for ; Thu, 04 Sep 2014 17:26:33 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=hiR8H0srTXCWfR8ux1GYSuVXTRE9igfgTzb16Di5kXE=; b=WxBgv+saQMcmSGV4Br2pcdJJkpUwoRRBaaX+T+LHRWw1BidzdxspQlkZzY7TDQgDPC OLSRg0qG+7k2NT9xqIQ8WqpUQzC4oV5+WlOMtNGH6aA7sMfdEJ0z0oWSaj+hjMoqWmth 7G/MeIAqSB1a+wAu8nyA53vJ7nq75xpmVilTzXtvIxQkGso+AekrsVyzjIpxt0ltTzk2 rHB1UDNbGovCL/aksaaPq5f3+xPVaeDCF3GeYVnY4lBC3xqNYZRMuuXXTxK/oBe72sV3 XYYFfLxC9zrKSaOpiLJVK1mvKQrW7+kVSN1K0h95rEPbKC6zp04bNK+ZqrpLwFq+VOo5 c1NA== h6mr12682388qgh.49.1409876793603; Thu, 04 Sep 2014 17:26:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.96.216.202 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Sep 2014 17:26:33 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 17:26:33 -0700 From: Sujit Roy To: Dean Tetterton Cc: " List" Subject: Re: [TR] Stag parts needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Dean, I would be interested. I have an automatic. BTW I find most US atag owners join the stag digest. or trumphstag.net Regards, Sujit On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 7:04 AM, Dean Tetterton wrote: > I am sure this is a strange request for STAG parts. I need a > block with main caps and crankshaft. Nothing else, no rods/pistons, > heads, etc. They also don't need to be useable parts. Can have bad > bores, crank journals, broken. Also need flywheel or flex plate. Adapter > plates to transmission manual and automatic. > > I am working on a plan to install a 5 speed gearbox in a Stag and need > these parts for measuring and to mock up the fitting. Would like to do > a 4 speed conversion first and then tackle a conversion of an automatic. > > If you have anything connect me direct and we will work out something. > > Would also like to know if there are any Stag owners that would be > interested in such a package if I can keep the cost reasonable. > > Dean T. > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphstag@gmail.com > -- Sujit Roy, Realtor Cupertino, CA (408) 839-8359 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 4 18:28:30 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C0A02584B7C for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2014 18:28:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f178.google.com (mail-qc0-f178.google.com [209.85.216.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DC1A25846C8 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2014 18:28:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qc0-f178.google.com with SMTP id x13so11382407qcv.37 for ; Thu, 04 Sep 2014 17:30:47 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=1VVqHPdNNlCMOWk/omts9XYOyiT4QXsEQqACVzxKTt4=; b=0G4Iet2U6GpMe9trH/gN3IkMvd/lQaavNUq5r+HvWK7yxF9o8BAszJUJABSnMlbZHc ZcXnXKWpRGWSbSKXNjp7MlHSqtiQtlZRUOz7h3xmqhrBbB7JFX6g3zsDs4sTUUjoW0Ia YrIQ8IddsTGgsKjohKxr4DgnGj6CTqrmzVy9mApCpk+jKZfapZkjWEc3Efa9OqFXsSGO osjM+BafprfN+m6I5SWOasAqfgh7UAhX0fKBy6sHC6zxKxSJ2lMhlK0Rdn5HjaSQcZTX o3LBrQikUATTOTvXYkBpjsbdLedngPzXkrKm4WTLayK6mAsA38xLhwTJu8TMeb31DdfH nTAA== m1mr13714613qas.0.1409877047168; Thu, 04 Sep 2014 17:30:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.96.216.202 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Sep 2014 17:30:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 17:30:47 -0700 From: Sujit Roy To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Any recommendations on where to get LED brake and tail lights? 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Regards, Sujit ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 4 18:44:05 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ED52258490A for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2014 18:44:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f50.google.com (mail-qa0-f50.google.com [209.85.216.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0A012580B51 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2014 18:43:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qa0-f50.google.com with SMTP id cm18so10126082qab.37 for ; Thu, 04 Sep 2014 17:46:44 -0700 (PDT) h=user-agent:date:subject:from:to:message-id:thread-topic:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=2yVid0pt/A64xJObbzFh5ZJ+RT/sfCJfj7XEEwglD6s=; b=I3XQOL5sZsFC0/pBwA4IXmk3KAdetFKUVMu/4b0Q4dRCtGQCE+3u+LG5yWc7/nCGFT KciP6/tZC7Z5iMQvrrBKBlnbYWHNqCrOkM5PB6bpaCRMBtraazeHU8MXHK7aDGDmG5z4 YtZ0DpAx7QGQR5gkiHWFBt3znccWafTg2HYRiARoZ0Kp/0paBeIo6ocKUXluklNnboDn AOb6OhHCN+lU+GI2lObK9a1ejsOhzTC1J2ymZjJzNX3EDWDImWdBV1bp64fecskug9dl A3ja8oiAQnNncHzuqPKbGCNxxoErM+zKdNZ7gPPzUU1y5zNFN0aXxg2/3xr+ZOWY7fCx SwNQ== n2mr13380358qaf.87.1409878004519; Thu, 04 Sep 2014 17:46:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.8] (68-189-241-246.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com. [68.189.241.246]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id v90sm535805qge.31.2014.09.04.17.46.41 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 04 Sep 2014 17:46:43 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.4.3.140616 Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2014 20:46:36 -0400 From: Thomas Boggiano To: Sujit Roy , Triumphs Thread-Topic: [TR] Any recommendations on where to get LED brake and tail lights? References: Subject: Re: [TR] Any recommendations on where to get LED brake and tail lights? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I used http://www.classicautoleds.com/ When I changed mine over Tom On 9/4/14, 8:30 PM, "Sujit Roy" wrote: >for LBCs? >Regards, Sujit > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tboggiano@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 4 19:02:44 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB06D25844CE for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2014 19:02:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta21.charter.net (mta21.charter.net [216.33.127.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8649B25844B3 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2014 19:02:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20140905010520.USGJ9941.mta21.charter.net@imp09>; Thu, 4 Sep 2014 21:05:20 -0400 Received: from mtaout002.msg.strl.va.charter.net ([68.114.190.27]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id nD5L1o0050buw5Q05D5L0W; Thu, 04 Sep 2014 21:05:20 -0400 Received: from impout003 ([68.114.189.18]) by mtaout002.msg.strl.va.charter.net (InterMail vM.9.00.013.00 201-2473-140) with ESMTP id <20140905010520.LJSP15222.mtaout002.msg.strl.va.charter.net@impout003>; Thu, 4 Sep 2014 20:05:20 -0500 Received: from UserPC ([68.191.49.60]) by impout003 with charter.net id nD5L1o00H1HvRt801D5LSJ; Thu, 04 Sep 2014 20:05:20 -0500 a=0XvWQ/Ro/I08oZQvByVktA==:117 a=0XvWQ/Ro/I08oZQvByVktA==:17 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=1CSPOjJKfgMA:10 a=jerCFv5cGZsA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=cTr6bwdcAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=6W2x1xVdcYRL7SRugMsA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=psXREZS0v_AA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 From: "Alex&Janet Thomson" To: "'Sujit Roy'" , "'Triumphs'" References: Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 21:05:16 -0400 Thread-Index: AQLE90xM8u9zd+uISs2eazLjr4EHpJoHW7xg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Any recommendations on where to get LED brake and tail lights? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Try http://www.litezupp.com/ Simply purchasing bubble packed items at a chain auto parts store doesn't always work that well. Alex Thomson -----Original Message----- From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Sujit Roy Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2014 8:31 PM To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Any recommendations on where to get LED brake and tail lights? for LBCs? Regards, Sujit ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/aljlthomson@charter.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 4 20:47:47 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAE2A2585049 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2014 20:47:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A839C258053B for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2014 20:47:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [24.94.14.18] ([24.94.14.18:1730] helo=JohnnieD) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id DB/D5-11666-EC429045; Fri, 05 Sep 2014 02:49:51 +0000 From: "John & Pat Donnelly" To: "'D&BLambert'" , References: <20140903203204.0WRGB.99020.root@cdptpa-web11> <5CB60884FBBF42389D94644E1A0ADD37@Lambert1> Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 19:49:39 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac/HtiGtMXOFdX1mQYCOmGHJbjltMwATjMYAACFzcYAACj+UIA== Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR2/3 - gearshift vibration Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hmmm... I have the HVDA conversion and I get the rattle, so not sure if the pear shaped weight does much good. The ball end of shifter shaft has a little ball and spring in it that's, as I understand it, put there to reduce the rattles. Mine doesn't do it all the time, mostly when just cruising at constant speed. It's annoying now that I've got most of the other 100+ rattles out. Johnnie '67 TR4A IRS > -----Original Message----- > From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > D&BLambert > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2014 3:12 PM > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [TR] TR2/3 - gearshift vibration > > I've also been battling the vibrating/rattling gearshift lever on my TR3A for some > time now. A few years ago (maybe 20K miles) I replaced the driveshaft u-joints > and had the shaft balanced. Some months ago I got a copy of the Service Bulletin > (mine is a little different than the one Randal > posted) concerning gearshift rattles and performed the recommendations: I > enlarged the trapezoid hole in the lever cap, and also tried the short piece of rubber > tubing on the lever, neither of which made a bit of difference, except for making it > much more difficult to shift into reverse. I've machined some shims/buffers out of > Delrin for under the cap to prevent metal to metal contact in that area. No luck. I > tried a stiffer/weaker gear lever spring. No difference. I tried hollowing out the > gearshift knob and epoxying in a metal slug for dampening, again no luck. On that > note, I have tried at least 4 different gear shift knobs (including an original hard > rubber one) with no change in the vibration. The vibration and resultant > chatter/rattle is much more sever when accelerating. I'm now into the habit of > steering with one hand and holding the gear lever with the other to somewhat > dampen the rattle. I'm kind of out of ideas, so I am following this thread closely. > Anyone have any other ideas? Is the torpedo-shaped counter weight available > anywhere? Does it really do anything? Couldn't I just make one out of a slug of > steel and fab a bracket of some sort, or does it have to be a certain weight to > cancel a specific harmonic? I dunno.... > Any suggestions? Perhaps I need to revisit the driveshaft/u-joints? > Thanks for wading through this. > Dennis > > > > > > There is a service bulletin (which > > > I don't seem to have handy, will try to post tonight) about putting > > > a piece of rubber hose on the shift lever inside the spring. > > > > Found it, finally. > > http://goo.gl/Hpn6Rb > > > > > They also tried adding a brace (later on, TR4A > > > maybe) to the top cover, and even a rubber-mounted counterweight on > > > some models. > > > > According to the TR4 SPC, the brace was all TR4 (although there were > > two different versions); the counterweight only gearbox CT17815 > > through CT35719. > > > > Randall > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pdonnel1@san.rr.com --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 4 22:07:11 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFD8B2584603 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2014 22:07:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa09-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa09-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.235]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6FEE2580876 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2014 22:07:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 370Z ([76.184.172.222]) by p3plsmtpa09-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id nG9l1o00C4oFfFQ01G9mT5; Thu, 04 Sep 2014 21:09:47 -0700 From: "dave n" To: "'Triumphs'" References: <003801cfc8a5$746997f0$5d3cc7d0$@charter.net> Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 23:09:26 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Any recommendations on where to get LED brake and tail lights? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net +1 -----Original Message----- From: Alex&Janet Thomson Sent: Thursday, September 4, 2014 8:05 PM To: 'Sujit Roy' ; 'Triumphs' Subject: Re: [TR] Any recommendations on where to get LED brake and tail lights? Try http://www.litezupp.com/ Simply purchasing bubble packed items at a chain auto parts store doesn't always work that well. Alex Thomson -----Original Message----- From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Sujit Roy Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2014 8:31 PM To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Any recommendations on where to get LED brake and tail lights? for LBCs? Regards, Sujit ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 5 09:43:01 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3360925847EA for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2014 09:43:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 037BF25845F8 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2014 09:31:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.43]) by qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id nSeq1o0020vp7WLA4TaCPh; Fri, 05 Sep 2014 15:34:12 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.196.165.168]) by omta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id nTaA1o00N3eKESF8RTaBqK; Fri, 05 Sep 2014 15:34:11 +0000 From: Bud R Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 09:34:10 -0600 To: triumph list s=q20140121; t=1409931252; bh=azZ7JtVLv5NALI2cwQ38Vf1/GGnNPzGbk9zHnMxNcqg=; h=Received:Received:From:Content-Type:Date:Subject:To:Message-Id: Mime-Version; b=jZV1gbh2sWk5XlJsJTRTGKRg1rP2Sq906RB92Be9agXguCX1mePdlcOGOJOJMENVR CJpGkyMyMD8zswJsRJW8Dia6rjgxXm2w3QmJzEQ+w/DJyAf0ASx/Pu9sEh/i+OYad3 siZDnfhUFk6o6oLr1TY9dIgzxvsMSOr4Fv6pq7+imxY5w1bIwgcC18ILq822/nVZWk KWTaNV6oR+s41fQTb3Sq5uoRMlOll+DUw4s3tB9rvxDHCEkoknuDThBLSGoAd2EEVw 167n1Au45mncau32/u1tfdLDrNorZm435o4/6kp9Odqpal+PeeoHNT0KTQnC/F1Xhb ewFzbsMpyjKzg== Subject: [TR] Off to VTR Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Got the wheel bearings checked, the manifold nuts tightened, and topped off the carb dampers, so its off to VTR 2014 in Dobson, NC. Looks like around 3200 miles to there and back to Denver. Should be fun. Brad Kahler and I are going to caravan on Tuesday from his house in Kentucky. See you all in NC. Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 5 10:44:22 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 594C82584C3E for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2014 10:44:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com [17.158.236.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53191258467E for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2014 10:43:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (96-41-146-193.dhcp.mdfd.or.charter.com [96.41.146.193]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.10(7.0.4.27.9) 64bit (built Jun 6 2014)) with ESMTPSA id <0NBF008AET9FBW00@nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Fri, 05 Sep 2014 16:46:32 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.12.52,1.0.27,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-09-05_03:2014-09-05,2014-09-05,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1402240000 definitions=main-1409050178 From: Jeffrey Gayton Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 09:46:27 -0700 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Removing TR4 Gearbox Filler Plug Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Greetings. Please forgive the newbie mechanical question, but Im having a devil of a time removing the gearbox filler plug on my TR4. I just cant get enough purchase with my square wrench. Every time I try to turn it, it slips off. Please dont tell me I have to remove go in from the top! Thanks. -- Jeff ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 5 10:59:29 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F9C12584C31 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2014 10:59:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f177.google.com (mail-vc0-f177.google.com [209.85.220.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E29A9258468F for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2014 10:59:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f177.google.com with SMTP id hq11so12668480vcb.36 for ; Fri, 05 Sep 2014 10:02:07 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=kG7LoEQisSc7ftoMC5wfRlVVr77A3GelvUKVzguOMK0=; b=Wl9yRRHM3c9q99uKGGySWMU16VDIh4aWSrx4gafUsNsCZDcKrXsFOSHZA2uprTjMBg BazdfrZCMVMCxhgoTSEiGvyqRO31A1ZA3O5glopwOi0l7RUwAMDJndQ2JvcXDNA4iNZw 1+VrdE9iN1D2eCKvgDHjdU3sg9Q7aW/B+Q9iLALpxcbMqgWdgqTV+V49m1f7jnjwkKGM 1NOO5LWtF1p8TatAEz7ZG7+d7Y4C9r9P4+5uXcS+lwfcC1HIe1Bes0pE8+XvsnjXhzDv uEgy3/yqdN31kILmBrE7FT7kpDOhKnHw2JIG5rXpUc/szodAJG7hKKTM203rlL74E9+t wEbA== kx5mr2496148vdb.40.1409936527834; Fri, 05 Sep 2014 10:02:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.27.99 with HTTP; Fri, 5 Sep 2014 10:02:07 -0700 (PDT) References: <1B5B68C7-C93A-4843-A84C-326737A7D22C@icloud.com> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 10:02:07 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Jeffrey Gayton Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Removing TR4 Gearbox Filler Plug Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Jeff - Are you using one of these? http://www.mossmotors.com/Graphics/Products/Large/386-190_1.jpg Or an 8-point 7/16" socket? Either of those are pretty good, an open end wrench is not so good. if you are using one of the good wrenches and the plug is just too knackered to remove -- I recall some have drilled thru the plug sideway to insert a metal shaft to lever it loose. Geo On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 9:46 AM, Jeffrey Gayton wrote: > Greetings. Please forgive the newbie mechanical question, but I m having a > devil of a time removing the gearbox filler plug on my TR4. I just can t > get > enough purchase with my square wrench. Every time I try to turn it, it > slips > off. Please don t tell me I have to remove go in from the top! > > Thanks. > > -- Jeff > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 5 11:13:51 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D0C42584C4F for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2014 11:13:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from gproxy3-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy3-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.30.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D0ECA258467E for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2014 11:05:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 8448 invoked by uid 0); 5 Sep 2014 17:08:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw3) (10.0.90.84) by gproxy3.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2014 17:08:41 -0000 Received: from just64.justhost.com ([173.254.28.64]) by cmgw3 with id nb8a1o00i1NzpT901b8dBz; Fri, 05 Sep 2014 17:08:40 -0600 a=vuSASFU9Tp3ZfMgjgJIBGg==:117 a=odl247kEqGQQ9keRrYGJ4A==:17 a=BY8XqHikAAAA:8 a=f5113yIGAAAA:8 a=D_2dd1ldzWQA:10 a=fjXqcXzG5pAA:10 a=yKqyAkVeGwwA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=dKaUxyAQAAAA:8 a=PqYVp9QRvtMA:10 a=yssFK_F_BEgA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=PWVBiDOPvCZ-qtTLL6IA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=E3LtK94QmHYA:10 Received: from [173.31.234.34] (port=52076 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1XPwzz-00011G-MS; Fri, 05 Sep 2014 11:08:35 -0600 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 12:08:29 -0500 To: Jeffrey Gayton ,triumphs@autox.team.net From: Tony Drews References: <1B5B68C7-C93A-4843-A84C-326737A7D22C@icloud.com> {sentby:smtp auth 173.31.234.34 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [TR] Removing TR4 Gearbox Filler Plug Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net You "just" need more leverage. Those seem much easier to tighten than to loosen. If you can slip a piece of tubing over the wrench to make it longer, that might do the trick. Or if you have a crescent wrench that's longer than the square end wrench, that may work to get it to move. Of course, make sure you're really turning in the "loosen" direction or it makes things worse. :) BTDT - good luck! Tony Drews At 11:46 AM 9/5/2014, Jeffrey Gayton wrote: >Greetings. Please forgive the newbie mechanical question, but Im having a >devil of a time removing the gearbox filler plug on my TR4. I just cant get >enough purchase with my square wrench. Every time I try to turn it, it slips >off. Please dont tell me I have to remove go in from the top! > >Thanks. > >-- Jeff > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tony@tonydrews.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 5 11:46:23 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC4EF2584C22 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2014 11:46:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AE00258071F for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2014 11:45:45 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge01 smtp.user=dmericas@austin.rr.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [69.21.2.140] ([69.21.2.140:57743] helo=[10.32.153.56]) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id 5C/7D-03661-E67F9045; Fri, 05 Sep 2014 17:48:31 +0000 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 12:48:30 -0500 From: Dean Mericas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: Triumphs List References: Subject: Re: [TR] TR2/3 - gearshift vibration Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net FWIW, I found a dampening weight on eBay some years ago and installed it on my TR4. It may have dampened the rattle a little, but it still makes the noise when accelerating. Dean 1965 TR4 On 9/4/2014 4:11 PM, D&B Lambert wrote: >> >I've also been battling the vibrating/rattling gearshift lever on my TR3A >> >for some time now. A few years ago (maybe 20K miles) I replaced the >> >driveshaft u-joints and had the shaft balanced. Some months ago I got a >> >copy of the Service Bulletin (mine is a little different than the one Randal >> >posted) concerning gearshift rattles and performed the recommendations: I >> >enlarged the trapezoid hole in the lever cap, and also tried the short piece >> >of rubber tubing on the lever, neither of which made a bit of difference, >> >except for making it much more difficult to shift into reverse. I've >> >machined some shims/buffers out of Delrin for under the cap to prevent metal >> >to metal contact in that area. No luck. I tried a stiffer/weaker gear >> >lever spring. No difference. I tried hollowing out the gearshift knob and >> >epoxying in a metal slug for dampening, again no luck. On that note, I have >> >tried at least 4 different gear shift knobs (including an original hard >> >rubber one) with no change in the vibration. The vibration and resultant >> >chatter/rattle is much more sever when accelerating. I'm now into the habit >> >of steering with one hand and holding the gear lever with the other to >> >somewhat dampen the rattle. I'm kind of out of ideas, so I am following >> >this thread closely. Anyone have any other ideas? Is the torpedo-shaped >> >counter weight available anywhere? Does it really do anything? Couldn't I >> >just make one out of a slug of steel and fab a bracket of some sort, or does >> >it have to be a certain weight to cancel a specific harmonic? I dunno.... >> >Any suggestions? Perhaps I need to revisit the driveshaft/u-joints? >> >Thanks for wading through this. >> >Dennis ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 5 11:59:43 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D26CD2584C16 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2014 11:59:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from gproxy8-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy8-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [67.222.33.93]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8DE1A258074C for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2014 11:56:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 2301 invoked by uid 0); 5 Sep 2014 17:59:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw4) (10.0.90.85) by gproxy8.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2014 17:59:31 -0000 Received: from just64.justhost.com ([173.254.28.64]) by cmgw4 with id nbzQ1o00D1NzpT901bzT5U; Fri, 05 Sep 2014 17:59:30 -0600 a=vuSASFU9Tp3ZfMgjgJIBGg==:117 a=odl247kEqGQQ9keRrYGJ4A==:17 a=BY8XqHikAAAA:8 a=f5113yIGAAAA:8 a=D_2dd1ldzWQA:10 a=fjXqcXzG5pAA:10 a=yKqyAkVeGwwA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=dKaUxyAQAAAA:8 a=PqYVp9QRvtMA:10 a=yssFK_F_BEgA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=S8yeK2v8moPrQi-pDvQA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=E3LtK94QmHYA:10 Received: from [173.31.234.34] (port=52792 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1XPxnB-0002TM-DN; Fri, 05 Sep 2014 11:59:25 -0600 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 12:59:18 -0500 To: Jeffrey Gayton ,triumphs@autox.team.net From: Tony Drews References: <1B5B68C7-C93A-4843-A84C-326737A7D22C@icloud.com> <20140905171348.B6E092584C39@autox.team.net> {sentby:smtp auth 173.31.234.34 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [TR] Removing TR4 Gearbox Filler Plug Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sorry, misread the original message. What Brad said. Tony At 12:08 PM 9/5/2014, Tony Drews wrote: >You "just" need more leverage. Those seem much easier to tighten >than to loosen. If you can slip a piece of tubing over the wrench >to make it longer, that might do the trick. Or if you have a >crescent wrench that's longer than the square end wrench, that may >work to get it to move. Of course, make sure you're really turning >in the "loosen" direction or it makes things worse. :) > >BTDT - good luck! > >Tony Drews > >At 11:46 AM 9/5/2014, Jeffrey Gayton wrote: >>Greetings. Please forgive the newbie mechanical question, but Im having a >>devil of a time removing the gearbox filler plug on my TR4. I just cant get >>enough purchase with my square wrench. Every time I try to turn it, it slips >>off. Please dont tell me I have to remove go in from the top! >> >>Thanks. >> >>-- Jeff >> >>** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >> >>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>Unsubscribe/Manage: >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tony@tonydrews.com > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tony@tonydrews.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 5 13:01:17 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADF872584C45 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2014 13:01:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4E412580831 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2014 12:50:13 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=rmi.net; b=U/yaPABXnekt/lCzckSmEB4bDOPllXPHUlFDfoXgOV4a5qKtjjwBN00e7V/4Hh2j; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [24.145.250.109] (helo=[192.168.1.104]) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1XPyd0-0003dw-Jr for triumphs@autox.team.net; Fri, 05 Sep 2014 14:52:58 -0400 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 13:53:01 -0500 From: Pat Fischer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Enkei wheel caps needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello, listers! Writing to ask you help in finding an early 80s era wheel cap for the Enkei 92 series mags on my TR250. They're black, about 3" in diameter where they snap into the wheel center hole, Have the "ENKEI" logo in the middle, and they hang on (when they do) somewhat loosely. And you can just imagine that one of mine let go on the way home from the South Central Regional VTR. Enkei is remaking a wheel they call the 92 series, but the new caps are smaller. Any advice/assistance in replacing this antique is appreciated. TIA. Pat Fischer ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 5 13:02:19 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 721A625856C9 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2014 13:02:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f175.google.com (mail-lb0-f175.google.com [209.85.217.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 048802580831 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2014 12:58:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f175.google.com with SMTP id u10so14261067lbd.34 for ; Fri, 05 Sep 2014 12:01:35 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=2DFMgHSAJb5lCxiFUwqF6KPISSYcPLyQYqRLPftLDaM=; b=0L/OMAyUTZquY5mBmakzFfgEkRJq3hmGPJXnfUvEkUXkoQ1Cio9odLJb2AEABdmpG1 kOQjxHTs96oAKqgU5Uj6fV4WAt42ZKUcAsLBeQwAXBg5261zGckZzhjA1+LhZAb9Xh6j IytVvX+1Dv1Azllbmu1gv++H9HzqBVsqATo5VJCuFIqQpny/Sl3LguW5CxoPAvtnl2IZ JqbEh4uizBcIVSUokjEQxZaB2c4uERaxF6ghsQ60bleDg5K27UJncR1453Olu3Ht82L8 9Z7qeY11OcZDjK+M+o7yd1cX7inAfjDZddzFaPqfqoejuZAv7Poryc25XpNIhACgNfYl 7wAA== cj6mr13882205lad.34.1409943695389; Fri, 05 Sep 2014 12:01:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.127.9 with HTTP; Fri, 5 Sep 2014 12:01:35 -0700 (PDT) References: <749C0766-B34F-4843-B9EE-BB7B30564FB2@comcast.net> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 14:01:35 -0500 From: Philip Ethier To: Bud R Cc: triumph list Subject: Re: [TR] Off to VTR Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Bud R wrote: > Got the wheel bearings checked Is that important? The wheel didn't fall off of my TR4 until I was coming back from VTR... ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 5 13:16:32 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58A5E2585691 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2014 13:16:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46853258465B for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2014 13:06:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta16.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.72]) by qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id nWTl1o0011ZMdJ4AEX93ry; Fri, 05 Sep 2014 19:09:03 +0000 Received: from [IPv6:2601:1:9700:2f1:4c5f:560b:e86c:c6f7] ([IPv6:2601:1:9700:2f1:4c5f:560b:e86c:c6f7]) by omta16.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id nX921o00C4mjC4M8cX92Hp; Fri, 05 Sep 2014 19:09:03 +0000 References: <749C0766-B34F-4843-B9EE-BB7B30564FB2@comcast.net> From: Bud R Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 13:09:01 -0600 To: Philip Ethier s=q20140121; t=1409944143; bh=+/506N1EixHR9lMdufqIiMaz81olf2lCnoN8J7L/S2M=; h=Received:Received:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-Id:From: Subject:Date:To; b=vRiGnAhXSWfQ2Hn4jPsjVLX6RqshdIf5U1D7D4OQu6SsIhkPKEM1bvFX8C5P8ursw 03tA432dSMMaGqMNjJduXr9/nSg+eqdrXBc9TeWZ3l4lowOCMoXohX7c3nLiKSu7HS fZgEQtDpO2f8Wrgt8eH4E+bNHYxAUUFoXnJx/mdsiEuTyORv2bHuUh1zQzOHELDK7K aseI1sWCuBIlNXR5iepJAUyBgrc6SKxkEaGuJ6UaZSw8vsh8gYjoHjpvCiJQykKXcG dZK/ZkqfjBOGRP6G3lWkE+Y7IOWfPnXrRremz0G4BmuUmPYdxzPj20iXptoIR2rgmq yjOtpM9wnwMCQ== Cc: triumph list Subject: Re: [TR] Off to VTR Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net It was important this time as I found a cotter pin broken and ready to fall out and let the nut back off at what no doubt be a bad time, not that there's a good time. Sent from my iPad > On Sep 5, 2014, at 1:01 PM, Philip Ethier wrote: > > > > >> On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Bud R wrote: >> Got the wheel bearings checked > > Is that important? The wheel didn't fall off of my TR4 until I was coming back from VTR... ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 5 13:46:54 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9394925855D4 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2014 13:46:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm26-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm26-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.119]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29CCB2580777 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2014 13:44:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.226.177] by nm26.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2014 19:47:21 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.161] by tm12.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2014 19:47:21 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1062.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Sep 2014 19:47:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 77331 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Sep 2014 19:47:21 -0000 s=s1024; t=1409946441; bh=4ASu07mQAV8nJnmwj9Gr9mpr5cn+EdxsCbsLW2y1dlA=; h=References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=MiY+D5WxPzCmOZTlc2GF641Wl/hr27pqyrfCXz7++A/85QmdYjzMjDwYp7FLb+gRMZ6FKYGvKq8YamGJczLxmAmPyAHH/kN3ub1TluFiCOD+Q+KkCaDYLWiMZbnvQ+DJ4dRgdtcOwF5+Gk/yk0SHd5PsddctIbXfZcNGxR1eKXo= 6lpyW4H8aVE5Juhk3IvXZ0DUwoMvHtdfRaxIJtzTRoDek8hl8YYnBpIKg8mM S.WUaDKbi7.UKg3L9H0jowMK1s_jEpt6_gYowYs_YdIBGZLQ8Dtd0pUtWokI Kw5CiAf1uIb8i7NuPCEUEZFtqrFwSbKtNQ7_xq3LyR8f_4oj1DpCsmIRTGHA rIOUT7oARowy8fnA2rCgEwrgoMbPWH_5D56XIIz2XNLR90IkZ4LJsSEulUON .TrJ3.JADeRNHvkwQiLDKhGS5ZzM7aL5kjRVlra_zmzXmv2InfK5DNv9d7f6 X7BHjVPlq_H6Y_ycLWnrsuDcTvuM7__XLR3vgWsI_1T2pRfyDMd8oxBSwNim DyKqBXofZEQ8IHtC9VPOugJzlYRBY24jtlB1B.yuNV4ARRU3wS7c.1ftmDEV YOLQq5bLxRZQmjD8y7JYPI8Mxlfds8NH7gtVEou_wRNsa5WtTqJAtGJcsK1d ncx_xQ95S_ZFH3iadAXyNC5dLwSvuVnoowIqZjlvdjIIV7LCGNwsa870G3GD kM9l9C_P1ax6XbGh9V0FqJAx3Qk.VazFbqiDMAA3H5P7Lq349Ft1z8JZugWV Zo3W.O03TVoHowCkaULU_I6HyzqSdM7l082M3yUuhYWwsfejui41OQCOPPl1 BnkQ3PI0iEB6pAPApwP2I8Lq8LzSvLsCUUni1.avoIKkE1wr5XRhUS1u80Z7 9grEOG7pIL78yGBpRDRsqgmEQig-- Received: from [40.141.127.54] by web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 05 Sep 2014 12:47:20 PDT UGF0LQogCkNoZWNrIHRoaXMgb25lIG91dCBvbiBlYmF5Li4uICBFbmtlaSBQdXNoLUluIENlbnRlciBDYXAgKDE3NTApIEJsYWNrCgogCiAgCiAKIAogCiAKIApFbmtlaSBQdXNoLUluIENlbnRlciBDYXAgKDE3NTApIEJsYWNrClVTICQyOS45OSBVc2VkIGluIGVCYXkgTW90b3JzLCBQYXJ0cyAmIEFjY2Vzc29yaWVzLCBDYXIgJiBUcnVjayBQYXJ0cyAgClZpZXcgb24gd3d3LmViYXkuY29tIFByZXZpZXcgYnkgWWFob28gIAogCiAKQ2hhZCBpbiBUdWxzYQogIAoKCk9uIEZyaWRheSwgU2VwdGVtYmVyIDUsIDIBMAEBAQE- References: <540A068D.3010706@rmi.net> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 12:47:20 -0700 From: Chad To: Pat Fischer , Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Enkei wheel caps needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Pat- Check this one out on ebay... Enkei Push-In Center Cap (1750) Black Enkei Push-In Center Cap (1750) Black US $29.99 Used in eBay Motors, Parts & Accessories, Car & Truck Parts View on www.ebay.com Preview by Yahoo Chad in Tulsa On Friday, September 5, 2014 2:03 PM, Pat Fischer wrote: Hello, listers! Writing to ask you help in finding an early 80s era wheel cap for the Enkei 92 series mags on my TR250. They're black, about 3" in diameter where they snap into the wheel center hole, Have the "ENKEI" logo in the middle, and they hang on (when they do) somewhat loosely. And you can just imagine that one of mine let go on the way home from the South Central Regional VTR. Enkei is remaking a wheel they call the 92 series, but the new caps are smaller. Any advice/assistance in replacing this antique is appreciated. TIA. Pat Fischer ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 5 14:17:28 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 269082584C69 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2014 14:17:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D03F258086C for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2014 14:15:41 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=rmi.net; b=qjWN0nEUbe80pB0gLJQ+hbDxWvWo/TLHrnorqIX4pJdqBciemSPPYuCrkKsv0xVO; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [24.145.250.109] (helo=[192.168.1.104]) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1XPzxX-0002oC-RG; Fri, 05 Sep 2014 16:18:16 -0400 Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 15:18:18 -0500 From: Pat Fischer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: Chad , Triumphs References: <540A068D.3010706@rmi.net> <1409946440.73492.YahooMailNeo@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [TR] Enkei wheel caps needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thank you, but that is not the center I need. See attached. Center hub image On 9/5/2014 2:47 PM, Chad wrote: > Pat- > Check this one out on ebay... Enkei Push-In Center Cap (1750) Black > > > image > > > > > > > Enkei Push-In Center Cap (1750) Black > > > US $29.99 Used in eBay Motors, Parts & Accessories, Car & Truck Parts > > View on www.ebay.com > > > Preview by Yahoo > > Chad in Tulsa > > > On Friday, September 5, 2014 2:03 PM, Pat Fischer > wrote: > > > Hello, listers! Writing to ask you help in finding an early 80s era > wheel cap for the Enkei 92 series mags on my TR250. They're black, about > 3" in diameter where they snap into the wheel center hole, Have the > "ENKEI" logo in the middle, and they hang on (when they do) somewhat > loosely. And you can just imagine that one of mine let go on the way > home from the South Central Regional VTR. > > Enkei is remaking a wheel they call the 92 series, but the new caps are > smaller. > > Any advice/assistance in replacing this antique is appreciated. TIA. > > Pat Fischer > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumph74tr6@yahoo.com > > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4015/8160 - Release Date: 09/05/14 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 5 15:02:55 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A89F2584D25 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2014 15:02:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173023pub.verizon.net (vms173023pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.23]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49DB42584C32 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2014 14:53:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.6] ([unknown] [74.96.248.161]) by vms173023.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0NBG0061A4U50X10@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Fri, 05 Sep 2014 15:56:30 -0500 (CDT) References: From: Martin Secrest Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 16:56:29 -0400 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] TR6 Strange Front End Noise Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net My Tr6 has been making a strange noise for a while now, coming from the front end while going over bumps. It is kind of a "racking" noise - I don't know how to explain it better than that. Sounds like metal on metal, and seems to go away after a while. Nothing visibly wrong with what I can see up front. Any ideas? Martin Secrest Arlington VA ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 5 16:06:11 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 925632584D6F for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2014 16:06:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d03.mx.aol.com (omr-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.200]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 654FD2580808 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2014 16:05:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mba02.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mba02.mx.aol.com [172.26.133.112]) by omr-d03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 9E6FE702F98CC; Fri, 5 Sep 2014 18:08:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mob004c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mob004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.194.205]) by mtaomg-mba02.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 2EC0938000082; Fri, 5 Sep 2014 18:08:11 -0400 (EDT) References: To: moira.secrest@verizon.net, triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Received: from 10.74.0.26 by webmail-va089.sysops.aol.com (149.174.99.74) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 05 Sep 2014 18:08:11 -0400 Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 18:08:11 -0400 x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20140625; t=1409954891; bh=rt2Zuk5XcRRyG0PZ807A8whvIBmsn895z4gfnC0+M1I=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=IuZA+9iD2BJzyoSSrJ45K3+WgWes/xMsUJEpKbk+kufiXxP3PDl8yCDInFFwWQTry 5H81pgFZvzdpLdXKlG/z/wV7PrV0vEthOOBCSzT2XEk8ATg7z9MDNG+Pan9C17wPv9 Y/33UE0Jbl8/+DBfPMOyaSQ0MbiYjuXOuTCfCcB8= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1a8570540a344b0c81 Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Strange Front End Noise Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Take a close look at the frame in the area where the front suspension attaches. When my car started making those kinds of noises the frame was cracking. Jus' sayin' Dave -----Original Message----- From: Martin Secrest My Tr6 has been making a strange noise for a while now, coming from the front end while going over bumps. It is kind of a "racking" noise - I don't know how to explain it better than that. Sounds like metal on metal, and seems to go away after a while. Nothing visibly wrong with what I can see up front. Any ideas? Martin Secrest Arlington VA ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 5 16:19:02 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 506C22584D80 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2014 16:19:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0D7F2584600 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2014 16:11:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.36]) by qmta12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id na0h1o0040mv7h05CaE6hu; Fri, 05 Sep 2014 22:14:06 +0000 Received: from resmail-ch2-463v.sys.comcast.net ([162.150.49.242]) by omta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id naE51o00o5DXkUJ3XaE59G; Fri, 05 Sep 2014 22:14:06 +0000 Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 22:14:05 +0000 (UTC) From: terryrs@comcast.net To: Martin Secrest References: (Win)/8.0.3_GA_5664) Thread-Topic: TR6 Strange Front End Noise Thread-Index: DZOgu4qf6YcKC0W/Hg3ckX83MnrtZQ== s=q20140121; t=1409955246; bh=/84ou07JVv03Nc1pNpobMljbcZJgHTvlRPxfzSMt/0I=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=gh/s6F7AAzVoG7GvnOhkKsjNwM4+sLJ56BSo+Y+tlyE+SK+CpML477mvozktVgpnT zMoPyZ4HAtgq9RC4dgV5BN4wxmCvJWk5m6iGcRiKMPIB7W3CMR/9MuY1HCnf7mzoGu GkPpj3Hi1zFAmMMjzXZf4ukK5+/6n9LqofrS1d6RB+39zGiULMqemF6iEMbNm/f1y0 P+AEmGULKTqqpvjeQ9G9MlzMfzoh0OFdSMQ/Y0cIqucsj2+SrVJPLb91d6syJRAPZJ zVs7i9atUGX2wGUO4CWymeYSBFt89PhBn84CyCklZRiJCy+nv7VDuMkq4kpFVcfyU1 WjwMF10FDrHlg== Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Strange Front End Noise Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net >My Tr6 has been making a strange noise for a while now, coming from the front >end while going over bumps. It is kind of a "racking" noise - I don't know how >to explain it better than that. Sounds like metal on metal, and seems to go >away after a while. Nothing visibly wrong with what I can see up front. Any >ideas? Hi, Martin. The only thing that's turning up front that's also subject to suspension as a variable would be either the brakes or the wheel bearings. Have you checked the wheel bearings recently? Terry Smith, '59 TR3A New Hampshire ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 5 17:35:08 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31DF22584D7F for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2014 17:35:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oi0-f51.google.com (mail-oi0-f51.google.com [209.85.218.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FAFE2584CDB for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2014 17:24:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oi0-f51.google.com with SMTP id e131so1051469oig.38 for ; Fri, 05 Sep 2014 16:27:28 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :thread-index:content-language; bh=QiiyBHhFrhwpuLRU1Z6ZUbCz5UU8rmeoH/C574sBn6E=; b=Ck0IiOH6Yoex2demM6fN5SEsSe2KlUKIUBLhmsViGGjqBcMkb4zsuEd8MaKFXvVK71 zJzgNVwcYz1Zchx674Jcm1q2Zk4g0FgbRPb3B5cA4ehOtvk8Mux8iNLId0uvNtln+C8g OeaY7/vHGt6f39jZ8mZNcBFcBadh0jUD2VnMEnGC7A3uq51RcqcOx/ON25OhcyK5ONU6 hZP2Z0ARHNCBd+Wg/oJFXoXyfrvYy7VPuAhqARb9SPKqkDcQnKThb3XRhQKnoRi8+k1m TPlxoalT9ybHtgPinbSQMt8yUQhYs1gobHzTv3OejK6yZK3M19ioenKgddSQDqqgqPhp Lbbg== cb6mr17182053oec.64.1409959648593; Fri, 05 Sep 2014 16:27:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from JamesHenningsen (ip98-180-86-175.ga.at.cox.net. [98.180.86.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id p10sm2316608obk.2.2014.09.05.16.27.26 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 05 Sep 2014 16:27:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "James Henningsen" To: Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 19:27:36 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac/JYPi4ielSW5X3RumtzGLh93ETRQ== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] Thank You! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List: Just wanted to say thank you for your tech support and parts that helped me get my TR6 back on the road for VTR 2014! The original tired engine is back in the car after an 11 year hibernation in a crate. Runs surprisingly well, but burps, hiccups, belches, and spews from most orifices J I just need it to run for the week up in NC. Ready for a hill climb and autocross along with all the other great events scheduled. I look forward to seeing folks in Dobson! I'm in the Yellow Hardtop TR6 from Florida. Cheers, Jim Henningsen Ocala, FL 62 TR4 x2 75 Tr6 68 Land Rover 88 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 5 18:20:18 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 791AE2584CDB for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2014 18:20:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yk0-f178.google.com (mail-yk0-f178.google.com [209.85.160.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAEEC25808F3 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2014 18:14:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-yk0-f178.google.com with SMTP id q200so7431489ykb.23 for ; Fri, 05 Sep 2014 17:16:54 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=MDisrneE+2nH3DDrnClCOj8RhEF5P0VVp+yxB5OTbQ8=; b=JfIviadvCZFdsTEEBOwKLniuUoAR2/nUKU3SLPFRTOn9T4FczRLOdqMY45AJm+5/dT sQ5V/lNGoFG2pNIeHjsHe5ZJMkEzb86fhFc4JkfJYya9EuL97pJX+vKXdGPP3ILQSgfA AZqrJ/QtAkVWtsBnrwdrdJ5oHSpdiFNXimjpk7KVaeDEZlEaAuCNXdSYdkwvGTlmeLJ+ z520LjFCNJ0mVCiOl4gNVQ1aiUV39hzZfge/Cq0nARGW50VHD+pf9i6rxnsWMj5aCRf+ kv2DV6VXZJ82JzvCq+OHRYPchJAQtiBl3AcXaYHrKIQPUdMybzK7IR0onvCdhtDadaMn 3AVw== a46mr69836yhj.145.1409962614201; Fri, 05 Sep 2014 17:16:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.170.148.214 with HTTP; Fri, 5 Sep 2014 17:16:54 -0700 (PDT) References: <749C0766-B34F-4843-B9EE-BB7B30564FB2@comcast.net> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 20:16:54 -0400 From: darrell floyd To: Bud R Cc: triumph list Subject: Re: [TR] Off to VTR Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Happy Trails Bud, I will be leaving in the wee hours of the morning Monday with the TR7 in tow and Bob Palmer is going to follow in the TR8 under it's own power. We will switch off driving the Eight. Each have been road tested for 150 miles plus so confidence is high we won't be working on cars at the NATC. Just a little over 400 miles for us, a Easy Task! Just in case: "May the Triumph gods smile upon us all and give us good weather to travel." Cheers, Darrell On Friday, September 5, 2014, Bud R wrote: > Got the wheel bearings checked, the manifold nuts tightened, and topped off > the carb dampers, so it s off to VTR 2014 in Dobson, NC. Looks like around > 3200 miles to there and back to Denver. Should be fun. Brad Kahler and I > are > going to caravan on Tuesday from his house in Kentucky. See you all in NC. > > Bud Rolofson > > Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 > 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car) > 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle > 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tr250driver@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 5 18:37:51 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E6852584D4A for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2014 18:37:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yk0-f174.google.com (mail-yk0-f174.google.com [209.85.160.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FBE62580B37 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2014 18:37:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-yk0-f174.google.com with SMTP id 10so7484289ykt.33 for ; Fri, 05 Sep 2014 17:40:05 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=fyLNEAK0qsI3rmTC/AgtKW2UEsa9R/lWnX0k30rBJDc=; b=V2/lsK09HZsTylWxniydx+J2zQk5T/OzHvrbaYFtqH9OGrZACbP/SWP4eFInvwzZu4 ydkzHr0U4QVgfcd7bK6O9BjEiGVEpOkz9c5GyY7EWb1HLlj9suSW2fQ51gkAbqri60Z1 fy6oKLhRLl1yilVjMBoNwYMy7gPfpi24ifOkX0Q2spEjeHGNI9FZiqcybYmAva7Wjn5f M1+2OPk2TaQME7RlAofN2H7Fza1W5xihC70kWmxI93t1Dh/bYsKLcnfO70475BUQY/gP VOkgODsFGS7Peek846x7d1e/Kkz4wchJOo7FoiOl0K63OH37ZVZ3FhNX4wjyuysMKjNw esHw== v37mr18998798yhp.105.1409964005066; Fri, 05 Sep 2014 17:40:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.170.148.214 with HTTP; Fri, 5 Sep 2014 17:40:04 -0700 (PDT) References: <00b501cfc960$fb11e0d0$f135a270$@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 20:40:04 -0400 From: darrell floyd To: James Henningsen Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Thank You! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I will be on the look out 4U Jim. Darrell On Friday, September 5, 2014, James Henningsen wrote: > List: > > Just wanted to say thank you for your tech support and parts that helped me > get my TR6 back on the road for VTR 2014! The original tired engine is > back > in the car after an 11 year hibernation in a crate. Runs surprisingly > well, > but burps, hiccups, belches, and spews from most orifices J I just need it > to run for the week up in NC. Ready for a hill climb and autocross along > with all the other great events scheduled. I look forward to seeing folks > in Dobson! I'm in the Yellow Hardtop TR6 from Florida. > > Cheers, > > Jim Henningsen > > Ocala, FL > > 62 TR4 x2 > > 75 Tr6 > > 68 Land Rover 88 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tr250driver@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 5 18:51:03 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E16B22584C5A for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2014 18:51:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtpout001.mac.com [17.158.236.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A75C42580B37 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2014 18:38:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (96-41-146-193.dhcp.mdfd.or.charter.com [96.41.146.193]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.10(7.0.4.27.9) 64bit (built Jun 6 2014)) with ESMTPSA id <0NBG00CN7F8X1N50@nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 06 Sep 2014 00:41:23 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.12.52,1.0.27,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-09-06_01:2014-09-05,2014-09-05,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1402240000 definitions=main-1409060003 From: Jeffrey Gayton Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 17:41:21 -0700 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR4 Plug Removal Update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks so much to everyone to responded to my troubles. I have the tool that Geo noted, but it just slips off. The problem isnt leverage, because the wrench slips off, and the plug is actually in pretty good shape. The problem seems to be the position of the plug and the nearby flange of the gearbox. Theyre perfectly positioned to make the wrench slip off every time. My FLAPS is ordering me an 8-point socket and will have it here tomorrow. I was surprised there wasnt such a thing as a 4-point socket, though. Stay tuned, and thanks again! -- Jeff ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 5 19:06:22 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D06F2584D4A for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2014 19:06:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.232]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC9302580B37 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2014 18:54:28 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge02 smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [107.14.174.248] ([107.14.174.248:21541] helo=cdptpa-web11) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id CF/72-15705-AEB5A045; Sat, 06 Sep 2014 00:57:14 +0000 Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2014 0:57:14 +0000 From: Randall To: Jeffrey Gayton , triumphs@autox.team.net Sensitivity: Normal 2014 0:57:14 +0000 Subject: Re: [TR] Removing TR4 Gearbox Filler Plug Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Jeffrey Gayton wrote: > Greetings. Please forgive the newbie mechanical question, but Im having a > devil of a time removing the gearbox filler plug on my TR4. I just cant get > enough purchase with my square wrench. Every time I try to turn it, it slips > off. Please dont tell me I have to remove go in from the top! Go to Sears or your favorite tool supply, and pick up a 7/16" 8 point (not 12, 8) socket plus a breaker bar. Should give you plenty of leverage. If you don't have one already, also pick up a big pry bar, so you can pry between the edge of the floor and the head of the breaker bar. That will keep it from slipping off. That should give you all the torque you need, to either get it out, or twist the plug in half. If the plug twists off, I'm afraid you're going to have to remove the tunnel to get room to drill it out. Driving the car until the transmission is good and hot (or carefully supplying some heat with a heat lamp or similar) will help loosen the plug. Personally, I prefer to replace the factory plug with a hardened hex socket plug. http://goo.gl/69GQqy I get mine at http://www.mcmaster.com Some Teflon/PTFE pipe paste will help it seal and come out easier next time, too. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 6 08:02:46 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40ED92584DC8 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2014 08:02:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m10.mx.aol.com (omr-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.86]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9041C25803FC for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2014 07:55:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mbc01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mbc01.mx.aol.com [172.26.221.143]) by omr-m10.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 983CA7031E470; Sat, 6 Sep 2014 09:58:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-doe004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-doe004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.163.77]) by mtaomg-mbc01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 7282638000084; Sat, 6 Sep 2014 09:58:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Chip19474@aol.com Full-name: Chip19474 Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2014 09:58:22 -0400 To: moira.secrest@verizon.net, triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20140625; t=1410011902; bh=aSD7Ejx0igdo4atRMdq+L+oAuXceguoCeM501Vp+6YI=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=YmAHSxo1qpR4AeFwjanG8cktanZqc2JOh0e5jJ9l1g2qK16mKpgRH96p/dHDyhZbG tsw4exnfqBjHQ7ys65/hmPUXSFTDpx9pLba80JkQpZvW73afIe8iACHHofdTHNvFke JXxwwKy8UGFtb+qKHvsz+lsEjLAFnpKndHebme/0= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1add8f540b12fe252b Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Strange Front End Noise Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Martin, Many front-end noises from "bumps" can be traced to loose body/frame pieces, radiator supports, etc. Try taking a large rubber mallet and banging on the underneath suspension (not too aggressively!) and around the sway bar and bottom of radiator bracket....repeat the process with both front wheels off the ground. While the wheels are up, hit the tire on the tread with the rubber mallet. Check the front disk rotor dust shields...they can get distorted and bent towards the rotor especially down at the bottom. You didn't say what year your TR6 is but if it's an early car with rostyle wheel covers, they can create a metallic tinging noise if they don't fit tightly. good luck, Chip Krout Delaware Valley Triumphs, Ltd. Skippack, PA In a message dated 9/5/2014 5:05:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, moira.secrest@verizon.net writes: My Tr6 has been making a strange noise for a while now, coming from the front end while going over bumps. It is kind of a "racking" noise - I don't know how to explain it better than that. Sounds like metal on metal, and seems to go away after a while. Nothing visibly wrong with what I can see up front. Any ideas? Martin Secrest Arlington VA ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/chip19474@aol.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 6 08:17:47 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90F2E2584DCE for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2014 08:17:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f51.google.com (mail-pa0-f51.google.com [209.85.220.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D6AE2584D4A for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2014 08:15:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f51.google.com with SMTP id kx10so191141pab.24 for ; Sat, 06 Sep 2014 07:18:38 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=rmBiNmwxHeGEaanOdkBOLqT/EyNa8WWin+dQPtQDHfM=; b=dU9iFQRagRrC7WGvH3L8fuG4T+qUaLXMmAQqnwE/3tchtXDySKofe3Lkf06hajT6nO mPv2s2DnBN4+NZpg6jJGwS493xcLLXDy7FTbdgDEgB0obAs3AJV/V9r63M8tTGnDNq16 Bf+7horJA1DDNi8ZOsMdI8wTxJjLAN+ugZ387w10nAn9n7YK36OuB/ng656iWTZKuBoj vNMHJ1cWoz9BEEmI4tKuIPGiETr14FqURWp7cfKvgTJX0atnyw717ZUlxcRJEGBBklwF xAAsB+gFiBlxanXmvHk4Mg3x6sJirPoZEoEw3oAlT+6WJtSMed/zsPwtUCFlb9JWZQow FCtg== nz1mr4740377pbb.107.1410013118726; Sat, 06 Sep 2014 07:18:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.64.198 with HTTP; Sat, 6 Sep 2014 07:18:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2014 10:18:38 -0400 From: Brad Kahler To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Early TR4 door check straps Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The door check straps on my TR4 are the earlier flat style that have a formed loop at each end. I'm not keen on spending almost $40 each if I don't have to so I'd like to try and repair the ones I have. Would someone possibly have a picture they could send me as to what the check strap looks like on the end that goes into the door post? Or possibly a picture or two of the whole assembly? I've been searching but can't find any pictures with the details that I need. Any help would be appreciated! Brad ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 6 09:18:44 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5EAC2580946 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2014 09:18:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm16-vm7.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm16-vm7.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C6D0258076E for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2014 09:13:35 -0600 (MDT) s=s1024; t=1410016581; bh=Is9j1nifoR4RYmktPX281cvDFLXp5lPKkLxAXPTHccA=; b=Wcyn5JrJjpWyMrLhKBSQGSkFyVv5+AVIrFP+n2QCzaakVpklhtPF6FYr9Ql0BMZp/GtXUn4bHobNJSqGjuWscmt3Svpo9rZcfJfLGijzGxvXqFDbj9P/A3NnJb+Vxw3v/UMhxNKvZwqL0HwEv2rXRpI22ess7K+mFz34fh9NAMQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; b=0uYaiDrinFnY9WPIdJoD/G40J9USgITO8xMICfP+sKt3FqZfi1vQwxY/e2YkLJhTq1+YYMD0A2ilFnEUuBFp5D6be8evqRKZHK/Ljikexq7s01WOG3EBEnepB1LbY738JOzpM7yeZhrrcV0xiL32M4/PIK7civvxHtKLCNaIOhk=; Received: from [66.196.81.164] by nm16.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2014 15:16:21 -0000 Received: from [98.139.244.52] by tm10.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2014 15:16:21 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp114.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2014 15:16:21 -0000 s=s1024; t=1410016581; bh=Is9j1nifoR4RYmktPX281cvDFLXp5lPKkLxAXPTHccA=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:From:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Date:Subject:To:Message-Id:Mime-Version:X-Mailer; b=Qq3qrixziODjcIkeRhXbX3VRrfsKciJkju9sfAaPYf0/J1C/VrJFVQV4DDKgb1zPJw/9vR6l+H5JosRIH6v5+LWhBqCnhT+ptPbZCUg0qssv7ZUnJ/tGII27yWXUQ9zB1S7a66M7QQ0wzGAYXnuDlrfB1DL/XYmPId3OfAYRSFI= 9xysylWB5VeVQHcylkGuTlHCv3ukeJaCS3ATWPLzYapiu6a4v2EKeypd5GVD VIL_8YMCnEUHtMgtQeg03CHl_faG9kwHtZQdXhGjTkaQNMXmM180M0wWOK5L 9sv4goP6unziOF1aLdKvPObuSPG0nn5gdE3VBv3mw1qbOm29xglFMjyL8Qtj zOH.uXo5an5Dm0xFLlnJoSMabaZPW34Ss_WJ0Yro3i_ZrE0VZn3tfBnf_bjE f4FGlphR_AHBW1kJgCQa8EI53ok2LlGI0bXNYcOssXGbSuBEPHl.ebVuTy1z c12EWV06xKZ4iNNS2XG5krvn1Dv807RdaRlCq9_TaGH.KEkUCCoPdZImlol2 4pmhltMwmEWGvYAKICAx9GTkZmy6xb21efj1Z_cy1p7b6i8ml1TJfPVRv1nC NWiX7b.3aCFgsh9DMjch4SpjPZobuAyRUplZ7Tt9LTrc3F8kpLTjPLHmoSJ9 2ZqOD246JvhbrzeTmBENIf6TpEvRcpy1O5y5mIMgFy.U.NEYhvVczEUia2Db Itj9DZCaT7LX2Fl6QHKiHncaGXIXmWKhQpbYme3DIVbIVPI8KYLMxsVTlCsw 31fGUCptGMwSnJFEOKBzpfVr.hIsGhmC5GBZhky6aV3Lo2M5geDE08hACq9a SdALu_g-- From: Berger Bob Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2014 10:16:19 -0500 To: Triumphs Triumph , nass@yahoogroups.com Subject: [TR] Need Smiths PCV Valve Parts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm trying to rebuild a Smiths PCV Valve and need the top cover and the spring clip that holds the cover on. I have all of the rest of the parts and don't really want to have to purchase a whole new valve. These are shown greyed out at the top right side of the following link: http://www.victoriabritish.com/icatalog/sg/full.aspx?Page=71 These valves were used on GT6, TR4 & Spitfires. Please contact me direct at bberger720 at sbcglobal dot net and we can discuss payment and shipping details. Thanks Berger Bob 78 Spitfire St. Louis, MO NASS #627 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 6 09:48:58 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E8CC2584D4A for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2014 09:48:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f53.google.com (mail-pa0-f53.google.com [209.85.220.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9C45258076E for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2014 09:36:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f53.google.com with SMTP id fa1so23781123pad.26 for ; Sat, 06 Sep 2014 08:39:03 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=hhaSTPlNdFem5BzWhQDrV9VWuBI1HCHtRdZr8/GYtzo=; b=T2iGUj6gfMR6unVXiavuqra5XQV2OgUmjTR6HDVxO7XgarxzKkJhxKXyGbssLMq6t7 gB+FRGGQipgbtfyxjMG0zrOgC8uYu43gE8rBOjG6l/FcTTySHwQB0/w29CD9QsUhNG8i uRKy/hlNr0JdRy59vBOyNeuVzINJ/p3heKQ2OugQBa/+stj/n2ATkx2wpmRbcwIebupt wO3PnNlJvFCFRb3Z0uhHorWcOxNV1JuNj/jVMZzJzMq7aiQyI5vDBpr5kAqiPMr0LY4C kmyNFFGIkmbd9q24vTbY86oshUUQiie2Yu8Rep/rrw6iujxcbsT9TKX58ruLbWrdTb+t GH/g== wa12mr30147438pac.99.1410017943552; Sat, 06 Sep 2014 08:39:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.64.198 with HTTP; Sat, 6 Sep 2014 08:39:03 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2014 11:39:03 -0400 From: Brad Kahler To: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Early TR4 door check straps Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Never mind... After staring at the check strap assembly for a while I figured out what was needed to make them work. Working like a champ now :) Brad On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 10:18 AM, Brad Kahler wrote: > The door check straps on my TR4 are the earlier flat style that have a > formed loop at each end. I'm not keen on spending almost $40 each if I > don't have to so I'd like to try and repair the ones I have. > > Would someone possibly have a picture they could send me as to what the > check strap looks like on the end that goes into the door post? Or > possibly a picture or two of the whole assembly? > > I've been searching but can't find any pictures with the details that I > need. > > Any help would be appreciated! > > Brad ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 6 14:06:34 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94F4F2580980 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2014 14:06:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8991B25807AC for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2014 13:55:16 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=rmi.net; b=G250oyEvksK7K52Oe5of5jGbB34hmNQ00rAFaN/LSQw2JPP2ZHudvB76JETPuewM; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [24.145.250.109] (helo=localhost.localdomain) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1XQM7W-0002AB-9E for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 06 Sep 2014 15:58:02 -0400 Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2014 14:58:20 -0500 From: Roger Elliott User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] HS4s fuel level problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi, I have a 1980 Spitfire with dual HS4s on it. I have been having problems getting the fuel level set correctly in the carbs. The fuel in the rear jet (~.30) is way lower than the fuel ion the front jet (~.20 ) The floats are the non adjustable plastic, but I have modified the rear one so it is only about 1/16" where as the front one is closer to 3/8". I took off the lids and floats of the fuel bowls - the rear level is about .9' and the front one is 1.02". This seems like the fuel in the rear jet should be slightly higher than than the front, but is not. The jets are new as the old ones seemed to have a bit of a crimp in the line between the bowl and the jet. I used compressed air to blow through the jet and into the rear bowl. It seemed to be fine. Does any one have a suggestion of what I might be over looking? Thanks, Roger Elliott ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 6 14:37:45 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91E3E2580B0E for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2014 14:37:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C52662580861 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2014 14:37:38 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=rmi.net; b=iSgy2yUPIBEMMTNc2TouGnzx6sUAiycPgx9/+cXtlwRkPDwri5Y7TkAUHPjnGZHL; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [24.145.250.109] (helo=[192.168.1.104]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1XQMmW-0008QJ-Ap for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 06 Sep 2014 16:40:24 -0400 Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2014 15:40:26 -0500 From: Pat Fischer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: Triumphs References: <540A068D.3010706@rmi.net> Subject: Re: [TR] Enkei wheel caps needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Well, got that photo thing figured out. Here is a link to a photo of the wheel caps: http://www.kcallbritish.com/heartland/enkei_1_cap.jpg Thanks, all. Pat On 9/5/2014 1:53 PM, Pat Fischer wrote: > Hello, listers! Writing to ask you help in finding an early 80s era > wheel cap for the Enkei 92 series mags on my TR250. They're black, > about 3" in diameter where they snap into the wheel center hole, Have > the "ENKEI" logo in the middle, and they hang on (when they do) > somewhat loosely. And you can just imagine that one of mine let go on > the way home from the South Central Regional VTR. > > Enkei is remaking a wheel they call the 92 series, but the new caps > are smaller. > > Any advice/assistance in replacing this antique is appreciated. TIA. > > Pat Fischer > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pfischer@rmi.net > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4015/8160 - Release Date: 09/05/14 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 6 16:39:17 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABCAE2584DEF for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2014 16:39:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm23-vm9.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm23-vm9.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.168]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0D6C2580682 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2014 16:37:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.163] by nm23.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2014 22:40:04 -0000 Received: from [66.196.81.141] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2014 22:40:04 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1017.access.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Sep 2014 22:40:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 39462 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Sep 2014 22:40:04 -0000 s=s1024; t=1410043204; bh=7gmvhtC4Uq3DgO6rhVT25Gudo78gxKQVj1AMIEhf18U=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=pAM4cLLL32NlvuR7lbdTMzZuSOUBH0wOQuuWZKEUgocQXMqT7J9HRQkeaBx2FHRCd8k8bNSAM6vziwaiQ7vxzKke06FdI2hZkkOSDlbtXfzI1pmNAzHqh56RQ5C2VtLq85NrqoIUZGBW+CZrR3HCTQdV4Oy/MJNL8kc7QHJWq3Q= h3fdj3Bj9OuFGCHfS34__vr8IPM1sSvFy5Bpk.x9lcDVTstgYMdpsUf0PYGu evUgfII30jYeq_YHjciq7HB9_kNtkp6V7fq7sS_WuS0JBcNB0ibERBmVSqvn yVrZEOG6ociIJ8FO5v1giV3q7Sj4rsPuraGJ3KCNVk0lZWoEDpn26sKZ1JFS pQNn_AvDTEYmh2b1KpN5ld0SxV79niQ6q6wQ6ay17Fjw9DrLPuT8Acgv1vlk iXkhkFo6PirWQ1sT6CrC3zsK.9mboNCKq2uJtQSA.KGqikkPP1gu5Vkhtxr3 NjszUyTmZeqp4MNGBw1aShYgK2os5bk3j10qwzrzqjlveicuvLGq.o1KBu.V 0tWxgjgooR8AUhRy7pN1rlLIXiB05aHDWTRc5B9mUQRVUQZ_xluo3x6UVazl a72N6iGplhaoBoRRuQSPV1bcmL0si3vxE3Y.FGg7u.Keg6nZKdcCL7OkQ6qm AbU1wN9IfGlEH_wmg1fpVCV2VtUNSoom2RwjX1MH0BEBkrlqXDyuuzHC0DhE jDyYSqQ-- Received: from [71.84.105.101] by web180905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 06 Sep 2014 15:40:04 PDT ICAgICBEb2VzIGFueW9uZSBvbiB0aGUgbGlzdCBoYXZlIGEgQ0FEIG1vZGVsIG9mIGEgVFI2IG9yIFRSMyBpbiBDQUQsIHByZWZlcmFibHkgaW4gYSBDQVRJQSwgU1RQIG9yIElHUyBmaWxlIGZvcm1hdD8KCiAgICAgQmlsbCBCcmV3ZXIKICAgICBUZWhhY2hhcGksIENBCgEwAQEBAQ-- Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2014 15:40:04 -0700 From: William Brewer To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Does anyone have a TR3 or TR6 model in CAD? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Does anyone on the list have a CAD model of a TR6 or TR3 in CAD, preferably in a CATIA, STP or IGS file format? Bill Brewer Tehachapi, CA ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 6 18:10:10 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB53325809F6 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2014 18:10:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1B5525809F6 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2014 18:01:07 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=rmi.net; b=ZoJzSo+tZTiJOZ7o3IVJOdMTeSVUYWZpbYGUmp1blEzhyOpeC4KW0MR7Im7P5mCd; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [24.145.250.109] (helo=localhost.localdomain) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1XQPxR-0003Il-Fu for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 06 Sep 2014 20:03:53 -0400 Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2014 19:04:12 -0500 From: Roger Elliott User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <540B675C.2020301@rmi.net> Subject: Re: [TR] HS4s fuel level problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net More information: The carb with the highest level of fuel in the fuel bowl, has the lowest level of fuel in the jet. I have switched bowls. I moved the lids and floats from one to the other. The problem stayed with the rear carb. I weighed the floats, they are the same to the accuracy of my scale - 7 grams. I took one lid and float and moved it between the 2 carbs. The back car still had a much lower level in the jet even though it had the highest level in the bowl. When I changed bowls I made sure there was not an obstruction in the hole that the jet tubing goes into. I know the engine sits at a bit of an angle with the back being a bit lower. But it seems the carbs are create separate systems, so the fuel level should be closer between the two than what I can get. Thanks, Roger On 09/06/2014 02:58 PM, Roger Elliott wrote: > Hi, > > I have a 1980 Spitfire with dual HS4s on it. I have been having > problems getting the fuel level set correctly in the carbs. > > The fuel in the rear jet (~.30) is way lower than the fuel ion the > front jet (~.20 ) The floats are the non adjustable plastic, but I > have modified the rear one so it is only about 1/16" where as the > front one is closer to 3/8". > > I took off the lids and floats of the fuel bowls - the rear level is > about .9' and the front one is 1.02". This seems like the fuel in the > rear jet should be slightly higher than than the front, but is not. > > The jets are new as the old ones seemed to have a bit of a crimp in > the line between the bowl and the jet. I used compressed air to blow > through the jet and into the rear bowl. It seemed to be fine. > > Does any one have a suggestion of what I might be over looking? > > Thanks, > Roger Elliott > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/elliottr@rmi.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 7 07:51:17 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17B6B258468C for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2014 07:51:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm34.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm34.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.27]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A663225806C5 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2014 07:42:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] by nm34.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2014 13:45:15 -0000 Received: from [98.138.101.128] by nm34.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2014 13:42:17 -0000 Received: from [98.138.86.156] by tm16.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2014 13:42:17 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1014.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2014 13:42:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 55412 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Sep 2014 13:42:17 -0000 s=s1024; t=1410097337; bh=vX4ZyT3Uwh7U4i3EZCu9XHgeaqSbqB1E9EumOm3X2dc=; h=References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QqucnUndrXHHBViK7h6bM2wDlz5cfwjKcwYioZ4UFbyzB0bY5lx5oyy7EWtAWsI+5IahfF7YmoY86TBCsNf9cvfpJi54In+n/A8Xd/v7z/PXZPN9sdNPt+uqkupps35VqCgcXO9mJzOpaIocaTq9pu1XCsRASD6MZwwk81lvwlU= 26hGuEKGITyRhtfXAxdxb_Zl3wd7E3QgMX0n7p_SemqzzYkGHXepcP8B_eg1 UzD88Atpb5aKhGuXtEDZ2cX6hCA0k83B8AtfPOyUbq01QLIWmJntHuYDgSPC Z.ukFzVLXpWXSMEh38mpolKPYvHgqzC5iDBpo9_a4sD.QjyP8pzU7nOhDejc PoJr9Olm0W1D1T1CzC0Prkp4VtwiZvaWcADo90rRL8LT41nTe9fMo_C2I78P pmoApNhETEyMY6KEk6WljpGnGPnJ68s7_MqTzDq.hJWsa.M_V9SqF5RsA2.p u8m3yOmMYuYoCnnEuBR1f8MqrZwfqGJBCcDqMdZmSojXVMmXq1pUUS.EzODI YeCoQvafAVMGfXGVEUuFOH7fkq8yAfQi6iWN8F_OtUJ4kCRwgdLsyQselwpq 6vbYV5dFnYDHP2uaS8IPMBMLBTpmPGRFNcwvpXp4DCYenJZJcsF.2j5d_uAF VZeqL0rcJwQpz_mwRRfOZtp0PeDNLDFKM8x.sjtiuBBx.HrcIP7YnxM5Gr2g zw8Z8uCqJ Received: from [96.244.40.226] by web122103.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Sep 2014 06:42:17 PDT CiAKCl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fCgpIZWxsbyBhbGwsCiAKVGhlIHNwb2tlcyBvbiBteSA3NCBUUjYgc3RlZXJpbmcgd2hlZWwgaXMgc3RhcnRpbmcgdG8gcGVlbCBhbmQgbG9vayByYXR0eS4gSGFzIGFueW9uZSBoYWQgb25lIFBvd2RlcmNvYXRlZD8gSSBhbSBub3Qgc3VyZSBpZiB0aGUgaGVhdCBuZWVkIHRvIGN1cmUgd291bGQgYmUgdG8gbXVjaCBmb3IgdGhlIHJpbS4gSWYgeW91IGRpZCBwYWludCB3aGF0IGNvbG9yIHdhcyB0aGUgYmVzdCBtYXRjaD8KClRoYW5rIGluIGFkdmEBMAEBAQE- References: <1696695935.2338017.1409955245769.JavaMail.root@comcast.net> Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 06:42:17 -0700 From: robert rudolphi To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] Painting/Powdercoating TR6 Steering wheel Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ________________________________ Hello all, The spokes on my 74 TR6 steering wheel is starting to peel and look ratty. Has anyone had one Powdercoated? I am not sure if the heat need to cure would be to much for the rim. If you did paint what color was the best match? Thank in advance for any input. Robert Robert Rudolphi 74 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 7 15:24:33 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 083A8258455F for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2014 15:24:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bc600a.its.queensu.ca (bc600a.its.queensu.ca [130.15.126.70]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB93525807DE for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2014 15:20:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from MP-DUP-HTS-01.AD.QUEENSU.CA (S26.N12.queensu.ca [130.15.12.26]) by bc600a.its.queensu.ca with ESMTP id XRDaOjM3DIThGHMO for ; Sun, 07 Sep 2014 17:23:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MP-DUP-MBX-02.AD.QUEENSU.CA ([169.254.2.176]) by MP-DUP-HTS-01.AD.QUEENSU.CA ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Sun, 7 Sep 2014 17:23:21 -0400 From: Brian Thomas To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: Pre TS60000 TR3 and Radial Spare Thread-Index: Ac/K34s6dH4fBss6SxCQinlP2hiqKw== Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 21:23:20 +0000 Accept-Language: en-CA, en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [69.7.251.14] TAG_LEVEL=1000.0 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=1000.0 KILL_LEVEL=6.0 tests=BSF_RULE7568M breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.50 BSF_RULE7568M Custom Rule 7568M Subject: [TR] Pre TS60000 TR3 and Radial Spare Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm about to replace the bias ply tires on my 1956 TR3 with radials. The correct size appears to be 165R15. I'm currently running 590-15 U. S. Royals on Dayton 48 spokers. My problem is I want to replace the spare as well. The current spare in a 70's vintage 600-15 bias on a 48 spoke Dunlop and it fits but very tightly (i.e. height). I figured if a tire from my TR4A (165R15 Firestone F560 on 60 spoke Dayton) fits, I'm good. Unfortunately it doesn't! If you have a pre TS60000 TR3 (or TR2) with a radial spare aboard, I'd appreciate knowing what you are running and how tight the fit is. I say pre 60000, because the pan changed at that point, I imagine getting deeper? Thanks in advance for your input. Brian _______________________________________________________________________ Brian Thomas E-mail: ThomasB@QueensU.Ca 92 Wyona Lane, R R 1 Phone: 613-385-1947 Wolfe Island, Ontario Toys: 54 TR2, 56 TR3, 67 TR4A, 01 XKR, 75 John Deere 920 CANADA K0H ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 7 15:54:44 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22BE42584707 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2014 15:54:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f53.google.com (mail-qa0-f53.google.com [209.85.216.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8734025804C2 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2014 15:52:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qa0-f53.google.com with SMTP id w8so12986503qac.26 for ; Sun, 07 Sep 2014 14:55:21 -0700 (PDT) h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :message-id:references:to; bh=aIfaB1Qebs+JyvCqtG3V8mx0GlRlE0NrX9zjChfpFR0=; b=tB7fp6uSsBYRvJBbOtaLwsFC/b/9a3JyXdgr3vJaggOYAvjKm5kfYxICRr3BfurMzY gXzu2JrFaPlI1UDzSgqcchlYnMRfZ4ALZISjQiAXr5V+bmJvWL5lUHsTq/W23N7V6ZPL ru9QA61ueHbEQhppsrZaYkIKK+Fjvg3fpV7mqBo0pHP7rpOqQ214t/L90iYEKKevNHri qJTPICnjnmHatIrVJVmdPraLKMjycrByP6UzLSOmUQlR/pGzB0qXTJ2fZnS4yJ7ak5Lk +5tRzojJJ6UJT19b9DUXzFpCGMWR/H99IVeTXnfpfIozD0V1obUDgP2CwA/7et9Rtbbp QgUA== s1mr26502175qaj.57.1410126921132; Sun, 07 Sep 2014 14:55:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.101] ([97.102.222.44]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id b8sm6246513qat.21.2014.09.07.14.55.20 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 07 Sep 2014 14:55:20 -0700 (PDT) From: John Wise Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 17:55:19 -0400 References: To: Brian Thomas Cc: car discussion Sports Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] Pre TS60000 TR3 and Radial Spare Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net When I was in college (a long time ago) I put Michelin Xs on my first TR3A. Since they are no longer made I bought 5 Vredestien (Sp?) 165-HR15 for my current 1960 TR3A. The 5th one fits perfectly in the spare compartment and tread looks a lot like the old Michelin X. John On 7 Sep, 2014, at 5:23 PM, Brian Thomas wrote: > I'm about to replace the bias ply tires on my 1956 TR3 with radials. The > correct size appears to be 165R15. I'm currently running 590-15 U. S. Royals > on Dayton 48 spokers. > > My problem is I want to replace the spare as well. John John Wise wisejohna@gmail.com http://wisegroupllc.org/_/Johns_Resume.html ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 7 15:55:12 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F96B258080C for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2014 15:55:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f171.google.com (mail-vc0-f171.google.com [209.85.220.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6099425804C2 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2014 15:53:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f171.google.com with SMTP id id10so14419813vcb.2 for ; Sun, 07 Sep 2014 14:56:38 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=GPw4a4YvVBh99IMBup0ln8gjbKFYa8wd1uIU4H/YGKo=; b=XnTKuYkvAW2TmtCiueaDhyCgtGVO4ZV1I/1LNatm+4jcsdx3gbIAVDPqBO+1JsEIz3 Ch2n22sjXcI/bAWgZjzfDnwRHDaZ/77THciiAs5WtTViKUyYU55YINoo4+fNLAQt2X2I zElA+OJ1JRVrSTALqsfACAJKI9+0Q0OptnxXmhovHBNft7GrpTxBZThtyKiKdOcTY9db AUK9D8OSM0Pju0F3dhOiWdQ3fuRJ/mY1J0pAREzJKuQ1UKtwCwDklK+X+KpeJ2UH4u7s UvtM2DqiauUcdRCBBKDp4t/DyUAyXbVwzLNlTOaX7T3seeqdubufNAX2imULH74u2zoy AKpQ== Sun, 07 Sep 2014 14:56:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.27.99 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Sep 2014 14:56:37 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 14:56:37 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Brian Thomas Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Pre TS60000 TR3 and Radial Spare Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I carry a 165/15 spare in my pre-60000 TR3A -- but it is deflated, has a coating of baby powder on both sides and a loop of nylon strapping around the back end for grabbing. I can get it out by sitting on the ground and tugging - can get maximum leverage if need be with one foot on each bumperette. I recall Randall carries a space saver spare which is certainly a more civilized approach, though I do not know how that works with a wire wheel. Geo On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Brian Thomas wrote: > I'm about to replace the bias ply tires on my 1956 TR3 with radials. The > correct size appears to be 165R15. I'm currently running 590-15 U. S. > Royals > on Dayton 48 spokers. > > My problem is I want to replace the spare as well. > > The current spare in a 70's vintage 600-15 bias on a 48 spoke Dunlop and it > fits but very tightly (i.e. height). I figured if a tire from my TR4A > (165R15 > Firestone F560 on 60 spoke Dayton) fits, I'm good. Unfortunately it > doesn't! > > If you have a pre TS60000 TR3 (or TR2) with a radial spare aboard, I'd > appreciate knowing what you are running and how tight the fit is. I say > pre > 60000, because the pan changed at that point, I imagine getting deeper? > > Thanks in advance for your input. > > Brian > _______________________________________________________________________ > Brian Thomas E-mail: ThomasB@QueensU.Ca > 92 Wyona Lane, R R 1 Phone: 613-385-1947 > Wolfe Island, Ontario Toys: 54 TR2, 56 TR3, 67 TR4A, 01 > XKR, > 75 John Deere 920 > CANADA K0H > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 7 16:26:25 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A0A52584716 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2014 16:26:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAB8625804C2 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2014 16:26:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55018] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 5D/B0-14356-D2CDC045; Sun, 07 Sep 2014 22:29:01 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Brian Thomas'" , Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 15:29:02 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac/K34s6dH4fBss6SxCQinlP2hiqKwACYhmw Subject: Re: [TR] Pre TS60000 TR3 and Radial Spare Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I'm about to replace the bias ply tires on my 1956 TR3 with > radials. The > correct size appears to be 165R15. Nope, not on a 56. The 165 tires didn't come in until after TS60000 when the spare tire compartment got bigger. > If you have a pre TS60000 TR3 (or TR2) with a radial spare aboard, I'd > appreciate knowing what you are running and how tight the fit > is. I did have a whole set of 155 tires from Europe (sorry, don't recall the brand offhand), which would fit moderately snugly mounted on a steel wheel. But I gave them all away to friends with the same problem. As Geo said, I now run a "compact spare" from the junkyard, mounted on a standard TR3 rim, and it fits with lots of room to spare. I have to pack a blanket and a towel in to keep it from sliding around. (Which is OK, because they both come in handy while changing tires or other road-side services.) Not the best photo, but maybe you can make out how much smaller it is here: http://goo.gl/xUesSa The compact spare is supposed to be for temporary use only, and only at 45 mph or below. But I drove a couple of hours at 70+ mph with it, and had no troubles. The car did handle a bit differently, but not enough for concern, IMO. YMMV and all that. Given how reliable modern steel radials are, there is something to be said for only carrying a can of Fix-a-Flat and a cell phone. But I like having a spare tire available, and the steel radial didn't help when I stupidly ran over a broken curb and punched a big hole in the sidewall. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 7 16:42:19 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 083D92584740 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2014 16:42:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm28-vm9.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm28-vm9.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.216.168]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09B062580550 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2014 16:42:12 -0600 (MDT) s=s1024; t=1410129899; bh=voy2Zzq325hRA3zErA9djBJV+lPvASaYrfXTIJo7LSg=; b=nQJmXiQ8MRyScX/eoJn8nJY53HGAb2uajmDn+lhFSKr9guZ/35kJstjKh3CR+6knBw2aItqT1Fd3Fj+9YRqyC5zWHhufmbHbB0Mt4ly7eKMm77tlMu+LNjn4YhO5FdOu8jSOB6EN1wfKFNAaYNTs/s80Bt8uQ6gYBgSbDnuoymM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; b=GduqEExMc0r4bl4CgXFOiAWfHfMpU/xcw1prIHK2KhZpAOWSIoNPQbHwS8m6H4GDxVB4WsT0uA3ff3ItMewDiwFkW4xPPGOj1WE6xEjgahPCLG/6x6PudkVaTmguy1PWmTBR6oDQ9C/wFIQu14u3cuxrXlphLj1eCJmDb+ap+bQ=; Received: from [98.137.12.62] by nm28.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2014 22:44:59 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.212] by tm7.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2014 22:44:59 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp223.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2014 22:44:59 -0000 s=s1024; t=1410129899; bh=voy2Zzq325hRA3zErA9djBJV+lPvASaYrfXTIJo7LSg=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Subject:From:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Message-Id:Date:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version; b=E/y8NSzNprcQPhPKPCHPTg13oUFNuD76forE3s8n7zWL0TUybNy+wwdYeGEVzPZci+hO/VMrdLuFgGsV2WeedAYq8XvE7EJ7vWxmwVplwIXlzRf1DW6xinikk1gK/S5ErLH77jyNi5Jn3PMA6phyNnhoY0Bw6P3RuAroXA/A3+I= b4_w_EZigiit_ZLfvaj3WFCFHIh9IVGQAG7U3tMCBFgpXaLR9iyyJ.QBn2Xv nxRWDzQ3jn894Kyo26nRmSbMfe_iTHxwahycJwsU4YxpzQo_dlnqRgZwdw.j V8vbDpHZ_vgDc.hpTQtb9BButG7AQVP4d1TfnlazBvPEABnxT5zUt6QeQCPl wGiD4kr8KdYe3M9O2UoKpfVd4tIODAKOkGrKRU6dbsN3eUkTDziJUXgfywyV UJ4tk_IVFTD81OFqnpKyfP6X8tzp0XN2Okgv_OJfJ266pA_AyPNkSMqo3ukR ZcTEaq2h75gnrAxGTDRqwc5UKonV6IfBQWiKfg4yIOwa5LTnG_VtPwq_bfJA dw369e7wzGMDSjlDRnDTtL4UvSVtVtZMxWSW8WHcfctnxo3sM6ri_AXj5xXK 8VctlJiLWAUv_xe2LRZ.xkFmL6G0S3a4LLseIbbx8YsGlnQ3mweJDV6l7XJr rMbBKUESZ6sLbk1v2hTTrSdttj3RhHc1b_fYO.ttrgbd5fcM.rXHehFk- From: john-marie@sbcglobal.net Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 17:44:58 -0500 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] Engine mount Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi list, Recently installed rebuilt engine in my TR4A. New mounts are round as were the originals and in the same mounting holes...the rear holes. Engine not dressed out yet. Just noticed the fan hub extension is resting on the steering rack. Don't know why I have this interference. Gearbox install went easily, no binding or forcing. Any insights as to what the problem might be will be appreciated. John DeLuca ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 7 18:11:40 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 213F32584718 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2014 18:11:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DD9D258444D for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2014 18:11:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [108.167.48.145] ([108.167.48.145:53428] helo=livingroompc) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id C1/DA-14356-AD4FC045; Mon, 08 Sep 2014 00:14:18 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: References: <5D.B0.14356.D2CDC045@cdptpa-oedge02> Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 19:14:13 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Pre TS60000 TR3 and Radial Spare Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net In addition to the tire size variation, I believe a period Dunlop 48 spoke was 4" wide, and a 60 spoke was 4.5", so all else being equal your sidewall will probably bow out a little farther with the 60 spoke WW. Somewhere I have a picture of my brother and I, a rope, a stout tree and a stuck spare in a freshly restored TR3A, I will let your imagination fill in the rest. Greg Lemon -------------------------------------------------- From: "Randall" Sent: Sunday, September 7, 2014 5:29 PM To: "'Brian Thomas'" ; Subject: Re: [TR] Pre TS60000 TR3 and Radial Spare >> I'm about to replace the bias ply tires on my 1956 TR3 with >> radials. The >> correct size appears to be 165R15. > > Nope, not on a 56. The 165 tires didn't come in until after TS60000 when > the spare tire compartment got bigger. > >> If you have a pre TS60000 TR3 (or TR2) with a radial spare aboard, I'd >> appreciate knowing what you are running and how tight the fit >> is. > > I did have a whole set of 155 tires from Europe (sorry, don't recall the > brand offhand), which would fit moderately snugly mounted > on a steel wheel. But I gave them all away to friends with the same > problem. As Geo said, I now run a "compact spare" from the > junkyard, mounted on a standard TR3 rim, and it fits with lots of room to > spare. I have to pack a blanket and a towel in to keep it > from sliding around. (Which is OK, because they both come in handy while > changing tires or other road-side services.) > > Not the best photo, but maybe you can make out how much smaller it is > here: > http://goo.gl/xUesSa > > The compact spare is supposed to be for temporary use only, and only at 45 > mph or below. But I drove a couple of hours at 70+ mph > with it, and had no troubles. The car did handle a bit differently, but > not enough for concern, IMO. YMMV and all that. > > Given how reliable modern steel radials are, there is something to be said > for only carrying a can of Fix-a-Flat and a cell phone. > But I like having a spare tire available, and the steel radial didn't help > when I stupidly ran over a broken curb and punched a big > hole in the sidewall. > > Randall > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/glemon@neb.rr.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 7 18:56:09 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 835A72584738 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2014 18:56:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC1S22.hotmail.com (blu004-omc1s22.hotmail.com [65.55.116.33]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FAC125844F8 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2014 18:52:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU402-EAS54 ([65.55.116.7]) by BLU004-OMC1S22.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22724); Sun, 7 Sep 2014 17:55:42 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 20:55:37 -0400 From: trmarty To: Triumph List FILETIME=[9D5FB480:01CFCAFF] Subject: [TR] Dobson Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net We're here and sipping vino. I think we are the only ones here so far. Marty ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 7 19:11:52 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0E732585071 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2014 19:11:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86B8A2584579 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2014 19:02:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta22.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.73]) by qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id oQ2U1o0021ap0As57R5RKU; Mon, 08 Sep 2014 01:05:25 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.141] ([76.29.157.68]) by omta22.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id oR5Q1o0011UpP903iR5QAy; Mon, 08 Sep 2014 01:05:25 +0000 References: From: Thomas Fansher Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 21:05:23 -0400 To: trmarty s=q20140121; t=1410138325; bh=e5WWUNpBp+jMdnYagv64X+CePNuwG6mjPfZ3HPvAiIA=; h=Received:Received:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-Id:From: Subject:Date:To; b=C4lCOQc6Gy/S9+0LplJ3ER/u4g4Fo9Gv6mMZ+V3VPyu6bYlgK2FyCLNUmB4JNdY6A o/6c1KoAnQilqVirBEIMjCs3gLUi0qcrAumQ9OtJdDf5sHpOHmDtKF6vl82ehFPMy2 nzQJEcD2etVct0EfFXw6PkIXOSlGaeWB1FIjORonfunNb2IP3dP70pwG+ioTYNebyz /PvFbjOQVoyMYNnk2nwLhJ1DAYum/Xiez7DjmsX1wbQmVA1S0AH96ID1nlurECwHOM yEibUk3ys0uztSQCmFcEuWUPoLreOV5kQBJSLAaGY0srTqqRCl0bkGxGyp0ONESpRp PlMvs0nWi+TYg== Cc: Triumph List Subject: Re: [TR] Dobson Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On our way in the morning. Tom and Janet Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 7, 2014, at 8:55 PM, trmarty wrote: > > We're here and sipping vino. I think we are the only ones here so far. > > Marty ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 7 19:26:26 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D1922584F58 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2014 19:26:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173023pub.verizon.net (vms173023pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.23]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85B4F2584F58 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2014 19:20:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from new-host.home ([unknown] [98.117.90.163]) by vms173023.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0NBK0001E6I74GE0@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net> for Triumphs@Autox.team.net; Sun, 07 Sep 2014 20:22:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Dean Tetterton Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2014 21:22:56 -0400 References: To: trmarty Cc: Triumph List Subject: Re: [TR] Dobson Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Will be heading down Tuesday Morning. Will be staying at the Mayberry Campground in the race car trailer. Will see you Tuesday afternoon. Dean T. On Sep 7, 2014, at 8:55 PM, trmarty wrote: > We're here and sipping vino. I think we are the only ones here so far. > > Marty > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tr3a58@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 7 21:42:26 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E158925848B9 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2014 21:42:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f53.google.com (mail-qa0-f53.google.com [209.85.216.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76EED258077E for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2014 21:38:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qa0-f53.google.com with SMTP id w8so13253297qac.40 for ; Sun, 07 Sep 2014 20:41:30 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=+Hb5AmA3QhC33g/spFDMrDUx1xQ5deMq4CIwjmvT6DY=; b=SLlsAJ8yUQmaISKH4/FBdYoBxJzNAdFGqghOgXbVxi0C6YK3G9z4+aQRkbzAFlcKRZ sI7PgwgNjAx12yP0Q0BKIbykAMQnz2dBp6jItHCpnsawYLly9OeURMcRD2kUG+/fLm7V R9aVhZUWssT732Bxbdez9rfnb+vc7w1Z06aiWedMKA2lraIrRis1A/FTBRJbm4NCSKrp Y1bE6v3a6XnJ4HJLM7rabmrFDCV7k2sD5f96koLTKDq6TUx7LaxiOOOT2INBlDKdBXTm U7YzjZE7iGGzP1bQ92gGL5ezCgv7xboAbEAQWHLUhNIEnsixqFve611AGRpf/Upq2MjM Uwbw== j52mr36798258qga.27.1410147690408; Sun, 07 Sep 2014 20:41:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.96.14 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Sep 2014 20:41:10 -0700 (PDT) References: From: Don Hiscock Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 23:41:10 -0400 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Pre TS60000 TR3 and Radial Spare Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Long thread ongoing about spare tire fitting on the TR Register Forum in the UK. Might be worth a read -- I believe this part of the forum is viewable by all. http://www.tr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/48550-tr3a-spare-wheel-wont-fit-in-cubby/ On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Brian Thomas wrote: > I'm about to replace the bias ply tires on my 1956 TR3 with radials. The > correct size appears to be 165R15. I'm currently running 590-15 U. S. > Royals > on Dayton 48 spokers. > > My problem is I want to replace the spare as well. > > The current spare in a 70's vintage 600-15 bias on a 48 spoke Dunlop and it > fits but very tightly (i.e. height). I figured if a tire from my TR4A > (165R15 > Firestone F560 on 60 spoke Dayton) fits, I'm good. Unfortunately it > doesn't! > > If you have a pre TS60000 TR3 (or TR2) with a radial spare aboard, I'd > appreciate knowing what you are running and how tight the fit is. I say > pre > 60000, because the pan changed at that point, I imagine getting deeper? > > Thanks in advance for your input. > > Brian > _______________________________________________________________________ > Brian Thomas E-mail: ThomasB@QueensU.Ca > 92 Wyona Lane, R R 1 Phone: 613-385-1947 > Wolfe Island, Ontario Toys: 54 TR2, 56 TR3, 67 TR4A, 01 > XKR, > 75 John Deere 920 > CANADA K0H > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 7 22:27:52 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C79525848D9 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2014 22:27:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm37.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm37.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.30]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C37E925809FA for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2014 22:27:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] by nm37.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2014 04:30:20 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.178] by nm37.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2014 04:27:20 -0000 Received: from [66.196.81.163] by tm13.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2014 04:27:20 -0000 Received: from [66.196.81.127] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2014 04:27:20 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1003.access.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2014 04:27:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 26332 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Sep 2014 04:27:19 -0000 s=s1024; t=1410150439; bh=dgNZnM5Ayx34Bji3KxfEba7geYLcLRfwt7yHahiGJhQ=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=aE/LxPNM5Cm0qt6lRC51B9ba1Jf3eHC/c1nHn0uxlqMKZX8KttKhe2kQdwxcd5k5AB4V6WvGHYmcp3yo34WwIgR2r3w6IXPK90B6ex+Im621V6BFjJhNEgl6QByPdDk9BzxzCwR+HPM5Qhn57p4dCB66H2cy/d0fCzV7N15pCwU= c6w73OgOW0q_rbRuIYEOYcv_kS7S4qRYbJFvuotMgfalbwepUWrBZTDpi2uN yPOJVWffoDhy03Kwqm.dJV5U1c_45Xx_e0wW6OhynO8QmDEA8SkN8oOwQabu rfN.unA81_sAMmj4hX89l6j3X_GrgoVXcERA.QTKAXICiLOBQKB.qcqCQej3 pjV_XEtupmp3L3KUzwqbmA2oqCd0c4yTimakGV3ZuNkciXyP.4k7iHcJyPds rcsSyyCVzF2H0PWeR5_6_li2u_8CJqCW5m4GGYMGG2oywGPlFo7YlytO3nFv 8SVNU5Qkz5c_.YxB5iF2N48ai222zyHUUk2_NCKNRkIB7nPP3gKdB5cL_p3F 8oWbFC8w8_i9aAjQwmsMqD5leDbAy8m.2XH1vIEXJ6NWtZuRaaW2rrOXH_QI gvlpJ2n1dDJHfwZHtIZ4UDXnznTXp2ji3V3HWdMgz6_VfUXCl0BDR30RH9Ac AYCA5.GwRG3Tka4P7iFscNf6HAXkLEY69D6TQhx9ckOjOvbEvX0_Ek_HWeRM 3MPAoLgKIoxeb Received: from [108.240.211.84] by web180901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Sep 2014 21:27:19 PDT ICAgICBNeSBmcm9udCBzcG9pbGVyaXMgc2VydmljZWFibGUsIGJ1dCBmYWRlZC4gV2hhdCBjYW4gYmUgZG9uZSB0byByZXN0b3JlIHRoZSBkYXJrIGJsYWNrIGNvbG9yPyBCbGFjayBwYWludD8gQXJtb3JhbGw_IFRpcmUgQmxhY2tpbmc_IFNvbWV0aGluZyBlbHNlPwoKICAgICAtQmlsbCBpbiBUZWhhY2hhcGkKICAgICBUb28gY2hlYXAgdG8gYnV5IGEgbmV3IHJlcHJvIHNwb2lsZXIuLi4BMAEBAQE- Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 21:27:19 -0700 From: William Brewer To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] TR6 Front Spoiler Restoration Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net My front spoileris serviceable, but faded. What can be done to restore the dark black color? Black paint? Armorall? Tire Blacking? Something else? -Bill in Tehachapi Too cheap to buy a new repro spoiler... ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 8 05:17:12 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DABF525850A8 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2014 05:17:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm46.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm46.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.120.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C941725845FE for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2014 05:11:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] by nm46.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2014 11:14:12 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.177] by nm46.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2014 11:11:23 -0000 Received: from [98.138.87.11] by tm12.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2014 11:11:23 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1011.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Sep 2014 11:11:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 67974 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Sep 2014 11:11:23 -0000 s=s1024; t=1410174683; bh=eFhPadvVl4k6SEuAkRdMZNLFGdSsL06e2Q086/0lUgY=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=5WNXQIRL4ceDBSEmEHg91o889Xnq160uLWRFTF526AOVQlYnU6xxWb2ugHHiE90/Qxy8+jsX3EaxPcfGUek3jKERMRaLXp+kOHA1HLatpBg7gaW6SOzciKM0uP2fGqjNWjlvkRHNz1HYDsOTl/KlTVC2A0lE1LfwAWaLaTQAP0c= .f1FsiP5U5p4_kWYr2Stdy86OieT4N6M1Xp_n3oyl3KBf6hoB43sNzc9qUzZ lKVpjHRmOQZHPTky_fP0crt3BjMTimbftod42K9zN4ceLqsCFV54auQx2W10 wYOLe84cp82Mjj.d8bwzKP6Uuod6h.ZuyAp.RNVZ5etdKu8H9F8dhGJJ41Vy MZGPgKGMH0TMZoY.C0Y01ImgTWXtqWpO4nKzZM7KELUuKkE5qNPruzlnXTBv u_bbRYdQeo66LpcSWmHtMPe2EerLKTaVIPnyWVvpa.qX41.uF346F.gkQlwS ehnqiLzDekoUAdEj5.7zfkvX9f9MQsh0InWJeGDIfGTHH5OzJ.ODxG4IusJU nWQjH2MANyT_xjQQT4fSFcb7Yb56q1QiTh.vwAVk4GFnmVER2GdNaw6irrpk gV0yUDEsKmYQo.6xR8SCLF2CIHM3xKGWq0hIYsajUtYmt8U7O7bkMfXy02aB Tlpoac433UzOKuXOkjiiReeuyBLxfCZXvOkNnHxZPOrIyIHQDYXXBV2G1mqT 2d_YwdgkBcuzOvfEP0r18Fc2ndgS5TAZb68low1fzJa7kwyc5VgEVtVGShVg TnK6_oWCZCyqo_yToRuYh3fhNx9tcjXvaaSZnfCuRzJu3j3V0ehKziQXMI2J vH0u2WcqrCCxju9nK3u7IKONxWGcj.FXp7wPTf8Rz Received: from [72.192.115.87] by web120704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 08 Sep 2014 04:11:23 PDT Cg0KVHJ5IHRoaXM6ICANCmh0dHA6Ly9ibGFja3dvdy5jb20vcHJvZHVjdHMvQmxhY2tXb3dDbGFzc2ljLmh0bWwNCg0KTWluaSBDb29wZXIgZ3V5cyB1c2UgaXQgb24gdGhlaXIgcGxhc3RpYyBzaWRlIHRyaW0uLi4uLndvcmtzIGdyZWF0IQ0KDQpDaGFkIGluIFR1bHNhDQoNCi0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLQ0KT24gU3VuLCBTZXAgNywgMjAxNCAxMToyNyBQTSBDRFQgV2lsbGlhbSBCcmV3ZXIgd3JvdGU6DQoNCj4gICAgIE15IGZyb250IHNwb2lsZXJpcyBzZXJ2aWNlYWJsZSwgYnV0IGYBMAEBAQE- Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 04:11:23 -0700 From: Chad To: wsb1960tr3a@att.net, triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Front Spoiler Restoration Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Try this: http://blackwow.com/products/BlackWowClassic.html Mini Cooper guys use it on their plastic side trim.....works great! Chad in Tulsa ------------------------------ On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 11:27 PM CDT William Brewer wrote: > My front spoileris serviceable, but faded. What can be done to restore the dark black color? Black paint? Armorall? Tire Blacking? Something else? > > -Bill in Tehachapi > Too cheap to buy a new repro spoiler... > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumph74tr6@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 8 06:05:26 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09B3F25850BB for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2014 06:05:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.196]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F151E25848A7 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2014 06:04:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DELLPC ([32.218.137.168]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mreueus003) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MRm2x-1Xoyw92k37-00Sspv; Mon, 08 Sep 2014 14:07:43 +0200 From: "Bob Danielson" <75TR6@TR6.Danielsonfamily.org> To: "William Brewer" , "Triumphs" References: <1410150439.19195.YahooMailNeo@web180901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 08:07:41 -0400 xdsZ5MHaiPH4Yrv+cNnzabWE4mjx4JczOkizZD38MU9OOu+93x wsPNx4ghcuQdwPB8jISWbllEa+CT5fVOOQjj16XMSfxFIoTkcR A3WSpU3yJL8KbG/7hk7CYqyugQdRaP2uOWUDFuMw8kEYYyCqTr hB1JBbEXv4C2NljudT2sZ77IcMvEf7yl1rUK88YPQbAwhF4csG za2TJl1OWiriZPCrhk2bsZp2J0+LQE2JzsetT/JR5PkUPjEZbp z2uucuse1oLYvgLeqXDDaoY/F8XWgOmwLki19ldtU/6op8Ykun 4rngd0C0JQQ6fja1eRvs3FZmNX1g0cjZRhC8+MUyM Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Front Spoiler Restoration Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net If it's really far gone, you can use black plastic paint which is made in a variety of sheens. Just make sure it specifies that it's for plastic/nylon. Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/PanelBootSales1.htm Custom Interiors & Boot Covers http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/FenderBlanket.htm Fender Blankets -----Original Message----- From: William Brewer Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 12:27 AM To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] TR6 Front Spoiler Restoration My front spoileris serviceable, but faded. What can be done to restore the dark black color? Black paint? Armorall? Tire Blacking? Something else? -Bill in Tehachapi Too cheap to buy a new repro spoiler... ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 8 08:04:00 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCDDB2585118 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2014 08:04:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f181.google.com (mail-ob0-f181.google.com [209.85.214.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47D322580687 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2014 08:02:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f181.google.com with SMTP id vb8so10497929obc.26 for ; Mon, 08 Sep 2014 07:05:35 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=e6vWf+b2uAH41WlWRwZc33y2LWDdR8iScgvse6QJCV8=; b=UzcJIQKWGE/QcZ1k8nkGH3Su8yR8HGbb56rs8pFRtQihoKFjl/n/gmGxbblptKw5as WMtwKzMHvfkW/jvRLFJBfpBV4H0FZZC7Q4JDlqyrjn97Fek4AAIe1gdfEyufJ/oZC+5D kjDziEb5ILVBoR98OspvDebAvOMQhKucRBbRvwezQbF7hqPw84LWDF+IDp9TGwTe/uxW ND5ZfLkK8iNKj2HlndmyRLxYXwy2xN0oXJY9L+g9MM9g9bJKv3fDr7xKx0wNnVYZ3JeL Yntr/R/EvR1HaxA5mlZLf3dcNY9JbsJ3K2gV8cScx6gpkReadHDCzx1Dg9SqTMqm1/Jb oGQQ== Mon, 08 Sep 2014 07:00:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (24-121-172-242.npg.sta.suddenlink.net. [24.121.172.242]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ik6sm6415778obb.7.2014.09.08.07.00.14 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 08 Sep 2014 07:00:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2014 07:00:13 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <5D.B0.14356.D2CDC045@cdptpa-oedge02> <10075EDA8920455593B39C6A10E6D266@livingroompc> Subject: Re: [TR] Pre TS60000 TR3 and Radial Spare Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On 9/7/14, 5:14 PM, Greg Lemon wrote: > In addition to the tire size variation, I believe a period Dunlop 48 > spoke was 4" wide, and a 60 spoke was 4.5", so all else being equal > your sidewall will probably bow out a little farther with the 60 spoke > WW. > I have a post TS60000 and the 60 spoke wheel mounted 165-15 is too tall to fit. But it snugly fits a 48 spoke mounted 165-15. So I have 60 spokes on the ground and a 48 spoke spare. TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 8 08:18:19 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BD80258494E for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2014 08:18:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bc600b.its.queensu.ca (bc600b.its.queensu.ca [130.15.126.72]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2E702580963 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2014 08:16:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from MP-DUP-HTS-02.AD.QUEENSU.CA (S27.N12.queensu.ca [130.15.12.27]) by bc600b.its.queensu.ca with ESMTP id KMnxlAFDEuEESWrn; Mon, 08 Sep 2014 10:18:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MP-DUP-MBX-02.AD.QUEENSU.CA ([169.254.2.176]) by MP-DUP-HTS-02.AD.QUEENSU.CA ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Mon, 8 Sep 2014 10:18:57 -0400 From: Brian Thomas To: John Wise Thread-Topic: [TR] Pre TS60000 TR3 and Radial Spare Thread-Index: AQHPyuZswflR78d/j0iuCFLlfHDI5Zv3R75g Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 14:18:57 +0000 References: <4243844C-6480-4D78-B4E9-1F8A61D79B04@gmail.com> Accept-Language: en-CA, en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [69.7.251.14] TAG_LEVEL=1000.0 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=1000.0 KILL_LEVEL=6.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.00 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message Cc: car discussion Sports Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] Pre TS60000 TR3 and Radial Spare Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi John, As you are the only one responding that fits a 165R15 tire (fully inflated, I'm assuming) into the TR3 spare compartment, I have a couple of questions: . is your 1960 TR3 perhaps post TS60000? . what wheels are you using? Stock steel, 48spoke, 60 spoke, ...? Thanks, Brian From: John Wise [mailto:wisejohna@gmail.com] Sent: September-07-14 5:55 PM To: Brian Thomas Cc: car discussion Sports Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] Pre TS60000 TR3 and Radial Spare When I was in college (a long time ago) I put Michelin Xs on my first TR3A. Since they are no longer made I bought 5 Vredestien (Sp?) 165-HR15 for my current 1960 TR3A. The 5th one fits perfectly in the spare compartment and tread looks a lot like the old Michelin X. John On 7 Sep, 2014, at 5:23 PM, Brian Thomas I'm about to replace the bias ply tires on my 1956 TR3 with radials. The correct size appears to be 165R15. I'm currently running 590-15 U. S. Royals on Dayton 48 spokers. My problem is I want to replace the spare as well. John John Wise http://wisegroupllc.org/_/Johns_Resume.html ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 8 10:35:04 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4355F2584592 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2014 10:35:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com [17.158.236.237]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCDB625809FA for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2014 10:34:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [140.211.95.176] (unknown [140.211.95.176]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.10(7.0.4.27.9) 64bit (built Jun 6 2014)) with ESMTPSA id <0NBL00HR4CTSHE80@nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 08 Sep 2014 16:37:05 +0000 (GMT) From: Jeffrey Gayton Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2014 09:37:03 -0700 To: triumphs@autox.team.net engine=2.50.10432:5.12.52,1.0.27,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-09-08_03:2014-09-08,2014-09-08,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1402240000 definitions=main-1409080141 Subject: [TR] Gearbox Filler Plug Update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Greetings. An 8-point 7/8th socket worked a charm. It wasn't hard to turn at all, once I had the angles right. Thanks again for everyone's help and suggestions! -- Jeff ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 8 10:53:07 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D2A0258456A for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2014 10:53:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp3.execulink.net (smtp3.execulink.net [69.63.44.84]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E51325809FA for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2014 10:52:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 66-203-185-220.ded.execulink.com ([66.203.185.220] helo=[192.168.4.105]) by smtp3.execulink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1XR2Ds-0006gc-0q; Mon, 08 Sep 2014 12:55:24 -0400 From: Keith Stewart Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 12:55:22 -0400 References: To: triumphs@autox.team.net Cc: William Brewer Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Front Spoiler Restoration Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Sep 7, 2014, at 9:27 PM, William Brewer wrote: > > My front spoileris serviceable, but faded. What can be done to restore the dark black color? Black paint? Armorall? Tire Blacking? Something else? > > -Bill in Tehachapi > Too cheap to buy a new repro spoiler... +1 on the Black Wow. I have not used it on the spoiler, but every other trim piece where I have used, the results have been impressive. You may need several coats, over a few days (or hours for Black Wow Pro) for best effect. But, I believe it is a silicone based product and that will have ramifications should you later want to paint the spoiler. Keith Stewart keithstewartATexeculinkDOTcom ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 8 11:08:37 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1348E2584711 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2014 11:08:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f179.google.com (mail-vc0-f179.google.com [209.85.220.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B003258043B for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2014 11:08:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f179.google.com with SMTP id im17so1424691vcb.38 for ; Mon, 08 Sep 2014 10:10:53 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=mBBiNtVweTSq4FHDFTR3O93NH9FfquAyzmJbWmJRt9c=; b=WfDwgFKyQ/yWnRWf2PmFmwi/ozGQABZX5GmHl6nRQ6V/WSmAG3glcH9km0RsxeB6Ns wsl1vIsIZOi4TeV76iJhfw95LU06y7IHpEcy2sQQqvKpW99cOv8dwDVv7Wf3WFVGGvM+ pMqWsDiFvuT5akjhl7V6UXpyT7pnUwMigya6vG5AdUtYU7Q37F4yWJlbzlxCoR+Eb2H9 aXlKEDcsgk925hagVvwQdZeY4A935u+T3jYX1GnFWLyzmr9mTs38dLmRm4GijlNPow6+ dx1iuQBkV506O8j8CRGJdscTUYV68UOxMLpl0eusZSvkpqtGEvjq9x76r1P2GJfPqjEW L5eQ== qe2mr21866657vdb.11.1410196253376; Mon, 08 Sep 2014 10:10:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.27.99 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Sep 2014 10:10:53 -0700 (PDT) References: <1410150439.19195.YahooMailNeo@web180901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 10:10:53 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: William Brewer Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Front Spoiler Restoration Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have used Krylon Fusion for plastic on a similar non-TR application and so far (couple of years) it has held up well in road use. Geo On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 9:27 PM, William Brewer wrote: > My front spoileris serviceable, but faded. What can be done to > restore the dark black color? Black paint? Armorall? Tire Blacking? > Something else? > > -Bill in Tehachapi > Too cheap to buy a new repro spoiler... > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 8 16:53:40 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 656672584A1E for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2014 16:53:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m03.mx.aol.com (omr-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.77]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42DC925807BC for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2014 16:46:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mcc01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mcc01.mx.aol.com [172.26.253.85]) by omr-m03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 7F2AD70036230 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2014 18:49:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-aba08e.mail.aol.com (core-aba08.mail.aol.com [172.27.22.8]) by mtaomg-mcc01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 5355F38000082 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2014 18:49:16 -0400 (EDT) References: To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Carl Sereda Received: from 99.104.226.17 by webmail-vm083.sysops.aol.com (149.174.147.106) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 08 Sep 2014 18:49:16 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 18:49:16 -0400 x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20140625; t=1410216556; bh=EsdVt8RHfQXz+QiYcQxYNDcZ77OxV7yzJHX1UvnVrlU=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=wBTlLq/K8PNZg6FAs12uaAsbOhXjCggiA/LMJbEa8hwplTIq1hacBh6nBhq2Mr+e2 FMoZ+XGywmrL1adScH+kdRp2VKIJL8IM28f/FiVN5lC6RZpqBYD8nfoYXZ2VObuPuc K8qYizjHufJIuGZaWqXbdBY0flnlFcRkEv3uvNGA= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1afd55540e326c3534 Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 7, Issue 257 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi John, As far as I know, TR4A had the square front engine mounts. I happen to have both a new set of rounds (as was on my TR4) and a new set of squares (because I thought updated 4A design made sense at the time). Side by side: the square ones are a full 1/8" taller. But because so many folks have discussed rubbing fan extensions on steering racks - and the factory literature mentions fit 'shims' as necessary regarding this, I have purchased round and square washers from Home Depot that are 1/8" thick (one at top and one at bottom of mount would raise engine about 1/4") although I never had the problem you mention - in fact, I could always swap fan belts easily. I took a photo of the above mentioned parts and am emailing to your address.. Regards and good luck, Carl '63 TR4 since '74 Hi list, Recently installed rebuilt engine in my TR4A. New mounts are round as were the originals and in the same mounting holes...the rear holes. Engine not dressed out yet. Just noticed the fan hub extension is resting on the steering rack. Don't know why I have this interference. Gearbox install went easily, no binding or forcing. Any insights as to what the problem might be will be appreciated. John DeLuca ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 9 05:31:32 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4610125845D5 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2014 05:31:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f41.google.com (mail-la0-f41.google.com [209.85.215.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5787925844E3 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2014 05:31:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f41.google.com with SMTP id s18so7759027lam.28 for ; Tue, 09 Sep 2014 04:34:10 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=KGiNsEDUCricSu+mKH6JcXskrSHI5We2jqEdXzR/SLY=; b=s9hyB8ceGm+KrjYLZADjCye4Sn9Fyk0Cp4DD7CHCxQue4HvLbSdZmONbdQ/ep+BBmo NR69E+U+Ch4gP3q0zOqRoaNiNcAQrGL/aa0WjbxHUXHbkM6FnPdU7njXVPRhqspOasTL fJ1Clg4kqx2evFVZ15CcQjvq3MmUmDkuwWQYcILDctEfUs3MkXjt2QZnOtgMPKKtA2p6 bNIqNbPx1PW5ND5kes1vWxJIANPNiPtrm/liaouSKitNEp2ETC2a6MadCDj9ZMx+QjSt ciiolOkwYDPhnEGi8FEqkWZId1WSeNHcSHzqLOztOOoaeHZJSN6Jy1U/eJYajwwirPc1 hg+w== h6mr35083968lam.51.1410262450328; Tue, 09 Sep 2014 04:34:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.79.132 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Sep 2014 04:33:50 -0700 (PDT) References: <7FE5685C-FE8F-40A0-BC67-33306C5B2452@verizon.net> From: Chris Simo Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 07:33:50 -0400 To: list Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] Dobson Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Heading out to Dobson this afternoon from Raleigh. I'll be working the various desks throughout Tuesday night, Wed, and Thursday. Keep an eye out for me! 3 of my 4 cars are running, but since I'm working I won't be bringing any. :( Chris 1954 TR2 1963 TR4 1969 TR6 1973 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 9 09:32:11 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2E672584B63 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2014 09:32:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bc600b.its.queensu.ca (bc600b.its.queensu.ca [130.15.126.72]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 867F82584478 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2014 09:26:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from MP-DUP-HTS-02.AD.QUEENSU.CA (S27.N12.queensu.ca [130.15.12.27]) by bc600b.its.queensu.ca with ESMTP id MFD8pmFUntdnyoQE for ; Tue, 09 Sep 2014 11:28:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MP-DUP-MBX-02.AD.QUEENSU.CA ([169.254.2.176]) by MP-DUP-HTS-02.AD.QUEENSU.CA ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Tue, 9 Sep 2014 11:28:16 -0400 From: Brian Thomas To: car discussion Sports Triumph Thread-Topic: [TR] Pre TS60000 TR3 and Radial Spare Thread-Index: AQHPyuZswflR78d/j0iuCFLlfHDI5Zv3R75ggAGjXDA= Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 15:28:15 +0000 References: <4243844C-6480-4D78-B4E9-1F8A61D79B04@gmail.com> Accept-Language: en-CA, en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [69.7.251.14] TAG_LEVEL=1000.0 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=1000.0 KILL_LEVEL=6.0 tests= breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: [TR] Pre TS60000 TR3 and Radial Spare Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks to all who responded to my question of what size radial fits the early TR3 tire compartment. The answer appears to be a 155SR15 on (in my case) 48 spoke wires (which are 4 inches deep). My next problem is finding a 155SR15 in a wide whitewall. The only offering I've been able to find is DiamondBack's BFGoodrich at $227 a pop. Anyone know of alternatives? I'm also considering using four 165SR15 Coker wide whites ($160 each) and carrying a blackwall 155SR15 Firestone or Vredstein as the spare. Brian ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 9 12:48:51 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AE1F2584BEB for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2014 12:48:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC1S5.hotmail.com (blu004-omc1s5.hotmail.com [65.55.116.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49E7125845E1 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2014 12:40:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU180-W70 ([65.55.116.7]) by BLU004-OMC1S5.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22724); Tue, 9 Sep 2014 11:43:08 -0700 From: tom white To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 18:43:07 +0000 FILETIME=[E6410780:01CFCC5D] Subject: [TR] Wing bead kit plastic protective coating. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi List, I bought a wing bead kit from TRF for my 1960 TR3A. Today I unpacked one to install on a rear fender. The beads have all been covered with a black plastic protective coating. No problem just peel and strip, WRONG AND IMPOSSIBLE. I called TRF and their suggestion was use a hair dryer of low setting on my heat gun to strip the plastic, WRONG AGAIN. I did manage to get the plastic off of one small rear fender tail bead with ten minutes of high heat from the heat gun. The same approach did not proof effective on the larger rear fender bead. I also attempted to remove the plastic with buffing and nylon brush wheels on my Dremel. The Dremel proved useless too. I tired acetone to soften the plastic with no success. Does anyone have an effective way to remove the plastic coating from the fender beads? Pleas4e let me know if there is a good way to remove this plastic. Best regards, Tom ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 9 13:34:37 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62E10258514D for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2014 13:34:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm8-vm2.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm8-vm2.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.218.225]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71E2E25845E1 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2014 13:24:39 -0600 (MDT) s=s1024; t=1410290846; bh=5nZRZfS536NSLcihfheM87NJIAOiKXTwsYX7PR7DJn8=; b=lQykepHXEC4NccS5p8CMp1yLH73OoHY5V6PCXSLALnx6Tze+ZCIEE83GpRffKjGu5JHFy40qixNujWreAcqVes7a97Th2XA0zw7L1RMs29B+hrZlI9c5MEGROgwRvFNxQo3v/mIsgXL3jxzhfOsadXfZNJSZx8KVFKbSHK1VI6Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=flash.net; b=c7ZM2YjeXzUvh/f8U5Blrg5yDJuyNC400Lhe98vWlP6TXDgrX06VTLUOgqMR1x0kyrY4P8mn766iDT58B8BMIqfsmw6hxQaVJlusUByrE7m96uX0i1gk5hPqj8cpxMyMkMTKyXnmH6uNerXzy14Yv9boV0REYIiwJ916x0mCqYQ=; Received: from [98.137.12.55] by nm8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2014 19:27:26 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.211] by tm15.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2014 19:27:26 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp222.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2014 19:27:26 -0000 s=s1024; t=1410290846; bh=5nZRZfS536NSLcihfheM87NJIAOiKXTwsYX7PR7DJn8=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=GcnUAm9XJQS9SHtyXWqGqgrO1x9N7LwY/IXX9M2aiUI8VmieJ7a42EJ5k5fgT/JfAHBINVVFYpIaXFiU7FIoq+PMl+ahYXqxkVxTI1woCJGnxDT1j+0EtF5w8UlvulQwBg2A4kovVp9fnEAfd6cQANhml/xvXgZvO/jaMQfu8uI= UaGvmHYHsi2JDx.Pf6Mx7U2cRT.ZQ29LLnEJbY4CcLu4nfb1pHxFXCo3d26d OzYs0QoQyT_ClSyW2AFbgIeoqovcHTY_ciR82.s5GPm0KL3fV15lqiYUV_z7 sXdczsoQY8ZwLnK11TnALWvSJls5UD3oB9TPmFpImypJyQAzsr7wuxBB19py ToITul41ndqQP.ZvE5NAaixypty.EyHjfN8gGNwxCeYlK7Wn6DU85Drc.akK c0ZrfTIcksxJyaqkqtChU2kwWp_klqYVtgPBKa44mxM3NduS7xbsO0hWegH9 8pq89hOMo1uAONzb57_P_LhmGcI.htL4FppZs1t6w4VENUvv9X5A3A3r3SWV l.xEEf4YzoT5u.0Ks22vXx9xJMXq6d4TXXxiibUXl_g_sgfrMMVpRrI5_agH UaFOvHf0ww16o1_CagnCbL84gdloxkGU16_ZptBvNFRqpo_4EOlgFgnBJLcW xdmXqZK5OZx12InBf08MG_aGhhRRQ19Cqe5D9CoeWONKsuTsq.Epnj6rslc1 tknb.ZfXDYyBlxIOpsfTKM0EeF9K2nVwpbdZ2wGRD.w-- References: From: "Wbeech@flash.net" Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 14:27:24 -0500 To: tom white Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Wing bead kit plastic protective coating. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have a set of the same beading from TRF, not yet installed. Better go check it out. If anyone has the solution please post it to the full list. Bill Sent from mobile Bill On Sep 9, 2014, at 1:43 PM, tom white wrote: Hi List, I bought a wing bead kit from TRF for my 1960 TR3A. Today I unpacked one to install on a rear fender. The beads have all been covered with a black plastic protective coating. No problem just peel and strip, WRONG AND IMPOSSIBLE. I called TRF and their suggestion was use a hair dryer of low setting on my heat gun to strip the plastic, WRONG AGAIN. I did manage to get the plastic off of one small rear fender tail bead with ten minutes of high heat from the heat gun. The same approach did not proof effective on the larger rear fender bead. I also attempted to remove the plastic with buffing and nylon brush wheels on my Dremel. The Dremel proved useless too. I tired acetone to soften the plastic with no success. Does anyone have an effective way to remove the plastic coating from the fender beads? Pleas4e let me know if there is a good way to remove this plastic. Best regards, Tom ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 9 13:49:44 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90F982584B69 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2014 13:49:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from dnvrco-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59861258453E for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2014 13:40:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [67.249.131.108] ([67.249.131.108:58566] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by dnvrco-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 86/15-08080-B685F045; Tue, 09 Sep 2014 19:43:40 +0000 Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2014 15:43:40 -0400 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.0 CC: "triumphs@autox.team.net" References: <8D4C2950-0E62-491D-A1F5-E366C4938872@flash.net> a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:117 a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:17 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=L6cYEwWsmEAA:10 a=kjhCZeR7XLcA:10 a=6_M-JwbXaDoA:10 a=uYRmwVSfly8A:10 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=bV0iEj13AAAA:8 a=69EAbJreAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=0KCcX76zppW97X0GWnQA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=8NYWoh9r7MQA:10 a=EfJqPEOeqlMA:10 a=9X_zMSMRwuAA:10 Subject: Re: [TR] Wing bead kit plastic protective coating. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello, Is there some reason you dont want to leave the plastic on? I put tape on mine before install to insure no scratches on the paint. Bob On 09/09/2014 03:27 PM, Wbeech@flash.net wrote: > I have a set of the same beading from TRF, not yet installed. Better go check > it out. If anyone has the solution please post it to the full list. > > Bill > > Sent from mobile Bill > > On Sep 9, 2014, at 1:43 PM, tom white wrote: > > Hi List, > > I bought a wing bead kit from TRF for my 1960 TR3A. Today I unpacked one to > install on a rear fender. The beads have all been covered with a black > plastic protective coating. No problem just peel and strip, WRONG AND > IMPOSSIBLE. > > I called TRF and their suggestion was use a hair dryer of low setting on my > heat gun to strip the plastic, WRONG AGAIN. I did manage to get the plastic > off of one small rear fender tail bead with ten minutes of high heat from the > heat gun. The same approach did not proof effective on the larger rear > fender > bead. I also attempted to remove the plastic with buffing and nylon brush > wheels on my Dremel. The Dremel proved useless too. I tired acetone to > soften the plastic with no success. > > Does anyone have an effective way to remove the plastic coating from the > fender beads? Pleas4e let me know if there is a good way to remove this > plastic. > Best regards, > Tom > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr@adelphia.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 9 14:34:14 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 868562584B16 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2014 14:34:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp0.ctinetworks.com (smtp0.ctinetworks.com [205.166.61.207]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D484258453E for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2014 14:28:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DavePC (75.97.219.115.res-cmts.sth3.ptd.net [75.97.219.115]) by smtp0.ctinetworks.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E65EBF5D89; Tue, 9 Sep 2014 16:31:23 -0400 (EDT) From: "dave willner" To: "tom white" , References: Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 16:30:57 -0400 Subject: Re: [TR] Wing bead kit plastic protective coating. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thatbs terrible news, unacceptable for a supplier to offer/sell anything in that manner. I'm a huge TRF fan, but that shouldn't be...I'd send it back and look elsewhere, hard enough installing let alone prepping it now Dave Willner Stroudsburg, PA 59 TR3A BRG 70 MGB BRG 70 BSA 441 VS -----Original Message----- From: tom white Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 2:43 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Wing bead kit plastic protective coating. Hi List, I bought a wing bead kit from TRF for my 1960 TR3A. Today I unpacked one to install on a rear fender. The beads have all been covered with a black plastic protective coating. No problem just peel and strip, WRONG AND IMPOSSIBLE. I called TRF and their suggestion was use a hair dryer of low setting on my heat gun to strip the plastic, WRONG AGAIN. I did manage to get the plastic off of one small rear fender tail bead with ten minutes of high heat from the heat gun. The same approach did not proof effective on the larger rear fender bead. I also attempted to remove the plastic with buffing and nylon brush wheels on my Dremel. The Dremel proved useless too. I tired acetone to soften the plastic with no success. Does anyone have an effective way to remove the plastic coating from the fender beads? Pleas4e let me know if there is a good way to remove this plastic. Best regards, Tom ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/davewillner@pa.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 9 14:50:31 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55D2025845CD for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2014 14:50:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from walmailout05.yourhostingaccount.com (walmailout05.yourhostingaccount.com [65.254.253.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21DA5258457E for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2014 14:41:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from walmailscan15.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.15.15] helo=walmailscan15.yourhostingaccount.com) by walmailout05.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1XRSGi-0005gn-V6 for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 09 Sep 2014 16:44:04 -0400 Received: from [10.114.3.31] (helo=walimpout11) by walmailscan15.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1XRSGi-0005mj-Rf for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 09 Sep 2014 16:44:04 -0400 Received: from walwebmail07.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.16.7]) by walimpout11 with id p8k11o00P098Zia018k41r; Tue, 09 Sep 2014 16:44:04 -0400 a=qnR/rrf4y7rOidud/oaubA==:117 a=GYzHc3mh05v8unprsQ0nVQ==:17 a=pq4jwCggAAAA:8 a=OF-CdTOGAAAA:8 a=dSNgoBpBW2kA:10 a=kjhCZeR7XLcA:10 a=6_M-JwbXaDoA:10 a=wg63zuhbB7gA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=yCwGVx20AAAA:8 a=ObD0-6JFAAAA:8 a=ebxf4Och0MKCbdanhPMA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=email.accountsupport.com) by walwebmail07.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1XRSGL-0008UD-38; Tue, 09 Sep 2014 16:43:42 -0400 Received: from 69.180.140.196 (SquirrelMail authenticated user greg@gelhar.com) by email.accountsupport.com with HTTP; Tue, 9 Sep 2014 16:43:41 -0400 References: Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 16:43:41 -0400 From: greg@gelhar.com To: "tom white" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.19 Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Wing bead kit plastic protective coating. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I agree, that black plastic film does not peel easily. I remember shaving it off with little effort. Don't be in a hurry. Greg G. Osseo, MN > Hi List, > > I bought a wing bead kit from TRF for my 1960 TR3A. Today I unpacked one > to > install on a rear fender. The beads have all been covered with a black > plastic protective coating. No problem just peel and strip, WRONG AND > IMPOSSIBLE. > > I called TRF and their suggestion was use a hair dryer of low setting on > my > heat gun to strip the plastic, WRONG AGAIN. I did manage to get the > plastic > off of one small rear fender tail bead with ten minutes of high heat from > the > heat gun. The same approach did not proof effective on the larger rear > fender > bead. I also attempted to remove the plastic with buffing and nylon brush > wheels on my Dremel. The Dremel proved useless too. I tired acetone to > soften the plastic with no success. > > Does anyone have an effective way to remove the plastic coating from the > fender beads? Pleas4e let me know if there is a good way to remove this > plastic. > Best regards, > Tom ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 9 16:09:29 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2D1C25845E4 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2014 16:09:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC3S35.hotmail.com (blu004-omc3s35.hotmail.com [65.55.116.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73AA0258068A for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2014 16:08:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU180-W24 ([65.55.116.74]) by BLU004-OMC3S35.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22724); Tue, 9 Sep 2014 15:11:17 -0700 From: tom white To: "greg@gelhar.com" Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 22:11:16 +0000 References: , <8a838ba25b73a6a6d85a5203c0497c62.squirrel@email.accountsupport.com> FILETIME=[FA13C5F0:01CFCC7A] Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Wing bead kit plastic protective coating. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Does anyone have a source for wing beads other than TRF or Moss who both get the same black plastic covered beads? Best regards, Tom > Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 16:43:41 -0400 > Subject: Re: [TR] Wing bead kit plastic protective coating. > From: greg@gelhar.com > To: tswhitez123@hotmail.com > CC: triumphs@autox.team.net > > I agree, that black plastic film does not peel easily. I remember shaving > it off with little effort. Don't be in a hurry. > > > Greg G. > Osseo, MN > > > > > Hi List, > > > > I bought a wing bead kit from TRF for my 1960 TR3A. Today I unpacked one > > to > > install on a rear fender. The beads have all been covered with a black > > plastic protective coating. No problem just peel and strip, WRONG AND > > IMPOSSIBLE. > > > > I called TRF and their suggestion was use a hair dryer of low setting on > > my > > heat gun to strip the plastic, WRONG AGAIN. I did manage to get the > > plastic > > off of one small rear fender tail bead with ten minutes of high heat from > > the > > heat gun. The same approach did not proof effective on the larger rear > > fender > > bead. I also attempted to remove the plastic with buffing and nylon brush > > wheels on my Dremel. The Dremel proved useless too. I tired acetone to > > soften the plastic with no success. > > > > Does anyone have an effective way to remove the plastic coating from the > > fender beads? Pleas4e let me know if there is a good way to remove this > > plastic. > > Best regards, > > Tom ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 9 17:06:21 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02B0B2584BAC for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2014 17:06:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from dnvrco-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.232]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 712A52580764 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2014 17:00:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [67.249.131.108] ([67.249.131.108:59666] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by dnvrco-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id D0/9A-06155-1378F045; Tue, 09 Sep 2014 23:03:13 +0000 Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2014 19:03:13 -0400 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.0 To: tom white , Triumphs List References: , <8D4C2950-0E62-491D-A1F5-E366C4938872@flash.net>, <540F586C.8070807@adelphia.net> a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:117 a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:17 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=L6cYEwWsmEAA:10 a=kjhCZeR7XLcA:10 a=6_M-JwbXaDoA:10 a=uYRmwVSfly8A:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=9iDbn-4jx3cA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=bV0iEj13AAAA:8 a=69EAbJreAAAA:8 a=Ow_pB98H1AFbyazXEjAA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=9X_zMSMRwuAA:10 a=8NYWoh9r7MQA:10 a=EfJqPEOeqlMA:10 a=hDNj1DO-lbwFrBcLy-EA:9 a=Pm066nobte39LgI3:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 Subject: Re: [TR] Wing bead kit plastic protective coating. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Ok, I thought the plastic was only on the tabs, not the actual bead. Then I agree, send it back and try another vendor. Bob On 09/09/2014 06:04 PM, tom white wrote: > The plastic coating is black not polished stainless steel. > > > Best regards, > Tom > > > Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 15:43:40 -0400 > > From: yellowtr@adelphia.net > > CC: triumphs@autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [TR] Wing bead kit plastic protective coating. > > > > Hello, > > > > Is there some reason you dont want to leave the plastic on? I put tape > > on mine before install to insure no scratches on the paint. > > > > Bob > > > > On 09/09/2014 03:27 PM, Wbeech@flash.net wrote: > > > I have a set of the same beading from TRF, not yet installed. > Better go check > > > it out. If anyone has the solution please post it to the full list. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > Sent from mobile Bill > > > > > > On Sep 9, 2014, at 1:43 PM, tom white wrote: > > > > > > Hi List, > > > > > > I bought a wing bead kit from TRF for my 1960 TR3A. Today I > unpacked one to > > > install on a rear fender. The beads have all been covered with a black > > > plastic protective coating. No problem just peel and strip, WRONG AND > > > IMPOSSIBLE. > > > > > > I called TRF and their suggestion was use a hair dryer of low > setting on my > > > heat gun to strip the plastic, WRONG AGAIN. I did manage to get > the plastic > > > off of one small rear fender tail bead with ten minutes of high > heat from the > > > heat gun. The same approach did not proof effective on the larger rear > > > fender > > > bead. I also attempted to remove the plastic with buffing and > nylon brush > > > wheels on my Dremel. The Dremel proved useless too. I tired acetone to > > > soften the plastic with no success. > > > > > > Does anyone have an effective way to remove the plastic coating > from the > > > fender beads? Pleas4e let me know if there is a good way to remove > this > > > plastic. > > > Best regards, > > > Tom ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 9 17:24:07 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFD0B258522D for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2014 17:24:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.232]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 391572580764 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2014 17:23:34 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge03 smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [107.14.174.248] ([107.14.174.248:49527] helo=cdptpa-web21) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id 75/DD-05246-E9C8F045; Tue, 09 Sep 2014 23:26:22 +0000 Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 23:26:22 +0000 From: Randall Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Sensitivity: Normal 2014 23:26:22 +0000 Subject: Re: [TR] Wing bead kit plastic protective coating. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- tom white wrote: > Does anyone have a source for wing beads other than TRF or Moss who both get > the same black plastic covered beads? No, but I had no problem removing the plastic from the ones I got from TRF. Just like masking tape, scrape up one end until there is enough to pull on, then pull it off. Had a few small places to touch up, but no problems. You might try adding some PB Blaster along the edge. I've found that it will soften the adhesive behind old labels. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 10 06:29:26 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4050D25845E3 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2014 06:29:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm23-vm3.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm23-vm3.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45F9B25807CE for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2014 06:28:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.39.60.170] by nm23.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2014 12:31:36 -0000 Received: from [216.39.60.230] by tm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2014 12:31:36 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1001.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2014 12:31:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 26189 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Sep 2014 12:31:36 -0000 s=s1024; t=1410352296; bh=+nQt5cVVHD7IxYvyMyaRiojkAtALBjIEVIgj30QRntM=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=I7SskT3YFe8iJdpQoC70kJ3aSWSXvM0DCDXOHkX1rdqrkscGGnLu/g8XF7x5Toz6q2mT8rJ4MMrxxrA+3EfcWIW5zDhDKk59vGJY6JExVYlbSb2z1C4sUj6DG0jZMg3IFVIZJ3/qQLEtcoHvwFnLUDxpTG4Oh/4VgN8sEm5knYQ= Mmvly_QmaIDG.EZNtkp5HGjD0TBEbrRnMDNU0P19MJwiCgOTW12Wl286hliO k8yQcJAhZQuSJvbEgUARaAHlj5HXMOfFD0OPkcVE8d9IJ9knBp1zJ9cIIrDA 5i6DQPSPG7vP0kS64z8jb5EQ_Yy46NM9NTL0f9d3BXKrYDdl7eOcB0bPD1ge 7XmkiWXHpj8OU.vPLJYZxhnVCcS3UeM1kxPMrumpd53eiYjArs8_o8y3xfYp Xo3y1G.kx5ogjfhi.yb2gnXGs1sh1thE29Qc2X4_wGwdo3VCTJhdNIi.u9FI T5_bclfE.ilMBMVde_.yMjkMCBAbGw6WbfLrGpSA_VjJJKKFoSwUllJI7oHW tM2fhTjcsn.ISKApt_9BvL_ilMJT.xV6idTSRmSZ.C9l.X9_0yjcYU4vwRH9 aH4yjctgrsLSdB.Bwl3sqkNziJpu5rcSI1UuW.8wjpGTKJ.RTgJSG4Ouf9vj oGj9QyJwJeuNgM.dOyu31WKnqxFu_QFBicd4DzuRrGvCIkfzbWffe8ITL_oh ws54VQpg- Received: from [108.220.117.220] by web180904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 10 Sep 2014 05:31:36 PDT ICAgICBNeSBpZ25pdGlvbiBzd2l0Y2ggb24gbXkgMTk3NCBUUjYgaXMgcHJvYmxlbWF0aWMuIFRoZSBiYWNrIG9mIHRoZSBzd2l0Y2ggaXMgYWxsIHdvYmJseSBhbmQgeW91IGhhdmUgdG8gc3RpY2sgeW91ciBoYW5kIGJlaGluZCB0aGUgc3dpdGNoIGFuZCBwdXNoIGl0IGluIHRvIGdldCBjb250YWN0IHRvIHN0YXJ0IHRoZSBjYXIuCiAgICAgTGFzdCBuaWdodCBJIGxhaWQgb24gbXkgYmFjayBhbmQgZ290IGJhY2sgdGhlcmUgYW5kIHRoZSB3aG9sZSB0aGluZyBqdXN0IHNvcnQgb2Ygd29iYmxlZCBhcGFydC4BMAEBAQE- Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 05:31:36 -0700 From: William Brewer To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] TR6 Ignition Switch Questions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net My ignition switch on my 1974 TR6 is problematic. The back of the switch is all wobbly and you have to stick your hand behind the switch and push it in to get contact to start the car. Last night I laid on my back and got back there and the whole thing just sort of wobbled apart. Now I am not sure how to get it back together. 1. Was there supposed to be a screw that holds it all together tight? 2. The metal socket that the porcelain part pushes in to is all wobbly. Is there a way to tighten it up? 3. A steel ball, like a ball bearing, fell out. Where does that go? 4. Is there a link somewhere to a TR6 ignition switch rebuilding website? 5. How hard is it and how long does it take to change out the ignition switch? The steering wheel lock looks like something to avoid messing with. 6. Should I just get a new switch and start over? Please help! It might be best to contact me off-list. TIA, -Bill Brewer ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 10 09:54:14 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A42825852E5 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2014 09:54:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m02.mx.aol.com (omr-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.76]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D3032584630 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2014 09:54:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mca02.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mca02.mx.aol.com [172.26.221.80]) by omr-m02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id B89DF703102EF; Wed, 10 Sep 2014 11:56:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moa001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moa001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.233.1]) by mtaomg-mca02.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id F0BC138000082; Wed, 10 Sep 2014 11:56:51 -0400 (EDT) References: <1410352296.99910.YahooMailNeo@web180904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> To: triumphs@autox.team.net, wsb1960tr3a@att.net From: Dave Received: from 68.188.78.74 by webmail-va132.sysops.aol.com (149.174.96.118) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 10 Sep 2014 11:56:51 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 11:56:51 -0400 x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20140625; t=1410364612; bh=l1T63UcTtzaVTxVTYhDn9gQGYS5z57Qvyj8ODyeM3yA=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GfYqmBdmAUKmrXZrw5Z1psbTMpvuWHJjDPeYoeOkEd5aePZC+IbY4JcG7y2xxx4v7 bP3n7O/G71Log2JO9TffszHBVpwVQ3GPpfpXPGAQkOXYemEENnz9iPBmZCEw/LWVrN e2SuvGyzJA3dycd7TZIdJMkrNRikM8KQcpiehzAc= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1add50541074c30ba8 Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Ignition Switch Questions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Indeed there is as illustrated in this plate in the TRF catalog: http://trf.zeni.net/TR6greenbook/index.php?page=29 Dave -----Original Message----- From: William Brewer My ignition switch on my 1974 TR6 is problematic. The back of the switch is all wobbly and you have to stick your hand behind the switch and push it in to get contact to start the car. Last night I laid on my back and got back there and the whole thing just sort of wobbled apart. Now I am not sure how to get it back together. 1. Was there supposed to be a screw that holds it all together tight? 2. The metal socket that the porcelain part pushes in to is all wobbly. Is there a way to tighten it up? 3. A steel ball, like a ball bearing, fell out. Where does that go? 4. Is there a link somewhere to a TR6 ignition switch rebuilding website? 5. How hard is it and how long does it take to change out the ignition switch? The steering wheel lock looks like something to avoid messing with. 6. Should I just get a new switch and start over? Please help! It might be best to contact me off-list. TIA, -Bill Brewer ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 10 10:48:08 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F072925849CA for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2014 10:48:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f175.google.com (mail-lb0-f175.google.com [209.85.217.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAA8625846ED for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2014 10:47:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f175.google.com with SMTP id v6so5097092lbi.20 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2014 09:50:17 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=CTkQw0aLFzIg9+tmUPQYrP1INrFLpiWJMEudVjdkV/U=; b=IDKfO2UfYreMnh1TowP8jM9wqmNSD/PDTlWX5BXmdFV9qE+HZ4640m/s77hr8/K7rJ LuaQkq4sF4K060tmWxr13220tUPeuw/fSD1uikkul5gtI4QZ4esEm/Fi1a7qJz742n28 GuUqZopHj3hxZbAW3SCcwuonXu+VV2lNGMtNvRTT2pxj8xhwoulaxJ2VkwNCkTqgeOMK b48IOpmLuurRgeV6qTTUiUhoffgA1w8St1Ft8eQikgJEQmWGMdZi4H9MztWdRzaiGU3f qTvWN2y5x4acyI7qRnmhGB5XrRGjsWrCLDHyWWIxEnXMWN0vC7z27a0H7BLRVwYfmQFf 7U3Q== ay11mr42844464lab.38.1410367817148; Wed, 10 Sep 2014 09:50:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.161.33 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Sep 2014 09:50:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 12:50:17 -0400 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: "Triumphs (triumphs@autox.team.net)" Subject: [TR] TR6 Gearshift Boot Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net 1975 TR6...tidying up some odds and ends. I now have the lower rubber piece of the boot that snaps into the cardboard gearbox cover. I tried to snap the upper rubber piece (that hides inside the upper boot) over this, but it's far too small to go around. Having never seen one properly attached, I'm left with two conclusions: 1. This isn't the way it's supposed to work; or 2. My upper boot is old and petrified and shrunken like a cannibal's trophy. Can anyone help me decide? Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 10 14:16:24 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EE1C2580936 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2014 14:16:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com [17.158.236.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 493B5258069D for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2014 14:15:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [140.211.95.176] (unknown [140.211.95.176]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.10(7.0.4.27.9) 64bit (built Jun 6 2014)) with ESMTPSA id <0NBP0062XCEQE750@nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Wed, 10 Sep 2014 20:18:27 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.12.52,1.0.28,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-09-10_04:2014-09-09,2014-09-10,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1402240000 definitions=main-1409100166 From: Jeffrey Gayton Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 13:18:26 -0700 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Positive or Negative Earth Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Greetings. I'm having trouble finding out if my '62 TR4 has been converted from positive to negative earth. Online sources say to check and see if the grounding strap is connected to the positive or negative terminal of the battery. Sadly, my battery doesn't have + or - signs on it. The grounded terminal is labelled red, which suggests the car is still positive earth, but the other terminal is green rather than black. What's more, both the green and red indicators are rounds of felt around the terminals rather than part of the battery itself, so I can't be sure that whatever they're trying to indicate is actually true. I tried looking online for the battery itself, but couldn't get any hits. It's a Martech battery, part #27C-715, and it says it's manufactured by Maritime Batteries. Oh, and the terminals are the same size, so I can't use the-larger-terminal-is-generally-positive test. Thanks in advance for any help. -- Jeff ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 10 14:37:47 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71C7F2580831 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2014 14:37:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp01.enterhost.com (smtp01.enterhost.com [208.65.128.195]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0D1A2580777 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2014 14:37:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail05.enterhost.com [208.65.128.198] by smtp01.enterhost.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A71E322005C; Wed, 10 Sep 2014 15:39:58 -0500 Received: from 99-187-240-202.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net [99.187.240.202] by mail05.enterhost.com with SMTP; Wed, 10 Sep 2014 15:39:46 -0500 From: "G.D. Huggins" Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 15:39:48 -0500 References: <330E0262-074E-425A-9F1D-94D673CAAC95@icloud.com> To: Jeffrey Gayton Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Positive or Negative Earth Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Jeffrey, I quick test would be to use a testing light. Attach one lead of the light to a known ground and try the other lead on both terminals. Provided the battery holds charge, the one that makes the light glow is positive! A multimeter would do the same On Sep 10, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Jeffrey Gayton wrote: > Greetings. I'm having trouble finding out if my '62 TR4 has been converted > from positive to negative earth. Online sources say to check and see if the > grounding strap is connected to the positive or negative terminal of the > battery. Sadly, my battery doesn't have + or - signs on it. The grounded > terminal is labelled red, which suggests the car is still positive earth, but > the other terminal is green rather than black. What's more, both the green and > red indicators are rounds of felt around the terminals rather than part of the > battery itself, so I can't be sure that whatever they're trying to indicate is > actually true. > > I tried looking online for the battery itself, but couldn't get any hits. It's > a Martech battery, part #27C-715, and it says it's manufactured by Maritime > Batteries. > > Oh, and the terminals are the same size, so I can't use > the-larger-terminal-is-generally-positive test. > > Thanks in advance for any help. > > > > -- Jeff > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/guy@genfiniti.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 10 14:53:19 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCF072584C75 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2014 14:53:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d08.mx.aol.com (omr-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.207]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FC992580777 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2014 14:51:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mad02.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mad02.mx.aol.com [172.26.221.208]) by omr-d08.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 0F299700443D1; Wed, 10 Sep 2014 16:54:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moe001b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moe001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.65]) by mtaomg-mad02.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 9F74E38000082; Wed, 10 Sep 2014 16:54:41 -0400 (EDT) References: <330E0262-074E-425A-9F1D-94D673CAAC95@icloud.com> To: jtgayton@icloud.com, triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Received: from 68.188.78.74 by webmail-va045.sysops.aol.com (149.174.96.89) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 10 Sep 2014 16:54:41 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 16:54:41 -0400 x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20140625; t=1410382482; bh=cehruGP73svaYRQi1gIJUg1PrBywDUEkJzi816iNaAU=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=X+EGxa4IpDJgv+whN+mA0tDSQAgJGJa49ojOQBH1rhvi5LDuv+irrKeNKacte/WIj 2TdHypQ3oJK6A1BAPBuaIeJVlQ3sMEhcpmtqT5ytXBWV4bGoD08wrfl0EuNnQMjr9n 7Yyn3hZhCxNTvcKgHEhbT8yoSu4UvoOjMPEvW6wo= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1addd05410ba917c75 Subject: Re: [TR] Positive or Negative Earth Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Use your voltmeter and see which directions give you a positive reading and which gives you a negative reading. You don't have a voltmeter, you say? Well, you should if you plan on doing any electrical troubleshooting. They're cheap and handy to keep around. Or you could look closely on the battery. They typically have a "+" or "-" molded into the batter case. Also the positive terminal is a bit larger in diameter. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Jeffrey Gayton To: triumphs Sent: Wed, Sep 10, 2014 3:18 pm Subject: [TR] Positive or Negative Earth Greetings. I'm having trouble finding out if my '62 TR4 has been converted from positive to negative earth. Online sources say to check and see if the grounding strap is connected to the positive or negative terminal of the battery. Sadly, my battery doesn't have + or - signs on it. The grounded terminal is labelled red, which suggests the car is still positive earth, but the other terminal is green rather than black. What's more, both the green and red indicators are rounds of felt around the terminals rather than part of the battery itself, so I can't be sure that whatever they're trying to indicate is actually true. I tried looking online for the battery itself, but couldn't get any hits. It's a Martech battery, part #27C-715, and it says it's manufactured by Maritime Batteries. Oh, and the terminals are the same size, so I can't use the-larger-terminal-is-generally-positive test. Thanks in advance for any help. -- Jeff ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Donate: Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dave1massey@cs.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 10 14:53:43 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 055E62584C96 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2014 14:53:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB6722580777 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2014 14:52:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DELLPC ([32.218.137.168]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mreueus001) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MY5Mk-1Xnpuc14xU-00UtoB; Wed, 10 Sep 2014 22:55:01 +0200 From: "Bob Danielson" <75TR6@TR6.Danielsonfamily.org> To: "Jeff Scarbrough" , References: Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 16:54:55 -0400 IWIwOeWzK4xLtfoGOPlGgupWa4kGelLxw5rXAyUtcqOc3XdbKd f05DBjYK3zG+ywz3G0krCoMOpY0UDYUBjIJzoyCKb2ZHILH3OH OtEfHiQyEMAP8A59aILKDln/x8/NNrFsiqhaQinlEKtDWz0ano +gVxMW3j0SCwbY43S3O6u3zkmWnJ52pPbMwZq0owG5S20WxpQg GYm1WSzXVBpiQLFHewL04UPFcU7LFqMkSsIEBHwe9YtHV+qm/+ OwENv9rEfBJXAUma/vdWZagyhdHCXdi/ZzF9s//nxteHDGziC0 Y28zm7R0IMN8BnA7Y376c+NN9l0FXoA/rPwsMWTxX Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Gearshift Boot Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I've got pictures I can send you and there's also pictures of how it all goes together in the 6-Pack Forum (www.6-pack.org) from a thread about that very subject. Bob Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/PanelBootSales1.htm Custom Interiors & Boot Covers http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/FenderBlanket.htm Fender Blankets -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Scarbrough Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 12:50 PM To: Triumphs (triumphs@autox.team.net) Subject: [TR] TR6 Gearshift Boot 1975 TR6...tidying up some odds and ends. I now have the lower rubber piece of the boot that snaps into the cardboard gearbox cover. I tried to snap the upper rubber piece (that hides inside the upper boot) over this, but it's far too small to go around. Having never seen one properly attached, I'm left with two conclusions: 1. This isn't the way it's supposed to work; or 2. My upper boot is old and petrified and shrunken like a cannibal's trophy. Can anyone help me decide? Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Grommet1.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Grommet2.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Grommet3.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Grommet4.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Grommet5.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Grommet6.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of GrommetAll.JPG] ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 10 14:56:49 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 740652584673 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2014 14:56:49 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FEBD2580706 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2014 14:56:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DELLPC ([32.218.137.168]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mreueus003) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LhMWM-1Y5EGz2eXY-00mcSv; Wed, 10 Sep 2014 22:59:13 +0200 From: "Bob Danielson" <75TR6@TR6.Danielsonfamily.org> To: "William Brewer" , "Triumphs" References: <1410352296.99910.YahooMailNeo@web180904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 16:59:14 -0400 lyXMzq5haBVte4nesGeZDeaavXMqwL3BnJAq7uv4Nspgro1kh/ e4fBDtc1i/mo/49PuYu+OqGhR7O5tSxPr+XMqahmEajYFOb+8n cpxKNG8HXa2DYaaVfiU+U1942usZ9IfuTN3NKjWzsnXRq8H8QP EeEWqP62gR500ZcQa7zqN4Xv9wRaJSpL8/A7ryWJ+brkCtoJaX ufAmgY1qNktFTX38rkK7fK1NIi0d/HbGKLLDTZiTnvValv7lY6 CSDAHagJb1kyClrYf12YkYDj8P+mY+d9S3l/92IoS/Y9InZZwI z1RTHjDlcqeM1vrJZLmJUGZ7UzHb1QXctwBJ4j7+C Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Ignition Switch Questions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net As you can see from the attached diagram, there is a very small set screw that holds the two pieces together. Can't help you with the other questions. Bob Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/ 1975 Mimosa TR6 TBI, 5 Speed, LSD, CVJs -----Original Message----- From: William Brewer Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 8:31 AM To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] TR6 Ignition Switch Questions My ignition switch on my 1974 TR6 is problematic. The back of the switch is all wobbly and you have to stick your hand behind the switch and push it in to get contact to start the car. Last night I laid on my back and got back there and the whole thing just sort of wobbled apart. Now I am not sure how to get it back together. 1. Was there supposed to be a screw that holds it all together tight? 2. The metal socket that the porcelain part pushes in to is all wobbly. Is there a way to tighten it up? 3. A steel ball, like a ball bearing, fell out. Where does that go? 4. Is there a link somewhere to a TR6 ignition switch rebuilding website? 5. How hard is it and how long does it take to change out the ignition switch? The steering wheel lock looks like something to avoid messing with. 6. Should I just get a new switch and start over? Please help! It might be best to contact me off-list. TIA, -Bill Brewer ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of IgnitionSwitch.jpg] ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 10 16:09:44 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D0B02584C86 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2014 16:09:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f182.google.com (mail-vc0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EF7C2584C5D for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2014 16:09:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f182.google.com with SMTP id le20so5292419vcb.13 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2014 15:11:58 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=RNvgnxUAGz3zWtDpt8H4Zb55vSp2WCLrd/y2GbZUYBM=; b=ea66H2CK/wvanX2p+OfqXTa6dJfs/1o+OMdaIhbHtBzJwP4aksyKMRriIkxekO58kN LTN24/Vsr9SSTiXM7XQ/xsZEQs0hbQYxrlKi+gRVwKtNNTPn3iqhauJqhtUjk1TSBbJU lpmB4AhzHeenzTHZiQqvjVQOpsifX78ZrLWVqW3FWtVJxJrczVPwBCth/EHBGygH8g/y CsZImsTNpQKNx0qyJ4J9SlyJ23llLor8JrpgFZDQs8TLV52EmVA7qnb8Zt35/RQif0Eu bfEcSTJSTosJ6L439coPtTsPY6ELinQIN07bG2as7Im1sSqd5A4rAZgpkeoJVuB6zm+n Q4+A== g6mr19135369vdk.34.1410387118062; Wed, 10 Sep 2014 15:11:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.27.99 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Sep 2014 15:11:58 -0700 (PDT) References: <330E0262-074E-425A-9F1D-94D673CAAC95@icloud.com> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 15:11:58 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Jeffrey Gayton Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Positive or Negative Earth Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Those felt circles are add-ons and thus not reliable. It is possible that one of them conceals the usual polarity mark. In addition to the suggested use of a meter, you may note that the positive post is noticeably larger in diameter than the negative post. If, after figuring out the battery, you are uncertain whether your car the car has had its polarity changed, the simplest thing to do is just decide which you want it to be (positive or negative ground) and conduct the very quick & easy conversion procedure. IOW, you do not need to know what it is to to the procedure and doing it unnecessarily is harmless. Geo On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Jeffrey Gayton wrote: > Greetings. I'm having trouble finding out if my '62 TR4 has been converted > from positive to negative earth. Online sources say to check and see if the > grounding strap is connected to the positive or negative terminal of the > battery. Sadly, my battery doesn't have + or - signs on it. The grounded > terminal is labelled red, which suggests the car is still positive earth, > but > the other terminal is green rather than black. What's more, both the green > and > red indicators are rounds of felt around the terminals rather than part of > the > battery itself, so I can't be sure that whatever they're trying to > indicate is > actually true. > > I tried looking online for the battery itself, but couldn't get any hits. > It's > a Martech battery, part #27C-715, and it says it's manufactured by Maritime > Batteries. > > Oh, and the terminals are the same size, so I can't use > the-larger-terminal-is-generally-positive test. > > Thanks in advance for any help. > > > > -- Jeff > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 10 18:01:57 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 354682584C96 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2014 18:01:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.230]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31C862580871 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2014 18:01:16 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge02 smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [107.14.174.248] ([107.14.174.248:30885] helo=cdptpa-web21) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id A2/AB-10674-4F6E0145; Thu, 11 Sep 2014 00:04:04 +0000 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 0:04:04 +0000 From: Randall To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sensitivity: Normal 2014 0:04:04 +0000 Subject: Re: [TR] Positive or Negative Earth Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Dave wrote: > You don't have a voltmeter, you say? > Well, you should if you plan on > doing any electrical troubleshooting. If you own an old car, you should have a meter even if you don't _plan_ to do any troubleshooting! Digital multimeters (which will function as voltmeters) have gotten so cheap, and so rugged, that there is no excuse not to have one in every old car you own. Harbor Freight almost always has one or more of them on sale for under $10; at the moment I count 3 different models under $10. If that's too much, check out eBay. Here's one for $5 with free shipping in the US. http://goo.gl/005R2n Not as accurate as more expensive models, but way better than nothing. And if it breaks, just buy another. There's also a way to do it with a couple pieces of copper wire and a potato, but I haven't tried it since high school and might not remember all the details. As I recall, you cut the potato (to make it easier to see), sprinkle a little salt on it and jam the wires in fairly close to each other but not close enough to touch. The potato will turn green or yellow around one of the wires; that's the positive wire. Be sure to discard the potato afterwards. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 10 18:57:10 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F5AA2584C56 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2014 18:57:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 932F12580871 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2014 18:57:01 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge01 smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [107.14.174.248] ([107.14.174.248:46997] helo=cdptpa-web21) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id 9F/83-28266-604F0145; Thu, 11 Sep 2014 00:59:50 +0000 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 0:59:50 +0000 From: Randall Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Sensitivity: Normal 2014 0:59:50 +0000 Subject: Re: [TR] Positive or Negative Earth Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Attach one lead of the light to a known ground and try the other lead on both > terminals. > Provided the battery holds charge, the one that makes the light glow is > positive! That's true only if the car is negative ground. If the car is positive ground, then the one that makes the light glow is negative. The advantage of the meter is that it will tell you polarity. A test light lights the same either way. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 11 10:34:40 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08238258461B for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2014 10:34:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com [17.158.236.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F1C7258076E for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2014 10:34:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [140.211.95.176] (unknown [140.211.95.176]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.10(7.0.4.27.9) 64bit (built Jun 6 2014)) with ESMTPSA id <0NBQ008F4WTR8NB0@nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Thu, 11 Sep 2014 16:37:04 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.12.52,1.0.28,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-09-11_06:2014-09-11,2014-09-11,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1402240000 definitions=main-1409110133 From: Jeffrey Gayton Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 09:37:02 -0700 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Positive or Negative Earth Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks, as always, to everyone who wrote to suggest using a multimeter. I wasn't able to get a reading with my semi-random attempts to set the meter correctly. Guess I'll have to break out the instruction manual, which I fortunately saved. Thanks again, all! ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 12 08:54:43 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0207F2580B7C for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 08:54:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo102.cox.net (fed1rmfepo102.cox.net [68.230.241.144]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AD0F25806FA for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 08:54:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo306 ([68.230.241.174]) by fed1rmfepo102.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20140912145722.ULMW5235.fed1rmfepo102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo306> for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 10:57:22 -0400 Received: from PBR2 ([70.189.240.125]) by fed1rmimpo306 with cox id qExN1o00A2j24ku01ExNgt; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 10:57:22 -0400 a=izfUicukdOpcIldU0IRT7A==:17 a=2opTT_q_fZIA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=bsJJkP8eL9u3cqjysT4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=rzSo3inbiVIA:10 a=1fMe8s2OcekA:10 a=ZmekN1f_RlMA:10 a=rUb1R2cHQ0gA:10 a=xx_0wm9935AA:10 a=izfUicukdOpcIldU0IRT7A==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) smtp.auth=jpaynepbr@cox.net From: "Jonas Payne" To: Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 07:57:31 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac/OmeCTNzlAMvwXT4KbCCFnEWFaGQ== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] TR3 Hood Lift Mechanism Needed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I am in need of a used Hood lift mechanism for a customer's TR3 Moss part No. 802-620 If anybody has one for sale, please contact me. Thank you, Jonas Payne PBR Consulting Services, LLC 702.882.6711 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 12 11:06:08 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75FD72584456 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 11:06:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f45.google.com (mail-la0-f45.google.com [209.85.215.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 528F42580975 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 11:05:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f45.google.com with SMTP id b17so1377613lan.18 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 10:08:13 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=3Ai+gXmfgWEzwwFSlwF09laUhk9eAVWMemuv5kEcdgo=; b=dFGR1r56oY445yvqQI3Z+VWuHXokw9ZXiURPKnMpMoNGpUsSA0s+752pCX9mLuSlgi Z8ySS25OaV8WPKpc06aFvYs4o2ZXmtIIuZf1cFJqJpRWqv4xFg5/MYwM2Ztiv9ThFO1Y r3aBijhEFJrDCvcNTSI2PuHg3VoC9/7avfUfZqbGd9uYDQ5iPLuH0mZcu4KCeGJ2GYiB 3c1WUiByv80wkUKxRIUVGUBIJ2dE2zq6Pe9BMgZlZ+slpzeNvRREFaPnrXuF/s+rE4if hiEjUfPle9fCjVnrtdQXKItYs03GVJOk1XRdk6lybpKWkQyPZegIPrYdwKSxUiiD2c3o bGLQ== j17mr10149498laa.77.1410541693215; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 10:08:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.79.132 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 10:07:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Simo Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 13:07:52 -0400 To: list Triumph Subject: [TR] Met some of our folks at VTR Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Was really nice to put some names with faces this week @ VTR in NC. So glad to see such a nice turnout for the event my club is hosting. After some unexpected delays, the hill climb went off with Marty Sukey's Spitfire leading the test runs up the course. We had 3 glorious ladies from Texas take to the hill climb and it was so much fun seeing these triumphs from the 1930's take to the course. I even got to tech one - a 1936 Gloria Southern Cross - wow! Lots of beautiful cars here and though I've been working super long days, it's been a pleasure to tech cars and get a chance to talk to their owners and poke around their beautiful cars. We even got a chance to do a few repairs we found during tech. Loose steering column due to worn grub screw, overheating from too lean mixture, one TR6 was running on the rear carb only, leaky intake, and a few more. I left greasy and tired, but that's all in a days work. Never seen so many TR8's in one place!! Chris ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 12 11:14:48 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7E8D2580BDD for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 11:14:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f171.google.com (mail-lb0-f171.google.com [209.85.217.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCB5C2580975 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 11:12:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f171.google.com with SMTP id 10so1305246lbg.2 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 10:15:18 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=k9WlxoNFng4F4CNEWd+gSoQvgtjUKAmo9FiPNSjZT/U=; b=xqV18pMpp2yd1J52BypHywUOx1jRnI0UaV+YiegNqiEYep5ufczONfQ2tmN/TUTnot SfOMdN2MXY81coIaQ0FzELx+cMwAYmqk892OCFq0iKkB2/Lv+ztRlf5MdZf7TaTDZFZ3 OgvoeiLmnHuqim37Ds28p2kpA7kT9x7uO6CowbLBHh9jJND0NOmgb4g+X2AC9E8k3bgh RsuRdOmdlxfsaAsvMQhsftK6VqjsZ/EHxHrB6oTC6gqVxtnZBtWh2zCMngWPAOZZw7u7 huFLWLR+GIlZqPe0JM1vDTQURmTggw+KQuwCpNLM6o2SpgIK+XPd2xsAiCkRK2+RPCda WJDg== x8mr9732248lbg.104.1410542118485; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 10:15:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.79.132 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 10:14:58 -0700 (PDT) References: <20140911005950.J5FMA.325524.root@cdptpa-web21> From: Chris Simo Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 13:14:58 -0400 To: list Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] Positive or Negative Earth Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have a nice Fluke I keep in the garage, the rest of my triumphs have the harbor freight meter in the trunk. Most/all of them were bought with free coupons. I'll keep picking them up as more free coupons become available as spares. I also keep a test light with alligator leads to do simple testing, one LED version for polarity and one incandescent flavor for a bit more load current. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 12 11:56:59 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BE6D2580BDC for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 11:56:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtpout001.mac.com [17.158.236.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6007B2580B7C for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 11:56:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [140.211.95.176] (unknown [140.211.95.176]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.10(7.0.4.27.9) 64bit (built Jun 6 2014)) with ESMTPSA id <0NBS00FINVB5QK70@nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 17:59:30 +0000 (GMT) From: Jeffrey Gayton Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 10:59:29 -0700 To: triumphs@autox.team.net engine=2.50.10432:5.12.52,1.0.28,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-09-12_07:2014-09-12,2014-09-12,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1402240000 definitions=main-1409120162 Subject: [TR] Positive Ground It Is! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Looks like I need a new multimeter. I followed everyone's instructions (and the manual's as well) and couldn't get a reading of any kind. I wasn't able to test the meter on my more modern car because the positive lead was sealed up tight, I'm guessing for safety. But at Dave's suggestion, I took a closer look at the battery and found markings behind the posts. I've got a positive earth car! Thanks again for everyone's help. Now I can order some LED tail lights. Any recommendations about going with an electronic flasher or LED load resistor. I'm leaning towards the latter.... ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 12 12:02:45 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B38A42584538 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 12:02:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f52.google.com (mail-la0-f52.google.com [209.85.215.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3880A25844DB for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 12:00:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-la0-f52.google.com with SMTP id b8so1477116lan.11 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 11:03:35 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ushDPnmFI07eBlhLhJnGUzyiiD/e9OcE2pELebPxnQs=; b=SArAzq5930nM7Pd+Vvjql0poaX24omt+JEOUunwFUrSXAdttDoXXhAFB7MHHyF7zMo 4YLWKr5TgRK38HdUi/gJrsKFMv45G2U9NJbTy31nbPq3alHKL6JUEpJeuh7rGjZ8aSAD Hd8+wcOalqsp6XgIMrCeL/HQUMFhtbI7KP7DPHin6CPdqYOZBdji5DJ85xX1l9c9AOsH ElCBbgiez8eIyNLshN8LAHzjfmthFwmCvb8FYUG9nTQZEXn/KrFJD3rzfOg/efKnifZy k8mv3VOf1y2YLlpyslqQBZFdoSIT7Beklh+hAaE5SbOYWcqy1XHN5qGYM1vxEPDsYjlT iuIw== pj5mr10078331lbb.47.1410545015337; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 11:03:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.161.33 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 11:03:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 14:03:35 -0400 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: "Triumphs (triumphs@autox.team.net)" Subject: [TR] Speedometer Cable Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net So, my speedometer is next on the list of things to be fettled...it bounces around quite a bit. I've lubricated the cables (sparingly!) in the past, without much success, so I'm willing to replace them. So, I know on my spitfire I can buy the UK-spec cable and eliminate the service counter. Can I use the early TR6 cable in a 1975 car to do the same, or is there no advantage/some potential unforeseen downside? Or should I just buy the upper and lower cables (on sale now) and be done with it? Or should I grow this small problem into a large one by taking apart and cleaning the instrument itself? Because I'm not afraid to get in well over my head... Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 12 12:30:51 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38CE725844F1 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 12:30:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from st11p02mm-asmtp001.mac.com (st11p02mm-asmtp001.mac.com [17.172.220.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E44822580449 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 12:30:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from st11p02mm-spool002.mac.com ([17.172.220.247]) by st11p02mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.10(7.0.4.27.9) 64bit (built Jun 6 2014)) with ESMTP id <0NBS00AU0WVLRV90@st11p02mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 18:33:23 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.12.52,1.0.28,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-09-12_07:2014-09-12,2014-09-12,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1402240000 definitions=main-1409120164 Received: from localhost ([17.172.220.222]) by st11p02mm-spool002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.08(7.0.4.27.7) 64bit (built Aug 22 2013)) with ESMTP id <0NBS001CDWVMZNA0@st11p02mm-spool002.mac.com>; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 18:33:22 +0000 (GMT) To: Jeff Scarbrough From: Darrell Walker Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 18:33:23 +0000 (GMT) Cc: "Triumphs \(triumphs@autox.team.net\)" Subject: Re: [TR] Speedometer Cable Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Well, it will of course depend on what is wrong. Eliminated the service counter would eliminate one variable. Have you tried turning the cable with a drill to see if it bounces that way? You could disconnect at the service counter and turn there, if that looks good repeat at the transmission end. It could be the speed itself. If it is, I think the most likely cause would be the odometer sticking a bit. I also came across this site while back, NFI but looks like he can make up whatever you need with all the proper ends: http://www.vintagebritishcables.com -Darrell ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 12 12:33:39 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D09F25844FC for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 12:33:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f181.google.com (mail-lb0-f181.google.com [209.85.217.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D743F2580449 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 12:33:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f181.google.com with SMTP id z11so1449160lbi.12 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 11:36:06 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=KK7LIKw8E8kviXwaZKF2tRCkWvLAY5f1x4Fl+8HR/AU=; b=yPCN5IZPfaLa1HJxuOFoPpbY9uxwdV9ExWY/hIArwQIMZPxsrlys5R21tfVGaBs8Z1 4QPhlDU7AMMNX9SXbiKNShmOy7fL3d91XnnFI4XqHb6Ka8NYq3ivu38pgh4ugs774mdK scY7V+eNLRVJXjhJEX5fifz40V6PamPGTpNP3lqjdIiY1agLGJvsSXBN5DvuT37nrQ8u DLsoI3hoxPbzyfFCEW3j7SMMzNQMcAOxzqHslXiXy1a3VcfFHKJq+e2+UsFyYkJENyJU wfAe/ffokQuBq9PK9MPbTUqhRId4BaaeXeLRgiyHKABXqawl3AXK2O298yvl/NgjgEy3 yTQg== ev1mr10080651lbc.82.1410546965726; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 11:36:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.127.9 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 11:36:05 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 13:36:05 -0500 From: Philip Ethier To: Chris Simo Cc: list Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] Met some of our folks at VTR Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wow. Sorry I can't be there. Hope 2015 is in a good place and time for me! On your way home, look for the Lotus cars coming in for the LOG in Asheville. On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Chris Simo wrote: > Was really nice to put some names with faces this week @ VTR in NC. So > glad to see such a nice turnout for the event my club is hosting. > > After some unexpected delays, the hill climb went off with Marty Sukey's > Spitfire leading the test runs up the course. > > We had 3 glorious ladies from Texas take to the hill climb and it was so > much fun seeing these triumphs from the 1930's take to the course. I even > got to tech one - a 1936 Gloria Southern Cross - wow! > > Lots of beautiful cars here and though I've been working super long days, > it's been a pleasure to tech cars and get a chance to talk to their > owners and poke around their beautiful cars. We even got a chance to do a > few repairs we found during tech. Loose steering column due to worn grub > screw, overheating from too lean mixture, one TR6 was running on the rear > carb only, leaky intake, and a few more. I left greasy and tired, but > that's all in a days work. > > Never seen so many TR8's in one place!! > > Chris > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pethier7@gmail.com > -- pethier@comcast.net still works also Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2005 Subaru Legacy GT Limited, Regal Blue Pearl http://www.mnautox.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 12 12:36:57 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F59725843DB for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 12:36:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f182.google.com (mail-vc0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FE692580B7C for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 12:36:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f182.google.com with SMTP id le20so1094441vcb.41 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 11:39:24 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=riHErhbc/pa66QPYTTJQkcocWhlZgHSp2TbZvjnngbQ=; b=D279tEZgREhPRetbSDh9faIxW9rX7Cw8xi1T6/IWXIvaTNavVIxyBIlm9mBrfRmB+J Dls5zl6Na0+PtZ8vvS2CsnArEOfplR8XTiiJ/rxHsC3eyS+ANkxVNdyS3vzyZ+kNVOUD 7f3PgBRxwhndWeNmjLVgMvC+SDgHp6Rlt3guaPS6VM9sflCWr5aEGhuZLk1+L2kUOCx9 Tg7FxRheyC4RgOvq7mDA7hZGCKB2f38HWEevCEVFgDLG0NN0RbL80Usn84ctM0KKooV1 fI9p+RvfKmSC2bkM5ezdM1aDXEV/GOemQcnEIgbs7tYltS3rkAwvGfgXahgvBgKE7ZoJ H8Gg== wy7mr4486015vcb.66.1410547164396; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 11:39:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.27.99 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 11:39:24 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 11:39:24 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Jeffrey Gayton Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Positive Ground It Is! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Jeffrey Gayton wrote: > ....Any recommendations > about going with an electronic flasher or LED load resistor. I used load resistors just because I want to keep the original Lucas flasher. I used these: http://goo.gl/QUSSAA I used a bullet connector to tie them into the harness w/o cutting or modification, and a lug on the other end for that ground point that the lights already use. That's a magnet affixed to the base of one so it can be secured out of sight on the inner wing: http://goo.gl/fahDah Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 12 12:38:11 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBBE82584499 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 12:38:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.196]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 860B92580B7C for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 12:37:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DELLPC ([32.218.137.168]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mreueus002) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0M6URR-1YGSnj2oXb-00yUdJ; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 20:40:35 +0200 From: "Bob Danielson" <75TR6@TR6.Danielsonfamily.org> To: "Jeff Scarbrough" , References: Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 14:40:40 -0400 Be5D5SUhv/jcR9rj6aRB2VUvRYnfsd+Y9k3WMfT+RVRWbIljjw 7eNqQ9DmA9MOcb1OjBTHKXrRkuK/fcVLq97yo65LgXse8k1j2S kGHbGieFEyJTXKWNFsP7fe6ELX13Ut1va/xllNGGItvFK3tMNg g7WQBY94sNkwvlFNVMKG2hVLJ2gXqMvcUSMKkrKeBAUo+cp3OL M3/TPkjbhWbEXGsWhH01AkprJ/lZuK1uF+c3ZZ/HaR5BVvuGKJ zLBcVl/0zx7LfQ6yDwgjKCraDhV7WQ//r/X3WMXbBxv2KhsEGF ak3MtklL8JqdRbP6CLY8+FmBeiUo1tLJRaFrzVl1K Subject: Re: [TR] Speedometer Cable Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net A custom built cable is another option and they're not that expensive. Morris at West Valley (http://westvalleyinstruments.com/) builds them to the proper spec for tip size which is critical. If the tip specs are off it can cause all sorts of problems and potential damage to the gauge. Read through this page on my site (http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/SpeedometerCalibration.htm) and you'll see the tip specs as well as a pdf on rebuilding your speedo. My preference was to have Morris re-calibrate and refurbish my speedo as the price was right and his turn around time is quick and always on time. Bob Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/ 1975 Mimosa TR6 TBI, 5 Speed, LSD, CVJs -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Scarbrough Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 2:03 PM To: Triumphs (triumphs@autox.team.net) Subject: [TR] Speedometer Cable So, my speedometer is next on the list of things to be fettled...it bounces around quite a bit. I've lubricated the cables (sparingly!) in the past, without much success, so I'm willing to replace them. So, I know on my spitfire I can buy the UK-spec cable and eliminate the service counter. Can I use the early TR6 cable in a 1975 car to do the same, or is there no advantage/some potential unforeseen downside? Or should I just buy the upper and lower cables (on sale now) and be done with it? Or should I grow this small problem into a large one by taking apart and cleaning the instrument itself? Because I'm not afraid to get in well over my head... Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 12 12:51:03 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7156A25845A4 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 12:51:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f175.google.com (mail-vc0-f175.google.com [209.85.220.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DBCE25844FC for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 12:50:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f175.google.com with SMTP id hq11so1115925vcb.20 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 11:53:05 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=/dCmXsrMyxPq76CJqHx1h4Q1kWxyHBDIfx8McURYtCc=; b=hEEKS4aDsWVzgwmb9xMP4cObo6K39SQeoQaomGEBVsict5E54UDe6EwDMgUq88QP13 w9lmni/8sWW818Q+3ReNYJ8oYxn/ufqgwMM2bTFTpCCqBffSx4qeC9CDZJHgNLpMVK3t RwH75anHw9/MgcOdyNEKN0o4p0X/JHilzMBUhy8k7EWGFRnDWKd1DCucIiqAg9jofugf AzaP7P2jFWLcnV5L9HqUKZwdjXDebmGbsM1bXw9HRB/kyXpU/Y/K6gvCc29FLt+dUAHT xyg4ag/k/Y8rRVcjIcwl3+i2NsOVb9w5Ka/IPjIdTs9NBUdyjphg+MswvPlCbiAwO/Po fFYQ== cw6mr4507941vcb.71.1410547985713; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 11:53:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.27.99 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 11:53:05 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 11:53:05 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Chris Simo Cc: list Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] Met some of our folks at VTR Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Good to hear about it, sorry to miss it. I realize there are some who would not stint at a 4000 mile drive but that is a bit more than I can do. My good friend Ben Cohen from here in Tucson will be hanging out at some of the event, probably the show Ben has an extraordinary collection of British cars including an AC Ace, an Elva, a couple of Lotus 7s and much more. After 40 years of LBC ownership he finally got his first Triumph a few weeks ago. With no car in the show he'll be wandering around like a guy who couldn't get a date for the dance -- so if you meet him please make him feel welcome and ask about his Triumph, If the 2015 VTR is west of the Rockies I will try to get both of us there. Geo On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Chris Simo wrote: > Was really nice to put some names with faces this week @ VTR in NC. So > glad to see such a nice turnout for the event my club is hosting. > > After some unexpected delays, the hill climb went off with Marty Sukey's > Spitfire leading the test runs up the course. > > We had 3 glorious ladies from Texas take to the hill climb and it was so > much fun seeing these triumphs from the 1930's take to the course. I even > got to tech one - a 1936 Gloria Southern Cross - wow! > > Lots of beautiful cars here and though I've been working super long days, > it's been a pleasure to tech cars and get a chance to talk to their > owners and poke around their beautiful cars. We even got a chance to do a > few repairs we found during tech. Loose steering column due to worn grub > screw, overheating from too lean mixture, one TR6 was running on the rear > carb only, leaky intake, and a few more. I left greasy and tired, but > that's all in a days work. > > Never seen so many TR8's in one place!! > > Chris > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 12 14:50:40 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A738F25844A6 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 14:50:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.108]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 248C725804CB for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 14:50:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 370Z ([76.184.172.222]) by p3plsmtpa06-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id qLtK1o00J4oFfFQ01LtLeA; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 13:53:21 -0700 From: "dave n" To: References: Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 15:53:36 -0500 Subject: [TR] electronic flasher Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net napa sells a digital flasher that works quite well. used it when I converted to Litezupp.com LED's a few years ago. http://www.ranteer.com/davescars/tr6/BlinkerEL12.jpg Now I can order some LED tail lights. Any recommendations about going with an electronic flasher or LED load resistor. I'm leaning towards the latter.... ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 12 15:54:02 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2E302584614 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 15:54:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.232]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E50C82584454 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 15:53:26 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge01 smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [107.14.174.248] ([107.14.174.248:6778] helo=cdptpa-web21) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id 12/32-14030-00C63145; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 21:56:16 +0000 Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 21:56:16 +0000 From: Randall To: dave n , triumphs@autox.team.net Sensitivity: Normal 2014 21:56:16 +0000 Subject: Re: [TR] electronic flasher Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- dave n wrote: > napa sells a digital flasher that works quite well. used it when I > converted to Litezupp.com LED's a few years ago. > > http://www.ranteer.com/davescars/tr6/BlinkerEL12.jpg That's a 2-terminal flasher, so I'm guessing you have a later TR. The 3-terminal equivalent for the earlier TRs is a Tridon EL13, which I found to be readily available at Autozone & O'Reillys. (Around here, NAPA charges more and closes before I get off work, I don't shop there unless the discount stores don't have it.) > Now I can order some LED tail lights. Any recommendations > about going with an electronic flasher or LED load resistor. I'm leaning > towards the latter.... I actually use both, because of the way I have my turn signals wired to double as brake lights. The EL13 also works well with incandescent bulbs, and I currently have a mix of LED and incandescent (trying out my own LED designs). But for just a simple LED conversion, I'd go with the electronic flasher. If you keep an old type flasher, and the resistor (or the wire to it) fails, then your turn signals don't work. It's an extra point of failure. Granted, resistors very rarely fail; but it does happen. - Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 12 16:00:10 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D4C5258462F for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 16:00:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4302725844CC for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 15:59:13 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge01 smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [107.14.174.248] ([107.14.174.248:10111] helo=cdptpa-web21) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id 32/F8-14030-B5D63145; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 22:02:03 +0000 Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 22:02:03 +0000 From: Randall To: "Triumphs (triumphs@autox.team.net)" , Jeff Scarbrough Sensitivity: Normal 2014 22:02:03 +0000 Subject: Re: [TR] Speedometer Cable Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > Or should I grow this small problem into a large one by taking apart > and cleaning the instrument itself? Because I'm not afraid to get in > well over my head... My guess is that the speedo is the problem anyway. If the cable was in such bad shape that it was winding up and unwinding for no reason, I think you would have noticed while lubricating it. But the odometer and trip meter mechanisms both put periodic loads on the cable. So if they are stiff and binding, the extra load will cause even a new cable to wind up while the ratchet arm is turning the wheel, and then unwind when it retracts. Check out Tony Rhodes' article on speedo rebuilding. If it looks like more than you want to tackle, then there are several services around that will do it for you, for a price of course. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 12 16:33:06 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8D59258458F for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 16:33:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75FB02584454 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 16:33:00 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge02 smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [107.14.174.248] ([107.14.174.248:12658] helo=cdptpa-web21) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id 4D/C4-29900-64573145; Fri, 12 Sep 2014 22:35:50 +0000 Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 22:35:50 +0000 From: Randall To: Jeffrey Gayton , triumphs@autox.team.net Sensitivity: Normal 2014 22:35:50 +0000 Subject: Re: [TR] Positive Ground It Is! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Jeffrey Gayton wrote: > But at Dave's suggestion, I took a closer look at the battery and found > markings behind the posts. I've got a positive earth car! Thanks again for > everyone's help. Now I can order some LED tail lights. Apologies if this is too obvious for words: Now would be the time to consider whether you want to stay opposite to the rest of the world or convert to negative ground. We're fortunate to have Litezupp that makes positive ground LED bulbs; but the vast majority of aftermarket accessories are strictly negative ground. Even just adding an outlet to charge your cell phone is extra hassle with positive ground. I once saw a buddy burn up the wiring harness in his MGA, because it didn't occur to him that the CB radio he had borrowed had a (negative) ground path through the antenna clamp. It worked at first, because the bumper bolts were too rusty to conduct. So we were hundreds of miles from home when the one of the bolts rubbed through the rust and the cockpit filled with smoke rolling down the freeway. You might say it made an impression on me! The conversion from positive to negative ground is pretty trivial on the TR2-4. Just swap the wires at the coil, ammeter and battery; then repolarize the generator. If you forgot to swap at the coil, you'd probably never notice the difference. And if you forget to swap at the ammeter, it just reads backwards. Repolarizing the generator sounds scary, but it's trivial as well. Just pull the wire off the 'F' terminal at the control box, and brush it against the 'A' terminal next to it. You'll see some small sparks to tell you the connection was made. Then put the wire back on 'F', close the hood and take a drive. - Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 13 15:12:44 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23B5E2584561 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 15:12:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9636D2584487 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 15:12:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DennisPC (ool-182c7959.dyn.optonline.net [24.44.121.89]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPA id <0NBU009QKZ1MV4Y0@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 17:15:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 17:15:19 -0400 From: Dennis Culligan To: triumphs@autox.team.net Content-language: en-us Thread-index: Ac/Pl9JPMbaIDdKaTGWlo13UaO3uLw== Subject: [TR] 2015 VTR? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Ok, so where will the 2015 VTR convention be held? Dennis Culligan / 1976 TR6 CF57948U ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 13 15:21:30 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 267542584592 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 15:21:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f174.google.com (mail-qc0-f174.google.com [209.85.216.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25BB6258453D for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 15:20:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qc0-f174.google.com with SMTP id m20so2398287qcx.5 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 14:23:07 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=kP6rij1eQHgANM8T3lTVYgxMsAoJLaN9RFcZOdgWlR8=; b=haN6YIuF0vp7ps0DBPu55HZ/jyvGOTc/Ihj0AeolHahBw/yRsyGSboQrdLkqd34O+1 YjysMlzwr4yeO9j9nIAO0tCijfbTAzrYGDkd+jpqUkEbAi6fBCZJeU5EZ6jhT4vL2j2z Mob/8JP2djv1E3scDpHrv3QfpoC+6F1D14oPUS1qH/XW7VF24N12gHmx0D+8nRELacyV NmgFd573ruQIBuLECiz/2ERE4Kagar3mFxg8gUA2yqPe/hqW5lFaG16C83YTXBo+0a+M Y/b7Pyr0KCkJ9CboXMOsEi/qIeg62y/f3ekAa72wHugQKIoNcIxS3cjDrMUB+rID8jo6 YjWQ== e5mr24873689qae.58.1410643387619; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 14:23:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.102.80 with HTTP; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 14:23:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.102.80 with HTTP; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 14:23:07 -0700 (PDT) References: <003101cfcf97$d2a2f520$77e8df60$@net> Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 16:23:07 -0500 From: Irv Korey To: Dennis Culligan Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] 2015 VTR? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fontana, WI. Hosted by ISOA. August 11-14. Irv Korey Highland Park, IL On Sep 13, 2014 5:16 PM, "Dennis Culligan" wrote: > Ok, so where will the 2015 VTR convention be held? > > > > Dennis Culligan / 1976 TR6 CF57948U > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/emanteno@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 13 15:51:39 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 424902584701 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 15:51:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f175.google.com (mail-vc0-f175.google.com [209.85.220.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 703512580915 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 15:50:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f175.google.com with SMTP id hq11so2070740vcb.6 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 14:53:14 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=nQqL15hneTA3NDNoW5alijH2OSZWrMRUmxFPGTzYIdw=; b=DOAgniepGjtaQ4xQnZsiHRtJMsnM1h5yW1p746hRoDl56JJx+rGF13sEg9J81rTRoQ lBGI8xDbo0oYlxle7VYCz/D9bMCC1Vb87zZmqKBkNEZpExSZy1QL0FY6K6jP6zB4zbpa p3jUAOxVSdP0Y031YQIT45IMoIu9KTauLsOtYb8QOsMu/suMCunOwVkfByryCUioysFU 3UTvKlWXaGiL9tpJN9kjVpFCKBhKhFK8twTYcIyUaJxSadQTe+Ef3JKVif4X/SEuq0AS YvTkHH4ippd5NyWz6Q2SJLa/TmBNPyc3++YLc9Dtibi8aKTqWBKmlzHyCRc7kzX37GuM CfMg== Sat, 13 Sep 2014 14:53:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.27.99 with HTTP; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 14:53:14 -0700 (PDT) References: <003101cfcf97$d2a2f520$77e8df60$@net> Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 14:53:14 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Dennis Culligan Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] 2015 VTR? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The website: http://www.vtr2015.com/ Geo On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Dennis Culligan wrote: > Ok, so where will the 2015 VTR convention be held? > > > > Dennis Culligan / 1976 TR6 CF57948U > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 13 16:23:45 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29638258453F for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 16:23:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp01.enterhost.com (smtp01.enterhost.com [208.65.128.195]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 770EC2580470 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 16:23:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail05.enterhost.com [208.65.128.198] by smtp01.enterhost.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A49332E0108; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 17:26:27 -0500 Received: from 99-187-240-202.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net [99.187.240.202] by mail05.enterhost.com with SMTP; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 17:26:24 -0500 From: "G.D. Huggins" Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 17:26:19 -0500 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Suggestions for leaky gearbox Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net All, The time has come for me to address a leaky gearbox. Its the standard gearbox for a TR4A, with the A-type overdrive. Its been leaking for a while now, but has just reached the point of being bad enough for me to do anything about it. I suspect the leak is occurring in one or both gaskets on either side of the overdrive unit. If that is the case, is there something I could put around the gaskets to stop the leak? I am looking for anything to avoid pulling it out and replacing them. Thanks in advance for all suggestions. Cheers, Guy D. Huggins 1965 Triumph TR4A CTC 63569LO Online project diary at http://www.genfiniti.com/triumph ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 13 17:37:03 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE9992584701 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 17:37:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f176.google.com (mail-vc0-f176.google.com [209.85.220.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 743802580A10 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 17:33:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f176.google.com with SMTP id la4so2111099vcb.21 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 16:36:35 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=5QJwkwOi9F+Rhu/QU83JahOwf6LAbtQLcNsBDYjg3vc=; b=XG1VFGnNeSFKFSHLbXrBB6PTXMW7ERhi+d88X+iwkPAiihghZ/fmqtx3KBfXmy0S8q uOEcDUA1HUYe+VqKs2uAf0rYt9j40M0UY8pH8hfbTFDyDEhSgT+Y+eDfpS4JHnQVTLe1 C2PM/rLxEZvt6HWkEIM5qKx5Dtn1IEfsF4cK1pwalV3Hjf4WIPsj4SwI5r8TREKO8r1i ukwwQ5iUy9j8UNC6JeZgNKnc6Oye34eIW5EPvyj5HwwP9XnGO8qjZGZhqTv+gdYGtPT4 BBFaGWOpypKTEv4FuM+KRpbHAChSdiVaL1MAOks6t5miDdBNAfAh7tccKEtf27jtT3tD sN1Q== ps5mr12362379vdb.33.1410651395227; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 16:36:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.27.99 with HTTP; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 16:36:35 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 16:36:35 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: "G.D. Huggins" Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Suggestions for leaky gearbox Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 3:26 PM, G.D. Huggins wrote: > ... I suspect the leak is occurring in one or both gaskets on either side > of the overdrive unit. > If that is the case, is there something I could put around the gaskets to > stop the leak? > I am looking for anything to avoid pulling it out and replacing them. Is your primary concern 1) you will get too low on lube? 2) the amount of lube you must buy & add to keep the level up? or 3) the mess this creates? Since you are thinking of a Band-Aid fix perhaps it is #3 in which case I have seen some car owners address a small but persistent leak with a simple metal bracket that holds a highly absorbent material against the leak. Will require changing from time to time. The usual absorbent material used for this is available in the Health & Beauty area of your favorite store though you may want your wife or girlfriend to pick it up for you. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 13 17:55:02 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BFE6258471A for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 17:55:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from dnvrco-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.230]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A716A2580A10 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 17:54:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [74.77.168.115] ([74.77.168.115:54127] helo=VlackTK121647) by dnvrco-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 20/66-08080-CD9D4145; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 23:57:16 +0000 From: "Jerry Van Vlack" To: "G.D. Huggins" , References: Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 19:57:15 -0400 a=I++m45kDPXbCgdSF5Y/xMw==:117 a=I++m45kDPXbCgdSF5Y/xMw==:17 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=FB8tr5X9ugMA:10 a=rSN60XP_m4YA:10 a=zTVDa7HKqxcA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=doupyKFmAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=q7qb36_JTBVEEo0_sS0A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 Subject: Re: [TR] Suggestions for leaky gearbox Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net My OD box leaked there as well. The last time it was out I replaced the Adapter Plate with one of the new thicker plates and I used Hylomar sealant. The leaks are greatly reduced and in a years time I have not added any oil to the box. Just checked the level before driving to VTR in NC and it had been a year since last checked. Maybe 6,000 miles between checks. I was pleased. But sadly unless you can just tighten some fasteners you'll need to pull the trans if the leak is too bad. How frequently do you check and add oil and how much do you need to add each time? JVV -----Original Message----- From: G.D. Huggins Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 6:26 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Suggestions for leaky gearbox All, The time has come for me to address a leaky gearbox. Its the standard gearbox for a TR4A, with the A-type overdrive. Its been leaking for a while now, but has just reached the point of being bad enough for me to do anything about it. I suspect the leak is occurring in one or both gaskets on either side of the overdrive unit. If that is the case, is there something I could put around the gaskets to stop the leak? I am looking for anything to avoid pulling it out and replacing them. Thanks in advance for all suggestions. Cheers, Guy D. Huggins 1965 Triumph TR4A CTC 63569LO ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 13 18:57:07 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C37F2584675 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 18:57:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.225]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8A1B2580A10 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 18:56:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55002] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 6D/EC-05246-588E4145; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 00:59:49 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'G.D. Huggins'" , Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 17:59:48 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac/PocR5Ln8eFLqXS1WOC7Bxvnpo0AAFG+RQ Subject: Re: [TR] Suggestions for leaky gearbox Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I suspect the leak is occurring in one or both gaskets on > either side of the > overdrive unit. > If that is the case, is there something I could put around > the gaskets to stop > the leak? > I am looking for anything to avoid pulling it out and replacing them. I had some success with "buttering" the entire area with one of the heavier bodied RTV compounds. Permatex Ultra Black IIRC. I started by draining it entirely, then cleaning thoroughly with spray solvent and paper towels. Laid the RTV on thick and wide, then waited for it to harden fully (not just skin over) before refilling. As I recall, I drove for over a year that way without having to add oil. Then something else happened and I pulled it out for a rebuild. - Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 13 20:56:16 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C72882584595 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 20:56:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f174.google.com (mail-qc0-f174.google.com [209.85.216.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FBCA25808DC for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 20:55:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qc0-f174.google.com with SMTP id m20so2469846qcx.19 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 19:58:26 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=tTk3EndwiHOzaN3b4qCJIEEGjyWZI1Mj6zHjitWFlj8=; b=VdNB4GhgPQQhapmYmmaXFCzsAOMB/WFP3KF6AqkJvwRTP1wnS2b6S/Y93+w6Gq9+6K M6IFgfa4YeHxSdgwEfes7MkYKNqBqdGsfNWBiktMKWBP/vwVr+jja3lKNMGLN7I466ty YrpRKDcwvqfnD23ZLcQMfOYoPfGzzIAqHgf6BsEcvpk2GjqbOeBUCFDxPQ3YWCNh/Kl2 /+r/EkeuFVZmd/VoL+X6bsOBY1TjaU3l6nEjnmE3V/g0CwzZEN69q6luIZy/hd7w+qwv +SrQ+P9J+sqCyeC47ZgQTBVAc4rI/60uuQRuiYNvyfhAqqpd3/gBvCSroyj1qDwwmWMI xvLw== u8mr25542193qcj.5.1410663506512; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 19:58:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.252.196 with HTTP; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 19:58:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 19:58:26 -0700 From: "Lee&John Howard" To: triumph list list Subject: [TR] TR4 Flasher burnout Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I've burned through 4 flasher units over the past year or so. What gives? Yesterday I checked to make sure all bulbs are correct. Flasher worked perfectly in the driveway with engine off. Once I drove away, the unit quickly failed. I now have the unit's socket jumped with a wire from the X to L. The signal lights can be waggled by the switch. Is there a voltage surge of some sort? The unit definitely overheats and becomes too hot too touch. Does that mean I should not run with the jumper wire? I've been using a Wathem so-called Heavy Duty Flasher 550. Wouldn't expect this to be the problem. Not with four having burnt out. Voltage regulator? Many thanks for your help, as always. John ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 13 21:40:05 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5BEF258459D for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 21:40:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.231]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4A3625808DC for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 21:39:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55003] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 05/1B-16818-F9E05145; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 03:42:23 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Lee&John Howard'" , "'triumph list list'" Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 20:42:22 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac/Px8LCEeH81KEJTSCRoRloO3DQZQABSldA Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Flasher burnout Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I've burned through 4 flasher units over the past year or so. > What gives? What are you using for fuses? I'm thinking there must be an intermittent short in the turn signal wiring, but normally that would pop the fuse. However, if you've got an AGC 35 in there, the flasher might burn up instead. Could still be something like that, so I might try putting an 5 amp fuse in the jumper; drive around a bit with first one side and then the other on constantly and see if/when it blows. Or better yet, since it evidently takes about 3 months to happen, add the fuse in series with the flasher semi-permanently. - Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 14 07:17:27 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 729FA258444B for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 07:17:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC1S14.hotmail.com (blu004-omc1s14.hotmail.com [65.55.116.25]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C76982580092 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 07:17:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU177-W29 ([65.55.116.8]) by BLU004-OMC1S14.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22724); Sun, 14 Sep 2014 06:20:08 -0700 From: Rich White To: TR owners List Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 08:20:07 -0500 References: , <05.1B.16818.F9E05145@cdptpa-oedge01> FILETIME=[9AD4B020:01CFD01E] Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Flasher burnout Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I would modify Randall's idea and put a fuse in both legs at the same time and cut the troubleshooting time in half. Rich White Central, IL USA '63 TR3B TCF###L That ain't a scrap pile, that is my car! > From: TR3driver@ca.rr.com > To: leejohn7@gmail.com; triumphs@autox.team.net > Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 20:42:22 -0700 > Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Flasher burnout > > > I've burned through 4 flasher units over the past year or so. > > What gives? > > What are you using for fuses? > > I'm thinking there must be an intermittent short in the turn signal wiring, but normally that would pop the fuse. However, if > you've got an AGC 35 in there, the flasher might burn up instead. > > Could still be something like that, so I might try putting an 5 amp fuse in the jumper; drive around a bit with first one side and > then the other on constantly and see if/when it blows. Or better yet, since it evidently takes about 3 months to happen, add the > fuse in series with the flasher semi-permanently. > > - Randall > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/rlwhitetr3b@hotmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 14 18:08:48 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AD302584705 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 18:08:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm16-vm3.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm16-vm3.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.74]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99FC125800A5 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 18:08:05 -0600 (MDT) s=s1024; t=1410739856; bh=BMXIuOgblsn+ytlvXbXH8xWWAXmTaEuRpWo21JPHGP0=; b=TJcOdYigJoT2eHKk7YspZ0MIpPmiiA0gVXyPCM+jGT/N750fr8ZFQDG/v9M2pjbIcdFASvZVgiPyQpNEW7HABnUzyGYYAy8Nm/rNn10GTpYwdXp58+T7Cv1/rxYkSO4fUeSTQ8stMKNXztjYWC2+vHYThvWVAZxs1/ftLij4e50= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; b=FHCJcL1UpkLfhQhGOkSw/aqPfUNHzjWO9ubcerRci/J2fkYhzGjCGzqYBNKchyzCyrrfWU+X9c+wlbM6U1QGM/Ss004jgCpvrpt4/Do3KpYcvUcp7O1CDUIaeMcNP9MzVao3GQ2SqK5K/xqJpqrVQk5UEc1PzwWjdBQ2Unh3/wQ=; Received: from [216.39.60.165] by nm16.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2014 00:10:56 -0000 Received: from [67.195.23.148] by tm1.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2014 00:10:56 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp120.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2014 00:10:56 -0000 s=s1024; t=1410739856; bh=BMXIuOgblsn+ytlvXbXH8xWWAXmTaEuRpWo21JPHGP0=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Subject:From:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Message-Id:Date:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version; b=yOwIcAHRddJ7mxOxCIb1We6Yi0pJ53R9napzNrttjVd+bJ7d0Yx0ErKTO27h9GfFODBVWRswhR7LS5zUrJmpybYTQH4YhiJaEasbnEOFZTIFNqO34vAqZSJqZpY3TBnLCGfb7BL7zKCCsFhr0RFjdEk0e2f66kZVqbrf3jPBYA0= OzkmLXohnm6fvzTvSqkvAjlw2fjzVbvFs204kPJ_7rhtHQ53F_s7dsL8hBaO g7S7AJnbLXPTHXKQsVydccYMjjnydncQifQOS_lpXbbuFc8vpARj9xTA9Aty dTgcPMDaeNTkhK1ZCf3k5TGZqFNFnJSoXpl3pHOoh7jy_ILHBQkRHGqvEH1Q ASZGVTWV3M7eG4_9PHSwmkgDJn8dM4O_I6SBTkmmWeXjwfEsPnp7yf8tBQIn nlUkAIHxc7q8L2VyDmctJToBnD.kAJmbG96wnNUTk5CUfjQYsBRkkcWmR1Cj BW9V.bwK_D9uwwZuiWwlc4fnow0DaNttMtN4spMBCzuqNl6eeBkqMAnpUSI2 2WMF1NqJylyuQ6hLbxXJNqB2WrJNeppab3oBJDXMgnWJSqfvguO_mT0qvgdF x6UYHm7j3Z3a1bXx4H9iuY7eCXI8BrGla61LzkmIBVa2EsMNJg0qADFuzMwW 9_DUq32gOkKh3YtYCP3_vKU9WrevXNJ50C0QZ2jq60A1c1TWmV33leg-- From: Berger Bob Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 19:10:56 -0500 To: "Triumphs (triumphs@autox.team.net)" , nass@yahoogroups.com Subject: [TR] Spitfire 1500 Mech fuel pump Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Does anyone know how much fuel I should get out of the mechanical pump when cranking the engine for 30 seconds? I'm trying to test my pump. Bob Berger ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 14 20:52:26 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8884F2584575 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 20:52:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173013pub.verizon.net (vms173013pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76CDC258449F for ; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 20:52:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.10] ([unknown] [173.59.227.86]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0NBX00L769FY0080@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sun, 14 Sep 2014 21:55:11 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 22:55:06 -0400 From: ptegler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: nass@yahoogroups.com, "Triumphs (triumphs@autox.team.net)" References: Subject: Re: [TR] >>NASS Spitfire 1500 Mech fuel pump Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The volume will depend on the actual rpm (number of pumps) and whether the pump is fully releasing all the gas in it. your mechanical pump lever, which rides on the cam lobe, pulls gas into the pump when the lever is driven into (pushed towards) the pump as such. . From there the fuel is only spring pressure pushed up to the carbs. It takes about 6-12 pump cycles to fill a pair of HS4 float chambers. (depends on the actuall pump version) On the units with the lever at the bottom, manually pumping the lever it should start getting easy once the bowls fill as you are no longer pulling gas from the tank as the pump has not emptied from the last pump stroke once the floats/needle valve close the bowls off. ptegler On 9/14/2014 8:10 PM, Berger Bob bberger720@sbcglobal.net [nass] wrote: > Does anyone know how much fuel I should get out of the mechanical pump when cranking the engine for 30 seconds? > > I'm trying to test my pump. > > Bob Berger > 78 Spitfire > > ------------------------------------ > Posted by: Berger Bob > ------------------------------------ > >>> To unsubscribe send an empty email to: nass-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >>> NASS List Home Site nasshq resources http://www.nasshq.org > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo Groups Links > > <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nass/ > > <*> Your email settings: > Individual Email | Traditional > > <*> To change settings online go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nass/join > (Yahoo! 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net After doing the relatively easy job of changing my clutch MC and slave, I wonder. Of course, having enough space UNDER the car would have helped; a couple concrete blocks and 2"x8"s gives just enough room to slide under a TR6. I was going to brave trying to change the thrust washers but all those nuts to be loosened,,,,,,,, Maybe next winter. A lot of grease and grime under there. Discovered a rusted floorboard and have a novel idea for repairing it. Will report on that as it moves along. It is hot as h--- here in Florida in the summer. British empire? Maybe they were genius's being able to get all those bolts so well hidden or in such difficult to reach places. Anyway, mechanics who work on these things earn their pay! ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 15 09:53:18 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F09B25845B7 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 09:53:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtpout002.mac.com [17.158.236.237]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 124D5258096E for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 09:53:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [140.211.95.176] (unknown [140.211.95.176]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.10(7.0.4.27.9) 64bit (built Jun 6 2014)) with ESMTPSA id <0NBY002BC9KQ5V70@nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 15:55:40 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.12.52,1.0.28,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-09-15_03:2014-09-15,2014-09-15,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1402240000 definitions=main-1409150140 From: Jeffrey Gayton Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 08:55:38 -0700 References: <20140912223550.32OMQ.366744.root@cdptpa-web21> To: Randall Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Positive Ground It Is! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks, Randall. As you've probably gathered from some of my posts, nothing is too obvious for me at this stage! > On 12 Sep 2014, at 3:35 PM, Randall wrote: > > > ---- Jeffrey Gayton wrote: > >> But at Dave's suggestion, I took a closer look at the battery and found >> markings behind the posts. I've got a positive earth car! Thanks again for >> everyone's help. Now I can order some LED tail lights. > > Apologies if this is too obvious for words: Now would be the time to consider whether you want to stay opposite to the rest of the world or convert to negative ground. We're fortunate to have Litezupp that makes positive ground LED bulbs; but the vast majority of aftermarket accessories are strictly negative ground. Even just adding an outlet to charge your cell phone is extra hassle with positive ground. > > I once saw a buddy burn up the wiring harness in his MGA, because it didn't occur to him that the CB radio he had borrowed had a (negative) ground path through the antenna clamp. It worked at first, because the bumper bolts were too rusty to conduct. So we were hundreds of miles from home when the one of the bolts rubbed through the rust and the cockpit filled with smoke rolling down the freeway. You might say it made an impression on me! > > The conversion from positive to negative ground is pretty trivial on the TR2-4. Just swap the wires at the coil, ammeter and battery; then repolarize the generator. If you forgot to swap at the coil, you'd probably never notice the difference. And if you forget to swap at the ammeter, it just reads backwards. > > Repolarizing the generator sounds scary, but it's trivial as well. Just pull the wire off the 'F' terminal at the control box, and brush it against the 'A' terminal next to it. You'll see some small sparks to tell you the connection was made. Then put the wire back on 'F', close the hood and take a drive. > > - Randall -- Jeff ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 15 14:38:08 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A24702584934 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 14:38:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp1.execulink.net (smtp1.execulink.net [69.63.44.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91201258475A for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 14:30:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from node-3402.tor.pppoe.execulink.com ([216.59.253.74]) by smtp1.execulink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1XTcxs-0008PW-QV for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 16:33:37 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 16:33:58 -0400 From: Angelo Graham User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR2/3 - rocker shaft install Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello List: Just about to re-torque head bolts and wondering if there is a more easy and positive way to re- install the rocker shaft? Worried about loading the pushrods and possibly damaging them; also asking about an easier way to start setting valve clearances with all rockers backed off. Would leaving the engine at TDC on #1 compression before removing shaft, then starting here help the process? Looking for any tips on this job. Unfortunately, I have a solid re-cored rad and have lost my hand cranking feature. Have to bump & grind engine through the partial revolutions to find the sweet spots. Thanks for any guidance and tips on this one. Angelo Graham ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 15 14:52:37 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7081125849E0 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 14:52:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp2.execulink.net (smtp2.execulink.net [69.63.44.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7D2F258069D for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 14:46:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from node-3628.tor.pppoe.execulink.com ([216.59.254.44] helo=[192.168.4.105]) by smtp2.execulink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1XTdD6-0004aG-8i; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 16:49:20 -0400 From: Keith Stewart Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 16:49:19 -0400 References: To: triumphs@autox.team.net Cc: John Summers Subject: Re: [TR] How did the British become an empire? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Sep 14, 2014, at 8:41 PM, John Summers wrote: > After doing the relatively easy job of changing my clutch MC and slave, I wonder. Of course, having enough space UNDER the car would have helped; a couple concrete blocks and 2"x8"s gives just enough room to slide under a TR6. I was going to brave trying to change the thrust washers but all those nuts to be loosened,,,,,,,, Maybe next winter. A lot of grease and grime under there. Discovered a rusted floorboard and have a novel idea for repairing it. Will report on that as it moves along. It is hot as h--- here in Florida in the summer. British empire? Maybe they were genius's being able to get all those bolts so well hidden or in such difficult to reach places. Anyway, mechanics who work on these things earn their pay! > Concrete blocks are not a good way to support your car if you plan to work under it - unless it is your plan to bequeath the car on to a new owner. Get yourself some axle stands if you plan to work under there. Keith Stewart keithstewartATexeculinkDOTcom ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 15 15:08:06 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77CAF25849EE for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 15:08:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp01.enterhost.com (smtp01.enterhost.com [208.65.128.195]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEDE5258069D for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 15:02:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mail05.enterhost.com [208.65.128.198] by smtp01.enterhost.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A48EBB1005C; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 16:05:18 -0500 Received: from 99-187-240-202.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net [99.187.240.202] by mail05.enterhost.com with SMTP; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 16:05:12 -0500 From: "G.D. Huggins" Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 16:05:08 -0500 References: <54174D36.1010207@execulink.com> To: Angelo Graham Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR2/3 - rocker shaft install Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Angelo, Couple of thoughts here Back the valve lash screws all the way off to give 100% clearance when bolting the rocker shaft in place. Once installed, you can go about tightening them down as you set the valve lash. Also, take the car out of gear and turn the engine by hand, using the cooling fan. This will allow you to get the #1 at TDC on the compression stoke easy enough. On Sep 15, 2014, at 3:33 PM, Angelo Graham wrote: > Hello List: > Just about to re-torque head bolts and wondering if there is a more easy and positive way to re- install the rocker shaft? Worried about loading the pushrods and possibly damaging them; also asking about an easier way to start setting valve clearances with all rockers backed off. > Would leaving the engine at TDC on #1 compression before removing shaft, then starting here help the process? > Looking for any tips on this job. Unfortunately, I have a solid re-cored rad and have lost my hand cranking feature. Have to bump & grind engine through the partial revolutions to find the sweet spots. > Thanks for any guidance and tips on this one. > Angelo Graham > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/guy@genfiniti.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 15 15:10:45 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DACAF25849F5 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 15:10:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f181.google.com (mail-vc0-f181.google.com [209.85.220.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FE66258069D for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 15:10:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f181.google.com with SMTP id ij19so4006500vcb.40 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 14:13:12 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=5ZfxPS9t3iyRgpTy9sSYSNf8gorUmqi4tNeNY/54otg=; b=oKb39iY9uxKpchCh2XWzUKxCXItHMwo5ZNYQnojem7ZW6BFHHiKbhp/d+C3nyoIuFA SMbfVovo2O/mtkCWMVjTIfaBtBemzJtwBsXnxmrzD9JzCjdCOnvCrYtPTMjcwf/TcYOp CdgKh4cPxk4XkPHFjPkEbdWjQyUckk9bdDwV38Cp/o16U5Zy9/JtWtPU2OuW1w8P5GKT O9LLuX3wvQ8rTkhSAvcHr0+LqLwYXasvKoHjyjsYCJnuMiN3sur7FC5SlQeBpTVoetgj BAmzbcS9iKlzMbFXPElzvqR1Lo4moVkxZUcsfTIQ5OWDvQsBNo65esJACdE3mbtGhTje D0/Q== g6mr21530898vdk.34.1410815592196; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 14:13:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.90.3 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 14:13:12 -0700 (PDT) References: <54174D36.1010207@execulink.com> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 14:13:12 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Angelo Graham Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR2/3 - rocker shaft install Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Angelo - I'm no expert but I have always just rested the rockers on the tops of the pushrods and pressed down enough to start all the nuts. Then just tightened them evenly letting the works settled in wherever they happened to be. Just be sure the pushrods are seated well in the lifters and matching well to the rockers. To adjust them I don't trust my memory so I use this chart which has been in the lid of the tool chest for the last 40 years or so: http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc499/Ahwahnee18/TR3/ValveAdjust_zps606664c7.jpg I just start wherever the engine happens to be and go through the sequence. The hand crank is handy but w/o one it is still pretty easy to turn the engine in a controlled fashion by putting it in 4th and pushing on the top of the left front tire (gives you 2:1 leverage). Having the plugs out helps a lot of course. After I'm all done I go through one more cycle (two revolutions) feeling the rockers at each setting since if something is terribly wrong it is pretty easy to feel if one is out of adjustment compared to the others. Only change from that chart is that I now set the exhaust valves to .012" to give some margin of error as I take a couple of 1200 miles trips each year at highway speed and think/hope that gives some additional protection. Geo On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Angelo Graham wrote: > Hello List: > Just about to re-torque head bolts and wondering if there is a more easy > and positive way to re- install the rocker shaft? Worried about loading the > pushrods and possibly damaging them; also asking about an easier way to > start setting valve clearances with all rockers backed off. > Would leaving the engine at TDC on #1 compression before removing shaft, > then starting here help the process? > Looking for any tips on this job. Unfortunately, I have a solid re-cored > rad and have lost my hand cranking feature. Have to bump & grind engine > through the partial revolutions to find the sweet spots. > Thanks for any guidance and tips on this one. > Angelo Graham > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ > options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Valve Adjust.JPG] ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 15 15:13:29 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39A1B258460A for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 15:13:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173009pub.verizon.net (vms173009pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43BCC2580777 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 15:13:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from HomePC ([unknown] [96.228.234.241]) by vms173009.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0NBY001XHOEBA380@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 16:15:48 -0500 (CDT) From: "Pete Ryner" To: "Angelo Graham" References: <54174D36.1010207@execulink.com> <0F61374F-8947-472F-9CE4-AB97C1CC3BCA@genfiniti.com> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 17:15:49 -0400 Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR2/3 - rocker shaft install Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Or leave the car in gear and roll the car to move the engine. Can be very precise if you have the room for the car to move. -----Original Message----- From: G.D. Huggins Sent: Monday, September 15, 2014 5:05 PM To: Angelo Graham Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR2/3 - rocker shaft install Angelo, Couple of thoughts here Back the valve lash screws all the way off to give 100% clearance when bolting the rocker shaft in place. Once installed, you can go about tightening them down as you set the valve lash. Also, take the car out of gear and turn the engine by hand, using the cooling fan. This will allow you to get the #1 at TDC on the compression stoke easy enough. On Sep 15, 2014, at 3:33 PM, Angelo Graham wrote: > Hello List: > Just about to re-torque head bolts and wondering if there is a more easy > and positive way to re- install the rocker shaft? Worried about loading the pushrods and possibly damaging them; also asking about an easier way to start setting valve clearances with all rockers backed off. > Would leaving the engine at TDC on #1 compression before removing shaft, then starting here help the process? > Looking for any tips on this job. Unfortunately, I have a solid re-cored > rad and have lost my hand cranking feature. Have to bump & grind engine through the partial revolutions to find the sweet spots. > Thanks for any guidance and tips on this one. > Angelo Graham > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/guy@genfiniti.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pryner@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 15 16:27:19 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2F702584AA7 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 16:27:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F00192584AA3 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 16:25:53 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge02 smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [107.14.174.248] ([107.14.174.248:42491] helo=cdptpa-web17) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id 0A/D9-00551-E1867145; Mon, 15 Sep 2014 22:28:46 +0000 Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 22:28:46 +0000 From: Randall To: Angelo Graham , triumphs@autox.team.net Sensitivity: Normal 2014 22:28:46 +0000 Subject: Re: [TR] TR2/3 - rocker shaft install Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- Angelo Graham wrote: > Worried about loading > the pushrods and possibly damaging them; The only concern here is that you don't want to have an adjuster set too long and get the spring into coil bind. That can't happen if the valve is closed. So just back off on the couple of adjusters where the pushrod is visibly high. Or you can just keep an eye on the valve spring coils as you gradually tighten the rocker shaft nuts, and back off on any that are getting close to coil bind. If you are putting back the same shaft that came off, without disturbing the adjustments (eg after re-torquing head nuts), then don't even worry about it. The adjustments will already be within a few .001", too close to run into problems. My favorite method for setting valves is to turn the engine with the starter until one cylinder is very close to where the exhaust is closing and the intake opening (the overlap period). That means the cylinder that is opposite in the firing sequence is ready to have it's valves adjusted. So if, for example, #1 comes up on overlap, adjust #4. Then go a half revolution until #3 is on overlap, and adjust #2. Another half turn and #4 will be on overlap, so set #1. Once more, #2 on overlap, set #3. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 16 03:28:26 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C6EA2584C9F for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 03:28:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm10-vm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm10-vm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.158]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00CA7258069C for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 03:27:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.39.60.173] by nm10.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2014 09:30:30 -0000 Received: from [216.39.60.243] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2014 09:30:30 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1014.access.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2014 09:30:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 61500 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Sep 2014 09:30:29 -0000 s=s1024; t=1410859829; bh=SYcURkADwkmGXoQ5l1/UJFIu1Tglu2Sj7sFCfmbAW7E=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=LPBleuDeWeRdvA9s3PEYkktcD3PTbOz3rqUZogprMP8Kxaco0zK3ciQc10dydYw9Rzrl2dG7KJqSMK5V1cQxBkF+/CuiS+O1IsgjP7Zw9aquNBqyaMdUE6KYCMV4WGO2zr/1+Vwvs9TiGWwOxfevM6fbN4ZENxFC/pAZKWn9J48= MFkkq1pNdm7UxK9LovBe3lLKU.YLAmjN5NrgfkowgidZ_.kGSba9evmFROEO cqZBgmqxWWTuqwBZkuUpAXpoC9j0GxPN41lG8NAjyA1S9tHFbciQQi2CTJ2D 63jo38YWVMIm9E4PnchJ_5riLI4Qpj3.H_mGhw2x1RO1mwRf5rxHQUVvBZys dg1jwsub_yY_uaGBu8H3njdFisypSMwh0fm4_toj1Wv2Zn6yGXPBTfvu3i0P YZjXFUZdN3RdVgO3NQz7A3hrTUfkaUDPykGADPyBuNsxJvq1FAihTwFNj0M8 1rySv6T.yqF6Hl5vFpxON0E.QmlzYDGrh.8z0iVO2MpxgaSGCVQqEDHtJIQ_ C3ua04bCj3z6ljhB9bdysmQNe89VBU.A11eTH42jRqaPJfN1Xl3NdadQo0pi zN86ZN.rRtDEq3WYHW6ruTyORluEmFn3.0H.UykcCm7VXP_7t6dom1jZMYEm zI6C7FNFTab9sd5Ebk24LrDbwu11sR0DNzX5Zb4K1fXuS3szTVOD_HCZFUeH yG8AGCRxpp_Xt Received: from [32.212.196.148] by web180904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 02:30:29 PDT SSByZW1lbWJlciB1c2luZyBhIHNtYWxsIHRvcmNoIHRvIGhlYXQgdGhlIHNjcmV3IHVwIHNsaWdodGx5IHJlZCBob3QsIHRoZW4gdXNpbmcgYSBsb25nIHdyZW5jaCBhYm91dCAxMSBtbS4gQW55IG90aGVyIG1ldGhvZHM_CgEwAQEBAQ-- Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 02:30:29 -0700 From: JOSEPH MATO To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] TR-3 back brake bleeder screw removal(without breaking) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I remember using a small torch to heat the screw up slightly red hot, then using a long wrench about 11 mm. Any other methods? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 16 05:42:29 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 295482584C9A for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 05:42:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m05.mx.aol.com (omr-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.79]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E9F62580871 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 05:33:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-aak02.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-aak02.mx.aol.com [172.27.2.228]) by omr-m05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id B6F9B702E547A for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 07:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moe005c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moe005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.81]) by mtaomg-aak02.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 6C7BF38000081 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 07:36:10 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Received: from 10.74.94.2 by webmail-vm043.sysops.aol.com (149.174.146.80) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 16 Sep 2014 07:36:10 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 07:36:10 -0400 x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20140625; t=1410867370; bh=wQ2PT/Fm8Qp+Zd9rNb7/yC2TA1ba4wqYZkho0lU71zs=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=nzQDORy1PaGX9wywMIkP3yJ7+U/7KOqrFr/LpXMJYFlKE0/qB3T5wcoM8fyNK/BZD DeuMyMMOPa5aiLmeMezCMnSnTdcAmReNwBOOPfIbTcWahN/VH0QvXhJperbPqFD/Xn 9I+yLVqpM56+HxRuO+gzwAhloqraCCt3XlPhg66Y= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1b02e4541820aa75ce Subject: [TR] At least they spelled it right. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Checkout car #5. http://tinyurl.com/ojaasxv Dave ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 16 07:12:50 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C3C32584D8E for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 07:12:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f178.google.com (mail-vc0-f178.google.com [209.85.220.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE3312580414 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 07:03:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f178.google.com with SMTP id hy4so4860187vcb.37 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 06:06:04 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=lOqR62B8lR4NSLUKuyYRGgS5kCWYKra7xQ/BRhfHMY8=; b=yH8gnHSOCdeK6+aoO/t/Du4YY4IPmvVLTbg89nNeh7d34x6fati96fcaw3F9Kiuf31 hOM9SOiIv3Kiru7giS42PPQ9PWg+llFWN8CL/WHDT7aAdcGKXO9YPT5DV5WYJ7iuVTf8 mC2kEMsg9GPR/EPp+TmZsODrw06rQweiO9RvIHQsMw26yrEM1O/21itJwktr+zf5zpya TgSmGWDy1byBxmZfZtwz84//ynH6oZeQNNJpekv2oMpQOw2eyJize/pWXCbZsNFWiDEJ /2SEW80vnCLSfCLilT0j2i5VHwkd3W7FNHaqyz0DqBGJgXsEQYjQAyOnSRScriXH1+vL eEpA== m13mr6359188vdg.69.1410872763990; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 06:06:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.90.3 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 06:06:03 -0700 (PDT) References: <1410859829.26153.YahooMailNeo@web180904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 06:06:03 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: JOSEPH MATO Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] TR-3 back brake bleeder screw removal(without breaking) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Some penetrant (like PBlaster) might be helpful. I use a six point socket for the initial loosening if I am expecting trouble. A mini-impact working of the wrench (as opposed to a heavy-handed turning) can have better results. Going forward, I think keeping rubber caps on the bleeders reduces the chance of future problems. Geo On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 2:30 AM, JOSEPH MATO wrote: > I remember using a small torch to heat the screw up slightly red hot, then > using a long wrench about 11 mm. Any other methods? > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 16 07:31:55 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A38892584D02 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 07:31:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173013pub.verizon.net (vms173013pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A1B1258071F for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 07:31:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from HomePC ([unknown] [96.228.234.241]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0NBZ000WGXPSDC20@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 08:34:42 -0500 (CDT) From: "Pete Ryner" To: "Triumph" References: <1410859829.26153.YahooMailNeo@web180904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 09:34:42 -0400 Subject: Re: [TR] TR-3 back brake bleeder screw removal(without breaking) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Use lots of penetrant and give it time to work. The bleeder is fairly soft metal and will shear off easily. I just broke on on my TR3 a few weeks ago. Definitely use a socket. Wouldn't hurt to put some PB in the inside of the caliper to get to the bleeder from the other side. They normally stick because of rust between the caliper and the bleeder. If you do break it off it is still possible to remove the remainder so don't give up. Pete -----Original Message----- From: Geo Hahn Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 9:06 AM To: JOSEPH MATO Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR-3 back brake bleeder screw removal(without breaking) Some penetrant (like PBlaster) might be helpful. I use a six point socket for the initial loosening if I am expecting trouble. A mini-impact working of the wrench (as opposed to a heavy-handed turning) can have better results. Going forward, I think keeping rubber caps on the bleeders reduces the chance of future problems. Geo On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 2:30 AM, JOSEPH MATO wrote: > I remember using a small torch to heat the screw up slightly red hot, then > using a long wrench about 11 mm. Any other methods? > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pryner@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 16 07:42:58 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61DAF2584D02 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 07:42:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm11-vm4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm11-vm4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.218.159]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7029D258071F for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 07:36:29 -0600 (MDT) s=s1024; t=1410874762; bh=Atox4tmEvldBbT4jWrnymfBzj6NFdpUI113GHhaHgR8=; b=Er2wDrhT+Znif3qOMTlDHqSOZ5AE29yWcbhTbmpq6CCsD04TS8xqzlj+ItyoJN7np+ghHNJGaVo4fX2qG46o6Mb0wDvx4zBaSC6vvzK0L1sM9v/EKTGb7YIzxkMuDJxxCXDVrlbzQZZRKYgf+MpeszmeJNHG3aWcuNyBYwOMyp8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=flash.net; b=PPTwXFNyWaH6w/q13KLzVZiOrt0hgbOYplWtelYU1S2Q7jIZwRY194aa0HYGSD9qHs7V+6J9/sw3X7IBY2/JE54jmXAT9tQDowYTVWWXohMNUPAUUvqmEMSi6OGyHkWUkdjbGP0yJWSStHFALB/0AH3cbUbUrfQyg+kzuk1M7g0=; Received: from [98.137.12.63] by nm11.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2014 13:39:22 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.191] by tm8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2014 13:39:22 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Sep 2014 13:39:22 -0000 s=s1024; t=1410874762; bh=Atox4tmEvldBbT4jWrnymfBzj6NFdpUI113GHhaHgR8=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=uEScPZ6IOC+DVnx0zWPYli5joNMo2jb1+nMLe1qFih4zLzvhJIQ4gMWeM7cZ3fOOyrt365YSbiPJ4ymp9szLviZ4tBQPilJVlcXLdJXm4xAhpuILn3HnQ6OZ/SkqeBtXmNWI906JLl4kG+NoWIjQYGc6zqTrFLQZQPAIl24/sl0= v5rtnRa7DQCcIBUxOQxQ4469v2IZhR0AWLKLnPwwtIjacjLV1tyUaNJs9msa SOfAw8Sx0M3AGydhUCuLpUm9nQZHAaBYCNIDNevyBESY_DqPaKxdC36Nez8h w_5vOR15Eg0QtjynSnbTfPJAagfKTqTmMze1zuFUn56QKRolqzH5jaVcA8JQ P_i3CeghuSGw9kwE0Nb.ioj3REKIZM5zZkh484XYkETmzviVe3uS1gPxcxos .gVOUavoNT9ArguWpoSM0chMzZXr70Ya1pbwPwhpHhX11N0INjYSne6b5Qnv Zlli4cuHtS3N2D8MJSZkw7dDVpAXStHwg61NDX0p3eWv3m6yaaZj4tqxgeF0 oDb544QiCkH9KlA2mdu4rDm4fBvCBiz_6E8A1cW1BYqoSNwVe62O69WqjCI7 D8Z97cs5fGkbgkkbbbQA8GRC60RVv84A7ul54YfIVTpjopeqTjs7tzk5X4W6 3x3U2svYdCOgZB2aHlF.RW9wDqvIBcFA_C_W8gvZrefXQ8UbalCzIzUfawPF OPrlEyPwvXcHfFSeJ0aFs3XnYu_NwYTIOW..i References: <1410859829.26153.YahooMailNeo@web180904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <52C2CDA211BD497595D6BD9D08A12DE3@HomePC> From: "Wbeech@flash.net" Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 08:39:19 -0500 To: Pete Ryner Cc: Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] TR-3 back brake bleeder screw removal(without breaking) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net If you break it off AND break off the easy-out, you bleed the system by putting a tray under the wheel and loosening the break line until winter when you take it all to a good machine shop. BTDT. BILL Sent from mobile Bill On Sep 16, 2014, at 8:34 AM, "Pete Ryner" wrote: Use lots of penetrant and give it time to work. The bleeder is fairly soft metal and will shear off easily. I just broke on on my TR3 a few weeks ago. Definitely use a socket. Wouldn't hurt to put some PB in the inside of the caliper to get to the bleeder from the other side. They normally stick because of rust between the caliper and the bleeder. If you do break it off it is still possible to remove the remainder so don't give up. Pete -----Original Message----- From: Geo Hahn Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 9:06 AM To: JOSEPH MATO Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR-3 back brake bleeder screw removal(without breaking) Some penetrant (like PBlaster) might be helpful. I use a six point socket for the initial loosening if I am expecting trouble. A mini-impact working of the wrench (as opposed to a heavy-handed turning) can have better results. Going forward, I think keeping rubber caps on the bleeders reduces the chance of future problems. Geo > On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 2:30 AM, JOSEPH MATO wrote: > > I remember using a small torch to heat the screw up slightly red hot, then > using a long wrench about 11 mm. Any other methods? > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pryner@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 16 15:17:28 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7984B258525A for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 15:17:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-05v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-05v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EA192584CE0 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 15:14:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.28]) by resqmta-ch2-05v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id rxHK1o0050cZkys01xHY3N; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 21:17:32 +0000 Received: from resmail-ch2-463v.sys.comcast.net ([162.150.49.242]) by omta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id rxHX1o00H5DXkUJ3WxHXaX; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 21:17:32 +0000 Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 21:17:31 +0000 (UTC) From: terryrs@comcast.net To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <1410859829.26153.YahooMailNeo@web180904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> (Win)/8.0.3_GA_5664) Thread-Topic: Break in Oil Thread-Index: rPGQHx9tUwg5Odgb3gKm4dwRnJnIjw== s=q20140121; t=1410902252; bh=1lq8to0TKUmHqE1aEPXbMdNmkCcTqtlr6cdSSmVTtHk=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=KDWLURxWDTm2Nvx88NPDP3DtIRbe3FIIqBOC+H5euxNCU63JThwgiecfL3yHeWLUU AdfAfKWFkG3o8S84pZ4Sdl63kBM47RxMxlEuZaKm3NCjxz9U4vcbv1soB8nrvXfHAK 70Skxo9dSUBDEM3wEiNrNQBWZi0/Az4K2D5Vmqbb4BvO4bgy1OODFBvf1eTFUL3pU0 Hn03lsEtx5dQejVr1qKhNVtayCima+26ntqf7GGHjv37mfpetQZZqVkrNqClogIUuI YBJ8vtJi97X/6SclWwy+J6Jbk9cOEwJ5Ap1eMaWymNmo32W24hVbFWXguxmC96ck4x f1MRRlr1BcdtA== Subject: [TR] Break in Oil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Okay. I rebuilt my TR3A stock engine, used 30 weight non-detergent for a break in period, then switched to Mobil 1 fully synthetic. All good. Then...engine was overheating. Investigation led to a cylinder sleeve that the machine shop cracked when honing (I say honing because they didn't remove the lip at the top). Removed and replaced the cylinder sleeves and the now scored pistons. Question: I've been running the same full synthetic oil. But what does that mean for seating the new rings? Terry Smith, '59 TR3A New Hampshire ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 16 16:32:14 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D03782585230 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 16:32:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.102]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A84692580983 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 16:32:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([71.210.229.165]) by p3plsmtpa06-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id ryaw1o00C3alfWF01yawG5; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 15:34:57 -0700 Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 16:34:34 -0600 From: David Porter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: terryrs@comcast.net, triumphs@autox.team.net References: <1410859829.26153.YahooMailNeo@web180904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <72970887.3542073.1410902251801.JavaMail.root@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [TR] Break in Oil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net a ridge at the top of the bore won't necessarily score the piston. It's more likely that the ring gap was too small. I use 0.04" per inch of bore. So at ~3.5 inch bore one should have 0.14" +/- a thou. gap. Dave P. On 9/16/2014 3:17 PM, terryrs@comcast.net wrote: > Okay. I rebuilt my TR3A stock engine, used 30 weight non-detergent for a break in period, then switched to Mobil 1 fully synthetic. All good. > Then...engine was overheating. Investigation led to a cylinder sleeve that the machine shop cracked when honing (I say honing because they didn't remove the lip at the top). > Removed and replaced the cylinder sleeves and the now scored pistons. > Question: I've been running the same full synthetic oil. But what does that mean for seating the new rings? > > Terry Smith, '59 TR3A > New Hampshire > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/frogeye@porterscustom.com > > -- Dave Porter Porter Custom Bicycles 2909 Arno St. NE Albuquerque, NM 87107 505-352-1378 Go HERE: my world www.porterbikes.com/ ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 16 19:33:28 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 296DB258535B for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 19:33:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm19-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm19-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E803625852C0 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 19:22:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.101.130] by nm19.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2014 01:25:40 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.196] by tm18.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2014 01:25:40 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1054.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2014 01:25:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 46281 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Sep 2014 01:25:40 -0000 s=s1024; t=1410917140; bh=j4fwJ4vfW6ZeqDT/4gku8Lob2Ab55X1rcNVW75VVZJY=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=asX8mC6GE91Uek5m7m5EiIOeOTNYdpLsnoxp7kO07XI6ixnIvULy/YCNoyFmTA6+27gauhzAw3vSUXoegw0iV69OSaVThVM2YcBqdz3kLHYcaLnrZDg2YfqqUa6kcEt0NHFCyrrnXwo3FxBs9+Xu3oitqZUPrR/JBM9MlAq3YWM= 11HOFyfXfk20QTkez_W9fj1mEh_rIvetp6DoVw0CqigpMqc5o4cI6_3qGX4W L2Ygcmdf0NRsH9q8Pwq9TLua_2vymKY7VNs_62M8U9aIAj5XBX_tVtZo12D9 6M88xvAKASuYPLWYpOY.8xJiIB3LZ1OpS67Yh7qLHwU.VsX1.X4dOufbfHvY aYsLajB5ZdvM93QlmYICWWQveS.DEx2ekUroUTFufSJ_fldzaJe0raa6D1aT bS9bu73PpTy1aDezhkVk3Pydr1pHcCwVV_KllRtBjJzQ0I9ty5hZIBTwEHVf BEPKcUI5NzJYwXTnon2nlJsaBk4qEcWTRfMqthKk3RMcPiTGgTj2qqz0lLzK QadlQ5qtO_3ynffxT_wT8UOzMEr7MAWgtfa.g8TaUNeJLsI1835bLVBrHRol l0HCn7I9F4H25HUB6g3gInXJjetVnYhQuJwHdzcni7q8USCUhoGsMaA5WFUQ Y91sW3ZvCXyKTuIKOPG9i3BIGOBIJC698hKCgErs10DSxE9dU4GHBKgGqdDN 5 Received: from [208.126.192.81] by web120606.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 18:25:40 PDT TmV3bHkgcmVzdG9yZWQgdHItMyB3aXRoIG92ZXItaGF1bGVkIGVuZ2luZS4gIEluc3RhbGxlZCBuZXcgaGVhdGVyIGNvbnRyb2wgdmFsdmUuICBXYXMgZ2V0dGluZyBOTyBoZWF0IHRvIGhlYXRlciB3aGVuIGVuZ2luZSB3YXMgZnVsbHkgd2FybWVkIHVwLiAgKGNvdWxkIGdyYWIgaGVhdGVyIGhvc2VzIHdpdGggYmFyZSBoYW5kcy4uLi4udmVyeSB2ZXJ5IGx1a2V3YXJtKS4gIEkgdGhlbiBmdWxseSBjbG9zZWQgdGhlIGhlYXRlciBjb250cm9sIHZhbHZlIGFuZCByZS1vcGVuZWQuICBSZXN1bHRzIHdlcmUgdGgBMAEBAQE- Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 18:25:40 -0700 From: Gary Nafziger To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] heater control valve Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Newly restored tr-3 with over-hauled engine. Installed new heater control valve. Was getting NO heat to heater when engine was fully warmed up. (could grab heater hoses with bare hands.....very very lukewarm). I then fully closed the heater control valve and re-opened. Results were that I got heat again and hoses were almost too hot to hold. Since then I felt the hoses and they were very warm but didn't feel quit at hot. I just have a simple question. Does anyone know how the internals of the heater control valve are made? Is the shaft that screws up and down fastened to something that blocks the water flow and possibly could come loose? I'm wondering if the shaft and whatever blocks the water in the valve are no longer fastened (or are loose/floppy) that could explain why I might have differing amounts of heating through the heater. Just wondering. gary n. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 16 19:50:05 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1404C25852A0 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 19:50:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9190258522F for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 19:49:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from HomePC ([unknown] [96.228.234.241]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0NC000MN9VVZVS50@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 20:52:47 -0500 (CDT) From: "Pete Ryner" To: "Gary Nafziger" , References: <1410917140.77368.YahooMailNeo@web120606.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 21:52:48 -0400 Subject: Re: [TR] heater control valve Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Gary, I just happened to have mine removed and looked at the internals. At the bottom of the screw stem is a flat piece that seals the against the bottom of the valve and seals it when closed. When the stem is unscrewed (open) the flat piece comes up with the stem and allows water to pass below the piece into the horizontal tube. If you take the horizontal tube off of the valve you should be able to see if the sealing part has become disconnected which would restrict the water. You can also see if the horizontal valve has rust in it and has become clogged which is normal as the tube is steel. The other option is to just remove the top part of the valve which easily unscrews from the body to check the inside. Pete -----Original Message----- From: Gary Nafziger Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 9:25 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] heater control valve Newly restored tr-3 with over-hauled engine. Installed new heater control valve. Was getting NO heat to heater when engine was fully warmed up. (could grab heater hoses with bare hands.....very very lukewarm). I then fully closed the heater control valve and re-opened. Results were that I got heat again and hoses were almost too hot to hold. Since then I felt the hoses and they were very warm but didn't feel quit at hot. I just have a simple question. Does anyone know how the internals of the heater control valve are made? Is the shaft that screws up and down fastened to something that blocks the water flow and possibly could come loose? I'm wondering if the shaft and whatever blocks the water in the valve are no longer fastened (or are loose/floppy) that could explain why I might have differing amounts of heating through the heater. Just wondering. gary n. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pryner@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 16 21:03:24 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE22925852A5 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 21:03:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from gproxy3-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy3-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.30.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id DB2122580980 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 20:54:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 21725 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2014 02:57:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw3) (10.0.90.84) by gproxy3.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2014 02:57:47 -0000 Received: from just64.justhost.com ([173.254.28.64]) by cmgw3 with id s8xi1o00S1NzpT9018xlzT; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 02:57:46 -0600 a=vuSASFU9Tp3ZfMgjgJIBGg==:117 a=odl247kEqGQQ9keRrYGJ4A==:17 a=BY8XqHikAAAA:8 a=f5113yIGAAAA:8 a=fHKVhgYdTOgA:10 a=yKqyAkVeGwwA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=dKaUxyAQAAAA:8 a=PqYVp9QRvtMA:10 a=yssFK_F_BEgA:10 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=9Qe1tQVxfdAQbG5y-HgA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=E3LtK94QmHYA:10 Received: from [173.31.234.34] (port=61360 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1XU5R9-0006xY-N6; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 20:57:43 -0600 Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 21:57:39 -0500 To: terryrs@comcast.net,triumphs@autox.team.net From: Tony Drews References: <1410859829.26153.YahooMailNeo@web180904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <72970887.3542073.1410902251801.JavaMail.root@comcast.net> {sentby:smtp auth 173.31.234.34 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [TR] Break in Oil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net New rings won't seat with Synthetic Oil. You need to run Dino juice for some time first, even if it's just one cylinder. Tony Drews At 04:17 PM 9/16/2014, terryrs@comcast.net wrote: >Okay. I rebuilt my TR3A stock engine, used 30 weight non-detergent >for a break in period, then switched to Mobil 1 fully synthetic. All good. >Then...engine was overheating. Investigation led to a cylinder >sleeve that the machine shop cracked when honing (I say honing >because they didn't remove the lip at the top). >Removed and replaced the cylinder sleeves and the now scored pistons. >Question: I've been running the same full synthetic oil. But what >does that mean for seating the new rings? > >Terry Smith, '59 TR3A >New Hampshire > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tony@tonydrews.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 17 13:23:22 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C5292580BD9 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 13:23:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f180.google.com (mail-qc0-f180.google.com [209.85.216.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0E742580449 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 13:23:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qc0-f180.google.com with SMTP id m20so2951425qcx.11 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 12:26:07 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=gnWR+J4WxBVvImoNz+foM2MVZW2ce99uZUq5gVcOAVc=; b=x5fHVvr0b2Bp4W9JiuitlO8qEnKr6G/LYADJJotQf3gk67FcOJf/Gk8tFp2tNoTDmQ s+21IhP1hAGPq+dNEg061nYG5FOYNYB6XXEvXu9wAW9Le9Q5zk6zQC4jPcVFuq68QzUf 912tIGlopWrfOqv+pwKI2nfVgGVzEGe0hgFlTVdUfW90RMDKELhMxq4YqO1ZgK5hBCpq F3jEtYYa10K2SFUl7OikhMSiJ/mH2THs7evSi41Sl6jj2cxNHt9EbGUgDYuB0Ak+/Dct mQWypAe0YupvTvNK2QQIJWOhGC8o0YQJCGXZ+/GVKE4UJ/sVz1qBeMe7KNHz2Pa5xJ64 71Fg== v10mr60374199qad.31.1410981967218; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 12:26:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.96.14 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 12:25:47 -0700 (PDT) References: <003101cfcf97$d2a2f520$77e8df60$@net> From: Don Hiscock Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 14:25:47 -0500 To: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] 2015 VTR? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The VTR 2015 website was online right after Geo's note, but has been offline since then. Anyone have an ETA for its return? On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 4:53 PM, Geo Hahn wrote: > The website: http://www.vtr2015.com/ > > Geo > > On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Dennis Culligan > wrote: > > > Ok, so where will the 2015 VTR convention be held? > > > > > > > > Dennis Culligan / 1976 TR6 CF57948U > > > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 18 06:55:33 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 176072580937 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 06:55:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa12-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa12-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.232]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAB632584510 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 06:49:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([71.210.229.165]) by p3plsmtpa12-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id scsE1o0033alfWF01csEQQ; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 05:52:14 -0700 Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 06:51:50 -0600 From: David Porter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: "Triumphs (triumphs@autox.team.net)" Subject: [TR] parts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I get so disappointed sometimes.. I want to replace the Rotoflex couplers on my new GT6 acquisition and was ready to "check out" on the suppliers site till the shipping charges added another $22 to the bill. Granted they probably don't sell a lot of them, but they already took care of that issue with the each price. USPS will do it for about $10. I was going to "contact us" first to find out the Country of origin, but decided I should be glad to even find the parts let alone grouse about the details. On the other hand, I have to do this everyday and I'm aware of all the consequential scenarios that often occur and it pisses me off to continually bite the bullet to buy a simple part. Rant over, so anyone have a pair of NOS or good used ones they'd like to sell? I'll pay shipping too.;-) Dave -- Dave Porter Porter Custom Bicycles 2909 Arno St. NE Albuquerque, NM 87107 505-352-1378 Go HERE: my world www.porterbikes.com/ ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 19 11:41:54 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 159B125857A9 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 11:41:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout.cincibell.syn-alias.com [64.8.71.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D0BB258074D for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 11:41:30 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: , , a=jhuQplDhD+1Fhj9ECbjk7g==:17 a=ftS9dSg3q9oA:10 a=mrK-RkM4GToA:10 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=HPnP7vvyzy8aC5SKBLgA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=dDl8Vykz6X8A:10 a=C5wBnCpdJO8A:10 a=hAF8wx-yHM8W-3XEMCcA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=ITTA8xvqnVKqAGaO7Ev1Qg==:117 X_CMAE_Category: , , Received: from [10.35.79.1] ([10.35.79.1:60470] helo=smtp.fuse.net) by smtpout.cincibell.syn-alias.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.2.43620 r(Platform:3.6.2.0)) with ESMTP id 13/01-22368-87B6C145; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 13:44:24 -0400 X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=jhuQplDhD+1Fhj9ECbjk7g==:117 a=jhuQplDhD+1Fhj9ECbjk7g==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=ftS9dSg3q9oA:10 a=mrK-RkM4GToA:10 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=9iDbn-4jx3cA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=HPnP7vvyzy8aC5SKBLgA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=dDl8Vykz6X8A:10 a=C5wBnCpdJO8A:10 a=hAF8wx-yHM8W-3XEMCcA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com smtp.mail=dconnitt@fuse.net; spf=neutral; sender-id=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com header.from=dconnitt@fuse.net; sender-id=neutral Received-SPF: neutral (smtp02.cincibell.synacor.com: 74.215.65.95 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net) Received: from [74.215.65.95] ([74.215.65.95:50551] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtp.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39787)) with ESMTP id D5/FE-28977-87B6C145; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 13:44:24 -0400 From: "Dave Connitt" To: Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 13:49:19 -0400 Subject: [TR] Suggestions on a good torque wrench Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Slightly off topic but a friend of mine is looking to buy a torque wrench and I was wondering if anybody has had any experience with Harbor Freight's version? I think he would need both ft/lbs and inch/lbs as this is for a Harley Davidson. Apparently they shake a bit and stuff falls off.. Thanks, Dave Connitt ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 19 11:57:12 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1654725857C4 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 11:57:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC1S26.hotmail.com (blu004-omc1s26.hotmail.com [65.55.116.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 829B725807DF for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 11:49:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU168-W76 ([65.55.116.9]) by BLU004-OMC1S26.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22724); Fri, 19 Sep 2014 10:52:30 -0700 From: marty To: Dave Connitt , Triumph List Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 13:52:29 -0400 References: <80F836AECB6642D6B25A2E0999444CDF@DaveLaptop> FILETIME=[7B745AB0:01CFD432] Subject: Re: [TR] Suggestions on a good torque wrench Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I purchased a H.F. inch pounds one last year. I took it to work where we have a calibration machine just to see how it tested. It was not even close. If I recall it was off by like 50%. Mine went back to the store. :) > From: dconnitt@fuse.net > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 13:49:19 -0400 > Subject: [TR] Suggestions on a good torque wrench > > Slightly off topic but a friend of mine is looking to buy a torque wrench and > I was wondering if anybody has had any experience with Harbor Freight's > version? I think he would need both ft/lbs and inch/lbs as this is for a > Harley Davidson. Apparently they shake a bit and stuff falls off.. > Thanks, > Dave Connitt > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/trmarty@hotmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 19 13:32:56 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E93FF25857DC for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 13:32:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from devils.ext.ti.com (devils.ext.ti.com [198.47.26.153]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E74A32580A73 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 13:32:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dflxv15.itg.ti.com ([128.247.5.124]) by devils.ext.ti.com (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id s8JJZJTU020870 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 14:35:19 -0500 Received: from DLEE70.ent.ti.com (dlemailx.itg.ti.com [157.170.170.113]) by dflxv15.itg.ti.com (8.14.3/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s8JJZJSj010050 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 14:35:19 -0500 Received: from DLEE12.ent.ti.com ([fe80::b01c:958e:1aa:d17f]) by DLEE70.ent.ti.com ([fe80::c4c6:f618:54e7:ad11%28]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 14:35:19 -0500 From: "Fisher, Ed" To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: Torque wrench Thread-Index: Ac/UQNiLQi2U/hfGRs6pwOSvSeadjg== Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 19:35:19 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US Content-ID: Subject: [TR] Torque wrench Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net A buddy of mine bought a Harbor Freight torque wrench and we checked the calibration against a measurement tool at Texas Instruments. We found it within 2%, pretty much linear across the range. As with any piece of gear like that, don't drop it, and release the 'load' to zero in-between uses. Hope this helps. Ed in Dallas, Tx. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 19 14:57:50 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD46125857C4 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 14:57:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.230]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 821FA2580B41 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 14:55:04 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge02 smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [107.14.174.248] ([107.14.174.248:23936] helo=cdptpa-web17) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id 1E/DE-17817-7D89C145; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 20:57:59 +0000 Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 20:57:59 +0000 From: Randall To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Sensitivity: Normal 2014 20:57:59 +0000 Subject: Re: [TR] Torque wrench Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ---- "Fisher wrote: > A buddy of mine bought a Harbor Freight torque wrench Of course, the next one may not be the same. Most of the stuff I've gotten from HF has been pretty decent, but it seems to me that they have no quality control at all. For example, the first die grinder I bought tore itself up within seconds. It's (free) replacement worked fine and still does. Then there was the socket set where one socket had no teeth. And the seal puller that snapped on the very first tug. It's just "luck of the draw", in my opinion. They figure it's cheaper to have a 10% return rate than to spend 20% more inspecting what they sell beforehand. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 20 07:34:15 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76A9425807F1 for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2014 07:34:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173009pub.verizon.net (vms173009pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1E2B2580764 for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2014 07:33:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from c011358 ([unknown] [72.91.180.189]) by vms173009.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0NC7008O8CFMHHF0@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 20 Sep 2014 08:36:04 -0500 (CDT) From: "Carl TR" To: References: <20140919205759.T7C2B.82094.root@cdptpa-web17> Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 09:35:45 -0400 Thread-index: AQCUzZSqCIyGEF5ZA0GDH0VrvpC6HZ6AEVMg Content-language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Torque wrench Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Good morning all. I was finally getting around to installing the top bows on my TR3 project. The examples I pulled from the web show that the rear seat back stops anywhere between about 2-2 1/2" to 3/4-1" below the top of the rear capping piece. Mine is almost flush with it. It is possible that the two layers of heat/sound insulation and the carpet could account for some of the extra height but not all. 1) what would be the correct distance? It would make sense if it is in the 2" range so that the top bows could nestle down below the capping. But that would be a lot of trimming on the back piece. 2) what is the distance from the front of the flat platform (post 60000 body) to the location of the base of the back piece? The optional rear seat has a 12" base/13" cushion (I think the extra is mostly at the back. 3) what is the approximate angle that the seat back bends at the top (mine is only about 10d) and the pictures I have appear to be closer to 75-80d. Thanks Carl 1960 Triumph TR3A - TS81802LO http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ (unfortunately Verizon is closing down the mysite URLs at the end of this year - I need to find an inexpensive web location and move/rebuild my pages) Tampa, FL ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 20 07:42:41 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B5F525808EF for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2014 07:42:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173015pub.verizon.net (vms173015pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.15]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49FA82580764 for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2014 07:38:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from c011358 ([unknown] [72.91.180.189]) by vms173015.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0NC700193CO44O60@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 20 Sep 2014 08:40:58 -0500 (CDT) From: "Carl TR" To: Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 09:40:51 -0400 Thread-index: Ac/U2FnEn7+ut5rnR6WzzzBLJDNLiw== Content-language: en-us Subject: [TR] TR3 rear seat back question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Good morning all. (I am resending with the correct subject - sorry) I was finally getting around to installing the top bows on my TR3 project. The examples I pulled from the web show that the rear seat back stops anywhere between about 2-2 1/2" to 3/4-1" below the top of the rear capping piece. Mine is almost flush with it. It is possible that the two layers of heat/sound insulation and the carpet could account for some of the extra height but not all. 1) what would be the correct distance? It would make sense if it is in the 2" range so that the top bows could nestle down below the capping. But that would be a lot of trimming on the back piece. 2) what is the distance from the front of the flat platform (post 60000 body) to the location of the base of the back piece? The optional rear seat has a 12" base/13" cushion (I think the extra is mostly at the back. 3) what is the approximate angle that the seat back bends at the top (mine is only about 10d) and the pictures I have appear to be closer to 75-80d. Thanks Carl 1960 Triumph TR3A - TS81802LO http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ (unfortunately Verizon is closing down the mysite URLs at the end of this year - I need to find an inexpensive web location and move/rebuild my pages) Tampa, FL ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cfmtr3a@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 20 08:32:40 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7716B2584675 for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2014 08:32:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f180.google.com (mail-vc0-f180.google.com [209.85.220.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D495925802EB for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2014 08:32:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f180.google.com with SMTP id hq11so2862498vcb.39 for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2014 07:35:29 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=W+85yMtrRUs6+yLqmkjGye1RSL8pdKAfD0injmPYkao=; b=C8HbVM04VXtMRyyTp7KFRtonI9nCrr/1SNf4H1XS7PQ7KxDkruj1eztyyem+orvMo1 ASkIJAoOMKqnrQMyJPgZSzC6ovK7nhea4Ug4bsupl65QzRumbqWzB6zmBCUqIK3Ku8is RIGizZxiEw6qTMPcLMrCCce9oi6oLpWiZHFkWs5iYz1TGVsmVbcPHBW9iBwVUJA7ur9V O3oqww2pBipWp9DpGUWjRP/OV/eXIeiIW5uKTKx7n72d2r1AjV54hcjV5kj1HZE4jqeB /2s4pg6kCcgTVMv7Tcbleb4xRplPbc9kFWsao+CbTYllyiKrY3fA2LrZH2E130PVRPOX K5Uw== Sat, 20 Sep 2014 07:35:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.90.3 with HTTP; Sat, 20 Sep 2014 07:35:28 -0700 (PDT) References: <20140919205759.T7C2B.82094.root@cdptpa-web17> <002401cfd4d7$c8e7df10$5ab79d30$@verizon.net> Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 07:35:28 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Carl TR Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Torque wrench Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Carl - Here is a photo of my rear seat: http://goo.gl/ztS8OS It is a pre TS60K so different from yours, but I think all the rear seat bend back quite a bit along the top edge. If you do not have enough bend or the bend begins to high than perhaps the net result would be what you describe. Geo On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 6:35 AM, Carl TR wrote: > Good morning all. > > I was finally getting around to installing the top bows on my TR3 project. > The examples I pulled from the web show that the rear seat back stops > anywhere between about 2-2 1/2" to 3/4-1" below the top of the rear capping > piece. Mine is almost flush with it. It is possible that the two layers > of heat/sound insulation and the carpet could account for some of the extra > height but not all. > > 1) what would be the correct distance? It would make sense if it is in > the > 2" range so that the top bows could nestle down below the capping. But that > would be a lot of trimming on the back piece. > 2) what is the distance from the front of the flat platform (post 60000 > body) to the location of the base of the back piece? The optional rear > seat has a 12" base/13" cushion (I think the extra is mostly at the back. > 3) what is the approximate angle that the seat back bends at the top (mine > is only about 10d) and the pictures I have appear to be closer to 75-80d. > > Thanks > > Carl > 1960 Triumph TR3A - TS81802LO > http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ (unfortunately Verizon is closing > down > the mysite URLs at the end of this year - I need to find an inexpensive web > location and move/rebuild my pages) > Tampa, FL > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 20 13:40:03 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CC41258464D for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2014 13:40:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E15A2580722 for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2014 13:38:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE9BC2C014E for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2014 13:41:39 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 13:41:38 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26.1 To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Team.Net archives Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Shucks. My initial idea about massaging saved mail files and getting them into the missing spots in the archives isn't working as well as I thought. I'll keep working on it. And another item I want to take care of this weekend are some thank yous to those who have recently donated to the cause. I'm WAY behind on that! Have a pleasant weekend. mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 20 19:46:02 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FD6D2584667 for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2014 19:46:02 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo102.cox.net (fed1rmfepo102.cox.net [68.230.241.144]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC37D2580808 for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2014 19:45:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo209 ([68.230.241.160]) by fed1rmfepo102.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20140921014817.HBYK5235.fed1rmfepo102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo209> for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2014 21:48:17 -0400 Received: from [10.114.87.147] ([166.137.182.96]) by fed1rmimpo209 with cox id tdoD1o00925BvRS01doF7n; Sat, 20 Sep 2014 21:48:16 -0400 a=mGW98cfI8gZHmbJMtOO/cg==:17 a=tivBw6A70WkA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=8HEfqVGH6NAuSSbqFEUA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=mGW98cfI8gZHmbJMtOO/cg==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (PLAIN) smtp.auth=jpaynepbr@cox.net From: Jonas Payne Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 18:48:12 -0700 References: To: Randall Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Torque wrench Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I don't buy anything precision from HF. They have a use - sledge hammers, vices, and disposable tools. I have a parts washer and sandblast cabinet too (all internals have been replaced in both). You get what you pay for. Anybody that expects top quality at 30% cost is deluding themselves >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: timipurdy at citlink.net (Tim Purdy) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2014 14:22:45 -0700 Subject: [TR] TR4 Bonnet I have a few problems of late with my '64 Triumph, one being the brake lines. However, yesterday, when I wanted to check the fluid level, the bonnet appears stuck and wont open. How can I easily determine whether the cable is broken. Since the release lever does not open it, is there an alternative to opening it? How frustrating with nice driving weather, and I can't in the TR4. >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: jpaynepbr at cox.net (Jonas Payne) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 08:31:03 -0700 Subject: [TR] Slow Fast Slow Fast References: <9Go41o00b0NyJgq01Go7ap> Look for heat marks/discoloration on your rotors. These "hot spots" are work hardened metal and can cause a pulsation. If you have them, they can't be machined out. They can be caused by using a pad that is too hard. I run the softest pads I can find on all my cars. Jonas Payne PBR Consulting Services, LLC 702.882.6711 ----- >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 03:20:28 -0700 Subject: [TR] Slow Fast Slow Fast > Just checked the rotor > runout and it's > way out of spec on the right and OK (.005) on the left. > > Should I turn both rotors? IMO, replace the right, leave the left alone except for breaking the glaze. If the right rotor warped that badly, then it's almost certainly a bad casting and will just warp again. > They aren't scored; if I turn > them must I put in > new pads? Should be OK to reuse the old pads, if they look alright. But since they normally wear out first, changing them now may mean longer before you change them again. Kind of depends on what your time is worth to change them. Randall >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: thenicholls at verizon.net (thenicholls at verizon.net) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2014 16:22:34 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [TR] LED instrument lights on EBAY Anyone out there purchased and is using these LED instrument lights listed on EBAY? http://www.ebay.com/itm/300923024335?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 Craig 72 Triumph TR6 >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: ptegler at verizon.net (ptegler) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2014 02:54:45 -0400 Subject: [TR] LED instrument lights on EBAY References: <29087932.873617.1401744154230.JavaMail.root@vznit170132> bought a set about a year ago..... nice but more expensive than the sets I've since bought from Sencart.com ..not sure what happened to the pics...but one is still there about second fro mthe last row second pic from teh left. I have sets of red, green, blue, and white. They are all brighter than the ebay units you mention, and half the cost. nfi...just a satified experimenter, I used the green in my Triumph as the speedo and tach already had green lenses over the bulbs inside. now at least ALL my gauges are green. ptegler On 6/2/2014 5:22 PM, thenicholls at verizon.net wrote: > Anyone out there purchased and is using these LED instrument lights listed on EBAY? > > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/300923024335?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 > >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: greg at gelhar.com (greg at gelhar.com) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2014 02:52:05 -0400 Subject: [TR] 1974 TR6 Headrest References: You have to depress the spring steel tab that protrudes from the support post which prevents the headrest from just sliding out. The tab is located on the right side of the headrest shaft. Here is what the little tab looks like that holds them in. The spring action is very stiff. I haven't figured out what tool is necessary to release it. I tried steel shim stock and found the tab would puncture it before pressing in. I have these pictures because I ended up stripping down a seat for recovering. Greg G. Osseo, MN > Does anybody know how the adjustable headrest on a 1974 TR6 comes off. > Got these neat seatbelt guides but I can't figure out if the headrest > comes > out or the second option is to cut the guides. Thanks > Harry Mague >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: moira.secrest at verizon.net (Martin Secrest) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2014 20:38:03 -0400 Subject: [TR] Slow Fast Slow Fast References: <3928A0B5-4489-415E-A01C-AEE73E43614E@verizon.net> Thanks Jeff; basically everything's already in good shape. The machine shop confirmed what I thought. On rotor was way out of spec and has to be replaced. Fortunately they are cheap. > On Jun 2, 2014, at 1:57 PM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > > On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Martin Secrest > wrote: > >> >> Should I turn both rotors? They aren't scored; if I turn them must I put in >> new pads? > > If I recall,t he GT6 rotors are like Spitfire rotors - a solid disk > without much extra thickness. May not be able to turn the warp out of > it. > > I'd be tempted to replace rotors and pads, and make sure to evaluate > the cause - is a caliper sticking? Also a good opportunity to clean > and grease bearings, replace rubber hoses, etc., if that all hasn't > already been done recently. > > But then, I'm an overkill kind of guy. If I go ahead and replace > everything while I'm in there, I don't have to take apart something > right after I just put it back together. > > Jeff Scarbrough > Corrosion Acres, Ga. >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 13:57:19 -0400 Subject: [TR] Slow Fast Slow Fast References: <3928A0B5-4489-415E-A01C-AEE73E43614E@verizon.net> On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Martin Secrest wrote: > > Should I turn both rotors? They aren't scored; if I turn them must I put in > new pads? If I recall,t he GT6 rotors are like Spitfire rotors - a solid disk without much extra thickness. May not be able to turn the warp out of it. I'd be tempted to replace rotors and pads, and make sure to evaluate the cause - is a caliper sticking? Also a good opportunity to clean and grease bearings, replace rubber hoses, etc., if that all hasn't already been done recently. But then, I'm an overkill kind of guy. If I go ahead and replace everything while I'm in there, I don't have to take apart something right after I just put it back together. Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: dave at ranteer.com (dave n) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2014 11:52:19 -0500 Subject: [TR] LED instrument lights on EBAY References: <29087932.873617.1401744154230.JavaMail.root@vznit170132> <538D7135.3060901@verizon.net> I may be the only one, and yes my car is heavily modified for performance, but I rather like the ambiance of the dim gages. yes, they are harder to read, and maybe not so showy perfect. I have another car with new, replacement gages, and they are bright. but there is just something I like about the tr6 cockpit, the wood dash, and those dim gages . . . . >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: moira.secrest at verizon.net (Martin Secrest) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2014 11:55:48 -0400 Subject: [TR] Catalytic Converter for TR6? Bit a strange question: can one retrofit a cat converter to a 72 TR6? What are the requirements other than a place for it under the chassis? Not asking because of any legal requirement, just want to reduce my carbon footprint. Martin Secrest >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: leejohn7 at gmail.com (Lee&John Howard) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 19:27:48 -0700 Subject: [TR] TR4 and Monza ( the blown gasket saga) I know this has been talked about many times, but i can't get into the archives. Would some of you be willing to share your degree of satisfaction with the Monza system that everyone sells for the TR4? I have to replace the headers that came with the car as they are badly warped and not enough thickness to the flange to level off. I've long had an unused 4 in 1 header from Ebay maybe 15 years ago and thought I'd use that with a new pipe and muffler, Interesting about the current exhaust is that the pipe is only 1 5/8" ID, which always looked a bit small, (although the Monza is only 3/8" larger). My machine shop guy says that when increasing the flow via a larger pipe one sacrifices torque to gain revs at higher speeds. A smaller pipe conversely increases torque, which is what the original owner of this car would have wanted for his auto-crossing back in the 60's and 70's. Amazing what i don;t know. Anyway, would appreciate any comments, and thanks. Incidentally, best EBay price is $262 from a commercial seller. John >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: ccsimonsen at gmail.com (Chris Simo) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2014 17:25:33 -0400 Subject: [TR] 4 vs 6 vane water pump impellor References: <002301cf7bd6$7a879f40$6f96ddc0$@ukpips.org.uk> <4C.90.25046.B02B8835@cdptpa-oedge03> I googled the bete noire reference and found a nice cake recipe. My wife loved it. >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob Labuz) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2014 10:20:06 -0400 Subject: [TR] Catalytic Converter for TR6? References: Martin, A converter will have no affect on CO2. It will convert CO to CO2 I think. It may alter other gasses such as SO2 or SO3 and some Nitrogen compounds. But what goes in the converter comes out, maybe in a different form but the same elements. The only way I know of altering elements is by fusion and fission. Also, it will get very hot during operation. It will require a heat shield of some sort. The best bet is to keep your engine in top tune IMO. Bob On 06/03/2014 11:55 AM, Martin Secrest wrote: > Bit a strange question: can one retrofit a cat converter to a 72 TR6? > > What are the requirements other than a place for it under the chassis? > > Not asking because of any legal requirement, just want to reduce my carbon > footprint. > > Martin Secrest >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 07:59:59 -0700 Subject: [TR] Catalytic Converter for TR6? > A converter will have no affect on CO2. It will convert CO to CO2 I > think. Right. Also HC to H2O + CO2; and NOx to N2 + O2 (if you have a "3-way" catalyst). > Also, it will get very hot during operation. It will require a heat > shield of some sort. In order to achieve the reactions, it also needs free oxygen in the input. That means your engine has to either run leaner than normal (so not all the oxygen is consumed by combustion), or you need a air injection system to feed O2 to the converter. My point being that it isn't just a bolt-on device. > The best bet is to keep your engine in top tune IMO. Basically anything that reduces fuel consumption will also lower your "carbon footprint". Randall >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: greg.meythaler at intel.com (Meythaler, Greg) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 16:15:37 +0000 Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 7, Issue 153 References: They're caused by hot spots, but typically you get hot spots because you are using to soft a pad that gets over heated or doesn't have the right heat range. Here is a great reference on the subject: http://www.stoptech.com/technical-support/technical-white-papers/-warped-brak e-disc-and-other-myths -greg ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 08:31:03 -0700 From: "Jonas Payne" To: "'Martin Secrest'" , Subject: Re: [TR] Slow Fast Slow Fast Look for heat marks/discoloration on your rotors. These "hot spots" are work hardened metal and can cause a pulsation. If you have them, they can't be machined out. They can be caused by using a pad that is too hard. I run the softest pads I can find on all my cars. Jonas Payne PBR Consulting Services, LLC 702.882.6711 ----- >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: dave at ranteer.com (dave n) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 18:03:42 -0500 Subject: [TR] Catalytic Converter for TR6? References: others will correct me if I'm wrong - all a cat does I believe is change carbon monoxide to carbon dioxide. I think there are better ways to reduce your carbon footprint. a big one is to drive an old car and save all the energy utilized in the construction of a new vehicle! -----Original Message----- From: Martin Secrest Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2014 10:55 AM To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Catalytic Converter for TR6? Bit a strange question: can one retrofit a cat converter to a 72 TR6? What are the requirements other than a place for it under the chassis? Not asking because of any legal requirement, just want to reduce my carbon footprint. Martin Secrest >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: pdonnel1 at san.rr.com (John & Pat Donnelly) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 21:16:49 -0700 Subject: [TR] TRactor Engine Timing After rebuilding my TR4A engine I've been playing around with the engine timing (advance/retard) to dial in the best performance. The engine has the Moss cam & 87 MM pistons, but everything else is stock. Stock HS6's, stock distributor with Pertronix, new gears and timing chain. The vacuum advance is attached. I never seem to be able to get the full range performance I would expect. I can get low end to be great but the top end suffers. Redial it and the top end is great but low end is sluggish. I dont think the carbs are it, as I've changed to richer needles, made it richer/leaner, and it didn't help. I did learn that a richer mixture seems to hide timing differences. And I got to thinking that the TR4A distributor has an advance limit built into it and was wondering if going to a more full range dizzy would give me that full range performance. Shouldn't the dizzy advance and the cam specs match up? Why the limited advance anyway? BTW, the weather is absolutely bitchin to be driving with top down every day here in San Diego. I'm loving it. Johnnie 67 TR4A >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: jpaynepbr at cox.net (Jonas Payne) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 16:03:13 -0700 Subject: [TR] carpet snap layout Does anybody have a diagram showing the carpet snap layout for a TR3? I replaced the floors in mine, and the old ones were too far gone to make any sense of it. Jonas Payne PBR Consulting Services, LLC 702.882.6711 ----- >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2014 22:31:44 -0600 Subject: [TR] What fun. At the moment, there are 36,753 pending emails on Team.Net waiting to be delivered to subscribers. Most are to Yahoo, AOL, Comcast, Hotmail addresses. You know, small obscure operations. This DMARC stuff is killing me. I wonder how many folks, if any, will actually see this message? mjb. >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2014 00:01:49 -0500 Subject: [TR] What fun. References: <53914430.1080803@bradakis.com> Made it through to me... Tony Drews At 11:31 PM 6/5/2014, Mark J Bradakis wrote: >At the moment, there are 36,753 pending emails on Team.Net waiting >to be delivered to subscribers. >Most are to Yahoo, AOL, Comcast, Hotmail addresses. You know, small >obscure operations. This DMARC >stuff is killing me. > >I wonder how many folks, if any, will actually see this message? > >mjb. > >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: malcolm at ipatch.ca (Malcolm) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 22:15:10 -0700 Subject: [TR] Catalytic Converter for TR6? References: I'm going to do some armchair engineering here, so please feel free to research and refute anything I claim. While you most certainly can retrofit the catalytic converter, it's not the only requirement by far. In order for the catalytic convert to do its job, there needs to be sufficient oxygen in the exhaust to burn up (catalyze...) the extra hydrocarbons. The converter should be located close to the engine (so that it heats up) and as far from the passengers as you can (because it gets hot). If your mixture is too rich then the catalytic converter will overheat. I had an old Ford wagon that had that happen - the converter got bright red. Could be a fire hazard! So, by my speculation, you should have at least an oxygen sensor and some means of automatically adjusting the mixture to compensate / ensure that the converter is working. You may also need an air pump to feed fresh air into the exhaust to make the converter work. A fascinating problem, but is it worth the effort? Also, consider that the manufacture of your new catalytic converter may have involved the mining and refinement of some heavy metals. Will your driving and reduced hydrocarbon output actually offset that? Personally, I would get the mixture adjustment components working first - and test your car after a good tune-up to determine how bad it really is. I suspect that you will affect your carbon footprint more with careful driving and proper maintenance than you would by adding more hardware to the system. M On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 8:55 AM, Martin Secrest wrote: > Bit a strange question: can one retrofit a cat converter to a 72 TR6? > > What are the requirements other than a place for it under the chassis? > > Not asking because of any legal requirement, just want to reduce my carbon > footprint. > > Martin Secrest > >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: 75TR6 at TR6.Danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 16:58:59 -0400 Subject: [TR] 1974 TR6 Headrest References: You can read how to do it here......... http://www.6-pack.org/j15/index.php/forum/15-mechanical-repair-maintenance-a-restoration/249244-Headrest-removal#281896 Very difficult with the covers on the seat. Bob Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/ 1975 Mimosa TR6 TBI, 5 Speed, LSD, CVJs >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 07:10:35 -0500 Subject: [TR] Catalytic Converter for TR6? References: The products of hydrocarbon combustion are water and carbon dioxide. If you want less CO2, as others have said, burn less gasoline. Drive less and more economically. Tune the car well including tire pressures. Air pollution is much more than CO2, and when catalysts were developed it was more about photochemical smog than anything else (CO2 and global warming was being talked about by a few academics, not the population at large). Original two-way catalytic convertors manage incomplete combustion products (unburned hydrocarbons, HC, and carbon monoxide, CO). Modern three-way catalytic convertors in addition manage oxides of nitrogen (NOX), a component of smog and acid rain that results from lean mixtures and hot combustion. Catalytic convertors don't change the fundamental equation that CO2 comes from burning fuel. Don 1962 TR3B TSF202L On 6/3/14, Martin Secrest wrote: > Bit a strange question: can one retrofit a cat converter to a 72 TR6? > > What are the requirements other than a place for it under the chassis? > > Not asking because of any legal requirement, just want to reduce my carbon > footprint. > > Martin Secrest > >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: dave at ranteer.com (dave n) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 14:22:27 -0500 Subject: [TR] goodparts roller bearing clutch mechanism anyone using this? Ibm thinking of getting it. >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 17:19:33 -0400 Subject: [TR] TRactor Engine Timing References: <002e01cf8074$f8f54920$eadfdb60$@rr.com> Hi John, Funny you should post this as I have just about finished by TR4A here in Cincinnati and did a bit of struggling with the tuning also. I have the BPNW 270 degree cam and 87mm pistons but I also have a RevingtonTR 4into1header and mating exhaust and on of those 123 distributors I bought from Darrell many moons ago when he went to Weber carbs. That distributor is kind of pricey now but in my opinion, it really delivers. It has 17 different advance curves in it. Mine is set to have about 10 degrees at 1,000 RPM, a little over 22 degrees at 2,000 RPM and about 31 degrees at 4,500 RPM. I am running 93 octain fuel and have been carefull to listen for pinging during long pulls up hills and such and the engine seems to be tolerating the current timing settings. I only have about 400 miles on the engine so far so I am not pushing it too much but I know it pulls real strong from about 2,000RPM to as high as I dare go now (about 4,000RPM very occasionally). I played around with the needles too, going one step richer but the plugs fouled so I went back to stock and just did a 400 mile tune up and the plug electrodes were tan and the surrounding plug was black. Tuning this thing was way different that any other type of engine I ever fooled with I can tell you that. I found that the float levels really affect the mixture also as you are adjusting the level of fuel at the main jet/needle. Lots of things to think about.. Can you get someone to rev up the engine while you have a set back timing light on it? If so, what do you see timing wise at the 1,000, 2,000 and 4500? Just curious as I think you are right in the problem being timing or more acurately advance related.. Dave Connitt ----- Original Message ----- aFrom: "John & Pat Donnelly" To: "'Triumphs'" Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 12:16 AM Subject: [TR] TRactor Engine Timing > After rebuilding my TR4A engine I've been playing around with the engine > timing (advance/retard) to dial in the best performance. The engine has > the > Moss cam & 87 MM pistons, but everything else is stock. Stock HS6's, stock > distributor with Pertronix, new gears and timing chain. The vacuum advance > is attached. > > I never seem to be able to get the full range performance I would expect. > I > can get low end to be great but the top end suffers. Redial it and the top > end is great but low end is sluggish. > > I dont think the carbs are it, as I've changed to richer needles, made it > richer/leaner, and it didn't help. I did learn that a richer mixture seems > to hide timing differences. > > And I got to thinking that the TR4A distributor has an advance limit built > into it and was wondering if going to a more full range dizzy would give > me > that full range performance. Shouldn't the dizzy advance and the cam specs > match up? > > Why the limited advance anyway? > > BTW, the weather is absolutely bitchin to be driving with top down every > day > here in San Diego. I'm loving it. > > Johnnie > > 67 TR4A >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: 75TR6 at TR6.Danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2014 08:18:02 -0400 Subject: [TR] LED instrument lights on EBAY References: <29087932.873617.1401744154230.JavaMail.root@vznit170132> Yes.... with caveats: - They won't fit in the speedo/tach bulb holes if you still have the green diffuser in the gauge. The bulb is too long and hits the diffuser - They CAN NOT be used for the "idiot" lights or turn signals. LEDs are one way and for the those lights the current needs to flow both ways. Moss also sells bulbs like these and I called tech support about the idiot light problem. They agreed that they won't work and that the item should be noted as such in the catalog..... they also acknowledged getting support calls from people who have used them in the idiot lights. Bob Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/ 1975 Mimosa TR6 TBI, 5 Speed, LSD, CVJs -----Original Message----- From: thenicholls at verizon.net Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 5:22 PM To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: [TR] LED instrument lights on EBAY Anyone out there purchased and is using these LED instrument lights listed on EBAY? http://www.ebay.com/itm/300923024335?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 Craig 72 Triumph TR6 >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: glemon at neb.rr.com (Greg Lemon) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2014 20:11:22 -0500 Subject: [TR] Fw: LED instrument lights on EBAY I ran into the same issue Bob mentions when I tried to use the big LEDS, I did however end up figuring out how to get the LED to work for the turn signal indicator (with a little help from my internet friends) it wasn't too hard or expensive, and since I couldn't really see the incandescent in the bright sun, and I can see the LED, I thought was worth the effort: Take one of these: http://autolumination.com/otherleds.htm (scroll down to E10 Screw Base 4 Led Focused Lens Led Bulbs) Put one of these inline to the LED: http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...ductId=2062581 And go from this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3om56PrC9Rs to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B80m6kPyero > > Greg Lemon >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: allenhess at mgcarclub.com (Allen Hess) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2014 12:04:48 -0400 Subject: [TR] TR4 Bonnet References: The release cable is fixed to the bonnet release bracket with a push on clip. If the clip and cable come off the bracket the cable release won't work. (ask me how I know, etc.) I managed to release the latch from underneath the car. Had a sore and scraped arm afterwards. I then wired the cable and clip to the bracket. It can be done so it's barley noticeable. I've just thought that you might be able to pull the release and from inside the footwell also pull on the outer cable thereby shortening it. If the cable clamp has come loose or is broken, then that's another issue. Allen > I have a few problems of late with my '64 Triumph, one being the > brake lines. > However, yesterday, when I wanted to check the fluid level, the > bonnet appears > stuck and wont open. How can I easily determine whether the cable is > broken. > Since the release lever does not open it, is there an alternative to > opening > it? How frustrating with nice driving weather, and I can't in the TR4. >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: tr250driver at gmail.com (darrell floyd) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2014 11:13:33 -0400 Subject: [TR] Brake light woes Guys, Here I am all ready to go to the TRA National meeting and a light check on the TR3B reveals no brake lights at all. Everything else is normal. The TR4 is a little better, brake lights come on if you stomp on the pedal. No I do not have any spare switches. If I can get a couple of those by Tuesday do any of you know if I will need to bleed the brakes after I install them? Any other ideas on what to check?? Thanks, Darrell >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: keithstewart at execulink.com (Keith Stewart) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2014 18:28:40 -0400 Subject: [TR] carpet snap layout References: On Wed, 4 Jun 2014, at 4:03 PM, Jonas Payne wrote: > > > Does anybody have a diagram showing the carpet snap layout for a TR3? > > I replaced the floors in mine, and the old ones were too far gone to make > any sense of it. The front "carpet" is actually a rubber mat. Whether you have the original or a replacement, they have the snaps already installed. I think your best bet is to line the rubber mat up to fit the contours of the transmission tunnel, the firewall and inner sills and place the studs under the snaps on the rubber mat. Keith Stewart keithstewartATexeculinkDOTcom >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: deruiterville at hotmail.com (Randy and Valerie DeRuiter) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 10:04:33 -0500 Subject: [TR] Brake light woes References: Darrell- My guess is you are running Dot5 in your system? That is what I think created the same problem in my 3A - brakes would only light if I stomped on them, sensitivity was lost. My solution was switching to a mechanical switch mounted under the dash. I think you can pull that switch quickly and not need a complete rebleed, but of course plan on bleeding just in case. But if you do use Dot5, expect this to be a recurring issue based on what I've seen. Randy >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: Ronald.Griffing at comcast.net (Ronald.Griffing at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 14:16:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] What fun. References: <53914430.1080803@bradakis.com> <20140608053612.72BD42585472@autox.team.net> Mark, As one of the "Comcasters"... Since June 1st I have 11 [TR] messages in my inbox. None of them are from you. I did not see the original of the message you sent below. Ron Griffing '62 TR4 CT1550L ~'60 Morris Minor 1000 MA2S3L791631 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: "Mark J Bradakis" , "Triumphs" Sent: Thursday, June 5, 2014 10:01:49 PM Subject: Re: [TR] What fun. Made it through to me... Tony Drews At 11:31 PM 6/5/2014, Mark J Bradakis wrote: >At the moment, there are 36,753 pending emails on Team.Net waiting >to be delivered to subscribers. >Most are to Yahoo, AOL, Comcast, Hotmail addresses. You know, small >obscure operations. This DMARC >stuff is killing me. > >I wonder how many folks, if any, will actually see this message? > >mjb. >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: hdrider570 at att.net (Q) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 07:50:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [TR] Brake light woes (Randy and Valerie DeRuiter) The switch is available from Napa Auto parts in both the spade terminal (ECH SL147) and screw terminal types (ECH SL144). My local staore has both in stock. They must fit American cars as well. I have changed these several times without having to bleed the brakes but you need to be fast when you swap the two switches. Edward Hamer petaluma CA >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: kinderlehrer at comcast.net (Kinderlehrer) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 09:14:09 -0700 Subject: [TR] Brake light woes References: I think if you remove the reservoir cap, stretch plastic wrap over the opening and then replace the cap, essentially closing the vent hole to create a vacuum, you will not lose any fluid. Don't forget to remove the plastic wrap when you finish the replacement of the switch :-). Even if you do lose some fluid, it's up stream of the wheel cylinders, so most likely you won't have to bleed the system. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of darrell floyd Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2014 8:14 AM To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Brake light woes Guys, Here I am all ready to go to the TRA National meeting and a light check on the TR3B reveals no brake lights at all. Everything else is normal. The TR4 is a little better, brake lights come on if you stomp on the pedal. No I do not have any spare switches. If I can get a couple of those by Tuesday do any of you know if I will need to bleed the brakes after I install them? Any other ideas on what to check?? Thanks, Darrell >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: tr4a2712 at yahoo.com (Cosmo Kramer) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 16:54:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [TR] Brake light woes Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 09:14:09 -0700 From: "Kinderlehrer" To: "'darrell floyd'" , Subject: Re: [TR] Brake light woes I think if you remove the reservoir cap, stretch plastic wrap over the opening and then replace the cap, essentially closing the vent hole to create a vacuum, you will not lose any fluid. Don't forget to remove the plastic wrap when you finish the replacement of the switch :-). Even if you do lose some fluid, it's up stream of the wheel cylinders, so most likely you won't have to bleed the system. Bob Hi List! After you are done, squeeze the front brake pads back against the back of the caliper. This will 'BACKFLUSH' the air bubbles back on top of the reservoir. -Cosmo Kramer >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: elliottr at rmi.net (Roger Elliott) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 18:04:46 -0500 Subject: [TR] Fw: LED instrument lights on EBAY References: <83FE11EAF59440C6A64A9A03CB797324@livingroompc> Could you repeat the Radio Shack link? I clicked on it an Radio Shack is not able to find the part. I even searched for 2062581 which I guess is the part number. Roger On 06/07/2014 08:11 PM, Greg Lemon wrote: > I ran into the same issue Bob mentions when I tried to use the big > LEDS, I > did however end up figuring out how to get the LED to work for the turn > signal indicator (with a little help from my internet friends) it > wasn't too > hard or expensive, and since I couldn't really see the incandescent in > the > bright sun, and I can see the LED, I thought was worth the effort: > > Take one of these: > > http://autolumination.com/otherleds.htm > > (scroll down to E10 Screw Base 4 Led Focused Lens Led Bulbs) > > Put one of these inline to the LED: > > http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...ductId=2062581 > > And go from this: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3om56PrC9Rs > > to this: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B80m6kPyero >> >> Greg Lemon >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: lherault at verizon.net (Ron L'Herault) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 10:29:36 -0400 Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 7, Issue 159 References: Today's Topics: 1. Re: TR4 Bonnet (Allen Hess) 2. Brake light woes (darrell floyd) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- RE: the Bonnet. Do you get resistance or is the cable completely loose? If you get resistance, have someone push on the hood over the latch area while you pull the cable. RE: Brake light switches. If you can get to the areas where wires attach and/or to where the actuator plunger goes into the switch, spray in some contact cleaner. It's a spray deoxidizing material that cleans off contacts. You can get it at places like "Radio Shack." Ron L >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: dave at ranteer.com (dave n) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 09:12:36 -0500 Subject: [TR] Brake light woes References: <002401cf8659$58256210$08702630$@net> if you get speedbleeders, bleeding is very easy. http://www.speedbleeder.com/ >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: binduni at gmail.com (Brian Induni) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 07:34:18 -0700 Subject: [TR] Brake light woes Not sure I follow the logic of the Dot 5 fluid - I've used this in at least a dozen cars I've restored and have never had an issue because of it. I have, however, learned that the mechanical pressure switch is a finicky bugger, and have also learned that if I fill the pressure inlet with fluid, it will push the air out that is trapped in there. Remember, if you have air in your brake lines, the brakes don't work so well. Same goes for the switch. You need to "bleed" the air out of it before installing it. I'm not claiming that the switch works exactly like a mech switch, but pretty close. If there is enough pressure to engage the brakes, the lights should come on. Of course, this is assuming the switch is new, which is an absolute must! Brian >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: deruiterville at hotmail.com (Randy and Valerie DeRuiter) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 12:37:07 -0500 Subject: [TR] Brake light woes References: I'm not sure there is logic involved, but there is some evidence - 3 cars in my club, including mine have experienced this. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me, but it seems too coincidental to have switches fail completely or become much less sensitive to pedal pressure to stop working, and its been after a switch to Dot 5. Dot 4 flushing/refresh, typical maintenance etc and I don't know of an issue. Possibly its related to having some air trapped in the switch, but in my thinking that would just lead to a spongy pedal feel, not failure - pressure would be transmitted in the switch through the air too. In my case I was still using an older switch so possibly the newer Napa or equivalent replacement might behave better. > Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 07:34:18 -0700 > From: binduni at gmail.com > To: triumphs at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [TR] Brake light woes > > Not sure I follow the logic of the Dot 5 fluid - I've used this in at least > a dozen cars I've restored and have never had an issue because of it. I > have, however, learned that the mechanical pressure switch is a finicky > bugger, and have also learned that if I fill the pressure inlet with fluid, > it will push the air out that is trapped in there. Remember, if you have > air in your brake lines, the brakes don't work so well. Same goes for the > switch. You need to "bleed" the air out of it before installing it. I'm not > claiming that the switch works exactly like a mech switch, but pretty > close. If there is enough pressure to engage the brakes, the lights should > come on. > > Of course, this is assuming the switch is new, which is an absolute must! > > Brian >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: davewillner at pa.net (davewillner) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 14:29:06 -0400 Subject: [TR] Price of B. Piggott's Original TR2,3? I was looking for some TR3 items in the UK on eBay and I came across a used copy of Bill Piggott's "Original TR2/3/3A" offered at $625.00. Can't believe it, how's that possible? Dave Willner 59 TR3A 70 MGB 70 BSA 441 VS [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of Emoticon9.gif] >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: zoboherald at aol.com (Andrew S. Mace) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 16:03:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [TR] Price of B. Piggott's Original TR2,3? References: <3BFE883C863649CBBA3095627336E086@home2b99dc0107> Just "Google" the title and you'll see worse! Sadly, I remember when a decent TR2/3/3A "driver" cost less than the asking price of some copies of this book! :( --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: italyfound at gmail.com (Italyfound) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2014 08:01:55 +0200 Subject: [TR] Triumph Club Quick question on a club in Michigan...... Is anyone familiar with the Detroit Triumph Sports Car Club? Is this club still active. I have been trying to contact them but have received no response to emails... Thx, Alex Manzo 59 TR3A 72 TR6 00 Fiat Barchetta >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: perryfly at gmail.com (Perry Hammock) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 21:33:37 -0400 Subject: [TR] TR3 Broken Clutch Taper Pin Removal Perhaps I finally have something to contribute today after removing the transmission in my TR3A I found the clutch fork taper pin was broken at the threads. read up on the remedies suggested, ecch. I cleaned up the area, and tried to think of another way. I got my 1/4 sheet vibrating sander, wedged the grease fitting on the cross shaft between the platen and the body and let it vibrate the assembly. After about a minute or so, the pin fell out with out any other encouragement Bob's your Uncle! That was easy, and the beer tasted so wonderful. Just a suggestion next time you face the same dilemma. Perry Hammock 1960 TR3A O >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2014 08:49:59 -0400 Subject: [TR] Price of B. Piggott's Original TR2,3? References: <3BFE883C863649CBBA3095627336E086@home2b99dc0107> Tell me when one sells for that price, and then I'll be impressed. It takes nothing to ask a crazy amount. Do you have a link to the listing? I can't find it... Don On 6/13/14, davewillner wrote: > I was looking for some TR3 items in the UK on eBay and I came across a used > copy of Bill Piggott's "Original TR2/3/3A" offered at $625.00. Can't > believe > it, how's that possible? > > Dave Willner > 59 TR3A > 70 MGB > 70 BSA 441 VS >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: gpr at key-men.com (George Richardson) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2014 12:23:05 -0400 Subject: [TR] TR3 rotors I've got a 1957 TR3, the first year the car had disc brakes. The rotors are shots and I wanted to replace them. I learned some time back that the cars brakes were not original. The pads, shoes, front calipers and rear cylinders all seemed to be from a TR4. I ordered parts from Moss, including 10 3/4" rotors. Unfortunately, after getting them and mounting one, I find that the old rotors are 10 1/4", and the calipers don't fit. Anyone know what takes a 10 1/4" rotor? TR6 maybe? -- George Richardson Key Men - Keys for Classics www.key-men.com 1957 Triumph TR3 1961 Jaguar Mark 2 1975 Triumph TR6 1997 Land Rover Discovery >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: glevit1 at msn.com (glevit1) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 15:08:43 -0700 Subject: [TR] Brake Switch Hard to engage with silicone fluid Follow link for discussion of hydralic switch with silicone fluid. http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/electric/et119a.htm Follow link for this swith which spe if it's that it can be used with silicone fluid and operates on low pressure of 20 to 50 psi Gerry http://www.ronfrancis.com/prodinfo.asp?number=SW-32 >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 23:37:38 +0000 Subject: [TR] Brake light woes > Of course, this is assuming the switch is new, which is an absolute must! So, you have to replace the switch every time you use the brakes? I've used DOT 5 for several decades now, and I love it. The original brake light switch in my previous TR3A (which was converted in 1985 or so) lasted a long time, but eventually failed in just the manner described. It would still work if the pressure was high enough, but the pressure required kept getting higher and higher until even a fairly hard stop would not light the brake lights. Not a Good Thing. Several replacements from various sources (including a repro switch from Moss and a Ford replacement from FLAPS) went the same way in fairly short order (less than a year for each one, some in only a few weeks). Changing to a mechanical switch solved the problem permanently. Well, almost permanently. I did have one problem where the reservoir was leaking a tiny amount, and the fluif ran down the pedal and got into the switch ... causing a similar failure in a mechanical switch! The moral seems clear, DOT 5 and switch contacts do not get along! A post-mortem on the switch showed moisture along the shaft, which felt like DOT 5, and a hard black substance on the contacts, which I now believe to be silicon from burned DOT 5. But having been pushed into it, I do rather like having brake lights that come on _before_ braking starts, rather than after. With the mechanical switch, they come on as soon as I put my foot on the pedal, instead of waiting until the pedal has moved far enough to build pressure in the system. Randall >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: tr3abobm77 at frontier.com (Triumph) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 09:20:46 -0400 Subject: [TR] Price of B. Piggott's Original TR2,3? References: <3BFE883C863649CBBA3095627336E086@home2b99dc0107> I just typed "Original Triumph TR2/3/3A" in Google and the first listing was from Amazon. They show 11 used from $299.95 and 4 new from $614.48 so there is something going on. Other sites seem to support this high price also. Bob Maassel Fort Wayne, IN 1959 TR3A tr3abobm77 at frontier.com >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: tr250driver at gmail.com (darrell floyd) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 10:48:01 -0400 Subject: [TR] Brake light woes Hey Guys, I did get a switch from Napa, the only one they had in the general area last Tuesday and put it in the 3B, the lights worked well but I carried thru with a brake bleed just to be sure. The Four improved some after a brake bleed so I just took that one to TRA. Going to put a new switch in her shortly. Yes I guess the Dot 5 is ruining the switches. The 3b switch is only a few years old. Some say the Napa switches are better? Cheers, Darrell >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: lee at automate-it.com (Lee Daniels) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 09:37:33 -0500 Subject: [TR] Price of B. Piggott's Original TR2,3? References: <3BFE883C863649CBBA3095627336E086@home2b99dc0107> I'm pretty sure that there are often items listed on eBay that are purely money laundering. There's a particular blank journal that my wife uses, usually sold for about $20, and we once found one of them listed for $16,000. Or this reference work (used in my work) that is available for about $300, here listed for $2,462.63: http://r.ebay.com/LnbgWY But $625 for Piggott's book probably isn't enough to justify anything illegal, it's more likely someone just trying to test the market. On Fri, June 13, 2014 13:29, davewillner wrote: > I was looking for some TR3 items in the UK on eBay and I came across a used > copy of Bill Piggott's "Original TR2/3/3A" offered at $625.00. Can't believe > it, how's that possible? > > Dave Willner > 59 TR3A > 70 MGB > 70 BSA 441 VS >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 14:06:24 -0500 Subject: [TR] Price of B. Piggott's Original TR2,3? References: <3BFE883C863649CBBA3095627336E086@home2b99dc0107> The real question is "is anyone buying?" There is also a used TR3 nose emblem that has been there for months at only $424.00 + shipping, no takers. >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: auprichard at uprichard.net (Andrew Uprichard) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 16:36:10 -0400 Subject: [TR] Dzus question After removing the stanchion plates from the front scuttle, I see that one of the "S"-shaped pieces (to which the Dzus bolt attaches) has snapped. I remember somewhere seeing these pieces new, but I cannot seem to find them. The guy at Moss Motors didn't even know what I was talking about. Does anyone have advice on how I could get my hands on one? As an aside, is anyone else getting frustrated with Moss? Seems that recently I have had so many issues: wrong parts sent, broken stuff, sales reps not having a clue... Were that everything worked as well as this list (Hi, Mark !) Andrew Uprichard. >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: greg at gelhar.com (greg at gelhar.com) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 19:23:05 -0400 Subject: [TR] Price of B. Piggott's Original TR2,3? References: <3BFE883C863649CBBA3095627336E086@home2b99dc0107> I have a nice copy of that book. Anyone want to give me $100 for it and flip it for a profit? Greg G. Osseo, MN >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: glemon at neb.rr.com (Greg Lemon) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 20:02:57 -0500 Subject: [TR] Price of B. Piggott's Original TR2,3? References: <3BFE883C863649CBBA3095627336E086@home2b99dc0107> Do you think people will actually pay anywhere near those asking prices for the books?, I know when I was looking the the equivalent book for the TR4-6 they were asking in the $100 or more range, I eventually found one on E-bay Canada for about $20 and pounced, but don't know if there are such bargains anymore. But I can't imagine paying that kind of money for a recently published book that retailed for less than a tenth that a few years ago even if I did have that kind of money to spend on such a book. Greg Lemon >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: dave at ranteer.com (dave n) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 22:00:12 -0500 Subject: [TR] help with identifying gaskets hi. Ibve got these gaskets that are supposed to go with my 57 TR3. http://www.ranteer.com/misc/ its been an on again, off again kind of restoration, and I was hoping someone could tell me where these go. thanks! >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 18:16:52 -0700 Subject: [TR] Brake light woes References: <20140613233738.SPGRW.11668.root@cdptpa-web27> On the subject of brake light switches... this is the mechanical switch I added on my other (non-TR) British car: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000E5DILY/ref=pe_385040_30332200_pe_309540_26725410_item I left the hydraulic switch in place (which has not failed despite my using DOT5) and added the above switch with a simple metal bracket in the footwell operated by pedal arm movement. I had no problems with the hydraulic switch but do like that the mechanical switch operates the brake lights with only the slightest pedal movement - which may happen well in advance of serious braking. Looking at the TR3A pedal box I think that same switch might fit into the hole in the front lip of the box to be actuated by the upper tip of the pedal arm (very similar to a TR4 switch). Otherwise, an interior bracket may be needed. Yeah, I know the usuals carry mechanical switches but I have heard mixed results with those (esp the white plastic version) whereas this metal version has been used by quite a few LBC owners with success. Geo On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Randall wrote: > > Of course, this is assuming the switch is new, which is an absolute must! > > So, you have to replace the switch every time you use the brakes? > > I've used DOT 5 for several decades now, and I love it. The original > brake light switch in my previous TR3A (which was converted in 1985 or so) > lasted a long time, but eventually failed in just the manner described. It > would still work if the pressure was high enough, but the pressure required > kept getting higher and higher until even a fairly hard stop would not > light the brake lights. Not a Good Thing. > > Several replacements from various sources (including a repro switch from > Moss and a Ford replacement from FLAPS) went the same way in fairly short > order (less than a year for each one, some in only a few weeks). > > Changing to a mechanical switch solved the problem permanently. Well, > almost permanently. I did have one problem where the reservoir was leaking > a tiny amount, and the fluif ran down the pedal and got into the switch ... > causing a similar failure in a mechanical switch! The moral seems clear, > DOT 5 and switch contacts do not get along! A post-mortem on the switch > showed moisture along the shaft, which felt like DOT 5, and a hard black > substance on the contacts, which I now believe to be silicon from burned > DOT 5. > > But having been pushed into it, I do rather like having brake lights that > come on _before_ braking starts, rather than after. With the mechanical > switch, they come on as soon as I put my foot on the pedal, instead of > waiting until the pedal has moved far enough to build pressure in the > system. > > Randall > >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 11:06:56 -0700 Subject: [TR] Price of B. Piggott's Original TR2,3? References: <3BFE883C863649CBBA3095627336E086@home2b99dc0107> On 6/16/14, 6:20 AM, Triumph wrote: > I just typed "Original Triumph TR2/3/3A" in Google and the first > listing was from Amazon. They show 11 used from $299.95 and 4 new from > $614.48 so there is something going on. Other sites seem to support > this high price also. > geeeezzzz Maybe I should sell my copy. TeriAnn >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex&Janet Thomson) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 07:22:12 -0400 Subject: [TR] Fw: LED instrument lights on EBAY References: <83FE11EAF59440C6A64A9A03CB797324@livingroompc> <539A320E.4020102@rmi.net> Try searching for 2062580 (I think that might be the catalog page number) or search for "rectifiers". Alex Thomson -----Original Message----- From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Roger Elliott Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 7:05 PM To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Fw: LED instrument lights on EBAY Could you repeat the Radio Shack link? I clicked on it an Radio Shack is not able to find the part. I even searched for 2062581 which I guess is the part number. Roger >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: dave1massey at cs.com (Dave) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 08:15:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [TR] help with identifying gaskets References: <428A233B85D14A38B1E29C96DC3CC6C5@Ranteer.local> Those look like the gaskets that are attached to the bottom side of the doors. There is a series of holes that accept special clips (TRF number 552901) that hold the seals in place. Note that the seal rolls up the leading edge of the door. I don't recognize the metal strip. Dave Massey 57 TR3 (and others) -----Original Message----- From: dave n To: triumphs Sent: Mon, Jun 16, 2014 11:48 pm Subject: [TR] help with identifying gaskets hi. Ibve got these gaskets that are supposed to go with my 57 TR3. http://www.ranteer.com/misc/ its been an on again, off again kind of restoration, and I was hoping someone could tell me where these go. thanks! >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 05:48:57 -0700 Subject: [TR] help with identifying gaskets References: <428A233B85D14A38B1E29C96DC3CC6C5@Ranteer.local> Possibly door seals / draft seals? See item 19 here: http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=29160&SortOrder=410 And items 40 & 42 here: http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=29156 On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 8:00 PM, dave n wrote: > hi. > > Ib ve got these gaskets that are supposed to go with my 57 TR3. > > http://www.ranteer.com/misc/ > > its been an on again, off again kind of restoration, and I was hoping > someone > could tell me where these go. > > thanks! > >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 13:13:11 +0000 Subject: [TR] help with identifying gaskets ---- dave n wrote: > hi. > > Ibve got these gaskets that are supposed to go with my 57 TR3. > > http://www.ranteer.com/misc/ > > its been an on again, off again kind of restoration, and I was hoping someone > could tell me where these go. They look to me like the water seals that go along the bottom of the doors; plus a short section where the top of the door meets the scuttle. Unfortunately, they might also be the ones that don't fit very good. The originals were somehow molded with varying density, so the section that goes into the clips on the door was much firmer than the lip that goes against the body; allowing the clip to hold while the rest of the seal crushed to fit. Many if not all of the seals available today have the firmer density all the way, so they don't crush and hold the door open slightly. Good Luck, Randall >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: tom628 at verizon.net (Tom Note) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 23:29:58 -0400 Subject: [TR] TR3 Broken Clutch Taper Pin Removal References: Way to go, Perry! Thanks for passing that on. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Perry Hammock" To: Sent: Friday, June 13, 2014 9:33 PM Subject: [TR] TR3 Broken Clutch Taper Pin Removal > Perhaps I finally have something to contribute > today after removing the transmission in my TR3A > I found the clutch fork taper pin was broken at the threads. > read up on the remedies suggested, ecch. > > I cleaned up the area, and tried to think of another way. > I got my 1/4 sheet vibrating sander, wedged the grease fitting on the > cross > shaft between the platen and the body and let it vibrate the assembly. > After about a minute or so, the pin fell out with out any other > encouragement > Bob's your Uncle! That was easy, and the beer tasted so wonderful. > > Just a suggestion next time you face the same dilemma. > > Perry Hammock > 1960 TR3A O > >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: thenicholls at verizon.net (thenicholls at verizon.net) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 16:08:27 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [TR] K&N air filters, oil, and cleaner Don't know if anyone on the list will see this, but I will send anyway. I have a set of used K&N Air filters, oil, and cleaner on Ebay. Item number 221463677155 . If anyone is interested (Financial interest), please contact me at "TheNicholls at Verizon.Net". Thanks, Craig 72 Triumph TR6 >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: wsb1960tr3a at att.net (William Brewer) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2014 19:23:32 -0700 Subject: [TR] TR3 Lip Type Crank Seal I have a Triumph Renown that leaks oil out the rear seal at the rate of about a quart every 20 miles. It is really something. I am thinking of going through the engine next winter. Moss charges about $200 for a lip type rear seal conversion kit. I see something similar on Ebay for $99. Has anyone tried one of these? Is it the same? http://www.ebay.com/itm/151290877125?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m 1423.l2649 TIA, Bill in Tehachapi >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: pethier7 at gmail.com (Philip Ethier) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 00:20:05 -0500 Subject: [TR] K&N air filters, oil, and cleaner References: <19443631.439973.1403039307084.JavaMail.root@vznit170126> I saw it. On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 4:08 PM, wrote: > Don't know if anyone on the list will see this, but I will send anyway. > > > I have a set of used K&N Air filters, oil, and cleaner on Ebay. Item > number 221463677155 . > > > If anyone is interested (Financial interest), please contact me at > "TheNicholls at Verizon.Net". > > > Thanks, > > > Craig > 72 Triumph TR6 -- pethier at comcast.net still works also Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2005 Subaru Legacy GT Limited, Regal Blue Pearl http://www.mnautox.com >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 14:28:00 -0700 Subject: [TR] Brake light woes > I left the hydraulic switch in place (which has not failed > despite my using > DOT5) and added the above switch with a simple metal bracket in the > footwell operated by pedal arm movement. FWIW, here's a shot of my bracket & switch on the TR3. http://tinyurl.com/of5qowk Someday I'll "restore" that area and clean things up a bit, this was a quick and dirty to get the car on the road in time for TRfest 2009. > Looking at the TR3A pedal box I think that same switch might > fit into the > hole in the front lip of the box to be actuated by the upper > tip of the > pedal arm (very similar to a TR4 switch). Probably not the same switch, but I found one at FLAPS that would fit in that position on my previous TR3A. However, the TR3 has pedal stops in those holes (as original), and I didn't really like having the obviously wrong switch hanging out under the hood anyway. Hence the above setup (which is invisible unless you crawl under the dash). > Yeah, I know the usuals carry mechanical switches but I have > heard mixed > results with those (esp the white plastic version) whereas this metal > version has been used by quite a few LBC owners with success. Again FWIW, the mixed metal/plastic switch shown in the above shot lasted less than 2 years from installation. I'm currently running one of the white plastic ones from TRF, and it has been working fine since 2010. Randall >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: cfmtr3a at verizon.net (Carl TR) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2014 20:26:38 -0400 Subject: [TR] List up and running? I haven't received anything in several days. Carl 1960 Triumph TR3A - TS81802LO Tampa, FL >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: creig555 at live.com (Creig Houghtaling) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 11:27:31 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR6 burning oil My friend's TR6 is consuming oil. In addition, the #5 spark plug fouls regularly and needs to be cleaned or replaced to run smoothly again. I am guessing these two issues might be related... The oil fouling the plug... If that is the case, what is the most likely route for the oil problem? >From the cylinder head? Or from the rings? Creig Creig Houghtlaing 314-401-7817 St. Louis Triumph Owners Association www.sltoa.org >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: ghaynestr4 at aol.com (George Haynes) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 21:12:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [TR] Exhaust Pieces Would John DeLuca please send me the name and address of the source for stainless TR4A exhaust pieces he purchased. Many thanks! George >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: dixie4.wales at virgin.net (ADRIAN DIX-DYER) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 10:15:06 +0100 Subject: [TR] TR6 burning oil References: In the first instance, a compression test should indicate No5 being low. If so put a small amount of oil down the plug hole and do the test on this bore again. If it rises significantly then this would confirm the piston or piston rings are at fault. IMHO if the overall compressions on all cyls are low I am afraid its a major rebuild. Adrian TR4A CT64306 O Wales UK On 22 June 2014 17:27, Creig Houghtaling wrote: > My friend's TR6 is consuming oil. In addition, the #5 spark plug fouls > regularly and needs to be cleaned or replaced to run smoothly again. I am > guessing these two issues might be related... The oil fouling the plug... > If that is the case, what is the most likely route for the oil problem? > From the cylinder head? Or from the rings? > > Creig > > Creig Houghtlaing 314-401-7817 > St. Louis Triumph Owners Association > www.sltoa.org >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: creig555 at live.com (Creig Houghtaling) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 06:50:10 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR6 burning oil References: It has been a while since we have done a compression checkb& Thatbs a good thing to check. Thanks. >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: tswhitez123 at hotmail.com (tom white) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 12:05:37 +0000 Subject: [TR] mounting trunk lid & spare tire cover gaskets.s In the past I have mounted the trunk ld gasket and spare tire cove gasket for my TR3A with adhesive. Eighteen years ago I used contact cement and the mounting was tedious and difficult. This time around I attempted to use 3M Super Strength trim adhesive. After three attempts yielding only partiel bonding results I decided to try a special plastic bonding agent I had bought for a difficult plastic bonding project. The product I used is Tech Bond. I found that I could put a few drops in the channel for the gasket and then push the gasket firmly down into the channel and get strong adhesion within second. I repaired the loose areas of the trunk lid gasket this way. Then for the spare tire cove gasket I began by cutting it to size and bonding the ends togethewr with two drops of Tech Bond. Then I placed the gasket into the channel the way it should fit and held it in place with strips of painters tape every foot or so. Then I would pull a section of the gasket out of the channel and place a few drops of Tech Bond on the gasket mounting surface. Then I would use a tongue depressor to push the gasket into the channel until it was firmly seated. I would hold the gasket in place for a few seconds and then repeat the process on another section. I had the spare tire cover gasket mounted in less than 30 minutes with no need for masking, or spraying adhesive, and no clean up. One word opf caution is do not get Teck Bond on your fingers and then touch the gasket or you will be glued to the gasket. The URL for Tech Bond is below: http://shop.tech-bond.net/Tech-Bond-Starter-Kits-for-your-repair-7001.htm Get the stater kit with the SI Blue adhesive. Also be careful about using the spray Activator as it will cause instantaneous bonding. I have no financial interest in the product. Best regards, Tom >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: dixie4.wales at virgin.net (ADRIAN DIX-DYER) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 14:10:00 +0100 Subject: [TR] TR3 Lip Type Crank Seal References: <1403144612.23053.YahooMailNeo@web180902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I would take a look at the www.tr4_racing.com web site. It contains details of a far better set up which retains the scroll, (a belt and braces set up.) The US agent is Joe Alexander, he is on the list. Adrian TR4A CT64306 O Wales UK >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 06:21:41 -0700 Subject: [TR] TR3 Lip Type Crank Seal > Moss charges about $200 for a > lip type rear > seal conversion kit. I see something similar on Ebay for $99. > Has anyone tried > one of these? Is it the same? My suggestion would be to stay far, far away from the conversion that requires the scroll to be ground off. Numerous people have reported that the result leaked worse than the original (which can be made to work quite well if you use the updated mandrel dimensions instead of those shown in the manuals). One of our local club members had to have the crank replaced after a mistake was discovered in the instructions. (The instructions I got had been changed by hand twice!) If you want a lip type seal, the 'Viton' conversion offered (only) by TRF and ARE is much better, IMO. It doesn't require the scroll to be ground off, and actually keeps the scroll seal functional; adding the lip seal as a secondary seal. The only suggested crank mod is to polish the area between the scroll and flange. Note that the kit includes a mandrel made to the corrected dimensions. (I've heard reports that the one sold by Moss is wrong.) http://tinyurl.com/pfmoqw2 Honestly, though, a quart every 20 miles seems extreme. Are you certain it is the rear main seal and not one of the plugs on the block and/or head? Is the oil level correct? Randall >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan (HP IT)) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 13:31:54 +0000 Subject: [TR] List up and running? References: <000001cf8db0$a20a2c90$e61e85b0$@verizon.net> DMARC has totally f'ed up mailing lists. We are using the Mailman utility as part of the VTR hosted service offered to affiliates for our club mailing lists and it is a mess. This may be the last straw before we just give up and move everything to Facebook. Stan >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 08:55:51 -0700 Subject: [TR] TR3 Lip Type Crank Seal References: <1403144612.23053.YahooMailNeo@web180902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Bill - I have not done this but would be wary of the kits (Moss & ebay) that require grinding the crank. Some find this works out well for them but I recall some who had problems & the 'fix' is irreversible. Instead, I believe there is an alternative that does not modify the crank or (of course) the original style seal can be renewed. Okay, a search turns up this: http://www.the-vintage-racer.com/index.php/categoryhome/engine-components/product/53-vsk-t34 Geo >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 11:36:37 -0500 Subject: [TR] Standard-Triumph Marque Day at Brooklands over the weekend The Standard Triumph Marque Day was held at Brooklands yesterday (June 22, 2014). http://www.standardmotorclub.org.uk/standard-triumph-marque-day.html Looks like it would have been fun to attend. That Dolomite tribute car would have been especially interesting. Lotsa pix here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/philip-smith/sets/72157645307413014/ >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 0:54:22 +0000 Subject: [TR] TR6 burning oil > > My friend's TR6 is consuming oil. In addition, the #5 spark plug fouls > > regularly and needs to be cleaned or replaced to run smoothly again. I am > > guessing these two issues might be related... The oil fouling the plug... > > If that is the case, what is the most likely route for the oil problem? > > From the cylinder head? Or from the rings? Unfortunately, the most likely explanation IMO is damage to the cylinder wall or piston. Might be just a broken ring, or badly worn valve guide, though. Rather than mess with a compression test (which can sometimes be misleading), I would go ahead and pull the head to check the valve. Your friend knows he has a problem, and he will need to pull the head anyway, even if the problem is rings/piston/cylinder wall. And it's worth checking the valves when the head is off even if they aren't the primary problem. Randall >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: jpaynepbr at cox.net (Jonas Payne) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 06:30:54 -0700 Subject: [TR] TR6 burning oil References: Do a leak down test on it to determine whether it's the rings or the valves. Mine was burning lots of oil too - it was the rings and the valve guides. The oil scraper rings were seriously stuck in what appeared to be a carbon-concrete. Jonas Payne PBR Consulting Services, LLC 702.882.6711 >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: dave at ranteer.com (dave n) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2014 16:12:27 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR3 interior (not tr3a) anyone who has a more or less correct tr3 b would you mind contacting me offline? I need some interior photos. thanks dave at ranteer.com >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 06:40:39 -0700 Subject: [TR] Price of B. Piggott's Original TR2,3? > But $625 for Piggott's book probably isn't enough to justify > anything illegal, > it's more likely someone just trying to test the market. Agree. I believe it was PT Barnum that said there is one born every minute. And there seem to be several book sellers that speculate in this type of book, waiting for someone to come along that just has to have one, no matter the price. Someone asked for a link: http://tinyurl.com/kdedfy6 Randall >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: italyfound at gmail.com (Italyfound) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 11:51:26 +0200 Subject: [TR] Test Is this server down? Email being rejected... Alex Manzo From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 21 06:59:25 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A39632584885 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 06:59:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp1.ctinetworks.com (smtp1.ctinetworks.com [205.166.61.208]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D53F92580468 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 06:58:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DavePC (75.97.219.115.res-cmts.sth3.ptd.net [75.97.219.115]) by smtp1.ctinetworks.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 3CF6E4804C; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 09:01:35 -0400 (EDT) From: "dave willner" To: , References: <002501cfd4d8$7edde710$7c99b530$@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 09:01:38 -0400 Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 rear seat back question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Carl, The top of my interior tank panel (post 60,000), at the bend, fits snuggly just under the rear capping, I have to push down and slightly bend it a little but it tends to fit nicely under the capping with no gaps. I have the loop pile carpeting with no insulation or padding. There should also be 6 or so tabs that its supposed to "slide" into to kind of keep in it place. Not sure where you got the panel, but maybe try bending it while pushing it under and if that doesn't work you may want to trim a bit off the bottom, sounds like youbre an inch or so too high? My bows do not fit under the capping, they rest of the sloped edge of the panel Dave Willner Stroudsburg, PA 59 TR3A BRG 70 MGB BRG 70 BSA 441 VS -----Original Message----- From: Carl TR Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 9:40 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR3 rear seat back question Good morning all. (I am resending with the correct subject - sorry) I was finally getting around to installing the top bows on my TR3 project. The examples I pulled from the web show that the rear seat back stops anywhere between about 2-2 1/2" to 3/4-1" below the top of the rear capping piece. Mine is almost flush with it. It is possible that the two layers of heat/sound insulation and the carpet could account for some of the extra height but not all. 1) what would be the correct distance? It would make sense if it is in the 2" range so that the top bows could nestle down below the capping. But that would be a lot of trimming on the back piece. 2) what is the distance from the front of the flat platform (post 60000 body) to the location of the base of the back piece? The optional rear seat has a 12" base/13" cushion (I think the extra is mostly at the back. 3) what is the approximate angle that the seat back bends at the top (mine is only about 10d) and the pictures I have appear to be closer to 75-80d. Thanks Carl 1960 Triumph TR3A - TS81802LO http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ (unfortunately Verizon is closing down the mysite URLs at the end of this year - I need to find an inexpensive web location and move/rebuild my pages) Tampa, FL ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cfmtr3a@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/davewillner@pa.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 21 08:25:57 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71D1A258071F for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 08:25:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ig0-f181.google.com (mail-ig0-f181.google.com [209.85.213.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEA162580468 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 08:24:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ig0-f181.google.com with SMTP id h18so1430932igc.2 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 07:27:27 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :thread-index:content-language; bh=2w0mODqFTSWsOr3xznfpFvjIk5FxKg/S8M5n5BuaW40=; b=fTv6iH/62DKg5dyA1DK0iHbjlD7h54YDITTzShyk8iA7ImGA4PSdAth+3hyIoWKkst C0evHh9JBXHMuLmzlXkVoR8j72Wwo9OR90skJjsEyLrWux++PDRd5303u56kuYPO3iMq SoWxwtEftpwcIkoskD5cBxxRe9qFf4TCgWy4rPPBcL//PKNCpbT5jxVuburwfoXG92XE kLFtK59N+G5WwmhSf21m8zIwD32bp8p/IMzZeOM+1SZSWrvqqtz2xJfo5koKNhZqwY8i bVkf1f4TUMhhzjKQhxJGTwZAis8UUpitkfMvI3KvhDVEMrEncVfiUQRYRSMUbF51PV7y AnTw== yr7mr8598579igb.37.1411309646723; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 07:27:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Home (c-98-223-25-190.hsd1.in.comcast.net. [98.223.25.190]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id uf4sm6551217igc.0.2014.09.21.07.27.24 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 21 Sep 2014 07:27:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "Will Daehler" To: Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 10:27:23 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac/Vp+MZabn9Q8AQR7K6P+6/1JkGTg== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] TR4 Heat Shield success, Throttle Lingage, Accelerator Return spring Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net OK, so earlier I had posted to The List a plea for help. My inability to consistently restart my engine when it was hot. This was on the eve of VTR2014, and was on the verge of cancelling to avoid embarissment. Well I bought the A.R.E. heat shield, and installed it. No issues there, that was simple enough, and then had 100% re-starting success at the convention. Yes! Yes! Cured! When completing the installation and reconnecting the throttle linkage, I started PERCEIVING for the first time how the throttle linkage was supposed to work. I stared at it, and played with it while the engine was running. Two things were evidently wrong. Ever since I had installed new engine mounts and shimmed them up a bit too, my lack of accelerator pedal travel was curtailing my top RPM. The engine was now tilted back ever so slightly, making the distance shorter to the firewall where the accelerator rod (behind the battery) is mounted and pivots. So there were three places to correct for this on the threaded portions of the various link rods and lock nuts. In just five minutes I was able to drastically increase my top RPM and vehicle speed . Not bad! The next observation was that my persistent high and quite random idle had something to do with the lack of return force on the linkages. Fast forward, five days, while peering at the engine compartments at the VTR Concours event, oh my god, I'm missing the Accelerator Return spring! For ten damn years too! Brad Kahler was there at the show, had an extra one, NIB, and gave it to me. Thank you! When I got it on, it was like a third miracle in the same week. My car starts anytime, goes like stink, and finally idles politely at a stoplight. Will Daehler 63 TR4 Powder Blue ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 21 09:42:39 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EA0B258486D for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 09:42:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f53.google.com (mail-pa0-f53.google.com [209.85.220.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1A3F2580B32 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 09:42:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f53.google.com with SMTP id hz1so2946324pad.26 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 08:45:28 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=QcR0sI+1LfR+nWFEvHfpl0NID1Ek4aaAgxY5zQiSS/8=; b=Voax2PJmzaxtiO267w2BffPWnHvIOkIiQsWJsnWFjbiHA8GiE8Gul57lJsjz3bJSHM 24RDe8PXBIneN9f3Bv67t0bbTEx873StuigdKB8P3MjQFdsf8bU577d/d5TAjVpPEjN1 5Ggeaqiy3KLnvguGKgOQ71WhdeWNyQUsyatVmwRQlALNhM2twDWhsc1g/Y5C9UUfRGFn 0XStbaPPA6wFnIj9lkB2kF0p2gufJJUTJEToccCsgCR5m6nW62wbJoIUzXDs/8uEq332 M8FOdxUEeM+QKD+L9rHL7w/YnKYMDTcpp/ealuHU3GN7HLe2Ie0KQV9DFz7kzFo4AHsZ pg8w== d15mr20838978pdj.48.1411314328731; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 08:45:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.64.198 with HTTP; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 08:45:28 -0700 (PDT) References: <005e01cfd5a8$2a306370$7e912a50$@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 11:45:28 -0400 From: Brad Kahler To: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Heat Shield success, Throttle Lingage, Accelerator Return spring Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Will, Glad the spring helped out! It's always nice to put faces to names from the list. Of course with my memory being as bad as it is we'll be able to do the same thing at the next convention! Brad On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Will Daehler wrote: > OK, so earlier I had posted to The List a plea for help. My inability to > consistently restart my engine when it was hot. This was on the eve of > VTR2014, and was on the verge of cancelling to avoid embarissment. > > Well I bought the A.R.E. heat shield, and installed it. No issues there, > that was simple enough, and then had 100% re-starting success at the > convention. Yes! Yes! Cured! > > When completing the installation and reconnecting the throttle linkage, I > started PERCEIVING for the first time how the throttle linkage was supposed > to work. I stared at it, and played with it while the engine was running. > Two things were evidently wrong. > > Ever since I had installed new engine mounts and shimmed them up a bit too, > my lack of accelerator pedal travel was curtailing my top RPM. The engine > was now tilted back ever so slightly, making the distance shorter to the > firewall where the accelerator rod (behind the battery) is mounted and > pivots. So there were three places to correct for this on the threaded > portions of the various link rods and lock nuts. In just five minutes I was > able to drastically increase my top RPM and vehicle speed . Not bad! > > The next observation was that my persistent high and quite random idle had > something to do with the lack of return force on the linkages. Fast > forward, > five days, while peering at the engine compartments at the VTR Concours > event, oh my god, I'm missing the Accelerator Return spring! For ten damn > years too! > > Brad Kahler was there at the show, had an extra one, NIB, and gave it to > me. > Thank you! When I got it on, it was like a third miracle in the same week. > > My car starts anytime, goes like stink, and finally idles politely at a > stoplight. > > > > Will Daehler > > 63 TR4 Powder Blue > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/bkahler1@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 21 09:50:48 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A334258487D for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 09:50:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f176.google.com (mail-pd0-f176.google.com [209.85.192.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BC1C258051C for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 09:50:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f176.google.com with SMTP id z10so1586189pdj.7 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 08:53:20 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=03/uTbgeGDVa9sGzso6jFk4b1z+Ga3uhfIb1ke7o/44=; b=0OHM7CJ+MSy9uRATMsZQq3KWs0ufXJ4q75cFKmr5BLV8inWwLixvSziL7Q3hYa8oms z6AlErwcW6E4YoTl22gmEys8RyFXPDxT9fXlik1ECcE2J63mnqnrMWz5aXbwRT5DfDD8 pkI7Hxfy/Y1NOWSQz4SXnHqMh8CkQTPDyYEAveHdD+S4WEb/cv13vmDjjHVm2lQjlmxp bxjkTMTxfa+AAuJ+46qDso55X31Hr05AI8/p0yD/b1h8yXVjzyrJYSC/8gqVVxukTQHp Y8aLk5nqS15sVfzdnM4yUS8vp1H96HFl46zG3YbEb4ISrAv6gyjnsvyxHYkRKY7lJ64p 7i1w== pu7mr18144839pbc.22.1411314800013; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 08:53:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.64.198 with HTTP; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 08:53:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 11:53:19 -0400 From: Brad Kahler To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] TR4 light & badge bar Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net So why is it the only light & badge bar I can find for a TR4 is from RevingtonTR and it's not cheap even without shipping added in? I've been googling light & badge bars for TR4s and found several examples but only RevingtonTR actually seems to sell them. Any suggestions? Thanks! Brad ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 21 09:59:53 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D36A12584884 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 09:59:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa06-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.103]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CAB5258051C for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 09:59:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([71.210.229.165]) by p3plsmtpa06-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id ts2K1o00m3alfWF01s2L1u; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 09:02:20 -0700 Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 10:01:54 -0600 From: David Porter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: Brad Kahler , Triumphs References: Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 light & badge bar Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net What makes them special? dave On 9/21/2014 9:53 AM, Brad Kahler wrote: > So why is it the only light & badge bar I can find for a TR4 is from > RevingtonTR and it's not cheap even without shipping added in? > > I've been googling light & badge bars for TR4s and found several examples > but only RevingtonTR actually seems to sell them. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks! > > Brad > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/frogeye@porterscustom.com > > -- Dave Porter Porter Custom Bicycles 2909 Arno St. NE Albuquerque, NM 87107 505-352-1378 Go HERE: my world www.porterbikes.com/ ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 21 10:02:27 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 549D6258485E for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 10:02:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f48.google.com (mail-pa0-f48.google.com [209.85.220.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E89D1258051C for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 10:02:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f48.google.com with SMTP id ey11so3393910pad.7 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 09:04:59 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=j1YWIRVXMWsZJ96mx//VlWEdD2h6UQiEBL6fHVWj90M=; b=VuxAlUdWajgtEVVXl+a6D8Gi5rs1Xii2GCLuN/Pvo9l+37EE32FDPsgddQAWVHEN+O U9MBbLm1TzDNYGH9fsQU84ChEK5Ij93ouqQqn1CkwyJlItYbFQMg/ox+hftUOAlL+akH f50x6nZ1R2Ij1dbB3Uv5lxWRTOE+p4VWZ72b7/bfg6Th7YFtgkVA5sTeLLH9/F6AayUD T2irbds4N1lE8uimhnetyLSSBhk/6hbZaSBP7i353hG/M3IMxU5LeNayLdgp8NWGfmAO AztNS5h/jadRMFLYVxjd8zVIgnSniMS6CHkQuNrzkA4OpUQOfUqYBOsnl/MIgnO7Yqt2 xjqw== c4mr16538573pdg.107.1411315499762; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 09:04:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.64.198 with HTTP; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 09:04:59 -0700 (PDT) References: <541EF672.7030209@porterscustom.com> Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 12:04:59 -0400 From: Brad Kahler To: David Porter Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 light & badge bar Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I wish I knew the answer to that. Maybe there isn't a large enough market for them. On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 12:01 PM, David Porter wrote: > What makes them special? > dave > On 9/21/2014 9:53 AM, Brad Kahler wrote: > >> So why is it the only light & badge bar I can find for a TR4 is from >> RevingtonTR and it's not cheap even without shipping added in? >> >> I've been googling light & badge bars for TR4s and found several examples >> but only RevingtonTR actually seems to sell them. >> >> Any suggestions? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Brad >> >> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/ >> options/triumphs/frogeye@porterscustom.com >> >> >> > -- > Dave Porter Porter Custom Bicycles 2909 Arno St. NE Albuquerque, NM 87107 > 505-352-1378 Go HERE: my world www.porterbikes.com/ ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 21 11:26:40 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 668C6258486F for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 11:26:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from dnvrco-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0607C2580B32 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 11:24:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [67.249.131.108] ([67.249.131.108:34807] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by dnvrco-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 08/43-08316-06A0F145; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 17:26:57 +0000 Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 13:27:01 -0400 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.1 To: Brad Kahler References: <541EF672.7030209@porterscustom.com> a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:117 a=nXQKLQ0v+ANWqi+PIAtHAA==:17 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=dZRF51mswLUA:10 a=SZku_qZYbv0A:10 a=pmChUlOQEosA:10 a=uYRmwVSfly8A:10 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=f8qcBMrUAAAA:8 a=vD42nPPXufYFkDaKo5AA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 light & badge bar Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Brad, I made one for my 4 by cutting a bar off an old luggage rack I had that was no use as a rack anymore. I attached it to the bumper by 2 vertical metal bars attached where the licence plate attaches. I then made to additional bars that sort of clamp to the rear of the bumper to give it some stability. I mounted a driving and fog light + the autox badge bar. Looks nice. I did a similar setup to both my 3 and 6 but on the 3, I was able to attach the bar to the rear over-rider supports. On the 6, the bar is below the bumper using 2 holes in the bottom of the bumper for brackets. Bob ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 21 13:27:16 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E50FF25848F9 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 13:27:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A8C525807E9 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 13:24:48 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge01 smtp.user=dmericas@austin.rr.com; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [69.21.2.140] ([69.21.2.140:65190] helo=[10.32.153.124]) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id C2/79-16443-0B62F145; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 19:27:45 +0000 Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 14:27:43 -0500 From: Dean Mericas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 7, Issue 271 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 22 08:09:24 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E1042584A07 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 08:09:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f54.google.com (mail-pa0-f54.google.com [209.85.220.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F77C2584A00 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 08:08:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f54.google.com with SMTP id fb1so4607013pad.41 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 07:11:39 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=V0dWf34KY/jE0Z67g9Wiw1jfPKRaVa8f3EIiu2DdO5Q=; b=Rum6DTit+Wx/4Ah1BMV5Dg1omtOKQhzMaLbncqQscyaJxba3UkGTtN0GS1d+xjLDNI KhvsEbVILmlL+H6s6m/mZm7FQvBADpaZNTr+UHrBRfOcytNtdhs+aQ99TZPdoP5MOfMz /m3TqsD8I40M00INB9n8JX8md1lbuss+UEl13GPoJy/lD0+38Fy23N8f/5siSX+Kp+5y nSyPjCe5gOWN/GPNTMq9tinQnG16W6+YcnuaKvpSZNk6yQ7TFf72n8Xx9HEUXWsgXuEu aQVRS9UKvuhuCE2uzn5G8Mpfiha6Fzoy5J1xDYXJfNeVPQ4Jg8U/WfF3dxI904+3BcfA Xqow== d15mr30163007pdj.48.1411395099536; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 07:11:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.64.198 with HTTP; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 07:11:39 -0700 (PDT) References: <541EF672.7030209@porterscustom.com> <541F0A65.6010505@adelphia.net> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 10:11:39 -0400 From: Brad Kahler To: Bob Labuz Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 light & badge bar Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Bob, Interesting idea! I don't currently have any unused unwanted luggage racks but it's something to consider if all else fails. Brad On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 1:27 PM, Bob Labuz wrote: > Brad, > > I made one for my 4 by cutting a bar off an old luggage rack I had that > was no use as a rack anymore. I attached it to the bumper by 2 vertical > metal bars attached where the licence plate attaches. I then made to > additional bars that sort of clamp to the rear of the bumper to give it > some stability. I mounted a driving and fog light + the autox badge bar. > Looks nice. > > I did a similar setup to both my 3 and 6 but on the 3, I was able to > attach the bar to the rear over-rider supports. On the 6, the bar is below > the bumper using 2 holes in the bottom of the bumper for brackets. > > Bob ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 22 12:33:57 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94F59258093C for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 12:33:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 407D62580934 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 12:33:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [24.227.234.126] ([24.227.234.126:52218] helo=[10.13.1.3]) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id B0/4F-27269-C3C60245; Mon, 22 Sep 2014 18:36:44 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 13:36:44 -0500 From: Dean Mericas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 7, Issue 271 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 23 06:17:34 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F739258443C for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 06:17:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173015pub.verizon.net (vms173015pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.15]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D85E125807CE for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 06:17:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vznit170126pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.60]) by vms173015.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0NCC00J92SXVQ490@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 07:20:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 70.208.144.80 ([70.208.144.80]) by vznit170126 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 07:20:19 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 07:20:19 -0500 (CDT) From: thenicholls@verizon.net To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Source for drain plug Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I am looking for a source for the brass drain plug for the gearbox and rear differential for a 72 TR6. The square head plugs being sold are a pain. The brass one sits smooth and you use an Allen wrench as for removal. Thanks, Craig 72 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 23 06:23:42 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1472425844B4 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 06:23:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm30-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm30-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.126]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DA3725807CE for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 06:23:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.139.215.142] by nm30.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2014 12:26:33 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.230] by tm13.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2014 12:26:33 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1039.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2014 12:26:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 73550 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Sep 2014 12:26:33 -0000 s=s1024; t=1411475193; bh=v/s2WBpuKy6jg/NL4WKBxoSmqjhdkVn+4fX0FY10IIQ=; h=References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Y9ZX57vdVxwvPW8e17ZlTbND7HnBY+957ygHG0TSUAC1rAMmgTG78Rcv7DsNj44jrGV45ajTefn0vKu08AjQ48fyoJIWnI0c+VtgDFtyABkPixwsg59pxI6aVMJUTrgOTUV5kL3bnV2F1V7Kv9lZrB8BAFxg69CZdIesEzs1Rp4= 4n5bf_8B_jdzrZrr2e.dq4FzXowfiUdW3AZwpPUEPzDcSI2IQP7biHGqiK4P UvZGTgCe4gGXJsqsecUip5xVzUdY6ZajNYiOJ0bzhFYG_SPF7FGNh40oHEcA n.5Zf95rlvamCnfM7RLiOOBDWkw4GLltG5CvOCaSrrTwEBSjHICwlGEe.VpW mHbIiMI__0PhFqoS0kRHnuulw6m10ttwLy3fm34cHn99s5CxlxdnX0TE_gXf 5IahLr1q21fpl7APoexPqeaUTc3sASfJoeCOJ0jJnqZTB31Dzy9hms4N2NR6 Dgv14pMoNucSAG9KG6ZE_19K1rXdsF45RLUfNHsll.yuYrVZ0WDt7SbSZ7KH ddKdatmg3.GprkwgDce2g.p6skYI8ARZJosT0X7pMTHGajOa2GkVJZWZjKEn fG9luZ_rxao5n7aRD.qmUdhScITuhjoKBjwPe54roOLREuvu3ON1ohTjTaaz r3BgNsslzwrKBA12dd81477MLDEe4Irtwd2BM.ZRg3HwSwavjFpwOHiM9s52 D2Z.1JGvn.cWdU7ne_VlyHDrDKEoBZ5W8vt0LEOoTmdNc1Nq1ILwgug5IRpS p5Ip..ZcyieHJ0DPluuwmmm4CL4uZfqs0fNt.9yjNM9_vlg-- Received: from [40.141.127.54] by web142702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 05:26:33 PDT SGVyZSBpcyBvbmUgc291cmNlOiAgV1AxMTQ1ODcgQ291bnRlcnNpbmsgUGx1ZyAtIEdyYWluZ2VyIEluZHVzdHJpYWwgU3VwcGx5Ck5vbmUgb2YgbXkgVFIncyBoYXZlIGJyYXNzIHBsdWdzLCB0aG91Z2guCgogCiAgCiAKIAogCiAKIApXUDExNDU4NyBDb3VudGVyc2luayBQbHVnIC0gR3JhaW5nZXIgSW5kdXN0cmlhbCBTdXBwbHkKU2hvcCBHUkFJTkdFUiBBUFBST1ZFRCBWRU5ET1IgQ291bnRlcnNpbmsgUGx1ZyAoV1AxMTQ1ODcpIGF0IEdyYWluZ2VyLiBGYXN0ICYgY29udmVuaWVudCBmb3IgdGhlIG9uZXMBMAEBAQE- References: <30529432.9494.1411474819102.JavaMail.root@vznit170126> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 05:26:33 -0700 From: Chad To: "thenicholls@verizon.net" , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Source for drain plug Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Here is one source: WP114587 Countersink Plug - Grainger Industrial Supply None of my TR's have brass plugs, though. WP114587 Countersink Plug - Grainger Industrial Supply Shop GRAINGER APPROVED VENDOR Countersink Plug (WP114587) at Grainger. Fast & convenient for the ones who get it done! View on www.grainger.com Preview by Yahoo Chad in Tulsa. On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 7:21 AM, "thenicholls@verizon.net" wrote: I am looking for a source for the brass drain plug for the gearbox and rear differential for a 72 TR6. The square head plugs being sold are a pain. The brass one sits smooth and you use an Allen wrench as for removal. Thanks, Craig 72 TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 23 06:32:19 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D38825844E4 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 06:32:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.230]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1954258065E for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 06:32:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55005] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 6C/44-11357-EF861245; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 12:35:11 +0000 From: "Randall" To: , Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 05:35:07 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac/XKMH4d2eX7Lj4Q/m4/5QUUFt3DwAAOKMQ Subject: Re: [TR] Source for drain plug Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I am looking for a source for the brass drain plug for the > gearbox and rear differential for a 72 TR6. > > The square head plugs being sold are a pain. The brass one > sits smooth and you use an Allen wrench as for removal. The gearbox plug is just ordinary NPT pipe threads, so any plumbing supply should have them. I forget the size offhand, probably 3/8". I get mine at MMC http://tinyurl.com/pk4rcu4 But I prefer the steel magnetic ones rather than brass. I don't believe the diff on a 72 TR6 originally had a drain plug, so you may need to investigate what was added. I don't know why anyone wouldn't use the same as the gearbox, but it's a possibility. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 23 06:37:11 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EEFD2584522 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 06:37:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173013pub.verizon.net (vms173013pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 078D12584554 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 06:36:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vznit170182pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.60]) by vms173013.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0NCC009OUTUDSM70@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 07:39:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 70.208.144.80 ([70.208.144.80]) by vznit170182 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 07:39:49 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 07:39:49 -0500 (CDT) From: thenicholls@verizon.net To: TR3driver@ca.rr.com, triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Source for drain plug Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The rear diff is the fill whole, my bad. My TR is a one owner car. The brass plugs were in both. The square head fits the gear box but not the differential. Don't know why, I know they are the same, but now the square head in the gear box will not come off. My local Jiffy Lube is nice enough that the let me pull in there once a year and top off for free. Even they could not get the square head out,, and I sure did not want to snap it off. Thanks, Craig On 09/23/14, Randall wrote: > I am looking for a source for the brass drain plug for the > gearbox and rear differential for a 72 TR6. > > The square head plugs being sold are a pain. The brass one > sits smooth and you use an Allen wrench as for removal. The gearbox plug is just ordinary NPT pipe threads, so any plumbing supply should have them. I forget the size offhand, probably 3/8". I get mine at MMC http://tinyurl.com/pk4rcu4 But I prefer the steel magnetic ones rather than brass. I don't believe the diff on a 72 TR6 originally had a drain plug, so you may need to investigate what was added. I don't know why anyone wouldn't use the same as the gearbox, but it's a possibility. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 23 07:00:18 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA90C25845B9 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 07:00:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 647B225805EB for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 06:59:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55005] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id A5/24-18859-57F61245; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 13:02:45 +0000 From: "Randall" To: Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 06:02:42 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac/XK3aTus2sBRICQ0O2cA6Z2wISDQAAUKYw Subject: Re: [TR] Source for drain plug Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > My TR is a one owner car. The brass plugs were in both. The > square head fits the gear box but not the differential. That is strange, they were originally the same part number. Perhaps the threads got damaged and someone recut them? > Don't know why, I know they are the same, but now the square > head in the gear box will not come off. Try getting the gearbox good and hot first. Nice long drive, or even heat it with a torch (being careful not to get too hot of course, don't want a fire). The aluminum housing expands faster than the steel plug, so the heat tends to loosen the plug. I suspect that is how they get so stuck, the expansion causes the plug to drip and so someone retightens it hot. Some PTFE (teflon) paste should help it seal without being so tight, and make it easier to remove next time. > My local Jiffy Lube is nice enough that the let me pull in > there once a year and top off for free. Even they could not > get the square head out,, and I sure did not want to snap it off. Sometimes, ya gotta do what ya gotta do. I've often thought it was going to twist off, but so far I've been lucky. 8 point socket and a big breaker bar. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 23 10:44:47 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0483A258457F for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 10:44:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f175.google.com (mail-vc0-f175.google.com [209.85.220.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DAC22580582 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 10:43:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f175.google.com with SMTP id hq11so5486062vcb.6 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 09:46:51 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=fPgn8drfmVC8TWZTc/gEd6cxhVLLsec2KoS6TKXYs08=; b=y0OagixDy0v4HbIsVcBVPYCmVSaQ6vSNGRJ4ShDOxAygWP23SegAFspujKEF4h0wqx Ar/7EgSpE5s10MF5CGNqAus9h4o7mz07IJQXBLPChU0vzAphTTqO1s2OdFZKaZdv1Kvw CnQCG88xwJiTTHAQnAr77OrsuIpB7LI2Vm+bKZlCf9MktMJcoEzLU6chIrjCk2IojPab sS4CoX1TuZCh9wQSxx2og8qr9i5Gnd72BvO5zUisLTTjcX66nvh6IdDmBbz7rmRTjBDt dT6pUSrM0aQ6+n0Nws60ALjzHcgADC8+XofNaf7b7XwFj/lQ2CUzwkXPa8aFmScp52d5 H6WA== Tue, 23 Sep 2014 09:46:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.90.3 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 09:46:51 -0700 (PDT) References: <30529432.9494.1411474819102.JavaMail.root@vznit170126> <6C.44.11357.EF861245@cdptpa-oedge03> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 09:46:51 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: thenicholls@verizon.net, Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Source for drain plug Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 5:35 AM, Randall wrote: > But I prefer the steel magnetic ones rather than brass. > Me too, except the magnets in the ones I got from Moss were pretty wimpy. I dug them out and replaced them with rare earth button magnets (JBWeld). I have seen a TR3A gearbox that had a broken tooth floating around in it until one day the tooth got caught in the gears. They found many of the pieces along the road including the gear that had originally lost a tooth - it was an old break. They never did find the driveshaft from that car. My hope is that, in the unlikely event of a tooth breaking off, that magnet would be enough to hold it out of harm's way. I have also seen a TR6 with a drain plug added that was noticeably smaller than the fill plug or gear box drain plug. Geo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 23 13:23:53 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9A9D258455F for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 13:23:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from SNT004-OMC3S20.hotmail.com (snt004-omc3s20.hotmail.com [65.55.90.159]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94FDE25807A2 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2014 13:23:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT149-W75 ([65.55.90.136]) by SNT004-OMC3S20.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22724); Tue, 23 Sep 2014 12:26:14 -0700 From: ED To: Brad Kahler , Triumphs Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 15:26:13 -0400 References: FILETIME=[3D3CF420:01CFD764] Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 light & badge bar Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Try Triple-C Motor Accessories, Phone 888-854-4081 ED 73 TR6 > Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 11:53:19 -0400 > From: bkahler1@gmail.com > To: Triumphs@autox.team.net > Subject: [TR] TR4 light & badge bar > > So why is it the only light & badge bar I can find for a TR4 is from > RevingtonTR and it's not cheap even without shipping added in? > > I've been googling light & badge bars for TR4s and found several examples > but only RevingtonTR actually seems to sell them. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks! > > Brad > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/emorat1@hotmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 24 07:49:53 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBC1025845C4 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 07:49:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f177.google.com (mail-pd0-f177.google.com [209.85.192.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56CF525807F5 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 07:49:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f177.google.com with SMTP id v10so6868342pde.36 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 06:52:42 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=/OL9mOwwFecHrEKfDqZNmorWV66hvX79F/ZqVJjO5ck=; b=O+I65DHqu1OT/vtGQ84X1OOenyWDNlUEqMX2TxcVY/jUtNR6gQsp0EurAc3F4Bz5b5 oNxXuS7o7RCsTBnjCJufPsvmp9yPlQDM12svxQUZhRReqVArZzGFpbILzBZsfI2Bk05X 0SWBKUBnuSKSlahSBSBbIKq0eaHz7JWh25MDJoz25PmK3yDJzQSVsLie5mRSOhX/rzG8 ZUGJRzcXaiAyLRVstFJm0l5K+QODAWQXF2M6f/hiGv8UrQ8oC7AdiaecwNLtIYtSipFB ckYZupGoSrGsei+hkdtDVHKvfUOF6VOwNeXexF+tMSLBEwEsRbVEu2DaiEsA4l7pwAss iA8Q== bx2mr9339921pab.39.1411566762122; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 06:52:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.64.198 with HTTP; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 06:52:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 09:52:42 -0400 From: Brad Kahler To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] TR4 radiator shrouds Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net While looking at the TRs on the show field at the VTR convention I couldn't help but notice that the TR4s and 4As (maybe even 250s) seemed to be about the only models that had a shroud that was wider in the back than the width of the radiator allowing air to flow past the sides of the radiator. The later cars seemed to have shrouds that funneled down to the width of the radiator forcing all of the air through the radiator. Anyone know why Triumph didn't do the same thing for the TR4s and 4As? >From my perspective it would seem to make more sense for all of the airflow to be forced through the radiator. I looked at the shrouds on Richard Good's site and it appears his TR4 shroud fits the same way as the stock one in that air is allowed to escape around the sides of the radiator. Anyone know of a source for a shroud that doesn't allow air to flow around the sides of the radiator on a TR4? Thanks! Brad ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 24 07:52:14 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6A7D258465F for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 07:52:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f53.google.com (mail-pa0-f53.google.com [209.85.220.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD6872580863 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 07:51:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f53.google.com with SMTP id hz1so8587790pad.26 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 06:54:48 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=3L0kLA8llU2d56vZ4jz/N56xywQoT57BOAsO6x+YT0g=; b=ID/pn3otzV6l1ZA15MwbTjqpgFAPQF1LM+OZFmSDZIA1BifwhEQeMypaGecSg6YN7/ V/7+qWAimCAbrl2gQrLqIkS7r438XpIfBIOToe4+smv1clRAg49uwfdBV2bJPwv0l3QG hw6LDPfPEMd2wMmPj/HPP3t9nglKwRXwlz0GYhRUq28i71dFleGnM3+mbkHjsZ7GKXcx 8NLIBtxY12r4NA/8060ils0RjFguD97tUsTBVlEozlZl7SjnMRHk+wyPLLWkAnUt/Afu K5ZkYbcMZkjc6+ufW03tJ22lND8uEajcu3as5pRHKeSDW04gQYQrwofZVc6q6etMD5Tk HBhw== d15mr12778936pdj.48.1411566888709; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 06:54:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.64.198 with HTTP; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 06:54:48 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 09:54:48 -0400 From: Brad Kahler To: ED Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 light & badge bar Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Ed, Chad sent the link for Triple C earlier and I've been looking at how their bars are mounted. I'm not sure the angle of the stanchions or uprights would work very well on a TR4 bumper. If someone has one of the Triple C bars mounted on their car I'd like to see pictures of it. Brad On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 3:26 PM, ED wrote: > Try Triple-C Motor Accessories, Phone 888-854-4081 > > ED > 73 TR6 > > > > > Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 11:53:19 -0400 > > From: bkahler1@gmail.com > > To: Triumphs@autox.team.net > > Subject: [TR] TR4 light & badge bar > > > > So why is it the only light & badge bar I can find for a TR4 is from > > RevingtonTR and it's not cheap even without shipping added in? > > > > I've been googling light & badge bars for TR4s and found several examples > > but only RevingtonTR actually seems to sell them. > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > Thanks! > > > > Brad > > > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/emorat1@hotmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 24 08:17:41 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F44B2584D72 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 08:17:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m07.mx.aol.com (omr-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E8932580863 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 08:17:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaout-mba01.mx.aol.com (mtaout-mba01.mx.aol.com [172.26.133.109]) by omr-m07.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 55F1F7003544E; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 10:20:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.157.122.167] (mobile-166-147-096-104.mycingular.net [166.147.96.104]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-mba01.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id CBB4E38000081; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 10:20:06 -0400 (EDT) References: From: Thomas Beaver Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 10:20:04 -0400 To: Brad Kahler x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20140625; t=1411568407; bh=dYD3IkPAIFLdfrIseESYczbBXgljrr2mkP+v11xTBDM=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=UDgB88o3Q4wzTh5W2Kz/oyY8KqX3O72WEtNWLa0uNlduEVgv8LODt/bjNwZ3zTUYG zTnPGxLmfPlJlwNwF+TSKB/BBHW4g+fMsDnImEBj5Rf99EG8U2gfI/RIcTkFlpyo9I qni/2BlUrQRXQNR5O7g2/g0IaWasTq1KQqlUTMt4= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1a856d5422d3167943 Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 light & badge bar Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Brad We use the AMCO bumper bar on the 250 to mount badges. The bar diameter is large so had to source larger than usual clips. Not an easy item to find but FYI. Tom Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 21, 2014, at 11:53 AM, Brad Kahler wrote: > > So why is it the only light & badge bar I can find for a TR4 is from > RevingtonTR and it's not cheap even without shipping added in? > > I've been googling light & badge bars for TR4s and found several examples > but only RevingtonTR actually seems to sell them. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks! > > Brad > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tbe749@aol.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 24 08:39:44 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78D502584D80 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 08:39:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bc600b.its.queensu.ca (bc600b.its.queensu.ca [130.15.126.72]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BB6D258444B for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 08:39:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from MP-DUP-HTS-02.AD.QUEENSU.CA (S27.N12.queensu.ca [130.15.12.27]) by bc600b.its.queensu.ca with ESMTP id vyVmjwr1JzbvKVid; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 10:42:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MP-DUP-MBX-02.AD.QUEENSU.CA ([169.254.2.39]) by MP-DUP-HTS-02.AD.QUEENSU.CA ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 10:41:52 -0400 From: Brian Thomas To: Brad Kahler , Triumphs Thread-Topic: [TR] TR4 radiator shrouds Thread-Index: AQHP1/7jSBayiYYfV06PKGor3KDU05wQV+KA Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 14:41:51 +0000 References: Accept-Language: en-CA, en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [69.7.251.14] TAG_LEVEL=1000.0 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=1000.0 KILL_LEVEL=6.0 tests=BSF_RULE7568M breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.50 BSF_RULE7568M Custom Rule 7568M Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 radiator shrouds Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Brad, I recently installed the GoodParts shrowd on our TR4A replacing two previous cardboard versions that quickly became mis-shaped after getting damp. ... and it's hard to dive in the rain without this happening! I don't understand what you mean be wider at the back as the shrowd sits slightly inboard of the radiator sides. I can send pics if you're curious. Regarding installation of the GoodParts shrowd, I was initially concerned about the top piece being straight where it meets the front of the car which is V-shaped. I asked the list if this was a common problem and also emailed back and forth with Richard Good. Nobody had experienced a problem so I decided to go ahead and live with a slight gap in the middle at the front (which was present with both the cardboard products). My thought was the wiring harness would hide this anyway. Turned out NOT to be a problem as the mid-position body mounting point is higher than the outside points and this results in a perfect fit to the V-shaped body panel. Richard's product looks really "good"! Cheers, Brian _______________________________________________________________________ Brian Thomas E-mail: ThomasB@QueensU.Ca 92 Wyona Lane, R R 1 Phone: 613-385-1947 Wolfe Island, Ontario Toys: 54 TR2, 56 TR3, 67 TR4A, 01 XKR, 75 John Deere 920 CANADA K0H 2Y0 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 24 09:04:20 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50B0C2584D8B for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 09:04:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bc600c.its.queensu.ca (bc600c.its.queensu.ca [130.15.122.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 052442584694 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 09:04:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from MP-DUP-HTS-01.AD.QUEENSU.CA (S26.N12.queensu.ca [130.15.12.26]) by bc600c.its.queensu.ca with ESMTP id fU53DAcrzKv2Hji0 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 11:07:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MP-DUP-MBX-02.AD.QUEENSU.CA ([169.254.2.39]) by MP-DUP-HTS-01.AD.QUEENSU.CA ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 11:06:48 -0400 From: Brian Thomas To: Triumphs Thread-Topic: Tire Pressures for TR3 with 165R15's? Thread-Index: Ac/YCPoMlbO9mEIVSXGehZezS9dvxA== Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 15:06:47 +0000 Accept-Language: en-CA, en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [69.7.251.14] TAG_LEVEL=1000.0 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=1000.0 KILL_LEVEL=6.0 tests=BSF_RULE7568M breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.50 BSF_RULE7568M Custom Rule 7568M Subject: [TR] Tire Pressures for TR3 with 165R15's? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I recently purchased COKER wide whites in the 165R15 size for use on my 1956 TR3. These replace 25 year old US Royal bias tires which were long past their pull date! I'm curious what tire pressures people are running with modern radial tires on a TR3? By the way, based on advice from list members, I'm using a 155R15 in the spare compartment with a 48 spoke Dayton wheel. While I would have preferred to go with 155R15's at the four corners as well, wide whites are not really an affordable option in this size. The only supplier I could find was DiamondBack who will put a wide white on a 155R15 BF Goodrich TA for $227 a pop. Given the expected use. COKER's in-house 165R15 at $160 per tire won out. COKER also offers a 165R15 WW BF Goodrich (which they make) for $194 which is about where I think Diamondback's offering should be. Interesting aside: We just returned from our annual trek to Stowe (in the TR4A). Joining us was John, a friend with his 1959 TR3A which he has had since new! John is running 165R15 radials on 48 spoke Dunlops and the spare is also a (probably very old) 165R15 which fits the spare compartment but tightly! Cheers, Brian _______________________________________________________________________ Brian Thomas E-mail: ThomasB@QueensU.Ca 92 Wyona Lane, R R 1 Phone: 613-385-1947 Wolfe Island, Ontario Toys: 54 TR2, 56 TR3, 67 TR4A, 01 XKR, 75 John Deere 920 CANADA K0H 2Y0 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 24 10:17:58 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EA65258460E for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 10:17:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f173.google.com (mail-pd0-f173.google.com [209.85.192.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2695225802EE for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 10:17:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f173.google.com with SMTP id y10so8868526pdj.4 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 09:20:46 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=oLU7Z6uXiFSAKn/DvB1Z9nhC+oKQGmrqkaqu6ZwnUzc=; b=QcCZDbkPx+I2yQrLNxVdRQyRIwdFlrcPTBm7h6RvPohFRAc+bkmMFTosZ6M8PMJNMt oVJB13tDlYaQrQSc1ZkXZiz3LvFd9uexExdNfVleKp0zZLWJTtBtY5IvzE/jJuktXP5P iGkPsTMJjdglVg5KJodq7SScEgdjuPu4eXAmKYoTZ4g/ewROymFFqJC6PWjZmxrKR/a4 RyWRhAvreqbu7DO4ztFNb4XU6t4kv4Pf9fSXasIbsoCIw3j8szIzCBqX7FyL3XINtOKq md4YbUoErT38u39y4rW7zmd7CWxjkZZg1DS1p/SFU0qyFMy+czojGaOVYvhxFWrnnNb8 ZD4A== ob5mr2832759pbb.107.1411575645939; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 09:20:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.64.198 with HTTP; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 09:20:45 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 12:20:45 -0400 From: Brad Kahler To: Thomas Beaver Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 light & badge bar Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Interesting, first time I've heard the Amco bars have a larger diameter than typical. Thanks for the info! Brad On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Thomas Beaver wrote: > Brad > We use the AMCO bumper bar on the 250 to mount badges. The bar diameter is > large so had to source larger than usual clips. Not an easy item to find > but FYI. > > Tom > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Sep 21, 2014, at 11:53 AM, Brad Kahler wrote: > > > > So why is it the only light & badge bar I can find for a TR4 is from > > RevingtonTR and it's not cheap even without shipping added in? > > > > I've been googling light & badge bars for TR4s and found several examples > > but only RevingtonTR actually seems to sell them. > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > Thanks! > > > > Brad > > > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tbe749@aol.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 24 11:07:23 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 374DB2584591 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 11:07:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f179.google.com (mail-pd0-f179.google.com [209.85.192.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04B132584569 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 11:06:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f179.google.com with SMTP id ft15so8980745pdb.10 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 10:09:46 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=V196Gnopwwqkh08cgearOnggz4XOuoSrzc2pB+uX/kg=; b=cdHcBh9PpuGlIPb5G3Ie1U/cVeFzGJwILppMj0/J9nH0MuYRcFanoOQyOXA0sgsecU ZY7Cil2koCkfyU/7JVRATfTecI/6pr6GWLkSNdLnNUL35gv7s9hnfamVaB/vXJp30qe+ Zrrqmz27S1zeQeALF7OCgRMsn+mNJ37qnwTsacqeYa//yASz23aNbFpLtlOBmynRBvVg ZweGdXr+Bq899GxmWIP94THAI52ZD8JqtP6kLLejvuy6iL07YrII6nOwTCl5KG20mtnY hBCFF7rPpgoCtl7EK5FSFI8h/yw03nr3RJMJ95R/0fNEE1AhqZ+dCLowU4P0bR0034zQ qR2w== ss8mr5798246pab.67.1411578585124; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 10:09:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.64.198 with HTTP; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 10:09:45 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 13:09:45 -0400 From: Brad Kahler To: Brian Thomas Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 radiator shrouds Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Ed, I attached a picture of one of the cars I took a picture of on the show field. You can see the gap at the side of the radiator where the shroud is wider than the radiator itself allowing airflow around the sides of the radiator. I have not seen Richard Goods TR4 shroud on a car, only the pictures on his website. From the website pictures the shroud appears to be the same width as the factory (and aftermarket) shrouds. Supposedly the TR4 and TR4A shrouds are the same, at least according to Moss's catalog. Could you send me a picture or two of your shroud installation? Thanks, Brad On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Brian Thomas wrote: > Hi Brad, > > I recently installed the GoodParts shrowd on our TR4A replacing two > previous cardboard versions that quickly became mis-shaped after getting > damp. > > ... and it's hard to dive in the rain without this happening! > > I don't understand what you mean be wider at the back as the shrowd sits > slightly inboard of the radiator sides. I can send pics if you're curious. > > Regarding installation of the GoodParts shrowd, I was initially concerned > about the top piece being straight where it meets the front of the car > which is V-shaped. I asked the list if this was a common problem and also > emailed back and forth with Richard Good. Nobody had experienced a problem > so I decided to go ahead and live with a slight gap in the middle at the > front (which was present with both the cardboard products). My thought was > the wiring harness would hide this anyway. Turned out NOT to be a problem > as the mid-position body mounting point is higher than the outside points > and this results in a perfect fit to the V-shaped body panel. Richard's > product looks really "good"! > > Cheers, > > Brian > _______________________________________________________________________ > Brian Thomas E-mail: ThomasB@QueensU.Ca > 92 Wyona Lane, R R 1 Phone: 613-385-1947 > Wolfe Island, Ontario Toys: 54 TR2, 56 TR3, 67 TR4A, 01 > XKR, 75 John Deere 920 > CANADA K0H 2Y0 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of tr4-radiator-shroud-1.jpg] ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 24 13:11:38 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A3CC2584E8F for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 13:11:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm22-vm8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm22-vm8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.217.71]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAA082584DD6 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 13:10:22 -0600 (MDT) s=s1024; t=1411586000; bh=PmNhpSc3fRiSdUhTDwXjSetXU/6bt7/mEnV22p7+fwg=; b=xr5yM37EZK3R/0FtQRfq88HVevmhOwj+SnCHRYsEfXxTNi5CDc6RdJP1lC6VkO8d/sNlIU+bmQJaTL5RS1hKZLSwmsLRQHOKima0y8ukpWpFXwt9PlmQuUz1ZI3Rs+++yfth6Wv9l26iza8PdOWIVWsL3GAbZlBNVYVmN+XLo+0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=flash.net; b=ashUQkdJkerwSHPyRs7WMHuCYI59hjNB7amVu1qrt1e1M4OJ2eTB+N/RLxB0aXz3fmXYZw18PCjnKfLtekCUpqlGhYy7P00bYFNLUaBEihcbXvWHUCDeFV6uXvfOLLBQvJ/tvic2iWhwKX7RAzXcKLvjGkVfpGARXAR7k5My3iM=; Received: from [98.137.12.55] by nm22.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2014 19:13:20 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.208] by tm15.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2014 19:13:20 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp219.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2014 19:13:20 -0000 s=s1024; t=1411586000; bh=PmNhpSc3fRiSdUhTDwXjSetXU/6bt7/mEnV22p7+fwg=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To; b=bDdb6PYiJ4ReC96VaSbs8rtBDFyHUrXU+smQpqShryWLElXBBoHoLAW57rV/Dc/4VrqWW6dv3f2SvhcdrojQ1HtQuw5lLr7kenmMSoBhIvT93rzxnbvLEtUfU8AQ+20vvz6ewH4Hx87PpseiWpydxU3uR2mYJZcYSUit6f9t3I0= 7gbh0eB1HkaYcCNKLam2qsVLcwkfDk2GreptVEr_6c4TsgJ.6znZ7kdheXDr Q4Zs_NxpugY1.ZFLegBOiR6uZjwAK9EUQzASGrhanY0yG2yaB5fCuiGHsCOc ygIQ_lVllK_5SGsIP6_LaNM.pvAiqnBzuTnolObZwTAfkfqHe5ydxdw8N8cn WXDYgLMjs6Llu0UlOvda_TTd3CVPsnr785Fl2EI4wHewJVcb4Gr8r.p6mSEq dhuwPFjozmpUJFoXMh.P1zUXPVJrVLTP1zsqCkahSoACxRS7XbzVEnCa.QlO 2EfFZhtuClYgqWPjyhuv1rjWcr.S.p.Yr6tRVw53SFrPiDDKAY9hb8a5uUmY qiRU0gd043H6I8nPgR6uiI_8IBHT7K514lhaHBysVwJKaI9l1BHDtsZ0vCGy VhTdeur83GGzkwD1FIXcy.QLyiIsTnp9Mdx87zt.k1YhWIM9XehDW6FRAw0a X22JQeS_53vm3sF12CRvB_mC0GvHU8L7xGVY8tteQejRLDPY1n1GmQ5fOr9L Rzf2tcP_tGbau.znL8ICqTKHzEY3cY58mOfc- From: "Wbeech@flash.net" Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 14:13:19 -0500 References: To: Brian Thomas Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Tire Pressures for TR3 with 165R15's? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I was advised by Allen at Hendrix Wire Wheel to run 28psi all around on my Diamondback WW with 60-spoke Dunlops. Bill Sent from mobile Bill On Sep 24, 2014, at 10:06 AM, Brian Thomas wrote: I recently purchased COKER wide whites in the 165R15 size for use on my 1956 TR3. These replace 25 year old US Royal bias tires which were long past their pull date! I'm curious what tire pressures people are running with modern radial tires on a TR3? By the way, based on advice from list members, I'm using a 155R15 in the spare compartment with a 48 spoke Dayton wheel. While I would have preferred to go with 155R15's at the four corners as well, wide whites are not really an affordable option in this size. The only supplier I could find was DiamondBack who will put a wide white on a 155R15 BF Goodrich TA for $227 a pop. Given the expected use. COKER's in-house 165R15 at $160 per tire won out. COKER also offers a 165R15 WW BF Goodrich (which they make) for $194 which is about where I think Diamondback's offering should be. Interesting aside: We just returned from our annual trek to Stowe (in the TR4A). Joining us was John, a friend with his 1959 TR3A which he has had since new! John is running 165R15 radials on 48 spoke Dunlops and the spare is also a (probably very old) 165R15 which fits the spare compartment but tightly! Cheers, Brian _______________________________________________________________________ Brian Thomas E-mail: ThomasB@QueensU.Ca 92 Wyona Lane, R R 1 Phone: 613-385-1947 Wolfe Island, Ontario Toys: 54 TR2, 56 TR3, 67 TR4A, 01 XKR, 75 John Deere 920 CANADA K0H 2Y0 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 24 18:07:47 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27E8C2584FDA for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 18:07:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp3.execulink.net (smtp3.execulink.net [69.63.44.84]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76A1E258068A for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 18:07:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from node-3772.tor.pppoe.execulink.com ([216.59.254.188] helo=[192.168.4.102]) by smtp3.execulink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1XWwbX-0007NE-Ap; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 20:09:59 -0400 From: Keith Stewart Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 20:08:13 -0400 References: To: triumphs@autox.team.net Cc: bkahler1@gmail.com Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 radiator shrouds Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Sep 24, 2014, at 1:09 PM, bkahler1@gmail.com wrote: > > Ed, > > I attached a picture of one of the cars I took a picture of on the show > field. You can see the gap at the side of the radiator where the shroud is > wider than the radiator itself allowing airflow around the sides of the > radiator. > > I have not seen Richard Goods TR4 shroud on a car, only the pictures on his > website. From the website pictures the shroud appears to be the same width > as the factory (and aftermarket) shrouds. Supposedly the TR4 and TR4A > shrouds are the same, at least according to Moss's catalog. > > Could you send me a picture or two of your shroud installation? > > Thanks, > > Brad I just installed the Richard Good TR4 Polished Stainless Shroud. It is a high quality product and fits perfectly. The finish is mirror-like - amazing. You cannot really see the polished surface in the photos because the mirror finish reflects the under hood paint just like a mirror. The top of the shroud lines up with the top of the rad fins. The sides are just slightly wider that the sides of the rad. NOTE: The photos will not appear on the list copy but are included in the copy to Brad. Keith Stewart keithstewartATexeculinkDOTcom ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Sep 24 19:03:47 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D6112585035 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 19:03:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f173.google.com (mail-wi0-f173.google.com [209.85.212.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B07B25845BE for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 19:03:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f173.google.com with SMTP id r20so7967377wiv.0 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 18:06:38 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=E/PJM2UL5jUOrTcArZAVd84CGllmHvRW60yfv5JKRD8=; b=azY5PY0kBmbI8nTU+mNaYSU9v29BEeNT+djLI52TMFYR+qv74zAk4xHvyqvwPO+ONm guvDG+Kzax97tAGOmzCjRpxJ0nWZQpn0A7YTLdxiUeJTuY+L6JbmqBj97X3NOnu8M6y/ QuKuLLPoa2hzVgQLCA/HYl2Of0LiEtCmIMOL+mmUJjCwsLuOXjj2IIKEvvRB/42mIC/f /Tqe7tcUuz0o8oCFq7BO0mE78HY4TfAyP+0dXmD5ULpQ0pTwnYDnmUA6APRU9xKXT0Bb 6ZJtCB/uHOqJxE94FtBcgGye6pD9rBnKhStIOrIRGsalGmoNjv7M25zbMvFb/qYRpa6G cOlA== eo3mr15385668wib.8.1411607198066; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 18:06:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.27.134.70 with HTTP; Wed, 24 Sep 2014 18:06:38 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 21:06:38 -0400 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: Brian Thomas Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Tire Pressures for TR3 with 165R15's? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Brian Thomas wrote: > I'm curious what tire pressures people are running with modern radial tires on > a TR3? Could you do some arithmetic to figure out the size of the contact patch on the original tires, then calculate back to get the same patch on the new tires? Might be a starting place. Or, you could just put something reasonable in, like the aforementioned 28psi and see how it handles. But I'm an engineer, I don't go in for simple solutions. Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 25 09:35:57 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A65C225851FA for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 09:35:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f182.google.com (mail-pd0-f182.google.com [209.85.192.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C65352580764 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 09:35:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f182.google.com with SMTP id p10so10779524pdj.13 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 08:38:14 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=kdbQUccZZnWwoJE/TBCNYHWmo/IRw7lXwJUGuhO6NpY=; b=umoz8da2TTKOo+5ITmir6Gzl2nO3qYmh3ZOqsw/SH1g3Hc282Pm7ne8sLCxAwWCm4o uUlGtYW5q6rC9PQqwA8HQ3KO4BLgayYxNbKaS9tFns5u75Fh1Q90Cjh/87dLosJch8pr xpTYWqzpEBhwbzqc/zJCgZKc38VHWNnKeoDMMRGvjpMUQHnyvApB5e0JlJIWe2mpZZGV pg2asT1AVypodb22qYTghII2Sl2xzu9bZgietI5A/AVd326mOnbX2dxJL2qW7mx9vgbd Xp7XheC9kd96KRoqVWt8fd7caECpRaTqkM+JWBDaOvfAFyV0La497ZxGN23+p4+dbDn+ CSHA== d15mr28953325pdj.48.1411659494149; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 08:38:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.64.198 with HTTP; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 08:38:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 11:38:14 -0400 From: Brad Kahler To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Trying to locate my old 63 Spitfire Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I know this is a long shot but I've always wondered what happened to the first Triumph that I owned but here goes :) Back in early fall of 1978 I was getting ready to move to Denver from Lincoln Nebraska. At the time I owned a bright yellow with yellow factory hard top 1963 Spitfire and a 1973 TR6. I needed to sell one of the two and opted to sell the Spitfire since it was a running project and the TR6 was only 5 years old at the time. I put the Spitfire in the newspaper want ads and a gentleman contacted me about the car. He came over to look at it saying he was looking for a project car as his family had just been transferred to Lincoln by his employer. We agreed on a price and he took possession of the car and I subsequently moved to Denver. So if anyone knows who the purchaser might have been or what might have happened to the car in the intervening years I would love to know more. It was a good solid car that deserved a restoration. Thanks! Brad Richmond, KY 1963 TR4 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 25 09:45:04 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 584DA2585209 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 09:45:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.218.70]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95AC42580966 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 09:44:59 -0600 (MDT) s=s1024; t=1411660078; bh=W3q8OIEwbaC66uM99j0Yjsqy0JIrfxS6PPF+iSkb4IU=; b=e7lA1/vnLlzx2Lp4SaiMXjSci8hPxbu8IblH/aDg07yCg3ALAHYBKLXUWFb9K6CFoZGQCTdUhnKKPWEbeY5UdqXdj7zbKMm2sgsxylqks4NSH8006xzGo40JZREXUWAgG4kHQzdAfDaYbPme2W1XpnS7H5ukI58DqV+RWN6whpw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=flash.net; b=B+h6YmxHIwBldl1f4VddSQIpVHAgnyyndZ7V27pWebrZ2udBnb0aruoPDP1IBQuUT49atVD28k8HcRI68Kj4OkbUl8HLaz8L7tz9XkK4Xd2l41w/f3sRgoNya8QR2PGzeECLQ+BL6vnxr2oaVSz/71bu0RpwpEjId/Ihgyabr0k=; Received: from [98.137.12.175] by nm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2014 15:47:58 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.209] by tm14.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2014 15:47:58 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp220.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2014 15:47:58 -0000 s=s1024; t=1411660078; bh=W3q8OIEwbaC66uM99j0Yjsqy0JIrfxS6PPF+iSkb4IU=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:thread-index:X-MimeOLE; b=z08v6g1DrBacWCdQUc+VzVNLgARAPdtVrhJFwJUM63YykjcFiVU4JLfCyX/cPS3pL15sGAW7d6lD02VF/0z/SDLKEzwM54CugLIN8CBLnK//Wlm4TUa6TCtQpm3+1JwGzbPS3NsyYGqJ/BVWlDgvUxZTG9VfRzbdjQWlMKLb/I0= ITEumc8UUjEs9KkyTTbBVh7uycSSyLDOhnSQPZIehGk0joEDakJvsz5oaeZ3 CBXICZaBbWmDp1uLbxLo_O22wToIRPAlDXqhMAVohfiszX2k_hycQeT8zVnr WnEIVskT5fBnpP0cr3DCZ5eHKNoO4aie4dsRQDENUy3NkFD35yCa0ss7XOHs rfVpvelmvjZcQrVHUu0aqMT0xoSWNbv75qLd1HXbIrNLkCFypX.AbBR54XSS ljTpyCwTNy.hV7TRhD_50mWA87dgVn.d9_MldAu1JwJnjOiZ0f.cEfDtBYoL Wq7nGYBFCywsAW6hgIy9q5BLGi7gYYDlTakGI9CsAV5thhxPUrlZAZfyaFsn saWU.aKUACKfKxZKef1W5JIGniYJZ6_6.l.UDt3cB1Nsz3TAfinbsDydw8Jn J5rRlcpACoSVprZowD4ZgO1acbmLnxPEqgiBu135ecrH74mxzNeU5iySyj0w 20Ct.tkefnkJm6XA1Wg2Zat4Mhi3ybYfPrimtng_GUz8DqRnzQycrZtyjHAV UhQMG_xdRTLHmYodaucvi0WuVPmtvGmFoRvQ- From: To: "'Brad Kahler'" , "'Triumphs'" References: Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 10:47:48 -0500 thread-index: Ac/Y1sSZQc1s0DrTRru+4GE1rMQoQwAANrug Subject: Re: [TR] Trying to locate my old 63 Spitfire Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Brad, Do you have the commission number? You might check the various registries. Or, do you have any friends at the Lincoln DMV that would do some archive searching for you? No commission number, maybe your former insurance agent/company might have a record. Just some shot-in-the-dark ideas, Bill Bill Beecher '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) '67 Morgan 4/4 Comp (next in line) '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" '55 Sunbeam S7 Deluxe "How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are?" S. Paige -----Original Message----- From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Brad Kahler Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 10:38 AM To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Trying to locate my old 63 Spitfire I know this is a long shot but I've always wondered what happened to the first Triumph that I owned but here goes :) Back in early fall of 1978 I was getting ready to move to Denver from Lincoln Nebraska. At the time I owned a bright yellow with yellow factory hard top 1963 Spitfire and a 1973 TR6. I needed to sell one of the two and opted to sell the Spitfire since it was a running project and the TR6 was only 5 years old at the time. I put the Spitfire in the newspaper want ads and a gentleman contacted me about the car. He came over to look at it saying he was looking for a project car as his family had just been transferred to Lincoln by his employer. We agreed on a price and he took possession of the car and I subsequently moved to Denver. So if anyone knows who the purchaser might have been or what might have happened to the car in the intervening years I would love to know more. It was a good solid car that deserved a restoration. Thanks! Brad Richmond, KY 1963 TR4 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 25 10:26:37 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B10B22585236 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 10:26:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f52.google.com (mail-pa0-f52.google.com [209.85.220.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08DE92580764 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 10:26:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f52.google.com with SMTP id hz1so11404050pad.39 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 09:29:30 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=j8V3IlplGVi0r/PBp9BwhMjuQvN+3xmphgsECtt4n3k=; b=pKdzlJiJbxh7ldL8OezztRlUutxOqM9SGlAS3P7fHntHg2rgO4u6TRwTYRJetedCC8 wMYuYJREr1JLAsBWcxWcDEooy8krL95nCQm+dBz593/CRTlQLESqw8D9sAy7nWv3Zhsa vjm07gP+xCK9Mf1OzFBL9quhXPv2Azte5olQuB2WwLnguKnnOsb6fA9a/0ZBuoDLIiNR 9+xjR+KvHqgDL2ukS9CNCA2iOGeUYoAJm+DHqhbiY3/KUheIO6WtPhXXrhzwFHfBN0pF EvlVwr3R+DEZSLV9uVbk/A9JcKObWf6jm3QQ/ajbAmaJecdV4GoxlzSTlZEtz2qoJnzh hDGA== d15mr29636459pdj.48.1411662570586; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 09:29:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.64.198 with HTTP; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 09:29:30 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 12:29:30 -0400 From: Brad Kahler To: Bill Beecher Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Trying to locate my old 63 Spitfire Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Bill, I have no idea what the commission number was and not having lived in Lincoln for so many years I don't know anyone in a working capacity that could help me track down the sort of information required. Insurance was handled through my dad and he passed away a number of years ago. Basically I've not been able to think of anyone I could contact in Lincoln that might be able to help. I realize the odds are really stacked against me but figured what the heck, maybe someone will remember a bright yellow Spitfire in Lincoln back in the late 70s early 80s. Thanks, Brad On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 11:47 AM, wrote: > Brad, > Do you have the commission number? You might check the various registries. > Or, do you have any friends at the Lincoln DMV that would do some archive > searching for you? No commission number, maybe your former insurance > agent/company might have a record. > > Just some shot-in-the-dark ideas, > > Bill > > Bill Beecher > '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) > '67 Morgan 4/4 Comp (next in line) > '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" > '55 Sunbeam S7 Deluxe > > "How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are?" S. Paige > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Brad > Kahler > Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 10:38 AM > To: Triumphs > Subject: [TR] Trying to locate my old 63 Spitfire > > I know this is a long shot but I've always wondered what happened to the > first Triumph that I owned but here goes :) > > Back in early fall of 1978 I was getting ready to move to Denver from > Lincoln Nebraska. At the time I owned a bright yellow with yellow factory > hard top 1963 Spitfire and a 1973 TR6. I needed to sell one of the two and > opted to sell the Spitfire since it was a running project and the TR6 was > only 5 years old at the time. > > I put the Spitfire in the newspaper want ads and a gentleman contacted me > about the car. He came over to look at it saying he was looking for a > project car as his family had just been transferred to Lincoln by his > employer. We agreed on a price and he took possession of the car and I > subsequently moved to Denver. > > So if anyone knows who the purchaser might have been or what might have > happened to the car in the intervening years I would love to know more. It > was a good solid car that deserved a restoration. > > Thanks! > > Brad > Richmond, KY > 1963 TR4 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 25 10:51:54 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 496F72585249 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 10:51:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f181.google.com (mail-pd0-f181.google.com [209.85.192.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54CB225805FD for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 10:51:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pd0-f181.google.com with SMTP id r10so11153308pdi.40 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 09:54:45 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=27H497loNOUYIEKd3KDB1rOjjeoVidG+YQqQcR+0Kzc=; b=cloE3M8FRMeHzmXfD2L0FQ8UbsSqXE/ha55EEyiSZt9maAIiXPqBMIpfp8OufNopaf dlhpuRVotSH40CdgYwgj1XXbqdtDeheneWVHvxtuE/cEFaGUjet4oKkpi0eYREKY5qlB DeUksw/W1ehZBs/gJ7ra4H5Bt5JIB4ChKXSPKZ2Jn8UyL/iQPlB6EU1jvNWZOWTS8ZjX gJM9dJqiB5aTfAm8lJX3O5fhtNns9kKtI6Gv87jBZ8nDmz/JCKPumPrsWpy+EvOkny/G Yg5uZmie+NTpmk3UV1MGwMQopaTQuwBx6Wm5HPmcMTy+HpCx68x2p8gbocWQqAz5X1MW 1XCA== d15mr29948214pdj.48.1411664085126; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 09:54:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.64.198 with HTTP; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 09:54:45 -0700 (PDT) References: <9B1C3A35-7BEC-46C5-AFA7-ADB98D81CC07@execulink.com> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 12:54:45 -0400 From: Brad Kahler To: Keith Stewart Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 radiator shrouds Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Keith, It took me a little time to recognize the actual radiator shroud due to the high polish and the reflections of the red body paint! Definitely nice looking although it might look a little bit out of place on my clapped out white TR4 :) Thanks! Brad On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 8:08 PM, Keith Stewart wrote: > On Sep 24, 2014, at 1:09 PM, bkahler1@gmail.com wrote: > > > Ed, > > I attached a picture of one of the cars I took a picture of on the show > field. You can see the gap at the side of the radiator where the shroud is > wider than the radiator itself allowing airflow around the sides of the > radiator. > > I have not seen Richard Goods TR4 shroud on a car, only the pictures on his > website. From the website pictures the shroud appears to be the same width > as the factory (and aftermarket) shrouds. Supposedly the TR4 and TR4A > shrouds are the same, at least according to Moss's catalog. > > Could you send me a picture or two of your shroud installation? > > Thanks, > > Brad > > I just installed the Richard Good TR4 Polished Stainless Shroud. It is a > high quality product and fits perfectly. The finish is mirror-like - > amazing. You cannot really see the polished surface in the photos because > the mirror finish reflects the under hood paint just like a mirror. The top > of the shroud lines up with the top of the rad fins. The sides are just > slightly wider that the sides of the rad. > > NOTE: The photos will not appear on the list copy but are included in the > copy to Brad. > > Keith Stewart > keithstewartATexeculinkDOTcom ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 25 11:20:50 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3984A2585285 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 11:20:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm10-vm5.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm10-vm5.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE1B7258525D for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 11:20:17 -0600 (MDT) s=s1024; t=1411665796; bh=uULBMnOdIgNcDdXY1JRRvfEB0Cf46eFslCUP5k7CIxk=; b=jhZym59qzU6ncMcfnOsRxsbysh5IwCqPc4PacETeemTJ0eVapf6TDWBm5JGON6lpvx3B1DBGV+9W1LKZrBJk9f7CfuyrwdOUvHtpB2bsUERgI8u79T+dnuKDKl5rNtC0EzmryLfP1zs4aDMUf3Mt99w90AJGftFfd9bdKLpK0+c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=flash.net; b=NauYiRNE1DpZ7Ms1i76ucMrnfefVNotofkhtjbXriOd2LYuVvT8H/FLHka89r/Ix365Kuc4UXh4NuWYgdmRnELsDnKjwuE590pFsW/1ziadZYz++ReAySG4qX1sSG24Vg5VYXHzD/lShjZnTvJJSuJnQvdpwppZPaaX8PM1k0CI=; Received: from [66.196.81.155] by nm10.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2014 17:23:16 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.243] by tm1.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2014 17:23:15 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp114.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Sep 2014 17:23:15 -0000 s=s1024; t=1411665795; bh=uULBMnOdIgNcDdXY1JRRvfEB0Cf46eFslCUP5k7CIxk=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:From:To:Cc:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:thread-index:X-MimeOLE; b=Xr10vNO6kPKo84j/dDyphXX8U7Ln+MF9GRfOsj2vfCw7uAUPM84pagQo6WDCegl9L9W6NMCq5ouyqLIn+AsISowBa06NHs3nhEAJt/TzXKdp3I0Q0V1qDTmVZblQed4psk3DRfPAlon+NObKBW/rx7JYRdJLWkCc27LBt0FHtb8= Sj.sBKMFY4fdZ2t9zktqZeB2nOGvEFLOrtFoXxsLajwmnfKskp61iga7a0LU fMrf6WnaJoA3aUku1x2tbNcjwQlIg..Xa27wdspZwc8RrOo84_Nao9t3.ZNo Da0LSw4kGnDkj_N6g4NGcoAnLmbGtRmnx1wAOYK.CBE5.X551u2sHVMJ2Yt8 DGXReXGN2bhZTgljIBAozGq_MYpf81.rsiqwOpn_RydlLf0RGDOKo.iTQNDM e3fOV06ZqRw22PDmK56FJUIJj7RyWqIUIBb8GYUbXaiEoV.WAER3Z0hcRB24 zCB1eGEVhxXvlxJL88Xigf8GdRL2eJ_Oktn2.C4BNdkuFvADSsMDu2bl8ip_ 0jYBdefKy1YxD1wJZNfRtQwb77MjcuVGP70W9e4iLW88s.BnlP84QPhcy5cw 1bNZpW0i5kaBeZTcleseQtiBNreQjv5dV0HDtVFMVHBc14.eHCXkAHoASgfL H5QB0s6BoKS8kTzrUBDUOnzDynw2Wijh1Kpn.gtSi5GHv9JQOb498fo5Pmzk FHEqtF1ezfqh9VV5GQ4UJxRwiEnr87PNm1Hnx From: To: "'Brad Kahler'" References: Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 12:23:13 -0500 thread-index: Ac/Y3eK20ESl3nT3RjuaXS/kz8wVJAABqqfw Cc: 'Triumphs' Subject: Re: [TR] Trying to locate my old 63 Spitfire Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net You never know, it's worth a shot. I'm still looking for my first TR3A that I sold in 1970 in Richmond, VA. Maybe someone should start a "POs looking for past cars" web site. B _____ From: Brad Kahler [mailto:bkahler1@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:29 AM To: Bill Beecher Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Trying to locate my old 63 Spitfire Bill, I have no idea what the commission number was and not having lived in Lincoln for so many years I don't know anyone in a working capacity that could help me track down the sort of information required. Insurance was handled through my dad and he passed away a number of years ago. Basically I've not been able to think of anyone I could contact in Lincoln that might be able to help. I realize the odds are really stacked against me but figured what the heck, maybe someone will remember a bright yellow Spitfire in Lincoln back in the late 70s early 80s. Thanks, Brad On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 11:47 AM, wrote: Brad, Do you have the commission number? You might check the various registries. Or, do you have any friends at the Lincoln DMV that would do some archive searching for you? No commission number, maybe your former insurance agent/company might have a record. Just some shot-in-the-dark ideas, Bill Bill Beecher '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab) '67 Morgan 4/4 Comp (next in line) '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast" '55 Sunbeam S7 Deluxe "How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are?" S. Paige -----Original Message----- From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Brad Kahler Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 10:38 AM To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Trying to locate my old 63 Spitfire I know this is a long shot but I've always wondered what happened to the first Triumph that I owned but here goes :) Back in early fall of 1978 I was getting ready to move to Denver from Lincoln Nebraska. At the time I owned a bright yellow with yellow factory hard top 1963 Spitfire and a 1973 TR6. I needed to sell one of the two and opted to sell the Spitfire since it was a running project and the TR6 was only 5 years old at the time. I put the Spitfire in the newspaper want ads and a gentleman contacted me about the car. He came over to look at it saying he was looking for a project car as his family had just been transferred to Lincoln by his employer. We agreed on a price and he took possession of the car and I subsequently moved to Denver. So if anyone knows who the purchaser might have been or what might have happened to the car in the intervening years I would love to know more. It was a good solid car that deserved a restoration. Thanks! Brad Richmond, KY 1963 TR4 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 25 15:27:29 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2205C2584F76 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 15:27:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m1.mx.aol.com (omr-m1.mx.aol.com [64.12.224.134]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD40B25845D4 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 15:27:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-aae01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-aae01.mx.aol.com [172.27.1.99]) by omr-m1.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 91AEC380000AE for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 17:30:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dlc003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dlc003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.182.73]) by mtaomg-aae01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 38A953800008A for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2014 17:30:15 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: George Haynes Received: from 72.230.239.69 by webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.131) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 25 Sep 2014 17:30:14 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 17:30:15 -0400 x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20140625; t=1411680616; bh=h+nLa/dqz0naWKnHtr5Ouex1NumnNtN3xDI22QPq0R4=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=GeQBS3Ht1a+yEzOO5wKBKxovvA4lVrP4PN4V4om//SGEuQ6l/p/hRb/uFIT66Utic fTQqR+BqPddkGkRHnKSks4KK3EiLyoNOqYHLrUsYRKBf0OqOOST+gyRuAW+YSXtfAp K796k02hhJ8VuAi3fluwMUCmZGHNBjM2QiVfKkYQ= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1b01635424896741c1 Subject: [TR] Previous Owner Wanted Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Here's another long shot: Instead of looking for my old car, I'm looking for it's original owner. I bought my 1965 TR4A, CTC55423LO, from Jerome Bernsen in Thousand Oaks, CA in February of 1985. Jerome, who worked for Xerox in El Segundo at the time, could not recall who he bought it from but I suspect it was the original owner. I think it changed hands about 1977. Perhaps Jerome was the third owner. Someone replaced several fenders and at least one door, did some bodywork and had it repainted in lacquer, prior to my ownership. According to the Heritage Trust Certificate, the original buyer took possession at the factory but it subsequently went to Honolulu. That sorta tells me he was a serviceman in 1965. Assuming he was in his early 20's at the time, he's between 70 and 75 now and may still be alive. The TR4A was Triumph Racing Green, with a black leather interior, Surrey top and overdrive. The original steel wheels were painted white when I bought the car. As the 50th anniversary of my car's manufacture date approaches, it would be great to finally close the gap and locate the original owner. Is there anyone in California, or anywhere, who might recall this car? Thanks in advance. George Haynes ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 26 12:46:25 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B04B42584798 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 12:46:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A07362580801 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 12:46:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [108.167.48.145] ([108.167.48.145:62557] helo=livingroompc) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 10/67-07385-A25B5245; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 18:49:14 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 13:49:15 -0500 Subject: [TR] Fw: Trying to locate my old 63 Spitfire Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Resending, don't think the first one went through: Brad, Lincoln Nebraska, 1978? you are talkin about m mm my generation. I was driving a Sprite (my first car) around Lincoln at that time, I don't remember a yellow 63 Spitfire, but we have an active club and a few of the guys have been active with British cars as long as I have. I'll poke around a little bit, there was a guy named Scott Clifford who I think had had quite a few Triumphs, but he was a little older than me, and I don't think he is into the British scene so much anymore. Greg Lemon ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 26 12:51:07 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19B1F2584630 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 12:51:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-po-10v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-10v.sys.comcast.net [96.114.154.169]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39AB32580801 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 12:48:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-po-20v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.244]) by resqmta-po-10v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id vupX1o0025Geu2801urLnl; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 18:51:20 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.196.165.168]) by resomta-po-20v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id vurK1o00c3eKESF01urLF9; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 18:51:20 +0000 From: Bud R Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 12:51:19 -0600 To: triumph list s=q20140121; t=1411757480; bh=dNiHHtGL6H0fIeB/VPYMyRO6VrPwPsus+4NipoJjg4Q=; h=Received:Received:From:Content-Type:Date:Subject:To:Message-Id: Mime-Version; b=qQreDs8qfZs3X3JOqEv+NI+A17inpuh5Z66GD6KTF1OVayyyBSKKl87tvbvXABP12 NeRIErlvmmjTXC/QHkyf7dsVvVHmyYYRAMh8V9BylxrNxcwCjG5kYDbF8OU5x/txn0 mUnTYYdSnbkWR34TbXyE9jiSH+13OkY7UlUVeb8ts0/lCObDad42Cr7X7FWkDJTC0w 7sVeTgLfhFFVSEN0n0Tp/LqSeIHxDkdYR+jK+Ib8nTUNvL8ow+UnFBaJtq0R/+UfCN uMGrcUBvkHG4FOBFMvgQcgH1LdZ7BiP8acIsKPOlm8BjmZv5bBC1uTOeVyLdel67XF 2oCpTO3O/NcBA== Subject: [TR] Spitfire and GT6 vertical link? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List, Moss lists a 661-035 part number for a LH vertical link for Spitfires and a 661-045 for GT6s. Can anyone tell me if they are indeed different parts and how I can tell one from the other if there is a difference. Im hoping its as easy as measuring them. I need one that doesnt have the threads for the calipers stripped out (thanks PO). I just need the vertical link (or stub axle carrier to be specific) not the ball joints or trunnion. Thanks for the help. Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 26 13:25:57 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9662425851DA for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 13:25:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m04.mx.aol.com (omr-m04.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.78]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72ACE2580943 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 13:25:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mab02.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mab02.mx.aol.com [172.26.249.84]) by omr-m04.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 1915A700000BA; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 15:28:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mha01f.mail.aol.com (core-mha01.mail.aol.com [172.27.110.1]) by mtaomg-mab02.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 3963938000087; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 15:28:21 -0400 (EDT) References: <6F3D4F63-5903-4602-B4F2-CD57B59402CB@comcast.net> To: levilevi@comcast.net, triumphs@autox.team.net From: "Andrew S. Mace" Received: from 71.181.49.86 by webmail-va148.sysops.aol.com (149.174.109.211) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 26 Sep 2014 15:28:21 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 15:28:21 -0400 x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20140625; t=1411759702; bh=wgnLAx9d0BcFj8mv7zKCs5JZcmhqCTrhUCv7+MVwpPI=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=UpMwh4zriAS1ZdK6V0TnuJam8VbsmZAYOTSd4kmb7nVtJ5Xz1DToon7RN/svMTeG6 fZVpXynnf9DKvwb4Vlka96jR3Kr0RpOLjJjhXh6wzDygBu23NQL+NOriCI5u/dwoDZ LEXp/5WzItcY5Kfj0/PNsIfujaSvYdu8P6bioNkY= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1af9545425be55318f Subject: Re: [TR] Spitfire and GT6 vertical link? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Yes, they are different, as the Spitfire (save for very early ones) had caliper mounting ears cast into the link, and the tie rod bolted in part to the back of the stub axle;the GT6 utilized a bolt-on mounting plate for the (larger on the GT6) calipers, and a different tie rod passed through the vertical link and bolted to the back of same. --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Bud R To: triumph list Sent: Fri, Sep 26, 2014 2:53 pm Subject: [TR] Spitfire and GT6 vertical link? List, Moss lists a 661-035 part number for a LH vertical link for Spitfires and a 661-045 for GT6s. Can anyone tell me if they are indeed different parts and how I can tell one from the other if there is a difference. Im hoping its as easy as measuring them. I need one that doesnt have the threads for the calipers stripped out (thanks PO). I just need the vertical link (or stub axle carrier to be specific) not the ball joints or trunnion. Thanks for the help. Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/zoboherald@aol.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 26 17:28:04 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 123262584894 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 17:28:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtpout002.mac.com [17.158.236.237]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2A7A25806FB for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 17:27:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [140.211.95.176] (unknown [140.211.95.176]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.10(7.0.4.27.9) 64bit (built Jun 6 2014)) with ESMTPSA id <0NCJ00FWB7XOVX20@nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 23:29:50 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.12.52,1.0.28,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-09-26_07:2014-09-26,2014-09-26,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1402240000 definitions=main-1409260224 From: Jeffrey Gayton Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 16:29:46 -0700 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Genuine Minilites Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Greetings. I'm interested in getting some genuine Minilites. I've only been able to get a quote from the UK operation; the US operation doesn't seem to respond. Does anyone know any other US sources? As you might guess, Minilites are expensive enough without shipping from the UK! Thanks. b Jeff 1962 Triumph TR4 Surrey Top Overdrive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 27 10:57:48 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CA2C2584879 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 10:57:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-05v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-05v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A83E32580947 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 10:57:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.52]) by resqmta-ch2-05v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id wGx01o00117dt5G01H0AnE; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 17:00:10 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.196.165.168]) by omta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id wH091o0033eKESF3ZH093v; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 17:00:10 +0000 From: Bud R Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2014 11:00:08 -0600 To: triumph list s=q20140121; t=1411837210; bh=ovsH+UWWYtMNZECGbOB2bQ/8fLP9wpugthrQCzNSxNs=; h=Received:Received:From:Content-Type:Date:Subject:To:Message-Id: Mime-Version; b=EpFyXf6hwMxrFo9IXCjhmK1pOgL6veGHIcurZAujDHn8L4rRsJKmLidsmy3qBJUtK /2hVXINVlsh7C0j2En0RriKcZk/uqFCFIDJXUXwymUTRg/wV8WZxsidj92d9AxDktU +z8+pEhNDblZtOI5VTbf1uhdltigsnGFP/STJywmFdVFo2ssvfC6cX7L6Qto6BpVRF hoDT2nkjQAFxZz5LNblfzzBOjvu+C5Eee/KyaNMUZwIYnm7X2DxUC+24rrLm85zDUT ccf0DMqXqYyPK07aZAwZWWbHBavJ2Tbb5rSD/UdAkns/gnzAWTTBkOP6ngaDxFOCJh H/JiI5aRKxgMQ== Subject: [TR] Thanks for the help on Spit vertical link Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net List, thanks for all the help with questions about my Spitfire vertical link. On my second try with a heli coil I got the caliper bolt to hold with the recommended 65 ft/lbs of torque. The first time I followed the hell coil instructions and counter sunk the hell coil just a bit. As it turns out the caliper bolt need those few extra threads at the very top of the hole. I set the hell coil at the top and there was enough threads to hold the needed torque. I painted a red stripe on one flat of the bolt head/caliper to easily check for any movement. Dont know what got into me with reading and following the hell coil instructions. That usually doesnt happen. Love this list, Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 27 13:39:46 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DA0025845FE for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 13:39:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E79C0258093C for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 13:39:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55007] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id E5/F0-21599-F2317245; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 19:42:40 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Bud R'" , "'triumph list'" Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2014 12:42:36 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac/adIF0wY4sQypUQaSc+BEYIqhCTwAFf9aQ Subject: Re: [TR] Thanks for the help on Spit vertical link Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > On my second try with a heli coil I got the caliper bolt to > hold with the > recommended 65 ft/lbs of torque. Uhm, so what happens when you jump on the brakes for a panic stop and the force on the threads goes up? The force on the caliper is going to be somewhere around 1/3 to 1/2 the weight of the car. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 27 15:09:15 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF8482580BA0 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 15:09:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A6002580B73 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 15:08:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.43]) by qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id wMBC1o0010vyq2s5FMBeE5; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 21:11:38 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.5] ([71.196.165.168]) by omta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id wMBd1o0023eKESF3RMBdN5; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 21:11:38 +0000 References: From: Me Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2014 15:11:34 -0600 To: Randall s=q20140121; t=1411852298; bh=+CW12/wNYVxee1pNrqR0P/Tuzjmn1JZbBxPp9pKNiCA=; h=Received:Received:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-Id:From: Subject:Date:To; b=SjwJAlrJe/GzoCAkssqOmB0hZQ6OEldBZas5g1Srh9R0DrU97Tfs4gNAGn68Xza5u Zv3n0XZX8QMwDGu2JGBVgMsTzmQEM+eg6LXmuWggZThkYvtKIKaqiNJ35j+wWZ5j+F q+p47bQbaB8IjzdOtXCgLUdwFWALvT2RBsaNvwLlz7TZ58UnGIwY+qMeAdjzjubMBr F7/SSpq4Fp+T4XSoBdYpvayvYTPlL2yqu8jBw0sa+lHGLQNHPpjhkFNoXatl5TuDZT ypTnXO5UdIUf//Xneo62I6hZ7HP7aZGOi9Kb+dj18ttNN+y0HIxwfrduVnKJI22cbv hN6TytcDYi7Dw== Cc: triumph list Subject: Re: [TR] Thanks for the help on Spit vertical link Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Most of the force will be shear force on the bolt not pull force on the threads. That was how it was explained to me. Sent from my iPad > On Sep 27, 2014, at 1:42 PM, Randall wrote: > > >> On my second try with a heli coil I got the caliper bolt to >> hold with the >> recommended 65 ft/lbs of torque. > > Uhm, so what happens when you jump on the brakes for a panic stop and the force on the threads goes up? The force on the caliper is > going to be somewhere around 1/3 to 1/2 the weight of the car. > > Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 27 15:34:16 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51E822584A23 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 15:34:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.225]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97A62258097D for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 15:33:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55004] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 52/D8-09299-CED27245; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 21:36:45 +0000 From: "Randall" Cc: "'triumph list'" Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2014 14:36:41 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac/al7PjSjs0sDzESrq07RDUZ00KggAAzknA Subject: Re: [TR] Thanks for the help on Spit vertical link Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Most of the force will be shear force on the bolt not pull > force on the > threads. That was how it was explained to me. Quite true, the threads only get a fraction of the force. How big is a fraction of a half ton? Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 27 16:04:20 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0E3B258447C for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 16:04:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65282258097D for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 16:04:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5F9B2C00D2 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 16:07:04 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2014 16:06:55 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26.1 To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] TR6 seat belt buzzer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net This is weird. '74 TR6, Dad bought it new. Disabled the seat belt interlock with the first week or two. These days it is in the care of the son. Son replaced the ignition switch and the headlight switch. Now when you turn the key to start it, the "Fasten Belts" light comes on and the buzzer buzzes. How on earth did the bypass which was working fine for many years suddenly becomes unbypassed? Wonder what the son really did behind the dash? TIme to look at some wiring diagrams. mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 27 16:11:43 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED50125849A5 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 16:11:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-10v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-10v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9A102580AC0 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 16:11:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-ch2-11v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.107]) by resqmta-ch2-10v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id wNEd1o00C2Ka2Q501NEd9o; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 22:14:37 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.5] ([71.196.165.168]) by resomta-ch2-11v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id wNEc1o00E3eKESF01NEd7N; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 22:14:37 +0000 References: <52.D8.09299.CED27245@cdptpa-oedge02> From: Me Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2014 16:14:27 -0600 To: Randall s=q20140121; t=1411856077; bh=7MoyWpkhAt72WpPQwul7JlPlgRZaBkkN3GoquVAinJk=; h=Received:Received:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-Id:From: Subject:Date:To; b=H+RlWhQx+nrqJAPH/LIAa0CFACrVyFSIbtGLCff11Z60X3jyuDUb7SO4Ivba7mMZx 4gP4mdK1MvQklG2szAox/1BX9bhOjDx6YRepOa8guotEv2FMdlrGE/K/wZyrwuWacC scOIOtp5PbhjioLpQAm01LXpWPvOaoLrFaKeiLRCqomgQOpBE7HoAJdJ8JC1GbDb6Y t4fju5pgiZfhWkQv5lWN9DyVqDYJTbU1i5VnmoWHu2TQMHLAqf8HjyC0dN+wlRSfcu HmdXTaJAEETyF6noAucHWbFAou3VvT6osi05zJyzXbvxbrmmfRN4bD0aj9Us5GDr1L 39aDzpdSxR4/A== Cc: triumph list Subject: Re: [TR] Thanks for the help on Spit vertical link Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Apparently less than 65 ft/lbs. Sent from my iPad On Sep 27, 2014, at 3:36 PM, Randall wrote: >> Most of the force will be shear force on the bolt not pull >> force on the >> threads. That was how it was explained to me. > > Quite true, the threads only get a fraction of the force. How big is a fraction of a half ton? > > Randall > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/levilevi@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 27 17:53:48 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 716F92584444 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 17:53:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A11522580449 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 17:52:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55002] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id F7/76-24556-85E47245; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 23:55:05 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Me'" Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2014 16:55:01 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac/aoG1GiJc0v9tNQjmjCou72y6FmgADdf4Q Cc: 'triumph list' Subject: Re: [TR] Thanks for the help on Spit vertical link Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Apparently less than 65 ft/lbs. Ok, I'll buy that. So the force nearly doubles during panic breaking. Is your new joint twice as strong as the old one? Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 27 18:00:14 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34BF22584619 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 18:00:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E3A425804CB for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 18:00:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55003] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 07/00-09299-C3057245; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 00:03:08 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Mark J Bradakis'" , "'Triumphs'" Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2014 17:03:04 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac/an2U6j3LwFTrTQK2NoOpwJnqrrgAD5jfQ Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 seat belt buzzer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > Now when you turn the key to start it, the "Fasten Belts" > light comes on and the buzzer buzzes. How > on earth did the bypass which was working fine for many years > suddenly becomes unbypassed? Had that happen with an old VW Rabbit. Previous owner had cut and twisted together the wires to the seat belt sensor. The wires in the twist oxidized until the module thought the switch was open (meaning the belt wasn't fastened). > Wonder what > the son really did behind the dash? TIme to look at some > wiring diagrams. To disable it forever, remove the plug from the module then cut and splice the white/orange to the white/red. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 27 20:15:32 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 939C02580BA2 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 20:15:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-po-07v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-07v.sys.comcast.net [96.114.154.166]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C76D258093C for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 20:15:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-po-07v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.231]) by resqmta-po-07v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id wSHt1o0024zp9eg01SJQnv; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 02:18:24 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.5] ([71.196.165.168]) by resomta-po-07v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id wSJM1o00G3eKESF01SJPk9; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 02:18:24 +0000 References: From: Me Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2014 20:18:12 -0600 To: Randall s=q20140121; t=1411870704; bh=muwGfUeEb5ABCYiP2PwUcJ8Mv4bdwcykCDEXYiUx2Os=; h=Received:Received:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-Id:From: Subject:Date:To; b=kGybhhOl+VBbtN/QprSjy5BwxJWs3uYESBDixObaCuhd6/YoYSn8/qB3DK+h78bwn YUhzJciDb0GbpIiQof7cHSGmo5DCEeNJyUMrVNdIXqSabg7lMUtyiOkboFCleyw0Ys OE0xlKUAMjd2s8j/xRdYhAEl9jpgXNISfpT4fwHP1rVplVyziNGQcNfxyliCeA2vn0 5shNfgcOeze+xAbkbwSC64lO3vkwIGDNj+RFtVk63+kPGbLwYcsL/v/ujKYlWqUW3B k7o37j74+blt9JFKAg74/WBY1RB5ZVzr5a3RqPYdYn/wcsaKHeFbCMRZujM0g3aHqB Qnp2IFYO67SBQ== Cc: triumph list Subject: Re: [TR] Thanks for the help on Spit vertical link Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I trust that Standard Triumph engineers designed brake systems and specifications to include the possibility of panic braking. We should park them if they didn't. Bud Sent from my iPad > On Sep 27, 2014, at 5:55 PM, Randall wrote: > > >> Apparently less than 65 ft/lbs. > > Ok, I'll buy that. So the force nearly doubles during panic breaking. Is your new joint twice as strong as the old one? > > Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 27 23:25:47 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DFFE25844B1 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 23:25:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.231]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB0712580A07 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 23:25:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55003] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 16/84-21599-86C97245; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 05:28:09 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Me'" Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2014 22:28:05 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac/awnzWfIGxHXKmT42ZBCDpl18SPwAGdIqw Cc: 'triumph list' Subject: Re: [TR] Thanks for the help on Spit vertical link Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I trust that Standard Triumph engineers designed brake systems and > specifications to include the possibility of panic braking. Well, perhaps I misunderstood. They also did not design critical bolted joints such that missing one or two threads would cause them to fail. You posted "The first time I followed the hell coil instructions and counter sunk the hell coil just a bit. As it turns out the caliper bolt need those few extra threads at the very top of the hole. As it turns out the caliper bolt need those few extra threads at the very top of the hole." I'm just suggesting that there might be something else going on, that's all. Carry on, Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 28 00:40:10 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79AB625806C5 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 00:40:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-09v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-09v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EDE725806C5 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 00:40:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.11]) by resqmta-ch2-09v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id wWj11o0010EZKEL01Wj1wD; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 06:43:02 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.5] ([71.196.165.168]) by omta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id wWj01o0063eKESF3MWj1n0; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 06:43:01 +0000 References: <16.84.21599.86C97245@cdptpa-oedge03> From: Me Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 00:42:51 -0600 To: Randall s=q20140121; t=1411886582; bh=0YWdFGxK2z102xK3kW/CvkU+HzXdiZ2hnH2kW3v4kUI=; h=Received:Received:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-Id:From: Subject:Date:To; b=YxFOzh53x6LaQuAAok9f5aIR881baUFYq5ReC+xV1aHOCMQwVvjUCKBJKplTbscOJ 3Rua6oQs40htBsAklAK0my6/cIyJY5zRSBUNidAq7Spk2vvwe7qQ3Kz3SrWaXN6/uj 14Hd7dVI1Hr46ajP47bvCXb+Bpn1gypEIPtAOiFoA9oDyDmTGMiJdIbOu+yTLvICPU Po/LoATppbLsW/HhD1/QxBPiAAx2lX4sAlUFbLPl/3fCWeS52Vq3w+DLZg+/aEAl58 JNeBBTDvNOI6JBMcigtksIwstm7t570xD7fU9FC5r8UeLvRjRhrON2kepg5KX7apUY QPjKYeFaeAakg== Cc: triumph list Subject: Re: [TR] Thanks for the help on Spit vertical link Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The important thing is if the bolt can be tightened to 65 ft/lbs. That's the design spec with or without a heli coil. One way worked one didn't. Unlike some I do like my car to be safe. I'm ok with the bolt at 65 ft/ lbs with a heli coil. Sent from my iPad > On Sep 27, 2014, at 11:28 PM, Randall wrote: > > >> I trust that Standard Triumph engineers designed brake systems and >> specifications to include the possibility of panic braking. > > Well, perhaps I misunderstood. They also did not design critical bolted joints such that missing one or two threads would cause > them to fail. You posted > "The first time I followed the hell coil > instructions and counter sunk the hell coil just a bit. As it turns out the > caliper bolt need those few extra threads at the very top of the hole. As it turns out the caliper bolt need those few extra > threads at the very top of the hole." > > I'm just suggesting that there might be something else going on, that's all. > > Carry on, > Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 28 03:33:30 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C51D25844B9 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 03:33:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.230]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46E002580BDC for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 03:32:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55002] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 14/37-09299-376D7245; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 09:35:47 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Me'" Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 02:35:43 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac/a53TdftRVWpdZSeK18lTT5/CyAgAGATKQ Cc: 'triumph list' Subject: Re: [TR] Thanks for the help on Spit vertical link Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > The important thing is if the bolt can be tightened to 65 > ft/lbs. I guess we all have our priorities. Mine would be that the bolt not rip out when I pounce on the brakes. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 28 10:56:39 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B17B42584459 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 10:56:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-11v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-11v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 706BF25809E2 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 10:56:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-ch2-20v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.116]) by resqmta-ch2-11v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id wgzS1o0012XD5SV01gzXxf; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 16:59:31 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.196.165.168]) by resomta-ch2-20v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id wgzV1o0093eKESF01gzWsA; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 16:59:31 +0000 From: Bud R Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 10:59:29 -0600 References: <14.37.09299.376D7245@cdptpa-oedge02> To: Randall s=q20140121; t=1411923571; bh=Ys0PZ4rTuopg2F4AiHHrvVSArZYdCXtpfbOrlbiz0hU=; h=Received:Received:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:From:Date: Message-Id:To; b=F4xMU8Z0BBiMya0KgB0JkJ30mNpzb/ybWKqWqti3Tlvf6I42rI4JCg3MbfshfE1Sl fB3IBsF4zCDJcH7SBVwOw+859Dl39Mp9J6gq6hsMZ/rHLNTeYwXow9lA9FSGNVwimD ExB8AjFU6ruFYxb5s9MenfPl9m79QbVAXCM862iAVLvM8d+W6FnvdLzi287iBWv0W8 1Fu7XIZwzT3CjhfJHRKlnlVWjzAOJWzF6TkVhu1WNMY2Hj8KEZ849d9kxD2qSagZOb olLOS/BzeR5+nT7nrUQxTfrtbohHVI5Ai+J+UrsBd9GsmN/kfmd+76BK2GM/5oaBqd S8sYOtxSlC7yg== Cc: triumph list Subject: Re: [TR] Thanks for the help on Spit vertical link Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I dont understand why you think that would happen. Is there some information about hell coils not working that youre not referencing? Bud Rolofson Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Sep 28, 2014, at 3:35 AM, Randall wrote: > >> The important thing is if the bolt can be tightened to 65 >> ft/lbs. > > I guess we all have our priorities. Mine would be that the bolt not rip out when I pounce on the brakes. > > Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 28 11:47:44 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B2D12584480 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 11:47:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.225]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7EB525843DC for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 11:47:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55003] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id F6/66-21599-65A48245; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 17:50:14 +0000 From: "Randall" Cc: "'triumph list'" Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 10:50:11 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac/bPZQGUXEmQZLFRLKpyTMG9dp1fAABiTxQ Subject: Re: [TR] Thanks for the help on Spit vertical link Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I dont understand why you think that would happen. Is there > some information > about hell coils not working that youre not referencing? No, Heli-coils are fine. But the joint should not have failed just because you left out the last turn of Heli-coil (as directed). There is likely something else going on. My point is that the maximum stress on those threads is more than just the initial 65 ftlb. So just because it held when you torqued the bolt down does not mean it will hold in service. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 28 12:10:22 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26A3925844D3 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 12:10:22 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-ch2-08v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-08v.sys.comcast.net [69.252.207.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 746412580951 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 12:10:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-ch2-10v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.106]) by resqmta-ch2-08v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id wiDB1o0012JGN3p01iDEvD; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 18:13:14 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.196.165.168]) by resomta-ch2-10v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id wiDC1o00B3eKESF01iDDeQ; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 18:13:14 +0000 From: Bud R Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 12:13:12 -0600 References: To: Randall s=q20140121; t=1411927994; bh=7cyU6VeVGO1DjP8SRMpnm2Sdd+JBbut7dLblOsZfX0A=; h=Received:Received:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:From:Date: Message-Id:To; b=JZcVlTPvCESsECz8koNO8GyrPC3AcqT//4HziNTOyyZTVFImc/R4+YruwdFPcHxIM OuXqzmr79YNdY2Lo/EqxnYx7kgByuzHg6P18kKe34EVNMu+0DLhU6gP2rJOTCN4zhX nRcHzfoSXyOSCzZhkFZ7lnMMrvlvvxU+oB3JhZvuEPbExBtgVsZe+wo8d8uq8A20oy 867XBhzz3KYX4bwWKzhydQYkGR4znLjeO5vKcTyAtF1AJ1YDkm+NOmpPPNnRG3lJ6D 4Cqv83lvp20YmviZTdx50wZl75iCOkfKmHhLPdPutiwilRfzzMw9oloCsZsbjDwTzA XBHuPXBGl1Pbw== Cc: triumph list Subject: Re: [TR] Thanks for the help on Spit vertical link Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Since weve come full circle on this subject Ill stop. Regards, Bud Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car) 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Sep 28, 2014, at 11:50 AM, Randall wrote: >> I dont understand why you think that would happen. Is there >> some information >> about hell coils not working that youre not referencing? > > No, Heli-coils are fine. But the joint should not have failed just because > you left out the last turn of Heli-coil (as directed). > There is likely something else going on. > > My point is that the maximum stress on those threads is more than just the > initial 65 ftlb. So just because it held when you > torqued the bolt down does not mean it will hold in service. > > Randall > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/levilevi@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 28 13:02:00 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B08312584522 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 13:02:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m09.mx.aol.com (omr-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53683258454D for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 13:01:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-maa01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-maa01.mx.aol.com [172.26.222.143]) by omr-m09.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 487C27035DAB4; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 15:04:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mod005c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mod005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.196.17]) by mtaomg-maa01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 0F31038000084; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 15:04:50 -0400 (EDT) References: To: TR3driver@ca.rr.com Received: from 24.178.245.124 by webmail-va088.sysops.aol.com (149.174.105.66) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 28 Sep 2014 15:04:50 -0400 From: Dave Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 15:04:50 -0400 x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20140625; t=1411931090; bh=m0c0OPt9pvXrbadKEgQbKmo7ZxHmb6KBYeEaqhCYVIk=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=NziP1X+9eQwGjHN0hlAxFJp7xgKy2eBI0zSmZNv+CAY6NMN2kFDMPpeJPWUM3xJDt SorPMt8lCHoiOl141RUTWmXGOwpGhx9cMrdL0A1/Rj1uOH5Nh3RBS2IImDXJnhuRxH PRyQHkzN+cODqrOOmxoj/8AnWsfzsKW8lY6mKwaw= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1ade8f54285bd255cd Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Thanks for the help on Spit vertical link Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Here's my two cent's worth. The bolt is in shear. The clamping force applied to one brake pad by the piston is balanced out the pad and piston on the other side. TR6's are notorious for having woobly spindles but even so the pads and pistons should shift back and forth quite easily applying very little force on the bolt. The considerable force applied to the caliper bolts are the braking force applied in shear and what little offset there might be. However, I agree with Randall in that if adding one thread means the difference between the bolt taking the torque and not taking it, you have a marginal situation. Normal overdesign is much greater than a few percent. It should be closer to 2 to 1 or greater. So, why did the first attempt fail? Could it be that the hole is so large that there is little material into which the helicoil tap can cut threads? when it failed the first time did the coil itself pull out any? If you do have a failure the sequence of events will be the bolt pulls out a bit loosing its torque setting and now the bolt is loose. It will shake and back itself out until the caliper is free to rotate on the other bolt when it could drop inwards and the caliper bridge piece rides on the disc. This will be noticeable by the sound it makes. The other possibility is it will fall outward and start rubbing the ID of the wheel, Depending on the wheel design it could cause the wheel to lock up at an inopportune time. I'm not trying to scare you but I want to see you at the next VTR. And the one after that. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Randall Cc: 'triumph list' Sent: Sun, Sep 28, 2014 12:50 pm Subject: Re: [TR] Thanks for the help on Spit vertical link > I dont understand why you think that would happen. Is there > some information > about hell coils not working that youre not referencing? No, Heli-coils are fine. But the joint should not have failed just because you left out the last turn of Heli-coil (as directed). There is likely something else going on. My point is that the maximum stress on those threads is more than just the initial 65 ftlb. So just because it held when you torqued the bolt down does not mean it will hold in service. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dave1massey@cs.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 28 13:45:14 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 524A22584A30 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 13:45:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C64625844C2 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 13:44:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F1C42C01EE for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 13:47:31 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 13:47:31 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26.1 To: 'Triumphs' References: <07.00.09299.C3057245@cdptpa-oedge02> Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 seat belt buzzer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Randall wrote: > > To disable it forever, remove the plug from the module then cut and splice the white/orange to the white/red. So where is this module located? I'm not as experienced with the later cars as the earlier ones. mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 28 14:56:03 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D78D2584A98 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 14:56:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm3-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm3-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.154]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3D0A258043B for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 14:55:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.172] by nm3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2014 20:58:20 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.241] by tm18.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2014 20:58:20 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1050.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2014 20:58:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 37980 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Sep 2014 20:58:20 -0000 s=s1024; t=1411937900; bh=siv33PtufliNxZgt1DOJp0z6fq4cNJdyx3EfXWpOYZs=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=X32A0HFoRn/jH6glhVGsxTx+prLlIRYtDxPwwijepD9FwiZcduS+2dVsL0/N8FcazV//GMvucpCMG2F3gnaKyxcHZXfWdQNNCG+7qFDhuuQcsQLimX1+2jUpmOehNPCvz0BdodCiukCSzYUlkueW2SD44MxhCkjjjOGLQwfZ89U= QvR81ovGhxAe4ny3HY.ck7k25vI2FdIC4uTll9_W5sI2uzi4WWmz0cv27.vY UKsrVCVDH02iGDbY0QObIt5uHNttx34kz6EsoxhdqQ4L5tRYW99U5fwRJ7Lk o3ZEfF_CGxmCfdkZfS6TSLBP010CTQyzw0UCixfWNT1uupXqo2eYNJEfbTJz wH31mGISgqE2nQyq23NAoS8gKAt0bkj2gWXAaVGMdBUDRZabyvyU3bs0Bf.M XPOCqgCutdOFzAmrtfjR9ZCr6ZlZC4DnqNWuBkOafGLGW4RSoag9qXt._WN9 lBrN_UjglzK10LHjsOrS06oG8J.1kSMOdFKV0atOaQQSIZocG9Xf1Am4aJla 5G7h1lGT8YbbFox54cnjMhpzP9hBXbqn4lBms8FtrNdyvHRw5HrGj2_9avAl gHNGysN0iKD26QWY6Zu4Ulk4VllVtiXyPyeM9fP.zw24OzG8HaCF_CbjH0t7 eQHykXkR5AdnvECR.NyJdbabwabJLOcw1Xicz4RsymxfxfYNVoIFCv7nmMSO u.KLjTxsw3mmvolYXHBtEhmJVAKXFvVx5zZJDs.aNl_oYj3P_VP_z5ZZbeif b9g-- Received: from [166.137.145.109] by web142706.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 13:58:19 PDT Cg0KWWVzLi4uLi4uLi4ucmlnaHQgYXQgdGhlIG1vZHVsZSBwbHVnIGluIHRoZSBwYXNzZW5nZXIgc2lkZSB1bmRlci1kYXNoLg0KDQoNCi0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLQ0KT24gU3VuLCBTZXAgMjgsIDIwMTQgMjo0NyBQTSBDRFQgTWFyayBKIEJyYWRha2lzIHdyb3RlOg0KDQo.UmFuZGFsbCB3cm90ZToNCj4NCj4.DQo.PiBUbyBkaXNhYmxlIGl0IGZvcmV2ZXIsIHJlbW92ZSB0aGUgcGx1ZyBmcm9tIHRoZSBtb2R1bGUgdGhlbiBjdXQgYW5kIHNwbGljZSB0aGUgd2hpdGUvb3JhbmdlIHQBMAEBAQE- Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 13:58:19 -0700 From: Chad To: mark@bradakis.com, triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 seat belt buzzer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Yes.........right at the module plug in the passenger side under-dash. ------------------------------ On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 2:47 PM CDT Mark J Bradakis wrote: >Randall wrote: > >> >> To disable it forever, remove the plug from the module then cut and splice the white/orange to the white/red. > >So where is this module located? I'm not as experienced with the later cars as the earlier ones. > >mjb. > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumph74tr6@yahoo.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 28 17:40:42 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B418825809FA for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 17:40:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm5-vm2.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm5-vm2.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2107C258081C for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 17:40:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.161] by nm5.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2014 23:43:34 -0000 Received: from [66.196.81.143] by tm7.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2014 23:43:34 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1019.access.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2014 23:43:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 44314 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Sep 2014 23:43:34 -0000 s=s1024; t=1411947814; bh=ahEuDRV/Hl9ZKQBth1PnLRlTV7Rndv50PfLUpl0hQ5c=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=odT3yOyz3sg8JgsjLwo+rErKXQ1pe7U5tgLRirEGwazSyMHcBCQLMRhRufNlAs5CVW3JNXDmONxxYYESdCMtZbU8/hdlGrC1t5jVJdLi9mA99F7ZYoqaUPocEbSLhBgoDs+GF0ki1fBJs23OJvCsL916PZa2z+ovNAyuB+o0pp4= UoOPe1oh5dRMVwE4pKTtwTu6vq7wPi6_ZjX40s5N6giGMPTqQqRP1Pb_7Bmk fP_bQVF_KvYT8easwWV8DCWpvXPAANLAiJljMXFRLTOOQfx6DYJq.L46RquF traCy15D7BKRypqM_gRPtbI7gWG9iMmzQ7xB8zntwcVk7T1.6D4_al8shYfx sElLUza6SczcrBxhgCiUdvfZrY3dt_SU9cYSDcO8N.qAT_glyEJ9nFKV3N9z Oa9XMksTUSLxeoeJtYoRcDzVuvmeKUWvxr05a55ZzGCkVDlUzSINGTjU6i3g j5nmWL9b4GHk6XqV0QcslIOIUrJ.EjqunyKDW5VXs5j8Jgcqemc1gOB1Wh.o gPFZ1glzdSBP_wnsHwFBi1AhZnjSccJhHS.xbQ.rr40K9_rCHWwaEak1_B.k h3w.5EWSiH.C.BTQDzzsXWPaYl5FutgCkTnxn80oNo1YtXwK2Gk7OolMXO_r KUKSgHrzKGiNDCDgQ46QJLD9GC7Uu5pW15Wq7rqe1zY2qSwq2iEHTH.i4Vbj hkUKqm06ALSq30i245.EI Received: from [32.212.196.148] by web180901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 16:43:34 PDT SSBoYXZlIGJlZW4gdHJ5aW5nIHRvIHJlbW92ZSB0aGUgcmVhciBjeWxpbmRlciBhbmQgaXRzIGJlaW5nIGhlbGQgaW4gYnkgYSBwbGF0ZSB0aGF0IHNsaWRlcyB1cCBhbmQgZG93biB3aXRoIGl0LiBJdCBkb2Vzbid0IHNlZW0gdG8gY29tZSBmcmVlLCBEb2VzIGFueW9uZSBoYXZlIGFueSBpZGVhcz8gIHRoYW5rcywgSm9lCgEwAQEBAQ-- Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 16:43:34 -0700 From: JOSEPH MATO To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] TR-3 rear brake cylinder Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I have been trying to remove the rear cylinder and its being held in by a plate that slides up and down with it. It doesn't seem to come free, Does anyone have any ideas? thanks, Joe ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 28 17:45:31 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F4682584530 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 17:45:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo202.cox.net (fed1rmfepo202.cox.net [68.230.241.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 357CD2580821 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 17:45:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo110 ([68.230.241.159]) by fed1rmfepo202.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20140928234827.NWKZ8128.fed1rmfepo202.cox.net@fed1rmimpo110> for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 19:48:27 -0400 Received: from PBR2 ([70.189.240.125]) by fed1rmimpo110 with cox id wnoS1o0092j24ku01noSfo; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 19:48:26 -0400 a=izfUicukdOpcIldU0IRT7A==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=l6nnCZ5v70wMWQA1w-cA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=rzSo3inbiVIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=izfUicukdOpcIldU0IRT7A==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) smtp.auth=jpaynepbr@cox.net From: "Jonas Payne" To: "'JOSEPH MATO'" , References: Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 16:48:30 -0700 Thread-Index: AQGWHdp1p+p0rQRggFxMXpAoHANHRZyKsPVw Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR-3 rear brake cylinder Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net There are actually 2 or 3 thin pieces to this assy. If you look closely, there are some tabs that interlock the pieces together. You need to get a screwdriver between the shims to clear the tabs. One piece goes in from the right and the other from the left of the cyl. If they are in rough shape and need to be replaced anyway, you can pound the tabs flat with a punch and hammer. Jonas Payne PBR Consulting Services, LLC 702.882.6711 -----Original Message----- From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of JOSEPH MATO Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 4:44 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR-3 rear brake cylinder I have been trying to remove the rear cylinder and its being held in by a plate that slides up and down with it. It doesn't seem to come free, Does anyone have any ideas? thanks, Joe ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jpaynepbr@cox.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 28 20:36:06 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39D062580A0E for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 20:36:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm12-vm9.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm12-vm9.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.248]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E29125809FA for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 20:35:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.159] by nm12.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2014 02:38:57 -0000 Received: from [66.196.81.135] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2014 02:38:56 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1011.access.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2014 02:38:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 38513 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Sep 2014 02:38:56 -0000 s=s1024; t=1411958336; bh=FWw5PlFCmVlaFt1lnpLEAQ36uv4Hd6BwYyIA72uOlbg=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ziPnW7zzTfd6ttHQOps6Rcl9dKzs0QWdreKtr5L1MNZcqsU2HdHLpIbhkLR1ciPiklODb+zKz2uZF55tNvvYGJ/vNZB0q6dL9jhnVBENjjLSdElJ+nQd7TYnb6cuiHEOCA2aWIwX6FtLxzg7edCC6g43+fReI2kzxEJyl27UJi4= AhrLAYTAgLthEpxWSyAOq2N7cK8q4OlbyTRqvjbe_NAQoktU0my2FmB35X7c dEgv_lO1VuZB1PGnf0iF3uikzYBuNKzufaIHiM5jlOsf6u09yNzXt77vB4Vv PRnRJY6RcCTTFK3a3YfZXNM5g3kZbKA17.s9lITTlRzfl4_k3nYcx9WXIzIb h21zC.5nVKP9Vcp8_KLgc.qADe4xdNOMAQhcexxvEQVi8.x1ZCqQpQoJYTfj F2SudZOPEwpjrEbo9wi1f1JE7qf.PmPMX7zhLncBZdA7l9E1rIArMAqksM1W lsbgCUmWZ9WA4GbPqCQOg_cORGj4BSMvcpQz7B4KYTixh1xmY3vWQaNncwLo g6uAAqlDiva2CaYM97fwLTnOJEq5ZSo621r8F.Kt3LY82Sa9W_R8PPRRcfMq qZKtl_PmDOqvPx6NN2PaUKaLnyGFaZdwjGpdAqIAsx9nXjo7jBwo5HMAOoup a._QG4fz13CPQK26TSZa7j.SCI14MjWERAaQ6oBw9kt879D8y.N9CjosqRjM rBR2E Received: from [69.110.215.33] by web180902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 19:38:56 PDT ICAgICBEcml2aW5nIGhvbWUgdG9uaWdodCBJIHNwaWVkIGEgcmVkIFRSM0Egd2l0aCBhIHdoaXRlIG9yIHRhbiBzb2Z0IHRvcCB1cCBkcml2aW5nIHRocm91Z2ggUGFsbWRhbGUsIENBIG9uIEhpZ2h3YXkgMTQgYXQgYWJvdXQgNToxNSBQTS4gQXQgYWJvdXQgNTo0NSBJIHNhdyBhIGRhcmsgYmx1ZSBvciBncmVlbiBUUjYgdGh1bmRlcmluZyBkb3duIFRlaGFjaGFwaSBXaWxsb3cgU3ByaW5ncyByb2FkIGdvaW5nIHNvdXRoLiBXZXJlIHRob3NlIGFueW9uZSBvbiB0aGUgbGlzdD8gSSBndWVzcyB0aGF0IHRoZXkBMAEBAQE- Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 19:38:56 -0700 From: William Brewer To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] TR3 & 6 Sightings Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Driving home tonight I spied a red TR3A with a white or tan soft top up driving through Palmdale, CA on Highway 14 at about 5:15 PM. At about 5:45 I saw a dark blue or green TR6 thundering down Tehachapi Willow Springs road going south. Were those anyone on the list? I guess that they were coming back from Triumphest in Santa Maria. Just curious. -Bill Brewer Tehachapi, CA ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 29 01:14:27 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CE3F258456D for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2014 01:14:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D68F258051C for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2014 01:13:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55090] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 44/03-13975-B5709245; Mon, 29 Sep 2014 07:16:44 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'JOSEPH MATO'" , Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2014 00:16:43 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac/bdgaTz+NBB7g9T5a8EY0Y9LfYggAPkhfQ Subject: Re: [TR] TR-3 rear brake cylinder Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > I have been trying to remove the rear cylinder and its being > held in by a plate that slides up and down with it. It > doesn't seem to come free, Does anyone have any ideas? thanks, Joe Should actually be three pieces, two larger plates and a small one; each with a slot that fits over the neck of the cylinder. One of the larger plates has tabs that engage slots in the other large plate. You'll have to jamb a screwdriver or something in there to disengage the tabs, then tap out the plate that has it's opening towards the brake lever. Once it is out, work the lever out of place and the other two tabs should come out easily with the lever out of the way. You can find basically the same instructions in the appendix to the factory workshop manual (later edition with the TR3 supplement). http://goo.gl/Oz0eOM Note that the drawing they gave (which is copied in many other places) is wrong. But the text description is correct. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 29 05:40:07 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ECC12584487 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2014 05:40:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m09.mx.aol.com (omr-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E82225803CC for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2014 05:37:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mac01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mac01.mx.aol.com [172.26.222.207]) by omr-m09.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 864AF703608D9; Mon, 29 Sep 2014 07:40:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-moe004c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-moe004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.77]) by mtaomg-mac01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 597E338000084; Mon, 29 Sep 2014 07:40:28 -0400 (EDT) References: <1411958336.93733.YahooMailNeo@web180902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> To: wsb1960tr3a@att.net, triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Received: from 68.188.78.74 by webmail-vm104.sysops.aol.com (149.174.155.158) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 29 Sep 2014 07:40:28 -0400 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2014 07:40:28 -0400 x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20140625; t=1411990828; bh=2WlMLaIaLLUMlWbJ3KNkyz0E3XW99ZI9LHTaKGUD5pc=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=diIIBEzS2KErIfNAfK7RuFV0Zq9FFEgXMBjuOGZfVpMhHbpzTNN7Oiyyy9ven1gM4 O7Kp99JG3pVHpXxnfsoMFq9GYNiDJXD9MWJm+sFdodvJW0kIvCXz7srE+UdmeLBu6C eJEN9Ppxwg436wx5eg248NBs3s3HnxXJEN50gWYY= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1adecf5429452c3fb2 Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 & 6 Sightings Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I saw a red TR3A on Miss Marple last night. Right Hand Drive. Dave -----Original Message----- From: William Brewer To: Triumphs Sent: Sun, Sep 28, 2014 9:39 pm Subject: [TR] TR3 & 6 Sightings Driving home tonight I spied a red TR3A with a white or tan soft top up driving through Palmdale, CA on Highway 14 at about 5:15 PM. At about 5:45 I saw a dark blue or green TR6 thundering down Tehachapi Willow Springs road going south. Were those anyone on the list? I guess that they were coming back from Triumphest in Santa Maria. Just curious. -Bill Brewer Tehachapi, CA ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dave1massey@cs.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 29 06:42:54 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 254882584AE8 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2014 06:42:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa09-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa09-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.233]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6FFC258084B for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2014 06:42:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([71.210.229.165]) by p3plsmtpa09-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id x0lm1o00P3alfWF010lnhs; Mon, 29 Sep 2014 05:45:47 -0700 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2014 06:45:15 -0600 From: David Porter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: "Triumphs (triumphs@autox.team.net)" Subject: [TR] Congratulations Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net To Doug B from Nebraska who took a first in class for his 1968 TR GT6+ at the Santa Fe Concorso yesterday. I doubt that one any better exists.. Dave -- Dave Porter Porter Custom Bicycles 2909 Arno St. NE Albuquerque, NM 87107 505-352-1378 Go HERE: my world www.porterbikes.com/ ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 29 06:52:07 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D1502584AFA for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2014 06:52:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.230]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F03C2580A1C for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2014 06:51:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [108.167.51.25] ([108.167.51.25:65198] helo=livingroompc) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 89/38-00698-97659245; Mon, 29 Sep 2014 12:54:18 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: "David Porter" , References: <5429545B.5000109@porterscustom.com> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2014 07:54:16 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Congratulations Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Dave, Doug Buchanan is in my club, he used to vintage race a GT6 (different car), the GT6 was restored by another member of my club (Flatwater Austin Healey) Bob Weddington who lives in Lincoln with me, and did a true home/amateur I did it all myself restoration on the car several years ago, we have compared notes and swapped parts over the years, I don't think Doug is on the list, or if he is he is a lurker, same with Bob, I will pass the congrats on to both, Regards, Greg Lemon ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 29 08:02:25 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00C772584ADF for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2014 08:02:25 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f52.google.com (mail-wg0-f52.google.com [74.125.82.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 388C62580539 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2014 08:01:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f52.google.com with SMTP id n12so11442277wgh.23 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2014 07:04:48 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=FtCSQnfp91aci5r1Vrl/GfcV0p74OOFBWWwu64YP4lg=; b=IANQRCpemc8Lf/szCv7As6clpxhc+vNks7g8w4I81zdW4LhRpnpPQaFqi8UNnhR4Wa lPMWhT3D1u1f/81rZMBtWuF1y5OVxDIOFnu2iNEvrrX/QtuHsbSLYV3J0Qbgxi4NwiBR NLj/SGT1whX5SEu5DBx3rkyZSGz59FWssM1tCHElmBb2SSdk7C5VTduuan/+85FRPHvs naVCgd5S28cspoDa6aYL8Wk98stsqVaL4Ry831wQcWYt2hoeOpbh6fkSZzOduaw06Ba/ U2h9zTBCHiFQgVt6o78r2zDoE0cXOWNwN/T1nOfeQm/zOm/k/3r9oXL+BZ5AykFtOj3S M+JQ== el3mr48051114wib.13.1411999488069; Mon, 29 Sep 2014 07:04:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.27.134.70 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Sep 2014 07:04:48 -0700 (PDT) References: <079093AF-A3FC-483C-B8D7-AF5D1D64D806@comcast.net> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2014 10:04:48 -0400 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: Bud R Cc: triumph list Subject: Re: [TR] Thanks for the help on Spit vertical link Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 1:00 PM, Bud R wrote: > The first time I followed the hell coil > instructions and counter sunk the hell coil just a bit. As it turns out the > caliper bolt need those few extra threads at the very top of the hole. I set > the hell coil at the top and there was enough threads to hold the needed > torque. Unless the bolt is too short for some reason, I don't see how this could be the case. I would expect a Heli-Coil to work fine in any application where it's installed according to directions. The only time I've had one fail is when the underlying material is too weak (usually due to insufficient thread depth in the oversize hole), and the insert pulls out under torque. This doesn't sound like your case, since you found that less insertion leads to a better joint. Perhaps it went all the way through the underlying piece the first time? Bear in mind that most Heli-Coils of a given diameter come in several different lengths... Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 29 18:03:15 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B4672584478 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2014 18:03:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp2.execulink.net (smtp2.execulink.net [69.63.44.83]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D39E62580851 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2014 18:03:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from node-8423.tor.pppoe.execulink.com ([69.63.48.234]) by smtp2.execulink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1XYkxD-0004m3-53 for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 29 Sep 2014 20:06:07 -0400 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2014 20:06:08 -0400 From: Angelo Graham User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR2/3 - Hood stay vibration. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Hello List: Trying to track down the annoying vibrations/rattles in my '2 as I am putting more miles on the car. Have a very pronounced rattle at idle which I have tracked down to the hood stay pivot and the possibly the hood catch pivot. (Thanks to Randall for posting the Triumph Service Bulletin covering this issue). The Service Bulletin recommends "packing" these pivots/joints with suitable packing material. What would that be?? Any ideas how to tighten up these riveted joints? I have tried greasing them, with little difference. Would re-pounding these riveted joints help? Thanks for any insights into this one. Angelo Graham ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 29 19:20:23 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7E292584708 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2014 19:20:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.225]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FD3E258074D for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2014 19:20:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55003] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 7F/C4-06419-4060A245; Tue, 30 Sep 2014 01:23:17 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Angelo Graham'" , Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2014 18:23:16 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac/cQlbY9zAg5+bTSpinsJJECak4QAACoDBA Subject: Re: [TR] TR2/3 - Hood stay vibration. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net > The Service Bulletin > recommends "packing" > these pivots/joints with suitable packing material. What > would that be?? 'Kite' string should do. > Any ideas how to tighten up these riveted joints? I have > tried greasing > them, with little difference. Would re-pounding these riveted > joints help? Both of those joints need to be a little bit loose. Have you tried changing the motor mounts? Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 30 15:47:14 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AFC52584640 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2014 15:47:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo101.cox.net (eastrmfepo101.cox.net [68.230.241.213]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99426258054A for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2014 15:46:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eastrmimpo110 ([68.230.241.223]) by eastrmfepo101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20140930214932.SZPI5255.eastrmfepo101.cox.net@eastrmimpo110> for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2014 17:49:32 -0400 Received: from Ronnie ([68.230.167.200]) by eastrmimpo110 with cox id xZpY1o00V4KlQ4L01ZpYY9; Tue, 30 Sep 2014 17:49:32 -0400 a=2ulfDE7peMi56gCercr8pw==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=gqxzx4B_9rocypAnXakA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=1TM7i2lP1nUA:10 a=2ulfDE7peMi56gCercr8pw==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) smtp.auth=rbtr3a@cox.net From: "Ronnie Babbitt" To: "triumphs2 TRlist " Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 17:49:41 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac/c+HBCWbVig4bBTVS+ndkiDKuRSw== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] test Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 30 15:54:55 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24640258054A for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2014 15:54:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo202.cox.net (eastrmfepo202.cox.net [68.230.241.217]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 359EA258054A for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2014 15:54:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eastrmimpo109 ([68.230.241.222]) by eastrmfepo202.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20140930215733.YCOK19010.eastrmfepo202.cox.net@eastrmimpo109> for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2014 17:57:33 -0400 Received: from Ronnie ([68.230.167.200]) by eastrmimpo109 with cox id xZxN1o0024KlQ4L01ZxNJ4; Tue, 30 Sep 2014 17:57:22 -0400 a=2ulfDE7peMi56gCercr8pw==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=q_CtrFQhBQEhIfMzSqIA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=da2FW3IQE5QA:10 a=RynSOpjA68YA:10 a=NL4KS-OBQ_gA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=-NRQnTCFy26Pv0xucMgA:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=2ulfDE7peMi56gCercr8pw==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) smtp.auth=rbtr3a@cox.net From: "Ronnie Babbitt" To: "triumphs2 TRlist " Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 17:57:31 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac/c+OoEanFtZWdqQQmkKPPGxBLNyg== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] GT6 engine rebuild Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net I'm currently helping a friend rebuild his GT6 engine for a project his building.what is the best method to use to ensure that I have the crank and cam timed correctly. When I built my TR3 I got one tooth off and it created a nightmare . I do not want to replicate the same mistake.. ronnie ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 30 16:16:10 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6EF225806B8 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2014 16:16:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm6-vm4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm6-vm4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.218.195]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3511B258054A for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2014 16:16:05 -0600 (MDT) s=s1024; t=1412115547; bh=MD/ue+HGr1BjCEvaMUc/K8UrnlyxNUbBk0R4Y2WIpYU=; b=dmeYc9i0dy5gic3nXOJKQKxYibUVd9GZgMNdqAeQ9yQZU2hZX3lspA/TdmSlWYN7puebSDdCLbWkMrfbzZf45Li0mINPu5ArUwMBnG/todkeo2X7Xo0frxHW8+5gsRtzmU5qCbVAH99J1tm2XK4wWiF05PoGkrPZ+LtXIAoygq0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=flash.net; b=ToSWduveYAZGbYHxdzQc9m80nb7D2QnnJRZax0rGLj14Y9LDBh2k8fI6ZtWK7+fFSa6Mz1sENVjP6eEsHYILUPGLUNClZdMuNMPn/fedMO1tn+uVzdGQik717VJUmGZwqdCzbxazJgoTVrRohO8Vnl98age0FgSOIXF9jonKQRo=; Received: from [98.137.12.61] by nm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2014 22:19:07 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.211] by tm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2014 22:19:07 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp222.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2014 22:19:07 -0000 s=s1024; t=1412115547; bh=MD/ue+HGr1BjCEvaMUc/K8UrnlyxNUbBk0R4Y2WIpYU=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To; b=JvoWmReCNXDGN6T8xMj8Tt2OtjN6z4dTNGvB7aIJeNfPcWWmeruNsq6FlI631sEaXwJLnuzQxmtAPUdjydhciuCodjjO4dMcWjKzMsisRR6Qq8bOMM4E7Y63RqkVV1kApr6apYHpuyFiXdlJhjGzhh29zc3gQ3PhuRIwX7BjPcw= lGmZbzdGGZj.yKtavgIX6aJhC8mZSA6yB8z9jTbux17YVuJMghWmyNNXqkuo JenCeKpBAZIjY.3GxXC7vQhq.wd.gLCUnF.hwQ2swufs9GLKlC3w4yHHT8cQ tCW.6FZRViTNoyGH9x2cRsKHpvy8LGSr5sopXVgjvL1MpxciP9bEWJnMdgs8 1DbK80P1ZwtsRs5lfI84ExKhn3bVtCDH65d5qLD2jT6lIP4.n7xpUrImjEWD V9qo_vA5CMOHUoZn7CBwqo6LYh6dr2msoxu4Zjker1kdfDxjkfBJmJn2GS0i wU7mGFAu6d.6ROfj_O.kSjF3koykXB9gQfeH_qvYiqu060qEqIvtuBBS._NR PvUS.nLMNrqy4vL5.DW0QZ1MvVgCFjOH1zx1BjwLOZz8PAQYSMYCnTqz.dRn 1bX95VhwmRITHDvNn5G6wR1rxkgQoaDNK7DTdj_kv_KO3xvJU5tVmHylgLuC W_6dJhcyeN7KN4fTgz1_RdYYAi.2AD975QMZI.EO6HZ9yeNZWAaIPa7zBRxI EphHghAR1qhDYcZht43ccboyKvJL78_O.K1Jyhvzyp2c- From: "Wbeech@flash.net" Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 17:16:55 -0500 References: <016e01cfdcf8$70f5a2a0$52e0e7e0$@cox.net> To: Ronnie Babbitt Cc: triumphs2 TRlist Subject: Re: [TR] test Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Got it! Sent from mobile Bill On Sep 30, 2014, at 4:49 PM, Ronnie Babbitt wrote: ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Sep 30 17:29:40 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CADC22584D08 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2014 17:29:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75B79258065E for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2014 17:29:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.10] ([unknown] [173.59.227.86]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0NCQ0048AMQ0LLA1@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 30 Sep 2014 18:32:29 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 19:31:48 -0400 From: ptegler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: Ronnie Babbitt , triumphs2 TRlist References: <04e401cfdcf9$88e8f690$9abae3b0$@cox.net> Subject: Re: [TR] GT6 engine rebuild Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net The trick is knowing which side of the cam gear to use. Flipping it over as well as rotating it relative to the bolt holes allows a +/- 4 degree adv/retard of the cam timing. Once happy with the crank position, and the chain gear 'notch' in line with the center lines of the cam and crank, it's the chain on the distributor side of the engine that should be taught if you have the gears lined up correctly. crank and cam in the right position. rotating the cam to the right position can be frustrating at first until you realize it's simply the #1 valve closing just before the #2 valve starts to open.... frustrating as you can not do it with #1 piston AT TDC. So you need to back the piston down a bit...better to move it to the upstroke ... measure the cam center by seeing which valve opens (#1 and #2) ..if all goes well.... putting the chain on and putting the cam sprocket up to the cam the holes should line up easily. see attached page scan manual pic ptegler On 9/30/2014 5:57 PM, Ronnie Babbitt wrote: > I'm currently helping a friend rebuild his GT6 engine for a project his > building.what is the best method to use to ensure that I have the crank and > cam timed correctly. When I built my TR3 I got one tooth off and it created > a nightmare . I do not want to replicate the same mistake.. > > > > > > ronnie > > **triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive:http://www.team.net/archive > Forums:http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ptegler@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive