From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2014 19:57:51 -0400 Subject: [TR] TR4A 400 mile checkup Today I put the TR4A up on jack stands and changed the oil and filter for it's 400 mile check. I started at the rear and worked my way up to the front checking for loose fastners or anything needing attention. All I found was; 1. Driver side rear brake needed adjusting. 2. Added a couple of ty-wraps on the speedometer cable. 3. Passenger side front wheel bearing was a tad loose. 4. retorqued the head and adjusted the valves. 5. I checked the spark plugs and the center electrodes are tan and the rest of the plug was black. Not bad I started installing the rear bumper today. I got as far as getting all the rear fastners and brackets loosely attached. I need to work on the side attachements and then I can start tightening things up. Last Friday, I drove it to work (about 45 miles round trip) and another 40 or so miles yesterday down the Ohio river and back. The reason I am not sure is that the speedometer needs to be rebuilt. It broke two speedometer cables until I caught on and disconnected it. The bearing that the main shaft runs it has stiffened up. I talked to a gauge rebuilder and he said it would take 4 weeks to rebuild Dave Connitt '67 TR4A IRS http://home.fuse.net/davestr4a >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: timipurdy at citlink.net (Tim Purdy) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2014 14:22:45 -0700 Subject: [TR] TR4 Bonnet I have a few problems of late with my '64 Triumph, one being the brake lines. However, yesterday, when I wanted to check the fluid level, the bonnet appears stuck and wont open. How can I easily determine whether the cable is broken. Since the release lever does not open it, is there an alternative to opening it? How frustrating with nice driving weather, and I can't in the TR4. >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: jpaynepbr at cox.net (Jonas Payne) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 08:31:03 -0700 Subject: [TR] Slow Fast Slow Fast References: <9Go41o00b0NyJgq01Go7ap> Look for heat marks/discoloration on your rotors. These "hot spots" are work hardened metal and can cause a pulsation. If you have them, they can't be machined out. They can be caused by using a pad that is too hard. I run the softest pads I can find on all my cars. Jonas Payne PBR Consulting Services, LLC 702.882.6711 ----- >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 03:20:28 -0700 Subject: [TR] Slow Fast Slow Fast > Just checked the rotor > runout and it's > way out of spec on the right and OK (.005) on the left. > > Should I turn both rotors? IMO, replace the right, leave the left alone except for breaking the glaze. If the right rotor warped that badly, then it's almost certainly a bad casting and will just warp again. > They aren't scored; if I turn > them must I put in > new pads? Should be OK to reuse the old pads, if they look alright. But since they normally wear out first, changing them now may mean longer before you change them again. Kind of depends on what your time is worth to change them. Randall >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: thenicholls at verizon.net (thenicholls at verizon.net) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2014 16:22:34 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [TR] LED instrument lights on EBAY Anyone out there purchased and is using these LED instrument lights listed on EBAY? http://www.ebay.com/itm/300923024335?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 Craig 72 Triumph TR6 >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: ptegler at verizon.net (ptegler) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2014 02:54:45 -0400 Subject: [TR] LED instrument lights on EBAY References: <29087932.873617.1401744154230.JavaMail.root@vznit170132> bought a set about a year ago..... nice but more expensive than the sets I've since bought from Sencart.com ..not sure what happened to the pics...but one is still there about second fro mthe last row second pic from teh left. I have sets of red, green, blue, and white. They are all brighter than the ebay units you mention, and half the cost. nfi...just a satified experimenter, I used the green in my Triumph as the speedo and tach already had green lenses over the bulbs inside. now at least ALL my gauges are green. ptegler On 6/2/2014 5:22 PM, thenicholls at verizon.net wrote: > Anyone out there purchased and is using these LED instrument lights listed on EBAY? > > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/300923024335?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 > >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: greg at gelhar.com (greg at gelhar.com) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2014 02:52:05 -0400 Subject: [TR] 1974 TR6 Headrest References: You have to depress the spring steel tab that protrudes from the support post which prevents the headrest from just sliding out. The tab is located on the right side of the headrest shaft. Here is what the little tab looks like that holds them in. The spring action is very stiff. I haven't figured out what tool is necessary to release it. I tried steel shim stock and found the tab would puncture it before pressing in. I have these pictures because I ended up stripping down a seat for recovering. Greg G. Osseo, MN > Does anybody know how the adjustable headrest on a 1974 TR6 comes off. > Got these neat seatbelt guides but I can't figure out if the headrest > comes > out or the second option is to cut the guides. Thanks > Harry Mague >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: moira.secrest at verizon.net (Martin Secrest) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2014 20:38:03 -0400 Subject: [TR] Slow Fast Slow Fast References: <3928A0B5-4489-415E-A01C-AEE73E43614E@verizon.net> Thanks Jeff; basically everything's already in good shape. The machine shop confirmed what I thought. On rotor was way out of spec and has to be replaced. Fortunately they are cheap. > On Jun 2, 2014, at 1:57 PM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > > On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Martin Secrest > wrote: > >> >> Should I turn both rotors? They aren't scored; if I turn them must I put in >> new pads? > > If I recall,t he GT6 rotors are like Spitfire rotors - a solid disk > without much extra thickness. May not be able to turn the warp out of > it. > > I'd be tempted to replace rotors and pads, and make sure to evaluate > the cause - is a caliper sticking? Also a good opportunity to clean > and grease bearings, replace rubber hoses, etc., if that all hasn't > already been done recently. > > But then, I'm an overkill kind of guy. If I go ahead and replace > everything while I'm in there, I don't have to take apart something > right after I just put it back together. > > Jeff Scarbrough > Corrosion Acres, Ga. >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 13:57:19 -0400 Subject: [TR] Slow Fast Slow Fast References: <3928A0B5-4489-415E-A01C-AEE73E43614E@verizon.net> On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Martin Secrest wrote: > > Should I turn both rotors? They aren't scored; if I turn them must I put in > new pads? If I recall,t he GT6 rotors are like Spitfire rotors - a solid disk without much extra thickness. May not be able to turn the warp out of it. I'd be tempted to replace rotors and pads, and make sure to evaluate the cause - is a caliper sticking? Also a good opportunity to clean and grease bearings, replace rubber hoses, etc., if that all hasn't already been done recently. But then, I'm an overkill kind of guy. If I go ahead and replace everything while I'm in there, I don't have to take apart something right after I just put it back together. Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: dave at ranteer.com (dave n) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2014 11:52:19 -0500 Subject: [TR] LED instrument lights on EBAY References: <29087932.873617.1401744154230.JavaMail.root@vznit170132> <538D7135.3060901@verizon.net> I may be the only one, and yes my car is heavily modified for performance, but I rather like the ambiance of the dim gages. yes, they are harder to read, and maybe not so showy perfect. I have another car with new, replacement gages, and they are bright. but there is just something I like about the tr6 cockpit, the wood dash, and those dim gages . . . . >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: moira.secrest at verizon.net (Martin Secrest) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2014 11:55:48 -0400 Subject: [TR] Catalytic Converter for TR6? Bit a strange question: can one retrofit a cat converter to a 72 TR6? What are the requirements other than a place for it under the chassis? Not asking because of any legal requirement, just want to reduce my carbon footprint. Martin Secrest >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: leejohn7 at gmail.com (Lee&John Howard) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 19:27:48 -0700 Subject: [TR] TR4 and Monza ( the blown gasket saga) I know this has been talked about many times, but i can't get into the archives. Would some of you be willing to share your degree of satisfaction with the Monza system that everyone sells for the TR4? I have to replace the headers that came with the car as they are badly warped and not enough thickness to the flange to level off. I've long had an unused 4 in 1 header from Ebay maybe 15 years ago and thought I'd use that with a new pipe and muffler, Interesting about the current exhaust is that the pipe is only 1 5/8" ID, which always looked a bit small, (although the Monza is only 3/8" larger). My machine shop guy says that when increasing the flow via a larger pipe one sacrifices torque to gain revs at higher speeds. A smaller pipe conversely increases torque, which is what the original owner of this car would have wanted for his auto-crossing back in the 60's and 70's. Amazing what i don;t know. Anyway, would appreciate any comments, and thanks. Incidentally, best EBay price is $262 from a commercial seller. John >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: ccsimonsen at gmail.com (Chris Simo) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2014 17:25:33 -0400 Subject: [TR] 4 vs 6 vane water pump impellor References: <002301cf7bd6$7a879f40$6f96ddc0$@ukpips.org.uk> <4C.90.25046.B02B8835@cdptpa-oedge03> I googled the bete noire reference and found a nice cake recipe. My wife loved it. >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob Labuz) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2014 10:20:06 -0400 Subject: [TR] Catalytic Converter for TR6? References: Martin, A converter will have no affect on CO2. It will convert CO to CO2 I think. It may alter other gasses such as SO2 or SO3 and some Nitrogen compounds. But what goes in the converter comes out, maybe in a different form but the same elements. The only way I know of altering elements is by fusion and fission. Also, it will get very hot during operation. It will require a heat shield of some sort. The best bet is to keep your engine in top tune IMO. Bob On 06/03/2014 11:55 AM, Martin Secrest wrote: > Bit a strange question: can one retrofit a cat converter to a 72 TR6? > > What are the requirements other than a place for it under the chassis? > > Not asking because of any legal requirement, just want to reduce my carbon > footprint. > > Martin Secrest >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 07:59:59 -0700 Subject: [TR] Catalytic Converter for TR6? > A converter will have no affect on CO2. It will convert CO to CO2 I > think. Right. Also HC to H2O + CO2; and NOx to N2 + O2 (if you have a "3-way" catalyst). > Also, it will get very hot during operation. It will require a heat > shield of some sort. In order to achieve the reactions, it also needs free oxygen in the input. That means your engine has to either run leaner than normal (so not all the oxygen is consumed by combustion), or you need a air injection system to feed O2 to the converter. My point being that it isn't just a bolt-on device. > The best bet is to keep your engine in top tune IMO. Basically anything that reduces fuel consumption will also lower your "carbon footprint". Randall >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: greg.meythaler at intel.com (Meythaler, Greg) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 16:15:37 +0000 Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 7, Issue 153 References: They're caused by hot spots, but typically you get hot spots because you are using to soft a pad that gets over heated or doesn't have the right heat range. Here is a great reference on the subject: http://www.stoptech.com/technical-support/technical-white-papers/-warped-brak e-disc-and-other-myths -greg ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 08:31:03 -0700 From: "Jonas Payne" To: "'Martin Secrest'" , Subject: Re: [TR] Slow Fast Slow Fast Look for heat marks/discoloration on your rotors. These "hot spots" are work hardened metal and can cause a pulsation. If you have them, they can't be machined out. They can be caused by using a pad that is too hard. I run the softest pads I can find on all my cars. Jonas Payne PBR Consulting Services, LLC 702.882.6711 ----- >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: dave at ranteer.com (dave n) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 18:03:42 -0500 Subject: [TR] Catalytic Converter for TR6? References: others will correct me if I'm wrong - all a cat does I believe is change carbon monoxide to carbon dioxide. I think there are better ways to reduce your carbon footprint. a big one is to drive an old car and save all the energy utilized in the construction of a new vehicle! -----Original Message----- From: Martin Secrest Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2014 10:55 AM To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Catalytic Converter for TR6? Bit a strange question: can one retrofit a cat converter to a 72 TR6? What are the requirements other than a place for it under the chassis? Not asking because of any legal requirement, just want to reduce my carbon footprint. Martin Secrest >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: pdonnel1 at san.rr.com (John & Pat Donnelly) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 21:16:49 -0700 Subject: [TR] TRactor Engine Timing After rebuilding my TR4A engine I've been playing around with the engine timing (advance/retard) to dial in the best performance. The engine has the Moss cam & 87 MM pistons, but everything else is stock. Stock HS6's, stock distributor with Pertronix, new gears and timing chain. The vacuum advance is attached. I never seem to be able to get the full range performance I would expect. I can get low end to be great but the top end suffers. Redial it and the top end is great but low end is sluggish. I dont think the carbs are it, as I've changed to richer needles, made it richer/leaner, and it didn't help. I did learn that a richer mixture seems to hide timing differences. And I got to thinking that the TR4A distributor has an advance limit built into it and was wondering if going to a more full range dizzy would give me that full range performance. Shouldn't the dizzy advance and the cam specs match up? Why the limited advance anyway? BTW, the weather is absolutely bitchin to be driving with top down every day here in San Diego. I'm loving it. Johnnie 67 TR4A >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: jpaynepbr at cox.net (Jonas Payne) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 16:03:13 -0700 Subject: [TR] carpet snap layout Does anybody have a diagram showing the carpet snap layout for a TR3? I replaced the floors in mine, and the old ones were too far gone to make any sense of it. Jonas Payne PBR Consulting Services, LLC 702.882.6711 ----- >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2014 22:31:44 -0600 Subject: [TR] What fun. At the moment, there are 36,753 pending emails on Team.Net waiting to be delivered to subscribers. Most are to Yahoo, AOL, Comcast, Hotmail addresses. You know, small obscure operations. This DMARC stuff is killing me. I wonder how many folks, if any, will actually see this message? mjb. >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2014 00:01:49 -0500 Subject: [TR] What fun. References: <53914430.1080803@bradakis.com> Made it through to me... Tony Drews At 11:31 PM 6/5/2014, Mark J Bradakis wrote: >At the moment, there are 36,753 pending emails on Team.Net waiting >to be delivered to subscribers. >Most are to Yahoo, AOL, Comcast, Hotmail addresses. You know, small >obscure operations. This DMARC >stuff is killing me. > >I wonder how many folks, if any, will actually see this message? > >mjb. > >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: malcolm at ipatch.ca (Malcolm) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 22:15:10 -0700 Subject: [TR] Catalytic Converter for TR6? References: I'm going to do some armchair engineering here, so please feel free to research and refute anything I claim. While you most certainly can retrofit the catalytic converter, it's not the only requirement by far. In order for the catalytic convert to do its job, there needs to be sufficient oxygen in the exhaust to burn up (catalyze...) the extra hydrocarbons. The converter should be located close to the engine (so that it heats up) and as far from the passengers as you can (because it gets hot). If your mixture is too rich then the catalytic converter will overheat. I had an old Ford wagon that had that happen - the converter got bright red. Could be a fire hazard! So, by my speculation, you should have at least an oxygen sensor and some means of automatically adjusting the mixture to compensate / ensure that the converter is working. You may also need an air pump to feed fresh air into the exhaust to make the converter work. A fascinating problem, but is it worth the effort? Also, consider that the manufacture of your new catalytic converter may have involved the mining and refinement of some heavy metals. Will your driving and reduced hydrocarbon output actually offset that? Personally, I would get the mixture adjustment components working first - and test your car after a good tune-up to determine how bad it really is. I suspect that you will affect your carbon footprint more with careful driving and proper maintenance than you would by adding more hardware to the system. M On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 8:55 AM, Martin Secrest wrote: > Bit a strange question: can one retrofit a cat converter to a 72 TR6? > > What are the requirements other than a place for it under the chassis? > > Not asking because of any legal requirement, just want to reduce my carbon > footprint. > > Martin Secrest > >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: 75TR6 at TR6.Danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 16:58:59 -0400 Subject: [TR] 1974 TR6 Headrest References: You can read how to do it here......... http://www.6-pack.org/j15/index.php/forum/15-mechanical-repair-maintenance-a-restoration/249244-Headrest-removal#281896 Very difficult with the covers on the seat. Bob Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/ 1975 Mimosa TR6 TBI, 5 Speed, LSD, CVJs >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 07:10:35 -0500 Subject: [TR] Catalytic Converter for TR6? References: The products of hydrocarbon combustion are water and carbon dioxide. If you want less CO2, as others have said, burn less gasoline. Drive less and more economically. Tune the car well including tire pressures. Air pollution is much more than CO2, and when catalysts were developed it was more about photochemical smog than anything else (CO2 and global warming was being talked about by a few academics, not the population at large). Original two-way catalytic convertors manage incomplete combustion products (unburned hydrocarbons, HC, and carbon monoxide, CO). Modern three-way catalytic convertors in addition manage oxides of nitrogen (NOX), a component of smog and acid rain that results from lean mixtures and hot combustion. Catalytic convertors don't change the fundamental equation that CO2 comes from burning fuel. Don 1962 TR3B TSF202L On 6/3/14, Martin Secrest wrote: > Bit a strange question: can one retrofit a cat converter to a 72 TR6? > > What are the requirements other than a place for it under the chassis? > > Not asking because of any legal requirement, just want to reduce my carbon > footprint. > > Martin Secrest > >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: dave at ranteer.com (dave n) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 14:22:27 -0500 Subject: [TR] goodparts roller bearing clutch mechanism anyone using this? Ibm thinking of getting it. >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 17:19:33 -0400 Subject: [TR] TRactor Engine Timing References: <002e01cf8074$f8f54920$eadfdb60$@rr.com> Hi John, Funny you should post this as I have just about finished by TR4A here in Cincinnati and did a bit of struggling with the tuning also. I have the BPNW 270 degree cam and 87mm pistons but I also have a RevingtonTR 4into1header and mating exhaust and on of those 123 distributors I bought from Darrell many moons ago when he went to Weber carbs. That distributor is kind of pricey now but in my opinion, it really delivers. It has 17 different advance curves in it. Mine is set to have about 10 degrees at 1,000 RPM, a little over 22 degrees at 2,000 RPM and about 31 degrees at 4,500 RPM. I am running 93 octain fuel and have been carefull to listen for pinging during long pulls up hills and such and the engine seems to be tolerating the current timing settings. I only have about 400 miles on the engine so far so I am not pushing it too much but I know it pulls real strong from about 2,000RPM to as high as I dare go now (about 4,000RPM very occasionally). I played around with the needles too, going one step richer but the plugs fouled so I went back to stock and just did a 400 mile tune up and the plug electrodes were tan and the surrounding plug was black. Tuning this thing was way different that any other type of engine I ever fooled with I can tell you that. I found that the float levels really affect the mixture also as you are adjusting the level of fuel at the main jet/needle. Lots of things to think about.. Can you get someone to rev up the engine while you have a set back timing light on it? If so, what do you see timing wise at the 1,000, 2,000 and 4500? Just curious as I think you are right in the problem being timing or more acurately advance related.. Dave Connitt ----- Original Message ----- aFrom: "John & Pat Donnelly" To: "'Triumphs'" Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 12:16 AM Subject: [TR] TRactor Engine Timing > After rebuilding my TR4A engine I've been playing around with the engine > timing (advance/retard) to dial in the best performance. The engine has > the > Moss cam & 87 MM pistons, but everything else is stock. Stock HS6's, stock > distributor with Pertronix, new gears and timing chain. The vacuum advance > is attached. > > I never seem to be able to get the full range performance I would expect. > I > can get low end to be great but the top end suffers. Redial it and the top > end is great but low end is sluggish. > > I dont think the carbs are it, as I've changed to richer needles, made it > richer/leaner, and it didn't help. I did learn that a richer mixture seems > to hide timing differences. > > And I got to thinking that the TR4A distributor has an advance limit built > into it and was wondering if going to a more full range dizzy would give > me > that full range performance. Shouldn't the dizzy advance and the cam specs > match up? > > Why the limited advance anyway? > > BTW, the weather is absolutely bitchin to be driving with top down every > day > here in San Diego. I'm loving it. > > Johnnie > > 67 TR4A >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: 75TR6 at TR6.Danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2014 08:18:02 -0400 Subject: [TR] LED instrument lights on EBAY References: <29087932.873617.1401744154230.JavaMail.root@vznit170132> Yes.... with caveats: - They won't fit in the speedo/tach bulb holes if you still have the green diffuser in the gauge. The bulb is too long and hits the diffuser - They CAN NOT be used for the "idiot" lights or turn signals. LEDs are one way and for the those lights the current needs to flow both ways. Moss also sells bulbs like these and I called tech support about the idiot light problem. They agreed that they won't work and that the item should be noted as such in the catalog..... they also acknowledged getting support calls from people who have used them in the idiot lights. Bob Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/ 1975 Mimosa TR6 TBI, 5 Speed, LSD, CVJs -----Original Message----- From: thenicholls at verizon.net Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 5:22 PM To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: [TR] LED instrument lights on EBAY Anyone out there purchased and is using these LED instrument lights listed on EBAY? http://www.ebay.com/itm/300923024335?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 Craig 72 Triumph TR6 >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: glemon at neb.rr.com (Greg Lemon) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2014 20:11:22 -0500 Subject: [TR] Fw: LED instrument lights on EBAY I ran into the same issue Bob mentions when I tried to use the big LEDS, I did however end up figuring out how to get the LED to work for the turn signal indicator (with a little help from my internet friends) it wasn't too hard or expensive, and since I couldn't really see the incandescent in the bright sun, and I can see the LED, I thought was worth the effort: Take one of these: http://autolumination.com/otherleds.htm (scroll down to E10 Screw Base 4 Led Focused Lens Led Bulbs) Put one of these inline to the LED: http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...ductId=2062581 And go from this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3om56PrC9Rs to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B80m6kPyero > > Greg Lemon >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: allenhess at mgcarclub.com (Allen Hess) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2014 12:04:48 -0400 Subject: [TR] TR4 Bonnet References: The release cable is fixed to the bonnet release bracket with a push on clip. If the clip and cable come off the bracket the cable release won't work. (ask me how I know, etc.) I managed to release the latch from underneath the car. Had a sore and scraped arm afterwards. I then wired the cable and clip to the bracket. It can be done so it's barley noticeable. I've just thought that you might be able to pull the release and from inside the footwell also pull on the outer cable thereby shortening it. If the cable clamp has come loose or is broken, then that's another issue. Allen > I have a few problems of late with my '64 Triumph, one being the > brake lines. > However, yesterday, when I wanted to check the fluid level, the > bonnet appears > stuck and wont open. How can I easily determine whether the cable is > broken. > Since the release lever does not open it, is there an alternative to > opening > it? How frustrating with nice driving weather, and I can't in the TR4. >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: tr250driver at gmail.com (darrell floyd) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2014 11:13:33 -0400 Subject: [TR] Brake light woes Guys, Here I am all ready to go to the TRA National meeting and a light check on the TR3B reveals no brake lights at all. Everything else is normal. The TR4 is a little better, brake lights come on if you stomp on the pedal. No I do not have any spare switches. If I can get a couple of those by Tuesday do any of you know if I will need to bleed the brakes after I install them? Any other ideas on what to check?? Thanks, Darrell >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: keithstewart at execulink.com (Keith Stewart) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2014 18:28:40 -0400 Subject: [TR] carpet snap layout References: On Wed, 4 Jun 2014, at 4:03 PM, Jonas Payne wrote: > > > Does anybody have a diagram showing the carpet snap layout for a TR3? > > I replaced the floors in mine, and the old ones were too far gone to make > any sense of it. > > Jonas Payne > PBR Consulting Services, LLC > 702.882.6711 The front carpet is actually a rubber mat. Whether you have the original or a replacement, they have the snaps already installed. I think your best bet is to line the rubber mat up to fit the contours of the transmission tunnel, the firewall and inner sills and place the studs under the snaps on the rubber mat. Keith Stewart keithstewartATexeculinkDOTcom >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: deruiterville at hotmail.com (Randy and Valerie DeRuiter) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 10:04:33 -0500 Subject: [TR] Brake light woes References: Darrell- My guess is you are running Dot5 in your system? That is what I think created the same problem in my 3A - brakes would only light if I stomped on them, sensitivity was lost. My solution was switching to a mechanical switch mounted under the dash. I think you can pull that switch quickly and not need a complete rebleed, but of course plan on bleeding just in case. But if you do use Dot5, expect this to be a recurring issue based on what I've seen. Randy >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: Ronald.Griffing at comcast.net (Ronald.Griffing at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 14:16:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] What fun. References: <53914430.1080803@bradakis.com> <20140608053612.72BD42585472@autox.team.net> Mark, As one of the "Comcasters"... Since June 1st I have 11 [TR] messages in my inbox. None of them are from you. I did not see the original of the message you sent below. Ron Griffing '62 TR4 CT1550L ~'60 Morris Minor 1000 MA2S3L791631 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: "Mark J Bradakis" , "Triumphs" Sent: Thursday, June 5, 2014 10:01:49 PM Subject: Re: [TR] What fun. Made it through to me... Tony Drews At 11:31 PM 6/5/2014, Mark J Bradakis wrote: >At the moment, there are 36,753 pending emails on Team.Net waiting >to be delivered to subscribers. >Most are to Yahoo, AOL, Comcast, Hotmail addresses. You know, small >obscure operations. This DMARC >stuff is killing me. > >I wonder how many folks, if any, will actually see this message? > >mjb. >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: hdrider570 at att.net (Q) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 07:50:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [TR] Brake light woes (Randy and Valerie DeRuiter) The switch is available from Napa Auto parts in both the spade terminal (ECH SL147) and screw terminal types (ECH SL144). My local staore has both in stock. They must fit American cars as well. I have changed these several times without having to bleed the brakes but you need to be fast when you swap the two switches. Edward Hamer petaluma CA >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: kinderlehrer at comcast.net (Kinderlehrer) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 09:14:09 -0700 Subject: [TR] Brake light woes References: I think if you remove the reservoir cap, stretch plastic wrap over the opening and then replace the cap, essentially closing the vent hole to create a vacuum, you will not lose any fluid. Don't forget to remove the plastic wrap when you finish the replacement of the switch :-). Even if you do lose some fluid, it's up stream of the wheel cylinders, so most likely you won't have to bleed the system. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of darrell floyd Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2014 8:14 AM To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Brake light woes Guys, Here I am all ready to go to the TRA National meeting and a light check on the TR3B reveals no brake lights at all. Everything else is normal. The TR4 is a little better, brake lights come on if you stomp on the pedal. No I do not have any spare switches. If I can get a couple of those by Tuesday do any of you know if I will need to bleed the brakes after I install them? Any other ideas on what to check?? Thanks, Darrell >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: tr4a2712 at yahoo.com (Cosmo Kramer) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 16:54:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [TR] Brake light woes Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 09:14:09 -0700 From: "Kinderlehrer" To: "'darrell floyd'" , Subject: Re: [TR] Brake light woes I think if you remove the reservoir cap, stretch plastic wrap over the opening and then replace the cap, essentially closing the vent hole to create a vacuum, you will not lose any fluid. Don't forget to remove the plastic wrap when you finish the replacement of the switch :-). Even if you do lose some fluid, it's up stream of the wheel cylinders, so most likely you won't have to bleed the system. Bob Hi List! After you are done, squeeze the front brake pads back against the back of the caliper. This will 'BACKFLUSH' the air bubbles back on top of the reservoir. -Cosmo Kramer >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: elliottr at rmi.net (Roger Elliott) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 18:04:46 -0500 Subject: [TR] Fw: LED instrument lights on EBAY References: <83FE11EAF59440C6A64A9A03CB797324@livingroompc> Could you repeat the Radio Shack link? I clicked on it an Radio Shack is not able to find the part. I even searched for 2062581 which I guess is the part number. Roger On 06/07/2014 08:11 PM, Greg Lemon wrote: > I ran into the same issue Bob mentions when I tried to use the big > LEDS, I > did however end up figuring out how to get the LED to work for the turn > signal indicator (with a little help from my internet friends) it > wasn't too > hard or expensive, and since I couldn't really see the incandescent in > the > bright sun, and I can see the LED, I thought was worth the effort: > > Take one of these: > > http://autolumination.com/otherleds.htm > > (scroll down to E10 Screw Base 4 Led Focused Lens Led Bulbs) > > Put one of these inline to the LED: > > http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...ductId=2062581 > > And go from this: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3om56PrC9Rs > > to this: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B80m6kPyero >> >> Greg Lemon >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: lherault at verizon.net (Ron L'Herault) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 10:29:36 -0400 Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 7, Issue 159 References: Today's Topics: 1. Re: TR4 Bonnet (Allen Hess) 2. Brake light woes (darrell floyd) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- RE: the Bonnet. Do you get resistance or is the cable completely loose? If you get resistance, have someone push on the hood over the latch area while you pull the cable. RE: Brake light switches. If you can get to the areas where wires attach and/or to where the actuator plunger goes into the switch, spray in some contact cleaner. It's a spray deoxidizing material that cleans off contacts. You can get it at places like "Radio Shack." Ron L >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: dave at ranteer.com (dave n) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 09:12:36 -0500 Subject: [TR] Brake light woes References: <002401cf8659$58256210$08702630$@net> if you get speedbleeders, bleeding is very easy. http://www.speedbleeder.com/ >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: binduni at gmail.com (Brian Induni) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 07:34:18 -0700 Subject: [TR] Brake light woes Not sure I follow the logic of the Dot 5 fluid - I've used this in at least a dozen cars I've restored and have never had an issue because of it. I have, however, learned that the mechanical pressure switch is a finicky bugger, and have also learned that if I fill the pressure inlet with fluid, it will push the air out that is trapped in there. Remember, if you have air in your brake lines, the brakes don't work so well. Same goes for the switch. You need to "bleed" the air out of it before installing it. I'm not claiming that the switch works exactly like a mech switch, but pretty close. If there is enough pressure to engage the brakes, the lights should come on. Of course, this is assuming the switch is new, which is an absolute must! Brian >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: deruiterville at hotmail.com (Randy and Valerie DeRuiter) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 12:37:07 -0500 Subject: [TR] Brake light woes References: I'm not sure there is logic involved, but there is some evidence - 3 cars in my club, including mine have experienced this. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me, but it seems too coincidental to have switches fail completely or become much less sensitive to pedal pressure to stop working, and its been after a switch to Dot 5. Dot 4 flushing/refresh, typical maintenance etc and I don't know of an issue. Possibly its related to having some air trapped in the switch, but in my thinking that would just lead to a spongy pedal feel, not failure - pressure would be transmitted in the switch through the air too. In my case I was still using an older switch so possibly the newer Napa or equivalent replacement might behave better. > Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 07:34:18 -0700 > From: binduni at gmail.com > To: triumphs at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [TR] Brake light woes > > Not sure I follow the logic of the Dot 5 fluid - I've used this in at least > a dozen cars I've restored and have never had an issue because of it. I > have, however, learned that the mechanical pressure switch is a finicky > bugger, and have also learned that if I fill the pressure inlet with fluid, > it will push the air out that is trapped in there. Remember, if you have > air in your brake lines, the brakes don't work so well. Same goes for the > switch. You need to "bleed" the air out of it before installing it. I'm not > claiming that the switch works exactly like a mech switch, but pretty > close. If there is enough pressure to engage the brakes, the lights should > come on. > > Of course, this is assuming the switch is new, which is an absolute must! > > Brian >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: davewillner at pa.net (davewillner) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 14:29:06 -0400 Subject: [TR] Price of B. Piggott's Original TR2,3? I was looking for some TR3 items in the UK on eBay and I came across a used copy of Bill Piggott's "Original TR2/3/3A" offered at $625.00. Can't believe it, how's that possible? Dave Willner 59 TR3A 70 MGB 70 BSA 441 VS [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of Emoticon9.gif] >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: zoboherald at aol.com (Andrew S. Mace) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 16:03:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [TR] Price of B. Piggott's Original TR2,3? References: <3BFE883C863649CBBA3095627336E086@home2b99dc0107> Just "Google" the title and you'll see worse! Sadly, I remember when a decent TR2/3/3A "driver" cost less than the asking price of some copies of this book! :( --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: italyfound at gmail.com (Italyfound) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2014 08:01:55 +0200 Subject: [TR] Triumph Club Quick question on a club in Michigan...... Is anyone familiar with the Detroit Triumph Sports Car Club? Is this club still active. I have been trying to contact them but have received no response to emails... Thx, Alex Manzo 59 TR3A 72 TR6 00 Fiat Barchetta >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: perryfly at gmail.com (Perry Hammock) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 21:33:37 -0400 Subject: [TR] TR3 Broken Clutch Taper Pin Removal Perhaps I finally have something to contribute today after removing the transmission in my TR3A I found the clutch fork taper pin was broken at the threads. read up on the remedies suggested, ecch. I cleaned up the area, and tried to think of another way. I got my 1/4 sheet vibrating sander, wedged the grease fitting on the cross shaft between the platen and the body and let it vibrate the assembly. After about a minute or so, the pin fell out with out any other encouragement Bob's your Uncle! That was easy, and the beer tasted so wonderful. Just a suggestion next time you face the same dilemma. Perry Hammock 1960 TR3A O >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2014 08:49:59 -0400 Subject: [TR] Price of B. Piggott's Original TR2,3? References: <3BFE883C863649CBBA3095627336E086@home2b99dc0107> Tell me when one sells for that price, and then I'll be impressed. It takes nothing to ask a crazy amount. Do you have a link to the listing? I can't find it... Don On 6/13/14, davewillner wrote: > I was looking for some TR3 items in the UK on eBay and I came across a used > copy of Bill Piggott's "Original TR2/3/3A" offered at $625.00. Can't > believe > it, how's that possible? > > Dave Willner > 59 TR3A > 70 MGB > 70 BSA 441 VS >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: gpr at key-men.com (George Richardson) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2014 12:23:05 -0400 Subject: [TR] TR3 rotors I've got a 1957 TR3, the first year the car had disc brakes. The rotors are shots and I wanted to replace them. I learned some time back that the cars brakes were not original. The pads, shoes, front calipers and rear cylinders all seemed to be from a TR4. I ordered parts from Moss, including 10 3/4" rotors. Unfortunately, after getting them and mounting one, I find that the old rotors are 10 1/4", and the calipers don't fit. Anyone know what takes a 10 1/4" rotor? TR6 maybe? -- George Richardson Key Men - Keys for Classics www.key-men.com 1957 Triumph TR3 1961 Jaguar Mark 2 1975 Triumph TR6 1997 Land Rover Discovery >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: glevit1 at msn.com (glevit1) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 15:08:43 -0700 Subject: [TR] Brake Switch Hard to engage with silicone fluid Follow link for discussion of hydralic switch with silicone fluid. http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/electric/et119a.htm Follow link for this swith which spe if it's that it can be used with silicone fluid and operates on low pressure of 20 to 50 psi Gerry http://www.ronfrancis.com/prodinfo.asp?number=SW-32 >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 23:37:38 +0000 Subject: [TR] Brake light woes > Of course, this is assuming the switch is new, which is an absolute must! So, you have to replace the switch every time you use the brakes? I've used DOT 5 for several decades now, and I love it. The original brake light switch in my previous TR3A (which was converted in 1985 or so) lasted a long time, but eventually failed in just the manner described. It would still work if the pressure was high enough, but the pressure required kept getting higher and higher until even a fairly hard stop would not light the brake lights. Not a Good Thing. Several replacements from various sources (including a repro switch from Moss and a Ford replacement from FLAPS) went the same way in fairly short order (less than a year for each one, some in only a few weeks). Changing to a mechanical switch solved the problem permanently. Well, almost permanently. I did have one problem where the reservoir was leaking a tiny amount, and the fluif ran down the pedal and got into the switch ... causing a similar failure in a mechanical switch! The moral seems clear, DOT 5 and switch contacts do not get along! A post-mortem on the switch showed moisture along the shaft, which felt like DOT 5, and a hard black substance on the contacts, which I now believe to be silicon from burned DOT 5. But having been pushed into it, I do rather like having brake lights that come on _before_ braking starts, rather than after. With the mechanical switch, they come on as soon as I put my foot on the pedal, instead of waiting until the pedal has moved far enough to build pressure in the system. Randall >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: tr3abobm77 at frontier.com (Triumph) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 09:20:46 -0400 Subject: [TR] Price of B. Piggott's Original TR2,3? References: <3BFE883C863649CBBA3095627336E086@home2b99dc0107> I just typed "Original Triumph TR2/3/3A" in Google and the first listing was from Amazon. They show 11 used from $299.95 and 4 new from $614.48 so there is something going on. Other sites seem to support this high price also. Bob Maassel Fort Wayne, IN 1959 TR3A tr3abobm77 at frontier.com >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: tr250driver at gmail.com (darrell floyd) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 10:48:01 -0400 Subject: [TR] Brake light woes Hey Guys, I did get a switch from Napa, the only one they had in the general area last Tuesday and put it in the 3B, the lights worked well but I carried thru with a brake bleed just to be sure. The Four improved some after a brake bleed so I just took that one to TRA. Going to put a new switch in her shortly. Yes I guess the Dot 5 is ruining the switches. The 3b switch is only a few years old. Some say the Napa switches are better? Cheers, Darrell >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: lee at automate-it.com (Lee Daniels) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 09:37:33 -0500 Subject: [TR] Price of B. Piggott's Original TR2,3? References: <3BFE883C863649CBBA3095627336E086@home2b99dc0107> I'm pretty sure that there are often items listed on eBay that are purely money laundering. There's a particular blank journal that my wife uses, usually sold for about $20, and we once found one of them listed for $16,000. Or this reference work (used in my work) that is available for about $300, here listed for $2,462.63: http://r.ebay.com/LnbgWY But $625 for Piggott's book probably isn't enough to justify anything illegal, it's more likely someone just trying to test the market. On Fri, June 13, 2014 13:29, davewillner wrote: > I was looking for some TR3 items in the UK on eBay and I came across a used > copy of Bill Piggott's "Original TR2/3/3A" offered at $625.00. Can't believe > it, how's that possible? > > Dave Willner > 59 TR3A > 70 MGB > 70 BSA 441 VS >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 14:06:24 -0500 Subject: [TR] Price of B. Piggott's Original TR2,3? References: <3BFE883C863649CBBA3095627336E086@home2b99dc0107> The real question is "is anyone buying?" There is also a used TR3 nose emblem that has been there for months at only $424.00 + shipping, no takers. >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: auprichard at uprichard.net (Andrew Uprichard) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 16:36:10 -0400 Subject: [TR] Dzus question After removing the stanchion plates from the front scuttle, I see that one of the "S"-shaped pieces (to which the Dzus bolt attaches) has snapped. I remember somewhere seeing these pieces new, but I cannot seem to find them. The guy at Moss Motors didn't even know what I was talking about. Does anyone have advice on how I could get my hands on one? As an aside, is anyone else getting frustrated with Moss? Seems that recently I have had so many issues: wrong parts sent, broken stuff, sales reps not having a clue... Were that everything worked as well as this list (Hi, Mark !) Andrew Uprichard. >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: greg at gelhar.com (greg at gelhar.com) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 19:23:05 -0400 Subject: [TR] Price of B. Piggott's Original TR2,3? References: <3BFE883C863649CBBA3095627336E086@home2b99dc0107> I have a nice copy of that book. Anyone want to give me $100 for it and flip it for a profit? Greg G. Osseo, MN >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: glemon at neb.rr.com (Greg Lemon) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 20:02:57 -0500 Subject: [TR] Price of B. Piggott's Original TR2,3? References: <3BFE883C863649CBBA3095627336E086@home2b99dc0107> Do you think people will actually pay anywhere near those asking prices for the books?, I know when I was looking the the equivalent book for the TR4-6 they were asking in the $100 or more range, I eventually found one on E-bay Canada for about $20 and pounced, but don't know if there are such bargains anymore. But I can't imagine paying that kind of money for a recently published book that retailed for less than a tenth that a few years ago even if I did have that kind of money to spend on such a book. Greg Lemon >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: dave at ranteer.com (dave n) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 22:00:12 -0500 Subject: [TR] help with identifying gaskets hi. Ibve got these gaskets that are supposed to go with my 57 TR3. http://www.ranteer.com/misc/ its been an on again, off again kind of restoration, and I was hoping someone could tell me where these go. thanks! >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 18:16:52 -0700 Subject: [TR] Brake light woes References: <20140613233738.SPGRW.11668.root@cdptpa-web27> On the subject of brake light switches... this is the mechanical switch I added on my other (non-TR) British car: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000E5DILY/ref=pe_385040_30332200_pe_309540_26725410_item I left the hydraulic switch in place (which has not failed despite my using DOT5) and added the above switch with a simple metal bracket in the footwell operated by pedal arm movement. I had no problems with the hydraulic switch but do like that the mechanical switch operates the brake lights with only the slightest pedal movement - which may happen well in advance of serious braking. Looking at the TR3A pedal box I think that same switch might fit into the hole in the front lip of the box to be actuated by the upper tip of the pedal arm (very similar to a TR4 switch). Otherwise, an interior bracket may be needed. Yeah, I know the usuals carry mechanical switches but I have heard mixed results with those (esp the white plastic version) whereas this metal version has been used by quite a few LBC owners with success. Geo On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Randall wrote: > > Of course, this is assuming the switch is new, which is an absolute must! > > So, you have to replace the switch every time you use the brakes? > > I've used DOT 5 for several decades now, and I love it. The original > brake light switch in my previous TR3A (which was converted in 1985 or so) > lasted a long time, but eventually failed in just the manner described. It > would still work if the pressure was high enough, but the pressure required > kept getting higher and higher until even a fairly hard stop would not > light the brake lights. Not a Good Thing. > > Several replacements from various sources (including a repro switch from > Moss and a Ford replacement from FLAPS) went the same way in fairly short > order (less than a year for each one, some in only a few weeks). > > Changing to a mechanical switch solved the problem permanently. Well, > almost permanently. I did have one problem where the reservoir was leaking > a tiny amount, and the fluif ran down the pedal and got into the switch ... > causing a similar failure in a mechanical switch! The moral seems clear, > DOT 5 and switch contacts do not get along! A post-mortem on the switch > showed moisture along the shaft, which felt like DOT 5, and a hard black > substance on the contacts, which I now believe to be silicon from burned > DOT 5. > > But having been pushed into it, I do rather like having brake lights that > come on _before_ braking starts, rather than after. With the mechanical > switch, they come on as soon as I put my foot on the pedal, instead of > waiting until the pedal has moved far enough to build pressure in the > system. > > Randall > >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 11:06:56 -0700 Subject: [TR] Price of B. Piggott's Original TR2,3? References: <3BFE883C863649CBBA3095627336E086@home2b99dc0107> On 6/16/14, 6:20 AM, Triumph wrote: > I just typed "Original Triumph TR2/3/3A" in Google and the first > listing was from Amazon. They show 11 used from $299.95 and 4 new from > $614.48 so there is something going on. Other sites seem to support > this high price also. > geeeezzzz Maybe I should sell my copy. TeriAnn >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex&Janet Thomson) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 07:22:12 -0400 Subject: [TR] Fw: LED instrument lights on EBAY References: <83FE11EAF59440C6A64A9A03CB797324@livingroompc> <539A320E.4020102@rmi.net> Try searching for 2062580 (I think that might be the catalog page number) or search for "rectifiers". Alex Thomson -----Original Message----- From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Roger Elliott Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 7:05 PM To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Fw: LED instrument lights on EBAY Could you repeat the Radio Shack link? I clicked on it an Radio Shack is not able to find the part. I even searched for 2062581 which I guess is the part number. Roger >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: dave1massey at cs.com (Dave) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 08:15:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [TR] help with identifying gaskets References: <428A233B85D14A38B1E29C96DC3CC6C5@Ranteer.local> Those look like the gaskets that are attached to the bottom side of the doors. There is a series of holes that accept special clips (TRF number 552901) that hold the seals in place. Note that the seal rolls up the leading edge of the door. I don't recognize the metal strip. Dave Massey 57 TR3 (and others) -----Original Message----- From: dave n To: triumphs Sent: Mon, Jun 16, 2014 11:48 pm Subject: [TR] help with identifying gaskets hi. Ibve got these gaskets that are supposed to go with my 57 TR3. http://www.ranteer.com/misc/ its been an on again, off again kind of restoration, and I was hoping someone could tell me where these go. thanks! >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 05:48:57 -0700 Subject: [TR] help with identifying gaskets References: <428A233B85D14A38B1E29C96DC3CC6C5@Ranteer.local> Possibly door seals / draft seals? See item 19 here: http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=29160&SortOrder=410 And items 40 & 42 here: http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=29156 On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 8:00 PM, dave n wrote: > hi. > > Ib ve got these gaskets that are supposed to go with my 57 TR3. > > http://www.ranteer.com/misc/ > > its been an on again, off again kind of restoration, and I was hoping > someone > could tell me where these go. > > thanks! > >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 13:13:11 +0000 Subject: [TR] help with identifying gaskets ---- dave n wrote: > hi. > > Ibve got these gaskets that are supposed to go with my 57 TR3. > > http://www.ranteer.com/misc/ > > its been an on again, off again kind of restoration, and I was hoping someone > could tell me where these go. They look to me like the water seals that go along the bottom of the doors; plus a short section where the top of the door meets the scuttle. Unfortunately, they might also be the ones that don't fit very good. The originals were somehow molded with varying density, so the section that goes into the clips on the door was much firmer than the lip that goes against the body; allowing the clip to hold while the rest of the seal crushed to fit. Many if not all of the seals available today have the firmer density all the way, so they don't crush and hold the door open slightly. Good Luck, Randall >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: tom628 at verizon.net (Tom Note) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 23:29:58 -0400 Subject: [TR] TR3 Broken Clutch Taper Pin Removal References: Way to go, Perry! Thanks for passing that on. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Perry Hammock" To: Sent: Friday, June 13, 2014 9:33 PM Subject: [TR] TR3 Broken Clutch Taper Pin Removal > Perhaps I finally have something to contribute > today after removing the transmission in my TR3A > I found the clutch fork taper pin was broken at the threads. > read up on the remedies suggested, ecch. > > I cleaned up the area, and tried to think of another way. > I got my 1/4 sheet vibrating sander, wedged the grease fitting on the > cross > shaft between the platen and the body and let it vibrate the assembly. > After about a minute or so, the pin fell out with out any other > encouragement > Bob's your Uncle! That was easy, and the beer tasted so wonderful. > > Just a suggestion next time you face the same dilemma. > > Perry Hammock > 1960 TR3A O > >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: thenicholls at verizon.net (thenicholls at verizon.net) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 16:08:27 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [TR] K&N air filters, oil, and cleaner Don't know if anyone on the list will see this, but I will send anyway. I have a set of used K&N Air filters, oil, and cleaner on Ebay. Item number 221463677155 . If anyone is interested (Financial interest), please contact me at "TheNicholls at Verizon.Net". Thanks, Craig 72 Triumph TR6 >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: wsb1960tr3a at att.net (William Brewer) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2014 19:23:32 -0700 Subject: [TR] TR3 Lip Type Crank Seal I have a Triumph Renown that leaks oil out the rear seal at the rate of about a quart every 20 miles. It is really something. I am thinking of going through the engine next winter. Moss charges about $200 for a lip type rear seal conversion kit. I see something similar on Ebay for $99. Has anyone tried one of these? Is it the same? http://www.ebay.com/itm/151290877125?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m 1423.l2649 TIA, Bill in Tehachapi >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: pethier7 at gmail.com (Philip Ethier) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 00:20:05 -0500 Subject: [TR] K&N air filters, oil, and cleaner References: <19443631.439973.1403039307084.JavaMail.root@vznit170126> I saw it. On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 4:08 PM, wrote: > Don't know if anyone on the list will see this, but I will send anyway. > > > I have a set of used K&N Air filters, oil, and cleaner on Ebay. Item > number 221463677155 . > > > If anyone is interested (Financial interest), please contact me at > "TheNicholls at Verizon.Net". > > > Thanks, > > > Craig > 72 Triumph TR6 -- pethier at comcast.net still works also Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2005 Subaru Legacy GT Limited, Regal Blue Pearl http://www.mnautox.com >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 14:28:00 -0700 Subject: [TR] Brake light woes > I left the hydraulic switch in place (which has not failed > despite my using > DOT5) and added the above switch with a simple metal bracket in the > footwell operated by pedal arm movement. FWIW, here's a shot of my bracket & switch on the TR3. http://tinyurl.com/of5qowk Someday I'll "restore" that area and clean things up a bit, this was a quick and dirty to get the car on the road in time for TRfest 2009. > Looking at the TR3A pedal box I think that same switch might > fit into the > hole in the front lip of the box to be actuated by the upper > tip of the > pedal arm (very similar to a TR4 switch). Probably not the same switch, but I found one at FLAPS that would fit in that position on my previous TR3A. However, the TR3 has pedal stops in those holes (as original), and I didn't really like having the obviously wrong switch hanging out under the hood anyway. Hence the above setup (which is invisible unless you crawl under the dash). > Yeah, I know the usuals carry mechanical switches but I have > heard mixed > results with those (esp the white plastic version) whereas this metal > version has been used by quite a few LBC owners with success. Again FWIW, the mixed metal/plastic switch shown in the above shot lasted less than 2 years from installation. I'm currently running one of the white plastic ones from TRF, and it has been working fine since 2010. Randall >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: cfmtr3a at verizon.net (Carl TR) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2014 20:26:38 -0400 Subject: [TR] List up and running? I haven't received anything in several days. Carl 1960 Triumph TR3A - TS81802LO Tampa, FL >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: creig555 at live.com (Creig Houghtaling) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 11:27:31 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR6 burning oil My friend's TR6 is consuming oil. In addition, the #5 spark plug fouls regularly and needs to be cleaned or replaced to run smoothly again. I am guessing these two issues might be related... The oil fouling the plug... If that is the case, what is the most likely route for the oil problem? >From the cylinder head? Or from the rings? Creig Creig Houghtlaing 314-401-7817 St. Louis Triumph Owners Association www.sltoa.org >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: ghaynestr4 at aol.com (George Haynes) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 21:12:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [TR] Exhaust Pieces Would John DeLuca please send me the name and address of the source for stainless TR4A exhaust pieces he purchased. Many thanks! George >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: dixie4.wales at virgin.net (ADRIAN DIX-DYER) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 10:15:06 +0100 Subject: [TR] TR6 burning oil References: In the first instance, a compression test should indicate No5 being low. If so put a small amount of oil down the plug hole and do the test on this bore again. If it rises significantly then this would confirm the piston or piston rings are at fault. IMHO if the overall compressions on all cyls are low I am afraid its a major rebuild. Adrian TR4A CT64306 O Wales UK On 22 June 2014 17:27, Creig Houghtaling wrote: > My friend's TR6 is consuming oil. In addition, the #5 spark plug fouls > regularly and needs to be cleaned or replaced to run smoothly again. I am > guessing these two issues might be related... The oil fouling the plug... > If that is the case, what is the most likely route for the oil problem? > From the cylinder head? Or from the rings? > > Creig > > Creig Houghtlaing 314-401-7817 > St. Louis Triumph Owners Association > www.sltoa.org >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: creig555 at live.com (Creig Houghtaling) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 06:50:10 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR6 burning oil References: It has been a while since we have done a compression checkb& Thatbs a good thing to check. Thanks. >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: tswhitez123 at hotmail.com (tom white) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 12:05:37 +0000 Subject: [TR] mounting trunk lid & spare tire cover gaskets.s In the past I have mounted the trunk ld gasket and spare tire cove gasket for my TR3A with adhesive. Eighteen years ago I used contact cement and the mounting was tedious and difficult. This time around I attempted to use 3M Super Strength trim adhesive. After three attempts yielding only partiel bonding results I decided to try a special plastic bonding agent I had bought for a difficult plastic bonding project. The product I used is Tech Bond. I found that I could put a few drops in the channel for the gasket and then push the gasket firmly down into the channel and get strong adhesion within second. I repaired the loose areas of the trunk lid gasket this way. Then for the spare tire cove gasket I began by cutting it to size and bonding the ends togethewr with two drops of Tech Bond. Then I placed the gasket into the channel the way it should fit and held it in place with strips of painters tape every foot or so. Then I would pull a section of the gasket out of the channel and place a few drops of Tech Bond on the gasket mounting surface. Then I would use a tongue depressor to push the gasket into the channel until it was firmly seated. I would hold the gasket in place for a few seconds and then repeat the process on another section. I had the spare tire cover gasket mounted in less than 30 minutes with no need for masking, or spraying adhesive, and no clean up. One word opf caution is do not get Teck Bond on your fingers and then touch the gasket or you will be glued to the gasket. The URL for Tech Bond is below: http://shop.tech-bond.net/Tech-Bond-Starter-Kits-for-your-repair-7001.htm Get the stater kit with the SI Blue adhesive. Also be careful about using the spray Activator as it will cause instantaneous bonding. I have no financial interest in the product. Best regards, Tom >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: dixie4.wales at virgin.net (ADRIAN DIX-DYER) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 14:10:00 +0100 Subject: [TR] TR3 Lip Type Crank Seal References: <1403144612.23053.YahooMailNeo@web180902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I would take a look at the www.tr4_racing.com web site. It contains details of a far better set up which retains the scroll, (a belt and braces set up.) The US agent is Joe Alexander, he is on the list. Adrian TR4A CT64306 O Wales UK >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 06:21:41 -0700 Subject: [TR] TR3 Lip Type Crank Seal > Moss charges about $200 for a > lip type rear > seal conversion kit. I see something similar on Ebay for $99. > Has anyone tried > one of these? Is it the same? My suggestion would be to stay far, far away from the conversion that requires the scroll to be ground off. Numerous people have reported that the result leaked worse than the original (which can be made to work quite well if you use the updated mandrel dimensions instead of those shown in the manuals). One of our local club members had to have the crank replaced after a mistake was discovered in the instructions. (The instructions I got had been changed by hand twice!) If you want a lip type seal, the 'Viton' conversion offered (only) by TRF and ARE is much better, IMO. It doesn't require the scroll to be ground off, and actually keeps the scroll seal functional; adding the lip seal as a secondary seal. The only suggested crank mod is to polish the area between the scroll and flange. Note that the kit includes a mandrel made to the corrected dimensions. (I've heard reports that the one sold by Moss is wrong.) http://tinyurl.com/pfmoqw2 Honestly, though, a quart every 20 miles seems extreme. Are you certain it is the rear main seal and not one of the plugs on the block and/or head? Is the oil level correct? Randall >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan (HP IT)) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 13:31:54 +0000 Subject: [TR] List up and running? References: <000001cf8db0$a20a2c90$e61e85b0$@verizon.net> DMARC has totally f'ed up mailing lists. We are using the Mailman utility as part of the VTR hosted service offered to affiliates for our club mailing lists and it is a mess. This may be the last straw before we just give up and move everything to Facebook. Stan >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 08:55:51 -0700 Subject: [TR] TR3 Lip Type Crank Seal References: <1403144612.23053.YahooMailNeo@web180902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Bill - I have not done this but would be wary of the kits (Moss & ebay) that require grinding the crank. Some find this works out well for them but I recall some who had problems & the 'fix' is irreversible. Instead, I believe there is an alternative that does not modify the crank or (of course) the original style seal can be renewed. Okay, a search turns up this: http://www.the-vintage-racer.com/index.php/categoryhome/engine-components/product/53-vsk-t34 Geo >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 11:36:37 -0500 Subject: [TR] Standard-Triumph Marque Day at Brooklands over the weekend The Standard Triumph Marque Day was held at Brooklands yesterday (June 22, 2014). http://www.standardmotorclub.org.uk/standard-triumph-marque-day.html Looks like it would have been fun to attend. That Dolomite tribute car would have been especially interesting. Lotsa pix here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/philip-smith/sets/72157645307413014/ >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 0:54:22 +0000 Subject: [TR] TR6 burning oil > > My friend's TR6 is consuming oil. In addition, the #5 spark plug fouls > > regularly and needs to be cleaned or replaced to run smoothly again. I am > > guessing these two issues might be related... The oil fouling the plug... > > If that is the case, what is the most likely route for the oil problem? > > From the cylinder head? Or from the rings? Unfortunately, the most likely explanation IMO is damage to the cylinder wall or piston. Might be just a broken ring, or badly worn valve guide, though. Rather than mess with a compression test (which can sometimes be misleading), I would go ahead and pull the head to check the valve. Your friend knows he has a problem, and he will need to pull the head anyway, even if the problem is rings/piston/cylinder wall. And it's worth checking the valves when the head is off even if they aren't the primary problem. Randall >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: jpaynepbr at cox.net (Jonas Payne) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 06:30:54 -0700 Subject: [TR] TR6 burning oil References: Do a leak down test on it to determine whether it's the rings or the valves. Mine was burning lots of oil too - it was the rings and the valve guides. The oil scraper rings were seriously stuck in what appeared to be a carbon-concrete. Jonas Payne PBR Consulting Services, LLC 702.882.6711 >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: dave at ranteer.com (dave n) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2014 16:12:27 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR3 interior (not tr3a) anyone who has a more or less correct tr3 b would you mind contacting me offline? I need some interior photos. thanks dave at ranteer.com >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 06:40:39 -0700 Subject: [TR] Price of B. Piggott's Original TR2,3? > But $625 for Piggott's book probably isn't enough to justify > anything illegal, > it's more likely someone just trying to test the market. Agree. I believe it was PT Barnum that said there is one born every minute. And there seem to be several book sellers that speculate in this type of book, waiting for someone to come along that just has to have one, no matter the price. Someone asked for a link: http://tinyurl.com/kdedfy6 Randall >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: italyfound at gmail.com (Italyfound) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 11:51:26 +0200 Subject: [TR] Test Is this server down? Email being rejected... Alex Manzo From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: timipurdy at citlink.net (Tim Purdy) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2014 14:22:45 -0700 Subject: [TR] TR4 Bonnet I have a few problems of late with my '64 Triumph, one being the brake lines. However, yesterday, when I wanted to check the fluid level, the bonnet appears stuck and wont open. How can I easily determine whether the cable is broken. Since the release lever does not open it, is there an alternative to opening it? How frustrating with nice driving weather, and I can't in the TR4. >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: jpaynepbr at cox.net (Jonas Payne) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 08:31:03 -0700 Subject: [TR] Slow Fast Slow Fast References: <9Go41o00b0NyJgq01Go7ap> Look for heat marks/discoloration on your rotors. These "hot spots" are work hardened metal and can cause a pulsation. If you have them, they can't be machined out. They can be caused by using a pad that is too hard. I run the softest pads I can find on all my cars. Jonas Payne PBR Consulting Services, LLC 702.882.6711 ----- >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 03:20:28 -0700 Subject: [TR] Slow Fast Slow Fast > Just checked the rotor > runout and it's > way out of spec on the right and OK (.005) on the left. > > Should I turn both rotors? IMO, replace the right, leave the left alone except for breaking the glaze. If the right rotor warped that badly, then it's almost certainly a bad casting and will just warp again. > They aren't scored; if I turn > them must I put in > new pads? Should be OK to reuse the old pads, if they look alright. But since they normally wear out first, changing them now may mean longer before you change them again. Kind of depends on what your time is worth to change them. Randall >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: thenicholls at verizon.net (thenicholls at verizon.net) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2014 16:22:34 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [TR] LED instrument lights on EBAY Anyone out there purchased and is using these LED instrument lights listed on EBAY? http://www.ebay.com/itm/300923024335?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 Craig 72 Triumph TR6 >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: ptegler at verizon.net (ptegler) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2014 02:54:45 -0400 Subject: [TR] LED instrument lights on EBAY References: <29087932.873617.1401744154230.JavaMail.root@vznit170132> bought a set about a year ago..... nice but more expensive than the sets I've since bought from Sencart.com ..not sure what happened to the pics...but one is still there about second fro mthe last row second pic from teh left. I have sets of red, green, blue, and white. They are all brighter than the ebay units you mention, and half the cost. nfi...just a satified experimenter, I used the green in my Triumph as the speedo and tach already had green lenses over the bulbs inside. now at least ALL my gauges are green. ptegler On 6/2/2014 5:22 PM, thenicholls at verizon.net wrote: > Anyone out there purchased and is using these LED instrument lights listed on EBAY? > > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/300923024335?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 > >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: greg at gelhar.com (greg at gelhar.com) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2014 02:52:05 -0400 Subject: [TR] 1974 TR6 Headrest References: You have to depress the spring steel tab that protrudes from the support post which prevents the headrest from just sliding out. The tab is located on the right side of the headrest shaft. Here is what the little tab looks like that holds them in. The spring action is very stiff. I haven't figured out what tool is necessary to release it. I tried steel shim stock and found the tab would puncture it before pressing in. I have these pictures because I ended up stripping down a seat for recovering. Greg G. Osseo, MN > Does anybody know how the adjustable headrest on a 1974 TR6 comes off. > Got these neat seatbelt guides but I can't figure out if the headrest > comes > out or the second option is to cut the guides. Thanks > Harry Mague >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: moira.secrest at verizon.net (Martin Secrest) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2014 20:38:03 -0400 Subject: [TR] Slow Fast Slow Fast References: <3928A0B5-4489-415E-A01C-AEE73E43614E@verizon.net> Thanks Jeff; basically everything's already in good shape. The machine shop confirmed what I thought. On rotor was way out of spec and has to be replaced. Fortunately they are cheap. > On Jun 2, 2014, at 1:57 PM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > > On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Martin Secrest > wrote: > >> >> Should I turn both rotors? They aren't scored; if I turn them must I put in >> new pads? > > If I recall,t he GT6 rotors are like Spitfire rotors - a solid disk > without much extra thickness. May not be able to turn the warp out of > it. > > I'd be tempted to replace rotors and pads, and make sure to evaluate > the cause - is a caliper sticking? Also a good opportunity to clean > and grease bearings, replace rubber hoses, etc., if that all hasn't > already been done recently. > > But then, I'm an overkill kind of guy. If I go ahead and replace > everything while I'm in there, I don't have to take apart something > right after I just put it back together. > > Jeff Scarbrough > Corrosion Acres, Ga. >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 13:57:19 -0400 Subject: [TR] Slow Fast Slow Fast References: <3928A0B5-4489-415E-A01C-AEE73E43614E@verizon.net> On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Martin Secrest wrote: > > Should I turn both rotors? They aren't scored; if I turn them must I put in > new pads? If I recall,t he GT6 rotors are like Spitfire rotors - a solid disk without much extra thickness. May not be able to turn the warp out of it. I'd be tempted to replace rotors and pads, and make sure to evaluate the cause - is a caliper sticking? Also a good opportunity to clean and grease bearings, replace rubber hoses, etc., if that all hasn't already been done recently. But then, I'm an overkill kind of guy. If I go ahead and replace everything while I'm in there, I don't have to take apart something right after I just put it back together. Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: dave at ranteer.com (dave n) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2014 11:52:19 -0500 Subject: [TR] LED instrument lights on EBAY References: <29087932.873617.1401744154230.JavaMail.root@vznit170132> <538D7135.3060901@verizon.net> I may be the only one, and yes my car is heavily modified for performance, but I rather like the ambiance of the dim gages. yes, they are harder to read, and maybe not so showy perfect. I have another car with new, replacement gages, and they are bright. but there is just something I like about the tr6 cockpit, the wood dash, and those dim gages . . . . >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: moira.secrest at verizon.net (Martin Secrest) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2014 11:55:48 -0400 Subject: [TR] Catalytic Converter for TR6? Bit a strange question: can one retrofit a cat converter to a 72 TR6? What are the requirements other than a place for it under the chassis? Not asking because of any legal requirement, just want to reduce my carbon footprint. Martin Secrest >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: leejohn7 at gmail.com (Lee&John Howard) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 19:27:48 -0700 Subject: [TR] TR4 and Monza ( the blown gasket saga) I know this has been talked about many times, but i can't get into the archives. Would some of you be willing to share your degree of satisfaction with the Monza system that everyone sells for the TR4? I have to replace the headers that came with the car as they are badly warped and not enough thickness to the flange to level off. I've long had an unused 4 in 1 header from Ebay maybe 15 years ago and thought I'd use that with a new pipe and muffler, Interesting about the current exhaust is that the pipe is only 1 5/8" ID, which always looked a bit small, (although the Monza is only 3/8" larger). My machine shop guy says that when increasing the flow via a larger pipe one sacrifices torque to gain revs at higher speeds. A smaller pipe conversely increases torque, which is what the original owner of this car would have wanted for his auto-crossing back in the 60's and 70's. Amazing what i don;t know. Anyway, would appreciate any comments, and thanks. Incidentally, best EBay price is $262 from a commercial seller. John >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: ccsimonsen at gmail.com (Chris Simo) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2014 17:25:33 -0400 Subject: [TR] 4 vs 6 vane water pump impellor References: <002301cf7bd6$7a879f40$6f96ddc0$@ukpips.org.uk> <4C.90.25046.B02B8835@cdptpa-oedge03> I googled the bete noire reference and found a nice cake recipe. My wife loved it. >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob Labuz) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2014 10:20:06 -0400 Subject: [TR] Catalytic Converter for TR6? References: Martin, A converter will have no affect on CO2. It will convert CO to CO2 I think. It may alter other gasses such as SO2 or SO3 and some Nitrogen compounds. But what goes in the converter comes out, maybe in a different form but the same elements. The only way I know of altering elements is by fusion and fission. Also, it will get very hot during operation. It will require a heat shield of some sort. The best bet is to keep your engine in top tune IMO. Bob On 06/03/2014 11:55 AM, Martin Secrest wrote: > Bit a strange question: can one retrofit a cat converter to a 72 TR6? > > What are the requirements other than a place for it under the chassis? > > Not asking because of any legal requirement, just want to reduce my carbon > footprint. > > Martin Secrest >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 07:59:59 -0700 Subject: [TR] Catalytic Converter for TR6? > A converter will have no affect on CO2. It will convert CO to CO2 I > think. Right. Also HC to H2O + CO2; and NOx to N2 + O2 (if you have a "3-way" catalyst). > Also, it will get very hot during operation. It will require a heat > shield of some sort. In order to achieve the reactions, it also needs free oxygen in the input. That means your engine has to either run leaner than normal (so not all the oxygen is consumed by combustion), or you need a air injection system to feed O2 to the converter. My point being that it isn't just a bolt-on device. > The best bet is to keep your engine in top tune IMO. Basically anything that reduces fuel consumption will also lower your "carbon footprint". Randall >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: greg.meythaler at intel.com (Meythaler, Greg) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 16:15:37 +0000 Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 7, Issue 153 References: They're caused by hot spots, but typically you get hot spots because you are using to soft a pad that gets over heated or doesn't have the right heat range. Here is a great reference on the subject: http://www.stoptech.com/technical-support/technical-white-papers/-warped-brak e-disc-and-other-myths -greg ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 08:31:03 -0700 From: "Jonas Payne" To: "'Martin Secrest'" , Subject: Re: [TR] Slow Fast Slow Fast Look for heat marks/discoloration on your rotors. These "hot spots" are work hardened metal and can cause a pulsation. If you have them, they can't be machined out. They can be caused by using a pad that is too hard. I run the softest pads I can find on all my cars. Jonas Payne PBR Consulting Services, LLC 702.882.6711 ----- >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: dave at ranteer.com (dave n) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 18:03:42 -0500 Subject: [TR] Catalytic Converter for TR6? References: others will correct me if I'm wrong - all a cat does I believe is change carbon monoxide to carbon dioxide. I think there are better ways to reduce your carbon footprint. a big one is to drive an old car and save all the energy utilized in the construction of a new vehicle! -----Original Message----- From: Martin Secrest Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2014 10:55 AM To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Catalytic Converter for TR6? Bit a strange question: can one retrofit a cat converter to a 72 TR6? What are the requirements other than a place for it under the chassis? Not asking because of any legal requirement, just want to reduce my carbon footprint. Martin Secrest >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: pdonnel1 at san.rr.com (John & Pat Donnelly) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 21:16:49 -0700 Subject: [TR] TRactor Engine Timing After rebuilding my TR4A engine I've been playing around with the engine timing (advance/retard) to dial in the best performance. The engine has the Moss cam & 87 MM pistons, but everything else is stock. Stock HS6's, stock distributor with Pertronix, new gears and timing chain. The vacuum advance is attached. I never seem to be able to get the full range performance I would expect. I can get low end to be great but the top end suffers. Redial it and the top end is great but low end is sluggish. I dont think the carbs are it, as I've changed to richer needles, made it richer/leaner, and it didn't help. I did learn that a richer mixture seems to hide timing differences. And I got to thinking that the TR4A distributor has an advance limit built into it and was wondering if going to a more full range dizzy would give me that full range performance. Shouldn't the dizzy advance and the cam specs match up? Why the limited advance anyway? BTW, the weather is absolutely bitchin to be driving with top down every day here in San Diego. I'm loving it. Johnnie 67 TR4A >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: jpaynepbr at cox.net (Jonas Payne) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 16:03:13 -0700 Subject: [TR] carpet snap layout Does anybody have a diagram showing the carpet snap layout for a TR3? I replaced the floors in mine, and the old ones were too far gone to make any sense of it. Jonas Payne PBR Consulting Services, LLC 702.882.6711 ----- >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2014 22:31:44 -0600 Subject: [TR] What fun. At the moment, there are 36,753 pending emails on Team.Net waiting to be delivered to subscribers. Most are to Yahoo, AOL, Comcast, Hotmail addresses. You know, small obscure operations. This DMARC stuff is killing me. I wonder how many folks, if any, will actually see this message? mjb. >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2014 00:01:49 -0500 Subject: [TR] What fun. References: <53914430.1080803@bradakis.com> Made it through to me... Tony Drews At 11:31 PM 6/5/2014, Mark J Bradakis wrote: >At the moment, there are 36,753 pending emails on Team.Net waiting >to be delivered to subscribers. >Most are to Yahoo, AOL, Comcast, Hotmail addresses. You know, small >obscure operations. This DMARC >stuff is killing me. > >I wonder how many folks, if any, will actually see this message? > >mjb. > >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: malcolm at ipatch.ca (Malcolm) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 22:15:10 -0700 Subject: [TR] Catalytic Converter for TR6? References: I'm going to do some armchair engineering here, so please feel free to research and refute anything I claim. While you most certainly can retrofit the catalytic converter, it's not the only requirement by far. In order for the catalytic convert to do its job, there needs to be sufficient oxygen in the exhaust to burn up (catalyze...) the extra hydrocarbons. The converter should be located close to the engine (so that it heats up) and as far from the passengers as you can (because it gets hot). If your mixture is too rich then the catalytic converter will overheat. I had an old Ford wagon that had that happen - the converter got bright red. Could be a fire hazard! So, by my speculation, you should have at least an oxygen sensor and some means of automatically adjusting the mixture to compensate / ensure that the converter is working. You may also need an air pump to feed fresh air into the exhaust to make the converter work. A fascinating problem, but is it worth the effort? Also, consider that the manufacture of your new catalytic converter may have involved the mining and refinement of some heavy metals. Will your driving and reduced hydrocarbon output actually offset that? Personally, I would get the mixture adjustment components working first - and test your car after a good tune-up to determine how bad it really is. I suspect that you will affect your carbon footprint more with careful driving and proper maintenance than you would by adding more hardware to the system. M On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 8:55 AM, Martin Secrest wrote: > Bit a strange question: can one retrofit a cat converter to a 72 TR6? > > What are the requirements other than a place for it under the chassis? > > Not asking because of any legal requirement, just want to reduce my carbon > footprint. > > Martin Secrest > >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: 75TR6 at TR6.Danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 16:58:59 -0400 Subject: [TR] 1974 TR6 Headrest References: You can read how to do it here......... http://www.6-pack.org/j15/index.php/forum/15-mechanical-repair-maintenance-a-restoration/249244-Headrest-removal#281896 Very difficult with the covers on the seat. Bob Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/ 1975 Mimosa TR6 TBI, 5 Speed, LSD, CVJs >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 07:10:35 -0500 Subject: [TR] Catalytic Converter for TR6? References: The products of hydrocarbon combustion are water and carbon dioxide. If you want less CO2, as others have said, burn less gasoline. Drive less and more economically. Tune the car well including tire pressures. Air pollution is much more than CO2, and when catalysts were developed it was more about photochemical smog than anything else (CO2 and global warming was being talked about by a few academics, not the population at large). Original two-way catalytic convertors manage incomplete combustion products (unburned hydrocarbons, HC, and carbon monoxide, CO). Modern three-way catalytic convertors in addition manage oxides of nitrogen (NOX), a component of smog and acid rain that results from lean mixtures and hot combustion. Catalytic convertors don't change the fundamental equation that CO2 comes from burning fuel. Don 1962 TR3B TSF202L On 6/3/14, Martin Secrest wrote: > Bit a strange question: can one retrofit a cat converter to a 72 TR6? > > What are the requirements other than a place for it under the chassis? > > Not asking because of any legal requirement, just want to reduce my carbon > footprint. > > Martin Secrest > >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: dave at ranteer.com (dave n) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 14:22:27 -0500 Subject: [TR] goodparts roller bearing clutch mechanism anyone using this? Ibm thinking of getting it. >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 17:19:33 -0400 Subject: [TR] TRactor Engine Timing References: <002e01cf8074$f8f54920$eadfdb60$@rr.com> Hi John, Funny you should post this as I have just about finished by TR4A here in Cincinnati and did a bit of struggling with the tuning also. I have the BPNW 270 degree cam and 87mm pistons but I also have a RevingtonTR 4into1header and mating exhaust and on of those 123 distributors I bought from Darrell many moons ago when he went to Weber carbs. That distributor is kind of pricey now but in my opinion, it really delivers. It has 17 different advance curves in it. Mine is set to have about 10 degrees at 1,000 RPM, a little over 22 degrees at 2,000 RPM and about 31 degrees at 4,500 RPM. I am running 93 octain fuel and have been carefull to listen for pinging during long pulls up hills and such and the engine seems to be tolerating the current timing settings. I only have about 400 miles on the engine so far so I am not pushing it too much but I know it pulls real strong from about 2,000RPM to as high as I dare go now (about 4,000RPM very occasionally). I played around with the needles too, going one step richer but the plugs fouled so I went back to stock and just did a 400 mile tune up and the plug electrodes were tan and the surrounding plug was black. Tuning this thing was way different that any other type of engine I ever fooled with I can tell you that. I found that the float levels really affect the mixture also as you are adjusting the level of fuel at the main jet/needle. Lots of things to think about.. Can you get someone to rev up the engine while you have a set back timing light on it? If so, what do you see timing wise at the 1,000, 2,000 and 4500? Just curious as I think you are right in the problem being timing or more acurately advance related.. Dave Connitt ----- Original Message ----- aFrom: "John & Pat Donnelly" To: "'Triumphs'" Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 12:16 AM Subject: [TR] TRactor Engine Timing > After rebuilding my TR4A engine I've been playing around with the engine > timing (advance/retard) to dial in the best performance. The engine has > the > Moss cam & 87 MM pistons, but everything else is stock. Stock HS6's, stock > distributor with Pertronix, new gears and timing chain. The vacuum advance > is attached. > > I never seem to be able to get the full range performance I would expect. > I > can get low end to be great but the top end suffers. Redial it and the top > end is great but low end is sluggish. > > I dont think the carbs are it, as I've changed to richer needles, made it > richer/leaner, and it didn't help. I did learn that a richer mixture seems > to hide timing differences. > > And I got to thinking that the TR4A distributor has an advance limit built > into it and was wondering if going to a more full range dizzy would give > me > that full range performance. Shouldn't the dizzy advance and the cam specs > match up? > > Why the limited advance anyway? > > BTW, the weather is absolutely bitchin to be driving with top down every > day > here in San Diego. I'm loving it. > > Johnnie > > 67 TR4A >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: 75TR6 at TR6.Danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson) Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2014 08:18:02 -0400 Subject: [TR] LED instrument lights on EBAY References: <29087932.873617.1401744154230.JavaMail.root@vznit170132> Yes.... with caveats: - They won't fit in the speedo/tach bulb holes if you still have the green diffuser in the gauge. The bulb is too long and hits the diffuser - They CAN NOT be used for the "idiot" lights or turn signals. LEDs are one way and for the those lights the current needs to flow both ways. Moss also sells bulbs like these and I called tech support about the idiot light problem. They agreed that they won't work and that the item should be noted as such in the catalog..... they also acknowledged getting support calls from people who have used them in the idiot lights. Bob Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/ 1975 Mimosa TR6 TBI, 5 Speed, LSD, CVJs -----Original Message----- From: thenicholls at verizon.net Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 5:22 PM To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: [TR] LED instrument lights on EBAY Anyone out there purchased and is using these LED instrument lights listed on EBAY? http://www.ebay.com/itm/300923024335?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 Craig 72 Triumph TR6 >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: glemon at neb.rr.com (Greg Lemon) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2014 20:11:22 -0500 Subject: [TR] Fw: LED instrument lights on EBAY I ran into the same issue Bob mentions when I tried to use the big LEDS, I did however end up figuring out how to get the LED to work for the turn signal indicator (with a little help from my internet friends) it wasn't too hard or expensive, and since I couldn't really see the incandescent in the bright sun, and I can see the LED, I thought was worth the effort: Take one of these: http://autolumination.com/otherleds.htm (scroll down to E10 Screw Base 4 Led Focused Lens Led Bulbs) Put one of these inline to the LED: http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...ductId=2062581 And go from this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3om56PrC9Rs to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B80m6kPyero > > Greg Lemon >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: allenhess at mgcarclub.com (Allen Hess) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2014 12:04:48 -0400 Subject: [TR] TR4 Bonnet References: The release cable is fixed to the bonnet release bracket with a push on clip. If the clip and cable come off the bracket the cable release won't work. (ask me how I know, etc.) I managed to release the latch from underneath the car. Had a sore and scraped arm afterwards. I then wired the cable and clip to the bracket. It can be done so it's barley noticeable. I've just thought that you might be able to pull the release and from inside the footwell also pull on the outer cable thereby shortening it. If the cable clamp has come loose or is broken, then that's another issue. Allen > I have a few problems of late with my '64 Triumph, one being the > brake lines. > However, yesterday, when I wanted to check the fluid level, the > bonnet appears > stuck and wont open. How can I easily determine whether the cable is > broken. > Since the release lever does not open it, is there an alternative to > opening > it? How frustrating with nice driving weather, and I can't in the TR4. >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: tr250driver at gmail.com (darrell floyd) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2014 11:13:33 -0400 Subject: [TR] Brake light woes Guys, Here I am all ready to go to the TRA National meeting and a light check on the TR3B reveals no brake lights at all. Everything else is normal. The TR4 is a little better, brake lights come on if you stomp on the pedal. No I do not have any spare switches. If I can get a couple of those by Tuesday do any of you know if I will need to bleed the brakes after I install them? Any other ideas on what to check?? Thanks, Darrell >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: keithstewart at execulink.com (Keith Stewart) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2014 18:28:40 -0400 Subject: [TR] carpet snap layout References: On Wed, 4 Jun 2014, at 4:03 PM, Jonas Payne wrote: > > > Does anybody have a diagram showing the carpet snap layout for a TR3? > > I replaced the floors in mine, and the old ones were too far gone to make > any sense of it. > > Jonas Payne > PBR Consulting Services, LLC > 702.882.6711 The front carpet is actually a rubber mat. Whether you have the original or a replacement, they have the snaps already installed. I think your best bet is to line the rubber mat up to fit the contours of the transmission tunnel, the firewall and inner sills and place the studs under the snaps on the rubber mat. Keith Stewart keithstewartATexeculinkDOTcom >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: deruiterville at hotmail.com (Randy and Valerie DeRuiter) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 10:04:33 -0500 Subject: [TR] Brake light woes References: Darrell- My guess is you are running Dot5 in your system? That is what I think created the same problem in my 3A - brakes would only light if I stomped on them, sensitivity was lost. My solution was switching to a mechanical switch mounted under the dash. I think you can pull that switch quickly and not need a complete rebleed, but of course plan on bleeding just in case. But if you do use Dot5, expect this to be a recurring issue based on what I've seen. Randy >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: Ronald.Griffing at comcast.net (Ronald.Griffing at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 14:16:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] What fun. References: <53914430.1080803@bradakis.com> <20140608053612.72BD42585472@autox.team.net> Mark, As one of the "Comcasters"... Since June 1st I have 11 [TR] messages in my inbox. None of them are from you. I did not see the original of the message you sent below. Ron Griffing '62 TR4 CT1550L ~'60 Morris Minor 1000 MA2S3L791631 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: "Mark J Bradakis" , "Triumphs" Sent: Thursday, June 5, 2014 10:01:49 PM Subject: Re: [TR] What fun. Made it through to me... Tony Drews At 11:31 PM 6/5/2014, Mark J Bradakis wrote: >At the moment, there are 36,753 pending emails on Team.Net waiting >to be delivered to subscribers. >Most are to Yahoo, AOL, Comcast, Hotmail addresses. You know, small >obscure operations. This DMARC >stuff is killing me. > >I wonder how many folks, if any, will actually see this message? > >mjb. >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: hdrider570 at att.net (Q) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 07:50:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [TR] Brake light woes (Randy and Valerie DeRuiter) The switch is available from Napa Auto parts in both the spade terminal (ECH SL147) and screw terminal types (ECH SL144). My local staore has both in stock. They must fit American cars as well. I have changed these several times without having to bleed the brakes but you need to be fast when you swap the two switches. Edward Hamer petaluma CA >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: kinderlehrer at comcast.net (Kinderlehrer) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 09:14:09 -0700 Subject: [TR] Brake light woes References: I think if you remove the reservoir cap, stretch plastic wrap over the opening and then replace the cap, essentially closing the vent hole to create a vacuum, you will not lose any fluid. Don't forget to remove the plastic wrap when you finish the replacement of the switch :-). Even if you do lose some fluid, it's up stream of the wheel cylinders, so most likely you won't have to bleed the system. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of darrell floyd Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2014 8:14 AM To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Brake light woes Guys, Here I am all ready to go to the TRA National meeting and a light check on the TR3B reveals no brake lights at all. Everything else is normal. The TR4 is a little better, brake lights come on if you stomp on the pedal. No I do not have any spare switches. If I can get a couple of those by Tuesday do any of you know if I will need to bleed the brakes after I install them? Any other ideas on what to check?? Thanks, Darrell >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: tr4a2712 at yahoo.com (Cosmo Kramer) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 16:54:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [TR] Brake light woes Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 09:14:09 -0700 From: "Kinderlehrer" To: "'darrell floyd'" , Subject: Re: [TR] Brake light woes I think if you remove the reservoir cap, stretch plastic wrap over the opening and then replace the cap, essentially closing the vent hole to create a vacuum, you will not lose any fluid. Don't forget to remove the plastic wrap when you finish the replacement of the switch :-). Even if you do lose some fluid, it's up stream of the wheel cylinders, so most likely you won't have to bleed the system. Bob Hi List! After you are done, squeeze the front brake pads back against the back of the caliper. This will 'BACKFLUSH' the air bubbles back on top of the reservoir. -Cosmo Kramer >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: elliottr at rmi.net (Roger Elliott) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 18:04:46 -0500 Subject: [TR] Fw: LED instrument lights on EBAY References: <83FE11EAF59440C6A64A9A03CB797324@livingroompc> Could you repeat the Radio Shack link? I clicked on it an Radio Shack is not able to find the part. I even searched for 2062581 which I guess is the part number. Roger On 06/07/2014 08:11 PM, Greg Lemon wrote: > I ran into the same issue Bob mentions when I tried to use the big > LEDS, I > did however end up figuring out how to get the LED to work for the turn > signal indicator (with a little help from my internet friends) it > wasn't too > hard or expensive, and since I couldn't really see the incandescent in > the > bright sun, and I can see the LED, I thought was worth the effort: > > Take one of these: > > http://autolumination.com/otherleds.htm > > (scroll down to E10 Screw Base 4 Led Focused Lens Led Bulbs) > > Put one of these inline to the LED: > > http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...ductId=2062581 > > And go from this: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3om56PrC9Rs > > to this: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B80m6kPyero >> >> Greg Lemon >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: lherault at verizon.net (Ron L'Herault) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 10:29:36 -0400 Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 7, Issue 159 References: Today's Topics: 1. Re: TR4 Bonnet (Allen Hess) 2. Brake light woes (darrell floyd) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- RE: the Bonnet. Do you get resistance or is the cable completely loose? If you get resistance, have someone push on the hood over the latch area while you pull the cable. RE: Brake light switches. If you can get to the areas where wires attach and/or to where the actuator plunger goes into the switch, spray in some contact cleaner. It's a spray deoxidizing material that cleans off contacts. You can get it at places like "Radio Shack." Ron L >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: dave at ranteer.com (dave n) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 09:12:36 -0500 Subject: [TR] Brake light woes References: <002401cf8659$58256210$08702630$@net> if you get speedbleeders, bleeding is very easy. http://www.speedbleeder.com/ >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: binduni at gmail.com (Brian Induni) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 07:34:18 -0700 Subject: [TR] Brake light woes Not sure I follow the logic of the Dot 5 fluid - I've used this in at least a dozen cars I've restored and have never had an issue because of it. I have, however, learned that the mechanical pressure switch is a finicky bugger, and have also learned that if I fill the pressure inlet with fluid, it will push the air out that is trapped in there. Remember, if you have air in your brake lines, the brakes don't work so well. Same goes for the switch. You need to "bleed" the air out of it before installing it. I'm not claiming that the switch works exactly like a mech switch, but pretty close. If there is enough pressure to engage the brakes, the lights should come on. Of course, this is assuming the switch is new, which is an absolute must! Brian >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: deruiterville at hotmail.com (Randy and Valerie DeRuiter) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 12:37:07 -0500 Subject: [TR] Brake light woes References: I'm not sure there is logic involved, but there is some evidence - 3 cars in my club, including mine have experienced this. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me, but it seems too coincidental to have switches fail completely or become much less sensitive to pedal pressure to stop working, and its been after a switch to Dot 5. Dot 4 flushing/refresh, typical maintenance etc and I don't know of an issue. Possibly its related to having some air trapped in the switch, but in my thinking that would just lead to a spongy pedal feel, not failure - pressure would be transmitted in the switch through the air too. In my case I was still using an older switch so possibly the newer Napa or equivalent replacement might behave better. > Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 07:34:18 -0700 > From: binduni at gmail.com > To: triumphs at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [TR] Brake light woes > > Not sure I follow the logic of the Dot 5 fluid - I've used this in at least > a dozen cars I've restored and have never had an issue because of it. I > have, however, learned that the mechanical pressure switch is a finicky > bugger, and have also learned that if I fill the pressure inlet with fluid, > it will push the air out that is trapped in there. Remember, if you have > air in your brake lines, the brakes don't work so well. Same goes for the > switch. You need to "bleed" the air out of it before installing it. I'm not > claiming that the switch works exactly like a mech switch, but pretty > close. If there is enough pressure to engage the brakes, the lights should > come on. > > Of course, this is assuming the switch is new, which is an absolute must! > > Brian >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: davewillner at pa.net (davewillner) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 14:29:06 -0400 Subject: [TR] Price of B. Piggott's Original TR2,3? I was looking for some TR3 items in the UK on eBay and I came across a used copy of Bill Piggott's "Original TR2/3/3A" offered at $625.00. Can't believe it, how's that possible? Dave Willner 59 TR3A 70 MGB 70 BSA 441 VS [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of Emoticon9.gif] >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: zoboherald at aol.com (Andrew S. Mace) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 16:03:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [TR] Price of B. Piggott's Original TR2,3? References: <3BFE883C863649CBBA3095627336E086@home2b99dc0107> Just "Google" the title and you'll see worse! Sadly, I remember when a decent TR2/3/3A "driver" cost less than the asking price of some copies of this book! :( --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: italyfound at gmail.com (Italyfound) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2014 08:01:55 +0200 Subject: [TR] Triumph Club Quick question on a club in Michigan...... Is anyone familiar with the Detroit Triumph Sports Car Club? Is this club still active. I have been trying to contact them but have received no response to emails... Thx, Alex Manzo 59 TR3A 72 TR6 00 Fiat Barchetta >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: perryfly at gmail.com (Perry Hammock) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 21:33:37 -0400 Subject: [TR] TR3 Broken Clutch Taper Pin Removal Perhaps I finally have something to contribute today after removing the transmission in my TR3A I found the clutch fork taper pin was broken at the threads. read up on the remedies suggested, ecch. I cleaned up the area, and tried to think of another way. I got my 1/4 sheet vibrating sander, wedged the grease fitting on the cross shaft between the platen and the body and let it vibrate the assembly. After about a minute or so, the pin fell out with out any other encouragement Bob's your Uncle! That was easy, and the beer tasted so wonderful. Just a suggestion next time you face the same dilemma. Perry Hammock 1960 TR3A O >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2014 08:49:59 -0400 Subject: [TR] Price of B. Piggott's Original TR2,3? References: <3BFE883C863649CBBA3095627336E086@home2b99dc0107> Tell me when one sells for that price, and then I'll be impressed. It takes nothing to ask a crazy amount. Do you have a link to the listing? I can't find it... Don On 6/13/14, davewillner wrote: > I was looking for some TR3 items in the UK on eBay and I came across a used > copy of Bill Piggott's "Original TR2/3/3A" offered at $625.00. Can't > believe > it, how's that possible? > > Dave Willner > 59 TR3A > 70 MGB > 70 BSA 441 VS >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: gpr at key-men.com (George Richardson) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2014 12:23:05 -0400 Subject: [TR] TR3 rotors I've got a 1957 TR3, the first year the car had disc brakes. The rotors are shots and I wanted to replace them. I learned some time back that the cars brakes were not original. The pads, shoes, front calipers and rear cylinders all seemed to be from a TR4. I ordered parts from Moss, including 10 3/4" rotors. Unfortunately, after getting them and mounting one, I find that the old rotors are 10 1/4", and the calipers don't fit. Anyone know what takes a 10 1/4" rotor? TR6 maybe? -- George Richardson Key Men - Keys for Classics www.key-men.com 1957 Triumph TR3 1961 Jaguar Mark 2 1975 Triumph TR6 1997 Land Rover Discovery >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: glevit1 at msn.com (glevit1) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 15:08:43 -0700 Subject: [TR] Brake Switch Hard to engage with silicone fluid Follow link for discussion of hydralic switch with silicone fluid. http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/electric/et119a.htm Follow link for this swith which spe if it's that it can be used with silicone fluid and operates on low pressure of 20 to 50 psi Gerry http://www.ronfrancis.com/prodinfo.asp?number=SW-32 >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 23:37:38 +0000 Subject: [TR] Brake light woes > Of course, this is assuming the switch is new, which is an absolute must! So, you have to replace the switch every time you use the brakes? I've used DOT 5 for several decades now, and I love it. The original brake light switch in my previous TR3A (which was converted in 1985 or so) lasted a long time, but eventually failed in just the manner described. It would still work if the pressure was high enough, but the pressure required kept getting higher and higher until even a fairly hard stop would not light the brake lights. Not a Good Thing. Several replacements from various sources (including a repro switch from Moss and a Ford replacement from FLAPS) went the same way in fairly short order (less than a year for each one, some in only a few weeks). Changing to a mechanical switch solved the problem permanently. Well, almost permanently. I did have one problem where the reservoir was leaking a tiny amount, and the fluif ran down the pedal and got into the switch ... causing a similar failure in a mechanical switch! The moral seems clear, DOT 5 and switch contacts do not get along! A post-mortem on the switch showed moisture along the shaft, which felt like DOT 5, and a hard black substance on the contacts, which I now believe to be silicon from burned DOT 5. But having been pushed into it, I do rather like having brake lights that come on _before_ braking starts, rather than after. With the mechanical switch, they come on as soon as I put my foot on the pedal, instead of waiting until the pedal has moved far enough to build pressure in the system. Randall >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: tr3abobm77 at frontier.com (Triumph) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 09:20:46 -0400 Subject: [TR] Price of B. Piggott's Original TR2,3? References: <3BFE883C863649CBBA3095627336E086@home2b99dc0107> I just typed "Original Triumph TR2/3/3A" in Google and the first listing was from Amazon. They show 11 used from $299.95 and 4 new from $614.48 so there is something going on. Other sites seem to support this high price also. Bob Maassel Fort Wayne, IN 1959 TR3A tr3abobm77 at frontier.com >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: tr250driver at gmail.com (darrell floyd) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 10:48:01 -0400 Subject: [TR] Brake light woes Hey Guys, I did get a switch from Napa, the only one they had in the general area last Tuesday and put it in the 3B, the lights worked well but I carried thru with a brake bleed just to be sure. The Four improved some after a brake bleed so I just took that one to TRA. Going to put a new switch in her shortly. Yes I guess the Dot 5 is ruining the switches. The 3b switch is only a few years old. Some say the Napa switches are better? Cheers, Darrell >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: lee at automate-it.com (Lee Daniels) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 09:37:33 -0500 Subject: [TR] Price of B. Piggott's Original TR2,3? References: <3BFE883C863649CBBA3095627336E086@home2b99dc0107> I'm pretty sure that there are often items listed on eBay that are purely money laundering. There's a particular blank journal that my wife uses, usually sold for about $20, and we once found one of them listed for $16,000. Or this reference work (used in my work) that is available for about $300, here listed for $2,462.63: http://r.ebay.com/LnbgWY But $625 for Piggott's book probably isn't enough to justify anything illegal, it's more likely someone just trying to test the market. On Fri, June 13, 2014 13:29, davewillner wrote: > I was looking for some TR3 items in the UK on eBay and I came across a used > copy of Bill Piggott's "Original TR2/3/3A" offered at $625.00. Can't believe > it, how's that possible? > > Dave Willner > 59 TR3A > 70 MGB > 70 BSA 441 VS >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 14:06:24 -0500 Subject: [TR] Price of B. Piggott's Original TR2,3? References: <3BFE883C863649CBBA3095627336E086@home2b99dc0107> The real question is "is anyone buying?" There is also a used TR3 nose emblem that has been there for months at only $424.00 + shipping, no takers. >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: auprichard at uprichard.net (Andrew Uprichard) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 16:36:10 -0400 Subject: [TR] Dzus question After removing the stanchion plates from the front scuttle, I see that one of the "S"-shaped pieces (to which the Dzus bolt attaches) has snapped. I remember somewhere seeing these pieces new, but I cannot seem to find them. The guy at Moss Motors didn't even know what I was talking about. Does anyone have advice on how I could get my hands on one? As an aside, is anyone else getting frustrated with Moss? Seems that recently I have had so many issues: wrong parts sent, broken stuff, sales reps not having a clue... Were that everything worked as well as this list (Hi, Mark !) Andrew Uprichard. >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: greg at gelhar.com (greg at gelhar.com) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 19:23:05 -0400 Subject: [TR] Price of B. Piggott's Original TR2,3? References: <3BFE883C863649CBBA3095627336E086@home2b99dc0107> I have a nice copy of that book. Anyone want to give me $100 for it and flip it for a profit? Greg G. Osseo, MN >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: glemon at neb.rr.com (Greg Lemon) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 20:02:57 -0500 Subject: [TR] Price of B. Piggott's Original TR2,3? References: <3BFE883C863649CBBA3095627336E086@home2b99dc0107> Do you think people will actually pay anywhere near those asking prices for the books?, I know when I was looking the the equivalent book for the TR4-6 they were asking in the $100 or more range, I eventually found one on E-bay Canada for about $20 and pounced, but don't know if there are such bargains anymore. But I can't imagine paying that kind of money for a recently published book that retailed for less than a tenth that a few years ago even if I did have that kind of money to spend on such a book. Greg Lemon >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: dave at ranteer.com (dave n) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 22:00:12 -0500 Subject: [TR] help with identifying gaskets hi. Ibve got these gaskets that are supposed to go with my 57 TR3. http://www.ranteer.com/misc/ its been an on again, off again kind of restoration, and I was hoping someone could tell me where these go. thanks! >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 18:16:52 -0700 Subject: [TR] Brake light woes References: <20140613233738.SPGRW.11668.root@cdptpa-web27> On the subject of brake light switches... this is the mechanical switch I added on my other (non-TR) British car: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000E5DILY/ref=pe_385040_30332200_pe_309540_26725410_item I left the hydraulic switch in place (which has not failed despite my using DOT5) and added the above switch with a simple metal bracket in the footwell operated by pedal arm movement. I had no problems with the hydraulic switch but do like that the mechanical switch operates the brake lights with only the slightest pedal movement - which may happen well in advance of serious braking. Looking at the TR3A pedal box I think that same switch might fit into the hole in the front lip of the box to be actuated by the upper tip of the pedal arm (very similar to a TR4 switch). Otherwise, an interior bracket may be needed. Yeah, I know the usuals carry mechanical switches but I have heard mixed results with those (esp the white plastic version) whereas this metal version has been used by quite a few LBC owners with success. Geo On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Randall wrote: > > Of course, this is assuming the switch is new, which is an absolute must! > > So, you have to replace the switch every time you use the brakes? > > I've used DOT 5 for several decades now, and I love it. The original > brake light switch in my previous TR3A (which was converted in 1985 or so) > lasted a long time, but eventually failed in just the manner described. It > would still work if the pressure was high enough, but the pressure required > kept getting higher and higher until even a fairly hard stop would not > light the brake lights. Not a Good Thing. > > Several replacements from various sources (including a repro switch from > Moss and a Ford replacement from FLAPS) went the same way in fairly short > order (less than a year for each one, some in only a few weeks). > > Changing to a mechanical switch solved the problem permanently. Well, > almost permanently. I did have one problem where the reservoir was leaking > a tiny amount, and the fluif ran down the pedal and got into the switch ... > causing a similar failure in a mechanical switch! The moral seems clear, > DOT 5 and switch contacts do not get along! A post-mortem on the switch > showed moisture along the shaft, which felt like DOT 5, and a hard black > substance on the contacts, which I now believe to be silicon from burned > DOT 5. > > But having been pushed into it, I do rather like having brake lights that > come on _before_ braking starts, rather than after. With the mechanical > switch, they come on as soon as I put my foot on the pedal, instead of > waiting until the pedal has moved far enough to build pressure in the > system. > > Randall > >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 11:06:56 -0700 Subject: [TR] Price of B. Piggott's Original TR2,3? References: <3BFE883C863649CBBA3095627336E086@home2b99dc0107> On 6/16/14, 6:20 AM, Triumph wrote: > I just typed "Original Triumph TR2/3/3A" in Google and the first > listing was from Amazon. They show 11 used from $299.95 and 4 new from > $614.48 so there is something going on. Other sites seem to support > this high price also. > geeeezzzz Maybe I should sell my copy. TeriAnn >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex&Janet Thomson) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 07:22:12 -0400 Subject: [TR] Fw: LED instrument lights on EBAY References: <83FE11EAF59440C6A64A9A03CB797324@livingroompc> <539A320E.4020102@rmi.net> Try searching for 2062580 (I think that might be the catalog page number) or search for "rectifiers". Alex Thomson -----Original Message----- From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Roger Elliott Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 7:05 PM To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Fw: LED instrument lights on EBAY Could you repeat the Radio Shack link? I clicked on it an Radio Shack is not able to find the part. I even searched for 2062581 which I guess is the part number. Roger >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: dave1massey at cs.com (Dave) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 08:15:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [TR] help with identifying gaskets References: <428A233B85D14A38B1E29C96DC3CC6C5@Ranteer.local> Those look like the gaskets that are attached to the bottom side of the doors. There is a series of holes that accept special clips (TRF number 552901) that hold the seals in place. Note that the seal rolls up the leading edge of the door. I don't recognize the metal strip. Dave Massey 57 TR3 (and others) -----Original Message----- From: dave n To: triumphs Sent: Mon, Jun 16, 2014 11:48 pm Subject: [TR] help with identifying gaskets hi. Ibve got these gaskets that are supposed to go with my 57 TR3. http://www.ranteer.com/misc/ its been an on again, off again kind of restoration, and I was hoping someone could tell me where these go. thanks! >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 05:48:57 -0700 Subject: [TR] help with identifying gaskets References: <428A233B85D14A38B1E29C96DC3CC6C5@Ranteer.local> Possibly door seals / draft seals? See item 19 here: http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=29160&SortOrder=410 And items 40 & 42 here: http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=29156 On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 8:00 PM, dave n wrote: > hi. > > Ib ve got these gaskets that are supposed to go with my 57 TR3. > > http://www.ranteer.com/misc/ > > its been an on again, off again kind of restoration, and I was hoping > someone > could tell me where these go. > > thanks! > >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 13:13:11 +0000 Subject: [TR] help with identifying gaskets ---- dave n wrote: > hi. > > Ibve got these gaskets that are supposed to go with my 57 TR3. > > http://www.ranteer.com/misc/ > > its been an on again, off again kind of restoration, and I was hoping someone > could tell me where these go. They look to me like the water seals that go along the bottom of the doors; plus a short section where the top of the door meets the scuttle. Unfortunately, they might also be the ones that don't fit very good. The originals were somehow molded with varying density, so the section that goes into the clips on the door was much firmer than the lip that goes against the body; allowing the clip to hold while the rest of the seal crushed to fit. Many if not all of the seals available today have the firmer density all the way, so they don't crush and hold the door open slightly. Good Luck, Randall >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: tom628 at verizon.net (Tom Note) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 23:29:58 -0400 Subject: [TR] TR3 Broken Clutch Taper Pin Removal References: Way to go, Perry! Thanks for passing that on. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Perry Hammock" To: Sent: Friday, June 13, 2014 9:33 PM Subject: [TR] TR3 Broken Clutch Taper Pin Removal > Perhaps I finally have something to contribute > today after removing the transmission in my TR3A > I found the clutch fork taper pin was broken at the threads. > read up on the remedies suggested, ecch. > > I cleaned up the area, and tried to think of another way. > I got my 1/4 sheet vibrating sander, wedged the grease fitting on the > cross > shaft between the platen and the body and let it vibrate the assembly. > After about a minute or so, the pin fell out with out any other > encouragement > Bob's your Uncle! That was easy, and the beer tasted so wonderful. > > Just a suggestion next time you face the same dilemma. > > Perry Hammock > 1960 TR3A O > >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: thenicholls at verizon.net (thenicholls at verizon.net) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 16:08:27 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [TR] K&N air filters, oil, and cleaner Don't know if anyone on the list will see this, but I will send anyway. I have a set of used K&N Air filters, oil, and cleaner on Ebay. Item number 221463677155 . If anyone is interested (Financial interest), please contact me at "TheNicholls at Verizon.Net". Thanks, Craig 72 Triumph TR6 >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: wsb1960tr3a at att.net (William Brewer) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2014 19:23:32 -0700 Subject: [TR] TR3 Lip Type Crank Seal I have a Triumph Renown that leaks oil out the rear seal at the rate of about a quart every 20 miles. It is really something. I am thinking of going through the engine next winter. Moss charges about $200 for a lip type rear seal conversion kit. I see something similar on Ebay for $99. Has anyone tried one of these? Is it the same? http://www.ebay.com/itm/151290877125?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m 1423.l2649 TIA, Bill in Tehachapi >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: pethier7 at gmail.com (Philip Ethier) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 00:20:05 -0500 Subject: [TR] K&N air filters, oil, and cleaner References: <19443631.439973.1403039307084.JavaMail.root@vznit170126> I saw it. On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 4:08 PM, wrote: > Don't know if anyone on the list will see this, but I will send anyway. > > > I have a set of used K&N Air filters, oil, and cleaner on Ebay. Item > number 221463677155 . > > > If anyone is interested (Financial interest), please contact me at > "TheNicholls at Verizon.Net". > > > Thanks, > > > Craig > 72 Triumph TR6 -- pethier at comcast.net still works also Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2005 Subaru Legacy GT Limited, Regal Blue Pearl http://www.mnautox.com >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 14:28:00 -0700 Subject: [TR] Brake light woes > I left the hydraulic switch in place (which has not failed > despite my using > DOT5) and added the above switch with a simple metal bracket in the > footwell operated by pedal arm movement. FWIW, here's a shot of my bracket & switch on the TR3. http://tinyurl.com/of5qowk Someday I'll "restore" that area and clean things up a bit, this was a quick and dirty to get the car on the road in time for TRfest 2009. > Looking at the TR3A pedal box I think that same switch might > fit into the > hole in the front lip of the box to be actuated by the upper > tip of the > pedal arm (very similar to a TR4 switch). Probably not the same switch, but I found one at FLAPS that would fit in that position on my previous TR3A. However, the TR3 has pedal stops in those holes (as original), and I didn't really like having the obviously wrong switch hanging out under the hood anyway. Hence the above setup (which is invisible unless you crawl under the dash). > Yeah, I know the usuals carry mechanical switches but I have > heard mixed > results with those (esp the white plastic version) whereas this metal > version has been used by quite a few LBC owners with success. Again FWIW, the mixed metal/plastic switch shown in the above shot lasted less than 2 years from installation. I'm currently running one of the white plastic ones from TRF, and it has been working fine since 2010. Randall >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: cfmtr3a at verizon.net (Carl TR) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2014 20:26:38 -0400 Subject: [TR] List up and running? I haven't received anything in several days. Carl 1960 Triumph TR3A - TS81802LO Tampa, FL >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: creig555 at live.com (Creig Houghtaling) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 11:27:31 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR6 burning oil My friend's TR6 is consuming oil. In addition, the #5 spark plug fouls regularly and needs to be cleaned or replaced to run smoothly again. I am guessing these two issues might be related... The oil fouling the plug... If that is the case, what is the most likely route for the oil problem? >From the cylinder head? Or from the rings? Creig Creig Houghtlaing 314-401-7817 St. Louis Triumph Owners Association www.sltoa.org >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: ghaynestr4 at aol.com (George Haynes) Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 21:12:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [TR] Exhaust Pieces Would John DeLuca please send me the name and address of the source for stainless TR4A exhaust pieces he purchased. Many thanks! George >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: dixie4.wales at virgin.net (ADRIAN DIX-DYER) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 10:15:06 +0100 Subject: [TR] TR6 burning oil References: In the first instance, a compression test should indicate No5 being low. If so put a small amount of oil down the plug hole and do the test on this bore again. If it rises significantly then this would confirm the piston or piston rings are at fault. IMHO if the overall compressions on all cyls are low I am afraid its a major rebuild. Adrian TR4A CT64306 O Wales UK On 22 June 2014 17:27, Creig Houghtaling wrote: > My friend's TR6 is consuming oil. In addition, the #5 spark plug fouls > regularly and needs to be cleaned or replaced to run smoothly again. I am > guessing these two issues might be related... The oil fouling the plug... > If that is the case, what is the most likely route for the oil problem? > From the cylinder head? Or from the rings? > > Creig > > Creig Houghtlaing 314-401-7817 > St. Louis Triumph Owners Association > www.sltoa.org >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: creig555 at live.com (Creig Houghtaling) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 06:50:10 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR6 burning oil References: It has been a while since we have done a compression checkb& Thatbs a good thing to check. Thanks. >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: tswhitez123 at hotmail.com (tom white) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 12:05:37 +0000 Subject: [TR] mounting trunk lid & spare tire cover gaskets.s In the past I have mounted the trunk ld gasket and spare tire cove gasket for my TR3A with adhesive. Eighteen years ago I used contact cement and the mounting was tedious and difficult. This time around I attempted to use 3M Super Strength trim adhesive. After three attempts yielding only partiel bonding results I decided to try a special plastic bonding agent I had bought for a difficult plastic bonding project. The product I used is Tech Bond. I found that I could put a few drops in the channel for the gasket and then push the gasket firmly down into the channel and get strong adhesion within second. I repaired the loose areas of the trunk lid gasket this way. Then for the spare tire cove gasket I began by cutting it to size and bonding the ends togethewr with two drops of Tech Bond. Then I placed the gasket into the channel the way it should fit and held it in place with strips of painters tape every foot or so. Then I would pull a section of the gasket out of the channel and place a few drops of Tech Bond on the gasket mounting surface. Then I would use a tongue depressor to push the gasket into the channel until it was firmly seated. I would hold the gasket in place for a few seconds and then repeat the process on another section. I had the spare tire cover gasket mounted in less than 30 minutes with no need for masking, or spraying adhesive, and no clean up. One word opf caution is do not get Teck Bond on your fingers and then touch the gasket or you will be glued to the gasket. The URL for Tech Bond is below: http://shop.tech-bond.net/Tech-Bond-Starter-Kits-for-your-repair-7001.htm Get the stater kit with the SI Blue adhesive. Also be careful about using the spray Activator as it will cause instantaneous bonding. I have no financial interest in the product. Best regards, Tom >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: dixie4.wales at virgin.net (ADRIAN DIX-DYER) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 14:10:00 +0100 Subject: [TR] TR3 Lip Type Crank Seal References: <1403144612.23053.YahooMailNeo@web180902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I would take a look at the www.tr4_racing.com web site. It contains details of a far better set up which retains the scroll, (a belt and braces set up.) The US agent is Joe Alexander, he is on the list. Adrian TR4A CT64306 O Wales UK >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 06:21:41 -0700 Subject: [TR] TR3 Lip Type Crank Seal > Moss charges about $200 for a > lip type rear > seal conversion kit. I see something similar on Ebay for $99. > Has anyone tried > one of these? Is it the same? My suggestion would be to stay far, far away from the conversion that requires the scroll to be ground off. Numerous people have reported that the result leaked worse than the original (which can be made to work quite well if you use the updated mandrel dimensions instead of those shown in the manuals). One of our local club members had to have the crank replaced after a mistake was discovered in the instructions. (The instructions I got had been changed by hand twice!) If you want a lip type seal, the 'Viton' conversion offered (only) by TRF and ARE is much better, IMO. It doesn't require the scroll to be ground off, and actually keeps the scroll seal functional; adding the lip seal as a secondary seal. The only suggested crank mod is to polish the area between the scroll and flange. Note that the kit includes a mandrel made to the corrected dimensions. (I've heard reports that the one sold by Moss is wrong.) http://tinyurl.com/pfmoqw2 Honestly, though, a quart every 20 miles seems extreme. Are you certain it is the rear main seal and not one of the plugs on the block and/or head? Is the oil level correct? Randall >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan (HP IT)) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 13:31:54 +0000 Subject: [TR] List up and running? References: <000001cf8db0$a20a2c90$e61e85b0$@verizon.net> DMARC has totally f'ed up mailing lists. We are using the Mailman utility as part of the VTR hosted service offered to affiliates for our club mailing lists and it is a mess. This may be the last straw before we just give up and move everything to Facebook. Stan >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 08:55:51 -0700 Subject: [TR] TR3 Lip Type Crank Seal References: <1403144612.23053.YahooMailNeo@web180902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Bill - I have not done this but would be wary of the kits (Moss & ebay) that require grinding the crank. Some find this works out well for them but I recall some who had problems & the 'fix' is irreversible. Instead, I believe there is an alternative that does not modify the crank or (of course) the original style seal can be renewed. Okay, a search turns up this: http://www.the-vintage-racer.com/index.php/categoryhome/engine-components/product/53-vsk-t34 Geo >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 11:36:37 -0500 Subject: [TR] Standard-Triumph Marque Day at Brooklands over the weekend The Standard Triumph Marque Day was held at Brooklands yesterday (June 22, 2014). http://www.standardmotorclub.org.uk/standard-triumph-marque-day.html Looks like it would have been fun to attend. That Dolomite tribute car would have been especially interesting. Lotsa pix here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/philip-smith/sets/72157645307413014/ >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 0:54:22 +0000 Subject: [TR] TR6 burning oil > > My friend's TR6 is consuming oil. In addition, the #5 spark plug fouls > > regularly and needs to be cleaned or replaced to run smoothly again. I am > > guessing these two issues might be related... The oil fouling the plug... > > If that is the case, what is the most likely route for the oil problem? > > From the cylinder head? Or from the rings? Unfortunately, the most likely explanation IMO is damage to the cylinder wall or piston. Might be just a broken ring, or badly worn valve guide, though. Rather than mess with a compression test (which can sometimes be misleading), I would go ahead and pull the head to check the valve. Your friend knows he has a problem, and he will need to pull the head anyway, even if the problem is rings/piston/cylinder wall. And it's worth checking the valves when the head is off even if they aren't the primary problem. Randall >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: jpaynepbr at cox.net (Jonas Payne) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 06:30:54 -0700 Subject: [TR] TR6 burning oil References: Do a leak down test on it to determine whether it's the rings or the valves. Mine was burning lots of oil too - it was the rings and the valve guides. The oil scraper rings were seriously stuck in what appeared to be a carbon-concrete. Jonas Payne PBR Consulting Services, LLC 702.882.6711 >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: dave at ranteer.com (dave n) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2014 16:12:27 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR3 interior (not tr3a) anyone who has a more or less correct tr3 b would you mind contacting me offline? I need some interior photos. thanks dave at ranteer.com >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 06:40:39 -0700 Subject: [TR] Price of B. Piggott's Original TR2,3? > But $625 for Piggott's book probably isn't enough to justify > anything illegal, > it's more likely someone just trying to test the market. Agree. I believe it was PT Barnum that said there is one born every minute. And there seem to be several book sellers that speculate in this type of book, waiting for someone to come along that just has to have one, no matter the price. Someone asked for a link: http://tinyurl.com/kdedfy6 Randall >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: italyfound at gmail.com (Italyfound) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 11:51:26 +0200 Subject: [TR] Test Is this server down? Email being rejected... Alex Manzo From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: timipurdy at citlink.net (Tim Purdy) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2014 14:22:45 -0700 Subject: [TR] TR4 Bonnet I have a few problems of late with my '64 Triumph, one being the brake lines. However, yesterday, when I wanted to check the fluid level, the bonnet appears stuck and wont open. How can I easily determine whether the cable is broken. Since the release lever does not open it, is there an alternative to opening it? How frustrating with nice driving weather, and I can't in the TR4. >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: jpaynepbr at cox.net (Jonas Payne) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 08:31:03 -0700 Subject: [TR] Slow Fast Slow Fast References: <9Go41o00b0NyJgq01Go7ap> Look for heat marks/discoloration on your rotors. These "hot spots" are work hardened metal and can cause a pulsation. If you have them, they can't be machined out. They can be caused by using a pad that is too hard. I run the softest pads I can find on all my cars. Jonas Payne PBR Consulting Services, LLC 702.882.6711 >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 03:20:28 -0700 Subject: [TR] Slow Fast Slow Fast > Just checked the rotor > runout and it's > way out of spec on the right and OK (.005) on the left. > > Should I turn both rotors? IMO, replace the right, leave the left alone except for breaking the glaze. If the right rotor warped that badly, then it's almost certainly a bad casting and will just warp again. > They aren't scored; if I turn > them must I put in > new pads? Should be OK to reuse the old pads, if they look alright. But since they normally wear out first, changing them now may mean longer before you change them again. Kind of depends on what your time is worth to change them. Randall >From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net From: thenicholls at verizon.net (thenicholls at verizon.net) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2014 16:22:34 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [TR] LED instrument lights on EBAY Anyone out there purchased and is using these LED instrument lights listed on EBAY? http://www.ebay.com/itm/300923024335?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 Craig 72 Triumph TR6 From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:16 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9CD225848E5 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2014 14:10:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-queue03.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF52525803FF for ; Sat, 31 May 2014 07:13:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com ([107.14.174.243]) by cdptpa-queue05.email.rr.com (InterMail vM.8.04.01.13 201-2343-100-167-20131028) with ESMTP id <20140530164630.WTXV3991.cdptpa-queue05.email.rr.com@cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com> for ; Fri, 30 May 2014 16:46:30 +0000 Received: from [76.171.56.44] ([76.171.56.44:55005] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 4C/90-25046-B02B8835; Fri, 30 May 2014 16:30:03 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'John Macartney'" , Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 09:30:02 -0700 Thread-Index: AQIXNqYlx0Y18LvWsC70CqUVa6kciprJPFLAgACV+fA= Subject: Re: [TR] 4 vs 6 vane water pump impellor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO > Oh Fountainhead of such unquestionable knowledge, may I most > respectfully > suggest you do a quick spool-back and exclude the Stag V8? :) You are quite right, John, I was thinking only of the TR2-6, not the Stag nor other Triumphs that I have no experience with (Spitfire, Herald, etc.). I should have been more explicit. > It's > bete-noire was > cooling. Period. I agree entirely, and yet I still feel that lack of water movement was not it's primary issue. Cooling systems, like chains, are only as strong as their weakest link. The Stags' biggest cooling problem (ignoring things like casting sand left inside the coolant passages and heads that leak combustion gases into the coolant) appears to be lack of air flow through the radiator, combined with insufficient surface area of the radiator. The body design has limited area for air to flow into the radiator, and a largish open space underneath the radiator that I believe allows air to "pile up" in the space behind the radiator, further blocking air flow. Some folks have even observed that upgrading the radiator can be counter-productive, as the increased fin and tube count further obstructs the air flow through the radiator. As I'm sure you know, the Stag underwent several major redesigns of the cooling system. Practically every component was changed at least once. And yet, the water pump itself was not changed during those early revisions. They did eventually switch to a 12 vane pump, but that was much later (after the Stag was no longer imported to the US). The reasons for that change are debatable, but since there were no other cooling changes at the time, the theory that it was a "parts consolidation" effort makes sense to me. I own an early Stag, with the early cooling system completely stock except for a recored radiator. When it runs hot, the water coming back from the radiator is still almost as hot as what went in. If the water flow was the limiting factor in cooling, then the water coming back would be significantly cooler. So, for TR2-6 and Stag, I still feel that lack of water flow is not the main source of cooling problems. I've not tried running a 12 vane pump on my Stags; but I have tried going from 4 to 6 on my TR3, and it made NO detectable difference in cooling. Once I found and fixed the real problem, all the cooling problems disappeared like magic, even with a 4 vane pump. YMMV of course. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:16 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C393258581E for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2014 14:18:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB83725802F0 for ; Sat, 31 May 2014 11:13:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta19.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.76]) by qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8h3A1o0011eYJf8AFh8993; Sat, 31 May 2014 17:08:09 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.45] ([86.144.114.250]) by omta19.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8h7z1o00D5QCq0u01h8Axt; Sat, 31 May 2014 17:08:27 +0000 References: From: Anthony Rhodes Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 18:07:55 +0100 To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" s=q20140121; t=1401556089; bh=YOCVYzeVMzmSXVYFcqysUiZvDE6ws5ylL/w3NM8Sc6Y=; h=Received:Received:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-Id:From: Subject:Date:To; b=YtWInidqkVOQrfUIrLLKWFkoztUWBZQ/TyFZ9dewSI2CO+w3j94EhXdDciObqAzlK KDNjcgbE7paPUR2oxwmIOSpzutuFWpq7bresG9d87a6fWP4UNx8AkpKimJUCAIFz/4 2UJjyKnjUmA+lKXAngfeMMemz9Blx0BlLnB/m64+dCPnJ73pa5zCCG4qbKMTVUGEJT MTJF8zt78AN2aoIpzLmxXwNjMdF2dPoq3KuaBFmwHUNtFyx2kwORFyVQClIFqAM6Io dbjXMmYgGA5ip2pPO+WmVzG2AQZnOcgIBr7dIe1MmUS9RVz/i0lFk673fe0ANakxfm jbGvVty0K4huA== Subject: Re: [TR] 4 vs 6 vane water pump impellor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Bob, I agree with the reply saying more flow should result on BETTER cooling, all else being equal. But not everything else is necessarily equal. I think the biggest issue is laminar vs turbulent flow in the head and radiator. Once flow gets turbulent them maybe this worsens or improves heat conduction. I can see arguments both ways. For sure, as soon as flow gets turbulent, then resistance to flow increases. There can be a point where added pressure does not improve flow much even without pipes collapsing -Tony Sent from my iPhone On May 28, 2014, at 7:00 PM, triumphs-request@autox.team.net wrote: > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 25 May 2014 21:04:25 -0400 > From: "Bob Danielson" <75TR6@TR6.Danielsonfamily.org> > To: > Subject: [TR] 4 vs 6 vane water pump impellor > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > I recently had a TR6 spare water pump rebuilt by The Flying Dutchman and one > of his options is a 6 vane impellor. I installed the pump last week and had > the upper coolant hose (thermostat to manifold) burst yesterday. Between > then and now, it covered over 250 highway miles with no problems. In > examining the hose I can see where it was full of cracks and check marks so > the failure is probably coincidence. As a result of my problem there's a > discussion in 6-Pack on the advantage/disadvantage of a 6 vane water pump. > > One group feels there's less cavitation and more volume pumped through the > system. > > Another group feels it pumps the water through the system too fast and the > radiator can't cool it properly so the car runs hotter. Another view was > that with the thermostat closed it could increase the pressure and expose > the hose as a fail point. > > All speculation and theory so........ does anyone know the > advantages/disadvantages of 4 vs 6 vane? Rimmer and Racetorations both sell > it as an upgrade to the cooling system > > Thanks > > Bob ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:17 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE5A72585CC2 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2014 14:20:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m02.mx.aol.com (omr-m02.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.76]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CDAB25802F0 for ; Sat, 31 May 2014 11:48:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mba01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mba01.mx.aol.com [172.26.133.111]) by omr-m02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 87F00700000A9 for ; Sat, 31 May 2014 13:40:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dnd003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dnd003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.182.201]) by mtaomg-mba01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 5CEE738000083 for ; Sat, 31 May 2014 13:40:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Harrymague@aol.com Full-name: Harrymague Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 13:40:23 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1401558023; bh=iGWW2spghOsVrNl3OTPx14pCw8F+1jBmrmi0wDR0ycg=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=EF47SDXJNuWyXx8+5AYBmeLliDHeRuPNGGa6aPPZ0zlEbQrGCxql/VivjFp4AoYTk mUVzIrkBOrgF7H655Y5BssmNQi1GyV2igvi2CYekqk7T/RoItXaWFWfNEvpUP2Erkr Zbe+Vsu3U0/WBOs1oedWjOYHWl667xAwWjy+skBA= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1a856f538a1407618b Subject: [TR] 1974 TR6 Headrest Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Does anybody know how the adjustable headrest on a 1974 TR6 comes off. Got these neat seatbelt guides but I can't figure out if the headrest comes out or the second option is to cut the guides. Thanks Harry Mague ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:17 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C26292586292 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2014 14:23:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B6382580259 for ; Sat, 31 May 2014 12:17:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [76.171.56.44] ([76.171.56.44:55001] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id D7/CA-25046-0091A835; Sat, 31 May 2014 18:01:36 +0000 From: "Randall" To: Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 11:01:35 -0700 Thread-Index: AQIXNqYlx0Y18LvWsC70CqUVa6kciprJPFLAgAJFySA= Subject: Re: [TR] 4 vs 6 vane water pump impellor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO > may I most > respectfully > suggest you do a quick spool-back and exclude the Stag V8? :) > It was a mountain of trouble on the cooling side of things I'm not sure why this showed up again today; but I'd like to clarify what I said before. I think there is no doubt that the Stag cooling system was marginal at best (and criminally negligent at worst). Combined with an engine that is peculiarly sensitive to overheating (as in one boilover can result in thousands of dollars of damage); there is definitely room for improvement (especially with early Stags like mine). But to improve a system, you start by improving the weakest link. Adding more water flow to a cooling system that lacks adequate surface area and/or air flow through the radiator is not going to help (at least not by much), and may even make the situation worse. More flow means more energy to move the water, and that energy winds up as heat. More energy to move the water means more load on the engine, which also increases heat output. The Stag engine has a further weakness in that overloading the water pump drive can result in catastrophic failure (rather than just a slipping belt as on any 'normal' engine). So, to restate, while I agree that there is room for improvement in the cooling system in most Triumphs; I still haven't seen that increased water flow is an effective improvement for TR2-6 and Stag. Still just an opinion, of course, worth everything it costs. YMMV and all that. If you have evidence or anecdotes to the contrary, I'd love to hear them. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:17 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 735A025872A7 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2014 14:31:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f172.google.com (mail-ve0-f172.google.com [209.85.128.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B447A258008A for ; Sat, 31 May 2014 18:28:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f172.google.com with SMTP id oz11so3732003veb.17 for ; Sat, 31 May 2014 17:28:23 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=TmGix/KkuEsfzF4bMTohZIec3aNvdTirlooSXQR8EYY=; b=DhKSjAKhXXrkRexIdreLJKJEaUYQ8vXAMO6Hyjs4kvcXLVi2yJQWWUnAK5aYXOyMnq KKymax+xJ9otN/JF43+4UKbFNazc6EntpRAoX8VjKBGYuh3uTES4Ssjpz9VIyUu5P/GA 4j0LhfFC6yJCIx0kxCVTUkiHXqFxFdjDTMvmeTzmBhNFhmol1u6IfqHACMA11nSZ5IxU gs/QgjNJjh2ga+vGAFoMJ1bewsrULA4JSch3JrEABC+vTACeQsiuIFxFRQQCiohSJApA fKE25/g1rKo/5fl9oSpnlURe+s+c2COeRSdUhcJK86OGaVECU2dTOefvbOmv3xGqheno KWbw== xr5mr81885veb.36.1401582503367; Sat, 31 May 2014 17:28:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.105.233 with HTTP; Sat, 31 May 2014 17:28:23 -0700 (PDT) References: <5387e1a9.2902430a.400f.091fSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 17:28:23 -0700 From: "Lee&John Howard" To: Tony Drews Cc: triumph list list Subject: Re: [TR] Blown Gasket TR4 part III Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Man, I so don't want to do that. But I will. I'll drop the pan and disconnect just the forward two pistons and push the liners with pistons up through the block. Then replace the figure 8 gasket and rebuild. Does that sound OK? John On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 6:40 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > Always use something to clamp the liners in place when the head is off > before turning over the engine. Once you break the lower seal on the > liner, it's really best to pull the liner and clean up the figure 8 gasket > surfaces and replace those gaskets. I know that's not what you want to > hear, but that can certainly leak prodigious amounts of water into the oil. > > I use 1/2" drive sockets stacked up on the head studs with enough washers > I can put a head nut on to hold in place. > > Tony Drews > > > At 03:24 PM 5/29/2014, Lee&John Howard wrote: > >> I got back to the car yesterday and found that liner #1 protruded far >> beyond spec at .010. I assembled a few tubes and washers to simulate the >> factory liner hold down tool and managed to press the liner down to .005, >> just at spec. So, this is what probably caused the blow-out, although I >> wonder if simply turning the crank with the head off might have caused the >> liner to lift. >> >> Whatever ( as the grandkids say ad nauseum) - I'm going with the too-high >> liner as the cause, and will use a new and thicker gasket from British >> Parts Northwest. Plus new studs - I'm springing for the ARP's. >> >> As for the exhaust manifold, I'm cutting off the headers ( behind the >> collection point) and having its face trued up. Same with the manifold >> face >> on the head - flattened and new matched studs. Standard heavy duty >> gaskets >> from Moss. >> >> Should be back on the road in a week! Yeah, right. >> >> Thanks again >> >> John Howard >> >> ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tony@ >> tonydrews.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:17 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ACB925873B0 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2014 14:32:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from gproxy3-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy3-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.30.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 26C402580259 for ; Sat, 31 May 2014 20:15:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 12596 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jun 2014 01:49:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw3) (10.0.90.84) by gproxy3.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2014 01:49:00 -0000 Received: from just64.justhost.com ([173.254.28.64]) by cmgw3 with id 8pox1o0051NzpT901pp0LT; Sat, 31 May 2014 19:49:00 -0600 a=vuSASFU9Tp3ZfMgjgJIBGg==:117 a=Hioj460zRyWfL2YTOblAsQ==:17 a=BY8XqHikAAAA:8 a=f5113yIGAAAA:8 a=3QgEek-NIP4A:10 a=yKqyAkVeGwwA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=dKaUxyAQAAAA:8 a=PqYVp9QRvtMA:10 a=1C6ePdsXcAUA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=PqlaRC7xkW0AdEG4uTcA:9 a=GhPBE9cm5tCuaQXO:21 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=E3LtK94QmHYA:10 Received: from [50.83.132.111] (port=57185 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1WqutN-0007Lk-0u; Sat, 31 May 2014 19:48:57 -0600 Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 20:48:49 -0500 To: "Lee&John Howard" From: Tony Drews mail.com> References: <5387e1a9.2902430a.400f.091fSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> {sentby:smtp auth 50.83.132.111 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Cc: triumph list list Subject: Re: [TR] Blown Gasket TR4 part III Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:17 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29A6725873E3 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2014 14:32:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173023pub.verizon.net (vms173023pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.23]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96C942580259 for ; Sat, 31 May 2014 20:30:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.11] ([unknown] [74.96.248.161]) by vms173023.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0N6G00DPI82W5H20@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 31 May 2014 12:19:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Martin Secrest Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 13:18:32 -0400 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Slow Fast Slow Fast Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO The brakes on my GT6 are pulsing when applied. Not a big deal but noticeable for sure even under moderate braking. Just checked the rotor runout and it's way out of spec on the right and OK (.005) on the left. Should I turn both rotors? They aren't scored; if I turn them must I put in new pads? Martin Secrest ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:17 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A7A525888FE for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2014 18:52:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout.fuse.net [64.8.71.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEA4F2580575 for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2014 18:52:13 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=jhuQplDhD+1Fhj9ECbjk7g==:117 a=jhuQplDhD+1Fhj9ECbjk7g==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=kwnNSgr0QrQA:10 a=9iDbn-4jx3cA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=nk5H66me1TMEujFV_JEA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=P4_emJ4-ilecIRF00HsA:9 a=haT5xZexVR4Phtps:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com smtp.mail=dconnitt@fuse.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com header.from=dconnitt@fuse.net; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com: 74.215.65.95 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net Received: from [74.215.65.95] ([74.215.65.95:50103] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtp.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39787)) with ESMTP id 93/21-24930-F4DBB835; Sun, 01 Jun 2014 19:54:55 -0400 From: "Dave Connitt" To: Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2014 19:57:51 -0400 Subject: [TR] TR4A 400 mile checkup Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Today I put the TR4A up on jack stands and changed the oil and filter for it's 400 mile check. I started at the rear and worked my way up to the front checking for loose fastners or anything needing attention. All I found was; 1. Driver side rear brake needed adjusting. 2. Added a couple of ty-wraps on the speedometer cable. 3. Passenger side front wheel bearing was a tad loose. 4. retorqued the head and adjusted the valves. 5. I checked the spark plugs and the center electrodes are tan and the rest of the plug was black. Not bad I started installing the rear bumper today. I got as far as getting all the rear fastners and brackets loosely attached. I need to work on the side attachements and then I can start tightening things up. Last Friday, I drove it to work (about 45 miles round trip) and another 40 or so miles yesterday down the Ohio river and back. The reason I am not sure is that the speedometer needs to be rebuilt. It broke two speedometer cables until I caught on and disconnected it. The bearing that the main shaft runs it has stiffened up. I talked to a gauge rebuilder and he said it would take 4 weeks to rebuild Dave Connitt '67 TR4A IRS http://home.fuse.net/davestr4a ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:17 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9264A2585130 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2014 03:23:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from filter01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (filter01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECB4B25804AC for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2014 03:22:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by filter01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8185A272E0E for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2014 21:22:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay04.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net ([199.224.80.247]) by localhost (filter01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.228]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id phKoaFFto9dl for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2014 21:22:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (184-8-14-225.dr1.ssvl.ca.frontiernet.net [184.8.14.225]) by relay04.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 5652C2F80AD for ; Sun, 1 Jun 2014 21:22:45 +0000 (UTC) From: Tim Purdy Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2014 14:22:45 -0700 To: TR List Subject: [TR] TR4 Bonnet Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO I have a few problems of late with my '64 Triumph, one being the brake lines. However, yesterday, when I wanted to check the fluid level, the bonnet appears stuck and wont open. How can I easily determine whether the cable is broken. Since the release lever does not open it, is there an alternative to opening it? How frustrating with nice driving weather, and I can't in the TR4. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:17 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40A9D25869CC for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2014 15:50:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepi203.cox.net (fed1rmfepi203.cox.net [68.230.241.142]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A88B025803B3 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2014 11:47:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo306 ([68.230.241.174]) by fed1rmfepo102.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20140602153102.XDER5235.fed1rmfepo102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo306> for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2014 11:31:02 -0400 Received: from PBR2 ([70.180.186.33]) by fed1rmimpo306 with cox id 9TX11o0050jfpza01TX1Du; Mon, 02 Jun 2014 11:31:02 -0400 a=l7qAr4pkrT3R/UNpXqjcTg==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=YuxhqC5AI0RhUMJJpNMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=rzSo3inbiVIA:10 a=1ShgfUhhxh4A:10 a=GeaIOwvh37kA:10 a=l7qAr4pkrT3R/UNpXqjcTg==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) smtp.auth=jpaynepbr@cox.net From: "Jonas Payne" To: "'Martin Secrest'" , References: <9Go41o00b0NyJgq01Go7ap> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 08:31:03 -0700 Thread-Index: AQGrP7XphtSnag+z81fmp7Yc5lZdFJumbwNQ Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Slow Fast Slow Fast Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Look for heat marks/discoloration on your rotors. These "hot spots" are work hardened metal and can cause a pulsation. If you have them, they can't be machined out. They can be caused by using a pad that is too hard. I run the softest pads I can find on all my cars. Jonas Payne PBR Consulting Services, LLC 702.882.6711 ----- ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:17 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1492325888F6 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2014 17:34:51 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-queue05.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.232]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41451258039C for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2014 14:10:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com ([107.14.174.243]) by cdptpa-queue03.email.rr.com (InterMail vM.8.04.01.13 201-2343-100-167-20131028) with ESMTP id <20140602103653.MPDB9290.cdptpa-queue03.email.rr.com@cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com> for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2014 10:36:53 +0000 Received: from [76.171.56.44] ([76.171.56.44:55006] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 84/8B-06582-DEF4C835; Mon, 02 Jun 2014 10:20:29 +0000 From: "Randall" To: Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 03:20:28 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac9+QM9r2K72ssTYQmawSUN/qN4ypwACet8g Subject: Re: [TR] Slow Fast Slow Fast Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO > Just checked the rotor > runout and it's > way out of spec on the right and OK (.005) on the left. > > Should I turn both rotors? IMO, replace the right, leave the left alone except for breaking the glaze. If the right rotor warped that badly, then it's almost certainly a bad casting and will just warp again. > They aren't scored; if I turn > them must I put in > new pads? Should be OK to reuse the old pads, if they look alright. But since they normally wear out first, changing them now may mean longer before you change them again. Kind of depends on what your time is worth to change them. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:17 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1384325890A6 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 00:24:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B2B82580558 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 00:23:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vznit170132pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.60]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0N6K00GVP8PM1J50@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 02 Jun 2014 16:22:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 71.127.37.236 ([71.127.37.236]) by vznit170132 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Mon, 02 Jun 2014 16:22:34 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2014 16:22:34 -0500 (CDT) From: thenicholls@verizon.net To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] LED instrument lights on EBAY Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Anyone out there purchased and is using these LED instrument lights listed on EBAY? http://www.ebay.com/itm/300923024335?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 Craig 72 Triumph TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:17 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCAED25890C6 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 00:55:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173009pub.verizon.net (vms173009pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 780B92580427 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 00:54:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.10] ([unknown] [173.59.227.86]) by vms173009.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0N6K0089AZ7CKH00@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 03 Jun 2014 01:54:48 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2014 02:54:45 -0400 From: ptegler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 To: thenicholls@verizon.net, triumphs@autox.team.net References: <29087932.873617.1401744154230.JavaMail.root@vznit170132> Subject: Re: [TR] LED instrument lights on EBAY Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO bought a set about a year ago..... nice but more expensive than the sets I've since bought from Sencart.com ..not sure what happened to the pics...but one is still there about second fro mthe last row second pic from teh left. I have sets of red, green, blue, and white. They are all brighter than the ebay units you mention, and half the cost. nfi...just a satified experimenter, I used the green in my Triumph as the speedo and tach already had green lenses over the bulbs inside. now at least ALL my gauges are green. ptegler On 6/2/2014 5:22 PM, thenicholls@verizon.net wrote: > Anyone out there purchased and is using these LED instrument lights listed on EBAY? > > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/300923024335?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 > > > Craig > 72 Triumph TR6 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ptegler@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:17 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 830872588A4C for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 02:19:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from walmailout02.yourhostingaccount.com (walmailout02.yourhostingaccount.com [65.254.253.102]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE8D42580427 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 02:19:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailscan01.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.15.1] helo=walmailscan01.yourhostingaccount.com) by walmailout02.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1Wriag-0000Dg-LU for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 03 Jun 2014 02:52:58 -0400 Received: from impout01.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.55.1] helo=impout01.yourhostingaccount.com) by walmailscan01.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1Wriag-0002wH-94; Tue, 03 Jun 2014 02:52:58 -0400 Received: from webmail02.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.16.2]) by impout01.yourhostingaccount.com with NO UCE id 9isx1o00402gC1E01isxS5; Tue, 03 Jun 2014 02:52:57 -0400 a=GYzHc3mh05v8unprsQ0nVQ==:17 a=Q7zus9ReCAYA:10 a=wg63zuhbB7gA:10 a=yCwGVx20AAAA:8 a=ObD0-6JFAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=jnOtV5UDsPCFt77bfpQA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=QcFxcOnyDiYA:10 a=lmTa7uCIOpt40Gs1UKEA:9 a=KQqxNPgzF0kA:10 a=Sf_gFPzhefAA:10 a=7i7AYDHhYfgA:10 a=UVy8fwrxQz_BAFTd:18 a=dv0r53mSTk2e8KAhgMvRMg==:117 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=email.accountsupport.com) by webmail02.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1WriZp-0005jR-2J; Tue, 03 Jun 2014 02:52:05 -0400 Received: from 69.180.140.196 (SquirrelMail authenticated user greg@gelhar.com) by email.accountsupport.com with HTTP; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 02:52:05 -0400 References: Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2014 02:52:05 -0400 From: greg@gelhar.com To: Harrymague@aol.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.19 Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] 1974 TR6 Headrest Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO You have to depress the spring steel tab that protrudes from the support post which prevents the headrest from just sliding out. The tab is located on the right side of the headrest shaft. Here is what the little tab looks like that holds them in. The spring action is very stiff. I haven't figured out what tool is necessary to release it. I tried steel shim stock and found the tab would puncture it before pressing in. I have these pictures because I ended up stripping down a seat for recovering. Greg G. Osseo, MN > Does anybody know how the adjustable headrest on a 1974 TR6 comes off. > Got these neat seatbelt guides but I can't figure out if the headrest > comes > out or the second option is to cut the guides. Thanks > Harry Mague > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/greg@gelhar.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of DSC02112.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of DSC02120.JPG] ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:18 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B206925884BD for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 03:39:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173019pub.verizon.net (vms173019pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.19]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90A812584920 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 03:39:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.33.148] ([unknown] [74.96.248.161]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0N6K00FSRHRFBX90@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 02 Jun 2014 19:38:05 -0500 (CDT) References: <3928A0B5-4489-415E-A01C-AEE73E43614E@verizon.net> From: Martin Secrest Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2014 20:38:03 -0400 To: Jeff Scarbrough Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Slow Fast Slow Fast Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Thanks Jeff; basically everything's already in good shape. The machine shop confirmed what I thought. On rotor was way out of spec and has to be replaced. Fortunately they are cheap. > On Jun 2, 2014, at 1:57 PM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > > On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Martin Secrest > wrote: > >> >> Should I turn both rotors? They aren't scored; if I turn them must I put in >> new pads? > > If I recall,t he GT6 rotors are like Spitfire rotors - a solid disk > without much extra thickness. May not be able to turn the warp out of > it. > > I'd be tempted to replace rotors and pads, and make sure to evaluate > the cause - is a caliper sticking? Also a good opportunity to clean > and grease bearings, replace rubber hoses, etc., if that all hasn't > already been done recently. > > But then, I'm an overkill kind of guy. If I go ahead and replace > everything while I'm in there, I don't have to take apart something > right after I just put it back together. > > Jeff Scarbrough > Corrosion Acres, Ga. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:18 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07D74258933B for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 04:11:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f171.google.com (mail-lb0-f171.google.com [209.85.217.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8041D25851BA for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 04:10:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f171.google.com with SMTP id 10so3341428lbg.30 for ; Tue, 03 Jun 2014 03:10:40 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Pvl5UN73RsiG2l4D61h32QJgW7k+M3GADtRTvrLpJRU=; b=PeAZshSUx7EdwW2HSXgLjZOxFf/HpB5Gd97fa0uOX2x8KnI7j33n6QstThPumdHtUY aZDUsCQj0931n1OvVDRD2Yxkofo/ISms+vAIbtlML04gKJ+Vkwc/bzvG3LbUsRbKn5dw evsXh6V+bCQA/57Cy9LhqvHzSFx/jhXgOuzCN/Kd6S/KGJ4it9fuu0rWDxyyqxBfT3J2 2LMxqMcR2u+DZnkfvGGhMGOWBgvrK/WUd7EkBt4PgEQSNX84QzoWEFxBUSoJEjSsNuRH gcJIMcUIl1mb5BeB04ISR4TW1UiqLD6dL1MrZ6qqbvNzjxebd2tTEZWHqS9k+0/eqQbD CaxQ== h7mr30236805lah.12.1401731839240; Mon, 02 Jun 2014 10:57:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.77.42 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Jun 2014 10:57:19 -0700 (PDT) References: <3928A0B5-4489-415E-A01C-AEE73E43614E@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 13:57:19 -0400 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: Martin Secrest Cc: "Triumphs \(triumphs@autox.team.net\)" Subject: Re: [TR] Slow Fast Slow Fast Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Martin Secrest wrote: > > Should I turn both rotors? They aren't scored; if I turn them must I put in > new pads? If I recall,t he GT6 rotors are like Spitfire rotors - a solid disk without much extra thickness. May not be able to turn the warp out of it. I'd be tempted to replace rotors and pads, and make sure to evaluate the cause - is a caliper sticking? Also a good opportunity to clean and grease bearings, replace rubber hoses, etc., if that all hasn't already been done recently. But then, I'm an overkill kind of guy. If I go ahead and replace everything while I'm in there, I don't have to take apart something right after I just put it back together. Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:18 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23DBA2585264 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 15:48:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa09-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa09-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.232]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2C8625807B5 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 15:48:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 370Z ([76.184.172.222]) by p3plsmtpa09-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id 9szY1o0094oFfFQ01szcRV; Tue, 03 Jun 2014 09:59:37 -0700 From: "dave n" To: References: <29087932.873617.1401744154230.JavaMail.root@vznit170132> <538D7135.3060901@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2014 11:52:19 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] LED instrument lights on EBAY Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO I may be the only one, and yes my car is heavily modified for performance, but I rather like the ambiance of the dim gages. yes, they are harder to read, and maybe not so showy perfect. I have another car with new, replacement gages, and they are bright. but there is just something I like about the tr6 cockpit, the wood dash, and those dim gages . . . . -----Original Message----- From: ptegler Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2014 1:54 AM To: thenicholls@verizon.net ; triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] LED instrument lights on EBAY bought a set about a year ago..... nice but more expensive than the sets I've since bought from Sencart.com ..not sure what happened to the pics...but one is still there about second fro mthe last row second pic from teh left. I have sets of red, green, blue, and white. They are all brighter than the ebay units you mention, and half the cost. nfi...just a satified experimenter, I used the green in my Triumph as the speedo and tach already had green lenses over the bulbs inside. now at least ALL my gauges are green. ptegler On 6/2/2014 5:22 PM, thenicholls@verizon.net wrote: > Anyone out there purchased and is using these LED instrument lights listed > on EBAY? > > > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/300923024335?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 > > > Craig > 72 Triumph TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:18 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B71D25896CD for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 18:57:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173021pub.verizon.net (vms173021pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 304B22584C07 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 18:57:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.41.151] ([unknown] [152.75.163.250]) by vms173021.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0N6L00D63O90VEH0@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 03 Jun 2014 10:55:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Martin Secrest Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2014 11:55:48 -0400 To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Catalytic Converter for TR6? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Bit a strange question: can one retrofit a cat converter to a 72 TR6? What are the requirements other than a place for it under the chassis? Not asking because of any legal requirement, just want to reduce my carbon footprint. Martin Secrest ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:18 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65B6F2587973 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2014 03:56:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f172.google.com (mail-ve0-f172.google.com [209.85.128.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB58E258076B for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2014 03:54:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f172.google.com with SMTP id oz11so8481656veb.31 for ; Wed, 04 Jun 2014 02:54:39 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=WFEn9tHf9NAn1N02H2JSO5BIoz1riTYIHqLUUXqRvso=; b=1JSuk6XalzvpMO2DubK5l9XEiof7pjt32e4lHfMO6cB4qm3m+CPA0JLOrQlvOWmhFW qSLuPk+YEq+ahoZv9H7QCQieZERMAz+t8xHQkIsEcD+4KFPjMERCGYU+ucotcrhp1G1S tmZJRLH1Bimlk+Y87aGpIRmcA8cR1CybYVGCXj7JH1aYGS/Rvu6kFZ5ArfIXQM0SbRaB xMnnpceXS1OIk7JJb/LAGFZhZX7gXh7ccvC492POyNdX7rT50vbcBc6T2IsR3yi807Db 73H7MrnYtzlnZKXLXaCQWN6kgAT9xSHEVQSC7J8sQi2vTpsG4RDm2cj8k2eiRbCJ774x IjRw== yb8mr7656705vdb.22.1401762468578; Mon, 02 Jun 2014 19:27:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.105.233 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Jun 2014 19:27:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 19:27:48 -0700 From: "Lee&John Howard" To: triumph list list Subject: [TR] TR4 and Monza ( the blown gasket saga) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO I know this has been talked about many times, but i can't get into the archives. Would some of you be willing to share your degree of satisfaction with the Monza system that everyone sells for the TR4? I have to replace the headers that came with the car as they are badly warped and not enough thickness to the flange to level off. I've long had an unused 4 in 1 header from Ebay maybe 15 years ago and thought I'd use that with a new pipe and muffler, Interesting about the current exhaust is that the pipe is only 1 5/8" ID, which always looked a bit small, (although the Monza is only 3/8" larger). My machine shop guy says that when increasing the flow via a larger pipe one sacrifices torque to gain revs at higher speeds. A smaller pipe conversely increases torque, which is what the original owner of this car would have wanted for his auto-crossing back in the 60's and 70's. Amazing what i don;t know. Anyway, would appreciate any comments, and thanks. Incidentally, best EBay price is $262 from a commercial seller. John ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:18 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D71282589C94 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2014 07:17:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f174.google.com (mail-ie0-f174.google.com [209.85.223.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D2052584BE7 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2014 07:16:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f174.google.com with SMTP id lx4so6964796iec.5 for ; Wed, 04 Jun 2014 06:16:40 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=IJ4dqUXSIW7JdOtUKKNUii8jlU7cQOluH9HF0m1e+I4=; b=TL+ukOFNGycSx+9qQwQ+yIEalF8/nAa0RpfrvY21ExHfEWN394QmiBlr4kZ+P4VSNz ylHOuz455N9Eisz9V70WfN/EAVaQ4sO4J5yJwoZ7SUHGRChixknNFOwbK82hpBE7ckDI O2p+ENZo87kGFN8gZg18TVFlPEzXaV7zHchFyDnZNhHUOtmo/Zrr8ioBaBQJRO+GE6BN SylikepqxqjYxbCS+EtnODj7wQRJJTyFqyANPw3rPQZfamv6MHRB7JY7ZM+FSQouwier FqYHzVxPAKNmMtt9jHBpM+dtViBSga3DZglQTUbGqnX5/ksgXROYyI4TsbhvDacLQVRz sylA== o18mr33653201igx.40.1401830733410; Tue, 03 Jun 2014 14:25:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.236.16 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 14:25:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.236.16 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 14:25:33 -0700 (PDT) References: <002301cf7bd6$7a879f40$6f96ddc0$@ukpips.org.uk> <4C.90.25046.B02B8835@cdptpa-oedge03> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2014 17:25:33 -0400 From: Chris Simo To: list Triumph Subject: Re: [TR] 4 vs 6 vane water pump impellor Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO I googled the bete noire reference and found a nice cake recipe. My wife loved it. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:18 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C31CA2589D74 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2014 08:23:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E347258075E for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2014 08:23:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [67.249.131.108] ([67.249.131.108:47561] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 69/07-25046-21B2F835; Wed, 04 Jun 2014 14:20:02 +0000 Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2014 10:20:06 -0400 From: Bob Labuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 To: Martin Secrest , triumphs@autox.team.net References: Subject: Re: [TR] Catalytic Converter for TR6? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Martin, A converter will have no affect on CO2. It will convert CO to CO2 I think. It may alter other gasses such as SO2 or SO3 and some Nitrogen compounds. But what goes in the converter comes out, maybe in a different form but the same elements. The only way I know of altering elements is by fusion and fission. Also, it will get very hot during operation. It will require a heat shield of some sort. The best bet is to keep your engine in top tune IMO. Bob On 06/03/2014 11:55 AM, Martin Secrest wrote: > Bit a strange question: can one retrofit a cat converter to a 72 TR6? > > What are the requirements other than a place for it under the chassis? > > Not asking because of any legal requirement, just want to reduce my carbon > footprint. > > Martin Secrest ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:18 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3D5D2589FDE for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2014 09:03:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.231]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD1802584A04 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2014 09:03:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [76.171.56.44] ([76.171.56.44:55002] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id CE/1F-25046-0743F835; Wed, 04 Jun 2014 15:00:00 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Bob Labuz'" , Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 07:59:59 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac+AAIxYL/ugZiDSTl+iwiFgg/H7bgAAp5vA Subject: Re: [TR] Catalytic Converter for TR6? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO > A converter will have no affect on CO2. It will convert CO to CO2 I > think. Right. Also HC to H2O + CO2; and NOx to N2 + O2 (if you have a "3-way" catalyst). > Also, it will get very hot during operation. It will require a heat > shield of some sort. In order to achieve the reactions, it also needs free oxygen in the input. That means your engine has to either run leaner than normal (so not all the oxygen is consumed by combustion), or you need a air injection system to feed O2 to the converter. My point being that it isn't just a bolt-on device. > The best bet is to keep your engine in top tune IMO. Basically anything that reduces fuel consumption will also lower your "carbon footprint". Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:18 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA8D82589FF9 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2014 10:28:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mga09.intel.com (mga09.intel.com [134.134.136.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C90625807C8 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2014 10:19:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from orsmga001.jf.intel.com ([10.7.209.18]) by orsmga102.jf.intel.com with ESMTP; 04 Jun 2014 09:11:01 -0700 Received: from orsmsx103.amr.corp.intel.com ([10.22.225.130]) by orsmga001.jf.intel.com with ESMTP; 04 Jun 2014 09:15:39 -0700 Received: from orsmsx111.amr.corp.intel.com (10.22.240.12) by ORSMSX103.amr.corp.intel.com (10.22.225.130) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.123.3; Wed, 4 Jun 2014 09:15:37 -0700 Received: from orsmsx114.amr.corp.intel.com ([169.254.8.147]) by ORSMSX111.amr.corp.intel.com ([169.254.11.33]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Wed, 4 Jun 2014 09:15:37 -0700 From: "Meythaler, Greg" To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: Triumphs Digest, Vol 7, Issue 153 Thread-Index: AQHPf8yKXmWiTvt6X0myv1bwiO/39pthIDPg Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 16:15:37 +0000 References: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.22.254.140] Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 7, Issue 153 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO They're caused by hot spots, but typically you get hot spots because you are using to soft a pad that gets over heated or doesn't have the right heat range. Here is a great reference on the subject: http://www.stoptech.com/technical-support/technical-white-papers/-warped-brak e-disc-and-other-myths -greg ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 08:31:03 -0700 From: "Jonas Payne" To: "'Martin Secrest'" , Subject: Re: [TR] Slow Fast Slow Fast Look for heat marks/discoloration on your rotors. These "hot spots" are work hardened metal and can cause a pulsation. If you have them, they can't be machined out. They can be caused by using a pad that is too hard. I run the softest pads I can find on all my cars. Jonas Payne PBR Consulting Services, LLC 702.882.6711 ----- ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:18 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DEDD258AB4E for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2014 18:11:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53A4E2584F93 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2014 18:10:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 370Z ([216.138.90.252]) by p3plsmtpa07-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id AP1Z1o00H5SgtPc01P1Zsk; Wed, 04 Jun 2014 16:01:37 -0700 From: "dave n" To: References: Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 18:03:42 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Catalytic Converter for TR6? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO others will correct me if I'm wrong - all a cat does I believe is change carbon monoxide to carbon dioxide. I think there are better ways to reduce your carbon footprint. a big one is to drive an old car and save all the energy utilized in the construction of a new vehicle! -----Original Message----- From: Martin Secrest Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2014 10:55 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Catalytic Converter for TR6? Bit a strange question: can one retrofit a cat converter to a 72 TR6? What are the requirements other than a place for it under the chassis? Not asking because of any legal requirement, just want to reduce my carbon footprint. Martin Secrest ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:18 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E707258AC9C for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2014 22:34:55 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-queue03.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.231]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B937C2580441 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2014 22:34:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com ([107.14.174.243]) by cdptpa-queue03.email.rr.com (InterMail vM.8.04.01.13 201-2343-100-167-20131028) with ESMTP id <20140605043413.JYNM9290.cdptpa-queue03.email.rr.com@cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com> for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2014 04:34:13 +0000 Received: from [24.94.14.18] ([24.94.14.18:65009] helo=JohnnieD) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 0B/2A-25046-A6FEF835; Thu, 05 Jun 2014 04:17:47 +0000 From: "John & Pat Donnelly" To: "'Triumphs'" Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 21:16:49 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac+AdPhIZUr6qPb6QAShQVm+RixP4g== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] TRactor Engine Timing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO After rebuilding my TR4A engine I've been playing around with the engine timing (advance/retard) to dial in the best performance. The engine has the Moss cam & 87 MM pistons, but everything else is stock. Stock HS6's, stock distributor with Pertronix, new gears and timing chain. The vacuum advance is attached. I never seem to be able to get the full range performance I would expect. I can get low end to be great but the top end suffers. Redial it and the top end is great but low end is sluggish. I dont think the carbs are it, as I've changed to richer needles, made it richer/leaner, and it didn't help. I did learn that a richer mixture seems to hide timing differences. And I got to thinking that the TR4A distributor has an advance limit built into it and was wondering if going to a more full range dizzy would give me that full range performance. Shouldn't the dizzy advance and the cam specs match up? Why the limited advance anyway? BTW, the weather is absolutely bitchin to be driving with top down every day here in San Diego. I'm loving it. Johnnie 67 TR4A --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:18 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08A1C258AF22 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2014 23:05:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepi207.cox.net (fed1rmfepi207.cox.net [68.230.241.152]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD9132584D83 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2014 23:03:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo306 ([68.230.241.174]) by fed1rmfepo203.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20140604230311.CUCW28942.fed1rmfepo203.cox.net@fed1rmimpo306> for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2014 19:03:11 -0400 Received: from PBR2 ([70.180.186.33]) by fed1rmimpo306 with cox id AP3A1o00D0jfpza01P3ANz; Wed, 04 Jun 2014 19:03:10 -0400 a=l7qAr4pkrT3R/UNpXqjcTg==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=nSGAVYha-58_6ytYD-oA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=rzSo3inbiVIA:10 a=1fMe8s2OcekA:10 a=Xv80JB5bRgUA:10 a=orAZKJ3mI00A:10 a=s4EvnNBU4YIA:10 a=l7qAr4pkrT3R/UNpXqjcTg==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) smtp.auth=jpaynepbr@cox.net From: "Jonas Payne" To: Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 16:03:13 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac+ASQPGC9aE+ezZQWq+p8iZm0CK6w== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] carpet snap layout Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Does anybody have a diagram showing the carpet snap layout for a TR3? I replaced the floors in mine, and the old ones were too far gone to make any sense of it. Jonas Payne PBR Consulting Services, LLC 702.882.6711 ----- ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:18 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E717258D355 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2014 22:37:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 385C7258054B for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2014 22:31:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDDE41203E8 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2014 22:31:51 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2014 22:31:44 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:28.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/28.0 SeaMonkey/2.25 To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] What fun. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO At the moment, there are 36,753 pending emails on Team.Net waiting to be delivered to subscribers. Most are to Yahoo, AOL, Comcast, Hotmail addresses. You know, small obscure operations. This DMARC stuff is killing me. I wonder how many folks, if any, will actually see this message? mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:18 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AB212580442 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2014 23:27:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from gproxy4-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy4-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.23.142]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B213225803B2 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 2014 23:02:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 23696 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jun 2014 05:02:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw2) (10.0.90.83) by gproxy4.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2014 05:02:02 -0000 Received: from just64.justhost.com ([173.254.28.64]) by cmgw2 with id At1u1o0031NzpT901t1xWW; Thu, 05 Jun 2014 23:02:01 -0600 a=vuSASFU9Tp3ZfMgjgJIBGg==:117 a=Hioj460zRyWfL2YTOblAsQ==:17 a=BY8XqHikAAAA:8 a=f5113yIGAAAA:8 a=yKqyAkVeGwwA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=dKaUxyAQAAAA:8 a=PqYVp9QRvtMA:10 a=1C6ePdsXcAUA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=WBOlXEMU4HGAJhmG_W8A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=psXREZS0v_AA:10 a=Q94xJtFWm3wA:10 a=E3LtK94QmHYA:10 Received: from [50.83.132.111] (port=63937 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1WsmHq-0005VV-Qa; Thu, 05 Jun 2014 23:01:54 -0600 Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2014 00:01:49 -0500 To: Mark J Bradakis ,Triumphs From: Tony Drews References: <53914430.1080803@bradakis.com> {sentby:smtp auth 50.83.132.111 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [TR] What fun. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Made it through to me... Tony Drews At 11:31 PM 6/5/2014, Mark J Bradakis wrote: >At the moment, there are 36,753 pending emails on Team.Net waiting >to be delivered to subscribers. >Most are to Yahoo, AOL, Comcast, Hotmail addresses. You know, small >obscure operations. This DMARC >stuff is killing me. > >I wonder how many folks, if any, will actually see this message? > >mjb. > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tony@tonydrews.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:18 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 664C62585622 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2014 05:15:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f53.google.com (unknown [209.85.219.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDE4525803B6 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2014 00:43:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f53.google.com with SMTP id m1so2340920oag.12 for ; Thu, 05 Jun 2014 23:43:13 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=PmMg8OS19aTNsZak8zNTPuwdxx+qjDvfWXxwQJ9uHM0=; b=ypx3tnhIa/2jC7Xp3DQSuXJE0/tRF14pAYrmpu3bHNYmH1rPSxSclsyI4KcNK/crIz M4yWkHnDmvS8w5haxlnlnERVi1GWIAYueMMTxAPir3K5VDIH4BeB0TKNu/7kNkNuF6D5 GPXD4xGx1zXA+TLcWi8u+4Q6ovPkzGgkE5fUx7hLJKrbIbxwTY55kYRS9YfGklMECI3L 1L7GNGtA1gK8yNgRJHYHSoJNL7hJMVe6gnGnBQwknTC3oD318fSgmnvtvU/j/jbbXeGy DBhG3PJdC7qQQRRAVAYN4Mzt3XeaofXJcf+h5OZkgSgn8AJ0DsWuKPMwOTDqZcoFgRON Rllw== sw10mr27971687oeb.83.1401945310957; Wed, 04 Jun 2014 22:15:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.93.175 with HTTP; Wed, 4 Jun 2014 22:15:10 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 22:15:10 -0700 From: Malcolm To: Martin Secrest Cc: triumph list Subject: Re: [TR] Catalytic Converter for TR6? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO I'm going to do some armchair engineering here, so please feel free to research and refute anything I claim. While you most certainly can retrofit the catalytic converter, it's not the only requirement by far. In order for the catalytic convert to do its job, there needs to be sufficient oxygen in the exhaust to burn up (catalyze...) the extra hydrocarbons. The converter should be located close to the engine (so that it heats up) and as far from the passengers as you can (because it gets hot). If your mixture is too rich then the catalytic converter will overheat. I had an old Ford wagon that had that happen - the converter got bright red. Could be a fire hazard! So, by my speculation, you should have at least an oxygen sensor and some means of automatically adjusting the mixture to compensate / ensure that the converter is working. You may also need an air pump to feed fresh air into the exhaust to make the converter work. A fascinating problem, but is it worth the effort? Also, consider that the manufacture of your new catalytic converter may have involved the mining and refinement of some heavy metals. Will your driving and reduced hydrocarbon output actually offset that? Personally, I would get the mixture adjustment components working first - and test your car after a good tune-up to determine how bad it really is. I suspect that you will affect your carbon footprint more with careful driving and proper maintenance than you would by adding more hardware to the system. M On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 8:55 AM, Martin Secrest wrote: > Bit a strange question: can one retrofit a cat converter to a 72 TR6? > > What are the requirements other than a place for it under the chassis? > > Not asking because of any legal requirement, just want to reduce my carbon > footprint. > > Martin Secrest > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/malcolm@ipatch.ca ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:19 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DB862586FAD for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2014 10:41:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6538E2580660 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2014 06:06:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DELLPC ([32.218.139.131]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus3) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0M8eMt-1WeDld0TUR-00vYUE; Wed, 04 Jun 2014 16:58:57 -0400 From: "Bob Danielson" <75TR6@TR6.Danielsonfamily.org> To: , References: Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 16:58:59 -0400 B7mp7U6saqBvMizX+ICHlOOASobm+cN2uR6dt7SFp0zysRxCRG +EsNeegUCMOXSof/sI53RJFz2MHsYeareCkWfWMMRO/m2szG43 gVHRHd+vWXFh82fHC7nX+gFYMLJ8Nd4hWv94Wdrfdspz0zNDb/ TDWwSgjECgY9cVnuSAjt4XeX1fW0PHaj/ScU2kp0OPiU7MFEV6 H0eta+CrvNvrMG1AYqa/eS+aPpStxLun0VV/NBPX1KOWRVZPJn WkTV5788ByeXOoQJxvmB+tTWdjjOZgZ/O/uAoo0N10Kn+lceBS AkftOKxZLzNaBTESFJkgo0MQVX5CXuFZw72+EkyFE Subject: Re: [TR] 1974 TR6 Headrest Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO You can read how to do it here......... http://www.6-pack.org/j15/index.php/forum/15-mechanical-repair-maintenance-a-restoration/249244-Headrest-removal#281896 Very difficult with the covers on the seat. Bob Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/ 1975 Mimosa TR6 TBI, 5 Speed, LSD, CVJs -----Original Message----- From: Harrymague@aol.com Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2014 1:40 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] 1974 TR6 Headrest Does anybody know how the adjustable headrest on a 1974 TR6 comes off. Got these neat seatbelt guides but I can't figure out if the headrest comes out or the second option is to cut the guides. Thanks Harry Mague ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:19 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBAD725873B1 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2014 11:28:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f46.google.com (mail-qa0-f46.google.com [209.85.216.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D350A258095A for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2014 06:41:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qa0-f46.google.com with SMTP id w8so3608601qac.33 for ; Fri, 06 Jun 2014 05:41:57 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=RIGI732z3dbGiBkQK8qEBW5IeAn39P770FpaiO2/HKQ=; b=amMwDemXC8PqCnQWT9PKz+WXXiLK47vreQqWbEHmlrmWLWC5QKhBSCmv5bkx6xP4Lr olRkcPBXHzpWd5sWeH+20/foLVlENsThL6FOhlB55Sx39jjhGKzkN2LL0DwmJRPPhBgo aC6amcidchyVEpNShzi1FKauoivWi6+LYwz81a7/eapOp/a5NtupyFEQPFThQbmIKl7f kcnjOI+ubYnfMGkym3zL1rieq9PSZUVLYNnClwCbNf9+LRMFxpBPM3uAXfKZDG/URISS gxzjBvZxPJxoCvewXZSSXRDZ3RFuOYXSFyz0ZJzIg4O8E8m83XgP8wQ6NgQosbtrlWDT B4ow== j75mr7764341qgd.42.1402056635419; Fri, 06 Jun 2014 05:10:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.108.228 with HTTP; Fri, 6 Jun 2014 05:10:35 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 07:10:35 -0500 From: Don Hiscock To: Martin Secrest Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Catalytic Converter for TR6? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO The products of hydrocarbon combustion are water and carbon dioxide. If you want less CO2, as others have said, burn less gasoline. Drive less and more economically. Tune the car well including tire pressures. Air pollution is much more than CO2, and when catalysts were developed it was more about photochemical smog than anything else (CO2 and global warming was being talked about by a few academics, not the population at large). Original two-way catalytic convertors manage incomplete combustion products (unburned hydrocarbons, HC, and carbon monoxide, CO). Modern three-way catalytic convertors in addition manage oxides of nitrogen (NOX), a component of smog and acid rain that results from lean mixtures and hot combustion. Catalytic convertors don't change the fundamental equation that CO2 comes from burning fuel. Don 1962 TR3B TSF202L On 6/3/14, Martin Secrest wrote: > Bit a strange question: can one retrofit a cat converter to a 72 TR6? > > What are the requirements other than a place for it under the chassis? > > Not asking because of any legal requirement, just want to reduce my carbon > footprint. > > Martin Secrest > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:19 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9C3A25861DA for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2014 22:38:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (unknown [173.201.193.104]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4496925807DD; Fri, 6 Jun 2014 14:19:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 370Z ([76.184.172.222]) by p3plsmtpa08-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id B7LW1o00A4oFfFQ017LW9t; Fri, 06 Jun 2014 12:20:31 -0700 From: "dave n" To: , "Triumph 6 Pack" <6pack@autox.team.net> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 14:22:27 -0500 Subject: [TR] goodparts roller bearing clutch mechanism Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO anyone using this? Ibm thinking of getting it. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:19 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB00D25868AF for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2014 00:01:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.fuse.net (smtpout.fuse.net [64.8.71.14]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82963258075C for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2014 15:16:31 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined a=jhuQplDhD+1Fhj9ECbjk7g==:117 a=jhuQplDhD+1Fhj9ECbjk7g==:17 a=K-v-2zaBAAAA:8 a=vYbi2SD7W5AA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=w1lZMHalAAAA:8 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=_6GpL_ENAAAA:8 a=L6RjX4_-dVzYL_fxUvIA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=LUGdSHaYEaYA:10 Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com smtp.mail=dconnitt@fuse.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com header.from=dconnitt@fuse.net; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (smtp01.cincibell.synacor.com: 74.215.65.95 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fuse.net Received: from [74.215.65.95] ([74.215.65.95:50499] helo=DaveLaptop) by smtp.fuse.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.47 r(39787)) with ESMTP id E2/87-31447-FAF22935; Fri, 06 Jun 2014 17:16:31 -0400 From: "Dave Connitt" To: "John & Pat Donnelly" , "'Triumphs'" References: <002e01cf8074$f8f54920$eadfdb60$@rr.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 17:19:33 -0400 Subject: Re: [TR] TRactor Engine Timing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Hi John, Funny you should post this as I have just about finished by TR4A here in Cincinnati and did a bit of struggling with the tuning also. I have the BPNW 270 degree cam and 87mm pistons but I also have a RevingtonTR 4into1header and mating exhaust and on of those 123 distributors I bought from Darrell many moons ago when he went to Weber carbs. That distributor is kind of pricey now but in my opinion, it really delivers. It has 17 different advance curves in it. Mine is set to have about 10 degrees at 1,000 RPM, a little over 22 degrees at 2,000 RPM and about 31 degrees at 4,500 RPM. I am running 93 octain fuel and have been carefull to listen for pinging during long pulls up hills and such and the engine seems to be tolerating the current timing settings. I only have about 400 miles on the engine so far so I am not pushing it too much but I know it pulls real strong from about 2,000RPM to as high as I dare go now (about 4,000RPM very occasionally). I played around with the needles too, going one step richer but the plugs fouled so I went back to stock and just did a 400 mile tune up and the plug electrodes were tan and the surrounding plug was black. Tuning this thing was way different that any other type of engine I ever fooled with I can tell you that. I found that the float levels really affect the mixture also as you are adjusting the level of fuel at the main jet/needle. Lots of things to think about.. Can you get someone to rev up the engine while you have a set back timing light on it? If so, what do you see timing wise at the 1,000, 2,000 and 4500? Just curious as I think you are right in the problem being timing or more acurately advance related.. Dave Connitt ----- Original Message ----- aFrom: "John & Pat Donnelly" To: "'Triumphs'" Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 12:16 AM Subject: [TR] TRactor Engine Timing > After rebuilding my TR4A engine I've been playing around with the engine > timing (advance/retard) to dial in the best performance. The engine has > the > Moss cam & 87 MM pistons, but everything else is stock. Stock HS6's, stock > distributor with Pertronix, new gears and timing chain. The vacuum advance > is attached. > > I never seem to be able to get the full range performance I would expect. > I > can get low end to be great but the top end suffers. Redial it and the top > end is great but low end is sluggish. > > I dont think the carbs are it, as I've changed to richer needles, made it > richer/leaner, and it didn't help. I did learn that a richer mixture seems > to hide timing differences. > > And I got to thinking that the TR4A distributor has an advance limit built > into it and was wondering if going to a more full range dizzy would give > me > that full range performance. Shouldn't the dizzy advance and the cam specs > match up? > > Why the limited advance anyway? > > BTW, the weather is absolutely bitchin to be driving with top down every > day > here in San Diego. I'm loving it. > > Johnnie > > 67 TR4A > > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dconnitt@fuse.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:19 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6E252580316 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2014 03:54:43 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (unknown [74.208.4.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A063F25803FC for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2014 17:22:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DELLPC ([32.218.139.131]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MEGh6-1X2jsO0uHw-00Fsim; Tue, 03 Jun 2014 08:18:02 -0400 From: "Bob Danielson" <75TR6@TR6.Danielsonfamily.org> To: , References: <29087932.873617.1401744154230.JavaMail.root@vznit170132> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2014 08:18:02 -0400 V9TuflUb8G2Okk6m9dd+HCKr/Rzve24+jNRE804mIVJr1MN2Ag iwh6DreX/hEn++909ALTbWWpoRdk2d2Fbh8kAwvtzMB3sJyPor gtgB9p2Gp7GF/ni3Rk6tUUAmDHEmCu3wKHtaO8I3vhqrGywvUo /7jV0kgpOHokGkMRas8KMd/fZLfoMc2OeGP+Wc8ApX1pLv+0xq ZO2WjD8Btvuqn8JW5ckjlf5G5LnrA27d4XOq3KmZgun7Nv/oHy YgmiOJ4fNwOotBwVllbcfzjyfxFoQnlbqkrYOqj+VouSOwIujK B+ttorGE5zI0ULYPTSVsW0K+NbH59sXP9TqPcpHNO Subject: Re: [TR] LED instrument lights on EBAY Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Yes.... with caveats: - They won't fit in the speedo/tach bulb holes if you still have the green diffuser in the gauge. The bulb is too long and hits the diffuser - They CAN NOT be used for the "idiot" lights or turn signals. LEDs are one way and for the those lights the current needs to flow both ways. Moss also sells bulbs like these and I called tech support about the idiot light problem. They agreed that they won't work and that the item should be noted as such in the catalog..... they also acknowledged getting support calls from people who have used them in the idiot lights. Bob Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/ 1975 Mimosa TR6 TBI, 5 Speed, LSD, CVJs -----Original Message----- From: thenicholls@verizon.net Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 5:22 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] LED instrument lights on EBAY Anyone out there purchased and is using these LED instrument lights listed on EBAY? http://www.ebay.com/itm/300923024335?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 Craig 72 Triumph TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/75tr6@tr6.danielsonfamily.org ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:19 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 347C62588468 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2014 23:43:47 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-queue05.email.rr.com (unknown [107.14.166.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAF34258491F for ; Sat, 7 Jun 2014 20:37:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com ([107.14.174.243]) by cdptpa-queue03.email.rr.com (InterMail vM.8.04.01.13 201-2343-100-167-20131028) with ESMTP id <20140608013229.NWMS9290.cdptpa-queue03.email.rr.com@cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com> for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2014 01:32:29 +0000 Received: from [108.167.8.138] ([108.167.8.138:64866] helo=livingroompc) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 87/85-23113-838B3935; Sun, 08 Jun 2014 01:11:21 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2014 20:11:22 -0500 Subject: [TR] Fw: LED instrument lights on EBAY Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO I ran into the same issue Bob mentions when I tried to use the big LEDS, I did however end up figuring out how to get the LED to work for the turn signal indicator (with a little help from my internet friends) it wasn't too hard or expensive, and since I couldn't really see the incandescent in the bright sun, and I can see the LED, I thought was worth the effort: Take one of these: http://autolumination.com/otherleds.htm (scroll down to E10 Screw Base 4 Led Focused Lens Led Bulbs) Put one of these inline to the LED: http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...ductId=2062581 And go from this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3om56PrC9Rs to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B80m6kPyero > > Greg Lemon ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:20 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E0AB2585C76 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2014 00:11:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.rcn.com (smtp-fo.rcn.cmh.synacor.com [69.168.97.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F495258042F for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2014 19:35:35 -0600 (MDT) X_CMAE_Category: , , a=Nh+kvCJuytLQtmZWZsSZsQ==:17 a=1GtspROMyXkA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=rgFOHuIoAAAA:8 a=iypugGMsfl_OyKzU8TMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Nh+kvCJuytLQtmZWZsSZsQ==:117 Authentication-Results: smtp01.rcn.cmh.synacor.com header.from=allenhess@mgcarclub.com; sender-id=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp01.rcn.cmh.synacor.com smtp.mail=allenhess@mgcarclub.com; spf=neutral; sender-id=neutral Received-SPF: neutral (smtp01.rcn.cmh.synacor.com: 64.121.170.195 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of mgcarclub.com) Received: from [64.121.170.195] ([64.121.170.195:49175] helo=[192.168.1.131]) by smtp.rcn.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.1.37854 r(Momo-dev:3.5.1.0)) with ESMTP id CC/AF-05209-02833935; Sat, 07 Jun 2014 12:04:49 -0400 From: Allen Hess To: triumphs@autox.team.net Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2014 12:04:48 -0400 References: Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Bonnet Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO The release cable is fixed to the bonnet release bracket with a push on clip. If the clip and cable come off the bracket the cable release won't work. (ask me how I know, etc.) I managed to release the latch from underneath the car. Had a sore and scraped arm afterwards. I then wired the cable and clip to the bracket. It can be done so it's barley noticeable. I've just thought that you might be able to pull the release and from inside the footwell also pull on the outer cable thereby shortening it. If the cable clamp has come loose or is broken, then that's another issue. Allen > I have a few problems of late with my '64 Triumph, one being the > brake lines. > However, yesterday, when I wanted to check the fluid level, the > bonnet appears > stuck and wont open. How can I easily determine whether the cable is > broken. > Since the release lever does not open it, is there an alternative to > opening > it? How frustrating with nice driving weather, and I can't in the TR4. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:20 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2DA52585366 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2014 14:15:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yk0-f173.google.com (mail-yk0-f173.google.com [209.85.160.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62A9125806EE for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2014 07:44:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-yk0-f173.google.com with SMTP id 142so2444818ykq.32 for ; Mon, 09 Jun 2014 06:44:53 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=hupAcnY3Lt+1bTXpvsVQ1lc2q0vWUIW4E28FPLvL3Ng=; b=SC3Ve+wl4RclTJiC8g7J5UxTd92PdKPndeW7NeW3Jfc2vElE52RwS5gxLgC8aVQUeT wkNShHhXZq4X8o4Hcq6nWgWYnHOQyVS6Fc/dP1Bm1YxT4MUwac/jB6uSeJb9myFPNPtW ar+oen7+txTHnXAILZrbzdVDu+N8end1BTXVqhCywA8210JFPufV0N3uJSfcEQ4MzO5r qaRuf1aXABlnN/DKn+fVly7NOoNCWBMhbwaGW1/50hSomr2g+2yrvIzlZaX4W8nIjYAK I86P3KOC/7GJfABrLM27a32BVgiGNQKCkph5J5X/ZDEFJK5kH4HTLoMHQeRua3rmT4gN W74w== a95mr2782581yhq.88.1402240413552; Sun, 08 Jun 2014 08:13:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.170.194.7 with HTTP; Sun, 8 Jun 2014 08:13:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2014 11:13:33 -0400 From: darrell floyd To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Brake light woes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Guys, Here I am all ready to go to the TRA National meeting and a light check on the TR3B reveals no brake lights at all. Everything else is normal. The TR4 is a little better, brake lights come on if you stomp on the pedal. No I do not have any spare switches. If I can get a couple of those by Tuesday do any of you know if I will need to bleed the brakes after I install them? Any other ideas on what to check?? Thanks, Darrell ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:21 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C9F62589CDF for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 15:10:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp3.execulink.net (smtp3.execulink.net [69.63.44.84]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDC9525803FD for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2014 15:09:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 23-248-149-231.tpia.execulink.com ([23.248.149.231] helo=[192.168.4.106]) by smtp3.execulink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Wu83V-00049c-Db; Mon, 09 Jun 2014 18:28:41 -0400 From: Keith Stewart Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2014 18:28:40 -0400 References: To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] carpet snap layout Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO On Wed, 4 Jun 2014, at 4:03 PM, Jonas Payne wrote: > > > Does anybody have a diagram showing the carpet snap layout for a TR3? > > I replaced the floors in mine, and the old ones were too far gone to make > any sense of it. > > Jonas Payne > PBR Consulting Services, LLC > 702.882.6711 The front carpet is actually a rubber mat. Whether you have the original or a replacement, they have the snaps already installed. I think your best bet is to line the rubber mat up to fit the contours of the transmission tunnel, the firewall and inner sills and place the studs under the snaps on the rubber mat. Keith Stewart keithstewartATexeculinkDOTcom ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:21 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E10DB25849B9 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 12:46:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from BAY004-OMC2S19.hotmail.com (bay004-omc2s19.hotmail.com [65.54.190.94]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33DB62580959 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 09:04:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY178-W8 ([65.54.190.123]) by BAY004-OMC2S19.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22701); Wed, 11 Jun 2014 08:04:34 -0700 From: Randy and Valerie DeRuiter To: darrell floyd , Triumph List Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 10:04:33 -0500 References: FILETIME=[7471CA40:01CF8586] Subject: Re: [TR] Brake light woes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Darrell- My guess is you are running Dot5 in your system? That is what I think created the same problem in my 3A - brakes would only light if I stomped on them, sensitivity was lost. My solution was switching to a mechanical switch mounted under the dash. I think you can pull that switch quickly and not need a complete rebleed, but of course plan on bleeding just in case. But if you do use Dot5, expect this to be a recurring issue based on what I've seen. Randy > Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2014 11:13:33 -0400 > From: tr250driver@gmail.com > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Subject: [TR] Brake light woes > > Guys, > Here I am all ready to go to the TRA National meeting and a light check on > the TR3B reveals no brake lights at all. Everything else is normal. The > TR4 is a little better, brake lights come on if you stomp on the pedal. No > I do not have any spare switches. > If I can get a couple of those by Tuesday do any of you know if I will > need to bleed the brakes after I install them? Any other ideas on what to > check?? > Thanks, > Darrell > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/deruiterville@hotmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:22 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4CCD25860E9 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2014 08:17:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A10C2580896 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2014 08:16:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta16.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.72]) by qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id DRu41o0071ZMdJ4A2SGZyx; Thu, 12 Jun 2014 14:16:33 +0000 Received: from resmail-po-281v.sys.comcast.net ([162.150.177.36]) by omta16.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id DSGY1o00A0nW53W8cSGYtz; Thu, 12 Jun 2014 14:16:32 +0000 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 14:16:32 +0000 (UTC) From: Ronald.Griffing@comcast.net To: Mark@bradakis.com References: <53914430.1080803@bradakis.com> <20140608053612.72BD42585472@autox.team.net> (Win)/8.0.3_GA_5664) Thread-Topic: What fun. Thread-Index: GxMo3cBPWvFlFC9Y2TW0EGyLeGIRNw== s=q20140121; t=1402582593; bh=IslNs04Gz48ze8w2CMjXrnzbydddXETQ0oxKfcIqCDA=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=RyEQkTfSwun0CK1lZUBcTWqMvNfLsDAMq/I5wsQ85X50jykDIotLv6SFR1LPFcGZR dZKA2nJf0/2IuuVKDlkgpb0lMAfOMaacniNANSPJV82ogTTfDoLsY4AIImd65+3pdw DIFruitfVNvJzhGQu9Q5C6IVtCbSEpy/MnlFvSSO/Zn2wHNb2NVIv2TWG9WAqzgArX Kkoleb/i9koHt7vNr0YAFSUT8Xo0tl0pS0dK1K/TLYNBil/peDc1rhIShYXIblihsL io5WnQiGKwhiFyrzNmSYCNt60nqKcloRmEp+xOvZ0LW0VKhj3h3ayO6+pZ7pLbz536 HgvD27sSAKmbA== Cc: Triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] What fun. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Mark, As one of the "Comcasters"... Since June 1st I have 11 [TR] messages in my inbox. None of them are from you. I did not see the original of the message you sent below. Ron Griffing '62 TR4 CT1550L ~'60 Morris Minor 1000 MA2S3L791631 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: "Mark J Bradakis" , "Triumphs" Sent: Thursday, June 5, 2014 10:01:49 PM Subject: Re: [TR] What fun. Made it through to me... Tony Drews At 11:31 PM 6/5/2014, Mark J Bradakis wrote: >At the moment, there are 36,753 pending emails on Team.Net waiting >to be delivered to subscribers. >Most are to Yahoo, AOL, Comcast, Hotmail addresses. You know, small >obscure operations. This DMARC >stuff is killing me. > >I wonder how many folks, if any, will actually see this message? > >mjb. > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tony@tonydrews.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:22 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD30E258622A for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2014 08:58:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm16-vm3.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm16-vm3.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 701F6258069E for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2014 08:51:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.157] by nm16.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2014 14:50:53 -0000 Received: from [66.196.81.134] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2014 14:50:53 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1010.access.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2014 14:50:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 63168 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jun 2014 14:50:53 -0000 s=s1024; t=1402584652; bh=urvu3gCzQ72kV/hvyAX5ssgL0CTCT/1viuenP5tbpFE=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=r4fAdcn+dYSAacYiigMijS+gHSLMuL1/w8SZ0dks42Ch8Y3n7tw8KL76Ptvd2pmTAv3CPdukLP9e4dAKRTXeIOLFr+U1sxacftH/kdf83JCd9BdynEqDROVTNu0wlCbBZ9NKo3DvN2x7HDuthDJ8BUAcl7peMf8N/refAfH0SDw= JIwrd.4xbE6xDwBLR.Z_kkedHlc2C1GV28icIECUlIgV02BX2KdX6rxORVg. qZgV1P_hT5UAEIlNcPcBpIoA3w0TgJ7T_is3tGb3Fm4Gt3wZKxZ4_zSbB8ER de_3NkPPKgj59cZSD_Op2xYAXsGX_Bhutl0cYJSTfLzNYACoaoB7lYd4comM 31ydEoAqfHDsIzT5pwlLji34vk02OWdjRYHs4grKv6VWiUNORCWlbYMcuzRt ZMzAHN4ZStPZ5L8f0ZYpzy_6HJZeHm08fPjTJfyMsZT.g8R0hQ9VuxP3QxaC 7Gu7XpUTWDu6NfO84xhI6vQoqfKNQAAFUaEuw939mKUaihKBiZ0fz0neFaGE 92Mmg2At80F9PGz2IX9u3UjypecrJxtuAR9YTqeinWm6bv6RXIaxlneAEM4F iK9j9rk0g7zdOiWoGGPtqoJqyFGd4dmvL_ESgXOCEcCiCCeBHWgnYvwhyOSx UHL0GvglmsHUBsRkfSBTLm5lrpEXucAc1Yfc0780Ma8Z.Wi3EHXjB6XPz3LA em__wXZHRMerwBw-- Received: from [68.121.156.132] by web184302.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 12 Jun 2014 07:50:52 PDT VGhlIHN3aXRjaCBpcyBhdmFpbGFibGUgZnJvbSBOYXBhIEF1dG8gcGFydHMgaW4gYm90aCB0aGUgc3BhZGUgdGVybWluYWwgKEVDSCBTTDE0NykgYW5kIHNjcmV3IHRlcm1pbmFsIHR5cGVzIChFQ0ggU0wxNDQpLiAgTXkgbG9jYWwgc3Rhb3JlIGhhcyBib3RoIGluIHN0b2NrLiAgVGhleSBtdXN0IGZpdCBBbWVyaWNhbiBjYXJzIGFzIHdlbGwuDQoNCkkgaGF2ZSBjaGFuZ2VkIHRoZXNlIHNldmVyYWwgdGltZXMgd2l0aG91dCBoYXZpbmcgdG8gYmxlZWQgdGhlIGJyYWtlcyBidXQgeW91IG5lZWQgdG8gYmUgZmEBMAEBAQE- Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 07:50:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Q To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Brake light woes (Randy and Valerie DeRuiter) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO The switch is available from Napa Auto parts in both the spade terminal (ECH SL147) and screw terminal types (ECH SL144). My local staore has both in stock. They must fit American cars as well. I have changed these several times without having to bleed the brakes but you need to be fast when you swap the two switches. Edward Hamer petaluma CA ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:22 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8914B258643C for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2014 10:16:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 471AE258083C for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2014 10:15:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.43]) by qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id DSxC1o0040vp7WLA2UEAZy; Thu, 12 Jun 2014 16:14:10 +0000 Received: from Dell ([67.188.0.29]) by omta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id DUE91o00H0dYjAz8RUE9UU; Thu, 12 Jun 2014 16:14:10 +0000 From: "Kinderlehrer" To: "'darrell floyd'" , References: Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 09:14:09 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac+GGYH6exI4TIKNSnOGCZC90ECmDwAPubPQ Content-Language: en-us s=q20140121; t=1402589650; bh=DTAi2GsVw5HjFedr+H2SiAr3dmWnTUF5SRuODs8x+2M=; h=Received:Received:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Ta91SaU1Ah7o+RiMF00UlcXpbP93D7T2qxGW1YZWRRL2K7LWUWQPe+1x3CalHdeUI RcSPjNcHfLIQXpFUFReCELyIA3kRFmqfXehlyRPgTGM8nOTJsR2xpvw5eFkGS0cwrd Aoqk5xG3dMpoeMoC090eOID7falREfdJYmY21HMXIkvsRTkFEuHwtYcldq6pOZ0UtH tDN0+ZBR0BKXYWXuRvH2R9kmeDDb170H4qhLDJoEmm9RKDjkdEaiKY7fdkllKJFIuY rH8CUzmBeIQeJ2xNiT27/uLEs42Klcm/pIoHDhOF90wTbi5u6puYaTdPQluGWMP8cT FC+X1+utI+nig== Subject: Re: [TR] Brake light woes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO I think if you remove the reservoir cap, stretch plastic wrap over the opening and then replace the cap, essentially closing the vent hole to create a vacuum, you will not lose any fluid. Don't forget to remove the plastic wrap when you finish the replacement of the switch :-). Even if you do lose some fluid, it's up stream of the wheel cylinders, so most likely you won't have to bleed the system. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of darrell floyd Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2014 8:14 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Brake light woes Guys, Here I am all ready to go to the TRA National meeting and a light check on the TR3B reveals no brake lights at all. Everything else is normal. The TR4 is a little better, brake lights come on if you stomp on the pedal. No I do not have any spare switches. If I can get a couple of those by Tuesday do any of you know if I will need to bleed the brakes after I install them? Any other ideas on what to check?? Thanks, Darrell ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/kinderlehrer@comcast.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:22 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E747E2588B91 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2014 18:05:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm26.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm26.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.90.89]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 519B425805F6 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2014 18:05:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.138.101.131] by nm26.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2014 23:54:49 -0000 Received: from [98.138.101.162] by tm19.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2014 23:54:49 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1073.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2014 23:54:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 94504 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jun 2014 23:54:49 -0000 s=s1024; t=1402617289; bh=UuPwGNEX++wxSmZkFHVJo7/1xbJzCEjokR7WVq3FXxQ=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=bqko8WSaI6p6APUlqIR4LRP4K09jUlnU5K0463HyyM8hTXGJJr6gYu3Ar3tfdcy+KcLZrtQgaNbvtLzlpsX75JRotIb4cqB3VIhuNFyiqN96Lq+Jy8+QaYUp6iQWusrr41t3TcNbEAqiIwxu9/4OoUmycKma9zo42aL8JTQ0x34= fr3qspIPnUZO.wn8r7l0_kHFJcQFdUozicq7TSX3Xf18MbeoHpSMAsXesne7 6Uwhtzw.CLRavNb1.fG9ITXhgJCYc08OYrotIx7DVOQLleYyYvJ7Nk2T2.71 tiwoAtvuGfrdQiwwccE4ZaQjsj6WJJJp7cunSXeKvt0eEFd3gOh9_JuixVCY EkPPnJhljbjBELO.0x61Dxld35V8DqzY8y1_6Q17pr4MeUgOUd1odFMhL56L Nir8MaAx8YsmU17WDTclGoUIslBU72tj64gaIvvU1rxUc.ag7Bt722lM37o5 7a1.05KZKdSfPD9e9aLZ7RnujFayqRweOnt5Sdg7LvKjFItC4ihHRplt2oZp AfRtAJWhHrX_rSwI9IQ.CwcNyZ.hWQknTFYYFKCvxyJ0.c.EJdbW9kPCAcDy Mi70IYw9G75p_.I2oAzfKoPAKF2uqisPU8qJrQ0RCGzkNV0pNUwsAfmbcTmg TA9gQ0hJuxwBES7LTj4c3fxiB0sR6N9cXkeRSZF3OV_CqG5QrgQ-- Received: from [96.243.34.43] by web120406.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 12 Jun 2014 16:54:48 PDT RGF0ZTogVGh1LCAxMiBKdW4gMjAxNCAwOToxNDowOSAtMDcwMApGcm9tOiAiS2luZGVybGVocmVyIiA8a2luZGVybGVocmVyQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0PgpUbzogIidkYXJyZWxsIGZsb3lkJyIgPHRyMjUwZHJpdmVyQGdtYWlsLmNvbT4sCsKgwqDCoCA8dHJpdW1waHNAYXV0b3gudGVhbS5uZXQ.ClN1YmplY3Q6IFJlOiBbVFJdIEJyYWtlIGxpZ2h0IHdvZXMKSSB0aGluayBpZiB5b3UgcmVtb3ZlIHRoZSByZXNlcnZvaXIgY2FwLCBzdHJldGNoIHBsYXN0aWMgd3JhcCBvdmVyIHRoZQpvcGVuaW5nIGFuZCB0aGVuIHIBMAEBAQE- Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 16:54:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Cosmo Kramer To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] Brake light woes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 09:14:09 -0700 From: "Kinderlehrer" To: "'darrell floyd'" , Subject: Re: [TR] Brake light woes I think if you remove the reservoir cap, stretch plastic wrap over the opening and then replace the cap, essentially closing the vent hole to create a vacuum, you will not lose any fluid. Don't forget to remove the plastic wrap when you finish the replacement of the switch :-). Even if you do lose some fluid, it's up stream of the wheel cylinders, so most likely you won't have to bleed the system. Bob Hi List! After you are done, squeeze the front brake pads back against the back of the caliper. This will 'BACKFLUSH' the air bubbles back on top of the reservoir. -Cosmo Kramer ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:22 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0C6E2584FCE for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2014 00:13:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EC0F2580586 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2014 00:13:09 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=rmi.net; b=Xe08g78o1NLj80DDbijTPvkXpiJLIGWdTopJvhM3WKR24ruoTawpVNElyWmiKV4V; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [24.145.250.109] (helo=localhost.localdomain) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1WvE2x-0000s6-A2 for triumphs@autox.team.net; Thu, 12 Jun 2014 19:04:39 -0400 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 18:04:46 -0500 From: Roger Elliott User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <83FE11EAF59440C6A64A9A03CB797324@livingroompc> Subject: Re: [TR] Fw: LED instrument lights on EBAY Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Could you repeat the Radio Shack link? I clicked on it an Radio Shack is not able to find the part. I even searched for 2062581 which I guess is the part number. Roger On 06/07/2014 08:11 PM, Greg Lemon wrote: > I ran into the same issue Bob mentions when I tried to use the big > LEDS, I > did however end up figuring out how to get the LED to work for the turn > signal indicator (with a little help from my internet friends) it > wasn't too > hard or expensive, and since I couldn't really see the incandescent in > the > bright sun, and I can see the LED, I thought was worth the effort: > > Take one of these: > > http://autolumination.com/otherleds.htm > > (scroll down to E10 Screw Base 4 Led Focused Lens Led Bulbs) > > Put one of these inline to the LED: > > http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...ductId=2062581 > > And go from this: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3om56PrC9Rs > > to this: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B80m6kPyero >> >> Greg Lemon > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/elliottr@rmi.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:22 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AD702584BF8 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2014 01:43:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173015pub.verizon.net (vms173015pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.15]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CE10258049C for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2014 01:43:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from RonLHeraultPC ([unknown] [74.104.178.64]) by vms173015.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0N7000MS2DLFS600@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Wed, 11 Jun 2014 09:29:40 -0500 (CDT) From: "Ron L'Herault" To: References: Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 10:29:36 -0400 Content-language: en-us Thread-index: Ac+FWu0x/0HnxwoASMaidkNZLI9LhwAJjYBw Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 7, Issue 159 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Today's Topics: 1. Re: TR4 Bonnet (Allen Hess) 2. Brake light woes (darrell floyd) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- RE: the Bonnet. Do you get resistance or is the cable completely loose? If you get resistance, have someone push on the hood over the latch area while you pull the cable. RE: Brake light switches. If you can get to the areas where wires attach and/or to where the actuator plunger goes into the switch, spray in some contact cleaner. It's a spray deoxidizing material that cleans off contacts. You can get it at places like "Radio Shack." Ron L ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:22 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FA0A25873C3 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2014 08:28:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa12-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa12-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.232]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F35F125846AC for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2014 08:28:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 370Z ([76.184.172.222]) by p3plsmtpa12-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id DqC31o00V4oFfFQ01qC59k; Fri, 13 Jun 2014 07:12:05 -0700 From: "dave n" To: References: <002401cf8659$58256210$08702630$@net> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 09:12:36 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Brake light woes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO if you get speedbleeders, bleeding is very easy. http://www.speedbleeder.com/ ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:23 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04A8E2588404 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2014 10:14:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f182.google.com (mail-lb0-f182.google.com [209.85.217.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E97425807A6 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2014 10:14:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f182.google.com with SMTP id z11so1689355lbi.13 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2014 09:14:08 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=s1LgzG4KihRPRAE2GbuhuDPzXh39DBIk5VlE6BkP09o=; b=Ip928CgEOg0wdfpLSH/ipqnn1wSpBYgJiwVHQeVG72WZi50DT6wgq0p5ZK9Wiw6408 0WBl7NB7BchlOVJru2is09DVthNVnTD5AzG1PetIa5Nt4PjmZSqragYBHWBPLZsgTPkp HGMr+mm2Etj/+64IDhQMqfO/pspMjFb2T45xhion/LRmo9HMqLFCtq+LtPetWLPa3Vp3 nu18IhdWBYJwdfvOfVmUvWegMLARbWwdksfdkisZm1Ubo7y8KD/WtRTPTdiGXlx3yOkL Shb/NSpoRix+cT//kqzbzek3CEozNkOr0fPclGd2Rh/4NsYGlPPurhEu4xd4T9V5ND+X eJkw== bk8mr273277lbc.99.1402670058802; Fri, 13 Jun 2014 07:34:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.5.168 with HTTP; Fri, 13 Jun 2014 07:34:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 07:34:18 -0700 From: Brian Induni To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Brake light woes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Not sure I follow the logic of the Dot 5 fluid - I've used this in at least a dozen cars I've restored and have never had an issue because of it. I have, however, learned that the mechanical pressure switch is a finicky bugger, and have also learned that if I fill the pressure inlet with fluid, it will push the air out that is trapped in there. Remember, if you have air in your brake lines, the brakes don't work so well. Same goes for the switch. You need to "bleed" the air out of it before installing it. I'm not claiming that the switch works exactly like a mech switch, but pretty close. If there is enough pressure to engage the brakes, the lights should come on. Of course, this is assuming the switch is new, which is an absolute must! Brian > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 10:04:33 -0500 > From: Randy and Valerie DeRuiter > To: darrell floyd , Triumph List > > Subject: Re: [TR] Brake light woes > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Darrell- > > My guess is you are running Dot5 in your system? That is what I think > created > the same problem in my 3A - brakes would only light if I stomped on them, > sensitivity was lost. My solution was switching to a mechanical switch > mounted under the dash. > > I think you can pull that switch quickly and not need a complete rebleed, > but > of course plan on bleeding just in case. But if you do use Dot5, expect > this > to be a recurring issue based on what I've seen. > > Randy > > > Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2014 11:13:33 -0400 > > From: tr250driver@gmail.com > > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > > Subject: [TR] Brake light woes > > > > Guys, > > Here I am all ready to go to the TRA National meeting and a light check > on > > the TR3B reveals no brake lights at all. Everything else is normal. The > > TR4 is a little better, brake lights come on if you stomp on the pedal. > No > > I do not have any spare switches. > > If I can get a couple of those by Tuesday do any of you know if I will > > need to bleed the brakes after I install them? Any other ideas on what > to > > check?? > > Thanks, > > Darrell ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:23 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1D192588E3B for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2014 12:14:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from BAY004-OMC1S2.hotmail.com (bay004-omc1s2.hotmail.com [65.54.190.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 259B12584FD0 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2014 12:14:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BAY178-W23 ([65.54.190.59]) by BAY004-OMC1S2.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22701); Fri, 13 Jun 2014 10:37:08 -0700 From: Randy and Valerie DeRuiter To: Triumph List Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 12:37:07 -0500 References: FILETIME=[19BC4D10:01CF872E] Subject: Re: [TR] Brake light woes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO I'm not sure there is logic involved, but there is some evidence - 3 cars in my club, including mine have experienced this. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me, but it seems too coincidental to have switches fail completely or become much less sensitive to pedal pressure to stop working, and its been after a switch to Dot 5. Dot 4 flushing/refresh, typical maintenance etc and I don't know of an issue. Possibly its related to having some air trapped in the switch, but in my thinking that would just lead to a spongy pedal feel, not failure - pressure would be transmitted in the switch through the air too. In my case I was still using an older switch so possibly the newer Napa or equivalent replacement might behave better. > Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 07:34:18 -0700 > From: binduni@gmail.com > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [TR] Brake light woes > > Not sure I follow the logic of the Dot 5 fluid - I've used this in at least > a dozen cars I've restored and have never had an issue because of it. I > have, however, learned that the mechanical pressure switch is a finicky > bugger, and have also learned that if I fill the pressure inlet with fluid, > it will push the air out that is trapped in there. Remember, if you have > air in your brake lines, the brakes don't work so well. Same goes for the > switch. You need to "bleed" the air out of it before installing it. I'm not > claiming that the switch works exactly like a mech switch, but pretty > close. If there is enough pressure to engage the brakes, the lights should > come on. > > Of course, this is assuming the switch is new, which is an absolute must! > > Brian ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:23 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74E3E258851D for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2014 12:45:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp0.ctinetworks.com (smtp0.ctinetworks.com [205.166.61.207]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27DEE2580AF2 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2014 12:45:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from home2b99dc0107 (75.97.219.115.res-cmts.sth3.ptd.net [75.97.219.115]) by smtp0.ctinetworks.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 18A71F5D80 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2014 14:28:59 -0400 (EDT) From: "davewillner" To: Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 14:29:06 -0400 Subject: [TR] Price of B. Piggott's Original TR2,3? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO I was looking for some TR3 items in the UK on eBay and I came across a used copy of Bill Piggott's "Original TR2/3/3A" offered at $625.00. Can't believe it, how's that possible? Dave Willner 59 TR3A 70 MGB 70 BSA 441 VS [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of Emoticon9.gif] ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:23 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD6AE2589B78 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2014 14:11:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m08.mx.aol.com (omr-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.222.129]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2C402589B27 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2014 14:11:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mcc01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mcc01.mx.aol.com [172.26.253.85]) by omr-m08.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 162BB7025656A; Fri, 13 Jun 2014 16:03:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mha001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mha001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.238.129]) by mtaomg-mcc01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id C25F338000082; Fri, 13 Jun 2014 16:03:11 -0400 (EDT) References: <3BFE883C863649CBBA3095627336E086@home2b99dc0107> To: davewillner@pa.net, triumphs@autox.team.net From: "Andrew S. Mace" Received: from 149.10.144.120 by webmail-m244.sysops.aol.com (64.12.138.242) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 13 Jun 2014 16:03:11 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 16:03:11 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1402689792; bh=Qu56E4IiE6JkSUdLw8QcKWSqnb3M4XBoFEXiQfmMSgA=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=NBi0g5FR1CrMJjleahlsM54nS+3VK7BShyp+9zCvof8k6Shkdm/ewOfxh5AbvO1bX QyqMngaoDCUPZGqVNlvQmHmYLryo3ev6gB+Sy5ymDPJNOaeHO2IYzG2/kEWa04+/rE mluTwk8sVDsng6TBlDdI+xf91lniI8x7vcvLO864= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1afd55539b58ff24fc Subject: Re: [TR] Price of B. Piggott's Original TR2,3? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Just "Google" the title and you'll see worse! Sadly, I remember when a decent TR2/3/3A "driver" cost less than the asking price of some copies of this book! :( --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: davewillner To: triumphs Sent: Fri, Jun 13, 2014 3:58 pm Subject: [TR] Price of B. Piggott's Original TR2,3? I was looking for some TR3 items in the UK on eBay and I came across a used copy of Bill Piggott's "Original TR2/3/3A" offered at $625.00. Can't believe it, how's that possible? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:23 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2516F25849AB for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2014 00:13:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wi0-f173.google.com (mail-wi0-f173.google.com [209.85.212.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 355902584A89; Sat, 14 Jun 2014 00:02:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f173.google.com with SMTP id cc10so1816935wib.12 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2014 23:02:13 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type; bh=oXtpR4JLkaQTeJ+C78cn19Lx5Py5mkPYGaHTro/n2k0=; b=iL8c7DSaMENkGtnCfw9tVHPzH6kwY4FT4v3npoqyWmjeftmJgLnL6Y5QTP9vuUrWVR XE09CVxirM4f05EX2ucXWES18DwaDiuscigZY1beAn3z6Z8jmSx5V/JOOAd6RncYQ53V b1Gl5eptvYr3rwb7g0m1BkCo9fkFsI9MTbwFp+sdlsI9SfblQhF9VpTbmmWh8G2jun7B NdzAMI4rzVLs+QOvkLYlVEwHPur0NCElUKiCePfA3fYSQQNPF+6P3JoDqza/7mBWbxv3 nlO0BTDcK6hzp6rQta7Jx9SprTDUkURWfxMlbkUMCWBImM2yT9UVK7HyMEIKPwQzdkJ3 ksNg== hz4mr10037003wjb.65.1402725732960; Fri, 13 Jun 2014 23:02:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from AlexPC ([212.3.188.111]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id m1sm16761186eep.24.2014.06.13.23.02.10 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 13 Jun 2014 23:02:12 -0700 (PDT) From: "Italyfound" To: "*Six Pack" <6pack@autox.team.net>, "*Triumphs List" Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2014 08:01:55 +0200 Subject: [TR] Triumph Club Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Quick question on a club in Michigan...... Is anyone familiar with the Detroit Triumph Sports Car Club? Is this club still active. I have been trying to contact them but have received no response to emails... Thx, Alex Manzo 59 TR3A 72 TR6 00 Fiat Barchetta ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:23 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFDEE258557F for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2014 07:29:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f178.google.com (mail-ob0-f178.google.com [209.85.214.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2152225848D9 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2014 06:59:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ob0-f178.google.com with SMTP id wn1so3928761obc.23 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2014 05:59:03 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=stRYm6sXjCNEwUxh95nRh+aqAiEAWRYMbh/gNS/N+pc=; b=07oM3lZaZpNsw2OpPkg5A42O4ksTqbtwcJ+5upoDkVq1qm1le+F2HUYzEpaQsLNiDo WVsWazyX0w6zan6wLEdcZzUT7KmnapANA1qD5VIIRVVOkRr6RnksgDr5ZlXwdlH4E0pc AUxzqlRxw/kPEGWIs5pSoq+as15n9iaJy3QW4KG9SBLFt8XlP5GfDQEA6RE7BIMwDDDy yokFtZMHMGDnJKc7e63zEkaTUHgfJXmWJYhPxryTy7LssqpBmEucsJ0Um1R5jXBRaJ4u 7v5I+4rMm8+gSsgVq31Rm3ed+gCUW2hKGPzlwSwjo0sJqgPJBitp9ztQnW3p88HlveYD mEAA== Fri, 13 Jun 2014 18:33:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.202.85.195 with HTTP; Fri, 13 Jun 2014 18:33:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 21:33:37 -0400 From: Perry Hammock To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR3 Broken Clutch Taper Pin Removal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Perhaps I finally have something to contribute today after removing the transmission in my TR3A I found the clutch fork taper pin was broken at the threads. read up on the remedies suggested, ecch. I cleaned up the area, and tried to think of another way. I got my 1/4 sheet vibrating sander, wedged the grease fitting on the cross shaft between the platen and the body and let it vibrate the assembly. After about a minute or so, the pin fell out with out any other encouragement Bob's your Uncle! That was easy, and the beer tasted so wonderful. Just a suggestion next time you face the same dilemma. Perry Hammock 1960 TR3A O ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:23 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B786258528B for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2014 08:59:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f180.google.com (mail-qc0-f180.google.com [209.85.216.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CAD82585798 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2014 07:43:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qc0-f180.google.com with SMTP id r5so1986984qcx.25 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2014 06:43:34 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=z2azQbJlqSLVmFdOImJDfzxauKI0d6RxIvqDLep0xx0=; b=jssbP9hCEEjtVtD+seDGfV5YVULo5Z3XcgsyVvGqdbMyP2wCE7ejT3wkxjs++VT+NX ExeptKgyNfLWhUUJ79txlUgOllrKZmzDwZSM/kGwHvlRdwLxCX1Z/l337qVAtm4VdBGx 010zs1s1nXEuhYQdhYQVCbcKNmSAy82lLKLxXM9H4+kyfT7IDzVxe85yHiRfNkiZfkvr AMzzBkX6xg/vpfUP0D61L3S2rtSxoNBPec4zxqIC//yJ9JkF2rb1jnmDLnKtxSfuy7PX OAxhYucZhG1Ap37G/3K+rvd5sX+NBF416rezhuKGNYUUyuWrgUvU48ABwuxJ9CWMVgt9 BksA== h3mr11842659qah.61.1402750199493; Sat, 14 Jun 2014 05:49:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.85.134 with HTTP; Sat, 14 Jun 2014 05:49:59 -0700 (PDT) References: <3BFE883C863649CBBA3095627336E086@home2b99dc0107> Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2014 08:49:59 -0400 From: Don Hiscock To: davewillner Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Price of B. Piggott's Original TR2,3? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Tell me when one sells for that price, and then I'll be impressed. It takes nothing to ask a crazy amount. Do you have a link to the listing? I can't find it... Don On 6/13/14, davewillner wrote: > I was looking for some TR3 items in the UK on eBay and I came across a used > copy of Bill Piggott's "Original TR2/3/3A" offered at $625.00. Can't > believe > it, how's that possible? > > Dave Willner > 59 TR3A > 70 MGB > 70 BSA 441 VS > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of > Emoticon9.gif] > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:23 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDA3F25864A9 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2014 10:23:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEB192580607 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2014 10:22:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ool-45781a0e.dyn.optonline.net [69.120.26.14]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0N7600HX62UBC8C0@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 14 Jun 2014 12:23:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2014 12:23:05 -0400 From: George Richardson To: Triumphs User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 Subject: [TR] TR3 rotors Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO I've got a 1957 TR3, the first year the car had disc brakes. The rotors are shots and I wanted to replace them. I learned some time back that the cars brakes were not original. The pads, shoes, front calipers and rear cylinders all seemed to be from a TR4. I ordered parts from Moss, including 10 3/4" rotors. Unfortunately, after getting them and mounting one, I find that the old rotors are 10 1/4", and the calipers don't fit. Anyone know what takes a 10 1/4" rotor? TR6 maybe? -- George Richardson Key Men - Keys for Classics www.key-men.com 1957 Triumph TR3 1961 Jaguar Mark 2 1975 Triumph TR6 1997 Land Rover Discovery ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:24 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48A6B2584886 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2014 17:03:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from COL004-OMC1S10.hotmail.com (col004-omc1s10.hotmail.com [65.55.34.20]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5C822580093 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2014 16:19:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from COL402-EAS48 ([65.55.34.8]) by COL004-OMC1S10.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22701); Sun, 15 Jun 2014 15:06:29 -0700 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 15:08:43 -0700 From: glevit1 To: triumphs@autox.team.net FILETIME=[0F6DBF60:01CF88E6] Subject: [TR] Brake Switch Hard to engage with silicone fluid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Follow link for discussion of hydralic switch with silicone fluid. http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/electric/et119a.htm Follow link for this swith which spe if it's that it can be used with silicone fluid and operates on low pressure of 20 to 50 psi Gerry http://www.ronfrancis.com/prodinfo.asp?number=SW-32 Sent from Samsung tablet ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:24 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0EEC25847F3 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2014 20:47:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-queue02.email.rr.com (unknown [107.14.166.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AB9125800A4 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2014 19:25:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com ([107.14.174.243]) by cdptpa-queue01.email.rr.com (InterMail vM.8.04.01.13 201-2343-100-167-20131028) with ESMTP id <20140615164744.ZUB25146.cdptpa-queue01.email.rr.com@cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com> for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2014 16:47:44 +0000 Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge02 smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [107.14.174.248] ([107.14.174.248:22025] helo=cdptpa-web27) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id DA/5F-24736-24B8B935; Fri, 13 Jun 2014 23:37:38 +0000 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 23:37:38 +0000 From: Randall To: triumphs@autox.team.net Sensitivity: Normal 2014 23:37:37 +0000 Subject: Re: [TR] Brake light woes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO > Of course, this is assuming the switch is new, which is an absolute must! So, you have to replace the switch every time you use the brakes? I've used DOT 5 for several decades now, and I love it. The original brake light switch in my previous TR3A (which was converted in 1985 or so) lasted a long time, but eventually failed in just the manner described. It would still work if the pressure was high enough, but the pressure required kept getting higher and higher until even a fairly hard stop would not light the brake lights. Not a Good Thing. Several replacements from various sources (including a repro switch from Moss and a Ford replacement from FLAPS) went the same way in fairly short order (less than a year for each one, some in only a few weeks). Changing to a mechanical switch solved the problem permanently. Well, almost permanently. I did have one problem where the reservoir was leaking a tiny amount, and the fluif ran down the pedal and got into the switch ... causing a similar failure in a mechanical switch! The moral seems clear, DOT 5 and switch contacts do not get along! A post-mortem on the switch showed moisture along the shaft, which felt like DOT 5, and a hard black substance on the contacts, which I now believe to be silicon from burned DOT 5. But having been pushed into it, I do rather like having brake lights that come on _before_ braking starts, rather than after. With the mechanical switch, they come on as soon as I put my foot on the pedal, instead of waiting until the pedal has moved far enough to build pressure in the system. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:24 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0FA92584FE7 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 08:18:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from filter01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (filter01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 103BF258060B for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 08:17:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by filter01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 963CD2731A9 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 13:21:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net ([199.224.80.244]) by localhost (filter01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net [199.224.80.228]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id dhT7YQYQ3uT9 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 13:20:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from zora (unknown [184.18.170.194]) by relay01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id E9A0C30C0CF for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 13:20:46 +0000 (UTC) From: "Triumph" To: "Triumphs Email List" References: <3BFE883C863649CBBA3095627336E086@home2b99dc0107> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 09:20:46 -0400 Subject: Re: [TR] Price of B. Piggott's Original TR2,3? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO I just typed "Original Triumph TR2/3/3A" in Google and the first listing was from Amazon. They show 11 used from $299.95 and 4 new from $614.48 so there is something going on. Other sites seem to support this high price also. Bob Maassel Fort Wayne, IN 1959 TR3A tr3abobm77@frontier.com -----Original Message----- From: Don Hiscock Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2014 8:49 AM To: davewillner Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Price of B. Piggott's Original TR2,3? Tell me when one sells for that price, and then I'll be impressed. It takes nothing to ask a crazy amount. Do you have a link to the listing? I can't find it... Don On 6/13/14, davewillner wrote: > I was looking for some TR3 items in the UK on eBay and I came across a > used > copy of Bill Piggott's "Original TR2/3/3A" offered at $625.00. Can't > believe > it, how's that possible? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:24 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2444A25858CA for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 09:18:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yk0-f173.google.com (mail-yk0-f173.google.com [209.85.160.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9C842580940 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 09:18:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-yk0-f173.google.com with SMTP id q200so4206732ykb.4 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 08:18:54 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=OXUyAz4K4KwS00tg9sVRrNslhnAug7IEaL/QJzze1UM=; b=jt+jM5Z6XBcelfzYuoeWmL1oyiDncMvL11Dn4uTnXGFCGL3MhD4WNokzEsZ30cP3Vk VK9/WOPyxlnsMbUdhG9B+1Hxq83QtsfKdtnncxz23to9gT49mcrTUXdSTd2rmT00kBZL CFrD/CZQH9GC7OSCFU0f3MEsBOr+vhLsdYNWTeVB7fe+KEV3CNQhvOeaClChZpT4LQJl ReKqpCbWqoXLVLxN4Llg9I9bS6iPXqNgCu+TdcLCnkI0eqUZbO3Ocuia2xtoImK7dpTj iYK9zSyXVvXev/wyj6Lg+xeD2+opasmkzVGQSuHXCriHAp9DH0FL49ssn9OsVx1S/dCL U5ww== e38mr35400448yhq.76.1402930081929; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 07:48:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.170.194.7 with HTTP; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 07:48:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 10:48:01 -0400 From: darrell floyd To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Brake light woes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Hey Guys, I did get a switch from Napa, the only one they had in the general area last Tuesday and put it in the 3B, the lights worked well but I carried thru with a brake bleed just to be sure. The Four improved some after a brake bleed so I just took that one to TRA. Going to put a new switch in her shortly. Yes I guess the Dot 5 is ruining the switches. The 3b switch is only a few years old. Some say the Napa switches are better? Cheers, Darrell ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:24 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 036C125864E1 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 09:24:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from gateway12.websitewelcome.com (gateway12.websitewelcome.com [69.93.82.6]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C32402584729 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 09:24:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: by gateway12.websitewelcome.com (Postfix, from userid 5007) id 2FCD131932E16; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 09:37:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from gator3187.hostgator.com (gator3187.hostgator.com [198.57.247.151]) by gateway12.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D59F31932D8D for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 09:37:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from leexray by gator3187.hostgator.com with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1WwY2P-0000Pf-GT for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 09:37:33 -0500 Received: from 99.101.202.162 ([99.101.202.162]) (proxying for 99.101.202.162) (SquirrelMail authenticated user lee@automate-it.com) by webmail.automate-it.com with HTTP; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 09:37:33 -0500 References: <3BFE883C863649CBBA3095627336E086@home2b99dc0107> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 09:37:33 -0500 From: "Lee Daniels" To: triumphs@autox.team.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.5.2 [SVN] with any abuse report /usr/local/cpanel/base/3rdparty/squirrelmail/src/compose.php Subject: Re: [TR] Price of B. Piggott's Original TR2,3? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO I'm pretty sure that there are often items listed on eBay that are purely money laundering. There's a particular blank journal that my wife uses, usually sold for about $20, and we once found one of them listed for $16,000. Or this reference work (used in my work) that is available for about $300, here listed for $2,462.63: http://r.ebay.com/LnbgWY But $625 for Piggott's book probably isn't enough to justify anything illegal, it's more likely someone just trying to test the market. On Fri, June 13, 2014 13:29, davewillner wrote: > I was looking for some TR3 items in the UK on eBay and I came across a used > copy of Bill Piggott's "Original TR2/3/3A" offered at $625.00. Can't believe > it, how's that possible? > > Dave Willner > 59 TR3A > 70 MGB > 70 BSA 441 VS ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:24 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9422258702B for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 13:06:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm7-vm5.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm7-vm5.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.125]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 036E325806EE for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 13:06:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.39.60.169] by nm7.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2014 19:06:25 -0000 Received: from [98.138.104.100] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2014 19:06:25 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp120.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2014 19:06:25 -0000 s=s1024; t=1402945585; bh=SP59Bxj1ei0HbuPQOkKDz+3gLCrQtSuciXO1Fg6TumI=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=zLFvuImvX49goMsTPVBu37n7w0onsslQqkpAjaQf680vqI/xnb9ycYWPCYIrKj19fce7CWFPis4owiZpLfd6tIBcYI871njhuhsndFJwY8Qx5Qit5fsmTz02g86PgrugQwifgYxxpzcYgq39WAk5/Vy3IMkHb2V7tIN24nhdFDg= b03HLpTjGoVSqezCxYrF9gDhlDqoVZ9Tx.L.zfdKMS22HajrDogvblwkFgNh 3NUampsyujDjqsTbqe3bozvI3gjzDS6.73Qc0GL40ECoe7bSkOcJLz3NZ4Qy .pw02B4Z76KPPlCNRgS61WUFip2hls9gybhXjy3QOnCFlkkk0s6yc3NffE3i Bp24lopNhO1tAGCYB2h1y5JQBBaGQIBhyXGbn555wm00rSXP1Ll3KxE3QdP9 eI2gYgs2rmAbzGsaAZwHwXh92tV0.3qgL_bkE2I9OflIoZ1O5JqjRsp5mmS6 LFJkRngnMzyMJB26ZLydimX77yPtdswP7aJxIWbd3PCtY_m4agqueusVlgAC YufcginFdC4_oYwK.DtWebsDUgzynVriROFtRhP7wrx.ECMfTpj32XwVnZiM 0GMce_yBdCCE060J3o1RIBJuaENNqTCW5tmMegrwTs47sSdWwHJ073_0.irP sy10xQyAqVuNwRVO2oIy8isKcyd6KzbCkIofjiS.ZnclgmL7XJ0LGYO8a3UX AdzcqvX6X4do2AkXwJ8vBepig3uSY9K9JFPhhsHBSVcJ3kSNM268- plain [98.138.31.74]) by smtp120.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2014 19:06:25 +0000 UTC References: <3BFE883C863649CBBA3095627336E086@home2b99dc0107> From: Wbeech Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 14:06:24 -0500 To: Triumph Cc: Triumphs Email List Subject: Re: [TR] Price of B. Piggott's Original TR2,3? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO The real question is "is anyone buying?" There is also a used TR3 nose emblem that has been there for months at only $424.00 + shipping, no takers. Sent from mobile Bill On Jun 16, 2014, at 8:20 AM, "Triumph" wrote: I just typed "Original Triumph TR2/3/3A" in Google and the first listing was from Amazon. They show 11 used from $299.95 and 4 new from $614.48 so there is something going on. Other sites seem to support this high price also. Bob Maassel Fort Wayne, IN 1959 TR3A tr3abobm77@frontier.com -----Original Message----- From: Don Hiscock Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2014 8:49 AM To: davewillner Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Price of B. Piggott's Original TR2,3? Tell me when one sells for that price, and then I'll be impressed. It takes nothing to ask a crazy amount. Do you have a link to the listing? I can't find it... Don > On 6/13/14, davewillner wrote: > I was looking for some TR3 items in the UK on eBay and I came across a used > copy of Bill Piggott's "Original TR2/3/3A" offered at $625.00. Can't > believe > it, how's that possible? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:24 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDBC52586FD1 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 14:37:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.104]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9731A25807DE for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 14:36:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Home ([70.210.69.95]) by p3plsmtpa08-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id F8c91o00J23L38u018cQH6; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 13:36:25 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 16:36:10 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac+JoGQdutOkyCNfRXubaHrODKTs7g== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] Dzus question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO After removing the stanchion plates from the front scuttle, I see that one of the "S"-shaped pieces (to which the Dzus bolt attaches) has snapped. I remember somewhere seeing these pieces new, but I cannot seem to find them. The guy at Moss Motors didn't even know what I was talking about. Does anyone have advice on how I could get my hands on one? As an aside, is anyone else getting frustrated with Moss? Seems that recently I have had so many issues: wrong parts sent, broken stuff, sales reps not having a clue... Were that everything worked as well as this list (Hi, Mark !) Andrew Uprichard. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:24 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5CC125847F1 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 17:24:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from walmailout08.yourhostingaccount.com (walmailout08.yourhostingaccount.com [65.254.253.237]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03BC12580451 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 17:23:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mailscan07.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.15.7] helo=walmailscan07.yourhostingaccount.com) by walmailout08.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1WwgFt-0004NK-GI for triumphs@autox.team.net; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 19:24:01 -0400 Received: from impout02.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.55.2] helo=impout02.yourhostingaccount.com) by walmailscan07.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1WwgFt-0006dz-AH; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 19:24:01 -0400 Received: from webmail02.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.16.2]) by impout02.yourhostingaccount.com with NO UCE id FBQ11o00702gC1E01BQ1rK; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 19:24:01 -0400 a=GYzHc3mh05v8unprsQ0nVQ==:17 a=Q7zus9ReCAYA:10 a=5dg-vDORog0A:10 a=wg63zuhbB7gA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=yCwGVx20AAAA:8 a=ObD0-6JFAAAA:8 a=cW4-NtOyAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=1yAJP76sAAAA:8 a=MaIK_xhFcMoBo_92gskA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=Ez2Y-rftH6UA:10 a=SDYMIisBsK4A:10 a=QcFxcOnyDiYA:10 a=dv0r53mSTk2e8KAhgMvRMg==:117 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=email.accountsupport.com) by webmail02.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1WwgEz-00072X-2s; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 19:23:05 -0400 Received: from 69.180.140.196 (SquirrelMail authenticated user greg@gelhar.com) by email.accountsupport.com with HTTP; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 19:23:05 -0400 References: <3BFE883C863649CBBA3095627336E086@home2b99dc0107> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 19:23:05 -0400 From: greg@gelhar.com To: "Triumph" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.19 Cc: Triumphs Email List Subject: Re: [TR] Price of B. Piggott's Original TR2,3? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO I have a nice copy of that book. Anyone want to give me $100 for it and flip it for a profit? Greg G. Osseo, MN > I just typed "Original Triumph TR2/3/3A" in Google and the first listing > was > from Amazon. They show 11 used from $299.95 and 4 new from $614.48 so > there > is something going on. Other sites seem to support this high price also. > > Bob Maassel > Fort Wayne, IN > 1959 TR3A > tr3abobm77@frontier.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Don Hiscock > Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2014 8:49 AM > To: davewillner > Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [TR] Price of B. Piggott's Original TR2,3? > > Tell me when one sells for that price, and then I'll be impressed. It > takes nothing to ask a crazy amount. > > Do you have a link to the listing? I can't find it... > > Don > > On 6/13/14, davewillner wrote: >> I was looking for some TR3 items in the UK on eBay and I came across a >> used >> copy of Bill Piggott's "Original TR2/3/3A" offered at $625.00. Can't >> believe >> it, how's that possible? > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/greg@gelhar.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:24 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67BBF25856A5 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 19:56:27 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.225]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1E0D2580259 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 19:18:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [108.167.8.138] ([108.167.8.138:52619] helo=livingroompc) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 3D/B5-24736-EB39F935; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 01:02:55 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: "Triumph" , "Triumphs Email List" References: <3BFE883C863649CBBA3095627336E086@home2b99dc0107> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 20:02:57 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Price of B. Piggott's Original TR2,3? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Do you think people will actually pay anywhere near those asking prices for the books?, I know when I was looking the the equivalent book for the TR4-6 they were asking in the $100 or more range, I eventually found one on E-bay Canada for about $20 and pounced, but don't know if there are such bargains anymore. But I can't imagine paying that kind of money for a recently published book that retailed for less than a tenth that a few years ago even if I did have that kind of money to spend on such a book. Greg Lemon ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:25 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C7672580906 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 22:48:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.105]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E94332580530 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 21:06:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 370Z ([76.184.172.222]) by p3plsmtpa08-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id FEz21o00M4oFfFQ01Ez3T7; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 19:59:03 -0700 From: "dave n" To: Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 22:00:12 -0500 Subject: [TR] help with identifying gaskets Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO hi. Ibve got these gaskets that are supposed to go with my 57 TR3. http://www.ranteer.com/misc/ its been an on again, off again kind of restoration, and I was hoping someone could tell me where these go. thanks! ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:25 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2083525846B0 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 23:05:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f175.google.com (mail-vc0-f175.google.com [209.85.220.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61F4A2580530 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 21:07:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f175.google.com with SMTP id hy4so5818950vcb.34 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 20:07:06 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=XJgE7RJX3UC9ZcfnEeslVWdYiUkoeQfhVxvxXwCfV2M=; b=rgdUyF58WlDS2wY8ebkYLh1ypTR+eY9AdU+3T7LVe6Ae1IjFVo+8r636KXoGexcajS uP3zLB6obltHg9N/KqfMO9kMvfmnsdRUAWsHdRjWyr+ASlvy/CI4eMuqkoP1jKlndEJL 9mM5xs/0Jq6FDBU7F7DlWGTGLni9MBnkPrX/74RA7ZHRtegUYqiFr5pySFnBjHy0oemO +J8Ow+36gWyhk9nocp2UsAT5dcZkPMZ3hDCC0pkjKoXkv82TAqdfcAbaDxbMRp3Ks83A QoRzemS15q7fW5+1TnRS1sLB3QwxhLSBkgurQowQAEuHEJHeFyY+v7WJN9drqKCT4vWc lQzA== Mon, 16 Jun 2014 18:16:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.83.203 with HTTP; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 18:16:52 -0700 (PDT) References: <20140613233738.SPGRW.11668.root@cdptpa-web27> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 18:16:52 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Brake light woes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO On the subject of brake light switches... this is the mechanical switch I added on my other (non-TR) British car: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000E5DILY/ref=pe_385040_30332200_pe_309540_26725410_item I left the hydraulic switch in place (which has not failed despite my using DOT5) and added the above switch with a simple metal bracket in the footwell operated by pedal arm movement. I had no problems with the hydraulic switch but do like that the mechanical switch operates the brake lights with only the slightest pedal movement - which may happen well in advance of serious braking. Looking at the TR3A pedal box I think that same switch might fit into the hole in the front lip of the box to be actuated by the upper tip of the pedal arm (very similar to a TR4 switch). Otherwise, an interior bracket may be needed. Yeah, I know the usuals carry mechanical switches but I have heard mixed results with those (esp the white plastic version) whereas this metal version has been used by quite a few LBC owners with success. Geo On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Randall wrote: > > Of course, this is assuming the switch is new, which is an absolute must! > > So, you have to replace the switch every time you use the brakes? > > I've used DOT 5 for several decades now, and I love it. The original > brake light switch in my previous TR3A (which was converted in 1985 or so) > lasted a long time, but eventually failed in just the manner described. It > would still work if the pressure was high enough, but the pressure required > kept getting higher and higher until even a fairly hard stop would not > light the brake lights. Not a Good Thing. > > Several replacements from various sources (including a repro switch from > Moss and a Ford replacement from FLAPS) went the same way in fairly short > order (less than a year for each one, some in only a few weeks). > > Changing to a mechanical switch solved the problem permanently. Well, > almost permanently. I did have one problem where the reservoir was leaking > a tiny amount, and the fluif ran down the pedal and got into the switch ... > causing a similar failure in a mechanical switch! The moral seems clear, > DOT 5 and switch contacts do not get along! A post-mortem on the switch > showed moisture along the shaft, which felt like DOT 5, and a hard black > substance on the contacts, which I now believe to be silicon from burned > DOT 5. > > But having been pushed into it, I do rather like having brake lights that > come on _before_ braking starts, rather than after. With the mechanical > switch, they come on as soon as I put my foot on the pedal, instead of > waiting until the pedal has moved far enough to build pressure in the > system. > > Randall > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:25 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C10D225806EE for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 01:33:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f43.google.com (mail-oa0-f43.google.com [209.85.219.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2E2D258043D for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 01:23:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f43.google.com with SMTP id o6so7690459oag.16 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 00:24:00 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=0DffE76z5zsOmW7r/3fyNbI3m2I/WNfYNsnnQiq6I78=; b=p+TXPEC6RqsGLaiciJ4C4rdW0tzByePsqKnsIPvOwP51DPCEzAVXzUAIhgJspM6Gjf D7ErOVMXTUnuwnvZhUIQ7Kvy50eFZRuvWVx8iXLvN/P3xKmHs8DB/pjVOShIQp9RjBm+ VrtNQqXInyGuZfe1VAP7WyLc+VYV6K8GuBMowHU755GZfdLABtULQwQapq+JsP0yK9Dj i3ZVvWESzrWj5Ra9+jivE2a6cjqJ1Urf2X6dfmUh2et4fMz3FV0nc0WYQs5VUJExGVXx yosQwzXEhEXzDur4TtAuTBqazuNhivMXFHuhzzp02HqefLCaoJ4yDiSlT+RA7F//7KIt tiaQ== mp3mr21896299obb.40.1402942019208; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 11:06:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from White-Rabbit.local (24-121-172-242.npg.sta.suddenlink.net. [24.121.172.242]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id x14sm27949011obp.19.2014.06.16.11.06.57 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 16 Jun 2014 11:06:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 11:06:56 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <3BFE883C863649CBBA3095627336E086@home2b99dc0107> Subject: Re: [TR] Price of B. Piggott's Original TR2,3? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO On 6/16/14, 6:20 AM, Triumph wrote: > I just typed "Original Triumph TR2/3/3A" in Google and the first > listing was from Amazon. They show 11 used from $299.95 and 4 new from > $614.48 so there is something going on. Other sites seem to support > this high price also. > geeeezzzz Maybe I should sell my copy. TeriAnn ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:25 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB80D25855CA for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 06:17:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from que11.charter.net (unknown [209.225.8.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9772625848D1 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 06:07:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20140616112213.BVF6169.mta11.charter.net@imp11>; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 07:22:13 -0400 Received: from mtaout001.msg.strl.va.charter.net ([68.114.190.26]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id EzND1o0030adFl805zNDBH; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 07:22:13 -0400 Received: from impout003 ([68.114.189.18]) by mtaout001.msg.strl.va.charter.net (InterMail vM.9.00.010.00 201-2473-137) with ESMTP id <20140616112213.PLUH22234.mtaout001.msg.strl.va.charter.net@impout003>; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 06:22:13 -0500 Received: from UserPC ([71.88.33.68]) by impout003 with charter.net id EzND1o0011UBpzb01zND5j; Mon, 16 Jun 2014 06:22:13 -0500 a=15jz2KM9ZuDPt9qfoCmb/Q==:117 a=15jz2KM9ZuDPt9qfoCmb/Q==:17 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=1QuRLAT9mfkA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=9Bj6iYZtAAAA:8 a=tX985aOnAAAA:8 a=g-LOANtsAAAA:20 a=apkSpJ11AAAA:20 a=OCZkqsUbAAAA:8 a=I3OqDmUGnZiHirYMFZ8A:9 a=Stp-PkSxHmuTCbS6:21 a=i6UNpgemCIDBrjwA:21 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=pDZmP-wtRt8A:10 a=T2M1hVH0JtkA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 From: "Alex&Janet Thomson" To: "'Roger Elliott'" , References: <83FE11EAF59440C6A64A9A03CB797324@livingroompc> <539A320E.4020102@rmi.net> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 07:22:12 -0400 Thread-Index: AQJHUeBVTzp4VY2yioZHQ+/AB5ehrAKAd0OzmnABxRA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] Fw: LED instrument lights on EBAY Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Try searching for 2062580 (I think that might be the catalog page number) or search for "rectifiers". Alex Thomson -----Original Message----- From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Roger Elliott Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 7:05 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Fw: LED instrument lights on EBAY Could you repeat the Radio Shack link? I clicked on it an Radio Shack is not able to find the part. I even searched for 2062581 which I guess is the part number. Roger On 06/07/2014 08:11 PM, Greg Lemon wrote: > I ran into the same issue Bob mentions when I tried to use the big > LEDS, I did however end up figuring out how to get the LED to work for > the turn signal indicator (with a little help from my internet > friends) it wasn't too hard or expensive, and since I couldn't really > see the incandescent in the bright sun, and I can see the LED, I > thought was worth the effort: > > Take one of these: > > http://autolumination.com/otherleds.htm > > (scroll down to E10 Screw Base 4 Led Focused Lens Led Bulbs) > > Put one of these inline to the LED: > > http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...ductId=2062581 > > And go from this: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3om56PrC9Rs > > to this: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B80m6kPyero >> >> Greg Lemon > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/elliottr@rmi.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/aljlthomson@charter.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:25 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EBE62585915 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 06:23:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d06.mx.aol.com (omr-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.203]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F4882580A39 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 06:23:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-aam02.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-aam02.mx.aol.com [172.27.19.148]) by omr-d06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 50D4870000091; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 08:15:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mod002b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mod002.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.196.5]) by mtaomg-aam02.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 167ED38000083; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 08:15:59 -0400 (EDT) References: <428A233B85D14A38B1E29C96DC3CC6C5@Ranteer.local> To: dave@ranteer.com, triumphs@autox.team.net From: Dave Received: from 68.188.78.74 by webmail-vm022.sysops.aol.com (149.174.156.100) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 17 Jun 2014 08:15:59 -0400 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 08:15:59 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1403007359; bh=FILkHaJcTz0i5IGkIa002xdmdsZZRlPGy3saIiIJDzw=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=TQLQmPCiQ6M+u4FkKdJsGnprtXkmzr3kMSDFiYLHpZkQ9qlp02HuwvQJuNOfLTAEP rBlNJ5GxnMyxX8JJrGHsaOFnbSmZkn2PPc9TI/n9M7DHgg5RhKjWdHUer+Ny84zLIO /z75b7+GjF8hRUfXS3epiYZxu9VGvo6f8ZRg1SNw= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1b139453a0317f2d70 Subject: Re: [TR] help with identifying gaskets Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Those look like the gaskets that are attached to the bottom side of the doors. There is a series of holes that accept special clips (TRF number 552901) that hold the seals in place. Note that the seal rolls up the leading edge of the door. I don't recognize the metal strip. Dave Massey 57 TR3 (and others) -----Original Message----- From: dave n To: triumphs Sent: Mon, Jun 16, 2014 11:48 pm Subject: [TR] help with identifying gaskets hi. Ibve got these gaskets that are supposed to go with my 57 TR3. http://www.ranteer.com/misc/ its been an on again, off again kind of restoration, and I was hoping someone could tell me where these go. thanks! ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dave1massey@cs.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:25 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5A372580896 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 07:27:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f180.google.com (unknown [209.85.128.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12B1C2580819 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 06:49:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f180.google.com with SMTP id jw12so7545335veb.11 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 05:48:57 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=eu1MEOAX2mOTbxizaKxJsBzdqH7fYM1VgK5G8073otI=; b=tymMw2iMdFXDhgQ98reOMHybRW+zeK+qKigxMcLTk/45Bq3mBN4hybS3ZJ+o7et0KW MHdIeucCBwm23P4AyWDQPqt85XuetCFPcrgSb+gNu5dAqS7UmLB3NliDVz65msejjhbY 1qBc5qq1UA/uqMSGzq9Mn4igxXWMo1gHra71KmxIpzLI+bMV+faf3VapoXoqNDFYbX55 2uV6SUEj2xMOQ/Xv55JI8LHAJjSTr4tIqbXhnJ7zDl1W6aUQkuxVroPB+0wL+Cc0pB01 j41910pa+lgnH+TewYjCdpeTIshie2DGrUHyLkliB2n5uYCCqUy3uCQ0k/7sgXOCuZwl lxFA== xw4mr21790070vec.2.1403009337115; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 05:48:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.83.203 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 05:48:57 -0700 (PDT) References: <428A233B85D14A38B1E29C96DC3CC6C5@Ranteer.local> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 05:48:57 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: dave n Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] help with identifying gaskets Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Possibly door seals / draft seals? See item 19 here: http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=29160&SortOrder=410 And items 40 & 42 here: http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=29156 On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 8:00 PM, dave n wrote: > hi. > > Ib ve got these gaskets that are supposed to go with my 57 TR3. > > http://www.ranteer.com/misc/ > > its been an on again, off again kind of restoration, and I was hoping > someone > could tell me where these go. > > thanks! > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:25 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB0C925846C2 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 08:41:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (unknown [107.14.166.232]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1977E2580453 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 07:13:17 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge03 smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [107.14.174.248] ([107.14.174.248:39110] helo=cdptpa-web08) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id 4F/AA-16046-7EE30A35; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 13:13:11 +0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 13:13:11 +0000 From: Randall To: dave n , triumphs@autox.team.net Sensitivity: Normal 2014 13:13:11 +0000 Subject: Re: [TR] help with identifying gaskets Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO ---- dave n wrote: > hi. > > Ibve got these gaskets that are supposed to go with my 57 TR3. > > http://www.ranteer.com/misc/ > > its been an on again, off again kind of restoration, and I was hoping someone > could tell me where these go. They look to me like the water seals that go along the bottom of the doors; plus a short section where the top of the door meets the scuttle. Unfortunately, they might also be the ones that don't fit very good. The originals were somehow molded with varying density, so the section that goes into the clips on the door was much firmer than the lip that goes against the body; allowing the clip to hold while the rest of the seal crushed to fit. Many if not all of the seals available today have the firmer density all the way, so they don't crush and hold the door open slightly. Good Luck, Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:26 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1953B2584853 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2014 22:52:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 579122580950 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2014 02:31:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Toms ([unknown] [71.173.131.152]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0N7C00IDMHQ4F700@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 22:30:05 -0500 (CDT) From: "Tom Note" To: "Perry Hammock" , References: Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 23:29:58 -0400 Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Broken Clutch Taper Pin Removal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Way to go, Perry! Thanks for passing that on. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Perry Hammock" To: Sent: Friday, June 13, 2014 9:33 PM Subject: [TR] TR3 Broken Clutch Taper Pin Removal > Perhaps I finally have something to contribute > today after removing the transmission in my TR3A > I found the clutch fork taper pin was broken at the threads. > read up on the remedies suggested, ecch. > > I cleaned up the area, and tried to think of another way. > I got my 1/4 sheet vibrating sander, wedged the grease fitting on the > cross > shaft between the platen and the body and let it vibrate the assembly. > After about a minute or so, the pin fell out with out any other > encouragement > Bob's your Uncle! That was easy, and the beer tasted so wonderful. > > Just a suggestion next time you face the same dilemma. > > Perry Hammock > 1960 TR3A O > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tom628@verizon.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:26 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 952B5258493F for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2014 22:55:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58E6D2584BF3 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2014 04:11:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vznit170126pub.verizon.net ([unknown] [192.168.1.60]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTP id <0N7C00LQG0236O71@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 16:08:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 71.127.37.236 ([71.127.37.236]) by vznit170126 (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 16:08:27 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 16:08:27 -0500 (CDT) From: thenicholls@verizon.net To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] K&N air filters, oil, and cleaner Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Don't know if anyone on the list will see this, but I will send anyway. I have a set of used K&N Air filters, oil, and cleaner on Ebay. Item number 221463677155 . If anyone is interested (Financial interest), please contact me at "TheNicholls@Verizon.Net". Thanks, Craig 72 Triumph TR6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:26 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A6552580564 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2014 09:54:36 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm44.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm44.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.120.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F13125803B3 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2014 20:55:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] by nm44.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2014 02:26:27 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.180] by nm44.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2014 02:23:33 -0000 Received: from [66.196.81.163] by tm15.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2014 02:23:33 -0000 Received: from [66.196.81.126] by tm9.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2014 02:23:33 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1002.access.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2014 02:23:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 90209 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jun 2014 02:23:32 -0000 s=s1024; t=1403144612; bh=KPCd7XZjngBxjUM1V1Xe1TatIdt+DHKxs5AdPPAAdOc=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=NRteubtsArYmn8DLIk55o7xacDCfbQTtWMqU+dgdvTS/6CHt/uPs8fFp4pmCeKBsLZ6v/Ntb1zh7AyC7ljt87Zqgh7QuMakEnE/TJiC4WD6xpS0kXSvnZ6E807EWRe1P4pMrSKnj2p4QlAOpxrNX5xgTh7ru4fTkZsWYGIjDoL4= Ha7DLuH5tAJxuXSEVa6G_TrbibJi8ZPnbvdHQ3.1DGmn1QDUwn7XbWsNnDK2 PLJZwtCp2.F7VIGlF67UNueZxCv02qk.ZkUt6zMe5y6uT.P9OfVi._VAZg4d bqVZAReeWsEMYl5BkD027F0NHLH_dZn4wGb1JR3FIPHJDr3AS3UWreFhJfhD ssbLTC1v6vCPdIDgn8lXQxrGYt5oMUxAAp2fM1k0T7vhwbzsmjugSNHZVZfA iEicVtuI58YXdRfVcf3iL5EkHJa6HpuERAcp2dtGXEcv4cWKhBGwGxrLLRuU p5NLAVdIq3MICz3EcvlBCRLxY1O_T9yrgC6fnzx9m8E9WysqIcHF.8jnnXv3 _.csgKiOOWuMJA057PeoJXzu_LHh_4y1pgpk4yC.GAeTB1C0Zjw7eNrNwglA AndwPYry_ZDe2RalgfMrKVWZJ.GYvA8YMVP_Zzq7cHw_940SZZNxMlYMM2kG BiSbQUpIZbebnLk_Cxx9Ugbi2UBasSLhEaqiSFGxBUbs4oduld5GjP.MNKB3 vQYvQGTMV.SfuAhzsKv8OpVZxWXqtBIACAvA32C21INlPlmWkLUmcWDPfBQV RwmqBjAUbO2U_1psE0GyY3ix59zSzIYT73ro7Eoen8o9pdI183LUVH0oEycp WbFx0QWdsUmDiACNbshXaS7mdUBjx38.lNMHrqwQ- Received: from [184.48.72.249] by web180902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Jun 2014 19:23:32 PDT wqAgwqAgwqBJIGhhdmUgYSBUcml1bXBoIFJlbm93biB0aGF0IGxlYWtzIG9pbCBvdXQgdGhlIHJlYXIgc2VhbCBhdCB0aGUgcmF0ZSBvZiBhYm91dCBhIHF1YXJ0IGV2ZXJ5IDIwIG1pbGVzLiBJdCBpcyByZWFsbHkgc29tZXRoaW5nLiBJIGFtIHRoaW5raW5nIG9mIGdvaW5nIHRocm91Z2ggdGhlIGVuZ2luZSBuZXh0IHdpbnRlci4gTW9zcyBjaGFyZ2VzIGFib3V0ICQyMDAgZm9yIGEgbGlwIHR5cGUgcmVhciBzZWFsIGNvbnZlcnNpb24ga2l0LiBJIHNlZSBzb21ldGhpbmcgc2ltaWxhciBvbiBFYmF5IGZvciABMAEBAQE- Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2014 19:23:32 -0700 From: William Brewer To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] TR3 Lip Type Crank Seal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO I have a Triumph Renown that leaks oil out the rear seal at the rate of about a quart every 20 miles. It is really something. I am thinking of going through the engine next winter. Moss charges about $200 for a lip type rear seal conversion kit. I see something similar on Ebay for $99. Has anyone tried one of these? Is it the same? http://www.ebay.com/itm/151290877125?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m 1423.l2649 TIA, Bill in Tehachapi ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:26 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D1F02580455 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2014 12:58:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f181.google.com (mail-lb0-f181.google.com [209.85.217.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 281982580872 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2014 23:50:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f181.google.com with SMTP id p9so1105851lbv.40 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2014 22:50:37 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=thT29bLz0VBETbn4+yokjEPT1Jf4teioMSHSp0sMbCA=; b=UZT6GlFFkyCNqGnTVDKwJp0VKwmdOjaGzv5Sc6pcs1qcRxMpQIAPngYZRUz6fdnJVZ TLAQPzj1y0DIhTCSC9KaB8lDMP9zxhxRgCqd6XRcecTGBqOmpjWZcPzJcGjrA5b+oJ1c SlWf3UQf46hmCtUoLL1PIHwVqG8yy6OQuLWsdxnA2VWhZn4eR6Qhn60jqh/6hsa6GMoc 1zxatq9OQWHMxGFxg118PYIltk+gVoQignahhr/I3B4z9vmqGhO6ZB7f2Ty8s1qDeDXL LF/H6aY3CPl/maI1Dkg4xzVDoJbI4PEKsYHUsDnNV5XXy/Ns70mFRZNChKjy/V0K5KG/ /3tg== Wed, 18 Jun 2014 22:20:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.123.176 with HTTP; Wed, 18 Jun 2014 22:20:05 -0700 (PDT) References: <19443631.439973.1403039307084.JavaMail.root@vznit170126> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 00:20:05 -0500 From: Philip Ethier To: thenicholls@verizon.net Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] K&N air filters, oil, and cleaner Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO I saw it. On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 4:08 PM, wrote: > Don't know if anyone on the list will see this, but I will send anyway. > > > I have a set of used K&N Air filters, oil, and cleaner on Ebay. Item > number 221463677155 . > > > If anyone is interested (Financial interest), please contact me at > "TheNicholls@Verizon.Net". > > > Thanks, > > > Craig > 72 Triumph TR6 > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pethier7@gmail.com > -- pethier@comcast.net still works also Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2005 Subaru Legacy GT Limited, Regal Blue Pearl http://www.mnautox.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:27 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7210525800A4 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2014 21:42:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AECA2580386 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2014 15:31:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55004] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id D6/26-00343-0E553A35; Thu, 19 Jun 2014 21:28:01 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'Triumphs'" Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 14:28:00 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac+K0Jx41fXFDkdKThO1EJS6A/LKtgBM8Lcg Subject: Re: [TR] Brake light woes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO > I left the hydraulic switch in place (which has not failed > despite my using > DOT5) and added the above switch with a simple metal bracket in the > footwell operated by pedal arm movement. FWIW, here's a shot of my bracket & switch on the TR3. http://tinyurl.com/of5qowk Someday I'll "restore" that area and clean things up a bit, this was a quick and dirty to get the car on the road in time for TRfest 2009. > Looking at the TR3A pedal box I think that same switch might > fit into the > hole in the front lip of the box to be actuated by the upper > tip of the > pedal arm (very similar to a TR4 switch). Probably not the same switch, but I found one at FLAPS that would fit in that position on my previous TR3A. However, the TR3 has pedal stops in those holes (as original), and I didn't really like having the obviously wrong switch hanging out under the hood anyway. Hence the above setup (which is invisible unless you crawl under the dash). > Yeah, I know the usuals carry mechanical switches but I have > heard mixed > results with those (esp the white plastic version) whereas this metal > version has been used by quite a few LBC owners with success. Again FWIW, the mixed metal/plastic switch shown in the above shot lasted less than 2 years from installation. I'm currently running one of the white plastic ones from TRF, and it has been working fine since 2010. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:27 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED1B3258A705 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2014 01:53:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDA5F25800A5 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2014 23:28:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from c011358 ([unknown] [72.91.180.198]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0N7J004LKNWDEE00@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sat, 21 Jun 2014 19:26:51 -0500 (CDT) From: "Carl TR" To: Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2014 20:26:38 -0400 Thread-index: Ac+NsJN8xUIURHpVTEO8JcvysufsOQ== Content-language: en-us Subject: [TR] List up and running? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO I haven't received anything in several days. Carl 1960 Triumph TR3A - TS81802LO Tampa, FL ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:27 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A57B2584AE3 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2014 04:20:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp5.opentext.com (smtp5.opentext.com [205.211.178.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4420258485C for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2014 03:35:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from otwlxg12.opentext.net (otwlxg12.opentext.net [10.2.103.213]) by wldmzsvc05.dmz.opentext.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s5L2OEDS009820 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=OK) for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2014 22:24:14 -0400 Received: from OTWLXG20.opentext.net ([169.254.2.55]) by otwlxg12.opentext.net ([10.2.103.213]) with mapi id 14.03.0181.006; Fri, 20 Jun 2014 22:24:01 -0400 From: David Templeton To: "Triumphs@Autox Team. Net" Thread-Topic: Tr6 on Graceland Thread-Index: Ac+M99ya2WMUmSnlTdaVI8bN3LPpWQ== Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2014 02:24:00 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-tm-as-product-ver: SMEX-10.2.0.1135-7.500.1017-20770.004 x-tm-as-result: No--22.290000-8.000000-31 x-tm-as-user-approved-sender: No x-tm-as-user-blocked-sender: No Content-ID: <73AFE5222748114089673125109E2AB0@opentext.net> Subject: [TR] Tr6 on Graceland Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:27 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 587D1258A174 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2014 11:37:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC1S24.hotmail.com (blu004-omc1s24.hotmail.com [65.55.116.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78C362580442 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2014 10:30:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU168-DS18 ([65.55.116.7]) by BLU004-OMC1S24.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22712); Sun, 22 Jun 2014 09:27:32 -0700 From: Creig Houghtaling To: "'Triumphs'" Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 11:27:31 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac+ONtv5rOjZwguCQeKQb8tKrC651g== Content-Language: en-us FILETIME=[DE1D6400:01CF8E36] Subject: [TR] TR6 burning oil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO My friend's TR6 is consuming oil. In addition, the #5 spark plug fouls regularly and needs to be cleaned or replaced to run smoothly again. I am guessing these two issues might be related... The oil fouling the plug... If that is the case, what is the most likely route for the oil problem? >From the cylinder head? Or from the rings? Creig Creig Houghtlaing 314-401-7817 St. Louis Triumph Owners Association www.sltoa.org ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:27 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 452082587E79 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2014 21:19:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d09.mx.aol.com (omr-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.108.133]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC52F258051B for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2014 19:19:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mtaomg-mcc02.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mcc02.mx.aol.com [172.26.253.80]) by omr-d09.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id C144170270F94 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2014 21:12:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-dlb005b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dlb005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.180.209]) by mtaomg-mcc02.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id AA1E238000081 for ; Sun, 22 Jun 2014 21:12:33 -0400 (EDT) To: triumphs@autox.team.net From: George Haynes Received: from 72.230.239.69 by webmail-m245.sysops.aol.com (64.12.138.233) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 22 Jun 2014 21:12:33 -0400 Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 21:12:33 -0400 (EDT) s=20121107; t=1403485958; bh=mG2gIGylDPK0lz1hupGxDUvjz2VxuX3pkJA6CNucadI=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Dz2d06VvUdVItxlCIRkTQA+OodbkxWvopSARHFOlt3Z59rJNdbIssKfkJL7osCTZq LuDiDpEDLCAw//LjLhO1315+KO7BlpXkYvh4/zrMhgHbnqXqgpSd9tYp5ZgCBjXjSe HoCI1GH38zQsc1ZmC04pjqlrHpKlkWgNjLya3tMg= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1afd5053a77f01101a Subject: [TR] Exhaust Pieces Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Would John DeLuca please send me the name and address of the source for stainless TR4A exhaust pieces he purchased. Many thanks! George ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:28 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66E572580BAC for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2014 07:42:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f182.google.com (mail-ie0-f182.google.com [209.85.223.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82C662580439 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2014 04:13:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ie0-f182.google.com with SMTP id rp18so5717752iec.13 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2014 03:13:13 -0700 (PDT) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=wpKPelIIIcY8MXyD7Mp5MRd0n6JVghyHFaIgvG0wr5Q=; b=L7ZZxgIahIAT+kFRMfFfI69CVZfBEp/OVFkbjNdUoxvV4u49T7CR+fGSz31BLxN+dd cZ2iEbN17kzCFBmOM1/ByHxuxPQIW2Am8N/dzLtzZKIW0oRBK+IPoL/Dpl7oYMBgycD9 GBocwoN7HjVGqMQ8HPbKsEPdDA4DC0kvVhMIZeSrVmknUO/hmzDWWUisAz7xRACsvdIl acrXSEXuwsf1tkESHCNwMj+DLrZ3Arm2F6eHtxLXgEY+N1CzhkrkaahDECglvGlIY7e3 YB/c3YP1hyTNA9B5/vFJf6EaLYmAX8tGxIgicPPVMVKLtLB2a08AAyLIcKAsP6QJ4Mdm 85Jg== q13mr25313465igr.34.1403514906485; Mon, 23 Jun 2014 02:15:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.208.74 with HTTP; Mon, 23 Jun 2014 02:15:06 -0700 (PDT) References: Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 10:15:06 +0100 From: ADRIAN DIX-DYER To: Creig Houghtaling Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 burning oil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO In the first instance, a compression test should indicate No5 being low. If so put a small amount of oil down the plug hole and do the test on this bore again. If it rises significantly then this would confirm the piston or piston rings are at fault. IMHO if the overall compressions on all cyls are low I am afraid its a major rebuild. Adrian TR4A CT64306 O Wales UK On 22 June 2014 17:27, Creig Houghtaling wrote: > My friend's TR6 is consuming oil. In addition, the #5 spark plug fouls > regularly and needs to be cleaned or replaced to run smoothly again. I am > guessing these two issues might be related... The oil fouling the plug... > If that is the case, what is the most likely route for the oil problem? > From the cylinder head? Or from the rings? > > Creig > > Creig Houghtlaing 314-401-7817 > St. Louis Triumph Owners Association > www.sltoa.org > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dixie4.wales@virgin.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:28 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D21AF2585402 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2014 08:23:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC1S33.hotmail.com (unknown [65.55.116.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E83325805DB for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2014 05:51:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU168-DS23 ([65.55.116.7]) by BLU004-OMC1S33.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22712); Mon, 23 Jun 2014 04:50:10 -0700 From: Creig Houghtaling To: "'ADRIAN DIX-DYER'" References: Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 06:50:10 -0500 Thread-Index: AQJDhaKXChanYm2f8ZVMalv7SiN+TAGhLY2xmomdfMA= Content-Language: en-us FILETIME=[49552D00:01CF8ED9] Cc: 'Triumphs' Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 burning oil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO It has been a while since we have done a compression checkb& Thatbs a good thing to check. Thanks. From: ADRIAN DIX-DYER [mailto:dixie4.wales@virgin.net] Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 4:15 AM To: Creig Houghtaling Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 burning oil In the first instance, a compression test should indicate No5 being low. If so put a small amount of oil down the plug hole and do the test on this bore again. If it rises significantly then this would confirm the piston or piston rings are at fault. IMHO if the overall compressions on all cyls are low I am afraid its a major rebuild. Adrian TR4A CT64306 O Wales UK On 22 June 2014 17:27, Creig Houghtaling wrote: My friend's TR6 is consuming oil. In addition, the #5 spark plug fouls regularly and needs to be cleaned or replaced to run smoothly again. I am guessing these two issues might be related... The oil fouling the plug... If that is the case, what is the most likely route for the oil problem? >From the cylinder head? Or from the rings? Creig Creig Houghtlaing 314-401-7817 St. Louis Triumph Owners Association www.sltoa.org ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dixie4.wales@virgin.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:28 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94EA02585E2A for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2014 08:29:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from BLU004-OMC1S14.hotmail.com (blu004-omc1s14.hotmail.com [65.55.116.25]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33C652580043 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2014 06:19:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from BLU180-W78 ([65.55.116.9]) by BLU004-OMC1S14.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22712); Mon, 23 Jun 2014 05:05:38 -0700 From: tom white To: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 12:05:37 +0000 FILETIME=[72410700:01CF8EDB] Subject: [TR] mounting trunk lid & spare tire cover gaskets.s Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO In the past I have mounted the trunk ld gasket and spare tire cove gasket for my TR3A with adhesive. Eighteen years ago I used contact cement and the mounting was tedious and difficult. This time around I attempted to use 3M Super Strength trim adhesive. After three attempts yielding only partiel bonding results I decided to try a special plastic bonding agent I had bought for a difficult plastic bonding project. The product I used is Tech Bond. I found that I could put a few drops in the channel for the gasket and then push the gasket firmly down into the channel and get strong adhesion within second. I repaired the loose areas of the trunk lid gasket this way. Then for the spare tire cove gasket I began by cutting it to size and bonding the ends togethewr with two drops of Tech Bond. Then I placed the gasket into the channel the way it should fit and held it in place with strips of painters tape every foot or so. Then I would pull a section of the gasket out of the channel and place a few drops of Tech Bond on the gasket mounting surface. Then I would use a tongue depressor to push the gasket into the channel until it was firmly seated. I would hold the gasket in place for a few seconds and then repeat the process on another section. I had the spare tire cover gasket mounted in less than 30 minutes with no need for masking, or spraying adhesive, and no clean up. One word opf caution is do not get Teck Bond on your fingers and then touch the gasket or you will be glued to the gasket. The URL for Tech Bond is below: http://shop.tech-bond.net/Tech-Bond-Starter-Kits-for-your-repair-7001.htm Get the stater kit with the SI Blue adhesive. Also be careful about using the spray Activator as it will cause instantaneous bonding. I have no financial interest in the product. Best regards, Tom ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:28 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A72122587C28 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2014 08:30:41 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ig0-f172.google.com (mail-ig0-f172.google.com [209.85.213.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C66BA258045D for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2014 07:15:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ig0-f172.google.com with SMTP id hn18so2939489igb.11 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2014 06:15:30 -0700 (PDT) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=xLVGo1Q/xWAlZ00OCylvzQsRzqJsE7ZqhW4TUHO5Txg=; b=ZH4ABjnBG/nYn6zNQKgvZHEO16+C3BE9aC+04LpRf+8IMhbNLh6U+Oqu/ZTceYpsYY BXeJNKNqQWBXxASJEcR1PpIHqwMBO+I5YCsuSjd63OmpgLJr7FAlkQnR0uqtdNXQhRoo aOlRMKpzMg0R22UtsXD5d2MFH2CLJP5MWuttQdsSGurb92/dBAFEFVgwCF2KD95q0lKP 99wnsITlwfYNgfsHgYiOXwAOTAYtXnNGPfSUojPtyvlIj13Fgzu6jhkEf3fbX5OawPUC QyfS/LQyQrXeKt5lMgTDNH9bqCR/35wExoHhb6oRzVBXvR3drCg3f/v+xaA0ewvt++Wj sM8Q== lr1mr27066341igb.18.1403529000202; Mon, 23 Jun 2014 06:10:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.208.74 with HTTP; Mon, 23 Jun 2014 06:10:00 -0700 (PDT) References: <1403144612.23053.YahooMailNeo@web180902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 14:10:00 +0100 From: ADRIAN DIX-DYER To: William Brewer Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Lip Type Crank Seal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO I would take a look at the www.tr4_racing.com web site. It contains details of a far better set up which retains the scroll, (a belt and braces set up.) The US agent is Joe Alexander, he is on the list. Adrian TR4A CT64306 O Wales UK On 19 June 2014 03:23, William Brewer wrote: > I have a Triumph Renown that leaks oil out the rear seal at the rate > of > about a quart every 20 miles. It is really something. I am thinking of > going > through the engine next winter. Moss charges about $200 for a lip type rear > seal conversion kit. I see something similar on Ebay for $99. Has anyone > tried > one of these? Is it the same? > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/151290877125?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m > 1423.l2649 > > > TIA, > > Bill in Tehachapi > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dixie4.wales@virgin.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:28 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C5392588192 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2014 08:31:17 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.230]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 619892580688 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2014 07:34:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55000] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id F7/9E-00343-9E928A35; Mon, 23 Jun 2014 13:21:45 +0000 From: "Randall" To: "'William Brewer'" , "'Triumphs'" Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 06:21:41 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac+O3x1zM4CkEK6XSpK0Ej8XAxswdwABQcOQ Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Lip Type Crank Seal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO > Moss charges about $200 for a > lip type rear > seal conversion kit. I see something similar on Ebay for $99. > Has anyone tried > one of these? Is it the same? My suggestion would be to stay far, far away from the conversion that requires the scroll to be ground off. Numerous people have reported that the result leaked worse than the original (which can be made to work quite well if you use the updated mandrel dimensions instead of those shown in the manuals). One of our local club members had to have the crank replaced after a mistake was discovered in the instructions. (The instructions I got had been changed by hand twice!) If you want a lip type seal, the 'Viton' conversion offered (only) by TRF and ARE is much better, IMO. It doesn't require the scroll to be ground off, and actually keeps the scroll seal functional; adding the lip seal as a secondary seal. The only suggested crank mod is to polish the area between the scroll and flange. Note that the kit includes a mandrel made to the corrected dimensions. (I've heard reports that the one sold by Moss is wrong.) http://tinyurl.com/pfmoqw2 Honestly, though, a quart every 20 miles seems extreme. Are you certain it is the rear main seal and not one of the plugs on the block and/or head? Is the oil level correct? Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:28 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B548D2588846 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2014 08:32:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from na01-by2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-by2lp0244.outbound.protection.outlook.com [207.46.163.244]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 121732584D04 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2014 07:53:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from DM2PR01MB495.prod.exchangelabs.com (10.141.88.23) by DM2PR01MB495.prod.exchangelabs.com (10.141.88.23) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.954.9; Mon, 23 Jun 2014 13:31:55 +0000 Received: from DM2PR01MB495.prod.exchangelabs.com ([10.141.88.23]) by DM2PR01MB495.prod.exchangelabs.com ([10.141.88.23]) with mapi id 15.00.0954.000; Mon, 23 Jun 2014 13:31:55 +0000 From: "Foster, Stan (HP IT)" To: "cfmtr3a@verizon.net" , "triumphs@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [TR] List up and running? Thread-Index: Ac+NsJN8xUIURHpVTEO8JcvysufsOQBNo1DQ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 13:31:54 +0000 References: <000001cf8db0$a20a2c90$e61e85b0$@verizon.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [98.118.112.65] x-microsoft-antispam: BL:0; ACTION:Default; RISK:Low; SCL:0; SPMLVL:NotSpam; PCL:0; RULEID: x-forefront-prvs: 025100C802 x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(6009001)(428001)(189002)(199002)(13464003)(377454003)(50986999)(15202345003)(79102001)(77982001)(74316001)(74662001)(85306003)(21056001)(99396002)(83322001)(80022001)(105586002)(64706001)(76176999)(54356999)(74502001)(85852003)(19580405001)(19580395003)(101416001)(81542001)(95666004)(4396001)(92566001)(81342001)(87936001)(76482001)(20776003)(15975445006)(31966008)(106356001)(66066001)(86362001)(2656002)(33646001)(46102001)(83072002)(106276001); DIR:OUT; SFP:; SCL:1; SRVR:DM2PR01MB495; H:DM2PR01MB495.prod.exchangelabs.com; FPR:; MLV:sfv; PTR:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; A:1; LANG:en; received-spf: None (: hp.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) authentication-results: spf=none (sender IP is ) smtp.mailfrom=stan.foster@hp.com; Subject: Re: [TR] List up and running? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO DMARC has totally f'ed up mailing lists. We are using the Mailman utility as part of the VTR hosted service offered to affiliates for our club mailing lists and it is a mess. This may be the last straw before we just give up and move everything to Facebook. Stan -----Original Message----- From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Carl TR Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2014 8:27 PM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] List up and running? I haven't received anything in several days. Carl 1960 Triumph TR3A - TS81802LO Tampa, FL ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/stan.foster@hp.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:28 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69ED22588FA6 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2014 10:00:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f179.google.com (unknown [209.85.128.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B63EF25808EF for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2014 09:56:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f179.google.com with SMTP id sa20so6302526veb.24 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2014 08:55:51 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Rd2LXFnVfXCjRYm/o6l//fO7Qi+EAUL9H4zi7qr81bQ=; b=xP6wk9+t4SgoMISMIXsIpXVO7HWIfAMhMSZSf4zscSY+vGd8iJlb/tzIdElPe6PcA2 Q0h0oXFrtNMFYOMdQw0bdIuILX8QsHGojqDPPycpLxp4E1XPGdbg6XQDrnFapPpbXHC6 hGT5mrpNnPxaaSnmk4OYEMcRCQT671VRPrLpuQ4roDri3aG+H5woL9ccYe6G9LkFnjNA pGqe32izgj9H1d8J/3juGFF/kLiANJZ1/KncUgye7TpSrN8T/+/nsG7KmodjH8rzVA+J tvajXnBuZiZs82cN8H+JTnZwT4DVxgIM1cxx0d5iEC+8+zUWB3Eiu4OR9JbRva6LrXMV ypaw== mp11mr20046757vcb.2.1403538951210; Mon, 23 Jun 2014 08:55:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.231.132 with HTTP; Mon, 23 Jun 2014 08:55:51 -0700 (PDT) References: <1403144612.23053.YahooMailNeo@web180902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 08:55:51 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: William Brewer Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Lip Type Crank Seal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Bill - I have not done this but would be wary of the kits (Moss & ebay) that require grinding the crank. Some find this works out well for them but I recall some who had problems & the 'fix' is irreversible. Instead, I believe there is an alternative that does not modify the crank or (of course) the original style seal can be renewed. Okay, a search turns up this: http://www.the-vintage-racer.com/index.php/categoryhome/engine-components/product/53-vsk-t34 Geo On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 7:23 PM, William Brewer wrote: > I have a Triumph Renown that leaks oil out the rear seal at the rate > of > about a quart every 20 miles. It is really something. I am thinking of > going > through the engine next winter. Moss charges about $200 for a lip type rear > seal conversion kit. I see something similar on Ebay for $99. Has anyone > tried > one of these? Is it the same? > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/151290877125?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m > 1423.l2649 > > > TIA, > > Bill in Tehachapi > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:28 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BF4225884CB for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2014 15:37:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f170.google.com (unknown [209.85.216.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CC8225803B2 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2014 13:26:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-qc0-f170.google.com with SMTP id l6so6620107qcy.29 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2014 12:26:13 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=JOu0LueBFw8pe+/sWNqGlZ074xdoBsBG7Uy7UGbtdbE=; b=q9HiWQKlgT0NLUSd4JuLA0B2aFKJGoqbWtyEG35MYP8KxfDNIo+rOq8zlFYP/lKyuB enkANttx6DJ5kEuIImxKgsoyYVma1SevLMSPYOYQcBTj0vF7Vuy2HES0cSjsoAvS8OlD FtgHB83CtnUKr2ugXYzrv3XtmYi4ooOWiStjpnIKrtWQCK40m8pgct+/Ip1ymMGPKNAz kRad2We5ct8JVAUJOvpOzRstRPNQpni0XLCEKchRStE8e+ArOlcGSEExgD0QD0dUWd9/ Z7czNimAnmT2HNLiVUcmYw0soVNFbrPeyNrMDJr8HhVnMe/io8oazuwvclWUWGlwBF75 2z1A== b2mr33815737qcf.0.1403541417331; Mon, 23 Jun 2014 09:36:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.39.138 with HTTP; Mon, 23 Jun 2014 09:36:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Hiscock Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 11:36:37 -0500 To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Standard-Triumph Marque Day at Brooklands over the weekend Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO The Standard Triumph Marque Day was held at Brooklands yesterday (June 22, 2014). http://www.standardmotorclub.org.uk/standard-triumph-marque-day.html Looks like it would have been fun to attend. That Dolomite tribute car would have been especially interesting. Lotsa pix here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/philip-smith/sets/72157645307413014/ ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:28 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B700258A061 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2014 21:59:16 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 157182580429 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2014 19:10:23 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge01 smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [107.14.174.248] ([107.14.174.248:48186] helo=cdptpa-web05) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id 25/97-03739-E3CC8A35; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 00:54:22 +0000 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 0:54:22 +0000 From: Randall To: Creig Houghtaling Sensitivity: Normal 2014 0:54:22 +0000 Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 burning oil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO > > My friend's TR6 is consuming oil. In addition, the #5 spark plug fouls > > regularly and needs to be cleaned or replaced to run smoothly again. I am > > guessing these two issues might be related... The oil fouling the plug... > > If that is the case, what is the most likely route for the oil problem? > > From the cylinder head? Or from the rings? Unfortunately, the most likely explanation IMO is damage to the cylinder wall or piston. Might be just a broken ring, or badly worn valve guide, though. Rather than mess with a compression test (which can sometimes be misleading), I would go ahead and pull the head to check the valve. Your friend knows he has a problem, and he will need to pull the head anyway, even if the problem is rings/piston/cylinder wall. And it's worth checking the valves when the head is off even if they aren't the primary problem. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:28 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DE1A2584895 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2014 23:40:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo101.cox.net (fed1rmfepo101.cox.net [68.230.241.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D79025803B6 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2014 23:30:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo306 ([68.230.241.174]) by fed1rmfepo101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.15 201-2260-151-145-20131218) with ESMTP id <20140623133054.UIBW29651.fed1rmfepo101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo306> for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2014 09:30:54 -0400 Received: from PBR2 ([70.180.186.33]) by fed1rmimpo306 with cox id HpWu1o0030jfpza01pWuNc; Mon, 23 Jun 2014 09:30:54 -0400 a=l7qAr4pkrT3R/UNpXqjcTg==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=rIkwzfK9AAAA:8 a=SR_GcBH5EfefvB74grMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=rzSo3inbiVIA:10 a=DxFAkPg_4OIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=sn459AbujtUA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=wCykb6FAS4IXtbpO:21 a=huDI8yKclKzt6vL8:21 a=l7qAr4pkrT3R/UNpXqjcTg==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) smtp.auth=jpaynepbr@cox.net From: "Jonas Payne" To: "'Creig Houghtaling'" , "'Triumphs'" References: Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 06:30:54 -0700 Thread-Index: AQI6wXInlcdrdhyZ88shtiB49zMOOZqoSyyw Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 burning oil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Do a leak down test on it to determine whether it's the rings or the valves. Mine was burning lots of oil too - it was the rings and the valve guides. The oil scraper rings were seriously stuck in what appeared to be a carbon-concrete. Jonas Payne PBR Consulting Services, LLC 702.882.6711 -----Original Message----- From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Creig Houghtaling Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 9:28 AM To: 'Triumphs' Subject: [TR] TR6 burning oil My friend's TR6 is consuming oil. In addition, the #5 spark plug fouls regularly and needs to be cleaned or replaced to run smoothly again. I am guessing these two issues might be related... The oil fouling the plug... If that is the case, what is the most likely route for the oil problem? >From the cylinder head? Or from the rings? Creig Creig Houghtlaing 314-401-7817 St. Louis Triumph Owners Association www.sltoa.org ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jpaynepbr@cox.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:28 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4228F258AB3C for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2014 16:25:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa11-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa11-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.106]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B9EE258A6DE for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2014 16:16:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 370Z ([76.184.172.222]) by p3plsmtpa11-05.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id K9Cd1o00G4oFfFQ019CeNL; Thu, 26 Jun 2014 14:12:38 -0700 From: "dave n" To: Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2014 16:12:27 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR3 interior (not tr3a) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO anyone who has a more or less correct tr3 b would you mind contacting me offline? I need some interior photos. thanks dave@ranteer.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:28 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B2BC258AC69 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2014 18:18:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-queue02.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5354725847B8 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2014 18:17:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com ([107.14.174.243]) by cdptpa-queue03.email.rr.com (InterMail vM.8.04.01.13 201-2343-100-167-20131028) with ESMTP id <20140626064839.GHWL30980.cdptpa-queue03.email.rr.com@cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com> for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2014 06:48:39 +0000 Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55011] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge01 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id CC/8F-03739-C5E28A35; Mon, 23 Jun 2014 13:40:44 +0000 From: "Randall" To: Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 06:40:39 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac+JdxHQHyq5Z0vnQ7ebPe6yyRg/cAFcQVRQ Subject: Re: [TR] Price of B. Piggott's Original TR2,3? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO > But $625 for Piggott's book probably isn't enough to justify > anything illegal, > it's more likely someone just trying to test the market. Agree. I believe it was PT Barnum that said there is one born every minute. And there seem to be several book sellers that speculate in this type of book, waiting for someone to come along that just has to have one, no matter the price. Someone asked for a link: http://tinyurl.com/kdedfy6 Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:29 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E8BC2584A74 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2014 10:40:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f46.google.com (mail-wg0-f46.google.com [74.125.82.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 847362580575 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2014 10:40:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f46.google.com with SMTP id y10so5510962wgg.29 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2014 09:40:14 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type; bh=qAXoX84LIoloBqLGSgnNn7EGbGszH2aauahfjDzD5dA=; b=N80yNeBoBeSXKRzWrw920SBLrk+fmQvAdIAmjy5WaFexA11XSjEdmd5vXsX5kuw9Eb 7PlvmM2epFbtMpSooGnEVeA9lKYfwbVxDEZdeaAvEPnxibLbD1y7c0c1sn0soNNtxtY9 ZPYYMnJMWV4H57DwqqmRuCC9H6B+mO1hOux6hPY8VlJI55xUQpLlBVU/omo4vinqDyuw zwCNkSlTEWPimymlV8Z7f4ppaMIjAyKnsmKgsAjuwhrtZoKa8nZakiPaccpvV/X/9cLW eHGNtH29qWvcZgXljPMgVyZyPaLMO3VMOdKoPhmeYFF5DE0iCVCY7UDZQ0+5dMIC7Gw4 gDww== bu13mr8600913wjb.92.1403689933104; Wed, 25 Jun 2014 02:52:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from AlexPC ([212.3.188.111]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id fn1sm10480132wib.18.2014.06.25.02.52.10 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 25 Jun 2014 02:52:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "Italyfound" To: "*Triumphs List" Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 11:51:26 +0200 Subject: [TR] Test Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Is this server down? Email being rejected... Alex Manzo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:29 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAFDF2586F87 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2014 11:43:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.109]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 241802580351; Fri, 27 Jun 2014 11:35:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Home ([70.194.5.11]) by p3plsmtpa08-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id KVbs1o00K0EG8ZA01Vc08y; Fri, 27 Jun 2014 10:36:01 -0700 From: "Andrew Uprichard" To: Cc: Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 13:36:10 -0400 Thread-Index: Ac+SLEdCIhjHUBTSSEuqndbwRnCtdg== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] Old British cars Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO List: I was approached earlier this week by a guy who said there were 70 old British and European cars in a series of barns about an hour from my house in Michigan. Apparently the old guy had died and the family wanted them out of there. As often happens, the story wasn't quite right: the number was more like 20, and the was a mixture of British, European and US cars. The only TR was a TR7 which looked to be in good condition. There were two Jaguars, both 4-door sedans, one with a British "F" registration (1967) and the other looked to be much earlier. Both had new interiors and minimal rust. There was also a Rover which I would guess was from the 40s or 50s. The only car which interested me was an Austin-Healey 3000 which I made an offer on. The family asked me to see if I could help them sell the cars as no-one is interested in eBay or Craigslist at this point. I realize this is a Triumph list, but if anyone is interested or knows someone who might be, I took lots of pictures and can be contacted off-list. Mark: if you want to forward this to any other lists, please do so. Since I am having some difficulties with this list (especially when I post), could someone let me know if this message does make it out to the rest of you? Thanks! Andrew Uprichard ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:29 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CE5225807AA for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2014 22:47:45 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-wg0-f48.google.com (mail-wg0-f48.google.com [74.125.82.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 982AD2580032 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2014 22:47:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f48.google.com with SMTP id n12so5964665wgh.31 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2014 21:47:45 -0700 (PDT) h=message-id:from:to:cc:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=1RehJNZFpYxLL9vFD3Dj3O5zjL6Dtlrc9kIaHt4nIc0=; b=SEhMgHOPrPyNR+hIyU1AjwOBe0efiyHs64+1LoZznnxzwaEoFdncEtNiIqOGwEY6u4 gogTmeooliKP9RiDOfelSyPDnVFKIJ08XDHSQJeY09lIN7BbeB/HE8SRInfO5cINuvGq gWZq/jxiSRsZbXQon3YfcjLvjvPeKit7ujanCUaD92cDB8QePz38EonMT/4Tm+AU8KRy LFhRIAephmyfbEfX5NZsu1M7fYkMPtlOI5vZwsMypyU4TcmoEJgm//VkHjgs0ihpXW0r 6PcYxel7ySHzDvQj/dx46rj9A/Da7C7HRB28ktsVomPC6RLBZgrBIGS304te/qSc4KN9 JPMA== cl19mr17295280wjb.29.1403783030559; Thu, 26 Jun 2014 04:43:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from AlexPC ([212.3.188.111]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ww4sm13969172wjc.4.2014.06.26.04.43.47 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 26 Jun 2014 04:43:49 -0700 (PDT) From: "Italyfound" To: "Triumph" References: <3BFE883C863649CBBA3095627336E086@home2b99dc0107> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2014 13:42:53 +0200 Cc: *Triumphs List Subject: Re: [TR] Price of B. Piggott's Original TR2,3? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Stealing this thread to ask if the Triumph server is down.... ....emails are bouncing back..... Alex Manzo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Triumph" To: "Triumphs Email List" Sent: Monday, June 16, 2014 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [TR] Price of B. Piggott's Original TR2,3? >I just typed "Original Triumph TR2/3/3A" in Google and the first listing >was from Amazon. They show 11 used from $299.95 and 4 new from $614.48 so >there is something going on. Other sites seem to support this high price >also. > > Bob Maassel > Fort Wayne, IN > 1959 TR3A > tr3abobm77@frontier.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Don Hiscock > Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2014 8:49 AM > To: davewillner > Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [TR] Price of B. Piggott's Original TR2,3? > > Tell me when one sells for that price, and then I'll be impressed. It > takes nothing to ask a crazy amount. > > Do you have a link to the listing? I can't find it... > > Don > > On 6/13/14, davewillner wrote: >> I was looking for some TR3 items in the UK on eBay and I came across a >> used >> copy of Bill Piggott's "Original TR2/3/3A" offered at $625.00. Can't >> believe >> it, how's that possible? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:29 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B2712580032 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2014 00:14:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.225]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED1A52580032 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2014 00:14:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [108.167.8.138] ([108.167.8.138:51437] helo=livingroompc) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 90/D4-24101-83D5EA35; Sat, 28 Jun 2014 06:14:17 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: "Randall" , References: Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 01:14:15 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] Price of B. Piggott's Original TR2,3? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO I can't remember if this particular book was on e-bay or not, I think this topic started what, in April? Anyway, e-bays switch to policies that basically make it free to list but you pay them (and paypal) a bunch when things actually sell, and the general big return on investment (so to speak) that you can get for exposure vs. advertising price has encouraged this type of thing. While I agree that everybody has a right to ask as much as they want for things, I sort of get tired of wading through all the same old ads by the same old vendors that list them over and over again, like the guys in Florida who seem to think every old grungy British car part they come across is rare and valuable and list at about 3-5x market. But since it costs little or nothing to advertise and hope springs eternal, things with crazy prices seem to be popping up more and more often, there is a 70s Spitfire on Ebay for $14000 asking price, the description notes a problem with the shift linkage, nothing against Spits, but if I were paying that kind of money for one I would expect it to be low miles, everything in perfect running order, formerly owned by Elvis, and hell even then it is still a 70s Spitfire. Old man insomniac rant off. Regards, Greg Lemon -------------------------------------------------- From: "Randall" Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 8:40 AM To: Subject: Re: [TR] Price of B. Piggott's Original TR2,3? >> But $625 for Piggott's book probably isn't enough to justify >> anything illegal, >> it's more likely someone just trying to test the market. > > Agree. I believe it was PT Barnum that said there is one born every > minute. And there seem to be several book sellers that > speculate in this type of book, waiting for someone to come along that > just has to have one, no matter the price. > > Someone asked for a link: > http://tinyurl.com/kdedfy6 > > Randall > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/glemon@neb.rr.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:29 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36A0C2580342 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2014 01:24:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ig0-f179.google.com (mail-ig0-f179.google.com [209.85.213.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6402625800A4 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2014 01:24:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ig0-f179.google.com with SMTP id uq10so2730041igb.6 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2014 00:24:16 -0700 (PDT) h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :thread-index:content-language; bh=YnoGnWLs2WzU+bEgL94D4EwWLmUUbAqrHwV196HUzY4=; b=VhworHR6dFixcHHCRfDE+PXYkbIfoZpZ5/QAKi3kJMdaEJHjU+nTvuNQHao29DDu9s XyYU7QW66teSQf9/x4EOVnDackaZi8eTETl0LLNT2qbof9zaFeSiivz48PB6Ym0Zlasg GCwem13AN7ekok7sKWRgPIWxR1eU19q/Pl17BjBB9Kvl0qzqJTTWDfIxRLWAj8x+OxEU iBFaEI8r2wz0iVW1rJuRnzwgC7BJM+7FxXi/mM3+7seMPGaw6ZSbASXRr5MxrKpx7EHV 7Gu2i4kPkZzarIiEDdAUuHmyMcdG2GPWHuWoNeUW/zo7BsuAKQMLAAJhRGnUjWTRdVMj 5WDQ== lq9mr12097992igb.13.1403724858434; Wed, 25 Jun 2014 12:34:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Home (c-98-223-25-190.hsd1.in.comcast.net. [98.223.25.190]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id f9sm9315838igc.15.2014.06.25.12.34.16 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 25 Jun 2014 12:34:17 -0700 (PDT) From: "Will Daehler" To: Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 15:34:15 -0400 thread-index: Ac+Qq1tTpRjqKt95R0CV9VHoXN4G7A== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [TR] TR4 Back on the Road and Running Sweet Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO I did a lot of work on the front end over the winter. I replaced the brake calipers and pads, brake hoses, the rotors, the wheel bearings, the tie rods, the A-arm bushings, and the ball joints. It really paid off, the new parts coupled with last year's anti-sway bar installation, finally tightened the car up so that corners nicely. Then there was a feeling of real drag on all the wheels, and after a joy ride or two, the brake shoes and calipers were smoking hot. With a little investigation in the Archives, I found that there was a primitive device in the brake line's 5 way connection called a restrictor valve. The recommendation was to remove the guts and I did. Problem solved, the brake pedal travelled just a little bit longer, but top speed in my car jumped from 72 mph to 88 mph! After that last speed run my car wouldn't even start the next day. I fiddled around a bit, cleaned the rotor and re-gapped the points but it was definitely time to do the tune up, postponed since I bought the car in 2005. The postponement was out of fear of failure, but now since I had won the V-21a Snap on tools valve clearance adjuster on eBay, I was clearly enabled. I replaced the points, the condenser, sparkplugs, distributor cap, the wires, and the coil. I pulled off the valve cover, and gapped the clearances on the rocker arms using my new found tool. Voila, I was running again, it did start right up and ran like stink. This weekend I might experiment with the timing of the distributor, maybe play with the vacuum advance, and the finer adjustments of the carburetor tuning. I think there are few more horses trapped inside that need to be freed! Will Daehler 63 TR4 HVDA 5 speed ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:30 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 973A325807CE for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2014 09:51:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa07-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa07-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.230]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45FDB2580793 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2014 09:51:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 370Z ([76.184.172.222]) by p3plsmtpa07-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id KrrS1o01P4oFfFQ01rrTVi; Sat, 28 Jun 2014 08:51:27 -0700 From: "dave n" To: Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 10:46:13 -0500 Subject: [TR] Fw: TR3 interior (not tr3a) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO somehow the mail server stuck in a "b" where it didn't belong. just to clarify, I am looking for help on a 57 tr3 smallmouth. I apologize for this. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:30 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 715D625807E8 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2014 09:55:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm1-vm7.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm1-vm7.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6217B2580793 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2014 09:54:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [216.39.60.167] by nm1.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2014 15:54:50 -0000 Received: from [98.138.104.99] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2014 15:54:50 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp119.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2014 15:54:50 -0000 s=s1024; t=1403970890; bh=lxI4hkGi7x5KdZPXSKjInwzQdP9+b62EEDV+JHmx3vY=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=q/Snjs3XOIGI8ETK15bosfrBtEIcTfMpy14MphsREfKfZ0y9bTQK0YaunwZaS3zXq81MwFMgyd66Pfd42aykmCDjuTRUncvVtneEfUA84dNm0f96dtknDSiuYW8t1ZxK4fdvnJZU4IMwam3Gb4VXR7AlLxt0AXGmd2bHu2RWAfU= 0vwQdYgjx4IBtl8d5zFa75_9qwcdxdXrUAeM1lT5Ne6VfA9TG2d1zzmnJUaK nIU2b_VkBtGEd89Nq41W.0BcctQ4hUuwwMVKw297fzuGkVhd5aOJvUTHN82n PIv1u9fbiFm4uathTxL7uZe8ZBRKGzyCn2LPfFEJbg64OxXnpn1r2pN4hGPi A1EOvJtgNZR3oLpRrdcHKEtzuQCs5FpGHlCYWHkSXMTsVcQ8gmQq.vzrHqPJ X4DaNppAiODhfOHLPEr4dTFajL3c85Uw.dq_3jkVdM.xg1TcQpCeqkJlf8vI lfTFM0b1xDjOgHViu.Fl1PqeRwwBy4ZOQOLrW5HCby1s7W6I1BRX5dyBOBN2 szAfIFva5yB1I9np.powtJOUJ5L1F8V0QVsI7G2nihstlT7VnKCbq7agYGNk q9oyucfZRFFVSFSgNaGgaWtAw.f0UiJH0lMbfUwuUyjpJOkHNQ0Zd_pXgsDp NgjM2wOCbgv_OhMOL4Md_6slqug9IH3.YHJlSRw6Bhzq_l36OAHcoo34S0z7 8cUSh7N0lpi3Zq57m3EQHpXUWTk5bNfnG.mEQ [98.138.31.74]) by smtp119.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2014 15:54:50 +0000 UTC References: <2C0FC4365BA4421B9921211A8C9C88AB@Ranteer.local> From: Wbeech Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 10:54:49 -0500 To: dave n Cc: "" Subject: Re: [TR] Fw: TR3 interior (not tr3a) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO What kind if help Dave? Sent from mobile Bill On Jun 28, 2014, at 10:46 AM, "dave n" wrote: somehow the mail server stuck in a "b" where it didn't belong. just to clarify, I am looking for help on a 57 tr3 smallmouth. I apologize for this. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:30 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5B8625807C3 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2014 09:58:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from nm15-vm3.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm15-vm3.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.34]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54E5E25805BF for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2014 09:58:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [66.196.81.161] by nm15.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2014 15:58:14 -0000 Received: from [98.139.244.50] by tm7.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2014 15:58:14 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp112.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2014 15:58:14 -0000 s=s1024; t=1403971094; bh=W6dLjvsMX23AYtBKGzoB7YS8gjFEJIRjazCkPxC3zqI=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:X-Mailer:From:Subject:Date:To; b=ir1dsT04nYyWUX+VXVM3IxbYqz3bGvh4gGo6mx62k6TvwW42sSyhCt5VFz0jIILIbA40OLlYdA2y3PLZw4bWGzP84U+6ydGaH3XbjeiPbL3uJSMJJJEJTHottPsROC/unibGom4PW7i28vTL6pJ+O/Yc1Vq/+iZ8ZgJyxk/uQkE= 6FhpcB4sgcHpML0HQ8xe0xsYuo2n9LWeaGJEobPU4HvTazKYFAzqCXC3Udlv lpZTD9AOEGQeT.hN7_16V3YPwLIORgV8zIa54a.z4YO6zinaSHViqM5HVgpm 5N6WDehBsD2JdTSeMcFu_.lNkg6gShrne8DOAHLza8q8vWPwceFAOJdhS4wg S4qqjYMWGqknudpmtH.LDp1oSx3ukrGPLu6KthUiuEGdBj0o7kas7At6cQdl Lf6HJjKHrpWm4XdfIck3ZajmszhNUiayNvvlBN2ErqFHWuBHZABykz9azIZv zyQLZTe.iBHQdhgGgF6gzZGpqMqn2vd2wMHjE4cTVB04zYyyu2qzMRR4jPen ei.fvCr6UdeykKUbTEnSkWl.JsoLClAzbs5VBSZD8cGG3PadX8ZWHx9Zr.M1 S0YpLJXXDOFz2Crp3LEJWxA7f9CkUXQihQacnfpOwJ.Ps2GI5sPk2QebRu_W hm7xQe702TrwrguYjm8FEo3ijQAAawdFROtgXQuEVLbX80aPhL4vOaRvH6x. 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Alex Manzo ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:30 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BD512580804 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2014 10:01:31 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 382EE25805BF for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2014 10:01:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.87]) by qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Krmr1o0031swQuc57s1CB0; Sat, 28 Jun 2014 16:01:12 +0000 Received: from sz0059.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.137]) by omta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Ks1C1o00W2xV5no3bs1Cum; Sat, 28 Jun 2014 16:01:12 +0000 Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 16:01:12 +0000 (UTC) From: terryrs@comcast.net To: triumphs s=q20140121; t=1403971272; bh=/kFXVsG2yQlzpdqfcFEijwpRR8Jr8aQFUGiofia1cP4=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=CEzM6V4OpsBzNfT6EJBB6WN7K5NbJWtDH6uDZFjTO9mkYXfCbdau3G7r054hCIzMF UXfXJLUZOltT4Sb3NDEILse85Qn2qAhunzANbSmDzOa7V/+S+fz33kprZR1q+4Pe/5 sqtRznlpPZb9/ZkO3/TY50GUBM540DI/Q99jaw3/Ht7GQURk8X8CFqEQF/oIwKS4CC yziB11P3dgR/G1vFCfKrCNvUkpzCtt52mIvmdOFOE9xXa+WWAdTF1XVM151xU+ympS KNm6/BVlqIzgZz6bvbFKKwvknnWG0vJJ2nCRjihfDnw1o47wY4oVW+wEfMvzCx6w6/ gkeLqJmadtqjw== Subject: [TR] lifters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Rather than buy new aftermarket lifters that are infamous for being too soft, I had my old ones ground at $4.00 each. I think he ground the surface flat. Talking with Oregon Cams in Washington, where I sent my cam for a stock grind, he mentioned he does lifters too and even puts the little ball on the surface...meaning I guess the surface that mates with the came is not supposed to be just flat. That make sense to anyone? And if so, Is a flat lifter that bad? By the way, Mark, congratulations on what appears to be a successful resurrection of the List! Terry Smith, '59 TR3A TS 58667 New Hampshire ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:30 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC16425807EE for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2014 10:13:04 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.211]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A3812580715 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2014 10:12:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from omta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.51]) by QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Kqez1o00316LCl05BsD4KC; Sat, 28 Jun 2014 16:13:04 +0000 Received: from sz0059.wc.mail.comcast.net ([68.87.26.137]) by omta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id KsD41o00H2xV5no3SsD4pG; Sat, 28 Jun 2014 16:13:04 +0000 Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 16:13:04 +0000 (UTC) From: terryrs@comcast.net To: triumphs s=q20140121; t=1403971984; bh=lf/X9TokM8c4E8DbYWypD0bulz20tl+NRyOSqWqtNO0=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=pjd3jviR7+j2nSn+lGj4HvsPTILM58kQdPA/qMQZHc06Qvrukvw0UuyUVfVT8Z9+l xBagkTnTVOmmYGmztFy/MMWCz7DnRWgHXlczIp+g40gnIv6EPt5ekY/1JHLet4rbP2 EzNCL8rrPTfBVPvBmerU3a+ezCNaUhF50Brsm62ztI6epHFJQ+xzBcdcYp6Ij8SmdT liqFLzJocoKfqhMsFlKLfhApfIc9SLJfiWCiOo8SGf8dX04oQhyDkykWbsFasjoIaV vbV9QVO2n9NyBP0ywX+yDgEv3G1o0PIHH4LiBnsLnFb/7tfw3oVzp1GVsUPR5dHrEr L3sSMww/sve2g== Subject: [TR] Colortune Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Years ago I bought a Colortune kit to empiricize adjustment of carburetor richness. Finally got around to using it as protection for a recent rebuild. Numbers 3 and 4 were firing bright yellow, which makes sense given the black ends to the spark plugs. Adjusted to about the color of a gas stove. Astonishing. Terry Smith, '59 TR3A TS 58667 New Hampshire ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:30 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A682025807BE for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2014 11:01:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f173.google.com (mail-ve0-f173.google.com [209.85.128.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03826258079B for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2014 11:01:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f173.google.com with SMTP id db11so6685098veb.18 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2014 10:01:24 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=UcuoI8hTax77cx7agraiKy3PLUfFW89OGyCcPzirPVA=; b=m0BIfHmvK4OSDKh/pZqHCWrA65hMdMCT21MjMONHTeyE3ZlCk3iPQ0vZQ8XMfym2Dj YcwkdMl0Mmsd/FFLwDtRQx6uht+9T4yBxh3EZHozPzhuTPO9CDVTBp9Po5t/wMhqFeqa yyX/6J1OYDMLvbDFjRrirmAZKxzHA1K/FkeD01lexs4COUSPyfIWeck1R0YsI6ZT44Hr kJJClmXXi8zdUg+NCnrFDJ9wtLu8/6caoxMQuAZ7pu6iichUe6hgC87oNtsbpJlt25Rh AuUYrr0xJWGtJanc4PvjRsZBX4hOTig0MhOaPGPpW9DxhL/VbASnjIBgkWr3aBVkEsa0 32cg== ym18mr22831492vdc.8.1403974884365; Sat, 28 Jun 2014 10:01:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.165.110 with HTTP; Sat, 28 Jun 2014 10:01:24 -0700 (PDT) References: <0386EEB5-6DC0-4C31-BE28-F343494F01A6@flash.net> <361498245.376315.1403971272384.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 10:01:24 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: terryrs@comcast.net Cc: triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] lifters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO No expert, but my recollection is that the slight crown causes the lifter to rotate -- a good thing. Geo On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 9:01 AM, wrote: > Rather than buy new aftermarket lifters that are infamous for being too > soft, I had my old ones ground at $4.00 each. I think he ground the > surface flat. > Talking with Oregon Cams in Washington, where I sent my cam for a stock > grind, he mentioned he does lifters too and even puts the little ball on > the surface...meaning I guess the surface that mates with the came is not > supposed to be just flat. > > That make sense to anyone? And if so, Is a flat lifter that bad? > > By the way, Mark, congratulations on what appears to be a successful > resurrection of the List! > > Terry Smith, '59 TR3A TS 58667 > New Hampshire > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:30 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 549742580542 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2014 11:09:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f179.google.com (mail-ve0-f179.google.com [209.85.128.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A34492580542 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2014 11:09:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ve0-f179.google.com with SMTP id sa20so6606235veb.24 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2014 10:09:21 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=pmn1zSNRcmGj2HvlAOjucs685Y76rkckP77bqOn3thg=; b=sj6lOfODwBlngq+zlYYbTMO82K8fM3f9hhZRqBnNNXKPcZ3C01jT70JWxUVEAIX41M YiNMluOR+c3hZZipQ8CPgRLbXDrnwGhkyOvJ2JqjHA0JybJgMMBO+hCYEkqpZ52BjQbB jN3+wGWj3TzdSD4EaNfQi0zlhOYMQP1+BHq9EX21A+1tTfIuirThdupoE7nILM/lP44l b4rwsyk1jljsDcdbEVs3tjk1v6FJU1GZvXrhdhNJhgv6HPSLcjJvN5HGwl5hA3B5HP4o g/pJzsG2Xcg9quzXiZk3a66WE9DLy3d3UyaHdW94A0tttA6rYymXyP2uNfBZJ6H8jzwN BkSw== e10mr1512283vci.63.1403975360941; Sat, 28 Jun 2014 10:09:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.165.110 with HTTP; Sat, 28 Jun 2014 10:09:20 -0700 (PDT) References: <361498245.376315.1403971272384.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <1512257538.376389.1403971984764.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 10:09:20 -0700 From: Geo Hahn To: terryrs@comcast.net Cc: triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Colortune Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO I liked mine so much (won it at a car show) that bought a second one. A photo (just because I have one handy): http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc499/Ahwahnee18/TR4/Colortune2_zpsa26c4aef.jpg If you try to get a pic of it -- use the zoom. I discovered that a digital camera doesn't play well with live ignition wires. Geo On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 9:13 AM, wrote: > Years ago I bought a Colortune kit to empiricize adjustment of carburetor > richness. Finally got around to using it as protection for a recent > rebuild. Numbers 3 and 4 were firing bright yellow, which makes sense > given the black ends to the spark plugs. Adjusted to about the color of a > gas stove. > > Astonishing. > > Terry Smith, '59 TR3A TS 58667 > New Hampshire > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:30 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B778A25807C3 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2014 14:29:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50EA9258079E for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2014 14:28:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [108.167.8.138] ([108.167.8.138:54731] helo=livingroompc) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 37/9D-06702-1852FA35; Sat, 28 Jun 2014 20:28:49 +0000 From: "Greg Lemon" To: , "triumphs" References: <361498245.376315.1403971272384.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 15:28:49 -0500 Subject: Re: [TR] lifters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO >From what I have been told, yes, you want a little curvature on the lifter surface, which I believe in theory causes it to spin and wear more evenly. Greg Lemon -------------------------------------------------- From: Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2014 11:01 AM To: "triumphs" Subject: [TR] lifters > Rather than buy new aftermarket lifters that are infamous for being too > soft, I had my old ones ground at $4.00 each. I think he ground the > surface flat. > Talking with Oregon Cams in Washington, where I sent my cam for a stock > grind, he mentioned he does lifters too and even puts the little ball on > the surface...meaning I guess the surface that mates with the came is not > supposed to be just flat. > > That make sense to anyone? And if so, Is a flat lifter that bad? > > By the way, Mark, congratulations on what appears to be a successful > resurrection of the List! > > Terry Smith, '59 TR3A TS 58667 > New Hampshire > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/glemon@neb.rr.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:31 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11D002580A59 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 07:00:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bc600a.its.queensu.ca (bc600a.its.queensu.ca [130.15.126.70]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 008082580841 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 06:59:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from MP-DUP-HTS-02.AD.QUEENSU.CA (S27.N12.queensu.ca [130.15.12.27]) by bc600a.its.queensu.ca with ESMTP id GLFsrwRRnFdfeKae; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 08:59:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MP-DUP-MBX-01.AD.QUEENSU.CA ([169.254.1.243]) by MP-DUP-HTS-02.AD.QUEENSU.CA ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 08:59:43 -0400 From: Brian Thomas To: dave n Thread-Topic: [TR] Fw: TR3 interior (not tr3a) Thread-Index: AQHPkujkuMtu1C2ilUyZgqri4VIQZZuIBxIQ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 12:59:43 +0000 References: <2C0FC4365BA4421B9921211A8C9C88AB@Ranteer.local> Accept-Language: en-CA, en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [69.7.251.14] TAG_LEVEL=1000.0 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=1000.0 KILL_LEVEL=6.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.00 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message Cc: "triumphs@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [TR] Fw: TR3 interior (not tr3a) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Hi Dave, Pic's of my '56 TR3 may help. When I got it in 1975, the car had been off the road for 11 years but unfortunately stored outside under plastic. The interior however was still totally original, albeit with the horsehair mats peeking out of the seat cushions in a number of places and the vinyl looking very sad. I carefully removed all the interior pieces and stripped them of the existing vinyl. Then, using the castoffs as a pattern, the pieces were recovered in new vinyl. The door panel backings were a little warped so I fabricated replacements using a similar millboard material - the door "pockets" were reused. The seats were professionally recovered in black leather with white piping as original - sides and backs in black vinyl. TRF supplied wheel well covers and a wool carpet set. All hardware is either original or the correct TRF supplied pieces (for example, screws/cups used to hold most of the vinyl covered pieces in place). The formed cardboard gas tank cover in my car was also original. Unlike some of the repro's, it did not have the pressed seat lines in either the board or the vinyl removed - so I replaced the vinyl with like. While this work was completed in 1989, everything still looks good. Let me know what you are interested in. Cheers, Brian -----Original Message----- From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of dave n Sent: June-28-14 11:46 AM To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Fw: TR3 interior (not tr3a) somehow the mail server stuck in a "b" where it didn't belong. just to clarify, I am looking for help on a 57 tr3 smallmouth. I apologize for this. Archive: http://www.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/thomasb@queensu.ca ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:31 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 356102584618 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 15:13:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from smtp1.execulink.net (smtp1.execulink.net [69.63.44.82]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D22A25845E3 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 15:13:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [69.63.36.183] (helo=[192.168.4.106]) by smtp1.execulink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1X1MQ3-0004Iq-Bc; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 17:13:52 -0400 From: Keith Stewart Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 17:13:22 -0400 References: To: triumphs@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 interior (not tr3a) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO On Sun, 29 Jun 2014, at 12:59 PM, Brian Thomast wrote: > The formed cardboard gas tank cover in my car was > also original. Unlike some of the repro's, it did not have the pressed seat > lines in either the board or the vinyl removed - so I replaced the vinyl with > like. > > Cheers, > > Brian Brian I would love to see pictures of the gas tank cover. The one that was in my 57 TR3 when I purchased it was also a grained, plain finish. The panel that was included with the TRF interior I purchased was not similar. Not sure which one I want to use. Thanks. Keith Stewart keithstewartATexeculinkDOTcom ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:31 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD24D258469E for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 16:40:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8DCA25845B5 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 16:39:57 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge02 smtp.user=jmagorian@neb.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [107.14.174.248] ([107.14.174.248:61934] helo=cdptpa-web01) by cdptpa-oedge02 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id E7/AD-06702-4C590B35; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 22:40:04 +0000 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 22:40:04 +0000 From: To: triumphs@autox.team.net Cc: triumphs-request@autox.team.net Sensitivity: Normal 2014 22:40:04 +0000 Subject: Re: [TR] lifters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO I am sure the the lifters are suppose to rotate. Used lifters have a circular pattern in the very center of the bottom lifters from rotating due to the bottom being crowned, very slightly. Lifters aren't worn all across their bottoms. Jerry Magorian 1974 TR-6 ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:31 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D944A2584794 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 19:07:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from SNT004-OMC4S32.hotmail.com (snt004-omc4s32.hotmail.com [65.55.90.235]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BC112584741 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 19:07:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from SNT152-W58 ([65.55.90.200]) by SNT004-OMC4S32.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.22701); Sun, 29 Jun 2014 18:07:12 -0700 From: Bob Rochlin To: "terryrs@comcast.net" , Truiumphs Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 01:07:12 +0000 References: <0386EEB5-6DC0-4C31-BE28-F343494F01A6@flash.net>, <361498245.376315.1403971272384.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> FILETIME=[A02422A0:01CF93FF] Subject: Re: [TR] lifters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO As it happens, I just installed a new cam from Goodparts (Richard Good). Richard strongly recommended that I use his flat ground tappets to assure the cam lobes did not get ground down. I believe he feels that the flat grind assures full contact between the tappets and the cam lobes and thus avoids premature lobe wear.Take care.Bob Rochlin72' TR6 > Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 16:01:12 +0000 > From: terryrs@comcast.net > To: triumphs@autox.team.net > Subject: [TR] lifters > > Rather than buy new aftermarket lifters that are infamous for being too soft, I had my old ones ground at $4.00 each. I think he ground the surface flat. > Talking with Oregon Cams in Washington, where I sent my cam for a stock grind, he mentioned he does lifters too and even puts the little ball on the surface...meaning I guess the surface that mates with the came is not supposed to be just flat. > > That make sense to anyone? And if so, Is a flat lifter that bad? > > By the way, Mark, congratulations on what appears to be a successful resurrection of the List! > > Terry Smith, '59 TR3A TS 58667 > New Hampshire > > ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/r_rochlin@hotmail.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:31 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3B3B2584782 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 20:09:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBA682584742 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 20:08:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from RonLHeraultPC ([unknown] [74.104.178.64]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0N7Y008Y2LYP0Q90@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for triumphs@autox.team.net; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 21:08:50 -0500 (CDT) From: "Ron L'Herault" To: Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 22:08:48 -0400 Content-language: en-us Thread-index: Ac+UCDsQ5HZ1MlmZToGwFooYhMlYyw== Subject: [TR] fix and ride Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Last Monday I changed the oil in my 1973 TR-6 and did my nut and bolt check. I had a clunk in the rear and though maybe the nuts at the connection to the diff had loosened again. They were tight but the U joint had play in it so I changed it, fortunately having three of them on the parts shelf. Unfortunately I didn't have new nylock nuts so I got on line to the Roadster Factory and ordered 4 of them along with a new turn signal blinker unit with the hope that a new one would make the lights blink faster. I'd already cleaned all the connections and bulb bases which helped a bit. The nuts and flasher unit came in on Friday and I decided to do the install today. It all went without a hitch. Clunk is pretty much gone and turn signals flash at an acceptably fast rate. After cleaning up I took the car out for a test drive -which really means that I headed over to the Ice Cream Machine for a cone of ginger ice cream. It was such a great day for a ride. The weather was PERFECT. However I did get to wondering about the U joints on the drive shaft. I have never replaced them on this '73 with 85K on it and I never did on my first TR-6 which had 95 K on it when it was wrecked back in 1979. Sooooo, why do the rear axle U joints need to be replaced more often than the drive shaft U joints. I think the are the same size/part number, right? Grinning still from the nice ride today, Ron L ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:31 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF6CE258478C for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 20:21:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A58BA2584709 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 20:21:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fizzer.bradakis.com (50-198-190-20-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.20]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F36742C0096 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 20:21:12 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 20:21:13 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26.1 To: triumphs@autox.team.net References: <000701cf9408$3b89ce90$b29d6bb0$@net> Subject: Re: [TR] fix and ride Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO Ron L'Herault wrote: > Sooooo, why do the rear axle U joints need to be replaced more > often than the drive shaft U joints. The axle joints go through a much greater range of angular deflection. mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:31 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F3B8258477E for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 20:22:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from gproxy4-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy4-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.23.142]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id DFD732584709 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 20:21:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (qmail 2449 invoked by uid 0); 30 Jun 2014 02:22:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw2) (10.0.90.83) by gproxy4.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2014 02:22:03 -0000 Received: from just64.justhost.com ([173.254.28.64]) by cmgw2 with id LSMy1o0021NzpT901SN1ov; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 20:22:02 -0600 a=vuSASFU9Tp3ZfMgjgJIBGg==:117 a=odl247kEqGQQ9keRrYGJ4A==:17 a=BY8XqHikAAAA:8 a=f5113yIGAAAA:8 a=yKqyAkVeGwwA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=dKaUxyAQAAAA:8 a=Pyq9K9CWowscuQLKlpiwfMBGOR0=:19 a=PqYVp9QRvtMA:10 a=yssFK_F_BEgA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=TTBmcu9nheWns02egVEA:9 a=jnifyi6CBeUCYAgf:21 a=zrRX00DMJim9dilT:21 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=E3LtK94QmHYA:10 Received: from [173.31.234.34] (port=55278 helo=Tony-Win7-PC.tonydrews.com) by just64.justhost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1X1REE-00023I-QE; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 20:21:58 -0600 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 21:21:54 -0500 To: "Ron L'Herault" , From: Tony Drews References: <000701cf9408$3b89ce90$b29d6bb0$@net> {sentby:smtp auth 173.31.234.34 authed with tony@tonydrews.com} Subject: Re: [TR] fix and ride Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO The u-joints in the axles have to deal with larger angles and variable amounts of flexing, while the ones from trans to frame-mounted diff are almost perfectly straight all of the time. Driveshaft u-joints in a solid axle car won't last as long as they have to flex more and have more misalignment continually. Tony At 09:08 PM 6/29/2014, Ron L'Herault wrote: >Last Monday I changed the oil in my 1973 TR-6 and did my nut and bolt check. >I had a clunk in the rear and though maybe the nuts at the connection to the >diff had loosened again. They were tight but the U joint had play in it so >I changed it, fortunately having three of them on the parts shelf. >Unfortunately I didn't have new nylock nuts so I got on line to the Roadster >Factory and ordered 4 of them along with a new turn signal blinker unit with >the hope that a new one would make the lights blink faster. I'd already >cleaned all the connections and bulb bases which helped a bit. The nuts and >flasher unit came in on Friday and I decided to do the install today. It >all went without a hitch. Clunk is pretty much gone and turn signals flash >at an acceptably fast rate. After cleaning up I took the car out for a >test drive -which really means that I headed over to the Ice Cream Machine >for a cone of ginger ice cream. It was such a great day for a ride. The >weather was PERFECT. However I did get to wondering about the U joints on >the drive shaft. I have never replaced them on this '73 with 85K on it and >I never did on my first TR-6 which had 95 K on it when it was wrecked back >in 1979. Sooooo, why do the rear axle U joints need to be replaced more >often than the drive shaft U joints. I think the are the same size/part >number, right? > >Grinning still from the nice ride today, > >Ron L > >** triumphs@autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tony@tonydrews.com ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:31 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CAF52584785 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 20:42:46 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.229]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D0252584720 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2014 20:42:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [98.148.60.115] ([98.148.60.115:55000] helo=rypc) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 48/45-02848-6AEC0B35; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 02:42:46 +0000 From: "Randall" To: Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 19:42:43 -0700 Thread-Index: Ac+UCfhkQcMTtFkJS5WBH09L8Cz6LwAAuVnw Subject: Re: [TR] fix and ride Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO > The axle joints go through a much greater range of angular deflection. And have to carry nearly 4 times as much torque. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:32 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC03F2584A45 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 17:08:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f181.google.com (mail-lb0-f181.google.com [209.85.217.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E2022580BC2 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 17:08:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f181.google.com with SMTP id p9so6269762lbv.40 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 16:08:10 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Qd58S/Raux/SCvUvTRxmwBNhq1SgkKezVWQHhwdYxRU=; b=SWA3zOCY0qMODbCvNDYTTpfPAEnLuf7fpqgkpag/1EC4/zyqBO1stsAH1YuHLAAJ/H 6xxvKzBpf4wqJqy7hkjSUwrpb728MPVFCpwG36AMkpe87ppUZ5O6363ZR8EEWk3/vUvJ pxCCkMzXv9sOcWa10MoAxzkt9A1EhJXhLO9+32zCGh1zYAI1/8SQpT9XNgfdqSAlcUkl GItyLiaahtZNHFc8uxSt3GKA+TXwbG1j2Lp7zk2Bv5AowZnCKtG6pDNRbiR4I5oJKpFI yKWZ5gpwtyi3rkhJ4zsrVdigeu5gXp9HXQ2s8/oZ/pvJqKwiuNdCmgBAUWszqMpgW5oz RGMw== qc4mr31749861lbb.6.1404169690596; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 16:08:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.77.42 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 16:08:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 19:08:10 -0400 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: "Triumphs (triumphs@autox.team.net)" Subject: [TR] Shift rod detent plugs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO I have found what I believe is an acceptable substitute for the NLA plug that holds the gearshift selector shaft detent plunger in place. http://www.imperialsupplies.com/item/0067010 I know that the hole can be tapped and have a plug screwed in. The dimensions of that screw plug are not readily available, though I reckon it would be the same as the height of the old plug. It seems to me that there's no real difference in what I use. Both parts are ultimately held in when the cover is assembled to the gearbox. Should I just cut the end off a bolt and slot it for a screwdriver, and tap the hole? Or is there some reason that the pressed in plug is better even if you aren't a manufacturer trying to save time and money? Or am I just overthinking things, as usual? ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:32 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CD4F2584A54 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 17:43:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.231]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2D552584A25 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 17:43:24 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: cdptpa-oedge03 smtp.user=tr3driver@ca.rr.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [107.14.174.248] ([107.14.174.248:53310] helo=cdptpa-web16) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTPA id 66/D7-02848-426F1B35; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 23:43:33 +0000 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 23:43:32 +0000 From: Randall To: "Triumphs (triumphs@autox.team.net)" Sensitivity: Normal 2014 23:43:32 +0000 Subject: Re: [TR] Shift rod detent plugs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO > It seems to me that there's no real difference in what I use. Both > parts are ultimately held in when the cover is assembled to the > gearbox. My only concern would be the plug moving after installing the cover, like perhaps it wasn't installed deep enough (so installing the cover crushed it deeper, increasing the detent force). Easy enough to avoid. > Or is there some reason that the pressed in plug is > better even if you aren't a manufacturer trying to save time and > money? I prefer the threaded plugs, just because they make it a lot easier to adjust the detent force if necessary. Otherwise, I don't see a functional difference. Good find on the plugs, BTW. Don't forget there are seals on the shift rods, which may need to be replaced. The seals I got from one of the "big 3" were just standard O-rings, which did not fit snugly in the bores in the top cover. So I added teflon "backing rings" to fill up the gap. Randall ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:32 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 167E62584A30 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 18:09:13 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50DD72584A10 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 18:09:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fizzer.bradakis.com (50-198-190-20-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.20]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 756702C018B for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 18:09:13 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 18:09:15 -0600 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26.1 To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] TR4A ignition switch bezel Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO I'm working on a TR4A down at Baileys ( CTC 613?? ) and I am getting tired of fumbling about under the dash to get the ignition switch when I want to start it. All it needs to put the switch where it belongs is that little, threaded chrome ring that holds it in place. Anyone have a spare? mjb. ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive From triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Sep 9 06:42:32 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from autox.team.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A428E2584A3E for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 18:39:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: triumphs@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f182.google.com (mail-lb0-f182.google.com [209.85.217.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 709702584A1F for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 18:39:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f182.google.com with SMTP id c11so6468308lbj.13 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 17:39:08 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=v/dVJNM1jp1OL59jtMxIoTHFEWWQIVHNapP+hyVzLxo=; b=pxuHBvpc4FDLsHpSmwM5nQBFO+3ziJgUP5doQwAcoCGe7ughntCK3yi6kt0T9ZyuOh N95s8ba2WHKUkH6QVPnehMGcs/reddaPnQfUahApVCNS8wxG3NEhQWQhYn4k7wsZPpe5 Lhg5VGL7hG1FMwYgBCvibhPqbQr33rQ5Fe0xd6oyRDTUtphhWXsM5Y1Vr/dTObc//Ojf RREDIjsxOyCcZANR1cqc+srHPSy72u+i5X9eZ2fAztVgeDAhAET4ReJJsaEd0Zad8XS/ hZXFFLsVblLV8Gz04NfXV6oYmV+OQa/fxwDCCVh4MBIweGsbpDN8hLSIk+nWFKPvtv2M uPtw== Mon, 30 Jun 2014 17:39:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.77.42 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Jun 2014 17:39:08 -0700 (PDT) References: <20140630234333.0VNJB.292017.root@cdptpa-web16> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 20:39:08 -0400 From: Jeff Scarbrough To: Randall , "Triumphs (triumphs@autox.team.net)" Subject: Re: [TR] Shift rod detent plugs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net Status: RO On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 7:43 PM, Randall wrote: > Don't forget there are seals on the shift rods, which may need to be replaced. Yep. Mine were hard as rock. New ones from TRF; I'll be sure to check for snugness. I want to do a "quality" rebuild. I only plan to do it once. At least for free, anyway. That's the reason for all the funny questions. Thanks for the input. Cheers, Jeff ** triumphs@autox.team.net ** Archive: http://www.team.net/archive