Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rt exhaust manifold

From: Allan Ballard <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2024 14:01:00 -0400

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We=E2=80=99ve tried tall for presidents in recent years and they=E2=80=99ve b=
een mediocre at best.

Maybe 2024 is the year for short.

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> Anyone have a very clear picture of the logo on the Rt exhaust manifold?
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d?
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> Thanks
> Ron Fraser
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oNormal">There is a discussion on the CAT Forum about who cast the Rt exhaus=
t manifold.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal">Norm Miller states BARCAST<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Another believes it is DARC=
AST =E2=80=93 this is a UK Foundry that cast many exhaust manifold for Briti=
sh cars.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal">Anyone have a very clear picture of the logo on the Rt exhaust m=
anifold?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal">Anyone have information about the Foundry that cast the Rt exhau=
st manifold?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ron Fraser<o:=
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From: Joe Brown <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2024 13:14:04 -0500

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I took this picture many years ago when I was restoring the car.  I wish I
had taken another picture after I sandblasted the thing.  I can't really
tell if that starts with a B or not.

Have Fun,
Joe Brown

On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 12:46=E2=80=AFPM Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers@autox=
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> There is a discussion on the CAT Forum about who cast the Rt exhaust
> manifold.
>
>
>
> Another believes it is DARCAST =E2=80=93 this is a UK Foundry that cast m=
any
> exhaust manifold for British cars.
>
>
>
> Anyone have information about the Foundry that cast the Rt exhaust
> manifold?
>
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> Thanks
>
> Ron Fraser
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I took this picture many years ago when I was restoring th=
e car.=C2=A0 I wish I had taken another picture after I sandblasted the thi=
ng.=C2=A0 I can&#39;t really tell if that starts with a B or not.<div><img =
src=3D"cid:ii_ly7l54ja0" alt=3D"IMG_20181106_150315.jpg" width=3D"530" heig=
ht=3D"265"><br></div><div><br></div><div>Have Fun,</div><div>Joe Brown</div=
></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr"=
>On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 12:46=E2=80=AFPM Ron Fraser via Tigers &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><=
/div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"msg-74=
57323748889200752"><div lang=3D"EN-US"><div class=3D"m_-7457323748889200752=
WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">There is a discussion on the CAT Forum=
 about who cast the Rt exhaust manifold.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Norm Miller states BAR=
CAST<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal">Another believes it is DARCAST =E2=80=93 this is a UK Foun=
dry that cast many exhaust manifold for British cars.<u></u><u></u></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Anyone ha=
ve a very clear picture of the logo on the Rt exhaust manifold?<u></u><u></=
u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
>Anyone have information about the Foundry that cast the Rt exhaust manifol=
d?<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks <u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ron Fraser<u=
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I just took a look at the manifold on my engine which is out and hung on 
an engine stand, and it looks like Darcast to me.

The "DA" in the prefix on the part number lends some to the argument 
that it's Darcast.

On 7/4/24 11:14 AM, Joe Brown wrote:
> I took this picture many years ago when I was restoring the car.  I 
> wish I had taken another picture after I sandblasted the thing.  I 
> can't really tell if that starts with a B or not.
> IMG_20181106_150315.jpg
>
> Have Fun,
> Joe Brown
>
> On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 12:46 PM Ron Fraser via Tigers 
> <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
>     There is a discussion on the CAT Forum about who cast the Rt
>     exhaust manifold.
>
>     Another believes it is DARCAST – this is a UK Foundry that cast
>     many exhaust manifold for British cars.
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    <p><font face="Carlito">I just took a look at the manifold on my
        engine which is out and hung on an engine stand, and it looks
        like Darcast to me.</font></p>
    <p><img moz-do-not-send="false" src="cid:[email-masked]" alt="" width="700" height="277"></p>
    <p><font face="Carlito">The &quot;DA&quot; in the prefix on the part number
        lends some to the argument that it's Darcast.</font></p>
    <img moz-do-not-send="false" src="cid:[email-masked]" alt="" width="1200" height="594"><br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/4/24 11:14 AM, Joe Brown wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:CAKb_wfmwWa64wzqYLiHAsXZ9DyT4TU4m=[email-masked]">
      
      <div dir="ltr">I took this picture many years ago when I was
        restoring the car.&nbsp; I wish I had taken another picture after I
        sandblasted the thing.&nbsp; I can't really tell if that starts with
        a B or not.
        <div><img src="cid:[email-masked]" alt="IMG_20181106_150315.jpg" class="" width="530" height="265"><br>
        </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Have Fun,</div>
        <div>Joe Brown</div>
      </div>
      <br>
      <div class="gmail_quote">
        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at
          12:46 PM Ron Fraser via Tigers &lt;<a href="mailto:[email-masked]" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
          wrote:<br>
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        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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                <p class="MsoNormal">There is a discussion on the CAT
                  Forum about who cast the Rt exhaust manifold.</p>
                <p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
                <p class="MsoNormal">Norm Miller states BARCAST</p>
                <p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
                <p class="MsoNormal">Another believes it is DARCAST –
                  this is a UK Foundry that cast many exhaust manifold
                  for British cars.</p>
                <p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
                <p class="MsoNormal">Anyone have a very clear picture of
                  the logo on the Rt exhaust manifold?</p>
                <p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
                <p class="MsoNormal">Anyone have information about the
                  Foundry that cast the Rt exhaust manifold?</p>
                <p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
                <p class="MsoNormal">Thanks </p>
                <p class="MsoNormal">Ron Fraser</p>
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From: Bill Waite via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2024 00:11:23 +0000 (UTC)

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 In earlier emails on the above subject, Ron Fraser has stated "Norm Miller=
 states BARCAST" and "Another believes it is DARCAST =E2=80=93 this is a UK=
 Foundry that cast many exhaust manifold for British cars."=C2=A0

The "another" person Ron Fraser is referring to is me, Bill Waite (Tiger / =
Alpine owner since 1978).=C2=A0 I have uncovered additional information tod=
ay which confirms (100% in my opinion) that the logo on the Tiger's RT Exha=
ust Manifold is DARCAST.
Ron said "We are looking for photo proof or written proof to seal this case=
."=C2=A0 Hopefully the following information will include enough proof.
1.=C2=A0 Ends up that from 1915 through 1980 there was a company named "Dar=
tmouth Auto Castings" located in Smethwick (UK).=C2=A0 In later years that =
company operated three (3) separate foundries. It ends up that Darcast was =
not the name of any foundry.=C2=A0 Rather Dartmouth Auto Castings used the =
DART in Dartmouth and the CAST in Castings to create its logo: DarCast.
2.=C2=A0 An October 1951 print advertisement (attached to this message) cle=
arly shows the Darcast logo.=C2=A0 Also attached is another print ad from 1=
965.=C2=A0 =C2=A0That ad lists the type of castings they produced.
3.=C2=A0 On the unique Tiger manifold, there is a number "DA21120."=C2=A0 I=
 looked at some of the other exhaust manifolds the company produced, and th=
ey also have unique identifiers starting with "DA."=C2=A0 I submit: "DA" wa=
s likely used as the prefix of "Dartmouth Auto" part numbers.
4.=C2=A0 Separately, to the best of my knowledge, no one has ever posted a =
photograph of the RT side exhaust manifold with "Barcast" in the logo.
I intend to add the above information to the thread I started on the C.A.T.=
 Forum.=C2=A0 The link to that thread follows:=C2=A0=C2=A0https://www.catmb=
r.org/cat-forum/threads/questions-regarding-original-rt-side-exhaust-header=
.8891/
Best Regards,

Bill Waite

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<html><head></head><body><div class=3D"ydpaf478f64yahoo-style-wrap" style=
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        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">In earlier emails on the abo=
ve subject, Ron Fraser has stated "<span style=3D"color: rgb(38, 40, 42);">=
Norm Miller states BARCAST" and "</span><span style=3D"color: rgb(38, 40, 4=
2);">Another believes it is DARCAST =E2=80=93 this is a UK Foundry that cas=
t many exhaust manifold for British cars."</span>&nbsp;<br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"fa=
lse">The "another" person Ron Fraser is referring to is me, Bill Waite (Tig=
er / Alpine owner since 1978).&nbsp; I have uncovered additional informatio=
n today which confirms (100% in my opinion) that the logo on the Tiger's RT=
 Exhaust Manifold is <b>DARCAST</b>.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"f=
alse"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Ron said "<span>We a=
re looking for photo proof or written proof to seal this case."&nbsp; Hopef=
ully the following information will include enough proof.</span></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><span><br></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" d=
ata-setdir=3D"false">1.&nbsp; Ends up that from 1915 through 1980 there was=
 a company named "<b>Dartmouth Auto Castings</b>" located in Smethwick (UK)=
.&nbsp; In later years that company operated three (3) separate foundries. =
It ends up that Darcast was not the name of any foundry.&nbsp; Rather Dartm=
outh Auto Castings used the<b> DART</b> in Dartmouth and the <b>CAST</b> in=
 Castings to create its logo: <b>DarCast</b>.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-se=
tdir=3D"false"><span><br>2.&nbsp; An October 1951 print advertisement (atta=
ched to this message) clearly shows the Darcast logo.&nbsp; Also attached i=
s another print ad from 1965.&nbsp; &nbsp;That ad lists the type of casting=
s they produced.</span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><span><=
br></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">3.&nbsp; On the uniq=
ue Tiger manifold, there is a number "DA21120."&nbsp; I looked at some of t=
he other exhaust manifolds the company produced, and they also have unique =
identifiers starting with "DA."&nbsp; I submit: "<b>DA</b>" was likely used=
 as the prefix of "<b>D</b>artmouth <b>A</b>uto" part numbers.</div><div di=
r=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"f=
alse">4.&nbsp; Separately, to the best of my knowledge, no one has ever pos=
ted a photograph of the RT side exhaust manifold with "Barcast" in the logo=
.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" da=
ta-setdir=3D"false">I intend to add the above information to the thread I s=
tarted on the C.A.T. Forum.&nbsp; The link to that thread follows:&nbsp;&nb=
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Same exact logo.  It was DARCAST, no question.
Gary W.

On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 5:11=E2=80=AFPM Bill Waite <[email-masked]=

> In earlier emails on the above subject, Ron Fraser has stated "Norm
> Miller states BARCAST" and "Another believes it is DARCAST =E2=80=93 this=
 is a UK
> Foundry that cast many exhaust manifold for British cars."
>
> The "another" person Ron Fraser is referring to is me, Bill Waite (Tiger =
/
> Alpine owner since 1978).  I have uncovered additional information today
> which confirms (100% in my opinion) that the logo on the Tiger's RT Exhau=
st
> Manifold is *DARCAST*.
>
> Ron said "We are looking for photo proof or written proof to seal this
> case."  Hopefully the following information will include enough proof.
>
> 1.  Ends up that from 1915 through 1980 there was a company named "*Dartm=
outh
> Auto Castings*" located in Smethwick (UK).  In later years that company
> operated three (3) separate foundries. It ends up that Darcast was not th=
e
> name of any foundry.  Rather Dartmouth Auto Castings used the* DART* in
> Dartmouth and the *CAST* in Castings to create its logo: *DarCast*.
>
> 2.  An October 1951 print advertisement (attached to this message) clearl=
y
> shows the Darcast logo.  Also attached is another print ad from 1965.
>  That ad lists the type of castings they produced.
>
> 3.  On the unique Tiger manifold, there is a number "DA21120."  I looked
> at some of the other exhaust manifolds the company produced, and they als=
o
> have unique identifiers starting with "DA."  I submit: "*DA*" was likely
> used as the prefix of "*D*artmouth *A*uto" part numbers.
>
> 4.  Separately, to the best of my knowledge, no one has ever posted a
> I intend to add the above information to the thread I started on the
> C.A.T. Forum.  The link to that thread follows:
> https://www.catmbr.org/cat-forum/threads/questions-regarding-original-rt-=
side-exhaust-header.8891/
> Bill Waite

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Same exact logo.=C2=A0 It was DARCAST, no question.<b=
r></div><div>Gary W.</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quot=
e"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 5:11=E2=80=
=AFPM Bill Waite &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">fordlandia=
@sbcglobal.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" st=
yle=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padd=
ing-left:1ex"><div><div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial=
,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr">In earlier emails on the above subject, Ron Fraser=
 has stated &quot;<span style=3D"color:rgb(38,40,42)">Norm Miller states BA=
RCAST&quot; and &quot;</span><span style=3D"color:rgb(38,40,42)">Another be=
lieves it is DARCAST =E2=80=93 this is a UK Foundry that cast many exhaust =
manifold for British cars.&quot;</span>=C2=A0<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br=
></div><div dir=3D"ltr">The &quot;another&quot; person Ron Fraser is referr=
ing to is me, Bill Waite (Tiger / Alpine owner since 1978).=C2=A0 I have un=
covered additional information today which confirms (100% in my opinion) th=
at the logo on the Tiger&#39;s RT Exhaust Manifold is <b>DARCAST</b>.</div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Ron said &quot;<span>We are loo=
king for photo proof or written proof to seal this case.&quot;=C2=A0 Hopefu=
lly the following information will include enough proof.</span></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr"><span><br></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr">1.=C2=A0 Ends up that fr=
om 1915 through 1980 there was a company named &quot;<b>Dartmouth Auto Cast=
ings</b>&quot; located in Smethwick (UK).=C2=A0 In later years that company=
 operated three (3) separate foundries. It ends up that Darcast was not the=
 name of any foundry.=C2=A0 Rather Dartmouth Auto Castings used the<b> DART=
</b> in Dartmouth and the <b>CAST</b> in Castings to create its logo: <b>Da=
rCast</b>.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><span><br>2.=C2=A0 An October 1951 print a=
dvertisement (attached to this message) clearly shows the Darcast logo.=C2=
=A0 Also attached is another print ad from 1965.=C2=A0 =C2=A0That ad lists =
the type of castings they produced.</span></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><span><br>=
</span></div><div dir=3D"ltr">3.=C2=A0 On the unique Tiger manifold, there =
is a number &quot;DA21120.&quot;=C2=A0 I looked at some of the other exhaus=
t manifolds the company produced, and they also have unique identifiers sta=
rting with &quot;DA.&quot;=C2=A0 I submit: &quot;<b>DA</b>&quot; was likely=
 used as the prefix of &quot;<b>D</b>artmouth <b>A</b>uto&quot; part number=
s.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">4.=C2=A0 Separately, to=
 the best of my knowledge, no one has ever posted a photograph of the RT si=
de exhaust manifold with &quot;Barcast&quot; in the logo.</div><div dir=3D"=
ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">I intend to add the above information to th=
e thread I started on the C.A.T. Forum.=C2=A0 The link to that thread follo=
ws:=C2=A0=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://www.catmbr.org/cat-forum/threads/question=
s-regarding-original-rt-side-exhaust-header.8891/" rel=3D"nofollow" target=
=3D"_blank">https://www.catmbr.org/cat-forum/threads/questions-regarding-or=
iginal-rt-side-exhaust-header.8891/</a></div><div><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr=
">Best Regards,<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Bill W=
aite</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div></div></=
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Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2024 09:08:10 -0400

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Bill

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Well done and thank you for pursuing this subject.

Rootes redesigned the Rt Exhaust manifold for a center dump and DARCAST =
cast the manifold for the Tiger.

=20

Ron Fraser

=20

=20

=20

From: Bill Waite <[email-masked]>=20
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2024 8:11 PM
To: [email-masked]; Ron Fraser <[email-masked]>
Cc: Allan Ballard <[email-masked]>; [email-masked]; =
[email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rt exhaust manifold

=20

In earlier emails on the above subject, Ron Fraser has stated "Norm =
Miller states BARCAST" and "Another believes it is DARCAST =E2=80=93 =
this is a UK Foundry that cast many exhaust manifold for British cars."=20

=20

The "another" person Ron Fraser is referring to is me, Bill Waite (Tiger =
/ Alpine owner since 1978).  I have uncovered additional information =
today which confirms (100% in my opinion) that the logo on the Tiger's =
RT Exhaust Manifold is DARCAST.

=20

Ron said "We are looking for photo proof or written proof to seal this =
case."  Hopefully the following information will include enough proof.

=20

1.  Ends up that from 1915 through 1980 there was a company named =
"Dartmouth Auto Castings" located in Smethwick (UK).  In later years =
that company operated three (3) separate foundries. It ends up that =
Darcast was not the name of any foundry.  Rather Dartmouth Auto Castings =
used the DART in Dartmouth and the CAST in Castings to create its logo: =
DarCast.

2.  An October 1951 print advertisement (attached to this message) =
clearly shows the Darcast logo.  Also attached is another print ad from =
1965.   That ad lists the type of castings they produced.

=20

3.  On the unique Tiger manifold, there is a number "DA21120."  I looked =
at some of the other exhaust manifolds the company produced, and they =
also have unique identifiers starting with "DA."  I submit: "DA" was =
likely used as the prefix of "Dartmouth Auto" part numbers.

=20

4.  Separately, to the best of my knowledge, no one has ever posted a =
photograph of the RT side exhaust manifold with "Barcast" in the logo.

=20

I intend to add the above information to the thread I started on the =
C.A.T. Forum.  The link to that thread follows:  =
https://www.catmbr.org/cat-forum/threads/questions-regarding-original-rt-=
side-exhaust-header.8891/

=20

Best Regards,

=20

Bill Waite

=20

=20

=20

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and thank you for pursuing this subject.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Rootes redesigned the Rt Exhaust manifold for a center =
dump and DARCAST cast the manifold for the Tiger.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Ron =
Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
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0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Bill Waite =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 04, =
2024 8:11 PM<br><b>To:</b> [email-masked]; Ron Fraser =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> Allan Ballard =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;; [email-masked]; =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Rt exhaust =
manifold<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>In earlier =
emails on the above subject, Ron Fraser has stated &quot;<span =
style=3D'color:#26282A'>Norm Miller states BARCAST&quot; and =
&quot;Another believes it is DARCAST =E2=80=93 this is a UK Foundry that =
cast many exhaust manifold for British =
cars.&quot;</span>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>The =
&quot;another&quot; person Ron Fraser is referring to is me, Bill Waite =
(Tiger / Alpine owner since 1978).&nbsp; I have uncovered additional =
information today which confirms (100% in my opinion) that the logo on =
the Tiger's RT Exhaust Manifold is =
<b>DARCAST</b>.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Ron said =
&quot;We are looking for photo proof or written proof to seal this =
case.&quot;&nbsp; Hopefully the following information will include =
enough proof.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;=
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>1.&nbsp; =
Ends up that from 1915 through 1980 there was a company named =
&quot;<b>Dartmouth Auto Castings</b>&quot; located in Smethwick =
(UK).&nbsp; In later years that company operated three (3) separate =
foundries. It ends up that Darcast was not the name of any =
foundry.&nbsp; Rather Dartmouth Auto Castings used the<b> DART</b> in =
Dartmouth and the <b>CAST</b> in Castings to create its logo: =
<b>DarCast</b>.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><br>2.&nbsp=
; An October 1951 print advertisement (attached to this message) clearly =
shows the Darcast logo.&nbsp; Also attached is another print ad from =
1965.&nbsp; &nbsp;That ad lists the type of castings they =
produced.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;=
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On the unique Tiger manifold, there is a number =
&quot;DA21120.&quot;&nbsp; I looked at some of the other exhaust =
manifolds the company produced, and they also have unique identifiers =
starting with &quot;DA.&quot;&nbsp; I submit: &quot;<b>DA</b>&quot; was =
likely used as the prefix of &quot;<b>D</b>artmouth <b>A</b>uto&quot; =
part numbers.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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Separately, to the best of my knowledge, no one has ever posted a =
photograph of the RT side exhaust manifold with &quot;Barcast&quot; in =
the logo.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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to add the above information to the thread I started on the C.A.T. =
Forum.&nbsp; The link to that thread follows:&nbsp;&nbsp;<a =
href=3D"https://www.catmbr.org/cat-forum/threads/questions-regarding-orig=
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The Mk II part number changed to 1236160.   I think this is just an =
updated number but it needs to be explored.

=20

Anyone have a picture of the Mk II Rt exhaust manifold?

=20

Ron Fraser

=20

From: Gary Winblad <[email-masked]>=20
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2024 9:29 PM
To: Bill Waite <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked]; Ron Fraser <[email-masked]>; Allan =
Ballard <[email-masked]>; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rt exhaust manifold

=20

Gary W.

=20

=20

On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 5:11=E2=80=AFPM Bill Waite =

=20

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updated number but it needs to be explored.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Anyone have =
a picture of the Mk II Rt exhaust manifold?<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Ron =
Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Gary Winblad =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 04, 2024 =
9:29 PM<br><b>To:</b> Bill Waite =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> [email-masked]; =
Ron Fraser &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Allan Ballard =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;; [email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> =
Re: [Tigers] Rt exhaust manifold<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Same exact logo.&nbsp; It was DARCAST, no =
question.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Gary =
W.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 5:11=E2=80=AFPM Bill Waite &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
 wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>In earlier =
emails on the above subject, Ron Fraser has stated &quot;<span =
style=3D'color:#26282A'>Norm Miller states BARCAST&quot; and =
&quot;Another believes it is DARCAST =E2=80=93 this is a UK Foundry that =
cast many exhaust manifold for British =
cars.&quot;</span>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>The =
&quot;another&quot; person Ron Fraser is referring to is me, Bill Waite =
(Tiger / Alpine owner since 1978).&nbsp; I have uncovered additional =
information today which confirms (100% in my opinion) that the logo on =
the Tiger's RT Exhaust Manifold is =
<b>DARCAST</b>.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Ron said =
&quot;We are looking for photo proof or written proof to seal this =
case.&quot;&nbsp; Hopefully the following information will include =
enough proof.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>1.&nbsp; =
Ends up that from 1915 through 1980 there was a company named =
&quot;<b>Dartmouth Auto Castings</b>&quot; located in Smethwick =
(UK).&nbsp; In later years that company operated three (3) separate =
foundries. It ends up that Darcast was not the name of any =
foundry.&nbsp; Rather Dartmouth Auto Castings used the<b> DART</b> in =
Dartmouth and the <b>CAST</b> in Castings to create its logo: =
<b>DarCast</b>.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><br>2.&nbsp=
; An October 1951 print advertisement (attached to this message) clearly =
shows the Darcast logo.&nbsp; Also attached is another print ad from =
1965.&nbsp; &nbsp;That ad lists the type of castings they =
produced.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>3.&nbsp; =
On the unique Tiger manifold, there is a number =
&quot;DA21120.&quot;&nbsp; I looked at some of the other exhaust =
manifolds the company produced, and they also have unique identifiers =
starting with &quot;DA.&quot;&nbsp; I submit: &quot;<b>DA</b>&quot; was =
likely used as the prefix of &quot;<b>D</b>artmouth <b>A</b>uto&quot; =
part numbers.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>4.&nbsp; =
Separately, to the best of my knowledge, no one has ever posted a =
photograph of the RT side exhaust manifold with &quot;Barcast&quot; in =
the logo.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>I intend =
to add the above information to the thread I started on the C.A.T. =
Forum.&nbsp; The link to that thread follows:&nbsp;&nbsp;<a =
href=3D"https://www.catmbr.org/cat-forum/threads/questions-regarding-orig=
inal-rt-side-exhaust-header.8891/" =
target=3D"_blank">https://www.catmbr.org/cat-forum/threads/questions-rega=
rding-original-rt-side-exhaust-header.8891/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></di=
v><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Best =
Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Bill =
Waite<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;=
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