Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rt exhaust manifold

From: Gary Winblad <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2024 18:04:26 -0700

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">I am curious why the Ford manifold needed<d=
iv>to be changed?</div><div>Gary W</div><div><br id=3D"lineBreakAtBeginningO=
fSignature"><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><=
blockquote type=3D"cite">On Jul 5, 2024, at 4:53=E2=80=AFPM, Ron Fraser &lt;=
[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D=
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oNormal">The Mk II part number changed to 1236160.&nbsp;&nbsp; I think this i=
s just an updated number but it needs to be explored.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Anyone have a pic=
ture of the Mk II Rt exhaust manifold?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ron Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Gar=
y Winblad &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 04, 2=
024 9:29 PM<br><b>To:</b> Bill Waite &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>=
Cc:</b> [email-masked]; Ron Fraser &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Alla=
n Ballard &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; [email-masked]<br><b>Subjec=
t:</b> Re: [Tigers] Rt exhaust manifold<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Same exact logo.&nbsp=
; It was DARCAST, no question.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l">Gary W.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>=
</p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 5:11=E2=80=AFPM Bill Waite &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrot=
e:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #C=
CCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><d=
iv><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif">In earlier emails on the above subject=
, Ron Fraser has stated "<span style=3D"color:#26282A">Norm Miller states BA=
RCAST" and "Another believes it is DARCAST =E2=80=93 this is a UK Foundry th=
at cast many exhaust manifold for British cars."</span>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fon=
t-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div=
><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&qu=
ot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif">The "another" person Ron Fraser is referring t=
o is me, Bill Waite (Tiger / Alpine owner since 1978).&nbsp; I have uncovere=
d additional information today which confirms (100% in my opinion) that the l=
ogo on the Tiger's RT Exhaust Manifold is <b>DARCAST</b>.<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><di=
v><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;H=
elvetica&quot;,sans-serif">Ron said "We are looking for photo proof or writt=
en proof to seal this case."&nbsp; Hopefully the following information will i=
nclude enough proof.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif=
"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D=
"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif">1.&nbsp; End=
s up that from 1915 through 1980 there was a company named "<b>Dartmouth Aut=
o Castings</b>" located in Smethwick (UK).&nbsp; In later years that company=
 operated three (3) separate foundries. It ends up that Darcast was not the n=
ame of any foundry.&nbsp; Rather Dartmouth Auto Castings used the<b> DART</b=
> in Dartmouth and the <b>CAST</b> in Castings to create its logo: <b>DarCas=
t</b>.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D=
"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif"><br>2.&nbsp;=
 An October 1951 print advertisement (attached to this message) clearly show=
s the Darcast logo.&nbsp; Also attached is another print ad from 1965.&nbsp;=
 &nbsp;That ad lists the type of castings they produced.<o:p></o:p></span></=
p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;He=
lvetica&quot;,sans-serif">3.&nbsp; On the unique Tiger manifold, there is a n=
umber "DA21120."&nbsp; I looked at some of the other exhaust manifolds the c=
ompany produced, and they also have unique identifiers starting with "DA."&n=
bsp; I submit: "<b>DA</b>" was likely used as the prefix of "<b>D</b>artmout=
h <b>A</b>uto" part numbers.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sa=
ns-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif">4.=
&nbsp; Separately, to the best of my knowledge, no one has ever posted a pho=
tograph of the RT side exhaust manifold with "Barcast" in the logo.<o:p></o:=
p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fami=
ly:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif">I intend to add the above information t=
o the thread I started on the C.A.T. Forum.&nbsp; The link to that thread fo=
llows:&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=3D"https://www.catmbr.org/cat-forum/threads/questi=
ons-regarding-original-rt-side-exhaust-header.8891/" target=3D"_blank">https=
://www.catmbr.org/cat-forum/threads/questions-regarding-original-rt-side-exh=
aust-header.8891/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-seri=
f"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif">Best Rega=
rds,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif">Bill Waite<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font=
-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div>=
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quo=
t;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&=
quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div></div></div></blockquote=
></div></div><span>_______________________________________________</span><br=
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From: D or G at sbc via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2024 04:56:42 +0000 (UTC)

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 Because Ford didn't make a manifold for the right side that didn't shoot s=
traight back into the firewall.
David

    On Friday, July 5, 2024 at 07:40:24 PM PDT, Gary Winblad <winbladgary@g=
mail.com> wrote: =20
=20
 I am curious why the Ford manifold neededto be changed?Gary W
Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 5, 2024, at 4:53=E2=80=AFPM, Ron Fraser <[email-masked]> wrote=
:

=EF=BB=BF

The Mk II part number changed to 1236160.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I think this is just =
an updated number but it needs to be explored.

 =C2=A0

Anyone have a picture of the Mk II Rt exhaust manifold?

 =C2=A0

Ron Fraser

 =C2=A0

From: Gary Winblad <[email-masked]>=20
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2024 9:29 PM
To: Bill Waite <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked]; Ron Fraser <[email-masked]>; Allan Ballard=
 <[email-masked]>; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rt exhaust manifold

 =C2=A0

Same exact logo.=C2=A0 It was DARCAST, no question.

Gary W.

 =C2=A0

 =C2=A0

On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 5:11=E2=80=AFPM Bill Waite <[email-masked]=
> wrote:

In earlier emails on the above subject, Ron Fraser has stated "Norm Miller =
states BARCAST" and "Another believes it is DARCAST =E2=80=93 this is a UK =
Foundry that cast many exhaust manifold for British cars."=C2=A0

 =C2=A0

The "another" person Ron Fraser is referring to is me, Bill Waite (Tiger / =
Alpine owner since 1978).=C2=A0 I have uncovered additional information tod=
ay which confirms (100% in my opinion) that the logo on the Tiger's RT Exha=
ust Manifold is DARCAST.

 =C2=A0

Ron said "We are looking for photo proof or written proof to seal this case=
."=C2=A0 Hopefully the following information will include enough proof.

 =C2=A0

1.=C2=A0 Ends up that from 1915 through 1980 there was a company named "Dar=
tmouth Auto Castings" located in Smethwick (UK).=C2=A0 In later years that =
company operated three (3) separate foundries. It ends up that Darcast was =
not the name of any foundry.=C2=A0 Rather Dartmouth Auto Castings used the =
DART in Dartmouth and the CAST in Castings to create its logo: DarCast.

2.=C2=A0 An October 1951 print advertisement (attached to this message) cle=
arly shows the Darcast logo.=C2=A0 Also attached is another print ad from 1=
965.=C2=A0 =C2=A0That ad lists the type of castings they produced.

 =C2=A0

3.=C2=A0 On the unique Tiger manifold, there is a number "DA21120."=C2=A0 I=
 looked at some of the other exhaust manifolds the company produced, and th=
ey also have unique identifiers starting with "DA."=C2=A0 I submit: "DA" wa=
s likely used as the prefix of "Dartmouth Auto" part numbers.

 =C2=A0

4.=C2=A0 Separately, to the best of my knowledge, no one has ever posted a =
photograph of the RT side exhaust manifold with "Barcast" in the logo.

 =C2=A0

I intend to add the above information to the thread I started on the C.A.T.=
 Forum.=C2=A0 The link to that thread follows:=C2=A0=C2=A0https://www.catmb=
r.org/cat-forum/threads/questions-regarding-original-rt-side-exhaust-header=
.8891/

 =C2=A0

Best Regards,

 =C2=A0

Bill Waite

 =C2=A0

 =C2=A0

 =C2=A0

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etdir=3D"false"><span>Because Ford didn't make a manifold for the right sid=
e that didn't shoot straight back into the firewall.</span></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><span><br></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data=
-setdir=3D"false"><span>David<br></span></div></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
data-setdir=3D"false"><span><br></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=
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                        On Friday, July 5, 2024 at 07:40:24 PM PDT, Gary Wi=
nblad &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
                    </div>
                    <div><br></div>
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                <div><div id=3D"ydpca456f4byiv8130754391"><div>I am curious=
 why the Ford manifold needed<div>to be changed?</div><div>Gary W</div><div=
><br clear=3D"none" id=3D"ydpca456f4byiv8130754391lineBreakAtBeginningOfSig=
nature"><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div id=3D"ydpca456f4byiv=
8130754391yqt53978" class=3D"ydpca456f4byiv8130754391yqt5264023099"><div di=
r=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Jul 5, 2024, at 4=
:53=E2=80=AFPM, Ron Fraser &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"=
none"><br clear=3D"none"></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div =
dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF</div></blockquote></div></div></div><div id=3D"ydpca4=
56f4byiv8130754391yqt75316" class=3D"ydpca456f4byiv8130754391yqt5264023099"=
><div><div class=3D"ydpca456f4byiv8130754391WordSection1"><p class=3D"ydpca=
456f4byiv8130754391MsoNormal">The Mk II part number changed to 1236160.&nbs=
p;&nbsp; I think this is just an updated number but it needs to be explored=
.</p><p class=3D"ydpca456f4byiv8130754391MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"=
ydpca456f4byiv8130754391MsoNormal">Anyone have a picture of the Mk II Rt ex=
haust manifold?</p><p class=3D"ydpca456f4byiv8130754391MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</=
p><p class=3D"ydpca456f4byiv8130754391MsoNormal">Ron Fraser</p><p class=3D"=
ydpca456f4byiv8130754391MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydpca456f4byiv813=
0754391MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Gary Winblad &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <=
br clear=3D"none"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 04, 2024 9:29 PM<br clear=3D"=
none"><b>To:</b> Bill Waite &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=3D"no=
ne"><b>Cc:</b> [email-masked]; Ron Fraser &lt;[email-masked]&g=
t;; Allan Ballard &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; [email-masked]<br =
clear=3D"none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Rt exhaust manifold</p><p class=
=3D"ydpca456f4byiv8130754391MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><div><div><p class=3D"ydp=
ca456f4byiv8130754391MsoNormal">Same exact logo.&nbsp; It was DARCAST, no q=
uestion.</p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpca456f4byiv8130754391MsoNormal">Gary =
W.</p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpca456f4byiv8130754391MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>=
</div></div><p class=3D"ydpca456f4byiv8130754391MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><div>=
<div><p class=3D"ydpca456f4byiv8130754391MsoNormal">On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at =
5:11=E2=80=AFPM Bill Waite &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:fordlandia@=
sbcglobal.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]<=
/a>&gt; wrote:</p></div><blockquote style=3D"border-width: medium medium me=
dium 1pt; border-style: none none none solid; border-color: currentcolor cu=
rrentcolor currentcolor rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margi=
n-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in;"><div><div><div><p class=3D"ydpca456f4byi=
v8130754391MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-seri=
f;">In earlier emails on the above subject, Ron Fraser has stated "<span st=
yle=3D"color:#26282A;">Norm Miller states BARCAST" and "Another believes it=
 is DARCAST =E2=80=93 this is a UK Foundry that cast many exhaust manifold =
for British cars."</span>&nbsp;</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpca456f4=
byiv8130754391MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-s=
erif;"> &nbsp;</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpca456f4byiv8130754391Mso=
Normal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">The "anoth=
er" person Ron Fraser is referring to is me, Bill Waite (Tiger / Alpine own=
er since 1978).&nbsp; I have uncovered additional information today which c=
onfirms (100% in my opinion) that the logo on the Tiger's RT Exhaust Manifo=
ld is <b>DARCAST</b>.</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpca456f4byiv813075=
4391MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"> &n=
bsp;</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpca456f4byiv8130754391MsoNormal"><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">Ron said "We are loo=
king for photo proof or written proof to seal this case."&nbsp; Hopefully t=
he following information will include enough proof.</span></p></div><div><p=
 class=3D"ydpca456f4byiv8130754391MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0p=
t;font-family:sans-serif;"> &nbsp;</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpca45=
6f4byiv8130754391MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:san=
s-serif;">1.&nbsp; Ends up that from 1915 through 1980 there was a company =
named "<b>Dartmouth Auto Castings</b>" located in Smethwick (UK).&nbsp; In =
later years that company operated three (3) separate foundries. It ends up =
that Darcast was not the name of any foundry.&nbsp; Rather Dartmouth Auto C=
astings used the<b> DART</b> in Dartmouth and the <b>CAST</b> in Castings t=
o create its logo: <b>DarCast</b>.</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpca45=
6f4byiv8130754391MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:san=
s-serif;"><br clear=3D"none">2.&nbsp; An October 1951 print advertisement (=
attached to this message) clearly shows the Darcast logo.&nbsp; Also attach=
ed is another print ad from 1965.&nbsp; &nbsp;That ad lists the type of cas=
tings they produced.</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpca456f4byiv8130754=
391MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"> &nb=
sp;</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpca456f4byiv8130754391MsoNormal"><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">3.&nbsp; On the uniqu=
e Tiger manifold, there is a number "DA21120."&nbsp; I looked at some of th=
e other exhaust manifolds the company produced, and they also have unique i=
dentifiers starting with "DA."&nbsp; I submit: "<b>DA</b>" was likely used =
as the prefix of "<b>D</b>artmouth <b>A</b>uto" part numbers.</span></p></d=
iv><div><p class=3D"ydpca456f4byiv8130754391MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-=
size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"> &nbsp;</span></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"ydpca456f4byiv8130754391MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font=
-family:sans-serif;">4.&nbsp; Separately, to the best of my knowledge, no o=
ne has ever posted a photograph of the RT side exhaust manifold with "Barca=
st" in the logo.</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpca456f4byiv8130754391M=
soNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"> &nbsp;<=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpca456f4byiv8130754391MsoNormal"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">I intend to add the above=
 information to the thread I started on the C.A.T. Forum.&nbsp; The link to=
 that thread follows:&nbsp;&nbsp;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"https://www.catm=
br.org/cat-forum/threads/questions-regarding-original-rt-side-exhaust-heade=
r.8891/" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">https://www.catmbr.org/cat-foru=
m/threads/questions-regarding-original-rt-side-exhaust-header.8891/</a></sp=
an></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpca456f4byiv8130754391MsoNormal"><span styl=
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Gary

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The Tiger engine needs a RT exhaust manifold that mirrors the LT exhaust =
manifold and avoids the engine mount.

=20

1964 Ford stock RT exhaust manifold

>From Bob Mannel=E2=80=99s book pg.4-36

=20

Tiger RT exhaust manifold with choke heat riser

=20

Photo from Bill Waite

=20

Ron Fraser

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=20

From: Gary Winblad <[email-masked]>=20
Sent: Friday, July 05, 2024 9:04 PM
To: Ron Fraser <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rt exhaust manifold

=20

I am curious why the Ford manifold needed

to be changed?

Gary W

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Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 5, 2024, at 4:53=E2=80=AFPM, Ron Fraser <[email-masked] =

=EF=BB=BF

The Mk II part number changed to 1236160.   I think this is just an =
updated number but it needs to be explored.

=20

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Ron Fraser

=20

Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2024 9:29 PM
To: Bill Waite <[email-masked] =
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rt exhaust manifold

=20

Same exact logo.  It was DARCAST, no question.

Gary W.

=20

=20

On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 5:11=E2=80=AFPM Bill Waite =

In earlier emails on the above subject, Ron Fraser has stated "Norm =
Miller states BARCAST" and "Another believes it is DARCAST =E2=80=93 =
this is a UK Foundry that cast many exhaust manifold for British cars."=20

=20

The "another" person Ron Fraser is referring to is me, Bill Waite (Tiger =
/ Alpine owner since 1978).  I have uncovered additional information =
today which confirms (100% in my opinion) that the logo on the Tiger's =
RT Exhaust Manifold is DARCAST.

=20

Ron said "We are looking for photo proof or written proof to seal this =
case."  Hopefully the following information will include enough proof.

=20

1.  Ends up that from 1915 through 1980 there was a company named =
"Dartmouth Auto Castings" located in Smethwick (UK).  In later years =
that company operated three (3) separate foundries. It ends up that =
Darcast was not the name of any foundry.  Rather Dartmouth Auto Castings =
used the DART in Dartmouth and the CAST in Castings to create its logo: =
DarCast.

2.  An October 1951 print advertisement (attached to this message) =
clearly shows the Darcast logo.  Also attached is another print ad from =
1965.   That ad lists the type of castings they produced.

=20

3.  On the unique Tiger manifold, there is a number "DA21120."  I looked =
at some of the other exhaust manifolds the company produced, and they =
also have unique identifiers starting with "DA."  I submit: "DA" was =
likely used as the prefix of "Dartmouth Auto" part numbers.

=20

4.  Separately, to the best of my knowledge, no one has ever posted a =
photograph of the RT side exhaust manifold with "Barcast" in the logo.

=20

I intend to add the above information to the thread I started on the =
C.A.T. Forum.  The link to that thread follows:   =
<https://www.catmbr.org/cat-forum/threads/questions-regarding-original-rt=
-side-exhaust-header.8891/> =
https://www.catmbr.org/cat-forum/threads/questions-regarding-original-rt-=
side-exhaust-header.8891/

=20

Best Regards,

=20

Bill Waite

=20

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Gary<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>The Tiger =
engine needs a RT exhaust manifold that mirrors the LT exhaust manifold =
and avoids the engine mount.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>1964 Ford =
stock RT exhaust manifold<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><img =
width=3D671 height=3D266 style=3D'width:6.9895in;height:2.7708in' =
id=3D"Picture_x0020_1" =
src=3D"cid:[email-masked]"><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>From Bob Mannel=E2=80=99s book =
pg.4-36<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Tiger RT exhaust manifold with choke heat =
riser<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><img width=3D672 height=3D379 =
style=3D'width:7.0in;height:3.9479in' id=3D"Picture_x0020_2" =
src=3D"cid:[email-masked]"><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Photo from Bill Waite<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Ron =
Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Gary Winblad =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 05, 2024 =
9:04 PM<br><b>To:</b> Ron Fraser =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Rt exhaust =
manifold<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I am curious =
why the Ford manifold needed<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>to =
be changed?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Gary =
W<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Sent =
from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On Jul 5, 2024, at 4:53=E2=80=AFPM, Ron =
Fraser &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>=EF=BB=BF<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>The Mk II =
part number changed to 1236160.&nbsp;&nbsp; I think this is just an =
updated number but it needs to be explored.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Anyone have =
a picture of the Mk II Rt exhaust manifold?<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Ron =
Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Gary Winblad &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 04, 2024 9:29 PM<br><b>To:</b> Bill =
Waite &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
<br><b>Cc:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>; Ron =
Fraser &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; Allan =
Ballard &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; =
<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br><b>Sub=
ject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Rt exhaust manifold<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Same exact logo.&nbsp; It was DARCAST, no =
question.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Gary =
W.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 5:11=E2=80=AFPM Bill Waite &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
 wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>In earlier =
emails on the above subject, Ron Fraser has stated &quot;<span =
style=3D'color:#26282A'>Norm Miller states BARCAST&quot; and =
&quot;Another believes it is DARCAST =E2=80=93 this is a UK Foundry that =
cast many exhaust manifold for British =
cars.&quot;</span>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>&nbsp;</spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>The =
&quot;another&quot; person Ron Fraser is referring to is me, Bill Waite =
(Tiger / Alpine owner since 1978).&nbsp; I have uncovered additional =
information today which confirms (100% in my opinion) that the logo on =
the Tiger's RT Exhaust Manifold is =
<b>DARCAST</b>.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>&nbsp;</spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Ron said =
&quot;We are looking for photo proof or written proof to seal this =
case.&quot;&nbsp; Hopefully the following information will include =
enough proof.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>&nbsp;</spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>1.&nbsp; =
Ends up that from 1915 through 1980 there was a company named =
&quot;<b>Dartmouth Auto Castings</b>&quot; located in Smethwick =
(UK).&nbsp; In later years that company operated three (3) separate =
foundries. It ends up that Darcast was not the name of any =
foundry.&nbsp; Rather Dartmouth Auto Castings used the<b> DART</b> in =
Dartmouth and the <b>CAST</b> in Castings to create its logo: =
<b>DarCast</b>.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><br>2.&nbsp=
; An October 1951 print advertisement (attached to this message) clearly =
shows the Darcast logo.&nbsp; Also attached is another print ad from =
1965.&nbsp; &nbsp;That ad lists the type of castings they =
produced.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>&nbsp;</spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>3.&nbsp; =
On the unique Tiger manifold, there is a number =
&quot;DA21120.&quot;&nbsp; I looked at some of the other exhaust =
manifolds the company produced, and they also have unique identifiers =
starting with &quot;DA.&quot;&nbsp; I submit: &quot;<b>DA</b>&quot; was =
likely used as the prefix of &quot;<b>D</b>artmouth <b>A</b>uto&quot; =
part numbers.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>&nbsp;</spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>4.&nbsp; =
Separately, to the best of my knowledge, no one has ever posted a =
photograph of the RT side exhaust manifold with &quot;Barcast&quot; in =
the logo.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>&nbsp;</spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>I intend =
to add the above information to the thread I started on the C.A.T. =
Forum.&nbsp; The link to that thread follows:&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"https://www.catmbr.org/cat-forum/threads/questions-regarding-orig=
inal-rt-side-exhaust-header.8891/" target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>https://www=
.catmbr.org/cat-forum/threads/questions-regarding-original-rt-side-exhaus=
t-header.8891/</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>&nbsp;</spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Best =
Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>&nbsp;</spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Bill =
Waite</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>&nbsp;</spa=
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Thanks guys.
Ford had the rear exit manifold for the driver side too, I thought they
would have something with down exit for the passenger side too.
Especially since they sold those engines for industrial use.
Gary W.

On Sat, Jul 6, 2024 at 5:56=E2=80=AFAM Ron Fraser <[email-masked]> wr=
ote:

> Gary
>
>
>
> The Tiger engine needs a RT exhaust manifold that mirrors the LT exhaust
> *From:* Gary Winblad <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* Friday, July 05, 2024 9:04 PM
> *To:* Ron Fraser <[email-masked]>
> *Cc:* [email-masked]
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Rt exhaust manifold
>
>
>
> On Jul 5, 2024, at 4:53=E2=80=AFPM, Ron Fraser <[email-masked]> wro=
te:
>
> =EF=BB=BF
>
> The Mk II part number changed to 1236160.   I think this is just an
> *From:* Gary Winblad <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 04, 2024 9:29 PM
> *To:* Bill Waite <[email-masked]>
> *Cc:* [email-masked]; Ron Fraser <[email-masked]>; Allan
> Ballard <[email-masked]>; [email-masked]
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Rt exhaust manifold
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 5:11=E2=80=AFPM Bill Waite <[email-masked]=
et>
> wrote:
>
> In earlier emails on the above subject, Ron Fraser has stated "Norm
> Miller states BARCAST" and "Another believes it is DARCAST =E2=80=93 this=
 is a UK
> Foundry that cast many exhaust manifold for British cars."
>
>
>
/
> Alpine owner since 1978).  I have uncovered additional information today
> which confirms (100% in my opinion) that the logo on the Tiger's RT Exhau=
st
> Manifold is *DARCAST*.
>
>
>
> Ron said "We are looking for photo proof or written proof to seal this
> 1.  Ends up that from 1915 through 1980 there was a company named "*Dartm=
outh
> Auto Castings*" located in Smethwick (UK).  In later years that company
> operated three (3) separate foundries. It ends up that Darcast was not th=
e
> name of any foundry.  Rather Dartmouth Auto Castings used the* DART* in
> Dartmouth and the *CAST* in Castings to create its logo: *DarCast*.
>
>
> 2.  An October 1951 print advertisement (attached to this message) clearl=
y
> shows the Darcast logo.  Also attached is another print ad from 1965.
>  That ad lists the type of castings they produced.
>
>
>
> 3.  On the unique Tiger manifold, there is a number "DA21120."  I looked
> at some of the other exhaust manifolds the company produced, and they als=
o
> have unique identifiers starting with "DA."  I submit: "*DA*" was likely
> used as the prefix of "*D*artmouth *A*uto" part numbers.
>
>
>
> 4.  Separately, to the best of my knowledge, no one has ever posted a
> I intend to add the above information to the thread I started on the
> C.A.T. Forum.  The link to that thread follows:
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Thanks guys.</div><div>Ford had the rear exit manifol=
d for the driver side too, I thought they would have something with down ex=
it for the passenger side too.</div><div>Especially since they sold those e=
ngines for industrial use.</div><div>Gary W.</div><div><br></div></div><br>=
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Ju=
l 6, 2024 at 5:56=E2=80=AFAM Ron Fraser &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rfraser@bluef=
rog.com">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"=
gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(20=
4,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"msg7131148816323765965"><div lan=
g=3D"EN-US"><div class=3D"m_7131148816323765965WordSection1"><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal">Gary<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u><=
/p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">The Tiger engine needs a RT exhaust manifold that=
 mirrors the LT exhaust manifold and avoids the engine mount.<u></u><u></u>=
</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">1=
964 Ford stock RT exhaust manifold<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<img width=3D"671" height=3D"266" style=3D"width: 6.9895in; height: 2.7708i=
n;" id=3D"m_7131148816323765965Picture_x0020_1" src=3D"cid:ii_190884990fc4c=
e8e91"><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">From Bob Mannel=E2=80=99s b=
ook pg.4-36<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Tiger RT exhaust manifold with choke heat riser<u><=
/u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><img width=3D"672" height=3D"379" style=3D"width: 7in; height: 3.9=
479in;" id=3D"m_7131148816323765965Picture_x0020_2" src=3D"cid:ii_190884990=
fd692e332"><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Photo from Bill Waite<u=
></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal">Ron Fraser<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0=
<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div style=3D"border-width:1pt medium me=
dium;border-style:solid none none;border-color:rgb(225,225,225) currentcolo=
r currentcolor;padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Gar=
y Winblad &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">wi=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 05, 2024 9:04 PM<=
br><b>To:</b> Ron Fraser &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:Ti=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><br><b>Subj=
ect:</b> Re: [Tigers] Rt exhaust manifold<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I am curi=
ous why the Ford manifold needed<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l">to be changed?<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Gary W=
<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p=
><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sent from my iPhone<u></u><u></u></p></div><di=
v><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br><br><u></u><u></u></p><blockquote style=3D"mar=
gin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-botto=
m:12pt">On Jul 5, 2024, at 4:53=E2=80=AFPM, Ron Fraser &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrot=
e:<u></u><u></u></p></blockquote></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5pt;=
margin-bottom:5pt"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=EF=BB=BF<u></u><u></u></p><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal">The Mk II part number changed to 1236160.=C2=A0=C2=A0=
 I think this is just an updated number but it needs to be explored.<u></u>=
<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal">Anyone have a picture of the Mk II Rt exhaust manifold?<u></u><u></u>=
</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">R=
on Fraser<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Gary Winblad &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:winbl=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <br><b>Se=
nt:</b> Thursday, July 04, 2024 9:29 PM<br><b>To:</b> Bill Waite &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">fordlandia@sbcgloba=
l.net</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>; Ron Fraser &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rfr=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; Allan Ba=
llard &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">aball=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;; <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Rt ex=
haust manifold<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u>=
</p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Same exact logo.=C2=A0 It was DARCAST,=
 no question.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Gary W.<u>=
</u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></=
div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 5:11=E2=80=AFPM Bill Waite &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">fordlandia@sbcgloba=
l.net</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style=3D"border-wid=
th:medium medium medium 1pt;border-style:none none none solid;border-color:=
currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in=
 6pt;margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt"><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif">In ea=
rlier emails on the above subject, Ron Fraser has stated &quot;<span style=
=3D"color:rgb(38,40,42)">Norm Miller states BARCAST&quot; and &quot;Another=
 believes it is DARCAST =E2=80=93 this is a UK Foundry that cast many exhau=
st manifold for British cars.&quot;</span>=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p></=
div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&=
quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Helv=
etica&quot;,sans-serif">The &quot;another&quot; person Ron Fraser is referr=
ing to is me, Bill Waite (Tiger / Alpine owner since 1978).=C2=A0 I have un=
covered additional information today which confirms (100% in my opinion) th=
at the logo on the Tiger&#39;s RT Exhaust Manifold is <b>DARCAST</b>.</span=
><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif">=C2=A0</span><u></u><=
u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;f=
ont-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif">Ron said &quot;We are looking =
for photo proof or written proof to seal this case.&quot;=C2=A0 Hopefully t=
he following information will include enough proof.</span><u></u><u></u></p=
></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-famil=
y:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><d=
iv><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;H=
elvetica&quot;,sans-serif">1.=C2=A0 Ends up that from 1915 through 1980 the=
re was a company named &quot;<b>Dartmouth Auto Castings</b>&quot; located i=
n Smethwick (UK).=C2=A0 In later years that company operated three (3) sepa=
rate foundries. It ends up that Darcast was not the name of any foundry.=C2=
=A0 Rather Dartmouth Auto Castings used the<b> DART</b> in Dartmouth and th=
e <b>CAST</b> in Castings to create its logo: <b>DarCast</b>.</span><u></u>=
<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;=
font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif"><br>2.=C2=A0 An October 1951 =
print advertisement (attached to this message) clearly shows the Darcast lo=
go.=C2=A0 Also attached is another print ad from 1965.=C2=A0 =C2=A0That ad =
lists the type of castings they produced.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><di=
v><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;He=
lvetica&quot;,sans-serif">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&q=
uot;,sans-serif">3.=C2=A0 On the unique Tiger manifold, there is a number &=
quot;DA21120.&quot;=C2=A0 I looked at some of the other exhaust manifolds t=
he company produced, and they also have unique identifiers starting with &q=
uot;DA.&quot;=C2=A0 I submit: &quot;<b>DA</b>&quot; was likely used as the =
prefix of &quot;<b>D</b>artmouth <b>A</b>uto&quot; part numbers.</span><u><=
/u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10=
pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u=
></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-f=
amily:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif">4.=C2=A0 Separately, to the best of=
 my knowledge, no one has ever posted a photograph of the RT side exhaust m=
anifold with &quot;Barcast&quot; in the logo.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div=
><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quo=
t;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Helveti=
ca&quot;,sans-serif">I intend to add the above information to the thread I =
started on the C.A.T. Forum.=C2=A0 The link to that thread follows:=C2=A0=
=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"https://www.catmbr.org/cat-forum/threads/questions-=
regarding-original-rt-side-exhaust-header.8891/" target=3D"_blank"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif">https:/=
/www.catmbr.org/cat-forum/threads/questions-regarding-original-rt-side-exha=
ust-header.8891/</span></a><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-se=
rif">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=
 style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif">Best=
 Regards,</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif">=C2=A0=
</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif">Bill Waite</spa=
n><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif">=C2=A0</span><u></u>=
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ly:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif">=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><=
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Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2024 14:44:02 +0000 (UTC)

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In 1966, they made a different left manifold (for the Fairlane), but the ri=
ght side still went straight back.
The Tiger left manifold was for a Falcon, and wasn't used on the Mustangs.
I believe the Falcon had the =E2=80=9CTiger=E2=80=9D type, so the exhaust p=
ipe would clear the power steering ram.

David

Even the High Performance manifold went out the back.

    On Saturday, July 6, 2024 at 06:58:45 AM PDT, Gary Winblad <winbladgary=
@gmail.com> wrote: =20
=20
 Thanks guys.Ford had the rear exit manifold for the driver side too, I tho=
ught they would have something with down exit for the passenger side too.Es=
pecially since they sold those engines for industrial use.Gary W.

Gary

=C2=A0

The Tiger engine needs a RT exhaust manifold that mirrors the LT exhaust ma=
nifold and avoids the engine mount.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Photo from Bill Waite

=C2=A0

Ron Fraser

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

to be changed?

Gary W

=C2=A0

Sent from my iPhone

=EF=BB=BF

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Ron Fraser

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Gary W.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

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=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Best Regards,

=C2=A0

Bill Waite

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<html><head></head><body><div class=3D"ydp540053fdyahoo-style-wrap" style=
=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:18px=
;"><div></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><span class=3D"ydp6ad9=
94bfpasted-link">In 1966, they made a different left manifold (for the Fair=
lane), but the right side still went straight back.<br></span></div><div di=
r=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><span class=3D"ydp6ad994bfpasted-link">The =
Tiger left manifold was for a Falcon, and wasn't used on the Mustangs.<br><=
/span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><span class=3D"ydp6ad994=
bfpasted-link">I believe the Falcon had the =E2=80=9CTiger=E2=80=9D type, s=
o the exhaust pipe would clear the power steering ram.<br></span></div><div=
 dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><span class=3D"ydp6ad994bfpasted-link"><=
br></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><span class=3D"ydp6a=
d994bfpasted-link">David<br></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"fa=
lse"><span class=3D"ydp6ad994bfpasted-link"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"lt=
r" data-setdir=3D"false"><span class=3D"ydp6ad994bfpasted-link"><img src=3D=
"https://www.northeastclassicfordparts.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/P1340=
386-scaled.jpg" alt=3D"https://www.northeastclassicfordparts.com/wp-content=
/uploads/2023/12/P1340386-scaled.jpg" class=3D"ydp6ad994bfshrinkToFit" styl=
e=3D"width: 50%; max-width: 400px;"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-=
setdir=3D"false"><span class=3D"ydp6ad994bfpasted-link"><br></span></div><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><span class=3D"ydp6ad994bfpasted-link"=
>Even the High Performance manifold went out the back.<br></span></div><div=
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                        On Saturday, July 6, 2024 at 06:58:45 AM PDT, Gary =
Winblad &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
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                <div><div id=3D"ydpb1c17383yiv8640550817"><div><div dir=3D"=
ltr"><div>Thanks guys.</div><div>Ford had the rear exit manifold for the dr=
iver side too, I thought they would have something with down exit for the p=
assenger side too.</div><div>Especially since they sold those engines for i=
ndustrial use.</div><div>Gary W.</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div></div><=
br clear=3D"none"><div id=3D"ydpb1c17383yiv8640550817yqt04157" class=3D"ydp=
b1c17383yiv8640550817yqt1628328345"><div class=3D"ydpb1c17383yiv8640550817g=
mail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"ydpb1c17383yiv8640550817gmail_attr">O=
n Sat, Jul 6, 2024 at 5:56=E2=80=AFAM Ron Fraser &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">rfraser=
@bluefrog.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"></div><blockquote style=3D"m=
argin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left=
:1ex;" class=3D"ydpb1c17383yiv8640550817gmail_quote"><div class=3D"ydpb1c17=
383yiv8640550817msg7131148816323765965"><div lang=3D"EN-US"><div class=3D"y=
dpb1c17383yiv8640550817m_7131148816323765965WordSection1"><p class=3D"ydpb1=
c17383yiv8640550817MsoNormal">Gary<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"ydpb1c17383=
yiv8640550817MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p><p class=3D"ydpb1c17383yiv8=
640550817MsoNormal">The Tiger engine needs a RT exhaust manifold that mirro=
rs the LT exhaust manifold and avoids the engine mount.<u></u><u></u></p><p=
 class=3D"ydpb1c17383yiv8640550817MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p><p cla=
ss=3D"ydpb1c17383yiv8640550817MsoNormal">1964 Ford stock RT exhaust manifol=
d<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"ydpb1c17383yiv8640550817MsoNormal"><img id=
=3D"ydpb1c17383yiv8640550817m_7131148816323765965Picture_x0020_1" style=3D"=
width: 671px; max-width: 671px;" src=3D"cid:fbNmSVUahZO7n7s68HM7" data-inli=
neimagemanipulating=3D"true"><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"ydpb1c17383yiv86=
40550817MsoNormal">From Bob Mannel=E2=80=99s book pg.4-36<u></u><u></u></p>=
<p class=3D"ydpb1c17383yiv8640550817MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p><p c=
lass=3D"ydpb1c17383yiv8640550817MsoNormal">Tiger RT exhaust manifold with c=
hoke heat riser<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"ydpb1c17383yiv8640550817MsoNor=
mal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p><p class=3D"ydpb1c17383yiv8640550817MsoNormal"=
><img id=3D"ydpb1c17383yiv8640550817m_7131148816323765965Picture_x0020_2" s=
tyle=3D"width: 672px; max-width: 672px;" src=3D"cid:D4TbeWNC7zXq55twyIhy" d=
ata-inlineimagemanipulating=3D"true"><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"ydpb1c17=
383yiv8640550817MsoNormal">Photo from Bill Waite<u></u><u></u></p><p class=
=3D"ydpb1c17383yiv8640550817MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p><p class=3D"=
ydpb1c17383yiv8640550817MsoNormal">Ron Fraser<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"=
ydpb1c17383yiv8640550817MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p><p class=3D"ydpb=
1c17383yiv8640550817MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p><p class=3D"ydpb1c17=
383yiv8640550817MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p><div><div style=3D"borde=
r-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;border-color:rgb(225=
,225,225) currentcolor currentcolor;padding:3pt 0in 0in;"><p class=3D"ydpb1=
c17383yiv8640550817MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Gary Winblad &lt;<a shape=3D"rec=
t" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank"=
>[email-masked]</a>&gt; <br clear=3D"none"><b>Sent:</b> Friday, July=
 05, 2024 9:04 PM<br clear=3D"none"><b>To:</b> Ron Fraser &lt;<a shape=3D"r=
ect" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank=
">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none"><b>Cc:</b> <a shape=3D"rec=
t" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank"=
>[email-masked]</a><br clear=3D"none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] R=
t exhaust manifold<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class=3D"ydpb1c17383yiv8=
640550817MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p><p class=3D"ydpb1c17383yiv86405=
50817MsoNormal">I am curious why the Ford manifold needed<u></u><u></u></p>=
<div><p class=3D"ydpb1c17383yiv8640550817MsoNormal">to be changed?<u></u><u=
></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpb1c17383yiv8640550817MsoNormal">Gary W<u=
></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpb1c17383yiv8640550817MsoNormal"><=
u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p><div><p class=3D"ydpb1c17383yiv8640550817MsoNormal">=
Sent from my iPhone<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpb1c17383yiv8=
640550817MsoNormal"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><u></u><u></u></p=
><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt;"><p style=3D"margin=
-bottom:12pt;" class=3D"ydpb1c17383yiv8640550817MsoNormal">On Jul 5, 2024, =
at 4:53=E2=80=AFPM, Ron Fraser &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:rfraser=
@bluefrog.com" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&=
gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></blockquote></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-=
top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt;"><div><p class=3D"ydpb1c17383yiv8640550817MsoNor=
mal">=EF=BB=BF<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"ydpb1c17383yiv8640550817MsoNorm=
al">The Mk II part number changed to 1236160.&nbsp;&nbsp; I think this is j=
ust an updated number but it needs to be explored.<u></u><u></u></p><p clas=
s=3D"ydpb1c17383yiv8640550817MsoNormal">&nbsp;<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D=
"ydpb1c17383yiv8640550817MsoNormal">Anyone have a picture of the Mk II Rt e=
xhaust manifold?<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"ydpb1c17383yiv8640550817MsoNo=
rmal">&nbsp;<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"ydpb1c17383yiv8640550817MsoNormal=
">Ron Fraser<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"ydpb1c17383yiv8640550817MsoNormal=
">&nbsp;<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"ydpb1c17383yiv8640550817MsoNormal"><b=
>From:</b> Gary Winblad &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:winbladgary@gm=
ail.com" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <=
br clear=3D"none"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 04, 2024 9:29 PM<br clear=3D"=
none"><b>To:</b> Bill Waite &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:fordlandia=
@sbcglobal.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none"><b>Cc:</b> <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:tige=
[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
</a>; Ron Fraser &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=
 rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; Allan Bal=
lard &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"no=
follow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; <a shape=3D"rect"=
 href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">o=
[email-masked]</a><br clear=3D"none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Rt =
exhaust manifold<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"ydpb1c17383yiv8640550817MsoNo=
rmal">&nbsp;<u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"ydpb1c17383yiv864055081=
7MsoNormal">Same exact logo.&nbsp; It was DARCAST, no question.<u></u><u></=
u></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpb1c17383yiv8640550817MsoNormal">Gary W.<u><=
/u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpb1c17383yiv8640550817MsoNormal">&nb=
sp;<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class=3D"ydpb1c17383yiv8640550817MsoNor=
mal">&nbsp;<u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"ydpb1c17383yiv8640550817=
MsoNormal">On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 5:11=E2=80=AFPM Bill Waite &lt;<a shape=
=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div>=
<blockquote style=3D"border-width:medium medium medium 1pt;border-style:non=
e none none solid;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(2=
04,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt;"><div><div><d=
iv><p class=3D"ydpb1c17383yiv8640550817MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10pt;font-family:sans-serif;">In earlier emails on the above subject, Ron F=
raser has stated "<span style=3D"color:rgb(38,40,42);">Norm Miller states B=
ARCAST" and "Another believes it is DARCAST =E2=80=93 this is a UK Foundry =
that cast many exhaust manifold for British cars."</span>&nbsp;</span><u></=
u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpb1c17383yiv8640550817MsoNormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif;">&nbsp;</span><u></u><u><=
/u></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpb1c17383yiv8640550817MsoNormal"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif;">The "another" person Ron Frase=
r is referring to is me, Bill Waite (Tiger / Alpine owner since 1978).&nbsp=
; I have uncovered additional information today which confirms (100% in my =
opinion) that the logo on the Tiger's RT Exhaust Manifold is <b>DARCAST</b>=
.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpb1c17383yiv8640550817Ms=
oNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif;">&nbsp;</spa=
n><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpb1c17383yiv8640550817MsoNorma=
l"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif;">Ron said "We are =
looking for photo proof or written proof to seal this case."&nbsp; Hopefull=
y the following information will include enough proof.</span><u></u><u></u>=
</p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpb1c17383yiv8640550817MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif;">&nbsp;</span><u></u><u></u></p>=
</div><div><p class=3D"ydpb1c17383yiv8640550817MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fo=
nt-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif;">1.&nbsp; Ends up that from 1915 throu=
gh 1980 there was a company named "<b>Dartmouth Auto Castings</b>" located =
in Smethwick (UK).&nbsp; In later years that company operated three (3) sep=
arate foundries. It ends up that Darcast was not the name of any foundry.&n=
bsp; Rather Dartmouth Auto Castings used the<b> DART</b> in Dartmouth and t=
he <b>CAST</b> in Castings to create its logo: <b>DarCast</b>.</span><u></u=
><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpb1c17383yiv8640550817MsoNormal"><span=
 style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif;"><br clear=3D"none">2.&nbs=
p; An October 1951 print advertisement (attached to this message) clearly s=
hows the Darcast logo.&nbsp; Also attached is another print ad from 1965.&n=
bsp; &nbsp;That ad lists the type of castings they produced.</span><u></u><=
u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpb1c17383yiv8640550817MsoNormal"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif;">&nbsp;</span><u></u><u></u>=
</p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpb1c17383yiv8640550817MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif;">3.&nbsp; On the unique Tiger ma=
nifold, there is a number "DA21120."&nbsp; I looked at some of the other ex=
haust manifolds the company produced, and they also have unique identifiers=
 starting with "DA."&nbsp; I submit: "<b>DA</b>" was likely used as the pre=
fix of "<b>D</b>artmouth <b>A</b>uto" part numbers.</span><u></u><u></u></p=
></div><div><p class=3D"ydpb1c17383yiv8640550817MsoNormal"><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif;">&nbsp;</span><u></u><u></u></p></div=
><div><p class=3D"ydpb1c17383yiv8640550817MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10pt;font-family:sans-serif;">4.&nbsp; Separately, to the best of my kno=
wledge, no one has ever posted a photograph of the RT side exhaust manifold=
 with "Barcast" in the logo.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D=
"ydpb1c17383yiv8640550817MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-fami=
ly:sans-serif;">&nbsp;</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpb1=
c17383yiv8640550817MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:san=
s-serif;">I intend to add the above information to the thread I started on =
the C.A.T. Forum.&nbsp; The link to that thread follows:&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>=
<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"https://www.catmbr.org/cat-forum/threads/question=
s-regarding-original-rt-side-exhaust-header.8891/" rel=3D"nofollow" target=
=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif;">https://=
www.catmbr.org/cat-forum/threads/questions-regarding-original-rt-side-exhau=
st-header.8891/</span></a><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpb1c17=
383yiv8640550817MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-s=
erif;">&nbsp;</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpb1c17383yiv=
8640550817MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif;"=
>Best Regards,</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpb1c17383yi=
v8640550817MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif;=
">&nbsp;</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpb1c17383yiv86405=
50817MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif;">Bill=
 Waite</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpb1c17383yiv8640550=
817MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif;">&nbsp;=
</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpb1c17383yiv8640550817Mso=
Normal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif;">&nbsp;</span=
><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpb1c17383yiv8640550817MsoNormal=
"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif;">&nbsp;</span><u></=
u><u></u></p></div></div></div></blockquote></div><p style=3D"margin-bottom=
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