Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch Master cylinder

From: GARY WINBLAD <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2023 22:52:52 -0400 (EDT)

I have it on good authority(Paul Reisentz) that Tigers never came with the return spring.

When I bought B94790622 in 1971 it already had one.

If you don't have a return spring, you have a self-adjusting clutch which IIRC the shop manual says
it is..?
Mine has a hole punched in the frame rail for the spring, no tab, rivets or anything.  My spring is
much lighter than the ones Paul used to install but has always worked fine for me.
Gary

> On 10/21/2023 12:16 PM PDT H B Elam via Tigers <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
>  
> On both B382002021 & B382000471 there was 1) a hole on the clutch actuating arm and 2) a tab pop riveted to the driver side frame rail with a suitable sized hole. The two allowed an external spring to be connected between them to assist in fully returning the piston to the fully returned position against the piston dome.
> B382002027 came with the spring and was never any problem.
> 
> B382000471 did not have the spring and had a screaming throw out bearing when the clutch was engaged on the entire trip in 1983 from Arizona to Virginia. Without determining the cause, I replaced the throw out bearing while doing other engine work. Years later in 1991 on a vacation trip the bearing began screaming again. This time I remembered the spring and found a suitable replacement. To date there has never been another problem in another 20K miles driving.
> 
> I have official parts listing books for all Tigers. I am also TAC inspector #37. Never have I found a part list that included the spring and only rarely have I found a spring or pop riveted tab installed during a TAC.
> 
> Harry Elam
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From: Will Seay via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2023 11:17:23 -0400

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B382001570 came with a spring

Will - 382001570
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On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 10:52=E2=80=AFPM GARY WINBLAD <garywinblad@comcast.=
net>
wrote:

> I have it on good authority(Paul Reisentz) that Tigers never came with th=
e
> return spring.
> much lighter than the ones Paul used to install but has always worked fin=
e
> for me.
> > On both B382002021 & B382000471 there was 1) a hole on the clutch
> actuating arm and 2) a tab pop riveted to the driver side frame rail with=
 a
> suitable sized hole. The two allowed an external spring to be connected
> between them to assist in fully returning the piston to the fully returne=
d
> position against the piston dome.
> > B382000471 did not have the spring and had a screaming throw out bearin=
g
> when the clutch was engaged on the entire trip in 1983 from Arizona to
> Virginia. Without determining the cause, I replaced the throw out bearing
> while doing other engine work. Years later in 1991 on a vacation trip the
> bearing began screaming again. This time I remembered the spring and foun=
d
> a suitable replacement. To date there has never been another problem in
> another 20K miles driving.
> >
> > I have official parts listing books for all Tigers. I am also TAC
> inspector #37. Never have I found a part list that included the spring an=
d
> only rarely have I found a spring or pop riveted tab installed during a T=
AC.
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">B38=
2001570 came with a spring</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-=
size:small"><br></div><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" data-=
smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr">Will - 382001570 <br><a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</=
a></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"lt=
r" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 10:52=E2=80=AFPM GARY WINBL=
AD &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</=
a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0p=
x 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I =
have it on good authority(Paul Reisentz) that Tigers never came with the re=
turn spring.<br>
<br>
When I bought B94790622 in 1971 it already had one.<br>
<br>
If you don&#39;t have a return spring, you have a self-adjusting clutch whi=
ch IIRC the shop manual says<br>
it is..?<br>
Mine has a hole punched in the frame rail for the spring, no tab, rivets or=
 anything.=C2=A0 My spring is<br>
much lighter than the ones Paul used to install but has always worked fine =
for me.<br>
Gary<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
&gt; On 10/21/2023 12:16 PM PDT H B Elam via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:t=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote=
:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;=C2=A0 <br>
&gt; On both B382002021 &amp; B382000471 there was 1) a hole on the clutch =
actuating arm and 2) a tab pop riveted to the driver side frame rail with a=
 suitable sized hole. The two allowed an external spring to be connected be=
tween them to assist in fully returning the piston to the fully returned po=
sition against the piston dome.<br>
&gt; B382002027 came with the spring and was never any problem.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; B382000471 did not have the spring and had a screaming throw out beari=
ng when the clutch was engaged on the entire trip in 1983 from Arizona to V=
irginia. Without determining the cause, I replaced the throw out bearing wh=
ile doing other engine work. Years later in 1991 on a vacation trip the bea=
ring began screaming again. This time I remembered the spring and found a s=
uitable replacement. To date there has never been another problem in anothe=
r 20K miles driving.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I have official parts listing books for all Tigers. I am also TAC insp=
ector #37. Never have I found a part list that included the spring and only=
 rarely have I found a spring or pop riveted tab installed during a TAC.<br=
&gt; <br>
&gt; Harry Elam<br>
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