Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Tigers eng removal

From: Lance Beauchamp via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2021 09:22:20 -0500

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I've had my midnight blue Tiger 35 years now, and when I did my eng over it
came out the bottom. Much easier especially when reinstalling a fresh eng
into a newly  painted compartment which will also be Midnight blue.
My car is presently being totally refreshed,  good luck and have fun.  Beau

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Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2021 02:14:47 +0000
From: steve wick <[email-masked]>
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Subject: [Tigers] Engine removal/ paint questions
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This will be a long post, so please bear with me. I've had my Tiger for 20
years, but only drove it occasionally. I had constant problems with the
wiring and fuel system that left me stranded several times. The last 10
years or so, I haven't driven it more than 100 miles per year, mainly due
to work, health issues, time and the unreliability issue. I plan on going
through my Tiger this winter, updating the wiring harness and, as a bonus,
getting it ready to go back to the original paint color (Midnight Blue)
throughout the car. As part of that, I was going to pull the engine and
transmission.
  First question. Is the engine compartment body color or black? My car was
completely repainted, inside and out, in the 70's to some shade of red that
now needs serious help. The engine compartment was painted black. I figure
if I'm going to repaint everything, I might as well do it right.
  Second question. I've heard of people pulling the engine from the top and
from the bottom. It's just me, and my bench-pressing days are way behind
me, so I won't be lifting the front of the car myself if I pull from the
bottom. I don't see a good place to attach a hoist. I have a 4-post car
lift, so can position the front of the car over the edge of the platform,
block up the frame under the A pillar and chain the rear frame rails down
and lift the whole car in the air, minus the front
crossmember/engine/tranny, or remove the transmission, strip the engine to
the block and heads and pull from the top. Which would be the best way, and
why?
  Last question. As long as the engine/tranny are out, I'm going to
"refresh" them. I'm a hot rodder at heart, but don't want to mess up a rare
car like a Tiger. I'm looking for something just to drive and have fun
with, without getting smoked by a Prius. I'm considering using a roller cam
302 and a 5 speed, because of the ZDDP issue, parts availability,
reliability, small boost in power, etc. How much do I hurt the value of the
car by having the original engine/tranny available but newer stuff
installed, vs. rebuilding the stock units?

Thanks guys. Looking forward to everyone's input and opinion.

Steve
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Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2021 00:02:32 -0500 (EST)
From: GARY WINBLAD <[email-masked]>
To: steve wick <[email-masked]>, steve wick via Tigers
        <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine removal/ paint questions

Steve,

Its a shame you couldn't get it reliable in 20 years...
A full restore is always nice though.
Engine compartment should be body color, my car was Midnight Blue too and
if I ever get around to it, I think I may go back to original too.
A 5.0/5speed transforms the car to a modern car. you won't wan to go back.
I just have a stock cam Mustang engine but its awesome fast
and loves to cruise  at 80 with good mileage.
I use my 4-post lift to drop the engine/tranny out the bottom, worked
slick.  I wouldn't try to hang it over the end though.
Gary

>     On 12/03/2021 9:14 PM steve wick via Tigers <[email-masked]>
wrote:
>
>
>     This will be a long post, so please bear with me. I've had my Tiger
for 20 years, but only drove it occasionally. I had constant problems with
the wiring and fuel system that left me stranded several times. The last 10
years or so, I haven't driven it more than 100 miles per year, mainly due
to work, health issues, time and the unreliability issue. I plan on going
through my Tiger this winter, updating the wiring harness and, as a bonus,
getting it ready to go back to the original paint color (Midnight Blue)
throughout the car. As part of that, I was going to pull the engine and
transmission.
>       First question. Is the engine compartment body color or black? My
car was completely repainted, inside and out, in the 70's to some shade of
red that now needs serious help. The engine compartment was painted black.
I figure if I'm going to repaint everything, I might as well do it right.
>       Second question. I've heard of people pulling the engine from the
top and from the bottom. It's just me, and my bench-pressing days are way
behind me, so I won't be lifting the front of the car myself if I pull from
the bottom. I don't see a good place to attach a hoist. I have a 4-post car
lift, so can position the front of the car over the edge of the platform,
block up the frame under the A pillar and chain the rear frame rails down
and lift the whole car in the air, minus the front
crossmember/engine/tranny, or remove the transmission, strip the engine to
the block and heads and pull from the top. Which would be the best way, and
why?
>       Last question. As long as the engine/tranny are out, I'm going to
"refresh" them. I'm a hot rodder at heart, but don't want to mess up a rare
car like a Tiger. I'm looking for something just to drive and have fun
with, without getting smoked by a Prius. I'm considering using a roller cam
302 and a 5 speed, because of the ZDDP issue, parts availability,
reliability, small boost in power, etc. How much do I hurt the value of the
car by having the original engine/tranny available but newer stuff
installed, vs. rebuilding the stock units?
>
>     Thanks guys. Looking forward to everyone's input and opinion.
>
>     Steve
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Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2021 05:29:12 +0000 (UTC)
From: Daniel Eiland <[email-masked]>
To: steve wick <[email-masked]>,  steve wick via Tigers
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Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine removal/ paint questions

Steve,
I'm sure there are more knowledgeable people on the list who can answer
your questions, but my input is free.
On question 1, when I owned my Tiger it was a one owner all original car,
so my response is based on my old car. The engine compartment was body
color. Entire car was painted body color.
Question 2, IIRC, the engine was mounted to the front suspension and they
dropped the car down onto the suspension. I've always read it was easier
and safer to do the same if you can. Since I never had to remove my engine
and tranny I'll have to leave this to someone more knowledgeable than me.
Question 3, I haven't noticed if a stock, original Tiger sells for any more
or less than one with an engine and transmission upgrade as long as all the
work looks like it was done at the factory. The best compromise is to stay
with bolt-on upgrades only and keep all the original parts and store them
properly. This way if you ever sell your car and a future owner wants to
return it to its original configuration they can easily unbolt your
modifications and bolt all the original parts back on the car.
Hope this helps a little.?
Dan Eiland?Ex Tiger Owner

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  On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 7:15 PM, steve wick via Tigers<
[email-masked]> wrote:    #yiv8173281967 P
{margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}This will be a long post, so please bear
with me. I've had my Tiger for 20 years, but only drove it occasionally. I
had constant problems with the wiring and fuel system that left me stranded
several times. The last 10 years or so, I haven't driven it more than 100
miles per year, mainly due to work, health issues, time and the
unreliability issue. I plan on going through my Tiger this winter, updating
the wiring harness and, as a bonus, getting it ready to go back to the
original paint color (Midnight Blue) throughout the car. As part of that, I
was going to pull the engine and transmission.?? First question. Is the
engine compartment body color or black? My car was completely repainted,
inside and out, in the 70's to some shade of red that now needs serious
help. The engine compartment was painted black. I figure if I'm going to
repaint everything
 , I might as well do it right.? Second question. I've heard of people
pulling the engine from the top and from the bottom. It's just me, and my
bench-pressing days are way behind me, so I won't be lifting the front of
the car myself if I pull from the bottom. I don't see a good place to
attach a hoist. I have a 4-post car lift, so can position the front of the
car over the edge of the platform, block up the frame under the A pillar
and chain the rear frame rails down and lift the whole car in the air,
minus the front crossmember/engine/tranny, or remove the transmission,
strip the engine to the block and heads and pull from the top. Which would
be the best way, and why?? Last question. As long as the engine/tranny are
out, I'm going to "refresh" them. I'm a hot rodder at heart, but don't want
to mess up a rare car like a Tiger. I'm looking for something just to drive
and have fun with, without getting smoked by a Prius. I'm considering using
a roller cam 302 and a 5 speed, because o
 f the ZDDP issue, parts availability, reliability, small boost in power,
etc. How much do I hurt the value of the car by having the original
engine/tranny available but newer stuff installed, vs. rebuilding the stock
units?
Thanks guys. Looking forward to everyone's input and opinion.
Steve_______________________________________________

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From: steve wick &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank=
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<br>
This will be a long post, so please bear with me. I&#39;ve had my Tiger for=
 20 years, but only drove it occasionally. I had constant problems with the=
 wiring and fuel system that left me stranded several times. The last 10 ye=
ars or so, I haven&#39;t driven it more than 100 miles per year, mainly due=
 to work, health issues, time and the unreliability issue. I plan on going =
through my Tiger this winter, updating the wiring harness and, as a bonus, =
getting it ready to go back to the original paint color (Midnight Blue) thr=
oughout the car. As part of that, I was going to pull the engine and transm=
ission.<br>
=C2=A0 First question. Is the engine compartment body color or black? My ca=
r was completely repainted, inside and out, in the 70&#39;s to some shade o=
f red that now needs serious help. The engine compartment was painted black=
. I figure if I&#39;m going to repaint everything, I might as well do it ri=
ght.<br>
=C2=A0 Second question. I&#39;ve heard of people pulling the engine from th=
e top and from the bottom. It&#39;s just me, and my bench-pressing days are=
 way behind me, so I won&#39;t be lifting the front of the car myself if I =
pull from the bottom. I don&#39;t see a good place to attach a hoist. I hav=
e a 4-post car lift, so can position the front of the car over the edge of =
the platform, block up the frame under the A pillar and chain the rear fram=
e rails down and lift the whole car in the air, minus the front crossmember=
/engine/tranny, or remove the transmission, strip the engine to the block a=
nd heads and pull from the top. Which would be the best way, and why?<br>
=C2=A0 Last question. As long as the engine/tranny are out, I&#39;m going t=
o &quot;refresh&quot; them. I&#39;m a hot rodder at heart, but don&#39;t wa=
nt to mess up a rare car like a Tiger. I&#39;m looking for something just t=
o drive and have fun with, without getting smoked by a Prius. I&#39;m consi=
dering using a roller cam 302 and a 5 speed, because of the ZDDP issue, par=
ts availability, reliability, small boost in power, etc. How much do I hurt=
 the value of the car by having the original engine/tranny available but ne=
wer stuff installed, vs. rebuilding the stock units?<br>
<br>
Thanks guys. Looking forward to everyone&#39;s input and opinion.<br>
<br>
Steve<br>
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To: steve wick &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;, steve wick via Tigers<br>
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finity.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">962540784.1423998.16385941=
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Steve,<br>
<br>
Its a shame you couldn&#39;t get it reliable in 20 years...<br>
A full restore is always nice though.<br>
Engine compartment should be body color, my car was Midnight Blue too and i=
f I ever get around to it, I think I may go back to original too.<br>
A 5.0/5speed transforms the car to a modern car. you won&#39;t wan to go ba=
ck.=C2=A0 I just have a stock cam Mustang engine but its awesome fast<br>
and loves to cruise=C2=A0 at 80 with good mileage.<br>
I use my 4-post lift to drop the engine/tranny out the bottom, worked slick=
.=C2=A0 I wouldn&#39;t try to hang it over the end though.<br>
Gary<br>
<br>
<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On 12/03/2021 9:14 PM steve wick via Tigers &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0This will be a long post, so please bear with me. I=
&#39;ve had my Tiger for 20 years, but only drove it occasionally. I had co=
nstant problems with the wiring and fuel system that left me stranded sever=
al times. The last 10 years or so, I haven&#39;t driven it more than 100 mi=
les per year, mainly due to work, health issues, time and the unreliability=
 issue. I plan on going through my Tiger this winter, updating the wiring h=
arness and, as a bonus, getting it ready to go back to the original paint c=
olor (Midnight Blue) throughout the car. As part of that, I was going to pu=
ll the engine and transmission. <br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0First question. Is the engine compartment bo=
dy color or black? My car was completely repainted, inside and out, in the =
70&#39;s to some shade of red that now needs serious help. The engine compa=
rtment was painted black. I figure if I&#39;m going to repaint everything, =
I might as well do it right.<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Second question. I&#39;ve heard of people pu=
lling the engine from the top and from the bottom. It&#39;s just me, and my=
 bench-pressing days are way behind me, so I won&#39;t be lifting the front=
 of the car myself if I pull from the bottom. I don&#39;t see a good place =
to attach a hoist. I have a 4-post car lift, so can position the front of t=
he car over the edge of the platform, block up the frame under the A pillar=
 and chain the rear frame rails down and lift the whole car in the air, min=
us the front crossmember/engine/tranny, or remove the transmission, strip t=
he engine to the block and heads and pull from the top. Which would be the =
best way, and why?<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Last question. As long as the engine/tranny =
are out, I&#39;m going to &quot;refresh&quot; them. I&#39;m a hot rodder at=
 heart, but don&#39;t want to mess up a rare car like a Tiger. I&#39;m look=
ing for something just to drive and have fun with, without getting smoked b=
y a Prius. I&#39;m considering using a roller cam 302 and a 5 speed, becaus=
e of the ZDDP issue, parts availability, reliability, small boost in power,=
 etc. How much do I hurt the value of the car by having the original engine=
/tranny available but newer stuff installed, vs. rebuilding the stock units=
?<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Thanks guys. Looking forward to everyone&#39;s inpu=
t and opinion.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Steve<br>
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Steve,<br>
I&#39;m sure there are more knowledgeable people on the list who can answer=
 your questions, but my input is free.<br>
On question 1, when I owned my Tiger it was a one owner all original car, s=
o my response is based on my old car. The engine compartment was body color=
. Entire car was painted body color.<br>
Question 2, IIRC, the engine was mounted to the front suspension and they d=
ropped the car down onto the suspension. I&#39;ve always read it was easier=
 and safer to do the same if you can. Since I never had to remove my engine=
 and tranny I&#39;ll have to leave this to someone more knowledgeable than =
me.<br>
Question 3, I haven&#39;t noticed if a stock, original Tiger sells for any =
more or less than one with an engine and transmission upgrade as long as al=
l the work looks like it was done at the factory. The best compromise is to=
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them properly. This way if you ever sell your car and a future owner wants =
to return it to its original configuration they can easily unbolt your modi=
fications and bolt all the original parts back on the car.<br>
Hope this helps a little.?<br>
Dan Eiland?Ex Tiger Owner<br>
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=C2=A0 On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 7:15 PM, steve wick via Tigers&lt;<a href=3D"=
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ople pulling the engine from the top and from the bottom. It&#39;s just me,=
 and my bench-pressing days are way behind me, so I won&#39;t be lifting th=
e front of the car myself if I pull from the bottom. I don&#39;t see a good=
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nt of the car over the edge of the platform, block up the frame under the A=
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ir, minus the front crossmember/engine/tranny, or remove the transmission, =
strip the engine to the block and heads and pull from the top. Which would =
be the best way, and why?? Last question. As long as the engine/tranny are =
out, I&#39;m going to &quot;refresh&quot; them. I&#39;m a hot rodder at hea=
rt, but don&#39;t want to mess up a rare car like a Tiger. I&#39;m looking =
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Steve,
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1.	The engine compartment color should be the body color.
2.	I=E2=80=99ve taken engines out dozens of times and out the bottom is =
the way to go. I normally take 2 of the front crossmember bolts out and =
thread them into the top inside the engine compartment after putting =
them through a link of large chain. Now you have something to lift with. =
While supporting the car via this chain and hoist, remove the other 2 =
crossmember bolts. Raise the car up leaving the crossmember (with the =
wheels still on it) on the ground. You=E2=80=99ll need to wiggle it as =
things are going up to get it clear. Once high enough, roll the =
crossmember out from under the car. Now lower the car back down until =
the engine rests on an engine dolly. Remove the motor mounts and =
anything else still attached leaving the transmission with the engine. =
Lift the body leaving the engine on the cradle. Roll the engine / =
transmission out the front.
3.	I drive my car a lot, usually 3,000 to 5,000 miles per year so I went =
with a non-stock approach. I still have my numbers matching 260 in a =
baggie in my garage but built a very nice 302 for my car. I also =
installed Dale=E2=80=99s 5-speed a couple of years ago. Transformed the =
car.
=20
Hope this helps,
=20
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         16048 Copen Meadow Dr
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             Cell - 410-599-5475
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From: Tigers <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Lance =
Beauchamp via Tigers
Sent: Saturday, December 4, 2021 9:22 AM
To: Tiger Club. Submission <[email-masked]>
Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Tigers eng removal
=20
I've had my midnight blue Tiger 35 years now, and when I did my eng over =
it came out the bottom. Much easier especially when reinstalling a fresh =
eng into a newly  painted compartment which will also be Midnight blue.
My car is presently being totally refreshed,  good luck and have fun.  =
Beau=20
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This will be a long post, so please bear with me. I've had my Tiger for =
20 years, but only drove it occasionally. I had constant problems with =
the wiring and fuel system that left me stranded several times. The last =
10 years or so, I haven't driven it more than 100 miles per year, mainly =
due to work, health issues, time and the unreliability issue. I plan on =
going through my Tiger this winter, updating the wiring harness and, as =
a bonus, getting it ready to go back to the original paint color =
(Midnight Blue) throughout the car. As part of that, I was going to pull =
the engine and transmission.
  First question. Is the engine compartment body color or black? My car =
was completely repainted, inside and out, in the 70's to some shade of =
red that now needs serious help. The engine compartment was painted =
black. I figure if I'm going to repaint everything, I might as well do =
it right.
  Second question. I've heard of people pulling the engine from the top =
and from the bottom. It's just me, and my bench-pressing days are way =
behind me, so I won't be lifting the front of the car myself if I pull =
from the bottom. I don't see a good place to attach a hoist. I have a =
4-post car lift, so can position the front of the car over the edge of =
the platform, block up the frame under the A pillar and chain the rear =
frame rails down and lift the whole car in the air, minus the front =
crossmember/engine/tranny, or remove the transmission, strip the engine =
to the block and heads and pull from the top. Which would be the best =
way, and why?
  Last question. As long as the engine/tranny are out, I'm going to =
"refresh" them. I'm a hot rodder at heart, but don't want to mess up a =
rare car like a Tiger. I'm looking for something just to drive and have =
fun with, without getting smoked by a Prius. I'm considering using a =
roller cam 302 and a 5 speed, because of the ZDDP issue, parts =
availability, reliability, small boost in power, etc. How much do I hurt =
the value of the car by having the original engine/tranny available but =
newer stuff installed, vs. rebuilding the stock units?

Steve
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From: GARY WINBLAD <[email-masked] =
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Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine removal/ paint questions

Steve,

Its a shame you couldn't get it reliable in 20 years...
A full restore is always nice though.
Engine compartment should be body color, my car was Midnight Blue too =
and if I ever get around to it, I think I may go back to original too.
A 5.0/5speed transforms the car to a modern car. you won't wan to go =
back.  I just have a stock cam Mustang engine but its awesome fast
and loves to cruise  at 80 with good mileage.
I use my 4-post lift to drop the engine/tranny out the bottom, worked =
slick.  I wouldn't try to hang it over the end though.
Gary

>     On 12/03/2021 9:14 PM steve wick via Tigers <[email-masked] =
>=20
>=20
>     This will be a long post, so please bear with me. I've had my =
Tiger for 20 years, but only drove it occasionally. I had constant =
problems with the wiring and fuel system that left me stranded several =
times. The last 10 years or so, I haven't driven it more than 100 miles =
per year, mainly due to work, health issues, time and the unreliability =
issue. I plan on going through my Tiger this winter, updating the wiring =
harness and, as a bonus, getting it ready to go back to the original =
paint color (Midnight Blue) throughout the car. As part of that, I was =
going to pull the engine and transmission.=20
>       First question. Is the engine compartment body color or black? =
My car was completely repainted, inside and out, in the 70's to some =
shade of red that now needs serious help. The engine compartment was =
painted black. I figure if I'm going to repaint everything, I might as =
well do it right.
>       Second question. I've heard of people pulling the engine from =
the top and from the bottom. It's just me, and my bench-pressing days =
are way behind me, so I won't be lifting the front of the car myself if =
I pull from the bottom. I don't see a good place to attach a hoist. I =
have a 4-post car lift, so can position the front of the car over the =
edge of the platform, block up the frame under the A pillar and chain =
the rear frame rails down and lift the whole car in the air, minus the =
front crossmember/engine/tranny, or remove the transmission, strip the =
engine to the block and heads and pull from the top. Which would be the =
best way, and why?
>       Last question. As long as the engine/tranny are out, I'm going =
to "refresh" them. I'm a hot rodder at heart, but don't want to mess up =
a rare car like a Tiger. I'm looking for something just to drive and =
have fun with, without getting smoked by a Prius. I'm considering using =
a roller cam 302 and a 5 speed, because of the ZDDP issue, parts =
availability, reliability, small boost in power, etc. How much do I hurt =
the value of the car by having the original engine/tranny available but =
newer stuff installed, vs. rebuilding the stock units?
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Steve,
I'm sure there are more knowledgeable people on the list who can answer =
your questions, but my input is free.
On question 1, when I owned my Tiger it was a one owner all original =
car, so my response is based on my old car. The engine compartment was =
body color. Entire car was painted body color.
Question 2, IIRC, the engine was mounted to the front suspension and =
they dropped the car down onto the suspension. I've always read it was =
easier and safer to do the same if you can. Since I never had to remove =
my engine and tranny I'll have to leave this to someone more =
knowledgeable than me.
Question 3, I haven't noticed if a stock, original Tiger sells for any =
more or less than one with an engine and transmission upgrade as long as =
all the work looks like it was done at the factory. The best compromise =
is to stay with bolt-on upgrades only and keep all the original parts =
and store them properly. This way if you ever sell your car and a future =
owner wants to return it to its original configuration they can easily =
unbolt your modifications and bolt all the original parts back on the =
car.
Hope this helps a little.?
Dan Eiland?Ex Tiger Owner

Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android=20

  On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 7:15 PM, steve wick via =
#yiv8173281967 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}This will be a long =
post, so please bear with me. I've had my Tiger for 20 years, but only =
drove it occasionally. I had constant problems with the wiring and fuel =
system that left me stranded several times. The last 10 years or so, I =
haven't driven it more than 100 miles per year, mainly due to work, =
health issues, time and the unreliability issue. I plan on going through =
my Tiger this winter, updating the wiring harness and, as a bonus, =
getting it ready to go back to the original paint color (Midnight Blue) =
throughout the car. As part of that, I was going to pull the engine and =
transmission.?? First question. Is the engine compartment body color or =
black? My car was completely repainted, inside and out, in the 70's to =
some shade of red that now needs serious help. The engine compartment =
was painted black. I figure if I'm going to repaint everything
 , I might as well do it right.? Second question. I've heard of people =
pulling the engine from the top and from the bottom. It's just me, and =
my bench-pressing days are way behind me, so I won't be lifting the =
front of the car myself if I pull from the bottom. I don't see a good =
place to attach a hoist. I have a 4-post car lift, so can position the =
front of the car over the edge of the platform, block up the frame under =
the A pillar and chain the rear frame rails down and lift the whole car =
in the air, minus the front crossmember/engine/tranny, or remove the =
transmission, strip the engine to the block and heads and pull from the =
top. Which would be the best way, and why?? Last question. As long as =
the engine/tranny are out, I'm going to "refresh" them. I'm a hot rodder =
at heart, but don't want to mess up a rare car like a Tiger. I'm looking =
for something just to drive and have fun with, without getting smoked by =
a Prius. I'm considering using a roller cam 302 and a 5 speed, because o
 f the ZDDP issue, parts availability, reliability, small boost in =
power, etc. How much do I hurt the value of the car by having the =
original engine/tranny available but newer stuff installed, vs. =
rebuilding the stock units?
Thanks guys. Looking forward to everyone's input and opinion.
Steve_______________________________________________

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style=3D'color:black'>Steve,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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style=3D'margin-top:0in' start=3D1 type=3D1><li class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'color:black;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'>The engine =
compartment color should be the body color.<o:p></o:p></li><li =
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style=3D'color:black;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo1'>I=E2=80=99ve taken engines out dozens of times and out the bottom =
is the way to go. I normally take 2 of the front crossmember bolts out =
and thread them into the top inside the engine compartment after putting =
them through a link of large chain. Now you have something to lift with. =
While supporting the car via this chain and hoist, remove the other 2 =
crossmember bolts. Raise the car up leaving the crossmember (with the =
wheels still on it) on the ground. You=E2=80=99ll need to wiggle it as =
things are going up to get it clear. Once high enough, roll the =
crossmember out from under the car. Now lower the car back down until =
the engine rests on an engine dolly. Remove the motor mounts and =
anything else still attached leaving the transmission with the engine. =
Lift the body leaving the engine on the cradle. Roll the engine / =
transmission out the front.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'color:black;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'>I drive my =
car a lot, usually 3,000 to 5,000 miles per year so I went with a =
non-stock approach. I still have my numbers matching 260 in a baggie in =
my garage but built a very nice 302 for my car. I also installed =
Dale=E2=80=99s 5-speed a couple of years ago. Transformed the =
car.<o:p></o:p></li></ol><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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Topics:<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp;1. Engine removal/ paint questions (steve =
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WINBLAD)<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;3. Re: Engine removal/ paint questions (Daniel =
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----------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2021 02:14:47 =
+0000<br>From: steve wick &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>To: &quot;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&quot; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>Subject: [Tigers] =
Engine removal/ paint questions<br>Message-ID:<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
d06.prod.outlook.com" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
mprd06.prod.outlook.com</a>&gt;<br><br>Content-Type: text/plain; =
charset=3D&quot;iso-8859-1&quot;<br><br>This will be a long post, so =
please bear with me. I've had my Tiger for 20 years, but only drove it =
occasionally. I had constant problems with the wiring and fuel system =
that left me stranded several times. The last 10 years or so, I haven't =
driven it more than 100 miles per year, mainly due to work, health =
issues, time and the unreliability issue. I plan on going through my =
Tiger this winter, updating the wiring harness and, as a bonus, getting =
it ready to go back to the original paint color (Midnight Blue) =
throughout the car. As part of that, I was going to pull the engine and =
transmission.<br>&nbsp; First question. Is the engine compartment body =
color or black? My car was completely repainted, inside and out, in the =
70's to some shade of red that now needs serious help. The engine =
compartment was painted black. I figure if I'm going to repaint =
everything, I might as well do it right.<br>&nbsp; Second question. I've =
heard of people pulling the engine from the top and from the bottom. =
It's just me, and my bench-pressing days are way behind me, so I won't =
be lifting the front of the car myself if I pull from the bottom. I =
don't see a good place to attach a hoist. I have a 4-post car lift, so =
can position the front of the car over the edge of the platform, block =
up the frame under the A pillar and chain the rear frame rails down and =
lift the whole car in the air, minus the front =
crossmember/engine/tranny, or remove the transmission, strip the engine =
to the block and heads and pull from the top. Which would be the best =
way, and why?<br>&nbsp; Last question. As long as the engine/tranny are =
out, I'm going to &quot;refresh&quot; them. I'm a hot rodder at heart, =
but don't want to mess up a rare car like a Tiger. I'm looking for =
something just to drive and have fun with, without getting smoked by a =
Prius. I'm considering using a roller cam 302 and a 5 speed, because of =
the ZDDP issue, parts availability, reliability, small boost in power, =
etc. How much do I hurt the value of the car by having the original =
engine/tranny available but newer stuff installed, vs. rebuilding the =
stock units?<br><br>Thanks guys. Looking forward to everyone's input and =
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charset=3D&quot;utf-8&quot;<br><br>Steve,<br><br>Its a shame you =
couldn't get it reliable in 20 years...<br>A full restore is always nice =
though.<br>Engine compartment should be body color, my car was Midnight =
Blue too and if I ever get around to it, I think I may go back to =
original too.<br>A 5.0/5speed transforms the car to a modern car. you =
won't wan to go back.&nbsp; I just have a stock cam Mustang engine but =
its awesome fast<br>and loves to cruise&nbsp; at 80 with good =
mileage.<br>I use my 4-post lift to drop the engine/tranny out the =
bottom, worked slick.&nbsp; I wouldn't try to hang it over the end =
though.<br>Gary<br><br><br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;On 12/03/2021 9:14 PM =
steve wick via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt; <br>&gt; =
<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;This will be a long post, so please bear =
with me. I've had my Tiger for 20 years, but only drove it occasionally. =
I had constant problems with the wiring and fuel system that left me =
stranded several times. The last 10 years or so, I haven't driven it =
more than 100 miles per year, mainly due to work, health issues, time =
and the unreliability issue. I plan on going through my Tiger this =
winter, updating the wiring harness and, as a bonus, getting it ready to =
go back to the original paint color (Midnight Blue) throughout the car. =
As part of that, I was going to pull the engine and transmission. =
<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;First question. Is the engine =
compartment body color or black? My car was completely repainted, inside =
and out, in the 70's to some shade of red that now needs serious help. =
The engine compartment was painted black. I figure if I'm going to =
repaint everything, I might as well do it right.<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp;Second question. I've heard of people pulling the engine =
from the top and from the bottom. It's just me, and my bench-pressing =
days are way behind me, so I won't be lifting the front of the car =
myself if I pull from the bottom. I don't see a good place to attach a =
hoist. I have a 4-post car lift, so can position the front of the car =
over the edge of the platform, block up the frame under the A pillar and =
chain the rear frame rails down and lift the whole car in the air, minus =
the front crossmember/engine/tranny, or remove the transmission, strip =
the engine to the block and heads and pull from the top. Which would be =
the best way, and why?<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Last question. =
As long as the engine/tranny are out, I'm going to &quot;refresh&quot; =
them. I'm a hot rodder at heart, but don't want to mess up a rare car =
like a Tiger. I'm looking for something just to drive and have fun with, =
without getting smoked by a Prius. I'm considering using a roller cam =
302 and a 5 speed, because of the ZDDP issue, parts availability, =
reliability, small boost in power, etc. How much do I hurt the value of =
the car by having the original engine/tranny available but newer stuff =
installed, vs. rebuilding the stock units?<br>&gt; <br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;Thanks guys. Looking forward to everyone's input and =
opinion.<br>&gt; <br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Steve<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;_______________________________________________<br>&gt; =
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charset=3D&quot;utf-8&quot;<br><br>Steve,<br>I'm sure there are more =
knowledgeable people on the list who can answer your questions, but my =
input is free.<br>On question 1, when I owned my Tiger it was a one =
owner all original car, so my response is based on my old car. The =
engine compartment was body color. Entire car was painted body =
color.<br>Question 2, IIRC, the engine was mounted to the front =
suspension and they dropped the car down onto the suspension. I've =
always read it was easier and safer to do the same if you can. Since I =
never had to remove my engine and tranny I'll have to leave this to =
someone more knowledgeable than me.<br>Question 3, I haven't noticed if =
a stock, original Tiger sells for any more or less than one with an =
engine and transmission upgrade as long as all the work looks like it =
was done at the factory. The best compromise is to stay with bolt-on =
upgrades only and keep all the original parts and store them properly. =
This way if you ever sell your car and a future owner wants to return it =
to its original configuration they can easily unbolt your modifications =
and bolt all the original parts back on the car.<br>Hope this helps a =
little.?<br>Dan Eiland?Ex Tiger Owner<br><br>Sent from AT&amp;T Yahoo =
Mail on Android <br><br>&nbsp; On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 7:15 PM, steve =
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#yiv8173281967 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}This will be a long =
post, so please bear with me. I've had my Tiger for 20 years, but only =
drove it occasionally. I had constant problems with the wiring and fuel =
system that left me stranded several times. The last 10 years or so, I =
haven't driven it more than 100 miles per year, mainly due to work, =
health issues, time and the unreliability issue. I plan on going through =
my Tiger this winter, updating the wiring harness and, as a bonus, =
getting it ready to go back to the original paint color (Midnight Blue) =
throughout the car. As part of that, I was going to pull the engine and =
transmission.?? First question. Is the engine compartment body color or =
black? My car was completely repainted, inside and out, in the 70's to =
some shade of red that now needs serious help. The engine compartment =
was painted black. I figure if I'm going to repaint =
everything<br>&nbsp;, I might as well do it right.? Second question. =
I've heard of people pulling the engine from the top and from the =
bottom. It's just me, and my bench-pressing days are way behind me, so I =
won't be lifting the front of the car myself if I pull from the bottom. =
I don't see a good place to attach a hoist. I have a 4-post car lift, so =
can position the front of the car over the edge of the platform, block =
up the frame under the A pillar and chain the rear frame rails down and =
lift the whole car in the air, minus the front =
crossmember/engine/tranny, or remove the transmission, strip the engine =
to the block and heads and pull from the top. Which would be the best =
way, and why?? Last question. As long as the engine/tranny are out, I'm =
going to &quot;refresh&quot; them. I'm a hot rodder at heart, but don't =
want to mess up a rare car like a Tiger. I'm looking for something just =
to drive and have fun with, without getting smoked by a Prius. I'm =
considering using a roller cam 302 and a 5 speed, because o<br>&nbsp;f =
the ZDDP issue, parts availability, reliability, small boost in power, =
etc. How much do I hurt the value of the car by having the original =
engine/tranny available but newer stuff installed, vs. rebuilding the =
stock units?<br>Thanks guys. Looking forward to everyone's input and =
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Thanks for the info. Great explanation of the process.

On Sat, Dec 4, 2021, 10:02 AM <[email-masked]> wrote:

>    2. I=E2=80=99ve taken engines out dozens of times and out the bottom i=
s the
>    way to go. I normally take 2 of the front crossmember bolts out and th=
read
>    them into the top inside the engine compartment after putting them thr=
ough
>    a link of large chain. Now you have something to lift with. While
>    supporting the car via this chain and hoist, remove the other 2 crossm=
ember
>    bolts. Raise the car up leaving the crossmember (with the wheels still=
 on
>    it) on the ground. You=E2=80=99ll need to wiggle it as things are goin=
g up to get
>    it clear. Once high enough, roll the crossmember out from under the ca=
r.
>    Now lower the car back down until the engine rests on an engine dolly.
>    Remove the motor mounts and anything else still attached leaving the
>    transmission with the engine. Lift the body leaving the engine on the
>    cradle. Roll the engine / transmission out the front.
>    3. I drive my car a lot, usually 3,000 to 5,000 miles per year so I
>    went with a non-stock approach. I still have my numbers matching 260 i=
n a
>    baggie in my garage but built a very nice 302 for my car. I also insta=
lled
>    Dale=E2=80=99s 5-speed a couple of years ago. Transformed the car.
>
>
>
> Hope this helps,
>
>
>
> JVP
>
>
>
>
>
>
>          16048 Copen Meadow Dr
>         North Potomac, MD 20878
>              Cell - 410-599-5475
>
>       Email - [email-masked]
>
>
>
> *From:* Tigers <[email-masked]> *On Behalf Of *Lance
> Beauchamp via Tigers
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 4, 2021 9:22 AM
> *To:* Tiger Club. Submission <[email-masked]>
> *Subject:* [Tigers] Fwd: Tigers eng removal
>
>
>
> I've had my midnight blue Tiger 35 years now, and when I did my eng over
> it came out the bottom. Much easier especially when reinstalling a fresh
> [email-masked]=
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> >
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"
>
> This will be a long post, so please bear with me. I've had my Tiger for 2=
0
> through my Tiger this winter, updating the wiring harness and, as a bonus=
,
>   First question. Is the engine compartment body color or black? My car
> was completely repainted, inside and out, in the 70's to some shade of re=
d
> that now needs serious help. The engine compartment was painted black. I
> figure if I'm going to repaint everything, I might as well do it right.
>   Second question. I've heard of people pulling the engine from the top
> and from the bottom. It's just me, and my bench-pressing days are way
> behind me, so I won't be lifting the front of the car myself if I pull fr=
om
> the bottom. I don't see a good place to attach a hoist. I have a 4-post c=
ar
> crossmember/engine/tranny, or remove the transmission, strip the engine t=
o
> the block and heads and pull from the top. Which would be the best way, a=
nd
> "refresh" them. I'm a hot rodder at heart, but don't want to mess up a ra=
re
> with, without getting smoked by a Prius. I'm considering using a roller c=
am
> reliability, small boost in power, etc. How much do I hurt the value of t=
he
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>
> Steve,
>
> A 5.0/5speed transforms the car to a modern car. you won't wan to go
> for 20 years, but only drove it occasionally. I had constant problems wit=
h
> the wiring and fuel system that left me stranded several times. The last =
10
> through my Tiger this winter, updating the wiring harness and, as a bonus=
,
> car was completely repainted, inside and out, in the 70's to some shade o=
f
> red that now needs serious help. The engine compartment was painted black=
.
> behind me, so I won't be lifting the front of the car myself if I pull fr=
om
> the bottom. I don't see a good place to attach a hoist. I have a 4-post c=
ar
> crossmember/engine/tranny, or remove the transmission, strip the engine t=
o
> the block and heads and pull from the top. Which would be the best way, a=
nd
> "refresh" them. I'm a hot rodder at heart, but don't want to mess up a ra=
re
> with, without getting smoked by a Prius. I'm considering using a roller c=
am
> reliability, small boost in power, etc. How much do I hurt the value of t=
he
> http://autox.team.net/pipermail/tigers/attachments/20211204/6e1edfb4/atta=
chment-0001.htm
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"utf-8"
>
> Steve,
> and safer to do the same if you can. Since I never had to remove my engin=
e
> Question 3, I haven't noticed if a stock, original Tiger sells for any
> more or less than one with an engine and transmission upgrade as long as
> all the work looks like it was done at the factory. The best compromise i=
s
> to stay with bolt-on upgrades only and keep all the original parts and
> store them properly. This way if you ever sell your car and a future owne=
r
> wants to return it to its original configuration they can easily unbolt
> your modifications and bolt all the original parts back on the car.
I
> had constant problems with the wiring and fuel system that left me strand=
ed
> unreliability issue. I plan on going through my Tiger this winter, updati=
ng
> original paint color (Midnight Blue) throughout the car. As part of that,=
 I
> attach a hoist. I have a 4-post car lift, so can position the front of th=
e
> strip the engine to the block and heads and pull from the top. Which woul=
d
> be the best way, and why?? Last question. As long as the engine/tranny ar=
e
> out, I'm going to "refresh" them. I'm a hot rodder at heart, but don't wa=
nt
> to mess up a rare car like a Tiger. I'm looking for something just to dri=
ve
> and have fun with, without getting smoked by a Prius. I'm considering usi=
ng
> engine/tranny available but newer stuff installed, vs. rebuilding the sto=
ck
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<div dir=3D"auto">Thanks for the info. Great explanation of the process.=C2=
=A0</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_att=
r">On Sat, Dec 4, 2021, 10:02 AM  &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
m">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_=
quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1=
ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" style=3D"word-wrap:b=
reak-word"><div class=3D"m_7136655039018589760WordSection1"><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><span style=3D"color:black">Steve,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><=
ol style=3D"margin-top:0in" start=3D"1" type=3D"1"><li class=3D"m_713665503=
9018589760MsoListParagraph" style=3D"color:black;margin-left:0in">The engin=
e compartment color should be the body color.<u></u><u></u></li><li class=
=3D"m_7136655039018589760MsoListParagraph" style=3D"color:black;margin-left=
:0in">I=E2=80=99ve taken engines out dozens of times and out the bottom is =
the way to go. I normally take 2 of the front crossmember bolts out and thr=
ead them into the top inside the engine compartment after putting them thro=
ugh a link of large chain. Now you have something to lift with. While suppo=
rting the car via this chain and hoist, remove the other 2 crossmember bolt=
s. Raise the car up leaving the crossmember (with the wheels still on it) o=
n the ground. You=E2=80=99ll need to wiggle it as things are going up to ge=
t it clear. Once high enough, roll the crossmember out from under the car. =
Now lower the car back down until the engine rests on an engine dolly. Remo=
ve the motor mounts and anything else still attached leaving the transmissi=
on with the engine. Lift the body leaving the engine on the cradle. Roll th=
e engine / transmission out the front.<u></u><u></u></li><li class=3D"m_713=
6655039018589760MsoListParagraph" style=3D"color:black;margin-left:0in">I d=
rive my car a lot, usually 3,000 to 5,000 miles per year so I went with a n=
on-stock approach. I still have my numbers matching 260 in a baggie in my g=
arage but built a very nice 302 for my car. I also installed Dale=E2=80=99s=
 5-speed a couple of years ago. Transformed the car.<u></u><u></u></li></ol=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></s=
pan></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Hope this helps,=
<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black"=
><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color=
:black">JVP<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"c=
olor:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span sty=
le=3D"color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><s=
pan style=3D"color:black"><img width=3D"225" height=3D"63" id=3D"m_71366550=
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/u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black"><br=
>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 16048 Copen Meadow Dr<br>=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 North Potomac, MD 20878<br>=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Cell =
- 410-599-5475<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Email - <a href=3D"mailto:j=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">jvparlanti@gmail.=
com</a><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color=
:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div style=3D"border:none;border-top=
:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><=
span>From:</span></b><span> Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tigers-bounces@aut=
ox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]=
.net</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Lance Beauchamp via Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b>=
 Saturday, December 4, 2021 9:22 AM<br><b>To:</b> Tiger Club. Submission &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"norefer=
rer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> [Tigers] Fwd: Tigers =
eng removal<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I&#39;ve had my midnight blue Tig=
er 35 years now, and when I did my eng over it came out the bottom. Much ea=
sier especially when reinstalling a fresh eng into a newly=C2=A0 painted co=
mpartment which will also be Midnight blue.<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">My car is presently being totally refreshed,=C2=A0 good luck=
 and have fun.=C2=A0 Beau=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class=3D"Ms=
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=C2=A02. Re: Engine removal/ paint questions (GARY WINBLAD)<br>=C2=A0 =C2=
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sage: 1<br>Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2021 02:14:47 +0000<br>From: steve wick &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">srw=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>To: &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
t" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&quot; &lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferr=
er">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>Subject: [Tigers] Engine removal/ pain=
t questions<br>Message-ID:<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:[email-masked]=
look.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">SA1PR06MB83561A6E725A84E6713=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><br>Content-T=
ype: text/plain; charset=3D&quot;iso-8859-1&quot;<br><br>This will be a lon=
g post, so please bear with me. I&#39;ve had my Tiger for 20 years, but onl=
y drove it occasionally. I had constant problems with the wiring and fuel s=
ystem that left me stranded several times. The last 10 years or so, I haven=
&#39;t driven it more than 100 miles per year, mainly due to work, health i=
ssues, time and the unreliability issue. I plan on going through my Tiger t=
his winter, updating the wiring harness and, as a bonus, getting it ready t=
o go back to the original paint color (Midnight Blue) throughout the car. A=
s part of that, I was going to pull the engine and transmission.<br>=C2=A0 =
First question. Is the engine compartment body color or black? My car was c=
ompletely repainted, inside and out, in the 70&#39;s to some shade of red t=
hat now needs serious help. The engine compartment was painted black. I fig=
ure if I&#39;m going to repaint everything, I might as well do it right.<br=
>=C2=A0 Second question. I&#39;ve heard of people pulling the engine from t=
he top and from the bottom. It&#39;s just me, and my bench-pressing days ar=
e way behind me, so I won&#39;t be lifting the front of the car myself if I=
 pull from the bottom. I don&#39;t see a good place to attach a hoist. I ha=
ve a 4-post car lift, so can position the front of the car over the edge of=
 the platform, block up the frame under the A pillar and chain the rear fra=
me rails down and lift the whole car in the air, minus the front crossmembe=
r/engine/tranny, or remove the transmission, strip the engine to the block =
and heads and pull from the top. Which would be the best way, and why?<br>=
=C2=A0 Last question. As long as the engine/tranny are out, I&#39;m going t=
o &quot;refresh&quot; them. I&#39;m a hot rodder at heart, but don&#39;t wa=
nt to mess up a rare car like a Tiger. I&#39;m looking for something just t=
o drive and have fun with, without getting smoked by a Prius. I&#39;m consi=
dering using a roller cam 302 and a 5 speed, because of the ZDDP issue, par=
ts availability, reliability, small boost in power, etc. How much do I hurt=
 the value of the car by having the original engine/tranny available but ne=
wer stuff installed, vs. rebuilding the stock units?<br><br>Thanks guys. Lo=
oking forward to everyone&#39;s input and opinion.<br><br>Steve<br>--------=
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et=3D&quot;utf-8&quot;<br><br>Steve,<br><br>Its a shame you couldn&#39;t ge=
t it reliable in 20 years...<br>A full restore is always nice though.<br>En=
gine compartment should be body color, my car was Midnight Blue too and if =
I ever get around to it, I think I may go back to original too.<br>A 5.0/5s=
peed transforms the car to a modern car. you won&#39;t wan to go back.=C2=
=A0 I just have a stock cam Mustang engine but its awesome fast<br>and love=
s to cruise=C2=A0 at 80 with good mileage.<br>I use my 4-post lift to drop =
the engine/tranny out the bottom, worked slick.=C2=A0 I wouldn&#39;t try to=
 hang it over the end though.<br>Gary<br><br><br>&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On=
 12/03/2021 9:14 PM steve wick via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@auto=
x.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&=
gt; wrote:<br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0This will be a long=
 post, so please bear with me. I&#39;ve had my Tiger for 20 years, but only=
 drove it occasionally. I had constant problems with the wiring and fuel sy=
stem that left me stranded several times. The last 10 years or so, I haven&=
#39;t driven it more than 100 miles per year, mainly due to work, health is=
sues, time and the unreliability issue. I plan on going through my Tiger th=
is winter, updating the wiring harness and, as a bonus, getting it ready to=
 go back to the original paint color (Midnight Blue) throughout the car. As=
 part of that, I was going to pull the engine and transmission. <br>&gt;=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0First question. Is the engine compartment body colo=
r or black? My car was completely repainted, inside and out, in the 70&#39;=
s to some shade of red that now needs serious help. The engine compartment =
was painted black. I figure if I&#39;m going to repaint everything, I might=
 as well do it right.<br>&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Second question. I&=
#39;ve heard of people pulling the engine from the top and from the bottom.=
 It&#39;s just me, and my bench-pressing days are way behind me, so I won&#=
39;t be lifting the front of the car myself if I pull from the bottom. I do=
n&#39;t see a good place to attach a hoist. I have a 4-post car lift, so ca=
n position the front of the car over the edge of the platform, block up the=
 frame under the A pillar and chain the rear frame rails down and lift the =
whole car in the air, minus the front crossmember/engine/tranny, or remove =
the transmission, strip the engine to the block and heads and pull from the=
 top. Which would be the best way, and why?<br>&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0Last question. As long as the engine/tranny are out, I&#39;m going to &q=
uot;refresh&quot; them. I&#39;m a hot rodder at heart, but don&#39;t want t=
o mess up a rare car like a Tiger. I&#39;m looking for something just to dr=
ive and have fun with, without getting smoked by a Prius. I&#39;m consideri=
ng using a roller cam 302 and a 5 speed, because of the ZDDP issue, parts a=
vailability, reliability, small boost in power, etc. How much do I hurt the=
 value of the car by having the original engine/tranny available but newer =
stuff installed, vs. rebuilding the stock units?<br>&gt; <br>&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0Thanks guys. Looking forward to everyone&#39;s input and opinion.=
<br>&gt; <br>&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Steve<br>&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0_____=
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om" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;,=C2=A0 =
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o.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">789396045.2445099.1638595752408=
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quot;<br><br>Steve,<br>I&#39;m sure there are more knowledgeable people on =
the list who can answer your questions, but my input is free.<br>On questio=
n 1, when I owned my Tiger it was a one owner all original car, so my respo=
nse is based on my old car. The engine compartment was body color. Entire c=
ar was painted body color.<br>Question 2, IIRC, the engine was mounted to t=
he front suspension and they dropped the car down onto the suspension. I&#3=
9;ve always read it was easier and safer to do the same if you can. Since I=
 never had to remove my engine and tranny I&#39;ll have to leave this to so=
meone more knowledgeable than me.<br>Question 3, I haven&#39;t noticed if a=
 stock, original Tiger sells for any more or less than one with an engine a=
nd transmission upgrade as long as all the work looks like it was done at t=
he factory. The best compromise is to stay with bolt-on upgrades only and k=
eep all the original parts and store them properly. This way if you ever se=
ll your car and a future owner wants to return it to its original configura=
tion they can easily unbolt your modifications and bolt all the original pa=
rts back on the car.<br>Hope this helps a little.?<br>Dan Eiland?Ex Tiger O=
wner<br><br>Sent from AT&amp;T Yahoo Mail on Android <br><br>=C2=A0 On Fri,=
 Dec 3, 2021 at 7:15 PM, steve wick via Tigers&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@=
autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]<=
/a>&gt; wrote:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 #yiv8173281967 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;=
}This will be a long post, so please bear with me. I&#39;ve had my Tiger fo=
r 20 years, but only drove it occasionally. I had constant problems with th=
e wiring and fuel system that left me stranded several times. The last 10 y=
ears or so, I haven&#39;t driven it more than 100 miles per year, mainly du=
e to work, health issues, time and the unreliability issue. I plan on going=
 through my Tiger this winter, updating the wiring harness and, as a bonus,=
 getting it ready to go back to the original paint color (Midnight Blue) th=
roughout the car. As part of that, I was going to pull the engine and trans=
mission.?? First question. Is the engine compartment body color or black? M=
y car was completely repainted, inside and out, in the 70&#39;s to some sha=
de of red that now needs serious help. The engine compartment was painted b=
lack. I figure if I&#39;m going to repaint everything<br>=C2=A0, I might as=
 well do it right.? Second question. I&#39;ve heard of people pulling the e=
ngine from the top and from the bottom. It&#39;s just me, and my bench-pres=
sing days are way behind me, so I won&#39;t be lifting the front of the car=
 myself if I pull from the bottom. I don&#39;t see a good place to attach a=
 hoist. I have a 4-post car lift, so can position the front of the car over=
 the edge of the platform, block up the frame under the A pillar and chain =
the rear frame rails down and lift the whole car in the air, minus the fron=
t crossmember/engine/tranny, or remove the transmission, strip the engine t=
o the block and heads and pull from the top. Which would be the best way, a=
nd why?? Last question. As long as the engine/tranny are out, I&#39;m going=
 to &quot;refresh&quot; them. I&#39;m a hot rodder at heart, but don&#39;t =
want to mess up a rare car like a Tiger. I&#39;m looking for something just=
 to drive and have fun with, without getting smoked by a Prius. I&#39;m con=
sidering using a roller cam 302 and a 5 speed, because o<br>=C2=A0f the ZDD=
P issue, parts availability, reliability, small boost in power, etc. How mu=
ch do I hurt the value of the car by having the original engine/tranny avai=
lable but newer stuff installed, vs. rebuilding the stock units?<br>Thanks =
guys. Looking forward to everyone&#39;s input and opinion.<br>Steve________=
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From: GARY WINBLAD via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2021 11:33:46 -0500 (EST)

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If you use your 4-post lift, you don't have to remove the crossmember.  Tha=
t also keeps the wheels, steering, and brakes working for moving the body
around for body and paint!
Poor photo attached.  I did use my engine hoist, floor jack and a low profi=
le engine/tranny dolly I made.
Gary

>     On 12/04/2021 10:15 AM steve wick via Tigers <[email-masked]> =
wrote:
>=20
>=20
>     Thanks to all for all the advice on engine removal, compartment color=
 and your experiences with updated drivetrains. I think I now know what I'm=
 doing. =F0=9F=98=81
>=20
>     Steve
>=20
>=20
>=20
>     ---------------------------------------------
>     From: Tigers <[email-masked]> on behalf of Joe Parlant=
i via Tigers <[email-masked]>
>     Sent: Saturday, December 4, 2021 7:02 AM
>     To: 'Lance Beauchamp' <[email-masked]>; [email-masked] <t=
[email-masked]>
>     Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fwd: Tigers eng removal
>=20
>     Steve,
>     =20
>        2. I=E2=80=99ve taken engines out dozens of times and out the bott=
om is the way to go. I normally take 2 of the front crossmember bolts out a=
nd thread them into the top inside the engine compartment after putting the=
m through a link of large chain. Now you have something to lift with. While=
 supporting the car via this chain and hoist, remove the other 2 crossmembe=
r bolts. Raise the car up leaving the crossmember (with the wheels still on=
 it) on the ground. You=E2=80=99ll need to wiggle it as things are going up=
 to get it clear. Once high enough, roll the crossmember out from under the=
 car. Now lower the car back down until the engine rests on an engine dolly=
. Remove the motor mounts and anything else still attached leaving the tran=
smission with the engine. Lift the body leaving the engine on the cradle. R=
oll the engine / transmission out the front.
>        3. I drive my car a lot, usually 3,000 to 5,000 miles per year so =
I went with a non-stock approach. I still have my numbers matching 260 in a=
 baggie in my garage but built a very nice 302 for my car. I also installed=
 Dale=E2=80=99s 5-speed a couple of years ago. Transformed the car.
>     =20
>     Hope this helps,
>     =20
>     JVP
>     =20
>     =20
>=20
>              16048 Copen Meadow Dr
>             North Potomac, MD 20878
>                  Cell - 410-599-5475
>           Email - [email-masked] mailto:[email-masked]
>     =20
>     From: Tigers <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Lance Beauc=
hamp via Tigers
>     I've had my midnight blue Tiger 35 years now, and when I did my eng o=
ver it came out the bottom. Much easier especially when reinstalling a fres=
h eng into a newly  painted compartment which will also be Midnight blue.
>     My car is presently being totally refreshed,  good luck and have fun.=
  Beau=20
>     From: <[email-masked] mailto:[email-masked]=
.net >
>     To: <[email-masked] mailto:[email-masked] >
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>             [email-masked] mailto:[email-masked]
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>     From: steve wick <[email-masked] mailto:[email-masked] >
>     To: "[email-masked] mailto:[email-masked] " <tigers@aut=
ox.team.net mailto:[email-masked] >
>             <[email-masked]=
6.prod.outlook.com mailto:SA1PR06MB83561A6E725A84E67133CDC9D86B9@SA1PR06MB8=
356.namprd06.prod.outlook.com >
>     This will be a long post, so please bear with me. I've had my Tiger f=
or 20 years, but only drove it occasionally. I had constant problems with t=
he wiring and fuel system that left me stranded several times. The last 10 =
years or so, I haven't driven it more than 100 miles per year, mainly due t=
o work, health issues, time and the unreliability issue. I plan on going th=
rough my Tiger this winter, updating the wiring harness and, as a bonus, ge=
tting it ready to go back to the original paint color (Midnight Blue) throu=
ghout the car. As part of that, I was going to pull the engine and transmis=
sion.
>       First question. Is the engine compartment body color or black? My c=
ar was completely repainted, inside and out, in the 70's to some shade of r=
ed that now needs serious help. The engine compartment was painted black. I=
 figure if I'm going to repaint everything, I might as well do it right.
>       Second question. I've heard of people pulling the engine from the t=
op and from the bottom. It's just me, and my bench-pressing days are way be=
hind me, so I won't be lifting the front of the car myself if I pull from t=
he bottom. I don't see a good place to attach a hoist. I have a 4-post car =
lift, so can position the front of the car over the edge of the platform, b=
lock up the frame under the A pillar and chain the rear frame rails down an=
d lift the whole car in the air, minus the front crossmember/engine/tranny,=
 or remove the transmission, strip the engine to the block and heads and pu=
ll from the top. Which would be the best way, and why?
>       Last question. As long as the engine/tranny are out, I'm going to "=
refresh" them. I'm a hot rodder at heart, but don't want to mess up a rare =
car like a Tiger. I'm looking for something just to drive and have fun with=
, without getting smoked by a Prius. I'm considering using a roller cam 302=
 and a 5 speed, because of the ZDDP issue, parts availability, reliability,=
 small boost in power, etc. How much do I hurt the value of the car by havi=
ng the original engine/tranny available but newer stuff installed, vs. rebu=
ilding the stock units?
>     URL: <http://autox.team.net/pipermail/tigers/attachments/20211204/d72=
82fcd/attachment-0001.htm>
>     From: GARY WINBLAD <[email-masked] mailto:garywinblad@comcas=
t.net >
>     To: steve wick <[email-masked] mailto:[email-masked] >, steve=
 wick via Tigers
>             <[email-masked] mailto:[email-masked] >
>     Message-ID: <[email-masked] mail=
to:[email-masked] >
>     Engine compartment should be body color, my car was Midnight Blue too=
>     I use my 4-post lift to drop the engine/tranny out the bottom, worked=
>     Gary
>=20
>=20
>     >     On 12/03/2021 9:14 PM steve wick via Tigers <[email-masked].=
net mailto:[email-masked] > wrote:
>     >
>     >
>     >     This will be a long post, so please bear with me. I've had my T=
iger for 20 years, but only drove it occasionally. I had constant problems =
with the wiring and fuel system that left me stranded several times. The la=
st 10 years or so, I haven't driven it more than 100 miles per year, mainly=
 due to work, health issues, time and the unreliability issue. I plan on go=
ing through my Tiger this winter, updating the wiring harness and, as a bon=
us, getting it ready to go back to the original paint color (Midnight Blue)=
 throughout the car. As part of that, I was going to pull the engine and tr=
ansmission.
>     >       First question. Is the engine compartment body color or black=
? My car was completely repainted, inside and out, in the 70's to some shad=
e of red that now needs serious help. The engine compartment was painted bl=
ack. I figure if I'm going to repaint everything, I might as well do it rig=
ht.
>     >       Second question. I've heard of people pulling the engine from=
 the top and from the bottom. It's just me, and my bench-pressing days are =
way behind me, so I won't be lifting the front of the car myself if I pull =
from the bottom. I don't see a good place to attach a hoist. I have a 4-pos=
t car lift, so can position the front of the car over the edge of the platf=
orm, block up the frame under the A pillar and chain the rear frame rails d=
own and lift the whole car in the air, minus the front crossmember/engine/t=
ranny, or remove the transmission, strip the engine to the block and heads =
and pull from the top. Which would be the best way, and why?
>     >       Last question. As long as the engine/tranny are out, I'm goin=
g to "refresh" them. I'm a hot rodder at heart, but don't want to mess up a=
 rare car like a Tiger. I'm looking for something just to drive and have fu=
n with, without getting smoked by a Prius. I'm considering using a roller c=
am 302 and a 5 speed, because of the ZDDP issue, parts availability, reliab=
ility, small boost in power, etc. How much do I hurt the value of the car b=
y having the original engine/tranny available but newer stuff installed, vs=
. rebuilding the stock units?
>     >     [email-masked] mailto:[email-masked]
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>     From: Daniel Eiland <[email-masked] mailto:[email-masked] >
>     To: steve wick <[email-masked] mailto:[email-masked] >,  stev=
e wick via Tigers
>             <[email-masked] mailto:[email-masked] >
>     Message-ID: <[email-masked] mailto:78=
[email-masked] >
>     I'm sure there are more knowledgeable people on the list who can answ=
er your questions, but my input is free.
>     On question 1, when I owned my Tiger it was a one owner all original =
car, so my response is based on my old car. The engine compartment was body=
 color. Entire car was painted body color.
>     Question 2, IIRC, the engine was mounted to the front suspension and =
they dropped the car down onto the suspension. I've always read it was easi=
er and safer to do the same if you can. Since I never had to remove my engi=
ne and tranny I'll have to leave this to someone more knowledgeable than me=
.
>     Question 3, I haven't noticed if a stock, original Tiger sells for an=
y more or less than one with an engine and transmission upgrade as long as =
all the work looks like it was done at the factory. The best compromise is =
to stay with bolt-on upgrades only and keep all the original parts and stor=
e them properly. This way if you ever sell your car and a future owner want=
s to return it to its original configuration they can easily unbolt your mo=
difications and bolt all the original parts back on the car.
>       On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 7:15 PM, steve wick via Tigers<tigers@autox.=
team.net mailto:[email-masked] > wrote:    #yiv8173281967 P {margin-=
top:0;margin-bottom:0;}This will be a long post, so please bear with me. I'=
ve had my Tiger for 20 years, but only drove it occasionally. I had constan=
t problems with the wiring and fuel system that left me stranded several ti=
mes. The last 10 years or so, I haven't driven it more than 100 miles per y=
ear, mainly due to work, health issues, time and the unreliability issue. I=
 plan on going through my Tiger this winter, updating the wiring harness an=
d, as a bonus, getting it ready to go back to the original paint color (Mid=
night Blue) throughout the car. As part of that, I was going to pull the en=
gine and transmission.?? First question. Is the engine compartment body col=
or or black? My car was completely repainted, inside and out, in the 70's t=
o some shade of red that now needs serious help. The engine compartment was=
 painted black. I figure if I'm going to repaint everything
>      , I might as well do it right.? Second question. I've heard of peopl=
e pulling the engine from the top and from the bottom. It's just me, and my=
 bench-pressing days are way behind me, so I won't be lifting the front of =
the car myself if I pull from the bottom. I don't see a good place to attac=
h a hoist. I have a 4-post car lift, so can position the front of the car o=
ver the edge of the platform, block up the frame under the A pillar and cha=
in the rear frame rails down and lift the whole car in the air, minus the f=
ront crossmember/engine/tranny, or remove the transmission, strip the engin=
e to the block and heads and pull from the top. Which would be the best way=
, and why?? Last question. As long as the engine/tranny are out, I'm going =
to "refresh" them. I'm a hot rodder at heart, but don't want to mess up a r=
are car like a Tiger. I'm looking for something just to drive and have fun =
with, without getting smoked by a Prius. I'm considering using a roller cam=
 302 and a 5 speed, because o
>      f the ZDDP issue, parts availability, reliability, small boost in po=
wer, etc. How much do I hurt the value of the car by having the original en=
gine/tranny available but newer stuff installed, vs. rebuilding the stock u=
nits?
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igers &lt;[email-masked]&gt; on behalf of Joe Parlanti via T=
igers &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><strong>Sent:</strong> Saturday, Dec=
ember 4, 2021 7:02 AM<br><strong>To:</strong> 'Lance Beauchamp' &lt;blance5=
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: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; margin-left: 0in;" class=3D"x_MsoListP=
aragraph">The engine compartment color should be the body color.</li>=20
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: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; margin-left: 0in;" class=3D"x_MsoListP=
aragraph">I=E2=80=99ve taken engines out dozens of times and out the bottom=
 is the way to go. I normally take 2 of the front crossmember bolts out and=
 thread them into the top inside the engine compartment after putting them =
through a link of large chain. Now you have something to lift with. While s=
upporting the car via this chain and hoist, remove the other 2 crossmember =
bolts. Raise the car up leaving the crossmember (with the wheels still on i=
t) on the ground. You=E2=80=99ll need to wiggle it as things are going up t=
o get it clear. Once high enough, roll the crossmember out from under the c=
ar. Now lower the car back down until the engine rests on an engine dolly. =
Remove the motor mounts and anything else still attached leaving the transm=
ission with the engine. Lift the body leaving the engine on the cradle. Rol=
l the engine / transmission out the front.</li>=20
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: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; margin-left: 0in;" class=3D"x_MsoListP=
aragraph">I drive my car a lot, usually 3,000 to 5,000 miles per year so I =
went with a non-stock approach. I still have my numbers matching 260 in a b=
aggie in my garage but built a very nice 302 for my car. I also installed D=
ale=E2=80=99s 5-speed a couple of years ago. Transformed the car.</li>=20
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-serif;" class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><strong>From:</strong> Tigers &lt;tigers-bou=
[email-masked]&gt; <strong>On Behalf Of </strong>Lance Beauchamp via T=
igers<br><strong>Sent:</strong> Saturday, December 4, 2021 9:22 AM<br><stro=
ng>To:</strong> Tiger Club. Submission &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><st=
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-serif;" class=3D"x_MsoNormal">I've had my midnight blue Tiger 35 years now=
, and when I did my eng over it came out the bottom. Much easier especially=
 when reinstalling a fresh eng into a newly&nbsp; painted compartment which=
 will also be Midnight blue.</p>=20
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s-serif;" class=3D"x_MsoNormal">My car is presently being totally refreshed=
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t..."<br><br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br>&nbsp; &nbsp;1. Engine removal/ pai=
nt questions (steve wick)<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;2. Re: Engine removal/ paint ques=
tions (GARY WINBLAD)<br>&nbsp; &nbsp;3. Re: Engine removal/ paint questions=
 (Daniel Eiland)<br><br><br>-----------------------------------------------=
-----------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2021 02:14:47=
 +0000<br>From: steve wick &lt;<a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:srwick@h=
otmail.com" rel=3D"noopener">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>To: "<a target=
=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"noopener">tigers@a=
utox.team.net</a>" &lt;<a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
m.net" rel=3D"noopener">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>Subject: [Tigers] =
Engine removal/ paint questions<br>Message-ID:<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbs=
p; &lt;<a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:SA1PR06MB83561A6E725A84E67133CDC=
[email-masked]" rel=3D"noopener">SA1PR06MB8=
[email-masked]</a>&gt=
;<br><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"<br><br>This will =
be a long post, so please bear with me. I've had my Tiger for 20 years, but=
 only drove it occasionally. I had constant problems with the wiring and fu=
el system that left me stranded several times. The last 10 years or so, I h=
aven't driven it more than 100 miles per year, mainly due to work, health i=
ssues, time and the unreliability issue. I plan on going through my Tiger t=
his winter, updating the wiring harness and, as a bonus, getting it ready t=
o go back to the original paint color (Midnight Blue) throughout the car. A=
s part of that, I was going to pull the engine and transmission.<br>&nbsp; =
First question. Is the engine compartment body color or black? My car was c=
ompletely repainted, inside and out, in the 70's to some shade of red that =
now needs serious help. The engine compartment was painted black. I figure =
if I'm going to repaint everything, I might as well do it right.<br>&nbsp; =
Second question. I've heard of people pulling the engine from the top and f=
rom the bottom. It's just me, and my bench-pressing days are way behind me,=
 so I won't be lifting the front of the car myself if I pull from the botto=
m. I don't see a good place to attach a hoist. I have a 4-post car lift, so=
 can position the front of the car over the edge of the platform, block up =
the frame under the A pillar and chain the rear frame rails down and lift t=
he whole car in the air, minus the front crossmember/engine/tranny, or remo=
ve the transmission, strip the engine to the block and heads and pull from =
the top. Which would be the best way, and why?<br>&nbsp; Last question. As =
long as the engine/tranny are out, I'm going to "refresh" them. I'm a hot r=
odder at heart, but don't want to mess up a rare car like a Tiger. I'm look=
ing for something just to drive and have fun with, without getting smoked b=
y a Prius. I'm considering using a roller cam 302 and a 5 speed, because of=
 the ZDDP issue, parts availability, reliability, small boost in power, etc=
. How much do I hurt the value of the car by having the original engine/tra=
nny available but newer stuff installed, vs. rebuilding the stock units?<br=
><br>Thanks guys. Looking forward to everyone's input and opinion.<br><br>S=
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>Message: 2<br>Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2021 00:02:32 -0500 (EST)<br>From: GARY WIN=
BLAD &lt;<a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=
=3D"noopener">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>To: steve wick &lt;<a targ=
et=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"noopener">srwick@ho=
tmail.com</a>&gt;, steve wick via Tigers<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &lt=
;<a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"noopener=
">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine removal/ pa=
int questions<br>Message-ID: &lt;<a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:962540=
[email-masked]" rel=3D"noopener">962540784.1=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>Content-Type: text/plai=
n; charset=3D"utf-8"<br><br>Steve,<br><br>Its a shame you couldn't get it r=
eliable in 20 years...<br>A full restore is always nice though.<br>Engine c=
ompartment should be body color, my car was Midnight Blue too and if I ever=
 get around to it, I think I may go back to original too.<br>A 5.0/5speed t=
ransforms the car to a modern car. you won't wan to go back.&nbsp; I just h=
ave a stock cam Mustang engine but its awesome fast<br>and loves to cruise&=
nbsp; at 80 with good mileage.<br>I use my 4-post lift to drop the engine/t=
ranny out the bottom, worked slick.&nbsp; I wouldn't try to hang it over th=
e end though.<br>Gary<br><br><br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;On 12/03/2021 9:14=
 PM steve wick via Tigers &lt;<a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:tigers@au=
tox.team.net" rel=3D"noopener">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt;=
 <br>&gt; <br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;This will be a long post, so please b=
ear with me. I've had my Tiger for 20 years, but only drove it occasionally=
. I had constant problems with the wiring and fuel system that left me stra=
nded several times. The last 10 years or so, I haven't driven it more than =
100 miles per year, mainly due to work, health issues, time and the unrelia=
bility issue. I plan on going through my Tiger this winter, updating the wi=
ring harness and, as a bonus, getting it ready to go back to the original p=
aint color (Midnight Blue) throughout the car. As part of that, I was going=
 to pull the engine and transmission. <br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Fi=
rst question. Is the engine compartment body color or black? My car was com=
pletely repainted, inside and out, in the 70's to some shade of red that no=
w needs serious help. The engine compartment was painted black. I figure if=
 I'm going to repaint everything, I might as well do it right.<br>&gt;&nbsp=
; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Second question. I've heard of people pulling the eng=
ine from the top and from the bottom. It's just me, and my bench-pressing d=
ays are way behind me, so I won't be lifting the front of the car myself if=
 I pull from the bottom. I don't see a good place to attach a hoist. I have=
 a 4-post car lift, so can position the front of the car over the edge of t=
he platform, block up the frame under the A pillar and chain the rear frame=
 rails down and lift the whole car in the air, minus the front crossmember/=
engine/tranny, or remove the transmission, strip the engine to the block an=
d heads and pull from the top. Which would be the best way, and why?<br>&gt=
;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Last question. As long as the engine/tranny are=
 out, I'm going to "refresh" them. I'm a hot rodder at heart, but don't wan=
t to mess up a rare car like a Tiger. I'm looking for something just to dri=
ve and have fun with, without getting smoked by a Prius. I'm considering us=
ing a roller cam 302 and a 5 speed, because of the ZDDP issue, parts availa=
bility, reliability, small boost in power, etc. How much do I hurt the valu=
e of the car by having the original engine/tranny available but newer stuff=
 installed, vs. rebuilding the stock units?<br>&gt; <br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &=
nbsp;Thanks guys. Looking forward to everyone's input and opinion.<br>&gt; =
<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Steve<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;______________=
_________________________________<br>&gt; <br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<a ta=
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2021 05:29:12 +0000 (UTC)<br>From: Daniel Eiland &lt;<a target=3D"_blank" h=
ref=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"noopener">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<b=
r>To: steve wick &lt;<a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
" rel=3D"noopener">[email-masked]</a>&gt;,&nbsp; steve wick via Tigers<=
br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &lt;<a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:tige=
[email-masked]" rel=3D"noopener">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>Subjec=
t: Re: [Tigers] Engine removal/ paint questions<br>Message-ID: &lt;<a targe=
t=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=
 rel=3D"noopener">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br=
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"utf-8"<br><br>Steve,<br>I'm sure ther=
e are more knowledgeable people on the list who can answer your questions, =
but my input is free.<br>On question 1, when I owned my Tiger it was a one =
owner all original car, so my response is based on my old car. The engine c=
ompartment was body color. Entire car was painted body color.<br>Question 2=
, IIRC, the engine was mounted to the front suspension and they dropped the=
 car down onto the suspension. I've always read it was easier and safer to =
do the same if you can. Since I never had to remove my engine and tranny I'=
ll have to leave this to someone more knowledgeable than me.<br>Question 3,=
 I haven't noticed if a stock, original Tiger sells for any more or less th=
an one with an engine and transmission upgrade as long as all the work look=
s like it was done at the factory. The best compromise is to stay with bolt=
-on upgrades only and keep all the original parts and store them properly. =
This way if you ever sell your car and a future owner wants to return it to=
 its original configuration they can easily unbolt your modifications and b=
olt all the original parts back on the car.<br>Hope this helps a little.?<b=
r>Dan Eiland?Ex Tiger Owner<br><br>Sent from AT&amp;T Yahoo Mail on Android=
 <br><br>&nbsp; On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 7:15 PM, steve wick via Tigers&lt;<a=
 target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"noopener">t=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:&nbsp; &nbsp; #yiv8173281967 P {margin-t=
op:0;margin-bottom:0;}This will be a long post, so please bear with me. I'v=
e had my Tiger for 20 years, but only drove it occasionally. I had constant=
 problems with the wiring and fuel system that left me stranded several tim=
es. The last 10 years or so, I haven't driven it more than 100 miles per ye=
ar, mainly due to work, health issues, time and the unreliability issue. I =
plan on going through my Tiger this winter, updating the wiring harness and=
, as a bonus, getting it ready to go back to the original paint color (Midn=
ight Blue) throughout the car. As part of that, I was going to pull the eng=
ine and transmission.?? First question. Is the engine compartment body colo=
r or black? My car was completely repainted, inside and out, in the 70's to=
 some shade of red that now needs serious help. The engine compartment was =
painted black. I figure if I'm going to repaint everything<br>&nbsp;, I mig=
ht as well do it right.? Second question. I've heard of people pulling the =
engine from the top and from the bottom. It's just me, and my bench-pressin=
g days are way behind me, so I won't be lifting the front of the car myself=
 if I pull from the bottom. I don't see a good place to attach a hoist. I h=
ave a 4-post car lift, so can position the front of the car over the edge o=
f the platform, block up the frame under the A pillar and chain the rear fr=
ame rails down and lift the whole car in the air, minus the front crossmemb=
er/engine/tranny, or remove the transmission, strip the engine to the block=
 and heads and pull from the top. Which would be the best way, and why?? La=
st question. As long as the engine/tranny are out, I'm going to "refresh" t=
hem. I'm a hot rodder at heart, but don't want to mess up a rare car like a=
 Tiger. I'm looking for something just to drive and have fun with, without =
getting smoked by a Prius. I'm considering using a roller cam 302 and a 5 s=
peed, because o<br>&nbsp;f the ZDDP issue, parts availability, reliability,=
 small boost in power, etc. How much do I hurt the value of the car by havi=
ng the original engine/tranny available but newer stuff installed, vs. rebu=
ilding the stock units?<br>Thanks guys. Looking forward to everyone's input=
 and opinion.<br>Steve_______________________________________________<br><b=
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Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2021 11:30:32 -0500 (EST)

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Remove radiator, headers, carb, etc.
Slide it forward out of x-frame, let tranny end down and drop it out.  Push=
 the button and raise Tiger off the top.
Gary

>     On 12/05/2021 12:34 AM steve wick <[email-masked]> wrote:
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en I get ready to put it on the lift. I was going to strip the interior and=
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>     Sent: Saturday, December 4, 2021 8:33 AM
>     To: steve wick <[email-masked]>; steve wick via Tigers <tigers@au=
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<[email-masked]>
>     If you use your 4-post lift, you don't have to remove the crossmember=
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body
>     Poor photo attached.  I did use my engine hoist, floor jack and a low=
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>     Gary
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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2021 00:42:09 +0000 (UTC)

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 Hi Steve -=C2=A0Another item for your engine part removal check list: spee=
do cable!=C2=A0 =C2=A0I noticed that it was not listed on that engine remov=
al pdf.- Randy
    On Saturday, December 4, 2021, 09:35:16 PM PST, steve wick via Tigers <=
[email-masked]> wrote: =20
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 Well that would save a lot of time. I'll have to look at it closer when I =
get ready to put it on the lift. I was going to strip the interior and dash=
 first while it's on the ground, and work out from there.
Steve
From: GARY WINBLAD <[email-masked]>
Sent: Saturday, December 4, 2021 8:33 AM
To: steve wick <[email-masked]>; steve wick via Tigers <[email-masked]=
am.net>; Lance Beauchamp <[email-masked]>; [email-masked] <jvpar=
[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fwd: Tigers eng removal=C2=A0If you use your 4-post l=
ift, you don't have to remove the crossmember.=C2=A0 That also keeps the wh=
eels, steering, and brakes working for moving the bodyaround for body and p=
aint! Poor photo attached.=C2=A0 I did use my engine hoist, floor jack and =
a low profile engine/tranny dolly I made.Gary=20

On 12/04/2021 10:15 AM steve wick via Tigers <[email-masked]> wrote:=
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Thanks=C2=A0to all for all the advice on engine removal, compartment color =
and your experiences with updated drivetrains. I think I now know what I'm =
doing.=C2=A0=F0=9F=98=81
Steve=20

From: Tigers <[email-masked]> on behalf of Joe Parlanti via =
Tigers <[email-masked]>
Sent: Saturday, December 4, 2021 7:02 AM
To: 'Lance Beauchamp' <[email-masked]>; [email-masked] <tigers@=
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Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fwd: Tigers eng removal

Steve,

=C2=A0
  =20
   - The engine compartment color should be the body color.
   - I=E2=80=99ve taken engines out dozens of times and out the bottom is t=
he way to go. I normally take 2 of the front crossmember bolts out and thre=
ad them into the top inside the engine compartment after putting them throu=
gh a link of large chain. Now you have something to lift with. While suppor=
ting the car via this chain and hoist, remove the other 2 crossmember bolts=
. Raise the car up leaving the crossmember (with the wheels still on it) on=
 the ground. You=E2=80=99ll need to wiggle it as things are going up to get=
 it clear. Once high enough, roll the crossmember out from under the car. N=
ow lower the car back down until the engine rests on an engine dolly. Remov=
e the motor mounts and anything else still attached leaving the transmissio=
n with the engine. Lift the body leaving the engine on the cradle. Roll the=
 engine / transmission out the front.
   - I drive my car a lot, usually 3,000 to 5,000 miles per year so I went =
with a non-stock approach. I still have my numbers matching 260 in a baggie=
 in my garage but built a very nice 302 for my car. I also installed Dale=
=E2=80=99s 5-speed a couple of years ago. Transformed the car.

=C2=A0

Hope this helps,

=C2=A0

JVP

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Sent: Saturday, December 4, 2021 9:22 AM
To: Tiger Club. Submission <[email-masked]>
Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Tigers eng removal

I've had my midnight blue Tiger 35 years now, and when I did my eng over it=
 came out the bottom. Much easier especially when reinstalling a fresh eng =
into a newly=C2=A0 painted compartment which will also be Midnight blue.

My car is presently being totally refreshed,=C2=A0 good luck and have fun.=
=C2=A0 Beau=C2=A0

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=C2=A0 =C2=A02. Re: Engine removal/ paint questions (GARY WINBLAD)
=C2=A0 =C2=A03. Re: Engine removal/ paint questions (Daniel Eiland)

Message: 1
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2021 02:14:47 +0000
From: steve wick <[email-masked]>
To: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>
Subject: [Tigers] Engine removal/ paint questions
Message-ID:
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This will be a long post, so please bear with me. I've had my Tiger for 20 =
years, but only drove it occasionally. I had constant problems with the wir=
ing and fuel system that left me stranded several times. The last 10 years =
or so, I haven't driven it more than 100 miles per year, mainly due to work=
, health issues, time and the unreliability issue. I plan on going through =
my Tiger this winter, updating the wiring harness and, as a bonus, getting =
it ready to go back to the original paint color (Midnight Blue) throughout =
the car. As part of that, I was going to pull the engine and transmission.
=C2=A0 First question. Is the engine compartment body color or black? My ca=
r was completely repainted, inside and out, in the 70's to some shade of re=
d that now needs serious help. The engine compartment was painted black. I =
figure if I'm going to repaint everything, I might as well do it right.
=C2=A0 Second question. I've heard of people pulling the engine from the to=
p and from the bottom. It's just me, and my bench-pressing days are way beh=
ind me, so I won't be lifting the front of the car myself if I pull from th=
e bottom. I don't see a good place to attach a hoist. I have a 4-post car l=
ift, so can position the front of the car over the edge of the platform, bl=
ock up the frame under the A pillar and chain the rear frame rails down and=
 lift the whole car in the air, minus the front crossmember/engine/tranny, =
or remove the transmission, strip the engine to the block and heads and pul=
l from the top. Which would be the best way, and why?
=C2=A0 Last question. As long as the engine/tranny are out, I'm going to "r=
efresh" them. I'm a hot rodder at heart, but don't want to mess up a rare c=
ar like a Tiger. I'm looking for something just to drive and have fun with,=
 without getting smoked by a Prius. I'm considering using a roller cam 302 =
and a 5 speed, because of the ZDDP issue, parts availability, reliability, =
small boost in power, etc. How much do I hurt the value of the car by havin=
g the original engine/tranny available but newer stuff installed, vs. rebui=
lding the stock units?

Steve
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Steve,

Its a shame you couldn't get it reliable in 20 years...
A full restore is always nice though.
Engine compartment should be body color, my car was Midnight Blue too and i=
f I ever get around to it, I think I may go back to original too.
A 5.0/5speed transforms the car to a modern car. you won't wan to go back.=
=C2=A0 I just have a stock cam Mustang engine but its awesome fast
and loves to cruise=C2=A0 at 80 with good mileage.
I use my 4-post lift to drop the engine/tranny out the bottom, worked slick=
.=C2=A0 I wouldn't try to hang it over the end though.
Gary

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On 12/03/2021 9:14 PM steve wick via Tigers <tigers@au=
tox.team.net> wrote:
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0This will be a long post, so please bear with me. I've=
 had my Tiger for 20 years, but only drove it occasionally. I had constant =
problems with the wiring and fuel system that left me stranded several time=
s. The last 10 years or so, I haven't driven it more than 100 miles per yea=
r, mainly due to work, health issues, time and the unreliability issue. I p=
lan on going through my Tiger this winter, updating the wiring harness and,=
 as a bonus, getting it ready to go back to the original paint color (Midni=
ght Blue) throughout the car. As part of that, I was going to pull the engi=
ne and transmission.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0First question. Is the engine compartment body =
color or black? My car was completely repainted, inside and out, in the 70'=
s to some shade of red that now needs serious help. The engine compartment =
was painted black. I figure if I'm going to repaint everything, I might as =
well do it right.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Second question. I've heard of people pulling t=
he engine from the top and from the bottom. It's just me, and my bench-pres=
sing days are way behind me, so I won't be lifting the front of the car mys=
elf if I pull from the bottom. I don't see a good place to attach a hoist. =
I have a 4-post car lift, so can position the front of the car over the edg=
e of the platform, block up the frame under the A pillar and chain the rear=
 frame rails down and lift the whole car in the air, minus the front crossm=
ember/engine/tranny, or remove the transmission, strip the engine to the bl=
ock and heads and pull from the top. Which would be the best way, and why?
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Last question. As long as the engine/tranny are=
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Thanks guys. Looking forward to everyone's input and o=
pinion.
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Steve
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Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2021 05:29:12 +0000 (UTC)
From: Daniel Eiland <[email-masked]>
To: steve wick <[email-masked]>,=C2=A0 steve wick via Tigers
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine removal/ paint questions

Steve,
I'm sure there are more knowledgeable people on the list who can answer you=
r questions, but my input is free.
On question 1, when I owned my Tiger it was a one owner all original car, s=
o my response is based on my old car. The engine compartment was body color=
. Entire car was painted body color.
Question 2, IIRC, the engine was mounted to the front suspension and they d=
ropped the car down onto the suspension. I've always read it was easier and=
 safer to do the same if you can. Since I never had to remove my engine and=
 tranny I'll have to leave this to someone more knowledgeable than me.
Question 3, I haven't noticed if a stock, original Tiger sells for any more=
 or less than one with an engine and transmission upgrade as long as all th=
e work looks like it was done at the factory. The best compromise is to sta=
y with bolt-on upgrades only and keep all the original parts and store them=
 properly. This way if you ever sell your car and a future owner wants to r=
eturn it to its original configuration they can easily unbolt your modifica=
tions and bolt all the original parts back on the car.
Hope this helps a little.?
Dan Eiland?Ex Tiger Owner

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eam.net> wrote:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 #yiv8173281967 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0=
;}This will be a long post, so please bear with me. I've had my Tiger for 2=
0 years, but only drove it occasionally. I had constant problems with the w=
iring and fuel system that left me stranded several times. The last 10 year=
s or so, I haven't driven it more than 100 miles per year, mainly due to wo=
rk, health issues, time and the unreliability issue. I plan on going throug=
h my Tiger this winter, updating the wiring harness and, as a bonus, gettin=
g it ready to go back to the original paint color (Midnight Blue) throughou=
t the car. As part of that, I was going to pull the engine and transmission=
.?? First question. Is the engine compartment body color or black? My car w=
as completely repainted, inside and out, in the 70's to some shade of red t=
hat now needs serious help. The engine compartment was painted black. I fig=
ure if I'm going to repaint everything
=C2=A0, I might as well do it right.? Second question. I've heard of people=
 pulling the engine from the top and from the bottom. It's just me, and my =
bench-pressing days are way behind me, so I won't be lifting the front of t=
he car myself if I pull from the bottom. I don't see a good place to attach=
 a hoist. I have a 4-post car lift, so can position the front of the car ov=
er the edge of the platform, block up the frame under the A pillar and chai=
n the rear frame rails down and lift the whole car in the air, minus the fr=
ont crossmember/engine/tranny, or remove the transmission, strip the engine=
 to the block and heads and pull from the top. Which would be the best way,=
 and why?? Last question. As long as the engine/tranny are out, I'm going t=
o "refresh" them. I'm a hot rodder at heart, but don't want to mess up a ra=
re car like a Tiger. I'm looking for something just to drive and have fun w=
ith, without getting smoked by a Prius. I'm considering using a roller cam =
302 and a 5 speed, because o
=C2=A0f the ZDDP issue, parts availability, reliability, small boost in pow=
er, etc. How much do I hurt the value of the car by having the original eng=
ine/tranny available but newer stuff installed, vs. rebuilding the stock un=
its?
Thanks guys. Looking forward to everyone's input and opinion.
Steve_______________________________________________

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        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Hi Steve -&nbsp;</div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Another item for your engine part removal =
check list: speedo cable!&nbsp; &nbsp;I noticed that it was not listed on t=
hat engine removal pdf.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">- Randy=
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                    On Saturday, December 4, 2021, 09:35:16 PM PST, steve w=
ick via Tigers &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
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Well that would save a lot of time. I'll have to look at it closer when I g=
et ready to put it on the lift. I was going to strip the interior and dash =
first while it's on the ground, and work out from there.</div>
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ize:11pt;"><b>From:</b> GARY WINBLAD &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br cle=
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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, December 4, 2021 8:33 AM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> steve wick &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; steve wick via Tigers &lt=
;[email-masked]&gt;; Lance Beauchamp &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; jv=
[email-masked] &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Fwd: Tigers eng removal</font>
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<div>If you use your 4-post lift, you don't have to remove the crossmember.=
&nbsp; That also keeps the wheels, steering, and brakes working for moving =
the body
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<div class=3D"ydpe916816cyiv2164677826x_default-style">around for body and =
paint! </div>
<div class=3D"ydpe916816cyiv2164677826x_default-style">Poor photo attached.=
&nbsp; I did use my engine hoist, floor jack and a low profile engine/trann=
y dolly I made.
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<div class=3D"ydpe916816cyiv2164677826x_default-style">Gary </div>
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&gt; wrote: </div>
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Thanks&nbsp;to all for all the advice on engine removal, compartment color =
and your experiences with updated drivetrains. I think I now know what I'm =
doing.&nbsp;<span>=F0=9F=98=81</span>
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From:</strong> Tigers &lt;[email-masked]&gt; on behalf of Jo=
e Parlanti via Tigers &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
<strong>Sent:</strong> Saturday, December 4, 2021 7:02 AM<br clear=3D"none"=
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<strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [Tigers] Fwd: Tigers eng removal</span>
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<span style=3D"color:black;">Steve,</span></p>
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serif;color:black;margin-left:0in;" class=3D"ydpe916816cyiv2164677826x_x_Ms=
oListParagraph">
The engine compartment color should be the body color.</li><li style=3D"mar=
gin:0in 0in 0in 0.5in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:=
black;margin-left:0in;" class=3D"ydpe916816cyiv2164677826x_x_MsoListParagra=
ph">
I=E2=80=99ve taken engines out dozens of times and out the bottom is the wa=
y to go. I normally take 2 of the front crossmember bolts out and thread th=
em into the top inside the engine compartment after putting them through a =
link of large chain. Now you have something
 to lift with. While supporting the car via this chain and hoist, remove th=
e other 2 crossmember bolts. Raise the car up leaving the crossmember (with=
 the wheels still on it) on the ground. You=E2=80=99ll need to wiggle it as=
 things are going up to get it clear. Once
 high enough, roll the crossmember out from under the car. Now lower the ca=
r back down until the engine rests on an engine dolly. Remove the motor mou=
nts and anything else still attached leaving the transmission with the engi=
ne. Lift the body leaving the engine
 on the cradle. Roll the engine / transmission out the front.</li><li style=
=3D"margin:0in 0in 0in 0.5in;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif=
;color:black;margin-left:0in;" class=3D"ydpe916816cyiv2164677826x_x_MsoList=
Paragraph">
I drive my car a lot, usually 3,000 to 5,000 miles per year so I went with =
a non-stock approach. I still have my numbers matching 260 in a baggie in m=
y garage but built a very nice 302 for my car. I also installed Dale=E2=80=
=99s 5-speed a couple of years ago. Transformed
 the car.</li></ol>
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<span style=3D"color:black;">Hope this helps,</span></p>
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<span style=3D"color:black;">JVP</span></p>
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I've had my midnight blue Tiger 35 years now, and when I did my eng over it=
 came out the bottom. Much easier especially when reinstalling a fresh eng =
into a newly&nbsp; painted compartment which will also be Midnight blue.</p=
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My car is presently being totally refreshed,&nbsp; good luck and have fun.&=
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From: steve wick &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" r=
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This will be a long post, so please bear with me. I've had my Tiger for 20 =
years, but only drove it occasionally. I had constant problems with the wir=
ing and fuel system that left me stranded several times. The last 10 years =
or so, I haven't driven it more
 than 100 miles per year, mainly due to work, health issues, time and the u=
nreliability issue. I plan on going through my Tiger this winter, updating =
the wiring harness and, as a bonus, getting it ready to go back to the orig=
inal paint color (Midnight Blue)
 throughout the car. As part of that, I was going to pull the engine and tr=
ansmission.<br clear=3D"none">
&nbsp; First question. Is the engine compartment body color or black? My ca=
r was completely repainted, inside and out, in the 70's to some shade of re=
d that now needs serious help. The engine compartment was painted black. I =
figure if I'm going to repaint everything,
 I might as well do it right.<br clear=3D"none">
&nbsp; Second question. I've heard of people pulling the engine from the to=
p and from the bottom. It's just me, and my bench-pressing days are way beh=
ind me, so I won't be lifting the front of the car myself if I pull from th=
e bottom. I don't see a good place to
 attach a hoist. I have a 4-post car lift, so can position the front of the=
 car over the edge of the platform, block up the frame under the A pillar a=
nd chain the rear frame rails down and lift the whole car in the air, minus=
 the front crossmember/engine/tranny,
 or remove the transmission, strip the engine to the block and heads and pu=
ll from the top. Which would be the best way, and why?<br clear=3D"none">
&nbsp; Last question. As long as the engine/tranny are out, I'm going to "r=
efresh" them. I'm a hot rodder at heart, but don't want to mess up a rare c=
ar like a Tiger. I'm looking for something just to drive and have fun with,=
 without getting smoked by a Prius. I'm
 considering using a roller cam 302 and a 5 speed, because of the ZDDP issu=
e, parts availability, reliability, small boost in power, etc. How much do =
I hurt the value of the car by having the original engine/tranny available =
but newer stuff installed, vs. rebuilding
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Its a shame you couldn't get it reliable in 20 years...<br clear=3D"none">
A full restore is always nice though.<br clear=3D"none">
Engine compartment should be body color, my car was Midnight Blue too and i=
f I ever get around to it, I think I may go back to original too.<br clear=
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A 5.0/5speed transforms the car to a modern car. you won't wan to go back.&=
nbsp; I just have a stock cam Mustang engine but its awesome fast<br clear=
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and loves to cruise&nbsp; at 80 with good mileage.<br clear=3D"none">
I use my 4-post lift to drop the engine/tranny out the bottom, worked slick=
.&nbsp; I wouldn't try to hang it over the end though.<br clear=3D"none">
Gary<br clear=3D"none">
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&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;On 12/03/2021 9:14 PM steve wick via Tigers &lt;<a =
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&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;This will be a long post, so please bear with me. I=
've had my Tiger for 20 years, but only drove it occasionally. I had consta=
nt problems with the wiring and fuel system that left me stranded several t=
imes. The last 10 years or so, I haven't driven it
 more than 100 miles per year, mainly due to work, health issues, time and =
the unreliability issue. I plan on going through my Tiger this winter, upda=
ting the wiring harness and, as a bonus, getting it ready to go back to the=
 original paint color (Midnight
 Blue) throughout the car. As part of that, I was going to pull the engine =
and transmission.
<br clear=3D"none">
&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;First question. Is the engine compartment bo=
dy color or black? My car was completely repainted, inside and out, in the =
70's to some shade of red that now needs serious help. The engine compartme=
nt was painted black. I figure if I'm going to repaint
 everything, I might as well do it right.<br clear=3D"none">
&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Second question. I've heard of people pullin=
g the engine from the top and from the bottom. It's just me, and my bench-p=
ressing days are way behind me, so I won't be lifting the front of the car =
myself if I pull from the bottom. I don't see a good place
 to attach a hoist. I have a 4-post car lift, so can position the front of =
the car over the edge of the platform, block up the frame under the A pilla=
r and chain the rear frame rails down and lift the whole car in the air, mi=
nus the front crossmember/engine/tranny,
 or remove the transmission, strip the engine to the block and heads and pu=
ll from the top. Which would be the best way, and why?<br clear=3D"none">
&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Last question. As long as the engine/tranny =
are out, I'm going to "refresh" them. I'm a hot rodder at heart, but don't =
want to mess up a rare car like a Tiger. I'm looking for something just to =
drive and have fun with, without getting smoked by a Prius.
 I'm considering using a roller cam 302 and a 5 speed, because of the ZDDP =
issue, parts availability, reliability, small boost in power, etc. How much=
 do I hurt the value of the car by having the original engine/tranny availa=
ble but newer stuff installed, vs.
 rebuilding the stock units?<br clear=3D"none">
&gt; <br clear=3D"none">
&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Thanks guys. Looking forward to everyone's input an=
d opinion.<br clear=3D"none">
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&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Steve<br clear=3D"none">
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I'm sure there are more knowledgeable people on the list who can answer you=
r questions, but my input is free.<br clear=3D"none">
On question 1, when I owned my Tiger it was a one owner all original car, s=
o my response is based on my old car. The engine compartment was body color=
. Entire car was painted body color.<br clear=3D"none">
Question 2, IIRC, the engine was mounted to the front suspension and they d=
ropped the car down onto the suspension. I've always read it was easier and=
 safer to do the same if you can. Since I never had to remove my engine and=
 tranny I'll have to leave this
 to someone more knowledgeable than me.<br clear=3D"none">
Question 3, I haven't noticed if a stock, original Tiger sells for any more=
 or less than one with an engine and transmission upgrade as long as all th=
e work looks like it was done at the factory. The best compromise is to sta=
y with bolt-on upgrades only and
 keep all the original parts and store them properly. This way if you ever =
sell your car and a future owner wants to return it to its original configu=
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&nbsp; On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 7:15 PM, steve wick via Tigers&lt;<a shape=3D=
"rect" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_bl=
ank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:&nbsp; &nbsp; #yiv8173281967 P {ma=
rgin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}This will be a long post, so please bear with
 me. I've had my Tiger for 20 years, but only drove it occasionally. I had =
constant problems with the wiring and fuel system that left me stranded sev=
eral times. The last 10 years or so, I haven't driven it more than 100 mile=
s per year, mainly due to work,
 health issues, time and the unreliability issue. I plan on going through m=
y Tiger this winter, updating the wiring harness and, as a bonus, getting i=
t ready to go back to the original paint color (Midnight Blue) throughout t=
he car. As part of that, I was going
 to pull the engine and transmission.?? First question. Is the engine compa=
rtment body color or black? My car was completely repainted, inside and out=
, in the 70's to some shade of red that now needs serious help. The engine =
compartment was painted black. I
 figure if I'm going to repaint everything<br clear=3D"none">
&nbsp;, I might as well do it right.? Second question. I've heard of people=
 pulling the engine from the top and from the bottom. It's just me, and my =
bench-pressing days are way behind me, so I won't be lifting the front of t=
he car myself if I pull from the bottom.
 I don't see a good place to attach a hoist. I have a 4-post car lift, so c=
an position the front of the car over the edge of the platform, block up th=
e frame under the A pillar and chain the rear frame rails down and lift the=
 whole car in the air, minus the
 front crossmember/engine/tranny, or remove the transmission, strip the eng=
ine to the block and heads and pull from the top. Which would be the best w=
ay, and why?? Last question. As long as the engine/tranny are out, I'm goin=
g to "refresh" them. I'm a hot rodder
 at heart, but don't want to mess up a rare car like a Tiger. I'm looking f=
or something just to drive and have fun with, without getting smoked by a P=
rius. I'm considering using a roller cam 302 and a 5 speed, because o<br cl=
ear=3D"none">
&nbsp;f the ZDDP issue, parts availability, reliability, small boost in pow=
er, etc. How much do I hurt the value of the car by having the original eng=
ine/tranny available but newer stuff installed, vs. rebuilding the stock un=
its?<br clear=3D"none">
Thanks guys. Looking forward to everyone's input and opinion.<br clear=3D"n=
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