Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue

From: Michael Wood via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 29 May 2021 00:22:14 +0000 (UTC)

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I just talked to Tom. He's still using and recommending use of a hydraulic/=
annular TO bearing. But, he won't use the McLeod piece, only Tilton, these =
days.=C2=A0
Mike

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From: Jerry Christopherson <[email-masked]>
To: Tiger Autox <[email-masked]>
Sent: Fri, May 28, 2021 2:50 pm
Subject: [Tigers] Clutch issue

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Well, I did some measuring today (by the way the new clutch and cylinder ki=
ts didn=E2=80=99t solve my problem) and thought I would pass on info for an=
ybody that is interested.

The actual amount of movement of the slave cylinder with a full to the floo=
r movement of the clutch peddle is .745=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 The measure of the =
piston movement from the very back to when the piston comes to the very fro=
nt of the cylinder (not protruding) is like I mentioned before is 1.35=E2=
=80=9D, so that leaves approximately .605=E2=80=9D more potential movement =
to apply to the clutch arm.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m hoping the .700 Girling maste=
r cylinder I just ordered will take up just that amount. I can only hope.=
=C2=A0 HA!=C2=A0 If not I=E2=80=99ll pull the engine and tranny again and g=
et a CF clutch.=C2=A0 As for a annular TO bearing, my friend has a highly m=
odified Mazda with a 331 Ford engine for road racing with a annular TO bear=
ing and it works very well with the stock master cylinder. I would be very =
interested in why TH doesn=E2=80=99t like them anymore.

Jerry=C2=A0=20

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f; font-size: 10pt; color: black;">I just talked to Tom. He's still using a=
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e McLeod piece, only Tilton, these days.&nbsp;</div><div style=3D"font-fami=
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e-----<br>From: Jerry Christopherson &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>To:=
 Tiger Autox &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>Sent: Fri, May 28, 2021 2:50 =
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ans-serif';">Well, I did some measuring today (by the way the new clutch an=
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f';">The actual amount of movement of the slave cylinder with a full to the=
 floor movement of the clutch peddle is .745=E2=80=9D.&nbsp; The measure of=
 the piston movement from the very back to when the piston comes to the ver=
y front of the cylinder (not protruding) is like I mentioned before is 1.35=
=E2=80=9D, so that leaves approximately .605=E2=80=9D more potential moveme=
nt to apply to the clutch arm.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99m hoping the .700 Girling ma=
ster cylinder I just ordered will take up just that amount. I can only hope=
.&nbsp; HA!&nbsp; If not I=E2=80=99ll pull the engine and tranny again and =
get a CF clutch.&nbsp; As for a annular TO bearing, my friend has a highly =
modified Mazda with a 331 Ford engine for road racing with a annular TO bea=
ring and it works very well with the stock master cylinder. I would be very=
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From: Gary <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 28 May 2021 18:49:39 -0700

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Thanks Mike,
Ok, yeah he was recommending the McCleod with his mod to the fittings...
Paul Reisentz also told me that McCLeod themselves did not recommend 
their part for use in Tigers!

Tilton..  or are there any more details on your Australian job?
Gary

On 5/28/2021 5:22 PM, Michael Wood via Tigers wrote:
> I just talked to Tom. He's still using and recommending use of a 
> hydraulic/annular TO bearing. But, he won't use the McLeod piece, only 
> Tilton, these days.
>
> Mike
>
> Well, I did some measuring today (by the way the new clutch and 
> cylinder kits didn’t solve my problem) and thought I would pass on 
> info for anybody that is interested.
>
> The actual amount of movement of the slave cylinder with a full to the 
> floor movement of the clutch peddle is .745”.  The measure of the 
> piston movement from the very back to when the piston comes to the 
> very front of the cylinder (not protruding) is like I mentioned before 
> is 1.35”, so that leaves approximately .605” more potential movement 
> to apply to the clutch arm.  I’m hoping the .700 Girling master 
> cylinder I just ordered will take up just that amount. I can only 
> hope.  HA!  If not I’ll pull the engine and tranny again and get a CF 
> clutch.  As for a annular TO bearing, my friend has a highly modified 
> Mazda with a 331 Ford engine for road racing with a annular TO bearing 
> and it works very well with the stock master cylinder. I would be very 
> interested in why TH doesn’t like them anymore.
>
> Jerry
>
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    Thanks Mike,<br>
    Ok, yeah he was recommending the McCleod with his mod to the
    fittings...<br>
    Paul Reisentz also told me that McCLeod themselves did not recommend
    their part for use in Tigers!<br>
    <br>
    Tilton..  or are there any more details on your Australian job?<br>
    Gary<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/28/2021 5:22 PM, Michael Wood via
      Tigers wrote:<br>
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          just talked to Tom. He's still using and recommending use of a
          hydraulic/annular TO bearing. But, he won't use the McLeod
          piece, only Tilton, these days. </div>
        <div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:
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          <br>
          -----Original Message-----<br>
          From: Jerry Christopherson <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
          To: Tiger Autox <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
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                  data-mce-style="font-size: 14.0pt; font-family:
                  'Arial', 'sans-serif';">Well, I did some measuring
                  today (by the way the new clutch and cylinder kits
                  didn’t solve my problem) and thought I would pass on
                  info for anybody that is interested.</span></p>
              <p class="yiv0573246600MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:
                  14.0pt; font-family: 'Arial', 'sans-serif';"
                  data-mce-style="font-size: 14.0pt; font-family:
                  'Arial', 'sans-serif';">The actual amount of movement
                  of the slave cylinder with a full to the floor
                  movement of the clutch peddle is .745”.  The measure
                  of the piston movement from the very back to when the
                  piston comes to the very front of the cylinder (not
                  protruding) is like I mentioned before is 1.35”, so
                  that leaves approximately .605” more potential
                  movement to apply to the clutch arm.  I’m hoping the
                  .700 Girling master cylinder I just ordered will take
                  up just that amount. I can only hope.  HA!  If not
                  I’ll pull the engine and tranny again and get a CF
                  clutch.  As for a annular TO bearing, my friend has a
                  highly modified Mazda with a 331 Ford engine for road
                  racing with a annular TO bearing and it works very
                  well with the stock master cylinder. I would be very
                  interested in why TH doesn’t like them anymore.</span></p>
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                  14.0pt; font-family: 'Arial', 'sans-serif';"
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From: Michael Wood via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 29 May 2021 02:24:31 +0000 (UTC)

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Gary, the McLeod in "Blue" (Tom's med blue car) is still going strong after=
 25 years, so I'm not sure why he bailed. I think it is mostly because he's=
 had no complaints about the Tilton and likes doing the conversion using th=
eir 7/8" master.=C2=A0

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Sent: Fri, May 28, 2021 6:50 pm
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue

 Thanks Mike,
 Ok, yeah he was recommending the McCleod with his mod to the fittings...
 Paul Reisentz also told me that McCLeod themselves did not recommend their=
 part for use in Tigers!
=20
 Tilton..=C2=A0 or are there any more details on your Australian job?
 Gary
=20
 On 5/28/2021 5:22 PM, Michael Wood via Tigers wrote:
 =20
=20
 I just talked to Tom. He's still using and recommending use of a hydraulic=
/annular TO bearing. But, he won't use the McLeod piece, only Tilton, these=
 days.=C2=A0=20
  Mike
=20
 -----Original Message-----
 From: Jerry Christopherson <[email-masked]>
 To: Tiger Autox <[email-masked]>
 Sent: Fri, May 28, 2021 2:50 pm
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Well, I did some measuring today (by the way the new clutch and cylinder ki=
ts didn=E2=80=99t solve my problem) and thought I would pass on info for an=
ybody that is interested.
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The actual amount of movement of the slave cylinder with a full to the floo=
r movement of the clutch peddle is .745=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 The measure of the =
piston movement from the very back to when the piston comes to the very fro=
nt of the cylinder (not protruding) is like I mentioned before is 1.35=E2=
=80=9D, so that leaves approximately .605=E2=80=9D more potential movement =
to apply to the clutch arm.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m hoping the .700 Girling maste=
r cylinder I just ordered will take up just that amount. I can only hope.=
=C2=A0 HA!=C2=A0 If not I=E2=80=99ll pull the engine and tranny again and g=
et a CF clutch.=C2=A0 As for a annular TO bearing, my friend has a highly m=
odified Mazda with a 331 Ford engine for road racing with a annular TO bear=
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interested in why TH doesn=E2=80=99t like them anymore.
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lack;"><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;=
color:black;">Gary, the McLeod in "Blue" (Tom's med blue car) is still goin=
g strong after 25 years, so I'm not sure why he bailed. I think it is mostl=
y because he's had no complaints about the Tilton and likes doing the conve=
rsion using their 7/8" master.&nbsp;</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,h=
elvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black;"><br></div><div style=3D"fo=
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<br>To: [email-masked]<br>Sent: Fri, May 28, 2021 6:50 pm<br>Subject=
: Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue<br><br></div><div id=3D"yiv8877381035"><div>
    Thanks Mike,<br clear=3D"none">
    Ok, yeah he was recommending the McCleod with his mod to the
    fittings...<br clear=3D"none">
    Paul Reisentz also told me that McCLeod themselves did not recommend
    their part for use in Tigers!<br clear=3D"none">
    <br clear=3D"none">
    Tilton..&nbsp; or are there any more details on your Australian job?<br=
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    Gary<br clear=3D"none">
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<div class=3D"yiv8877381035moz-cite-prefix">On 5/28/2021 5:22 PM, Michael W=
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        <div style=3D"font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10=
pt;color:black;">I
          just talked to Tom. He's still using and recommending use of a
          hydraulic/annular TO bearing. But, he won't use the McLeod
          piece, only Tilton, these days.&nbsp;</div>
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          Sent: Fri, May 28, 2021 2:50 pm<br clear=3D"none">
          Subject: [Tigers] Clutch issue<br clear=3D"none">
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              <p class=3D"yiv8877381035MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:=
14.0pt;font-family:'Arial', 'sans-serif';">Well, I did some measuring
                  today (by the way the new clutch and cylinder kits
                  didn=E2=80=99t solve my problem) and thought I would pass=
 on
                  info for anybody that is interested.</span></p>
              <p class=3D"yiv8877381035MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:=
14.0pt;font-family:'Arial', 'sans-serif';">The actual amount of movement
                  of the slave cylinder with a full to the floor
                  movement of the clutch peddle is .745=E2=80=9D.&nbsp; The=
 measure
                  of the piston movement from the very back to when the
                  piston comes to the very front of the cylinder (not
                  protruding) is like I mentioned before is 1.35=E2=80=9D, =
so
                  that leaves approximately .605=E2=80=9D more potential
                  movement to apply to the clutch arm.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99m ho=
ping the
                  .700 Girling master cylinder I just ordered will take
                  up just that amount. I can only hope.&nbsp; HA!&nbsp; If =
not
                  I=E2=80=99ll pull the engine and tranny again and get a C=
F
                  clutch.&nbsp; As for a annular TO bearing, my friend has =
a
                  highly modified Mazda with a 331 Ford engine for road
                  racing with a annular TO bearing and it works very
                  well with the stock master cylinder. I would be very
                  interested in why TH doesn=E2=80=99t like them anymore.</=
span></p>
              <p class=3D"yiv8877381035MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:=
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