Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue

From: Gary <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 28 May 2021 13:01:38 -0700

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Mike,
Which one did you go with?
Paul R. told me Tom doesn=E2=80=99t recommend them anymore?
It seems like a great solution to me.
  Everyone always points out how hard it is
to replace it when it goes bad but it would
 be a lot easier than the one in my C5 and I
did have to do that but it lasted 120K.
Gary

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 28, 2021, at 9:50 AM, Michael Wood <[email-masked]> wrote:
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> This whole discussion is part of the reason why I went to an annular throw=
out bearing on my car a number of years ago. The other reason was I just did=
n't like the affect all the external slave/arm geometry creates. I've been v=
ery happy with the change.=20
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron Fraser via Tigers <[email-masked]>
> To: 'Gary' <[email-masked]>; [email-masked]
> Sent: Fri, May 28, 2021 8:50 am
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue
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> Gary
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>                 My point here is that if you drop the clutch rod you=E2=80=
=99re not going anywhere.
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> =20
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> Your spring with the stock clip is excellent but what if something unexpec=
ted happens.
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> Rust happens, road debris happens, cylinder rubber seals degrade happens, m=
any things can happen out on the road.
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> =20
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> Call it safety wire or tether wire, I want to make sure not matter what th=
e clutch rod is not lost and I have to be towed.
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> Safety wire is usually stainless steel so it should not rust and it is jus=
t there with no tension or flexing, its just along for the ride until its ne=
eded.
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> Ron Fraser
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> From: Tigers <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Gary
> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 10:10 AM
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue
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> I've never heard of safety wire but if you have the stock clip to hold the=
 rod to the clutch arm,
> and you add a return spring to the clutch arm, there isn't much of a way f=
or it to fall out.
> And you will get max stroke and save the throwout bearing.
> Gary
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> On 5/28/2021 5:19 AM, Ron Fraser wrote:
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> Jerry
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>                 I always recommend that everyone should put safety wire on=
 the clutch rod =E2=80=93 just in case the rod gets into a position it could=
 fall.
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> =20
>=20
> If the clutch rod falls out your basically a tow it away car.
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> I think I have a safety wire on the clutch rod to the clutch fork; this sh=
ould prevent the rod from ever totally leaving the car.
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> =20
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> Ron Fraser
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> =20
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> From: Tigers <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Jerry Christophe=
rson
> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 12:03 AM
> To: Tiger Autox <[email-masked]>
> Subject: [Tigers] Clutch issue
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> =20
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> Thanks for the ideas from all of you.  The issue of a longer push rod (whi=
ch I have, 4.5 inches) is that you can only go up against the throw out bear=
ing just so far.  Right now I=E2=80=99m touching the bearing (which I don=E2=
=80=99t want of course).  Today I received my order from S.S. (new kits for t=
he master and slave) and it seems to have improved the issue, I=E2=80=99ll t=
ry driving the car tomorrow to see if it=E2=80=99s livable. I let someone ta=
lk me into a  RAM clutch, should have gone with a Centerforce maybe?  Rick f=
rom S. S. said people have had good luck with them.   I=E2=80=99m now of the=
 feeling if you aren=E2=80=99t racing, a standard Mustang clutch is more tha=
n enough for the Tiger.  The idea of a higher volume (larger dia.) master al=
so suggested by Rick, is that it will make the peddle force higher.  Another=
 issue is how far can one allow the slave  piston to travel without coming o=
ut of the cylinder (mine does not have the retaining clip like it shoes in t=
he manual).  Mine has a max movement of around 1.350, The piston could come o=
ut another .300 ,but that would have the front of the piston .300 past the e=
nd of the cylinder, probably not a good thing!
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> Thanks again for your responses!  Jerry
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Mike,<div>Which one did you go with?</div><=
div>Paul R. told me Tom doesn=E2=80=99t recommend them anymore?</div><div>It=
 seems like a great solution to me.</div><div>&nbsp;&nbsp;Everyone always po=
ints out how hard it is</div><div>to replace it when it goes bad but it woul=
d</div><div>&nbsp;be a lot easier than the one in my C5 and I</div><div>did h=
ave to do that but it lasted 120K.</div><div>Gary</div><div><br></div><div><=
br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquot=
e type=3D"cite">On May 28, 2021, at 9:50 AM, Michael Wood &lt;mwood24020@aol=
.com&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=
=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:arial,helvetica,s=
ans-serif;color:black;"><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif=
;font-size:10pt;color:black;">This whole discussion is part of the reason wh=
y I went to an annular throwout bearing on my car a number of years ago. The=
 other reason was I just didn't like the affect all the external slave/arm g=
eometry creates. I've been very happy with the change.&nbsp;<br><br><br>----=
-Original Message-----<br>From: Ron Fraser via Tigers &lt;[email-masked].=
net&gt;<br>To: 'Gary' &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; [email-masked]=
<br>Sent: Fri, May 28, 2021 8:50 am<br>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue<br=
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#yiv4255645540 </style><div><div class=3D"yiv4255645540WordSection1"><p clas=
s=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNormal">Gary</p><p class=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNormal">&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp; My point here is that if you drop the clutch rod you=E2=80=99re n=
ot going anywhere.</p><p class=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p clas=
s=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNormal">Your spring with the stock clip is excellent bu=
t what if something unexpected happens.</p><p class=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNorma=
l">Rust happens, road debris happens, cylinder rubber seals degrade happens,=
 many things can happen out on the road.</p><p class=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNorm=
al"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNormal">Call it safety wire or te=
ther wire, I want to make sure not matter what the clutch rod is not lost an=
d I have to be towed.</p><p class=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNormal">Safety wire is u=
sually stainless steel so it should not rust and it is just there with no te=
nsion or flexing, its just along for the ride until its needed.</p><p class=3D=
"yiv4255645540MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNormal">Ron =
Fraser</p><p class=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"yiv4255=
645540MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><div class=3D"yiv4255645540yqt3361986894" id=3D"=
yiv4255645540yqt93097"><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1=
E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><p class=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNormal"><b>=
From:</b> Tigers &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>G=
ary<br clear=3D"none"><b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 28, 2021 10:10 AM<br clear=3D=
"none"><b>To:</b> [email-masked]<br clear=3D"none"><b>Subject:</b> Re=
: [Tigers] Clutch issue</p></div></div><p class=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNormal"> &=
nbsp;</p><p class=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"=
>I've never heard of safety wire but if you have the stock clip to hold the r=
od to the clutch arm,<br clear=3D"none">and you add a return spring to the c=
lutch arm, there isn't much of a way for it to fall out.<br clear=3D"none">A=
nd you will get max stroke and save the throwout bearing.<br clear=3D"none">=
Gary<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></p><div><p class=3D"yiv4255645540=
MsoNormal">On 5/28/2021 5:19 AM, Ron Fraser wrote:</p></div><blockquote styl=
e=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><p class=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNorm=
al">Jerry</p><p class=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I always rec=
ommend that everyone should put safety wire on the clutch rod =E2=80=93 just=
 in case the rod gets into a position it could fall.</p><p class=3D"yiv42556=
45540MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p><p class=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNormal">If the clutch r=
od falls out your basically a tow it away car.</p><p class=3D"yiv4255645540M=
soNormal">I think I have a safety wire on the clutch rod to the clutch fork;=
 this should prevent the rod from ever totally leaving the car. </p><p class=
=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p><p class=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNormal">Ro=
n Fraser</p><p class=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p><div><div style=3D=
"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><p c=
lass=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Tigers <a rel=3D"nofollow noope=
ner noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
et" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;tige=
[email-masked]&gt;</a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jerry Christopherson<b=
r clear=3D"none"><b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 28, 2021 12:03 AM<br clear=3D"none=
"><b>To:</b> Tiger Autox <a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"re=
ct" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailt=
o:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br clear=3D"none"=
><b>Subject:</b> [Tigers] Clutch issue</p></div></div><p class=3D"yiv4255645=
540MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p><p class=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNormal"><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:14.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">Thanks for the ideas from all of yo=
u.&nbsp; The issue of a longer push rod (which I have, 4.5 inches) is that y=
ou can only go up against the throw out bearing just so far.&nbsp; Right now=
 I=E2=80=99m touching the bearing (which I don=E2=80=99t want of course).&nb=
sp; Today I received my order from S.S. (new kits for the master and slave) a=
nd it seems to have improved the issue, I=E2=80=99ll try driving the car tom=
orrow to see if it=E2=80=99s livable. I let someone talk me into a &nbsp;RAM=
 clutch, should have gone with a Centerforce maybe?&nbsp; Rick from S. S. sa=
id people have had good luck with them. &nbsp;&nbsp;I=E2=80=99m now of the f=
eeling if you aren=E2=80=99t racing, a standard Mustang clutch is more than e=
nough for the Tiger. &nbsp;The idea of a higher volume (larger dia.) master a=
lso suggested by Rick, is that it will make the peddle force higher.&nbsp; A=
nother issue is how far can one allow the slave&nbsp; piston to travel witho=
ut coming out of the cylinder (mine does not have the retaining clip like it=
 shoes in the manual).&nbsp; Mine has a max movement of around 1.350, The pi=
ston could come out another .300 ,but that would have the front of the pisto=
n .300 past the end of the cylinder, probably not a good thing!</span></p><p=
 class=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-famil=
y:sans-serif;">Thanks again for your responses!&nbsp; Jerry</span></p><p cla=
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From: Michael Wood via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 28 May 2021 21:00:50 +0000 (UTC)

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Gary, we prototyped an Aussie Ford factory part (I think Thomo found it, or=
iginally) on my car, along with a Centerforce clutch. After six years and t=
housands of miles (my car gets driven a lot), it continues to work flawless=
ly. What I really like is how linear/smooth it feels. I've also run annular=
 TO bearings on numerous formula cars I've raced with good reliability.=C2=
=A0I hadn't heard Tom wasn't using them anymore. Wonder why?=C2=A0

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary <[email-masked]>
To: Michael Wood <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked]
Sent: Fri, May 28, 2021 1:01 pm
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue

Mike,Which one did you go with?Paul R. told me Tom doesn=E2=80=99t recommen=
d them anymore?It seems like a great solution to me.=C2=A0=C2=A0Everyone al=
ways points out how hard it isto replace it when it goes bad but it would=
=C2=A0be a lot easier than the one in my C5 and Idid have to do that but it=
 lasted 120K.Gary

Sent from my iPhone

=EF=BB=BFThis whole discussion is part of the reason why I went to an annul=
ar throwout bearing on my car a number of years ago. The other reason was I=
 just didn't like the affect all the external slave/arm geometry creates. I=
've been very happy with the change.=C2=A0

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Fraser via Tigers <[email-masked]>
To: 'Gary' <[email-masked]>; [email-masked]
Sent: Fri, May 28, 2021 8:50 am
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue

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=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 My point here is that if you drop the clutch rod you=E2=80=
=99re not going anywhere.

 =C2=A0

Your spring with the stock clip is excellent but what if something unexpect=
ed happens.

 =C2=A0

Call it safety wire or tether wire, I want to make sure not matter what the=
 clutch rod is not lost and I have to be towed.

Safety wire is usually stainless steel so it should not rust and it is just=
 there with no tension or flexing, its just along for the ride until its ne=
eded.

 =C2=A0

Ron Fraser

 =C2=A0

 =C2=A0

 =C2=A0

I've never heard of safety wire but if you have the stock clip to hold the =
rod to the clutch arm,
and you add a return spring to the clutch arm, there isn't much of a way fo=
r it to fall out.
And you will get max stroke and save the throwout bearing.
Gary

Jerry

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I always recommend that everyone should put safety wire on =
the clutch rod =E2=80=93 just in case the rod gets into a position it could=
 fall.

=C2=A0

I think I have a safety wire on the clutch rod to the clutch fork; this sho=
uld prevent the rod from ever totally leaving the car.=20

=C2=A0

Ron Fraser

=C2=A0

From: Tigers <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Jerry Christopher=
son
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 12:03 AM
To: Tiger Autox <[email-masked]>
Subject: [Tigers] Clutch issue

=C2=A0

Thanks for the ideas from all of you.=C2=A0 The issue of a longer push rod =
(which I have, 4.5 inches) is that you can only go up against the throw out=
 bearing just so far.=C2=A0 Right now I=E2=80=99m touching the bearing (whi=
ch I don=E2=80=99t want of course).=C2=A0 Today I received my order from S.=
S. (new kits for the master and slave) and it seems to have improved the is=
sue, I=E2=80=99ll try driving the car tomorrow to see if it=E2=80=99s livab=
le. I let someone talk me into a =C2=A0RAM clutch, should have gone with a =
Centerforce maybe?=C2=A0 Rick from S. S. said people have had good luck wit=
h them. =C2=A0=C2=A0I=E2=80=99m now of the feeling if you aren=E2=80=99t ra=
cing, a standard Mustang clutch is more than enough for the Tiger. =C2=A0Th=
e idea of a higher volume (larger dia.) master also suggested by Rick, is t=
hat it will make the peddle force higher.=C2=A0 Another issue is how far ca=
n one allow the slave=C2=A0 piston to travel without coming out of the cyli=
nder (mine does not have the retaining clip like it shoes in the manual).=
=C2=A0 Mine has a max movement of around 1.350, The piston could come out a=
nother .300 ,but that would have the front of the piston .300 past the end =
of the cylinder, probably not a good thing!

Thanks again for your responses!=C2=A0 Jerry

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<div style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:b=
lack;"><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;=
color:black;">Gary, we prototyped an Aussie Ford factory part (I think Thom=
o found it, originally) on my car, along with a Centerforce clutch. After s=
ix years and thousands of miles (my car gets driven a lot), it continues to=
 work flawlessly. What I really like is how linear/smooth it feels. I've al=
so run annular TO bearings on numerous formula cars I've raced with good re=
liability.&nbsp;</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;=
font-size:10pt;color:black;">I hadn't heard Tom wasn't using them anymore. =
Wonder why?&nbsp;<br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Gary &lt;g=
[email-masked]&gt;<br>To: Michael Wood &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<b=
r>Cc: [email-masked]<br>Sent: Fri, May 28, 2021 1:01 pm<br>Subject: =
Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue<br><br></div><div id=3D"yiv5687852743"><div>Mike,=
<div>Which one did you go with?</div><div>Paul R. told me Tom doesn=E2=80=
=99t recommend them anymore?</div><div>It seems like a great solution to me=
.</div><div>&nbsp;&nbsp;Everyone always points out how hard it is</div><div=
>to replace it when it goes bad but it would</div><div>&nbsp;be a lot easie=
r than the one in my C5 and I</div><div>did have to do that but it lasted 1=
20K.</div><div>Gary</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div><br clear=3D"no=
ne"><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=
=3D"yiv5687852743yqt8876927357" id=3D"yiv5687852743yqtfd53948"><br clear=3D=
"none"><blockquote type=3D"cite">On May 28, 2021, at 9:50 AM, Michael Wood =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></bl=
ockquote></div></div><div class=3D"yiv5687852743yqt8876927357" id=3D"yiv568=
7852743yqtfd36696"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div=
 style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;color:bla=
ck;"><div style=3D"font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;=
color:black;">This whole discussion is part of the reason why I went to an =
annular throwout bearing on my car a number of years ago. The other reason =
was I just didn't like the affect all the external slave/arm geometry creat=
es. I've been very happy with the change.&nbsp;<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=
=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">-----Original Message-----<br clear=3D"none">F=
rom: Ron Fraser via Tigers &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=3D"none">=
To: 'Gary' &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; [email-masked]<br clear=
=3D"none">Sent: Fri, May 28, 2021 8:50 am<br clear=3D"none">Subject: Re: [T=
igers] Clutch issue<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div id=3D"y=
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#yiv5687852743 </style><div><div class=3D"yiv5687852743WordSection1"><p cla=
ss=3D"yiv5687852743MsoNormal">Gary</p><p class=3D"yiv5687852743MsoNormal">&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp; My point here is that if you drop the clutch rod you=E2=80=
=99re not going anywhere.</p><p class=3D"yiv5687852743MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p=
><p class=3D"yiv5687852743MsoNormal">Your spring with the stock clip is exc=
ellent but what if something unexpected happens.</p><p class=3D"yiv56878527=
43MsoNormal">Rust happens, road debris happens, cylinder rubber seals degra=
de happens, many things can happen out on the road.</p><p class=3D"yiv56878=
52743MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"yiv5687852743MsoNormal">Call it safe=
ty wire or tether wire, I want to make sure not matter what the clutch rod =
is not lost and I have to be towed.</p><p class=3D"yiv5687852743MsoNormal">=
Safety wire is usually stainless steel so it should not rust and it is just=
 there with no tension or flexing, its just along for the ride until its ne=
eded.</p><p class=3D"yiv5687852743MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"yiv5687=
852743MsoNormal">Ron Fraser</p><p class=3D"yiv5687852743MsoNormal"> &nbsp;<=
/p><p class=3D"yiv5687852743MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><div class=3D"yiv56878527=
43yqt3361986894" id=3D"yiv5687852743yqt93097"><div><div style=3D"border:non=
e;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><p class=3D"yi=
v5687852743MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Tigers &lt;[email-masked]=
&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Gary<br clear=3D"none"><b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 28=
, 2021 10:10 AM<br clear=3D"none"><b>To:</b> [email-masked]<br clear=
=3D"none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue</p></div></div><p class=
=3D"yiv5687852743MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"yiv5687852743MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;">I've never heard of safety wire but if you =
have the stock clip to hold the rod to the clutch arm,<br clear=3D"none">an=
d you add a return spring to the clutch arm, there isn't much of a way for =
it to fall out.<br clear=3D"none">And you will get max stroke and save the =
throwout bearing.<br clear=3D"none">Gary<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"non=
e"></p><div><p class=3D"yiv5687852743MsoNormal">On 5/28/2021 5:19 AM, Ron F=
raser wrote:</p></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt;"><p class=3D"yiv5687852743MsoNormal">Jerry</p><p class=3D"yiv56878527=
43MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I always recommend that everyone should put sa=
fety wire on the clutch rod =E2=80=93 just in case the rod gets into a posi=
tion it could fall.</p><p class=3D"yiv5687852743MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p><p cla=
ss=3D"yiv5687852743MsoNormal">If the clutch rod falls out your basically a =
tow it away car.</p><p class=3D"yiv5687852743MsoNormal">I think I have a sa=
fety wire on the clutch rod to the clutch fork; this should prevent the rod=
 from ever totally leaving the car. </p><p class=3D"yiv5687852743MsoNormal"=
>&nbsp;</p><p class=3D"yiv5687852743MsoNormal">Ron Fraser</p><p class=3D"yi=
v5687852743MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:s=
olid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><p class=3D"yiv5687852743Mso=
Normal"><b>From:</b> Tigers <a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=
=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank=
" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]=
am.net&gt;</a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jerry Christopherson<br clear=3D"none"><=
b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 28, 2021 12:03 AM<br clear=3D"none"><b>To:</b> Tige=
r Autox <a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"m=
ailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:TIGERS@AUTOX.=
TEAM.NET">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br clear=3D"none"><b>Subject:</=
b> [Tigers] Clutch issue</p></div></div><p class=3D"yiv5687852743MsoNormal"=
>&nbsp;</p><p class=3D"yiv5687852743MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.=
0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">Thanks for the ideas from all of you.&nbsp; Th=
e issue of a longer push rod (which I have, 4.5 inches) is that you can onl=
y go up against the throw out bearing just so far.&nbsp; Right now I=E2=80=
=99m touching the bearing (which I don=E2=80=99t want of course).&nbsp; Tod=
ay I received my order from S.S. (new kits for the master and slave) and it=
 seems to have improved the issue, I=E2=80=99ll try driving the car tomorro=
w to see if it=E2=80=99s livable. I let someone talk me into a &nbsp;RAM cl=
utch, should have gone with a Centerforce maybe?&nbsp; Rick from S. S. said=
 people have had good luck with them. &nbsp;&nbsp;I=E2=80=99m now of the fe=
eling if you aren=E2=80=99t racing, a standard Mustang clutch is more than =
enough for the Tiger. &nbsp;The idea of a higher volume (larger dia.) maste=
r also suggested by Rick, is that it will make the peddle force higher.&nbs=
p; Another issue is how far can one allow the slave&nbsp; piston to travel =
without coming out of the cylinder (mine does not have the retaining clip l=
ike it shoes in the manual).&nbsp; Mine has a max movement of around 1.350,=
 The piston could come out another .300 ,but that would have the front of t=
he piston .300 past the end of the cylinder, probably not a good thing!</sp=
an></p><p class=3D"yiv5687852743MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;=
font-family:sans-serif;">Thanks again for your responses!&nbsp; Jerry</span=
></p><p class=3D"yiv5687852743MsoNormal"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"no=
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