Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue

From: "Ron Fraser" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 28 May 2021 08:19:20 -0400

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Jerry

                I always recommend that everyone should put safety wire on
the clutch rod - just in case the rod gets into a position it could fall.

If the clutch rod falls out your basically a tow it away car.

I think I have a safety wire on the clutch rod to the clutch fork; this
should prevent the rod from ever totally leaving the car. 

Ron Fraser

From: Tigers <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Jerry
Christopherson
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 12:03 AM
To: Tiger Autox <[email-masked]>
Subject: [Tigers] Clutch issue

Thanks for the ideas from all of you.  The issue of a longer push rod (which
I have, 4.5 inches) is that you can only go up against the throw out bearing
just so far.  Right now I'm touching the bearing (which I don't want of
course).  Today I received my order from S.S. (new kits for the master and
slave) and it seems to have improved the issue, I'll try driving the car
tomorrow to see if it's livable. I let someone talk me into a  RAM clutch,
should have gone with a Centerforce maybe?  Rick from S. S. said people have
had good luck with them.   I'm now of the feeling if you aren't racing, a
standard Mustang clutch is more than enough for the Tiger.  The idea of a
higher volume (larger dia.) master also suggested by Rick, is that it will
make the peddle force higher.  Another issue is how far can one allow the
slave  piston to travel without coming out of the cylinder (mine does not
have the retaining clip like it shoes in the manual).  Mine has a max
movement of around 1.350, The piston could come out another .300 ,but that
would have the front of the piston .300 past the end of the cylinder,
probably not a good thing!

Thanks again for your responses!  Jerry

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class=3DMsoNormal>Jerry<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I always recommend that everyone =
should put safety wire on the clutch rod &#8211; just in case the rod =
gets into a position it could fall.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>If the =
clutch rod falls out your basically a tow it away car.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I think I have a safety wire on the clutch rod to the =
clutch fork; this should prevent the rod from ever totally leaving the =
car. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Ron Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p =
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style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Tigers =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jerry =
Christopherson<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 28, 2021 12:03 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> Tiger Autox =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> [Tigers] Clutch =
issue<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Thanks for the =
ideas from all of you.&nbsp; The issue of a longer push rod (which I =
have, 4.5 inches) is that you can only go up against the throw out =
bearing just so far.&nbsp; Right now I&#8217;m touching the bearing =
(which I don&#8217;t want of course).&nbsp; Today I received my order =
from S.S. (new kits for the master and slave) and it seems to have =
improved the issue, I&#8217;ll try driving the car tomorrow to see if =
it&#8217;s livable. I let someone talk me into a &nbsp;RAM clutch, =
should have gone with a Centerforce maybe?&nbsp; Rick from S. S. said =
people have had good luck with them. &nbsp;&nbsp;I&#8217;m now of the =
feeling if you aren&#8217;t racing, a standard Mustang clutch is more =
than enough for the Tiger. &nbsp;The idea of a higher volume (larger =
dia.) master also suggested by Rick, is that it will make the peddle =
force higher.&nbsp; Another issue is how far can one allow the =
slave&nbsp; piston to travel without coming out of the cylinder (mine =
does not have the retaining clip like it shoes in the manual).&nbsp; =
Mine has a max movement of around 1.350, The piston could come out =
another .300 ,but that would have the front of the piston .300 past the =
end of the cylinder, probably not a good thing!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Thanks again =
for your responses!&nbsp; Jerry<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></body></html>
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I've never heard of safety wire but if you have the stock clip to hold 
the rod to the clutch arm,
and you add a return spring to the clutch arm, there isn't much of a way 
for it to fall out.
And you will get max stroke and save the throwout bearing.
Gary

On 5/28/2021 5:19 AM, Ron Fraser wrote:
>
> Jerry
>
>                 I always recommend that everyone should put safety 
> wire on the clutch rod – just in case the rod gets into a position it 
> could fall.
>
> I think I have a safety wire on the clutch rod to the clutch fork; 
> this should prevent the rod from ever totally leaving the car.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> *From:* Tigers <[email-masked]> *On Behalf Of *Jerry 
> Christopherson
> *Sent:* Friday, May 28, 2021 12:03 AM
> *To:* Tiger Autox <[email-masked]>
> *Subject:* [Tigers] Clutch issue
>
> Thanks for the ideas from all of you.  The issue of a longer push rod 
> (which I have, 4.5 inches) is that you can only go up against the 
> throw out bearing just so far.  Right now I’m touching the bearing 
> (which I don’t want of course).  Today I received my order from S.S. 
> (new kits for the master and slave) and it seems to have improved the 
> issue, I’ll try driving the car tomorrow to see if it’s livable. I let 
> someone talk me into a  RAM clutch, should have gone with a 
> Centerforce maybe?  Rick from S. S. said people have had good luck 
> with them.   I’m now of the feeling if you aren’t racing, a standard 
> Mustang clutch is more than enough for the Tiger.  The idea of a 
> higher volume (larger dia.) master also suggested by Rick, is that it 
> will make the peddle force higher.  Another issue is how far can one 
> allow the slave  piston to travel without coming out of the cylinder 
> (mine does not have the retaining clip like it shoes in the manual).  
> Mine has a max movement of around 1.350, The piston could come out 
> another .300 ,but that would have the front of the piston .300 past 
> the end of the cylinder, probably not a good thing!
>
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    I've never heard of safety wire but if you have the stock clip to
    hold the rod to the clutch arm,<br>
    and you add a return spring to the clutch arm, there isn't much of a
    way for it to fall out.<br>
    And you will get max stroke and save the throwout bearing.<br>
    Gary<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/28/2021 5:19 AM, Ron Fraser wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal">                I always recommend that
          everyone should put safety wire on the clutch rod – just in
          case the rod gets into a position it could fall.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">If the clutch rod falls out your basically
          a tow it away car.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">I think I have a safety wire on the clutch
          rod to the clutch fork; this should prevent the rod from ever
          totally leaving the car. <o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Ron Fraser<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Tigers
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jerry
              Christopherson<br>
              <b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 28, 2021 12:03 AM<br>
              <b>To:</b> Tiger Autox <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
              <b>Subject:</b> [Tigers] Clutch issue<o:p></o:p></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">Thanks
            for the ideas from all of you.  The issue of a longer push
            rod (which I have, 4.5 inches) is that you can only go up
            against the throw out bearing just so far.  Right now I’m
            touching the bearing (which I don’t want of course).  Today
            I received my order from S.S. (new kits for the master and
            slave) and it seems to have improved the issue, I’ll try
            driving the car tomorrow to see if it’s livable. I let
            someone talk me into a  RAM clutch, should have gone with a
            Centerforce maybe?  Rick from S. S. said people have had
            good luck with them.   I’m now of the feeling if you aren’t
            racing, a standard Mustang clutch is more than enough for
            the Tiger.  The idea of a higher volume (larger dia.) master
            also suggested by Rick, is that it will make the peddle
            force higher.  Another issue is how far can one allow the
            slave  piston to travel without coming out of the cylinder
            (mine does not have the retaining clip like it shoes in the
            manual).  Mine has a max movement of around 1.350, The
            piston could come out another .300 ,but that would have the
            front of the piston .300 past the end of the cylinder,
            probably not a good thing!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">Thanks
            again for your responses!  Jerry<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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On the longer pushrod, =E2=80=9Cyou can only go so far.=E2=80=9D  You =
can actually go too far on VW and early Porsche clutches.  I don=E2=80=99t=
 know if that is true for Sunbeam clutches.  They call it =E2=80=9Cgoing =
over center.=E2=80=9D  The finger springs/levers that the throwout =
bearing pushes on go from peaked to flat.  When they are flat, the =
clutch is pulled back and the clutch plate can spin.  But if you keep =
pushing, the fingers/levers actually go concave, and that causes the =
clutch to start pushing back in. =20

So if your push rod is too long, and it is causing the fork to already =
move the throwout bearing forward up to the clutch, AND there is an over =
center concept on the Tiger clutch too, then perhaps that is your issue.

On May 28, 2021, at 5:19 AM, Ron Fraser <[email-masked]> wrote:

Jerry
                I always recommend that everyone should put safety wire =
on the clutch rod =E2=80=93 just in case the rod gets into a position it =
could fall.
=20
If the clutch rod falls out your basically a tow it away car.
I think I have a safety wire on the clutch rod to the clutch fork; this =
should prevent the rod from ever totally leaving the car.=20
=20
Ron Fraser
=20
From: Tigers <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Jerry =
Christopherson
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 12:03 AM
To: Tiger Autox <[email-masked]>
Subject: [Tigers] Clutch issue
=20
Thanks for the ideas from all of you.  The issue of a longer push rod =
(which I have, 4.5 inches) is that you can only go up against the throw =
out bearing just so far.  Right now I=E2=80=99m touching the bearing =
(which I don=E2=80=99t want of course).  Today I received my order from =
S.S. (new kits for the master and slave) and it seems to have improved =
the issue, I=E2=80=99ll try driving the car tomorrow to see if it=E2=80=99=
s livable. I let someone talk me into a  RAM clutch, should have gone =
with a Centerforce maybe?  Rick from S. S. said people have had good =
luck with them.   I=E2=80=99m now of the feeling if you aren=E2=80=99t =
racing, a standard Mustang clutch is more than enough for the Tiger.  =
The idea of a higher volume (larger dia.) master also suggested by Rick, =
is that it will make the peddle force higher.  Another issue is how far =
can one allow the slave  piston to travel without coming out of the =
cylinder (mine does not have the retaining clip like it shoes in the =
manual).  Mine has a max movement of around 1.350, The piston could come =
out another .300 ,but that would have the front of the piston .300 past =
the end of the cylinder, probably not a good thing!
Thanks again for your responses!  Jerry
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charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">On =
the longer pushrod, =E2=80=9Cyou can only go so far.=E2=80=9D &nbsp;You =
can actually go too far on VW and early Porsche clutches. &nbsp;I =
don=E2=80=99t know if that is true for Sunbeam clutches. &nbsp;They call =
it =E2=80=9Cgoing over center.=E2=80=9D &nbsp;The finger springs/levers =
that the throwout bearing pushes on go from peaked to flat. &nbsp;When =
they are flat, the clutch is pulled back and the clutch plate can spin. =
&nbsp;But if you keep pushing, the fingers/levers actually go concave, =
and that causes the clutch to start pushing back in. &nbsp;<div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">So if your push rod is =
too long, and it is causing the fork to already move the throwout =
bearing forward up to the clutch, AND there is an over center concept on =
the Tiger clutch too, then perhaps that is your issue.<br class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div><br =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">On May 28, 2021, at 5:19 AM, Ron Fraser =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta =
charset=3D"UTF-8" class=3D""><div class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: =
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none;"><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Jerry<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I always recommend that everyone should put =
safety wire on the clutch rod =E2=80=93 just in case the rod gets into a =
position it could fall.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">If the clutch rod falls out your basically a tow it away =
car.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">I think I =
have a safety wire on the clutch rod to the clutch fork; this should =
prevent the rod from ever totally leaving the car.<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Ron =
Fraser<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div class=3D""><div =
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class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><b class=3D"">From:</b><span=
 class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Tigers &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><b class=3D"">On Behalf =
Of<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>Jerry =
Christopherson<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Friday, May 28, 2021 12:03 =
AM<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Tiger Autox &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>[Tigers] Clutch issue<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
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class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">Thanks for the ideas from all of you.&nbsp; The =
issue of a longer push rod (which I have, 4.5 inches) is that you can =
only go up against the throw out bearing just so far.&nbsp; Right now =
I=E2=80=99m touching the bearing (which I don=E2=80=99t want of =
course).&nbsp; Today I received my order from S.S. (new kits for the =
master and slave) and it seems to have improved the issue, I=E2=80=99ll =
try driving the car tomorrow to see if it=E2=80=99s livable. I let =
someone talk me into a &nbsp;RAM clutch, should have gone with a =
Centerforce maybe?&nbsp; Rick from S. S. said people have had good luck =
with them. &nbsp;&nbsp;I=E2=80=99m now of the feeling if you aren=E2=80=99=
t racing, a standard Mustang clutch is more than enough for the Tiger. =
&nbsp;The idea of a higher volume (larger dia.) master also suggested by =
Rick, is that it will make the peddle force higher.&nbsp; Another issue =
is how far can one allow the slave&nbsp; piston to travel without coming =
out of the cylinder (mine does not have the retaining clip like it shoes =
in the manual).&nbsp; Mine has a max movement of around 1.350, The =
piston could come out another .300 ,but that would have the front of the =
piston .300 past the end of the cylinder, probably not a good thing!<o:p =
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From: Ron Fraser via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 28 May 2021 11:49:37 -0400

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Gary

                My point here is that if you drop the clutch rod you're not
going anywhere.

Your spring with the stock clip is excellent but what if something
unexpected happens.

Rust happens, road debris happens, cylinder rubber seals degrade happens,
many things can happen out on the road.

Call it safety wire or tether wire, I want to make sure not matter what the
clutch rod is not lost and I have to be towed.

Safety wire is usually stainless steel so it should not rust and it is just
there with no tension or flexing, its just along for the ride until its
needed.

Ron Fraser

From: Tigers <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Gary
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 10:10 AM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue

I've never heard of safety wire but if you have the stock clip to hold the
rod to the clutch arm,
and you add a return spring to the clutch arm, there isn't much of a way for
it to fall out.
And you will get max stroke and save the throwout bearing.
Gary

Jerry

Ron Fraser

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Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 12:03 AM
Subject: [Tigers] Clutch issue

 
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class=3DMsoNormal>Gary<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; My point here is that if you drop =
the clutch rod you&#8217;re not going anywhere.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Your spring =
with the stock clip is excellent but what if something unexpected =
happens.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Rust happens, road debris =
happens, cylinder rubber seals degrade happens, many things can happen =
out on the road.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Call it =
safety wire or tether wire, I want to make sure not matter what the =
clutch rod is not lost and I have to be towed.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Safety wire is usually stainless steel so it should =
not rust and it is just there with no tension or flexing, its just along =
for the ride until its needed.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Ron =
Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Tigers =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Gary<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 28, 2021 10:10 AM<br><b>To:</b> =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Clutch =
issue<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I've never heard of safety wire but if =
you have the stock clip to hold the rod to the clutch arm,<br>and you =
add a return spring to the clutch arm, there isn't much of a way for it =
to fall out.<br>And you will get max stroke and save the throwout =
bearing.<br>Gary<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
5/28/2021 5:19 AM, Ron Fraser wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Jerry<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I always recommend that everyone =
should put safety wire on the clutch rod &#8211; just in case the rod =
gets into a position it could fall.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>If the =
clutch rod falls out your basically a tow it away car.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I think I have a safety wire on the clutch rod to the =
clutch fork; this should prevent the rod from ever totally leaving the =
car. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Ron Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Tigers <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]=
am.net&gt;</a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jerry Christopherson<br><b>Sent:</b> =
Friday, May 28, 2021 12:03 AM<br><b>To:</b> Tiger Autox <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><b=
r><b>Subject:</b> [Tigers] Clutch issue<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Thanks for the =
ideas from all of you.&nbsp; The issue of a longer push rod (which I =
have, 4.5 inches) is that you can only go up against the throw out =
bearing just so far.&nbsp; Right now I&#8217;m touching the bearing =
(which I don&#8217;t want of course).&nbsp; Today I received my order =
from S.S. (new kits for the master and slave) and it seems to have =
improved the issue, I&#8217;ll try driving the car tomorrow to see if =
it&#8217;s livable. I let someone talk me into a &nbsp;RAM clutch, =
should have gone with a Centerforce maybe?&nbsp; Rick from S. S. said =
people have had good luck with them. &nbsp;&nbsp;I&#8217;m now of the =
feeling if you aren&#8217;t racing, a standard Mustang clutch is more =
than enough for the Tiger. &nbsp;The idea of a higher volume (larger =
dia.) master also suggested by Rick, is that it will make the peddle =
force higher.&nbsp; Another issue is how far can one allow the =
slave&nbsp; piston to travel without coming out of the cylinder (mine =
does not have the retaining clip like it shoes in the manual).&nbsp; =
Mine has a max movement of around 1.350, The piston could come out =
another .300 ,but that would have the front of the piston .300 past the =
end of the cylinder, probably not a good thing!</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Thanks again =
for your responses!&nbsp; Jerry</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
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This whole discussion is part of the reason why I went to an annular throwo=
ut bearing on my car a number of years ago. The other reason was I just did=
n't like the affect all the external slave/arm geometry creates. I've been =
very happy with the change.=C2=A0

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Fraser via Tigers <[email-masked]>
To: 'Gary' <[email-masked]>; [email-masked]
Sent: Fri, May 28, 2021 8:50 am
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue

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Gary

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
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=99re not going anywhere.

 =C2=A0

Your spring with the stock clip is excellent but what if something unexpect=
ed happens.

Rust happens, road debris happens, cylinder rubber seals degrade happens, m=
any things can happen out on the road.

 =C2=A0

Call it safety wire or tether wire, I want to make sure not matter what the=
 clutch rod is not lost and I have to be towed.

Safety wire is usually stainless steel so it should not rust and it is just=
 there with no tension or flexing, its just along for the ride until its ne=
eded.

 =C2=A0

Ron Fraser

 =C2=A0

 =C2=A0

 =C2=A0

I've never heard of safety wire but if you have the stock clip to hold the =
rod to the clutch arm,
and you add a return spring to the clutch arm, there isn't much of a way fo=
r it to fall out.
And you will get max stroke and save the throwout bearing.
Gary

Jerry

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I always recommend that everyone should put safety wire on =
the clutch rod =E2=80=93 just in case the rod gets into a position it could=
 fall.

=C2=A0

I think I have a safety wire on the clutch rod to the clutch fork; this sho=
uld prevent the rod from ever totally leaving the car.=20

=C2=A0

Ron Fraser

=C2=A0

From: Tigers <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Jerry Christopher=
son
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 12:03 AM
To: Tiger Autox <[email-masked]>
Subject: [Tigers] Clutch issue

=C2=A0

Thanks for the ideas from all of you.=C2=A0 The issue of a longer push rod =
(which I have, 4.5 inches) is that you can only go up against the throw out=
 bearing just so far.=C2=A0 Right now I=E2=80=99m touching the bearing (whi=
ch I don=E2=80=99t want of course).=C2=A0 Today I received my order from S.=
S. (new kits for the master and slave) and it seems to have improved the is=
sue, I=E2=80=99ll try driving the car tomorrow to see if it=E2=80=99s livab=
le. I let someone talk me into a =C2=A0RAM clutch, should have gone with a =
Centerforce maybe?=C2=A0 Rick from S. S. said people have had good luck wit=
h them. =C2=A0=C2=A0I=E2=80=99m now of the feeling if you aren=E2=80=99t ra=
cing, a standard Mustang clutch is more than enough for the Tiger. =C2=A0Th=
e idea of a higher volume (larger dia.) master also suggested by Rick, is t=
hat it will make the peddle force higher.=C2=A0 Another issue is how far ca=
n one allow the slave=C2=A0 piston to travel without coming out of the cyli=
nder (mine does not have the retaining clip like it shoes in the manual).=
=C2=A0 Mine has a max movement of around 1.350, The piston could come out a=
nother .300 ,but that would have the front of the piston .300 past the end =
of the cylinder, probably not a good thing!

Thanks again for your responses!=C2=A0 Jerry

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color:black;">This whole discussion is part of the reason why I went to an =
annular throwout bearing on my car a number of years ago. The other reason =
was I just didn't like the affect all the external slave/arm geometry creat=
es. I've been very happy with the change.&nbsp;<br><br><br>-----Original Me=
ssage-----<br>From: Ron Fraser via Tigers &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>=
To: 'Gary' &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; [email-masked]<br>Sent: =
Fri, May 28, 2021 8:50 am<br>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue<br><br></di=
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#yiv4255645540 </style><div><div class=3D"yiv4255645540WordSection1"><p cla=
ss=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNormal">Gary</p><p class=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNormal">&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp; My point here is that if you drop the clutch rod you=E2=80=
=99re not going anywhere.</p><p class=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p=
><p class=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNormal">Your spring with the stock clip is exc=
ellent but what if something unexpected happens.</p><p class=3D"yiv42556455=
40MsoNormal">Rust happens, road debris happens, cylinder rubber seals degra=
de happens, many things can happen out on the road.</p><p class=3D"yiv42556=
45540MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNormal">Call it safe=
ty wire or tether wire, I want to make sure not matter what the clutch rod =
is not lost and I have to be towed.</p><p class=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNormal">=
Safety wire is usually stainless steel so it should not rust and it is just=
 there with no tension or flexing, its just along for the ride until its ne=
eded.</p><p class=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"yiv4255=
645540MsoNormal">Ron Fraser</p><p class=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNormal"> &nbsp;<=
/p><p class=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><div class=3D"yiv42556455=
40yqt3361986894" id=3D"yiv4255645540yqt93097"><div><div style=3D"border:non=
e;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><p class=3D"yi=
v4255645540MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Tigers &lt;[email-masked]=
&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Gary<br clear=3D"none"><b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 28=
, 2021 10:10 AM<br clear=3D"none"><b>To:</b> [email-masked]<br clear=
=3D"none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue</p></div></div><p class=
=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;">I've never heard of safety wire but if you =
have the stock clip to hold the rod to the clutch arm,<br clear=3D"none">an=
d you add a return spring to the clutch arm, there isn't much of a way for =
it to fall out.<br clear=3D"none">And you will get max stroke and save the =
throwout bearing.<br clear=3D"none">Gary<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"non=
e"></p><div><p class=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNormal">On 5/28/2021 5:19 AM, Ron F=
raser wrote:</p></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt;"><p class=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNormal">Jerry</p><p class=3D"yiv42556455=
40MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I always recommend that everyone should put sa=
fety wire on the clutch rod =E2=80=93 just in case the rod gets into a posi=
tion it could fall.</p><p class=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p><p cla=
ss=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNormal">If the clutch rod falls out your basically a =
tow it away car.</p><p class=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNormal">I think I have a sa=
fety wire on the clutch rod to the clutch fork; this should prevent the rod=
 from ever totally leaving the car. </p><p class=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNormal"=
>&nbsp;</p><p class=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNormal">Ron Fraser</p><p class=3D"yi=
v4255645540MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:s=
olid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><p class=3D"yiv4255645540Mso=
Normal"><b>From:</b> Tigers <a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=
=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank=
" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]=
am.net&gt;</a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jerry Christopherson<br clear=3D"none"><=
b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 28, 2021 12:03 AM<br clear=3D"none"><b>To:</b> Tige=
r Autox <a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"m=
ailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:TIGERS@AUTOX.=
TEAM.NET">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br clear=3D"none"><b>Subject:</=
b> [Tigers] Clutch issue</p></div></div><p class=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNormal"=
>&nbsp;</p><p class=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.=
0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">Thanks for the ideas from all of you.&nbsp; Th=
e issue of a longer push rod (which I have, 4.5 inches) is that you can onl=
y go up against the throw out bearing just so far.&nbsp; Right now I=E2=80=
=99m touching the bearing (which I don=E2=80=99t want of course).&nbsp; Tod=
ay I received my order from S.S. (new kits for the master and slave) and it=
 seems to have improved the issue, I=E2=80=99ll try driving the car tomorro=
w to see if it=E2=80=99s livable. I let someone talk me into a &nbsp;RAM cl=
utch, should have gone with a Centerforce maybe?&nbsp; Rick from S. S. said=
 people have had good luck with them. &nbsp;&nbsp;I=E2=80=99m now of the fe=
eling if you aren=E2=80=99t racing, a standard Mustang clutch is more than =
enough for the Tiger. &nbsp;The idea of a higher volume (larger dia.) maste=
r also suggested by Rick, is that it will make the peddle force higher.&nbs=
p; Another issue is how far can one allow the slave&nbsp; piston to travel =
without coming out of the cylinder (mine does not have the retaining clip l=
ike it shoes in the manual).&nbsp; Mine has a max movement of around 1.350,=
 The piston could come out another .300 ,but that would have the front of t=
he piston .300 past the end of the cylinder, probably not a good thing!</sp=
an></p><p class=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;=
font-family:sans-serif;">Thanks again for your responses!&nbsp; Jerry</span=
></p><p class=3D"yiv4255645540MsoNormal"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"no=
ne"></p><pre>_______________________________________________</pre><pre> &nb=
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Re: the Centerforce Clutch:

I have had two of them and highly approve of and recommend them.
They come rated for the amount of power your engine produces.
My first one was installed on my stock 289 Block, but later on I got
carried away and had it rebuilt into a 331 cu in 318hp unit.
It now exceeded the rating of my first Centerforce unit, so I replaced it
with one rated for 400hp.
Both worked flawlessly,  and the pedal pressure is light enough to be
comfortable for my 130# wife to use without complaint.

Excellent units!

Dave in Nova Scotia
B382000450LRXFE  1965 Tiger

On Fri, May 28, 2021, 12:50 PM Ron Fraser via Tigers, <[email-masked]=
t>
wrote:

> Gary
>
>                 My point here is that if you drop the clutch rod you=E2=
=80=99re
> not going anywhere.
> Call it safety wire or tether wire, I want to make sure not matter what
> the clutch rod is not lost and I have to be towed.
>
> Safety wire is usually stainless steel so it should not rust and it is
> just there with no tension or flexing, its just along for the ride until
> its needed.
>
>
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Tigers <[email-masked]> *On Behalf Of *Gary
> *Sent:* Friday, May 28, 2021 10:10 AM
> *To:* [email-masked]
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue
>
>
>
> I've never heard of safety wire but if you have the stock clip to hold th=
e
>                 I always recommend that everyone should put safety wire o=
n
> the clutch rod =E2=80=93 just in case the rod gets into a position it cou=
ld fall.
> *From:* Tigers <[email-masked]>
> <[email-masked]> *On Behalf Of *Jerry Christopherson
> *To:* Tiger Autox <[email-masked]> <[email-masked]>
> (which I have, 4.5 inches) is that you can only go up against the throw o=
ut
> bearing just so far.  Right now I=E2=80=99m touching the bearing (which I=
 don=E2=80=99t
> want of course).  Today I received my order from S.S. (new kits for the
> master and slave) and it seems to have improved the issue, I=E2=80=99ll t=
ry driving
> the car tomorrow to see if it=E2=80=99s livable. I let someone talk me in=
to a  RAM
> clutch, should have gone with a Centerforce maybe?  Rick from S. S. said
> people have had good luck with them.   I=E2=80=99m now of the feeling if =
you aren=E2=80=99t
> racing, a standard Mustang clutch is more than enough for the Tiger.  The
> idea of a higher volume (larger dia.) master also suggested by Rick, is
> that it will make the peddle force higher.  Another issue is how far can
> one allow the slave  piston to travel without coming out of the cylinder
> (mine does not have the retaining clip like it shoes in the manual).  Min=
e
> has a max movement of around 1.350, The piston could come out another .30=
0
> ,but that would have the front of the piston .300 past the end of the
> cylinder, probably not a good thing!
>
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<div dir=3D"auto">Re: the Centerforce Clutch:=C2=A0<div dir=3D"auto"><br></=
div><div dir=3D"auto">I have had two of them and highly approve of and reco=
mmend them.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto">They come rated for the amount of =
power your engine produces.=C2=A0<div dir=3D"auto">My first one was install=
ed on my stock 289 Block, but later on I got carried away and had it rebuil=
t into a 331 cu in 318hp unit.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto">It now exceeded=
 the rating of my first Centerforce unit, so I replaced it with one rated f=
or 400hp.</div><div dir=3D"auto">Both worked flawlessly,=C2=A0 and the peda=
l pressure is light enough to be comfortable for my 130# wife to use withou=
t complaint.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Excellent u=
nits!</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Dave in Nova Scoti=
a</div><div dir=3D"auto">B382000450LRXFE=C2=A0 1965 Tiger</div><div dir=3D"=
auto"><br></div></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr"=
 class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, May 28, 2021, 12:50 PM Ron Fraser via Tigers,=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
 wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8=
ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D=
"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div class=3D"m_2662069569788297852WordSection1"><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal">Gary<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 My point here is that if you drop the clutch rod you=E2=80=99re not =
going anywhere.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u=
></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Your spring with the stock clip is excellent bu=
t what if something unexpected happens.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal">Rust happens, road debris happens, cylinder rubber seals degrade happe=
ns, many things can happen out on the road.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Call it safety wire=
 or tether wire, I want to make sure not matter what the clutch rod is not =
lost and I have to be towed.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Safety=
 wire is usually stainless steel so it should not rust and it is just there=
 with no tension or flexing, its just along for the ride until its needed.<=
u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal">Ron Fraser<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div styl=
e=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tigers-bou=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">tigers-bounces@au=
tox.team.net</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Gary<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 2=
8, 2021 10:10 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" tar=
get=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a><br><b>Subject:<=
/b> Re: [Tigers] Clutch issue<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-botto=
m:12.0pt">I&#39;ve never heard of safety wire but if you have the stock cli=
p to hold the rod to the clutch arm,<br>and you add a return spring to the =
clutch arm, there isn&#39;t much of a way for it to fall out.<br>And you wi=
ll get max stroke and save the throwout bearing.<br>Gary<br><br><u></u><u><=
/u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 5/28/2021 5:19 AM, Ron Fraser wrote:<=
u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:=
5.0pt"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jerry<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I always recommend that everyone should put safety wire =
on the clutch rod =E2=80=93 just in case the rod gets into a position it co=
uld fall.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal">If the clutch rod falls out your basically a tow it a=
way car.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I think I have a safety wi=
re on the clutch rod to the clutch fork; this should prevent the rod from e=
ver totally leaving the car. <u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=
=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ron Fraser<u></u><u></u></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><div><div style=3D"border:none;=
border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><b>From:</b> Tigers <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<=
/a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jerry Christopherson<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 28=
, 2021 12:03 AM<br><b>To:</b> Tiger Autox <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
AM.NET" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<=
/a><br><b>Subject:</b> [Tigers] Clutch issue<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">Thanks =
for the ideas from all of you.=C2=A0 The issue of a longer push rod (which =
I have, 4.5 inches) is that you can only go up against the throw out bearin=
g just so far.=C2=A0 Right now I=E2=80=99m touching the bearing (which I do=
n=E2=80=99t want of course).=C2=A0 Today I received my order from S.S. (new=
 kits for the master and slave) and it seems to have improved the issue, I=
=E2=80=99ll try driving the car tomorrow to see if it=E2=80=99s livable. I =
let someone talk me into a =C2=A0RAM clutch, should have gone with a Center=
force maybe?=C2=A0 Rick from S. S. said people have had good luck with them=
. =C2=A0=C2=A0I=E2=80=99m now of the feeling if you aren=E2=80=99t racing, =
a standard Mustang clutch is more than enough for the Tiger.=C2=A0 The idea=
 of a higher volume (larger dia.) master also suggested by Rick, is that it=
 will make the peddle force higher.=C2=A0 Another issue is how far can one =
allow the slave=C2=A0 piston to travel without coming out of the cylinder (=
mine does not have the retaining clip like it shoes in the manual).=C2=A0 M=
ine has a max movement of around 1.350, The piston could come out another .=
300 ,but that would have the front of the piston .300 past the end of the c=
ylinder, probably not a good thing!</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-=
serif">Thanks again for your responses!=C2=A0 Jerry</span><u></u><u></u></p=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br><br><u></u><u></u></p><pre>____________________=
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From: Gary via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 28 May 2021 12:55:02 -0700

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Ron,
Yeah, a little extra protection can=E2=80=99t hurt.
I don=E2=80=99t really see the need but then I never=20
expected my whole clutch arm to fall out
either but that DID happen.
Gary

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 28, 2021, at 8:49 AM, Ron Fraser <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> Gary
>                 My point here is that if you drop the clutch rod you=E2=80=
> =20
> Your spring with the stock clip is excellent but what if something unexpec=
ted happens.
> =20
> Call it safety wire or tether wire, I want to make sure not matter what th=
e clutch rod is not lost and I have to be towed.
> Safety wire is usually stainless steel so it should not rust and it is jus=
t there with no tension or flexing, its just along for the ride until its ne=
eded.
> I've never heard of safety wire but if you have the stock clip to hold the=
 rod to the clutch arm,
> and you add a return spring to the clutch arm, there isn't much of a way f=
or it to fall out.
>                 I always recommend that everyone should put safety wire on=
> I think I have a safety wire on the clutch rod to the clutch fork; this sh=
ould prevent the rod from ever totally leaving the car.
> =20
> Ron Fraser
> =20
> From: Tigers <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Jerry Christophe=
rson
> Thanks for the ideas from all of you.  The issue of a longer push rod (whi=
ch I have, 4.5 inches) is that you can only go up against the throw out bear=
ing just so far.  Right now I=E2=80=99m touching the bearing (which I don=E2=
=80=99t want of course).  Today I received my order from S.S. (new kits for t=
he master and slave) and it seems to have improved the issue, I=E2=80=99ll t=
ry driving the car tomorrow to see if it=E2=80=99s livable. I let someone ta=
lk me into a  RAM clutch, should have gone with a Centerforce maybe?  Rick f=
rom S. S. said people have had good luck with them.   I=E2=80=99m now of the=
 feeling if you aren=E2=80=99t racing, a standard Mustang clutch is more tha=
n enough for the Tiger.  The idea of a higher volume (larger dia.) master al=
so suggested by Rick, is that it will make the peddle force higher.  Another=
 issue is how far can one allow the slave  piston to travel without coming o=
ut of the cylinder (mine does not have the retaining clip like it shoes in t=
he manual).  Mine has a max movement of around 1.350, The piston could come o=
ut another .300 ,but that would have the front of the piston .300 past the e=
nd of the cylinder, probably not a good thing!
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Ron,<div>Yeah, a little extra protection ca=
n=E2=80=99t hurt.</div><div>I don=E2=80=99t really see the need but then I n=
ever&nbsp;</div><div>expected my whole clutch arm to fall out</div><div>eith=
er but that DID happen.</div><div>Gary</div><div><br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Se=
nt from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On May=
 28, 2021, at 8:49 AM, Ron Fraser &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br=
></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<met=
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--><div class=3D"WordSection1"><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal">Gary<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; My point h=
ere is that if you drop the clutch rod you=E2=80=99re not going anywhere.<o:=
p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l">Your spring with the stock clip is excellent but what if something unexpe=
cted happens.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Rust happens, road debris=
 happens, cylinder rubber seals degrade happens, many things can happen out o=
n the road.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal">Call it safety wire or tether wire, I want to make sure not=
 matter what the clutch rod is not lost and I have to be towed.<o:p></o:p></=
p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Safety wire is usually stainless steel so it should=
 not rust and it is just there with no tension or flexing, its just along fo=
r the ride until its needed.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp=
;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ron Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div>=
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0=
in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Tigers &lt;tigers-bounces@autox.=
team.net&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Gary<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 28, 2021 1=
0:10 AM<br><b>To:</b> [email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] C=
lutch issue<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">I've never heard=
 of safety wire but if you have the stock clip to hold the rod to the clutch=
 arm,<br>and you add a return spring to the clutch arm, there isn't much of a=
 way for it to fall out.<br>And you will get max stroke and save the throwou=
t bearing.<br>Gary<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 5/28=
/2021 5:19 AM, Ron Fraser wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style=3D"ma=
rgin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jerry<o:p></o:p><=
/p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I always recommend that everyone sh=
ould put safety wire on the clutch rod =E2=80=93 just in case the rod gets i=
nto a position it could fall.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:=
p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">If the clutch rod falls out your basicall=
y a tow it away car.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I think I have a s=
afety wire on the clutch rod to the clutch fork; this should prevent the rod=
 from ever totally leaving the car. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&n=
bsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ron Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:s=
olid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:=
</b> Tigers <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;tigers-boun=
[email-masked]&gt;</a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jerry Christopherson<br><b>Se=
nt:</b> Friday, May 28, 2021 12:03 AM<br><b>To:</b> Tiger Autox <a href=3D"m=
ailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br><b>Subject=
:</b> [Tigers] Clutch issue<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt=
;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">Thanks for the ideas from all of y=
ou.&nbsp; The issue of a longer push rod (which I have, 4.5 inches) is that y=
ou can only go up against the throw out bearing just so far.&nbsp; Right now=
 I=E2=80=99m touching the bearing (which I don=E2=80=99t want of course).&nb=
sp; Today I received my order from S.S. (new kits for the master and slave) a=
nd it seems to have improved the issue, I=E2=80=99ll try driving the car tom=
orrow to see if it=E2=80=99s livable. I let someone talk me into a &nbsp;RAM=
 clutch, should have gone with a Centerforce maybe?&nbsp; Rick from S. S. sa=
id people have had good luck with them. &nbsp;&nbsp;I=E2=80=99m now of the f=
eeling if you aren=E2=80=99t racing, a standard Mustang clutch is more than e=
nough for the Tiger. &nbsp;The idea of a higher volume (larger dia.) master a=
lso suggested by Rick, is that it will make the peddle force higher.&nbsp; A=
nother issue is how far can one allow the slave&nbsp; piston to travel witho=
ut coming out of the cylinder (mine does not have the retaining clip like it=
 shoes in the manual).&nbsp; Mine has a max movement of around 1.350, The pi=
ston could come out another .300 ,but that would have the front of the pisto=
n .300 past the end of the cylinder, probably not a good thing!</span><o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">Thanks again for your responses!&nbsp; Jerry</=
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