Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch mystery

From: coolvt--- via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 16:19:53 +0000 (UTC)

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If there's no fluid visibly leaking anywhere, it's probably either the mast=
er or the slave. While you have it apart (and if they are both old) you mig=
ht want to consider rebuilding kits for both.=C2=A0 Mark L

In a message dated 9/12/2020 11:09:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, sabre2tgr@g=
mail.com writes:=C2=A0Perfect timing, of course.=C2=A0 I've driven it every=
 couple weeks all summer, no problems.=C2=A0 But I was getting it ready to =
go to a show tomorrow, the first one of the year.=C2=A0 I pushed=C2=A0it ou=
t of the garage, checked all=C2=A0the fluids, the tire pressures, washed th=
e windshield...=C2=A0And then I went to start it.=C2=A0 The clutch pedal we=
nt straight to the floor, little resistance.=C2=A0 That's new.=C2=A0 =C2=A0=
I pumped it a few times and it started to feel more like normal. No leaks o=
n the ground, no fluid missing when I rechecked the reservoir.=C2=A0 I have=
 the stock master and slave with silicon fluid.=C2=A0 I'm thinking its mast=
er rebuild time.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Any other thoughts out there?=C2=A0So muc=
h for mini British car day at Larz Anderson.=C2=A0 No way I'm committing to=
 a 45 minute drive into Brookline with a questionable clutch.=C2=A0 And the=
re's no way to turn up a master rebuild kit this afternoon.=C2=A0Stu_______=
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<div><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000;">If there's no fluid visibly leaking anywhere, it's probably either the master or the slave. While you have it apart (and if they are both old) you might want to consider rebuilding kits for both.&nbsp; Mark L<br><br></span></div>
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In a message dated 9/12/2020 11:09:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email-masked] writes:
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<div class="yiv9889911743gmail_default" style="font-size: small;">Perfect timing, of course.&nbsp; I've driven it every couple weeks all summer, no problems.&nbsp; But I was getting it ready to go to a show tomorrow, the first one of the year.&nbsp; I pushed&nbsp;it out of the garage, checked all&nbsp;the fluids, the tire pressures, washed the windshield...</div>
<div class="yiv9889911743gmail_default" style="font-size: small;">&nbsp;</div>
<div class="yiv9889911743gmail_default" style="font-size: small;">And then I went to start it.&nbsp; The clutch pedal went straight to the floor, little resistance.&nbsp; That's new.&nbsp; &nbsp;I pumped it a few times and it started to feel more like normal. No leaks on the ground, no fluid missing when I rechecked the reservoir.&nbsp; I have the stock master and slave with silicon fluid.&nbsp; I'm thinking its master rebuild time.&nbsp;</div>
<div class="yiv9889911743gmail_default" style="font-size: small;">&nbsp;</div>
<div class="yiv9889911743gmail_default" style="font-size: small;">&nbsp;Any other thoughts out there?</div>
<div class="yiv9889911743gmail_default" style="font-size: small;">&nbsp;</div>
<div class="yiv9889911743gmail_default" style="font-size: small;">So much for mini British car day at Larz Anderson.&nbsp; No way I'm committing to a 45 minute drive into Brookline with a questionable clutch.&nbsp; And there's no way to turn up a master rebuild kit this afternoon.</div>
<div class="yiv9889911743gmail_default" style="font-size: small;">&nbsp;</div>
<div class="yiv9889911743gmail_default" style="font-size: small;">Stu</div>
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From: Mark Rense via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 13:10:24 -0400

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When the master leaks, that DOT4 will run down the firewall behind the
carpet and insulation. The paint does not appreciate brake/clutch fluid
much. If the slave leaks it=E2=80=99s dripping on the ground. Been there, g=
ot the
tee shirt.

On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 11:09 AM Stu <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Perfect timing, of course.  I've driven it every couple weeks all summer,
> no problems.  But I was getting it ready to go to a show tomorrow, the
> first one of the year.  I pushed it out of the garage, checked all the
> fluids, the tire pressures, washed the windshield...
>
> And then I went to start it.  The clutch pedal went straight to the floor=
,
> little resistance.  That's new.   I pumped it a few times and it started =
to
> feel more like normal. No leaks on the ground, no fluid missing when I
> rechecked the reservoir.  I have the stock master and slave with silicon
> fluid.  I'm thinking its master rebuild time.
>
>  Any other thoughts out there?
>
> So much for mini British car day at Larz Anderson.  No way I'm committing
> to a 45 minute drive into Brookline with a questionable clutch.  And
> there's no way to turn up a master rebuild kit this afternoon.
>
> Stu
>
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<div dir=3D"auto">When the master leaks, that DOT4 will run down the firewa=
ll behind the carpet and insulation. The paint does not appreciate brake/cl=
utch fluid much. If the slave leaks it=E2=80=99s dripping on the ground. Be=
en there, got the tee shirt.=C2=A0</div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"=
><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 11:09 AM Stu=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wro=
te:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;b=
order-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"=
gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Perfect timing, of course.=C2=A0 I=
&#39;ve driven it every couple weeks all summer, no problems.=C2=A0 But I w=
as getting it ready to go to a show tomorrow, the first one of the year.=C2=
=A0 I pushed=C2=A0it out of the garage, checked all=C2=A0the fluids, the ti=
re pressures, washed the windshield...</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" st=
yle=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fon=
t-size:small">And then I went to start it.=C2=A0 The clutch pedal went stra=
ight to the floor, little resistance.=C2=A0 That&#39;s new.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I p=
umped it a few times and it started to feel more like normal. No leaks on t=
he ground, no fluid missing when I rechecked the reservoir.=C2=A0 I have th=
e stock master and slave with silicon fluid.=C2=A0 I&#39;m thinking its mas=
ter rebuild time.=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-siz=
e:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">=
=C2=A0Any other thoughts out there?</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-s=
ize:small">So much for mini British car day at Larz Anderson.=C2=A0 No way =
I&#39;m committing to a 45 minute drive into Brookline with a questionable =
clutch.=C2=A0 And there&#39;s no way to turn up a master rebuild kit this a=
fternoon.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br><=
/div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Stu</div></div>=
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From: Stu via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 20:28:48 -0400

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Thanks, guys.  My suspicions are confirmed.  I sent Rick an order for both
rebuild kits.

Stu

On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 2:49 PM <[email-masked]> wrote:

> But both can leak (by pass ) internally and no fluid will show up.  Ask m=
e
> how I know that on the Tiger and on a Ford truck.
>
> In a message dated 9/12/2020 1:11:31 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> [email-masked] writes:
>
> much. If the slave leaks it=E2=80=99s dripping on the ground. Been there,=
 got the
,
to
> there's no way to turn up a master rebuild kit this afternoon.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Tha=
nks, guys.=C2=A0 My suspicions are confirmed.=C2=A0 I sent=C2=A0Rick an ord=
er for both rebuild=C2=A0kits.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default=
" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D=
"font-size:small">Stu</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D=
"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 2:49 PM &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid=
 rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:r=
gb(0,0,0)">
<div><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;c=
olor:rgb(0,0,0)">But both can leak (by pass ) internally and no fluid will =
show up.=C2=A0 Ask me how I know that on the Tiger and on a Ford truck.<br>=
<br></span></div>
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<div id=3D"gmail-m_-1110503638575266261yiv2517201263">
<div>
<div>When the master leaks, that DOT4 will run down the firewall behind the=
 carpet and insulation. The paint does not appreciate brake/clutch fluid mu=
ch. If the slave leaks it=E2=80=99s dripping on the ground. Been there, got=
 the tee shirt.=C2=A0</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
<div>
<div id=3D"gmail-m_-1110503638575266261yiv2517201263yqt32044">
<div dir=3D"ltr">On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 11:09 AM Stu &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow noopener" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_b=
lank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204=
,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"font-size:small">Perfect timing, of course.=C2=A0 I&#39;ve dr=
iven it every couple weeks all summer, no problems.=C2=A0 But I was getting=
 it ready to go to a show tomorrow, the first one of the year.=C2=A0 I push=
ed=C2=A0it out of the garage, checked all=C2=A0the fluids, the tire pressur=
es, washed the windshield...</div>
<div style=3D"font-size:small">=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-size:small">And then I went to start it.=C2=A0 The clutc=
h pedal went straight to the floor, little resistance.=C2=A0 That&#39;s new=
.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I pumped it a few times and it started to feel more like norm=
al. No leaks on the ground, no fluid missing when I rechecked the reservoir=
.=C2=A0 I have the stock master and slave with silicon fluid.=C2=A0 I&#39;m=
 thinking its master rebuild time.=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-size:small">=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-size:small">=C2=A0Any other thoughts out there?</div>
<div style=3D"font-size:small">=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-size:small">So much for mini British car day at Larz And=
erson.=C2=A0 No way I&#39;m committing to a 45 minute drive into Brookline =
with a questionable clutch.=C2=A0 And there&#39;s no way to turn up a maste=
r rebuild kit this afternoon.</div>
<div style=3D"font-size:small">=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-size:small">Stu</div>
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Yeah except, he is using DOT5, and doesn=E2=80=99t=20
have a leak...
There is a spring inside the master that
has worn and snapped on me in the past,
I wonder if that=E2=80=99s the problem?  If so he
probably needs a new master.
Gary

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he tire pressures, washed the windshield...
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Yeah except, he is using DOT5, and doesn=E2=
=80=99t&nbsp;<div>have a leak...</div><div>There is a spring inside the mast=
er that</div><div>has worn and snapped on me in the past,</div><div>I wonder=
 if that=E2=80=99s the problem? &nbsp;If so he</div><div>probably needs a ne=
w master.</div><div>Gary</div><div><br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPh=
one</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Sep 12, 2020, at 1=
0:11 AM, Mark Rense via Tigers &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br><=
/blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div d=
ir=3D"auto">When the master leaks, that DOT4 will run down the firewall behi=
nd the carpet and insulation. The paint does not appreciate brake/clutch flu=
id much. If the slave leaks it=E2=80=99s dripping on the ground. Been there,=
 got the tee shirt.&nbsp;</div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D=
"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 11:09 AM Stu &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #c=
cc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" sty=
le=3D"font-size:small">Perfect timing, of course.&nbsp; I've driven it every=
 couple weeks all summer, no problems.&nbsp; But I was getting it ready to g=
o to a show tomorrow, the first one of the year.&nbsp; I pushed&nbsp;it out o=
f the garage, checked all&nbsp;the fluids, the tire pressures, washed the wi=
ndshield...</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br>=
</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">And then I went=
 to start it.&nbsp; The clutch pedal went straight to the floor, little resi=
stance.&nbsp; That's new.&nbsp; &nbsp;I pumped it a few times and it started=
 to feel more like normal. No leaks on the ground, no fluid missing when I r=
echecked the reservoir.&nbsp; I have the stock master and slave with silicon=
 fluid.&nbsp; I'm thinking its master rebuild time.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D=
"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_defa=
ult" style=3D"font-size:small">&nbsp;Any other thoughts out there?</div><div=
 class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"g=
mail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">So much for mini British car day at L=
arz Anderson.&nbsp; No way I'm committing to a 45 minute drive into Brooklin=
e with a questionable clutch.&nbsp; And there's no way to turn up a master r=
ebuild kit this afternoon.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-s=
ize:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">=
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From: coolvt--- via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 18:48:58 +0000 (UTC)

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But both can leak (by pass ) internally and no fluid will show up.=C2=A0 As=
k me how I know that on the Tiger and on a Ford truck.

In a message dated 9/12/2020 1:11:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, tigers@autox=
.team.net writes:=C2=A0When the master leaks, that DOT4 will run down the f=
irewall behind the carpet and insulation. The paint does not appreciate bra=
ke/clutch fluid much. If the slave leaks it=E2=80=99s dripping on the groun=
d. Been there, got the tee shirt.=C2=A0
On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 11:09 AM Stu <[email-masked]> wrote:
Perfect timing, of course.=C2=A0 I've driven it every couple weeks all summ=
er, no problems.=C2=A0 But I was getting it ready to go to a show tomorrow,=
 the first one of the year.=C2=A0 I pushed=C2=A0it out of the garage, check=
ed all=C2=A0the fluids, the tire pressures, washed the windshield...=C2=A0A=
nd then I went to start it.=C2=A0 The clutch pedal went straight to the flo=
or, little resistance.=C2=A0 That's new.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I pumped it a few time=
s and it started to feel more like normal. No leaks on the ground, no fluid=
 missing when I rechecked the reservoir.=C2=A0 I have the stock master and =
slave with silicon fluid.=C2=A0 I'm thinking its master rebuild time.=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0Any other thoughts out there?=C2=A0So much for mini British car=
 day at Larz Anderson.=C2=A0 No way I'm committing to a 45 minute drive int=
o Brookline with a questionable clutch.=C2=A0 And there's no way to turn up=
 a master rebuild kit this afternoon.=C2=A0Stu

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<div><span style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 1=
2pt; color: #000000;">But both can leak (by pass ) internally and no fluid =
will show up.&nbsp; Ask me how I know that on the Tiger and on a Ford truck=
.<br><br></span></div>
</div>
In a message dated 9/12/2020 1:11:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, tigers@autox=
.team.net writes:
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div id=3D"yiv2517201263">
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<div>When the master leaks, that DOT4 will run down the firewall behind the=
 carpet and insulation. The paint does not appreciate brake/clutch fluid mu=
ch. If the slave leaks it&rsquo;s dripping on the ground. Been there, got t=
he tee shirt.&nbsp;</div>
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<div id=3D"yiv2517201263yqt32044" class=3D"yiv2517201263yqt9849826782">
<div class=3D"yiv2517201263gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at =
11:09 AM Stu &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" r=
el=3D"nofollow noopener" shape=3D"rect">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<=
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 border-left: 1px #ccc solid; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div class=3D"yiv2517201263gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: small;">Perfe=
ct timing, of course.&nbsp; I've driven it every couple weeks all summer, n=
o problems.&nbsp; But I was getting it ready to go to a show tomorrow, the =
first one of the year.&nbsp; I pushed&nbsp;it out of the garage, checked al=
l&nbsp;the fluids, the tire pressures, washed the windshield...</div>
<div class=3D"yiv2517201263gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: small;">&nbsp=
;</div>
<div class=3D"yiv2517201263gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: small;">And t=
hen I went to start it.&nbsp; The clutch pedal went straight to the floor, =
little resistance.&nbsp; That's new.&nbsp; &nbsp;I pumped it a few times an=
d it started to feel more like normal. No leaks on the ground, no fluid mis=
sing when I rechecked the reservoir.&nbsp; I have the stock master and slav=
e with silicon fluid.&nbsp; I'm thinking its master rebuild time.&nbsp;</di=
v>
<div class=3D"yiv2517201263gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: small;">&nbsp=
;</div>
<div class=3D"yiv2517201263gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: small;">&nbsp=
;Any other thoughts out there?</div>
<div class=3D"yiv2517201263gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: small;">&nbsp=
;</div>
<div class=3D"yiv2517201263gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: small;">So mu=
ch for mini British car day at Larz Anderson.&nbsp; No way I'm committing t=
o a 45 minute drive into Brookline with a questionable clutch.&nbsp; And th=
ere's no way to turn up a master rebuild kit this afternoon.</div>
<div class=3D"yiv2517201263gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: small;">&nbsp=
;</div>
<div class=3D"yiv2517201263gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: small;">Stu</=
div>
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