Subject: Re: [Tigers] Distributor -> Oil Pump Shaft

From: R Flynn via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2020 11:08:53 -0400

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UPDATE & some additional questions after a 6 week hiatus for bruised ribs
to heal ...
- Put car up on stands, dropped oil pan
- No retaining clip to be found on oil pump driveshaft or in pan
  (either never there or fractured & came out with a previous oil change
perhaps)
- New, beefier shaft *with* retaining clip appropriately placed (& new
gasket) installed
- Buttoned everything back up, distributor straightforward to install now,
found TDC in preparation for retiming, etc.
  (FelPro 1 piece oil pan gasket w/snap screws makes things convenient,
nice bit of design)

Turned key, and got a big click sounding like starter is under load but
certainly not spinning ... hence the following questions

1) Any suggestions as to cause?
- Battery is fully charged, just came off conditioner
- Solenoid is less than 2Y old
- The starting system electrics were working fine before this adventure
began

2) Is it easier to just pull the oil pan again or get the starter out (vs
headers)?
- It won't come out with headers & oil pan in situ
- I am working with in up on floor stands, creeper height in a narrow
garage space
- *Since* I just pulled the oil pan, that seems like the most efficient
route (and I suspect the FelPro gasket will be fine)
- Plus another gift from the previous builder is a sheared off (small) oil
pan bolt on the front port corner (just next to the larger end bolt) that I
really should Easy Out, will be easier with oil pan removed (was leaving it
for another day ...)

3) Any recommendations on whether one of those  "mini starters" would be a
good replacement & easier to get in / out without having to remove engine
mounts, headers, or oil pans etc?
- DaleA put a Tremec TKO 5 speed in a few years ago for context

Cheers in advance,

Rick

On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 at 19:47, R Flynn <[email-masked]> wrote:

> In trying to replace the distributor after changing my intake manifold on
> the =E2=80=9865 289 in my Tiger, I am struggling to get it to slide down =
over the
> oil pump shaft, which seems to be leaning over.
> - tried jiggling the rotor
> - tried turning the crank with a ratchet while applying gentle pressure t=
o
> the distributor, though I was doing both
> - tried using a long socket & extension to put the oil pump shaft itself
> in different orientations
>
> My next attempts will involve
> - having someone else push down while I turn the crap with a ratchet
> - trying to pack some grease around the shaft with a screwdriver prior to
> inserting the distributor to keep the oil pump shaft more centered
>
> Would welcome any suggestions, solutions, or words of wisdom.
>
> Cheers in advance,
>
> Rick
>
> --
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> B9471206: http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/flynn_r/default.asp
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">UPD=
ATE &amp; some additional questions after a 6 week hiatus for bruised ribs =
to heal ...</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">- P=
ut car up on stands, dropped oil pan</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" styl=
e=3D"font-size:small">- No retaining clip to be found on oil pump driveshaf=
t or in pan</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">=C2=
=A0 (either never there or fractured &amp; came out with a previous oil cha=
nge perhaps)</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">- =
New, beefier shaft *with* retaining clip appropriately placed (&amp; new ga=
sket) installed</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"=
>- Buttoned everything back up, distributor straightforward to install now,=
 found TDC in preparation for retiming, etc.</div><div class=3D"gmail_defau=
lt" style=3D"font-size:small">=C2=A0 (FelPro 1 piece oil pan gasket w/snap =
screws makes things convenient, nice bit of design)</div><div class=3D"gmai=
l_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default"=
 style=3D"font-size:small">Turned key, and got a big click sounding like st=
arter is under load but certainly not spinning ... hence the following ques=
tions</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div=
><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">1) Any suggestions =
as to cause?</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">- =
Battery is fully charged, just came off conditioner</div><div class=3D"gmai=
l_default" style=3D"font-size:small">- Solenoid is less than 2Y old</div><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">- The starting system =
electrics were working fine before this adventure began</div><div class=3D"=
gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_defa=
ult" style=3D"font-size:small">2) Is it easier to just pull the oil pan aga=
in or get the starter out (vs headers)?</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" s=
tyle=3D"font-size:small">- It won&#39;t come out with headers &amp; oil pan=
 in situ</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">- I am=
 working with in up on floor stands, creeper height in a narrow garage spac=
e</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">- *Since* I j=
ust pulled the oil pan, that seems like the most efficient route (and I sus=
pect the FelPro gasket will be fine)</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" styl=
e=3D"font-size:small">- Plus another gift from the previous builder is a sh=
eared off (small) oil pan bolt on the front port corner (just next to the l=
arger end bolt) that I really should Easy Out, will be easier with oil pan =
removed (was leaving it for another day ...)</div><div class=3D"gmail_defau=
lt" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"font-size:small">3) Any recommendations on whether one of those=C2=A0 &=
quot;mini starters&quot; would be a good replacement &amp; easier to get in=
 / out without having to remove engine mounts, headers, or oil pans etc?</d=
iv><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">- DaleA put a Tre=
mec TKO 5 speed in a few years ago for context</div><div class=3D"gmail_def=
ault" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" styl=
e=3D"font-size:small">Cheers in advance,</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"f=
ont-size:small">Rick</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"=
ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 at 19:47, R Flynn &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; w=
rote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0p=
x 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=
=3D"auto">In trying to replace the distributor after changing my intake man=
ifold on the =E2=80=9865 289 in my Tiger, I am struggling to get it to slid=
e down over the oil pump shaft, which seems to be leaning over.</div><div d=
ir=3D"auto">- tried jiggling the rotor</div><div dir=3D"auto">- tried turni=
ng the crank with a ratchet while applying gentle pressure to the distribut=
or, though I was doing both</div><div dir=3D"auto">- tried using a long soc=
ket &amp; extension to put the oil pump shaft itself in different orientati=
ons</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">My next attempts wil=
l involve</div><div dir=3D"auto">- having someone else push down while I tu=
rn the crap with a ratchet</div><div dir=3D"auto">- trying to pack some gre=
ase around the shaft with a screwdriver prior to inserting the distributor =
to keep the oil pump shaft more centered</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><=
div dir=3D"auto">Would welcome any suggestions, solutions, or words of wisd=
om.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Cheers in advance,</=
div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Rick</div><div dir=3D"aut=
o"><br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr">rick<br>B9471206: <a href=3D"http://ww=
w.tigersunited.com/car_show/flynn_r/default.asp" target=3D"_blank">http://w=
ww.tigersunited.com/car_show/flynn_r/default.asp</a></div>
</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr"=
>rick<br>B9471206: <a href=3D"http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/flynn_r/=
default.asp" target=3D"_blank">http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/flynn_r=
/default.asp</a></div>

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From: coolvt--- via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2020 15:16:30 +0000 (UTC)

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If the starter was working correctly before, I would suggest checking that =
all of the=C2=A0 grounds are in good, shiny shape.

=C2=A0In a message dated 9/20/2020 11:09:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, tiger=
[email-masked] writes:=C2=A0UPDATE & some additional questions after a 6 =
week hiatus for bruised ribs to heal ...- Put car up on stands, dropped oil=
 pan- No retaining clip to be found on oil pump driveshaft or in pan=C2=A0 =
(either never there or fractured & came out with a previous oil change perh=
aps)- New, beefier shaft *with* retaining clip appropriately placed (& new =
gasket) installed- Buttoned everything back up, distributor straightforward=
 to install now, found TDC in preparation for retiming, etc.=C2=A0 (FelPro =
1 piece oil pan gasket w/snap screws makes things convenient, nice bit of d=
esign)=C2=A0Turned key, and got a big click sounding like starter is under =
load but certainly not spinning ... hence the following questions=C2=A01) A=
ny suggestions as to cause?- Battery is fully charged, just came off condit=
ioner- Solenoid is less than 2Y old- The starting system electrics were wor=
king fine before this adventure began=C2=A02) Is it easier to just pull the=
 oil pan again or get the starter out (vs headers)?- It won't come out with=
 headers & oil pan in situ- I am working with in up on floor stands, creepe=
r height in a narrow garage space- *Since* I just pulled the oil pan, that =
seems like the most efficient route (and I suspect the FelPro gasket will b=
e fine)- Plus another gift from the previous builder is a sheared off (smal=
l) oil pan bolt on the front port corner (just next to the larger end bolt)=
 that I really should Easy Out, will be easier with oil pan removed (was le=
aving it for another day ...)=C2=A03) Any recommendations on whether one of=
 those=C2=A0 "mini starters" would be a good replacement & easier to get in=
 / out without having to remove engine mounts, headers, or oil pans etc?- D=
aleA put a Tremec TKO 5 speed in a few years ago for context=C2=A0Cheers in=
 advance,=C2=A0Rick
On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 at 19:47, R Flynn <[email-masked]> wrote:
In trying to replace the distributor after changing my intake manifold on t=
he =E2=80=9865 289 in my Tiger, I am struggling to get it to slide down ove=
r the oil pump shaft, which seems to be leaning over.- tried jiggling the r=
otor- tried turning the crank with a ratchet while applying gentle pressure=
 to the distributor, though I was doing both- tried using a long socket & e=
xtension to put the oil pump shaft itself in different orientations=C2=A0My=
 next attempts will involve- having someone else push down while I turn the=
 crap with a ratchet- trying to pack some grease around the shaft with a sc=
rewdriver prior to inserting the distributor to keep the oil pump shaft mor=
e centered=C2=A0Would welcome any suggestions, solutions, or words of wisdo=
m.=C2=A0Cheers in advance,=C2=A0Rick=C2=A0--=20
rick
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<div><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000;">If the starter was working correctly before, I would suggest checking that all of the&nbsp; grounds are in good, shiny shape.<br><br></span></div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
</div>
In a message dated 9/20/2020 11:09:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email-masked] writes:
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div id="yiv6967957994">
<div dir="ltr">
<div class="yiv6967957994gmail_default" style="font-size: small;">UPDATE &amp; some additional questions after a 6 week hiatus for bruised ribs to heal ...</div>
<div class="yiv6967957994gmail_default" style="font-size: small;">- Put car up on stands, dropped oil pan</div>
<div class="yiv6967957994gmail_default" style="font-size: small;">- No retaining clip to be found on oil pump driveshaft or in pan</div>
<div class="yiv6967957994gmail_default" style="font-size: small;">&nbsp; (either never there or fractured &amp; came out with a previous oil change perhaps)</div>
<div class="yiv6967957994gmail_default" style="font-size: small;">- New, beefier shaft *with* retaining clip appropriately placed (&amp; new gasket) installed</div>
<div class="yiv6967957994gmail_default" style="font-size: small;">- Buttoned everything back up, distributor straightforward to install now, found TDC in preparation for retiming, etc.</div>
<div class="yiv6967957994gmail_default" style="font-size: small;">&nbsp; (FelPro 1 piece oil pan gasket w/snap screws makes things convenient, nice bit of design)</div>
<div class="yiv6967957994gmail_default" style="font-size: small;">&nbsp;</div>
<div class="yiv6967957994gmail_default" style="font-size: small;">Turned key, and got a big click sounding like starter is under load but certainly not spinning ... hence the following questions</div>
<div class="yiv6967957994gmail_default" style="font-size: small;">&nbsp;</div>
<div class="yiv6967957994gmail_default" style="font-size: small;">1) Any suggestions as to cause?</div>
<div class="yiv6967957994gmail_default" style="font-size: small;">- Battery is fully charged, just came off conditioner</div>
<div class="yiv6967957994gmail_default" style="font-size: small;">- Solenoid is less than 2Y old</div>
<div class="yiv6967957994gmail_default" style="font-size: small;">- The starting system electrics were working fine before this adventure began</div>
<div class="yiv6967957994gmail_default" style="font-size: small;">&nbsp;</div>
<div class="yiv6967957994gmail_default" style="font-size: small;">2) Is it easier to just pull the oil pan again or get the starter out (vs headers)?</div>
<div class="yiv6967957994gmail_default" style="font-size: small;">- It won't come out with headers &amp; oil pan in situ</div>
<div class="yiv6967957994gmail_default" style="font-size: small;">- I am working with in up on floor stands, creeper height in a narrow garage space</div>
<div class="yiv6967957994gmail_default" style="font-size: small;">- *Since* I just pulled the oil pan, that seems like the most efficient route (and I suspect the FelPro gasket will be fine)</div>
<div class="yiv6967957994gmail_default" style="font-size: small;">- Plus another gift from the previous builder is a sheared off (small) oil pan bolt on the front port corner (just next to the larger end bolt) that I really should Easy Out, will be easier with oil pan removed (was leaving it for another day ...)</div>
<div class="yiv6967957994gmail_default" style="font-size: small;">&nbsp;</div>
<div class="yiv6967957994gmail_default" style="font-size: small;">3) Any recommendations on whether one of those&nbsp; "mini starters" would be a good replacement &amp; easier to get in / out without having to remove engine mounts, headers, or oil pans etc?</div>
<div class="yiv6967957994gmail_default" style="font-size: small;">- DaleA put a Tremec TKO 5 speed in a few years ago for context</div>
<div class="yiv6967957994gmail_default" style="font-size: small;">&nbsp;</div>
<div class="yiv6967957994gmail_default" style="font-size: small;">Cheers in advance,</div>
<div class="yiv6967957994gmail_default" style="font-size: small;">&nbsp;</div>
<div class="yiv6967957994gmail_default" style="font-size: small;">Rick</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="yiv6967957994gmail_quote">
<div class="yiv6967957994gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 at 19:47, R Flynn &lt;<a href="mailto:[email-masked]" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
<blockquote class="yiv6967957994gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #cccccc; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div>In trying to replace the distributor after changing my intake manifold on the &lsquo;65 289 in my Tiger, I am struggling to get it to slide down over the oil pump shaft, which seems to be leaning over.</div>
<div>- tried jiggling the rotor</div>
<div>- tried turning the crank with a ratchet while applying gentle pressure to the distributor, though I was doing both</div>
<div>- tried using a long socket &amp; extension to put the oil pump shaft itself in different orientations</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>My next attempts will involve</div>
<div>- having someone else push down while I turn the crap with a ratchet</div>
<div>- trying to pack some grease around the shaft with a screwdriver prior to inserting the distributor to keep the oil pump shaft more centered</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Would welcome any suggestions, solutions, or words of wisdom.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Cheers in advance,</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Rick</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
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</blockquote>
</div>
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<div>&nbsp;</div>
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From: "Ron Fraser" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 15:40:57 -0400

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Sometimes the starter relay just quits.   I had the starter relay work =
fine one day then fail the next day =E2=80=93 they can be fickle.

I hope you have had luck solving this problem.

=20

Please relay, to all, the Fel Pro part number for the 1 piece oil pan =
gasket; I=E2=80=99m sure others are interested too.

=20

Ron Fraser

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From: Tigers <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of R Flynn via =
Tigers
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 11:09 AM
To: <[email-masked]> <[email-masked]>
Cc: R Flynn <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Distributor -> Oil Pump Shaft

=20

UPDATE & some additional questions after a 6 week hiatus for bruised =
ribs to heal ...

  (either never there or fractured & came out with a previous oil change =
perhaps)

- New, beefier shaft *with* retaining clip appropriately placed (& new =
gasket) installed

- Buttoned everything back up, distributor straightforward to install =
now, found TDC in preparation for retiming, etc.

  (FelPro 1 piece oil pan gasket w/snap screws makes things convenient, =
nice bit of design)

=20

Turned key, and got a big click sounding like starter is under load but =
certainly not spinning ... hence the following questions

=20

- The starting system electrics were working fine before this adventure =
began

=20

2) Is it easier to just pull the oil pan again or get the starter out =
(vs headers)?

- I am working with in up on floor stands, creeper height in a narrow =
garage space

- *Since* I just pulled the oil pan, that seems like the most efficient =
route (and I suspect the FelPro gasket will be fine)

- Plus another gift from the previous builder is a sheared off (small) =
oil pan bolt on the front port corner (just next to the larger end bolt) =
that I really should Easy Out, will be easier with oil pan removed (was =
leaving it for another day ...)

=20

3) Any recommendations on whether one of those  "mini starters" would be =
a good replacement & easier to get in / out without having to remove =
engine mounts, headers, or oil pans etc?

=20

Cheers in advance,

=20

Rick

=20

On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 at 19:47, R Flynn <[email-masked] =

In trying to replace the distributor after changing my intake manifold =
on the =E2=80=9865 289 in my Tiger, I am struggling to get it to slide =
down over the oil pump shaft, which seems to be leaning over.

- tried turning the crank with a ratchet while applying gentle pressure =
to the distributor, though I was doing both

- tried using a long socket & extension to put the oil pump shaft itself =
in different orientations

=20

- trying to pack some grease around the shaft with a screwdriver prior =
to inserting the distributor to keep the oil pump shaft more centered

=20

=20

Cheers in advance,

=20

Rick

=20

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rick

=20

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>Sometimes =
the starter relay just quits.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I had the starter relay work =
fine one day then fail the next day =E2=80=93 they can be =
fickle.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I hope you have had luck =
solving this problem.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Please =
relay, to all, the Fel Pro part number for the 1 piece oil pan gasket; =
I=E2=80=99m sure others are interested too.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Ron =
Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Tigers =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>R Flynn via =
Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 20, 2020 11:09 AM<br><b>To:</b> =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> R Flynn =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Distributor =
-&gt; Oil Pump Shaft<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>UPDATE &amp; some =
additional questions after a 6 week hiatus for bruised ribs to heal =
...<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>- Put car up on stands, dropped oil =
pan<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>- No retaining clip to be found on oil pump =
driveshaft or in pan<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp; (either never =
there or fractured &amp; came out with a previous oil change =
perhaps)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>- New, beefier shaft *with* retaining clip =
appropriately placed (&amp; new gasket) =
installed<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>- Buttoned everything back up, distributor =
straightforward to install now, found TDC in preparation for retiming, =
etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp; (FelPro 1 piece oil pan gasket w/snap =
screws makes things convenient, nice bit of =
design)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Turned key, and got a =
big click sounding like starter is under load but certainly not spinning =
... hence the following questions<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>1) Any suggestions as =
to cause?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>- Battery is fully charged, just came off =
conditioner<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>- Solenoid is less than 2Y =
old<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>- The starting system electrics were working =
fine before this adventure began<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>2) Is it easier to =
just pull the oil pan again or get the starter out (vs =
headers)?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>- It won't come out with headers &amp; oil =
pan in situ<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>- I am working with in up on floor stands, =
creeper height in a narrow garage =
space<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>- *Since* I just pulled the oil pan, that =
seems like the most efficient route (and I suspect the FelPro gasket =
will be fine)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>- Plus another gift from the previous builder =
is a sheared off (small) oil pan bolt on the front port corner (just =
next to the larger end bolt) that I really should Easy Out, will be =
easier with oil pan removed (was leaving it for another day =
...)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>3) Any =
recommendations on whether one of those&nbsp; &quot;mini starters&quot; =
would be a good replacement &amp; easier to get in / out without having =
to remove engine mounts, headers, or oil pans =
etc?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>- DaleA put a Tremec TKO 5 speed in a few =
years ago for context<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Cheers in =
advance,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Rick<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Wed, 12 Aug 2020 at 19:47, R Flynn &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>In trying to replace the distributor =
after changing my intake manifold on the =E2=80=9865 289 in my Tiger, I =
am struggling to get it to slide down over the oil pump shaft, which =
seems to be leaning over.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>- tried jiggling the rotor<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>- tried turning the crank with a ratchet while =
applying gentle pressure to the distributor, though I was doing =
both<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>- tried using a long =
socket &amp; extension to put the oil pump shaft itself in different =
orientations<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>My next attempts will =
involve<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>- having someone =
else push down while I turn the crap with a =
ratchet<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>- trying to pack =
some grease around the shaft with a screwdriver prior to inserting the =
distributor to keep the oil pump shaft more =
centered<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Would welcome any suggestions, solutions, or words of =
wisdom.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Cheers in advance,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Rick<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>-- =
<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>rick<br>B9471206: <a =
href=3D"http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/flynn_r/default.asp" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/flynn_r/default.as=
p</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><br =
clear=3Dall><o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>-- =
<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>rick<br>B9471206: <a =
href=3D"http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/flynn_r/default.asp" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/flynn_r/default.as=
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From: R Flynn via Tigers <[email-masked]>
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FYI, the part number for the 1 piece oil pan gasket w/snap screws to aid
installation is described as =E2=80=9CFord Small-Block V8 289 & 302 (1962 -=
 1987)
on their website is:

    Fel-Pro =E2=80=9COS 13260 T

It is available from the usual places and worked a treat (a 1965 289 was
transplanted in to my Tiger MK1 in the distant past by some PO).

On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 3:41 PM Ron Fraser <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Sometimes the starter relay just quits.   I had the starter relay work
> Please relay, to all, the Fel Pro part number for the 1 piece oil pan
> *From:* Tigers <[email-masked]> *On Behalf Of *R Flynn via
> Tigers
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 20, 2020 11:09 AM
> *To:* <[email-masked]> <[email-masked]>
> *Cc:* R Flynn <[email-masked]>
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Distributor -> Oil Pump Shaft
>
>
>
> - Buttoned everything back up, distributor straightforward to install now=
,
> - Plus another gift from the previous builder is a sheared off (small) oi=
l
> pan bolt on the front port corner (just next to the larger end bolt) that=
 I
> really should Easy Out, will be easier with oil pan removed (was leaving =
it
> 3) Any recommendations on whether one of those  "mini starters" would be =
a
over the
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<div dir=3D"auto">FYI, the part number for the 1 piece oil pan gasket w/sna=
p screws to aid installation is described as =E2=80=9CFord Small-Block V8 2=
89 &amp; 302 (1962 - 1987) on their website is:</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br>=
</div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Fel-Pro =E2=80=9COS 13260 T</div><div=
 dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">It is available from the usual pl=
aces and worked a treat (a 1965 289 was transplanted in to my Tiger MK1 in =
the distant past by some PO).</div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div=
 dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 3:41 PM Ron Frase=
r &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8e=
x;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"=
blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div class=3D"m_5109448050572888333WordSection1"><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Sometimes the starter relay just quits.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I h=
ad the starter relay work fine one day then fail the next day =E2=80=93 the=
y can be fickle.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I hope you have ha=
d luck solving this problem.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u=
>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Please relay, to all, the Fel Pro =
part number for the 1 piece oil pan gasket; I=E2=80=99m sure others are int=
erested too.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ron Fraser<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Tigers &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">tigers-boun=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>R Flynn via Tigers<br><b>Sen=
t:</b> Sunday, September 20, 2020 11:09 AM<br><b>To:</b> &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">tigers@autox=
.team.net</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> R Flynn &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:flynnr2@gmail=
.com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [T=
igers] Distributor -&gt; Oil Pump Shaft<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:12.0pt">UPDATE &amp; some additional questions after a 6 week=
 hiatus for bruised ribs to heal ...<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></=
div></div><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div class=3D"=
m_5109448050572888333WordSection1"><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:12.0pt">- Put car up on stands, dropped oil pan<u></u><u>=
</u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
2.0pt">- No retaining clip to be found on oil pump driveshaft or in pan<u><=
/u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-=
size:12.0pt">=C2=A0 (either never there or fractured &amp; came out with a =
previous oil change perhaps)<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">- New, beefier shaft *with* re=
taining clip appropriately placed (&amp; new gasket) installed<u></u><u></u=
></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0=
pt">- Buttoned everything back up, distributor straightforward to install n=
ow, found TDC in preparation for retiming, etc.<u></u><u></u></span></p></d=
iv><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">=C2=A0 (Fel=
Pro 1 piece oil pan gasket w/snap screws makes things convenient, nice bit =
of design)<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Turned key, and got a big=
 click sounding like starter is under load but certainly not spinning ... h=
ence the following questions<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p=
></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">1) Any =
suggestions as to cause?<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">- Battery is fully charged, just c=
ame off conditioner<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">- Solenoid is less than 2Y old<u></u><u=
></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:=
12.0pt">- The starting system electrics were working fine before this adven=
ture began<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">2) Is it easier to just p=
ull the oil pan again or get the starter out (vs headers)?<u></u><u></u></s=
pan></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">=
- It won&#39;t come out with headers &amp; oil pan in situ<u></u><u></u></s=
pan></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">=
- I am working with in up on floor stands, creeper height in a narrow garag=
e space<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:12.0pt">- *Since* I just pulled the oil pan, that seems lik=
e the most efficient route (and I suspect the FelPro gasket will be fine)<u=
></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:12.0pt">- Plus another gift from the previous builder is a sheared o=
ff (small) oil pan bolt on the front port corner (just next to the larger e=
nd bolt) that I really should Easy Out, will be easier with oil pan removed=
 (was leaving it for another day ...)<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt=
">3) Any recommendations on whether one of those=C2=A0 &quot;mini starters&=
quot; would be a good replacement &amp; easier to get in / out without havi=
ng to remove engine mounts, headers, or oil pans etc?<u></u><u></u></span><=
/p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">- Dal=
eA put a Tremec TKO 5 speed in a few years ago for context<u></u><u></u></s=
pan></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">=
<u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Cheers in advance,<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><di=
v><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u><=
/u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12=
.0pt">Rick<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></=
u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 at =
19:47, R Flynn &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">f=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style=3D=
"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;marg=
in-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal">In trying to replace the distributor after changing m=
y intake manifold on the =E2=80=9865 289 in my Tiger, I am struggling to ge=
t it to slide down over the oil pump shaft, which seems to be leaning over.=
<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">- tried jiggling the ro=
tor<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">- tried turning the =
crank with a ratchet while applying gentle pressure to the distributor, tho=
ugh I was doing both<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">- t=
ried using a long socket &amp; extension to put the oil pump shaft itself i=
n different orientations<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">My next attempts=
 will involve<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">- having s=
omeone else push down while I turn the crap with a ratchet<u></u><u></u></p=
></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">- trying to pack some grease around the =
shaft with a screwdriver prior to inserting the distributor to keep the oil=
 pump shaft more centered<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Would welcome a=
ny suggestions, solutions, or words of wisdom.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal">Cheers in advance,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Rick<u></u><u></=
u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal">-- <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">rick<br>=
B9471206: <a href=3D"http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/flynn_r/default.a=
sp" target=3D"_blank">http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/flynn_r/default.=
asp</a><u></u><u></u></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b=
r clear=3D"all"><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0=
<u></u></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">-- <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">rick<br>B9471206: <a href=3D"http://www.tigersunited.com/car=
_show/flynn_r/default.asp" target=3D"_blank">http://www.tigersunited.com/ca=
r_show/flynn_r/default.asp</a><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></blockqu=
ote></div></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" data-smar=
tmail=3D"gmail_signature">rick<br>B9471206: <a href=3D"http://www.tigersuni=
ted.com/car_show/flynn_r/default.asp" target=3D"_blank">http://www.tigersun=
ited.com/car_show/flynn_r/default.asp</a></div>

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