Subject: Re: [Tigers] Distributor -> Oil Pump Shaft

From: Gary <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 18:39:35 -0700

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Sometimes they are just difficult...
IIRC, one time we could see the drive shaft was off to one side.  We 
jacked the car on that side so it leaned to the other side
which made it more vertical...
Good luck,
Gary

On 8/12/2020 4:47 PM, R Flynn via Tigers wrote:
> In trying to replace the distributor after changing my intake manifold 
> on the ‘65 289 in my Tiger, I am struggling to get it to slide down 
> over the oil pump shaft, which seems to be leaning over.
> - tried jiggling the rotor
> - tried turning the crank with a ratchet while applying gentle 
> pressure to the distributor, though I was doing both
> - tried using a long socket & extension to put the oil pump shaft 
> itself in different orientations
>
> My next attempts will involve
> - having someone else push down while I turn the crap with a ratchet
> - trying to pack some grease around the shaft with a screwdriver prior 
> to inserting the distributor to keep the oil pump shaft more centered
>
> Would welcome any suggestions, solutions, or words of wisdom.
>
> Cheers in advance,
>
> Rick
>
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    Sometimes they are just difficult...<br>
    IIRC, one time we could see the drive shaft was off to one side.  We
    jacked the car on that side so it leaned to the other side<br>
    which made it more vertical...<br>
    Good luck,<br>
    Gary<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/12/2020 4:47 PM, R Flynn via
      Tigers wrote:<br>
    </div>
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cite="mid:[email-masked]">
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      <div dir="auto">In trying to replace the distributor after
        changing my intake manifold on the ‘65 289 in my Tiger, I am
        struggling to get it to slide down over the oil pump shaft,
        which seems to be leaning over.</div>
      <div dir="auto">- tried jiggling the rotor</div>
      <div dir="auto">- tried turning the crank with a ratchet while
        applying gentle pressure to the distributor, though I was doing
        both</div>
      <div dir="auto">- tried using a long socket &amp; extension to put
        the oil pump shaft itself in different orientations</div>
      <div dir="auto"><br>
      </div>
      <div dir="auto">My next attempts will involve</div>
      <div dir="auto">- having someone else push down while I turn the
        crap with a ratchet</div>
      <div dir="auto">- trying to pack some grease around the shaft with
        a screwdriver prior to inserting the distributor to keep the oil
        pump shaft more centered</div>
      <div dir="auto"><br>
      </div>
      <div dir="auto">Would welcome any suggestions, solutions, or words
        of wisdom.</div>
      <div dir="auto"><br>
      </div>
      <div dir="auto">Cheers in advance,</div>
      <div dir="auto"><br>
      </div>
      <div dir="auto">Rick</div>
      <div dir="auto"><br>
      </div>
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A bit more diagnostic information
- when I run a stiff hanger wire down the side of the shaft, I do not feel
the retaining clip that should be present
- Beveled edge does visually appear to be at the top
- There is no residue in the distributor shaft (i.e. does seem like the
last person in there stuck the shaft into the distributor just to get it to
seat)
- I can get a socket on the oil pump shaft and spin it but there is zero
resistance, not sure if that is normal?

I am a bit concerned that the shaft has come unseated from the oil pump at
the bottom end given there does not appear to be any retaining clip & it
leans over against the wall of the hole it is in.

Starting to wonder if I should drop the oil pan (which I believe I can do
without removing the entire engine, appreciate any input on that) and do
things properly.

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> On 8/12/2020 4:47 PM, R Flynn via
>
> Tigers wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> In trying to replace the distributor after
>
> changing my intake manifold on the =E2=80=9865 289 in my Tiger, I am
>
> which seems to be leaning over.
>
>
> - tried turning the crank with a ratchet while
>
> both
> - tried using a long socket & extension to put
>
> the oil pump shaft itself in different orientations
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> - having someone else push down while I turn the
>
> crap with a ratchet
>
>
> - trying to pack some grease around the shaft with
>
> pump shaft more centered
> Would welcome any suggestions, solutions, or words
>
> of wisdom.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheers in advance,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Rick
>
>
>
>
>
>
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<div><div dir=3D"auto">A bit more diagnostic information</div></div><div di=
r=3D"auto">- when I run a stiff hanger wire down the side of the shaft, I d=
o not feel the retaining clip that should be present</div><div dir=3D"auto"=
>- Beveled edge does visually appear to be at the top</div><div dir=3D"auto=
">- There is no residue in the distributor shaft (i.e. does seem like the l=
ast person in there stuck the shaft into the distributor just to get it to =
seat)</div><div dir=3D"auto">- I can get a socket on the oil pump shaft and=
 spin it but there is zero resistance, not sure if that is normal?</div><di=
v dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I am a bit concerned that the sh=
aft has come unseated from the oil pump at the bottom end given there does =
not appear to be any retaining clip &amp; it leans over against the wall of=
 the hole it is in.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Star=
ting to wonder if I should drop the oil pan (which I believe I can do witho=
ut removing the entire engine, appreciate any input on that) and do things =
properly.</div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 9:40 PM Gary &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><b=
lockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px =
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br><br>  <br><br>    <br><br>  <br><br>  <div=
><br><br>    Sometimes they are just difficult...<br><br><br>    IIRC, one =
time we could see the drive shaft was off to one side.=C2=A0 We<br><br>    =
jacked the car on that side so it leaned to the other side<br><br><br>    w=
hich made it more vertical...<br><br><br>    Good luck,<br><br><br>    Gary=
</div><div><br><br><br>    <br><br><br>    <br><br><br>    <div>On 8/12/202=
0 4:47 PM, R Flynn via<br><br>      Tigers wrote:<br><br><br>    </div><br>=
<br>    </div><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"></blockquote></div><div><block=
quote type=3D"cite"><br><br>      <br><br>      <div dir=3D"auto">In trying=
 to replace the distributor after<br><br>        changing my intake manifol=
d on the =E2=80=9865 289 in my Tiger, I am<br><br>        struggling to get=
 it to slide down over the oil pump shaft,<br><br>        which seems to be=
 leaning over.</div><br><br>      <div dir=3D"auto">- tried jiggling the ro=
tor</div><br><br>      <div dir=3D"auto">- tried turning the crank with a r=
atchet while<br><br>        applying gentle pressure to the distributor, th=
ough I was doing<br><br>        both</div><br><br>      <div dir=3D"auto">-=
 tried using a long socket &amp; extension to put<br><br>        the oil pu=
mp shaft itself in different orientations</div><br><br>      <div dir=3D"au=
to"><br><br><br>      </div><br><br>      <div dir=3D"auto">My next attempt=
s will involve</div><br><br>      <div dir=3D"auto">- having someone else p=
ush down while I turn the<br><br>        crap with a ratchet</div><br><br> =
     <div dir=3D"auto">- trying to pack some grease around the shaft with<b=
r><br>        a screwdriver prior to inserting the distributor to keep the =
oil<br><br>        pump shaft more centered</div><br><br>      <div dir=3D"=
auto"><br><br><br>      </div><br><br>      <div dir=3D"auto">Would welcome=
 any suggestions, solutions, or words<br><br>        of wisdom.</div><br><b=
r>      <div dir=3D"auto"><br><br><br>      </div><br><br>      <div dir=3D=
"auto">Cheers in advance,</div><br><br>      <div dir=3D"auto"><br><br><br>=
      </div><br><br>      <div dir=3D"auto">Rick</div><br><br>      <div di=
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Missing clip is bad, it can fall into the pan.
You can get the pan off in the car.. I think you might have to take out 
the starter and re-gasket it.
I would try more to to re-seat it or get the distributor back first.
It should turn pretty easily when in the pump though, should be some 
drag though.
I have a special tool to spin it but a socket should work..  put a drill 
on it an see if you can spin it
to get oil pressure.  Drill needs to be on reverse.  You'll get more 
resistance at speed.
Gary

On 8/13/2020 5:45 AM, R Flynn via Tigers wrote:
> - when I run a stiff hanger wire down the side of the shaft, I do not 
> feel the retaining clip that should be present
> - There is no residue in the distributor shaft (i.e. does seem like 
> the last person in there stuck the shaft into the distributor just to 
> get it to seat)
> - I can get a socket on the oil pump shaft and spin it but there is 
> zero resistance, not sure if that is normal?
>
> I am a bit concerned that the shaft has come unseated from the oil 
> pump at the bottom end given there does not appear to be any retaining 
> clip & it leans over against the wall of the hole it is in.
>
> Starting to wonder if I should drop the oil pan (which I believe I can 
> do without removing the entire engine, appreciate any input on that) 
> and do things properly.
>
> On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 9:40 PM Gary <[email-masked] 
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    Missing clip is bad, it can fall into the pan.<br>
    You can get the pan off in the car.. I think you might have to take
    out the starter and re-gasket it.<br>
    I would try more to to re-seat it or get the distributor back first.<br>
    It should turn pretty easily when in the pump though, should be some
    drag though.<br>
    I have a special tool to spin it but a socket should work..  put a
    drill on it an see if you can spin it<br>
    to get oil pressure.  Drill needs to be on reverse.  You'll get more
    resistance at speed.<br>
    Gary<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/13/2020 5:45 AM, R Flynn via
      Tigers wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:[email-masked]">
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      <div>
        <div dir="auto">A bit more diagnostic information</div>
      </div>
      <div dir="auto">- when I run a stiff hanger wire down the side of
        the shaft, I do not feel the retaining clip that should be
        present</div>
      <div dir="auto">- Beveled edge does visually appear to be at the
        top</div>
      <div dir="auto">- There is no residue in the distributor shaft
        (i.e. does seem like the last person in there stuck the shaft
        into the distributor just to get it to seat)</div>
      <div dir="auto">- I can get a socket on the oil pump shaft and
        spin it but there is zero resistance, not sure if that is
        normal?</div>
      <div dir="auto"><br>
      </div>
      <div dir="auto">I am a bit concerned that the shaft has come
        unseated from the oil pump at the bottom end given there does
        not appear to be any retaining clip &amp; it leans over against
        the wall of the hole it is in.</div>
      <div dir="auto"><br>
      </div>
      <div dir="auto">Starting to wonder if I should drop the oil pan
        (which I believe I can do without removing the entire engine,
        appreciate any input on that) and do things properly.</div>
      <div><br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">
          <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 9:40
            PM Gary &lt;<a href="mailto:[email-masked]"
              moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
            wrote:<br>
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            <br>
            <br>
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            <br>
            <br>
            <br>
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            <div><br>
              <br>
              Sometimes they are just difficult...<br>
              <br>
              <br>
              IIRC, one time we could see the drive shaft was off to one
              side.  We<br>
              <br>
              jacked the car on that side so it leaned to the other side<br>
              <br>
              <br>
              which made it more vertical...<br>
              <br>
              <br>
              Good luck,<br>
              <br>
              <br>
              Gary</div>
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              <div>On 8/12/2020 4:47 PM, R Flynn via<br>
                <br>
                Tigers wrote:<br>
                <br>
                <br>
              </div>
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                <br>
                <br>
                <br>
                <div dir="auto">In trying to replace the distributor
                  after<br>
                  <br>
                  changing my intake manifold on the ‘65 289 in my
                  Tiger, I am<br>
                  <br>
                  struggling to get it to slide down over the oil pump
                  shaft,<br>
                  <br>
                  which seems to be leaning over.</div>
                <br>
                <br>
                <div dir="auto">- tried jiggling the rotor</div>
                <br>
                <br>
                <div dir="auto">- tried turning the crank with a ratchet
                  while<br>
                  <br>
                  applying gentle pressure to the distributor, though I
                  was doing<br>
                  <br>
                  both</div>
                <br>
                <br>
                <div dir="auto">- tried using a long socket &amp;
                  extension to put<br>
                  <br>
                  the oil pump shaft itself in different orientations</div>
                <br>
                <br>
                <div dir="auto"><br>
                  <br>
                  <br>
                </div>
                <br>
                <br>
                <div dir="auto">My next attempts will involve</div>
                <br>
                <br>
                <div dir="auto">- having someone else push down while I
                  turn the<br>
                  <br>
                  crap with a ratchet</div>
                <br>
                <br>
                <div dir="auto">- trying to pack some grease around the
                  shaft with<br>
                  <br>
                  a screwdriver prior to inserting the distributor to
                  keep the oil<br>
                  <br>
                  pump shaft more centered</div>
                <br>
                <br>
                <div dir="auto"><br>
                  <br>
                  <br>
                </div>
                <br>
                <br>
                <div dir="auto">Would welcome any suggestions,
                  solutions, or words<br>
                  <br>
                  of wisdom.</div>
                <br>
                <br>
                <div dir="auto"><br>
                  <br>
                  <br>
                </div>
                <br>
                <br>
                <div dir="auto">Cheers in advance,</div>
                <br>
                <br>
                <div dir="auto"><br>
                  <br>
                  <br>
                </div>
                <br>
                <br>
                <div dir="auto">Rick</div>
                <br>
                <br>
                <div dir="auto"><br>
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Make sure you DO NOT use a magnetic socket to turn the shaft.  If it's not
unseated already, that could pull it out.

Stu

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> It should turn pretty easily when in the pump though, should be some drag
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Mak=
e sure you DO NOT use a magnetic socket to turn the shaft.=C2=A0 If it&#39;=
s not unseated already, that could pull it out.</div><div class=3D"gmail_de=
fault" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" sty=
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lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&g=
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    Missing clip is bad, it can fall into the pan.<br>
    You can get the pan off in the car.. I think you might have to take
    out the starter and re-gasket it.<br>
    I would try more to to re-seat it or get the distributor back first.<br=
    It should turn pretty easily when in the pump though, should be some
    drag though.<br>
    I have a special tool to spin it but a socket should work..=C2=A0 put a
    drill on it an see if you can spin it<br>
    to get oil pressure.=C2=A0 Drill needs to be on reverse.=C2=A0 You&#39;=
ll get more
    resistance at speed.<br>
    Gary<br>
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    <div>On 8/13/2020 5:45 AM, R Flynn via
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      <div>
        <div dir=3D"auto">A bit more diagnostic information</div>
      </div>
      <div dir=3D"auto">- when I run a stiff hanger wire down the side of
        the shaft, I do not feel the retaining clip that should be
        present</div>
      <div dir=3D"auto">- Beveled edge does visually appear to be at the
        top</div>
      <div dir=3D"auto">- There is no residue in the distributor shaft
        (i.e. does seem like the last person in there stuck the shaft
        into the distributor just to get it to seat)</div>
      <div dir=3D"auto">- I can get a socket on the oil pump shaft and
        spin it but there is zero resistance, not sure if that is
        normal?</div>
      <div dir=3D"auto"><br>
      </div>
      <div dir=3D"auto">I am a bit concerned that the shaft has come
        unseated from the oil pump at the bottom end given there does
        not appear to be any retaining clip &amp; it leans over against
        the wall of the hole it is in.</div>
      <div dir=3D"auto"><br>
      </div>
      <div dir=3D"auto">Starting to wonder if I should drop the oil pan
        (which I believe I can do without removing the entire engine,
        appreciate any input on that) and do things properly.</div>
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              Sometimes they are just difficult...<br>
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              IIRC, one time we could see the drive shaft was off to one
              side.=C2=A0 We<br>
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              jacked the car on that side so it leaned to the other side<br=
              <br>
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                <div dir=3D"auto">In trying to replace the distributor
                  after<br>
                  <br>
                  changing my intake manifold on the =E2=80=9865 289 in my
                  Tiger, I am<br>
                  <br>
                  struggling to get it to slide down over the oil pump
                  shaft,<br>
                  <br>
                  which seems to be leaning over.</div>
                <br>
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                <div dir=3D"auto">- tried jiggling the rotor</div>
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                <div dir=3D"auto">- tried turning the crank with a ratchet
                  while<br>
                  <br>
                  applying gentle pressure to the distributor, though I
                  was doing<br>
                  <br>
                  both</div>
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                  extension to put<br>
                  <br>
                  the oil pump shaft itself in different orientations</div>
                <br>
                <br>
                <div dir=3D"auto"><br>
                  <br>
                  <br>
                </div>
                <br>
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                <div dir=3D"auto">My next attempts will involve</div>
                <br>
                <br>
                <div dir=3D"auto">- having someone else push down while I
                  turn the<br>
                  <br>
                  crap with a ratchet</div>
                <br>
                <br>
                <div dir=3D"auto">- trying to pack some grease around the
                  shaft with<br>
                  <br>
                  a screwdriver prior to inserting the distributor to
                  keep the oil<br>
                  <br>
                  pump shaft more centered</div>
                <br>
                <br>
                <div dir=3D"auto"><br>
                  <br>
                  <br>
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                <br>
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                <div dir=3D"auto">Would welcome any suggestions,
                  solutions, or words<br>
                  <br>
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                <br>
                <br>
                <div dir=3D"auto"><br>
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                <br>
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Rick, a frustrating problem. (Been there and done that.)
I think you are getting pretty good advice on getting your dizzy installed.

Regarding your oil pan:
I recently took the pan off my 289 block to replace the pan seals with the
engine in the car. Not too many problems getting it off, (didn't have
to remove the starter).
Getting the thing back on the car with the pan seals in place was a
challenge. Getting the block half of the rear seal was tricky, as well as
keeping the halves in place on the pan while maneuvering it around all the
obstructions while laying on my back with everything almost at nose height.
I had the car on jacks that just barely gave me room to get it done. A lift
would have made it much easier. I finally put a small dollop of silicone on
the seals and let it dry, to hold them in place. It worked quite well then.
Also, follow the torque settings recommended for the pan bolts. Apparently
there is a tendency to tighten them too much, which distorts the pan flange
and leads to leaks. Mine had been over tightened by the previous "mechanic"
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:large">Ric=
k, a frustrating problem. (Been there and done that.)</div><div class=3D"gm=
ail_default" style=3D"font-size:large">I think you are getting pretty good =
advice on getting your dizzy installed.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" s=
tyle=3D"font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fo=
nt-size:large">Regarding your oil pan:</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" st=
yle=3D"font-size:large">I recently took the pan off my 289 block to replace=
 the pan seals with=C2=A0the engine in the car. Not too many problems getti=
ng it off, (didn&#39;t have to=C2=A0remove the starter).<br></div><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:large">Getting the thing back on the=
 car with the pan seals in place was a challenge. Getting the block half of=
 the rear seal was tricky, as well as keeping the halves in place=C2=A0on t=
he pan while maneuvering it around all the obstructions while laying=C2=A0o=
n my back with everything almost at nose height. I had the car on jacks tha=
t just barely gave me room to get it done. A lift would have made it much e=
asier. I finally put a small dollop=C2=A0of silicone on the seals and let i=
t dry, to hold them in place. It worked quite well then.</div><div class=3D=
"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:large">Also, follow the torque settings =
recommended for the pan bolts. Apparently there is a tendency to tighten th=
em too much, which distorts the pan flange and leads=C2=A0to leaks. Mine ha=
d been over tightened by the previous &quot;mechanic&quot; that had tighten=
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    Missing clip is bad, it can fall into the pan.<br>
    You can get the pan off in the car.. I think you might have to take
    out the starter and re-gasket it.<br>
    I would try more to to re-seat it or get the distributor back first.<br=
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I use pieces of thread threw the pan/gasket holes to hold the pan gasket 
in place. I just cut and pull them out as I install the bolts.

On 8/13/2020 7:51 AM, Dave Munroe via Tigers wrote:
> I recently took the pan off my 289 block to replace the pan seals 
> with the engine in the car. Not too many problems getting it off, 
> (didn't have to remove the starter).
> challenge. Getting the block half of the rear seal was tricky, as well 
> as keeping the halves in place on the pan while maneuvering it around 
> all the obstructions while laying on my back with everything almost at 
> nose height. I had the car on jacks that just barely gave me room to 
> get it done. A lift would have made it much easier. I finally put a 
> small dollop of silicone on the seals and let it dry, to hold them in 
> place. It worked quite well then.
> Also, follow the torque settings recommended for the pan bolts. 
> Apparently there is a tendency to tighten them too much, which 
> distorts the pan flange and leads to leaks. Mine had been over 
> tightened by the previous "mechanic" that had tightened them.
>
> Dave
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> On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 11:18 AM Gary <[email-masked] 
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>     You can get the pan off in the car.. I think you might have to
>     take out the starter and re-gasket it.
>     It should turn pretty easily when in the pump though, should be
>     some drag though.
>     drill on it an see if you can spin it
>     to get oil pressure.  Drill needs to be on reverse.  You'll get
>     more resistance at speed.
>     Gary
>
>
>
>>     - when I run a stiff hanger wire down the side of the shaft, I do
>>     not feel the retaining clip that should be present
>>     - There is no residue in the distributor shaft (i.e. does seem
>>     like the last person in there stuck the shaft into the
>>     distributor just to get it to seat)
>>     - I can get a socket on the oil pump shaft and spin it but there
>>     is zero resistance, not sure if that is normal?
>>
>>     I am a bit concerned that the shaft has come unseated from the
>>     oil pump at the bottom end given there does not appear to be any
>>     retaining clip & it leans over against the wall of the hole it is in.
>>
>>     Starting to wonder if I should drop the oil pan (which I believe
>>     I can do without removing the entire engine, appreciate any input
>>     on that) and do things properly.
>>
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    <p>I use pieces of thread threw the pan/gasket holes to hold the pan
      gasket in place. I just cut and pull them out as I install the
      bolts.<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/13/2020 7:51 AM, Dave Munroe via
      Tigers wrote:<br>
    </div>
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        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Rick, a
          frustrating problem. (Been there and done that.)</div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">I think you
          are getting pretty good advice on getting your dizzy
          installed.</div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Regarding
          your oil pan:</div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">I recently
          took the pan off my 289 block to replace the pan seals
          with the engine in the car. Not too many problems getting it
          off, (didn't have to remove the starter).<br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Getting the
          thing back on the car with the pan seals in place was a
          challenge. Getting the block half of the rear seal was tricky,
          as well as keeping the halves in place on the pan while
          maneuvering it around all the obstructions while laying on my
          back with everything almost at nose height. I had the car on
          jacks that just barely gave me room to get it done. A lift
          would have made it much easier. I finally put a small
          dollop of silicone on the seals and let it dry, to hold them
          in place. It worked quite well then.</div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Also, follow
          the torque settings recommended for the pan bolts. Apparently
          there is a tendency to tighten them too much, which distorts
          the pan flange and leads to leaks. Mine had been over
          tightened by the previous "mechanic" that had tightened them.<br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large"><br>
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        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Dave</div>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 11:18
          AM Gary &lt;<a href="mailto:[email-masked]"
            moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
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          <div> Missing clip is bad, it can fall into the pan.<br>
            You can get the pan off in the car.. I think you might have
            to take out the starter and re-gasket it.<br>
            I would try more to to re-seat it or get the distributor
            back first.<br>
            It should turn pretty easily when in the pump though, should
            be some drag though.<br>
            I have a special tool to spin it but a socket should work.. 
            put a drill on it an see if you can spin it<br>
            to get oil pressure.  Drill needs to be on reverse.  You'll
            get more resistance at speed.<br>
            Gary<br>
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            <div>On 8/13/2020 5:45 AM, R Flynn via Tigers wrote:<br>
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              <div>
                <div dir="auto">A bit more diagnostic information</div>
              </div>
              <div dir="auto">- when I run a stiff hanger wire down the
                side of the shaft, I do not feel the retaining clip that
                should be present</div>
              <div dir="auto">- Beveled edge does visually appear to be
                at the top</div>
              <div dir="auto">- There is no residue in the distributor
                shaft (i.e. does seem like the last person in there
                stuck the shaft into the distributor just to get it to
                seat)</div>
              <div dir="auto">- I can get a socket on the oil pump shaft
                and spin it but there is zero resistance, not sure if
                that is normal?</div>
              <div dir="auto"><br>
              </div>
              <div dir="auto">I am a bit concerned that the shaft has
                come unseated from the oil pump at the bottom end given
                there does not appear to be any retaining clip &amp; it
                leans over against the wall of the hole it is in.</div>
              <div dir="auto"><br>
              </div>
              <div dir="auto">Starting to wonder if I should drop the
                oil pan (which I believe I can do without removing the
                entire engine, appreciate any input on that) and do
                things properly.</div>
              <div><br>
                <div class="gmail_quote">
                  <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Aug 12, 2020
                    at 9:40 PM Gary &lt;<a
                      href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                      target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
                    wrote:<br>
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                    <br>
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                    <br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    <div><br>
                      <br>
                      Sometimes they are just difficult...<br>
                      <br>
                      <br>
                      IIRC, one time we could see the drive shaft was
                      off to one side.  We<br>
                      <br>
                      jacked the car on that side so it leaned to the
                      other side<br>
                      <br>
                      <br>
                      which made it more vertical...<br>
                      <br>
                      <br>
                      Good luck,<br>
                      <br>
                      <br>
                      Gary</div>
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                      <div>On 8/12/2020 4:47 PM, R Flynn via<br>
                        <br>
                        Tigers wrote:<br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                      </div>
                      <br>
                      <br>
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                        <br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        <div dir="auto">In trying to replace the
                          distributor after<br>
                          <br>
                          changing my intake manifold on the ‘65 289 in
                          my Tiger, I am<br>
                          <br>
                          struggling to get it to slide down over the
                          oil pump shaft,<br>
                          <br>
                          which seems to be leaning over.</div>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        <div dir="auto">- tried jiggling the rotor</div>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        <div dir="auto">- tried turning the crank with a
                          ratchet while<br>
                          <br>
                          applying gentle pressure to the distributor,
                          though I was doing<br>
                          <br>
                          both</div>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        <div dir="auto">- tried using a long socket
                          &amp; extension to put<br>
                          <br>
                          the oil pump shaft itself in different
                          orientations</div>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        <div dir="auto"><br>
                          <br>
                          <br>
                        </div>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        <div dir="auto">My next attempts will involve</div>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        <div dir="auto">- having someone else push down
                          while I turn the<br>
                          <br>
                          crap with a ratchet</div>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        <div dir="auto">- trying to pack some grease
                          around the shaft with<br>
                          <br>
                          a screwdriver prior to inserting the
                          distributor to keep the oil<br>
                          <br>
                          pump shaft more centered</div>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        <div dir="auto"><br>
                          <br>
                          <br>
                        </div>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        <div dir="auto">Would welcome any suggestions,
                          solutions, or words<br>
                          <br>
                          of wisdom.</div>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        <div dir="auto"><br>
                          <br>
                          <br>
                        </div>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        <div dir="auto">Cheers in advance,</div>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        <div dir="auto"><br>
                          <br>
                          <br>
                        </div>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        <div dir="auto">Rick</div>
                        <br>
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                        <div dir="auto"><br>
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                Installing the distributor is either quick and smooth or =
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The last time I installed my distributor it was a complete and total =
pain.

I walked away, calmed myself, cooled off and drank some water.

When I returned, much later, the distributor nearly dropped in, took =
less than 5 minutes.

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Anytime you are installing a distributor you should check all the =
fitment issues.

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Check that the oil pump drive shaft fits the distributor; I had one that =
did not fit the distributor correctly =E2=80=93 I had to polish the =
drive shaft some so it would fit the distributor.

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Right now you have questions and doubts about the system so you have to =
go to basics =E2=80=93  disassemble and find the clip wherever it is =
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I don=E2=80=99t know the procedure Ford and the Cleveland Foundry used =
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use any process that gets all the parts on the engine installed =
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- when I run a stiff hanger wire down the side of the shaft, I do not =
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- There is no residue in the distributor shaft (i.e. does seem like the =
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to seat)

- I can get a socket on the oil pump shaft and spin it but there is zero =
resistance, not sure if that is normal?

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it leans over against the wall of the hole it is in.

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Starting to wonder if I should drop the oil pan (which I believe I can =
do without removing the entire engine, appreciate any input on that) and =
do things properly.

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Good luck,

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quick and smooth or a total PITA.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>The last =
time I installed my distributor it was a complete and total =
pain.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I walked away, calmed myself, =
cooled off and drank some water.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>When =
I returned, much later, the distributor nearly dropped in, took less =
than 5 minutes.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Anytime you =
are installing a distributor you should check all the fitment =
issues.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Check that the oil pump drive shaft fits the =
distributor; I had one that did not fit the distributor correctly =
=E2=80=93 I had to polish the drive shaft some so it would fit the =
distributor.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Right now you have questions and doubts about the =
system so you have to go to basics =E2=80=93=C2=A0 disassemble and find =
the clip wherever it is located.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
don=E2=80=99t know the procedure Ford and the Cleveland Foundry used to =
install the distributor, drive shaft and oil pump but at this point use =
any process that gets all the parts on the engine installed =
correctly.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Ron =
Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Tigers =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>R Flynn via =
Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 13, 2020 8:45 AM<br><b>To:</b> =
undisclosed-recipients:<br><b>Cc:</b> R Flynn &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Distributor -&gt; =
Oil Pump Shaft<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>A =
bit more diagnostic information<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>- when I run a stiff hanger wire down the side of the =
shaft, I do not feel the retaining clip that should be =
present<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>- Beveled edge =
does visually appear to be at the top<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>- There is no residue in the distributor shaft (i.e. =
does seem like the last person in there stuck the shaft into the =
distributor just to get it to seat)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>- I can get a socket on the oil pump shaft and spin it =
but there is zero resistance, not sure if that is =
normal?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
am a bit concerned that the shaft has come unseated from the oil pump at =
the bottom end given there does not appear to be any retaining clip =
&amp; it leans over against the wall of the hole it is =
in.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Starting to wonder if I should drop the oil pan (which =
I believe I can do without removing the entire engine, appreciate any =
input on that) and do things properly.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 9:40 PM Gary &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
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difficult...<br><br><br>IIRC, one time we could see the drive shaft was =
off to one side.&nbsp; We<br><br>jacked the car on that side so it =
leaned to the other side<br><br><br>which made it more =
vertical...<br><br><br>Good =
luck,<br><br><br>Gary<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
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></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On =
8/12/2020 4:47 PM, R Flynn via<br><br>Tigers =
wrote:<br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><blockquot=
e style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>In trying to replace the distributor =
after<br><br>changing my intake manifold on the =E2=80=9865 289 in my =
Tiger, I am<br><br>struggling to get it to slide down over the oil pump =
shaft,<br><br>which seems to be leaning over.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>- tried jiggling the rotor<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>- tried turning the crank with a ratchet =
while<br><br>applying gentle pressure to the distributor, though I was =
doing<br><br>both<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>- tried using a long socket &amp; extension to =
put<br><br>the oil pump shaft itself in different =
orientations<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>My next attempts will involve<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>- having someone else push down while I turn =
the<br><br>crap with a ratchet<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>- trying to pack some grease around the shaft =
with<br><br>a screwdriver prior to inserting the distributor to keep the =
oil<br><br>pump shaft more centered<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Would welcome any suggestions, solutions, or =
words<br><br>of wisdom.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Cheers in advance,<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Rick<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br>-- =
<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>rick<br><br><br>B9471206: <a =
href=3D"http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/flynn_r/default.asp" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/flynn_r/default.as=
p</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br><br><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></b=
lockquote></div><div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre =
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style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
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style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br><br><br>__________________________=
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 class=3DMsoNormal>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>rick<br>B9471206: <a =
href=3D"http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/flynn_r/default.asp" =
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 18:12:04 +0000 (UTC)

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 I like to put some grease in the drive hole of distributor shaft and aroun=
d the boss on the housing, in case I have to remove it a couple of times to=
 get the timing just right, since the shaft spins when engaging the cam gea=
r.
My 2 cents,
Gary
    On Thursday, August 13, 2020, 11:56:11 AM MDT, Ron Fraser via Tigers <t=
[email-masked]> wrote: =20
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Rick

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=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Installing the distributor is either quick and smooth or a =
total PITA.

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The last time I installed my distributor it was a complete and total pain.

When I returned, much later, the distributor nearly dropped in, took less t=
han 5 minutes.

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Anytime you are installing a distributor you should check all the fitment i=
ssues.

 =C2=A0

Check that the oil pump drive shaft fits the distributor; I had one that di=
d not fit the distributor correctly =E2=80=93 I had to polish the drive sha=
ft some so it would fit the distributor.

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Right now you have questions and doubts about the system so you have to go =
to basics =E2=80=93=C2=A0 disassemble and find the clip wherever it is loca=
ted.

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I don=E2=80=99t know the procedure Ford and the Cleveland Foundry used to i=
nstall the distributor, drive shaft and oil pump but at this point use any =
process that gets all the parts on the engine installed correctly.

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Ron Fraser

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From: Tigers <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of R Flynn via Tiger=
s

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- when I run a stiff hanger wire down the side of the shaft, I do not feel =
the retaining clip that should be present

- There is no residue in the distributor shaft (i.e. does seem like the las=
t person in there stuck the shaft into the distributor just to get it to se=
at)

- I can get a socket on the oil pump shaft and spin it but there is zero re=
sistance, not sure if that is normal?

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I am a bit concerned that the shaft has come unseated from the oil pump at =
the bottom end given there does not appear to be any retaining clip & it le=
ans over against the wall of the hole it is in.

 =C2=A0

Starting to wonder if I should drop the oil pan (which I believe I can do w=
ithout removing the entire engine, appreciate any input on that) and do thi=
ngs properly.

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IIRC, one time we could see the drive shaft was off to one side.=C2=A0 We

Good luck,

Gary

Tigers wrote:

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both

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crap with a ratchet

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pump shaft more centered

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of wisdom.

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Cheers in advance,

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Rick

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<html><head></head><body><div class=3D"ydp70491f45yahoo-style-wrap" style=
=3D"font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 1=
6px;"><div style=3D"font-size: 16px;"></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false" style=3D""><font size=3D"2">=
I like to put some grease in the drive hole of distributor shaft and around=
 the boss on the housing, in case I have to remove it a couple of times to =
get the timing just right, since the shaft spins when engaging the cam gear=
.</font></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false" style=3D""><font size=
=3D"2"><br></font></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false" style=3D""><=
font size=3D"2">My 2 cents,</font></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"fal=
se" style=3D""><font size=3D"2"><br></font></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setd=
ir=3D"false" style=3D""><font size=3D"2">Gary</font></div><div style=3D"fon=
t-size: 16px;"><br></div>
       =20
        </div><div id=3D"ydp81879cadyahoo_quoted_7994504338" class=3D"ydp81=
879cadyahoo_quoted">
            <div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, s=
ans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;">
               =20
                <div>
                    On Thursday, August 13, 2020, 11:56:11 AM MDT, Ron Fras=
er via Tigers &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
                </div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><div id=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469"><div><div class=
=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469WordSection1"><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786=
469MsoNormal">Rick</p><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal">&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp; Installing the distributor is either quick and smooth or a total =
PITA.</p><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=
=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal">The last time I installed my distrib=
utor it was a complete and total pain.</p><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786=
469MsoNormal">I walked away, calmed myself, cooled off and drank some water=
.</p><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal">When I returned, much l=
ater, the distributor nearly dropped in, took less than 5 minutes.</p><p cl=
ass=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydp81879ca=
dyiv8274786469MsoNormal">Anytime you are installing a distributor you shoul=
d check all the fitment issues.</p><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoN=
ormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal">Check that=
 the oil pump drive shaft fits the distributor; I had one that did not fit =
the distributor correctly =E2=80=93 I had to polish the drive shaft some so=
 it would fit the distributor.</p><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNo=
rmal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal">Right now y=
ou have questions and doubts about the system so you have to go to basics =
=E2=80=93&nbsp; disassemble and find the clip wherever it is located.</p><p=
 class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydp8187=
9cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal">I don=E2=80=99t know the procedure Ford and the=
 Cleveland Foundry used to install the distributor, drive shaft and oil pum=
p but at this point use any process that gets all the parts on the engine i=
nstalled correctly.</p><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal"> &nbs=
p;</p><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D=
"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal">Ron Fraser</p><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyi=
v8274786469MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNor=
mal"><b>From:</b> Tigers &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf=
 Of </b>R Flynn via Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 13, 2020 8:45 A=
M<br><b>To:</b> undisclosed-recipients:<br><b>Cc:</b> R Flynn &lt;flynnr2@g=
mail.com&gt;; [email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Distrib=
utor -&gt; Oil Pump Shaft</p><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal"=
> &nbsp;</p><div><div><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal">A bit =
more diagnostic information</p></div></div><div><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8=
274786469MsoNormal">- when I run a stiff hanger wire down the side of the s=
haft, I do not feel the retaining clip that should be present</p></div><div=
><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal">- Beveled edge does visuall=
y appear to be at the top</p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv827478646=
9MsoNormal">- There is no residue in the distributor shaft (i.e. does seem =
like the last person in there stuck the shaft into the distributor just to =
get it to seat)</p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal=
">- I can get a socket on the oil pump shaft and spin it but there is zero =
resistance, not sure if that is normal?</p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp81879c=
adyiv8274786469MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8=
274786469MsoNormal">I am a bit concerned that the shaft has come unseated f=
rom the oil pump at the bottom end given there does not appear to be any re=
taining clip &amp; it leans over against the wall of the hole it is in.</p>=
</div><div><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p></div>=
<div><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal">Starting to wonder if I=
 should drop the oil pan (which I believe I can do without removing the ent=
ire engine, appreciate any input on that) and do things properly.</p></div>=
<div><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><div><div><p=
 class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal">On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 9:40 P=
M Gary &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" targ=
et=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</p></div><blockquote s=
tyle=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0=
pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt;=
"><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.=
0pt;"><br><br><br><br><br><br><br></p><div><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv827478=
6469MsoNormal"><br><br>Sometimes they are just difficult...<br><br><br>IIRC=
, one time we could see the drive shaft was off to one side.&nbsp; We<br><b=
r>jacked the car on that side so it leaned to the other side<br><br><br>whi=
ch made it more vertical...<br><br><br>Good luck,<br><br><br>Gary</p></div>=
<div><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:=
12.0pt;"><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br></p><div><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyi=
v8274786469MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;">On 8/12/2020 4:47 PM,=
 R Flynn via<br><br>Tigers wrote:<br><br></p></div><p class=3D"ydp81879cady=
iv8274786469MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"> &nbsp;</p></div><di=
v><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><p class=3D"y=
dp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><br><br><=
br></p><div><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal">In trying to rep=
lace the distributor after<br><br>changing my intake manifold on the =E2=80=
=9865 289 in my Tiger, I am<br><br>struggling to get it to slide down over =
the oil pump shaft,<br><br>which seems to be leaning over.</p></div><p clas=
s=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"> &n=
bsp;</p><div><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal">- tried jigglin=
g the rotor</p></div><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal" style=
=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"> &nbsp;</p><div><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv827478=
6469MsoNormal">- tried turning the crank with a ratchet while<br><br>applyi=
ng gentle pressure to the distributor, though I was doing<br><br>both</p></=
div><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:1=
2.0pt;"> &nbsp;</p><div><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal">- tr=
ied using a long socket &amp; extension to put<br><br>the oil pump shaft it=
self in different orientations</p></div><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv827478646=
9MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"> &nbsp;</p><div><p class=3D"ydp=
81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><br><br></p=
></div><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-botto=
m:12.0pt;"> &nbsp;</p><div><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal">M=
y next attempts will involve</p></div><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469M=
soNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"> &nbsp;</p><div><p class=3D"ydp81=
879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal">- having someone else push down while I turn =
the<br><br>crap with a ratchet</p></div><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv827478646=
9MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"> &nbsp;</p><div><p class=3D"ydp=
81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal">- trying to pack some grease around the sha=
ft with<br><br>a screwdriver prior to inserting the distributor to keep the=
 oil<br><br>pump shaft more centered</p></div><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv827=
4786469MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"> &nbsp;</p><div><p class=
=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><br>=
<br></p></div><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal" style=3D"margi=
n-bottom:12.0pt;"> &nbsp;</p><div><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNo=
rmal">Would welcome any suggestions, solutions, or words<br><br>of wisdom.<=
/p></div><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bot=
tom:12.0pt;"> &nbsp;</p><div><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal"=
 style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><br><br></p></div><p class=3D"ydp81879cady=
iv8274786469MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"> &nbsp;</p><div><p c=
lass=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal">Cheers in advance,</p></div><p c=
lass=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;">=
 &nbsp;</p><div><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal" style=3D"mar=
gin-bottom:12.0pt;"><br><br></p></div><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv8274786469M=
soNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"> &nbsp;</p><div><p class=3D"ydp81=
879cadyiv8274786469MsoNormal">Rick</p></div><p class=3D"ydp81879cadyiv82747=
86469MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"> &nbsp;</p><div><p class=3D=
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Sounds like good advice! But when the socket comes off  of the extension =
and falls down into the pan, gonna have to remove it anyway. Or if you =
use a priming tool, yeah even better, wont it fall down the =
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From: Tigers [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Gary
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Subject: Re: [Tigers] Distributor -> Oil Pump Shaft

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Missing clip is bad, it can fall into the pan.
You can get the pan off in the car.. I think you might have to take out =
the starter and re-gasket it.
I would try more to to re-seat it or get the distributor back first.
It should turn pretty easily when in the pump though, should be some =
drag though.
I have a special tool to spin it but a socket should work..  put a drill =
on it an see if you can spin it
to get oil pressure.  Drill needs to be on reverse.  You'll get more =
resistance at speed.
Gary

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>Sounds like good advice! But when the socket comes off =C2=A0of the =
extension and falls down into the pan, gonna have to remove it anyway. =
Or if you use a priming tool, yeah even better, wont it fall down the =
hole=E2=80=A6 =C2=A0<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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>Again, good advice!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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Tigers [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Gary<br><b>Sent:</b> 13 August 2020 07:18<br><b>To:</b> =
[email-masked]<br><b>Cc:</b> =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Distributor -&gt; =
Oil Pump Shaft<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Missing clip is bad, it can fall into the =
pan.<br>You can get the pan off in the car.. I think you might have to =
take out the starter and re-gasket it.<br>I would try more to to re-seat =
it or get the distributor back first.<br>It should turn pretty easily =
when in the pump though, should be some drag though.<br>I have a special =
tool to spin it but a socket should work..&nbsp; put a drill on it an =
see if you can spin it<br>to get oil pressure.&nbsp; Drill needs to be =
on reverse.&nbsp; You'll get more resistance at =
speed.<br>Gary<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
8/13/2020 5:45 AM, R Flynn via Tigers =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>A bit more diagnostic =
information<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>- when I =
run a stiff hanger wire down the side of the shaft, I do not feel the =
retaining clip that should be present<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>- Beveled edge does visually appear to be at the =
top<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>- There is no residue =
in the distributor shaft (i.e. does seem like the last person in there =
stuck the shaft into the distributor just to get it to =
seat)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>- I can get a socket =
on the oil pump shaft and spin it but there is zero resistance, not sure =
if that is normal?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
am a bit concerned that the shaft has come unseated from the oil pump at =
the bottom end given there does not appear to be any retaining clip =
&amp; it leans over against the wall of the hole it is =
in.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Starting to wonder if I should drop the oil pan (which =
I believe I can do without removing the entire engine, appreciate any =
input on that) and do things properly.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 9:40 PM Gary &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p=
8/12/2020 4:47 PM, R Flynn via<br><br>Tigers =
wrote:<br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><blockquot=
e style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>In trying to replace the distributor =
after<br><br>changing my intake manifold on the =E2=80=9865 289 in my =
Tiger, I am<br><br>struggling to get it to slide down over the oil pump =
shaft,<br><br>which seems to be leaning over.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>- tried jiggling the rotor<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>- tried turning the crank with a ratchet =
while<br><br>applying gentle pressure to the distributor, though I was =
doing<br><br>both<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>- tried using a long socket &amp; extension to =
put<br><br>the oil pump shaft itself in different =
orientations<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>My next attempts will involve<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>- having someone else push down while I turn =
the<br><br>crap with a ratchet<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>- trying to pack some grease around the shaft =
with<br><br>a screwdriver prior to inserting the distributor to keep the =
oil<br><br>pump shaft more centered<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Would welcome any suggestions, solutions, or =
words<br><br>of wisdom.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Cheers in advance,<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
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From: D or G at sbc via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 14:47:29 +0000 (UTC)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1yo0K4xIHA&feature=emb_logo

This might help. If it does fall into the pan, happened to me 20 years ago, I just left it there and bought another shaft.

David Franchi

On Thursday, August 13, 2020, 7:40:48 AM PDT, Stu via Tigers <[email-masked]> wrote: 

Make sure you DO NOT use a magnetic socket to turn the shaft.  If it's not unseated already, that could pull it out.

Stu

On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 10:18 AM Gary <[email-masked]> wrote:
> You can get the pan off in the car.. I think you might have to take out the starter and re-gasket it.
> It should turn pretty easily when in the pump though, should be some drag though.
> I have a special tool to spin it but a socket should work..  put a drill on it an see if you can spin it
> to get oil pressure.  Drill needs to be on reverse.  You'll get more resistance at speed.
> Gary
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> - when I run a stiff hanger wire down the side of the shaft, I do not feel the retaining clip that should be present
>> 
>> - There is no residue in the distributor shaft (i.e. does seem like the last person in there stuck the shaft into the distributor just to get it to seat)
>> 
>> - I can get a socket on the oil pump shaft and spin it but there is zero resistance, not sure if that is normal?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I am a bit concerned that the shaft has come unseated from the oil pump at the bottom end given there does not appear to be any retaining clip & it leans over against the wall of the hole it is in.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Starting to wonder if I should drop the oil pan (which I believe I can do without removing the entire engine, appreciate any input on that) and do things properly.
>> 
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From: steve wick via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 04:20:13 +0000

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The missing retaining clip, and the drive shaft leaning to the side, presen=
ts a challenge, but under normal circumstances, what I use for adjusting th=
e oil pump drive shaft position is an old distributor with the cam gear rem=
oved from the distributor shaft. Nothing to fall off the end, relatively ch=
eap from a wrecking yard, and I can align the pump drive shaft so the distr=
ibutor rotor points to #1 cylinder.

Steve

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From: Tigers <[email-masked]> on behalf of Larry Mayfield vi=
a Tigers <[email-masked]>
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 1:43 PM
To: 'Gary' <[email-masked]>; [email-masked] <[email-masked].=
edu>
Cc: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Distributor -> Oil Pump Shaft

Sounds like good advice! But when the socket comes off  of the extension an=
d falls down into the pan, gonna have to remove it anyway. Or if you use a =
priming tool, yeah even better, wont it fall down the hole=85

Again, good advice!

mayf

Missing clip is bad, it can fall into the pan.
You can get the pan off in the car.. I think you might have to take out the=
 starter and re-gasket it.
I would try more to to re-seat it or get the distributor back first.
It should turn pretty easily when in the pump though, should be some drag t=
hough.
I have a special tool to spin it but a socket should work..  put a drill on=
 it an see if you can spin it
to get oil pressure.  Drill needs to be on reverse.  You'll get more resist=
ance at speed.
Gary

[email-masked]>> wrote:

Good luck,

Gary

Tigers wrote:

changing my intake manifold on the =9165 289 in my Tiger, I am

both

crap with a ratchet

pump shaft more centered

of wisdom.

Cheers in advance,

Rick

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The missing retaining clip, and the drive shaft leaning to the side, presen=
ts a challenge, but under normal circumstances, what I use for adjusting th=
e oil pump drive shaft position is an old distributor with the cam gear rem=
oved from the distributor shaft.
 Nothing to fall off the end, relatively cheap from a wrecking yard, and I =
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<span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif=
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sp;of the extension and falls down into the pan, gonna have to remove it an=
yway. Or if you use a priming tool, yeah even better,
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<span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif=
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Gary<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 13 August 2020 07:18<br>
<b>To:</b> [email-masked]<br>
<b>Cc:</b> [email-masked]<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Distributor -&gt; Oil Pump Shaft</span></p>
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Missing clip is bad, it can fall into the pan.<br>
You can get the pan off in the car.. I think you might have to take out the=
 starter and re-gasket it.<br>
I would try more to to re-seat it or get the distributor back first.<br>
It should turn pretty easily when in the pump though, should be some drag t=
hough.<br>
I have a special tool to spin it but a socket should work..&nbsp; put a dri=
ll on it an see if you can spin it<br>
to get oil pressure.&nbsp; Drill needs to be on reverse.&nbsp; You'll get m=
ore resistance at speed.<br>
Gary<br>
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On 8/13/2020 5:45 AM, R Flynn via Tigers wrote:</p>
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A bit more diagnostic information</p>
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- when I run a stiff hanger wire down the side of the shaft, I do not feel =
the retaining clip that should be present</p>
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- There is no residue in the distributor shaft (i.e. does seem like the las=
t person in there stuck the shaft into the distributor just to get it to se=
at)</p>
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- I can get a socket on the oil pump shaft and spin it but there is zero re=
sistance, not sure if that is normal?</p>
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I am a bit concerned that the shaft has come unseated from the oil pump at =
the bottom end given there does not appear to be any retaining clip &amp; i=
t leans over against the wall of the hole it is in.</p>
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Starting to wonder if I should drop the oil pan (which I believe I can do w=
ithout removing the entire engine, appreciate any input on that) and do thi=
ngs properly.</p>
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On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 9:40 PM Gary &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:garywinblad@comc=
ast.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</p>
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Sometimes they are just difficult...<br>
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<br>
IIRC, one time we could see the drive shaft was off to one side.&nbsp; We<b=
r>
<br>
jacked the car on that side so it leaned to the other side<br>
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<br>
which made it more vertical...<br>
<br>
<br>
Good luck,<br>
<br>
<br>
Gary</p>
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On 8/12/2020 4:47 PM, R Flynn via<br>
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Tigers wrote:<br>
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In trying to replace the distributor after<br>
<br>
changing my intake manifold on the =9165 289 in my Tiger, I am<br>
<br>
struggling to get it to slide down over the oil pump shaft,<br>
<br>
which seems to be leaning over.</p>
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- tried jiggling the rotor</p>
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- tried turning the crank with a ratchet while<br>
<br>
applying gentle pressure to the distributor, though I was doing<br>
<br>
both</p>
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- tried using a long socket &amp; extension to put<br>
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the oil pump shaft itself in different orientations</p>
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My next attempts will involve</p>
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- having someone else push down while I turn the<br>
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crap with a ratchet</p>
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- trying to pack some grease around the shaft with<br>
<br>
a screwdriver prior to inserting the distributor to keep the oil<br>
<br>
pump shaft more centered</p>
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Would welcome any suggestions, solutions, or words<br>
<br>
of wisdom.</p>
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Cheers in advance,</p>
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Rick</p>
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rick<br>
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B9471206: <a href=3D"http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/flynn_r/default.a=
sp" target=3D"_blank" fg_scanned=3D"1">
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To turn the shaft, I used a screwdriver type nut driver, one piece, non
magnetic.  1/4'' , IIRC.

Stu

On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 11:23 AM steve wick via Tigers <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> The missing retaining clip, and the drive shaft leaning to the side,
> presents a challenge, but under normal circumstances, what I use for
> adjusting the oil pump drive shaft position is an old distributor with th=
e
> cam gear removed from the distributor shaft. Nothing to fall off the end,
> relatively cheap from a wrecking yard, and I can align the pump drive sha=
ft
> so the distributor rotor points to #1 cylinder.
>
> Steve
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Tigers <[email-masked]> on behalf of Larry
> Mayfield via Tigers <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 13, 2020 1:43 PM
> *To:* 'Gary' <[email-masked]>; [email-masked] <
> [email-masked]>
> *Cc:* [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Distributor -> Oil Pump Shaft
>
>
> Sounds like good advice! But when the socket comes off  of the extension
> and falls down into the pan, gonna have to remove it anyway. Or if you us=
e
> a priming tool, yeah even better, wont it fall down the hole=E2=80=A6
>
>
>
> Again, good advice!
>
>
>
> mayf
>
>
>
> *From:* Tigers [mailto:[email-masked]] *On Behalf Of *Gary
> *Sent:* 13 August 2020 07:18
> *To:* [email-masked]
> *Cc:* [email-masked]
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Distributor -> Oil Pump Shaft
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">To =
turn the shaft, I used a screwdriver type nut driver, one piece, non magnet=
ic.=C2=A0 1/4&#39;&#39; , IIRC.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"=
font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:=
small">Stu</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 11:23 AM steve wick via Tigers &lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrot=
e:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0=
.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">

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<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
The missing retaining clip, and the drive shaft leaning to the side, presen=
ts a challenge, but under normal circumstances, what I use for adjusting th=
e oil pump drive shaft position is an old distributor with the cam gear rem=
oved from the distributor shaft.
 Nothing to fall off the end, relatively cheap from a wrecking yard, and I =
can align the pump drive shaft so the distributor rotor points to #1 cylind=
er.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
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:rgb(0,0,0)">
Steve</div>
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<div id=3D"gmail-m_238955392473409900divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font face=
=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" color=3D"#000000" style=3D"font-size:11pt"><b>From=
:</b> Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D=
"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; on behalf of Larry Mayfield =
via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">t=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 13, 2020 1:43 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> &#39;Gary&#39; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; <a href=3D"mailto:rflynn@a=
lum.rpi.edu" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">tiger=
[email-masked]</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D=
"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Distributor -&gt; Oil Pump Shaft</font>
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New Roman&quot;,serif">
<span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,7=
3,125)">Sounds like good advice! But when the socket comes off =C2=A0of the=
 extension and falls down into the pan, gonna have to remove it anyway. Or =
if you use a priming tool, yeah even better,
 wont it fall down the hole=E2=80=A6 =C2=A0</span></p>
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New Roman&quot;,serif">
<span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,7=
3,125)">=C2=A0</span></p>
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New Roman&quot;,serif">
<span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,7=
3,125)">Again, good advice!</span></p>
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New Roman&quot;,serif">
<span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,7=
3,125)">=C2=A0</span></p>
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New Roman&quot;,serif">
<span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,7=
3,125)">mayf</span></p>
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New Roman&quot;,serif">
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<b><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</spa=
n></b><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> Tigers=
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Gary<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 13 August 2020 07:18<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">rflynn@=
alum.rpi.edu</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">tiger=
[email-masked]</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Distributor -&gt; Oil Pump Shaft</span></p>
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=C2=A0</p>
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Roman&quot;,serif">
Missing clip is bad, it can fall into the pan.<br>
You can get the pan off in the car.. I think you might have to take out the=
 starter and re-gasket it.<br>
I would try more to to re-seat it or get the distributor back first.<br>
It should turn pretty easily when in the pump though, should be some drag t=
hough.<br>
I have a special tool to spin it but a socket should work..=C2=A0 put a dri=
ll on it an see if you can spin it<br>
to get oil pressure.=C2=A0 Drill needs to be on reverse.=C2=A0 You&#39;ll g=
et more resistance at speed.<br>
Gary<br>
<br>
<br>
</p>
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On 8/13/2020 5:45 AM, R Flynn via Tigers wrote:</p>
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A bit more diagnostic information</p>
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New Roman&quot;,serif">
- when I run a stiff hanger wire down the side of the shaft, I do not feel =
the retaining clip that should be present</p>
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New Roman&quot;,serif">
- Beveled edge does visually appear to be at the top</p>
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<p style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Times =
New Roman&quot;,serif">
- There is no residue in the distributor shaft (i.e. does seem like the las=
t person in there stuck the shaft into the distributor just to get it to se=
at)</p>
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<p style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Times =
New Roman&quot;,serif">
- I can get a socket on the oil pump shaft and spin it but there is zero re=
sistance, not sure if that is normal?</p>
</div>
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<p style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Times =
New Roman&quot;,serif">
=C2=A0</p>
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<p style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Times =
New Roman&quot;,serif">
I am a bit concerned that the shaft has come unseated from the oil pump at =
the bottom end given there does not appear to be any retaining clip &amp; i=
t leans over against the wall of the hole it is in.</p>
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<p style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Times =
New Roman&quot;,serif">
=C2=A0</p>
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New Roman&quot;,serif">
Starting to wonder if I should drop the oil pan (which I believe I can do w=
ithout removing the entire engine, appreciate any input on that) and do thi=
ngs properly.</p>
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New Roman&quot;,serif">
=C2=A0</p>
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New Roman&quot;,serif">
On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 9:40 PM Gary &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:garywinblad@comc=
ast.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</p>
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order-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin-left:4=
.8pt;margin-right:0cm">
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Roman&quot;,serif">
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<br>
<br>
Sometimes they are just difficult...<br>
<br>
<br>
IIRC, one time we could see the drive shaft was off to one side.=C2=A0 We<b=
r>
<br>
jacked the car on that side so it leaned to the other side<br>
<br>
<br>
which made it more vertical...<br>
<br>
<br>
Good luck,<br>
<br>
<br>
Gary</p>
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Roman&quot;,serif">
On 8/12/2020 4:47 PM, R Flynn via<br>
<br>
Tigers wrote:<br>
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=C2=A0</p>
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New Roman&quot;,serif">
In trying to replace the distributor after<br>
<br>
changing my intake manifold on the =E2=80=9865 289 in my Tiger, I am<br>
<br>
struggling to get it to slide down over the oil pump shaft,<br>
<br>
which seems to be leaning over.</p>
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Roman&quot;,serif">
=C2=A0</p>
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- tried jiggling the rotor</p>
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Roman&quot;,serif">
=C2=A0</p>
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- tried turning the crank with a ratchet while<br>
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applying gentle pressure to the distributor, though I was doing<br>
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both</p>
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- tried using a long socket &amp; extension to put<br>
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the oil pump shaft itself in different orientations</p>
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My next attempts will involve</p>
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- having someone else push down while I turn the<br>
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crap with a ratchet</p>
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- trying to pack some grease around the shaft with<br>
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a screwdriver prior to inserting the distributor to keep the oil<br>
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pump shaft more centered</p>
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Would welcome any suggestions, solutions, or words<br>
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of wisdom.</p>
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Rick</p>
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