Subject: Re: [Tigers] Suspension issues(maybe)

From: Tom Witt via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2020 18:19:00 -0700

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Raising the rear of a Tiger 3" is significant! It likely shifted 
significant weight on the front wheels. And if that was the case the 
static alignment is now based on the changes that weight made. Whenever 
something changes..., go back and look at the changes made even if 
elsewhere. I swapped an EAO 2.0 for a Lima 2.3 with turbo in my Pinto 
and the weight difference produced similar results. But in my case I was 
expecting a difference.  Why 3" in the rear?

On 6/12/2020 5:38 PM, Lance Beauchamp wrote:
> During the winter months I had the rear springs rearced  it raised the 
> Tigef about 3inches and installed some new KGB shocks in rear. Went 
> for a very short ride because of time restrictions and found the car 
> mushy in front, It felt so different I would describe it as loose in 
> front, better check the shocks in front also, they are only Aaaa 25 
> years old. Could be 35.  But really any other ideas. Beau
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    <p>Raising the rear of a Tiger 3" is significant! It likely shifted
      significant weight on the front wheels. And if that was the case
      the static alignment is now based on the changes that weight made.
      Whenever something changes..., go back and look at the changes
      made even if elsewhere. I swapped an EAO 2.0 for a Lima 2.3 with
      turbo in my Pinto and the weight difference produced similar
      results. But in my case I was expecting a difference.  Why 3" in
      the rear?<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/12/2020 5:38 PM, Lance Beauchamp
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      <div dir="auto">During the winter months I had the rear springs
        rearced  it raised the Tigef about 3inches and installed some
        new KGB shocks in rear. Went for a very short ride because of
        time restrictions and found the car mushy in front, It felt so 
        different I would describe it as loose in front, better check
        the shocks in front also, they are only Aaaa 25 years old. Could
        be 35.  But really any other ideas. Beau</div>
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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2020 21:31:04 -0400

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I=E2=80=99ll be willing to bet your A-arm bushings are shot. I used the Sup=
er Pro
urethane bushings on my last rebuild and it really tightened up the front
end.
Bugz

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> Tigef about 3inches and installed some new KGB shocks in rear. Went for a
> very short ride because of time restrictions and found the car mushy in
> front, It felt so  different I would describe it as loose in front, bette=
r
> check the shocks in front also, they are only Aaaa 25 years old. Could be
> 35.  But really any other ideas. Beau
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<div>I=E2=80=99ll be willing to bet your A-arm bushings are shot. I used th=
e Super Pro urethane bushings on my last rebuild and it really tightened up=
 the front end.=C2=A0<br></div><div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><div di=
r=3D"auto">Bugz</div></div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"=
ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 9:11 PM Lance Beauchamp &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">blance598@gmail=
.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding=
-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir=3D"auto">During the =
winter months I had the rear springs rearced=C2=A0 it raised the Tigef abou=
t 3inches and installed some new KGB shocks in rear. Went for a very short =
ride because of time restrictions and found the car mushy in front, It felt=
 so=C2=A0 different I would describe it as loose in front, better check the=
 shocks in front also, they are only Aaaa 25 years old. Could be 35.=C2=A0 =
But really any other ideas. Beau</div>
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Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2020 20:08:21 -0700

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Had the same thing happen on my Alpine.  It was like the rubber in the
bushing just disappeared!

I will warn though that if you have the same thing, and the A arm is
shifting around in there, it might make the Ackermann angle issue worse,
and make it that much more likely that you can break your A arm mounts -
especially going backwards.  Or heck, maybe it makes it better!  But either
way, I'd be super careful.

On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 7:41 PM Mark Rense <[email-masked]> wrote:

> I=E2=80=99ll be willing to bet your A-arm bushings are shot. I used the S=
uper Pro
> On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 9:11 PM Lance Beauchamp <[email-masked]>
> wrote:
>
>> Tigef about 3inches and installed some new KGB shocks in rear. Went for =
a
>> front, It felt so  different I would describe it as loose in front, bett=
er
>> check the shocks in front also, they are only Aaaa 25 years old. Could b=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Had the same thing happen on my Alpine.=C2=A0 It was like =
the rubber in the bushing just disappeared!<div><br></div><div>I will warn =
though that if you have the same thing, and the A arm is shifting around=C2=
=A0in there, it might make the Ackermann angle issue worse, and make it tha=
t much more likely that you=C2=A0can break your A arm mounts - especially=
=C2=A0going backwards.=C2=A0 Or heck, maybe it makes it better!=C2=A0 But e=
ither way, I&#39;d be super careful.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 7:41 PM M=
ark Rense &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a=
>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px=
 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><di=
v>I=E2=80=99ll be willing to bet your A-arm bushings are shot. I used the S=
uper Pro urethane bushings on my last rebuild and it really tightened up th=
e front end.=C2=A0<br></div><div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><div dir=
=3D"auto">Bugz</div></div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"l=
tr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 9:11 PM Lance Beauchamp &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">blance598@gmail.=
com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"marg=
in:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1e=
x"><div dir=3D"auto">During the winter months I had the rear springs rearce=
d=C2=A0 it raised the Tigef about 3inches and installed some new KGB shocks=
 in rear. Went for a very short ride because of time restrictions and found=
 the car mushy in front, It felt so=C2=A0 different I would describe it as =
loose in front, better check the shocks in front also, they are only Aaaa 2=
5 years old. Could be 35.=C2=A0 But really any other ideas. Beau</div>
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3 inches up in the back over the 86 inch wheelbase will decrease your caste=
r by .67 degrees.  Losing caster can make the car wander and not track stri=
aight.

> On June 12, 2020 at 11:08 PM Jay Laifman <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
>     Had the same thing happen on my Alpine.  It was like the rubber in th=
e bushing just disappeared!
>=20
>     I will warn though that if you have the same thing, and the A arm is =
shifting around in there, it might make the Ackermann angle issue worse, an=
d make it that much more likely that you can break your A arm mounts - espe=
cially going backwards.  Or heck, maybe it makes it better!  But either way=
, I'd be super careful.
>=20
>     On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 7:41 PM Mark Rense < [email-masked] mail=
to:[email-masked] > wrote:
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>         > >         I=E2=80=99ll be willing to bet your A-arm bushings ar=
e shot. I used the Super Pro urethane bushings on my last rebuild and it re=
ally tightened up the front end.=20
> >         Bugz
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> >         On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 9:11 PM Lance Beauchamp < blance598@gma=
il.com mailto:[email-masked] > wrote:
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prings rearced  it raised the Tigef about 3inches and installed some new KG=
B shocks in rear. Went for a very short ride because of time restrictions a=
nd found the car mushy in front, It felt so  different I would describe it =
as loose in front, better check the shocks in front also, they are only Aaa=
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</head><body><p>3 inches up in the back over the 86 inch wheelbase will dec=
rease your caster by .67 degrees.&#160; Losing caster can make the car wand=
er and not track striaight.</p><blockquote type=3D"cite">On June 12, 2020 a=
t 11:08 PM Jay Laifman &#60;[email-masked]&#62; wrote: <br> <br><div=
 dir=3D"ltr">Had the same thing happen on my Alpine.&#160; It was like the =
rubber in the bushing just disappeared!<div><br></div><div>I will warn thou=
gh that if you have the same thing, and the A arm is shifting around&#160;i=
n there, it might make the Ackermann angle issue worse, and make it that mu=
ch more likely that you&#160;can break your A arm mounts - especially&#160;=
going backwards.&#160; Or heck, maybe it makes it better!&#160; But either =
way, I&#39;d be super careful.</div></div><br><div class=3D"ox-5caaf47b97-g=
mail_quote"><div class=3D"ox-5caaf47b97-gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Fri, Jun=
 12, 2020 at 7:41 PM Mark Rense &#60; <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
">[email-masked]</a>&#62; wrote: <br></div><blockquote><div>I&#8217;ll=
 be willing to bet your A-arm bushings are shot. I used the Super Pro ureth=
ane bushings on my last rebuild and it really tightened up the front end.&#=
160; <br></div><div><div class=3D"ox-5caaf47b97-gmail_quote"><div><div dir=
=3D"auto">Bugz</div></div><div><br><div class=3D"ox-5caaf47b97-gmail_quote"=
><div class=3D"ox-5caaf47b97-gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 a=
t 9:11 PM Lance Beauchamp &#60; <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targ=
et=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noopener">[email-masked]</a>&#62; wrote: <br></di=
v><blockquote><div dir=3D"auto">During the winter months I had the rear spr=
ings rearced&#160; it raised the Tigef about 3inches and installed some new=
 KGB shocks in rear. Went for a very short ride because of time restriction=
s and found the car mushy in front, It felt so&#160; different I would desc=
ribe it as loose in front, better check the shocks in front also, they are =
only Aaaa 25 years old. Could be 35.&#160; But really any other ideas. Beau=
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