Subject: Re: [Tigers] Door project; what I learned

From: "Ron Fraser" <[email-masked]>
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This is a follow up on this subject.

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Donuts look like compressed paper to me

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OD =3D 1.54=E2=80=9D

ID =3D .486=E2=80=9D

Thickness =3D .39=E2=80=9D                2nd spacer =3D .335=E2=80=9D

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Ron Fraser

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From: Tigers <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Joe Brown
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 11:35 AM
To: James Armstrong <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked]; Tigers Den <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Door project; what I learned

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Thanks to everyone for all of this information.  I put my doors back =
together about a week ago and realized from this discussion that I left =
out the donuts. I found my old ones but I don't have enough for all of =
the handles and the ones I do have are rough.  I don't see them in the =
SS catalog so I may attempt to make some from some masonite or =
something. =20

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Can somebody verify what the total thickness of one of the full donuts =
is?  One of mine that still looks good measures .33", but it might have =
swollen up over the years. =20

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Thanks,

Joe Brown

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On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 5:50 PM James Armstrong via Tigers =

Gentlemen,

First off, you are terrific and we are better together. Always.

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What I learned:

- both the window crank shaft and the door opening shaft each use two =
(2) felt donuts or four half donuts(4)           per  door to set up =
proper door panel position and rigidity

- Rick has these in stock if you need them

- the door handle and the window crank have very small rubber =
anti-rattle tubes in the actuator insertion cavity.
  Dr. Ron Fraser gave the dimensions, tentatively as; Dimensions - .35? =
x .384?        .293? thick=20
- the chrome collar should slide easily into the black plastic collar =
with or without spring. If not, make it so.

- The original fixing pins were tapered so that they could be inserted =
with a positive stop. Almost no-one has             these today and new =
ones have been fabricated from nails. Extra assembly effort required but =
OK

- remember to check for anti-rattle padding behind the door flat =
actuating plate that goes from the handle area       to the latch and =
travels right over the big window mechanism opening in the door

    You'll see traces of old glue where it was. You can use any kind of =
dampener. Prevents a major rattle on             door closer/slam

Thanks to all that contributed and lent a hand!

=20

Jim Armstrong

Mk 1A

382002083 LRXFE

Code 86

TAC #....

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>This is a =
follow up on this subject.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Donuts look =
like compressed paper to me<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>OD =3D =
1.54=E2=80=9D<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>ID =3D =
.486=E2=80=9D<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Thickness =3D =
.39=E2=80=9D=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 2<sup>nd</sup> spacer =3D =
.335=E2=80=9D<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Ron Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> =
Tigers &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Joe =
Brown<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, May 30, 2020 11:35 AM<br><b>To:</b> =
James Armstrong &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> =
[email-masked]; Tigers Den =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Door =
project; what I learned<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks =
to everyone for all of this information.&nbsp; I put my doors back =
together about a week ago and realized from this discussion that I left =
out the donuts. I found my old ones but I don't have enough for all of =
the handles and the ones I do have are rough.&nbsp; I don't see them in =
the SS catalog so I may attempt to make some from some masonite or =
something.&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Can somebody verify what the total thickness of one of =
the full donuts is?&nbsp; One of mine that still looks good measures =
.33&quot;, but it might have swollen up over the =
years.&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Joe Brown<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Fri, May 29, 2020 at 5:50 PM James Armstrong via Tigers &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Gen=
tlemen,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Fir=
st off, you are terrific and we are better together. =
Always.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Wha=
t I learned:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>- =
both the window crank shaft and the door opening shaft each use two (2) =
felt donuts or four half donuts(4)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;per&nbsp; door to set up proper door panel position and =
rigidity<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>- =
Rick has these in stock if you need =
them<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>- =
the door handle and the window crank have very small rubber anti-rattle =
tubes in the actuator insertion cavity.<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;Dr. Ron Fraser =
gave the dimensions, tentatively as; </span><em><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"New =
serif",serif;color:black'>Dimensions - .35? x .384?&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; .293? thick</span></em><em><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> =
</span></em><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><br=
>- the chrome collar should slide easily into the black plastic collar =
with or without spring. If not, make it =
so.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>- =
The original fixing pins were tapered so that they could be inserted =
with a positive stop. Almost no-one has&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;these today and new ones have been fabricated from =
nails. Extra assembly effort required but =
OK<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>- =
remember to check for anti-rattle padding behind the door flat actuating =
plate that goes from the handle area&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;to the =
latch and travels right over the big window mechanism opening in the =
door<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp; &nbsp; You'll see traces of old glue where it was. You can use any =
kind of dampener. Prevents a major rattle on&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;door closer/slam<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><br=
>Thanks to all that contributed and lent a =
hand!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Jim =
Armstrong<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Mk =
1A<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>382002083 =
LRXFE<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Code =
86<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>TAC =
#....<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
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From: James Armstrong via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2020 17:53:38 +0000 (UTC)

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Hello Dr. Fraser,
I'd call it a FELTED material. Many things were made of this stuff=C2=A0 ba=
ck in the day.But regardless, those are the little devils; 2 per door, one =
on each shaft.
Jim ArmstrongMk 1A=C2=A0 2083
In a message dated 6/19/2020 1:43:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, rfraser@blue=
frog.com writes:

=C2=A0

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OD =3D 1.54=E2=80=9D

ID =3D .486=E2=80=9D

Thickness =3D .39=E2=80=9D=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 2nd spacer =3D .335=E2=80=9D

=C2=A0

Ron Fraser

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Thanks to everyone for all of this information.=C2=A0 I put my doors back t=
ogether about a week ago and realized from this discussion that I left out =
the donuts. I found my old ones but I don't have enough for all of the hand=
les and the ones I do have are rough.=C2=A0 I don't see them in the SS cata=
log so I may attempt to make some from some masonite or something.=C2=A0=C2=
=A0

Can somebody verify what the total thickness of one of the full donuts is?=
=C2=A0 One of mine that still looks good measures .33", but it might have s=
wollen up over the years.=C2=A0

Thanks,

Joe Brown

=C2=A0

On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 5:50 PM James Armstrong via Tigers <[email-masked]=
am.net> wrote:

Gentlemen,

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What I learned:

- both the window crank shaft and the door opening shaft each use two (2) f=
elt donuts or four half donuts(4)=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0p=
er=C2=A0 door to set up proper door panel position and rigidity

- the door handle and the window crank have very small rubber anti-rattle t=
ubes in the actuator insertion cavity.
=C2=A0=C2=A0Dr. Ron Fraser gave the dimensions, tentatively as; Dimensions =
- .35? x .384?=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 .293? thick=20
- the chrome collar should slide easily into the black plastic collar with =
or without spring. If not, make it so.

- The original fixing pins were tapered so that they could be inserted with=
 a positive stop. Almost no-one has=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0these today and new ones have been fabricated from nails. Extra a=
ssembly effort required but OK

- remember to check for anti-rattle padding behind the door flat actuating =
plate that goes from the handle area=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0to the latch=
 and travels right over the big window mechanism opening in the door

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 You'll see traces of old glue where it was. You can use any k=
ind of dampener. Prevents a major rattle on=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0door closer/slam

=20

Jim Armstrong

Mk 1A

382002083 LRXFE

Code 86

TAC #....

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<div><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000;">Hello Dr. Fraser,</span></div>
<div><br></div>
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<div style="color: #000000; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.3333px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;"><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000;">I'd call it a FELTED material. Many things were made of this stuff&nbsp; back in the day.</span></div>
<div style="color: #000000; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.3333px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;"><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000;">But regardless, those are the little devils; 2 per door, one on each shaft.</span></div>
<div style="color: #000000; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.3333px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;"><br></div>
<div style="color: #000000; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.3333px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;"><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000;">Jim Armstrong</span></div>
<div style="color: #000000; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13.3333px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;"><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000;">Mk 1A&nbsp; 2083</span></div>
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In a message dated 6/19/2020 1:43:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email-masked] writes:
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<div class="quotedReply">
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<div id="yiv0179606969">
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<div class="yiv0179606969WordSection1">
<p class="yiv0179606969MsoNormal">This is a follow up on this subject.</p>
<p class="yiv0179606969MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class="yiv0179606969MsoNormal">Donuts look like compressed paper to me</p>
<p class="yiv0179606969MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class="yiv0179606969MsoNormal">OD = 1.54&rdquo;</p>
<p class="yiv0179606969MsoNormal">ID = .486&rdquo;</p>
<p class="yiv0179606969MsoNormal">Thickness = .39&rdquo;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2<sup>nd</sup> spacer = .335&rdquo;</p>
<p class="yiv0179606969MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class="yiv0179606969MsoNormal">Ron Fraser</p>
<p class="yiv0179606969MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class="yiv0179606969MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class="yiv0179606969MsoNormal"><strong>From:</strong> Tigers &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <strong>On Behalf Of </strong>Joe Brown<br><strong>Sent:</strong> Saturday, May 30, 2020 11:35 AM<br><strong>To:</strong> James Armstrong &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><strong>Cc:</strong> [email-masked]; Tigers Den &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [Tigers] Door project; what I learned</p>
<p class="yiv0179606969MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<div>
<p class="yiv0179606969MsoNormal">Thanks to everyone for all of this information.&nbsp; I put my doors back together about a week ago and realized from this discussion that I left out the donuts. I found my old ones but I don't have enough for all of the handles and the ones I do have are rough.&nbsp; I don't see them in the SS catalog so I may attempt to make some from some masonite or something.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>
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<p class="yiv0179606969MsoNormal"><br></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv0179606969MsoNormal">Can somebody verify what the total thickness of one of the full donuts is?&nbsp; One of mine that still looks good measures .33", but it might have swollen up over the years.&nbsp;<br></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv0179606969MsoNormal"><br></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv0179606969MsoNormal">Thanks,</p>
</div>
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<p class="yiv0179606969MsoNormal">Joe Brown</p>
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<p class="yiv0179606969MsoNormal">On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 5:50 PM James Armstrong via Tigers &lt;<a href="mailto:[email-masked]" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</p>
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<p class="yiv0179606969MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12.0pt;"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial', sans-serif; color: black;">Gentlemen,</span></p>
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<p class="yiv0179606969MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial', sans-serif; color: black;">First off, you are terrific and we are better together. Always.</span></p>
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<p class="yiv0179606969MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial', sans-serif; color: black;">What I learned:</span></p>
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<p class="yiv0179606969MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial', sans-serif; color: black;">- both the window crank shaft and the door opening shaft each use two (2) felt donuts or four half donuts(4)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;per&nbsp; door to set up proper door panel position and rigidity</span></p>
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<p class="yiv0179606969MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial', sans-serif; color: black;">- Rick has these in stock if you need them</span></p>
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<p class="yiv0179606969MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial', sans-serif; color: black;">- the door handle and the window crank have very small rubber anti-rattle tubes in the actuator insertion cavity.<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;Dr. Ron Fraser gave the dimensions, tentatively as; </span><em><span style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'New serif', serif; color: black;">Dimensions - .35? x .384?&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; .293? thick</span></em> <span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial', sans-serif; color: black;"><br>- the chrome collar should slide easily into the black plastic collar with or without spring. If not, make it so.</span></p>
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<p class="yiv0179606969MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial', sans-serif; color: black;">- The original fixing pins were tapered so that they could be inserted with a positive stop. Almost no-one has&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;these today and new ones have been fabricated from nails. Extra assembly effort required but OK</span></p>
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<p class="yiv0179606969MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial', sans-serif; color: black;">- remember to check for anti-rattle padding behind the door flat actuating plate that goes from the handle area&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;to the latch and travels right over the big window mechanism opening in the door</span></p>
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<p class="yiv0179606969MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial', sans-serif; color: black;">&nbsp; &nbsp; You'll see traces of old glue where it was. You can use any kind of dampener. Prevents a major rattle on&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;door closer/slam</span></p>
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<p class="yiv0179606969MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Arial', sans-serif; color: black;"><br>Thanks to all that contributed and lent a hand!</span></p>
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<p class="yiv0179606969MsoNormal">Jim Armstrong</p>
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<p class="yiv0179606969MsoNormal">Mk 1A</p>
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<p class="yiv0179606969MsoNormal">382002083 LRXFE</p>
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<p class="yiv0179606969MsoNormal">Code 86</p>
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<p class="yiv0179606969MsoNormal">TAC #....</p>
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Jim

                I think the number per shaft is variable.  You have to =
take up the space so the spring is not showing.

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I have 2 donuts + steel washers on the door latch handle and 1 donut on =
my window crank.

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In my case it could be that I have a mixture of door parts creating =
this.

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Ron Fraser

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From: James Armstrong <[email-masked]>=20
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2020 1:54 PM
To: [email-masked]; [email-masked]
Cc: [email-masked]; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Door project; what I learned

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Hello Dr. Fraser,

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I'd call it a FELTED material. Many things were made of this stuff  back =
in the day.

But regardless, those are the little devils; 2 per door, one on each =
shaft.

=20

Jim Armstrong

Mk 1A  2083

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In a message dated 6/19/2020 1:43:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, =

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OD =3D 1.54=E2=80=9D

ID =3D .486=E2=80=9D

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Ron Fraser

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From: Tigers <[email-masked] =
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Door project; what I learned

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Can somebody verify what the total thickness of one of the full donuts =
is?  One of mine that still looks good measures .33", but it might have =
swollen up over the years.=20

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Thanks,

Joe Brown

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Gentlemen,

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What I learned:

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Jim Armstrong

Mk 1A

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class=3DMsoNormal>Jim<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
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showing.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I have 2 donuts + steel washers on the door latch =
handle and 1 donut on my window crank.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>In my case =
it could be that I have a mixture of door parts creating =
this.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Ron Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> =
James Armstrong &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, June =
19, 2020 1:54 PM<br><b>To:</b> [email-masked]; =
[email-masked]<br><b>Cc:</b> [email-masked]; =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Door project; what =
I learned<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Hel=
lo Dr. Fraser,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>I'd=
 call it a FELTED material. Many things were made of this stuff&nbsp; =
back in the day.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>But=
 regardless, those are the little devils; 2 per door, one on each =
shaft.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Jim=
 Armstrong<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Mk =
1A&nbsp; 2083<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>In a message =
dated 6/19/2020 1:43:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> writes: =
<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div =
id=3Dyiv0179606969><div><div><p class=3Dyiv0179606969msonormal>This is a =
follow up on this subject.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dyiv0179606969msonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dyiv0179606969msonormal>Donuts look like compressed paper to =
me<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dyiv0179606969msonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dyiv0179606969msonormal>OD =3D 1.54=E2=80=9D<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dyiv0179606969msonormal>ID =3D .486=E2=80=9D<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dyiv0179606969msonormal>Thickness =3D =
.39=E2=80=9D&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2<sup>nd</sup> spacer =3D =
.335=E2=80=9D<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dyiv0179606969msonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dyiv0179606969msonormal>Ron Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dyiv0179606969msonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dyiv0179606969msonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dyiv0179606969msonormal><strong><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></strong> Tigers =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
et</a>&gt; <strong><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>On =
Behalf Of </span></strong>Joe Brown<br><strong><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Sent:</span></strong> =
Saturday, May 30, 2020 11:35 AM<br><strong><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>To:</span></strong> James =
Armstrong &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><strong><s=
pan style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Cc:</span></strong> <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>; Tigers Den =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><s=
trong><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Subject:</span></strong> Re: =
[Tigers] Door project; what I learned<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dyiv0179606969msonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3Dyiv0179606969msonormal>Thanks to everyone for all of this =
information.&nbsp; I put my doors back together about a week ago and =
realized from this discussion that I left out the donuts. I found my old =
ones but I don't have enough for all of the handles and the ones I do =
have are rough.&nbsp; I don't see them in the SS catalog so I may =
attempt to make some from some masonite or =
something.&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3Dyiv0179606969msonormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dyiv0179606969msonormal>Can somebody verify what the total =
thickness of one of the full donuts is?&nbsp; One of mine that still =
looks good measures .33&quot;, but it might have swollen up over the =
years.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dyiv0179606969msonormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dyiv0179606969msonormal>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dyiv0179606969msonormal>Joe Brown<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3Dyiv0179606969msonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3Dyiv0179606969msonormal>On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 5:50 PM James =
Armstrong via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5=
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style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Gen=
tlemen,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dyiv0179606969msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Fir=
st off, you are terrific and we are better together. =
Always.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dyiv0179606969msonormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dyiv0179606969msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Wha=
t I learned:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dyiv0179606969msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>- =
both the window crank shaft and the door opening shaft each use two (2) =
felt donuts or four half donuts(4)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;per&nbsp; door to set up proper door panel position and =
rigidity</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dyiv0179606969msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>- =
Rick has these in stock if you need =
them</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dyiv0179606969msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>- =
the door handle and the window crank have very small rubber anti-rattle =
tubes in the actuator insertion cavity.<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;Dr. Ron Fraser =
gave the dimensions, tentatively as; </span><em><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"New =
serif",serif;color:black'>Dimensions - .35? x .384?&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; .293? thick</span></em> <span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><br=
with or without spring. If not, make it =
so.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dyiv0179606969msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>- =
The original fixing pins were tapered so that they could be inserted =
with a positive stop. Almost no-one has&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;these today and new ones have been fabricated from =
nails. Extra assembly effort required but =
OK</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dyiv0179606969msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>- =
remember to check for anti-rattle padding behind the door flat actuating =
plate that goes from the handle area&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;to the =
latch and travels right over the big window mechanism opening in the =
door</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dyiv0179606969msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp; &nbsp; You'll see traces of old glue where it was. You can use any =
kind of dampener. Prevents a major rattle on&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;door closer/slam</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dyiv0179606969msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><br=
>Thanks to all that contributed and lent a =
hand!</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dyiv0179606969msonormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div></div><div><div=
><p class=3Dyiv0179606969msonormal>Jim =
Armstrong<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3Dyiv0179606969msonormal>Mk =
1A<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3Dyiv0179606969msonormal>382002083 =
LRXFE<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3Dyiv0179606969msonormal>Code =
86<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3Dyiv0179606969msonormal>TAC =
#....<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3Dyiv0179606969msonormal =
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From: Joe Brown <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2020 15:38:35 -0500

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I had to use a variety of thick and thin to get the spacing right on mine.

On Fri, Jun 19, 2020, 2:03 PM Ron Fraser <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Jim
>
>                 I think the number per shaft is variable.  You have to
> I have 2 donuts + steel washers on the door latch handle and 1 donut on m=
y
> window crank.
>
>
>
> In my case it could be that I have a mixture of door parts creating this.
>
>
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
>
> *From:* James Armstrong <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* Friday, June 19, 2020 1:54 PM
> *To:* [email-masked]; [email-masked]
> *Cc:* [email-masked]; [email-masked]
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Door project; what I learned
>
>
>
> Hello Dr. Fraser,
>
>
>
> I'd call it a FELTED material. Many things were made of this stuff  back
> in the day.
>
> But regardless, those are the little devils; 2 per door, one on each shaf=
t.
> *From:* Tigers <[email-masked]> *On Behalf Of *Joe Brown
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 30, 2020 11:35 AM
> *To:* James Armstrong <[email-masked]>
> *Cc:* [email-masked]; Tigers Den <[email-masked]>
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Door project; what I learned
>
>
>
> Thanks to everyone for all of this information.  I put my doors back
> together about a week ago and realized from this discussion that I left o=
ut
> the donuts. I found my old ones but I don't have enough for all of the
> handles and the ones I do have are rough.  I don't see them in the SS
> catalog so I may attempt to make some from some masonite or something.
>
>
>
> Can somebody verify what the total thickness of one of the full donuts
> is?  One of mine that still looks good measures .33", but it might have
> swollen up over the years.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joe Brown
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 5:50 PM James Armstrong via Tigers <
> [email-masked]> wrote:
>
> Gentlemen,
>
> - both the window crank shaft and the door opening shaft each use two (2)
> felt donuts or four half donuts(4)           per  door to set up proper
> door panel position and rigidity
>
> - the door handle and the window crank have very small rubber anti-rattle
> tubes in the actuator insertion cavity.
>   Dr. Ron Fraser gave the dimensions, tentatively as; *Dimensions - .35?
> x .384?        .293? thick*
> - the chrome collar should slide easily into the black plastic collar wit=
h
> - The original fixing pins were tapered so that they could be inserted
> with a positive stop. Almost no-one has             these today and new
OK
>
> - remember to check for anti-rattle padding behind the door flat actuatin=
g
> plate that goes from the handle area       to the latch and travels right
> over the big window mechanism opening in the door
>
>     You'll see traces of old glue where it was. You can use any kind of
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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<div dir=3D"auto">I had to use a variety of thick and thin to get the spaci=
ng right on mine.</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" clas=
s=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Jun 19, 2020, 2:03 PM Ron Fraser &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #=
ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purp=
le"><div class=3D"m_720631672421803305WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
Jim<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I think the nu=
mber per shaft is variable.=C2=A0 You have to take up the space so the spri=
ng is not showing.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u>=
</u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I have 2 donuts + steel washers on the door =
latch handle and 1 donut on my window crank.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"M=
soNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">In my case it coul=
d be that I have a mixture of door parts creating this.<u></u><u></u></p><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ron Fra=
ser<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> James Armstrong &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rollrigh=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <=
br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 19, 2020 1:54 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mail=
to:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">rfraser@bluef=
rog.com</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=
=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:s=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]=
t</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"no=
referrer">[email-masked]</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Door pr=
oject; what I learned<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0=
<u></u></p><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
0.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Hello Dr. Frase=
r,<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D=
"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><u>=
</u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:blac=
k">I&#39;d call it a FELTED material. Many things were made of this stuff=
=C2=A0 back in the day.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-s=
erif;color:black">But regardless, those are the little devils; 2 per door, =
one on each shaft.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;=
color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif=
;color:black">Jim Armstrong<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sa=
ns-serif;color:black">Mk 1A=C2=A0 2083<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div>=
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&qu=
ot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div=
></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">In a message dated 6/19/2020 1:43:48 PM Easte=
rn Standard Time, <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank"=
 rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a> writes: <u></u><u></u></p><div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><blockquote styl=
e=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;mar=
gin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div id=3D"m_72063167=
2421803305yiv0179606969"><div><div><p class=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv01796=
06969msonormal">This is a follow up on this subject.<u></u><u></u></p><p cl=
ass=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv0179606969msonormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>=
<p class=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv0179606969msonormal">Donuts look like co=
mpressed paper to me<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv01=
79606969msonormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"m_720631672421803305=
yiv0179606969msonormal">OD =3D 1.54=E2=80=9D<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"m=
_720631672421803305yiv0179606969msonormal">ID =3D .486=E2=80=9D<u></u><u></=
u></p><p class=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv0179606969msonormal">Thickness =3D=
 .39=E2=80=9D=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 2<sup>nd</sup> spacer =3D .335=E2=80=9D<u></=
u><u></u></p><p class=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv0179606969msonormal">=C2=A0=
<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv0179606969msonormal">R=
on Fraser<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv0179606969mso=
normal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv01796069=
69msonormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv017=
9606969msonormal"><strong><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sa=
ns-serif">From:</span></strong> Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tigers-bounces=
@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">tigers-bounces@autox.=
team.net</a>&gt; <strong><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,san=
s-serif">On Behalf Of </span></strong>Joe Brown<br><strong><span style=3D"f=
ont-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Sent:</span></strong> Saturday, =
May 30, 2020 11:35 AM<br><strong><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&q=
uot;,sans-serif">To:</span></strong> James Armstrong &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</=
a>&gt;<br><strong><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif=
">Cc:</span></strong> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_bla=
nk" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>; Tigers Den &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">tigers@au=
tox.team.net</a>&gt;<br><strong><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&qu=
ot;,sans-serif">Subject:</span></strong> Re: [Tigers] Door project; what I =
learned<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv0179606969msono=
rmal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv01796=
06969msonormal">Thanks to everyone for all of this information.=C2=A0 I put=
 my doors back together about a week ago and realized from this discussion =
that I left out the donuts. I found my old ones but I don&#39;t have enough=
 for all of the handles and the ones I do have are rough.=C2=A0 I don&#39;t=
 see them in the SS catalog so I may attempt to make some from some masonit=
e or something.=C2=A0=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"m_72063167242=
1803305yiv0179606969msonormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv0179606969msonormal">Can somebody verify what th=
e total thickness of one of the full donuts is?=C2=A0 One of mine that stil=
l looks good measures .33&quot;, but it might have swollen up over the year=
s.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv017=
9606969msonormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"m_72063167=
2421803305yiv0179606969msonormal">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p cl=
ass=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv0179606969msonormal">Joe Brown<u></u><u></u><=
/p></div></div><p class=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv0179606969msonormal">=C2=
=A0<u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv017960696=
9msonormal">On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 5:50 PM James Armstrong via Tigers &lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferre=
r">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.=
0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt=
"><div><div><p class=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv0179606969msonormal" style=
=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Gentlemen,</span><u></u><u></u></p></d=
iv><div><p class=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv0179606969msonormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">=
First off, you are terrific and we are better together. Always.</span><u></=
u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv0179606969msonor=
mal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv=
0179606969msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Aria=
l&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">What I learned:</span><u></u><u></u></p></d=
iv><div><p class=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv0179606969msonormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">=
- both the window crank shaft and the door opening shaft each use two (2) f=
elt donuts or four half donuts(4)=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0p=
er=C2=A0 door to set up proper door panel position and rigidity</span><u></=
u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv0179606969msonor=
mal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-ser=
if;color:black">- Rick has these in stock if you need them</span><u></u><u>=
</u></p></div><div><p class=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv0179606969msonormal">=
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;co=
lor:black">- the door handle and the window crank have very small rubber an=
ti-rattle tubes in the actuator insertion cavity.<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0Dr. Ron Fr=
aser gave the dimensions, tentatively as; </span><em><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;New serif&quot;,serif;color:black">Dimensions -=
 .35? x .384?=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 .293? thick</span></em> <span styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"=
><br>- the chrome collar should slide easily into the black plastic collar =
with or without spring. If not, make it so.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><=
div><p class=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv0179606969msonormal"><span style=3D"=
font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">- Th=
e original fixing pins were tapered so that they could be inserted with a p=
ositive stop. Almost no-one has=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0these today and new ones have been fabricated from nails. Extra assem=
bly effort required but OK</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"m=
_720631672421803305yiv0179606969msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;=
font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">- remember to check f=
or anti-rattle padding behind the door flat actuating plate that goes from =
the handle area=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0to the latch and travels right ov=
er the big window mechanism opening in the door</span><u></u><u></u></p></d=
iv><div><p class=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv0179606969msonormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 You&#39;ll see traces of old glue where it was. You can use a=
ny kind of dampener. Prevents a major rattle on=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0door closer/slam</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv0179606969msonormal"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><br>Thanks =
to all that contributed and lent a hand!</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div=
><p class=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv0179606969msonormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></=
u></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv0179606969ms=
onormal">Jim Armstrong<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"m_7206316724=
21803305yiv0179606969msonormal">Mk 1A<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv0179606969msonormal">382002083 LRXFE<u></u><u></=
u></p></div><div><p class=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv0179606969msonormal">Co=
de 86<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"m_720631672421803305yiv017960=
6969msonormal">TAC #....<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class=3D"m_7206316=
72421803305yiv0179606969msonormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">_________=
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