Subject: Re: [Tigers] Several items: door clips and door check rivet

From: Gary <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 12:36:22 -0700

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I agree with Jay, Rick=E2=80=99s parts are the best
available, even though they might not be
100%.  Yes, I recall that the originals were
thin, flexible Tupperware type plastic.
I think they are used just to block the
inevitable water that gets in the door cavity.
The metal panel clip needs to be able to=20
expand the plastic on the backside to keep
it from just sliding back out, so if Rick=E2=80=99s are
too thick/strong, they won=E2=80=99t work right.
Gary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 23, 2020, at 12:18 PM, Jay Laifman <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> Actually I'm starting to remember some more.  I seem to recall that the or=
iginal factory ones that were in my door either bowed out a little, or they w=
ere thing enough that the flexed.  And, the ones that I got at one point wer=
e straight and were not flexible enough.  So the metal clip, which normally s=
napped out, had nowhere to go.  So it didn't hold the door panel in place.  I=
 no longer recall if I got them from Rick or somewhere else first, and then g=
ot from Rick.
>=20
> The one thing I've learned for sure is that Rick had the best, and most li=
kely to work.  Unlike VB which always seemed to have it wrong.  This is from=
 rubber, to clips to carpet.  On the back of Rick's catalog (at least years a=
go), he showed the difference between his headlight bucket gasket versus the=
 other ones out there.  There was a huge difference.  Yes, his price was a l=
ittle higher.  But it was worth it.
>=20
>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 11:16 AM Gary <[email-masked]> wrote:
>> In 1979 I restored my interior and made new
>> door cards.  I was able to save and re-use
>> the factory pieces.  They fit the holes but
>> they didn=E2=80=99t keep the panel secured.  It=E2=80=99s a
>> poor design to say the least.
>> Gary
>>=20
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>=20
>>>> On Jun 23, 2020, at 10:18 AM, James Armstrong via Tigers <tigers@autox.=
team.net> wrote:
>>>>=20
>>> =EF=BB=BF
>>> In the end, I just don't know what Rick is selling here. Plus, I could g=
et no information other than "they are to
>>> prevent the door clips from scratching the glass.  BUT they don't fit.
>>>=20
>>> Jim A
>>>=20
>>> In a message dated 6/23/2020 10:35:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, jbbrown1=
[email-masked] writes:
>>>=20
>>> I bought the plastic sleeves but I gave up on them.
>>>=20
>>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 9:24 AM James Armstrong via Tigers <[email-masked]=
eam.net> wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>=20
>>> 1) In the Sunbeam Specialties catalog, page 20, there is a plastic sleev=
e numbered DP57S that is supposed        to  be used in conjunction with the=
 door panel holding clips.They neither seem to fit over the holding clip nor=
      do they seat in the receiving hole. No help from SS on this one.
>>>=20
>>> 2) There is a rivet or bolt that holds the door-strap to the frame as a s=
top. This is not called out in the big                Alpine  parts list.nor=
 does Rick carry them. What is this supposed to be. Some Brit sells a rivet k=
it with                washers and cotter pins on e-bay but is it correct? W=
hat is the correct part and what is its length and                   diamete=
r?
>>>=20
>>> Best regards to all,
>>>=20
>>> Jim Armstrong
>>> Mk 1A
>>> 382002083 LRXFE
>>> Code 86
>>> TAC #....
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">I agree with Jay, Rick=E2=80=99s parts are t=
he best<div>available, even though they might not be</div><div>100%. &nbsp;Y=
es, I recall that the originals were</div><div>thin, flexible Tupperware typ=
e plastic.</div><div>I think they are used just to block the</div><div>inevi=
table water that gets in the door cavity.</div><div>The metal panel clip nee=
ds to be able to&nbsp;</div><div>expand the plastic on the backside to keep<=
/div><div>it from just sliding back out, so if Rick=E2=80=99s are</div><div>=
too thick/strong, they won=E2=80=99t work right.</div><div>Gary</div><div><b=
r><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockq=
uote type=3D"cite">On Jun 23, 2020, at 12:18 PM, Jay Laifman &lt;jay.laifman=
@gmail.com&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"ltr">Actually I'm starting to remember s=
ome more.&nbsp; I seem to recall that the original factory ones that were in=
 my door either bowed out a little, or they were thing enough that the flexe=
d.&nbsp; And, the ones that I got at one point were straight and were not fl=
exible enough.&nbsp; So the metal clip, which normally snapped out, had nowh=
ere to go.&nbsp; So it didn't hold the door panel in place.&nbsp; I no longe=
r recall if I got them from Rick or somewhere else first, and then got from R=
ick.<div><br></div><div>The one thing I've learned for sure is that Rick had=
 the best, and most likely to work.&nbsp; Unlike VB which always seemed to h=
ave it wrong.&nbsp; This is from rubber, to clips to carpet.&nbsp; On the ba=
ck of Rick's catalog (at least years ago), he showed the difference&nbsp;bet=
ween his headlight bucket gasket versus the other ones out there.&nbsp; Ther=
e was a huge difference.&nbsp; Yes, his price was a little higher.&nbsp; But=
 it was worth it.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr"=
 class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 11:16 AM Gary &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></d=
iv><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;borde=
r-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">In 197=
9 I restored my interior and made new<div>door cards.&nbsp; I was able to sa=
ve and re-use</div><div>the factory pieces.&nbsp; They fit the holes but</di=
v><div>they didn=E2=80=99t keep the panel secured.&nbsp; It=E2=80=99s a</div=
><div>poor design to say the least.</div><div>Gary<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">S=
ent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Ju=
n 23, 2020, at 10:18 AM, James Armstrong via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ti=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<=
br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF=
<div>
<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rg=
b(0,0,0)">
<div><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;co=
lor:rgb(0,0,0)">In the end, I just don't know what Rick is selling here. Plu=
s, I could get no information other than "they are to</span></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;co=
lor:rgb(0,0,0)">prevent the door clips from scratching the glass.&nbsp; BUT t=
hey don't fit.</span></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;co=
lor:rgb(0,0,0)">Jim A</span></div>
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lor:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></span></div>
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tes:
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lue">
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<div>I bought the plastic sleeves but I gave up on them.</div>
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<div>
<div id=3D"gmail-m_-5006871555038822586yiv1017530769yqt70350">
<div dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 9:24 AM James Armstrong via Tigers &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=
=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,=
204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rg=
b(0,0,0)">
<div><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;co=
lor:rgb(0,0,0)">Hello,</span></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;co=
lor:rgb(0,0,0)">1) In the Sunbeam Specialties catalog, page 20, there is a p=
lastic sleeve numbered DP57S that is supposed&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; to&=
nbsp; be used in conjunction with the door panel holding clips.They neither s=
eem to fit over the holding clip nor&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; do they seat in the=
 receiving hole. No help from SS on this one.</span></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;co=
lor:rgb(0,0,0)">2) There is a rivet or bolt that holds the door-strap to the=
 frame as a stop. This is not called out in the big&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbs=
p; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Alpine&nbsp; parts list.nor does Rick carry t=
hem. What is this supposed to be. Some Brit sells a rivet kit with&nbsp; &nb=
sp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; washers and </span><span style=
=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">=
cotter pins on e-bay but is it correct? What is the correct part and what is=
 its length and&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp=
; &nbsp;diameter?</span></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;co=
lor:rgb(0,0,0)">Best regards to all,</span></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;co=
lor:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div>Jim Armstrong</div>
<div>Mk 1A</div>
<div>382002083 LRXFE</div>
<div>Code 86</div>
<div>TAC #....</div>
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From: James Armstrong via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 20:12:43 +0000 (UTC)

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Jim Damelio,
Those two pictures have, to mind, solved the dilemma. Over time the door cl=
ips have changed. I have a third type made of a cunningly bent single piece=
 of wire that saved my bacon in the lowest fixing hole on the most forward =
point=C2=A0 of the door/panel. But none of the plastic cups worked with the=
 SS door clips.
I give up, as someone else said. If it stays in place, close enough.
Thanks to everyone,
Jim Armstrong
In a message dated 6/23/2020 4:18:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, jimdamelio@v=
erizon.net writes:

Attached are two pictures, one of the sleeve 9119622 and one of the origina=
l door panel clip 9131156.=C2=A0 Looks to me the original clip will fit in =
the original sleeve.
Jim D

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

-------- Original message --------From: James Armstrong via Tigers <tigers@=
autox.team.net>Date: 6/23/20 1:17 PM (GMT-05:00)To: [email-masked]=
: [email-masked]: Re: [Tigers] Several items: door clips and =
door check rivet
In the end, I just don't know what Rick is selling here. Plus, I could get =
no information other than "they are toprevent the door clips from scratchin=
g the glass.=C2=A0 BUT they don't fit.
Jim A
In a message dated 6/23/2020 10:35:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, jbbrown1980=
@gmail.com writes:

I bought the plastic sleeves but I gave up on them.
On Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 9:24 AM James Armstrong via Tigers <[email-masked]=
.net> wrote:
Hello,
1) In the Sunbeam Specialties catalog, page 20, there is a plastic sleeve n=
umbered DP57S that is supposed=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 to=C2=A0 be used =
in conjunction with the door panel holding clips.They neither seem to fit o=
ver the holding clip nor=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 do they seat in the receiving =
hole. No help from SS on this one.
2) There is a rivet or bolt that holds the door-strap to the frame as a sto=
p. This is not called out in the big=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Alpine=C2=A0 parts list.nor does Rick carry them. What is=
 this supposed to be. Some Brit sells a rivet kit with=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 washers and cotter pins on e-bay but is =
it correct? What is the correct part and what is its length and=C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0diameter?
Best regards to all,
Jim ArmstrongMk 1A382002083 LRXFECode 86TAC #....__________________________=
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<div><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000;">Jim Damelio,</span></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000;">Those two pictures have, to mind, solved the dilemma. Over time the door clips have changed. I have a third type made of a cunningly bent single piece of wire that saved my bacon in the lowest fixing hole on the most forward point&nbsp; of the door/panel. But none of the plastic cups worked with the SS door clips.</span></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000;">I give up, as someone else said. If it stays in place, close enough.</span></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000;">Thanks to everyone,</span></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000;">Jim Armstrong</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000;"><br></span></div>
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<div>Attached are two pictures, one of the sleeve 9119622 and one of the original door panel clip 9131156.&nbsp; Looks to me the original clip will fit in the original sleeve.</div>
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<div>Jim D</div>
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<div>From: James Armstrong via Tigers &lt;[email-masked]&gt;</div>
<div>Date: 6/23/20 1:17 PM (GMT-05:00)</div>
<div>To: <a href="mailto:[email-masked]" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">[email-masked]</a></div>
<div>Cc: <a href="mailto:[email-masked]" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">[email-masked]</a></div>
<div>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Several items: door clips and door check rivet</div>
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<div><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000;">In the end, I just don't know what Rick is selling here. Plus, I could get no information other than "they are to</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000;">prevent the door clips from scratching the glass.&nbsp; BUT they don't fit.</span></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000;">Jim A</span></div>
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<div>I bought the plastic sleeves but I gave up on them.</div>
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<div class="yiv4373659238gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 9:24 AM James Armstrong via Tigers &lt;<a href="mailto:[email-masked]" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" shape="rect">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
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<div><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000;">Hello,</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000;">1) In the Sunbeam Specialties catalog, page 20, there is a plastic sleeve numbered DP57S that is supposed&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; to&nbsp; be used in conjunction with the door panel holding clips.They neither seem to fit over the holding clip nor&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; do they seat in the receiving hole. No help from SS on this one.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000;">2) There is a rivet or bolt that holds the door-strap to the frame as a stop. This is not called out in the big&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Alpine&nbsp; parts list.nor does Rick carry them. What is this supposed to be. Some Brit sells a rivet kit with&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; washers and </span><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000;">cotter pins on e-bay but is it correct? What is the correct part and what is its length and&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;diameter?</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000;">Best regards to all,</span></div>
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<div>Jim Armstrong</div>
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