Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Fulcrum Pins

From: Jay Laifman <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 09:00:54 -0700

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My dad was looking at these with another Tiger person.  I don't remember
who.  But I seem to recall that some of them, even though they looked
great, were flawed in their metallurgy.  It's up to you.  But unless others
have already confirmed the quality, I would consider having them checked
anyway and not simply trusting how expensive they are.

FWIW, on my Alpine, which spent its entire life in So Cal, I discovered at
some point that the rubber in my bushings was not just protruding, but
fully gone on two of them!  Rest assured, the Alpine and Tiger both have
good ones now.  Dan Walters had the right jig to push them in and out
without putting side load on the A arm itself.

On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 8:49 AM Dave Munroe <[email-masked]> wrote:

> FYI y'all:
>
> After 15 years and roughly 17,000 miles, during a routine service (oil
> change and filter, grease etc) I was surprised to find the Fulcrum Pin
> bushings protruding from their mountings on my Mark 1A.
> Thinking back, the Tiger had endured a very rough trip around the Cabot
> Trail during a period when some serious road construction maintenance was
> ongoing, resulting in some heavy duty pothole craters that gave the
> suspension a serious beating. Regardless, they had to be replaced, and
> knowing the Pin reputation for failure, I decided to replace them as well.
> I couldn't find a source in North America, but was told to contact J.O.
> Engineering in the U.K., who produce them. I was surprised and impressed
> with the obvious quality of these Pins. (See Photo)
> They are quite spendy, however, but from the look of them, worth the
> money, setting me back ~$150 CAD each, (roughly $110 USD) including
> shipping. (Quality has a price tag!)
> They are no longer available from J.O.. They are now being sold by
> sunbeamalpinetigerspares.com in the U.K
> The service was extraordinary, arriving in Canada the next day via "UPS
> Expedited". Your mileage may vary.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave Munroe in Nova Scotia
> B382000450 LRXFE
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<div dir=3D"ltr">My dad was looking at these=C2=A0with another Tiger person=
.=C2=A0 I don&#39;t remember who.=C2=A0 But I seem to recall that some of t=
hem, even though they looked great, were flawed in their metallurgy.=C2=A0 =
It&#39;s up to you.=C2=A0 But unless others have already confirmed the=C2=
=A0quality, I would consider having them checked anyway and not simply trus=
ting how expensive they are.<div><br></div><div>FWIW, on my Alpine, which s=
pent its entire life in So Cal, I discovered at some point that the rubber =
in my bushings was not just protruding, but fully gone on two of them!=C2=
=A0 Rest assured, the Alpine and Tiger both have good ones now.=C2=A0 Dan W=
alters had the right jig to push them in and out without putting side load =
on the A arm itself.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"=
ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 8:49 AM Dave Munroe &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-lef=
t:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=
=3D"gmail_default">FYI y&#39;all:</div><div class=3D"gmail_default"><br></d=
iv><div class=3D"gmail_default">After 15 years and roughly 17,000 miles, du=
ring a routine service (oil change and filter, grease etc) I was surprised =
to find the Fulcrum Pin bushings protruding from their mountings on my Mark=
 1A.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default">Thinking back, the Tiger had endured=
 a very rough trip around the Cabot Trail during a period when some serious=
 road construction maintenance was ongoing, resulting in some heavy=C2=A0du=
ty pothole=C2=A0craters that gave the suspension a serious beating. Regardl=
ess, they had to be replaced, and knowing the Pin reputation for failure, I=
 decided to replace them as well.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default">I could=
n&#39;t find a source in North America, but was told to contact J.O. Engine=
ering in the U.K., who produce them. I was surprised and impressed with the=
 obvious quality of these Pins. (See Photo)</div><div class=3D"gmail_defaul=
t">They are quite spendy, however, but from the look of them, worth=C2=A0th=
e money, setting me back ~$150 CAD each, (roughly $110 USD) including shipp=
ing. (Quality has a price tag!)</div><div class=3D"gmail_default">They are =
no longer available from J.O.. They are now being sold by=C2=A0</div><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_default"><a href=3D"http://sunbeamalpinetigerspares.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">sunbeamalpinetigerspares.com</a> in the U.K</div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default">The service was extraordinary, arriving in Canada the ne=
xt day via &quot;UPS Expedited&quot;. Your mileage may vary.</div><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_default"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default">Cheers,</div><di=
v class=3D"gmail_default"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default">Dave Munro=
e in Nova Scotia</div><div class=3D"gmail_default">B382000450 LRXFE</div></=
div>
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From: Buck Trippel via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 09:03:17 -0700

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I believe Doug Jennings still sells his CrMo version of the pins in =
stock dimensions. I bought a set last year.

=20

Buck

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From: Tigers <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Dave Munroe
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 8:39 AM
To: rootes1 via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Fulcrum Pins

=20

FYI y'all:

=20

After 15 years and roughly 17,000 miles, during a routine service (oil =
change and filter, grease etc) I was surprised to find the Fulcrum Pin =
bushings protruding from their mountings on my Mark 1A.

Thinking back, the Tiger had endured a very rough trip around the Cabot =
Trail during a period when some serious road construction maintenance =
was ongoing, resulting in some heavy duty pothole craters that gave the =
suspension a serious beating. Regardless, they had to be replaced, and =
knowing the Pin reputation for failure, I decided to replace them as =
well.

I couldn't find a source in North America, but was told to contact J.O. =
Engineering in the U.K., who produce them. I was surprised and impressed =
with the obvious quality of these Pins. (See Photo)

They are quite spendy, however, but from the look of them, worth the =
money, setting me back ~$150 CAD each, (roughly $110 USD) including =
shipping. (Quality has a price tag!)

They are no longer available from J.O.. They are now being sold by=20

sunbeamalpinetigerspares.com <http://sunbeamalpinetigerspares.com>  in =
the U.K

The service was extraordinary, arriving in Canada the next day via "UPS =
Expedited". Your mileage may vary.

=20

Cheers,

=20

B382000450 LRXFE

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>I believe =
Doug Jennings still sells his CrMo version of the pins in stock =
dimensions. I bought a set last year.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Buck<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Tigers =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dave =
Munroe<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 18, 2020 8:39 AM<br><b>To:</b> =
rootes1 via Tigers &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> =
[Tigers] Tiger Fulcrum Pins<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>FYI y'all:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>After 15 years and roughly 17,000 miles, during a =
routine service (oil change and filter, grease etc) I was surprised to =
find the Fulcrum Pin bushings protruding from their mountings on my Mark =
1A.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Thinking back, the =
Tiger had endured a very rough trip around the Cabot Trail during a =
period when some serious road construction maintenance was ongoing, =
resulting in some heavy&nbsp;duty pothole&nbsp;craters that gave the =
suspension a serious beating. Regardless, they had to be replaced, and =
knowing the Pin reputation for failure, I decided to replace them as =
well.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I couldn't find a =
source in North America, but was told to contact J.O. Engineering in the =
U.K., who produce them. I was surprised and impressed with the obvious =
quality of these Pins. (See Photo)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>They are quite spendy, however, but from the look of =
them, worth&nbsp;the money, setting me back ~$150 CAD each, (roughly =
$110 USD) including shipping. (Quality has a price =
tag!)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>They are no longer =
available from J.O.. They are now being sold =
by&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><a =
href=3D"http://sunbeamalpinetigerspares.com">sunbeamalpinetigerspares.com=
</a> in the U.K<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>The =
service was extraordinary, arriving in Canada the next day via &quot;UPS =
Expedited&quot;. Your mileage may vary.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Dave Munroe in Nova Scotia<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>B382000450 =
LRXFE<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></body></html>
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Maybe it is just the angle of the image but it looks like they are void 
of the rounded step as they reduce in size. They are manufactured with 
the rounded step (and rounded washers) to eliminate the sharp 90 degree 
step that can induce breakage.  With the Urethane type bushings having a 
steel insert many eliminate that and have the Urethane ride on a pin 
that has a thicker area thus reducing the step that was prone to 
breakage. Fulcrum pins seem to come and go here. Likely made in short 
order batches and why you found none in the USA???

If I may side in there were about 30 of us who got fulcrum pins through 
Derick White that were made in South Africa (if not the country then the 
region). There was a LOT of speculation regarding them. Given that it 
had been at least 15 years now is anyone had issues with them?  Most 
were the thicker pin style but I was skeptic about getting proper 
rounded washers so I opted for the standard version.

On 6/18/2020 8:38 AM, Dave Munroe wrote:
> Thinking back, the Tiger had endured a very rough trip around the 
> Cabot Trail during a period when some serious road construction 
> maintenance was ongoing, resulting in some heavy duty pothole craters 
> that gave the suspension a serious beating. Regardless, they had to be 
> replaced, and knowing the Pin reputation for failure, I decided to 
> replace them as well.
> I couldn't find a source in North America, but was told to contact 
> J.O. Engineering in the U.K., who produce them. I was surprised and 
> impressed with the obvious quality of these Pins. (See Photo)
> sunbeamalpinetigerspares.com <http://sunbeamalpinetigerspares.com> in 
> the U.K
> The service was extraordinary, arriving in Canada the next day via 
> "UPS Expedited". Your mileage may vary.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/[email-masked]
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    <p>Maybe it is just the angle of the image but it looks like they
      are void of the rounded step as they reduce in size. They are
      manufactured with the rounded step (and rounded washers) to
      eliminate the sharp 90 degree step that can induce breakage.  With
      the Urethane type bushings having a steel insert many eliminate
      that and have the Urethane ride on a pin that has a thicker area
      thus reducing the step that was prone to breakage. Fulcrum pins
      seem to come and go here. Likely made in short order batches and
      why you found none in the USA??? <br>
    </p>
    <p> If I may side in there were about 30 of us who got fulcrum pins
      through Derick White that were made in South Africa (if not the
      country then the region). There was a LOT of speculation regarding
      them. Given that it had been at least 15 years now is anyone had
      issues with them?  Most were the thicker pin style but I was
      skeptic about getting proper rounded washers so I opted for the
      standard version.</p>
    <p><img src="cid:[email-masked]" alt=""></p>
    <p><br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/18/2020 8:38 AM, Dave Munroe
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CA+mjxLE39MPPKd=[email-masked]">
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      <div dir="ltr">
        <div class="gmail_default" style="">FYI y'all:</div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style=""><br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="">After 15 years and roughly
          17,000 miles, during a routine service (oil change and filter,
          grease etc) I was surprised to find the Fulcrum Pin bushings
          protruding from their mountings on my Mark 1A.</div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="">Thinking back, the Tiger had
          endured a very rough trip around the Cabot Trail during a
          period when some serious road construction maintenance was
          ongoing, resulting in some heavy duty pothole craters that
          gave the suspension a serious beating. Regardless, they had to
          be replaced, and knowing the Pin reputation for failure, I
          decided to replace them as well.</div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="">I couldn't find a source in
          North America, but was told to contact J.O. Engineering in the
          U.K., who produce them. I was surprised and impressed with the
          obvious quality of these Pins. (See Photo)</div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="">They are quite spendy,
          however, but from the look of them, worth the money, setting
          me back ~$150 CAD each, (roughly $110 USD) including shipping.
          (Quality has a price tag!)</div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="">They are no longer available
          from J.O.. They are now being sold by </div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style=""><a
            href="http://sunbeamalpinetigerspares.com"
            moz-do-not-send="true">sunbeamalpinetigerspares.com</a> in
          the U.K</div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="">The service was
          extraordinary, arriving in Canada the next day via "UPS
          Expedited". Your mileage may vary.</div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style=""><br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="">Cheers,</div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style=""><br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="">Dave Munroe in Nova Scotia</div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="">B382000450 LRXFE</div>
      </div>
      <br>
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From: Will Seay <[email-masked]>
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Nice looking parts.  You might also want to try Rootes parts in the UK:
http://www.rootesparts.com/index.htm
They make a lot of parts for Tiger and Alpine and I believe they have a
pretty good reputation.

Will - 382001570
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Nic=
e looking parts.=C2=A0 You might also want to try Rootes parts in the UK:=
=C2=A0<a href=3D"http://www.rootesparts.com/index.htm">http://www.rootespar=
ts.com/index.htm</a></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:s=
mall">They make a lot of parts for Tiger and Alpine and I believe they have=
 a pretty good reputation.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-=
size:small"><br></div><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" data-=
smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr">Will - 382001570 <br><a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</=
a></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"lt=
r" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 11:38 AM Dave Munroe &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blo=
ckquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left=
:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=
=3D"gmail_default">FYI y&#39;all:</div><div class=3D"gmail_default"><br></d=
iv><div class=3D"gmail_default">After 15 years and roughly 17,000 miles, du=
ring a routine service (oil change and filter, grease etc) I was surprised =
to find the Fulcrum Pin bushings protruding from their mountings on my Mark=
 1A.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default">Thinking back, the Tiger had endured=
 a very rough trip around the Cabot Trail during a period when some serious=
 road construction maintenance was ongoing, resulting in some heavy=C2=A0du=
ty pothole=C2=A0craters that gave the suspension a serious beating. Regardl=
ess, they had to be replaced, and knowing the Pin reputation for failure, I=
 decided to replace them as well.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default">I could=
n&#39;t find a source in North America, but was told to contact J.O. Engine=
ering in the U.K., who produce them. I was surprised and impressed with the=
 obvious quality of these Pins. (See Photo)</div><div class=3D"gmail_defaul=
t">They are quite spendy, however, but from the look of them, worth=C2=A0th=
e money, setting me back ~$150 CAD each, (roughly $110 USD) including shipp=
ing. (Quality has a price tag!)</div><div class=3D"gmail_default">They are =
no longer available from J.O.. They are now being sold by=C2=A0</div><div c=
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From: Mark Rense <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 21:45:54 -0400

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I bought the Super Pro bushing set and had Doug Jennings press them in. He
also still had his fulcrum pins in stock. The Aussie bushings really
tightened up my front end. The rubber ones rotted away in about eight years
and maybe 10K miles. The Super Pros are guaranteed for life. I bought them
locally (Ohio).

https://superpro.com.au/find/superpro-suspension-parts-and-poly-bushings-for-sunbeam-tiger-1964-1967-mki-ii-/cid-999500674

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<div><div dir=3D"auto">I bought the Super Pro bushing set and had Doug Jenn=
ings press them in. He also still had his fulcrum pins in stock. The Aussie=
 bushings really tightened up my front end. The rubber ones rotted away in =
about eight years and maybe 10K miles. The Super Pros are guaranteed for li=
fe. I bought them locally (Ohio).=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><d=
iv dir=3D"auto"><div><a href=3D"https://superpro.com.au/find/superpro-suspe=
nsion-parts-and-poly-bushings-for-sunbeam-tiger-1964-1967-mki-ii-/cid-99950=
0674">https://superpro.com.au/find/superpro-suspension-parts-and-poly-bushi=
ngs-for-sunbeam-tiger-1964-1967-mki-ii-/cid-999500674</a></div><br></div><d=
iv dir=3D"auto">Bugz</div></div><div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote=
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1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,=
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