Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 13, Issue 101

From: Joel Martin via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 15:09:53 +0000 (UTC)

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 I made the mistake of tightening suspension pieces on the lift after insta=
llation and had the same height problem both front and rear.

I then loosened all suspension bolts and let the car sit on all 4 wheels fo=
r a few days also pushing down occasionally. Backed in and out of the garag=
e a few times.

Things settled into the correct ride height after that. Tightened all suspe=
nsion bolts and was good to go.

Good luck.

Joel Martin

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=C2=A0 1. Suspension issues(maybe) (Lance Beauchamp)
=C2=A0 2. Re: Suspension issues(maybe) (Tom Witt)
=C2=A0 3. Fwd:=C2=A0 Suspension issues(maybe) (Mark Rense)
=C2=A0 4. Re: Fwd: Suspension issues(maybe) (Jay Laifman)
During the winter months I had the rear springs rearced=C2=A0 it raised the=
 Tigef about 3inches and installed some new KGB shocks in rear. Went for a =
very short ride because of time restrictions and found the car mushy in fro=
nt, It felt so=C2=A0 different I would describe it as loose in front, bette=
r check the shocks in front also, they are only Aaaa 25 years old. Could be=
 35.=C2=A0 But really any other ideas. Beau =20
Raising the rear of a Tiger 3" is significant! It likely shifted significan=
t weight on the front wheels. And if that was the case the static alignment=
 is now based on the changes that weight made. Whenever something changes..=
., go back and look at the changes made even if elsewhere. I swapped an EAO=
 2.0 for a Lima 2.3 with turbo in my Pinto and the weight difference produc=
ed similar results. But in my case I was expecting a difference.=C2=A0 Why =
3" in the rear?
=20
 On 6/12/2020 5:38 PM, Lance Beauchamp wrote:
 =20
 During the winter months I had the rear springs rearced=C2=A0 it raised th=
e Tigef about 3inches and installed some new KGB shocks in rear. Went for a=
 very short ride because of time restrictions and found the car mushy in fr=
ont, It felt so=C2=A0 different I would describe it as loose in front, bett=
er check the shocks in front also, they are only Aaaa 25 years old. Could b=
e 35.=C2=A0 But really any other ideas. Beau=20
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 I=E2=80=99ll be willing to bet your A-arm bushings are shot. I used the Su=
per Pro urethane bushings on my last rebuild and it really tightened up the=
 front end.=C2=A0
Bugz
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:

During the winter months I had the rear springs rearced=C2=A0 it raised the=
 Tigef about 3inches and installed some new KGB shocks in rear. Went for a =
very short ride because of time restrictions and found the car mushy in fro=
nt, It felt so=C2=A0 different I would describe it as loose in front, bette=
r check the shocks in front also, they are only Aaaa 25 years old. Could be=
 35.=C2=A0 But really any other ideas. Beau________________________________=
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Had the same thing happen on my Alpine.=C2=A0 It was like the rubber in the=
 bushing just disappeared!
I will warn though that if you have the same thing, and the A arm is shifti=
ng around=C2=A0in there, it might make the Ackermann angle issue worse, and=
 make it that much more likely that you=C2=A0can break your A arm mounts - =
especially=C2=A0going backwards.=C2=A0 Or heck, maybe it makes it better!=
=C2=A0 But either way, I'd be super careful.
On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 7:41 PM Mark Rense <[email-masked]> wrote:

I=E2=80=99ll be willing to bet your A-arm bushings are shot. I used the Sup=
er Pro urethane bushings on my last rebuild and it really tightened up the =
front end.=C2=A0
Bugz
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During the winter months I had the rear springs rearced=C2=A0 it raised the=
 Tigef about 3inches and installed some new KGB shocks in rear. Went for a =
very short ride because of time restrictions and found the car mushy in fro=
nt, It felt so=C2=A0 different I would describe it as loose in front, bette=
r check the shocks in front also, they are only Aaaa 25 years old. Could be=
 35.=C2=A0 But really any other ideas. Beau________________________________=
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<div>                I made the mistake of tightening suspension pieces on =
the lift after installation and had the same height problem both front and =
rear.<br><br>I then loosened all suspension bolts and let the car sit on al=
l 4 wheels for a few days also pushing down occasionally.  Backed in and ou=
t of the garage a few times.<br><br>Things settled into the correct ride he=
ight after that.  Tightened all suspension bolts and was good to go.<br><br=
>Good luck.<br><br>Joel Martin<br><br>            </div>            <div cl=
ass=3D"yahoo_quoted" style=3D"margin:10px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px sol=
id #ccc;padding-left:1ex;">                        <div style=3D"font-famil=
y:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#2628=
2a;">                                <div>                    On Saturday, =
June 13, 2020, 05:23:37 PM EDT,  &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrot=
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 please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br></div><div dir=3D"=
ltr">than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..."<br></div>Today's Topics:<br><b=
r>&nbsp;  1. Suspension issues(maybe) (Lance Beauchamp)<br>&nbsp;  2. Re: S=
uspension issues(maybe) (Tom Witt)<br>&nbsp;  3. Fwd:&nbsp; Suspension issu=
es(maybe) (Mark Rense)<br>&nbsp;  4. Re: Fwd: Suspension issues(maybe) (Jay=
 Laifman)<br><div id=3D"ymsg95827" class=3D"ymsg8911146735" src=3D"mid://AK=
1iJok2jQ4dXuVD2QXIeJvQgNA/3.1"><div id=3D"yiv7705120267"><div>During the wi=
nter months I had the rear springs rearced&nbsp; it raised the Tigef about =
3inches and installed some new KGB shocks in rear. Went for a very short ri=
de because of time restrictions and found the car mushy in front, It felt s=
o&nbsp; different I would describe it as loose in front, better check the s=
hocks in front also, they are only Aaaa 25 years old. Could be 35.&nbsp; Bu=
t really any other ideas. Beau</div></div></div><div id=3D"ymsg28412" class=
=3D"ymsg8911146735" src=3D"mid://AK1iJok2jQ4dXuVD2QXIeJvQgNA/3.2"><div id=
=3D"yiv7705120267">          <div>    <p>Raising the rear of a Tiger 3" is =
significant! It likely shifted      significant weight on the front wheels.=
 And if that was the case      the static alignment is now based on the cha=
nges that weight made.      Whenever something changes..., go back and look=
 at the changes      made even if elsewhere. I swapped an EAO 2.0 for a Lim=
a 2.3 with      turbo in my Pinto and the weight difference produced simila=
r      results. But in my case I was expecting a difference.&nbsp; Why 3" i=
n      the rear?<br>    </p>    <div class=3D"yiv7705120267moz-cite-prefix"=
>On 6/12/2020 5:38 PM, Lance Beauchamp      wrote:<br>    </div>    <blockq=
uote type=3D"cite">            <div>During the winter months I had the rear=
 springs        rearced&nbsp; it raised the Tigef about 3inches and install=
ed some        new KGB shocks in rear. Went for a very short ride because o=
f        time restrictions and found the car mushy in front, It felt so&nbs=
p;        different I would describe it as loose in front, better check    =
    the shocks in front also, they are only Aaaa 25 years old. Could       =
 be 35.&nbsp; But really any other ideas. Beau</div>      <br>      <fields=
et class=3D"yiv7705120267mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>      <pre class=
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jQ4dXuVD2QXIeJvQgNA/3.3"><div id=3D"yiv7705120267"><div>I=E2=80=99ll be wil=
ling to bet your A-arm bushings are shot. I used the Super Pro urethane bus=
hings on my last rebuild and it really tightened up the front end.&nbsp;<br=
></div><div><div class=3D"yiv7705120267gmail_quote"><div><div>Bugz</div></d=
iv><div><br><div class=3D"yiv7705120267gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"yiv7705120267gmail_attr">On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 9:11 PM Lance Beaucham=
p &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"=
_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wro=
te:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"yiv7705120267gmail_quote" style=3D"margin=
:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-le=
ft:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);"><div>During the winter months I=
 had the rear springs rearced&nbsp; it raised the Tigef about 3inches and i=
nstalled some new KGB shocks in rear. Went for a very short ride because of=
 time restrictions and found the car mushy in front, It felt so&nbsp; diffe=
rent I would describe it as loose in front, better check the shocks in fron=
t also, they are only Aaaa 25 years old. Could be 35.&nbsp; But really any =
other ideas. Beau</div>_______________________________________________<br><=
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46735" src=3D"mid://AK1iJok2jQ4dXuVD2QXIeJvQgNA/3.4"><div id=3D"yiv77051202=
67"><div dir=3D"ltr">Had the same thing happen on my Alpine.&nbsp; It was l=
ike the rubber in the bushing just disappeared!<div><br></div><div>I will w=
arn though that if you have the same thing, and the A arm is shifting aroun=
d&nbsp;in there, it might make the Ackermann angle issue worse, and make it=
 that much more likely that you&nbsp;can break your A arm mounts - especial=
ly&nbsp;going backwards.&nbsp; Or heck, maybe it makes it better!&nbsp; But=
 either way, I'd be super careful.</div></div><br><div class=3D"yiv77051202=
67gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"yiv7705120267gmail_attr">On Fri, J=
un 12, 2020 at 7:41 PM Mark Rense &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=
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0267gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rg=
b(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;"><div>I=E2=80=99ll be willing to bet your =
A-arm bushings are shot. I used the Super Pro urethane bushings on my last =
rebuild and it really tightened up the front end.&nbsp;<br></div><div><div =
class=3D"yiv7705120267gmail_quote"><div><div>Bugz</div></div><div><br><div =
class=3D"yiv7705120267gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"yiv7705120267g=
mail_attr">On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 9:11 PM Lance Beauchamp &lt;<a rel=3D"no=
follow" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"ma=
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kquote class=3D"yiv7705120267gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;"><div>During the =
winter months I had the rear springs rearced&nbsp; it raised the Tigef abou=
t 3inches and installed some new KGB shocks in rear. Went for a very short =
ride because of time restrictions and found the car mushy in front, It felt=
 so&nbsp; different I would describe it as loose in front, better check the=
 shocks in front also, they are only Aaaa 25 years old. Could be 35.&nbsp; =
But really any other ideas. Beau</div>_____________________________________=
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