Subject: Re: [Tigers] Urban legend

From: Jim Sencindiver via Tigers <[email-masked]>
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Another part of the problem was where to relocate the heater core and
re-route the air vent hoses and coolant hoses.

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> While I have no idea about the Chrysler engine fit thread I was aware that
> the inability of clearance available to accommodate the rear position of
> the distributor was THE issue for the demise of the Tiger.
>
> I have seen several Tigers with what looks like fairly dramatic firewall
> notching, mostly all to accommodate Weber Carb installation. Just wondering
> if that might have worked/been a possibility.  Probably would have been to
> expensive a change to tool for.
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Another part of the problem was where to relocate the heat=
er core and re-route the air vent hoses and coolant hoses.</div><br><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Sat, Mar 7, 20=
20 at 2:48 PM Curt Bowland via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
am.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"=
gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left=
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<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;,Chalkb=
oard,cursive;font-size:14pt">
While I have no idea about the Chrysler engine fit thread I was aware that =
the inability of clearance available to accommodate the rear position of th=
e distributor was THE issue for the demise of the Tiger.</div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;,Chalkb=
oard,cursive;font-size:14pt">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;,Chalkb=
oard,cursive;font-size:14pt">
I have seen several Tigers with what looks like fairly dramatic firewall no=
tching, mostly all to accommodate Weber Carb installation. Just wondering i=
f that might have worked/been a possibility.=C2=A0 Probably would have been=
 to expensive a change to tool for.</div>
</div>

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From: Stu via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2020 18:47:02 -0500

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IIRC Chrysler V-8's of the era not only had the distributor problem, but
they were also much wider.  The budget to do a major redesign of the engine
compartment, as well as meet the new '68 safety (or was it bumper?)
requirements was not there,  So Tigers ended in '67.

Stu

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">IIR=
C Chrysler V-8&#39;s of the era not only had the distributor problem, but t=
hey were also much wider.=C2=A0 The budget to do a major redesign of the en=
gine compartment, as well as meet the new &#39;68 safety (or was it bumper?=
) requirements was not there,=C2=A0 So Tigers ended in &#39;67.</div><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gm=
ail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Stu</div></div><br><div class=3D"gma=
il_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 2:48=
 PM Curt Bowland via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">ti=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204)=
;padding-left:1ex">

<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;,Chalkboard,cursive;font=
-size:14pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
While I have no idea about the Chrysler engine fit thread I was aware that =
the inability of clearance available to accommodate the rear position of th=
e distributor was THE issue for the demise of the Tiger.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;,Chalkboard,cursive;font=
-size:14pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;,Chalkboard,cursive;font=
-size:14pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
I have seen several Tigers with what looks like fairly dramatic firewall no=
tching, mostly all to accommodate Weber Carb installation. Just wondering i=
f that might have worked/been a possibility.=C2=A0 Probably would have been=
 to expensive a change to tool for.</div>
</div>

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From: Gary via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2020 16:06:15 -0800

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Stu is the winna...
Urban myth is just that, a myth when it comes  to Sunbeam Tiger 
distributors and engines causing it to be discontinued.

One good description from: 
https://autouniversum.wordpress.com/2018/01/03/1968-u-s-lawmakers-introduce-automotive-safety-standards/

The first set of rules took effect exactly fifty years ago, January 
1968; less than fifteen months after the agency was established.

Most of the new regulations simply codified best practice; requiring all 
vehicles to have padded instrument panels, recessed inside door handles, 
non-rigid armrests, breakaway inside mirrors, labeled controls, 
twin-circuit brakes, two-speed wipers covering a minimum percentage of 
the windscreen area, a left-hand outside mirror, reversing lamps and 
four-way hazard flashers.

Other regulations required new features: energy-absorbing steering 
columns, a warning lamp for brake circuit depressurization, minimal 
post-collision fuel spillage, front and rear side marker lights or 
reflectors, and windscreens with thicker-interlayer safety glass and 
improved retention. Finally, all vehicles had to survive a 30 mph (48 
kph) crash into a concrete barrier demonstrating survivability of 
standardized test dummies in the front seats.

etc...

Gary

On 3/7/2020 3:47 PM, Stu via Tigers wrote:
> IIRC Chrysler V-8's of the era not only had the distributor problem, 
> but they were also much wider.  The budget to do a major redesign of 
> the engine compartment, as well as meet the new '68 safety (or was it 
> bumper?) requirements was not there,  So Tigers ended in '67.
>
> Stu
>
> On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 2:48 PM Curt Bowland via Tigers 
>
>     While I have no idea about the Chrysler engine fit thread I was
>     aware that the inability of clearance available to accommodate the
>     rear position of the distributor was THE issue for the demise of
>     the Tiger.
>
>     I have seen several Tigers with what looks like fairly dramatic
>     firewall notching, mostly all to accommodate Weber Carb
>     installation. Just wondering if that might have worked/been a
>     possibility.  Probably would have been to expensive a change to
>     tool for.
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/[email-masked]
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    Stu is the winna...<br>
    Urban myth is just that, a myth when it comes  to Sunbeam Tiger
    distributors and engines causing it to be discontinued.<br>
    <br>
    One good description from:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://autouniversum.wordpress.com/2018/01/03/1968-u-s-lawmakers-introduce-automotive-safety-standards/">https://autouniversum.wordpress.com/2018/01/03/1968-u-s-lawmakers-introduce-automotive-safety-standards/</a><br>
    <br>
    The first set of rules took effect exactly fifty years ago, January
    1968; less than fifteen months after the agency was established.
    <p data-adtags-visited="true">Most of the new regulations simply
      codified best practice; requiring all vehicles to have padded
      instrument panels, recessed inside door handles, non-rigid
      armrests, breakaway inside mirrors, labeled controls, twin-circuit
      brakes, two-speed wipers covering a minimum percentage of the
      windscreen area, a left-hand outside mirror, reversing lamps and
      four-way hazard flashers.</p>
    <p data-adtags-visited="true">Other regulations required new
      features: energy-absorbing steering columns, a warning lamp for
      brake circuit depressurization, minimal post-collision fuel
      spillage, front and rear side marker lights or reflectors, and
      windscreens with thicker-interlayer safety glass and improved
      retention. Finally, all vehicles had to survive a 30 mph (48 kph)
      crash into a concrete barrier demonstrating survivability of
      standardized test dummies in the front seats.</p>
    etc...<br>
    <br>
    Gary<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/7/2020 3:47 PM, Stu via Tigers
      wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:[email-masked]">
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        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">IIRC Chrysler
          V-8's of the era not only had the distributor problem, but
          they were also much wider.  The budget to do a major redesign
          of the engine compartment, as well as meet the new '68 safety
          (or was it bumper?) requirements was not there,  So Tigers
          ended in '67.</div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Stu</div>
      </div>
      <br>
      <div class="gmail_quote">
        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 2:48 PM
          Curt Bowland via Tigers &lt;<a
            href="mailto:[email-masked]" moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
          wrote:<br>
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              MS&quot;,Chalkboard,cursive;font-size:14pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
              While I have no idea about the Chrysler engine fit thread
              I was aware that the inability of clearance available to
              accommodate the rear position of the distributor was THE
              issue for the demise of the Tiger.</div>
            <div style="font-family:&quot;Comic Sans
              MS&quot;,Chalkboard,cursive;font-size:14pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
              <br>
            </div>
            <div style="font-family:&quot;Comic Sans
              MS&quot;,Chalkboard,cursive;font-size:14pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
              I have seen several Tigers with what looks like fairly
              dramatic firewall notching, mostly all to accommodate
              Weber Carb installation. Just wondering if that might have
              worked/been a possibility.  Probably would have been to
              expensive a change to tool for.</div>
          </div>
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I took a quick look at engine dimensions on the web and it looks like =
the Mopar 273 was the same dimension as the small block ford except it =
was an inch taller. With the distributor issue, I wonder how much time =
they actually spent on discussing an engine replacement. One of the =
things about Tigers is: The stories are endless. And fun! Lol=20

> On Mar 7, 2020, at 3:47 PM, Stu via Tigers <[email-masked]> =
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> IIRC Chrysler V-8's of the era not only had the distributor problem, =
but they were also much wider.  The budget to do a major redesign of the =
engine compartment, as well as meet the new '68 safety (or was it =
bumper?) requirements was not there,  So Tigers ended in '67.
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> On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 2:48 PM Curt Bowland via Tigers =
> While I have no idea about the Chrysler engine fit thread I was aware =
that the inability of clearance available to accommodate the rear =
position of the distributor was THE issue for the demise of the Tiger.
>=20
> I have seen several Tigers with what looks like fairly dramatic =
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><span=
 style=3D"font-size: 14px;" class=3D"">I took a quick look at engine =
dimensions on the web and it looks like the Mopar 273 was the same =
dimension as the small block ford except it was an inch taller. With the =
distributor issue, I wonder how much time they&nbsp;actually spent on =
discussing an engine&nbsp;replacement. One of the things about Tigers =
is: The stories are endless. And fun!&nbsp;Lol&nbsp;</span><br =
class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Mar 7, 2020, at 3:47 PM, Stu via Tigers &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">IIRC =
Chrysler V-8's of the era not only had the distributor problem, but they =
were also much wider.&nbsp; The budget to do a major redesign of the =
engine compartment, as well as meet the new '68 safety (or was it =
bumper?) requirements was not there,&nbsp; So Tigers ended in =
'67.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-size:small">Stu</div></div><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Mar =
7, 2020 at 2:48 PM Curt Bowland via Tigers &lt;<a =
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<div style=3D"font-family: &quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;, Chalkboard, =
cursive; font-size: 14pt;" class=3D"">
While I have no idea about the Chrysler engine fit thread I was aware =
that the inability of clearance available to accommodate the rear =
position of the distributor was THE issue for the demise of the =
Tiger.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: &quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;, Chalkboard, =
cursive; font-size: 14pt;" class=3D"">
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cursive; font-size: 14pt;" class=3D"">
I have seen several Tigers with what looks like fairly dramatic firewall =
notching, mostly all to accommodate Weber Carb installation. Just =
wondering if that might have worked/been a possibility.&nbsp; Probably =
would have been to expensive a change to tool for.</div>
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I think Gary is spot on. Question, does that mean we are all test =
dummies? J/k

> On Mar 7, 2020, at 4:06 PM, Gary via Tigers <[email-masked]> =
wrote:
>=20
> Stu is the winna...
> Urban myth is just that, a myth when it comes  to Sunbeam Tiger =
>=20
> One good description from: =
https://autouniversum.wordpress.com/2018/01/03/1968-u-s-lawmakers-introduc=
e-automotive-safety-standards/ =
<https://autouniversum.wordpress.com/2018/01/03/1968-u-s-lawmakers-introdu=
ce-automotive-safety-standards/>
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> The first set of rules took effect exactly fifty years ago, January =
> Most of the new regulations simply codified best practice; requiring =
all vehicles to have padded instrument panels, recessed inside door =
handles, non-rigid armrests, breakaway inside mirrors, labeled controls, =
twin-circuit brakes, two-speed wipers covering a minimum percentage of =
the windscreen area, a left-hand outside mirror, reversing lamps and =
four-way hazard flashers.
>=20
> Other regulations required new features: energy-absorbing steering =
columns, a warning lamp for brake circuit depressurization, minimal =
post-collision fuel spillage, front and rear side marker lights or =
reflectors, and windscreens with thicker-interlayer safety glass and =
improved retention. Finally, all vehicles had to survive a 30 mph (48 =
kph) crash into a concrete barrier demonstrating survivability of =
standardized test dummies in the front seats.
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    Stu is the winna...<br class="">
    Urban myth is just that, a myth when it comes&nbsp; to Sunbeam Tiger
    distributors and engines causing it to be discontinued.<br class="">
    <br class="">
    One good description from:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://autouniversum.wordpress.com/2018/01/03/1968-u-s-lawmakers-introduce-automotive-safety-standards/">https://autouniversum.wordpress.com/2018/01/03/1968-u-s-lawmakers-introduce-automotive-safety-standards/</a><br class="">
    <br class="">
    The first set of rules took effect exactly fifty years ago, January
    1968; less than fifteen months after the agency was established.
    <p data-adtags-visited="true" class="">Most of the new regulations simply
      codified best practice; requiring all vehicles to have padded
      instrument panels, recessed inside door handles, non-rigid
      armrests, breakaway inside mirrors, labeled controls, twin-circuit
      brakes, two-speed wipers covering a minimum percentage of the
      windscreen area, a left-hand outside mirror, reversing lamps and
      four-way hazard flashers.</p><p data-adtags-visited="true" class="">Other regulations required new
      features: energy-absorbing steering columns, a warning lamp for
      brake circuit depressurization, minimal post-collision fuel
      spillage, front and rear side marker lights or reflectors, and
      windscreens with thicker-interlayer safety glass and improved
      retention. Finally, all vehicles had to survive a 30 mph (48 kph)
      crash into a concrete barrier demonstrating survivability of
      standardized test dummies in the front seats.</p>
    etc...<br class="">
    <br class="">
    Gary<br class="">
    <br class="">
    <br class="">
    <br class="">
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/7/2020 3:47 PM, Stu via Tigers
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        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">IIRC Chrysler
          V-8's of the era not only had the distributor problem, but
          they were also much wider.&nbsp; The budget to do a major redesign
          of the engine compartment, as well as meet the new '68 safety
          (or was it bumper?) requirements was not there,&nbsp; So Tigers
          ended in '67.</div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br class="">
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Stu</div>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 2:48 PM
          Curt Bowland via Tigers &lt;<a href="mailto:[email-masked]" moz-do-not-send="true" class="">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
          wrote:<br class="">
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              While I have no idea about the Chrysler engine fit thread
              I was aware that the inability of clearance available to
              accommodate the rear position of the distributor was THE
              issue for the demise of the Tiger.</div>
            <div style="font-family:&quot;Comic Sans
              MS&quot;,Chalkboard,cursive;font-size:14pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)" class="">
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            <div style="font-family:&quot;Comic Sans
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              I have seen several Tigers with what looks like fairly
              dramatic firewall notching, mostly all to accommodate
              Weber Carb installation. Just wondering if that might have
              worked/been a possibility.&nbsp; Probably would have been to
              expensive a change to tool for.</div>
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The demise of the Sunbeam Tiger was that they did not sell very well.  The
USA import regs for cars would require expensive modifications to the car.
So in February 1967 the decision was made to finish the cars that were in
the line and send them to Canada.  Everything about not fitting a Chrysler
engine is just a rumor.

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expensive modifications to the car.=C2=A0 So in February 1967 the decision =
was made to finish the cars that were in the line and send them to Canada.=
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The best and most authoritative answers to the why the Tiger was =
discontinued that I=E2=80=99ve found are in the collection of Papworth =
papers housed in the Culture Coventry Archive at the Herbert Museum in =
Coventry.

=20

Mr Papworth was a very high level =E2=80=9Cplanner=E2=80=9D for Rootes. =
He reported to a very select group, comprised mainly of family members =
who were the heart of the Rootes board. After his retirement he donated =
thousands(?) of pages of notes and memos. I=E2=80=99ve spent several =
days reading them and want to go back.=20

=20

Mr. Papworth lays out a very comprehensive Tiger story. The Tiger =
represented only 2% of Rootes=E2=80=99 sales and was consequentially =
just a blip on management=E2=80=99s attention. Tigers were barely =
mentioned in board meetings as the high production Imps and Hillmans =
dominated the discussions. The Mk1s & 1As sold well. The Mk2 that was =
built was not the Mk2 that the engineers had designed and tested (with =
upgraded 5-bolt 14=E2=80=9D wheels to fit 4-wheel discs, the same 3-puck =
calipers used on Aston Martins and street Cobras) and the resulting lack =
of initial sales seemed to be the straw that broke the camel=E2=80=99s =
back. But Papworth also outlines other contributing issues.=20

=20

Rootes engineers determined that Chrysler V8s would not fit in a Tiger. =
They explored alternatives including one that would have been built a =
new =E2=80=9CTiger=E2=80=9D with fiberglass body in the USA. Obviously =
none of those alternatives worked out.

=20

After Lord Rootes passed away his brother, Reggie, assumed control. =
Reggie wanted to replace the Alpine/Tiger with a smaller sportscar that =
was similar to a Spitfire. That car, =E2=80=9CApex=E2=80=9D, had been =
designed and was very close to production when a sub-contractor tripled =
the initial cost estimate for its fiberglass body. That ended =
Rootes=E2=80=99 attempt at a replacement sportscar.

=20

The US government had long imposed standards for the cars it purchased =
for government use =E2=80=93 the GSA standards. These existing GSA =
standards were eventually adopted for all cars sold in the US. The =
Alpine/Tiger platform would have needed upgrades to comply. Tooling for =
these would have been costly on a per unit basis due to low production =
volume.=20

=20

The space used at Pressed Steel to build the Alpines and Tigers was =
needed by another Rootes vehicle which was high production and therefore =
a higher priority. Assuming Rootes would accept the cost of upgrades to =
comply with GSA standards, where could the Alpine/Tiger be built? Rootes =
looked at alternatives including moving the entire Alpine/Tiger =
production from Pressed Steel to Jensen. At one point Rootes even =
offered to purchase Jensen. Jensen refused. The move never happened. =
Rootes never found an alternate contractor to build the cars.

=20

Papworth cites all of these factors in the decision to end Tiger =
production.

=20

Buck Trippel

=20

From: Tigers <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Ross Hulse via =
Tigers
Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2020 1:57 AM
To: Curt Bowland <[email-masked]>
Cc: tigers <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Urban legend

=20

The demise of the Sunbeam Tiger was that they did not sell very well.  =
The USA import regs for cars would require expensive modifications to =
the car.  So in February 1967 the decision was made to finish the cars =
that were in the line and send them to Canada.  Everything about not =
fitting a Chrysler engine is just a rumor.=20

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and most authoritative answers to the why the Tiger was discontinued =
that I=E2=80=99ve found are in the collection of Papworth papers housed =
in the Culture Coventry Archive at the Herbert Museum in =
Coventry.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Mr Papworth was a very high level =
=E2=80=9Cplanner=E2=80=9D for Rootes. He reported to a very select =
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Rootes board. After his retirement he donated thousands(?) of pages of =
notes and memos. I=E2=80=99ve spent several days reading them and want =
to go back. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Mr. Papworth lays out a very comprehensive Tiger =
story. The Tiger represented only 2% of Rootes=E2=80=99 sales and was =
consequentially just a blip on management=E2=80=99s attention. Tigers =
were barely mentioned in board meetings as the high production Imps and =
Hillmans dominated the discussions. The Mk1s &amp; 1As sold well. The =
Mk2 that was built was not the Mk2 that the engineers had designed and =
tested (with upgraded 5-bolt 14=E2=80=9D wheels to fit 4-wheel discs, =
the same 3-puck calipers used on Aston Martins and street Cobras) and =
the resulting lack of initial sales seemed to be the straw that broke =
the camel=E2=80=99s back. But Papworth also outlines other contributing =
issues. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Rootes engineers determined that Chrysler V8s would =
not fit in a Tiger. They explored alternatives including one that would =
have been built a new =E2=80=9CTiger=E2=80=9D with fiberglass body in =
the USA. Obviously none of those alternatives worked =
out.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>After Lord Rootes passed away his brother, Reggie, =
assumed control. Reggie wanted to replace the Alpine/Tiger with a =
smaller sportscar that was similar to a Spitfire. That car, =
=E2=80=9CApex=E2=80=9D, had been designed and was very close to =
production when a sub-contractor tripled the initial cost estimate for =
its fiberglass body. That ended Rootes=E2=80=99 attempt at a replacement =
sportscar.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>The US government had long imposed standards for the =
cars it purchased for government use =E2=80=93 the GSA standards. These =
existing GSA standards were eventually adopted for all cars sold in the =
US. The Alpine/Tiger platform would have needed upgrades to comply. =
Tooling for these would have been costly on a per unit basis due to low =
production volume. <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>The space =
used at Pressed Steel to build the Alpines and Tigers was needed by =
another Rootes vehicle which was high production and therefore a higher =
priority. Assuming Rootes would accept the cost of upgrades to comply =
with GSA standards, where could the Alpine/Tiger be built? Rootes looked =
at alternatives including moving the entire Alpine/Tiger production from =
Pressed Steel to Jensen. At one point Rootes even offered to purchase =
Jensen. Jensen refused. The move never happened. Rootes never found an =
alternate contractor to build the cars.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Papworth =
cites all of these factors in the decision to end Tiger =
production.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
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Thank you Buck for settling this matter. Wish that I could spend time 
going through the archives!

Ken Tisdale

On 3/8/2020 12:30 PM, Buck Trippel via Tigers wrote:
>
> The best and most authoritative answers to the why the Tiger was 
> discontinued that I’ve found are in the collection of Papworth papers 
> housed in the Culture Coventry Archive at the Herbert Museum in Coventry.
>
> Mr Papworth was a very high level “planner” for Rootes. He reported to 
> a very select group, comprised mainly of family members who were the 
> heart of the Rootes board. After his retirement he donated 
> thousands(?) of pages of notes and memos. I’ve spent several days 
> reading them and want to go back.
>
> Mr. Papworth lays out a very comprehensive Tiger story. The Tiger 
> represented only 2% of Rootes’ sales and was consequentially just a 
> blip on management’s attention. Tigers were barely mentioned in board 
> meetings as the high production Imps and Hillmans dominated the 
> discussions. The Mk1s & 1As sold well. The Mk2 that was built was not 
> the Mk2 that the engineers had designed and tested (with upgraded 
> 5-bolt 14” wheels to fit 4-wheel discs, the same 3-puck calipers used 
> on Aston Martins and street Cobras) and the resulting lack of initial 
> sales seemed to be the straw that broke the camel’s back. But Papworth 
> also outlines other contributing issues.
>
> Rootes engineers determined that Chrysler V8s would not fit in a 
> Tiger. They explored alternatives including one that would have been 
> built a new “Tiger” with fiberglass body in the USA. Obviously none of 
> those alternatives worked out.
>
> After Lord Rootes passed away his brother, Reggie, assumed control. 
> Reggie wanted to replace the Alpine/Tiger with a smaller sportscar 
> that was similar to a Spitfire. That car, “Apex”, had been designed 
> and was very close to production when a sub-contractor tripled the 
> initial cost estimate for its fiberglass body. That ended Rootes’ 
> attempt at a replacement sportscar.
>
> The US government had long imposed standards for the cars it purchased 
> for government use – the GSA standards. These existing GSA standards 
> were eventually adopted for all cars sold in the US. The Alpine/Tiger 
> platform would have needed upgrades to comply. Tooling for these would 
> have been costly on a per unit basis due to low production volume.
>
> The space used at Pressed Steel to build the Alpines and Tigers was 
> needed by another Rootes vehicle which was high production and 
> therefore a higher priority. Assuming Rootes would accept the cost of 
> upgrades to comply with GSA standards, where could the Alpine/Tiger be 
> built? Rootes looked at alternatives including moving the entire 
> Alpine/Tiger production from Pressed Steel to Jensen. At one point 
> Rootes even offered to purchase Jensen. Jensen refused. The move never 
> happened. Rootes never found an alternate contractor to build the cars.
>
> Papworth cites all of these factors in the decision to end Tiger 
> production.
>
> Buck Trippel
>
> *From:* Tigers <[email-masked]> *On Behalf Of *Ross 
> Hulse via Tigers
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 8, 2020 1:57 AM
> *To:* Curt Bowland <[email-masked]>
> *Cc:* tigers <[email-masked]>
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Urban legend
>
> The demise of the Sunbeam Tiger was that they did not sell very well.  
> The USA import regs for cars would require expensive modifications to 
> the car.  So in February 1967 the decision was made to finish the cars 
> that were in the line and send them to Canada.  Everything about not 
> fitting a Chrysler engine is just a rumor.
>
>
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/[email-masked]
>
>
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    <p>Thank you Buck for settling this matter. Wish that I could spend
      time going through the archives!</p>
    <p>Ken Tisdale<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/8/2020 12:30 PM, Buck Trippel via
      Tigers wrote:<br>
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          the why the Tiger was discontinued that I’ve found are in the
          collection of Papworth papers housed in the Culture Coventry
          Archive at the Herbert Museum in Coventry.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Mr Papworth was a very high level “planner”
          for Rootes. He reported to a very select group, comprised
          mainly of family members who were the heart of the Rootes
          board. After his retirement he donated thousands(?) of pages
          of notes and memos. I’ve spent several days reading them and
          want to go back. <o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Mr. Papworth lays out a very comprehensive
          Tiger story. The Tiger represented only 2% of Rootes’ sales
          and was consequentially just a blip on management’s attention.
          Tigers were barely mentioned in board meetings as the high
          production Imps and Hillmans dominated the discussions. The
          Mk1s &amp; 1As sold well. The Mk2 that was built was not the
          Mk2 that the engineers had designed and tested (with upgraded
          5-bolt 14” wheels to fit 4-wheel discs, the same 3-puck
          calipers used on Aston Martins and street Cobras) and the
          resulting lack of initial sales seemed to be the straw that
          broke the camel’s back. But Papworth also outlines other
          contributing issues. <o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Rootes engineers determined that Chrysler
          V8s would not fit in a Tiger. They explored alternatives
          including one that would have been built a new “Tiger” with
          fiberglass body in the USA. Obviously none of those
          alternatives worked out.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">After Lord Rootes passed away his brother,
          Reggie, assumed control. Reggie wanted to replace the
          Alpine/Tiger with a smaller sportscar that was similar to a
          Spitfire. That car, “Apex”, had been designed and was very
          close to production when a sub-contractor tripled the initial
          cost estimate for its fiberglass body. That ended Rootes’
          attempt at a replacement sportscar.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">The US government had long imposed
          standards for the cars it purchased for government use – the
          GSA standards. These existing GSA standards were eventually
          adopted for all cars sold in the US. The Alpine/Tiger platform
          would have needed upgrades to comply. Tooling for these would
          have been costly on a per unit basis due to low production
          volume. <o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">The space used at Pressed Steel to build
          the Alpines and Tigers was needed by another Rootes vehicle
          which was high production and therefore a higher priority.
          Assuming Rootes would accept the cost of upgrades to comply
          with GSA standards, where could the Alpine/Tiger be built?
          Rootes looked at alternatives including moving the entire
          Alpine/Tiger production from Pressed Steel to Jensen. At one
          point Rootes even offered to purchase Jensen. Jensen refused.
          The move never happened. Rootes never found an alternate
          contractor to build the cars.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Papworth cites all of these factors in the
          decision to end Tiger production.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Buck Trippel<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Tigers
          <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ross
          Hulse via Tigers<br>
          <b>Sent:</b> Sunday, March 8, 2020 1:57 AM<br>
          <b>To:</b> Curt Bowland <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
          <b>Cc:</b> tigers <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
          <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Urban legend<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <div>
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                style="font-size:24.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New
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                that they did not sell very well.  The USA import regs
                for cars would require expensive modifications to the
                car.  So in February 1967 the decision was made to
                finish the cars that were in the line and send them to
                Canada.  Everything about not fitting a Chrysler engine
                is just a</span> <span
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                Roman&quot;,serif">rumor. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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I'd be curious to know if the successor Alpine (the Baby Barracuda) had 
any "Tiger-izing" considerations? While not a sports car it would have 
been an interesting concept given that the USA was in the pony car phase 
at that time. The later Alpine likely met regulations for importation at 
the time as a number of them were sold here. Then again I doubt it would 
have been Ford Small block powered. And what would have been the 
Chrysler 273/318 at the time is a rather wide small block engine. Mike 
Taylor's "The Making OF A Sports Car" states that the Humber Super Snipe 
had?? number of prototype's built with the Chrysler V8. Hence my 
curiosity regarding the possibility of a later Alpine with a Chrysler V8.

 ?? In a sense we probably need to be grateful that we got three full 
years of Tigers. If I recall correctly the imports were given a 2 year 
delay in meeting standards that I believe were mandated for '65 or '66 
for USA cars.

On 3/8/2020 1:39 PM, Ken via Tigers wrote:
>> discontinued that I???ve found are in the collection of Papworth papers 
>> Mr Papworth was a very high level ???planner??? for Rootes. He reported 
>> to a very select group, comprised mainly of family members who were 
>> the heart of the Rootes board. After his retirement he donated 
>> thousands(?) of pages of notes and memos. I???ve spent several days 
>> represented only 2% of Rootes??? sales and was consequentially just a 
>> blip on management???s attention. Tigers were barely mentioned in board 
>> 5-bolt 14??? wheels to fit 4-wheel discs, the same 3-puck calipers used 
>> sales seemed to be the straw that broke the camel???s back. But 
>> Papworth also outlines other contributing issues.
>>
>> built a new ???Tiger??? with fiberglass body in the USA. Obviously none 
>> of those alternatives worked out.
>>
>> that was similar to a Spitfire. That car, ???Apex???, had been designed 
>> initial cost estimate for its fiberglass body. That ended Rootes??? 
>> The US government had long imposed standards for the cars it 
>> purchased for government use ??? the GSA standards. These existing GSA 
>> standards were eventually adopted for all cars sold in the US. The 
>> Alpine/Tiger platform would have needed upgrades to comply. Tooling 
>> for these would have been costly on a per unit basis due to low 
>> production volume.
>>
>> upgrades to comply with GSA standards, where could the Alpine/Tiger 
>> be built? Rootes looked at alternatives including moving the entire 
>> Rootes even offered to purchase Jensen. Jensen refused. The move 
>> never happened. Rootes never found an alternate contractor to build 
>> the cars.
>>
>> The demise of the Sunbeam Tiger was that they did not sell very 
>> well.?? The USA import regs for cars would require expensive 
>> modifications to the car.?? So in February 1967 the decision was made 
>> to finish the cars that were in the line and send them to Canada.?? 
>> Everything about not fitting a Chrysler engine is just a rumor.
>>
>>
>> Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers  http://autox.team.net/archive
>>
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>>
>>
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    <p>I'd be curious to know if the successor Alpine (the Baby
      Barracuda) had any "Tiger-izing" considerations? While not a
      sports car it would have been an interesting concept given that
      the USA was in the pony car phase at that time. The later Alpine
      likely met regulations for importation at the time as a number of
      them were sold here. Then again I doubt it would have been Ford
      Small block powered. And what would have been the Chrysler 273/318
      at the time is a rather wide small block engine. Mike Taylor's
      "The Making OF A Sports Car" states that the Humber Super Snipe
      had?? number of prototype's built with the Chrysler V8. Hence my
      curiosity regarding the possibility of a later Alpine with a
      Chrysler V8.<br>
    </p>
    <p>?? In a sense we probably need to be grateful that we got three
      full years of Tigers. If I recall correctly the imports were given
      a 2 year delay in meeting standards that I believe were mandated
      for '65 or '66 for USA cars.<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/8/2020 1:39 PM, Ken via Tigers
      wrote:<br>
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      cite="mid:[email-masked]">
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      <p>Thank you Buck for settling this matter. Wish that I could
        spend time going through the archives!</p>
      <p>Ken Tisdale<br>
      </p>
      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/8/2020 12:30 PM, Buck Trippel
        via Tigers wrote:<br>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">The best and most authoritative answers
            to the why the Tiger was discontinued that I???ve found are in
            the collection of Papworth papers housed in the Culture
            Coventry Archive at the Herbert Museum in Coventry.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>??</o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">Mr Papworth was a very high level
            ???planner??? for Rootes. He reported to a very select group,
            comprised mainly of family members who were the heart of the
            Rootes board. After his retirement he donated thousands(?)
            of pages of notes and memos. I???ve spent several days reading
            them and want to go back. <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>??</o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">Mr. Papworth lays out a very
            comprehensive Tiger story. The Tiger represented only 2% of
            Rootes??? sales and was consequentially just a blip on
            management???s attention. Tigers were barely mentioned in
            board meetings as the high production Imps and Hillmans
            dominated the discussions. The Mk1s &amp; 1As sold well. The
            Mk2 that was built was not the Mk2 that the engineers had
            designed and tested (with upgraded 5-bolt 14??? wheels to fit
            4-wheel discs, the same 3-puck calipers used on Aston
            Martins and street Cobras) and the resulting lack of initial
            sales seemed to be the straw that broke the camel???s back.
            But Papworth also outlines other contributing issues. <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>??</o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">Rootes engineers determined that Chrysler
            V8s would not fit in a Tiger. They explored alternatives
            including one that would have been built a new ???Tiger??? with
            fiberglass body in the USA. Obviously none of those
            alternatives worked out.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>??</o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">After Lord Rootes passed away his
            brother, Reggie, assumed control. Reggie wanted to replace
            the Alpine/Tiger with a smaller sportscar that was similar
            to a Spitfire. That car, ???Apex???, had been designed and was
            very close to production when a sub-contractor tripled the
            initial cost estimate for its fiberglass body. That ended
            Rootes??? attempt at a replacement sportscar.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>??</o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">The US government had long imposed
            standards for the cars it purchased for government use ??? the
            GSA standards. These existing GSA standards were eventually
            adopted for all cars sold in the US. The Alpine/Tiger
            platform would have needed upgrades to comply. Tooling for
            these would have been costly on a per unit basis due to low
            production volume. <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>??</o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">The space used at Pressed Steel to build
            the Alpines and Tigers was needed by another Rootes vehicle
            which was high production and therefore a higher priority.
            Assuming Rootes would accept the cost of upgrades to comply
            with GSA standards, where could the Alpine/Tiger be built?
            Rootes looked at alternatives including moving the entire
            Alpine/Tiger production from Pressed Steel to Jensen. At one
            point Rootes even offered to purchase Jensen. Jensen
            refused. The move never happened. Rootes never found an
            alternate contractor to build the cars.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>??</o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">Papworth cites all of these factors in
            the decision to end Tiger production.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>??</o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">Buck Trippel<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>??</o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Tigers <a
              class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
              href="mailto:[email-masked]"
              moz-do-not-send="true">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a>
            <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ross Hulse via Tigers<br>
            <b>Sent:</b> Sunday, March 8, 2020 1:57 AM<br>
            <b>To:</b> Curt Bowland <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
              href="mailto:[email-masked]" moz-do-not-send="true">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
            <b>Cc:</b> tigers <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
              href="mailto:[email-masked]" moz-do-not-send="true">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
            <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Urban legend<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>??</o:p></p>
          <div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-size:24.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New
                  Roman&quot;,serif">The demise of the Sunbeam Tiger was
                  that they did not sell very well.?? The USA import regs
                  for cars would require expensive modifications to the
                  car.?? So in February 1967 the decision was made to
                  finish the cars that were in the line and send them to
                  Canada.?? Everything about not fitting a Chrysler
                  engine is just a</span>??<span
                  style="font-size:24.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New
                  Roman&quot;,serif">rumor.??</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Tom,

There were 2 v8 engined fastbacks  they were known as a Sunbeam Allegro.

On Mon., 9 Mar. 2020, 09:28 Tom Witt via Tigers, <[email-masked]>
wrote:

> any "Tiger-izing" considerations? While not a sports car it would have been
> an interesting concept given that the USA was in the pony car phase at that
> time. The later Alpine likely met regulations for importation at the time
> as a number of them were sold here. Then again I doubt it would have been
> Ford Small block powered. And what would have been the Chrysler 273/318 at
> the time is a rather wide small block engine. Mike Taylor's "The Making OF
> A Sports Car" states that the Humber Super Snipe had?? number of
> prototype's built with the Chrysler V8. Hence my curiosity regarding the
> possibility of a later Alpine with a Chrysler V8.
>
> ?? In a sense we probably need to be grateful that we got three full years
> of Tigers. If I recall correctly the imports were given a 2 year delay in
> meeting standards that I believe were mandated for '65 or '66 for USA cars.
> ??
> Mr Papworth was a very high level ???planner??? for Rootes. He reported to
> a very select group, comprised mainly of family members who were the heart
> of the Rootes board. After his retirement he donated thousands(?) of pages
> of notes and memos. I???ve spent several days reading them and want to go
> back.
>
> ??
>
> represented only 2% of Rootes??? sales and was consequentially just a blip
> on management???s attention. Tigers were barely mentioned in board meetings
> as the high production Imps and Hillmans dominated the discussions. The
> Mk1s & 1As sold well. The Mk2 that was built was not the Mk2 that the
> engineers had designed and tested (with upgraded 5-bolt 14??? wheels to fit
> 4-wheel discs, the same 3-puck calipers used on Aston Martins and street
> Cobras) and the resulting lack of initial sales seemed to be the straw that
> broke the camel???s back. But Papworth also outlines other contributing
> issues.
>
> ??
>
> Rootes engineers determined that Chrysler V8s would not fit in a Tiger.
> They explored alternatives including one that would have been built a new
> ???Tiger??? with fiberglass body in the USA. Obviously none of those
> alternatives worked out.
>
> ??
>
> After Lord Rootes passed away his brother, Reggie, assumed control. Reggie
> wanted to replace the Alpine/Tiger with a smaller sportscar that was
> similar to a Spitfire. That car, ???Apex???, had been designed and was very
> close to production when a sub-contractor tripled the initial cost estimate
> for its fiberglass body. That ended Rootes??? attempt at a replacement
> sportscar.
>
> ??
>
> The US government had long imposed standards for the cars it purchased for
> government use ??? the GSA standards. These existing GSA standards were
> eventually adopted for all cars sold in the US. The Alpine/Tiger platform
> would have needed upgrades to comply. Tooling for these would have been
> costly on a per unit basis due to low production volume.
>
> ??
>
> The space used at Pressed Steel to build the Alpines and Tigers was needed
> by another Rootes vehicle which was high production and therefore a higher
> priority. Assuming Rootes would accept the cost of upgrades to comply with
> GSA standards, where could the Alpine/Tiger be built? Rootes looked at
> alternatives including moving the entire Alpine/Tiger production from
> Pressed Steel to Jensen. At one point Rootes even offered to purchase
> Jensen. Jensen refused. The move never happened. Rootes never found an
> alternate contractor to build the cars.
>
> ??
>
> ??
> ??
> *From:* Tigers <[email-masked]>
> <[email-masked]> *On Behalf Of *Ross Hulse via Tigers
> *To:* Curt Bowland <[email-masked]> <[email-masked]>
> *Cc:* tigers <[email-masked]> <[email-masked]>
> ??
> The demise of the Sunbeam Tiger was that they did not sell very well.??
> The USA import regs for cars would require expensive modifications to the
> car.?? So in February 1967 the decision was made to finish the cars that
> were in the line and send them to Canada.?? Everything about not fitting a
> Chrysler engine is just a??rumor.??
>
> ??
>
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/[email-masked]
>
>
>

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<div dir=3D"auto">Tom,<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">There w=
ere 2 v8 engined fastbacks=C2=A0 they were known as a Sunbeam Allegro.=C2=
=A0</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gma=
il_attr">On Mon., 9 Mar. 2020, 09:28 Tom Witt via Tigers, &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px=
 #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
 =20
   =20
 =20
  <div>
    <p>I&#39;d be curious to know if the successor Alpine (the Baby
      Barracuda) had any &quot;Tiger-izing&quot; considerations? While not =
a
      sports car it would have been an interesting concept given that
      the USA was in the pony car phase at that time. The later Alpine
      likely met regulations for importation at the time as a number of
      them were sold here. Then again I doubt it would have been Ford
      Small block powered. And what would have been the Chrysler 273/318
      at the time is a rather wide small block engine. Mike Taylor&#39;s
      &quot;The Making OF A Sports Car&quot; states that the Humber Super S=
nipe
      had?? number of prototype&#39;s built with the Chrysler V8. Hence my
      curiosity regarding the possibility of a later Alpine with a
      Chrysler V8.<br>
    </p>
    <p>?? In a sense we probably need to be grateful that we got three
      full years of Tigers. If I recall correctly the imports were given
      a 2 year delay in meeting standards that I believe were mandated
      for &#39;65 or &#39;66 for USA cars.<br>
    </p>
    <div>On 3/8/2020 1:39 PM, Ken via Tigers
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
     =20
      <p>Thank you Buck for settling this matter. Wish that I could
        spend time going through the archives!</p>
      <p>Ken Tisdale<br>
      </p>
      <div>On 3/8/2020 12:30 PM, Buck Trippel
        via Tigers wrote:<br>
      </div>
      <blockquote type=3D"cite">
       =20
       =20
       =20
        <div>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal">The best and most authoritative answers
            to the why the Tiger was discontinued that I???ve found are in
            the collection of Papworth papers housed in the Culture
            Coventry Archive at the Herbert Museum in Coventry.<u></u><u></=
u></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>??<u></u></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Mr Papworth was a very high level
            ???planner??? for Rootes. He reported to a very select group,
            comprised mainly of family members who were the heart of the
            Rootes board. After his retirement he donated thousands(?)
            of pages of notes and memos. I???ve spent several days reading
            them and want to go back. <u></u><u></u></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>??<u></u></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Mr. Papworth lays out a very
            comprehensive Tiger story. The Tiger represented only 2% of
            Rootes??? sales and was consequentially just a blip on
            management???s attention. Tigers were barely mentioned in
            board meetings as the high production Imps and Hillmans
            dominated the discussions. The Mk1s &amp; 1As sold well. The
            Mk2 that was built was not the Mk2 that the engineers had
            designed and tested (with upgraded 5-bolt 14??? wheels to fit
            4-wheel discs, the same 3-puck calipers used on Aston
            Martins and street Cobras) and the resulting lack of initial
            sales seemed to be the straw that broke the camel???s back.
            But Papworth also outlines other contributing issues. <u></u><u=
></u></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>??<u></u></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Rootes engineers determined that Chrysler
            V8s would not fit in a Tiger. They explored alternatives
            including one that would have been built a new ???Tiger??? with
            fiberglass body in the USA. Obviously none of those
            alternatives worked out.<u></u><u></u></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>??<u></u></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal">After Lord Rootes passed away his
            brother, Reggie, assumed control. Reggie wanted to replace
            the Alpine/Tiger with a smaller sportscar that was similar
            to a Spitfire. That car, ???Apex???, had been designed and was
            very close to production when a sub-contractor tripled the
            initial cost estimate for its fiberglass body. That ended
            Rootes??? attempt at a replacement sportscar.<u></u><u></u></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>??<u></u></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal">The US government had long imposed
            standards for the cars it purchased for government use ??? the
            GSA standards. These existing GSA standards were eventually
            adopted for all cars sold in the US. The Alpine/Tiger
            platform would have needed upgrades to comply. Tooling for
            these would have been costly on a per unit basis due to low
            production volume. <u></u><u></u></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>??<u></u></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal">The space used at Pressed Steel to build
            the Alpines and Tigers was needed by another Rootes vehicle
            which was high production and therefore a higher priority.
            Assuming Rootes would accept the cost of upgrades to comply
            with GSA standards, where could the Alpine/Tiger be built?
            Rootes looked at alternatives including moving the entire
            Alpine/Tiger production from Pressed Steel to Jensen. At one
            point Rootes even offered to purchase Jensen. Jensen
            refused. The move never happened. Rootes never found an
            alternate contractor to build the cars.<u></u><u></u></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>??<u></u></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Papworth cites all of these factors in
            the decision to end Tiger production.<u></u><u></u></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>??<u></u></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Buck Trippel<u></u><u></u></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>??<u></u></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Tigers <a href=3D"mailto:tige=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">&lt;tigers-=
[email-masked]&gt;</a>
            <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ross Hulse via Tigers<br>
            <b>Sent:</b> Sunday, March 8, 2020 1:57 AM<br>
            <b>To:</b> Curt Bowland <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" tar=
get=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
            <b>Cc:</b> tigers <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targ=
et=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
            <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Urban legend<u></u><u></u></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>??<u></u></p>
          <div>
            <div>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>The demise of the Sunbeam Tiger =
was
                  that they did not sell very well.?? The USA import regs
                  for cars would require expensive modifications to the
                  car.?? So in February 1967 the decision was made to
                  finish the cars that were in the line and send them to
                  Canada.?? Everything about not fitting a Chrysler
                  engine is just a</span>??<span>rumor.??</span><u></u><u><=
/u></p>
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          </div>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>??<u></u></p>
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Wow.  Thanks Buck.  I've never heard of the Apex (at least that I can
remember).  Just did a search and came up with these great pictures and
info.  Love the hardtop!

http://tardis.dl.ac.uk/Mercia/killeen_book/node13.html

On Sun, Mar 8, 2020 at 11:30 AM Buck Trippel via Tigers <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> discontinued that I=E2=80=99ve found are in the collection of Papworth pa=
pers
> Mr Papworth was a very high level =E2=80=9Cplanner=E2=80=9D for Rootes. H=
e reported to a
> very select group, comprised mainly of family members who were the heart =
of
> the Rootes board. After his retirement he donated thousands(?) of pages o=
f
> notes and memos. I=E2=80=99ve spent several days reading them and want to=
 go back.
> represented only 2% of Rootes=E2=80=99 sales and was consequentially just=
 a blip on
> management=E2=80=99s attention. Tigers were barely mentioned in board mee=
tings as
> the high production Imps and Hillmans dominated the discussions. The Mk1s=
 &
> 1As sold well. The Mk2 that was built was not the Mk2 that the engineers
> had designed and tested (with upgraded 5-bolt 14=E2=80=9D wheels to fit 4=
-wheel
> discs, the same 3-puck calipers used on Aston Martins and street Cobras)
> and the resulting lack of initial sales seemed to be the straw that broke
> the camel=E2=80=99s back. But Papworth also outlines other contributing i=
ssues.
> =E2=80=9CTiger=E2=80=9D with fiberglass body in the USA. Obviously none o=
f those
> alternatives worked out.
>
>
>
> After Lord Rootes passed away his brother, Reggie, assumed control. Reggi=
e
> similar to a Spitfire. That car, =E2=80=9CApex=E2=80=9D, had been designe=
d and was very
> close to production when a sub-contractor tripled the initial cost estima=
te
> for its fiberglass body. That ended Rootes=E2=80=99 attempt at a replacem=
ent
> sportscar.
>
>
>
> The US government had long imposed standards for the cars it purchased fo=
r
> government use =E2=80=93 the GSA standards. These existing GSA standards =
were
> The space used at Pressed Steel to build the Alpines and Tigers was neede=
d
> by another Rootes vehicle which was high production and therefore a highe=
r
> priority. Assuming Rootes would accept the cost of upgrades to comply wit=
h
> *From:* Tigers <[email-masked]> *On Behalf Of *Ross Hulse
> via Tigers
> The demise of the Sunbeam Tiger was that they did not sell very well.  Th=
e
> USA import regs for cars would require expensive modifications to the car=
.
> the line and send them to Canada.  Everything about not fitting a Chrysle=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Wow.=C2=A0 Thanks Buck.=C2=A0 I&#39;ve never heard of the =
Apex (at least that I can remember).=C2=A0 Just did a search and came up wi=
th these great pictures and info.=C2=A0 Love the hardtop!<div><br></div><di=
v><a href=3D"http://tardis.dl.ac.uk/Mercia/killeen_book/node13.html">http:/=
/tardis.dl.ac.uk/Mercia/killeen_book/node13.html</a>=C2=A0</div><div>=C2=A0=
<br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gm=
ail_attr">On Sun, Mar 8, 2020 at 11:30 AM Buck Trippel via Tigers &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br=
></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;=
border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US=
"><div class=3D"gmail-m_5180423360813125264WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal">The best and most authoritative answers to the why the Tiger was disco=
ntinued that I=E2=80=99ve found are in the collection of Papworth papers ho=
used in the Culture Coventry Archive at the Herbert Museum in Coventry.<u><=
/u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal">Mr Papworth was a very high level =E2=80=9Cplanner=E2=80=9D for Ro=
otes. He reported to a very select group, comprised mainly of family member=
s who were the heart of the Rootes board. After his retirement he donated t=
housands(?) of pages of notes and memos. I=E2=80=99ve spent several days re=
ading them and want to go back. <u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u=
></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Mr. Papworth lays out a very c=
omprehensive Tiger story. The Tiger represented only 2% of Rootes=E2=80=99 =
sales and was consequentially just a blip on management=E2=80=99s attention=
. Tigers were barely mentioned in board meetings as the high production Imp=
s and Hillmans dominated the discussions. The Mk1s &amp; 1As sold well. The=
 Mk2 that was built was not the Mk2 that the engineers had designed and tes=
ted (with upgraded 5-bolt 14=E2=80=9D wheels to fit 4-wheel discs, the same=
 3-puck calipers used on Aston Martins and street Cobras) and the resulting=
 lack of initial sales seemed to be the straw that broke the camel=E2=80=99=
s back. But Papworth also outlines other contributing issues. <u></u><u></u=
></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
Rootes engineers determined that Chrysler V8s would not fit in a Tiger. The=
y explored alternatives including one that would have been built a new =E2=
=80=9CTiger=E2=80=9D with fiberglass body in the USA. Obviously none of tho=
se alternatives worked out.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">After Lord Rootes passed away his b=
rother, Reggie, assumed control. Reggie wanted to replace the Alpine/Tiger =
with a smaller sportscar that was similar to a Spitfire. That car, =E2=80=
=9CApex=E2=80=9D, had been designed and was very close to production when a=
 sub-contractor tripled the initial cost estimate for its fiberglass body. =
That ended Rootes=E2=80=99 attempt at a replacement sportscar.<u></u><u></u=
></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
The US government had long imposed standards for the cars it purchased for =
government use =E2=80=93 the GSA standards. These existing GSA standards we=
re eventually adopted for all cars sold in the US. The Alpine/Tiger platfor=
m would have needed upgrades to comply. Tooling for these would have been c=
ostly on a per unit basis due to low production volume. <u></u><u></u></p><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">The sp=
ace used at Pressed Steel to build the Alpines and Tigers was needed by ano=
ther Rootes vehicle which was high production and therefore a higher priori=
ty. Assuming Rootes would accept the cost of upgrades to comply with GSA st=
andards, where could the Alpine/Tiger be built? Rootes looked at alternativ=
es including moving the entire Alpine/Tiger production from Pressed Steel t=
o Jensen. At one point Rootes even offered to purchase Jensen. Jensen refus=
ed. The move never happened. Rootes never found an alternate contractor to =
build the cars.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u=
></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Papworth cites all of these factors in the deci=
sion to end Tiger production.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></=
u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Buck Trippel<u></u><u></u></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0=
<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
.net</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ross Hulse via Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b> Sund=
ay, March 8, 2020 1:57 AM<br><b>To:</b> Curt Bowland &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> =
tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">tiger=
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ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:24pt;font-family:&quot;Times New =
Roman&quot;,serif">The demise of the Sunbeam Tiger was that they did not se=
ll very well.=C2=A0 The USA import regs for cars would require expensive mo=
difications to the car.=C2=A0 So in February 1967 the decision was made to =
finish the cars that were in the line and send them to Canada.=C2=A0 Everyt=
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Buck,

Excellent historical data!
Thanks!

Tym McDowell

> On March 8, 2020 at 2:30 PM Buck Trippel via Tigers <[email-masked]=
t> wrote:
>=20
>=20
>     The best and most authoritative answers to the why the Tiger was disc=
ontinued that I=E2=80=99ve found are in the collection of Papworth papers h=
oused in the Culture Coventry Archive at the Herbert Museum in Coventry.
>=20
>     =20
>=20
>     Mr Papworth was a very high level =E2=80=9Cplanner=E2=80=9D for Roote=
s. He reported to a very select group, comprised mainly of family members w=
ho were the heart of the Rootes board. After his retirement he donated thou=
sands(?) of pages of notes and memos. I=E2=80=99ve spent several days readi=
ng them and want to go back.
>=20
>     =20
>=20
>     Mr. Papworth lays out a very comprehensive Tiger story. The Tiger rep=
resented only 2% of Rootes=E2=80=99 sales and was consequentially just a bl=
ip on management=E2=80=99s attention. Tigers were barely mentioned in board=
 meetings as the high production Imps and Hillmans dominated the discussion=
s. The Mk1s & 1As sold well. The Mk2 that was built was not the Mk2 that th=
e engineers had designed and tested (with upgraded 5-bolt 14=E2=80=9D wheel=
s to fit 4-wheel discs, the same 3-puck calipers used on Aston Martins and =
street Cobras) and the resulting lack of initial sales seemed to be the str=
aw that broke the camel=E2=80=99s back. But Papworth also outlines other co=
ntributing issues.
>=20
>     =20
>=20
>     Rootes engineers determined that Chrysler V8s would not fit in a Tige=
r. They explored alternatives including one that would have been built a ne=
w =E2=80=9CTiger=E2=80=9D with fiberglass body in the USA. Obviously none o=
f those alternatives worked out.
>=20
>     =20
>=20
>     After Lord Rootes passed away his brother, Reggie, assumed control. R=
eggie wanted to replace the Alpine/Tiger with a smaller sportscar that was =
similar to a Spitfire. That car, =E2=80=9CApex=E2=80=9D, had been designed =
and was very close to production when a sub-contractor tripled the initial =
cost estimate for its fiberglass body. That ended Rootes=E2=80=99 attempt a=
t a replacement sportscar.
>=20
>     =20
>=20
>     The US government had long imposed standards for the cars it purchase=
d for government use =E2=80=93 the GSA standards. These existing GSA standa=
rds were eventually adopted for all cars sold in the US. The Alpine/Tiger p=
latform would have needed upgrades to comply. Tooling for these would have =
been costly on a per unit basis due to low production volume.
>=20
>     =20
>=20
>     The space used at Pressed Steel to build the Alpines and Tigers was n=
eeded by another Rootes vehicle which was high production and therefore a h=
igher priority. Assuming Rootes would accept the cost of upgrades to comply=
 with GSA standards, where could the Alpine/Tiger be built? Rootes looked a=
t alternatives including moving the entire Alpine/Tiger production from Pre=
ssed Steel to Jensen. At one point Rootes even offered to purchase Jensen. =
Jensen refused. The move never happened. Rootes never found an alternate co=
ntractor to build the cars.
>=20
>     =20
>=20
>     Papworth cites all of these factors in the decision to end Tiger prod=
uction.
>=20
>     =20
>=20
>     Buck Trippel
>=20
>     =20
>=20
>     =20
>=20
>     From: Tigers <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Ross Hulse =
via Tigers
>     The demise of the Sunbeam Tiger was that they did not sell very well.=
  The USA import regs for cars would require expensive modifications to the=
 car.  So in February 1967 the decision was made to finish the cars that we=
re in the line and send them to Canada.  Everything about not fitting a Chr=
ysler engine is just a rumor.=20
>     Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/a=
rchive
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   Buck,
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   Excellent historical data!
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   Thanks!
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   On March 8, 2020 at 2:30 PM Buck Trippel via Tigers &lt;[email-masked]=
m.net&gt; wrote:=20
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   <div class=3D"ox-d381c2097f-WordSection1">
    <p class=3D"ox-d381c2097f-MsoNormal">The best and most authoritative an=
swers to the why the Tiger was discontinued that I=E2=80=99ve found are in =
the collection of Papworth papers housed in the Culture Coventry Archive at=
 the Herbert Museum in Coventry.</p>
    <p class=3D"ox-d381c2097f-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
    <p class=3D"ox-d381c2097f-MsoNormal">Mr Papworth was a very high level =
=E2=80=9Cplanner=E2=80=9D for Rootes. He reported to a very select group, c=
omprised mainly of family members who were the heart of the Rootes board. A=
fter his retirement he donated thousands(?) of pages of notes and memos. I=
=E2=80=99ve spent several days reading them and want to go back.</p>
    <p class=3D"ox-d381c2097f-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
    <p class=3D"ox-d381c2097f-MsoNormal">Mr. Papworth lays out a very compr=
ehensive Tiger story. The Tiger represented only 2% of Rootes=E2=80=99 sale=
s and was consequentially just a blip on management=E2=80=99s attention. Ti=
gers were barely mentioned in board meetings as the high production Imps an=
d Hillmans dominated the discussions. The Mk1s &amp; 1As sold well. The Mk2=
 that was built was not the Mk2 that the engineers had designed and tested =
(with upgraded 5-bolt 14=E2=80=9D wheels to fit 4-wheel discs, the same 3-p=
uck calipers used on Aston Martins and street Cobras) and the resulting lac=
k of initial sales seemed to be the straw that broke the camel=E2=80=99s ba=
ck. But Papworth also outlines other contributing issues.</p>
    <p class=3D"ox-d381c2097f-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
    <p class=3D"ox-d381c2097f-MsoNormal">Rootes engineers determined that C=
hrysler V8s would not fit in a Tiger. They explored alternatives including =
one that would have been built a new =E2=80=9CTiger=E2=80=9D with fiberglas=
s body in the USA. Obviously none of those alternatives worked out.</p>
    <p class=3D"ox-d381c2097f-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
    <p class=3D"ox-d381c2097f-MsoNormal">After Lord Rootes passed away his =
brother, Reggie, assumed control. Reggie wanted to replace the Alpine/Tiger=
 with a smaller sportscar that was similar to a Spitfire. That car, =E2=80=
=9CApex=E2=80=9D, had been designed and was very close to production when a=
 sub-contractor tripled the initial cost estimate for its fiberglass body. =
That ended Rootes=E2=80=99 attempt at a replacement sportscar.</p>
    <p class=3D"ox-d381c2097f-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
    <p class=3D"ox-d381c2097f-MsoNormal">The US government had long imposed=
 standards for the cars it purchased for government use =E2=80=93 the GSA s=
tandards. These existing GSA standards were eventually adopted for all cars=
 sold in the US. The Alpine/Tiger platform would have needed upgrades to co=
mply. Tooling for these would have been costly on a per unit basis due to l=
ow production volume.</p>
    <p class=3D"ox-d381c2097f-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
    <p class=3D"ox-d381c2097f-MsoNormal">The space used at Pressed Steel to=
 build the Alpines and Tigers was needed by another Rootes vehicle which wa=
s high production and therefore a higher priority. Assuming Rootes would ac=
cept the cost of upgrades to comply with GSA standards, where could the Alp=
ine/Tiger be built? Rootes looked at alternatives including moving the enti=
re Alpine/Tiger production from Pressed Steel to Jensen. At one point Roote=
s even offered to purchase Jensen. Jensen refused. The move never happened.=
 Rootes never found an alternate contractor to build the cars.</p>
    <p class=3D"ox-d381c2097f-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
    <p class=3D"ox-d381c2097f-MsoNormal">Papworth cites all of these factor=
s in the decision to end Tiger production.</p>
    <p class=3D"ox-d381c2097f-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
    <p class=3D"ox-d381c2097f-MsoNormal">Buck Trippel</p>
    <p class=3D"ox-d381c2097f-MsoNormal">&nbsp;<br></p>
    <p class=3D"ox-d381c2097f-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
    <p class=3D"ox-d381c2097f-MsoNormal"><strong>From:</strong> Tigers &lt;=
[email-masked]&gt; <strong>On Behalf Of </strong>Ross Hulse =
via Tigers<br><strong>Sent:</strong> Sunday, March 8, 2020 1:57 AM<br><stro=
ng>To:</strong> Curt Bowland &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><strong>Cc:</stron=
g> tigers &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [T=
igers] Urban legend</p>
    <p class=3D"ox-d381c2097f-MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
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      <p class=3D"ox-d381c2097f-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 24.0pt=
; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">The demise of the Sunbeam Tiger wa=
s that they did not sell very well.&nbsp; The USA import regs for cars woul=
d require expensive modifications to the car.&nbsp; So in February 1967 the=
 decision was made to finish the cars that were in the line and send them t=
o Canada.&nbsp; Everything about not fitting a Chrysler engine is just a</s=
pan>&nbsp;<span style=3D"font-size: 24.0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',=
serif;">rumor.&nbsp;</span></p>
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Thank you. Best and most thorough explanation that I've seen.Mark L
In a message dated 3/8/2020 2:30:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, tigers@autox.=
team.net writes:

The best and most authoritative answers to the why the Tiger was discontinu=
ed that I=E2=80=99ve found are in the collection of Papworth papers housed =
in the Culture Coventry Archive at the Herbert Museum in Coventry.

=C2=A0

Mr Papworth was a very high level =E2=80=9Cplanner=E2=80=9D for Rootes. He =
reported to a very select group, comprised mainly of family members who wer=
e the heart of the Rootes board. After his retirement he donated thousands(=
?) of pages of notes and memos. I=E2=80=99ve spent several days reading the=
m and want to go back.

=C2=A0

Mr. Papworth lays out a very comprehensive Tiger story. The Tiger represent=
ed only 2% of Rootes=E2=80=99 sales and was consequentially just a blip on =
management=E2=80=99s attention. Tigers were barely mentioned in board meeti=
ngs as the high production Imps and Hillmans dominated the discussions. The=
 Mk1s & 1As sold well. The Mk2 that was built was not the Mk2 that the engi=
neers had designed and tested (with upgraded 5-bolt 14=E2=80=9D wheels to f=
it 4-wheel discs, the same 3-puck calipers used on Aston Martins and street=
 Cobras) and the resulting lack of initial sales seemed to be the straw tha=
t broke the camel=E2=80=99s back. But Papworth also outlines other contribu=
ting issues.

=C2=A0

Rootes engineers determined that Chrysler V8s would not fit in a Tiger. The=
y explored alternatives including one that would have been built a new =E2=
=80=9CTiger=E2=80=9D with fiberglass body in the USA. Obviously none of tho=
se alternatives worked out.

=C2=A0

After Lord Rootes passed away his brother, Reggie, assumed control. Reggie =
wanted to replace the Alpine/Tiger with a smaller sportscar that was simila=
r to a Spitfire. That car, =E2=80=9CApex=E2=80=9D, had been designed and wa=
s very close to production when a sub-contractor tripled the initial cost e=
stimate for its fiberglass body. That ended Rootes=E2=80=99 attempt at a re=
placement sportscar.

=C2=A0

ostly on a per unit basis due to low production volume.

=C2=A0

The space used at Pressed Steel to build the Alpines and Tigers was needed =
by another Rootes vehicle which was high production and therefore a higher =
priority. Assuming Rootes would accept the cost of upgrades to comply with =
GSA standards, where could the Alpine/Tiger be built? Rootes looked at alte=
rnatives including moving the entire Alpine/Tiger production from Pressed S=
teel to Jensen. At one point Rootes even offered to purchase Jensen. Jensen=
 refused. The move never happened. Rootes never found an alternate contract=
or to build the cars.

=C2=A0

Papworth cites all of these factors in the decision to end Tiger production=
.

=C2=A0

Buck Trippel

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

From: Tigers <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Ross Hulse via Ti=
gers

=C2=A0

The demise of the Sunbeam Tiger was that they did not sell very well.=C2=A0=
 The USA import regs for cars would require expensive modifications to the =
car.=C2=A0 So in February 1967 the decision was made to finish the cars tha=
t were in the line and send them to Canada.=C2=A0 Everything about not fitt=
ing a Chrysler engine is just a=C2=A0rumor.

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<div><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14pt; color: #000000;">Thank you. Best and most thorough explanation that I've seen.</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14pt; color: #000000;">Mark L</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14pt; color: #000000;"><br></span></div>
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<div id="yiv2264497653">
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<div class="yiv2264497653WordSection1">
<p class="yiv2264497653MsoNormal">The best and most authoritative answers to the why the Tiger was discontinued that I&rsquo;ve found are in the collection of Papworth papers housed in the Culture Coventry Archive at the Herbert Museum in Coventry.</p>
<p class="yiv2264497653MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class="yiv2264497653MsoNormal">Mr Papworth was a very high level &ldquo;planner&rdquo; for Rootes. He reported to a very select group, comprised mainly of family members who were the heart of the Rootes board. After his retirement he donated thousands(?) of pages of notes and memos. I&rsquo;ve spent several days reading them and want to go back.</p>
<p class="yiv2264497653MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class="yiv2264497653MsoNormal">Mr. Papworth lays out a very comprehensive Tiger story. The Tiger represented only 2% of Rootes&rsquo; sales and was consequentially just a blip on management&rsquo;s attention. Tigers were barely mentioned in board meetings as the high production Imps and Hillmans dominated the discussions. The Mk1s &amp; 1As sold well. The Mk2 that was built was not the Mk2 that the engineers had designed and tested (with upgraded 5-bolt 14&rdquo; wheels to fit 4-wheel discs, the same 3-puck calipers used on Aston Martins and street Cobras) and the resulting lack of initial sales seemed to be the straw that broke the camel&rsquo;s back. But Papworth also outlines other contributing issues.</p>
<p class="yiv2264497653MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class="yiv2264497653MsoNormal">Rootes engineers determined that Chrysler V8s would not fit in a Tiger. They explored alternatives including one that would have been built a new &ldquo;Tiger&rdquo; with fiberglass body in the USA. Obviously none of those alternatives worked out.</p>
<p class="yiv2264497653MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class="yiv2264497653MsoNormal">After Lord Rootes passed away his brother, Reggie, assumed control. Reggie wanted to replace the Alpine/Tiger with a smaller sportscar that was similar to a Spitfire. That car, &ldquo;Apex&rdquo;, had been designed and was very close to production when a sub-contractor tripled the initial cost estimate for its fiberglass body. That ended Rootes&rsquo; attempt at a replacement sportscar.</p>
<p class="yiv2264497653MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class="yiv2264497653MsoNormal">The US government had long imposed standards for the cars it purchased for government use &ndash; the GSA standards. These existing GSA standards were eventually adopted for all cars sold in the US. The Alpine/Tiger platform would have needed upgrades to comply. Tooling for these would have been costly on a per unit basis due to low production volume.</p>
<p class="yiv2264497653MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class="yiv2264497653MsoNormal">The space used at Pressed Steel to build the Alpines and Tigers was needed by another Rootes vehicle which was high production and therefore a higher priority. Assuming Rootes would accept the cost of upgrades to comply with GSA standards, where could the Alpine/Tiger be built? Rootes looked at alternatives including moving the entire Alpine/Tiger production from Pressed Steel to Jensen. At one point Rootes even offered to purchase Jensen. Jensen refused. The move never happened. Rootes never found an alternate contractor to build the cars.</p>
<p class="yiv2264497653MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class="yiv2264497653MsoNormal">Papworth cites all of these factors in the decision to end Tiger production.</p>
<p class="yiv2264497653MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class="yiv2264497653MsoNormal">Buck Trippel</p>
<p class="yiv2264497653MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class="yiv2264497653MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<div id="yiv2264497653yqtfd70226" class="yiv2264497653yqt1890812592">
<p class="yiv2264497653MsoNormal"><strong>From:</strong> Tigers &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <strong>On Behalf Of </strong>Ross Hulse via Tigers<br clear="none"><strong>Sent:</strong> Sunday, March 8, 2020 1:57 AM<br clear="none"><strong>To:</strong> Curt Bowland &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br clear="none"><strong>Cc:</strong> tigers &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br clear="none"><strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [Tigers] Urban legend</p>
<p class="yiv2264497653MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
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<p class="yiv2264497653MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 24.0pt;">The demise of the Sunbeam Tiger was that they did not sell very well.&nbsp; The USA import regs for cars would require expensive modifications to the car.&nbsp; So in February 1967 the decision was made to finish the cars that were in the line and send them to Canada.&nbsp; Everything about not fitting a Chrysler engine is just a</span>&nbsp;<span style="font-size: 24.0pt;">rumor.<br></span></p>
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Very Lotus like!

Ken

On 3/8/2020 1:36 PM, Jay Laifman via Tigers wrote:
> remember).  Just did a search and came up with these great pictures 
> and info.  Love the hardtop!
>
> <http://tardis.dl.ac.uk/Mercia/killeen_book/node13.html>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 8, 2020 at 11:30 AM Buck Trippel via Tigers 
>
>     discontinued that I’ve found are in the collection of Papworth
>     papers housed in the Culture Coventry Archive at the Herbert
>     Museum in Coventry.
>
>     Mr Papworth was a very high level “planner” for Rootes. He
>     reported to a very select group, comprised mainly of family
>     members who were the heart of the Rootes board. After his
>     retirement he donated thousands(?) of pages of notes and memos.
>     I’ve spent several days reading them and want to go back.
>
>     represented only 2% of Rootes’ sales and was consequentially just
>     a blip on management’s attention. Tigers were barely mentioned in
>     board meetings as the high production Imps and Hillmans dominated
>     the discussions. The Mk1s & 1As sold well. The Mk2 that was built
>     was not the Mk2 that the engineers had designed and tested (with
>     upgraded 5-bolt 14” wheels to fit 4-wheel discs, the same 3-puck
>     resulting lack of initial sales seemed to be the straw that broke
>     the camel’s back. But Papworth also outlines other contributing
>     issues.
>
>     Tiger. They explored alternatives including one that would have
>     been built a new “Tiger” with fiberglass body in the USA.
>     Obviously none of those alternatives worked out.
>
>     After Lord Rootes passed away his brother, Reggie, assumed
>     control. Reggie wanted to replace the Alpine/Tiger with a smaller
>     sportscar that was similar to a Spitfire. That car, “Apex”, had
>     been designed and was very close to production when a
>     sub-contractor tripled the initial cost estimate for its
>     fiberglass body. That ended Rootes’ attempt at a replacement
>     sportscar.
>
>     purchased for government use – the GSA standards. These existing
>     GSA standards were eventually adopted for all cars sold in the US.
>     The Alpine/Tiger platform would have needed upgrades to comply.
>     Tooling for these would have been costly on a per unit basis due
>     to low production volume.
>
>     The space used at Pressed Steel to build the Alpines and Tigers
>     was needed by another Rootes vehicle which was high production and
>     therefore a higher priority. Assuming Rootes would accept the cost
>     of upgrades to comply with GSA standards, where could the
>     Alpine/Tiger be built? Rootes looked at alternatives including
>     moving the entire Alpine/Tiger production from Pressed Steel to
>     Jensen. At one point Rootes even offered to purchase Jensen.
>     Jensen refused. The move never happened. Rootes never found an
>     *From:* Tigers <[email-masked]
>     via Tigers
>     well.  The USA import regs for cars would require expensive
>     modifications to the car.  So in February 1967 the decision was
>     made to finish the cars that were in the line and send them to
>     Canada.  Everything about not fitting a Chrysler engine is just a
>     rumor.
>
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    <p>Very Lotus like!</p>
    <p>Ken<br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/8/2020 1:36 PM, Jay Laifman via
      Tigers wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Wow.  Thanks Buck.  I've never heard of the Apex
        (at least that I can remember).  Just did a search and came up
        with these great pictures and info.  Love the hardtop!
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div><a
            href="http://tardis.dl.ac.uk/Mercia/killeen_book/node13.html"
            moz-do-not-send="true">http://tardis.dl.ac.uk/Mercia/killeen_book/node13.html</a> </div>
        <div> <br>
        </div>
      </div>
      <br>
      <div class="gmail_quote">
        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Mar 8, 2020 at 11:30
          AM Buck Trippel via Tigers &lt;<a
            href="mailto:[email-masked]" moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
          wrote:<br>
        </div>
        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px
          0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
          <div lang="EN-US">
            <div class="gmail-m_5180423360813125264WordSection1">
              <p class="MsoNormal">The best and most authoritative
                answers to the why the Tiger was discontinued that I’ve
                found are in the collection of Papworth papers housed in
                the Culture Coventry Archive at the Herbert Museum in
                Coventry.</p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
              <p class="MsoNormal">Mr Papworth was a very high level
                “planner” for Rootes. He reported to a very select
                group, comprised mainly of family members who were the
                heart of the Rootes board. After his retirement he
                donated thousands(?) of pages of notes and memos. I’ve
                spent several days reading them and want to go back. </p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
              <p class="MsoNormal">Mr. Papworth lays out a very
                comprehensive Tiger story. The Tiger represented only 2%
                of Rootes’ sales and was consequentially just a blip on
                management’s attention. Tigers were barely mentioned in
                board meetings as the high production Imps and Hillmans
                dominated the discussions. The Mk1s &amp; 1As sold well.
                The Mk2 that was built was not the Mk2 that the
                engineers had designed and tested (with upgraded 5-bolt
                14” wheels to fit 4-wheel discs, the same 3-puck
                calipers used on Aston Martins and street Cobras) and
                the resulting lack of initial sales seemed to be the
                straw that broke the camel’s back. But Papworth also
                outlines other contributing issues. </p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
              <p class="MsoNormal">Rootes engineers determined that
                Chrysler V8s would not fit in a Tiger. They explored
                alternatives including one that would have been built a
                new “Tiger” with fiberglass body in the USA. Obviously
                none of those alternatives worked out.</p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
              <p class="MsoNormal">After Lord Rootes passed away his
                brother, Reggie, assumed control. Reggie wanted to
                replace the Alpine/Tiger with a smaller sportscar that
                was similar to a Spitfire. That car, “Apex”, had been
                designed and was very close to production when a
                sub-contractor tripled the initial cost estimate for its
                fiberglass body. That ended Rootes’ attempt at a
                replacement sportscar.</p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
              <p class="MsoNormal">The US government had long imposed
                standards for the cars it purchased for government use –
                the GSA standards. These existing GSA standards were
                eventually adopted for all cars sold in the US. The
                Alpine/Tiger platform would have needed upgrades to
                comply. Tooling for these would have been costly on a
                per unit basis due to low production volume. </p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
              <p class="MsoNormal">The space used at Pressed Steel to
                build the Alpines and Tigers was needed by another
                Rootes vehicle which was high production and therefore a
                higher priority. Assuming Rootes would accept the cost
                of upgrades to comply with GSA standards, where could
                the Alpine/Tiger be built? Rootes looked at alternatives
                including moving the entire Alpine/Tiger production from
                Pressed Steel to Jensen. At one point Rootes even
                offered to purchase Jensen. Jensen refused. The move
                never happened. Rootes never found an alternate
                contractor to build the cars.</p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
              <p class="MsoNormal">Papworth cites all of these factors
                in the decision to end Tiger production.</p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
              <p class="MsoNormal">Buck Trippel</p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Tigers &lt;<a
                  href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
                <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ross Hulse via Tigers<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Sunday, March 8, 2020 1:57 AM<br>
                <b>To:</b> Curt Bowland &lt;<a
                  href="mailto:[email-masked]" target="_blank"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
                <b>Cc:</b> tigers &lt;<a
                  href="mailto:[email-masked]" target="_blank"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Urban legend</p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
              <div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                      style="font-size:24pt;font-family:&quot;Times New
                      Roman&quot;,serif">The demise of the Sunbeam Tiger
                      was that they did not sell very well.  The USA
                      import regs for cars would require expensive
                      modifications to the car.  So in February 1967 the
                      decision was made to finish the cars that were in
                      the line and send them to Canada.  Everything
                      about not fitting a Chrysler engine is just a</span> <span
                      style="font-size:24pt;font-family:&quot;Times New
                      Roman&quot;,serif">rumor. </span></p>
                </div>
              </div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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 Not sure about the aerodynamics of that front end on the Apex. Looks like =
lots of lift at speed.

Gary     On Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 12:54:14 AM MDT, Jay Laifman via Tiger=
s <[email-masked]> wrote: =20
=20
 Wow.=C2=A0 Thanks Buck.=C2=A0 I've never heard of the Apex (at least that =
I can remember).=C2=A0 Just did a search and came up with these great pictu=
res and info.=C2=A0 Love the hardtop!
http://tardis.dl.ac.uk/Mercia/killeen_book/node13.html=C2=A0=C2=A0

On Sun, Mar 8, 2020 at 11:30 AM Buck Trippel via Tigers <[email-masked].=
net> wrote:

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m and want to go back.=20

=C2=A0

ting issues.=20

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

ostly on a per unit basis due to low production volume.=20

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=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Buck Trippel

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=C2=A0

=C2=A0

ing a Chrysler engine is just a=C2=A0rumor.=C2=A0

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<div>                Not sure about the aerodynamics of that front end on t=
he Apex. Looks like lots of lift at speed.<br><br>Gary            </div>   =
         <div class=3D"yahoo_quoted" style=3D"margin: 10px 0px 0px 0.8ex; p=
adding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width:=
 1px; border-left-style: solid;">                        <div style=3D'colo=
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erif; font-size: 13px;'>                                <div>              =
      On Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 12:54:14 AM MDT, Jay Laifman via Tigers &=
lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:                </div>                <d=
iv><br></div>                <div><br></div>                <div><div id=3D=
"yiv0350947643"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Wow.&nbsp; Thanks Buck.&nbsp; I've ne=
ver heard of the Apex (at least that I can remember).&nbsp; Just did a sear=
ch and came up with these great pictures and info.&nbsp; Love the hardtop!<=
div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div><a href=3D"http://tardis.dl.ac.uk/Mercia/=
killeen_book/node13.html" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect"=
>http://tardis.dl.ac.uk/Mercia/killeen_book/node13.html</a>&nbsp;</div><div=
>&nbsp;<br clear=3D"none"></div></div><br clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"yiv0=
350947643gmail_quote"><div class=3D"yiv0350947643yqt2499538060" id=3D"yiv03=
50947643yqt55116"><div class=3D"yiv0350947643gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Sun=
, Mar 8, 2020 at 11:30 AM Buck Trippel via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tig=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymail=
to=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br=
 clear=3D"none"></div><blockquote class=3D"yiv0350947643gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(20=
4, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;"><div lang=
=3D"EN-US"><div class=3D"yiv0350947643gmail-m_5180423360813125264WordSectio=
n1"><p class=3D"yiv0350947643MsoNormal">The best and most authoritative ans=
wers to the why the Tiger was discontinued that I=E2=80=99ve found are in t=
he collection of Papworth papers housed in the Culture Coventry Archive at =
the Herbert Museum in Coventry.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"yiv0350947643M=
soNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p><p class=3D"yiv0350947643MsoNormal">Mr Pa=
pworth was a very high level =E2=80=9Cplanner=E2=80=9D for Rootes. He repor=
ted to a very select group, comprised mainly of family members who were the=
 heart of the Rootes board. After his retirement he donated thousands(?) of=
 pages of notes and memos. I=E2=80=99ve spent several days reading them and=
 want to go back. <u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"yiv0350947643MsoNormal"><u>=
</u>&nbsp;<u></u></p><p class=3D"yiv0350947643MsoNormal">Mr. Papworth lays =
out a very comprehensive Tiger story. The Tiger represented only 2% of Root=
es=E2=80=99 sales and was consequentially just a blip on management=E2=80=
=99s attention. Tigers were barely mentioned in board meetings as the high =
production Imps and Hillmans dominated the discussions. The Mk1s &amp; 1As =
sold well. The Mk2 that was built was not the Mk2 that the engineers had de=
signed and tested (with upgraded 5-bolt 14=E2=80=9D wheels to fit 4-wheel d=
iscs, the same 3-puck calipers used on Aston Martins and street Cobras) and=
 the resulting lack of initial sales seemed to be the straw that broke the =
camel=E2=80=99s back. But Papworth also outlines other contributing issues.=
 <u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"yiv0350947643MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u>=
</p><p class=3D"yiv0350947643MsoNormal">Rootes engineers determined that Ch=
rysler V8s would not fit in a Tiger. They explored alternatives including o=
ne that would have been built a new =E2=80=9CTiger=E2=80=9D with fiberglass=
 body in the USA. Obviously none of those alternatives worked out.<u></u><u=
></u></p><p class=3D"yiv0350947643MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p><p cla=
ss=3D"yiv0350947643MsoNormal">After Lord Rootes passed away his brother, Re=
ggie, assumed control. Reggie wanted to replace the Alpine/Tiger with a sma=
ller sportscar that was similar to a Spitfire. That car, =E2=80=9CApex=E2=
=80=9D, had been designed and was very close to production when a sub-contr=
actor tripled the initial cost estimate for its fiberglass body. That ended=
 Rootes=E2=80=99 attempt at a replacement sportscar.<u></u><u></u></p><p cl=
ass=3D"yiv0350947643MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p><p class=3D"yiv03509=
47643MsoNormal">The US government had long imposed standards for the cars i=
t purchased for government use =E2=80=93 the GSA standards. These existing =
GSA standards were eventually adopted for all cars sold in the US. The Alpi=
ne/Tiger platform would have needed upgrades to comply. Tooling for these w=
ould have been costly on a per unit basis due to low production volume. <u>=
</u><u></u></p><p class=3D"yiv0350947643MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>=
<p class=3D"yiv0350947643MsoNormal">The space used at Pressed Steel to buil=
d the Alpines and Tigers was needed by another Rootes vehicle which was hig=
h production and therefore a higher priority. Assuming Rootes would accept =
the cost of upgrades to comply with GSA standards, where could the Alpine/T=
iger be built? Rootes looked at alternatives including moving the entire Al=
pine/Tiger production from Pressed Steel to Jensen. At one point Rootes eve=
n offered to purchase Jensen. Jensen refused. The move never happened. Root=
es never found an alternate contractor to build the cars.<u></u><u></u></p>=
<p class=3D"yiv0350947643MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p><p class=3D"yiv=
0350947643MsoNormal">Papworth cites all of these factors in the decision to=
 end Tiger production.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"yiv0350947643MsoNormal"=
><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p><p class=3D"yiv0350947643MsoNormal">Buck Trippel<u=
></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"yiv0350947643MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p c=
lass=3D"yiv0350947643MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p><p class=3D"yiv0350=
947643MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tigers-bounces@a=
utox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt=
; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ross Hulse via Tigers<br clear=3D"none"><b>Sent:</b> =
Sunday, March 8, 2020 1:57 AM<br clear=3D"none"><b>To:</b> Curt Bowland &lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" sha=
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Normal"><span style=3D"font-size: 24pt;">The demise of the Sunbeam Tiger wa=
s that they did not sell very well.&nbsp; The USA import regs for cars woul=
d require expensive modifications to the car.&nbsp; So in February 1967 the=
 decision was made to finish the cars that were in the line and send them t=
o Canada.&nbsp; Everything about not fitting a Chrysler engine is just a</s=
pan>&nbsp;<span style=3D"font-size: 24pt;">rumor.&nbsp;</span><u></u><u></u=
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