Subject: Re: [Tigers] Urban legend

From: Jim B via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2020 21:17:45 -0700

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> Geez Buck, now what will we talk about? Just kidding. Ya know, =
Chrysler really didn=E2=80=99t have much of a choice really. With all =
the fitment issues and the new standards it was probably the right =
choice, or the only choice. What I tend to ponder is, where things might =
have gone with the Tiger if circumstances were different. Shelby =
involvement? Ford involvement? Rootes remaining solvent? Just rambling =
about the what IFs. Cheers=20
>=20
> Thank you Buck for settling this matter. Wish that I could spend time =
going through the archives!
>=20
> Ken Tisdale
>=20
> On 3/8/2020 12:30 PM, Buck Trippel via Tigers wrote:
>> The best and most authoritative answers to the why the Tiger was =
discontinued that I=E2=80=99ve found are in the collection of Papworth =
papers housed in the Culture Coventry Archive at the Herbert Museum in =
Coventry.
>> =20
>> Mr Papworth was a very high level =E2=80=9Cplanner=E2=80=9D for =
Rootes. He reported to a very select group, comprised mainly of family =
members who were the heart of the Rootes board. After his retirement he =
donated thousands(?) of pages of notes and memos. I=E2=80=99ve spent =
several days reading them and want to go back.
>> =20
>> Mr. Papworth lays out a very comprehensive Tiger story. The Tiger =
represented only 2% of Rootes=E2=80=99 sales and was consequentially =
just a blip on management=E2=80=99s attention. Tigers were barely =
mentioned in board meetings as the high production Imps and Hillmans =
dominated the discussions. The Mk1s & 1As sold well. The Mk2 that was =
built was not the Mk2 that the engineers had designed and tested (with =
upgraded 5-bolt 14=E2=80=9D wheels to fit 4-wheel discs, the same 3-puck =
calipers used on Aston Martins and street Cobras) and the resulting lack =
of initial sales seemed to be the straw that broke the camel=E2=80=99s =
back. But Papworth also outlines other contributing issues.
>> =20
>> Rootes engineers determined that Chrysler V8s would not fit in a =
Tiger. They explored alternatives including one that would have been =
built a new =E2=80=9CTiger=E2=80=9D with fiberglass body in the USA. =
Obviously none of those alternatives worked out.
>> =20
>> After Lord Rootes passed away his brother, Reggie, assumed control. =
Reggie wanted to replace the Alpine/Tiger with a smaller sportscar that =
was similar to a Spitfire. That car, =E2=80=9CApex=E2=80=9D, had been =
designed and was very close to production when a sub-contractor tripled =
the initial cost estimate for its fiberglass body. That ended Rootes=E2=80=
=99 attempt at a replacement sportscar.
>> =20
>> The US government had long imposed standards for the cars it =
purchased for government use =E2=80=93 the           GSA standards. =
These existing GSA standards were eventually adopted for all cars sold =
in the US. The Alpine/Tiger platform would have needed upgrades to =
comply. Tooling for these would have been costly on a per unit basis due =
to low production volume.
>> =20
>> The space used at Pressed Steel to build the Alpines and Tigers was =
needed by another Rootes vehicle which was high production and therefore =
a higher priority. Assuming Rootes would accept the cost of upgrades to =
comply with GSA standards, where could the Alpine/Tiger be built? Rootes =
looked at alternatives including moving the entire Alpine/Tiger =
production from Pressed Steel to Jensen. At one point Rootes even =
offered to purchase Jensen. Jensen refused. The move never happened. =
Rootes never found an alternate contractor to build the cars.
>> =20
>> Papworth cites all of these factors in the decision to end Tiger =
production.
>> =20
>> Buck Trippel
>> =20
>> From: Tigers <[email-masked]> =
Tigers
>> Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2020 1:57 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Urban legend
>> =20
>> The demise of the Sunbeam Tiger was that they did not sell very well. =
 The USA import regs for cars would require expensive modifications to =
the car.  So in February 1967 the decision was made to finish the cars =
that were in the line and send them to Canada.  Everything about not =
fitting a Chrysler engine is just a rumor.=20
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class=3D""><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><font size=3D"4" class=3D"">Geez =
Buck, now what will we talk about? Just kidding. Ya know, =
Chrysler&nbsp;really&nbsp;didn=E2=80=99t have much&nbsp;of a choice =
really. With all&nbsp;the fitment issues and the new standards it was =
probably the right choice, or the only&nbsp;choice. What I tend to =
ponder is, where things might have gone with the Tiger if circumstances =
were different. Shelby&nbsp;involvement? =
Ford&nbsp;involvement?&nbsp;Rootes&nbsp;remaining solvent? Just rambling =
about the what IFs.&nbsp;Cheers&nbsp;</font></div><div style=3D"font-size:=
 100%;" dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div></div><p class=3D"">Thank you Buck for settling this =
matter. Wish that I could spend
      time going through the archives!</p><p class=3D"">Ken Tisdale<br =
class=3D"">
    </p>
    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 3/8/2020 12:30 PM, Buck Trippel =
via
      Tigers wrote:<br class=3D"">
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      <div class=3D"WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">The best and =
most authoritative answers to
          the why the Tiger was discontinued that I=E2=80=99ve found are =
in the
          collection of Papworth papers housed in the Culture Coventry
          Archive at the Herbert Museum in Coventry.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Mr Papworth was a very =
high level =E2=80=9Cplanner=E2=80=9D
          for Rootes. He reported to a very select group, comprised
          mainly of family members who were the heart of the Rootes
          board. After his retirement he donated thousands(?) of pages
          of notes and memos. I=E2=80=99ve spent several days reading =
them and
          want to go back. <o:p class=3D""></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Mr. Papworth lays out a very comprehensive
          Tiger story. The Tiger represented only 2% of Rootes=E2=80=99 =
sales
          and was consequentially just a blip on management=E2=80=99s =
attention.
          Tigers were barely mentioned in board meetings as the high
          production Imps and Hillmans dominated the discussions. The
          Mk1s &amp; 1As sold well. The Mk2 that was built was not the
          Mk2 that the engineers had designed and tested (with upgraded
          5-bolt 14=E2=80=9D wheels to fit 4-wheel discs, the same =
3-puck
          calipers used on Aston Martins and street Cobras) and the
          resulting lack of initial sales seemed to be the straw that
          broke the camel=E2=80=99s back. But Papworth also outlines =
other
          contributing issues. <o:p class=3D""></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Rootes engineers determined that Chrysler
          V8s would not fit in a Tiger. They explored alternatives
          including one that would have been built a new =E2=80=9CTiger=E2=
=80=9D with
          fiberglass body in the USA. Obviously none of those
          alternatives worked out.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">After Lord Rootes passed away his brother,
          Reggie, assumed control. Reggie wanted to replace the
          Alpine/Tiger with a smaller sportscar that was similar to a
          Spitfire. That car, =E2=80=9CApex=E2=80=9D, had been designed =
and was very
          close to production when a sub-contractor tripled the initial
          cost estimate for its fiberglass body. That ended Rootes=E2=80=99=

          attempt at a replacement sportscar.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">The US government had long imposed
          standards for the cars it purchased for government use =E2=80=93=
 the
          GSA standards. These existing GSA standards were eventually
          adopted for all cars sold in the US. The Alpine/Tiger platform
          would have needed upgrades to comply. Tooling for these would
          have been costly on a per unit basis due to low production
          volume. <o:p class=3D""></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">The space used at =
Pressed Steel to build
          the Alpines and Tigers was needed by another Rootes vehicle
          which was high production and therefore a higher priority.
          Assuming Rootes would accept the cost of upgrades to comply
          with GSA standards, where could the Alpine/Tiger be built?
          Rootes looked at alternatives including moving the entire
          Alpine/Tiger production from Pressed Steel to Jensen. At one
          point Rootes even offered to purchase Jensen. Jensen refused.
          The move never happened. Rootes never found an alternate
          contractor to build the cars.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Papworth cites all of these factors in the
          decision to end Tiger production.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Buck Trippel<o:p class=3D""></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p class=3D""></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p=
 class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b class=3D"">From:</b>=
 Tigers
          <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]=
m.net&gt;</a> <b class=3D"">On Behalf Of </b>Ross
          Hulse via Tigers<br class=3D"">
          <b class=3D"">Sent:</b> Sunday, March 8, 2020 1:57 AM<br =
class=3D"">
          <b class=3D"">To:</b> Curt Bowland <a =
class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br =
class=3D"">
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href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br=
 class=3D"">
          <b class=3D"">Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Urban legend<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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          <div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:24.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New
                Roman&quot;,serif" class=3D"">The demise of the Sunbeam =
Tiger was
                that they did not sell very well.&nbsp; The USA import =
regs
                for cars would require expensive modifications to the
                car.&nbsp; So in February 1967 the decision was made to
                finish the cars that were in the line and send them to
                Canada.&nbsp; Everything about not fitting a Chrysler =
engine
                is just a</span>&nbsp;<span =
style=3D"font-size:24.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New
                Roman&quot;,serif" class=3D"">rumor.&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></p>
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From: Ron Fraser via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2020 11:03:11 -0400

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Jim

                It would have definitely been nice if Shelby American =
remained involved with Rootes and the Tiger program.

Seems to me Shelby American had a list of improvements for the Tiger.

I=E2=80=99m not sure if that list is available in the Shelby American =
archive or elsewhere but it would be nice to read that list.

I=E2=80=99m sure suspension improvement were on that list.

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Anyone know if that Shelby American Tiger improvement list is available?

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Ron Fraser

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From: Tigers <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Jim B via =
Tigers
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 12:18 AM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Urban legend

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Geez Buck, now what will we talk about? Just kidding. Ya know, Chrysler =
really didn=E2=80=99t have much of a choice really. With all the fitment =
issues and the new standards it was probably the right choice, or the =
only choice. What I tend to ponder is, where things might have gone with =
the Tiger if circumstances were different. Shelby involvement? Ford =
involvement? Rootes remaining solvent? Just rambling about the what IFs. =
Cheers=20

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class=3DMsoNormal>Jim<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 It would have definitely been nice if =
Shelby American remained involved with Rootes and the Tiger =
program.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Seems to me Shelby American =
had a list of improvements for the Tiger.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I=E2=80=99m not sure if that list is available in the =
Shelby American archive or elsewhere but it would be nice to read that =
list.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I=E2=80=99m sure suspension =
improvement were on that list.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Anyone know =
if that Shelby American Tiger improvement list is =
available?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Ron Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Tigers =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jim B via =
Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 12, 2020 12:18 AM<br><b>To:</b> =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Urban =
legend<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:13.5pt'>Geez Buck, now what =
will we talk about? Just kidding. Ya know, =
Chrysler&nbsp;really&nbsp;didn=E2=80=99t have much&nbsp;of a choice =
really. With all&nbsp;the fitment issues and the new standards it was =
probably the right choice, or the only&nbsp;choice. What I tend to =
ponder is, where things might have gone with the Tiger if circumstances =
were different. Shelby&nbsp;involvement? =
Ford&nbsp;involvement?&nbsp;Rootes&nbsp;remaining solvent? Just rambling =
about the what =
IFs.&nbsp;Cheers&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p =
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Seems to me Shelby couldn't get his race car to work.  It would have 
been nice if Doane Spencer was involved.
I heard him talk and tell us he expected they would have made a new 
crossmember and put in more
welds as a minimum.  His race car was the one to beat.
Gary

On 3/13/2020 8:03 AM, Ron Fraser via Tigers wrote:
>
> Jim
>
>                 It would have definitely been nice if Shelby American 
> I’m not sure if that list is available in the Shelby American archive 
> or elsewhere but it would be nice to read that list.
>
> I’m sure suspension improvement were on that list.
>
> *From:* Tigers <[email-masked]> *On Behalf Of *Jim B 
> via Tigers
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 12:18 AM
> *To:* [email-masked]
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Urban legend
>
>     Geez Buck, now what will we talk about? Just kidding. Ya know,
>     Chrysler really didn’t have much of a choice really. With all the
>     fitment issues and the new standards it was probably the right
>     choice, or the only choice. What I tend to ponder is, where things
>     might have gone with the Tiger if circumstances were different.
>     Shelby involvement? Ford involvement? Rootes remaining solvent?
>     Just rambling about the what IFs. Cheers
>
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    Seems to me Shelby couldn't get his race car to work.  It would have
    been nice if Doane Spencer was involved.<br>
    I heard him talk and tell us he expected they would have made a new
    crossmember and put in more<br>
    welds as a minimum.  His race car was the one to beat.<br>
    Gary<br>
    <br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal">                It would have definitely
          been nice if Shelby American remained involved with Rootes and
          the Tiger program.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Seems to me Shelby American had a list of
          improvements for the Tiger.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">I’m not sure if that list is available in
          the Shelby American archive or elsewhere but it would be nice
          to read that list.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">I’m sure suspension improvement were on
          that list.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Anyone know if that Shelby American Tiger
          improvement list is available?<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Ron Fraser<o:p></o:p></p>
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              B via Tigers<br>
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              <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">Geez
                    Buck, now what will we talk about? Just kidding. Ya
                    know, Chrysler really didn’t have much of a choice
                    really. With all the fitment issues and the new
                    standards it was probably the right choice, or the
                    only choice. What I tend to ponder is, where things
                    might have gone with the Tiger if circumstances were
                    different. Shelby involvement?
                    Ford involvement? Rootes remaining solvent? Just
                    rambling about the what IFs. Cheers </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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/"Seems to me Shelby American had a list of improvements for the Tiger."/

I've never heard of this list but perhaps I missed something that 
occurred later on. Since I edited the George Boskoff video from when he 
spoke at Mammoth I got to repeatedly hear what George said. He basically 
implied that Shelby dumped the Alpine V-8 conversion on him and Shelby 
had little interaction. When I believe it was John Panks came to pick up 
the car it was George, not Shelby that took him for the test drive. When 
done he asked George for the official drawings and George humbly replied 
that, "Well..., I have a few templates in a box."

I hope I'm not coming across as contentious. Perhaps later on there was 
interaction with Rootes and Shelby for improvements but at least 
originally it seems Shelby did the job for the money and primarily 
placed it into Boskoff's lap. From that point on  George said he never 
saw the car again (until Mammoth).
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    <p><i>"Seems to me Shelby American had a list of improvements for
        the Tiger."</i></p>
    <p>I've never heard of this list but perhaps I missed something that
      occurred later on. Since I edited the George Boskoff video from
      when he spoke at Mammoth I got to repeatedly hear what George
      said. He basically implied that Shelby dumped the Alpine V-8
      conversion on him and Shelby had little interaction. When I
      believe it was John Panks came to pick up the car it was George,
      not Shelby that took him for the test drive. When done he asked
      George for the official drawings and George humbly replied that,
      "Well..., I have a few templates in a box."</p>
    <p>I hope I'm not coming across as contentious. Perhaps later on
      there was interaction with Rootes and Shelby for improvements but
      at least originally it seems Shelby did the job for the money and
      primarily placed it into Boskoff's lap. From that point on  George
      said he never saw the car again (until Mammoth).<br>
      <i></i></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal">                It would have definitely
          been nice if Shelby American remained involved with Rootes and
          the Tiger program.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Seems to me Shelby American had a list of
          improvements for the Tiger.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">I’m not sure if that list is available in
          the Shelby American archive or elsewhere but it would be nice
          to read that list.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">I’m sure suspension improvement were on
          that list.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Anyone know if that Shelby American Tiger
          improvement list is available?<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Ron Fraser<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br>
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                    Buck, now what will we talk about? Just kidding. Ya
                    know, Chrysler really didn’t have much of a choice
                    really. With all the fitment issues and the new
                    standards it was probably the right choice, or the
                    only choice. What I tend to ponder is, where things
                    might have gone with the Tiger if circumstances were
                    different. Shelby involvement?
                    Ford involvement? Rootes remaining solvent? Just
                    rambling about the what IFs. Cheers </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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David
	No, not the FIA paperwork.   Those deal with the stock parts allowed for racing configurations.

Seems to me I read an article that was a follow up to Shelby American's proposal to build the Tiger and there was a list of recommended improvements.

Ron Fraser

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Would that be the FIA homologation papers?

David Franchi

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Jim
                It would have definitely been nice if Shelby American remained involved with Rootes and the Tiger program.
Seems to me Shelby American had a list of improvements for the Tiger.
I’m not sure if that list is available in the Shelby American archive or elsewhere but it would be nice to read that list.
I’m sure suspension improvement were on that list.

Ron Fraser
 
From: Tigers <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Jim B via Tigers
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To: [email-masked]
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> Geez Buck, now what will we talk about? Just kidding. Ya know, Chrysler really didn’t have much of a choice really. With all the fitment issues and the new standards it was probably the right choice, or the only choice. What I tend to ponder is, where things might have gone with the Tiger if circumstances were different. Shelby involvement? Ford involvement? Rootes remaining solvent? Just rambling about the what IFs. Cheers 
>   

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                Generally I state Shelby American because Carroll was =
the face and the voice of Shelby American and not always hands on.   He =
hired the right people to do the hands on work and designs.

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As I understand it Shelby American made a proposal to build the Tiger =
=E2=80=93 that did not happen.   I also believe there was a list of =
improvement ideas for the Tiger that was generated within Shelby =
American if they got the Tiger build.

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Maybe I remember wrong =E2=80=93 old timers syndrome creeping in.

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Ron Fraser

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"Seems to me Shelby American had a list of improvements for the Tiger."

I've never heard of this list but perhaps I missed something that =
occurred later on. Since I edited the George Boskoff video from when he =
spoke at Mammoth I got to repeatedly hear what George said. He basically =
implied that Shelby dumped the Alpine V-8 conversion on him and Shelby =
had little interaction. When I believe it was John Panks came to pick up =
the car it was George, not Shelby that took him for the test drive. When =
done he asked George for the official drawings and George humbly replied =
that, "Well..., I have a few templates in a box."

I hope I'm not coming across as contentious. Perhaps later on there was =
interaction with Rootes and Shelby for improvements but at least =
originally it seems Shelby did the job for the money and primarily =
placed it into Boskoff's lap. From that point on  George said he never =
saw the car again (until Mammoth).

Jim

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because Carroll was the face and the voice of Shelby American and not =
always hands on.=C2=A0=C2=A0 He hired the right people to do the hands =
on work and designs.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>As I =
understand it Shelby American made a proposal to build the Tiger =
=E2=80=93 that did not happen.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I also believe there was a =
list of improvement ideas for the Tiger that was generated within Shelby =
American if they got the Tiger build.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Maybe I =
remember wrong =E2=80=93 old timers syndrome creeping =
in.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Ron Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Tigers =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Tom Witt via =
Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 13, 2020 1:19 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Urban =
legend<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p><i>&quot;Seems to me Shelby =
American had a list of improvements for the =
Tiger.&quot;</i><o:p></o:p></p><p>I've never heard of this list but =
perhaps I missed something that occurred later on. Since I edited the =
George Boskoff video from when he spoke at Mammoth I got to repeatedly =
hear what George said. He basically implied that Shelby dumped the =
Alpine V-8 conversion on him and Shelby had little interaction. When I =
believe it was John Panks came to pick up the car it was George, not =
Shelby that took him for the test drive. When done he asked George for =
the official drawings and George humbly replied that, &quot;Well..., I =
have a few templates in a box.&quot;<o:p></o:p></p><p>I hope I'm not =
coming across as contentious. Perhaps later on there was interaction =
with Rootes and Shelby for improvements but at least originally it seems =
Shelby did the job for the money and primarily placed it into Boskoff's =
lap. From that point on&nbsp; George said he never saw the car again =
(until Mammoth).<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On 3/13/2020 =
8:03 AM, Ron Fraser via Tigers wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Jim<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; It would have definitely been nice =
if Shelby American remained involved with Rootes and the Tiger =
program.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Seems to me Shelby American =
had a list of improvements for the Tiger.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I=E2=80=99m not sure if that list is available in the =
Shelby American archive or elsewhere but it would be nice to read that =
list.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I=E2=80=99m sure suspension =
improvement were on that list.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Anyone know =
if that Shelby American Tiger improvement list is =
available?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
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really. With all&nbsp;the fitment issues and the new standards it was =
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Hi Tiger People -I want to replace my worn engine tag.=C2=A0 I got a fresh =
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I had an engraver do mine back in 1987. He had the correct punches in 
the "right" font

Ken

On 3/13/2020 1:49 PM, Randall Antosiak via Tigers wrote:
>> Hi Tiger People -
>> I want to replace my worn engine tag.  I got a fresh tag from Rick, 
>> but the problem is that I cannot find a way to stamp the new tag with 
>> the engine info.  Anyone have a solution?
>> Thanks,
>> Randy
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    <p>I had an engraver do mine back in 1987. He had the correct
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                      worn engine tag.  I got a fresh tag from Rick, but
                      the problem is that I cannot find a way to stamp
                      the new tag with the engine info.  Anyone have a
                      solution?</div>
                    <div
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                Its possible but don=E2=80=99t know for sure =E2=80=93 =
the Cleveland Foundry may have used a war surplus dog tag machine for =
these.

I=E2=80=99m just throwing that out there for the possibility.   Ford =
made war produces and they all needed tags so some sort of war surplus =
machine is possible maybe one Ford already had on hand.

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Ron Fraser

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From: Tigers <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Randall =
Antosiak via Tigers
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 3:49 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [Tigers] Request: Engine Tag Stamping

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Hi Tiger People -

I want to replace my worn engine tag.  I got a fresh tag from Rick, but =
the problem is that I cannot find a way to stamp the new tag with the =
engine info.  Anyone have a solution?

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Randy

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tag machine for these.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I=E2=80=99m =
just throwing that out there for the possibility.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Ford made =
war produces and they all needed tags so some sort of war surplus =
machine is possible maybe one Ford already had on hand.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Ron =
Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Tigers =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Randall =
Antosiak via Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 13, 2020 3:49 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> [email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> [Tigers] =
Request: Engine Tag Stamping<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><blockquote><div><div><d=
iv><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Hi Tiger People -<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>I want to replace my worn engine tag.&nbsp; I got a fresh tag from =
Rick, but the problem is that I cannot find a way to stamp the new tag =
with the engine info.&nbsp; Anyone have a =
solution?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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Go to harbor freight and buy a set of  punch stamps, use a piece of tape to
keep the line straight and go for it.
    Jeff

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> Randy
>
>                 Its possible but don=E2=80=99t know for sure =E2=80=93 th=
e Cleveland
> Foundry may have used a war surplus dog tag machine for these.
>
> I=E2=80=99m just throwing that out there for the possibility.   Ford made=
 war
> produces and they all needed tags so some sort of war surplus machine is
> possible maybe one Ford already had on hand.
>
>
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
>
> *From:* Tigers <[email-masked]> *On Behalf Of *Randall
> Antosiak via Tigers
> *Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2020 3:49 PM
> *Subject:* [Tigers] Request: Engine Tag Stamping
>
>
>
> Hi Tiger People -
>
> I want to replace my worn engine tag.  I got a fresh tag from Rick, but
> the problem is that I cannot find a way to stamp the new tag with the
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Go to harbor freight and buy a set of =C2=A0punch stamps, =
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=A0 Jeff</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
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=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Its possible but don=E2=80=99t know=
 for sure =E2=80=93 the Cleveland Foundry may have used a war surplus dog t=
ag machine for these.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I=E2=80=99m j=
ust throwing that out there for the possibility.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Ford made war =
produces and they all needed tags so some sort of war surplus machine is po=
ssible maybe one Ford already had on hand.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ron Fraser<u></u><u>=
</u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div style=3D"b=
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25,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Tigers &lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">tigers-=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Randall Antosiak via Tig=
ers<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 13, 2020 3:49 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><=
br><b>Subject:</b> [Tigers] Request: Engine Tag Stamping<u></u><u></u></p><=
/div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><blockq=
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ze:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">Hi Tiger Peop=
le -<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">I =
want to replace my worn engine tag.=C2=A0 I got a fresh tag from Rick, but =
the problem is that I cannot find a way to stamp the new tag with the engin=
e info.=C2=A0 Anyone have a solution?<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p=
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ns-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">Randy<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p c=
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Any locksmith shop should have punches they use to stamp keys.=C2=A0 Not su=
re how close they might look to what you need.Mark L

In a message dated 3/13/2020 7:27:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, tigers@autox=
.team.net writes:

Go to harbor freight and buy a set of =C2=A0punch stamps, use a piece of ta=
pe to keep the line straight and go for it.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Jeff
On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 7:18 PM Ron Fraser via Tigers <[email-masked]=
t> wrote:

Randy

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Its possible but don=E2=80=99t know for sure =E2=80=93 the =
Cleveland Foundry may have used a war surplus dog tag machine for these.

I=E2=80=99m just throwing that out there for the possibility.=C2=A0=C2=A0 F=
ord made war produces and they all needed tags so some sort of war surplus =
machine is possible maybe one Ford already had on hand.

=C2=A0

Ron Fraser

=C2=A0

From: Tigers <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Randall Antosiak =
via Tigers
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 3:49 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [Tigers] Request: Engine Tag Stamping

=C2=A0

Hi Tiger People -

I want to replace my worn engine tag.=C2=A0 I got a fresh tag from Rick, bu=
t the problem is that I cannot find a way to stamp the new tag with the eng=
ine info.=C2=A0 Anyone have a solution?

Thanks,

Randy

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<div>Any locksmith shop should have punches they use to stamp keys.&nbsp; Not sure how close they might look to what you need.</div>
<div>Mark L</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Go to harbor freight and buy a set of &nbsp;punch stamps, use a piece of tape to keep the line straight and go for it.
<div>&nbsp; &nbsp; Jeff</div>
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<div class="yiv2506447137gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 7:18 PM Ron Fraser via Tigers &lt;<a href="mailto:[email-masked]" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" shape="rect">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
<blockquote class="yiv2506447137gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: #cccccc; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<p class="yiv2506447137MsoNormal">Randy<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="yiv2506447137MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Its possible but don&rsquo;t know for sure &ndash; the Cleveland Foundry may have used a war surplus dog tag machine for these.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="yiv2506447137MsoNormal">I&rsquo;m just throwing that out there for the possibility.&nbsp;&nbsp; Ford made war produces and they all needed tags so some sort of war surplus machine is possible maybe one Ford already had on hand.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="yiv2506447137MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
<p class="yiv2506447137MsoNormal">Ron Fraser<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="yiv2506447137MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
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<div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: #e1e1e1; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;">
<p class="yiv2506447137MsoNormal"><strong>From:</strong> Tigers &lt;<a href="mailto:[email-masked]" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" shape="rect">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <strong>On Behalf Of </strong>Randall Antosiak via Tigers<br clear="none"><strong>Sent:</strong> Friday, March 13, 2020 3:49 PM<br clear="none"><strong>To:</strong> <a href="mailto:[email-masked]" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" shape="rect">[email-masked]</a><br clear="none"><strong>Subject:</strong> [Tigers] Request: Engine Tag Stamping<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="yiv2506447137MsoNormal"><u></u>&nbsp;<u></u></p>
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<p class="yiv2506447137MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: #26282a;">Hi Tiger People -<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="yiv2506447137MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: #26282a;">I want to replace my worn engine tag.&nbsp; I got a fresh tag from Rick, but the problem is that I cannot find a way to stamp the new tag with the engine info.&nbsp; Anyone have a solution?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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The big question here is about the original Font for this decal.

=20

What style Font?

What size Font?

=20

I have no expertise in this field so no help there.

=20

It would be nice if someone can identify the original Font or a Font =
that is very similar.

=20

It is very possible that is just a typical machinist=E2=80=99s stamp set =
something the Cleveland Foundry normally stocked. =20

=20

Ron Fraser

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From: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>=20
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 7:56 PM
To: [email-masked]; [email-masked]
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Request: Engine Tag Stamping

=20

Any locksmith shop should have punches they use to stamp keys.  Not sure =
how close they might look to what you need.

Mark L

=20

=20

In a message dated 3/13/2020 7:27:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, =

=20

Go to harbor freight and buy a set of  punch stamps, use a piece of tape =
to keep the line straight and go for it.=20

    Jeff

=20

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 7:18 PM Ron Fraser via Tigers =

Randy

=20

Ron Fraser

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From: Tigers <[email-masked] =
via Tigers
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 3:49 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Request: Engine Tag Stamping

=20

Hi Tiger People -

Thanks,

Randy

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>The big =
question here is about the original Font for this =
decal.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>What style Font?<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>What size Font?<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I have no =
expertise in this field so no help there.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>It would be =
nice if someone can identify the original Font or a Font that is very =
similar.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>It is very possible that is just a typical =
machinist=E2=80=99s stamp set something the Cleveland Foundry normally =
stocked. =C2=A0<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Ron =
Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> [email-masked] &lt;[email-masked]&gt; =
<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 13, 2020 7:56 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
[email-masked]; [email-masked]<br><b>Cc:</b> =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Request: Engine =
Tag Stamping<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Any=
 locksmith shop should have punches they use to stamp keys.&nbsp; Not =
sure how close they might look to what you =
need.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Mar=
k L<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>In a message =
dated 3/13/2020 7:27:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> writes: =
<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div =
id=3Dyiv2506447137><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Go to harbor freight =
and buy a set of &nbsp;punch stamps, use a piece of tape to keep the =
line straight and go for it. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp; &nbsp; Jeff<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
id=3Dyiv2506447137yqt93471><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Fri, Mar 13, =
2020 at 7:18 PM Ron Fraser via Tigers &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
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.0pt'><div><div><p class=3Dyiv2506447137msonormal>Randy<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dyiv2506447137msonormal>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Its possible but =
don=E2=80=99t know for sure =E2=80=93 the Cleveland Foundry may have =
used a war surplus dog tag machine for these.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dyiv2506447137msonormal>I=E2=80=99m just throwing that out there =
for the possibility.&nbsp;&nbsp; Ford made war produces and they all =
needed tags so some sort of war surplus machine is possible maybe one =
Ford already had on hand.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dyiv2506447137msonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dyiv2506447137msonormal>Ron Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p =
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style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></strong> Tigers =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
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[Tigers] Request: Engine Tag Stamping<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3Dyiv2506447137msonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><blockquote=
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style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><div><div><=
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class=3Dyiv2506447137msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>I want to replace my worn engine tag.&nbsp; I got a fresh tag from =
Rick, but the problem is that I cannot find a way to stamp the new tag =
with the engine info.&nbsp; Anyone have a =
solution?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
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style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
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I found a few companies that have the stamps. This one is in Canoga =
Park, CA
Maybe someone could visit them with a tag and see if they (or some other =
one near you) have a matching font/size.
Just a thought

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> On Mar 14, 2020, at 5:33 AM, Ron Fraser via Tigers =
that is very similar.
> =20
> It is very possible that is just a typical machinist=E2=80=99s stamp =
set something the Cleveland Foundry normally stocked. =20
> Any locksmith shop should have punches they use to stamp keys.  Not =
sure how close they might look to what you need.
>> Go to harbor freight and buy a set of  punch stamps, use a piece of =
tape to keep the line straight and go for it.=20
>>>                 Its possible but don=E2=80=99t know for sure =E2=80=93=
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>>>> I want to replace my worn engine tag.  I got a fresh tag from Rick, =
but the problem is that I cannot find a way to stamp the new tag with =
the engine info.  Anyone have a solution?
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">I =
found a few companies that have the stamps. This one is in Canoga Park, =
CA<div class=3D"">Maybe someone could visit them with a tag and see if =
they (or some other one near you) have a matching font/size.</div><div =
class=3D"">Just a thought</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><a =
href=3D"https://www.infinitystamps.com/collections/alphabet-and-number-sta=
mps-for-metal" =
class=3D"">https://www.infinitystamps.com/collections/alphabet-and-number-=
stamps-for-metal</a></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Mar 14, 2020, at 5:33 AM, =
Ron Fraser via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, =
0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;"><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">The big =
question here is about the original Font for this decal.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">What =
style Font?<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">What size Font?<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">I have no expertise in this field so no =
help there.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">It would be nice if someone can identify the original Font or =
a Font that is very similar.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">It is very possible that is just a =
typical machinist=E2=80=99s stamp set something the Cleveland Foundry =
normally stocked. &nbsp;<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Ron Fraser<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">From:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: =
underline;" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: =
underline;" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Friday, March 13, 2020 7:56 =
PM<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>;<span=
 class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a><br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">Cc:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a><br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [Tigers] Request: =
Engine Tag Stamping<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Any =
locksmith shop should have punches they use to stamp keys.&nbsp; Not =
sure how close they might look to what you need.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">Mark L<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 14pt; font-family: Arial, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 14pt; =
font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div></div></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">In a message dated 3/13/2020 7:27:52 PM Eastern Standard =
Time,<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>writes:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><blockquote style=3D"border-style: none none none solid; =
border-left-width: 1.5pt; border-left-color: blue; padding: 0in 0in 0in =
4pt; margin-left: 3.75pt; margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=3D""=
 type=3D"cite"><div id=3D"yiv2506447137" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Go to harbor freight and =
buy a set of &nbsp;punch stamps, use a piece of tape to keep the line =
straight and go for it.<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; Jeff<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div =
class=3D""><div id=3D"yiv2506447137yqt93471" class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at =
7:18 PM Ron Fraser via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=
 target=3D"_blank" style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style=3D"border-style: none =
none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, =
204, 204); padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin: 5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt;" =
class=3D"" type=3D"cite"><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"yiv2506447137msonormal" style=3D"margin-right: 0in; =
margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;">Randy<o:p class=3D""></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"yiv2506447137msonormal" style=3D"margin-right: 0in; =
margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Its possible but don=E2=80=99t know for =
sure =E2=80=93 the Cleveland Foundry may have used a war surplus dog tag =
machine for these.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"yiv2506447137msonormal" style=3D"margin-right: 0in; =
margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;">I=E2=80=99m just throwing that out there for the =
possibility.&nbsp;&nbsp; Ford made war produces and they all needed tags =
so some sort of war surplus machine is possible maybe one Ford already =
had on hand.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></p><p class=3D"yiv2506447137msonormal" =
style=3D"margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">&nbsp;<o:p class=3D""></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"yiv2506447137msonormal" style=3D"margin-right: 0in; =
margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;">Ron Fraser<o:p class=3D""></o:p></p><p =
class=3D"yiv2506447137msonormal" style=3D"margin-right: 0in; =
margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;">&nbsp;<o:p class=3D""></o:p></p><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; =
border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=3D""><p=
 class=3D"yiv2506447137msonormal" style=3D"margin-right: 0in; =
margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;"><strong class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">From:</span></strong><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Tigers &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><strong class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">On Behalf Of<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span></strong>Randall =
Antosiak via Tigers<br class=3D""><strong class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Sent:</span></strong><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Friday, March 13, 2020 3:49 =
PM<br class=3D""><strong class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">To:</span></strong><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"color: =
blue; text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a><br=
 class=3D""><strong class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">Subject:</span></strong><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>[Tigers] Request: Engine =
Tag Stamping<o:p class=3D""></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3D"yiv2506447137msonormal" style=3D"margin-right: 0in; =
margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;">&nbsp;<o:p class=3D""></o:p></p><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><blockquote style=3D"margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" =
class=3D"" type=3D"cite"><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"yiv2506447137msonormal" style=3D"margin-right: 0in; =
margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: Helvetica, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(38, 40, 42);" class=3D"">Hi Tiger People =
-</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></p></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"yiv2506447137msonormal" style=3D"margin-right: 0in; =
margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: Helvetica, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(38, 40, 42);" class=3D"">I want to replace my =
worn engine tag.&nbsp; I got a fresh tag from Rick, but the problem is =
that I cannot find a way to stamp the new tag with the engine =
info.&nbsp; Anyone have a solution?</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></p></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"yiv2506447137msonormal" style=3D"margin-right: 0in; =
margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: Helvetica, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(38, 40, 42);" class=3D"">Thanks,</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></p></div><div class=3D""><p =
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Likely not the font (who know???) but Harbor freight has them for a lot 
less. I mean you are talking a one time use on soft aluminum.

On 3/14/2020 5:08 PM, Jim B via Tigers wrote:
> I found a few companies that have the stamps. This one is in Canoga 
> Park, CA
> Maybe someone could visit them with a tag and see if they (or some 
> other one near you) have a matching font/size.
> Just a thought
>
> https://www.infinitystamps.com/collections/alphabet-and-number-stamps-for-metal
>
>> On Mar 14, 2020, at 5:33 AM, Ron Fraser via Tigers 
>>
>> It would be nice if someone can identify the original Font or a Font 
>> that is very similar.
>> It is very possible that is just a typical machinist’s stamp set 
>> something the Cleveland Foundry normally stocked.
>> Ron Fraser
>> *Sent:*Friday, March 13, 2020 7:56 PM
>> *To:[email-masked] 
>> *Subject:*Re: [Tigers] Request: Engine Tag Stamping
>> Any locksmith shop should have punches they use to stamp keys.  Not 
>> In a message dated 3/13/2020 7:27:52 PM Eastern Standard 
>>> Go to harbor freight and buy a set of  punch stamps, use a piece of 
>>> tape to keep the line straight and go for it.
>>>     Jeff
>>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 7:18 PM Ron Fraser via Tigers 
>>>>
>>>> Randy
>>>>
>>>> Its possible but don’t know for sure – the Cleveland Foundry may 
>>>> have used a war surplus dog tag machine for these.
>>>>
>>>> I’m just throwing that out there for the possibility.   Ford made 
>>>> war produces and they all needed tags so some sort of war surplus 
>>>> *From:*Tigers <[email-masked] 
>>>> Antosiak via Tigers
>>>> *Sent:*Friday, March 13, 2020 3:49 PM
>>>> *Subject:*[Tigers] Request: Engine Tag Stamping
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Tiger People -
>>>>>
>>>>> I want to replace my worn engine tag.  I got a fresh tag from 
>>>>> Rick, but the problem is that I cannot find a way to stamp the new 
>>>>> tag with the engine info. Anyone have a solution?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Randy
>>>>>
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    <p>Likely not the font (who know???) but Harbor freight has them for
      a lot less. I mean you are talking a one time use on soft
      aluminum.<br>
    </p>
    <p><img src="cid:[email-masked]" alt=""></p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/14/2020 5:08 PM, Jim B via Tigers
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite"
      cite="mid:[email-masked]">
      <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
      I found a few companies that have the stamps. This one is in
      Canoga Park, CA
      <div class="">Maybe someone could visit them with a tag and see if
        they (or some other one near you) have a matching font/size.</div>
      <div class="">Just a thought</div>
      <div class=""><br class="">
      </div>
      <div class=""><a
href="https://www.infinitystamps.com/collections/alphabet-and-number-stamps-for-metal"
          class="" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.infinitystamps.com/collections/alphabet-and-number-stamps-for-metal</a></div>
      <div class=""><br class="">
        <div>
          <blockquote type="cite" class="">
            <div class="">On Mar 14, 2020, at 5:33 AM, Ron Fraser via
              Tigers &lt;<a href="mailto:[email-masked]" class=""
                moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
              wrote:</div>
            <br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
            <div class="">
              <div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1;
                caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica;
                font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps:
                normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal;
                text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:
                none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;
                -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">
                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                  font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The big
                  question here is about the original Font for this
                  decal.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                  font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
                    class=""> </o:p></div>
                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                  font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">What style
                  Font?<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                  font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">What size
                  Font?<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                  font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
                    class=""> </o:p></div>
                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                  font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I have no
                  expertise in this field so no help there.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                  font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
                    class=""> </o:p></div>
                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                  font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">It would
                  be nice if someone can identify the original Font or a
                  Font that is very similar.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                  font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
                    class=""> </o:p></div>
                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                  font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">It is very
                  possible that is just a typical machinist’s stamp set
                  something the Cleveland Foundry normally stocked.  <o:p
                    class=""></o:p></div>
                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                  font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
                    class=""> </o:p></div>
                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                  font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Ron Fraser<o:p
                    class=""></o:p></div>
                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                  font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
                    class=""> </o:p></div>
                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                  font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b
                    class="">From:</b><span
                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                    href="mailto:[email-masked]" style="color: blue;
                    text-decoration: underline;" class=""
                    moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a><span
                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>&lt;<a
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                    text-decoration: underline;" class=""
                    moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<span
                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
                  <b class="">Sent:</b><span
                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, March
                  13, 2020 7:56 PM<br class="">
                  <b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                    href="mailto:[email-masked]" style="color:
                    blue; text-decoration: underline;" class=""
                    moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a>;<span
                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                    href="mailto:[email-masked]" style="color:
                    blue; text-decoration: underline;" class=""
                    moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a><br
                    class="">
                  <b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                    href="mailto:[email-masked]" style="color:
                    blue; text-decoration: underline;" class=""
                    moz-do-not-send="true">[email-masked]</a><br
                    class="">
                  <b class="">Subject:</b><span
                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Tigers]
                  Request: Engine Tag Stamping<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
                  font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
                    class=""> </o:p></div>
                <div class="">
                  <div class="">
                    <div class="">
                      <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
                        11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
                        class=""><span style="font-size: 14pt;
                          font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Any
                          locksmith shop should have punches they use to
                          stamp keys.  Not sure how close they might
                          look to what you need.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
                    </div>
                    <div class="">
                      <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
                        11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
                        class=""><span style="font-size: 14pt;
                          font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Mark
                          L<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
                    </div>
                    <div class="">
                      <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
                        11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
                        class=""><span style="font-size: 14pt;
                          font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
                            class=""> </o:p></span></div>
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                            <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
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                              sans-serif;" class="">Go to harbor freight
                              and buy a set of  punch stamps, use a
                              piece of tape to keep the line straight
                              and go for it.<span
                                class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p
                                class=""></o:p></div>
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                              <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
                                font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
                                sans-serif;" class="">    Jeff<o:p
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                          <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
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                                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
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                                  2020 at 7:18 PM Ron Fraser via Tigers
                                  &lt;<a
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                                  wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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                                        class=""></o:p></p>
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                                      style="margin-right: 0in;
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                                      Its possible but don’t know for
                                      sure – the Cleveland Foundry may
                                      have used a war surplus dog tag
                                      machine for these.<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
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                                      just throwing that out there for
                                      the possibility.   Ford made war
                                      produces and they all needed tags
                                      so some sort of war surplus
                                      machine is possible maybe one Ford
                                      already had on hand.<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
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                                          Stamping<o:p class=""></o:p></p>
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                                                      font-family:
                                                      Calibri,
                                                      sans-serif;"><span
style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color:
                                                        rgb(38, 40,
                                                        42);" class="">Hi
                                                        Tiger People -</span><o:p
                                                        class=""></o:p></p>
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                                                      class="yiv2506447137msonormal"
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                                                      sans-serif;"><span
style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color:
                                                        rgb(38, 40,
                                                        42);" class="">I
                                                        want to replace
                                                        my worn engine
                                                        tag.  I got a
                                                        fresh tag from
                                                        Rick, but the
                                                        problem is that
                                                        I cannot find a
                                                        way to stamp the
                                                        new tag with the
                                                        engine info. 
                                                        Anyone have a
                                                        solution?</span><o:p
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I did not see this note come back to me on the List so resending it.

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Ron Fraser

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From: Ron Fraser <[email-masked]>=20
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2020 12:05 PM
To: 'Dave Munroe' <[email-masked]>; 'Mark L' <[email-masked]>; 'Jeffery =
Randall' <[email-masked]>; 'Tiger Net' <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Request: Engine Tag Stamping

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Dave

                You are very correct about the Vin plate Font.   Brian =
Glenn wrote an excellent article about this and explains how serif and =
sans serif fonts were both used on the tags.   I believe Pressed Steel =
stamped the vin # and paint code then Jensen stamped the engine #; 2 =
different processes.

=20

I have a set of 1/8=E2=80=9D steel stamps, probably from Harbor Freight =
made in China, which are about the correct size.

Some of the stamps look similar to the original but not all of them.

0 - is not open enough

1 - does have a flag

2 =E2=80=93 is not open enough

3,5,6,9 =E2=80=93 are not open enough

The same goes for the letters; some look close others are too tight.

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The Calibri font this email I=E2=80=99m typing with is similar to the =
original but I have not examined this font closely enough.

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I have not explored the Font the Cleveland Foundry may have used on =
these decals.   Ford Corporate seemed to like Franklin font.

I=E2=80=99m of the opinion the Cleveland Foundry stamped and applied the =
valve cover decal.   It was part of their Export engine process and =
accounting process.

=20

It would seem to me there is a typewriter somewhere that has the correct =
font.

I believe the Cleveland Foundry used something like a typewriter for =
this but the decals were most likely on a ribbon for production =
purposes.

=20

It might be necessary to have stamps laser cut to precisely match the =
original font style, size and strike depth.

=20

Ron Fraser

=20

=20

=20

Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2020 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Request: Engine Tag Stamping

=20

Ron;

=20

As you may recall, my Tiger came to me minus the VIN tag. (Eventually =
TAC'ed at the 2010 TE/AE Annual Event in Rockland, Me.)  No doubt it is =
running around Mass. attached to an Alger with incorrect rivets.

=20

Ever since, I have been searching the Globe for the correct font type =
and size, to  no avail. To complicate matters, having found and studied =
many many B382XXX VIN plates, it is clear there was more than one set of =
fonts used, often on the same VIN plate.

=20

It also appears that the font stamp styles may have been unique to the =
U.K., because of all the vintage stamps I have found on the internet =
from North America, none are close to those used to stamp our Tiger VIN' =
and JAL Plates.

=20

If the engine plates were stamped in U.S. or Canada, the chances of =
finding the correct fonts should be much better.=20

=20

If anyone ever comes uo with a set, I am sure I am not the only one who =
would pay dearly for a chance to "rent" them to replace my original =
plate.

=20

Dave in Nova Scotia

B382000450LRXFE=20

=20

Sent from my BlackBerry =E2=80=94 the most secure mobile device =
=E2=80=94 via the Bell Network

Sent: March 14, 2020 9:54 AM

=20

=20

What style Font?

What size Font?

=20

=20

=20

=20

Ron Fraser

=20

[email-masked]>

=20

Mark L

=20

=20

=20

    Jeff

=20

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 7:18 PM Ron Fraser via Tigers < =

Randy

=20

Ron Fraser

=20

[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Randall Antosiak via Tigers
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 3:49 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Request: Engine Tag Stamping

=20

Hi Tiger People -

Thanks,

Randy

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lang=3DEN-US link=3Dblack vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I did not see this note come back to me on the List so =
resending it.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Ron Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Ron Fraser =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, March 14, 2020 =
12:05 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Dave Munroe' &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; 'Mark L' =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;; 'Jeffery Randall' =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;; 'Tiger Net' =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Tigers] Request: =
Engine Tag Stamping<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Dave<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; You are very correct about the Vin =
plate Font.&nbsp;&nbsp; Brian Glenn wrote an excellent article about =
this and explains how serif and sans serif fonts were both used on the =
tags.&nbsp;&nbsp; I believe Pressed Steel stamped the vin # and paint =
code then Jensen stamped the engine #; 2 different =
processes.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I have a set of 1/8=E2=80=9D steel stamps, probably =
from Harbor Freight made in China, which are about the correct =
size.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Some of the stamps look similar =
to the original but not all of them.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>0 - is not open enough<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>1 - does have a flag<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>2 =E2=80=93 is not open enough<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>3,5,6,9 =E2=80=93 are not open enough<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>The same goes for the letters; some look close others =
are too tight.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>The Calibri =
font this email I=E2=80=99m typing with is similar to the original but I =
have not examined this font closely enough.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I have not =
explored the Font the Cleveland Foundry may have used on these =
decals.&nbsp;&nbsp; Ford Corporate seemed to like Franklin =
font.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I=E2=80=99m of the opinion the =
Cleveland Foundry stamped and applied the valve cover decal.&nbsp;&nbsp; =
It was part of their Export engine process and accounting =
process.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>It would seem to me there is a typewriter somewhere =
that has the correct font.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I believe =
the Cleveland Foundry used something like a typewriter for this but the =
decals were most likely on a ribbon for production =
purposes.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>It might be necessary to have stamps laser cut to =
precisely match the original font style, size and strike =
depth.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Ron Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Dave Munroe &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> =
Saturday, March 14, 2020 10:23 AM<br><b>To:</b> Ron Fraser &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; Mark =
L &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; Jeffery =
Randall &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
; Tiger Net &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b=
>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Request: Engine Tag =
Stamping<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div =
id=3D"response_container_BBPPID"><div name=3DBB10 =
id=3D"BB10_response_div_BBPPID"><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:initial'>Ron;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div =
name=3DBB10 id=3D"BB10_response_div_BBPPID"><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:initial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div =
name=3DBB10 id=3D"BB10_response_div_BBPPID"><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:initial'>As you may recall, my Tiger came to me =
minus the VIN tag. (Eventually TAC'ed at the 2010 TE/AE Annual Event in =
Rockland, Me.)&nbsp; No doubt it is running around Mass. attached to an =
Alger with incorrect rivets.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div name=3DBB10 =
id=3D"BB10_response_div_BBPPID"><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:initial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div =
name=3DBB10 id=3D"BB10_response_div_BBPPID"><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:initial'>Ever since, I have been searching the =
Globe for the correct font type and size, to&nbsp; no avail. To =
complicate matters, having found and studied many many B382XXX VIN =
plates, it is clear there was more than one set of fonts used, often on =
the same VIN plate.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div name=3DBB10 =
id=3D"BB10_response_div_BBPPID"><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:initial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div =
name=3DBB10 id=3D"BB10_response_div_BBPPID"><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:initial'>It also appears that the font stamp styles =
may have been unique to the U.K., because of all the vintage stamps I =
have found on the internet from North America, none are close to those =
used to stamp our Tiger VIN' and JAL =
Plates.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div name=3DBB10 =
id=3D"BB10_response_div_BBPPID"><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:initial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div =
name=3DBB10 id=3D"BB10_response_div_BBPPID"><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:initial'>If the engine plates were stamped in U.S. =
or Canada, the chances of finding the correct fonts should be much =
better.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div name=3DBB10 =
id=3D"BB10_response_div_BBPPID"><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:initial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div =
name=3DBB10 id=3D"BB10_response_div_BBPPID"><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:initial'>If anyone ever comes uo with a set, I am =
sure I am not the only one who would pay dearly for a chance to =
&quot;rent&quot; them to replace my original =
plate.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div name=3DBB10 =
id=3D"BB10_response_div_BBPPID"><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:initial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div =
name=3DBB10 id=3D"BB10_response_div_BBPPID"><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:initial'>Dave in Nova =
Scotia<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div name=3DBB10 =
id=3D"BB10_response_div_BBPPID"><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:initial'>B382000450LRXFE&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>=
</div><div name=3DBB10 id=3D"response_div_spacer_BBPPID"><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:initial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div =
name=3DBB10 id=3D"blackberry_signature_BBPPID"><div name=3DBB10 =
id=3D"_signaturePlaceholder_BBPPID"><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:initial'>Sent from my BlackBerry =E2=80=94 the most =
secure mobile device =E2=80=94 via the Bell =
Network<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div =
id=3D"_original_msg_header_BBPPID"><table class=3DMsoNormalTable =
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class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
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b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> =
</span><span style=3D'color:black'><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"><span =
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eam.net</span></a></span><span =
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pan></p></div><div id=3Dsent><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
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March 14, 2020 9:54 AM</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div><div id=3Dto><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
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:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> =
</span><span style=3D'color:black'><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>[email-masked]=
</span></a></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>; =
</span><span style=3D'color:black'><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>jefferyrandall=
@gmail.com</span></a></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div><div id=3D"reply_to"><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>Re=
ply to:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> =
</span><span style=3D'color:black'><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>rfraser@bluefr=
og.com</span></a></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div><div id=3Dcc><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>Cc=
:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> =
</span><span style=3D'color:black'><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>[email-masked]=
eam.net</span></a></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div><div id=3Dsubject><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>Su=
bject:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'> =
Re: [Tigers] Request: Engine Tag Stamping</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div></div></td></tr></table><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div name=3DBB10><div =
id=3Dssc6133><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The big =
question here is about the original Font for this =
decal.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>What style =
Font?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>What size =
Font?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I have no =
expertise in this field so no help there.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>It would be =
nice if someone can identify the original Font or a Font that is very =
similar.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>It is very =
possible that is just a typical machinist=E2=80=99s stamp set something =
the Cleveland Foundry normally stocked. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Ron =
Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From:</b>=
 <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"><span =
style=3D'color:blue'>[email-masked]</span></a> &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"><span =
style=3D'color:blue'>[email-masked]</span></a>&gt;<br><b>Sent:</b> =
Friday, March 13, 2020 7:56 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"><span =
style=3D'color:blue'>[email-masked]</span></a>; <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"><span =
style=3D'color:blue'>[email-masked]</span></a><br><b>Cc:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"><span =
style=3D'color:blue'>[email-masked]</span></a><br><b>Subject:</b> =
Re: [Tigers] Request: Engine Tag Stamping<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Any=
 locksmith shop should have punches they use to stamp keys.&nbsp; Not =
sure how close they might look to what you =
need.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Mar=
k L</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>In a =
message dated 3/13/2020 7:27:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"><span =
style=3D'color:blue'>[email-masked]</span></a> writes: =
<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><blockquote style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid =
blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div =
id=3Dyiv2506447137><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Go to =
harbor freight and buy a set of &nbsp;punch stamps, use a piece of tape =
to keep the line straight and go for it. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp; =
&nbsp; Jeff<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><div id=3Dyiv2506447137yqt93471><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Fri, Mar =
13, 2020 at 7:18 PM Ron Fraser via Tigers &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"><span =
style=3D'color:blue'>[email-masked]</span></a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><div><p class=3Dyiv2506447137msonormal>Randy<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dyiv2506447137msonormal>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Its possible but =
don=E2=80=99t know for sure =E2=80=93 the Cleveland Foundry may have =
used a war surplus dog tag machine for these.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dyiv2506447137msonormal>I=E2=80=99m just throwing that out there =
for the possibility.&nbsp;&nbsp; Ford made war produces and they all =
needed tags so some sort of war surplus machine is possible maybe one =
Ford already had on hand.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dyiv2506447137msonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dyiv2506447137msonormal>Ron Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dyiv2506447137msonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3Dyiv2506447137msonormal><strong><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></strong> Tigers =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"><span =
style=3D'color:blue'>[email-masked]</span></a>&gt; =
<strong><span style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>On Behalf Of =
</span></strong>Randall Antosiak via Tigers<br><strong><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Sent:</span></strong> Friday, =
March 13, 2020 3:49 PM<br><strong><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>To:</span></strong> <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"><span =
style=3D'color:blue'>[email-masked]</span></a><br><strong><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Subject:</span></strong> =
[Tigers] Request: Engine Tag Stamping<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3Dyiv2506447137msonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><blockquote=
 =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><div><div><=
p class=3Dyiv2506447137msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Hi Tiger People -</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dyiv2506447137msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>I want to replace my worn engine tag.&nbsp; I got a fresh tag from =
Rick, but the problem is that I cannot find a way to stamp the new tag =
with the engine info.&nbsp; Anyone have a =
solution?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dyiv2506447137msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dyiv2506447137msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Randy</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dyiv2506447137msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote=
id=3D"yiv2506447137gmail-m_-8079925845824224077ydp77bda05ayahoo_quoted_50=
57180910"><div><div><div =
id=3D"yiv2506447137gmail-m_-8079925845824224077ydp77bda05ayqt94111"><p =
class=3Dyiv2506447137msonormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><p =
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To: Ron Fraser <[email-masked]>; Mark L <[email-masked]>; Jeffery =
Randall <[email-masked]>; Tiger Net <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Request: Engine Tag Stamping

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Dave in Nova Scotia

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What style Font?

What size Font?

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=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 You are very correct about the Vin =
plate Font.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Brian Glenn wrote an excellent article about =
tags.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I believe Pressed Steel stamped the vin # and paint =
decals.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Ford Corporate seemed to like Franklin =
Cleveland Foundry stamped and applied the valve cover decal.=C2=A0=C2=A0 =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Dave Munroe =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, March 14, 2020 10:23 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> Ron Fraser &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Mark L =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Jeffery Randall =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Tiger Net =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Request: =
style=3D'font-family:"initial",serif'>Ron;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><di=
v name=3DBB10 id=3D"BB10_response_div_BBPPID"><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"initial",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><=
div name=3DBB10 id=3D"BB10_response_div_BBPPID"><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"initial",serif'>As you may =
recall, my Tiger came to me minus the VIN tag. (Eventually TAC'ed at the =
2010 TE/AE Annual Event in Rockland, Me.)&nbsp; No doubt it is running =
around Mass. attached to an Alger with incorrect =
rivets.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div name=3DBB10 =
style=3D'font-family:"initial",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><=
div name=3DBB10 id=3D"BB10_response_div_BBPPID"><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"initial",serif'>Ever =
since, I have been searching the Globe for the correct font type and =
size, to&nbsp; no avail. To complicate matters, having found and studied =
fonts used, often on the same VIN plate.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div =
style=3D'font-family:"initial",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><=
div name=3DBB10 id=3D"BB10_response_div_BBPPID"><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"initial",serif'>It also =
appears that the font stamp styles may have been unique to the U.K., =
because of all the vintage stamps I have found on the internet from =
North America, none are close to those used to stamp our Tiger VIN' and =
JAL Plates.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div name=3DBB10 =
style=3D'font-family:"initial",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><=
div name=3DBB10 id=3D"BB10_response_div_BBPPID"><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"initial",serif'>If the =
engine plates were stamped in U.S. or Canada, the chances of finding the =
correct fonts should be much =
style=3D'font-family:"initial",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><=
div name=3DBB10 id=3D"BB10_response_div_BBPPID"><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"initial",serif'>If anyone =
ever comes uo with a set, I am sure I am not the only one who would pay =
dearly for a chance to &quot;rent&quot; them to replace my original =
style=3D'font-family:"initial",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><=
div name=3DBB10 id=3D"BB10_response_div_BBPPID"><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"initial",serif'>Dave in =
Nova Scotia<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div name=3DBB10 =
style=3D'font-family:"initial",serif'>B382000450LRXFE&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div><div name=3DBB10 id=3D"response_div_spacer_BBPPID"><p =
style=3D'font-family:"initial",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><=
div name=3DBB10 id=3D"blackberry_signature_BBPPID"><div name=3DBB10 =
style=3D'font-family:"initial",serif'>Sent from my BlackBerry =E2=80=94 =
the most secure mobile device =E2=80=94 via the Bell =
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I had. a new tag made up for one of my Tigers maybe 12 years ago. I bought
the tag from Rick and I mailed it to either a Pacific Tiger or STOA club
member. It came back with the correct looking fonts. I don't remember who
it was but maybe someone else here does.If I can find that email chain I'll
forward the info.
Bugz

On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 11:03 AM Dave Munroe via Tigers <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> Ron;
>
> As you may recall, my Tiger came to me minus the VIN tag. (Eventually
> TAC'ed at the 2010 TE/AE Annual Event in Rockland, Me.)  No doubt it is
> Ever since, I have been searching the Globe for the correct font type and
> size, to  no avail. To complicate matters, having found and studied many
> many B382XXX VIN plates, it is clear there was more than one set of fonts
> used, often on the same VIN plate.
>
> It also appears that the font stamp styles may have been unique to the
> U.K., because of all the vintage stamps I have found on the internet from
> North America, none are close to those used to stamp our Tiger VIN' and J=
AL
> Plates.
>
> If the engine plates were stamped in U.S. or Canada, the chances of
> finding the correct fonts should be much better.
>
> If anyone ever comes uo with a set, I am sure I am not the only one who
> would pay dearly for a chance to "rent" them to replace my original plate=
.
>
> Dave in Nova Scotia
> B382000450LRXFE
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry =E2=80=94 the most secure mobile device =E2=80=94=
 via the Bell
> Network
> *From:* [email-masked]
> *Sent:* March 14, 2020 9:54 AM
> *To:* [email-masked]; [email-masked]
> *Reply to:* [email-masked]
> *Cc:* [email-masked]
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Request: Engine Tag Stamping
>
> It would be nice if someone can identify the original Font or a Font that
> is very similar.
>
>
>
something
> the Cleveland Foundry normally stocked.
>
>
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
>
> *From:* [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2020 7:56 PM
> *To:* [email-masked]; [email-masked]
> *Cc:* [email-masked]
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Request: Engine Tag Stamping
>
>
>
> Any locksmith shop should have punches they use to stamp keys.  Not sure
> Go to harbor freight and buy a set of  punch stamps, use a piece of tape
> to keep the line straight and go for it.
>
>     Jeff
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 7:18 PM Ron Fraser via Tigers <
> [email-masked]> wrote:
>
> Randy
>
e Cleveland
 war
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/[email-masked]
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>I had. a new tag made up for one of my Tigers maybe 1=
2 years ago. I bought the tag from Rick and I mailed it to either a Pacific=
 Tiger or STOA club member. It came back with the correct looking fonts. I =
don&#39;t remember who it was but maybe someone else here does.If I can fin=
d that email chain I&#39;ll forward the info.</div><div>Bugz<br></div></div=
><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mo=
n, Mar 16, 2020 at 11:03 AM Dave Munroe via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ti=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px=
 solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"background-color:rg=
b(255,255,255);background-image:initial;line-height:initial"><div id=3D"gma=
il-m_-8812779255913283534response_container_BBPPID" style=3D"outline:curren=
tcolor none medium" dir=3D"auto"> <div name=3D"BB10" id=3D"gmail-m_-8812779=
255913283534BB10_response_div_BBPPID" dir=3D"auto" style=3D"width:100%"> Ro=
n;</div><div name=3D"BB10" id=3D"gmail-m_-8812779255913283534BB10_response_=
div_BBPPID" dir=3D"auto" style=3D"width:100%"><br></div><div name=3D"BB10" =
id=3D"gmail-m_-8812779255913283534BB10_response_div_BBPPID" dir=3D"auto" st=
yle=3D"width:100%">As you may recall, my Tiger came to me minus the VIN tag=
. (Eventually TAC&#39;ed at the 2010 TE/AE Annual Event in Rockland, Me.)=
=C2=A0 No doubt it is running around Mass. attached to an Alger with incorr=
ect rivets.</div><div name=3D"BB10" id=3D"gmail-m_-8812779255913283534BB10_=
response_div_BBPPID" dir=3D"auto" style=3D"width:100%"><br></div><div name=
=3D"BB10" id=3D"gmail-m_-8812779255913283534BB10_response_div_BBPPID" dir=
=3D"auto" style=3D"width:100%">Ever since, I have been searching the Globe =
for the correct font type and size, to=C2=A0 no avail. To complicate matter=
s, having found and studied many many B382XXX VIN plates, it is clear there=
 was more than one set of fonts used, often on the same VIN plate.</div><di=
v name=3D"BB10" id=3D"gmail-m_-8812779255913283534BB10_response_div_BBPPID"=
 dir=3D"auto" style=3D"width:100%"><br></div><div name=3D"BB10" id=3D"gmail=
-m_-8812779255913283534BB10_response_div_BBPPID" dir=3D"auto" style=3D"widt=
h:100%">It also appears that the font stamp styles may have been unique to =
the U.K., because of all the vintage stamps I have found on the internet fr=
om North America, none are close to those used to stamp our Tiger VIN&#39; =
and JAL Plates.</div><div name=3D"BB10" id=3D"gmail-m_-8812779255913283534B=
B10_response_div_BBPPID" dir=3D"auto" style=3D"width:100%"><br></div><div n=
ame=3D"BB10" id=3D"gmail-m_-8812779255913283534BB10_response_div_BBPPID" di=
r=3D"auto" style=3D"width:100%">If the engine plates were stamped in U.S. o=
r Canada, the chances of finding the correct fonts should be much better.=
=C2=A0</div><div name=3D"BB10" id=3D"gmail-m_-8812779255913283534BB10_respo=
nse_div_BBPPID" dir=3D"auto" style=3D"width:100%"><br></div><div name=3D"BB=
10" id=3D"gmail-m_-8812779255913283534BB10_response_div_BBPPID" dir=3D"auto=
" style=3D"width:100%">If anyone ever comes uo with a set, I am sure I am n=
ot the only one who would pay dearly for a chance to &quot;rent&quot; them =
to replace my original plate.</div><div name=3D"BB10" id=3D"gmail-m_-881277=
9255913283534BB10_response_div_BBPPID" dir=3D"auto" style=3D"width:100%"><b=
r></div><div name=3D"BB10" id=3D"gmail-m_-8812779255913283534BB10_response_=
div_BBPPID" dir=3D"auto" style=3D"width:100%">Dave in Nova Scotia</div><div=
 name=3D"BB10" id=3D"gmail-m_-8812779255913283534BB10_response_div_BBPPID" =
dir=3D"auto" style=3D"width:100%">B382000450LRXFE=C2=A0</div>              =
                                                                           =
                                             <div name=3D"BB10" id=3D"gmail=
-m_-8812779255913283534response_div_spacer_BBPPID" dir=3D"auto" style=3D"wi=
dth:100%"> <br style=3D"display:initial"></div>                            =
<div id=3D"gmail-m_-8812779255913283534blackberry_signature_BBPPID" name=3D=
"BB10" dir=3D"auto">     <div id=3D"gmail-m_-8812779255913283534_signatureP=
laceholder_BBPPID" name=3D"BB10" dir=3D"auto">Sent from my BlackBerry =E2=
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ID" dir=3D"auto">                                                          =
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        <table id=3D"gmail-m_-8812779255913283534_pHCWrapper_BBPPID" style=
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color none medium" width=3D"100%"><tbody><tr><td colspan=3D"2" style=3D"pad=
ding:initial;font-size:initial;text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,=
255,255)">                           <div style=3D"border-color:rgb(181,196=
,223) currentcolor currentcolor;border-style:solid none none;border-width:1=
pt medium medium;padding:3pt 0in 0in;font-family:Tahoma,&quot;BB Alpha Sans=
&quot;,&quot;Slate Pro&quot;;font-size:10pt">  <div id=3D"gmail-m_-88127792=
55913283534from"><b>From:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targ=
et=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a></div><div id=3D"gmail-m_-8812779255=
913283534sent"><b>Sent:</b> March 14, 2020 9:54 AM</div><div id=3D"gmail-m_=
-8812779255913283534to"><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=
 target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a></div><div id=3D"gmail-m_-88=
12779255913283534reply_to"><b>Reply to:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:rfraser@bluef=
rog.com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a></div><div id=3D"gmail-m=
_-8812779255913283534cc"><b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a></div><div id=3D"gmail-m_-8812=
779255913283534subject"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Request: Engine Tag St=
amping</div></div></td></tr></tbody></table> <br> </div><div name=3D"BB10" =
dir=3D"auto" style=3D"background-image:initial;line-height:initial;outline:=
currentcolor none medium"><div id=3D"gmail-m_-8812779255913283534ssc6133"><=
div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">The big question here is about the original=
 Font for this decal.</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal">What style Font?</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">What size Font?</p><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I have no expertise in thi=
s field so no help there.</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p><p class=3D"M=
soNormal">It would be nice if someone can identify the original Font or a F=
ont that is very similar.</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p><p class=3D"M=
soNormal">It is very possible that is just a typical machinist=E2=80=99s st=
amp set something the Cleveland Foundry normally stocked. =C2=A0</p><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ron Fraser</p><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b>  <a href=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Sent:</b> F=
riday, March 13, 2020 7:56 PM<br><b>To:</b>  <a href=3D"mailto:jefferyranda=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>; <a href=3D"ma=
ilto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><br><b=
>Cc:</b>  <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">tigers=
@autox.team.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Request: Engine Tag Sta=
mping</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><span style=3D"font-size:14pt;font-family:&quot;arial&quot;,sans-serif=
;color:black">Any locksmith shop should have punches they use to stamp keys=
.=C2=A0 Not sure how close they might look to what you need.</span></p></di=
v><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14pt;font-family:&qu=
ot;arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Mark L</span></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14pt;font-family:&quot;arial&quot;,=
sans-serif;color:black">=C2=A0</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span style=3D"font-size:14pt;font-family:&quot;arial&quot;,sans-serif;colo=
r:black">=C2=A0</span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">In a message d=
ated 3/13/2020 7:27:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, <a href=3D"mailto:tigers@a=
utox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a> writes: </p><div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p></div><div><blockquote style=3D"border-co=
lor:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor blue;border-style:none none none=
 solid;border-width:medium medium medium 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4pt;marg=
in-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div id=3D"gmail-m_-881277=
9255913283534yiv2506447137"><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Go to harbor f=
reight and buy a set of =C2=A0punch stamps, use a piece of tape to keep the=
 line straight and go for it. </p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0 =C2=A0=
 Jeff</p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p><div><div id=3D"gmail=
-m_-8812779255913283534yiv2506447137yqt93471"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">O=
n Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 7:18 PM Ron Fraser via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrot=
e:</p></div><blockquote style=3D"border-color:currentcolor currentcolor cur=
rentcolor rgb(204,204,204);border-style:none none none solid;border-width:m=
edium medium medium 1pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt"><=
div><div><p>Randy</p><p>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Its possible but don=E2=80=99t know=
 for sure =E2=80=93 the Cleveland Foundry may have used a war surplus dog t=
ag machine for these.</p><p>I=E2=80=99m just throwing that out there for th=
e possibility.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Ford made war produces and they all needed tags =
so some sort of war surplus machine is possible maybe one Ford already had =
on hand.</p><p>=C2=A0</p><p>Ron Fraser</p><p>=C2=A0</p><div><div style=3D"b=
order-color:rgb(225,225,225) currentcolor currentcolor;border-style:solid n=
one none;border-width:1pt medium medium;padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p><strong><sp=
an style=3D"font-family:&quot;calibri&quot;,sans-serif">From:</span></stron=
g> Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_b=
lank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <strong><span style=3D"font-fam=
ily:&quot;calibri&quot;,sans-serif">On Behalf Of </span></strong>Randall An=
tosiak via Tigers<br><strong><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;calibri&quot;=
,sans-serif">Sent:</span></strong> Friday, March 13, 2020 3:49 PM<br><stron=
g><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;calibri&quot;,sans-serif">To:</span></st=
rong> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">tigers@aut=
ox.team.net</a><br><strong><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;calibri&quot;,s=
ans-serif">Subject:</span></strong> [Tigers] Request: Engine Tag Stamping</=
p></div></div><p>=C2=A0</p><div><div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5pt;ma=
rgin-bottom:5pt"><div><div><div><div><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;=
font-family:&quot;helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">Hi Tiger =
People -</span></p></div><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:=
&quot;helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">I want to replace my =
worn engine tag.=C2=A0 I got a fresh tag from Rick, but the problem is that=
 I cannot find a way to stamp the new tag with the engine info.=C2=A0 Anyon=
e have a solution?</span></p></div><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">Thanks,</sp=
an></p></div><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;helvet=
ica&quot;,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">Randy</span></p></div><div><p><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;col=
or:rgb(38,40,42)">=C2=A0</span></p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquo=
te></div></div><div id=3D"gmail-m_-8812779255913283534yiv2506447137gmail-m_=
-8079925845824224077ydp77bda05ayahoo_quoted_5057180910"><div><div><div id=
=3D"gmail-m_-8812779255913283534yiv2506447137gmail-m_-8079925845824224077yd=
p77bda05ayqt94111"><p style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt"><span style=3D"font-size=
:10pt;font-family:&quot;helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">=C2=
=A0</span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" st=
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From: Brian Glenn via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 20:58:34 +0000 (UTC)

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Attached is an article I prepared for a 2018 CAT Tiger Tales newsletter reg=
arding VIN production and font use.Hopefully it will be useful for those lo=
oking to precisely replicate their Tiger VIN tag.
Brian Glenn

 B9470208LRXFE GT
 B9471101LRXFE=20
 B9472615LRXFE=20
 B382000846LRXFE=20
 B382001212LRXFE=20

    On Monday, March 16, 2020, 08:03:36 AM PDT, Dave Munroe via Tigers <tig=
[email-masked]> wrote: =20
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 #yiv8492177425 #yiv8492177425response_container_BBPPID{font-family:initial=
;color:initial;}  Ron;
As you may recall, my Tiger came to me minus the VIN tag. (Eventually TAC'e=
d at the 2010 TE/AE Annual Event in Rockland, Me.)=C2=A0 No doubt it is run=
ning around Mass. attached to an Alger with incorrect rivets.
Ever since, I have been searching the Globe for the correct font type and s=
ize, to=C2=A0 no avail. To complicate matters, having found and studied man=
y many B382XXX VIN plates, it is clear there was more than one set of fonts=
 used, often on the same VIN plate.
It also appears that the font stamp styles may have been unique to the U.K.=
, because of all the vintage stamps I have found on the internet from North=
 America, none are close to those used to stamp our Tiger VIN' and JAL Plat=
es.
If the engine plates were stamped in U.S. or Canada, the chances of finding=
 the correct fonts should be much better.=C2=A0
If anyone ever comes uo with a set, I am sure I am not the only one who wou=
ld pay dearly for a chance to "rent" them to replace my original plate.
Dave in Nova ScotiaB382000450LRXFE=C2=A0 =20
  Sent from my BlackBerry =E2=80=94 the most secure mobile device =E2=80=94=
 via the Bell Network =20
|   From: [email-masked]: March 14, 2020 9:54 AMTo: [email-masked]=
om; [email-masked] to: [email-masked]: tigers@autox.=
team.netSubject: Re: [Tigers] Request: Engine Tag Stamping |

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The big question here is about the original Font for this decal.

=C2=A0

What style Font?

What size Font?

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

It would be nice if someone can identify the original Font or a Font that i=
s very similar.

=C2=A0

It is very possible that is just a typical machinist=E2=80=99s stamp set so=
mething the Cleveland Foundry normally stocked. =C2=A0

=C2=A0

Ron Fraser

=C2=A0

From: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>

=C2=A0

Any locksmith shop should have punches they use to stamp keys.=C2=A0 Not su=
re how close they might look to what you need.

Mark L

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

.team.net writes:=20

=C2=A0

Go to harbor freight and buy a set of =C2=A0punch stamps, use a piece of ta=
pe to keep the line straight and go for it.=20

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Jeff

=C2=A0

Randy

=C2=A0

Ron Fraser

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Hi Tiger People -

Thanks,

Randy

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

[email-masked]

[email-masked]

[email-masked]

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om

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<html><head></head><body><div class=3D"ydpf0f77e22yahoo-style-wrap" style=
=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px=
;"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Attached is an article I pre=
pared for a 2018 CAT Tiger Tales newsletter regarding VIN production and fo=
nt use.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Hopefully it will be us=
eful for those looking to precisely replicate their Tiger VIN tag.</div><di=
v><br></div><div class=3D"ydpf0f77e22signature">Brian Glenn<br><br> B947020=
8LRXFE GT<br> B9471101LRXFE <br> B9472615LRXFE <br> B382000846LRXFE <br> B3=
82001212LRXFE</div></div>
        <div><br></div><div><br></div>
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               =20
                <div>
                    On Monday, March 16, 2020, 08:03:36 AM PDT, Dave Munroe=
 via Tigers &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
                </div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><div id=3D"yiv8492177425"><style>#yiv8492177425 #yiv84=
92177425response_container_BBPPID{font-family:initial;color:initial;}</styl=
e><div><div id=3D"yiv8492177425response_container_BBPPID" style=3D"outline:=
none;"> <div id=3D"yiv8492177425BB10_response_div_BBPPID" style=3D"width:10=
0%;"> Ron;</div><div id=3D"yiv8492177425BB10_response_div_BBPPID" style=3D"=
width:100%;"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div id=3D"yiv8492177425BB10_response=
_div_BBPPID" style=3D"width:100%;">As you may recall, my Tiger came to me m=
inus the VIN tag. (Eventually TAC'ed at the 2010 TE/AE Annual Event in Rock=
land, Me.)&nbsp; No doubt it is running around Mass. attached to an Alger w=
ith incorrect rivets.</div><div id=3D"yiv8492177425BB10_response_div_BBPPID=
" style=3D"width:100%;"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div id=3D"yiv8492177425BB=
10_response_div_BBPPID" style=3D"width:100%;">Ever since, I have been searc=
hing the Globe for the correct font type and size, to&nbsp; no avail. To co=
mplicate matters, having found and studied many many B382XXX VIN plates, it=
 is clear there was more than one set of fonts used, often on the same VIN =
plate.</div><div id=3D"yiv8492177425BB10_response_div_BBPPID" style=3D"widt=
h:100%;"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div id=3D"yiv8492177425BB10_response_div=
_BBPPID" style=3D"width:100%;">It also appears that the font stamp styles m=
ay have been unique to the U.K., because of all the vintage stamps I have f=
ound on the internet from North America, none are close to those used to st=
amp our Tiger VIN' and JAL Plates.</div><div id=3D"yiv8492177425BB10_respon=
se_div_BBPPID" style=3D"width:100%;"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div id=3D"yi=
v8492177425BB10_response_div_BBPPID" style=3D"width:100%;">If the engine pl=
ates were stamped in U.S. or Canada, the chances of finding the correct fon=
ts should be much better.&nbsp;</div><div id=3D"yiv8492177425BB10_response_=
div_BBPPID" style=3D"width:100%;"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div id=3D"yiv84=
92177425BB10_response_div_BBPPID" style=3D"width:100%;">If anyone ever come=
s uo with a set, I am sure I am not the only one who would pay dearly for a=
 chance to "rent" them to replace my original plate.</div><div id=3D"yiv849=
2177425BB10_response_div_BBPPID" style=3D"width:100%;"><br clear=3D"none"><=
/div><div id=3D"yiv8492177425BB10_response_div_BBPPID" style=3D"width:100%;=
">Dave in Nova Scotia</div><div id=3D"yiv8492177425BB10_response_div_BBPPID=
" style=3D"width:100%;">B382000450LRXFE&nbsp;</div>                        =
                                                                           =
                                   <div id=3D"yiv8492177425response_div_spa=
cer_BBPPID" style=3D"width:100%;"> <br clear=3D"none" style=3D"display:init=
ial;"></div>                            <div id=3D"yiv8492177425blackberry_=
signature_BBPPID">     <div id=3D"yiv8492177425_signaturePlaceholder_BBPPID=
">Sent from my BlackBerry =E2=80=94 the most secure mobile device =E2=80=94=
 via the Bell Network</div> </div></div><div class=3D"yiv8492177425yqt58927=
83929" id=3D"yiv8492177425yqt34056"><div id=3D"yiv8492177425_original_msg_h=
eader_BBPPID">                                                             =
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     <table id=3D"yiv8492177425_pHCWrapper_BBPPID" width=3D"100%" style=3D"=
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dy><tr><td colspan=3D"2" rowspan=3D"1" style=3D"background-color:rgb(255, 2=
55, 255);">                           <div style=3D"border-right:none;borde=
r-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(181, 196, 223);padd=
ing:3pt 0in 0in;font-family:Tahoma,;">  <div id=3D"yiv8492177425from"><b>Fr=
om:</b> [email-masked]</div><div id=3D"yiv8492177425sent"><b>Sent:</=
b> March 14, 2020 9:54 AM</div><div id=3D"yiv8492177425to"><b>To:</b> coolv=
[email-masked]; [email-masked]</div><div id=3D"yiv8492177425reply_to">=
<b>Reply to:</b> [email-masked]</div><div id=3D"yiv8492177425cc"><b>C=
c:</b> [email-masked]</div><div id=3D"yiv8492177425subject"><b>Subje=
ct:</b> Re: [Tigers] Request: Engine Tag Stamping</div></div></td></tr></tb=
ody></table> <br clear=3D"none"> </div><div style=3D"outline:none;"><div id=
=3D"yiv8492177425ssc6133"><style>#yiv8492177425 #yiv8492177425ssc6133 p.yiv=
8492177425MsoNormal, #yiv8492177425 #yiv8492177425ssc6133 li.yiv8492177425M=
soNormal, #yiv8492177425 #yiv8492177425ssc6133 div.yiv8492177425MsoNormal{m=
argin:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv8492177425 #yiv8492177=
425ssc6133 a:link, #yiv8492177425 #yiv8492177425ssc6133 span.yiv8492177425M=
soHyperlink{color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv8492177425 #yiv849217=
7425ssc6133 p.yiv8492177425msonormal, #yiv8492177425 #yiv8492177425ssc6133 =
li.yiv8492177425msonormal, #yiv8492177425 #yiv8492177425ssc6133 div.yiv8492=
177425msonormal{margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:11pt;font-family=
:sans-serif;}#yiv8492177425 #yiv8492177425ssc6133 .yiv8492177425MsoChpDefau=
lt{font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv8492177425 #yiv8492177425ssc6=
133 div.yiv8492177425WordSection1{}</style><div><div class=3D"yiv8492177425=
WordSection1"><p class=3D"yiv8492177425MsoNormal">The big question here is =
about the original Font for this decal.</p><p class=3D"yiv8492177425MsoNorm=
al">&nbsp;</p><p class=3D"yiv8492177425MsoNormal">What style Font?</p><p cl=
ass=3D"yiv8492177425MsoNormal">What size Font?</p><p class=3D"yiv8492177425=
MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p><p class=3D"yiv8492177425MsoNormal">I have no expertis=
e in this field so no help there.</p><p class=3D"yiv8492177425MsoNormal">&n=
bsp;</p><p class=3D"yiv8492177425MsoNormal">It would be nice if someone can=
 identify the original Font or a Font that is very similar.</p><p class=3D"=
yiv8492177425MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p><p class=3D"yiv8492177425MsoNormal">It is=
 very possible that is just a typical machinist=E2=80=99s stamp set somethi=
ng the Cleveland Foundry normally stocked. &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"yiv8492177=
425MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p><p class=3D"yiv8492177425MsoNormal">Ron Fraser</p><=
p class=3D"yiv8492177425MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p><p class=3D"yiv8492177425MsoNo=
rmal"><b>From:</b>  <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:co=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
om</a> &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:coolvt@aol.=
com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt=
;<br clear=3D"none"><b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 13, 2020 7:56 PM<br clear=3D=
"none"><b>To:</b>  <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:jef=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:jefferyrandall@gmai=
l.com">[email-masked]</a>; <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" yma=
ilto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:rfras=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br clear=3D"none"><b>Cc:</b>  <a =
rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" ta=
rget=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
</a><br clear=3D"none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Request: Engine Tag Sta=
mping</p><p class=3D"yiv8492177425MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p><div><div><div><p cl=
ass=3D"yiv8492177425MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14pt;font-family:'a=
rial' , sans-serif;color:black;">Any locksmith shop should have punches the=
y use to stamp keys.&nbsp; Not sure how close they might look to what you n=
eed.</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"yiv8492177425MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:14pt;font-family:'arial' , sans-serif;color:black;">Mark L</s=
pan></p></div><div><p class=3D"yiv8492177425MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-=
size:14pt;font-family:'arial' , sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></p><=
/div><div><p class=3D"yiv8492177425MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14pt=
;font-family:'arial' , sans-serif;color:black;">&nbsp;</span></p></div></di=
v><p class=3D"yiv8492177425MsoNormal">In a message dated 3/13/2020 7:27:52 =
PM Eastern Standard Time, <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mai=
lto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
am.net">[email-masked]</a> writes: </p><div><p class=3D"yiv849217742=
5MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p></div><div><blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-le=
ft:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5=
pt;margin-bottom:5pt;"><div id=3D"yiv8492177425"><div><div><p class=3D"yiv8=
492177425MsoNormal">Go to harbor freight and buy a set of &nbsp;punch stamp=
s, use a piece of tape to keep the line straight and go for it. </p><div><p=
 class=3D"yiv8492177425MsoNormal">&nbsp; &nbsp; Jeff</p></div></div><p clas=
s=3D"yiv8492177425MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p><div><div id=3D"yiv8492177425yqt9347=
1"><div><p class=3D"yiv8492177425MsoNormal">On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 7:18 PM=
 Ron Fraser via Tigers &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"ma=
ilto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
eam.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</p></div><blockquote style=3D=
"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-l=
eft:4.8pt;margin-top:5pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5pt;"><div><div><p =
class=3D"yiv8492177425msonormal">Randy</p><p class=3D"yiv8492177425msonorma=
l">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Its possible but don=E2=80=99t know for sure =E2=80=93 t=
he Cleveland Foundry may have used a war surplus dog tag machine for these.=
</p><p class=3D"yiv8492177425msonormal">I=E2=80=99m just throwing that out =
there for the possibility.&nbsp;&nbsp; Ford made war produces and they all =
needed tags so some sort of war surplus machine is possible maybe one Ford =
already had on hand.</p><p class=3D"yiv8492177425msonormal">&nbsp;</p><p cl=
ass=3D"yiv8492177425msonormal">Ron Fraser</p><p class=3D"yiv8492177425msono=
rmal">&nbsp;</p><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1pt=
;padding:3pt 0in 0in 0in;"><p class=3D"yiv8492177425msonormal"><strong><spa=
n style=3D"font-family:'calibri' , sans-serif;">From:</span></strong> Tiger=
s &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:tigers-bounces@a=
utox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
et">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <strong><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:'calibri' , sans-serif;">On Behalf Of </span></strong>Randall Antosiak vi=
a Tigers<br clear=3D"none"><strong><span style=3D"font-family:'calibri' , s=
ans-serif;">Sent:</span></strong> Friday, March 13, 2020 3:49 PM<br clear=
=3D"none"><strong><span style=3D"font-family:'calibri' , sans-serif;">To:</=
span></strong> <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:tigers@=
autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">tig=
[email-masked]</a><br clear=3D"none"><strong><span style=3D"font-family=
:'calibri' , sans-serif;">Subject:</span></strong> [Tigers] Request: Engine=
 Tag Stamping</p></div></div><p class=3D"yiv8492177425msonormal">&nbsp;</p>=
<div><div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt;"><div><div=
><div><div><div><p class=3D"yiv8492177425msonormal"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:12pt;font-family:'helvetica' , sans-serif;color:#26282a;">Hi Tiger People=
 -</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"yiv8492177425msonormal"><span style=3D"=
font-size:12pt;font-family:'helvetica' , sans-serif;color:#26282a;">I want =
to replace my worn engine tag.&nbsp; I got a fresh tag from Rick, but the p=
roblem is that I cannot find a way to stamp the new tag with the engine inf=
o.&nbsp; Anyone have a solution?</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"yiv849217=
7425msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:'helvetica' , sans=
-serif;color:#26282a;">Thanks,</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"yiv84921774=
25msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:'helvetica' , sans-s=
erif;color:#26282a;">Randy</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"yiv8492177425ms=
onormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:'helvetica' , sans-serif=
;color:#26282a;">&nbsp;</span></p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquot=
e></div></div><div id=3D"yiv8492177425gmail-m_-8079925845824224077ydp77bda0=
5ayahoo_quoted_5057180910"><div><div><div id=3D"yiv8492177425gmail-m_-80799=
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ica' , sans-serif;color:#26282a;">&nbsp;</span></p></div></div></div></div>=
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Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 20:13:52 +0000 (UTC)

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 I would like to thank everyone who responded to my request for information=
 about engine tag stamping.=C2=A0 As others have pointed out, there are man=
y inexpensive stamping kits available, but the problem seems to be finding =
a kit with the right font and a hyphen stamp.=C2=A0 Even if I had such a ki=
t, I'm sure it requires practice to make the stamping look professional.
I even visited a typewriter repair store to ask for help, but the owner cou=
ldn't match the font, and in any case he did not think a typewriter key wou=
ld strike with tag sufficient force to stamp the metal.
In the end I gave up on trying to duplicate the engine tag by myself.=C2=A0=
 A member of the Tiger list sent me a glowing recommendation for Larry Atki=
sson, who charges $50 for the job.=C2=A0 I just sent him my blank plate, so=
 I have not yet personally seen his work.=C2=A0 You can contact him at catk=
[email-masked].
- Randy

    On Monday, March 16, 2020, 08:04:03 AM PDT, Ron Fraser via Tigers <tige=
[email-masked]> wrote: =20
=20
=20
Dave

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 You are very correct about the Vin plate Font.=C2=A0=C2=A0 =
Brian Glenn wrote an excellent article about this and explains how serif an=
d sans serif fonts were both used on the tags.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I believe Presse=
d Steel stamped the vin # and paint code then Jensen stamped the engine #; =
2 different processes.

 =C2=A0

I have a set of 1/8=E2=80=9D steel stamps, probably from Harbor Freight mad=
e in China, which are about the correct size.

0 - is not open enough

1 - does have a flag

 =C2=A0

The Calibri font this email I=E2=80=99m typing with is similar to the origi=
nal but I have not examined this font closely enough.

 =C2=A0

I have not explored the Font the Cleveland Foundry may have used on these d=
ecals.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Ford Corporate seemed to like Franklin font.

I=E2=80=99m of the opinion the Cleveland Foundry stamped and applied the va=
lve cover decal.=C2=A0=C2=A0 It was part of their Export engine process and=
 accounting process.

 =C2=A0

It would seem to me there is a typewriter somewhere that has the correct fo=
nt.

I believe the Cleveland Foundry used something like a typewriter for this b=
ut the decals were most likely on a ribbon for production purposes.

 =C2=A0

It might be necessary to have stamps laser cut to precisely match the origi=
nal font style, size and strike depth.

 =C2=A0

Ron Fraser

 =C2=A0

 =C2=A0

 =C2=A0

From: Dave Munroe <[email-masked]>=20
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2020 10:23 AM
To: Ron Fraser <[email-masked]>; Mark L <[email-masked]>; Jeffery Ran=
dall <[email-masked]>; Tiger Net <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Request: Engine Tag Stamping

 =C2=A0

Ron;

 =C2=A0

 =C2=A0

 =C2=A0

 =C2=A0

 =C2=A0

 =C2=A0

Dave in Nova Scotia

B382000450LRXFE=C2=A0

 =C2=A0

Sent from my BlackBerry =E2=80=94 the most secure mobile device =E2=80=94 v=
ia the Bell Network

|=20
From: [email-masked]

To: [email-masked]; [email-masked]

Reply to: [email-masked]

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 =C2=A0

=C2=A0

What style Font?

What size Font?

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Ron Fraser

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Mark L

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Jeff

=C2=A0

Randy

=C2=A0

Ron Fraser

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Hi Tiger People -

Thanks,

Randy

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

[email-masked]

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=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px=
;"><div></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">I would like to thank everyo=
ne who responded to my request for information about engine tag stamping.&n=
bsp; As others have pointed out, there are many inexpensive stamping kits a=
vailable, but the problem seems to be finding a kit with the right font and=
 a hyphen stamp.&nbsp; Even if I had such a kit, I'm sure it requires pract=
ice to make the stamping look professional.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setd=
ir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">I even visite=
d a typewriter repair store to ask for help, but the owner couldn't match t=
he font, and in any case he did not think a typewriter key would strike wit=
h tag sufficient force to stamp the metal.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdi=
r=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">In the end I g=
ave up on trying to duplicate the engine tag by myself.&nbsp; A member of t=
he Tiger list sent me a glowing recommendation for Larry Atkisson, who char=
ges $50 for the job.&nbsp; I just sent him my blank plate, so I have not ye=
t personally seen his work.&nbsp; You can contact him at [email-masked].=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" dat=
a-setdir=3D"false">- Randy</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br>=
</div><div><br></div>
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dce313yahoo_quoted">
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ans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;">
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                <div>
                    On Monday, March 16, 2020, 08:04:03 AM PDT, Ron Fraser =
via Tigers &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
                </div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><div id=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218"><div><div class=
=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218WordSection1"><p class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462=
218MsoNormal">Dave</p><p class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218MsoNormal">&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp; You are very correct about the Vin plate Font.&nbsp;&nbsp; Brian =
Glenn wrote an excellent article about this and explains how serif and sans=
 serif fonts were both used on the tags.&nbsp;&nbsp; I believe Pressed Stee=
l stamped the vin # and paint code then Jensen stamped the engine #; 2 diff=
erent processes.</p><p class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218MsoNormal"> &nbsp;<=
/p><p class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218MsoNormal">I have a set of 1/8=E2=80=
=9D steel stamps, probably from Harbor Freight made in China, which are abo=
ut the correct size.</p><p class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218MsoNormal">Some=
 of the stamps look similar to the original but not all of them.</p><p clas=
s=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218MsoNormal">0 - is not open enough</p><p class=
=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218MsoNormal">1 - does have a flag</p><p class=3D"=
ydp95dce313yiv1193462218MsoNormal">2 =E2=80=93 is not open enough</p><p cla=
ss=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218MsoNormal">3,5,6,9 =E2=80=93 are not open eno=
ugh</p><p class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218MsoNormal">The same goes for the=
 letters; some look close others are too tight.</p><p class=3D"ydp95dce313y=
iv1193462218MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218MsoNo=
rmal">The Calibri font this email I=E2=80=99m typing with is similar to the=
 original but I have not examined this font closely enough.</p><p class=3D"=
ydp95dce313yiv1193462218MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv119=
3462218MsoNormal">I have not explored the Font the Cleveland Foundry may ha=
ve used on these decals.&nbsp;&nbsp; Ford Corporate seemed to like Franklin=
 font.</p><p class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218MsoNormal">I=E2=80=99m of the=
 opinion the Cleveland Foundry stamped and applied the valve cover decal.&n=
bsp;&nbsp; It was part of their Export engine process and accounting proces=
s.</p><p class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D=
"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218MsoNormal">It would seem to me there is a typewrit=
er somewhere that has the correct font.</p><p class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv119346=
2218MsoNormal">I believe the Cleveland Foundry used something like a typewr=
iter for this but the decals were most likely on a ribbon for production pu=
rposes.</p><p class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p cla=
ss=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218MsoNormal">It might be necessary to have stam=
ps laser cut to precisely match the original font style, size and strike de=
pth.</p><p class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=
=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218MsoNormal">Ron Fraser</p><p class=3D"ydp95dce31=
3yiv1193462218MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218Mso=
Normal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</=
p><div class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218yqt9519717458" id=3D"ydp95dce313yiv=
1193462218yqt16364"><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1=
 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><p class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218MsoN=
ormal"><b>From:</b> Dave Munroe &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br clear=3D"none"><=
b>Sent:</b> Saturday, March 14, 2020 10:23 AM<br clear=3D"none"><b>To:</b> =
Ron Fraser &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Mark L &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Jef=
fery Randall &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Tiger Net &lt;[email-masked]=
eam.net&gt;<br clear=3D"none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Request: Engine =
Tag Stamping</p></div></div><p class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218MsoNormal">=
 &nbsp;</p><div id=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218response_container_BBPPID"><d=
iv id=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218BB10_response_div_BBPPID"><p class=3D"ydp9=
5dce313yiv1193462218MsoNormal"><span>Ron;</span></p></div><div id=3D"ydp95d=
ce313yiv1193462218BB10_response_div_BBPPID"><p class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv11934=
62218MsoNormal"><span> &nbsp;</span></p></div><div id=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193=
462218BB10_response_div_BBPPID"><p class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218MsoNorm=
al"><span>As you may recall, my Tiger came to me minus the VIN tag. (Eventu=
ally TAC'ed at the 2010 TE/AE Annual Event in Rockland, Me.)&nbsp; No doubt=
 it is running around Mass. attached to an Alger with incorrect rivets.</sp=
an></p></div><div id=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218BB10_response_div_BBPPID"><=
p class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218MsoNormal"><span> &nbsp;</span></p></div=
><div id=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218BB10_response_div_BBPPID"><p class=3D"y=
dp95dce313yiv1193462218MsoNormal"><span>Ever since, I have been searching t=
he Globe for the correct font type and size, to&nbsp; no avail. To complica=
te matters, having found and studied many many B382XXX VIN plates, it is cl=
ear there was more than one set of fonts used, often on the same VIN plate.=
</span></p></div><div id=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218BB10_response_div_BBPPI=
D"><p class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218MsoNormal"><span> &nbsp;</span></p><=
/div><div id=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218BB10_response_div_BBPPID"><p class=
=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218MsoNormal"><span>It also appears that the font =
stamp styles may have been unique to the U.K., because of all the vintage s=
tamps I have found on the internet from North America, none are close to th=
ose used to stamp our Tiger VIN' and JAL Plates.</span></p></div><div id=3D=
"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218BB10_response_div_BBPPID"><p class=3D"ydp95dce313y=
iv1193462218MsoNormal"><span> &nbsp;</span></p></div><div id=3D"ydp95dce313=
yiv1193462218BB10_response_div_BBPPID"><p class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218=
MsoNormal"><span>If the engine plates were stamped in U.S. or Canada, the c=
hances of finding the correct fonts should be much better.&nbsp;</span></p>=
</div><div id=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218BB10_response_div_BBPPID"><p class=
=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218MsoNormal"><span> &nbsp;</span></p></div><div i=
d=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218BB10_response_div_BBPPID"><p class=3D"ydp95dce=
313yiv1193462218MsoNormal"><span>If anyone ever comes uo with a set, I am s=
ure I am not the only one who would pay dearly for a chance to "rent" them =
to replace my original plate.</span></p></div><div id=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193=
462218BB10_response_div_BBPPID"><p class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218MsoNorm=
al"><span> &nbsp;</span></p></div><div id=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218BB10_r=
esponse_div_BBPPID"><p class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218MsoNormal"><span>Da=
ve in Nova Scotia</span></p></div><div id=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218BB10_r=
esponse_div_BBPPID"><p class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218MsoNormal"><span>B3=
82000450LRXFE&nbsp;</span></p></div><div id=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218resp=
onse_div_spacer_BBPPID"><p class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218MsoNormal"><spa=
n> &nbsp;</span></p></div><div id=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218blackberry_sig=
nature_BBPPID"><div id=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218_signaturePlaceholder_BBP=
PID"><p class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218MsoNormal"><span>Sent from my Blac=
kBerry =E2=80=94 the most secure mobile device =E2=80=94 via the Bell Netwo=
rk</span></p></div></div></div><div id=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218_original=
_msg_header_BBPPID"><table class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218MsoNormalTable"=
 border=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" width=3D"100%" style=3D"width:100.0%;backgr=
ound:white;"><tbody><tr><td colspan=3D"1" rowspan=3D"1" style=3D"padding:.7=
5pt .75pt .75pt .75pt;"><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF =
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><div id=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218from">=
<p class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> </span><span st=
yle=3D"color:black;"><a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">tige=
[email-masked]</span></a></span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"></span=
></p></div><div id=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218sent"><p class=3D"ydp95dce313=
yiv1193462218MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">Sent:</span></=
b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> March 14, 2020 9:54 AM</span><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"></span></p></div><div id=3D"ydp95dce313yiv11934622=
18to"><p class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font=
-size:10.0pt;">To:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> </span><spa=
n style=3D"color:black;"><a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" r=
el=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">coolvt@=
aol.com</span></a></span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">; </span><span s=
tyle=3D"color:black;"><a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:jefferyrandall@gmail=
.com" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">=
[email-masked]</span></a></span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"=
></span></p></div><div id=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218reply_to"><p class=3D"=
ydp95dce313yiv1193462218MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">Rep=
ly to:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> </span><span style=3D"c=
olor:black;"><a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"=
nofollow" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">rfraser@bluef=
rog.com</span></a></span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"></span></p></div=
><div id=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218cc"><p class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv119346221=
8MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">Cc:</span></b><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> </span><span style=3D"color:black;"><a shape=3D"rec=
t" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank"=
><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">[email-masked]</span></a></span><=
span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"></span></p></div><div id=3D"ydp95dce313yiv=
1193462218subject"><p class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218MsoNormal"><b><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">Subject:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.=
0pt;"> Re: [Tigers] Request: Engine Tag Stamping</span><span style=3D"font-=
size:10.0pt;"></span></p></div></div></td></tr></tbody></table><p class=3D"=
ydp95dce313yiv1193462218MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p></div><div><div id=3D"ydp95dc=
e313yiv1193462218ssc6133"><div><div><p class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218Mso=
Normal">The big question here is about the original Font for this decal.</p=
><p class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydp95=
dce313yiv1193462218MsoNormal">What style Font?</p><p class=3D"ydp95dce313yi=
v1193462218MsoNormal">What size Font?</p><p class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv11934622=
18MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218MsoNormal">I hav=
e no expertise in this field so no help there.</p><p class=3D"ydp95dce313yi=
v1193462218MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218MsoNorm=
al">It would be nice if someone can identify the original Font or a Font th=
at is very similar.</p><p class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218MsoNormal">&nbsp=
;</p><p class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218MsoNormal">It is very possible tha=
t is just a typical machinist=E2=80=99s stamp set something the Cleveland F=
oundry normally stocked. &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218MsoN=
ormal">&nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218MsoNormal">Ron Fraser<=
/p><p class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydp=
95dce313yiv1193462218MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mail=
to:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"color:=
blue;">[email-masked]</span></a> &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:coolv=
[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"color:blue;">c=
[email-masked]</span></a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none"><b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 1=
3, 2020 7:56 PM<br clear=3D"none"><b>To:</b> <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mail=
to:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank"><span style=
=3D"color:blue;">[email-masked]</span></a>; <a shape=3D"rect" hre=
f=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D"color:blue;">[email-masked]</span></a><br clear=3D"none"><b>=
Cc:</b> <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofo=
llow" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"color:blue;">[email-masked]</=
span></a><br clear=3D"none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Request: Engine Ta=
g Stamping</p><p class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p><div=
><div><div><p class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fo=
nt-size:14.0pt;">Any locksmith shop should have punches they use to stamp k=
eys.&nbsp; Not sure how close they might look to what you need.</span></p><=
/div><div><p class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:14.0pt;">Mark L</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv11934=
62218MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;">&nbsp;</span></p></div><d=
iv><p class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:=
14.0pt;">&nbsp;</span></p></div></div><p class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218M=
soNormal">In a message dated 3/13/2020 7:27:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, <a=
 shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" targ=
et=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"color:blue;">[email-masked]</span></a> =
writes: </p><div><p class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p><=
/div><div><blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;pad=
ding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.=
0pt;"><div id=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218"><div><div><p class=3D"ydp95dce31=
3yiv1193462218MsoNormal">Go to harbor freight and buy a set of &nbsp;punch =
stamps, use a piece of tape to keep the line straight and go for it. </p><d=
iv><p class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218MsoNormal">&nbsp; &nbsp; Jeff</p></d=
iv></div><p class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p><div><div=
 id=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218yqt93471"><div><p class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv119=
3462218MsoNormal">On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 7:18 PM Ron Fraser via Tigers &lt=
;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" t=
arget=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"color:blue;">[email-masked]</span></=
a>&gt; wrote:</p></div><blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #=
CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;m=
argin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><div><div><p class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1=
193462218msonormal">Randy</p><p class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218msonormal"=
>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Its possible but don=E2=80=99t know for sure =E2=80=93 the=
 Cleveland Foundry may have used a war surplus dog tag machine for these.</=
p><p class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218msonormal">I=E2=80=99m just throwing =
that out there for the possibility.&nbsp;&nbsp; Ford made war produces and =
they all needed tags so some sort of war surplus machine is possible maybe =
one Ford already had on hand.</p><p class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218msonor=
mal">&nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218msonormal">Ron Fraser</p=
><p class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218msonormal">&nbsp;</p><div><div style=
=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;">=
<p class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218msonormal"><strong><span>From:</span></=
strong> Tigers &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
am.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"color:blue;">tige=
[email-masked]</span></a>&gt; <strong><span>On Behalf Of </span>=
</strong>Randall Antosiak via Tigers<br clear=3D"none"><strong><span>Sent:<=
/span></strong> Friday, March 13, 2020 3:49 PM<br clear=3D"none"><strong><s=
pan>To:</span></strong> <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked].=
net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"color:blue;">tigers@=
autox.team.net</span></a><br clear=3D"none"><strong><span>Subject:</span></=
strong> [Tigers] Request: Engine Tag Stamping</p></div></div><p class=3D"yd=
p95dce313yiv1193462218msonormal">&nbsp;</p><div><div><blockquote style=3D"m=
argin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><div><div><div><div><div><p class=3D"=
ydp95dce313yiv1193462218msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">Hi Tig=
er People -</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218msonor=
mal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">I want to replace my worn engine tag=
.&nbsp; I got a fresh tag from Rick, but the problem is that I cannot find =
a way to stamp the new tag with the engine info.&nbsp; Anyone have a soluti=
on?</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218msonormal"><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">Thanks,</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp=
95dce313yiv1193462218msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">Randy</sp=
an></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218msonormal"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">&nbsp;</span></p></div></div></div></div></div></bl=
ockquote></div></div><div id=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218gmail-m_-8079925845=
824224077ydp77bda05ayahoo_quoted_5057180910"><div><div><div id=3D"ydp95dce3=
13yiv1193462218gmail-m_-8079925845824224077ydp77bda05ayqt94111"><p class=3D=
"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218msonormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">&nbsp;</span></p></div></div></div></div></div><=
/div><p class=3D"ydp95dce313yiv1193462218MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:=
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From: Mark Rense via Tigers <[email-masked]>
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That=E2=80=99s who did mine! Glad someone stepped up with that recommendati=
on.

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 4:15 PM Randall Antosiak via Tigers <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> I would like to thank everyone who responded to my request for informatio=
n
> about engine tag stamping.  As others have pointed out, there are many
> inexpensive stamping kits available, but the problem seems to be finding =
a
> kit with the right font and a hyphen stamp.  Even if I had such a kit, I'=
m
> sure it requires practice to make the stamping look professional.
>
> I even visited a typewriter repair store to ask for help, but the owner
> couldn't match the font, and in any case he did not think a typewriter ke=
y
> would strike with tag sufficient force to stamp the metal.
>
> In the end I gave up on trying to duplicate the engine tag by myself.  A
> member of the Tiger list sent me a glowing recommendation for Larry
> Atkisson, who charges $50 for the job.  I just sent him my blank plate, s=
o
> I have not yet personally seen his work.  You can contact him at
> [email-masked].
>
> - Randy
>
>
> On Monday, March 16, 2020, 08:04:03 AM PDT, Ron Fraser via Tigers <
>                 You are very correct about the Vin plate Font.   Brian
> Glenn wrote an excellent article about this and explains how serif and sa=
ns
> serif fonts were both used on the tags.   I believe Pressed Steel stamped
> the vin # and paint code then Jensen stamped the engine #; 2 different
> processes.
>
>
>
> I have a set of 1/8=E2=80=9D steel stamps, probably from Harbor Freight m=
ade in
> China, which are about the correct size.
>
> The Calibri font this email I=E2=80=99m typing with is similar to the ori=
ginal but
> I have not examined this font closely enough.
>
>
>
> I have not explored the Font the Cleveland Foundry may have used on these
> decals.   Ford Corporate seemed to like Franklin font.
>
valve
> cover decal.   It was part of their Export engine process and accounting
> process.
>
>
>
> It would seem to me there is a typewriter somewhere that has the correct
> font.
>
> I believe the Cleveland Foundry used something like a typewriter for this
> but the decals were most likely on a ribbon for production purposes.
>
>
>
> It might be necessary to have stamps laser cut to precisely match the
> *From:* Dave Munroe <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 14, 2020 10:23 AM
> *To:* Ron Fraser <[email-masked]>; Mark L <[email-masked]>; Jeffery
AL
.
 via the Bell
something
e Cleveland
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> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/[email-masked]
>
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<div><div dir=3D"auto">That=E2=80=99s who did mine! Glad someone stepped up=
 with that recommendation.=C2=A0</div></div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 4:15 PM =
Randall Antosiak via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">ti=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-styl=
e:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div><div styl=
e=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font=
-size:16px"><div style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,=
Arial,sans-serif"></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,He=
lvetica,Arial,sans-serif">I would like to thank everyone who responded to m=
y request for information about engine tag stamping.=C2=A0 As others have p=
ointed out, there are many inexpensive stamping kits available, but the pro=
blem seems to be finding a kit with the right font and a hyphen stamp.=C2=
=A0 Even if I had such a kit, I&#39;m sure it requires practice to make the=
 stamping look professional.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family:&qu=
ot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div dir=3D"l=
tr" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-se=
rif">I even visited a typewriter repair store to ask for help, but the owne=
r couldn&#39;t match the font, and in any case he did not think a typewrite=
r key would strike with tag sufficient force to stamp the metal.</div><div =
dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial=
,sans-serif"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetic=
a Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">In the end I gave up on trying to =
duplicate the engine tag by myself.=C2=A0 A member of the Tiger list sent m=
e a glowing recommendation for Larry Atkisson, who charges $50 for the job.=
=C2=A0 I just sent him my blank plate, so I have not yet personally seen hi=
s work.=C2=A0 You can contact him at <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" t=
arget=3D"_blank" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,=
Arial,sans-serif">[email-masked]</a>.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"fon=
t-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><br></div><=
div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,A=
rial,sans-serif">- Randy</div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family:&quot;H=
elvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div style=3D"fon=
t-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><br></div>
       =20
        </div><div id=3D"m_3528195015743682121ydp95dce313yahoo_quoted_53185=
52842">
            <div style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,=
Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:rgb(38,40,42)"></div></div></div><div=
><div id=3D"m_3528195015743682121ydp95dce313yahoo_quoted_5318552842"><div s=
tyle=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;f=
ont-size:13px;color:rgb(38,40,42)">
               =20
                <div style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvet=
ica,Arial,sans-serif">
                    On Monday, March 16, 2020, 08:04:03 AM PDT, Ron Fraser =
via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" s=
tyle=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:
                </div>
                <div style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvet=
ica,Arial,sans-serif"><br></div>
                <div style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvet=
ica,Arial,sans-serif"><br></div>
                </div></div></div><div><div id=3D"m_3528195015743682121ydp9=
5dce313yahoo_quoted_5318552842"><div style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica N=
eue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><d=
iv style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-ser=
if"></div></div></div></div><div><div id=3D"m_3528195015743682121ydp95dce31=
3yahoo_quoted_5318552842"><div style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&qu=
ot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><div sty=
le=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><d=
iv id=3D"m_3528195015743682121ydp95dce313yiv1193462218" style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><div style=3D"font=
-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><div style=
=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><p s=
tyle=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">=
Dave</p><p style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,=
sans-serif">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 You are very correct about the Vin plate Font.=
=C2=A0=C2=A0 Brian Glenn wrote an excellent article about this and explains=
 how serif and sans serif fonts were both used on the tags.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I b=
elieve Pressed Steel stamped the vin # and paint code then Jensen stamped t=
he engine #; 2 different processes.</p><p style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvet=
ica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"> =C2=A0</p><p style=3D"font-fami=
ly:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">I have a set of 1=
/8=E2=80=9D steel stamps, probably from Harbor Freight made in China, which=
 are about the correct size.</p><p style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neu=
e&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">Some of the stamps look similar to the =
original but not all of them.</p><p style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Ne=
ue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">0 - is not open enough</p><p style=3D"=
font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">1 - does=
 have a flag</p><p style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetic=
a,Arial,sans-serif">2 =E2=80=93 is not open enough</p><p style=3D"font-fami=
ly:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">3,5,6,9 =E2=80=93=
 are not open enough</p><p style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,=
Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">The same goes for the letters; some look close =
others are too tight.</p><p style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;=
,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"> =C2=A0</p><p style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helve=
tica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">The Calibri font this email I=
=E2=80=99m typing with is similar to the original but I have not examined t=
his font closely enough.</p><p style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&qu=
ot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"> =C2=A0</p><p style=3D"font-family:&quot;He=
lvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">I have not explored the Font=
 the Cleveland Foundry may have used on these decals.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Ford Corp=
orate seemed to like Franklin font.</p><p style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvet=
ica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">I=E2=80=99m of the opinion the C=
leveland Foundry stamped and applied the valve cover decal.=C2=A0=C2=A0 It =
was part of their Export engine process and accounting process.</p><p style=
=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"> =C2=
=A0</p><p style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,s=
ans-serif">It would seem to me there is a typewriter somewhere that has the=
 correct font.</p><p style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvet=
ica,Arial,sans-serif">I believe the Cleveland Foundry used something like a=
 typewriter for this but the decals were most likely on a ribbon for produc=
tion purposes.</p><p style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvet=
ica,Arial,sans-serif"> =C2=A0</p><p style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Ne=
ue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">It might be necessary to have stamps l=
aser cut to precisely match the original font style, size and strike depth.=
</p><p style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans=
-serif"> =C2=A0</p><p style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helve=
tica,Arial,sans-serif">Ron Fraser</p><p style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetic=
a Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"> =C2=A0</p><p style=3D"font-family=
:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"> =C2=A0</p><p style=
=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"> =C2=
=A0</p><div id=3D"m_3528195015743682121ydp95dce313yiv1193462218yqt16364" st=
yle=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><=
div style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-se=
rif"><div style=3D"border-style:solid none none;border-top-width:1pt;paddin=
g:3pt 0in 0in;font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-s=
erif;border-top-color:rgb(225,225,225)"><p style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helve=
tica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><b style=3D"font-family:&quot;H=
elvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">From:</b> Dave Munroe &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"font-family:&qu=
ot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
<br clear=3D"none"><b style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helve=
tica,Arial,sans-serif">Sent:</b> Saturday, March 14, 2020 10:23 AM<br clear=
=3D"none"><b style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Aria=
l,sans-serif">To:</b> Ron Fraser &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helveti=
ca,Arial,sans-serif">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; Mark L &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica=
 Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; Jeffery Ran=
dall &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" styl=
e=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">jef=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;; Tiger Net &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Tigers@autox=
.team.net" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot=
;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"non=
e"><b style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-=
serif">Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Request: Engine Tag Stamping</p></div></di=
v><p style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-s=
erif"> =C2=A0</p><div id=3D"m_3528195015743682121ydp95dce313yiv1193462218re=
sponse_container_BBPPID" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,He=
lvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><div id=3D"m_3528195015743682121ydp95dce313yiv119=
3462218BB10_response_div_BBPPID" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&=
quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><p style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica N=
eue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helv=
etica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">Ron;</span></p></div><div id=
=3D"m_3528195015743682121ydp95dce313yiv1193462218BB10_response_div_BBPPID" =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"=
><p style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-se=
rif"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,=
sans-serif"> =C2=A0</span></p></div><div id=3D"m_3528195015743682121ydp95dc=
e313yiv1193462218BB10_response_div_BBPPID" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helve=
tica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><p style=3D"font-family:&quot;H=
elvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-family:=
&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">As you may recall, m=
y Tiger came to me minus the VIN tag. (Eventually TAC&#39;ed at the 2010 TE=
/AE Annual Event in Rockland, Me.)=C2=A0 No doubt it is running around Mass=
. attached to an Alger with incorrect rivets.</span></p></div><div id=3D"m_=
3528195015743682121ydp95dce313yiv1193462218BB10_response_div_BBPPID" style=
=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><p s=
tyle=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">=
<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-=
serif"> =C2=A0</span></p></div><div id=3D"m_3528195015743682121ydp95dce313y=
iv1193462218BB10_response_div_BBPPID" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica =
Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><p style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvet=
ica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot=
;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">Ever since, I have been s=
earching the Globe for the correct font type and size, to=C2=A0 no avail. T=
o complicate matters, having found and studied many many B382XXX VIN plates=
, it is clear there was more than one set of fonts used, often on the same =
VIN plate.</span></p></div><div id=3D"m_3528195015743682121ydp95dce313yiv11=
93462218BB10_response_div_BBPPID" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue=
&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><p style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica =
Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Hel=
vetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"> =C2=A0</span></p></div><div =
id=3D"m_3528195015743682121ydp95dce313yiv1193462218BB10_response_div_BBPPID=
" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-seri=
f"><p style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-=
serif"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Aria=
l,sans-serif">It also appears that the font stamp styles may have been uniq=
ue to the U.K., because of all the vintage stamps I have found on the inter=
net from North America, none are close to those used to stamp our Tiger VIN=
&#39; and JAL Plates.</span></p></div><div id=3D"m_3528195015743682121ydp95=
dce313yiv1193462218BB10_response_div_BBPPID" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Hel=
vetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><p style=3D"font-family:&quot=
;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"> =C2=A0</span></p>=
</div><div id=3D"m_3528195015743682121ydp95dce313yiv1193462218BB10_response=
_div_BBPPID" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Aria=
l,sans-serif"><p style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,=
Arial,sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Hel=
vetica,Arial,sans-serif">If the engine plates were stamped in U.S. or Canad=
a, the chances of finding the correct fonts should be much better.=C2=A0</s=
pan></p></div><div id=3D"m_3528195015743682121ydp95dce313yiv1193462218BB10_=
response_div_BBPPID" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvet=
ica,Arial,sans-serif"><p style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,He=
lvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&q=
uot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"> =C2=A0</span></p></div><div id=3D"m_35281=
95015743682121ydp95dce313yiv1193462218BB10_response_div_BBPPID" style=3D"fo=
nt-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><p style=
=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><spa=
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vetica,Arial,sans-serif">[email-masked]</span></a></span><span style=
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ans-serif"></span></p></div><div id=3D"m_3528195015743682121ydp95dce313yiv1=
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vetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">Sent:</span></b><span style=
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tyle=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">=
<span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvet=
ica,Arial,sans-serif">Cc:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-fami=
ly:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"> </span><span sty=
le=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;col=
or:black"><a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"no=
follow" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,H=
elvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;=
Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">[email-masked]</spa=
n></a></span><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue=
&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"></span></p></div><div id=3D"m_3528195015=
743682121ydp95dce313yiv1193462218subject" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvet=
ica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><p style=3D"font-family:&quot;He=
lvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><b style=3D"font-family:&quo=
t;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size=
:10pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">Su=
bject:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica =
Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"> Re: [Tigers] Request: Engine Tag St=
amping</span><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue=
&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"></span></p></div></div></td></tr></tbody=
></table><p style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial=
,sans-serif"> =C2=A0</p></div><div style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neu=
e&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><div id=3D"m_3528195015743682121ydp95dc=
e313yiv1193462218ssc6133" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,H=
elvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><div style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&q=
uot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><div style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica =
Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><p style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvet=
ica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">The big question here is about t=
he original Font for this decal.</p><p style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica=
 Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">=C2=A0</p><p style=3D"font-family:&=
quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">What style Font?</p><=
p style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-seri=
f">What size Font?</p><p style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,He=
lvetica,Arial,sans-serif">=C2=A0</p><p style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica=
 Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">I have no expertise in this field s=
o no help there.</p><p style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helv=
etica,Arial,sans-serif">=C2=A0</p><p style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica N=
eue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">It would be nice if someone can ident=
ify the original Font or a Font that is very similar.</p><p style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">=C2=A0</p><p s=
tyle=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">=
It is very possible that is just a typical machinist=E2=80=99s stamp set so=
mething the Cleveland Foundry normally stocked. =C2=A0</p><p style=3D"font-=
family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">=C2=A0</p><p =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"=
>Ron Fraser</p><p style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica=
,Arial,sans-serif">=C2=A0</p><p style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&q=
uot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><b style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Ne=
ue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">From:</b> <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"ma=
ilto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"font-famil=
y:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><span style=3D"fon=
t-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;color:blue">=
[email-masked]</span></a> &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
om" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica=
 Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;He=
lvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;color:blue">[email-masked]</s=
pan></a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none"><b style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue=
&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">Sent:</b> Friday, March 13, 2020 7:56 PM=
<br clear=3D"none"><b style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helve=
tica,Arial,sans-serif">To:</b> <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:jefferyrand=
[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"font-family:&quo=
t;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-fami=
ly:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;color:blue">jeffer=
[email-masked]</span></a>; <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:rfraser@blu=
efrog.com" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"font-family:&quot;He=
lvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-family:&=
quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;color:blue">rfraser@bl=
uefrog.com</span></a><br clear=3D"none"><b style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helve=
tica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">Cc:</b> <a shape=3D"rect" href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" style=
=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><spa=
n style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-seri=
f;color:blue">[email-masked]</span></a><br clear=3D"none"><b style=
=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">Subj=
ect:</b> Re: [Tigers] Request: Engine Tag Stamping</p><p style=3D"font-fami=
ly:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">=C2=A0</p><div st=
yle=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><=
div style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-se=
rif"><div style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,s=
ans-serif"><p style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Ari=
al,sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:14pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica Ne=
ue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">Any locksmith shop should have punches=
 they use to stamp keys.=C2=A0 Not sure how close they might look to what y=
ou need.</span></p></div><div style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quo=
t;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><p style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue=
&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:14pt;font-famil=
y:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">Mark L</span></p><=
/div><div style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,s=
ans-serif"><p style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Ari=
al,sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:14pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica Ne=
ue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">=C2=A0</span></p></div><div style=3D"f=
ont-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><p style=
=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:14pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,=
Arial,sans-serif">=C2=A0</span></p></div></div><p style=3D"font-family:&quo=
t;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">In a message dated 3/13/=
2020 7:27:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:tig=
[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"font-family=
:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><span style=3D"font=
-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;color:blue">t=
[email-masked]</span></a> writes: </p><div style=3D"font-family:&quot=
;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><p style=3D"font-family:&=
quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">=C2=A0</p></div><div =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"=
><blockquote style=3D"border-style:none none none solid;border-left-width:1=
.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5pt;margin-botto=
m:5pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;bor=
der-left-color:blue"><div id=3D"m_3528195015743682121ydp95dce313yiv11934622=
18" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-se=
rif"><div style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,s=
ans-serif"><div style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,A=
rial,sans-serif"><p style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helveti=
ca,Arial,sans-serif">Go to harbor freight and buy a set of =C2=A0punch stam=
ps, use a piece of tape to keep the line straight and go for it. </p><div s=
tyle=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">=
<p style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-ser=
if">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Jeff</p></div></div><p style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helveti=
ca Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">=C2=A0</p><div style=3D"font-fami=
ly:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><div id=3D"m_3528=
195015743682121ydp95dce313yiv1193462218yqt93471" style=3D"font-family:&quot=
;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><div style=3D"font-family=
:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><p style=3D"font-fa=
mily:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">On Fri, Mar 13,=
 2020 at 7:18 PM Ron Fraser via Tigers &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><span style=3D"=
font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;color:blu=
e">[email-masked]</span></a>&gt; wrote:</p></div><blockquote style=
=3D"border-style:none none none solid;border-left-width:1pt;padding:0in 0in=
 0in 6pt;margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,He=
lvetica,Arial,sans-serif;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div style=3D"=
font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><div sty=
le=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><p=
 style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif=
">Randy</p><p style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Ari=
al,sans-serif">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Its possible but don=E2=80=99t know for sure=
 =E2=80=93 the Cleveland Foundry may have used a war surplus dog tag machin=
e for these.</p><p style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetic=
a,Arial,sans-serif">I=E2=80=99m just throwing that out there for the possib=
ility.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Ford made war produces and they all needed tags so some =
sort of war surplus machine is possible maybe one Ford already had on hand.=
</p><p style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans=
-serif">=C2=A0</p><p style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvet=
ica,Arial,sans-serif">Ron Fraser</p><p style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica=
 Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">=C2=A0</p><div style=3D"font-family=
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e&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">From:</span></strong> Tigers &lt;<a sha=
pe=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" =
target=3D"_blank" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica=
,Arial,sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,He=
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a>&gt; <strong style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Ar=
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tica,Arial,sans-serif">On Behalf Of </span></strong>Randall Antosiak via Ti=
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Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">Sent:</span></strong> Friday, March =
13, 2020 3:49 PM<br clear=3D"none"><strong style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helve=
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t;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">To:</span></strong> <a s=
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ial,sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helve=
tica,Arial,sans-serif">Subject:</span></strong> [Tigers] Request: Engine Ta=
g Stamping</p></div></div><p style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot=
;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">=C2=A0</p><div style=3D"font-family:&quot;Hel=
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if">Hi Tiger People -</span></p></div><div style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helve=
tica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><p style=3D"font-family:&quot;H=
elvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:12=
pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">I wan=
t to replace my worn engine tag.=C2=A0 I got a fresh tag from Rick, but the=
 problem is that I cannot find a way to stamp the new tag with the engine i=
nfo.=C2=A0 Anyone have a solution?</span></p></div><div style=3D"font-famil=
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From: A M via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 19:15:32 -0600 (MDT)

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If Larry does it,it's correct. Alex=20

From: "Mark Rense via Tigers" <[email-masked]>=20
To: "Randall Antosiak" <[email-masked]>=20
Cc: "Tiger Net" <[email-masked]>=20
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 3:05:08 PM=20
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Request: Engine Tag Stamping=20

on.=20

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 4:15 PM Randall Antosiak via Tigers < [ mailto:tige=
[email-masked] | [email-masked] ] > wrote:=20

I would like to thank everyone who responded to my request for information =
about engine tag stamping. As others have pointed out, there are many inexp=
ensive stamping kits available, but the problem seems to be finding a kit w=
ith the right font and a hyphen stamp. Even if I had such a kit, I'm sure i=
t requires practice to make the stamping look professional.=20

I even visited a typewriter repair store to ask for help, but the owner cou=
ldn't match the font, and in any case he did not think a typewriter key wou=
ld strike with tag sufficient force to stamp the metal.=20

In the end I gave up on trying to duplicate the engine tag by myself. A mem=
ber of the Tiger list sent me a glowing recommendation for Larry Atkisson, =
who charges $50 for the job. I just sent him my blank plate, so I have not =
yet personally seen his work. You can contact him at [ mailto:catkisson@aol=
.com | [email-masked] ] .=20

- Randy=20

On Monday, March 16, 2020, 08:04:03 AM PDT, Ron Fraser via Tigers < [ mailt=
o:[email-masked] | [email-masked] ] > wrote:=20

Dave=20

You are very correct about the Vin plate Font. Brian Glenn wrote an excelle=
nt article about this and explains how serif and sans serif fonts were both=
 used on the tags. I believe Pressed Steel stamped the vin # and paint code=
 then Jensen stamped the engine #; 2 different processes.=20

I have a set of 1/8=E2=80=9D steel stamps, probably from Harbor Freight mad=
e in China, which are about the correct size.=20

Some of the stamps look similar to the original but not all of them.=20

0 - is not open enough=20

1 - does have a flag=20

2 =E2=80=93 is not open enough=20

3,5,6,9 =E2=80=93 are not open enough=20

The same goes for the letters; some look close others are too tight.=20

The Calibri font this email I=E2=80=99m typing with is similar to the origi=
nal but I have not examined this font closely enough.=20

I have not explored the Font the Cleveland Foundry may have used on these d=
ecals. Ford Corporate seemed to like Franklin font.=20

I=E2=80=99m of the opinion the Cleveland Foundry stamped and applied the va=
lve cover decal. It was part of their Export engine process and accounting =
process.=20

nt.=20

I believe the Cleveland Foundry used something like a typewriter for this b=
ut the decals were most likely on a ribbon for production purposes.=20

It might be necessary to have stamps laser cut to precisely match the origi=
nal font style, size and strike depth.=20

Ron Fraser=20

From: Dave Munroe < [ mailto:[email-masked] | [email-masked] ] >=20
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2020 10:23 AM=20
To: Ron Fraser < [ mailto:[email-masked] | [email-masked] ] >; =
Mark L < [ mailto:[email-masked] | [email-masked] ] >; Jeffery Randall < [ =
mailto:[email-masked] | [email-masked] ] >; Tiger Net <=
 [ mailto:[email-masked] | [email-masked] ] >=20
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Request: Engine Tag Stamping=20

Ron;=20

As you may recall, my Tiger came to me minus the VIN tag. (Eventually TAC'e=
d at the 2010 TE/AE Annual Event in Rockland, Me.) No doubt it is running a=
round Mass. attached to an Alger with incorrect rivets.=20

Ever since, I have been searching the Globe for the correct font type and s=
ize, to no avail. To complicate matters, having found and studied many many=
 B382XXX VIN plates, it is clear there was more than one set of fonts used,=
 often on the same VIN plate.=20

es.=20

If the engine plates were stamped in U.S. or Canada, the chances of finding=
 the correct fonts should be much better.=20

If anyone ever comes uo with a set, I am sure I am not the only one who wou=
ld pay dearly for a chance to "rent" them to replace my original plate.=20

Dave in Nova Scotia=20

B382000450LRXFE=20

ia the Bell Network=20

From: [ mailto:[email-masked] | [email-masked] ]=20

Sent: March 14, 2020 9:54 AM=20

To: [ mailto:[email-masked] | [email-masked] ] ; [ mailto:jefferyrandall@gm=
ail.com | [email-masked] ]=20

Reply to: [ mailto:[email-masked] | [email-masked] ]=20

Cc: [ mailto:[email-masked] | [email-masked] ]=20

Subject: Re: [Tigers] Request: Engine Tag Stamping=20

The big question here is about the original Font for this decal.=20

What style Font?=20

What size Font?=20

I have no expertise in this field so no help there.=20

s very similar.=20

It is very possible that is just a typical machinist=E2=80=99s stamp set so=
mething the Cleveland Foundry normally stocked.=20

Ron Fraser=20

From: [ mailto:[email-masked] | [email-masked] ] < [ mailto:[email-masked] =
| [email-masked] ] >=20
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 7:56 PM=20
To: [ mailto:[email-masked] | [email-masked] ] ; [ mail=
to:[email-masked] | [email-masked] ]=20
Cc: [ mailto:[email-masked] | [email-masked] ]=20
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Request: Engine Tag Stamping=20

Any locksmith shop should have punches they use to stamp keys. Not sure how=
 close they might look to what you need.=20

Mark L=20

In a message dated 3/13/2020 7:27:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, [ mailto:tig=
[email-masked] | [email-masked] ] writes:=20

BQ_BEGIN

Go to harbor freight and buy a set of punch stamps, use a piece of tape to =
keep the line straight and go for it.=20

Jeff=20

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 7:18 PM Ron Fraser via Tigers < [ mailto:tigers@aut=
ox.team.net | [email-masked] ] > wrote:=20

BQ_BEGIN

Randy=20

Its possible but don=E2=80=99t know for sure =E2=80=93 the Cleveland Foundr=
y may have used a war surplus dog tag machine for these.=20

I=E2=80=99m just throwing that out there for the possibility. Ford made war=
 produces and they all needed tags so some sort of war surplus machine is p=
ossible maybe one Ford already had on hand.=20

Ron Fraser=20

From: Tigers < [ mailto:[email-masked] | tigers-bounces@auto=
x.team.net ] > On Behalf Of Randall Antosiak via Tigers=20
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 3:49 PM=20
To: [ mailto:[email-masked] | [email-masked] ]=20
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I want to replace my worn engine tag. I got a fresh tag from Rick, but the =
problem is that I cannot find a way to stamp the new tag with the engine in=
fo. Anyone have a solution?=20

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<html><body><div style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-s=
ize: 10pt; color: #000000"><div>If Larry does it,it's correct.&nbsp; &nbsp;=
Alex</div><div><br></div><hr id=3D"zwchr" data-marker=3D"__DIVIDER__"><div =
data-marker=3D"__HEADERS__"><b>From: </b>"Mark Rense via Tigers" &lt;tigers=
@autox.team.net&gt;<br><b>To: </b>"Randall Antosiak" &lt;[email-masked]=
&gt;<br><b>Cc: </b>"Tiger Net" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Sent: </=
b>Friday, March 20, 2020 3:05:08 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Tigers] Request=
: Engine Tag Stamping<br></div><div><br></div><div data-marker=3D"__QUOTED_=
TEXT__"><div><div dir=3D"auto">That=E2=80=99s who did mine! Glad someone st=
epped up with that recommendation.&nbsp;</div></div><div><br><div class=3D"=
gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at =
4:15 PM Randall Antosiak via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer">[email-masked]=
eam.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb( 204 , 204 , 204 )"><div><div style=3D"f=
ont-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif;font-size:=
16px"><div style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , =
sans-serif"></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica=
' , 'arial' , sans-serif">I would like to thank everyone who responded to m=
y request for information about engine tag stamping.&nbsp; As others have p=
ointed out, there are many inexpensive stamping kits available, but the pro=
blem seems to be finding a kit with the right font and a hyphen stamp.&nbsp=
; Even if I had such a kit, I'm sure it requires practice to make the stamp=
ing look professional.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family:'helvetic=
a neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" st=
yle=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif">I=
 even visited a typewriter repair store to ask for help, but the owner coul=
dn't match the font, and in any case he did not think a typewriter key woul=
d strike with tag sufficient force to stamp the metal.</div><div dir=3D"ltr=
" style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-seri=
f"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helv=
etica' , 'arial' , sans-serif">In the end I gave up on trying to duplicate =
the engine tag by myself.&nbsp; A member of the Tiger list sent me a glowin=
g recommendation for Larry Atkisson, who charges $50 for the job.&nbsp; I j=
ust sent him my blank plate, so I have not yet personally seen his work.&nb=
sp; You can contact him at <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"fo=
nt-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif" target=3D"=
_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>.</div><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial=
' , sans-serif"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family:'helvetica =
neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif">- Randy</div><div dir=3D"ltr" s=
tyle=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif">=
<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial=
' , sans-serif"><br></div>
       =20
        </div><div id=3D"m_3528195015743682121ydp95dce313yahoo_quoted_53185=
52842">
            <div style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'ari=
al' , sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:rgb( 38 , 40 , 42 )"></div></div></di=
v><div><div id=3D"m_3528195015743682121ydp95dce313yahoo_quoted_5318552842">=
<div style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-s=
erif;font-size:13px;color:rgb( 38 , 40 , 42 )">
               =20
                <div style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , =
'arial' , sans-serif">
                    On Monday, March 16, 2020, 08:04:03 AM PDT, Ron Fraser =
via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"font-famil=
y:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif" target=3D"_blank" =
rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:
                </div>
                <div style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , =
'arial' , sans-serif"><br></div>
                <div style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , =
'arial' , sans-serif"><br></div>
                </div></div></div><div><div id=3D"m_3528195015743682121ydp9=
5dce313yahoo_quoted_5318552842"><div style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' =
, 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:rgb( 38 , 40 , 42=
 )"><div style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sa=
ns-serif"></div></div></div></div><div><div id=3D"m_3528195015743682121ydp9=
5dce313yahoo_quoted_5318552842"><div style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' =
, 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:rgb( 38 , 40 , 42=
 )"><div style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sa=
ns-serif"><div id=3D"m_3528195015743682121ydp95dce313yiv1193462218" style=
=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"><div=
 style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif=
"><div style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans=
-serif"><p style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , =
sans-serif">Dave</p><p style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' =
, 'arial' , sans-serif">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; You are very correct about the Vin =
plate Font.&nbsp;&nbsp; Brian Glenn wrote an excellent article about this a=
nd explains how serif and sans serif fonts were both used on the tags.&nbsp=
;&nbsp; I believe Pressed Steel stamped the vin # and paint code then Jense=
n stamped the engine #; 2 different processes.</p><p style=3D"font-family:'=
helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"> &nbsp;</p><p style=
=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif">I ha=
ve a set of 1/8=E2=80=9D steel stamps, probably from Harbor Freight made in=
 China, which are about the correct size.</p><p style=3D"font-family:'helve=
tica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif">Some of the stamps look si=
milar to the original but not all of them.</p><p style=3D"font-family:'helv=
etica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif">0 - is not open enough</p=
><p style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-se=
rif">1 - does have a flag</p><p style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'he=
lvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif">2 =E2=80=93 is not open enough</p><p style=
=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif">3,5,=
6,9 =E2=80=93 are not open enough</p><p style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neu=
e' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif">The same goes for the letters; som=
e look close others are too tight.</p><p style=3D"font-family:'helvetica ne=
ue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"> &nbsp;</p><p style=3D"font-famil=
y:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif">The Calibri font t=
his email I=E2=80=99m typing with is similar to the original but I have not=
 examined this font closely enough.</p><p style=3D"font-family:'helvetica n=
eue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"> &nbsp;</p><p style=3D"font-fami=
ly:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif">I have not explor=
ed the Font the Cleveland Foundry may have used on these decals.&nbsp;&nbsp=
; Ford Corporate seemed to like Franklin font.</p><p style=3D"font-family:'=
helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif">I=E2=80=99m of the op=
inion the Cleveland Foundry stamped and applied the valve cover decal.&nbsp=
;&nbsp; It was part of their Export engine process and accounting process.<=
/p><p style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-=
serif"> &nbsp;</p><p style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , =
'arial' , sans-serif">It would seem to me there is a typewriter somewhere t=
hat has the correct font.</p><p style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'he=
lvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif">I believe the Cleveland Foundry used somet=
hing like a typewriter for this but the decals were most likely on a ribbon=
 for production purposes.</p><p style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'he=
lvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"> &nbsp;</p><p style=3D"font-family:'helvet=
ica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif">It might be necessary to ha=
ve stamps laser cut to precisely match the original font style, size and st=
rike depth.</p><p style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'ar=
ial' , sans-serif"> &nbsp;</p><p style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'h=
elvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif">Ron Fraser</p><p style=3D"font-family:'he=
lvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"> &nbsp;</p><p style=3D"=
font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"> &nbsp;<=
/p><p style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-=
serif"> &nbsp;</p><div id=3D"m_3528195015743682121ydp95dce313yiv1193462218y=
qt16364" style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sa=
ns-serif"><div style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial=
' , sans-serif"><div style=3D"border-style:solid none none;border-top-width=
:1pt;padding:3pt 0in 0in;font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'aria=
l' , sans-serif;border-top-color:rgb( 225 , 225 , 225 )"><p style=3D"font-f=
amily:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"><b style=3D"fo=
nt-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif">From:</b> =
Dave Munroe &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"font-family:'hel=
vetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D=
"nofollow noopener noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; <br clear=3D"none"><b=
 style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif=
">Sent:</b> Saturday, March 14, 2020 10:23 AM<br clear=3D"none"><b style=3D=
"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif">To:</b>=
 Ron Fraser &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"font-famil=
y:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif" target=3D"_blank" =
rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; Mark L &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' =
, 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noo=
pener noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; Jeffery Randall &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:[email-masked]" style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'hel=
vetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noopener =
noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;; Tiger Net &lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:[email-masked]" style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetic=
a' , 'arial' , sans-serif" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noopener noref=
errer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none"><b style=3D"font-fam=
ily:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif">Subject:</b> Re:=
 [Tigers] Request: Engine Tag Stamping</p></div></div><p style=3D"font-fami=
ly:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"> &nbsp;</p><div i=
d=3D"m_3528195015743682121ydp95dce313yiv1193462218response_container_BBPPID=
" style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-seri=
f"><div id=3D"m_3528195015743682121ydp95dce313yiv1193462218BB10_response_di=
v_BBPPID" style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , s=
ans-serif"><p style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial'=
 , sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , =
'arial' , sans-serif">Ron;</span></p></div><div id=3D"m_3528195015743682121=
ydp95dce313yiv1193462218BB10_response_div_BBPPID" style=3D"font-family:'hel=
vetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"><p style=3D"font-family:=
'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-=
family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"> &nbsp;</span=
></p></div><div id=3D"m_3528195015743682121ydp95dce313yiv1193462218BB10_res=
ponse_div_BBPPID" style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'ar=
ial' , sans-serif"><p style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' ,=
 'arial' , sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helve=
tica' , 'arial' , sans-serif">As you may recall, my Tiger came to me minus =
the VIN tag. (Eventually TAC'ed at the 2010 TE/AE Annual Event in Rockland,=
 Me.)&nbsp; No doubt it is running around Mass. attached to an Alger with i=
ncorrect rivets.</span></p></div><div id=3D"m_3528195015743682121ydp95dce31=
3yiv1193462218BB10_response_div_BBPPID" style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neu=
e' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"><p style=3D"font-family:'helvetica=
 neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-family:'he=
lvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"> &nbsp;</span></p></div=
><div id=3D"m_3528195015743682121ydp95dce313yiv1193462218BB10_response_div_=
BBPPID" style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , san=
s-serif"><p style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' ,=
 sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'a=
rial' , sans-serif">Ever since, I have been searching the Globe for the cor=
rect font type and size, to&nbsp; no avail. To complicate matters, having f=
ound and studied many many B382XXX VIN plates, it is clear there was more t=
han one set of fonts used, often on the same VIN plate.</span></p></div><di=
v id=3D"m_3528195015743682121ydp95dce313yiv1193462218BB10_response_div_BBPP=
ID" style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-se=
rif"><p style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , san=
s-serif"><span style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial=
' , sans-serif"> &nbsp;</span></p></div><div id=3D"m_3528195015743682121ydp=
95dce313yiv1193462218BB10_response_div_BBPPID" style=3D"font-family:'helvet=
ica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"><p style=3D"font-family:'he=
lvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-fam=
ily:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif">It also appears =
that the font stamp styles may have been unique to the U.K., because of all=
 the vintage stamps I have found on the internet from North America, none a=
re close to those used to stamp our Tiger VIN' and JAL Plates.</span></p></=
div><div id=3D"m_3528195015743682121ydp95dce313yiv1193462218BB10_response_d=
iv_BBPPID" style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , =
sans-serif"><p style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial=
' , sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' ,=
 'arial' , sans-serif"> &nbsp;</span></p></div><div id=3D"m_352819501574368=
2121ydp95dce313yiv1193462218BB10_response_div_BBPPID" style=3D"font-family:=
'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"><p style=3D"font-fam=
ily:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"><span style=3D"f=
ont-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif">If the en=
gine plates were stamped in U.S. or Canada, the chances of finding the corr=
ect fonts should be much better.&nbsp;</span></p></div><div id=3D"m_3528195=
015743682121ydp95dce313yiv1193462218BB10_response_div_BBPPID" style=3D"font=
-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"><p style=3D"=
font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"><span st=
yle=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"> =
&nbsp;</span></p></div><div id=3D"m_3528195015743682121ydp95dce313yiv119346=
2218BB10_response_div_BBPPID" style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helv=
etica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"><p style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , '=
helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-family:'helvetica ne=
ue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif">If anyone ever comes uo with a se=
t, I am sure I am not the only one who would pay dearly for a chance to "re=
nt" them to replace my original plate.</span></p></div><div id=3D"m_3528195=
015743682121ydp95dce313yiv1193462218BB10_response_div_BBPPID" style=3D"font=
-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"><p style=3D"=
font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"><span st=
yle=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"> =
&nbsp;</span></p></div><div id=3D"m_3528195015743682121ydp95dce313yiv119346=
2218BB10_response_div_BBPPID" style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helv=
etica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"><p style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , '=
helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-family:'helvetica ne=
ue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif">Dave in Nova Scotia</span></p></d=
iv><div id=3D"m_3528195015743682121ydp95dce313yiv1193462218BB10_response_di=
v_BBPPID" style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , s=
ans-serif"><p style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial'=
 , sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , =
'arial' , sans-serif">B382000450LRXFE&nbsp;</span></p></div><div id=3D"m_35=
28195015743682121ydp95dce313yiv1193462218response_div_spacer_BBPPID" style=
=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"><p s=
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<span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , =
'arial' , sans-serif">Cc:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-fami=
ly:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"> </span><span sty=
le=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif;col=
or:black"><a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"no=
follow nofollow noopener noreferrer" style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' =
, 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"font=
-size:10pt;font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-seri=
f">[email-masked]</span></a></span><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;fon=
t-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"></span></p>=
</div><div id=3D"m_3528195015743682121ydp95dce313yiv1193462218subject" styl=
e=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"><p =
style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"=
><b style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-se=
rif"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetic=
a' , 'arial' , sans-serif">Subject:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10pt=
;font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"> Re: [T=
igers] Request: Engine Tag Stamping</span><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;fon=
t-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"></span></p>=
</div></div></td></tr></tbody></table><p style=3D"font-family:'helvetica ne=
ue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"> &nbsp;</p></div><div style=3D"fo=
nt-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"><div id=3D=
"m_3528195015743682121ydp95dce313yiv1193462218ssc6133" style=3D"font-family=
:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"><div style=3D"font-=
family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"><div style=3D=
"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"><p styl=
e=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif">The=
 big question here is about the original Font for this decal.</p><p style=
=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif">&nbs=
p;</p><p style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sa=
ns-serif">What style Font?</p><p style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'h=
elvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif">What size Font?</p><p style=3D"font-famil=
y:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif">&nbsp;</p><p style=
=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif">I ha=
ve no expertise in this field so no help there.</p><p style=3D"font-family:=
'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif">&nbsp;</p><p style=
=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif">It w=
ould be nice if someone can identify the original Font or a Font that is ve=
ry similar.</p><p style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'ar=
ial' , sans-serif">&nbsp;</p><p style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'he=
lvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif">It is very possible that is just a typical=
 machinist=E2=80=99s stamp set something the Cleveland Foundry normally sto=
cked. &nbsp;</p><p style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'a=
rial' , sans-serif">&nbsp;</p><p style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'h=
elvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif">Ron Fraser</p><p style=3D"font-family:'he=
lvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif">&nbsp;</p><p style=3D"f=
ont-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"><b style=
=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif">From=
:</b> <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow nofo=
llow noopener noreferrer" style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetic=
a' , 'arial' , sans-serif" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"font-family:'he=
lvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif;color:blue">[email-masked]=
om</span></a> &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"n=
ofollow nofollow noopener noreferrer" style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue'=
 , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"fon=
t-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif;color:blue">=
[email-masked]</span></a>&gt;<br clear=3D"none"><b style=3D"font-family:'he=
lvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif">Sent:</b> Friday, March=
 13, 2020 7:56 PM<br clear=3D"none"><b style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue=
' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif">To:</b> <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"m=
ailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow nofollow noopener noreferre=
r" style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-ser=
if" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvet=
ica' , 'arial' , sans-serif;color:blue">[email-masked]</span></a>=
; <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow no=
follow noopener noreferrer" style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvet=
ica' , 'arial' , sans-serif" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"font-family:'=
helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif;color:blue">rfraser@bl=
uefrog.com</span></a><br clear=3D"none"><b style=3D"font-family:'helvetica =
neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif">Cc:</b> <a shape=3D"rect" href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow nofollow noopener norefer=
rer" style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-s=
erif" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helv=
etica' , 'arial' , sans-serif;color:blue">[email-masked]</span></a><=
br clear=3D"none"><b style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , =
'arial' , sans-serif">Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Request: Engine Tag Stampin=
g</p><p style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , san=
s-serif">&nbsp;</p><div style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica'=
 , 'arial' , sans-serif"><div style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helv=
etica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"><div style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' ,=
 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"><p style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neu=
e' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:14pt;font=
-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif">Any locksmit=
h shop should have punches they use to stamp keys.&nbsp; Not sure how close=
 they might look to what you need.</span></p></div><div style=3D"font-famil=
y:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"><p style=3D"font-f=
amily:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"><span style=3D=
"font-size:14pt;font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans=
-serif">Mark L</span></p></div><div style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' ,=
 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"><p style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neu=
e' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:14pt;font=
-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif">&nbsp;</span=
></p></div><div style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'aria=
l' , sans-serif"><p style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , '=
arial' , sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:14pt;font-family:'helvetica n=
eue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif">&nbsp;</span></p></div></div><p =
style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"=
>In a message dated 3/13/2020 7:27:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, <a shape=3D=
"rect" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow nofollow noope=
ner noreferrer" style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'aria=
l' , sans-serif" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"font-family:'helvetica ne=
ue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif;color:blue">[email-masked]<=
/span></a> writes: </p><div style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvet=
ica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"><p style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'he=
lvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif">&nbsp;</p></div><div style=3D"font-family:=
'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"><blockquote style=3D=
"border-style:none none none solid;border-left-width:1.5pt;padding:0in 0in =
0in 4pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt;font-family:'he=
lvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif;border-left-color:blue">=
<div id=3D"m_3528195015743682121ydp95dce313yiv1193462218" style=3D"font-fam=
ily:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"><div style=3D"fo=
nt-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"><div style=
=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"><p s=
tyle=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif">=
Go to harbor freight and buy a set of &nbsp;punch stamps, use a piece of ta=
pe to keep the line straight and go for it. </p><div style=3D"font-family:'=
helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"><p style=3D"font-fami=
ly:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif">&nbsp; &nbsp; Jef=
f</p></div></div><p style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , '=
arial' , sans-serif">&nbsp;</p><div style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' ,=
 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"><div id=3D"m_3528195015743682121ydp95d=
ce313yiv1193462218yqt93471" style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvet=
ica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"><div style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , '=
helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"><p style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue'=
 , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif">On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 7:18 PM Ron =
Fraser via Tigers &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
t" rel=3D"nofollow nofollow noopener noreferrer" style=3D"font-family:'helv=
etica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif" target=3D"_blank"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif;c=
olor:blue">[email-masked]</span></a>&gt; wrote:</p></div><blockquote=
 style=3D"border-style:none none none solid;border-left-width:1pt;padding:0=
in 0in 0in 6pt;margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt;font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'hel=
vetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif;border-left-color:rgb( 204 , 204 , 204 )"><d=
iv style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-ser=
if"><div style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sa=
ns-serif"><p style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' =
, sans-serif">Randy</p><p style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetic=
a' , 'arial' , sans-serif">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Its possible but don=E2=80=99t k=
now for sure =E2=80=93 the Cleveland Foundry may have used a war surplus do=
g tag machine for these.</p><p style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'hel=
vetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif">I=E2=80=99m just throwing that out there fo=
r the possibility.&nbsp;&nbsp; Ford made war produces and they all needed t=
ags so some sort of war surplus machine is possible maybe one Ford already =
had on hand.</p><p style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'a=
rial' , sans-serif">&nbsp;</p><p style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'h=
elvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif">Ron Fraser</p><p style=3D"font-family:'he=
lvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif">&nbsp;</p><div style=3D=
"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"><div st=
yle=3D"border-style:solid none none;border-top-width:1pt;padding:3pt 0in 0i=
n;font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif;border-=
top-color:rgb( 225 , 225 , 225 )"><p style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' =
, 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"><strong style=3D"font-family:'helveti=
ca neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-family:'=
helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif">From:</span></strong>=
 Tigers &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=
 rel=3D"nofollow nofollow noopener noreferrer" style=3D"font-family:'helvet=
ica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif" target=3D"_blank"><span sty=
le=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif;col=
or:blue">[email-masked]</span></a>&gt; <strong style=3D"font=
-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"><span style=
=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif">On B=
ehalf Of </span></strong>Randall Antosiak via Tigers<br clear=3D"none"><str=
ong style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-se=
rif"><span style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , =
sans-serif">Sent:</span></strong> Friday, March 13, 2020 3:49 PM<br clear=
=3D"none"><strong style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'ar=
ial' , sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica=
' , 'arial' , sans-serif">To:</span></strong> <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mai=
lto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow nofollow noopener noreferrer" st=
yle=3D"font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif" t=
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a' , 'arial' , sans-serif">Subject:</span></strong> [Tigers] Request: Engin=
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ans-serif">Hi Tiger People -</span></p></div><div style=3D"font-family:'hel=
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'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-=
size:12pt;font-family:'helvetica neue' , 'helvetica' , 'arial' , sans-serif=
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ngine info.&nbsp; Anyone have a solution?</span></p></div><div style=3D"fon=
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