Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 12, Issue 14

From: Joe Brown via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2020 13:50:18 -0600

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Has anyone ever replaced their two-piece rear axles with one-piece axles?
The guy at the axle shop I am working with says he thinks he can get
one-piece axles made to replace what I have.  I was just wondering if
anybody has ever gone down this route.

Thanks,
Joe Brown

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 5:20 PM Joe Brown <[email-masked]> wrote:

> I took it to a shop today that works on transmissions and axles and they
> are going to take a look at it. The owner said he has worked on Tigers
> before and thought they were great. A younger guy in the shop said "a what".
>
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020, 4:49 PM clyde mclaughlin via Tigers <
> [email-masked]> wrote:
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>> HiJoe, If its only .007 out of true, remove the studs and have a
>> machinist turn the face of the hub down until it is true, even .010
>> machined off will not effect the performance of the hub, Clyde
>>
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>> Hi,
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>> As I slowly work through the world's slowest restoration I'm finally to
>> the
>> point where I can almost drive my Tiger.  I have it on jack stands and
>> I've
>> been fixing various little leaks here and there and the other day I fired
>> it up and put it gear to make sure I had the clutch set up right.  With
>> the
>> rear wheels spinning I happened to look at the passenger side and saw a
>> noticeable wobble.  Many, many years ago when I bought the car from the
>> original owner it had been in a rear end collision and I'm guessing that's
>> when the passenger side of the axle got messed up.
>>
>> The brake drum was very hard to get off and the lugs don't look very good.
>> I put a dial gauge on the hub and it seems like it is bent in by one of
>> the
>> lugs about .007".  I'm taking the axle back out of the car and taking it
>> to
>> a axle shop to get their opinion.  If I need a new hub I'm wondering if
>> anybody knows where I get a new or good used hub.  I see that SS has axles
>> but not hubs.
>>
>> Anybody know where I can get one if I need it?  Or has anybody
>> successfully
>> straightened one out?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Joe Brown
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Has anyone ever replaced their two-piece rear axles with o=
ne-piece axles?=C2=A0 The guy at the axle shop I am working with says he th=
inks he can get one-piece axles made to replace what I have.=C2=A0 I was ju=
st wondering if anybody has ever gone down this route.<div><br></div><div>T=
hanks,</div><div>Joe Brown</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 5:20 PM Joe Brown &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; w=
rote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0p=
x 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=
=3D"auto">I took it to a shop today that works on transmissions and axles a=
nd they are going to take a look at it. The owner said he has worked on Tig=
ers before and thought they were great. A younger guy in the shop said &quo=
t;a what&quot;.</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 23, 2020, 4:49 PM clyde mclaughlin via Tigers &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">tigers@autox.=
team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-le=
ft:1ex">
<div style=3D"color:black;font:10pt arial">HiJoe, If its only .007 out of t=
rue, remove the studs and have a machinist turn the face of the hub down un=
til it is true, even .010 machined off will not effect the performance of t=
he hub, Clyde<br>
<br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">As I slowly work through the world&#39;s slowest restorati=
on I&#39;m finally to the<br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">point where I can almost drive my Tiger.=C2=A0 I have it o=
n jack stands and I&#39;ve<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">been fixing various little leaks here and there and the ot=
her day I fired<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">it up and put it gear to make sure I had the clutch set up=
 right.=C2=A0 With the<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">rear wheels spinning I happened to look at the passenger s=
ide and saw a<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">noticeable wobble.=C2=A0 Many, many years ago when I bough=
t the car from the<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">original owner it had been in a rear end collision and I&#=
39;m guessing that&#39;s<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">when the passenger side of the axle got messed up.<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">The brake drum was very hard to get off and the lugs don&#=
39;t look very good.<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">I put a dial gauge on the hub and it seems like it is bent=
 in by one of the<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">lugs about .007&quot;.=C2=A0 I&#39;m taking the axle back =
out of the car and taking it to<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">a axle shop to get their opinion.=C2=A0 If I need a new hu=
b I&#39;m wondering if<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr">anybody knows where I get a new or good used hub.=C2=A0 I =
see that SS has axles<br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">but not hubs.<br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Anybody know where I can get one if I need it?=C2=A0 Or ha=
s anybody successfully<br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">straightened one out?<br>
</div>

<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks,<br>
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From: Tom Hall via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2020 17:53:09 -0800

On 2/13/2020 11:50 AM, Joe Brown via Tigers wrote:
> Has anyone ever replaced their two-piece rear axles with one-piece 
> axles?  The guy at the axle shop I am working with says he thinks he 
> can get one-piece axles made to replace what I have.  I was just 
> wondering if anybody has ever gone down this route.
>
> Thanks,
> Joe Brown
>
Dear Joe,

The problem with your potential solution is that the Tiger 
(Salisbury-Dana 44) uses tapered axle bearings and these bearing are 
supposed to be "set up" with shims which control the "end clearance" 
from axle to axle.  One piece axles normally use ball bearings which do 
not need "shimming" because the ball style bearings don't need or use 
shims.  Since the bearing assembly would have to be put on the axle from 
the center, a method of retaining the bearing on the inside would be 
required.  A retainer groove would certainly reduce axle strength in a 
critical area, so a press-on retainer would be the other obvious way to 
hold the axle from sliding out under side loads.  Sounds like a lot of 
set up time and very unsafe to me.  You can always switch to a different 
axle/housing system such as a narrowed 9" Ford.  Others have done that, 
but your looking at a lot more work than replacing hubs and axles.

I'd recommend you stick with the OEM system.

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