Subject: Re: [Tigers] ebay listing: isn't this illegal?

From: "Dr. T. Y. McDowell via Tigers" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 16:39:43 -0500 (EST)

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Well,  if it isn't, it damn well should be!

Tym McDowell

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California Vehicle Code 10752 VC makes it a crime to sell a vehicle =
identification number or to possess a VIN that is stolen or fraudulent. =
This offense is also a wobbler. A misdemeanor conviction carries a =
sentence of up to one year in county jail; a felony conviction carries =
up to 3 years in state prison.

Underlined is mine. It appears OK to have, but not sell the VIN. What I =
find almost comical is the statement, =E2=80=9Cor even more useful if =
you happen to have the Tiger these came on originally.=E2=80=9D Which, =
begs the question, how would you know?

From: Dr. T. Y. McDowell via Tigers=20
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2020 1:39 PM
To: heinz mihm ; heinz mihm via Tigers=20
Subject: Re: [Tigers] ebay listing: isn't this illegal?

Well,  if it isn't, it damn well should be!=20

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is mine. It appears OK to have, but not sell the VIN. What I find almost =
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happen to have=20
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Roman'">https://www.ebay.com/itm/333453015993?ul_noapp=3Dtrue</SPAN></A> =

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We hope Norm sees and records the VIN.

Tom P

On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 4:47 PM Tom Witt via Tigers <[email-masked]>
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> *California* Vehicle Code 10752 VC makes it a crime to *sell* a vehicle
> identification *number* or to *possess a **VIN** that is stolen or
> fraudulent*. This offense is also a wobbler. A misdemeanor conviction
> carries a sentence of up to one year in county jail; a felony conviction
> carries up to 3 years in state prison.
>
> Underlined is mine. It appears OK to have, but not sell the VIN. What I
> find almost comical is the statement, =E2=80=9Cor even more useful if you=
 happen
> to have the Tiger these came on originally.=E2=80=9D Which, begs the ques=
tion,
> how would you know?
>
> *From:* Dr. T. Y. McDowell via Tigers <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 08, 2020 1:39 PM
> *To:* heinz mihm <[email-masked]> ; heinz mihm via Tigers
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> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] ebay listing: isn't this illegal?
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<div dir=3D"ltr">We hope Norm sees and records the VIN.<div><br></div><div>=
Tom P</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"=
ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 4:47 PM Tom Witt via Tiger=
s &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt=
; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px=
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rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">

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<div><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#222222"><b>California</b><span><s=
pan>=C2=A0</span>Vehicle=20
Code 10752 VC makes it a crime to<span>=C2=A0</span></span><b>sell</b><span=
><span>=C2=A0</span>a=20
vehicle identification<span>=C2=A0</span></span><b>number</b><span><span>=
=C2=A0</span>or=20
to <u>possess a<span>=C2=A0</span></u></span><b><u>VIN</u></b><span><u><spa=
n>=C2=A0</span>that=20
is stolen or fraudulent</u>. This offense is also a wobbler. A misdemeanor=
=20
conviction carries a sentence of up to one year in county jail; a felony=20
conviction carries up to 3 years in state prison.</span></font></font></div=
<div><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#222222"><span></span></font></fon=
t>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#222222"><span>Underlined=20
is mine. It appears OK to have, but not sell the VIN. What I find almost co=
mical=20
is the statement, =E2=80=9C<span><font style=3D"font-size:18pt" color=3D"#0=
00000">or even more useful if you happen to have=20
the Tiger these came on originally.=E2=80=9D <font size=3D"3">Which, begs t=
he question, how=20
would you know?</font></font></span></span></font></font></div>
<div style=3D"font-size:small;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri;font=
-weight:normal;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;display:inline">
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title=3D"[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:tigers@=
autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">Dr. T. Y. McDowell via Tigers</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 08, 2020 1:39 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
" target=3D"_blank">heinz=20
mihm</a> ; <a title=3D"[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
eam.net" target=3D"_blank">heinz mihm via Tigers</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] ebay listing: isn&#39;t this=20
illegal?</div></div></div>
<div>=C2=A0</div></div>
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-weight:normal;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;display:inline">
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;color:r=
gb(51,51,51)">Well,=C2=A0=20
if it isn&#39;t, it damn well should be! </div>
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;color:r=
gb(51,51,51)">=C2=A0</div>
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gb(51,51,51)">Tym=20
McDowell </div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">On January 8, 2020 at 4:15 PM heinz mihm via Tige=
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rget=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;">htt=
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