Subject: [Tigers] British car colors from the 60's

From: clyde mclaughlin via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2020 16:34:32 +0000 (UTC)

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It looks like now the discussions on the correct green color has settled do=
wn, I would like to add a comment based on dealership employment back in th=
e early 70's. =C2=A0These comments apply to all the popular British marques=
. =C2=A0In the early 60's thru late 70's the paint blending did not have th=
e accuracies that exist today, that being said paint mixed in the morning p=
robably didn't match exactly paint mixed in the afternoon after a "2 Pint" =
lunch. =C2=A0The sales staff at one dealership I worked at would always com=
ment on a load of 7 cars that were all ordered the same color, but none wer=
e the same, especially the BRG ones. =C2=A0They would call the buyers in or=
der of their deposits and they could come pick the one they liked the best.=
 =C2=A0That being said, which green or any other color for that matter is e=
xactly correct is very subject to discussion and objectivity. We can all pr=
obably agree to disagree, but just because you bought your car new and it h=
as original paint, doesn't mean that someone else's car can't have the same=
 "correct" color but be a different shade. =C2=A0When it comes to Sunbeam c=
olors I feel that some of the original colors need a little adjustment to r=
eally look good, please I know that may offend a few purists, I mean no off=
ense, its just my personal taste. =C2=A0
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<div style=3D"color:black;font: 10pt arial;">It looks like now the discussi=
ons on the correct green color has settled down, I would like to add a comm=
ent based on dealership employment back in the early 70's. &nbsp;These comm=
ents apply to all the popular British marques. &nbsp;In the early 60's thru=
 late 70's the paint blending did not have the accuracies that exist today,=
 that being said paint mixed in the morning probably didn't match exactly p=
aint mixed in the afternoon after a "2 Pint" lunch. &nbsp;The sales staff a=
t one dealership I worked at would always comment on a load of 7 cars that =
were all ordered the same color, but none were the same, especially the BRG=
 ones. &nbsp;They would call the buyers in order of their deposits and they=
 could come pick the one they liked the best. &nbsp;That being said, which =
green or any other color for that matter is exactly correct is very subject=
 to discussion and objectivity. We can all probably agree to disagree, but =
just because you bought your car new and it has original paint, doesn't mea=
n that someone else's car can't have the same "correct" color but be a diff=
erent shade. &nbsp;When it comes to Sunbeam colors I feel that some of the =
original colors need a little adjustment to really look good, please I know=
 that may offend a few purists, I mean no offense, its just my personal tas=
te. &nbsp;</div>

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From: Tom Witt via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2020 09:28:53 -0800

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A well stated and logical conclusion. It also brings a sense of relief =
being on 12/26/19 I stated, =E2=80=9CLike many things Tiger it might be =
that each color batch was slightly different. And perhaps different UV =
exposure and even waxing treatments alter the shade.=E2=80=9D And that =
simply based on a hunch given other irregularities germane to Tigers. =
Perhaps rather than arguing about who has the #86 color supremacy of =
originality perhaps it can be seen as the =E2=80=9Cfamily=E2=80=9D of =
#86=E2=80=99s and like with identical twins there are still subtle =
differences.

From: clyde mclaughlin via Tigers=20
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2020 8:34 AM
To: [email-masked]=20
Subject: [Tigers] British car colors from the 60's

It looks like now the discussions on the correct green color has settled =
down, I would like to add a comment based on dealership employment back =
in the early 70's.  These comments apply to all the popular British =
marques.  In the early 60's thru late 70's the paint blending did not =
have the accuracies that exist today, that being said paint mixed in the =
morning probably didn't match exactly paint mixed in the afternoon after =
a "2 Pint" lunch.  The sales staff at one dealership I worked at would =
always comment on a load of 7 cars that were all ordered the same color, =
but none were the same, especially the BRG ones.  They would call the =
buyers in order of their deposits and they could come pick the one they =
liked the best.  That being said, which green or any other color for =
that matter is exactly correct is very subject to discussion and =
objectivity. We can all probably agree to disagree, but just because you =
bought your car new and it has original paint, doesn't mean that someone =
else's car can't have the same "correct" color but be a different shade. =
 When it comes to Sunbeam colors I feel that some of the original colors =
need a little adjustment to really look good, please I know that may =
offend a few purists, I mean no offense, its just my personal taste. =20

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<DIV>A well stated and logical conclusion. It also brings a sense of =
relief=20
being on 12/26/19 I stated, =E2=80=9C<EM>Like many things Tiger it might =
be that each=20
color batch was slightly different. And perhaps different UV exposure =
and even=20
waxing treatments alter the shade</EM>.=E2=80=9D And that simply based =
on a hunch given=20
other irregularities germane to Tigers. Perhaps rather than arguing =
about who=20
has the #86 color supremacy of originality perhaps it can be seen as the =

=E2=80=9Cfamily=E2=80=9D of #86=E2=80=99s and like with identical twins =
there are still subtle=20
differences.</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A =
title=[email-masked]=20
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">clyde mclaughlin via Tigers</A> =
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 07, 2020 8:34 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=[email-masked]=20
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> [Tigers] British car colors from the =
60's</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: =
"Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; =
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<DIV style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT: 10pt arial">It looks like now the =
discussions on=20
the correct green color has settled down, I would like to add a comment =
based on=20
dealership employment back in the early 70's.&nbsp; These comments apply =
to all=20
the popular British marques.&nbsp; In the early 60's thru late 70's the =
paint=20
blending did not have the accuracies that exist today, that being said =
paint=20
mixed in the morning probably didn't match exactly paint mixed in the =
afternoon=20
after a "2 Pint" lunch.&nbsp; The sales staff at one dealership I worked =
at=20
would always comment on a load of 7 cars that were all ordered the same =
color,=20
but none were the same, especially the BRG ones.&nbsp; They would call =
the=20
buyers in order of their deposits and they could come pick the one they =
liked=20
the best.&nbsp; That being said, which green or any other color for that =
matter=20
is exactly correct is very subject to discussion and objectivity. We can =
all=20
probably agree to disagree, but just because you bought your car new and =
it has=20
original paint, doesn't mean that someone else's car can't have the same =

"correct" color but be a different shade.&nbsp; When it comes to Sunbeam =
colors=20
I feel that some of the original colors need a little adjustment to =
really look=20
good, please I know that may offend a few purists, I mean no offense, =
its just=20
my personal taste.&nbsp; </DIV>
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From: Allan Ballard via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2020 14:45:19 -0500

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Subtle differences? Sure.=20

Different shades? Probably not.

Can a concours judge be expected to separate non-Rootes BRG from Forest Gree=
n #86?  Yes, I would think so.

Allan Ballard
Mk1a Tiger=20
Series I Alpine=20

Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Tom Witt via Tigers <[email-masked]>
> Date: January 7, 2020 at 12:28:53 PM EST
> To: <[email-masked]>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] British car colors from the 60's
> Reply-To: Tom Witt <[email-masked]>
>=20
> A well stated and logical conclusion. It also brings a sense of relief bei=
ng on 12/26/19 I stated, =E2=80=9CLike many things Tiger it might be that ea=
ch color batch was slightly different. And perhaps different UV exposure and=
 even waxing treatments alter the shade.=E2=80=9D And that simply based on a=
 hunch given other irregularities germane to Tigers. Perhaps rather than arg=
uing about who has the #86 color supremacy of originality perhaps it can be s=
een as the =E2=80=9Cfamily=E2=80=9D of #86=E2=80=99s and like with identical=
 twins there are still subtle differences.
> =20
> From: clyde mclaughlin via Tigers
> To: [email-masked]
> =20
> It looks like now the discussions on the correct green color has settled d=
own, I would like to add a comment based on  dealership employment back in t=
he early 70's.  These comments apply to all the popular British marques.  In=
 the early 60's thru late 70's the paint blending did not have the accuracie=
s that exist today, that being said paint mixed in the morning probably didn=
't match exactly paint mixed in the afternoon after a "2 Pint" lunch.  The s=
ales staff at one dealership I worked at would always comment on a load of 7=
 cars that were all ordered the same color, but none were the same, especial=
ly the BRG ones.  They would call the buyers in order of their deposits and t=
hey could come pick the one they liked the best.  That being said, which gre=
en or any other color for that matter is exactly correct is very subject to d=
iscussion and objectivity. We can all probably agree to disagree, but just b=
ecause you bought your car new and it has original paint, doesn't mean that s=
omeone else's car can't have the same "correct" color but be a different sha=
de.  When it comes to Sunbeam colors I feel that some of the original colors=
 need a little adjustment to really look good, please I know that may offend=
 a few purists, I mean no offense, its just my personal taste.=20
>=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"background-color: rgba(255, 2=
55, 255, 0);">Subtle differences? Sure.&nbsp;</span><div><span style=3D"back=
ground-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"=
background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Different shades? Probably not.</=
span></div><div><span style=3D"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><b=
r></span></div><div><span style=3D"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);=
">Can a concours judge be expected to separate non-Rootes BRG from Forest Gr=
een #86? &nbsp;Yes, I would think so.<br></span><div><span style=3D"backgrou=
nd-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"back=
ground-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Allan Ballard</span></div><div><span s=
tyle=3D"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Mk1a Tiger&nbsp;</span></=
div><div><span style=3D"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Series I A=
lpine&nbsp;</span></div></div><br><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr"=
>Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>Begin forwarded message:<br><=
br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><b>From:</b> Tom Witt vi=
a Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]<=
/a>&gt;<br><b>Date:</b> January 7, 2020 at 12:28:53 PM EST<br><b>To:</b> &lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><=
b>Subject:</b> <b>Re: [Tigers] British car colors from the 60's</b><br><b>Re=
ply-To:</b> Tom Witt &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">atwittsen=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><br></div></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr">

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<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000">
<div>A well stated and logical conclusion. It also brings a sense of relief=20=

being on 12/26/19 I stated, =E2=80=9C<em>Like many things Tiger it might be t=
hat each=20
color batch was slightly different. And perhaps different UV exposure and ev=
en=20
waxing treatments alter the shade</em>.=E2=80=9D And that simply based on a h=
unch given=20
other irregularities germane to Tigers. Perhaps rather than arguing about wh=
o=20
has the #86 color supremacy of originality perhaps it can be seen as the=20
=E2=80=9Cfamily=E2=80=9D of #86=E2=80=99s and like with identical twins ther=
e are still subtle=20
differences.</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Ca=
libri&quot;; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLA=
Y: inline">
<div style=3D"FONT: 10pt tahoma">
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5">
<div style=3D"font-color: black"><b>From:</b> <a title=3D"[email-masked].=
net" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">clyde mclaughlin via Tigers</a> <=
/div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 07, 2020 8:34 AM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:tigers@aut=
ox.team.net">[email-masked]</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> [Tigers] British car colors from the 60's</div></div></=
div>
<div>&nbsp;</div></div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Ca=
libri&quot;; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLA=
Y: inline">
<div style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT: 10pt arial">It looks like now the discussi=
ons on=20
the correct green color has settled down, I would like to add a comment base=
d on=20
dealership employment back in the early 70's.&nbsp; These comments apply to a=
ll=20
the popular British marques.&nbsp; In the early 60's thru late 70's the pain=
t=20
blending did not have the accuracies that exist today, that being said paint=
=20
mixed in the morning probably didn't match exactly paint mixed in the aftern=
oon=20
after a "2 Pint" lunch.&nbsp; The sales staff at one dealership I worked at=20=

would always comment on a load of 7 cars that were all ordered the same colo=
r,=20
but none were the same, especially the BRG ones.&nbsp; They would call the=20=

buyers in order of their deposits and they could come pick the one they like=
d=20
the best.&nbsp; That being said, which green or any other color for that mat=
ter=20
is exactly correct is very subject to discussion and objectivity. We can all=
=20
probably agree to disagree, but just because you bought your car new and it h=
as=20
original paint, doesn't mean that someone else's car can't have the same=20
"correct" color but be a different shade.&nbsp; When it comes to Sunbeam col=
ors=20
I feel that some of the original colors need a little adjustment to really l=
ook=20
good, please I know that may offend a few purists, I mean no offense, its ju=
st=20
my personal taste.&nbsp; </div>
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From: "e.coiner e.coiner via Tigers" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2020 22:28:28 -0500 (EST)

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Sunbeam contention over the true color of Forest Green is NOTHING compared =
to Shelby Cobra debates on the true shade of Guardsman Blue. OY!

> On January 7, 2020 at 12:28 PM Tom Witt via Tigers <[email-masked]=
> wrote:
>=20
>     A well stated and logical conclusion. It also brings a sense of relie=
f being on 12/26/19 I stated, =E2=80=9C Like many things Tiger it might be =
that each color batch was slightly different. And perhaps different UV expo=
sure and even waxing treatments alter the shade.=E2=80=9D And that simply b=
ased on a hunch given other irregularities germane to Tigers. Perhaps rathe=
r than arguing about who has the #86 color supremacy of originality perhaps=
 it can be seen as the =E2=80=9Cfamily=E2=80=9D of #86=E2=80=99s and like w=
ith identical twins there are still subtle differences.
>     =20
>     From: clyde mclaughlin via Tigers mailto:[email-masked]
>     To: [email-masked] mailto:[email-masked]
>     It looks like now the discussions on the correct green color has sett=
led down, I would like to add a comment based on dealership employment back=
 in the early 70's.  These comments apply to all the popular British marque=
s.  In the early 60's thru late 70's the paint blending did not have the ac=
curacies that exist today, that being said paint mixed in the morning proba=
bly didn't match exactly paint mixed in the afternoon after a "2 Pint" lunc=
h.  The sales staff at one dealership I worked at would always comment on a=
 load of 7 cars that were all ordered the same color, but none were the sam=
e, especially the BRG ones.  They would call the buyers in order of their d=
eposits and they could come pick the one they liked the best.  That being s=
aid, which green or any other color for that matter is exactly correct is v=
ery subject to discussion and objectivity. We can all probably agree to dis=
agree, but just because you bought your car new and it has original paint, =
doesn't mean that someone else's car can't have the same "correct" color bu=
t be a different shade.  When it comes to Sunbeam colors I feel that some o=
f the original colors need a little adjustment to really look good, please =
I know that may offend a few purists, I mean no offense, its just my person=
al taste.=20
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OY!<br>
=20
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igers &#60;[email-masked]&#62; wrote:
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      A well stated and logical conclusion. It also brings a sense of relie=
f being on 12/26/19 I stated, &#8220;
      <em>Like many things Tiger it might be that each color batch was slig=
htly different. And perhaps different UV exposure and even waxing treatment=
s alter the shade</em>.&#8221; And that simply based on a hunch given other=
 irregularities germane to Tigers. Perhaps rather than arguing about who ha=
s the #86 color supremacy of originality perhaps it can be seen as the &#82=
20;family&#8221; of #86&#8217;s and like with identical twins there are sti=
ll subtle differences.
     </div>=20
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         <b>Subject:</b> [Tigers] British car colors from the 60&#39;s
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       It looks like now the discussions on the correct green color has set=
tled down, I would like to add a comment based on dealership employment bac=
k in the early 70&#39;s.&#160; These comments apply to all the popular Brit=
ish marques.&#160; In the early 60&#39;s thru late 70&#39;s the paint blend=
ing did not have the accuracies that exist today, that being said paint mix=
ed in the morning probably didn&#39;t match exactly paint mixed in the afte=
rnoon after a &#34;2 Pint&#34; lunch.&#160; The sales staff at one dealersh=
ip I worked at would always comment on a load of 7 cars that were all order=
ed the same color, but none were the same, especially the BRG ones.&#160; T=
hey would call the buyers in order of their deposits and they could come pi=
ck the one they liked the best.&#160; That being said, which green or any o=
ther color for that matter is exactly correct is very subject to discussion=
 and objectivity. We can all probably agree to disagree, but just because y=
ou bought your car new and it has original paint, doesn&#39;t mean that som=
eone else&#39;s car can&#39;t have the same &#34;correct&#34; color but be =
a different shade.&#160; When it comes to Sunbeam colors I feel that some o=
f the original colors need a little adjustment to really look good, please =
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