Subject: Re: [Tigers] Idle problem

From: Joe Brown via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 14:29:04 -0600

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It's definitely a vacuum leak.  I plugged up all of the ports on the carb
and the port on the intake manifold that goes to the break booster and
nothing changed.  So I pulled off the carb and the spacer that goes between
the carb and the manifold and looked it over really good and didn't see
anything obvious.  I reinstalled the carb without the spacer and it runs
fine now.  I'm waiting for it to cool down and I'll put the spacer back in
and see what happens.

Of course, while I had it idling I noticed that the temperature gauge on
the dash was getting over 225.  I'm not sure how accurate that is and it
never boiled over.  I'll get out my laser temp gun and poke around a little
bit.

Thanks for everybody's guidance.

Joe Brown

On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 10:33 PM Lance Beauchamp via Tigers <
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> Check for vacuum leak,. Use carb cleaner , chek manifold and carb base.
> Please.
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">It&#39;s definitely a vacuum leak.=C2=A0 I plugged up all =
of the ports on the carb and the port on the intake manifold that goes to t=
he break booster and nothing changed.=C2=A0 So I pulled off the carb and th=
e spacer that goes between the carb and the manifold and looked it over rea=
lly good and didn&#39;t see anything obvious.=C2=A0 I reinstalled the carb =
without the spacer and it runs fine now.=C2=A0 I&#39;m waiting for it to co=
ol down and I&#39;ll put the spacer back in and see what happens.=C2=A0=C2=
=A0<div><br></div><div>Of course, while I had it idling I noticed that the =
temperature gauge on the dash was getting over 225.=C2=A0 I&#39;m not sure =
how accurate that is and it never boiled over.=C2=A0 I&#39;ll get out my la=
ser temp gun and poke around a little bit.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div><br></div>=
<div>Thanks for everybody&#39;s guidance.</div><div><br></div><div>Joe Brow=
n</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail=
_attr">On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 10:33 PM Lance Beauchamp via Tigers &lt;<a hr=
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Check for vacuum leak,. Use carb cleaner , chek manifold and carb base. Ple=
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Joe

                Glad you have it sorted for now.

I would check the flatness of the spacer, make sure it does not rock on =
a flat surface, and look for any possible cracks.

Make sure there is no interference somewhere between the carb and the =
spacer and that the throttle plates can open and close correctly on the =
spacer.

=20

Ron Fraser

=20

=20

From: Tigers <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Joe Brown via =
Tigers
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2019 3:29 PM
To: Lance Beauchamp <[email-masked]>
Cc: Tiger Club. Submission <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Idle problem

=20

It's definitely a vacuum leak.  I plugged up all of the ports on the =
carb and the port on the intake manifold that goes to the break booster =
and nothing changed.  So I pulled off the carb and the spacer that goes =
between the carb and the manifold and looked it over really good and =
didn't see anything obvious.  I reinstalled the carb without the spacer =
and it runs fine now.  I'm waiting for it to cool down and I'll put the =
spacer back in and see what happens. =20

=20

Of course, while I had it idling I noticed that the temperature gauge on =
the dash was getting over 225.  I'm not sure how accurate that is and it =
never boiled over.  I'll get out my laser temp gun and poke around a =
little bit. =20

=20

=20

Joe Brown

=20

On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 10:33 PM Lance Beauchamp via Tigers =

Check for vacuum leak,. Use carb cleaner , chek manifold and carb base. =
Please. =20

=20

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now.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I would check the flatness of =
the spacer, make sure it does not rock on a flat surface, and look for =
any possible cracks.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Make sure there =
is no interference somewhere between the carb and the spacer and that =
the throttle plates can open and close correctly on the =
spacer.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Ron Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> =
Tigers &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Joe =
Brown via Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 04, 2019 3:29 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> Lance Beauchamp =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> Tiger Club. Submission =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Idle =
problem<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>It's definitely a vacuum leak.&nbsp; I plugged up all =
of the ports on the carb and the port on the intake manifold that goes =
to the break booster and nothing changed.&nbsp; So I pulled off the carb =
and the spacer that goes between the carb and the manifold and looked it =
over really good and didn't see anything obvious.&nbsp; I reinstalled =
the carb without the spacer and it runs fine now.&nbsp; I'm waiting for =
it to cool down and I'll put the spacer back in and see what =
happens.&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Of course, while I had it idling I noticed that the =
temperature gauge on the dash was getting over 225.&nbsp; I'm not sure =
how accurate that is and it never boiled over.&nbsp; I'll get out my =
laser temp gun and poke around a little =
bit.&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks for everybody's =
guidance.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Joe Brown<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 10:33 PM Lance Beauchamp via Tigers &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
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6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Check for vacuum leak,. Use carb cleaner , chek =
manifold and carb base. Please. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp; &nbsp;Beau<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
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You mention =E2=80=9Cidling=E2=80=9D below but is that at 2,000 RPM as =
initially stated (or has that ben solved)?  Does the car idle properly =
(assumed 600-800 RPM) once it is warmed up?  It might be that the idle =
adjustment screw (for the throttle, not the idle fuel mixture) is not =
adjusted properly.  When the choke is =E2=80=9COn=E2=80=9D there is a =
stepped piece that opens the primary throttle plates (more than the =
normal idle position). So, where as when the choke plate closes at the =
top..., the throttle plates open more than normal.  This may be why the =
car is starting and running at 2,000 RPM. However, when you open the =
choke the stepped idle speed piece moves to a position where the =
throttle plates are (fully) closed and the engine dies.

From: Joe Brown via Tigers=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2019 12:29 PM
To: Lance Beauchamp=20
Cc: Tiger Club. Submission=20
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Idle problem

Joe Brown

On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 10:33 PM Lance Beauchamp via Tigers =
<[email-masked]> wrote:

  Check for vacuum leak,. Use carb cleaner , chek manifold and carb =
base. Please.  =20

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has that ben solved)?&nbsp; Does the car idle properly (assumed 600-800 =
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be why=20
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<DIV dir=3Dltr>It's definitely a vacuum leak.&nbsp; I plugged up all of =
the ports=20
on the carb and the port on the intake manifold that goes to the break =
booster=20
and nothing changed.&nbsp; So I pulled off the carb and the spacer that =
goes=20
between the carb and the manifold and looked it over really good and =
didn't see=20
anything obvious.&nbsp; I reinstalled the carb without the spacer and it =
runs=20
fine now.&nbsp; I'm waiting for it to cool down and I'll put the spacer =
back in=20
and see what happens.&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
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<DIV>Of course, while I had it idling I noticed that the temperature =
gauge on=20
the dash was getting over 225.&nbsp; I'm not sure how accurate that is =
and it=20
never boiled over.&nbsp; I'll get out my laser temp gun and poke around =
a little=20
bit.&nbsp; </DIV>
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<DIV>Thanks for everybody's guidance.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Joe Brown</DIV></DIV>
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From: Joe Brown via Tigers <[email-masked]>
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OK, I've pinpointed the problem.  The spacer I was trying to use is a Ford
part that was on the Ford 4V intake that was on my car when I got it.  I
now have an Edelbrock intake and after taking everything apart and looking
at it closely it is obvious that the Ford spacer will not work.  The sides
are a little wider than than mounting surface of the intake and it leaves
enough of a gap on both sides to suck in a lot of air.  It looks like I
will need to get an Edelbrock spacer to make this work.  I could run it
without a spacer but raising the carb up makes more room for the various
hoses.

Thanks,
Joe Brown

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<div dir=3D"ltr">OK, I&#39;ve pinpointed the problem.=C2=A0 The spacer I wa=
s trying to use is a Ford part that was on the Ford 4V intake that was on m=
y car when I got it.=C2=A0 I now have an Edelbrock intake and after taking =
everything=C2=A0apart and looking at it closely it is obvious that the Ford=
 spacer will not work.=C2=A0 The sides are a little wider than than mountin=
g surface of the intake and it leaves enough of a gap on both sides to suck=
 in a lot of air.=C2=A0 It looks like I will need to get an Edelbrock space=
r to make this work.=C2=A0 I could run it without a spacer but raising the =
carb up makes more room for the various hoses.=C2=A0=C2=A0<div><br></div><d=
iv>Thanks,</div><div>Joe Brown</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 2:29 PM Joe Brow=
n &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt=
; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px=
 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div di=
r=3D"ltr">It&#39;s definitely a vacuum leak.=C2=A0 I plugged up all of the =
ports on the carb and the port on the intake manifold that goes to the brea=
k booster and nothing changed.=C2=A0 So I pulled off the carb and the space=
r that goes between the carb and the manifold and looked it over really goo=
d and didn&#39;t see anything obvious.=C2=A0 I reinstalled the carb without=
 the spacer and it runs fine now.=C2=A0 I&#39;m waiting for it to cool down=
 and I&#39;ll put the spacer back in and see what happens.=C2=A0=C2=A0<div>=
<br></div><div>Of course, while I had it idling I noticed that the temperat=
ure gauge on the dash was getting over 225.=C2=A0 I&#39;m not sure how accu=
rate that is and it never boiled over.=C2=A0 I&#39;ll get out my laser temp=
 gun and poke around a little bit.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Tha=
nks for everybody&#39;s guidance.</div><div><br></div><div>Joe Brown</div><=
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=3D"auto">Check for vacuum leak,. Use carb cleaner , chek manifold and carb=
 base. Please. =C2=A0<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0Beau</div></div>
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From: Lance Beauchamp via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 19:28:39 -0500

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Sounds like a good plan.

>>> Check for vacuum leak,. Use carb cleaner , chek manifold and carb base.

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<div dir=3D"auto">Sounds like a good plan.=C2=A0</div><br><div class=3D"gma=
il_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Dec 4, 2019, 6:22 P=
M Joe Brown &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">jbbrown1980@gmail.=
com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"marg=
in:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"=
>OK, I&#39;ve pinpointed the problem.=C2=A0 The spacer I was trying to use =
is a Ford part that was on the Ford 4V intake that was on my car when I got=
 it.=C2=A0 I now have an Edelbrock intake and after taking everything=C2=A0=
apart and looking at it closely it is obvious that the Ford spacer will not=
 work.=C2=A0 The sides are a little wider than than mounting surface of the=
 intake and it leaves enough of a gap on both sides to suck in a lot of air=
.=C2=A0 It looks like I will need to get an Edelbrock spacer to make this w=
ork.=C2=A0 I could run it without a spacer but raising the carb up makes mo=
re room for the various hoses.=C2=A0=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div>=
<div>Joe Brown</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" c=
lass=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 2:29 PM Joe Brown &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">jbbrown=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" st=
yle=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padd=
ing-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">It&#39;s definitely a vacuum leak.=C2=A0 I p=
lugged up all of the ports on the carb and the port on the intake manifold =
that goes to the break booster and nothing changed.=C2=A0 So I pulled off t=
he carb and the spacer that goes between the carb and the manifold and look=
ed it over really good and didn&#39;t see anything obvious.=C2=A0 I reinsta=
lled the carb without the spacer and it runs fine now.=C2=A0 I&#39;m waitin=
g for it to cool down and I&#39;ll put the spacer back in and see what happ=
ens.=C2=A0=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>Of course, while I had it idling I noti=
ced that the temperature gauge on the dash was getting over 225.=C2=A0 I&#3=
9;m not sure how accurate that is and it never boiled over.=C2=A0 I&#39;ll =
get out my laser temp gun and poke around a little bit.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><d=
iv><br></div><div>Thanks for everybody&#39;s guidance.</div><div><br></div>=
<div>Joe Brown</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" c=
lass=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 10:33 PM Lance Beauchamp via Tig=
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=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rg=
b(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">Check for vacuum leak,. =
Use carb cleaner , chek manifold and carb base. Please. =C2=A0<div dir=3D"a=
uto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 =C2=A0Beau</div></div>
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