Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine Idle Question

From: Tom Parker via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 21:42:23 -0500

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Hi, Joe, Been there, got the t-shirt. My Kitty ('67 Mark 2 - 289), likes
the temp gauge  off cold, almost up to operating temperature before it
wants to run smoothly. Is the choke temp controlled or on a timer? My
Holley uses a timer... not sure I like it.

Good hunting. Pls report back when you "fix" it...

Tom

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> Me again,
>
> I'm starting up my engine now and it seems to run fine but only if I keep
> the RPMs up above 2000.  I have an Edelbrock AVS2 500CFM carb on an
> otherwise stock engine.  I have the distributor vacuum  advance plugged
> into the metered vac port on the carb and all other vac ports are plugged.
> The is a manual choke carb and I have the choke closed when I start the
> engine.  After running the engine for a few minutes if I try to open the
> choke the engine dies.
>
> So, I'm looking for ideas.  How long do I need to let the engine run
> before opening the choke?  Is the timing causing the need to run at high
> RPMs?  I haven't tried to adjust the timing yet.
>
> Thanks,
> Joe Brown
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi, Joe, Been there, got the t-shirt. My Kitty (&#39;67 Ma=
rk 2 - 289), likes the temp gauge =C2=A0off cold, almost up to operating te=
mperature before it wants to run smoothly. Is the choke temp controlled or =
on a timer? My Holley uses a timer... not sure I like it.<div><br></div><di=
v>Good hunting. Pls report back when you &quot;fix&quot; it...</div><div><b=
r></div><div>Tom</div><div><br><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div><b=
r><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, =
Dec 3, 2019 at 5:31 PM Joe Brown via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@au=
tox.team.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;=
border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex=
"><div dir=3D"ltr">Me again,<div><br></div><div>I&#39;m starting up my engi=
ne now and it seems to run fine but only if I keep the RPMs up above 2000.=
=C2=A0 I have an Edelbrock AVS2 500CFM carb on an otherwise stock engine.=
=C2=A0 I have the distributor vacuum=C2=A0 advance plugged into the metered=
 vac port on the carb and all other vac ports are plugged.=C2=A0 The is a m=
anual choke carb and I have the choke closed when I start the engine.=C2=A0=
 After running the engine for a few minutes if I try to open the choke the =
engine dies.</div><div><br></div><div>So, I&#39;m looking for ideas.=C2=A0 =
How long do I need to let the engine run before opening the choke?=C2=A0 Is=
 the timing causing the need to run at high RPMs?=C2=A0 I haven&#39;t tried=
 to adjust the timing yet.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Joe B=
rown</div></div>
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From: Joe Brown via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 21:06:01 -0600

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It's a manual choke. Pull the knob to close it. Push the knob to open it.

>> RPMs?  I haven't tried to adjust the timing yet.

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<div dir=3D"auto">It&#39;s a manual choke. Pull the knob to close it. Push =
the knob to open it.</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" c=
lass=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Dec 3, 2019, 8:42 PM Tom Parker &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></d=
iv><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left=
:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi, Joe, Been there, got=
 the t-shirt. My Kitty (&#39;67 Mark 2 - 289), likes the temp gauge =C2=A0o=
ff cold, almost up to operating temperature before it wants to run smoothly=
. Is the choke temp controlled or on a timer? My Holley uses a timer... not=
 sure I like it.<div><br></div><div>Good hunting. Pls report back when you =
&quot;fix&quot; it...</div><div><br></div><div>Tom</div><div><br><div><br><=
/div><div><br></div></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"=
ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 5:31 PM Joe Brown via Tige=
rs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"no=
referrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=
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rder-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">=
<div dir=3D"ltr">Me again,<div><br></div><div>I&#39;m starting up my engine=
 now and it seems to run fine but only if I keep the RPMs up above 2000.=C2=
=A0 I have an Edelbrock AVS2 500CFM carb on an otherwise stock engine.=C2=
=A0 I have the distributor vacuum=C2=A0 advance plugged into the metered va=
c port on the carb and all other vac ports are plugged.=C2=A0 The is a manu=
al choke carb and I have the choke closed when I start the engine.=C2=A0 Af=
ter running the engine for a few minutes if I try to open the choke the eng=
ine dies.</div><div><br></div><div>So, I&#39;m looking for ideas.=C2=A0 How=
 long do I need to let the engine run before opening the choke?=C2=A0 Is th=
e timing causing the need to run at high RPMs?=C2=A0 I haven&#39;t tried to=
 adjust the timing yet.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Joe Brow=
n</div></div>
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From: coolvt--- via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 03:26:05 +0000 (UTC)

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Have to close it slowly as the engine heats up. But, I don;t think that exp=
lains why you should have to keep it above 2000 rpm when you first start it=
.=C2=A0 =C2=A0If you have the owner's manual for the carb, I would suggest =
going through the adjustments to see if anything is off. You never mentione=
d how it runs once warmed up.=C2=A0 It it runs okay when warm, then you'd h=
ave to assume something is going on with the choke. And since it's a manual=
 choke it seemingly would be something simple that isn't right.
In a message dated 12/3/2019 10:06:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, tigers@auto=
x.team.net writes:

It's a manual choke. Pull the knob to close it. Push the knob to open it.
On Tue, Dec 3, 2019, 8:42 PM Tom Parker <[email-masked]> wrote:
Hi, Joe, Been there, got the t-shirt. My Kitty ('67 Mark 2 - 289), likes th=
e temp gauge =C2=A0off cold, almost up to operating temperature before it w=
ants to run smoothly. Is the choke temp controlled or on a timer? My Holley=
 uses a timer... not sure I like it.
Good hunting. Pls report back when you "fix" it...
Tom

On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 5:31 PM Joe Brown via Tigers <[email-masked]>=
 wrote:
Me again,
I'm starting up my engine now and it seems to run fine but only if I keep t=
he RPMs up above 2000.=C2=A0 I have an Edelbrock AVS2 500CFM carb on an oth=
erwise stock engine.=C2=A0 I have the distributor vacuum=C2=A0 advance plug=
ged into the metered vac port on the carb and all other vac ports are plugg=
ed.=C2=A0 The is a manual choke carb and I have the choke closed when I sta=
rt the engine.=C2=A0 After running the engine for a few minutes if I try to=
 open the choke the engine dies.
So, I'm looking for ideas.=C2=A0 How long do I need to let the engine run b=
efore opening the choke?=C2=A0 Is the timing causing the need to run at hig=
h RPMs?=C2=A0 I haven't tried to adjust the timing yet.
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<div><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14pt; color: #000000;">Have to close it slowly as the engine heats up. But, I don;t think that explains why you should have to keep it above 2000 rpm when you first start it.&nbsp; &nbsp;If you have the owner's manual for the carb, I would suggest going through the adjustments to see if anything is off. You never mentioned how it runs once warmed up.&nbsp; It it runs okay when warm, then you'd have to assume something is going on with the choke. And since it's a manual choke it seemingly would be something simple that isn't right.</span></div>
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<blockquote style="padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left: blue 2px solid;">
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<div>It's a manual choke. Pull the knob to close it. Push the knob to open it.</div>
<br clear="none">
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<div class="yiv3700856358gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Tue, Dec 3, 2019, 8:42 PM Tom Parker &lt;<a href="mailto:[email-masked]" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" shape="rect">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
<blockquote class="yiv3700856358gmail_quote" style="margin: 0 0 0 .8ex; border-left: 1px #ccc solid; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div dir="ltr">Hi, Joe, Been there, got the t-shirt. My Kitty ('67 Mark 2 - 289), likes the temp gauge &nbsp;off cold, almost up to operating temperature before it wants to run smoothly. Is the choke temp controlled or on a timer? My Holley uses a timer... not sure I like it.
<div><br></div>
<div>Good hunting. Pls report back when you "fix" it...</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Tom</div>
<div><br clear="none">
<div><br></div>
<div><br></div>
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<div class="yiv3700856358gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 5:31 PM Joe Brown via Tigers &lt;<a href="mailto:[email-masked]" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" shape="rect">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Me again,
<div><br></div>
<div>I'm starting up my engine now and it seems to run fine but only if I keep the RPMs up above 2000.&nbsp; I have an Edelbrock AVS2 500CFM carb on an otherwise stock engine.&nbsp; I have the distributor vacuum&nbsp; advance plugged into the metered vac port on the carb and all other vac ports are plugged.&nbsp; The is a manual choke carb and I have the choke closed when I start the engine.&nbsp; After running the engine for a few minutes if I try to open the choke the engine dies.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>So, I'm looking for ideas.&nbsp; How long do I need to let the engine run before opening the choke?&nbsp; Is the timing causing the need to run at high RPMs?&nbsp; I haven't tried to adjust the timing yet.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Joe Brown</div>
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Sounds like a major vacuum leak, did you put the base gaskets on correctly?
Installed backwards they leak air and cause air to lean out the mixture
causing you to need to keep the choke on.

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>>> Me again,
>>>
>>> I'm starting up my engine now and it seems to run fine but only if I
>>> keep the RPMs up above 2000.  I have an Edelbrock AVS2 500CFM carb on an
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Sounds like a major vacuum leak, did you put the base gask=
ets on correctly? Installed backwards they leak air and cause air to lean o=
ut the mixture causing you to need to keep the choke on.</div><br><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Dec 3, 2019=
 at 10:06 PM Joe Brown via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
et">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-lef=
t-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=
=3D"auto">It&#39;s a manual choke. Pull the knob to close it. Push the knob=
 to open it.</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"=
gmail_attr">On Tue, Dec 3, 2019, 8:42 PM Tom Parker &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:t=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wro=
te:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px =
0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(2=
04,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi, Joe, Been there, got the=
 t-shirt. My Kitty (&#39;67 Mark 2 - 289), likes the temp gauge =C2=A0off c=
old, almost up to operating temperature before it wants to run smoothly. Is=
 the choke temp controlled or on a timer? My Holley uses a timer... not sur=
e I like it.<div><br></div><div>Good hunting. Pls report back when you &quo=
t;fix&quot; it...</div><div><br></div><div>Tom</div><div><br><div><br></div=
><div><br></div></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr"=
 class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 5:31 PM Joe Brown via Tigers &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_b=
lank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gm=
ail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-l=
eft-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">Me again,<div><br></div><div>I&#39;m starting up my engine now a=
nd it seems to run fine but only if I keep the RPMs up above 2000.=C2=A0 I =
have an Edelbrock AVS2 500CFM carb on an otherwise stock engine.=C2=A0 I ha=
ve the distributor vacuum=C2=A0 advance plugged into the metered vac port o=
n the carb and all other vac ports are plugged.=C2=A0 The is a manual choke=
 carb and I have the choke closed when I start the engine.=C2=A0 After runn=
ing the engine for a few minutes if I try to open the choke the engine dies=
.</div><div><br></div><div>So, I&#39;m looking for ideas.=C2=A0 How long do=
 I need to let the engine run before opening the choke?=C2=A0 Is the timing=
 causing the need to run at high RPMs?=C2=A0 I haven&#39;t tried to adjust =
the timing yet.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Joe Brown</div><=
/div>
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