Subject: [Tigers] Starter Solenoid

From: Joe Brown via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 15:20:16 -0600

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Hey,

I'm trying to fire up my engine for the first time and I have a question.
When I turn the key to the start position the engine turns over and fires
up.  But as soon as I let go of the key so that it returns to the run
position it dies.  It seems like the ignition system is only getting power
when the key is in the start position.

I'm a little confused by the wiring diagram.  The white/blue wire from the
solenoid goes to the coil and this would seem to imply that there should
always be 12V on this wire when the key is in the run position.  Is this
correct?  I'm only getting the 12V on this line when the key is in the
start position.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Joe Brown

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hey,<div><br></div><div>I&#39;m trying to fire up my engin=
e for the first time and I have a question.=C2=A0 When I turn the key to th=
e start position the engine turns over and fires up.=C2=A0 But as soon as I=
 let go of the key so that it returns to the run position it dies.=C2=A0 It=
 seems like the ignition system is only getting power when the key is in th=
e start position.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>I&#39;m a little confused =
by the wiring diagram.=C2=A0 The white/blue wire from the solenoid goes to =
the coil and this would seem to imply that there should always be 12V on th=
is wire when the key is in the run position.=C2=A0 Is this correct?=C2=A0 I=
&#39;m only getting the 12V on this line when the key is in the start posit=
ion.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Any ideas?</div><div><br></div><d=
iv>Thanks,</div><div>Joe Brown</div></div>

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From: Tom Witt via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 17:38:43 -0800

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If you are NOT running the Pertronix coil then you need to continue to =
use resistor associated with the coil you have. They are considered a =
match pair.  What one needs to be careful about is what side of the =
resistor the connection is made. As illustrated below the red wire from =
the Ignitor goes BEFORE the resistor and gets the full 12 volts.=20

I realize some have been able to go to the low side of the resistor and =
still get the system to work.  I recall the rated working voltage of the =
Pertronix is 8 or 9 volts up to 12 volts and I presume they are able to =
=91get by=92 wired that way.  But from what I have seen on other sites =
that is not always the case.  I believe that IF you are using the =
Pertronix coil it is  true 12 volt coil with no external resistor. In =
that case the + side of the coil would not be an issue for the red wire =
connection point as it is getting the full 12 volts. Hence why some =
Pertronix instructions say to connect to the coil + terminal.

FWIW, I have the Ignitor I on a SBC using the original coil. The =
ignition switch (run position) feeds the original harness, through the =
resistor, to the coil.  I have the red Pertronix wire lengthened and =
connected (also) to the =91run=92 side of the ignition switch as a =
dedicated connection.  I have been running it this way for 7+ years and =
have an =93old school=94 Sun tach that does not exhibit issues.

-----Original Message-----=20
From: Gary via Tigers=20
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 4:56 PM=20
To: Joe Brown=20
Cc: Tiger Group=20
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Starter Solenoid=20

Pertronix may have changed their instructions but..
I bought one of the earliest Pertronix "points replacement" in about =
1992.
Instructions then said the red wire goes to the coil - (low side of=20
ballast).

I just looked at my car, it IS wired that way as it has been without any =

problem since about 1992.
Stock (and Theo's replacement electronics) tach have always worked=20
perfectly and reliably.

So much better than points!   I bet most new kids now a days don't have=20
a clue what those are!!
Gary W.

On 11/21/2019 2:27 PM, Joe Brown wrote:
> 3. I also discovered that I had the Pertronix wired up wrong.  The red =

> wire has to go to 12V and I had it on the battery side of the coil=20
> (which is only 7 or 8 volts when the engine is running).
>

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to use=20
resistor associated with the coil you have. They are considered a match=20
pair.&nbsp; What one needs to be careful about is what side of the =
resistor the=20
connection is made. As illustrated below the red wire from the Ignitor =
goes=20
BEFORE the resistor and gets the full 12 volts. </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><U>I realize some have been able to go to the low side of the =
resistor and=20
still get the system to work.</U>&nbsp; I recall the rated working =
voltage of=20
the Pertronix is 8 or 9 volts up to 12 volts and I presume they are able =
to =91get=20
by=92 wired that way.&nbsp; But from what I have seen on other sites =
that is not=20
always the case.&nbsp; I believe that IF you are using the Pertronix =
coil it=20
is&nbsp; true 12 volt coil with no external resistor. In that case the + =
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is=20
getting the full 12 volts. Hence why some Pertronix instructions say to =
connect=20
to the coil + terminal.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>FWIW, I have the Ignitor I on a SBC using the original coil. The =
ignition=20
switch (run position) feeds the original harness, through the resistor, =
to the=20
coil.&nbsp; I have the red Pertronix wire lengthened and connected =
(also) to the=20
=91run=92 side of the ignition switch as a dedicated connection.&nbsp; I =
have been=20
running it this way for 7+ years and have an =93old school=94 Sun tach =
that does not=20
exhibit issues.</DIV>
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<DIV>-----Original Message----- </DIV>
<DIV>From: Gary via Tigers </DIV>
<DIV>Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 4:56 PM </DIV>
<DIV>To: Joe Brown </DIV>
<DIV>Cc: Tiger Group </DIV>
<DIV>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Starter Solenoid </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Pertronix may have changed their instructions but..</DIV>
<DIV>I bought one of the earliest Pertronix "points replacement" in =
about=20
1992.</DIV>
<DIV>Instructions then said the red wire goes to the coil - (low side of =
</DIV>
<DIV>ballast).</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I just looked at my car, it IS wired that way as it has been =
without any=20
</DIV>
<DIV>problem since about 1992.</DIV>
<DIV>Stock (and Theo's replacement electronics) tach have always worked =
</DIV>
<DIV>perfectly and reliably.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>So much better than points!&nbsp;&nbsp; I bet most new kids now a =
days=20
don't have </DIV>
<DIV>a clue what those are!!</DIV>
<DIV>Gary W.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>On 11/21/2019 2:27 PM, Joe Brown wrote:</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; 3. I also discovered that I had the Pertronix wired up =
wrong.&nbsp;=20
The red </DIV>
<DIV>&gt; wire has to go to 12V and I had it on the battery side of the =
coil=20
</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; (which is only 7 or 8 volts when the engine is running).</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;</DIV>
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From: Gary via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 18:19:46 -0800

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That is true for the Ignitor 2 module,
I have a Pertronix 1.  OP has?
Gary W.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 21, 2019, at 5:39 PM, Tom Witt via Tigers <[email-masked]> w=
rote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> If you are NOT running the Pertronix coil then you need to continue to use=
 resistor associated with the coil you have. They are considered a match pai=
r.  What one needs to be careful about is what side of the resistor the conn=
ection is made. As illustrated below the red wire from the Ignitor goes BEFO=
RE the resistor and gets the full 12 volts.
> =20
> I realize some have been able to go to the low side of the resistor and st=
ill get the system to work.  I recall the rated working voltage of the Pertr=
onix is 8 or 9 volts up to 12 volts and I presume they are able to =E2=80=98=
get by=E2=80=99 wired that way.  But from what I have seen on other sites th=
at is not always the case.  I believe that IF you are using the Pertronix co=
il it is  true 12 volt coil with no external resistor. In that case the + si=
de of the coil would not be an issue for the red wire connection point as it=
 is getting the full 12 volts. Hence why some Pertronix instructions say to c=
onnect to the coil + terminal.
> =20
> FWIW, I have the Ignitor I on a SBC using the original coil. The ignition s=
witch (run position) feeds the original harness, through the resistor, to th=
e coil.  I have the red Pertronix wire lengthened and connected (also) to th=
e =E2=80=98run=E2=80=99 side of the ignition switch as a dedicated connectio=
n.  I have been running it this way for 7+ years and have an =E2=80=9Cold sc=
hool=E2=80=9D Sun tach that does not exhibit issues.
> =20
> <image[1].png>
> =20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary via Tigers
> Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 4:56 PM
> To: Joe Brown
> Cc: Tiger Group
> I bought one of the earliest Pertronix "points replacement" in about 1992.=

> Instructions then said the red wire goes to the coil - (low side of
> ballast).
> =20
> I just looked at my car, it IS wired that way as it has been without any
> Stock (and Theo's replacement electronics) tach have always worked
> perfectly and reliably.
> =20
> So much better than points!   I bet most new kids now a days don't have
> a clue what those are!!
> Gary W.
> =20
> =20
> > 3. I also discovered that I had the Pertronix wired up wrong.  The red
> > wire has to go to 12V and I had it on the battery side of the coil
> =20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">That is true for the Ignitor 2 module,<div>=
I have a Pertronix 1. &nbsp;OP has?</div><div>Gary W.</div><div><br><br><div=
 dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D=
"cite">On Nov 21, 2019, at 5:39 PM, Tom Witt via Tigers &lt;[email-masked]=
m.net&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div di=
r=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF

<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000">
<div>If you are NOT running the Pertronix coil then you need to continue to u=
se=20
resistor associated with the coil you have. They are considered a match=20
pair.&nbsp; What one needs to be careful about is what side of the resistor t=
he=20
connection is made. As illustrated below the red wire from the Ignitor goes=20=

BEFORE the resistor and gets the full 12 volts. </div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div><u>I realize some have been able to go to the low side of the resistor a=
nd=20
still get the system to work.</u>&nbsp; I recall the rated working voltage o=
f=20
the Pertronix is 8 or 9 volts up to 12 volts and I presume they are able to =E2=
=80=98get=20
by=E2=80=99 wired that way.&nbsp; But from what I have seen on other sites t=
hat is not=20
always the case.&nbsp; I believe that IF you are using the Pertronix coil it=
=20
is&nbsp; true 12 volt coil with no external resistor. In that case the + sid=
e of=20
the coil would not be an issue for the red wire connection point as it is=20=

getting the full 12 volts. Hence why some Pertronix instructions say to conn=
ect=20
to the coil + terminal.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>FWIW, I have the Ignitor I on a SBC using the original coil. The igniti=
on=20
switch (run position) feeds the original harness, through the resistor, to t=
he=20
coil.&nbsp; I have the red Pertronix wire lengthened and connected (also) to=
 the=20
=E2=80=98run=E2=80=99 side of the ignition switch as a dedicated connection.=
&nbsp; I have been=20
running it this way for 7+ years and have an =E2=80=9Cold school=E2=80=9D Su=
n tach that does not=20
exhibit issues.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div><div>&lt;image[1].png&gt;</div></div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>-----Original Message----- </div>
<div>From: Gary via Tigers </div>
<div>Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 4:56 PM </div>
<div>To: Joe Brown </div>
<div>Cc: Tiger Group </div>
<div>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Starter Solenoid </div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Pertronix may have changed their instructions but..</div>
<div>I bought one of the earliest Pertronix "points replacement" in about=20=

1992.</div>
<div>Instructions then said the red wire goes to the coil - (low side of </d=
iv>
<div>ballast).</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>I just looked at my car, it IS wired that way as it has been without an=
y=20
</div>
<div>problem since about 1992.</div>
<div>Stock (and Theo's replacement electronics) tach have always worked </di=
v>
<div>perfectly and reliably.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>So much better than points!&nbsp;&nbsp; I bet most new kids now a days=20=

don't have </div>
<div>a clue what those are!!</div>
<div>Gary W.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>On 11/21/2019 2:27 PM, Joe Brown wrote:</div>
<div>&gt; 3. I also discovered that I had the Pertronix wired up wrong.&nbsp=
;=20
The red </div>
<div>&gt; wire has to go to 12V and I had it on the battery side of the coil=
=20
</div>
<div>&gt; (which is only 7 or 8 volts when the engine is running).</div>
<div>&gt;</div>
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