Subject: Re: [Tigers] Starter Solenoid

From: Donald Antilla via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 10:09:26 -0500

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Gary and Friends:

 I just had a good discussion with Peter Bayer who owns Nisonger Corporatio=
n and who modifies the tachs.

Peter explained the entire circuitry to me and I will only summarize in wor=
ds, then please view the attached file from Nisonger.

The summary is:
Keep the loop on the back of the tach intact. Do NOT remove nor disconnect.=
 This SHOULD therefore provide 12 volt power to the ballast resistor
Route a wire from the female spade terminal at back of the updated tach TO =
the negative side of the ignition coil which has been equipped with the Pert=
ronix system.
=20

I=E2=80=99ve attached the instructions from Nisonger for you to follow.

=20

Peter Bayer is a smart and helpful person and is quite willing to receive a=
 call from Gary and walk Gary through the instructions.

I think once Gary talks with Peter while reading the attached instructions =
that all will be good.

Peter Bayer=E2=80=99s number is (914) 381-3600

Please let me know how it goes.=20

=20

=20

Don Antilla=20

Southbury, CT

203-264-8301 Home

203-592-8427 Cell

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From: Tigers <[email-masked]> on behalf of Theo Smit via Tig=
ers <[email-masked]>
Date: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 at 11:49 PM
To: Gary <[email-masked]>
Cc: tigers <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Starter Solenoid

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remember that TigersUnited.com is not dead, and among other resources it ha=
s a complete scan of the Tiger Workshop Manual, including good re-digitized =
drawings of the wiring diagram.

http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/tt-images/MKIBIGwiring.jpg

=20

So, with respect to that drawing:

- Your tach should be powered through the spade connector on the back of th=
e tach. That should be connected to a green wire that is energized only when=
 the ignition is on or in the start position.

- Your tach should be grounded through the black daisy-chain wires that nee=
d to be connected to the dash frame somewhere (not just gauge to gauge to ga=
uge).

- The OEM wiring has the coil power run through a white wire, looped throug=
h the transformer U-shaped metal piece and plastic frame that is mounted on =
the back of the tach. It kind of sounds like the Nissonger rebuild gave you =
an alternate means of sensing the ignition with their white "signal in" line=
. You should have got a wiring diagram with the tach, if they changed the wa=
y it can be wired up.

- That OEM white wire needs to connect to one end of the ballast resistor a=
s shown in the wiring diagram (and the other end plugs into the ignition swi=
tch, not the tach). It supplies power to the coil through the ballast resist=
or when the car is running.

- The white/blue wire runs from the solenoid to the ballast resistor to the=
 coil positive.

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It sounds like you need to make sure that the white wire you plugged into t=
he tach, is connected to the ballast resistor at the other end. If so, unplu=
g the tach end, loop it through the transformer block, and plug it into the =
#2 terminal on the ignition switch.

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If the tach works properly, then you're good. If it does not, then try loop=
ing the white wire through the transformer block in the opposite direction. =
If that still fails (but the engine runs properly), then abandon the transfo=
rmer and use Nissonger's signal wire. As Gary says, that wire should be conn=
ected using a new extension wire to the coil negative terminal ( where the p=
oints connect ).

=20

=20

Good luck,

Theo

From: "tigers" <[email-masked]>
To: "Joe Brown" <[email-masked]>
Cc: "tigers" <[email-masked]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 7:22:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Starter Solenoid

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The Signal wire should probably wire to

the points or low side of the coil.

The white wire should not end at the tach

but would do a one loop through the coil

pickup on the back of the stock tach and

then run to the ballast.

You do need 12v to the back of the tach

spade terminal and a ground.

Gary

Sent from my iPhone

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On Nov 20, 2019, at 2:30 PM, Joe Brown via Tigers <[email-masked]> w=
rote:

Thanks to Donald Antilla and Ron Fraser for their quick replies.  They have=
 me on the right track now.  In my new wiring harness I have one white wire =
that comes out of the harness behind the tach and I assumed it plugged into =
the white wire (labeled "signal in") on the back of the tach.  My tach was r=
ebuilt by Nisonger and has the updated electronics.  I ohmed that wire out a=
nd it is the one that goes to the ballast resistor.  So should I run a new w=
ire from the ignition switch to the tach and piggyback the ballast wire to t=
hat? =20

Thanks,

Joe Brown

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On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 3:31 PM Donald Antilla <[email-masked]> wrot=
e:

The starter solenoid temporarily supplies 12 volts to the. Oil while the st=
arter is cranking.=20
As soon as you release the key that temporary 12 volts is disconnected and =
the power to the coil is via the ballast resistor.=20
It sounds like you either have a bad ballast resistor or broken wiring to t=
he ballast resistor.=20
Temporarily add an alligator jumper across the two tabs on the resistor and=
 see if it starts. If it does start you have a bad resistor.=20
And if that does not work, start looking for lack of 12 volts INTO. The bal=
last resistor.=20

>From Don's iPhone 203-592-8427
Or 203-264-8301 home

> On Nov 20, 2019, at 4:20 PM, Joe Brown via Tigers <[email-masked]>=
 wrote:
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>=20
> Hey,
>=20
> I'm trying to fire up my engine for the first time and I have a question.=
  When I turn the key to the start position the engine turns over and fires =
up.  But as soon as I let go of the key so that it returns to the run positi=
on it dies.  It seems like the ignition system is only getting power when th=
e key is in the start position.=20
>=20
> I'm a little confused by the wiring diagram.  The white/blue wire from th=
e solenoid goes to the coil and this would seem to imply that there should a=
lways be 12V on this wire when the key is in the run position.  Is this corr=
ect?  I'm only getting the 12V on this line when the key is in the start pos=
ition. =20
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> Any ideas?
>=20
> Thanks,
> Joe Brown
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urple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:16.0=
pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Gary and Friends:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p=
 class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-seri=
f'> I just had a good discussion with Peter Bayer who owns Nisonger Corporat=
ion and who modifies the tachs.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><spa=
n style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Peter explained th=
e entire circuitry to me and I will only summarize in words, then please vie=
w the attached file from Nisonger.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><=
span style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>The summary is:=
<o:p></o:p></span></p><ul style=3D'margin-top:0in' type=3Ddisc><li class=3DMsoList=
Paragraph style=3D'margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span style=3D'font-=
size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Keep the loop on the back of the=
 tach intact. Do NOT remove nor disconnect. This SHOULD therefore provide 12=
 volt power to the ballast resistor<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3DMsoListP=
aragraph style=3D'margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span style=3D'font-s=
ize:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Route a wire from the female spad=
e terminal at back of the updated tach TO the negative side of the ignition =
coil which has been equipped with the Pertronix system.<o:p></o:p></span></l=
i></ul><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",=
sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font=
-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>I=E2=80=99ve attached the instruction=
s from Nisonger for you to follow.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><=
span style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"A=
rial",sans-serif'>Peter Bayer is a smart and helpful person and is quite wil=
ling to receive a call from Gary and walk Gary through the instructions.<o:p=
></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-fami=
ly:"Arial",sans-serif'>I think once Gary talks with Peter while reading the =
attached instructions that all will be good.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DM=
soNormal><span style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Peter=
 Bayer=E2=80=99s number is (914) 381-3600<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>=
<span style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Please let me =
know how it goes. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph><span styl=
e=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
</p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",san=
s-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><i><span style=3D=
'font-size:14.0pt'>Don Antilla <o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>=
<i><span style=3D'font-size:14.0pt'>Southbury, CT<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><i><span style=3D'font-size:14.0pt'>203-264-8301 Home<o:p></o:=
p></span></i></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><i><span style=3D'font-size:14.0pt'>203-59=
2-8427 Cell<o:p></o:p></span></i></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'f=
ont-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-se=
rif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B=
5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'fo=
nt-size:12.0pt;color:black'>From: </span></b><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;c=
olor:black'>Tigers &lt;[email-masked]&gt; on behalf of Theo S=
mit via Tigers &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Reply-To: </b>Theo Smit &=
lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Date: </b>Wednesday, November 20, 2019 at 11:49 P=
M<br><b>To: </b>Gary &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc: </b>tigers &l=
t;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Tigers] Starter Solenoid=
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></d=
iv><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"A=
rial",sans-serif;color:black'>remember that TigersUnited.com is not dead, an=
d among other resources it has a complete scan of the Tiger Workshop Manual,=
 including good re-digitized drawings of the wiring diagram.<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-famil=
y:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><a href=3D"http://www.tigersunited.com/resou=
rces/wsm/tt-images/MKIBIGwiring.jpg">http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/w=
sm/tt-images/MKIBIGwiring.jpg</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DM=
soNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:=
black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>So, with resp=
ect to that drawing:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><spa=
n style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>- Your=
 tach should be powered through the spade connector on the back of the tach.=
 That should be connected to a green wire that is energized only when the ig=
nition is on or in the start position.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p cl=
ass=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;c=
olor:black'>- Your tach should be grounded through the black daisy-chain wir=
es that need to be connected to the dash frame somewhere (not just gauge to =
gauge to gauge).<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span st=
yle=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>- The OEM =
wiring has the coil power run through a white wire, looped through the trans=
former U-shaped metal piece and plastic frame that is mounted on the back of=
 the tach. It kind of sounds like the Nissonger rebuild gave you an alternat=
e means of sensing the ignition with their white &quot;signal in&quot; line.=
 You should have got a wiring diagram with the tach, if they changed the way=
 it can be wired up.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><spa=
n style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>- That=
 OEM white wire needs to connect to one end of the ballast resistor as shown=
 in the wiring diagram (and the other end plugs into the ignition switch, no=
t the tach). It supplies power to the coil through the ballast resistor when=
 the car is running.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><spa=
n style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>- The =
white/blue wire runs from the solenoid to the ballast resistor to the coil p=
ositive.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'fon=
t-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-f=
amily:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>It sounds like you need to make sure t=
hat the white wire you plugged into the tach, is connected to the ballast re=
sistor at the other end. If so, unplug the tach end, loop it through the tra=
nsformer block, and plug it into the #2 terminal on the ignition switch.<o:p=
></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0p=
t;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></=
div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial=
",sans-serif;color:black'>If the tach works properly, then you're good. If i=
t does not, then try looping the white wire through the transformer block in=
 the opposite direction. If that still fails (but the engine runs properly),=
 then abandon the transformer and use Nissonger's signal wire. As Gary says,=
 that wire should be connected using a new extension wire to the coil negati=
ve terminal ( where the points connect ).<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p=
 class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-seri=
f;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><sp=
an style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p>=
&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:=
10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Good luck,<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-fami=
ly:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Theo<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div clas=
s=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><span style=3D'font-size:10=
.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><hr size=3D0 width=3D"100%" ali=
gn=3Dcenter></span></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>From: </span></b><span style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&quot;tigers&=
quot; &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>To: </b>&quot;Joe Brown&quot; &lt;=
[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc: </b>&quot;tigers&quot; &lt;Tigers@autox.=
team.net&gt;<br><b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, November 20, 2019 7:22:28 PM<br><b>S=
ubject: </b>Re: [Tigers] Starter Solenoid<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p=
 class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-seri=
f;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><sp=
an style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>The S=
ignal wire should probably wire to<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNor=
mal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black=
'>the points or low side of the coil.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;co=
lor:black'>The white wire should not end at the tach<o:p></o:p></span></p></=
div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial=
",sans-serif;color:black'>but would do a one loop through the coil<o:p></o:p=
></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font=
-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>pickup on the back of the stock tach=
 and<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>then run to the ballas=
t.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size=
:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>You do need 12v to the b=
ack of the tach<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span sty=
le=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>spade termi=
nal and a ground.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'=
margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans=
-serif;color:black'>Gary<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Sent fro=
m my iPhone<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'=
font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p><blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font=
-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>On Nov 20, 2019, at 2:30 PM, Joe Bro=
wn via Tigers &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></bl=
ockquote></div><blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div=
><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",s=
ans-serif;color:black'>Thanks to Donald Antilla and Ron Fraser for their qui=
ck replies.&nbsp; They have me on the right track now.&nbsp; In my new wirin=
g harness I have one white wire that comes out of the harness behind the tac=
h and I assumed it plugged into the white wire (labeled &quot;signal in&quot=
;) on the back of the tach.&nbsp; My tach was rebuilt by Nisonger and has th=
e updated electronics.&nbsp; I ohmed that wire out and it is the one that go=
es to the ballast resistor.&nbsp; So should I run a new wire from the igniti=
on switch to the tach and piggyback the ballast wire to that?&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:=
p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;fon=
t-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div>=
<div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sa=
ns-serif;color:black'>Joe Brown<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMs=
oNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:b=
lack'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'=
font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>On Wed, Nov 20,=
 2019 at 3:31 PM Donald Antilla &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" t=
arget=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></d=
iv><blockquote style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0i=
n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal style=
=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sa=
ns-serif;color:black'>The starter solenoid temporarily supplies 12 volts to =
the. Oil while the starter is cranking. <br>As soon as you release the key t=
hat temporary 12 volts is disconnected and the power to the coil is via the =
ballast resistor. <br>It sounds like you either have a bad ballast resistor =
or broken wiring to the ballast resistor. <br>Temporarily add an alligator j=
umper across the two tabs on the resistor and see if it starts. If it does s=
tart you have a bad resistor. <br>And if that does not work, start looking f=
or lack of 12 volts INTO. The ballast resistor. <br><br>From Don's iPhone 20=
3-592-8427<br>Or 203-264-8301 home<br><br>&gt; On Nov 20, 2019, at 4:20 PM, =
Joe Brown via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_bla=
nk">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; Hey,<br>&=
gt; <br>&gt; I'm trying to fire up my engine for the first time and I have a=
 question.&nbsp; When I turn the key to the start position the engine turns =
over and fires up.&nbsp; But as soon as I let go of the key so that it retur=
ns to the run position it dies.&nbsp; It seems like the ignition system is o=
nly getting power when the key is in the start position. <br>&gt; <br>&gt; I=
'm a little confused by the wiring diagram.&nbsp; The white/blue wire from t=
he solenoid goes to the coil and this would seem to imply that there should =
always be 12V on this wire when the key is in the run position.&nbsp; Is thi=
s correct?&nbsp; I'm only getting the 12V on this line when the key is in th=
e start position.&nbsp; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; Any ideas?<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Thanks=
,<br>&gt; Joe Brown<br>&gt; _______________________________________________<=
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lobal.net</a><br>&gt; <br>&gt; <o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote></div><p c=
lass=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;fo=
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To: "'Donald Antilla'" <[email-masked]>
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Starter Solenoid
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Attached is a complete copy of the Instructions that were shipped with =
the Tach

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Peter

=20

From: Donald Antilla [mailto:[email-masked]]=20
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 9:42 AM
To: Nisonger
Subject: FW: [Tigers] Starter Solenoid

=20

Peter: I need to get educated on this tach wiring.

I think this one was modified by Nisonger.

I will call you now

=20

Don Antilla=20

Southbury, CT

203-264-8301 Home

203-592-8427 Cell

=20

=20

From: Joe Brown <[email-masked]>
Date: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 at 6:16 PM
To: Don Antilla <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Starter Solenoid

=20

Hi,

=20

Here is the back of the tach.

=20

And here is the part of the wiring diagram showing the wiring from the =
switch to the tach and ballast.

=20

So it looks like the green wire would go to the +12V spade lug.  And I'm =
thinking at this point that I need to put a splitter on the terminal on =
the white wire coming out of the back of the tach ("signal in") and run =
a new wire to the ignition switch and also plug in the existing white =
wire that goes to the ballast resistor. =20

=20

Does this make sense?

=20

Thanks,

Joe Brown=20

=20

=20

On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 4:45 PM Donald Antilla <[email-masked]> =
wrote:

Joe

I=E2=80=99m pretty familiar with wiring but in this case I hesitate to =
recommend how to change wiring without havi

G a partial schematic.=20

Might you have a schematic or a photo of the back of the Tach?

Coincidentally, Peter Bayer lens Nisongers and is a good friend so I can =
call him directly if I were able to see even a hand sketch of your =
relevant wiring.=20

Then, after a call to Peter. Ayer I might be able to offer a =
recommendation.=20

If it bothers the group to see all these emails you can contact me =
directly at [email-masked]

Don=20

>From Don's iPhone 203-592-8427

Or 203-264-8301 home

=20

On Nov 20, 2019, at 5:29 PM, Joe Brown <[email-masked]> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF

Thanks to Donald Antilla and Ron Fraser for their quick replies.  They =
have me on the right track now.  In my new wiring harness I have one =
white wire that comes out of the harness behind the tach and I assumed =
it plugged into the white wire (labeled "signal in") on the back of the =
tach.  My tach was rebuilt by Nisonger and has the updated electronics.  =
I ohmed that wire out and it is the one that goes to the ballast =
resistor.  So should I run a new wire from the ignition switch to the =
tach and piggyback the ballast wire to that? =20

=20

Thanks,

Joe Brown

=20

On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 3:31 PM Donald Antilla <[email-masked]> =
wrote:

The starter solenoid temporarily supplies 12 volts to the. Oil while the =
starter is cranking.=20
As soon as you release the key that temporary 12 volts is disconnected =
and the power to the coil is via the ballast resistor.=20
It sounds like you either have a bad ballast resistor or broken wiring =
to the ballast resistor.=20
Temporarily add an alligator jumper across the two tabs on the resistor =
and see if it starts. If it does start you have a bad resistor.=20
And if that does not work, start looking for lack of 12 volts INTO. The =
ballast resistor.=20

>From Don's iPhone 203-592-8427
Or 203-264-8301 home

> On Nov 20, 2019, at 4:20 PM, Joe Brown via Tigers =
<[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> Hey,
>=20
> I'm trying to fire up my engine for the first time and I have a =
question.  When I turn the key to the start position the engine turns =
over and fires up.  But as soon as I let go of the key so that it =
returns to the run position it dies.  It seems like the ignition system =
is only getting power when the key is in the start position.=20
>=20
> I'm a little confused by the wiring diagram.  The white/blue wire from =
the solenoid goes to the coil and this would seem to imply that there =
should always be 12V on this wire when the key is in the run position.  =
Is this correct?  I'm only getting the 12V on this line when the key is =
in the start position. =20
>=20
> Any ideas?
>=20
> Thanks,
> Joe Brown
> _______________________________________________
>=20
> [email-masked]
>=20
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers =
http://autox.team.net/archive
>=20
> Unsubscribe: =
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/[email-masked]
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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Attached is a complete copy of the Instructions =
that were shipped with the Tach<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Peter<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Donald Antilla [mailto:[email-masked]] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, =
November 21, 2019 9:42 AM<br><b>To:</b> Nisonger<br><b>Subject:</b> FW: =
[Tigers] Starter Solenoid<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Peter: I =
need to get educated on this tach wiring.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I think this =
one was modified by Nisonger.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I will call =
you now<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</=
o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><i><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt'>Don Antilla <o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><i><span style=3D'font-size:14.0pt'>Southbury, =
CT<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><i><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt'>203-264-8301 Home<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><i><span style=3D'font-size:14.0pt'>203-592-8427 =
Cell<o:p></o:p></span></i></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</=
o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;</=
o:p></span></p><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF =
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>From: </span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Joe Brown =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Date: </b>Wednesday, November 20, =
2019 at 6:16 PM<br><b>To: </b>Don Antilla =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Tigers] Starter =
Solenoid<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Hi,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Here is the back of the =
tach.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><img =
width=3D388 height=3D291 id=3D"_x0000_i1026" =
src=3D"cid:[email-masked]"><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><di=
v><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>And here is the part of the wiring diagram showing the =
wiring from the switch to the tach and =
ballast.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><img =
width=3D543 height=3D108 id=3D"_x0000_i1025" =
src=3D"cid:[email-masked]"><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><di=
v><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>So it looks like the green wire would go to =
the&nbsp;+12V spade lug.&nbsp; And I'm thinking at this point that I =
need to put a splitter on the terminal on the white wire coming out of =
the back of the tach (&quot;signal in&quot;) and run a new wire to the =
ignition switch and also plug in the existing white wire that goes to =
the ballast resistor.&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Does this make sense?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Joe Brown&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 4:45 PM Donald Antilla &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Joe<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I=E2=80=99m pretty familiar with wiring but in this =
case I hesitate to recommend how to change wiring without =
havi<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>G a partial =
schematic.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Might you =
have a schematic or a photo of the back of the =
Tach?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Coincidentally, =
Peter Bayer lens Nisongers and is a good friend so I can call him =
directly if I were able to see even a hand sketch of your relevant =
wiring.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Then, after =
a call to Peter. Ayer I might be able to offer a =
recommendation.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>If =
it bothers the group to see all these emails you can contact me directly =
at <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Don&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>From&nbsp;Don's iPhone =
203-592-8427<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Or 203-264-8301 =
home<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On Nov 20, 2019, at 5:29 PM, Joe Brown =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote =
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class=3DMsoNormal>=EF=BB=BF<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks to Donald Antilla and Ron Fraser for their =
quick replies.&nbsp; They have me on the right track now.&nbsp; In my =
new wiring harness I have one white wire that comes out of the harness =
behind the tach and I assumed it plugged into the white wire (labeled =
&quot;signal in&quot;) on the back of the tach.&nbsp; My tach was =
rebuilt by Nisonger and has the updated electronics.&nbsp; I ohmed that =
wire out and it is the one that goes to the ballast resistor.&nbsp; So =
should I run a new wire from the ignition switch to the tach and =
piggyback the ballast wire to that?&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Joe Brown<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 3:31 PM Donald Antilla &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
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.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>The starter =
solenoid temporarily supplies 12 volts to the. Oil while the starter is =
cranking. <br>As soon as you release the key that temporary 12 volts is =
disconnected and the power to the coil is via the ballast resistor. =
<br>It sounds like you either have a bad ballast resistor or broken =
wiring to the ballast resistor. <br>Temporarily add an alligator jumper =
across the two tabs on the resistor and see if it starts. If it does =
start you have a bad resistor. <br>And if that does not work, start =
looking for lack of 12 volts INTO. The ballast resistor. <br><br>From =
Don's iPhone 203-592-8427<br>Or 203-264-8301 home<br><br>&gt; On Nov 20, =
2019, at 4:20 PM, Joe Brown via Tigers &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt; <br>&gt; =
=EF=BB=BF<br>&gt; Hey,<br>&gt; <br>&gt; I'm trying to fire up my engine =
for the first time and I have a question.&nbsp; When I turn the key to =
the start position the engine turns over and fires up.&nbsp; But as soon =
as I let go of the key so that it returns to the run position it =
dies.&nbsp; It seems like the ignition system is only getting power when =
the key is in the start position. <br>&gt; <br>&gt; I'm a little =
confused by the wiring diagram.&nbsp; The white/blue wire from the =
solenoid goes to the coil and this would seem to imply that there should =
always be 12V on this wire when the key is in the run position.&nbsp; Is =
this correct?&nbsp; I'm only getting the 12V on this line when the key =
is in the start position.&nbsp; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; Any ideas?<br>&gt; =
<br>&gt; Thanks,<br>&gt; Joe Brown<br>&gt; =
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Uh, I think some of that is wrong info.. very confusing to me anyway.

Leave the loop in the stock white wire(or straighten it out) but do NOT 
hook it back to the new tach.
That wire goes directly from the ignition switch to the top of the 
ballast resistor, needs NO connection
to your new tach.

Your new white wire with spade needs an extension wire going to the low 
(negative) side of the
coil where the wire goes to the points (Pertronix).

The +12 green wire needs to plug to the original spade on the back of 
the tach.
HTH,
Gary W.

On 11/21/2019 7:09 AM, Donald Antilla wrote:
>
> Gary and Friends:
>
> I just had a good discussion with Peter Bayer who owns Nisonger 
> Corporation and who modifies the tachs.
>
> Peter explained the entire circuitry to me and I will only summarize 
> in words, then please view the attached file from Nisonger.
>
> The summary is:
>
>   * Keep the loop on the back of the tach intact. Do NOT remove nor
>     disconnect. This SHOULD therefore provide 12 volt power to the
>     ballast resistor
>   * Route a wire from the female spade terminal at back of the updated
>     tach TO the negative side of the ignition coil which has been
>     equipped with the Pertronix system.
>
> I’ve attached the instructions from Nisonger for you to follow.
>
> Peter Bayer is a smart and helpful person and is quite willing to 
> receive a call from Gary and walk Gary through the instructions.
>
> I think once Gary talks with Peter while reading the attached 
> instructions that all will be good.
>
> Peter Bayer’s number is (914) 381-3600
>
> Please let me know how it goes.
>
> /Don Antilla /
>
> /Southbury, CT/
>
> /203-264-8301 Home/
>
> /203-592-8427 Cell/
>
> *From: *Tigers <[email-masked]> on behalf of Theo Smit 
> via Tigers <[email-masked]>
> *Reply-To: *Theo Smit <[email-masked]>
> *Date: *Wednesday, November 20, 2019 at 11:49 PM
> *To: *Gary <[email-masked]>
> *Cc: *tigers <[email-masked]>
> *Subject: *Re: [Tigers] Starter Solenoid
>
> remember that TigersUnited.com is not dead, and among other resources 
> it has a complete scan of the Tiger Workshop Manual, including good 
> re-digitized drawings of the wiring diagram.
>
> - Your tach should be powered through the spade connector on the back 
> of the tach. That should be connected to a green wire that is 
> energized only when the ignition is on or in the start position.
>
> - Your tach should be grounded through the black daisy-chain wires 
> that need to be connected to the dash frame somewhere (not just gauge 
> to gauge to gauge).
>
> - The OEM wiring has the coil power run through a white wire, looped 
> through the transformer U-shaped metal piece and plastic frame that is 
> mounted on the back of the tach. It kind of sounds like the Nissonger 
> rebuild gave you an alternate means of sensing the ignition with their 
> white "signal in" line. You should have got a wiring diagram with the 
> tach, if they changed the way it can be wired up.
>
> - That OEM white wire needs to connect to one end of the ballast 
> resistor as shown in the wiring diagram (and the other end plugs into 
> the ignition switch, not the tach). It supplies power to the coil 
> through the ballast resistor when the car is running.
>
> - The white/blue wire runs from the solenoid to the ballast resistor 
> to the coil positive.
>
> It sounds like you need to make sure that the white wire you plugged 
> into the tach, is connected to the ballast resistor at the other end. 
> If so, unplug the tach end, loop it through the transformer block, and 
> plug it into the #2 terminal on the ignition switch.
>
> If the tach works properly, then you're good. If it does not, then try 
> looping the white wire through the transformer block in the opposite 
> direction. If that still fails (but the engine runs properly), then 
> abandon the transformer and use Nissonger's signal wire. As Gary says, 
> that wire should be connected using a new extension wire to the coil 
> negative terminal ( where the points connect ).
>
> Good luck,
>
> Theo
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From: *"tigers" <[email-masked]>
> *To: *"Joe Brown" <[email-masked]>
> *Cc: *"tigers" <[email-masked]>
> *Sent: *Wednesday, November 20, 2019 7:22:28 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [Tigers] Starter Solenoid
>
>     On Nov 20, 2019, at 2:30 PM, Joe Brown via Tigers
>     Thanks to Donald Antilla and Ron Fraser for their quick replies. 
>     They have me on the right track now. In my new wiring harness I
>     have one white wire that comes out of the harness behind the tach
>     and I assumed it plugged into the white wire (labeled "signal in")
>     on the back of the tach. My tach was rebuilt by Nisonger and has
>     the updated electronics.  I ohmed that wire out and it is the one
>     that goes to the ballast resistor.  So should I run a new wire
>     from the ignition switch to the tach and piggyback the ballast
>     wire to that?
>
>     Thanks,
>
>     Joe Brown
>
>     On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 3:31 PM Donald Antilla
>
>         The starter solenoid temporarily supplies 12 volts to the. Oil
>         while the starter is cranking.
>         As soon as you release the key that temporary 12 volts is
>         disconnected and the power to the coil is via the ballast
>         resistor.
>         It sounds like you either have a bad ballast resistor or
>         broken wiring to the ballast resistor.
>         Temporarily add an alligator jumper across the two tabs on the
>         resistor and see if it starts. If it does start you have a bad
>         resistor.
>         And if that does not work, start looking for lack of 12 volts
>         INTO. The ballast resistor.
>
>         > On Nov 20, 2019, at 4:20 PM, Joe Brown via Tigers
>         >
>         >
>         > Hey,
>         >
>         > I'm trying to fire up my engine for the first time and I
>         have a question.  When I turn the key to the start position
>         the engine turns over and fires up.  But as soon as I let go
>         of the key so that it returns to the run position it dies.  It
>         seems like the ignition system is only getting power when the
>         key is in the start position.
>         >
>         > I'm a little confused by the wiring diagram.  The white/blue
>         wire from the solenoid goes to the coil and this would seem to
>         imply that there should always be 12V on this wire when the
>         key is in the run position.  Is this correct?  I'm only
>         getting the 12V on this line when the key is in the start
>         position.
>         >
>         > Any ideas?
>         >
>         > Thanks,
>         > Joe Brown
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    Uh, I think some of that is wrong info.. very confusing to me
    anyway.<br>
    <br>
    Leave the loop in the stock white wire(or straighten it out) but do
    NOT hook it back to the new tach.<br>
    That wire goes directly from the ignition switch to the top of the
    ballast resistor, needs NO connection<br>
    to your new tach.<br>
    <br>
    Your new white wire with spade needs an extension wire going to the
    low (negative) side of the<br>
    coil where the wire goes to the points (Pertronix).<br>
    <br>
    The +12 green wire needs to plug to the original spade on the back
    of the tach.<br>
    HTH,<br>
    Gary W.<br>
    <br>
    <br>
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            I just had a good discussion with Peter Bayer who owns
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">Peter
            explained the entire circuitry to me and I will only
            summarize in words, then please view the attached file from
            Nisonger.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">Keep
              the loop on the back of the tach intact. Do NOT remove nor
              disconnect. This SHOULD therefore provide 12 volt power to
              the ballast resistor<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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            style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span
              style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">Route
              a wire from the female spade terminal at back of the
              updated tach TO the negative side of the ignition coil
              which has been equipped with the Pertronix system.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
        </ul>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">Peter
            Bayer is a smart and helpful person and is quite willing to
            receive a call from Gary and walk Gary through the
            instructions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">I
            think once Gary talks with Peter while reading the attached
            instructions that all will be good.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">Peter
            Bayer’s number is (914) 381-3600<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">Please
            let me know how it goes. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph"><span
            style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:14.0pt">Don
                Antilla <o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:14.0pt">Southbury,
                CT<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:14.0pt">203-264-8301
                Home<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:14.0pt">203-592-8427
                Cell<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
        </div>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF
          1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Tigers
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a> on behalf of Theo
              Smit via Tigers <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
              <b>Reply-To: </b>Theo Smit <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
              <b>Date: </b>Wednesday, November 20, 2019 at 11:49 PM<br>
              <b>To: </b>Gary <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
              <b>Cc: </b>tigers <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
              <b>Subject: </b>Re: [Tigers] Starter Solenoid<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        </div>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        </div>
        <div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">remember
                that TigersUnited.com is not dead, and among other
                resources it has a complete scan of the Tiger Workshop
                Manual, including good re-digitized drawings of the
                wiring diagram.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><a
href="http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/tt-images/MKIBIGwiring.jpg"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/tt-images/MKIBIGwiring.jpg</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">So,
                with respect to that drawing:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">-
                Your tach should be powered through the spade connector
                on the back of the tach. That should be connected to a
                green wire that is energized only when the ignition is
                on or in the start position.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">-
                Your tach should be grounded through the black
                daisy-chain wires that need to be connected to the dash
                frame somewhere (not just gauge to gauge to gauge).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">-
                The OEM wiring has the coil power run through a white
                wire, looped through the transformer U-shaped metal
                piece and plastic frame that is mounted on the back of
                the tach. It kind of sounds like the Nissonger rebuild
                gave you an alternate means of sensing the ignition with
                their white "signal in" line. You should have got a
                wiring diagram with the tach, if they changed the way it
                can be wired up.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">-
                That OEM white wire needs to connect to one end of the
                ballast resistor as shown in the wiring diagram (and the
                other end plugs into the ignition switch, not the tach).
                It supplies power to the coil through the ballast
                resistor when the car is running.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">-
                The white/blue wire runs from the solenoid to the
                ballast resistor to the coil positive.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">It
                sounds like you need to make sure that the white wire
                you plugged into the tach, is connected to the ballast
                resistor at the other end. If so, unplug the tach end,
                loop it through the transformer block, and plug it into
                the #2 terminal on the ignition switch.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">If
                the tach works properly, then you're good. If it does
                not, then try looping the white wire through the
                transformer block in the opposite direction. If that
                still fails (but the engine runs properly), then abandon
                the transformer and use Nissonger's signal wire. As Gary
                says, that wire should be connected using a new
                extension wire to the coil negative terminal ( where the
                points connect ).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Good
                luck,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Theo<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center"
            align="center"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">
              <hr width="100%" size="0" align="center"></span></div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">From:
                </span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">"tigers"
                <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
                <b>To: </b>"Joe Brown" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
                <b>Cc: </b>"tigers" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
                <b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, November 20, 2019 7:22:28 PM<br>
                <b>Subject: </b>Re: [Tigers] Starter Solenoid<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">The
                Signal wire should probably wire to<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">the
                  points or low side of the coil.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">The
                  white wire should not end at the tach<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">but
                  would do a one loop through the coil<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">pickup
                  on the back of the stock tach and<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">then
                  run to the ballast.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">You
                  do need 12v to the back of the tach<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">spade
                  terminal and a ground.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Gary<o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Sent
                    from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
                <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">On
                      Nov 20, 2019, at 2:30 PM, Joe Brown via Tigers
                      <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Thanks
                        to Donald Antilla and Ron Fraser for their quick
                        replies.  They have me on the right track now. 
                        In my new wiring harness I have one white wire
                        that comes out of the harness behind the tach
                        and I assumed it plugged into the white wire
                        (labeled "signal in") on the back of the tach. 
                        My tach was rebuilt by Nisonger and has the
                        updated electronics.  I ohmed that wire out and
                        it is the one that goes to the ballast
                        resistor.  So should I run a new wire from the
                        ignition switch to the tach and piggyback the
                        ballast wire to that?  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Joe
                          Brown<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">On
                          Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 3:31 PM Donald Antilla
                          &lt;<a href="mailto:[email-masked]"
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                          wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">The
                          starter solenoid temporarily supplies 12 volts
                          to the. Oil while the starter is cranking. <br>
                          As soon as you release the key that temporary
                          12 volts is disconnected and the power to the
                          coil is via the ballast resistor. <br>
                          It sounds like you either have a bad ballast
                          resistor or broken wiring to the ballast
                          resistor. <br>
                          Temporarily add an alligator jumper across the
                          two tabs on the resistor and see if it starts.
                          If it does start you have a bad resistor. <br>
                          And if that does not work, start looking for
                          lack of 12 volts INTO. The ballast resistor. <br>
                          <br>
                          From Don's iPhone 203-592-8427<br>
                          Or 203-264-8301 home<br>
                          <br>
                          &gt; On Nov 20, 2019, at 4:20 PM, Joe Brown
                          via Tigers &lt;<a
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                          wrote:<br>
                          &gt; <br>
                          &gt; <br>
                          &gt; Hey,<br>
                          &gt; <br>
                          &gt; I'm trying to fire up my engine for the
                          first time and I have a question.  When I turn
                          the key to the start position the engine turns
                          over and fires up.  But as soon as I let go of
                          the key so that it returns to the run position
                          it dies.  It seems like the ignition system is
                          only getting power when the key is in the
                          start position. <br>
                          &gt; <br>
                          &gt; I'm a little confused by the wiring
                          diagram.  The white/blue wire from the
                          solenoid goes to the coil and this would seem
                          to imply that there should always be 12V on
                          this wire when the key is in the run
                          position.  Is this correct?  I'm only getting
                          the 12V on this line when the key is in the
                          start position.  <br>
                          &gt; <br>
                          &gt; Any ideas?<br>
                          &gt; <br>
                          &gt; Thanks,<br>
                          &gt; Joe Brown<br>
                          &gt;
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After a lot of feedback from you guys and the information that Don got from
Nisonger I was able to get everything wired up correctly today.
1. White wire that originally went to the tach is now hooked to terminal #2
on the ignition switch and goes to the ballast resistor.
2. I ran a new wire from the points side of the coil to the signal input on
the tach.
3. I also discovered that I had the Pertronix wired up wrong.  The red wire
has to go to 12V and I had it on the battery side of the coil (which is
only 7 or 8 volts when the engine is running).

So I got that all straightened out, poured some gas into the carb and
cranked it up.  Now I need to fix the squealing belt.  I think it is
slipping on the alternator pulley because that pulley and the belt got
really hot.  I'll let it cool down and mess with it later.

I only have about a thousand more things to do before I can drive this
thing out of the garage.

Thanks for all of the help.

Joe

On Thu, Nov 21, 2019, 9:45 AM Gary via Tigers <[email-masked]> wrote=
:

> That wire goes directly from the ignition switch to the top of the ballas=
t
> resistor, needs NO connection
> to your new tach.
>
> The +12 green wire needs to plug to the original spade on the back of the
> tach.
> HTH,
> Gary W.
>
>
> Peter explained the entire circuitry to me and I will only summarize in
> words, then please view the attached file from Nisonger.
>
> The summary is:
>
>    - Keep the loop on the back of the tach intact. Do NOT remove nor
>    disconnect. This SHOULD therefore provide 12 volt power to the ballast
>    resistor
>    - Route a wire from the female spade terminal at back of the updated
>    tach TO the negative side of the ignition coil which has been equipped=
 with
>    the Pertronix system.
> Peter Bayer is a smart and helpful person and is quite willing to receive
> a call from Gary and walk Gary through the instructions.
>
> I think once Gary talks with Peter while reading the attached instruction=
s
> *Don Antilla *
> *Southbury, CT*
> *203-264-8301 Home*
> *203-592-8427 Cell*
> *From: *Tigers <[email-masked]>
> <[email-masked]> on behalf of Theo Smit via Tigers
> <[email-masked]> <[email-masked]>
> *Reply-To: *Theo Smit <[email-masked]> <[email-masked]>
> *To: *Gary <[email-masked]> <[email-masked]>
> *Cc: *tigers <[email-masked]> <[email-masked]>
> remember that TigersUnited.com is not dead, and among other resources it
> has a complete scan of the Tiger Workshop Manual, including good
> - Your tach should be powered through the spade connector on the back of
> the tach. That should be connected to a green wire that is energized only
> when the ignition is on or in the start position.
>
> - Your tach should be grounded through the black daisy-chain wires that
> need to be connected to the dash frame somewhere (not just gauge to gauge
> to gauge).
>
> white "signal in" line. You should have got a wiring diagram with the tac=
h,
> if they changed the way it can be wired up.
>
> - That OEM white wire needs to connect to one end of the ballast resistor
> as shown in the wiring diagram (and the other end plugs into the ignition
> switch, not the tach). It supplies power to the coil through the ballast
> resistor when the car is running.
>
> - The white/blue wire runs from the solenoid to the ballast resistor to
> the coil positive.
>
>
>
> It sounds like you need to make sure that the white wire you plugged into
> the tach, is connected to the ballast resistor at the other end. If so,
> unplug the tach end, loop it through the transformer block, and plug it
> into the #2 terminal on the ignition switch.
>
>
>
> direction. If that still fails (but the engine runs properly), then aband=
on
> the transformer and use Nissonger's signal wire. As Gary says, that wire
> should be connected using a new extension wire to the coil negative
> terminal ( where the points connect ).
>
>
>
>
>
> Good luck,
>
> Theo
> ------------------------------
>
> *From: *"tigers" <[email-masked]> <[email-masked]>
> *To: *"Joe Brown" <[email-masked]> <[email-masked]>
> *Cc: *"tigers" <[email-masked]> <[email-masked]>
> On Nov 20, 2019, at 2:30 PM, Joe Brown via Tigers <[email-masked]>
> Thanks to Donald Antilla and Ron Fraser for their quick replies.  They
> have me on the right track now.  In my new wiring harness I have one whit=
e
> wire that comes out of the harness behind the tach and I assumed it plugg=
ed
> into the white wire (labeled "signal in") on the back of the tach.  My ta=
ch
> was rebuilt by Nisonger and has the updated electronics.  I ohmed that wi=
re
> out and it is the one that goes to the ballast resistor.  So should I run=
 a
> new wire from the ignition switch to the tach and piggyback the ballast
> wire to that?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joe Brown
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 3:31 PM Donald Antilla <[email-masked]>
> wrote:
>
> The starter solenoid temporarily supplies 12 volts to the. Oil while the
> starter is cranking.
> As soon as you release the key that temporary 12 volts is disconnected an=
d
> the power to the coil is via the ballast resistor.
> It sounds like you either have a bad ballast resistor or broken wiring to
> the ballast resistor.
> Temporarily add an alligator jumper across the two tabs on the resistor
> and see if it starts. If it does start you have a bad resistor.
> And if that does not work, start looking for lack of 12 volts INTO. The
> ballast resistor.
>
> > On Nov 20, 2019, at 4:20 PM, Joe Brown via Tigers <[email-masked]=
t>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hey,
> >
> > I'm trying to fire up my engine for the first time and I have a
> question.  When I turn the key to the start position the engine turns ove=
r
> and fires up.  But as soon as I let go of the key so that it returns to t=
he
> run position it dies.  It seems like the ignition system is only getting
> power when the key is in the start position.
> >
> > I'm a little confused by the wiring diagram.  The white/blue wire from
> the solenoid goes to the coil and this would seem to imply that there
> should always be 12V on this wire when the key is in the run position.  I=
s
> this correct?  I'm only getting the 12V on this line when the key is in t=
he
> start position.
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/[email-masked]
>
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">After a lot of feedback from you guys and the information =
that Don got from Nisonger I was able to get everything wired up correctly =
today.<div>1. White wire that originally went to the tach is now hooked to =
terminal #2 on the ignition switch and goes to the ballast resistor.</div><=
div>2. I ran a new wire from the points side of the coil to the signal inpu=
t on the tach.</div><div>3. I also discovered that I had the Pertronix wire=
d up wrong.=C2=A0 The red wire has to go to 12V and I had it on the battery=
 side of the coil (which is only 7 or 8 volts when the engine is running).<=
/div><div><br></div><div>So I got that all straightened out, poured some ga=
s into the carb and cranked it up.=C2=A0 Now I need to fix the squealing be=
lt.=C2=A0 I think it is slipping on the alternator pulley because that pull=
ey and the belt got really hot.=C2=A0 I&#39;ll let it cool down and mess wi=
th it later.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>I only have about a thous=
and more things to do before I can drive this thing out of the garage.=C2=
=A0=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for all of the help.</div><div><b=
r></div><div>Joe</div></div><div dir=3D"auto"></div><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Nov 21, 2019, 9:45 AM=
 Gary via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_bl=
ank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gma=
il_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,2=
04,204);padding-left:1ex">
 =20
   =20
 =20
  <div>
    Uh, I think some of that is wrong info.. very confusing to me
    anyway.<br>
    <br>
    Leave the loop in the stock white wire(or straighten it out) but do
    NOT hook it back to the new tach.<br>
    That wire goes directly from the ignition switch to the top of the
    ballast resistor, needs NO connection<br>
    to your new tach.<br>
    <br>
    Your new white wire with spade needs an extension wire going to the
    low (negative) side of the<br>
    coil where the wire goes to the points (Pertronix).<br>
    <br>
    The +12 green wire needs to plug to the original spade on the back
    of the tach.<br>
    HTH,<br>
    Gary W.<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div>On 11/21/2019 7:09 AM, Donald Antilla
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
     =20
     =20
     =20
     =20
      <div>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:16pt;font-family:Ar=
ial,sans-serif">Gary
            and Friends:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:16pt;font-family:Ar=
ial,sans-serif">
            I just had a good discussion with Peter Bayer who owns
            Nisonger Corporation and who modifies the tachs.<u></u><u></u><=
/span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:16pt;font-family:Ar=
ial,sans-serif">Peter
            explained the entire circuitry to me and I will only
            summarize in words, then please view the attached file from
            Nisonger.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:16pt;font-family:Ar=
ial,sans-serif">The
            summary is:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
          <li style=3D"margin-left:0in"><span style=3D"font-size:16pt;font-=
family:Arial,sans-serif">Keep
              the loop on the back of the tach intact. Do NOT remove nor
              disconnect. This SHOULD therefore provide 12 volt power to
              the ballast resistor<u></u><u></u></span></li>
          <li style=3D"margin-left:0in"><span style=3D"font-size:16pt;font-=
family:Arial,sans-serif">Route
              a wire from the female spade terminal at back of the
              updated tach TO the negative side of the ignition coil
              which has been equipped with the Pertronix system.<u></u><u><=
/u></span></li>
        </ul>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:16pt;font-family:Ar=
ial,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:16pt;font-family:Ar=
ial,sans-serif">I=E2=80=99ve
            attached the instructions from Nisonger for you to follow.<u></=
u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:16pt;font-family:Ar=
ial,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:16pt;font-family:Ar=
ial,sans-serif">Peter
            Bayer is a smart and helpful person and is quite willing to
            receive a call from Gary and walk Gary through the
            instructions.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:16pt;font-family:Ar=
ial,sans-serif">I
            think once Gary talks with Peter while reading the attached
            instructions that all will be good.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:16pt;font-family:Ar=
ial,sans-serif">Peter
            Bayer=E2=80=99s number is (914) 381-3600<u></u><u></u></span></=
p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:16pt;font-family:Ar=
ial,sans-serif">Please
            let me know how it goes. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p><span style=3D"font-size:16pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><u><=
/u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:16pt;font-family:Ar=
ial,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
        <div>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><i><span style=3D"font-size:14pt">Don
                Antilla <u></u><u></u></span></i></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><i><span style=3D"font-size:14pt">Southbur=
y,
                CT<u></u><u></u></span></i></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><i><span style=3D"font-size:14pt">203-264-=
8301
                Home<u></u><u></u></span></i></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><i><span style=3D"font-size:14pt">203-592-=
8427
                Cell<u></u><u></u></span></i></p>
        </div>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:16pt;font-family:Ar=
ial,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:16pt;font-family:Ar=
ial,sans-serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
        <div style=3D"border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none=
;border-top:1pt solid rgb(181,196,223);padding:3pt 0in 0in">
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:bla=
ck">From: </span></b><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;color:black">Tigers
              <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"noref=
errer" target=3D"_blank">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a> on behal=
f of Theo
              Smit via Tigers <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=
=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
              <b>Reply-To: </b>Theo Smit <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" r=
el=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
              <b>Date: </b>Wednesday, November 20, 2019 at 11:49 PM<br>
              <b>To: </b>Gary <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" re=
l=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
              <b>Cc: </b>tigers <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" re=
l=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
              <b>Subject: </b>Re: [Tigers] Starter Solenoid<u></u><u></u></=
span></p>
        </div>
        <div>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
        </div>
        <div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-famil=
y:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">remember
                that TigersUnited.com is not dead, and among other
                resources it has a complete scan of the Tiger Workshop
                Manual, including good re-digitized drawings of the
                wiring diagram.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-famil=
y:Arial,sans-serif;color:black"><a href=3D"http://www.tigersunited.com/reso=
urces/wsm/tt-images/MKIBIGwiring.jpg" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">=
http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/tt-images/MKIBIGwiring.jpg</a><u>=
</u><u></u></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-famil=
y:Arial,sans-serif;color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-famil=
y:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">So,
                with respect to that drawing:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-famil=
y:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">-
                Your tach should be powered through the spade connector
                on the back of the tach. That should be connected to a
                green wire that is energized only when the ignition is
                on or in the start position.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-famil=
y:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">-
                Your tach should be grounded through the black
                daisy-chain wires that need to be connected to the dash
                frame somewhere (not just gauge to gauge to gauge).<u></u><=
u></u></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-famil=
y:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">-
                The OEM wiring has the coil power run through a white
                wire, looped through the transformer U-shaped metal
                piece and plastic frame that is mounted on the back of
                the tach. It kind of sounds like the Nissonger rebuild
                gave you an alternate means of sensing the ignition with
                their white &quot;signal in&quot; line. You should have got=
 a
                wiring diagram with the tach, if they changed the way it
                can be wired up.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-famil=
y:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">-
                That OEM white wire needs to connect to one end of the
                ballast resistor as shown in the wiring diagram (and the
                other end plugs into the ignition switch, not the tach).
                It supplies power to the coil through the ballast
                resistor when the car is running.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-famil=
y:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">-
                The white/blue wire runs from the solenoid to the
                ballast resistor to the coil positive.<u></u><u></u></span>=
</p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-famil=
y:Arial,sans-serif;color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-famil=
y:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">It
                sounds like you need to make sure that the white wire
                you plugged into the tach, is connected to the ballast
                resistor at the other end. If so, unplug the tach end,
                loop it through the transformer block, and plug it into
                the #2 terminal on the ignition switch.<u></u><u></u></span=
></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-famil=
y:Arial,sans-serif;color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-famil=
y:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">If
                the tach works properly, then you&#39;re good. If it does
                not, then try looping the white wire through the
                transformer block in the opposite direction. If that
                still fails (but the engine runs properly), then abandon
                the transformer and use Nissonger&#39;s signal wire. As Gar=
y
                says, that wire should be connected using a new
                extension wire to the coil negative terminal ( where the
                points connect ).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-famil=
y:Arial,sans-serif;color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-famil=
y:Arial,sans-serif;color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-famil=
y:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">Good
                luck,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-famil=
y:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">Theo<u></u><u></u></span></p>
          </div>
          <div class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:center" align=3D"cen=
ter"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black=
">
              <hr width=3D"100%" size=3D"0" align=3D"center"></span></div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-fa=
mily:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">From:
                </span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,=
sans-serif;color:black">&quot;tigers&quot;
                <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer"=
 target=3D"_blank">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
                <b>To: </b>&quot;Joe Brown&quot; <a href=3D"mailto:jbbrown1=
[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">&lt;[email-masked]=
om&gt;</a><br>
                <b>Cc: </b>&quot;tigers&quot; <a href=3D"mailto:Tigers@auto=
x.team.net" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">&lt;[email-masked]&=
gt;</a><br>
                <b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, November 20, 2019 7:22:28 PM<br>
                <b>Subject: </b>Re: [Tigers] Starter Solenoid<u></u><u></u>=
</span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-famil=
y:Arial,sans-serif;color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-famil=
y:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">The
                Signal wire should probably wire to<u></u><u></u></span></p=
            <div>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-fam=
ily:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">the
                  points or low side of the coil.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-fam=
ily:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">The
                  white wire should not end at the tach<u></u><u></u></span=
></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-fam=
ily:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">but
                  would do a one loop through the coil<u></u><u></u></span>=
</p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-fam=
ily:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">pickup
                  on the back of the stock tach and<u></u><u></u></span></p=
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-fam=
ily:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">then
                  run to the ballast.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-fam=
ily:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">You
                  do need 12v to the back of the tach<u></u><u></u></span><=
/p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-fam=
ily:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">spade
                  terminal and a ground.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt"><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">Gary<u></u><=
u></u></span></p>
              <div>
                <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-f=
amily:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">Sent
                    from my iPhone<u></u><u></u></span></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-f=
amily:Arial,sans-serif;color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
                <blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
                  <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt"><span=
 style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">On
                      Nov 20, 2019, at 2:30 PM, Joe Brown via Tigers
                      <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"noref=
errer" target=3D"_blank">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a> wrote:<u></u><u>=
</u></span></p>
                </blockquote>
              </div>
              <blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
                <div>
                  <div>
                    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;fo=
nt-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">Thanks
                        to Donald Antilla and Ron Fraser for their quick
                        replies.=C2=A0 They have me on the right track now.=
=C2=A0
                        In my new wiring harness I have one white wire
                        that comes out of the harness behind the tach
                        and I assumed it plugged into the white wire
                        (labeled &quot;signal in&quot;) on the back of the =
tach.=C2=A0
                        My tach was rebuilt by Nisonger and has the
                        updated electronics.=C2=A0 I ohmed that wire out an=
d
                        it is the one that goes to the ballast
                        resistor.=C2=A0 So should I run a new wire from the
                        ignition switch to the tach and piggyback the
                        ballast wire to that?=C2=A0=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></sp=
an></p>
                    <div>
                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;=
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                          Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 3:31 PM Donald Antilla
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                          starter solenoid temporarily supplies 12 volts
                          to the. Oil while the starter is cranking. <br>
                          As soon as you release the key that temporary
                          12 volts is disconnected and the power to the
                          coil is via the ballast resistor. <br>
                          It sounds like you either have a bad ballast
                          resistor or broken wiring to the ballast
                          resistor. <br>
                          Temporarily add an alligator jumper across the
                          two tabs on the resistor and see if it starts.
                          If it does start you have a bad resistor. <br>
                          And if that does not work, start looking for
                          lack of 12 volts INTO. The ballast resistor. <br>
                          <br>
                          From Don&#39;s iPhone 203-592-8427<br>
                          Or 203-264-8301 home<br>
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                          &gt; On Nov 20, 2019, at 4:20 PM, Joe Brown
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                          &gt; <br>
                          &gt; Hey,<br>
                          &gt; <br>
                          &gt; I&#39;m trying to fire up my engine for the
                          first time and I have a question.=C2=A0 When I tu=
rn
                          the key to the start position the engine turns
                          over and fires up.=C2=A0 But as soon as I let go =
of
                          the key so that it returns to the run position
                          it dies.=C2=A0 It seems like the ignition system =
is
                          only getting power when the key is in the
                          start position. <br>
                          &gt; <br>
                          &gt; I&#39;m a little confused by the wiring
                          diagram.=C2=A0 The white/blue wire from the
                          solenoid goes to the coil and this would seem
                          to imply that there should always be 12V on
                          this wire when the key is in the run
                          position.=C2=A0 Is this correct?=C2=A0 I&#39;m on=
ly getting
                          the 12V on this line when the key is in the
                          start position.=C2=A0 <br>
                          &gt; <br>
                          &gt; Any ideas?<br>
                          &gt; <br>
                          &gt; Thanks,<br>
                          &gt; Joe Brown<br>
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From: Gary via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 16:56:48 -0800

Pertronix may have changed their instructions but..
I bought one of the earliest Pertronix "points replacement" in about 1992.
Instructions then said the red wire goes to the coil - (low side of 
ballast).

I just looked at my car, it IS wired that way as it has been without any 
problem since about 1992.
Stock (and Theo's replacement electronics) tach have always worked 
perfectly and reliably.

So much better than points!   I bet most new kids now a days don't have 
a clue what those are!!
Gary W.

On 11/21/2019 2:27 PM, Joe Brown wrote:
> 3. I also discovered that I had the Pertronix wired up wrong.  The red 
> wire has to go to 12V and I had it on the battery side of the coil 
> (which is only 7 or 8 volts when the engine is running).
>

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