Subject: Re: [Tigers] Starter Solenoid

From: Tom Witt via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 08:35:45 -0800

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I=E2=80=99m not sure if this will be helpful to solving anyone=E2=80=99s =
tach problems..., but it may be helpful in understanding how the =
Pertronix works (and that might help solve a tach problem?). Because the =
Pertronix is an =E2=80=9Celectronic=E2=80=9D ignition I originally =
assumed it worked by sending  pulsed 12V + to the coil to spark the =
plugs. However, that is not the case. It simply does electronically what =
points do mechanically. It temporarily grounds the negative side of the =
coil and the electronic =E2=80=98make and break=E2=80=99 is what =
triggers the coil to fire.

Where people run into trouble is they will often power the 12V + the =
Pertronix needs from the diminishing side of the resistor (which then =
isn=E2=80=99t 12V).  This results in low/fluctuating power. While this =
is a =E2=80=9CPertronix=E2=80=9D connection issue, it might also be the =
cause of some tach problems as well.  The simple work around is to =
connect a 12V + wire directly from the ignition run position to the red =
wire on the Pertronix. I also see merit in what is stated below about =
running a dedicated wire between the negative side of the coil and the =
tach.

And, if you have the frustrating Ignitor I, as I do, I put a connector =
in that decicated 12V+ wire so when I have cause to keep the ignition on =
(for say,... testing an electric fuel pump) I can disconnect the Ignitor =
I so it doesn=E2=80=99t fry in that 30 second window of survival. =
I=E2=80=99m not sure if this will help or confuse but as best I was able =
with the symbols available on a keyboard the circuit is illustrated.

                                                             =
/........................................I                               =
    =20
- Battery 12V+.......... Ignition Switch (start).......... =
Resistor........ + Coil =E2=80=93......... Pertronix............ Ground
I               12V =
+........................................................................=
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                                                                  =20
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From: Donald Antilla via Tigers=20
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 7:09 AM
To: Theo Smit ; Gary=20
Cc: tigers=20
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Starter Solenoid

Gary and Friends:

I just had a good discussion with Peter Bayer who owns Nisonger =
Corporation and who modifies the tachs.

Peter explained the entire circuitry to me and I will only summarize in =
words, then please view the attached file from Nisonger.

The summary is:

  a.. Keep the loop on the back of the tach intact. Do NOT remove nor =
disconnect. This SHOULD therefore provide 12 volt power to the ballast =
resistor=20
  b.. Route a wire from the female spade terminal at back of the updated =
tach TO the negative side of the ignition coil which has been equipped =
with the Pertronix system.
=20

I=E2=80=99ve attached the instructions from Nisonger for you to follow.

=20

Peter Bayer is a smart and helpful person and is quite willing to =
receive a call from Gary and walk Gary through the instructions.

I think once Gary talks with Peter while reading the attached =
instructions that all will be good.

Peter Bayer=E2=80=99s number is (914) 381-3600

Please let me know how it goes.=20

=20

=20

Don Antilla=20

Southbury, CT

203-264-8301 Home

203-592-8427 Cell

=20

=20

From: Tigers <[email-masked]> on behalf of Theo Smit via =
Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 at 11:49 PM
To: Gary <[email-masked]>
Cc: tigers <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Starter Solenoid

=20

remember that TigersUnited.com is not dead, and among other resources it =
has a complete scan of the Tiger Workshop Manual, including good =
re-digitized drawings of the wiring diagram.

http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/tt-images/MKIBIGwiring.jpg

=20

So, with respect to that drawing:

- Your tach should be powered through the spade connector on the back of =
the tach. That should be connected to a green wire that is energized =
only when the ignition is on or in the start position.

- Your tach should be grounded through the black daisy-chain wires that =
need to be connected to the dash frame somewhere (not just gauge to =
gauge to gauge).

- The OEM wiring has the coil power run through a white wire, looped =
through the transformer U-shaped metal piece and plastic frame that is =
mounted on the back of the tach. It kind of sounds like the Nissonger =
rebuild gave you an alternate means of sensing the ignition with their =
white "signal in" line. You should have got a wiring diagram with the =
tach, if they changed the way it can be wired up.

- That OEM white wire needs to connect to one end of the ballast =
resistor as shown in the wiring diagram (and the other end plugs into =
the ignition switch, not the tach). It supplies power to the coil =
through the ballast resistor when the car is running.

- The white/blue wire runs from the solenoid to the ballast resistor to =
the coil positive.

=20

It sounds like you need to make sure that the white wire you plugged =
into the tach, is connected to the ballast resistor at the other end. If =
so, unplug the tach end, loop it through the transformer block, and plug =
it into the #2 terminal on the ignition switch.

=20

If the tach works properly, then you're good. If it does not, then try =
looping the white wire through the transformer block in the opposite =
direction. If that still fails (but the engine runs properly), then =
abandon the transformer and use Nissonger's signal wire. As Gary says, =
that wire should be connected using a new extension wire to the coil =
negative terminal ( where the points connect ).

=20

=20

Good luck,

Theo

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From: "tigers" <[email-masked]>
To: "Joe Brown" <[email-masked]>
Cc: "tigers" <[email-masked]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 7:22:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Starter Solenoid

=20

The Signal wire should probably wire to

the points or low side of the coil.

The white wire should not end at the tach

but would do a one loop through the coil

pickup on the back of the stock tach and

then run to the ballast.

You do need 12v to the back of the tach

spade terminal and a ground.

Gary

Sent from my iPhone

=20

  On Nov 20, 2019, at 2:30 PM, Joe Brown via Tigers =
<[email-masked]> wrote:

  Thanks to Donald Antilla and Ron Fraser for their quick replies.  They =
have me on the right track now.  In my new wiring harness I have one =
white wire that comes out of the harness behind the tach and I assumed =
it plugged into the white wire (labeled "signal in") on the back of the =
tach.  My tach was rebuilt by Nisonger and has the updated electronics.  =
I ohmed that wire out and it is the one that goes to the ballast =
resistor.  So should I run a new wire from the ignition switch to the =
tach and piggyback the ballast wire to that? =20

  Thanks,

  Joe Brown

  =20

  On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 3:31 PM Donald Antilla <[email-masked]> =
wrote:

    The starter solenoid temporarily supplies 12 volts to the. Oil while =
the starter is cranking.=20
    As soon as you release the key that temporary 12 volts is =
disconnected and the power to the coil is via the ballast resistor.=20
    It sounds like you either have a bad ballast resistor or broken =
wiring to the ballast resistor.=20
    Temporarily add an alligator jumper across the two tabs on the =
resistor and see if it starts. If it does start you have a bad resistor. =

    And if that does not work, start looking for lack of 12 volts INTO. =
The ballast resistor.=20

    From Don's iPhone 203-592-8427
    Or 203-264-8301 home

    > On Nov 20, 2019, at 4:20 PM, Joe Brown via Tigers =
<[email-masked]> wrote:
    >=20
    >=20
    > Hey,
    >=20
    > I'm trying to fire up my engine for the first time and I have a =
question.  When I turn the key to the start position the engine turns =
over and fires up.  But as soon as I let go of the key so that it =
returns to the run position it dies.  It seems like the ignition system =
is only getting power when the key is in the start position.=20
    >=20
    > I'm a little confused by the wiring diagram.  The white/blue wire =
from the solenoid goes to the coil and this would seem to imply that =
there should always be 12V on this wire when the key is in the run =
position.  Is this correct?  I'm only getting the 12V on this line when =
the key is in the start position. =20
    >=20
    > Any ideas?
    >=20
    > Thanks,
    > Joe Brown
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<DIV>I=E2=80=99m not sure if this will be helpful to solving =
anyone=E2=80=99s tach problems...,=20
but it may be helpful in understanding how the Pertronix works (and that =
might=20
help solve a tach problem?). Because the Pertronix is an =
=E2=80=9Celectronic=E2=80=9D ignition I=20
originally assumed it worked by sending&nbsp; pulsed 12V + to the coil =
to spark=20
the plugs. However, that is not the case. It simply does electronically =
what=20
points do mechanically. It temporarily grounds the negative side of the =
coil and=20
the electronic =E2=80=98make and break=E2=80=99 is what triggers the =
coil to fire.</DIV>
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the=20
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problems as=20
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of the=20
coil and the tach.</DIV>
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<DIV>And, if you have the frustrating Ignitor I, as I do, I put a =
connector in=20
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(for=20
say,... testing an electric fuel pump) I can disconnect the Ignitor I so =
it=20
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not sure if this will help=20
or confuse but as best I was able with the symbols available on a =
keyboard the=20
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<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A =
title=[email-masked]=20
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Donald Antilla via Tigers</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, November 21, 2019 7:09 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=[email-masked] =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Theo Smit</A>=20
; <A title=[email-masked]=20
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Gary</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=[email-masked]=20
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">tigers</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Tigers] Starter Solenoid</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=3DWordSection1>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif'>Gary and=20
Friends:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif'>I just had a =
good=20
discussion with Peter Bayer who owns Nisonger Corporation and who =
modifies the=20
tachs.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif'>Peter =
explained the=20
entire circuitry to me and I will only summarize in words, then please =
view the=20
attached file from Nisonger.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif'>The summary=20
is:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<UL style=3D"MARGIN-TOP: 0in" type=3Ddisc>
  <LI class=3DMsoListParagraph=20
  style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><SPAN=20
  style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif'>Keep the =
loop on the=20
  back of the tach intact. Do NOT remove nor disconnect. This SHOULD =
therefore=20
  provide 12 volt power to the ballast resistor<o:p></o:p></SPAN>=20
  <LI class=3DMsoListParagraph=20
  style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><SPAN=20
  style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif'>Route a =
wire from the=20
  female spade terminal at back of the updated tach TO the negative side =
of the=20
  ignition coil which has been equipped with the Pertronix=20
  system.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></LI></UL>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif'>I=E2=80=99ve =
attached the=20
instructions from Nisonger for you to follow.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif'>Peter Bayer =
is a smart=20
and helpful person and is quite willing to receive a call from Gary and =
walk=20
Gary through the instructions.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif'>I think once =
Gary talks=20
with Peter while reading the attached instructions that all will be=20
good.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif'>Peter =
Bayer=E2=80=99s number is=20
(914) 381-3600<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif'>Please let me =
know how=20
it goes. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoListParagraph><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><I><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 14pt">Don Antilla=20
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></I></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><I><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 14pt">Southbury,=20
CT<o:p></o:p></SPAN></I></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><I><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 14pt">203-264-8301=20
Home<o:p></o:p></SPAN></I></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><I><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 14pt">203-592-8427=20
Cell<o:p></o:p></SPAN></I></P></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 16pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; =
BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-TOP: 3pt; =
PADDING-LEFT: 0in; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in">
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: =
black">From:=20
</SPAN></B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">Tigers=20
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; on behalf of Theo Smit via Tigers=20
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<BR><B>Reply-To: </B>Theo Smit=20
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<BR><B>Date: </B>Wednesday, November 20, 2019 at =
11:49=20
PM<BR><B>To: </B>Gary &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<BR><B>Cc: =
</B>tigers=20
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<BR><B>Subject: </B>Re: [Tigers] Starter=20
Solenoid<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><o:p></o:p>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: =
black'>remember=20
that TigersUnited.com is not dead, and among other resources it has a =
complete=20
scan of the Tiger Workshop Manual, including good re-digitized drawings =
of the=20
wiring diagram.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: =
black'><A=20
href=3D"http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/tt-images/MKIBIGwiring.=
jpg">http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/tt-images/MKIBIGwiring.jpg=
</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: =
black'><o:p></o:p></SPAN>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: =
black'>So, with=20
respect to that drawing:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: =
black'>- Your=20
tach should be powered through the spade connector on the back of the =
tach. That=20
should be connected to a green wire that is energized only when the =
ignition is=20
on or in the start position.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: =
black'>- Your=20
tach should be grounded through the black daisy-chain wires that need to =
be=20
connected to the dash frame somewhere (not just gauge to gauge to=20
gauge).<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: =
black'>- The OEM=20
wiring has the coil power run through a white wire, looped through the=20
transformer U-shaped metal piece and plastic frame that is mounted on =
the back=20
of the tach. It kind of sounds like the Nissonger rebuild gave you an =
alternate=20
means of sensing the ignition with their white "signal in" line. You =
should have=20
got a wiring diagram with the tach, if they changed the way it can be =
wired=20
up.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: =
black'>- That=20
OEM white wire needs to connect to one end of the ballast resistor as =
shown in=20
the wiring diagram (and the other end plugs into the ignition switch, =
not the=20
tach). It supplies power to the coil through the ballast resistor when =
the car=20
is running.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: =
black'>- The=20
white/blue wire runs from the solenoid to the ballast resistor to the =
coil=20
positive.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: =
black'><o:p></o:p></SPAN>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: =
black'>It sounds=20
like you need to make sure that the white wire you plugged into the =
tach, is=20
connected to the ballast resistor at the other end. If so, unplug the =
tach end,=20
loop it through the transformer block, and plug it into the #2 terminal =
on the=20
ignition switch.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: =
black'><o:p></o:p></SPAN>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: =
black'>If the=20
tach works properly, then you're good. If it does not, then try looping =
the=20
white wire through the transformer block in the opposite direction. If =
that=20
still fails (but the engine runs properly), then abandon the transformer =
and use=20
Nissonger's signal wire. As Gary says, that wire should be connected =
using a new=20
extension wire to the coil negative terminal ( where the points connect=20
).<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: =
black'><o:p></o:p></SPAN>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: =
black'><o:p></o:p></SPAN>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: =
black'>Good=20
luck,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: =
black'>Theo<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=3Dcenter><SPAN =

style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 100pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: =
black'>
<HR align=3Dcenter SIZE=3D0 width=3D"100%">
</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: =
black'>From:=20
</SPAN></B><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: =
black'>"tigers"=20
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<BR><B>To: </B>"Joe Brown"=20
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<BR><B>Cc: </B>"tigers"=20
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<BR><B>Sent: </B>Wednesday, November 20, =
2019=20
7:22:28 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>Re: [Tigers] Starter=20
Solenoid<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: =
black'><o:p></o:p></SPAN>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: =
black'>The=20
Signal wire should probably wire to<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: =
black'>the=20
points or low side of the coil.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: =
black'>The white=20
wire should not end at the tach<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: =
black'>but would=20
do a one loop through the coil<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: =
black'>pickup on=20
the back of the stock tach and<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: =
black'>then run=20
to the ballast.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: =
black'>You do=20
need 12v to the back of the tach<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: =
black'>spade=20
terminal and a ground.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: =
black'>Gary<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: =
black'>Sent from=20
my iPhone<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: =
black'><o:p></o:p></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt; MARGIN-TOP: 5pt">
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><SPAN=20
  style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: =
black'>On Nov=20
  20, 2019, at 2:30 PM, Joe Brown via Tigers =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;=20
  wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt; MARGIN-TOP: 5pt">
  <DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
  style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: =
black'>Thanks=20
  to Donald Antilla and Ron Fraser for their quick replies.&nbsp; They =
have me=20
  on the right track now.&nbsp; In my new wiring harness I have one =
white wire=20
  that comes out of the harness behind the tach and I assumed it plugged =
into=20
  the white wire (labeled "signal in") on the back of the tach.&nbsp; My =
tach=20
  was rebuilt by Nisonger and has the updated electronics.&nbsp; I ohmed =
that=20
  wire out and it is the one that goes to the ballast resistor.&nbsp; So =
should=20
  I run a new wire from the ignition switch to the tach and piggyback =
the=20
  ballast wire to that?&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
  <DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
  style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: =
black'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
  style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: =
black'>Joe=20
  Brown<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
  style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: =
black'><o:p></o:p></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>
  <DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN=20
  style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: =
black'>On Wed,=20
  Nov 20, 2019 at 3:31 PM Donald Antilla &lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=20
  target=3D_blank>[email-masked]</A>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE=20
  style=3D"BORDER-TOP: medium none; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; =
BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; =
PADDING-LEFT: 6pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 4.8pt; BORDER-LEFT: #cccccc 1pt solid; =
PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in">
    <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><SPAN=20
    style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif; COLOR: =
black'>The=20
    starter solenoid temporarily supplies 12 volts to the. Oil while the =
starter=20
    is cranking. <BR>As soon as you release the key that temporary 12 =
volts is=20
    disconnected and the power to the coil is via the ballast resistor. =
<BR>It=20
    sounds like you either have a bad ballast resistor or broken wiring =
to the=20
    ballast resistor. <BR>Temporarily add an alligator jumper across the =
two=20
    tabs on the resistor and see if it starts. If it does start you have =
a bad=20
    resistor. <BR>And if that does not work, start looking for lack of =
12 volts=20
    INTO. The ballast resistor. <BR><BR>From Don's iPhone =
203-592-8427<BR>Or=20
    203-264-8301 home<BR><BR>&gt; On Nov 20, 2019, at 4:20 PM, Joe Brown =
via=20
    Tigers &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=20
    target=3D_blank>[email-masked]</A>&gt; wrote:<BR>&gt; =
<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;=20
    Hey,<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; I'm trying to fire up my engine for the first =
time and=20
    I have a question.&nbsp; When I turn the key to the start position =
the=20
    engine turns over and fires up.&nbsp; But as soon as I let go of the =
key so=20
    that it returns to the run position it dies.&nbsp; It seems like the =

    ignition system is only getting power when the key is in the start =
position.=20
    <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; I'm a little confused by the wiring diagram.&nbsp; =
The=20
    white/blue wire from the solenoid goes to the coil and this would =
seem to=20
    imply that there should always be 12V on this wire when the key is =
in the=20
    run position.&nbsp; Is this correct?&nbsp; I'm only getting the 12V =
on this=20
    line when the key is in the start position.&nbsp; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; =
Any=20
    ideas?<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Thanks,<BR>&gt; Joe Brown<BR>&gt;=20
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And in the =E2=80=9Cjust after I sent this=E2=80=9D category I noticed =
that the third line of my illustration should have has the 12V for the =
Pertronix coming from the ignition switch, not the battery.

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From: Tom Witt via Tigers=20
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 8:35 AM
To: [email-masked]=20
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Starter Solenoid

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Gary and Friends:

The summary is:

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Don Antilla=20

Southbury, CT

203-264-8301 Home

203-592-8427 Cell

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Good luck,

Theo

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then run to the ballast.

Gary

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<DIV>And in the =E2=80=9Cjust after I sent this=E2=80=9D category I =
noticed that the third line=20
of my illustration should have has the 12V for the Pertronix coming from =
ignition switch, not the battery.</DIV>
style=3D"COLOR: =
#ff0000">/........................................I</FONT>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
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<DIV>- <FONT style=3D"COLOR: #ff0000">Battery 12V+.......... Ignition =
Switch=20
(start).......... Resi</FONT><FONT style=3D"COLOR: #ffc000">stor........ =
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Co</FONT>il =E2=80=93......... Pertronix............ Ground</DIV>
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href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Tom Witt via Tigers</A> </DIV>
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