Subject: Re: [Tigers] Off topic: How to treat new cars

From: coolvt--- via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 12:17:59 +0000 (UTC)

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I think most of the owners' manuals still suggest driving them at varying s=
peeds for the first few hundred miles.=C2=A0 If it was me, I'd try to take =
it out during the coming week and put a few miles on it. Of course, I tend =
to be a little fussy with cars=F0=9F=98=80 Mark L

In a message dated 7/20/2019 7:36:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, tigers@autox=
.team.net writes:
A question for the gearheads out there:=C2=A0 My wife's new Grand Cherokee =
sits in the driveway this morning with a grand total of 85 miles on the odo=
meter.=C2=A0 Next weekend there's a trip planned that involves several hour=
s pounding the interstates.
IIRC in the old days they told us to be gentle with new cars until the engi=
ne was "broken in", a few hundred miles or whatever.=C2=A0 With with the GC=
 there isn't much mention of anything like this.
So what do you think?=C2=A0 With today's oils and clever design, is there a=
nything to worry about for the long term?
Stu_______________________________________________

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<div><span style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 1=
2pt; color: #000000;">I think most of the owners' manuals still suggest dri=
ving them at varying speeds for the first few hundred miles.&nbsp; If it wa=
s me, I'd try to take it out during the coming week and put a few miles on =
it. Of course, I tend to be a little fussy with cars=F0=9F=98=80 Mark L<br>=
<br></span></div>
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In a message dated 7/20/2019 7:36:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, tigers@autox=
.team.net writes:
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<div id=3D"yiv4800659410">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div class=3D"yiv4800659410gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: small;">A que=
stion for the gearheads out there:&nbsp; My wife's new Grand Cherokee sits =
in the driveway this morning with a grand total of 85 miles on the odometer=
.&nbsp; Next weekend there's a trip planned that involves several hours pou=
nding the interstates.</div>
<div class=3D"yiv4800659410gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: small;"><br><=
/div>
<div class=3D"yiv4800659410gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: small;">IIRC =
in the old days they told us to be gentle with new cars until the engine wa=
s "broken in", a few hundred miles or whatever.&nbsp; With with the GC ther=
e isn't much mention of anything like this.</div>
<div class=3D"yiv4800659410gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: small;"><br><=
/div>
<div class=3D"yiv4800659410gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: small;">So wh=
at do you think?&nbsp; With today's oils and clever design, is there anythi=
ng to worry about for the long term?</div>
<div class=3D"yiv4800659410gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: small;"><br><=
/div>
<div class=3D"yiv4800659410gmail_default" style=3D"font-size: small;">Stu</=
div>
</div>
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From: Ron Fraser via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 09:01:36 -0400

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Stu

                I agree with Mark.   Drive it around for the next week =
to get use to how it drives and sounds; also make sure all the systems =
are working properly.

=20

I don=E2=80=99t think there is much to breaking in a new car these days =
or anything to worry about for that trip.  =20

=20

You might want to check to see what the drive cycle is for the computer =
of that vehicle.

When a Check engine light comes ON and the codes are cleared there is a =
drive cycle required for the computer to check all the sensors and =
monitors be happy.

=20

I know on some GM vehicles that drive cycle can be around 100 miles, =
yours could be different but you may want to get around 200 miles on the =
vehicle before taking that trip. =20

=20

There should not be a problem with this new of a vehicle but I think =
knowing the drive cycle is a good thing to know with any computer =
controlled vehicle these days.

=20

Have a safe and happy trip.

=20

Ron Fraser

=20

From: Tigers <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of coolvt--- via =
Tigers
Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2019 8:18 AM
To: [email-masked]; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Off topic: How to treat new cars

=20

I think most of the owners' manuals still suggest driving them at =
varying speeds for the first few hundred miles.  If it was me, I'd try =
to take it out during the coming week and put a few miles on it. Of =
course, I tend to be a little fussy with cars=F0=9F=98=80 Mark L

In a message dated 7/20/2019 7:36:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, =

=20

A question for the gearheads out there:  My wife's new Grand Cherokee =
sits in the driveway this morning with a grand total of 85 miles on the =
odometer.  Next weekend there's a trip planned that involves several =
hours pounding the interstates.

=20

IIRC in the old days they told us to be gentle with new cars until the =
engine was "broken in", a few hundred miles or whatever.  With with the =
GC there isn't much mention of anything like this.

=20

So what do you think?  With today's oils and clever design, is there =
anything to worry about for the long term?

=20

Stu

Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers  =
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class=3DMsoNormal>Stu<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I agree with Mark.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Drive =
it around for the next week to get use to how it drives and sounds; also =
make sure all the systems are working properly.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
don=E2=80=99t think there is much to breaking in a new car these days or =
anything to worry about for that trip.=C2=A0=C2=A0 <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>You might =
want to check to see what the drive cycle is for the computer of that =
vehicle.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>When a Check engine light =
comes ON and the codes are cleared there is a drive cycle required for =
the computer to check all the sensors and monitors be =
happy.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I know on some GM vehicles that drive cycle can be =
around 100 miles, yours could be different but you may want to get =
around 200 miles on the vehicle before taking that trip.=C2=A0 =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>There should not be a problem with this new of a =
vehicle but I think knowing the drive cycle is a good thing to know with =
any computer controlled vehicle these days.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Have a safe =
and happy trip.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Ron =
Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Tigers =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>coolvt--- via =
Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, July 20, 2019 8:18 AM<br><b>To:</b> =
[email-masked]; [email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
[Tigers] Off topic: How to treat new cars<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>I =
think most of the owners' manuals still suggest driving them at varying =
speeds for the first few hundred miles.&nbsp; If it was me, I'd try to =
take it out during the coming week and put a few miles on it. Of course, =
I tend to be a little fussy with cars</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI =
Emoji",sans-serif;color:black'>&#128512;</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> =
Mark L<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>In a =
message dated 7/20/2019 7:36:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> writes: =
<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div =
id=3Dyiv4800659410><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>A question for the gearheads out there:&nbsp; =
My wife's new Grand Cherokee sits in the driveway this morning with a =
grand total of 85 miles on the odometer.&nbsp; Next weekend there's a =
trip planned that involves several hours pounding the =
interstates.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>IIRC in the old days =
they told us to be gentle with new cars until the engine was =
&quot;broken in&quot;, a few hundred miles or whatever.&nbsp; With with =
the GC there isn't much mention of anything like =
this.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>So what do you =
think?&nbsp; With today's oils and clever design, is there anything to =
worry about for the long term?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Stu<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p =
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From: Stu via Tigers <[email-masked]>
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I flipped through the owners manual and saw nothing about break in, plenty
on installing baby seats, though.   So it will get some easy mileage during
the week before hitting the road.  It's a lease, so it really only has to
last three years...

Thanks, guys.

Stu

On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 9:01 AM Ron Fraser <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Stu
>
>                 I agree with Mark.   Drive it around for the next week to
> get use to how it drives and sounds; also make sure all the systems are
> working properly.
>
>
>
> I don=E2=80=99t think there is much to breaking in a new car these days o=
r
> anything to worry about for that trip.
>
>
>
> You might want to check to see what the drive cycle is for the computer o=
f
> that vehicle.
>
> When a Check engine light comes ON and the codes are cleared there is a
> drive cycle required for the computer to check all the sensors and monito=
rs
> be happy.
>
>
>
> I know on some GM vehicles that drive cycle can be around 100 miles, your=
s
> could be different but you may want to get around 200 miles on the vehicl=
e
> before taking that trip.
>
>
>
> There should not be a problem with this new of a vehicle but I think
> knowing the drive cycle is a good thing to know with any computer
> *From:* Tigers <[email-masked]> *On Behalf Of *coolvt---
> via Tigers
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 20, 2019 8:18 AM
> *To:* [email-masked]; [email-masked]
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Off topic: How to treat new cars
>
>
>
> I think most of the owners' manuals still suggest driving them at varying
> speeds for the first few hundred miles.  If it was me, I'd try to take it
> out during the coming week and put a few miles on it. Of course, I tend t=
o
> be a little fussy with cars=F0=9F=98=80 Mark L
>
> In a message dated 7/20/2019 7:36:04 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> [email-masked] writes:
>
>
>
> A question for the gearheads out there:  My wife's new Grand Cherokee sit=
s
> in the driveway this morning with a grand total of 85 miles on the
> odometer.  Next weekend there's a trip planned that involves several hour=
s
> pounding the interstates.
>
>
>
> IIRC in the old days they told us to be gentle with new cars until the
> engine was "broken in", a few hundred miles or whatever.  With with the G=
C
> So what do you think?  With today's oils and clever design, is there
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">I f=
lipped through the owners manual and saw nothing about break in, plenty on =
installing baby seats, though.=C2=A0 =C2=A0So it will get some easy mileage=
 during the week before hitting the road.=C2=A0 It&#39;s a lease, so it rea=
lly only has to last three years...</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-s=
ize:small">Thanks, guys.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-si=
ze:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">=
Stu</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gma=
il_attr">On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 9:01 AM Ron Fraser &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:r=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquo=
te class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px =
solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US"><div class=3D"=
gmail-m_2881134954204543340WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Stu<u></u><=
u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I agree with Mark.=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 Drive it around for the next week to get use to how it drives and so=
unds; also make sure all the systems are working properly.<u></u><u></u></p=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I do=
n=E2=80=99t think there is much to breaking in a new car these days or anyt=
hing to worry about for that trip.=C2=A0=C2=A0 <u></u><u></u></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">You might wan=
t to check to see what the drive cycle is for the computer of that vehicle.=
<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">When a Check engine light comes ON=
 and the codes are cleared there is a drive cycle required for the computer=
 to check all the sensors and monitors be happy.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I know on som=
e GM vehicles that drive cycle can be around 100 miles, yours could be diff=
erent but you may want to get around 200 miles on the vehicle before taking=
 that trip.=C2=A0 <u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u>=
</u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">There should not be a problem with this new =
of a vehicle but I think knowing the drive cycle is a good thing to know wi=
th any computer controlled vehicle these days.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Have a safe and =
happy trip.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ron Fraser<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Tigers &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">tigers-bounc=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>coolvt--- via Tigers<br><b>Se=
nt:</b> Saturday, July 20, 2019 8:18 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:sab=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>; <a href=3D"mai=
lto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><br><=
b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Off topic: How to treat new cars<u></u><u></u><=
/p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;f=
ont-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black">I think most of the owners&#39; ma=
nuals still suggest driving them at varying speeds for the first few hundre=
d miles.=C2=A0 If it was me, I&#39;d try to take it out during the coming w=
eek and put a few miles on it. Of course, I tend to be a little fussy with =
cars</span><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI Emoji&q=
uot;,sans-serif;color:black">=F0=9F=98=80</span><span style=3D"font-size:12=
pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:black"> Mark L<u></u><u></u></span></=
p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">In a message dated 7/20/2019 7:36:04 A=
M Eastern Standard Time, <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D=
"_blank">[email-masked]</a> writes: <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div id=3D"gmail-m_28811349542=
04543340yiv4800659410"><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font=
-size:12pt">A question for the gearheads out there:=C2=A0 My wife&#39;s new=
 Grand Cherokee sits in the driveway this morning with a grand total of 85 =
miles on the odometer.=C2=A0 Next weekend there&#39;s a trip planned that i=
nvolves several hours pounding the interstates.<u></u><u></u></span></p></d=
iv><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt"><u></u>=C2=A0=
<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:12pt">IIRC in the old days they told us to be gentle with new cars until =
the engine was &quot;broken in&quot;, a few hundred miles or whatever.=C2=
=A0 With with the GC there isn&#39;t much mention of anything like this.<u>=
</u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font=
-size:12pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt">So what do you think?=C2=A0 With today&#39=
;s oils and clever design, is there anything to worry about for the long te=
rm?<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:12pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"M=
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From: "Dr. T. Y. McDowell via Tigers" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 11:25:34 -0400 (EDT)

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Hey Tigers,

I buy a new car every few years.  It's been a long time since any required =
or even advised the old break-in period (fast starts, hard breaking, drivin=
g over a certain rpm, etc).  The oil is infinitely better, and more importa=
ntly, the Japanese taught the American auto industry to get their machining=
 tolerances down!

My $.02

Tym McDowell

=20

> On July 20, 2019 at 9:01 AM Ron Fraser via Tigers <[email-masked]>=
 wrote:
>=20
>=20
>     Stu
>=20
>                     I agree with Mark.   Drive it around for the next wee=
k to get use to how it drives and sounds; also make sure all the systems ar=
e working properly.
>=20
>     =20
>=20
>     I don=E2=80=99t think there is much to breaking in a new car these da=
ys or anything to worry about for that trip. =20
>=20
>     =20
>=20
>     You might want to check to see what the drive cycle is for the comput=
er of that vehicle.
>=20
>     When a Check engine light comes ON and the codes are cleared there is=
 a drive cycle required for the computer to check all the sensors and monit=
ors be happy.
>     I know on some GM vehicles that drive cycle can be around 100 miles, =
yours could be different but you may want to get around 200 miles on the ve=
hicle before taking that trip.=20
>     There should not be a problem with this new of a vehicle but I think =
knowing the drive cycle is a good thing to know with any computer controlle=
d vehicle these days.
>     From: Tigers <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of coolvt--- v=
ia Tigers
>     I think most of the owners' manuals still suggest driving them at var=
ying speeds for the first few hundred miles.  If it was me, I'd try to take=
 it out during the coming week and put a few miles on it. Of course, I tend=
 to be a little fussy with cars=F0=9F=98=80 Mark L
>=20
>     In a message dated 7/20/2019 7:36:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, tigers=
@autox.team.net mailto:[email-masked] writes:
>=20
>     =20
>=20
>     A question for the gearheads out there:  My wife's new Grand Cherokee=
 sits in the driveway this morning with a grand total of 85 miles on the od=
ometer.  Next weekend there's a trip planned that involves several hours po=
unding the interstates.
>=20
>     =20
>=20
>     IIRC in the old days they told us to be gentle with new cars until th=
e engine was "broken in", a few hundred miles or whatever.  With with the G=
C there isn't much mention of anything like this.
>     [email-masked] mailto:[email-masked]
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    <meta charset=3D"UTF-8">
</head><body><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sa=
ns-serif; color: #333333;">Hey Tigers,</p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font=
-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; color: #333333;"><br></p><p style=3D=
"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; color: #333333=
;">I buy a new car every few years.&#160; It&#39;s been a long time since a=
ny required or even advised the old break-in period (fast starts, hard brea=
king, driving over a certain rpm, etc).&#160; The oil is infinitely better,=
 and more importantly, the Japanese taught the American auto industry to ge=
t their machining tolerances down!</p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-fam=
ily: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; color: #333333;">My $.02</p><p style=3D"=
font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; color: #333333;=
"><br></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-=
serif; color: #333333;">Tym McDowell</p><p class=3D"io-ox-signature">&#160;=
<br></p><blockquote type=3D"cite">On July 20, 2019 at 9:01 AM Ron Fraser vi=
a Tigers &#60;[email-masked]&#62; wrote: <br> <br><div class=3D"ox-8=
4aa725c8d-WordSection1"><p class=3D"ox-84aa725c8d-MsoNormal">Stu</p><p clas=
s=3D"ox-84aa725c8d-MsoNormal">&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#1=
60;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; I agree with Mark.&#160;&#160=
; Drive it around for the next week to get use to how it drives and sounds;=
 also make sure all the systems are working properly.</p><p class=3D"ox-84a=
a725c8d-MsoNormal">&#160;</p><p class=3D"ox-84aa725c8d-MsoNormal">I don&#82=
17;t think there is much to breaking in a new car these days or anything to=
 worry about for that trip.&#160;&#160;</p><p class=3D"ox-84aa725c8d-MsoNor=
mal">&#160;</p><p class=3D"ox-84aa725c8d-MsoNormal">You might want to check=
 to see what the drive cycle is for the computer of that vehicle.</p><p cla=
ss=3D"ox-84aa725c8d-MsoNormal">When a Check engine light comes ON and the c=
odes are cleared there is a drive cycle required for the computer to check =
all the sensors and monitors be happy.</p><p class=3D"ox-84aa725c8d-MsoNorm=
al">&#160;</p><p class=3D"ox-84aa725c8d-MsoNormal">I know on some GM vehicl=
es that drive cycle can be around 100 miles, yours could be different but y=
ou may want to get around 200 miles on the vehicle before taking that trip.=
&#160;</p><p class=3D"ox-84aa725c8d-MsoNormal">&#160;</p><p class=3D"ox-84a=
a725c8d-MsoNormal">There should not be a problem with this new of a vehicle=
 but I think knowing the drive cycle is a good thing to know with any compu=
ter controlled vehicle these days.</p><p class=3D"ox-84aa725c8d-MsoNormal">=
&#160;</p><p class=3D"ox-84aa725c8d-MsoNormal">Have a safe and happy trip.<=
/p><p class=3D"ox-84aa725c8d-MsoNormal">&#160;</p><p class=3D"ox-84aa725c8d=
-MsoNormal">Ron Fraser</p><p class=3D"ox-84aa725c8d-MsoNormal">&#160;</p><p=
 class=3D"ox-84aa725c8d-MsoNormal"><strong>From:</strong> Tigers &#60;tiger=
[email-masked]&#62; <strong>On Behalf Of </strong>coolvt--- via T=
igers<br><strong>Sent:</strong> Saturday, July 20, 2019 8:18 AM<br><strong>=
To:</strong> [email-masked]; [email-masked]<br><strong>Subject:=
</strong> Re: [Tigers] Off topic: How to treat new cars</p><p class=3D"ox-8=
4aa725c8d-MsoNormal">&#160;</p><div><div><div><p class=3D"ox-84aa725c8d-Mso=
Normal" style=3D"margin-bottom: 12.0pt;"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; =
font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;">I think most of the owners&=
#39; manuals still suggest driving them at varying speeds for the first few=
 hundred miles.&#160; If it was me, I&#39;d try to take it out during the c=
oming week and put a few miles on it. Of course, I tend to be a little fuss=
y with cars</span><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Segoe UI =
Emoji',sans-serif; color: black;">=F0=9F=98=80</span><span style=3D"font-si=
ze: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Arial',sans-serif; color: black;"> Mark L </span>=
</p></div></div><p class=3D"ox-84aa725c8d-MsoNormal">In a message dated 7/2=
0/2019 7:36:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
m.net">[email-masked]</a> writes:</p><div><p class=3D"ox-84aa725c8d-=
MsoNormal">&#160;</p></div><div><div><p class=3D"ox-84aa725c8d-MsoNormal"><=
span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt;">A question for the gearheads out there:&#=
160; My wife&#39;s new Grand Cherokee sits in the driveway this morning wit=
h a grand total of 85 miles on the odometer.&#160; Next weekend there&#39;s=
 a trip planned that involves several hours pounding the interstates. </spa=
n></p></div><div><p class=3D"ox-84aa725c8d-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-s=
ize: 12.0pt;"> &#160; </span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ox-84aa725c8d-MsoNo=
rmal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt;">IIRC in the old days they told us =
to be gentle with new cars until the engine was &#34;broken in&#34;, a few =
hundred miles or whatever.&#160; With with the GC there isn&#39;t much ment=
ion of anything like this. </span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ox-84aa725c8d-=
MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt;"> &#160; </span></p></div><div=
><p class=3D"ox-84aa725c8d-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt;">So=
 what do you think?&#160; With today&#39;s oils and clever design, is there=
 anything to worry about for the long term? </span></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"ox-84aa725c8d-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt;"> &#160; </s=
pan></p></div><div><p class=3D"ox-84aa725c8d-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font=
-size: 12.0pt;">Stu </span></p></div></div><p class=3D"ox-84aa725c8d-MsoNor=
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No smokey burnouts or drag racing for the first 2500 miles! Seriously =
though, new cars really don=E2=80=99t need breaking in. Have a great and =
safe trip.
JB

> On Jul 20, 2019, at 8:25 AM, Dr. T. Y. McDowell via Tigers =
<[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> Hey Tigers,
>=20
>=20
>=20
> I buy a new car every few years.  It's been a long time since any =
required or even advised the old break-in period (fast starts, hard =
breaking, driving over a certain rpm, etc).  The oil is infinitely =
better, and more importantly, the Japanese taught the American auto =
industry to get their machining tolerances down!
>=20
> My $.02
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Tym McDowell
>=20
> =20
>=20
>> On July 20, 2019 at 9:01 AM Ron Fraser via Tigers =
<[email-masked]> wrote:=20
>>=20
>> Stu
>>=20
>>                 I agree with Mark.   Drive it around for the next =
week to get use to how it drives and sounds; also make sure all the =
systems are working properly.
>>=20
>> =20
>> I don=E2=80=99t think there is much to breaking in a new car these =
days or anything to worry about for that trip. =20
>>=20
>> =20
>> You might want to check to see what the drive cycle is for the =
computer of that vehicle.
>>=20
>> When a Check engine light comes ON and the codes are cleared there is =
a drive cycle required for the computer to check all the sensors and =
monitors be happy.
yours could be different but you may want to get around 200 miles on the =
vehicle before taking that trip.=20
>> From: Tigers <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of coolvt--- =
via Tigers
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sits in the driveway this morning with a grand total of 85 miles on the =
odometer.  Next weekend there's a trip planned that involves several =
hours pounding the interstates.=20
>>=20
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>> IIRC in the old days they told us to be gentle with new cars until =
the engine was "broken in", a few hundred miles or whatever.  With with =
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charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D""><font=
 size=3D"4" class=3D"">No smokey burnouts or drag racing for the first =
2500 miles! Seriously though, new cars really don=E2=80=99t need =
breaking in. Have a great and safe trip.</font><div class=3D""><font =
size=3D"4" class=3D"">JB<br class=3D""></font><div><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Jul =
20, 2019, at 8:25 AM, Dr. T. Y. McDowell via Tigers &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><p =
style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
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text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: =
auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);" =
class=3D"">Hey Tigers,</p><p style=3D"font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);" class=3D""><br class=3D""></p><p =
style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: =
auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);" =
class=3D"">I buy a new car every few years.&nbsp; It's been a long time =
since any required or even advised the old break-in period (fast starts, =
hard breaking, driving over a certain rpm, etc).&nbsp; The oil is =
infinitely better, and more importantly, the Japanese taught the =
American auto industry to get their machining tolerances down!</p><p =
style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: =
auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);" =
class=3D"">My $.02</p><p style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);" =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></p><p style=3D"font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none; font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);" class=3D"">Tym McDowell</p><p =
class=3D"io-ox-signature" style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;">&nbsp;<br class=3D""></p><blockquote type=3D"cite"=
 style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D"">On July 20, 2019 at 9:01 AM Ron =
Fraser via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><div class=3D"ox-84aa725c8d-WordSection1"><p =
class=3D"ox-84aa725c8d-MsoNormal">Stu</p><p =
class=3D"ox-84aa725c8d-MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I agree with =
Mark.&nbsp;&nbsp; Drive it around for the next week to get use to how it =
drives and sounds; also make sure all the systems are working =
properly.</p><div class=3D"">&nbsp;<br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p =
class=3D"ox-84aa725c8d-MsoNormal">I don=E2=80=99t think there is much to =
breaking in a new car these days or anything to worry about for that =
trip.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p><div class=3D"">&nbsp;<br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p =
class=3D"ox-84aa725c8d-MsoNormal">You might want to check to see what =
the drive cycle is for the computer of that vehicle.</p><p =
class=3D"ox-84aa725c8d-MsoNormal">When a Check engine light comes ON and =
the codes are cleared there is a drive cycle required for the computer =
to check all the sensors and monitors be happy.</p><div =
class=3D"">&nbsp;<br class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p =
class=3D"ox-84aa725c8d-MsoNormal">I know on some GM vehicles that drive =
cycle can be around 100 miles, yours could be different but you may want =
to get around 200 miles on the vehicle before taking that =
trip.&nbsp;</p><div class=3D"">&nbsp;<br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p =
class=3D"ox-84aa725c8d-MsoNormal">There should not be a problem with =
this new of a vehicle but I think knowing the drive cycle is a good =
thing to know with any computer controlled vehicle these days.</p><div =
class=3D"">&nbsp;<br class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p =
class=3D"ox-84aa725c8d-MsoNormal">Have a safe and happy trip.</p><div =
class=3D"">&nbsp;<br class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p =
class=3D"ox-84aa725c8d-MsoNormal">Ron Fraser</p><div class=3D"">&nbsp;<br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p =
class=3D"ox-84aa725c8d-MsoNormal"><strong class=3D"">From:</strong><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Tigers &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><strong class=3D"">On =
Behalf Of<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></strong>coolvt--- via =
Tigers<br class=3D""><strong class=3D"">Sent:</strong><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Saturday, July 20, 2019 =
8:18 AM<br class=3D""><strong class=3D"">To:</strong><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>; =
<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a><br class=3D""><strong =
class=3D"">Subject:</strong><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [Tigers] Off topic: How =
to treat new cars</p><div class=3D"">&nbsp;<br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><p class=3D"ox-84aa725c8d-MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin-bottom: 12pt;"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=3D"">I think most of the owners' =
manuals still suggest driving them at varying speeds for the first few =
hundred miles.&nbsp; If it was me, I'd try to take it out during the =
coming week and put a few miles on it. Of course, I tend to be a little =
fussy with cars</span><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
&quot;Segoe UI Emoji&quot;, sans-serif;" class=3D"">=F0=9F=98=80</span><sp=
an style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Mark =
L<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3D"ox-84aa725c8d-MsoNormal">In a message dated 7/20/2019 7:36:04 =
AM Eastern Standard Time,<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>writes:</p><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">&nbsp;<br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><p class=3D"ox-84aa725c8d-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: =
12pt;" class=3D"">A question for the gearheads out there:&nbsp; My =
wife's new Grand Cherokee sits in the driveway this morning with a grand =
total of 85 miles on the odometer.&nbsp; Next weekend there's a trip =
planned that involves several hours pounding the interstates.<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span></p></div><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span><br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"ox-84aa725c8d-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;" =
class=3D"">IIRC in the old days they told us to be gentle with new cars =
until the engine was "broken in", a few hundred miles or whatever.&nbsp; =
With with the GC there isn't much mention of anything like this.<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span></p></div><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span><br =
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design, is there anything to worry about for the long term?<span =
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