Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 11, Issue 181

From: Joel Martin via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 19:24:58 +0000 (UTC)

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All

Thanks for the responses.=C2=A0 I am personally PLEASED with the changes th=
at I have made.=C2=A0 16 minutes at idle to reach 200 degrees or 11 minutes=
 to go from 174 when running to 200 degrees, I think is pretty good, at lea=
st based on my previous experience with idle temps rising.=C2=A0 This allow=
s me to drive the car in most any and all conditions.=C2=A0=20

I guess from the responses you all do not think so - maybe I am missing som=
ething - would not be the first time.=C2=A0 I do live out in the country wi=
th around only 90K people in the county so not much city driving.
The water pump upgrade was made more for reducing possible air cavitation o=
r pockets of air than the higher flow of water.

No restrictor in upper hose at this point - tried in the past and removed i=
t - did not seem to make a difference.
Running 50/50 green antifreeze and 16 psi cap.=C2=A0=20

Joel
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=C2=A0 1. Re:=C2=A0 Tiger Overheating ? Shotgun Approach (Tom Witt)
I know this has been a long running problem for you. And as time moves on I=
can=E2=80=99t remember what has or hasn=E2=80=99t been said. Aside from the=
 obvious (cloggedradiator/engine, blades eroded off water pumps, air pocket=
s etc.) there havebeen other causes of high temperature readings:=C2=A01. T=
here might not actually be a problem with the cooling. Rather the voltage r=
egulator for the temp gauge may be defective and causing a higher thanactua=
l reading.=C2=A02. The lower radiator hose collapses. This typically happen=
s as the rpm=E2=80=99sincrease (so not an =E2=80=9Cat idle=E2=80=9D issue) =
the lower hose sucks in and pinches flow. Astainless steel spring set inter=
nal to the hose (many source this from a lawnsprinkler) prevents the collap=
se.=C2=A0The blocking plates and other means of preventing hot air recircul=
ation arehelpful.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve seen a flat sheet of aluminum between =
the lower section ofthe grill area and the radiator.=C2=A0 My understanding=
 of the air dam is thatit is more effective at speed. I was told it generat=
es a negative air pressureto draw air from the engine compartment.=C2=A0 I =
truly believe a shroud would bevery helpful. Otherwise to some extent you a=
re simply churning hot air alreadyunder the hood. A well fitting shroud wou=
ld ensure air is drawn externally. Asnoted others have found an electric pu=
sher fan helpful.=C2=A0In this day and age of the GoPro camera I think it w=
ould be interesting toto do the old school yarn application and observe wha=
t is actually going onunder the hood, under the car, and the external areas=
 such as the horn openingsand proposed air dam areas etc. A few well placed=
 homemade man-o-meters might beinformative too.=C2=A0Then there are the arg=
uments as to whether a high flow water pump pulls hotcoolant out of the eng=
ine faster (good) or pushes it too fast through theradiator (bad). Is coola=
nt good because it raises the boiling point, or badbecause it is less effic=
ient than straight water.=C2=A0 There are the peoplewith a stock cooling sy=
stem (and sometimes performance enhancements to the engine) that claim they=
 never have a heat issue in a hot climate and those incooler climates that =
have stock engines and every cooling enhancement known toTigerdom and they =
constantly have issues.=C2=A0In the end I hope you are successful and enjoy=
 a the summer driving yournow running cool Tiger.=C2=A0From: Joel Martin vi=
a Tigers Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 9:04 AMTo: Tiger List Serve Subject: =
[Tigers] Tiger Overheating =E2=80=93 ShotgunApproach=C2=A0After about a yea=
r of struggling with overheating at idle with the hooddown, I took drastic =
steps.=C2=A0 I have been driving the car during the last year only on back =
roads with no chance of traffic lights.
=C2=A0
  =20
   - Purchased and installed SS gloss black radiator overflow tank.=20
   - Purchased and installed overflow tank straps from Alexander Washick=C2=
=[email-masked] which are powder coated.=20
   - Purchased and installed undersize water pump pulley from Robert Stragh=
an <[email-masked]> scuffed, primed and painted semi gloss black=20
   - Purchased and installed horn hole block plates from Don Lutjen <dlutje=
[email-masked]> scuffed, primed and painted semi gloss black.=20
   - Purchased and installed new taller Tiger aluminum cross flow side tank=
 radiator from Griffin Radiator.=20
   - Purchased and installed new Flow Kooler water pump BRA-1680 painted Fo=
rd dark blue to match engine replacing SS water pump, pressed hub to line u=
p.=20
   - Modified the mechanical fan spacer so that front of fan is 1=E2=80=9D =
from radiator.=20
   - Mechanical fan remains Flex-a-lite 14=E2=80=9D nylon 6 blade fan.=20
   - Purchased and installed new SS lower radiator and overflow to radiator=
 hoses.=20
   - New top radiator hose from local source as SS hose would not fit talle=
r radiator.=20
   - New fan belt.=20
   - Purchased and refurbished original Tiger fan shroud which would not fi=
t as I did not want to cut a original shroud top mounting bracket to fit my=
 taller radiator.=C2=A0 Stripped, primed and painted used shroud semi gloss=
 black =E2=80=93 sitting on shelf.=20
   - Installed 160 degree thermostat.

So at this pointI do not have a fan shroud =E2=80=93 unless make up a custo=
m.=C2=A0 Otherchanges could make is front air dam and block front cross mem=
ber to bottom ofradiator spacing but for now I am going to see how things p=
lay out thissummer.

Results asfollows:

Cold start with86 degree ambient outside temperature =E2=80=93 at idle with=
 hood closed, car insun.

5 Minutes enginetemperature 174 degrees.

9 Minutes enginetemperature 180 degrees.

12 Minutesengine temperature 190 degrees.

14 Minutesengine temperature 195 degrees.

16 Minutesengine temperature 200 degrees.

Run the motor at1500 rpm=E2=80=99s for 1minute temperature drops to 196 deg=
rees.

Run the motor at2000 rpm=E2=80=99s for another 1minute temperature drops to=
 194 degrees.

Turn motor offand in a total of 27 minutes from startup - heat soak is 208 =
degrees.

All this isrecorded from temporary mechanical temperature gauge located und=
erdash.

The cartemperature at any speed is at 174 degrees regardless of the outside=
 ambienttemperature from 50=E2=80=99s to mid 90=E2=80=99s.

Whew, maybe atlast can enjoy car with a couple of things still outstanding =
to be able to driveit out of town for any distance.=C2=A0 The Tiger=E2=80=
=99s first majorouting was at the Sandhills Motoring Festival held in Pineh=
urst NC last month inMay =E2=80=93 you can get a glimpse of the cars at:=C2=
=A0 https://www.thepilot.com/gallery/concours-in-the-village/collection_d49=
fdacc-8091-11e9-86df-2b8021a08259.html=C2=A0You might have to copy and past=
e link into your browser.

Thank you allfor putting up with all my inane questions and comments over t=
he years.=C2=A0 Iam sure there will be more.

Regards

JoelMartin

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<html><head></head><body><div class=3D"ydp3a600384yahoo-style-wrap" style=
=3D"font-family:garamond, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;"><div>All<=
br><div><br><div><div><div>Thanks for the responses.&nbsp; I am personally =
PLEASED with the changes that I have made.&nbsp; 16 minutes at idle to reac=
h 200 degrees or 11 minutes to go from 174 when running to 200 degrees, I t=
hink is pretty good, at least based on my previous experience with idle tem=
ps rising.&nbsp; This allows me to drive the car in most any and all condit=
ions.&nbsp; <br><div><br>I guess from the responses you all do not think so=
 - maybe I am missing something - would not be the first time.&nbsp; I do l=
ive out in the country with around only 90K people in the county so not muc=
h city driving.</div></div><div><br><div>The water pump upgrade was made mo=
re for reducing possible air cavitation or pockets of air than the higher f=
low of water.<br><div><br><div>No restrictor in upper hose at this point - =
tried in the past and removed it - did not seem to make a difference.<br>Ru=
nning 50/50 green antifreeze and 16 psi cap.&nbsp; <br></div></div></div></=
div></div><div><br>Joel<br></div></div></div></div><div></div>
        <div><br></div><div><br></div>
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f Tigers digest..."<br></div>Today's Topics:<br><br>&nbsp;  1. Re:&nbsp; Ti=
ger Overheating ? Shotgun Approach (Tom Witt)<br><div id=3D"ydp2605580cymsg=
84374" class=3D"ydp2605580cymsg9944149083"><div id=3D"ydp2605580cyiv7361261=
624">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri';COLOR:#000000;">
<div>I know this has been a long running problem for you. And as time moves=
 on I
can=E2=80=99t remember what has or hasn=E2=80=99t been said. Aside from the=
 obvious (clogged
radiator/engine, blades eroded off water pumps, air pockets etc.) there hav=
e
been other causes of high temperature readings:</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>1. There might not actually be a problem with the cooling. Rather the=
=20
voltage regulator for the temp gauge may be defective and causing a higher =
than
actual reading.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>2. The lower radiator hose collapses. This typically happens as the rp=
m=E2=80=99s
increase (so not an =E2=80=9Cat idle=E2=80=9D issue) the lower hose sucks i=
n and pinches flow. A
stainless steel spring set internal to the hose (many source this from a la=
wn
sprinkler) prevents the collapse.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>The blocking plates and other means of preventing hot air recirculatio=
n are
helpful.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99ve seen a flat sheet of aluminum between the lower=
 section of
the grill area and the radiator.&nbsp; My understanding of the air dam is t=
hat
it is more effective at speed. I was told it generates a negative air press=
ure
to draw air from the engine compartment.&nbsp; I truly believe a shroud wou=
ld be
very helpful. Otherwise to some extent you are simply churning hot air alre=
ady
under the hood. A well fitting shroud would ensure air is drawn externally.=
 As
noted others have found an electric pusher fan helpful.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>In this day and age of the GoPro camera I think it would be interestin=
g to
to do the old school yarn application and observe what is actually going on
under the hood, under the car, and the external areas such as the horn open=
ings
and proposed air dam areas etc. A few well placed homemade man-o-meters mig=
ht be
informative too.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Then there are the arguments as to whether a high flow water pump pull=
s hot
coolant out of the engine faster (good) or pushes it too fast through the
radiator (bad). Is coolant good because it raises the boiling point, or bad
because it is less efficient than straight water.&nbsp; There are the peopl=
e
with a stock cooling system (and sometimes performance enhancements to the=
=20
engine) that claim they never have a heat issue in a hot climate and those =
in
cooler climates that have stock engines and every cooling enhancement known=
 to
Tigerdom and they constantly have issues.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>In the end I hope you are successful and enjoy a the summer driving yo=
ur
now running cool Tiger.</div>
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-WEIGHT:normal;COLOR:#000000;FONT-STYLE:normal;DISPLAY:inline;">
<div style=3D"font-family: tahoma; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal;=
 font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch=
: normal;">
<div><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Calibri"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); background-image: none;=
 background-repeat: repeat; background-attachment: scroll; background-size:=
 auto auto;">
<div><b>From:</b> <a title=3D"[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:tigers@=
autox.team.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">Joel Martin via Tigers</=
a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 18, 2019 9:04 AM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:tigers@au=
tox.team.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">Tiger List Serve</a> </div=
<div><b>Subject:</b> [Tigers] Tiger Overheating =E2=80=93 Shotgun
Approach</div></div></div>
<div>&nbsp;</div></div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:small;TEXT-DECORATION:none;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri;FONT=
-WEIGHT:normal;COLOR:#000000;FONT-STYLE:normal;DISPLAY:inline;">
<div class=3D"ydp2605580cyiv7361261624yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"FONT-SIZE:=
16px;FONT-FAMILY:garamond, new york, times, serif;">
<div>
<div>After about a year of struggling with overheating at idle with the hoo=
d
down, I took drastic steps.<span>&nbsp; </span>I have been driving the car=
=20
during the last year only on back roads with no chance of traffic lights.
<p class=3D"ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<ol style=3D"LIST-STYLE-POSITION:inside;MARGIN-TOP:0in;list-style-position:=
 inside;list-style-position: inside;list-style-position: inside;list-style-=
position: inside" type=3D"1">
  <li class=3D"ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal">Purchased and =
installed SS gloss black radiator
  overflow tank.
  </li><li class=3D"ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal">Purchased=
 and installed overflow tank straps
  from <span class=3D"ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0dfrtlirtlidzssg">A=
lexander Washick</span><span class=3D"ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0un=
cz1vrpvf">&nbsp;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" targe=
t=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a> which are powder
  coated.</span>
  </li><li class=3D"ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span cla=
ss=3D"ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Purchased and
  installed undersize water pump pulley from </span><span class=3D"ydp26055=
80cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0dfrtlirtlidzssg">Robert Straghan</span><span cla=
ss=3D"ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf"> &lt;rgstraghan@yahoo.=
ca&gt; scuffed, primed and
  painted semi gloss black</span>
  </li><li class=3D"ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span cla=
ss=3D"ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Purchased and
  installed horn hole block plates from </span><span class=3D"ydp2605580cyi=
v7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0dfrtlirtlidzssg">Don Lutjen</span><span class=3D"ydp2=
605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf"> &lt;[email-masked]&gt; scu=
ffed, primed and
  painted semi gloss black.</span>
  </li><li class=3D"ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span cla=
ss=3D"ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Purchased and
  installed new taller Tiger aluminum cross flow side tank radiator from Gr=
iffin
  Radiator.</span>
  </li><li class=3D"ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span cla=
ss=3D"ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Purchased and
  installed new Flow Kooler water pump BRA-1680 painted Ford dark blue to m=
atch
  engine replacing SS water pump, pressed hub to line up.</span>
  </li><li class=3D"ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span cla=
ss=3D"ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Modified the
  mechanical fan spacer so that front of fan is 1=E2=80=9D from radiator.</=
span>
  </li><li class=3D"ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span cla=
ss=3D"ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Mechanical
  fan remains Flex-a-lite 14=E2=80=9D nylon 6 blade fan.</span>
  </li><li class=3D"ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span cla=
ss=3D"ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Purchased and
  installed new SS lower radiator and overflow to radiator hoses.</span>
  </li><li class=3D"ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span cla=
ss=3D"ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">New top
  radiator hose from local source as SS hose would not fit taller
  radiator.</span>
  </li><li class=3D"ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span cla=
ss=3D"ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">New fan
  belt.</span>
  </li><li class=3D"ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span cla=
ss=3D"ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Purchased and
  refurbished original Tiger fan shroud which would not fit as I did not wa=
nt to
  cut a original shroud top mounting bracket to fit my taller
  radiator.<span>&nbsp; </span>Stripped, primed and painted used shroud sem=
i
  gloss black =E2=80=93 sitting on shelf.</span>
  </li><li class=3D"ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span cla=
ss=3D"ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Installed 160
  degree thermostat.</span></li></ol>
<p class=3D"ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yd=
p2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">So at this point
I do not have a fan shroud =E2=80=93 unless make up a custom.<span>&nbsp; <=
/span>Other
changes could make is front air dam and block front cross member to bottom =
of
radiator spacing but for now I am going to see how things play out this
summer.</span></p>
<p class=3D"ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yd=
p2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Results as
follows:</span></p>
<p class=3D"ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yd=
p2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Cold start with
86 degree ambient outside temperature =E2=80=93 at idle with hood closed, c=
ar in
sun.</span></p>
<p class=3D"ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yd=
p2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">5 Minutes engine
temperature 174 degrees.</span></p>
<p class=3D"ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yd=
p2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">9 Minutes engine
temperature 180 degrees.</span></p>
<p class=3D"ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yd=
p2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">12 Minutes
engine temperature 190 degrees.</span></p>
<p class=3D"ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yd=
p2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">14 Minutes
engine temperature 195 degrees.</span></p>
<p class=3D"ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yd=
p2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">16 Minutes
engine temperature 200 degrees.</span></p>
<p class=3D"ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yd=
p2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Run the motor at
1500 rpm=E2=80=99s for 1minute temperature drops to 196 degrees.</span></p>
<p class=3D"ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yd=
p2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Run the motor at
2000 rpm=E2=80=99s for another 1minute temperature drops to 194 degrees.</s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yd=
p2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Turn motor off
and in a total of 27 minutes from startup - heat soak is 208 degrees.</span=
></p>
<p class=3D"ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yd=
p2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">All this is
recorded from temporary mechanical temperature gauge located under
dash.</span></p>
<p class=3D"ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yd=
p2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">The car
temperature at any speed is at 174 degrees regardless of the outside ambien=
t
temperature from 50=E2=80=99s to mid 90=E2=80=99s.</span></p>
<p class=3D"ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yd=
p2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Whew, maybe at
last can enjoy car with a couple of things still outstanding to be able to =
drive
it out of town for any distance.<span>&nbsp; </span>The Tiger=E2=80=99s fir=
st major
outing was at the Sandhills Motoring Festival held in Pinehurst NC last mon=
th in
May =E2=80=93 you can get a glimpse of the cars at:<span>&nbsp; </span><a h=
ref=3D"https://www.thepilot.com/gallery/concours-in-the-village/collection_=
d49fdacc-8091-11e9-86df-2b8021a08259.html" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blan=
k">https://www.thepilot.com/gallery/concours-in-the-village/collection_d49f=
dacc-8091-11e9-86df-2b8021a08259.html</a><span>&nbsp;
</span>You might have to copy and paste link into your browser.</span></p>
<p class=3D"ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yd=
p2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Thank you all
for putting up with all my inane questions and comments over the years.&nbs=
p; I
am sure there will be more.<br></span></p>
<p class=3D"ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yd=
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Hi Joel;

congratulations on getting your Tiger to run cool!

I, like many other Tiger owners, have tramped down this overheating path
for many years, and most of us have found the solution more or less in the
same way you have done.

In my personal search for Tiger temperature nirvana, I came across this
very interesting article regarding 160F Thermostats.
You might want to re-consider your choice of thermostats.  [email-masked]=
M

In another specialty car I run regularly, I had a similar problem, and
corrected it in a similar manner.  However, on this car I installed an oil
pan temperature gauge, and found it very difficult to get the engine oil up
beyond 180F. which I have not been able to remedy. The water temperature is
very steady on this vehicle at 195F, regardless of the load on the
engine.No way is the engine oil ever going to reach 220 deg to boil off the
H20 condensate in the crank case. Not sure what to do about this, besides
changing the oil very frequently.

Just some interesting info, FWIW.

Cheers,

Dave Munroe B382000450LRXFE

On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 at 16:25, Joel Martin via Tigers <[email-masked]=
wrote:

> All
>
> Thanks for the responses.  I am personally PLEASED with the changes that =
I
> have made.  16 minutes at idle to reach 200 degrees or 11 minutes to go
> from 174 when running to 200 degrees, I think is pretty good, at least
> based on my previous experience with idle temps rising.  This allows me t=
o
> drive the car in most any and all conditions.
>
> I guess from the responses you all do not think so - maybe I am missing
> something - would not be the first time.  I do live out in the country wi=
th
> around only 90K people in the county so not much city driving.
>
> The water pump upgrade was made more for reducing possible air cavitation
> or pockets of air than the higher flow of water.
>
> No restrictor in upper hose at this point - tried in the past and removed
> it - did not seem to make a difference.
> Running 50/50 green antifreeze and 16 psi cap.
>
> Joel
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 18, 2019, 2:01:11 PM EDT, [email-masked] =
<
> [email-masked]> wrote:
>
>
>     [email-masked]
>
>     [email-masked]
>
>   1. Re:  Tiger Overheating ? Shotgun Approach (Tom Witt)
> I know this has been a long running problem for you. And as time moves on
> I can=E2=80=99t remember what has or hasn=E2=80=99t been said. Aside from=
 the obvious
> (clogged radiator/engine, blades eroded off water pumps, air pockets etc.=
)
> there have been other causes of high temperature readings:
>
> 1. There might not actually be a problem with the cooling. Rather the
> voltage regulator for the temp gauge may be defective and causing a highe=
r
> than actual reading.
>
> 2. The lower radiator hose collapses. This typically happens as the rpm=
=E2=80=99s
> increase (so not an =E2=80=9Cat idle=E2=80=9D issue) the lower hose sucks=
 in and pinches
> flow. A stainless steel spring set internal to the hose (many source this
> from a lawn sprinkler) prevents the collapse.
>
> The blocking plates and other means of preventing hot air recirculation
> are helpful.  I=E2=80=99ve seen a flat sheet of aluminum between the lowe=
r section
> of the grill area and the radiator.  My understanding of the air dam is
> that it is more effective at speed. I was told it generates a negative ai=
r
> pressure to draw air from the engine compartment.  I truly believe a shro=
ud
> would be very helpful. Otherwise to some extent you are simply churning h=
ot
> air already under the hood. A well fitting shroud would ensure air is dra=
wn
> externally. As noted others have found an electric pusher fan helpful.
>
> In this day and age of the GoPro camera I think it would be interesting t=
o
> to do the old school yarn application and observe what is actually going =
on
> under the hood, under the car, and the external areas such as the horn
> openings and proposed air dam areas etc. A few well placed homemade
> man-o-meters might be informative too.
>
> Then there are the arguments as to whether a high flow water pump pulls
> hot coolant out of the engine faster (good) or pushes it too fast through
> the radiator (bad). Is coolant good because it raises the boiling point, =
or
> bad because it is less efficient than straight water.  There are the peop=
le
> with a stock cooling system (and sometimes performance enhancements to th=
e
> engine) that claim they never have a heat issue in a hot climate and thos=
e
> in cooler climates that have stock engines and every cooling enhancement
> known to Tigerdom and they constantly have issues.
>
> In the end I hope you are successful and enjoy a the summer driving your
> now running cool Tiger.
>
> *From:* Joel Martin via Tigers <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 18, 2019 9:04 AM
> *To:* Tiger List Serve <[email-masked]>
> *Subject:* [Tigers] Tiger Overheating =E2=80=93 Shotgun Approach
>
> After about a year of struggling with overheating at idle with the hood
> down, I took drastic steps.  I have been driving the car during the last
> year only on back roads with no chance of traffic lights.
>
>
>
>    1. Purchased and installed SS gloss black radiator overflow tank.
>    2. Purchased and installed overflow tank straps from Alexander Washick
>    [email-masked] which are powder coated.
>    3. Purchased and installed undersize water pump pulley from Robert
>    Straghan <[email-masked]> scuffed, primed and painted semi gloss
>    black
>    4. Purchased and installed horn hole block plates from Don Lutjen <
>    [email-masked]> scuffed, primed and painted semi gloss black.
>    5. Purchased and installed new taller Tiger aluminum cross flow side
>    tank radiator from Griffin Radiator.
>    6. Purchased and installed new Flow Kooler water pump BRA-1680 painted
>    Ford dark blue to match engine replacing SS water pump, pressed hub to=
 line
>    up.
>    7. Modified the mechanical fan spacer so that front of fan is 1=E2=80=
=9D from
>    radiator.
>    8. Mechanical fan remains Flex-a-lite 14=E2=80=9D nylon 6 blade fan.
>    9. Purchased and installed new SS lower radiator and overflow to
>    radiator hoses.
>    10. New top radiator hose from local source as SS hose would not fit
>    taller radiator.
>    11. New fan belt.
>    12. Purchased and refurbished original Tiger fan shroud which would
>    not fit as I did not want to cut a original shroud top mounting bracke=
t to
>    fit my taller radiator.  Stripped, primed and painted used shroud semi
>    gloss black =E2=80=93 sitting on shelf.
>    13. Installed 160 degree thermostat.
>
> So at this point I do not have a fan shroud =E2=80=93 unless make up a cu=
stom.  Other
> changes could make is front air dam and block front cross member to botto=
m
> of radiator spacing but for now I am going to see how things play out thi=
s
> summer.
>
> Results as follows:
>
> Cold start with 86 degree ambient outside temperature =E2=80=93 at idle w=
ith hood
> closed, car in sun.
>
> 5 Minutes engine temperature 174 degrees.
>
> 9 Minutes engine temperature 180 degrees.
>
> 12 Minutes engine temperature 190 degrees.
>
> 14 Minutes engine temperature 195 degrees.
>
> 16 Minutes engine temperature 200 degrees.
>
> Run the motor at 1500 rpm=E2=80=99s for 1minute temperature drops to 196 =
degrees.
>
> Run the motor at 2000 rpm=E2=80=99s for another 1minute temperature drops=
 to 194
> degrees.
>
> Turn motor off and in a total of 27 minutes from startup - heat soak is
> 208 degrees.
>
> All this is recorded from temporary mechanical temperature gauge located
> under dash.
>
> The car temperature at any speed is at 174 degrees regardless of the
> outside ambient temperature from 50=E2=80=99s to mid 90=E2=80=99s.
>
> Whew, maybe at last can enjoy car with a couple of things still
> outstanding to be able to drive it out of town for any distance.  The
> Tiger=E2=80=99s first major outing was at the Sandhills Motoring Festival=
 held in
> Pinehurst NC last month in May =E2=80=93 you can get a glimpse of the car=
s at:
> https://www.thepilot.com/gallery/concours-in-the-village/collection_d49fd=
acc-8091-11e9-86df-2b8021a08259.html
> You might have to copy and paste link into your browser.
>
> Thank you all for putting up with all my inane questions and comments ove=
r
> the years.  I am sure there will be more.
>
> Regards
>
> Joel Martin
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,s=
ans-serif;font-size:small">Hi Joel;</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"=
gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">cong=
ratulations on getting your Tiger to run cool!</div><div class=3D"gmail_def=
ault" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><di=
v class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:=
small">I, like many other Tiger owners, have tramped down this overheating =
path for many years, and most of us have found the solution more or less in=
 the same way you have done.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fon=
t-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_d=
efault" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">In my perso=
nal search for Tiger temperature nirvana, I came across this very interesti=
ng article regarding 160F Thermostats.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" st=
yle=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">You might want to re-=
consider your choice of thermostats.=C2=A0=C2=A0<a href=3D"mailto:HOTRODSRJ=
@AOL.COM" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;font-size:medium=
;font-weight:700" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><span style=3D"col=
or:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;font-size:medium;font=
-weight:700">=C2=A0</span></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-=
family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);f=
ont-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;font-size:medium;font-weight:700"><b=
r></span></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,san=
s-serif;font-size:small">In another specialty car I run regularly, I had a =
similar problem, and corrected it in a similar manner.=C2=A0 However, on th=
is car I installed an oil pan temperature gauge, and found it very difficul=
t to get the engine oil up beyond 180F. which I have not been able to remed=
y.=C2=A0The water temperature is very steady on this vehicle at 195F, regar=
dless of the load on the engine.No way is the engine oil ever going to reac=
h 220 deg to boil off the H20 condensate in the crank case. Not sure what t=
o do about this, besides changing the oil very frequently.<br></div><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:smal=
l"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-=
serif;font-size:small">Just some interesting info, FWIW.</div><div class=3D=
"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br=
></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;=
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lt" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">Dave Munroe B38=
2000450LRXFE<br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr"=
 class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 at 16:25, Joel Martin via Tigers =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">tigers@autox=
.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
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852204704ydp3a600384yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family:garamond,&quot;n=
ew york&quot;,times,serif;font-size:16px"><div>All<br><div><br><div><div><d=
iv>Thanks for the responses.=C2=A0 I am personally PLEASED with the changes=
 that I have made.=C2=A0 16 minutes at idle to reach 200 degrees or 11 minu=
tes to go from 174 when running to 200 degrees, I think is pretty good, at =
least based on my previous experience with idle temps rising.=C2=A0 This al=
lows me to drive the car in most any and all conditions.=C2=A0 <br><div><br=
>I guess from the responses you all do not think so - maybe I am missing so=
mething - would not be the first time.=C2=A0 I do live out in the country w=
ith around only 90K people in the county so not much city driving.</div></d=
iv><div><br><div>The water pump upgrade was made more for reducing possible=
 air cavitation or pockets of air than the higher flow of water.<br><div><b=
r><div>No restrictor in upper hose at this point - tried in the past and re=
moved it - did not seem to make a difference.<br>Running 50/50 green antifr=
eeze and 16 psi cap.=C2=A0 <br></div></div></div></div></div><div><br>Joel<=
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<div>I know this has been a long running problem for you. And as time moves=
 on I
can=E2=80=99t remember what has or hasn=E2=80=99t been said. Aside from the=
 obvious (clogged
radiator/engine, blades eroded off water pumps, air pockets etc.) there hav=
e
been other causes of high temperature readings:</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>1. There might not actually be a problem with the cooling. Rather the=
=20
voltage regulator for the temp gauge may be defective and causing a higher =
than
actual reading.</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>2. The lower radiator hose collapses. This typically happens as the rp=
m=E2=80=99s
increase (so not an =E2=80=9Cat idle=E2=80=9D issue) the lower hose sucks i=
n and pinches flow. A
stainless steel spring set internal to the hose (many source this from a la=
wn
sprinkler) prevents the collapse.</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>The blocking plates and other means of preventing hot air recirculatio=
n are
helpful.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve seen a flat sheet of aluminum between the lower=
 section of
the grill area and the radiator.=C2=A0 My understanding of the air dam is t=
hat
it is more effective at speed. I was told it generates a negative air press=
ure
to draw air from the engine compartment.=C2=A0 I truly believe a shroud wou=
ld be
very helpful. Otherwise to some extent you are simply churning hot air alre=
ady
under the hood. A well fitting shroud would ensure air is drawn externally.=
 As
noted others have found an electric pusher fan helpful.</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>In this day and age of the GoPro camera I think it would be interestin=
g to
to do the old school yarn application and observe what is actually going on
under the hood, under the car, and the external areas such as the horn open=
ings
and proposed air dam areas etc. A few well placed homemade man-o-meters mig=
ht be
informative too.</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>Then there are the arguments as to whether a high flow water pump pull=
s hot
coolant out of the engine faster (good) or pushes it too fast through the
radiator (bad). Is coolant good because it raises the boiling point, or bad
because it is less efficient than straight water.=C2=A0 There are the peopl=
e
with a stock cooling system (and sometimes performance enhancements to the=
=20
engine) that claim they never have a heat issue in a hot climate and those =
in
cooler climates that have stock engines and every cooling enhancement known=
 to
Tigerdom and they constantly have issues.</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>In the end I hope you are successful and enjoy a the summer driving yo=
ur
now running cool Tiger.</div>
<div style=3D"font-size:small;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri;font=
-weight:normal;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;display:inline">
<div style=3D"font-family:tahoma;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;font-=
size:10pt;line-height:normal;font-stretch:normal">
<div><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Calibri"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"background-color:rgb(245,245,245);background-image:none;backg=
round-repeat:repeat;background-size:auto">
<div><b>From:</b> <a title=3D"[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:tigers@=
autox.team.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">Joel Martin via Tigers</=
a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 18, 2019 9:04 AM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:tigers@au=
tox.team.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">Tiger List Serve</a> </div=
<div><b>Subject:</b> [Tigers] Tiger Overheating =E2=80=93 Shotgun
Approach</div></div></div>
<div>=C2=A0</div></div>
<div style=3D"font-size:small;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri;font=
-weight:normal;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;display:inline">
<div class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605=
580cyiv7361261624yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-size:16px;font-family:gara=
mond,&quot;new york&quot;,times,serif">
<div>
<div>After about a year of struggling with overheating at idle with the hoo=
d
down, I took drastic steps.<span>=C2=A0 </span>I have been driving the car=
=20
during the last year only on back roads with no chance of traffic lights.
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp260558=
0cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p>
<ol style=3D"margin-top:0in;list-style-position:inside" type=3D"1">
  <li class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp260=
5580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal">Purchased and installed SS gloss bl=
ack radiator
  overflow tank.
  </li><li class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704y=
dp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal">Purchased and installed overfl=
ow tank straps
  from <span class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432312367385220470=
4ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0dfrtlirtlidzssg">Alexander Washick</spa=
n><span class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2=
605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">=C2=A0<a href=3D"mailto:alw6464@=
gmail.com" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a> which a=
re powder
  coated.</span>
  </li><li class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704y=
dp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_-124025=
642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0u=
ncz1vrpvf">Purchased and
  installed undersize water pump pulley from </span><span class=3D"gmail-m_=
-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4a=
c9ecb0dfrtlirtlidzssg">Robert Straghan</span><span class=3D"gmail-m_-124025=
642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0u=
ncz1vrpvf"> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">rg=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; scuffed, primed and
  painted semi gloss black</span>
  </li><li class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704y=
dp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_-124025=
642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0u=
ncz1vrpvf">Purchased and
  installed horn hole block plates from </span><span class=3D"gmail-m_-1240=
25642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb=
0dfrtlirtlidzssg">Don Lutjen</span><span class=3D"gmail-m_-1240256428082300=
83gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf"=
> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">dlutjen55@gm=
ail.com</a>&gt; scuffed, primed and
  painted semi gloss black.</span>
  </li><li class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704y=
dp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_-124025=
642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0u=
ncz1vrpvf">Purchased and
  installed new taller Tiger aluminum cross flow side tank radiator from Gr=
iffin
  Radiator.</span>
  </li><li class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704y=
dp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_-124025=
642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0u=
ncz1vrpvf">Purchased and
  installed new Flow Kooler water pump BRA-1680 painted Ford dark blue to m=
atch
  engine replacing SS water pump, pressed hub to line up.</span>
  </li><li class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704y=
dp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_-124025=
642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0u=
ncz1vrpvf">Modified the
  mechanical fan spacer so that front of fan is 1=E2=80=9D from radiator.</=
span>
  </li><li class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704y=
dp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_-124025=
642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0u=
ncz1vrpvf">Mechanical
  fan remains Flex-a-lite 14=E2=80=9D nylon 6 blade fan.</span>
  </li><li class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704y=
dp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_-124025=
642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0u=
ncz1vrpvf">Purchased and
  installed new SS lower radiator and overflow to radiator hoses.</span>
  </li><li class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704y=
dp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_-124025=
642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0u=
ncz1vrpvf">New top
  radiator hose from local source as SS hose would not fit taller
  radiator.</span>
  </li><li class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704y=
dp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_-124025=
642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0u=
ncz1vrpvf">New fan
  belt.</span>
  </li><li class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704y=
dp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_-124025=
642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0u=
ncz1vrpvf">Purchased and
  refurbished original Tiger fan shroud which would not fit as I did not wa=
nt to
  cut a original shroud top mounting bracket to fit my taller
  radiator.<span>=C2=A0 </span>Stripped, primed and painted used shroud sem=
i
  gloss black =E2=80=93 sitting on shelf.</span>
  </li><li class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704y=
dp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_-124025=
642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0u=
ncz1vrpvf">Installed 160
  degree thermostat.</span></li></ol>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp260558=
0cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_-12402564280823=
0083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpv=
f">So at this point
I do not have a fan shroud =E2=80=93 unless make up a custom.<span>=C2=A0 <=
/span>Other
changes could make is front air dam and block front cross member to bottom =
of
radiator spacing but for now I am going to see how things play out this
summer.</span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp260558=
0cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_-12402564280823=
0083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpv=
f">Results as
follows:</span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp260558=
0cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_-12402564280823=
0083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpv=
f">Cold start with
86 degree ambient outside temperature =E2=80=93 at idle with hood closed, c=
ar in
sun.</span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp260558=
0cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_-12402564280823=
0083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpv=
f">5 Minutes engine
temperature 174 degrees.</span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp260558=
0cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_-12402564280823=
0083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpv=
f">9 Minutes engine
temperature 180 degrees.</span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp260558=
0cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_-12402564280823=
0083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpv=
f">12 Minutes
engine temperature 190 degrees.</span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp260558=
0cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_-12402564280823=
0083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpv=
f">14 Minutes
engine temperature 195 degrees.</span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp260558=
0cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_-12402564280823=
0083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpv=
f">16 Minutes
engine temperature 200 degrees.</span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp260558=
0cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_-12402564280823=
0083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpv=
f">Run the motor at
1500 rpm=E2=80=99s for 1minute temperature drops to 196 degrees.</span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp260558=
0cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_-12402564280823=
0083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpv=
f">Run the motor at
2000 rpm=E2=80=99s for another 1minute temperature drops to 194 degrees.</s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp260558=
0cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_-12402564280823=
0083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpv=
f">Turn motor off
and in a total of 27 minutes from startup - heat soak is 208 degrees.</span=
></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp260558=
0cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_-12402564280823=
0083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpv=
f">All this is
recorded from temporary mechanical temperature gauge located under
dash.</span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp260558=
0cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_-12402564280823=
0083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpv=
f">The car
temperature at any speed is at 174 degrees regardless of the outside ambien=
t
temperature from 50=E2=80=99s to mid 90=E2=80=99s.</span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp260558=
0cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_-12402564280823=
0083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpv=
f">Whew, maybe at
last can enjoy car with a couple of things still outstanding to be able to =
drive
it out of town for any distance.<span>=C2=A0 </span>The Tiger=E2=80=99s fir=
st major
outing was at the Sandhills Motoring Festival held in Pinehurst NC last mon=
th in
May =E2=80=93 you can get a glimpse of the cars at:<span>=C2=A0 </span><a h=
ref=3D"https://www.thepilot.com/gallery/concours-in-the-village/collection_=
d49fdacc-8091-11e9-86df-2b8021a08259.html" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blan=
k">https://www.thepilot.com/gallery/concours-in-the-village/collection_d49f=
dacc-8091-11e9-86df-2b8021a08259.html</a><span>=C2=A0
</span>You might have to copy and paste link into your browser.</span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp260558=
0cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_-12402564280823=
0083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpv=
f">Thank you all
for putting up with all my inane questions and comments over the years.=C2=
=A0 I
am sure there will be more.<br></span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp260558=
0cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_-12402564280823=
0083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpv=
f">Regards</span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp260558=
0cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_-12402564280823=
0083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpv=
f">Joel
Martin</span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp260558=
0cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp260558=
0cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp260558=
0cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_-12402564280823=
0083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpv=
f"></span>=C2=A0</p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp260558=
0cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_-12402564280823=
0083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpv=
f"></span>=C2=A0</p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp260558=
0cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p></div>
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From: Jay Laifman via Tigers <[email-masked]>
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Your email did not have a link to an article about 160* thermostats.  But I
did a quick search myself.  I came up with a bunch of guys warning that
160* is too low, which makes the engine run too cold, and the oil not heat
up enough.  That's true by half.  The other half is internet hogwash.  The
half that is right is that running too cold is bad.  The half that is wrong
is drawing a bright line on the thermostat.  Sure, if you have an otherwise
bone stock engine and pop in a different thermostat, you can create
issues.  But the heat of the engine is also impacted by the size of the
radiator, the material of the radiator, whether or not the radiator is
black, the water pump speed, and the pulley sizes.  Water that runs too
fast through the radiator doesn't have time to pull out heat from the
water.  Water that runs too fast through the engine, doesn't have time to
pull out heat from the block.  Water that runs too slow, doesn't pull the
heat out of the engine fast enough.  So changing any one part in that
system effects the rest of the system.  It could be because of OTHER
changes, the engine now needs a 160* thermostat to flow the water at the
right speed at the right time.  Therefore, the test is how your engine is
cooling.  It is not if or if not you have a 160* thermostat.

Off soap box.

On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 7:55 AM Dave Munroe via Tigers <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> for many years, and most of us have found the solution more or less in th=
e
> You might want to re-consider your choice of thermostats.
> [email-masked]
>
> corrected it in a similar manner.  However, on this car I installed an oi=
l
> pan temperature gauge, and found it very difficult to get the engine oil =
up
> beyond 180F. which I have not been able to remedy. The water temperature =
is
> engine.No way is the engine oil ever going to reach 220 deg to boil off t=
he
> On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 at 16:25, Joel Martin via Tigers <
> [email-masked]> wrote:
>
>> All
>>
>> Thanks for the responses.  I am personally PLEASED with the changes that
>> I have made.  16 minutes at idle to reach 200 degrees or 11 minutes to g=
o
>> based on my previous experience with idle temps rising.  This allows me =
to
>> something - would not be the first time.  I do live out in the country w=
ith
>> The water pump upgrade was made more for reducing possible air cavitatio=
n
>> No restrictor in upper hose at this point - tried in the past and remove=
d
>> On Tuesday, June 18, 2019, 2:01:11 PM EDT, [email-masked]
>> <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I know this has been a long running problem for you. And as time moves o=
n
>> I can=E2=80=99t remember what has or hasn=E2=80=99t been said. Aside fro=
m the obvious
>> (clogged radiator/engine, blades eroded off water pumps, air pockets etc=
.)
>> voltage regulator for the temp gauge may be defective and causing a high=
er
=E2=80=99s
>> increase (so not an =E2=80=9Cat idle=E2=80=9D issue) the lower hose suck=
s in and pinches
>> flow. A stainless steel spring set internal to the hose (many source thi=
s
>> are helpful.  I=E2=80=99ve seen a flat sheet of aluminum between the low=
er section
>> that it is more effective at speed. I was told it generates a negative a=
ir
>> pressure to draw air from the engine compartment.  I truly believe a shr=
oud
>> would be very helpful. Otherwise to some extent you are simply churning =
hot
>> air already under the hood. A well fitting shroud would ensure air is dr=
awn
>> In this day and age of the GoPro camera I think it would be interesting
>> to to do the old school yarn application and observe what is actually go=
ing
>> on under the hood, under the car, and the external areas such as the hor=
n
>> hot coolant out of the engine faster (good) or pushes it too fast throug=
h
>> the radiator (bad). Is coolant good because it raises the boiling point,=
 or
>> bad because it is less efficient than straight water.  There are the peo=
ple
>> with a stock cooling system (and sometimes performance enhancements to t=
he
>> engine) that claim they never have a heat issue in a hot climate and tho=
se
>>    2. Purchased and installed overflow tank straps from Alexander Washic=
k
>>    6. Purchased and installed new Flow Kooler water pump BRA-1680
>>    painted Ford dark blue to match engine replacing SS water pump, press=
ed hub
>>    to line up.
=9D from
>>    not fit as I did not want to cut a original shroud top mounting brack=
et to
>>    fit my taller radiator.  Stripped, primed and painted used shroud
>>    semi gloss black =E2=80=93 sitting on shelf.
>> So at this point I do not have a fan shroud =E2=80=93 unless make up a c=
ustom.  Other
>> changes could make is front air dam and block front cross member to bott=
om
>> of radiator spacing but for now I am going to see how things play out th=
is
>> summer.
>>
>> Results as follows:
>>
>> Cold start with 86 degree ambient outside temperature =E2=80=93 at idle =
with hood
>> Run the motor at 1500 rpm=E2=80=99s for 1minute temperature drops to 196=
 degrees.
>>
>> Run the motor at 2000 rpm=E2=80=99s for another 1minute temperature drop=
s to 194
>> Tiger=E2=80=99s first major outing was at the Sandhills Motoring Festiva=
l held in
>> Pinehurst NC last month in May =E2=80=93 you can get a glimpse of the ca=
rs at:
>> https://www.thepilot.com/gallery/concours-in-the-village/collection_d49f=
dacc-8091-11e9-86df-2b8021a08259.html
>> Thank you all for putting up with all my inane questions and comments
>> over the years.  I am sure there will be more.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Joel Martin
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Your email did not have a link to an article about 160* th=
ermostats.=C2=A0 But I did a quick search myself.=C2=A0 I came up with a bu=
nch of guys warning that 160* is too low, which makes the engine run too co=
ld, and the oil not heat up enough.=C2=A0 That&#39;s true by half.=C2=A0 Th=
e other half is internet hogwash.=C2=A0 The half that is right is that runn=
ing too cold is bad.=C2=A0 The half that is wrong is drawing a bright line =
on the thermostat.=C2=A0 Sure, if you have an otherwise bone stock engine a=
nd pop in a different thermostat, you can create issues.=C2=A0 But the heat=
 of the engine is also impacted by the size of the radiator, the material o=
f the radiator, whether or not the radiator is black, the water pump speed,=
 and the pulley sizes.=C2=A0 Water that runs too fast through the radiator =
doesn&#39;t have time to pull out heat from the water.=C2=A0 Water that run=
s too fast through the engine, doesn&#39;t have time to pull out heat from =
the block.=C2=A0 Water that runs too slow, doesn&#39;t pull the heat out of=
 the engine fast enough.=C2=A0 So changing any one part in that system effe=
cts the rest of the system.=C2=A0 It could be because of OTHER changes, the=
 engine now needs a 160* thermostat to flow the water at the right speed at=
 the right time.=C2=A0 Therefore, the test is how your engine is cooling.=
=C2=A0 It is not if or if not you have a 160* thermostat.<div><br></div><di=
v>Off soap box.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"=
gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at =
7:55 AM Dave Munroe via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=
>[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,2=
04);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">Hi Joel;</div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">=
<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-ser=
if;font-size:small">congratulations on getting your Tiger to run cool!</div=
><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-s=
ize:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:taho=
ma,sans-serif;font-size:small">I, like many other Tiger owners, have trampe=
d down this overheating path for many years, and most of us have found the =
solution more or less in the same way you have done.</div><div class=3D"gma=
il_default" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></d=
iv><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font=
-size:small">In my personal search for Tiger temperature nirvana, I came ac=
ross this very interesting article regarding 160F Thermostats.</div><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:smal=
l">You might want to re-consider your choice of thermostats.=C2=A0=C2=A0<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roma=
n&quot;;font-size:medium;font-weight:700" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
OM</a><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;;font-size:medium;font-weight:700">=C2=A0</span></div><div class=3D"gmail=
_default" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><span sty=
le=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;font-size:me=
dium;font-weight:700"><br></span></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">In another specialty car=
 I run regularly, I had a similar problem, and corrected it in a similar ma=
nner.=C2=A0 However, on this car I installed an oil pan temperature gauge, =
and found it very difficult to get the engine oil up beyond 180F. which I h=
ave not been able to remedy.=C2=A0The water temperature is very steady on t=
his vehicle at 195F, regardless of the load on the engine.No way is the eng=
ine oil ever going to reach 220 deg to boil off the H20 condensate in the c=
rank case. Not sure what to do about this, besides changing the oil very fr=
equently.<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:tahoma=
,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">Just some interesting in=
fo, FWIW.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,san=
s-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fo=
nt-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">Cheers,</div><div class=3D"gma=
il_default" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></d=
iv><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font=
-size:small">Dave Munroe B382000450LRXFE<br></div></div><br><div class=3D"g=
mail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 at 16=
:25, Joel Martin via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px soli=
d rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div class=3D"gmail-m_16926828374=
33975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp3a600384ya=
hoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family:garamond,&quot;new york&quot;,times,se=
rif;font-size:16px"><div>All<br><div><br><div><div><div>Thanks for the resp=
onses.=C2=A0 I am personally PLEASED with the changes that I have made.=C2=
=A0 16 minutes at idle to reach 200 degrees or 11 minutes to go from 174 wh=
en running to 200 degrees, I think is pretty good, at least based on my pre=
vious experience with idle temps rising.=C2=A0 This allows me to drive the =
car in most any and all conditions.=C2=A0 <br><div><br>I guess from the res=
ponses you all do not think so - maybe I am missing something - would not b=
e the first time.=C2=A0 I do live out in the country with around only 90K p=
eople in the county so not much city driving.</div></div><div><br><div>The =
water pump upgrade was made more for reducing possible air cavitation or po=
ckets of air than the higher flow of water.<br><div><br><div>No restrictor =
in upper hose at this point - tried in the past and removed it - did not se=
em to make a difference.<br>Running 50/50 green antifreeze and 16 psi cap.=
=C2=A0 <br></div></div></div></div></div><div><br>Joel<br></div></div></div=
></div><div></div>
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0083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyahoo_quoted_1867881014" class=3D=
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<div><b>Subject:</b> [Tigers] Tiger Overheating =E2=80=93 Shotgun
Approach</div></div></div>
<div>=C2=A0</div></div>
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<div>After about a year of struggling with overheating at idle with the hoo=
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=20
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  </li><li class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083g=
mail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><sp=
an class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4=
323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">New top
  radiator hose from local source as SS hose would not fit taller
  radiator.</span>
  </li><li class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083g=
mail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><sp=
an class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4=
323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">New fan
  belt.</span>
  </li><li class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083g=
mail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><sp=
an class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4=
323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Purchased =
and
  refurbished original Tiger fan shroud which would not fit as I did not wa=
nt to
  cut a original shroud top mounting bracket to fit my taller
  radiator.<span>=C2=A0 </span>Stripped, primed and painted used shroud sem=
i
  gloss black =E2=80=93 sitting on shelf.</span>
  </li><li class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083g=
mail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><sp=
an class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4=
323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Installed =
160
  degree thermostat.</span></li></ol>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4=
323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=
=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432312367=
3852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">So at this point
I do not have a fan shroud =E2=80=93 unless make up a custom.<span>=C2=A0 <=
/span>Other
changes could make is front air dam and block front cross member to bottom =
of
radiator spacing but for now I am going to see how things play out this
summer.</span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4=
323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=
=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432312367=
3852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Results as
follows:</span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4=
323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=
=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432312367=
3852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Cold start with
86 degree ambient outside temperature =E2=80=93 at idle with hood closed, c=
ar in
sun.</span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4=
323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=
=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432312367=
3852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">5 Minutes engine
temperature 174 degrees.</span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4=
323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=
=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432312367=
3852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">9 Minutes engine
temperature 180 degrees.</span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4=
323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=
=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432312367=
3852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">12 Minutes
engine temperature 190 degrees.</span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4=
323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=
=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432312367=
3852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">14 Minutes
engine temperature 195 degrees.</span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4=
323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=
=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432312367=
3852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">16 Minutes
engine temperature 200 degrees.</span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4=
323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=
=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432312367=
3852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Run the motor at
1500 rpm=E2=80=99s for 1minute temperature drops to 196 degrees.</span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4=
323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=
=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432312367=
3852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Run the motor at
2000 rpm=E2=80=99s for another 1minute temperature drops to 194 degrees.</s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4=
323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=
=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432312367=
3852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Turn motor off
and in a total of 27 minutes from startup - heat soak is 208 degrees.</span=
></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4=
323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=
=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432312367=
3852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">All this is
recorded from temporary mechanical temperature gauge located under
dash.</span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4=
323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=
=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432312367=
3852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">The car
temperature at any speed is at 174 degrees regardless of the outside ambien=
t
temperature from 50=E2=80=99s to mid 90=E2=80=99s.</span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4=
323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=
=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432312367=
3852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Whew, maybe at
last can enjoy car with a couple of things still outstanding to be able to =
drive
it out of town for any distance.<span>=C2=A0 </span>The Tiger=E2=80=99s fir=
st major
outing was at the Sandhills Motoring Festival held in Pinehurst NC last mon=
th in
May =E2=80=93 you can get a glimpse of the cars at:<span>=C2=A0 </span><a h=
ref=3D"https://www.thepilot.com/gallery/concours-in-the-village/collection_=
d49fdacc-8091-11e9-86df-2b8021a08259.html" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blan=
k">https://www.thepilot.com/gallery/concours-in-the-village/collection_d49f=
dacc-8091-11e9-86df-2b8021a08259.html</a><span>=C2=A0
</span>You might have to copy and paste link into your browser.</span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4=
323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=
=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432312367=
3852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Thank you all
for putting up with all my inane questions and comments over the years.=C2=
=A0 I
am sure there will be more.<br></span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4=
323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=
=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432312367=
3852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Regards</span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4=
323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=
=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432312367=
3852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Joel
Martin</span></p>
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323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p>
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323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p>
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3852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf"></span>=C2=A0</p>
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323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=
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The only thing a 160 stat will do is open up sooner. If your engine =
wants to run at 195, it will no matter what stat is in it. The issue =
with a 160 is that if it is a cold day, your engine may never get over =
160 which is IMO too cold. The flow rate of a 160 and a 180 stat is the =
same. 2 cents

> On Jun 20, 2019, at 10:57 AM, Jay Laifman via Tigers =
<[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> Your email did not have a link to an article about 160* thermostats.  =
But I did a quick search myself.  I came up with a bunch of guys warning =
that 160* is too low, which makes the engine run too cold, and the oil =
not heat up enough.  That's true by half.  The other half is internet =
hogwash.  The half that is right is that running too cold is bad.  The =
half that is wrong is drawing a bright line on the thermostat.  Sure, if =
you have an otherwise bone stock engine and pop in a different =
thermostat, you can create issues.  But the heat of the engine is also =
impacted by the size of the radiator, the material of the radiator, =
whether or not the radiator is black, the water pump speed, and the =
pulley sizes.  Water that runs too fast through the radiator doesn't =
have time to pull out heat from the water.  Water that runs too fast =
through the engine, doesn't have time to pull out heat from the block.  =
Water that runs too slow, doesn't pull the heat out of the engine fast =
enough.  So changing any one part in that system effects the rest of the =
system.  It could be because of OTHER changes, the engine now needs a =
160* thermostat to flow the water at the right speed at the right time.  =
Therefore, the test is how your engine is cooling.  It is not if or if =
not you have a 160* thermostat.
>=20
> Off soap box.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 7:55 AM Dave Munroe via Tigers =
> Hi Joel;
>=20
> I, like many other Tiger owners, have tramped down this overheating =
path for many years, and most of us have found the solution more or less =
in the same way you have done.
>=20
> In my personal search for Tiger temperature nirvana, I came across =
this very interesting article regarding 160F Thermostats.
> You might want to re-consider your choice of thermostats.  =
>=20
> In another specialty car I run regularly, I had a similar problem, and =
corrected it in a similar manner.  However, on this car I installed an =
oil pan temperature gauge, and found it very difficult to get the engine =
oil up beyond 180F. which I have not been able to remedy. The water =
temperature is very steady on this vehicle at 195F, regardless of the =
load on the engine.No way is the engine oil ever going to reach 220 deg =
to boil off the H20 condensate in the crank case. Not sure what to do =
about this, besides changing the oil very frequently.
> On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 at 16:25, Joel Martin via Tigers =
> All
>=20
> Thanks for the responses.  I am personally PLEASED with the changes =
that I have made.  16 minutes at idle to reach 200 degrees or 11 minutes =
to go from 174 when running to 200 degrees, I think is pretty good, at =
least based on my previous experience with idle temps rising.  This =
allows me to drive the car in most any and all conditions. =20
>=20
> I guess from the responses you all do not think so - maybe I am =
missing something - would not be the first time.  I do live out in the =
country with around only 90K people in the county so not much city =
driving.
>=20
> The water pump upgrade was made more for reducing possible air =
cavitation or pockets of air than the higher flow of water.
>=20
> No restrictor in upper hose at this point - tried in the past and =
removed it - did not seem to make a difference.
> Running 50/50 green antifreeze and 16 psi cap. =20
>=20
> Joel
>=20
>=20
> On Tuesday, June 18, 2019, 2:01:11 PM EDT, =
wrote:
>     http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers =
<http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers>
>     [email-masked] =
>=20
> I know this has been a long running problem for you. And as time moves =
on I can=E2=80=99t remember what has or hasn=E2=80=99t been said. Aside =
from the obvious (clogged radiator/engine, blades eroded off water =
pumps, air pockets etc.) there have been other causes of high =
temperature readings:
> =20
> 1. There might not actually be a problem with the cooling. Rather the =
voltage regulator for the temp gauge may be defective and causing a =
higher than actual reading.
> =20
> 2. The lower radiator hose collapses. This typically happens as the =
rpm=E2=80=99s increase (so not an =E2=80=9Cat idle=E2=80=9D issue) the =
lower hose sucks in and pinches flow. A stainless steel spring set =
internal to the hose (many source this from a lawn sprinkler) prevents =
the collapse.
> =20
> The blocking plates and other means of preventing hot air =
recirculation are helpful.  I=E2=80=99ve seen a flat sheet of aluminum =
between the lower section of the grill area and the radiator.  My =
understanding of the air dam is that it is more effective at speed. I =
was told it generates a negative air pressure to draw air from the =
engine compartment.  I truly believe a shroud would be very helpful. =
Otherwise to some extent you are simply churning hot air already under =
the hood. A well fitting shroud would ensure air is drawn externally. As =
noted others have found an electric pusher fan helpful.
> =20
> In this day and age of the GoPro camera I think it would be =
interesting to to do the old school yarn application and observe what is =
actually going on under the hood, under the car, and the external areas =
such as the horn openings and proposed air dam areas etc. A few well =
placed homemade man-o-meters might be informative too.
> =20
> Then there are the arguments as to whether a high flow water pump =
pulls hot coolant out of the engine faster (good) or pushes it too fast =
through the radiator (bad). Is coolant good because it raises the =
boiling point, or bad because it is less efficient than straight water.  =
There are the people with a stock cooling system (and sometimes =
performance enhancements to the engine) that claim they never have a =
heat issue in a hot climate and those in cooler climates that have stock =
engines and every cooling enhancement known to Tigerdom and they =
constantly have issues.
> =20
> In the end I hope you are successful and enjoy a the summer driving =
your now running cool Tiger.
> =20
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 9:04 AM
> Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Overheating =E2=80=93 Shotgun Approach
> =20
> After about a year of struggling with overheating at idle with the =
hood down, I took drastic steps.  I have been driving the car during the =
last year only on back roads with no chance of traffic lights.
> =20
> Purchased and installed SS gloss black radiator overflow tank.
> Purchased and installed overflow tank straps from Alexander Washick =
> Purchased and installed undersize water pump pulley from Robert =
primed and painted semi gloss black
> Purchased and installed horn hole block plates from Don Lutjen =
painted semi gloss black.
> Purchased and installed new taller Tiger aluminum cross flow side tank =
radiator from Griffin Radiator.
> Purchased and installed new Flow Kooler water pump BRA-1680 painted =
Ford dark blue to match engine replacing SS water pump, pressed hub to =
line up.
> Modified the mechanical fan spacer so that front of fan is 1=E2=80=9D =
from radiator.
> Mechanical fan remains Flex-a-lite 14=E2=80=9D nylon 6 blade fan.
> Purchased and installed new SS lower radiator and overflow to radiator =
hoses.
> New top radiator hose from local source as SS hose would not fit =
taller radiator.
> New fan belt.
> Purchased and refurbished original Tiger fan shroud which would not =
fit as I did not want to cut a original shroud top mounting bracket to =
fit my taller radiator.  Stripped, primed and painted used shroud semi =
gloss black =E2=80=93 sitting on shelf.
> Installed 160 degree thermostat.
> So at this point I do not have a fan shroud =E2=80=93 unless make up a =
custom.  Other changes could make is front air dam and block front cross =
member to bottom of radiator spacing but for now I am going to see how =
things play out this summer.
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> Results as follows:
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> Cold start with 86 degree ambient outside temperature =E2=80=93 at =
idle with hood closed, car in sun.
> Run the motor at 1500 rpm=E2=80=99s for 1minute temperature drops to =
196 degrees.
>=20
> Run the motor at 2000 rpm=E2=80=99s for another 1minute temperature =
drops to 194 degrees.
>=20
> Turn motor off and in a total of 27 minutes from startup - heat soak =
is 208 degrees.
>=20
> All this is recorded from temporary mechanical temperature gauge =
located under dash.
>=20
> The car temperature at any speed is at 174 degrees regardless of the =
>=20
> Whew, maybe at last can enjoy car with a couple of things still =
outstanding to be able to drive it out of town for any distance.  The =
Tiger=E2=80=99s first major outing was at the Sandhills Motoring =
Festival held in Pinehurst NC last month in May =E2=80=93 you can get a =
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">The =
only thing a 160 stat will do is open up sooner. If your engine wants to =
run at 195, it will no matter what stat is in it. The issue with a 160 =
is that if it is a cold day, your engine may never get over 160 which is =
IMO too cold. The flow rate of a 160 and a 180 stat is the same. 2 =
cents<br class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Jun 20, 2019, at 10:57 AM, Jay Laifman via =
Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"">Your email did not have a link to an article about 160* =
thermostats.&nbsp; But I did a quick search myself.&nbsp; I came up with =
a bunch of guys warning that 160* is too low, which makes the engine run =
too cold, and the oil not heat up enough.&nbsp; That's true by =
half.&nbsp; The other half is internet hogwash.&nbsp; The half that is =
right is that running too cold is bad.&nbsp; The half that is wrong is =
drawing a bright line on the thermostat.&nbsp; Sure, if you have an =
otherwise bone stock engine and pop in a different thermostat, you can =
create issues.&nbsp; But the heat of the engine is also impacted by the =
size of the radiator, the material of the radiator, whether or not the =
radiator is black, the water pump speed, and the pulley sizes.&nbsp; =
Water that runs too fast through the radiator doesn't have time to pull =
out heat from the water.&nbsp; Water that runs too fast through the =
engine, doesn't have time to pull out heat from the block.&nbsp; Water =
that runs too slow, doesn't pull the heat out of the engine fast =
enough.&nbsp; So changing any one part in that system effects the rest =
of the system.&nbsp; It could be because of OTHER changes, the engine =
now needs a 160* thermostat to flow the water at the right speed at the =
right time.&nbsp; Therefore, the test is how your engine is =
cooling.&nbsp; It is not if or if not you have a 160* thermostat.<div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Off soap box.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div></div><br class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 7:55 AM Dave =
Munroe via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid =
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">Hi =
Joel;</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">congratulations =
on getting your Tiger to run cool!</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">I, like many =
other Tiger owners, have tramped down this overheating path for many =
years, and most of us have found the solution more or less in the same =
way you have done.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">In my personal =
search for Tiger temperature nirvana, I came across this very =
interesting article regarding 160F Thermostats.</div><div =
class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">You might want =
to re-consider your choice of thermostats.&nbsp;&nbsp;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" style=3D"font-family: &quot;Times New =
Roman&quot;; font-size: 12px; font-weight: 700;" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a><span style=3D"font-family: &quot;Times =
New Roman&quot;; font-size: 12px; font-weight: 700;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</span></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><span =
style=3D"font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; font-size: 12px; =
font-weight: 700;" class=3D""><br class=3D""></span></div><div =
class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">In another =
specialty car I run regularly, I had a similar problem, and corrected it =
in a similar manner.&nbsp; However, on this car I installed an oil pan =
temperature gauge, and found it very difficult to get the engine oil up =
beyond 180F. which I have not been able to remedy.&nbsp;The water =
temperature is very steady on this vehicle at 195F, regardless of the =
load on the engine.No way is the engine oil ever going to reach 220 deg =
to boil off the H20 condensate in the crank case. Not sure what to do =
about this, besides changing the oil very frequently.<br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">Just some =
interesting info, FWIW.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">Cheers,</div><div =
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style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">Dave Munroe =
B382000450LRXFE<br class=3D""></div></div><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, 18 =
Jun 2019 at 16:25, Joel Martin via Tigers &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid =
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp3a600384yahoo-style-wrap" =
style=3D"font-family:garamond,&quot;new =
york&quot;,times,serif;font-size:16px"><div class=3D"">All<br =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">Thanks for the responses.&nbsp; I am =
personally PLEASED with the changes that I have made.&nbsp; 16 minutes =
at idle to reach 200 degrees or 11 minutes to go from 174 when running =
to 200 degrees, I think is pretty good, at least based on my previous =
experience with idle temps rising.&nbsp; This allows me to drive the car =
in most any and all conditions.&nbsp; <br class=3D""><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">I guess from the responses you all do not think so - maybe I =
am missing something - would not be the first time.&nbsp; I do live out =
in the country with around only 90K people in the county so not much =
city driving.</div></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">The water pump upgrade was made more for reducing possible =
air cavitation or pockets of air than the higher flow of water.<br =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">No restrictor =
in upper hose at this point - tried in the past and removed it - did not =
seem to make a difference.<br class=3D"">Running 50/50 green antifreeze =
and 16 psi cap.&nbsp; <br class=3D""></div></div></div></div></div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Joel<br class=3D""></div></div></div></div><div =
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Overheating ? Shotgun Approach (Tom Witt)<br class=3D""><div =
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<div class=3D"">I know this has been a long running problem for you. And =
as time moves on I
can=E2=80=99t remember what has or hasn=E2=80=99t been said. Aside from =
the obvious (clogged
radiator/engine, blades eroded off water pumps, air pockets etc.) there =
have
been other causes of high temperature readings:</div>
<div class=3D"">&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"">1. There might not actually be a problem with the =
cooling. Rather the=20
voltage regulator for the temp gauge may be defective and causing a =
higher than
actual reading.</div>
<div class=3D"">&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"">2. The lower radiator hose collapses. This typically =
happens as the rpm=E2=80=99s
increase (so not an =E2=80=9Cat idle=E2=80=9D issue) the lower hose =
sucks in and pinches flow. A
stainless steel spring set internal to the hose (many source this from a =
lawn
sprinkler) prevents the collapse.</div>
<div class=3D"">&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"">The blocking plates and other means of preventing hot =
air recirculation are
helpful.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99ve seen a flat sheet of aluminum between the =
lower section of
the grill area and the radiator.&nbsp; My understanding of the air dam =
is that
it is more effective at speed. I was told it generates a negative air =
pressure
to draw air from the engine compartment.&nbsp; I truly believe a shroud =
would be
very helpful. Otherwise to some extent you are simply churning hot air =
already
under the hood. A well fitting shroud would ensure air is drawn =
externally. As
noted others have found an electric pusher fan helpful.</div>
<div class=3D"">&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"">In this day and age of the GoPro camera I think it would =
be interesting to
to do the old school yarn application and observe what is actually going =
on
under the hood, under the car, and the external areas such as the horn =
openings
and proposed air dam areas etc. A few well placed homemade man-o-meters =
might be
informative too.</div>
<div class=3D"">&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"">Then there are the arguments as to whether a high flow =
water pump pulls hot
coolant out of the engine faster (good) or pushes it too fast through =
the
radiator (bad). Is coolant good because it raises the boiling point, or =
bad
because it is less efficient than straight water.&nbsp; There are the =
people
with a stock cooling system (and sometimes performance enhancements to =
the=20
engine) that claim they never have a heat issue in a hot climate and =
those in
cooler climates that have stock engines and every cooling enhancement =
known to
Tigerdom and they constantly have issues.</div>
<div class=3D"">&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"">In the end I hope you are successful and enjoy a the =
summer driving your
now running cool Tiger.</div>
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<div class=3D""><b class=3D"">From:</b> <a title=3D"[email-masked]"=
 href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">Joel Martin via Tigers</a> </div>
<div class=3D""><b class=3D"">Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 18, 2019 9:04 =
AM</div>
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<div class=3D""><b class=3D"">Subject:</b> [Tigers] Tiger Overheating =
=E2=80=93 Shotgun
Approach</div></div></div>
<div class=3D"">&nbsp;</div></div>
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<div class=3D"">After about a year of struggling with overheating at =
idle with the hood
down, I took drastic steps.<span class=3D"">&nbsp; </span>I have been =
driving the car=20
during the last year only on back roads with no chance of traffic =
lights.
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3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal">Purchased =
and installed SS gloss black radiator
  overflow tank.
  </li><li =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal">Purchased =
and installed overflow tank straps
  from <span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0dfrtlirtlidzssg">Alexan=
der Washick</span><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">&nbsp;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a> which are powder
  coated.</span>
  </li><li =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Purchased =
and
  installed undersize water pump pulley from </span><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0dfrtlirtlidzssg">Robert=
 Straghan</span><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf"> &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; scuffed, primed and
  painted semi gloss black</span>
  </li><li =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Purchased =
and
  installed horn hole block plates from </span><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0dfrtlirtlidzssg">Don =
Lutjen</span><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf"> &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; scuffed, primed and
  painted semi gloss black.</span>
  </li><li =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Purchased =
and
  installed new taller Tiger aluminum cross flow side tank radiator from =
Griffin
  Radiator.</span>
  </li><li =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Purchased =
and
  installed new Flow Kooler water pump BRA-1680 painted Ford dark blue =
to match
  engine replacing SS water pump, pressed hub to line up.</span>
  </li><li =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Modified =
the
  mechanical fan spacer so that front of fan is 1=E2=80=9D from =
radiator.</span>
  </li><li =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Mechanical
  fan remains Flex-a-lite 14=E2=80=9D nylon 6 blade fan.</span>
  </li><li =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Purchased =
and
  installed new SS lower radiator and overflow to radiator hoses.</span>
  </li><li =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">New top
  radiator hose from local source as SS hose would not fit taller
  radiator.</span>
  </li><li =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">New fan
  belt.</span>
  </li><li =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Purchased =
and
  refurbished original Tiger fan shroud which would not fit as I did not =
want to
  cut a original shroud top mounting bracket to fit my taller
  radiator.<span class=3D"">&nbsp; </span>Stripped, primed and painted =
used shroud semi
  gloss black =E2=80=93 sitting on shelf.</span>
  </li><li =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Installed =
160
  degree thermostat.</span></li></ol><p =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">So at =
this point
I do not have a fan shroud =E2=80=93 unless make up a custom.<span =
class=3D"">&nbsp; </span>Other
changes could make is front air dam and block front cross member to =
bottom of
radiator spacing but for now I am going to see how things play out this
summer.</span></p><p =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Results =
as
follows:</span></p><p =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Cold =
start with
86 degree ambient outside temperature =E2=80=93 at idle with hood =
closed, car in
sun.</span></p><p =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">5 Minutes =
engine
temperature 174 degrees.</span></p><p =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">9 Minutes =
engine
temperature 180 degrees.</span></p><p =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">12 =
Minutes
engine temperature 190 degrees.</span></p><p =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">14 =
Minutes
engine temperature 195 degrees.</span></p><p =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">16 =
Minutes
engine temperature 200 degrees.</span></p><p =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Run the =
motor at
1500 rpm=E2=80=99s for 1minute temperature drops to 196 =
degrees.</span></p><p =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Run the =
motor at
2000 rpm=E2=80=99s for another 1minute temperature drops to 194 =
degrees.</span></p><p =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Turn =
motor off
and in a total of 27 minutes from startup - heat soak is 208 =
degrees.</span></p><p =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">All this =
is
recorded from temporary mechanical temperature gauge located under
dash.</span></p><p =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">The car
temperature at any speed is at 174 degrees regardless of the outside =
ambient
temperature from 50=E2=80=99s to mid 90=E2=80=99s.</span></p><p =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Whew, =
maybe at
last can enjoy car with a couple of things still outstanding to be able =
to drive
it out of town for any distance.<span class=3D"">&nbsp; </span>The =
Tiger=E2=80=99s first major
outing was at the Sandhills Motoring Festival held in Pinehurst NC last =
month in
May =E2=80=93 you can get a glimpse of the cars at:<span class=3D"">&nbsp;=
 </span><a =
href=3D"https://www.thepilot.com/gallery/concours-in-the-village/collectio=
n_d49fdacc-8091-11e9-86df-2b8021a08259.html" rel=3D"nofollow" =
target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">https://www.thepilot.com/gallery/concours-in-the-village/collec=
tion_d49fdacc-8091-11e9-86df-2b8021a08259.html</a><span class=3D"">&nbsp;
</span>You might have to copy and paste link into your =
browser.</span></p><p =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Thank you =
all
for putting up with all my inane questions and comments over the =
years.&nbsp; I
am sure there will be more.<br class=3D""></span></p><p =
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3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span =
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3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Regards</sp=
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From: Gary via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2019 19:26:17 +0000 (UTC)

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Jim B is correct. Thermostats only determine the lowest temp, not the highe=
st. Once a thermostat fully opens, the water flows at the same rate as any =
other thermostat, regardless of the temp rating. Even if you removed the th=
ermostat, the engine would still over heat on a hot day, and on a cold day =
it would never get to operating temp.
A 160* thermostat is too cold to properly heat the oil for transfer of depo=
sits from the engine to the oil filter. See pic lower left. This is my pres=
ent Tiger when I bought it. The owner had overheating problems and changed =
to a lower temp thermostat. You can see the sludge buildup that gathered on=
 top of the block in the lifter valley. The inside of the valve covers was =
the same.
Gary
      From: Jim B via Tigers <[email-masked]>
 To: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>=20
 Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 12:08 PM
 Subject: [Tigers] Cooling and thermostat
  =20
The only thing a 160 stat will do is open up sooner. If your engine wants t=
o run at 195, it will no matter what stat is in it. The issue with a 160 is=
 that if it is a cold day, your engine may never get over 160 which is IMO =
too cold. The flow rate of a 160 and a 180 stat is the same. 2 cents

On Jun 20, 2019, at 10:57 AM, Jay Laifman via Tigers <[email-masked]=
> wrote:
Your email did not have a link to an article about 160* thermostats.=C2=A0 =
But I did a quick search myself.=C2=A0 I came up with a bunch of guys warni=
ng that 160* is too low, which makes the engine run too cold, and the oil n=
ot heat up enough.=C2=A0 That's true by half.=C2=A0 The other half is inter=
net hogwash.=C2=A0 The half that is right is that running too cold is bad.=
=C2=A0 The half that is wrong is drawing a bright line on the thermostat.=
=C2=A0 Sure, if you have an otherwise bone stock engine and pop in a differ=
ent thermostat, you can create issues.=C2=A0 But the heat of the engine is =
also impacted by the size of the radiator, the material of the radiator, wh=
ether or not the radiator is black, the water pump speed, and the pulley si=
zes.=C2=A0 Water that runs too fast through the radiator doesn't have time =
to pull out heat from the water.=C2=A0 Water that runs too fast through the=
 engine, doesn't have time to pull out heat from the block.=C2=A0 Water tha=
t runs too slow, doesn't pull the heat out of the engine fast enough.=C2=A0=
 So changing any one part in that system effects the rest of the system.=C2=
=A0 It could be because of OTHER changes, the engine now needs a 160* therm=
ostat to flow the water at the right speed at the right time.=C2=A0 Therefo=
re, the test is how your engine is cooling.=C2=A0 It is not if or if not yo=
u have a 160* thermostat.
Off soap box.

On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 7:55 AM Dave Munroe via Tigers <[email-masked]=
et> wrote:

Hi Joel;
congratulations on getting your Tiger to run cool!
I, like many other Tiger owners, have tramped down this overheating path fo=
r many years, and most of us have found the solution more or less in the sa=
me way you have done.
In my personal search for Tiger temperature nirvana, I came across this ver=
y interesting article regarding 160F Thermostats.You might want to re-consi=
der your choice of thermostats.=C2=A0=C2=[email-masked]=C2=A0
In another specialty car I run regularly, I had a similar problem, and corr=
ected it in a similar manner.=C2=A0 However, on this car I installed an oil=
 pan temperature gauge, and found it very difficult to get the engine oil u=
p beyond 180F. which I have not been able to remedy.=C2=A0The water tempera=
ture is very steady on this vehicle at 195F, regardless of the load on the =
engine.No way is the engine oil ever going to reach 220 deg to boil off the=
 H20 condensate in the crank case. Not sure what to do about this, besides =
changing the oil very frequently.

All

Joel
=20

=C2=A0 1. Re:=C2=A0 Tiger Overheating ? Shotgun Approach (Tom Witt)
I know this has been a long running problem for you. And as time moves on I=
can=E2=80=99t remember what has or hasn=E2=80=99t been said. Aside from the=
 obvious (cloggedradiator/engine, blades eroded off water pumps, air pocket=
s etc.) there havebeen other causes of high temperature readings:=C2=A01. T=
here might not actually be a problem with the cooling. Rather the voltage r=
egulator for the temp gauge may be defective and causing a higher thanactua=
l reading.=C2=A02. The lower radiator hose collapses. This typically happen=
s as the rpm=E2=80=99sincrease (so not an =E2=80=9Cat idle=E2=80=9D issue) =
the lower hose sucks in and pinches flow. Astainless steel spring set inter=
nal to the hose (many source this from a lawnsprinkler) prevents the collap=
se.=C2=A0The blocking plates and other means of preventing hot air recircul=
ation arehelpful.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve seen a flat sheet of aluminum between =
the lower section ofthe grill area and the radiator.=C2=A0 My understanding=
 of the air dam is thatit is more effective at speed. I was told it generat=
es a negative air pressureto draw air from the engine compartment.=C2=A0 I =
truly believe a shroud would bevery helpful. Otherwise to some extent you a=
re simply churning hot air alreadyunder the hood. A well fitting shroud wou=
ld ensure air is drawn externally. Asnoted others have found an electric pu=
sher fan helpful.=C2=A0In this day and age of the GoPro camera I think it w=
ould be interesting toto do the old school yarn application and observe wha=
t is actually going onunder the hood, under the car, and the external areas=
 such as the horn openingsand proposed air dam areas etc. A few well placed=
 homemade man-o-meters might beinformative too.=C2=A0Then there are the arg=
uments as to whether a high flow water pump pulls hotcoolant out of the eng=
ine faster (good) or pushes it too fast through theradiator (bad). Is coola=
nt good because it raises the boiling point, or badbecause it is less effic=
ient than straight water.=C2=A0 There are the peoplewith a stock cooling sy=
stem (and sometimes performance enhancements to the engine) that claim they=
 never have a heat issue in a hot climate and those incooler climates that =
have stock engines and every cooling enhancement known toTigerdom and they =
constantly have issues.=C2=A0In the end I hope you are successful and enjoy=
 a the summer driving yournow running cool Tiger.=C2=A0From: Joel Martin vi=
a Tigers Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 9:04 AMTo: Tiger List Serve Subject: =
[Tigers] Tiger Overheating =E2=80=93 ShotgunApproach=C2=A0After about a yea=
r of struggling with overheating at idle with the hooddown, I took drastic =
steps.=C2=A0 I have been driving the car during the last year only on back =
roads with no chance of traffic lights.=C2=A0
  =20
   - Purchased and installed SS gloss black radiator overflow tank.=20
   - Purchased and installed overflow tank straps from Alexander Washick=C2=
=[email-masked] which are powder coated.=20
   - Purchased and installed undersize water pump pulley from Robert Stragh=
an <[email-masked]> scuffed, primed and painted semi gloss black=20
   - Purchased and installed horn hole block plates from Don Lutjen <dlutje=
[email-masked]> scuffed, primed and painted semi gloss black.=20
   - Purchased and installed new taller Tiger aluminum cross flow side tank=
 radiator from Griffin Radiator.=20
   - Purchased and installed new Flow Kooler water pump BRA-1680 painted Fo=
rd dark blue to match engine replacing SS water pump, pressed hub to line u=
p.=20
   - Modified the mechanical fan spacer so that front of fan is 1=E2=80=9D =
from radiator.=20
   - Mechanical fan remains Flex-a-lite 14=E2=80=9D nylon 6 blade fan.=20
   - Purchased and installed new SS lower radiator and overflow to radiator=
 hoses.=20
   - New top radiator hose from local source as SS hose would not fit talle=
r radiator.=20
   - New fan belt.=20
   - Purchased and refurbished original Tiger fan shroud which would not fi=
t as I did not want to cut a original shroud top mounting bracket to fit my=
 taller radiator.=C2=A0 Stripped, primed and painted used shroud semi gloss=
 black =E2=80=93 sitting on shelf.=20
   - Installed 160 degree thermostat.
So at this pointI do not have a fan shroud =E2=80=93 unless make up a custo=
m.=C2=A0 Otherchanges could make is front air dam and block front cross mem=
ber to bottom ofradiator spacing but for now I am going to see how things p=
lay out thissummer.Results asfollows:Cold start with86 degree ambient outsi=
de temperature =E2=80=93 at idle with hood closed, car insun.5 Minutes engi=
netemperature 174 degrees.9 Minutes enginetemperature 180 degrees.12 Minute=
sengine temperature 190 degrees.14 Minutesengine temperature 195 degrees.16=
 Minutesengine temperature 200 degrees.Run the motor at1500 rpm=E2=80=99s f=
or 1minute temperature drops to 196 degrees.Run the motor at2000 rpm=E2=80=
=99s for another 1minute temperature drops to 194 degrees.Turn motor offand=
 in a total of 27 minutes from startup - heat soak is 208 degrees.All this =
isrecorded from temporary mechanical temperature gauge located underdash.Th=
e cartemperature at any speed is at 174 degrees regardless of the outside a=
mbienttemperature from 50=E2=80=99s to mid 90=E2=80=99s.Whew, maybe atlast =
can enjoy car with a couple of things still outstanding to be able to drive=
it out of town for any distance.=C2=A0 The Tiger=E2=80=99s first majoroutin=
g was at the Sandhills Motoring Festival held in Pinehurst NC last month in=
May =E2=80=93 you can get a glimpse of the cars at:=C2=A0 https://www.thepi=
lot.com/gallery/concours-in-the-village/collection_d49fdacc-8091-11e9-86df-=
2b8021a08259.html=C2=A0You might have to copy and paste link into your brow=
ser.Thank you allfor putting up with all my inane questions and comments ov=
er the years.=C2=A0 Iam sure there will be more.
RegardsJoelMartin=C2=A0
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<html><head></head><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; f=
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-size:16px"><div><span></span></div><div class=3D"qtdSeparateBR" id=3D"yui_=
3_16_0_ym19_1_1561057888931_3676">Jim B is correct. Thermostats only determ=
ine the lowest temp, not the highest. Once a thermostat fully opens, the wa=
ter flows at the same rate as any other thermostat, regardless of the temp =
rating. Even if you removed the thermostat, the engine would still over hea=
t on a hot day, and on a cold day it would never get to operating temp.</di=
v><div class=3D"qtdSeparateBR" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1561057888931_3674">=
<br></div><div class=3D"qtdSeparateBR" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_156105788893=
1_3689">A 160* thermostat is too cold to properly heat the oil for transfer=
 of deposits from the engine to the oil filter. See pic lower left. This is=
 my present Tiger when I bought it. The owner had overheating problems and =
changed to a lower temp thermostat. You can see the sludge buildup that gat=
hered on top of the block in the lifter valley. The inside of the valve cov=
ers was the same.</div><div class=3D"qtdSeparateBR" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1=
_1561057888931_3705"><br></div><div class=3D"qtdSeparateBR">Gary<br></div><=
div class=3D"yahoo_quoted" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1561057888931_3315" styl=
e=3D"display: block;">  <div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1561057888931_3314" st=
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erif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1561057888931_3313" s=
tyle=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucid=
a Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_15610=
57888931_3312" dir=3D"ltr"> <font id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1561057888931_333=
5" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"> <hr size=3D"1" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_156105=
7888931_3334"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Jim B=
 via Tigers &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight=
: bold;">To:</span></b> "[email-masked]" &lt;[email-masked]&g=
t; <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, Ju=
ne 20, 2019 12:08 PM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</sp=
an></b> [Tigers] Cooling and thermostat<br> </font> </div> <div class=3D"y_=
msg_container" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1561057888931_3337"><br><div id=3D"y=
iv0129771918"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1561057888931_3336">The only thi=
ng a 160 stat will do is open up sooner. If your engine wants to run at 195=
, it will no matter what stat is in it. The issue with a 160 is that if it =
is a cold day, your engine may never get over 160 which is IMO too cold. Th=
e flow rate of a 160 and a 180 stat is the same. 2 cents<br class=3D"yiv012=
9771918" clear=3D"none"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1561057888931_3342"><b=
r class=3D"yiv0129771918" clear=3D"none"><blockquote class=3D"yiv0129771918=
" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1561057888931_3341" type=3D"cite"><div class=3D"y=
iv0129771918yqt1684575722" id=3D"yiv0129771918yqtfd92723"><div class=3D"yiv=
0129771918">On Jun 20, 2019, at 10:57 AM, Jay Laifman via Tigers &lt;<a cla=
ss=3D"yiv0129771918" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank=
" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class=3D"yiv0129771918Apple-i=
nterchange-newline" clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv0129771918" id=3D=
"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1561057888931_3340"><div class=3D"yiv0129771918yqt168457=
5722" id=3D"yiv0129771918yqtfd53300"><div class=3D"yiv0129771918" id=3D"yui=
_3_16_0_ym19_1_1561057888931_3339" dir=3D"ltr">Your email did not have a li=
nk to an article about 160* thermostats.&nbsp; But I did a quick search mys=
elf.&nbsp; I came up with a bunch of guys warning that 160* is too low, whi=
ch makes the engine run too cold, and the oil not heat up enough.&nbsp; Tha=
t's true by half.&nbsp; The other half is internet hogwash.&nbsp; The half =
that is right is that running too cold is bad.&nbsp; The half that is wrong=
 is drawing a bright line on the thermostat.&nbsp; Sure, if you have an oth=
erwise bone stock engine and pop in a different thermostat, you can create =
issues.&nbsp; But the heat of the engine is also impacted by the size of th=
e radiator, the material of the radiator, whether or not the radiator is bl=
ack, the water pump speed, and the pulley sizes.&nbsp; Water that runs too =
fast through the radiator doesn't have time to pull out heat from the water=
.&nbsp; Water that runs too fast through the engine, doesn't have time to p=
ull out heat from the block.&nbsp; Water that runs too slow, doesn't pull t=
he heat out of the engine fast enough.&nbsp; So changing any one part in th=
at system effects the rest of the system.&nbsp; It could be because of OTHE=
R changes, the engine now needs a 160* thermostat to flow the water at the =
right speed at the right time.&nbsp; Therefore, the test is how your engine=
 is cooling.&nbsp; It is not if or if not you have a 160* thermostat.<div c=
lass=3D"yiv0129771918" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1561057888931_3376"><br clas=
s=3D"yiv0129771918" clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv0129771918" id=3D=
"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1561057888931_3338">Off soap box.</div><div class=3D"yiv=
0129771918"><br class=3D"yiv0129771918" clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"=
yiv0129771918"><br class=3D"yiv0129771918" clear=3D"none"></div></div><br c=
lass=3D"yiv0129771918" clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail_quot=
e" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1561057888931_3344"><div class=3D"yiv0129771918g=
mail_attr" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1561057888931_3343" dir=3D"ltr">On Thu, =
Jun 20, 2019 at 7:55 AM Dave Munroe via Tigers &lt;<a class=3D"yiv012977191=
8" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow"=
 shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked].=
net</a>&gt; wrote:<br class=3D"yiv0129771918" clear=3D"none"></div><blockqu=
ote class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail_quote" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_156105788893=
1_3347" style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-=
color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid=
;"><div class=3D"yiv0129771918" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1561057888931_3346"=
 dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail_default" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym1=
9_1_1561057888931_3696" style=3D"font-family: tahoma, sans-serif; font-size=
: small;">Hi Joel;</div><div class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail_default" style=3D"=
font-family: tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><br class=3D"yiv0129771=
918" clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail_default" style=
=3D"font-family: tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: small;">congratulations on =
getting your Tiger to run cool!</div><div class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail_defau=
lt" style=3D"font-family: tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><br class=
=3D"yiv0129771918" clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail_de=
fault" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1561057888931_3351" style=3D"font-family: ta=
homa, sans-serif; font-size: small;">I, like many other Tiger owners, have =
tramped down this overheating path for many years, and most of us have foun=
d the solution more or less in the same way you have done.</div><div class=
=3D"yiv0129771918gmail_default" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1561057888931_3350"=
 style=3D"font-family: tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><br class=3D"=
yiv0129771918" clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail_defaul=
t" style=3D"font-family: tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: small;">In my perso=
nal search for Tiger temperature nirvana, I came across this very interesti=
ng article regarding 160F Thermostats.</div><div class=3D"yiv0129771918gmai=
l_default" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1561057888931_3349" style=3D"font-family=
: tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: small;">You might want to re-consider your=
 choice of thermostats.&nbsp;&nbsp;<a class=3D"yiv0129771918" href=3D"mailt=
o:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymai=
lto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><span class=3D"yiv012=
9771918">&nbsp;</span></div><div class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail_default" id=3D=
"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1561057888931_3348" style=3D"font-family: tahoma, sans-s=
erif; font-size: small;"><span class=3D"yiv0129771918"><br class=3D"yiv0129=
771918" clear=3D"none"></span></div><div class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail_defaul=
t" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1561057888931_3345" style=3D"font-family: tahoma=
, sans-serif; font-size: small;">In another specialty car I run regularly, =
I had a similar problem, and corrected it in a similar manner.&nbsp; Howeve=
r, on this car I installed an oil pan temperature gauge, and found it very =
difficult to get the engine oil up beyond 180F. which I have not been able =
to remedy.&nbsp;The water temperature is very steady on this vehicle at 195=
F, regardless of the load on the engine.No way is the engine oil ever going=
 to reach 220 deg to boil off the H20 condensate in the crank case. Not sur=
e what to do about this, besides changing the oil very frequently.<br class=
=3D"yiv0129771918" clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail_de=
fault" style=3D"font-family: tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><br cla=
ss=3D"yiv0129771918" clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail_=
default" style=3D"font-family: tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: small;">Just =
some interesting info, FWIW.</div><div class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail_default"=
 id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1561057888931_3704" style=3D"font-family: tahoma, =
sans-serif; font-size: small;"><br class=3D"yiv0129771918" clear=3D"none"><=
/div><div class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail_default" style=3D"font-family: tahoma=
, sans-serif; font-size: small;">Cheers,</div><div class=3D"yiv0129771918gm=
ail_default" style=3D"font-family: tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><=
br class=3D"yiv0129771918" clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv0129771918=
gmail_default" style=3D"font-family: tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: small;"=
>Dave Munroe B382000450LRXFE<br class=3D"yiv0129771918" clear=3D"none"></di=
v></div><br class=3D"yiv0129771918" clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"yiv0129771=
918gmail_quote" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1561057888931_3702"><div class=3D"y=
iv0129771918gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 at 16:25, Joel Mart=
in via Tigers &lt;<a class=3D"yiv0129771918" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
am.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto=
:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br class=3D"yi=
v0129771918" clear=3D"none"></div><blockquote class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail_q=
uote" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1561057888931_3701" style=3D"margin: 0px 0px =
0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border=
-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;"><div class=3D"yiv0129771918" i=
d=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1561057888931_3700"><div class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail=
-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432312367385220470=
4ydp3a600384yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family: garamond,;"><div class=
=3D"yiv0129771918">All<br class=3D"yiv0129771918" clear=3D"none"><div class=
=3D"yiv0129771918"><br class=3D"yiv0129771918" clear=3D"none"><div class=3D=
"yiv0129771918"><div class=3D"yiv0129771918"><div class=3D"yiv0129771918">T=
hanks for the responses.&nbsp; I am personally PLEASED with the changes tha=
t I have made.&nbsp; 16 minutes at idle to reach 200 degrees or 11 minutes =
to go from 174 when running to 200 degrees, I think is pretty good, at leas=
t based on my previous experience with idle temps rising.&nbsp; This allows=
 me to drive the car in most any and all conditions.&nbsp; <br class=3D"yiv=
0129771918" clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"yiv0129771918"><br class=3D"yiv012=
9771918" clear=3D"none">I guess from the responses you all do not think so =
- maybe I am missing something - would not be the first time.&nbsp; I do li=
ve out in the country with around only 90K people in the county so not much=
 city driving.</div></div><div class=3D"yiv0129771918"><br class=3D"yiv0129=
771918" clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"yiv0129771918">The water pump upgrade =
was made more for reducing possible air cavitation or pockets of air than t=
he higher flow of water.<br class=3D"yiv0129771918" clear=3D"none"><div cla=
ss=3D"yiv0129771918"><br class=3D"yiv0129771918" clear=3D"none"><div class=
=3D"yiv0129771918">No restrictor in upper hose at this point - tried in the=
 past and removed it - did not seem to make a difference.<br class=3D"yiv01=
29771918" clear=3D"none">Running 50/50 green antifreeze and 16 psi cap.&nbs=
p; <br class=3D"yiv0129771918" clear=3D"none"></div></div></div></div></div=
><div class=3D"yiv0129771918"><br class=3D"yiv0129771918" clear=3D"none">Jo=
el<br class=3D"yiv0129771918" clear=3D"none"></div></div></div></div><div c=
lass=3D"yiv0129771918"></div>
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        </div><div class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m=
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                <div class=3D"yiv0129771918">
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..."<br class=3D"yiv0129771918" clear=3D"none"></div>Today's Topics:<br cla=
ss=3D"yiv0129771918" clear=3D"none"><br class=3D"yiv0129771918" clear=3D"no=
ne">&nbsp;  1. Re:&nbsp; Tiger Overheating ? Shotgun Approach (Tom Witt)<br=
 class=3D"yiv0129771918" clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail-m_=
1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704yd=
p2605580cymsg9944149083" id=3D"yiv0129771918gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmai=
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<div class=3D"yiv0129771918" dir=3D"ltr">
<div class=3D"yiv0129771918" style=3D"font-family: Calibri; font-size: 12pt=
;">
<div class=3D"yiv0129771918">I know this has been a long running problem fo=
r you. And as time moves on I
can=E2=80=99t remember what has or hasn=E2=80=99t been said. Aside from the=
 obvious (clogged
radiator/engine, blades eroded off water pumps, air pockets etc.) there hav=
e
been other causes of high temperature readings:</div>
<div class=3D"yiv0129771918">&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"yiv0129771918">1. There might not actually be a problem with =
the cooling. Rather the=20
voltage regulator for the temp gauge may be defective and causing a higher =
than
actual reading.</div>
<div class=3D"yiv0129771918">&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"yiv0129771918">2. The lower radiator hose collapses. This typ=
ically happens as the rpm=E2=80=99s
increase (so not an =E2=80=9Cat idle=E2=80=9D issue) the lower hose sucks i=
n and pinches flow. A
stainless steel spring set internal to the hose (many source this from a la=
wn
sprinkler) prevents the collapse.</div>
<div class=3D"yiv0129771918">&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"yiv0129771918">The blocking plates and other means of prevent=
ing hot air recirculation are
helpful.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99ve seen a flat sheet of aluminum between the lower=
 section of
the grill area and the radiator.&nbsp; My understanding of the air dam is t=
hat
it is more effective at speed. I was told it generates a negative air press=
ure
to draw air from the engine compartment.&nbsp; I truly believe a shroud wou=
ld be
very helpful. Otherwise to some extent you are simply churning hot air alre=
ady
under the hood. A well fitting shroud would ensure air is drawn externally.=
 As
noted others have found an electric pusher fan helpful.</div>
<div class=3D"yiv0129771918">&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"yiv0129771918">In this day and age of the GoPro camera I thin=
k it would be interesting to
to do the old school yarn application and observe what is actually going on
under the hood, under the car, and the external areas such as the horn open=
ings
and proposed air dam areas etc. A few well placed homemade man-o-meters mig=
ht be
informative too.</div>
<div class=3D"yiv0129771918">&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"yiv0129771918">Then there are the arguments as to whether a h=
igh flow water pump pulls hot
coolant out of the engine faster (good) or pushes it too fast through the
radiator (bad). Is coolant good because it raises the boiling point, or bad
because it is less efficient than straight water.&nbsp; There are the peopl=
e
with a stock cooling system (and sometimes performance enhancements to the=
=20
engine) that claim they never have a heat issue in a hot climate and those =
in
cooler climates that have stock engines and every cooling enhancement known=
 to
Tigerdom and they constantly have issues.</div>
<div class=3D"yiv0129771918">&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"yiv0129771918">In the end I hope you are successful and enjoy=
 a the summer driving your
now running cool Tiger.</div>
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l; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; text-decoration: none; display:=
 inline;">
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oma; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; font-stretch=
: normal;">
<div class=3D"yiv0129771918"><font class=3D"yiv0129771918" face=3D"Calibri"=
 size=3D"3"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"yiv0129771918" style=3D"background-image: none; background-re=
peat: repeat; background-size: auto; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245);"=
<div class=3D"yiv0129771918"><b class=3D"yiv0129771918">From:</b> <a title=
=3D"[email-masked]" class=3D"yiv0129771918" href=3D"mailto:tigers@au=
tox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"=
mailto:[email-masked]">Joel Martin via Tigers</a> </div>
<div class=3D"yiv0129771918"><b class=3D"yiv0129771918">Sent:</b> Tuesday, =
June 18, 2019 9:04 AM</div>
<div class=3D"yiv0129771918"><b class=3D"yiv0129771918">To:</b> <a title=3D=
"[email-masked]" class=3D"yiv0129771918" href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox=
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lto:[email-masked]">Tiger List Serve</a> </div>
<div class=3D"yiv0129771918"><b class=3D"yiv0129771918">Subject:</b> [Tiger=
s] Tiger Overheating =E2=80=93 Shotgun
Approach</div></div></div>
<div class=3D"yiv0129771918">&nbsp;</div></div>
<div class=3D"yiv0129771918" style=3D"font-family: Calibri; font-size: smal=
l; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; text-decoration: none; display:=
 inline;">
<div class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808=
230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624yahoo-style-wrap" =
style=3D"font-family: garamond,; font-size: 16px;">
<div class=3D"yiv0129771918">
<div class=3D"yiv0129771918">After about a year of struggling with overheat=
ing at idle with the hood
down, I took drastic steps.<span class=3D"yiv0129771918">&nbsp; </span>I ha=
ve been driving the car=20
during the last year only on back roads with no chance of traffic lights.
<div class=3D"yiv0129771918">&nbsp;<br class=3D"yiv0129771918webkit-block-p=
laceholder" clear=3D"none"></div>
<ol class=3D"yiv0129771918" type=3D"1" style=3D"margin-top: 0in; list-style=
-position: inside;"><li class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail-m_1692682837433975503gm=
ail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv736126162=
4ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal">Purchased and installed SS gloss black radiator
  overflow tank.
  </li><li class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025=
642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0M=
soNormal">Purchased and installed overflow tank straps
  from <span class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-1240=
25642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb=
0dfrtlirtlidzssg">Alexander Washick</span><span class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail=
-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432312367385220470=
4ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">&nbsp;<a class=3D"yiv012977=
1918" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" =
shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> w=
hich are powder
  coated.</span>
  </li><li class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025=
642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0M=
soNormal"><span class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-1=
24025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9=
ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Purchased and
  installed undersize water pump pulley from </span><span class=3D"yiv01297=
71918gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_43231236=
73852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0dfrtlirtlidzssg">Robert Strag=
han</span><span class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-1=
24025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9=
ecb0uncz1vrpvf"> &lt;<a class=3D"yiv0129771918" href=3D"mailto:rgstraghan@y=
ahoo.ca" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailt=
o:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; scuffed, primed and
  painted semi gloss black</span>
  </li><li class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025=
642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0M=
soNormal"><span class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-1=
24025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9=
ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Purchased and
  installed horn hole block plates from </span><span class=3D"yiv0129771918=
gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852=
204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0dfrtlirtlidzssg">Don Lutjen</span>=
<span class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-12402564280=
8230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1v=
rpvf"> &lt;<a class=3D"yiv0129771918" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" t=
arget=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:dlutjen5=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; scuffed, primed and
  painted semi gloss black.</span>
  </li><li class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025=
642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0M=
soNormal"><span class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-1=
24025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9=
ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Purchased and
  installed new taller Tiger aluminum cross flow side tank radiator from Gr=
iffin
  Radiator.</span>
  </li><li class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025=
642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0M=
soNormal"><span class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-1=
24025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9=
ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Purchased and
  installed new Flow Kooler water pump BRA-1680 painted Ford dark blue to m=
atch
  engine replacing SS water pump, pressed hub to line up.</span>
  </li><li class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025=
642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0M=
soNormal"><span class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-1=
24025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9=
ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Modified the
  mechanical fan spacer so that front of fan is 1=E2=80=9D from radiator.</=
span>
  </li><li class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025=
642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0M=
soNormal"><span class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-1=
24025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9=
ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Mechanical
  fan remains Flex-a-lite 14=E2=80=9D nylon 6 blade fan.</span>
  </li><li class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025=
642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0M=
soNormal"><span class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-1=
24025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9=
ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Purchased and
  installed new SS lower radiator and overflow to radiator hoses.</span>
  </li><li class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025=
642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0M=
soNormal"><span class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-1=
24025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9=
ecb0uncz1vrpvf">New top
  radiator hose from local source as SS hose would not fit taller
  radiator.</span>
  </li><li class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025=
642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0M=
soNormal"><span class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-1=
24025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9=
ecb0uncz1vrpvf">New fan
  belt.</span>
  </li><li class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025=
642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0M=
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24025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9=
ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Purchased and
  refurbished original Tiger fan shroud which would not fit as I did not wa=
nt to
  cut a original shroud top mounting bracket to fit my taller
  radiator.<span class=3D"yiv0129771918">&nbsp; </span>Stripped, primed and=
 painted used shroud semi
  gloss black =E2=80=93 sitting on shelf.</span>
  </li><li class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025=
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24025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9=
ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Installed 160
  degree thermostat.</span></li></ol><div class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail-m_169=
2682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp26=
05580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail-=
m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704=
ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">So at this point
I do not have a fan shroud =E2=80=93 unless make up a custom.<span class=3D=
"yiv0129771918">&nbsp; </span>Other
changes could make is front air dam and block front cross member to bottom =
of
radiator spacing but for now I am going to see how things play out this
summer.</span></div><div class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail-m_1692682837433975503g=
mail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv73612616=
24ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail-m_169268283743397=
5503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv736=
1261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Results as
follows:</span></div><div class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail-m_1692682837433975503=
gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261=
624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail-m_16926828374339=
75503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv73=
61261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Cold start with
86 degree ambient outside temperature =E2=80=93 at idle with hood closed, c=
ar in
sun.</span></div><div class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmai=
l-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624y=
dp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail-m_169268283743397550=
3gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv736126=
1624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">5 Minutes engine
temperature 174 degrees.</span></div><div class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail-m_169=
2682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp26=
05580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail-=
m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704=
ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">9 Minutes engine
temperature 180 degrees.</span></div><div class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail-m_169=
2682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp26=
05580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail-=
m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704=
ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">12 Minutes
engine temperature 190 degrees.</span></div><div class=3D"yiv0129771918gmai=
l-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_43231236738522047=
04ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yiv012977191=
8gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432312367385=
2204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">14 Minutes
engine temperature 195 degrees.</span></div><div class=3D"yiv0129771918gmai=
l-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_43231236738522047=
04ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yiv012977191=
8gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432312367385=
2204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">16 Minutes
engine temperature 200 degrees.</span></div><div class=3D"yiv0129771918gmai=
l-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_43231236738522047=
04ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yiv012977191=
8gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432312367385=
2204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Run the motor at
1500 rpm=E2=80=99s for 1minute temperature drops to 196 degrees.</span></di=
v><div class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-1240256428=
08230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNo=
rmal"><span class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-12402=
5642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0=
uncz1vrpvf">Run the motor at
2000 rpm=E2=80=99s for another 1minute temperature drops to 194 degrees.</s=
pan></div><div class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-12=
4025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9e=
cb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-=
m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp=
4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Turn motor off
and in a total of 27 minutes from startup - heat soak is 208 degrees.</span=
></div><div class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-12402=
5642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0=
MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-=
124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac=
9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">All this is
recorded from temporary mechanical temperature gauge located under
dash.</span></div><div class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail-m_1692682837433975503gma=
il-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624=
ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail-m_16926828374339755=
03gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv73612=
61624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">The car
temperature at any speed is at 174 degrees regardless of the outside ambien=
t
temperature from 50=E2=80=99s to mid 90=E2=80=99s.</span></div><div class=
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class=3D"yiv0129771918gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-12402564280823008=
3gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">=
Whew, maybe at
last can enjoy car with a couple of things still outstanding to be able to =
drive
it out of town for any distance.<span class=3D"yiv0129771918">&nbsp; </span=
>The Tiger=E2=80=99s first major
outing was at the Sandhills Motoring Festival held in Pinehurst NC last mon=
th in
May =E2=80=93 you can get a glimpse of the cars at:<span class=3D"yiv012977=
1918">&nbsp; </span><a class=3D"yiv0129771918" href=3D"https://www.thepilot=
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642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0u=
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