Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Overheating – Shotgun Approach

From: Joel Martin via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 16:04:52 +0000 (UTC)

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After about a year of struggling with overheating at idlewith the hood down=
, I took drastic steps.=C2=A0I have been driving the car during the last ye=
ar only on back roads withno chance of traffic lights.
=C2=A0
  =20
   - Purchased and installed SS gloss black radiator overflow tank.
   - Purchased and installed overflow tank straps from Alexander Washick=C2=
=[email-masked] which are powder coated.
   - Purchased and installed undersize water pump pulley from Robert Stragh=
an=C2=A0<[email-masked]> scuffed, primed and painted semi gloss black
   - Purchased and installed horn hole block plates from Don Lutjen=C2=A0<d=
[email-masked]> scuffed, primed and painted semi gloss black.
   - Purchased and installed new taller Tiger aluminum cross flow side tank=
 radiator from Griffin Radiator.
   - Purchased and installed new Flow Kooler water pump BRA-1680 painted Fo=
rd dark blue to match engine replacing SS water pump, pressed hub to line u=
p.
   - Modified the mechanical fan spacer so that front of fan is 1=E2=80=9D =
from radiator.
   - Mechanical fan remains Flex-a-lite 14=E2=80=9D nylon 6 blade fan.
   - Purchased and installed new SS lower radiator and overflow to radiator=
 hoses.
   - New top radiator hose from local source as SS hose would not fit talle=
r radiator.
   - New fan belt.
   - Purchased and refurbished original Tiger fan shroud which would not fi=
t as I did not want to cut a original shroud top mounting bracket to fit my=
 taller radiator.=C2=A0 Stripped, primed and painted used shroud semi gloss=
 black =E2=80=93 sitting on shelf.
   - Installed 160 degree thermostat.

So at this point I do not have a fanshroud =E2=80=93 unless make up a custo=
m.=C2=A0 Otherchanges could make is front air dam and block front cross mem=
ber to bottom ofradiator spacing but for now I am going to see how things p=
lay out this summer.

Results as follows:

Cold start with 86 degree ambientoutside temperature =E2=80=93 at idle with=
 hood closed, car in sun.

5 Minutes engine temperature 174degrees.

9 Minutes engine temperature 180degrees.

12 Minutes engine temperature 190degrees.

14 Minutes engine temperature 195degrees.

16 Minutes engine temperature 200degrees.

Run the motor at 1500 rpm=E2=80=99s for1minute temperature drops to 196 deg=
rees.

Run the motor at 2000 rpm=E2=80=99s foranother 1minute temperature drops to=
 194 degrees.

Turn motor off and in a total of 27minutes from startup - heat soak is 208 =
degrees.

All this is recorded from temporarymechanical temperature gauge located und=
er dash.

The car temperature at any speed isat 174 degrees regardless of the outside=
 ambient temperature from 50=E2=80=99s to mid90=E2=80=99s.

Whew, maybe at last can enjoy carwith a couple of things still outstanding =
to be able to drive it out of townfor any distance.=C2=A0 The Tiger=E2=80=
=99s firstmajor outing was at the Sandhills Motoring Festival held in Pineh=
urst NC lastmonth in May =E2=80=93 you can get a glimpse of the cars at:=C2=
=A0 https://www.thepilot.com/gallery/concours-in-the-village/collection_d49=
fdacc-8091-11e9-86df-2b8021a08259.html=C2=A0 You might have to copy and pas=
te link intoyour browser.

Thank you all for putting up with allmy inane questions and comments over t=
he years.=C2=A0 I am sure there will be more.

Regards

Joel Martin

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

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</xml><![endif]-->After about a year of struggling with overheating at idle
with the hood down, I took drastic steps.<span>&nbsp;
</span>I have been driving the car during the last year only on back roads =
with
no chance of traffic lights.

<p class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>

<ol style=3D"margin-top:0in;list-style-position: inside" start=3D"1" type=
=3D"1"><li class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal">Purchased
     and installed SS gloss black radiator overflow tank.</li><li class=3D"=
ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal">Purchased
     and installed overflow tank straps from <span class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0dfrt=
lirtlidzssg">Alexander
     Washick</span><span class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">&nbsp;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
om</a> which are powder
     coated.</span></li><li class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"y=
dp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Purchased and installed undersize water pump pulley f=
rom </span><span class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0dfrtlirtlidzssg">Robert Straghan</span=
><span class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">&nbsp;&lt;[email-masked]&gt;
     scuffed, primed and painted semi gloss black</span></li><li class=3D"y=
dp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Purchased and in=
stalled horn hole block plates from </span><span class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0dfrtli=
rtlidzssg">Don Lutjen</span><span class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">&nbsp;&lt=
;[email-masked]&gt;
     scuffed, primed and painted semi gloss black.</span></li><li class=3D"=
ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Purchased and i=
nstalled new taller Tiger aluminum cross
     flow side tank radiator from Griffin Radiator.</span></li><li class=3D=
"ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Purchased and =
installed new Flow Kooler water pump
     BRA-1680 painted Ford dark blue to match engine replacing SS water pum=
p,
     pressed hub to line up.</span></li><li class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal">=
<span class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Modified the mechanical fan spacer so=
 that front of fan
     is 1=E2=80=9D from radiator.</span></li><li class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNor=
mal"><span class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Mechanical fan remains Flex-a-li=
te 14=E2=80=9D nylon 6 blade fan.</span></li><li class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNor=
mal"><span class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Purchased and installed new SS l=
ower radiator and
     overflow to radiator hoses.</span></li><li class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNorm=
al"><span class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">New top radiator hose from local =
source as SS hose would
     not fit taller radiator.</span></li><li class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"=
><span class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">New fan belt.</span></li><li class=
=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Purchased a=
nd refurbished original Tiger fan shroud which
     would not fit as I did not want to cut a original shroud top mounting
     bracket to fit my taller radiator.<span>&nbsp;
     </span>Stripped, primed and painted used shroud semi gloss black =E2=
=80=93 sitting
     on shelf.</span></li><li class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D=
"ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Installed 160 degree thermostat.</span></li></ol>

<p class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">So =
at this point I do not have a fan
shroud =E2=80=93 unless make up a custom.<span>&nbsp; </span>Other
changes could make is front air dam and block front cross member to bottom =
of
radiator spacing but for now I am going to see how things play out this sum=
mer.</span></p>

<p class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Res=
ults as follows:</span></p>

<p class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Col=
d start with 86 degree ambient
outside temperature =E2=80=93 at idle with hood closed, car in sun.</span><=
/p>

<p class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">5 M=
inutes engine temperature 174
degrees.</span></p>

<p class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">9 M=
inutes engine temperature 180
degrees.</span></p>

<p class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">12 =
Minutes engine temperature 190
degrees.</span></p>

<p class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">14 =
Minutes engine temperature 195
degrees.</span></p>

<p class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">16 =
Minutes engine temperature 200
degrees.</span></p>

<p class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Run=
 the motor at 1500 rpm=E2=80=99s for
1minute temperature drops to 196 degrees.</span></p>

<p class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Run=
 the motor at 2000 rpm=E2=80=99s for
another 1minute temperature drops to 194 degrees.</span></p>

<p class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Tur=
n motor off and in a total of 27
minutes from startup - heat soak is 208 degrees.</span></p>

<p class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">All=
 this is recorded from temporary
mechanical temperature gauge located under dash.</span></p>

<p class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">The=
 car temperature at any speed is
at 174 degrees regardless of the outside ambient temperature from 50=E2=80=
=99s to mid
90=E2=80=99s.</span></p>

<p class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Whe=
w, maybe at last can enjoy car
with a couple of things still outstanding to be able to drive it out of tow=
n
for any distance.<span>&nbsp; </span>The Tiger=E2=80=99s first
major outing was at the Sandhills Motoring Festival held in Pinehurst NC la=
st
month in May =E2=80=93 you can get a glimpse of the cars at:<span>&nbsp; </=
span><a href=3D"https://www.thepilot.com/gallery/concours-in-the-village/co=
llection_d49fdacc-8091-11e9-86df-2b8021a08259.html" rel=3D"nofollow" target=
=3D"_blank">https://www.thepilot.com/gallery/concours-in-the-village/collec=
tion_d49fdacc-8091-11e9-86df-2b8021a08259.html</a><span>&nbsp; </span>You m=
ight have to copy and paste link into
your browser.</span></p>

<p class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Tha=
nk you all for putting up with all
my inane questions and comments over the years.&nbsp; I am sure there will =
be more.<br></span></p>

<p class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Reg=
ards</span></p>

<p class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Joe=
l Martin</span></p>

<p class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>

<p class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>

<p class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">&nb=
sp;</span></p>

<p class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">&nb=
sp;</span></p>

<p class=3D"ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>

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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 16:41:10 +0000 (UTC)

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I'm betting you have more than stock HP.
 Regardless, you mention that when you are moving car stays cool, but heats=
 up when idling. This seems to indicate that if air is moving through radia=
tor that you can stay cool.=C2=A0 You didn't mention installing an electric=
 fan in front of the radiator.=C2=A0 This would give you moving air through=
 the radiator even when idling. You can set up with one large fan or 2 smal=
ler ones.=C2=A0 Get a sending unit that will turn them on whenever you want=
.....180 degrees, 190, etc.=C2=A0 Would also ask others what they have done=
 to use the stock fan shroud with the Griffin radiator. I think people have=
 found the solution for that.=C2=A0 Sounds like you have a solvable problem=
.Mark L.In a message dated 6/18/2019 12:08:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, tig=
[email-masked] writes:
After about a year of struggling with overheating at idle with the hood dow=
n, I took drastic steps.=C2=A0 I have been driving the car during the last =
year only on back roads with no chance of traffic lights.
=C2=A0
  =20
   - Purchased and installed SS gloss black radiator overflow tank.
   - Purchased and installed overflow tank straps from Alexander Washick=C2=
=[email-masked] which are powder coated.
   - Purchased and installed undersize water pump pulley from Robert Stragh=
an=C2=A0<[email-masked]> scuffed, primed and painted semi gloss black
   - Purchased and installed horn hole block plates from Don Lutjen=C2=A0<d=
[email-masked]> scuffed, primed and painted semi gloss black.
   - Purchased and installed new taller Tiger aluminum cross flow side tank=
 radiator from Griffin Radiator.
   - Purchased and installed new Flow Kooler water pump BRA-1680 painted Fo=
rd dark blue to match engine replacing SS water pump, pressed hub to line u=
p.
   - Modified the mechanical fan spacer so that front of fan is 1=E2=80=9D =
from radiator.
   - Mechanical fan remains Flex-a-lite 14=E2=80=9D nylon 6 blade fan.
   - Purchased and installed new SS lower radiator and overflow to radiator=
 hoses.
   - New top radiator hose from local source as SS hose would not fit talle=
r radiator.
   - New fan belt.
   - Purchased and refurbished original Tiger fan shroud which would not fi=
t as I did not want to cut a original shroud top mounting bracket to fit my=
 taller radiator.=C2=A0 Stripped, primed and painted used shroud semi gloss=
 black =E2=80=93 sitting on shelf.
   - Installed 160 degree thermostat.

So at this point I do not have a fan shroud =E2=80=93 unless make up a cust=
om.=C2=A0 Other changes could make is front air dam and block front cross m=
ember to bottom of radiator spacing but for now I am going to see how thing=
s play out this summer.

Results as follows:

Cold start with 86 degree ambient outside temperature =E2=80=93 at idle wit=
h hood closed, car in sun.

5 Minutes engine temperature 174 degrees.

9 Minutes engine temperature 180 degrees.

12 Minutes engine temperature 190 degrees.

14 Minutes engine temperature 195 degrees.

16 Minutes engine temperature 200 degrees.

Run the motor at 1500 rpm=E2=80=99s for 1minute temperature drops to 196 de=
grees.

Run the motor at 2000 rpm=E2=80=99s for another 1minute temperature drops t=
o 194 degrees.

Turn motor off and in a total of 27 minutes from startup - heat soak is 208=
 degrees.

All this is recorded from temporary mechanical temperature gauge located un=
der dash.

The car temperature at any speed is at 174 degrees regardless of the outsid=
e ambient temperature from 50=E2=80=99s to mid 90=E2=80=99s.

Whew, maybe at last can enjoy car with a couple of things still outstanding=
 to be able to drive it out of town for any distance.=C2=A0 The Tiger=E2=80=
=99s first major outing was at the Sandhills Motoring Festival held in Pine=
hurst NC last month in May =E2=80=93 you can get a glimpse of the cars at:=
=C2=A0 https://www.thepilot.com/gallery/concours-in-the-village/collection_=
d49fdacc-8091-11e9-86df-2b8021a08259.html=C2=A0 You might have to copy and =
paste link into your browser.

Thank you all for putting up with all my inane questions and comments over =
the years.=C2=A0 I am sure there will be more.

Regards

Joel Martin

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

[email-masked]

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<div class="userEdit" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000;"><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000;">I'm betting you have more than stock HP.<br></span></div>
<div class="userEdit" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000;"><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000;"> Regardless, you mention that when you are moving car stays cool, but heats up when idling. This seems to indicate that if air is moving through radiator that you can stay cool.&nbsp; You didn't mention installing an electric fan in front of the radiator.&nbsp; This would give you moving air through the radiator even when idling. You can set up with one large fan or 2 smaller ones.&nbsp; Get a sending unit that will turn them on whenever you want.....180 degrees, 190, etc.&nbsp; Would also ask others what they have done to use the stock fan shroud with the Griffin radiator. I think people have found the solution for that.&nbsp; Sounds like you have a solvable problem.</span></div>
<div class="userEdit" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000;"><span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000;">Mark L.</span></div>
<div>In a message dated 6/18/2019 12:08:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email-masked] writes:</div>
<div><br></div>
<div id="yiv8880091963">
<div>
<div class="yiv8880091963yahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family: garamond, new york, times, serif; font-size: 16px;">
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<div>After about a year of struggling with overheating at idle with the hood down, I took drastic steps.&nbsp; I have been driving the car during the last year only on back roads with no chance of traffic lights.
<p class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<ol style="margin-top: 0in; list-style-position: inside;" start="1" type="1">
<li class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal">Purchased and installed SS gloss black radiator overflow tank.</li>
<li class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal">Purchased and installed overflow tank straps from <span class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0dfrtlirtlidzssg">Alexander Washick</span><span class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">&nbsp;<a href="mailto:[email-masked]" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">[email-masked]</a> which are powder coated.</span></li>
<li class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Purchased and installed undersize water pump pulley from </span><span class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0dfrtlirtlidzssg">Robert Straghan</span><span class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">&nbsp;&lt;[email-masked]&gt; scuffed, primed and painted semi gloss black</span></li>
<li class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Purchased and installed horn hole block plates from </span><span class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0dfrtlirtlidzssg">Don Lutjen</span><span class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">&nbsp;&lt;[email-masked]&gt; scuffed, primed and painted semi gloss black.</span></li>
<li class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Purchased and installed new taller Tiger aluminum cross flow side tank radiator from Griffin Radiator.</span></li>
<li class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Purchased and installed new Flow Kooler water pump BRA-1680 painted Ford dark blue to match engine replacing SS water pump, pressed hub to line up.</span></li>
<li class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Modified the mechanical fan spacer so that front of fan is 1&rdquo; from radiator.</span></li>
<li class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Mechanical fan remains Flex-a-lite 14&rdquo; nylon 6 blade fan.</span></li>
<li class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Purchased and installed new SS lower radiator and overflow to radiator hoses.</span></li>
<li class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">New top radiator hose from local source as SS hose would not fit taller radiator.</span></li>
<li class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">New fan belt.</span></li>
<li class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Purchased and refurbished original Tiger fan shroud which would not fit as I did not want to cut a original shroud top mounting bracket to fit my taller radiator.&nbsp; Stripped, primed and painted used shroud semi gloss black &ndash; sitting on shelf.</span></li>
<li class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Installed 160 degree thermostat.</span></li>
</ol>
<p class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">So at this point I do not have a fan shroud &ndash; unless make up a custom.&nbsp; Other changes could make is front air dam and block front cross member to bottom of radiator spacing but for now I am going to see how things play out this summer.</span></p>
<p class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Results as follows:</span></p>
<p class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Cold start with 86 degree ambient outside temperature &ndash; at idle with hood closed, car in sun.</span></p>
<p class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">5 Minutes engine temperature 174 degrees.</span></p>
<p class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">9 Minutes engine temperature 180 degrees.</span></p>
<p class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">12 Minutes engine temperature 190 degrees.</span></p>
<p class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">14 Minutes engine temperature 195 degrees.</span></p>
<p class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">16 Minutes engine temperature 200 degrees.</span></p>
<p class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Run the motor at 1500 rpm&rsquo;s for 1minute temperature drops to 196 degrees.</span></p>
<p class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Run the motor at 2000 rpm&rsquo;s for another 1minute temperature drops to 194 degrees.</span></p>
<p class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Turn motor off and in a total of 27 minutes from startup - heat soak is 208 degrees.</span></p>
<p class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">All this is recorded from temporary mechanical temperature gauge located under dash.</span></p>
<p class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">The car temperature at any speed is at 174 degrees regardless of the outside ambient temperature from 50&rsquo;s to mid 90&rsquo;s.</span></p>
<p class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Whew, maybe at last can enjoy car with a couple of things still outstanding to be able to drive it out of town for any distance.&nbsp; The Tiger&rsquo;s first major outing was at the Sandhills Motoring Festival held in Pinehurst NC last month in May &ndash; you can get a glimpse of the cars at:&nbsp; <a href="https://www.thepilot.com/gallery/concours-in-the-village/collection_d49fdacc-8091-11e9-86df-2b8021a08259.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.thepilot.com/gallery/concours-in-the-village/collection_d49fdacc-8091-11e9-86df-2b8021a08259.html</a>&nbsp; You might have to copy and paste link into your browser.</span></p>
<p class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Thank you all for putting up with all my inane questions and comments over the years.&nbsp; I am sure there will be more.<br></span></p>
<p class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Regards</span></p>
<p class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Joel Martin</span></p>
<p class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class="yiv8880091963ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
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I know this has been a long running problem for you. And as time moves on I=
 can=E2=80=99t remember what has or hasn=E2=80=99t been said. Aside from th=
e obvious (clogged radiator/engine, blades eroded off water pumps, air pock=
ets etc.) there have been other causes of high temperature readings:

1. There might not actually be a problem with the cooling. Rather the volta=
ge regulator for the temp gauge may be defective and causing a higher than =
actual reading.

2. The lower radiator hose collapses. This typically happens as the rpm=E2=
=80=99s increase (so not an =E2=80=9Cat idle=E2=80=9D issue) the lower hose=
 sucks in and pinches flow. A stainless steel spring set internal to the ho=
se (many source this from a lawn sprinkler) prevents the collapse.

The blocking plates and other means of preventing hot air recirculation are=
 helpful.  I=E2=80=99ve seen a flat sheet of aluminum between the lower sec=
tion of the grill area and the radiator.  My understanding of the air dam i=
s that it is more effective at speed. I was told it generates a negative ai=
r pressure to draw air from the engine compartment.  I truly believe a shro=
ud would be very helpful. Otherwise to some extent you are simply churning =
hot air already under the hood. A well fitting shroud would ensure air is d=
rawn externally. As noted others have found an electric pusher fan helpful.=

In this day and age of the GoPro camera I think it would be interesting to =
to do the old school yarn application and observe what is actually going on=
 under the hood, under the car, and the external areas such as the horn ope=
nings and proposed air dam areas etc. A few well placed homemade man-o-mete=
rs might be informative too.

Then there are the arguments as to whether a high flow water pump pulls hot=
 coolant out of the engine faster (good) or pushes it too fast through the =
radiator (bad). Is coolant good because it raises the boiling point, or bad=
 because it is less efficient than straight water.  There are the people wi=
th a stock cooling system (and sometimes performance enhancements to the en=
gine) that claim they never have a heat issue in a hot climate and those in=
 cooler climates that have stock engines and every cooling enhancement know=
n to Tigerdom and they constantly have issues.

In the end I hope you are successful and enjoy a the summer driving your no=
w running cool Tiger.

From: Joel Martin via Tigers 
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 9:04 AM
To: Tiger List Serve 
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Overheating =E2=80=93 Shotgun Approach

After about a year of struggling with overheating at idle with the hood dow=
n, I took drastic steps.  I have been driving the car during the last year =
only on back roads with no chance of traffic lights. 

  1.. Purchased and installed SS gloss black radiator overflow tank. 
  2.. Purchased and installed overflow tank straps from Alexander Washick a=
[email-masked] which are powder coated. 
  3.. Purchased and installed undersize water pump pulley from Robert Strag=
han <[email-masked]> scuffed, primed and painted semi gloss black 
  4.. Purchased and installed horn hole block plates from Don Lutjen <dlutj=
[email-masked]> scuffed, primed and painted semi gloss black. 
  5.. Purchased and installed new taller Tiger aluminum cross flow side tan=
k radiator from Griffin Radiator. 
  6.. Purchased and installed new Flow Kooler water pump BRA-1680 painted F=
ord dark blue to match engine replacing SS water pump, pressed hub to line =
up. 
  7.. Modified the mechanical fan spacer so that front of fan is 1=E2=80=9D=
 from radiator. 
  8.. Mechanical fan remains Flex-a-lite 14=E2=80=9D nylon 6 blade fan. 
  9.. Purchased and installed new SS lower radiator and overflow to radiato=
r hoses. 
  10.. New top radiator hose from local source as SS hose would not fit tal=
ler radiator. 
  11.. New fan belt. 
  12.. Purchased and refurbished original Tiger fan shroud which would not =
fit as I did not want to cut a original shroud top mounting bracket to fit =
my taller radiator.  Stripped, primed and painted used shroud semi gloss bl=
ack =E2=80=93 sitting on shelf. 
  13.. Installed 160 degree thermostat.
So at this point I do not have a fan shroud =E2=80=93 unless make up a cust=
om.  Other changes could make is front air dam and block front cross member=
 to bottom of radiator spacing but for now I am going to see how things pla=
y out this summer.

Results as follows:

Whew, maybe at last can enjoy car with a couple of things still outstanding=
 to be able to drive it out of town for any distance.  The Tiger=E2=80=99s =
first major outing was at the Sandhills Motoring Festival held in Pinehurst=
 NC last month in May =E2=80=93 you can get a glimpse of the cars at:  http=
s://www.thepilot.com/gallery/concours-in-the-village/collection_d49fdacc-80=
91-11e9-86df-2b8021a08259.html  You might have to copy and paste link into =
your browser.

Thank you all for putting up with all my inane questions and comments over =
the years.  I am sure there will be more.

Regards

Joel Martin

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<DIV>I know this has been a long running problem for you. And as time moves=
 on I 
can=E2=80=99t remember what has or hasn=E2=80=99t been said. Aside from the=
 obvious (clogged 
radiator/engine, blades eroded off water pumps, air pockets etc.) there hav=
e 
been other causes of high temperature readings:</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>1. There might not actually be a problem with the cooling. Rather the =

voltage regulator for the temp gauge may be defective and causing a higher =
than 
actual reading.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>2. The lower radiator hose collapses. This typically happens as the rp=
m=E2=80=99s 
increase (so not an =E2=80=9Cat idle=E2=80=9D issue) the lower hose sucks i=
n and pinches flow. A 
stainless steel spring set internal to the hose (many source this from a la=
wn 
sprinkler) prevents the collapse.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>The blocking plates and other means of preventing hot air recirculatio=
n are 
helpful.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99ve seen a flat sheet of aluminum between the lower=
 section of 
the grill area and the radiator.&nbsp; My understanding of the air dam is t=
hat 
it is more effective at speed. I was told it generates a negative air press=
ure 
to draw air from the engine compartment.&nbsp; I truly believe a shroud wou=
ld be 
very helpful. Otherwise to some extent you are simply churning hot air alre=
ady 
under the hood. A well fitting shroud would ensure air is drawn externally.=
 As 
noted others have found an electric pusher fan helpful.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>In this day and age of the GoPro camera I think it would be interestin=
g to 
to do the old school yarn application and observe what is actually going on=
 
under the hood, under the car, and the external areas such as the horn open=
ings 
and proposed air dam areas etc. A few well placed homemade man-o-meters mig=
ht be 
informative too.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Then there are the arguments as to whether a high flow water pump pull=
s hot 
coolant out of the engine faster (good) or pushes it too fast through the 
radiator (bad). Is coolant good because it raises the boiling point, or bad=
 
because it is less efficient than straight water.&nbsp; There are the peopl=
e 
with a stock cooling system (and sometimes performance enhancements to the =

engine) that claim they never have a heat issue in a hot climate and those =
in 
cooler climates that have stock engines and every cooling enhancement known=
 to 
Tigerdom and they constantly have issues.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>In the end I hope you are successful and enjoy a the summer driving yo=
ur 
now running cool Tiger.</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=[email-masked].=
net 
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Joel Martin via Tigers</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, June 18, 2019 9:04 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=[email-masked] 
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Tiger List Serve</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> [Tigers] Tiger Overheating =E2=80=93 Shotgun 
Approach</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV>
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style=3D'FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"; F=
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 16px; FONT-FAMILY: garamond, new york, times, serif">
<DIV>
<DIV>After about a year of struggling with overheating at idle with the hoo=
d 
down, I took drastic steps.<SPAN>&nbsp; </SPAN>I have been driving the car =

during the last year only on back roads with no chance of traffic lights. 
<P class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal>&nbsp;</P>
<OL style=3D"LIST-STYLE-POSITION: inside; MARGIN-TOP: 0in" type=3D1>
  <LI class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal>Purchased and installed SS gloss black r=
adiator 
  overflow tank. 
  <LI class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal>Purchased and installed overflow tank st=
raps 
  from <SPAN class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0dfrtlirtlidzssg>Alexander Washick</SPAN><SP=
AN 
  class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf>&nbsp;<A href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =

  rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank>[email-masked]</A> which are powder 
  coated.</SPAN> 
  <LI class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal><SPAN class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf>Purc=
hased and 
  installed undersize water pump pulley from </SPAN><SPAN 
  class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0dfrtlirtlidzssg>Robert Straghan</SPAN><SPAN 
  class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf> &lt;[email-masked]&gt; scuffed, prime=
d and 
  painted semi gloss black</SPAN> 
  <LI class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal><SPAN class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf>Purc=
hased and 
  installed horn hole block plates from </SPAN><SPAN 
  class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0dfrtlirtlidzssg>Don Lutjen</SPAN><SPAN 
  class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf> &lt;[email-masked]&gt; scuffed, prime=
d and 
  painted semi gloss black.</SPAN> 
  <LI class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal><SPAN class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf>Purc=
hased and 
  installed new taller Tiger aluminum cross flow side tank radiator from Gr=
iffin 
  Radiator.</SPAN> 
  <LI class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal><SPAN class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf>Purc=
hased and 
  installed new Flow Kooler water pump BRA-1680 painted Ford dark blue to m=
atch 
  engine replacing SS water pump, pressed hub to line up.</SPAN> 
  <LI class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal><SPAN class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf>Modi=
fied the 
  mechanical fan spacer so that front of fan is 1=E2=80=9D from radiator.</=
SPAN> 
  <LI class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal><SPAN class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf>Mech=
anical 
  fan remains Flex-a-lite 14=E2=80=9D nylon 6 blade fan.</SPAN> 
  <LI class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal><SPAN class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf>Purc=
hased and 
  installed new SS lower radiator and overflow to radiator hoses.</SPAN> 
  <LI class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal><SPAN class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf>New =
top 
  radiator hose from local source as SS hose would not fit taller 
  radiator.</SPAN> 
  <LI class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal><SPAN class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf>New =
fan 
  belt.</SPAN> 
  <LI class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal><SPAN class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf>Purc=
hased and 
  refurbished original Tiger fan shroud which would not fit as I did not wa=
nt to 
  cut a original shroud top mounting bracket to fit my taller 
  radiator.<SPAN>&nbsp; </SPAN>Stripped, primed and painted used shroud sem=
i 
  gloss black =E2=80=93 sitting on shelf.</SPAN> 
  <LI class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal><SPAN class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf>Inst=
alled 160 
  degree thermostat.</SPAN></LI></OL>
<P class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal><SPAN class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf>So at t=
his point 
I do not have a fan shroud =E2=80=93 unless make up a custom.<SPAN>&nbsp; <=
/SPAN>Other 
changes could make is front air dam and block front cross member to bottom =
of 
radiator spacing but for now I am going to see how things play out this 
summer.</SPAN></P>
<P class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal><SPAN class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf>Results=
 as 
follows:</SPAN></P>
<P class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal><SPAN class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf>Cold st=
art with 
86 degree ambient outside temperature =E2=80=93 at idle with hood closed, c=
ar in 
sun.</SPAN></P>
<P class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal><SPAN class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf>5 Minut=
es engine 
temperature 174 degrees.</SPAN></P>
<P class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal><SPAN class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf>9 Minut=
es engine 
temperature 180 degrees.</SPAN></P>
<P class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal><SPAN class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf>12 Minu=
tes 
engine temperature 190 degrees.</SPAN></P>
<P class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal><SPAN class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf>14 Minu=
tes 
engine temperature 195 degrees.</SPAN></P>
<P class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal><SPAN class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf>16 Minu=
tes 
engine temperature 200 degrees.</SPAN></P>
<P class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal><SPAN class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf>Run the=
 motor at 
1500 rpm=E2=80=99s for 1minute temperature drops to 196 degrees.</SPAN></P>=

<P class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal><SPAN class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf>Run the=
 motor at 
2000 rpm=E2=80=99s for another 1minute temperature drops to 194 degrees.</S=
PAN></P>
<P class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal><SPAN class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf>Turn mo=
tor off 
and in a total of 27 minutes from startup - heat soak is 208 degrees.</SPAN=
></P>
<P class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal><SPAN class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf>All thi=
s is 
recorded from temporary mechanical temperature gauge located under 
dash.</SPAN></P>
<P class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal><SPAN class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf>The car=
 
temperature at any speed is at 174 degrees regardless of the outside ambien=
t 
temperature from 50=E2=80=99s to mid 90=E2=80=99s.</SPAN></P>
<P class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal><SPAN class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf>Whew, m=
aybe at 
last can enjoy car with a couple of things still outstanding to be able to =
drive 
it out of town for any distance.<SPAN>&nbsp; </SPAN>The Tiger=E2=80=99s fir=
st major 
outing was at the Sandhills Motoring Festival held in Pinehurst NC last mon=
th in 
May =E2=80=93 you can get a glimpse of the cars at:<SPAN>&nbsp; </SPAN><A 
href=3D"https://www.thepilot.com/gallery/concours-in-the-village/collection=
_d49fdacc-8091-11e9-86df-2b8021a08259.html" 
rel=3Dnofollow 
target=3D_blank>https://www.thepilot.com/gallery/concours-in-the-village/co=
llection_d49fdacc-8091-11e9-86df-2b8021a08259.html</A><SPAN>&nbsp; 
</SPAN>You might have to copy and paste link into your browser.</SPAN></P>
<P class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal><SPAN class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf>Thank y=
ou all 
for putting up with all my inane questions and comments over the years.&nbs=
p; I 
am sure there will be more.<BR></SPAN></P>
<P class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal><SPAN 
class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf>Regards</SPAN></P>
<P class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal><SPAN class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf>Joel 
Martin</SPAN></P>
<P class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal>&nbsp;</P>
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class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal><SPAN 
class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3Dydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
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