Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 11, Issue 141

From: Norm Gilbertson via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2019 20:49:39 +0000

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Sunbeam specialites (rootes.com) has them..........

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   1. Re: Tiger shifter steel plugs/springs (Iron beast)

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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2019 16:11:21 -0400
From: Iron beast <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger shifter steel plugs/springs

Tony
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> On Apr 24, 2019, at 9:47 AM, Tony Lang via Tigers <[email-masked]>=
 wrote:
>
> I have a couple shifters Ive collected thru the years but I am missing a =
spring and steel plug on at least two of the shifters. Does anyone have kno=
wledge were and or if I can purchase replacement parts?
> TIA... TonytheTiger
>
> Tony Lang (TtT)
>
>
> On ?Tuesday?, ?April? ?23?, ?2019? ?12?:?55?:?02? ?PM? ?CDT, Ron Fraser v=
ia Tigers <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
>
> Thank you for your update ? still good information.
>
>
>
> The basics with the Ford shifter is that it can be a little weak.
>
> Seems to me when I worked my shifter; I inspected all the parts for strai=
ghtness, rough edges and wear ? repaired as required
>
> Keeping all the working parts parallel is important
>
> If using 2 spring washers for added spring force or adding an extra washe=
r or shim keeps everything parallel then do that
>
> I remember stretching the big main spring on the shifter some to increase=
 the spring force ? an extra washer or shim there would do the same
>
> Lube the working parts
>
>
>
> Install shifter and follow the alignment procedure ? I think I went throu=
gh this procedure twice ? 1st time to set everything in place then rowed th=
rough the gears a couple of times then the 2nd alignment procedure ? I thin=
k there was a slight offset which I corrected and all was well
>
>
>
> Some linkage parts are available ? C5ZZ-7285RPK ? the parts that attach t=
he shift rod to the shifter levers
>
> I?m thinking the kit you used had more parts.
>
> If there were any instructions ? please share them with everyone.
>
>
>
> The gearshift lever has trunnion set ? 2 steel plugs and 2 springs ? I st=
retched these 2 springs
>
>
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
>
>
>
> From: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 11:01 AM
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] top loader 4 speed wide ratio
>
>
>
> did it 5-6 years ago before my stroke so a bit fuzzy....it was a kit eith=
er from kee or toploader heaven....there are wave type washers i think that=
 give a bit of extra spring....ie to help going from 2 to 3 we shimmed the =
linkage with one or two extra...now if i push shifter out of 2 it goes righ=
t to 3 with basically no help just push it in gear...kit had all new bushin=
gs,and we made sure every thing was aligned right...i'll see if i can find =
the old box in the garage
>
>
> it was toploader heaven....seems to be out of business now....sorry
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron Fraser <[email-masked]>
> To: phastphill <[email-masked]>; Tigers <[email-masked]>
> Cc: tigers <[email-masked]>; rtscolgan <[email-masked]>
>
>
> Sent: Mon, Apr 22, 2019 7:23 pm
> Subject: RE: [Tigers] top loader 4 speed wide ratio
>
> Phastphill
>
>                 I looked through David Kee?s catalog and I do not see any=
 linkage kits, I only see shifters.   May be I missed the parts you speak o=
f.
>
>
>
> Do you have a part # for the kit you used?
>
> Is it still listed in the David Kee catalog or do you have to ask for the=
 kit you used?
>
> Do you have more description of what you did to the stock shift linkage?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
>
>
>
> From: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
> Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2019 12:20 PM
> To: [email-masked]; [email-masked]
> Cc: [email-masked]; [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] top loader 4 speed wide ratio
>
>
>
> i rebuilt my linkage with a kit from david kee...and a couple of extra sh=
ims for a perfect 2-3 shift,people who drive it can't believe it is a stock=
 toploader...http://davidkeetoploaders.com/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Will Seay via Tigers <[email-masked]>
> To: Ron Fraser <[email-masked]>
> Cc: Tiger Server <[email-masked]>; Russ and Tammy C. <rtscolgan@ya=
hoo.com>
> Sent: Sat, Apr 20, 2019 11:08 am
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] top loader 4 speed wide ratio
>
> Russ,
>
>
>
> Ron is right.  I had the same problem when my Tiger was factory new.  I r=
emember sitting at an intersection and trying to get into 1st gear.  Finall=
y put it back into reverse and then back out and all was well.  Follow ever=
ybody's advice about linkage alignment, but I think that the problem will n=
ever completely go away - it's the nature of the beast.
> --
>
> Will - 382001570
> [email-masked]
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 3:02 PM Ron Fraser via Tigers <[email-masked].=
net> wrote:
>
> Russ
>
>                I believe I?ve been there and sometimes still happens.
>
> The linkage is stuck in reverse gear position.   If you put it back into =
reverse and carefully pull it out of reverse it should be OK.   I found tha=
t worked after getting under the Tiger a couple times to get it in a forwar=
d gear which is no fun at all.
>
>
>
> I believe this problem is all in the shifter mechanism.
>
>
>
> I?m not exactly sure how I reduced this occurrence, it was 20 years ago, =
but here is a go at it.
>
> I believe I took the shifter mechanism out ? cleaned it ? inspected it - =
lubed it and I stretched the spring a little.
>
> I also replaced the trunnion on the shifter.
>
> Assemble the shifter ? check and adjust the shifter linkage as required.
>
>
>
> That worked for me ? only once in a great while does the shifter hang up =
now.
>
>
>
> Hope this helps with your problem
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
>
> From: Tigers <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Russ and Tammy =
C. via Tigers
> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2019 12:42 PM
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: [Tigers] top loader 4 speed wide ratio
>
>
>
> After  my recent engine rebuild  I am having trouble with the tranny gett=
ing stuck in two gears.  Not good.  It occurs when trying to go forward aft=
er putting it in reverse It won't go into any forward gear. Did I perhaps b=
end something getting it back into the tunnel on replacing the motor?  I di=
dn't do anything to the tranny  when out of the car.  I did clean it up and=
 repaint before re-entry.  It was suggested that  I cleaned it too good and=
 it needed to be relubed on the rods and levers.  That did seem to help but=
 it still gets stuck on occasion and I can release it by putting it back in=
to reverse.  That is the good news. I had to get under the car and hit the =
lever before to pop it out of gear.    The levers all line up where they sh=
ould be under the shifter.  Fluid level is good.  Is the fluid correct( val=
voline gear oil--high performance 80-90w )?  Any suggestions would be appre=
ciated.  Russ                 [email-masked]
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&nbsp;&nbsp; 1. Re: Tiger shifter steel plugs/springs (Iron beast)<br>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2019 16:11:21 -0400<br>
From: Iron beast &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
Cc: [email-masked]<br>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger shifter steel plugs/springs<br>
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Tony<br>
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Sent from my iPhone<br>
<br>
&gt; On Apr 24, 2019, at 9:47 AM, Tony Lang via Tigers &lt;[email-masked]=
m.net&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I have a couple shifters Ive collected thru the years but I am missing=
 a spring and steel plug on at least two of the shifters. Does anyone have =
knowledge were and or if I can purchase replacement parts?
<br>
&gt; TIA... TonytheTiger<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Tony Lang (TtT)<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; On ?Tuesday?, ?April? ?23?, ?2019? ?12?:?55?:?02? ?PM? ?CDT, Ron Frase=
r via Tigers &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Thank you for your update ? still good information.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; The basics with the Ford shifter is that it can be a little weak.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Seems to me when I worked my shifter; I inspected all the parts for st=
raightness, rough edges and wear ? repaired as required<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Keeping all the working parts parallel is important<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; If using 2 spring washers for added spring force or adding an extra wa=
sher or shim keeps everything parallel then do that<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I remember stretching the big main spring on the shifter some to incre=
ase the spring force ? an extra washer or shim there would do the same<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Lube the working parts<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Install shifter and follow the alignment procedure ? I think I went th=
rough this procedure twice ? 1st time to set everything in place then rowed=
 through the gears a couple of times then the 2nd alignment procedure ? I t=
hink there was a slight offset which
 I corrected and all was well<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Some linkage parts are available ? C5ZZ-7285RPK ? the parts that attac=
h the shift rod to the shifter levers<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I?m thinking the kit you used had more parts.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; If there were any instructions ? please share them with everyone.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; The gearshift lever has trunnion set ? 2 steel plugs and 2 springs ? I=
 stretched these 2 springs<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Ron Fraser<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; From: [email-masked] &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br>
&gt; Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 11:01 AM<br>
&gt; To: [email-masked]<br>
&gt; Subject: Re: [Tigers] top loader 4 speed wide ratio<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; did it 5-6 years ago before my stroke so a bit fuzzy....it was a kit e=
ither from kee or toploader heaven....there are wave type washers i think t=
hat give a bit of extra spring....ie to help going from 2 to 3 we shimmed t=
he linkage with one or two extra...now
 if i push shifter out of 2 it goes right to 3 with basically no help just =
push it in gear...kit had all new bushings,and we made sure every thing was=
 aligned right...i'll see if i can find the old box in the garage<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; it was toploader heaven....seems to be out of business now....sorry<br=
&gt; <br>
&gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; -----Original Message-----<br>
&gt; From: Ron Fraser &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
&gt; To: phastphill &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Tigers &lt;Tigers@embarqmai=
l.com&gt;<br>
&gt; Cc: tigers &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; rtscolgan &lt;rtscolgan@yaho=
o.com&gt;<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Sent: Mon, Apr 22, 2019 7:23 pm<br>
&gt; Subject: RE: [Tigers] top loader 4 speed wide ratio<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Phastphill<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I looked through David Kee?s catalog and I do not=
 see any linkage kits, I only see shifters.&nbsp;&nbsp; May be I missed the=
 parts you speak of.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Do you have a part # for the kit you used?<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Is it still listed in the David Kee catalog or do you have to ask for =
the kit you used?<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Do you have more description of what you did to the stock shift linkag=
e?<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Thanks<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Ron Fraser<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; From: [email-masked] &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br>
&gt; Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2019 12:20 PM<br>
&gt; To: [email-masked]; [email-masked]<br>
&gt; Cc: [email-masked]; [email-masked]<br>
&gt; Subject: Re: [Tigers] top loader 4 speed wide ratio<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; i rebuilt my linkage with a kit from david kee...and a couple of extra=
 shims for a perfect 2-3 shift,people who drive it can't believe it is a st=
ock toploader...http://davidkeetoploaders.com/<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; -----Original Message-----<br>
&gt; From: Will Seay via Tigers &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
&gt; To: Ron Fraser &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
&gt; Cc: Tiger Server &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Russ and Tammy C. &lt;=
[email-masked]&gt;<br>
&gt; Sent: Sat, Apr 20, 2019 11:08 am<br>
&gt; Subject: Re: [Tigers] top loader 4 speed wide ratio<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Russ,<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Ron is right.&nbsp; I had the same problem when my Tiger was factory n=
ew.&nbsp; I remember sitting at an intersection and trying to get into 1st =
gear.&nbsp; Finally put it back into reverse and then back out and all was =
well.&nbsp; Follow everybody's advice about linkage alignment,
 but I think that the problem will never completely go away - it's the natu=
re of the beast.<br>
&gt; -- <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Will - 382001570 <br>
&gt; [email-masked]<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 3:02 PM Ron Fraser via Tigers &lt;tigers@autox=
.team.net&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Russ<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I believe I?ve been there and sometimes still happens.<=
br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; The linkage is stuck in reverse gear position.&nbsp;&nbsp; If you put =
it back into reverse and carefully pull it out of reverse it should be OK.&=
nbsp;&nbsp; I found that worked after getting under the Tiger a couple time=
s to get it in a forward gear which is no fun at all.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I believe this problem is all in the shifter mechanism.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I?m not exactly sure how I reduced this occurrence, it was 20 years ag=
o, but here is a go at it.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I believe I took the shifter mechanism out ? cleaned it ? inspected it=
 - lubed it and I stretched the spring a little.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I also replaced the trunnion on the shifter.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Assemble the shifter ? check and adjust the shifter linkage as require=
d.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; That worked for me ? only once in a great while does the shifter hang =
up now.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Hope this helps with your problem<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Ron Fraser<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; From: Tigers &lt;[email-masked]&gt; On Behalf Of Russ a=
nd Tammy C. via Tigers<br>
&gt; Sent: Friday, April 19, 2019 12:42 PM<br>
&gt; To: [email-masked]<br>
&gt; Subject: [Tigers] top loader 4 speed wide ratio<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; After&nbsp; my recent engine rebuild&nbsp; I am having trouble with th=
e tranny getting stuck in two gears.&nbsp; Not good.&nbsp; It occurs when t=
rying to go forward after putting it in reverse It won't go into any forwar=
d gear. Did I perhaps bend something getting it back into
 the tunnel on replacing the motor?&nbsp; I didn't do anything to the trann=
y&nbsp; when out of the car.&nbsp; I did clean it up and repaint before re-=
entry.&nbsp; It was suggested that&nbsp; I cleaned it too good and it neede=
d to be relubed on the rods and levers.&nbsp; That did seem to
 help but it still gets stuck on occasion and I can release it by putting i=
t back into reverse.&nbsp; That is the good news. I had to get under the ca=
r and hit the lever before to pop it out of gear.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The lev=
ers all line up where they should be under the shifter.&nbsp;
 Fluid level is good.&nbsp; Is the fluid correct( valvoline gear oil--high =
performance 80-90w )?&nbsp; Any suggestions would be appreciated.&nbsp; Rus=
s&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
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