Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cam Thrust Plate

From: Tom Witt via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2019 18:30:41 -0800

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Perhaps they assume the plate is worn and replacing it will help to prevent=
 cam =E2=80=9Cwalk=E2=80=9D (which can possibly cause erratic ignition timi=
ng issues). Or maybe there is a thickness difference from early SBF engines=
 and later engines? Perhaps the oiling slots were modified for better oilin=
g??? Anyway, these are the only things I can think of that MIGHT be the rea=
son. Hopefully someone has a more definitive answer.

From: Joe Brown via Tigers 
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 2:38 PM
To: Tigers Den 
Subject: [Tigers] Cam Thrust Plate

Hi, 

I bought an Edelbrock 7820 timing chain set to go on my 260 and the instruc=
tions say to remove the original cam thrust plate and spacer and replace it=
 with Ford thrust plate  # C9OZ-6269-A.  These instructions do not explain =
WHY the plate needs to be replaced.  I called Edelbrock and the guy I spoke=
 to was useless.  I pointed out that the Ford part number they listed appea=
rs to be obsolete and his response was to send me a link to Ebay where an o=
ld one is for sale.  I've found some other vendors that have replacements f=
or this number.  Does anybody know why a different thrust plate would be re=
quired for the Edelbrock timing chain set?

Thanks,
Joe Brown

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<DIV>Perhaps they assume the plate is worn and replacing it will help to pr=
event 
cam =E2=80=9Cwalk=E2=80=9D (which can possibly cause erratic ignition timin=
g issues). Or maybe 
there is a thickness difference from early SBF engines and later engines? 
Perhaps the oiling slots were modified for better oiling??? Anyway, these a=
re 
the only things I can think of that MIGHT be the reason. Hopefully someone =
has a 
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href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Joe Brown via Tigers</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 29, 2019 2:38 PM</DIV>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> [Tigers] Cam Thrust Plate</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV dir=3Dltr>Hi, 
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I bought an Edelbrock 7820 timing chain set to go on my 260 and the 
instructions say to remove the original cam thrust plate and spacer and rep=
lace 
it with Ford thrust plate&nbsp; # C9OZ-6269-A.&nbsp; These instructions do =
not 
explain WHY the plate needs to be replaced.&nbsp; I called Edelbrock and th=
e guy 
I spoke to was useless.&nbsp; I pointed out that the Ford part number they =

listed appears to be obsolete and his response was to send me a link to Eba=
y 
where an old one is for sale.&nbsp; I've found some other vendors that have=
 
replacements for this number.&nbsp; Does anybody know why a different thrus=
t 
plate would be required for the Edelbrock timing chain set?</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Thanks,</DIV>
<DIV>Joe Brown</DIV></DIV>
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From: Joe Brown via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2019 22:00:54 -0600

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I think you are on to something with the oil slot.  I'm going to try out a
newer style of thrust plate that has an ear to one side with a groove cut
into the back side of it.

When the new thrust plate is installed the ear covers up a small hole that
leads to the passageway for the distributor shaft.
This hole currently has a plug in it since the original thrust plate could
not utilize the extra oil.  I searched for info on the web and there is a
lot of discussion in various Ford forums about whether or not to knock the
plug out when installing the newer style of thrust plate.  There doesn't
seem to be any agreement about what to do.

It would seem to me that if I knock out the plug, there will be a little
bit of oil flow from the distributor area through the groove in the thrust
plate where it will be deposited between the thrust plate and the face of
the camshaft.  The Edelbrock timing gear might be able to pick up some of
this extra oil.

So, I'm looking for opinions.  Knock out the little plug or leave it in
there?

Thanks,
Joe Brown

On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 8:58 PM Tom Witt via Tigers <[email-masked]>
wrote:

> Perhaps they assume the plate is worn and replacing it will help to
> prevent cam =E2=80=9Cwalk=E2=80=9D (which can possibly cause erratic igni=
tion timing
> issues). Or maybe there is a thickness difference from early SBF engines
> and later engines? Perhaps the oiling slots were modified for better
> oiling??? Anyway, these are the only things I can think of that MIGHT be
> the reason. Hopefully someone has a more definitive answer.
>
> *From:* Joe Brown via Tigers <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 29, 2019 2:38 PM
> *To:* Tigers Den <[email-masked]>
> *Subject:* [Tigers] Cam Thrust Plate
>
> Hi,
>
> I bought an Edelbrock 7820 timing chain set to go on my 260 and the
> instructions say to remove the original cam thrust plate and spacer and
> replace it with Ford thrust plate  # C9OZ-6269-A.  These instructions do
> not explain WHY the plate needs to be replaced.  I called Edelbrock and t=
he
> guy I spoke to was useless.  I pointed out that the Ford part number they
> listed appears to be obsolete and his response was to send me a link to
> Ebay where an old one is for sale.  I've found some other vendors that ha=
ve
> replacements for this number.  Does anybody know why a different thrust
> plate would be required for the Edelbrock timing chain set?
>
> Thanks,
> Joe Brown
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I think you are on to something with the oil slot.=C2=A0 I=
&#39;m going to try out a newer style of thrust plate that has an ear to on=
e side with a groove cut into the back side of it.=C2=A0=C2=A0<div><div><im=
g src=3D"cid:ii_jrinj0xx0" alt=3D"image.png" width=3D"545" height=3D"409"><=
br></div></div><div><br></div><div>When the new thrust plate is installed t=
he ear covers up a small hole that leads to the passageway for the distribu=
tor shaft.</div><div><div><img src=3D"cid:ii_jrinmttb1" alt=3D"image.png" w=
idth=3D"545" height=3D"409"><br></div></div><div>This hole currently has a =
plug in it since the original thrust plate could not utilize the extra oil.=
=C2=A0 I searched for info on the web and there is a lot of discussion in v=
arious Ford forums about whether or not to knock the plug out when installi=
ng the newer style of thrust plate.=C2=A0 There doesn&#39;t seem to be any =
agreement about what to do.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>It would s=
eem to me that if I knock out the plug, there will be a little bit of oil f=
low from the distributor area through the groove in the thrust plate where =
it will be deposited between the thrust plate and the face of the camshaft.=
=C2=A0 The Edelbrock timing gear might be able to pick up some of this extr=
a oil.</div><div><br></div><div>So, I&#39;m looking for opinions.=C2=A0 Kno=
ck out the little plug or leave it in there?</div><div><br></div><div>Thank=
s,</div><div>Joe Brown</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 8:58 PM Tom Witt via Tigers &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">tigers@autox.=
team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<div>Perhaps they assume the plate is worn and replacing it will help to pr=
event=20
cam =E2=80=9Cwalk=E2=80=9D (which can possibly cause erratic ignition timin=
g issues). Or maybe=20
there is a thickness difference from early SBF engines and later engines?=
=20
Perhaps the oiling slots were modified for better oiling??? Anyway, these a=
re=20
the only things I can think of that MIGHT be the reason. Hopefully someone =
has a=20
more definitive answer.</div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title=3D"[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:tigers@=
autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">Joe Brown via Tigers</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 29, 2019 2:38 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:Tigers@au=
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<div><b>Subject:</b> [Tigers] Cam Thrust Plate</div></div></div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi,=20
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>I bought an Edelbrock 7820 timing chain set to go on my 260 and the=20
instructions say to remove the original cam thrust plate and spacer and rep=
lace=20
it with Ford thrust plate=C2=A0 # C9OZ-6269-A.=C2=A0 These instructions do =
not=20
explain WHY the plate needs to be replaced.=C2=A0 I called Edelbrock and th=
e guy=20
I spoke to was useless.=C2=A0 I pointed out that the Ford part number they=
=20
listed appears to be obsolete and his response was to send me a link to Eba=
y=20
where an old one is for sale.=C2=A0 I&#39;ve found some other vendors that =
have=20
replacements for this number.=C2=A0 Does anybody know why a different thrus=
t=20
plate would be required for the Edelbrock timing chain set?</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Joe Brown</div></div>
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From: Ron Fraser via Tigers <[email-masked]>
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Joe=20

                Here is my best guess.

Your right they did not give you any instructions for this situation.

=20

The attached picture is what=E2=80=99s available today =E2=80=93 NPD has =
them.

=20

See that slot off to the side on that plate =E2=80=93 it is for extra =
lubrication =E2=80=93 it extends over an oil passage in the block.

Please note that oil passage on your block should be plugged =E2=80=93 =
therefore that plug needs to be removed before this thrust plate is =
installed.

=20

Personally I think I would return that timing set because they were =
useless with their instructions and Tech support.

=20

I normally buy a Cloyes set.

=20

Ron Fraser

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Tigers
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 5:39 PM
To: Tigers Den <[email-masked]>
Subject: [Tigers] Cam Thrust Plate

=20

Hi,

=20

I bought an Edelbrock 7820 timing chain set to go on my 260 and the =
instructions say to remove the original cam thrust plate and spacer and =
replace it with Ford thrust plate  # C9OZ-6269-A.  These instructions do =
not explain WHY the plate needs to be replaced.  I called Edelbrock and =
the guy I spoke to was useless.  I pointed out that the Ford part number =
they listed appears to be obsolete and his response was to send me a =
link to Ebay where an old one is for sale.  I've found some other =
vendors that have replacements for this number.  Does anybody know why a =
different thrust plate would be required for the Edelbrock timing chain =
set?

=20

Thanks,

Joe Brown

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guess.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Your right they did not give =
you any instructions for this situation.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>The attached =
picture is what=E2=80=99s available today =E2=80=93 NPD has =
them.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>See that slot off to the side on that plate =E2=80=93 =
it is for extra lubrication =E2=80=93 it extends over an oil passage in =
the block.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Please note that oil =
passage on your block should be plugged =E2=80=93 therefore that plug =
needs to be removed before this thrust plate is =
installed.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Personally I think I would return that timing set =
because they were useless with their instructions and Tech =
support.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I normally buy a Cloyes set.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Ron =
Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Tigers =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Joe Brown via =
Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 29, 2019 5:39 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
Tigers Den &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> [Tigers] Cam =
Thrust Plate<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Hi,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I =
bought an Edelbrock 7820 timing chain set to go on my 260 and the =
instructions say to remove the original cam thrust plate and spacer and =
replace it with Ford thrust plate&nbsp; # C9OZ-6269-A.&nbsp; These =
instructions do not explain WHY the plate needs to be replaced.&nbsp; I =
called Edelbrock and the guy I spoke to was useless.&nbsp; I pointed out =
that the Ford part number they listed appears to be obsolete and his =
response was to send me a link to Ebay where an old one is for =
sale.&nbsp; I've found some other vendors that have replacements for =
this number.&nbsp; Does anybody know why a different thrust plate would =
be required for the Edelbrock timing chain =
set?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Joe =
Brown<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></body></html>
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