Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear Main Seal Question

From: Ron Fraser via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2019 23:09:56 -0500

This is a multipart message in MIME format.

--===============3542373775044930283==
	boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01D4B2A7.98FDA7F0"
Content-Language: en-us

This is a multipart message in MIME format.

------=_NextPart_000_000B_01D4B2A7.98FDA7F0
	charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Joe

                I=E2=80=99m not the expert here but I believe that is =
correct.

I believe you need some compressive force on that seal to obtain a =
proper seal to the crank.

If you have an engine builder in the area talk to him.

=20

My edition of How to build a Small Block Ford states 13 ft lbs of torque =
to turn the crankshaft with all the crank bearings installed.

I don=E2=80=99t see a specific spec for this torque listed anywhere so =
that  is probably just a guide line.

=20

Seems to me some years ago I saw mentioned that Egge had a better seal =
for the small block Ford but I don=E2=80=99t remember following up on =
that information.

=20

Ron Fraser

=20

From: Tigers <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Joe Brown via =
Tigers
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 5:56 PM
To: Tigers Den <[email-masked]>
Subject: [Tigers] Rear Main Seal Question

=20

Here is a question for you guys that are old hands at rebuilding =
engines.  I am putting my original 260 back together after it came back =
from the machine shop and I am struggling a little bit with the =
two-piece rear main seal that came with my FelPro gasket set.  The =
instructions say to insert one half of the seal into the block with =
about 3/8" sticking up on one side. This should result in the other side =
being about 3/8" below the edge of the block.  The other half goes into =
the rear main cap with the same offset so that it mates up with the half =
that is in the block.

=20

My problem is that the two halves of the seal seem to be too long.  If I =
insert one half so that 3/8" is sticking up on side it is only about .2" =
down on the other side.  So I can't get the rear main cap to seat =
correctly.  Is it common to have to trim the two halves so that they =
will mate correctly?  Or should I just go buy another seal and hope it =
works better?  (Thankfully I live just a few miles from a Summit Racing =
warehouse)

=20

Thanks,

Joe Brown

------=_NextPart_000_000B_01D4B2A7.98FDA7F0
	charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<html xmlns:v=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" =
xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" =
xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" =
xmlns:m=3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" =
xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"><head><meta =
http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"><meta =
name=3DGenerator content=3D"Microsoft Word 15 (filtered =
medium)"><style><!--
/* Font Definitions */
@font-face
	{font-family:"Cambria Math";
	panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}
@font-face
	{font-family:Calibri;
	panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}
/* Style Definitions */
p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
	{margin:0in;
	margin-bottom:.0001pt;
	font-size:11.0pt;
	font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;}
a:link, span.MsoHyperlink
	{mso-style-priority:99;
	color:#0563C1;
	text-decoration:underline;}
a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed
	{mso-style-priority:99;
	color:#954F72;
	text-decoration:underline;}
p.msonormal0, li.msonormal0, div.msonormal0
	{mso-style-name:msonormal;
	mso-margin-top-alt:auto;
	margin-right:0in;
	mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
	margin-left:0in;
	font-size:11.0pt;
	font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;}
span.EmailStyle18
	{mso-style-type:personal-reply;
	font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;}
.MsoChpDefault
	{mso-style-type:export-only;
	font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;}
@page WordSection1
	{size:8.5in 11.0in;
	margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}
div.WordSection1
	{page:WordSection1;}
--></style><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapedefaults v:ext=3D"edit" spidmax=3D"1026" />
</xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapelayout v:ext=3D"edit">
<o:idmap v:ext=3D"edit" data=3D"1" />
</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=3DEN-US =
link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72"><div class=3DWordSection1><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Joe<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m not the expert here but I =
believe that is correct.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I believe =
you need some compressive force on that seal to obtain a proper seal to =
the crank.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>If you have an engine =
builder in the area talk to him.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>My edition =
of How to build a Small Block Ford states 13 ft lbs of torque to turn =
the crankshaft with all the crank bearings installed.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I don=E2=80=99t see a specific spec for this torque =
listed anywhere so that=C2=A0 is probably just a guide =
line.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Seems to me some years ago I saw mentioned that Egge =
had a better seal for the small block Ford but I don=E2=80=99t remember =
following up on that information.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Ron =
Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Tigers =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Joe Brown via =
Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 22, 2019 5:56 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
Tigers Den &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> [Tigers] =
Rear Main Seal Question<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Here is =
a question for you guys that are old hands at rebuilding engines.&nbsp; =
I am putting my original 260 back together after it came back from the =
machine shop and I am struggling a little bit with the two-piece rear =
main seal that came with my FelPro gasket set.&nbsp; The instructions =
say to insert one half of the seal into the block with about 3/8&quot; =
sticking up on one side. This should result in the other side being =
about 3/8&quot; below the edge of the block.&nbsp; The other half goes =
into the rear main cap with the same offset so that it mates up with the =
half that is in the block.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
align=3Dright style=3D'text-align:right'>My problem is that the two =
halves of the seal seem to be too long.&nbsp; If I insert one half so =
that 3/8&quot; is sticking up on side it is only about .2&quot; down on =
the other side.&nbsp; So I can't get the rear main cap to seat =
correctly.&nbsp; Is it common to have to trim the two halves so that =
they will mate correctly?&nbsp; Or should I just go buy another seal and =
hope it works better?&nbsp; (Thankfully I live just a few miles from a =
Summit Racing warehouse)<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Joe =
Brown<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></body></html>
------=_NextPart_000_000B_01D4B2A7.98FDA7F0--

--===============3542373775044930283==
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline

_______________________________________________

[email-masked]

Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive

Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/[email-masked]

--===============3542373775044930283==--

---

From: Tom Hall via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 07:53:46 -0800

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
--===============2691965066434096051==
 boundary="------------A682F36EEBE30BF0388981EA"
Content-Language: en-US

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
--------------A682F36EEBE30BF0388981EA
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

On 1/22/2019 2:55 PM, Joe Brown via Tigers wrote:
> Here is a question for you guys that are old hands at rebuilding 
> engines.  I am putting my original 260 back together after it came 
> back from the machine shop and I am struggling a little bit with the 
> two-piece rear main seal that came with my FelPro gasket set.  The 
> instructions say to insert one half of the seal into the block with 
> about 3/8" sticking up on one side. This should result in the other 
> side being about 3/8" below the edge of the block.  The other half 
> goes into the rear main cap with the same offset so that it mates up 
> with the half that is in the block.
>
> My problem is that the two halves of the seal seem to be too long.  If 
> I insert one half so that 3/8" is sticking up on side it is only about 
> .2" down on the other side.  So I can't get the rear main cap to seat 
> correctly.  Is it common to have to trim the two halves so that they 
> will mate correctly?  Or should I just go buy another seal and hope it 
> works better?  (Thankfully I live just a few miles from a Summit 
> Racing warehouse)
>
> Thanks,
> Joe Brown
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/[email-masked]
>
>
Joe,

If your 260 still had a "rope" style rear seal, you should find a small 
sharp pin pressed into the seal groove.  This pin held the "rope" so 
that it couldn't turn in it's groove.  It would also keep your new 
rubber "lip" seal from seating down into the groove, resulting in the 
seal appearing to be too long.  If I remember correctly, this pin is in 
the main cap and should be just visable in the groove for the pan 
gasket.  You drive it out with a small diameter drift punch.

Your best solution would have been to have the machine shop bore the 
block and rear cap for a later one piece seal, but I think you are too 
far down the road to do this now.

-- 
Tom Hall
ModTiger Engineering LLC
5712 San Luis Court
Pleasanton, CA 94566
[email-masked]
(925)462-3876
www.tigerengineering.net

--------------A682F36EEBE30BF0388981EA
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

<html>
  <head>
    <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
  </head>
  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/22/2019 2:55 PM, Joe Brown via
      Tigers wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CAKb_wf=[email-masked]">
      <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
      <div dir="ltr">Here is a question for you guys that are old hands
        at rebuilding engines.  I am putting my original 260 back
        together after it came back from the machine shop and I am
        struggling a little bit with the two-piece rear main seal that
        came with my FelPro gasket set.  The instructions say to insert
        one half of the seal into the block with about 3/8" sticking up
        on one side. This should result in the other side being about
        3/8" below the edge of the block.  The other half goes into the
        rear main cap with the same offset so that it mates up with the
        half that is in the block.
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div style="text-align:right">My problem is that the two halves
          of the seal seem to be too long.  If I insert one half so that
          3/8" is sticking up on side it is only about .2" down on the
          other side.  So I can't get the rear main cap to seat
          correctly.  Is it common to have to trim the two halves so
          that they will mate correctly?  Or should I just go buy
          another seal and hope it works better?  (Thankfully I live
          just a few miles from a Summit Racing warehouse)</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Thanks,</div>
        <div>Joe Brown</div>
      </div>
      <br>
      <fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
      <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">_______________________________________________

<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>

Archive: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers">http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://autox.team.net/archive">http://autox.team.net/archive</a>

Unsubscribe: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/[email-masked]">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/[email-masked]</a>

</pre>
    </blockquote>
    <p>Joe, <br>
    </p>
    <p>If your 260 still had a "rope" style rear seal, you should find a
      small sharp pin pressed into the seal groove.  This pin held the
      "rope" so that it couldn't turn in it's groove.  It would also
      keep your new rubber "lip" seal from seating down into the groove,
      resulting in the seal appearing to be too long.  If I remember
      correctly, this pin is in the main cap and should be just visable
      in the groove for the pan gasket.  You drive it out with a small
      diameter drift punch.  <br>
    </p>
    <p>Your best solution would have been to have the machine shop bore
      the block and rear cap for a later one piece seal, but I think you
      are too far down the road to do this now.<br>
    </p>
    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- 
Tom Hall
ModTiger Engineering LLC
5712 San Luis Court
Pleasanton, CA 94566
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>
(925)462-3876
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.tigerengineering.net">www.tigerengineering.net</a> </pre>
  </body>
</html>

--------------A682F36EEBE30BF0388981EA--

--===============2691965066434096051==
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline

[email-masked]

--===============2691965066434096051==--

---

From: Tom Witt via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 07:58:08 -0800

--===============1215961427914871461==
	boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01D4B2F1.610E3310"

------=_NextPart_000_001B_01D4B2F1.610E3310
	charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It was 1976 when I rebuilt a 260..., but I vaguely recall the rope seal had=
 a spiked pin in the channel to hold the rope seal.  If my recollection is =
correct (suspect, so don=E2=80=99t count on it) is it possible that is keep=
ing the new seal (assumed rubber) from properly seating??? Do both halves d=
isplay the same offset, or is it only one. You didn=E2=80=99t say whether y=
our kit had a rope or rubber seal. I took a look at Rock Auto and they offe=
r a number of seal in both types. So, I assume kits may still come with eit=
her type.

Many of these companies have a tech hotline and email responses. That might=
 be the proper route over say..., some guys 41 year old vague memory.

From: Ron Fraser via Tigers 
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 8:09 PM
To: 'Joe Brown' ; [email-masked] 
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear Main Seal Question

Joe

                I=E2=80=99m not the expert here but I believe that is corre=
ct.

I believe you need some compressive force on that seal to obtain a proper s=
eal to the crank.

My edition of How to build a Small Block Ford states 13 ft lbs of torque to=
 turn the crankshaft with all the crank bearings installed.

I don=E2=80=99t see a specific spec for this torque listed anywhere so that=
  is probably just a guide line.

Seems to me some years ago I saw mentioned that Egge had a better seal for =
the small block Ford but I don=E2=80=99t remember following up on that info=
rmation.

Ron Fraser

From: Tigers <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Joe Brown via Tig=
ers
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 5:56 PM
To: Tigers Den <[email-masked]>
Subject: [Tigers] Rear Main Seal Question

Here is a question for you guys that are old hands at rebuilding engines.  =
I am putting my original 260 back together after it came back from the mach=
ine shop and I am struggling a little bit with the two-piece rear main seal=
 that came with my FelPro gasket set.  The instructions say to insert one h=
alf of the seal into the block with about 3/8" sticking up on one side. Thi=
s should result in the other side being about 3/8" below the edge of the bl=
ock.  The other half goes into the rear main cap with the same offset so th=
at it mates up with the half that is in the block.

My problem is that the two halves of the seal seem to be too long.  If I in=
sert one half so that 3/8" is sticking up on side it is only about .2" down=
 on the other side.  So I can't get the rear main cap to seat correctly.  I=
s it common to have to trim the two halves so that they will mate correctly=
?  Or should I just go buy another seal and hope it works better?  (Thankfu=
lly I live just a few miles from a Summit Racing warehouse)

Thanks,

Joe Brown

---
This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
https://www.avg.com

------=_NextPart_000_001B_01D4B2F1.610E3310
	charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<HTML xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:v =3D 
"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o =3D 
"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w =3D 
"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m =3D 
"http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml"><HEAD>
<META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8" http-equiv=3DContent-Type>
<META name=3DGenerator content=3D"Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)">
<STYLE><!--
/* Font Definitions */
@font-face
	{font-family:"Cambria Math";
	panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}
@font-face
	{font-family:Calibri;
	panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}
/* Style Definitions */
p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
	{margin:0in;
	margin-bottom:.0001pt;
	font-size:11.0pt;
	font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;}
a:link, span.MsoHyperlink
	{mso-style-priority:99;
	color:#0563C1;
	text-decoration:underline;}
a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed
	{mso-style-priority:99;
	color:#954F72;
	text-decoration:underline;}
p.msonormal0, li.msonormal0, div.msonormal0
	{mso-style-name:msonormal;
	mso-margin-top-alt:auto;
	margin-right:0in;
	mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
	margin-left:0in;
	font-size:11.0pt;
	font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;}
span.EmailStyle18
	{mso-style-type:personal-reply;
	font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;}
MsoChpDefault
	{mso-style-type:export-only;
	font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;}
@page WordSection1
	{size:8.5in 11.0in;
	margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}
div.WordSection1
	{page:WordSection1;}
--></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY lang=3DEN-US dir=3Dltr link=3D#0563c1 vLink=3D#954f72>
<DIV dir=3Dltr>
<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000">
<DIV>It was 1976 when I rebuilt a 260..., but I vaguely recall the rope sea=
l had 
a spiked pin in the channel to hold the rope seal.&nbsp; If my recollection=
 is 
correct (suspect, so don=E2=80=99t count on it) is it possible that is keep=
ing the new 
seal (assumed rubber) from properly seating??? Do both halves display the s=
ame 
offset, or is it only one. You didn=E2=80=99t say whether your kit had a ro=
pe or rubber 
seal. I took a look at Rock Auto and they offer a number of seal in both ty=
pes. 
So, I assume kits may still come with either type.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Many of these companies have a tech hotline and email responses. That =
might 
be the proper route over say..., some guys 41 year old vague memory.</DIV>
<DIV 
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"; F=
ONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: inline'>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt tahoma">
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5">
<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=[email-masked].=
net 
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Ron Fraser via Tigers</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 22, 2019 8:09 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=[email-masked] 
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">'Joe Brown'</A> ; <A 
title=[email-masked] 
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Tigers] Rear Main Seal Question</DIV></DIV></DIV>=

<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV>
<DIV 
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"; F=
ONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: inline'>
<DIV class=3DWordSection1>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>Joe<o:p></o:p></P>
<P 
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
I=E2=80=99m not the expert here but I believe that is correct.<o:p></o:p></=
P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>I believe you need some compressive force on that seal=
 to 
obtain a proper seal to the crank.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>If you have an engine builder in the area talk to 
him.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><o:p></o:p>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>My edition of How to build a Small Block Ford states 1=
3 ft 
lbs of torque to turn the crankshaft with all the crank bearings 
installed.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>I don=E2=80=99t see a specific spec for this torque li=
sted anywhere 
so that&nbsp; is probably just a guide line.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><o:p></o:p>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>Seems to me some years ago I saw mentioned that Egge h=
ad a 
better seal for the small block Ford but I don=E2=80=99t remember following=
 up on that 
information.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><o:p></o:p>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>Ron Fraser<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><o:p></o:p>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><B>From:</B> Tigers &lt;[email-masked]&=
gt; 
<B>On Behalf Of </B>Joe Brown via Tigers<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 2=
2, 
2019 5:56 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Tigers Den 
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<BR><B>Subject:</B> [Tigers] Rear Main Seal 
Question<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><o:p></o:p>&nbsp;</P>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>Here is a question for you guys that are old hands at =

rebuilding engines.&nbsp; I am putting my original 260 back together after =
it 
came back from the machine shop and I am struggling a little bit with the 
two-piece rear main seal that came with my FelPro gasket set.&nbsp; The 
instructions say to insert one half of the seal into the block with about 3=
/8" 
sticking up on one side. This should result in the other side being about 3=
/8" 
below the edge of the block.&nbsp; The other half goes into the rear main c=
ap 
with the same offset so that it mates up with the half that is in the 
block.<o:p></o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><o:p></o:p>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"TEXT-ALIGN: right" align=3Dright>My problem i=
s that the 
two halves of the seal seem to be too long.&nbsp; If I insert one half so t=
hat 
3/8" is sticking up on side it is only about .2" down on the other side.&nb=
sp; 
So I can't get the rear main cap to seat correctly.&nbsp; Is it common to h=
ave 
to trim the two halves so that they will mate correctly?&nbsp; Or should I =
just 
go buy another seal and hope it works better?&nbsp; (Thankfully I live just=
 a 
few miles from a Summit Racing warehouse)<o:p></o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><o:p></o:p>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>Joe 
Brown<o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV><div id=3D"DAB4FAD8=
-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br />
<table style=3D"border-top: 1px solid #D3D4DE;">
	<tr>
        <td style=3D"width: 55px; padding-top: 13px;"><a href=3D"http://www=
=2Eavg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=3Demail&utm_source=3Dlink&utm_campaig=
n=3Dsig-email&utm_content=3Demailclient" target=3D"_blank"><img src=3D"http=
s://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-green-avg-v1.png" alt=
=3D""  width=3D"46" height=3D"29" style=3D"width: 46px; height: 29px;" /></=
a></td>
		<td style=3D"width: 470px; padding-top: 12px; color: #41424e; font-size: =
13px; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; line-height: 18px;">Virus-=
free. <a href=3D"http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=3Demail&utm_=
source=3Dlink&utm_campaign=3Dsig-email&utm_content=3Demailclient" target=3D=
"_blank" style=3D"color: #4453ea;">www.avg.com</a>
		</td>
	</tr>
</table><a href=3D"#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2" width=3D"1" heigh=
t=3D"1"> </a></div></BODY></HTML>

------=_NextPart_000_001B_01D4B2F1.610E3310--

--===============1215961427914871461==
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline

[email-masked]

--===============1215961427914871461==--

---

From: Joe Brown via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 13:41:15 -0600

--===============8967733981899989829==

--00000000000097d5380580254790

I already took that pin out. This is my first shot at rebuilding an engine
and I'm afraid to just try and force something together.  I finally gave
FelPro a call and the guy there verified that there is an interference fit
and the two halves of the seal will appear to be too long but they should
crush down into the grooves when the cap bolts are torqued down.  So I'm
keeping my fingers crossed.

Thanks,
Joe

On Wed, Jan 23, 2019, 10:48 AM Tom Hall via Tigers <[email-masked]
wrote:

> Here is a question for you guys that are old hands at rebuilding engines.
> I am putting my original 260 back together after it came back from the
> machine shop and I am struggling a little bit with the two-piece rear main
> seal that came with my FelPro gasket set.  The instructions say to insert
> one half of the seal into the block with about 3/8" sticking up on one
> side. This should result in the other side being about 3/8" below the edge
> of the block.  The other half goes into the rear main cap with the same
> offset so that it mates up with the half that is in the block.
>
> My problem is that the two halves of the seal seem to be too long.  If I
> insert one half so that 3/8" is sticking up on side it is only about .2"
> down on the other side.  So I can't get the rear main cap to seat
> correctly.  Is it common to have to trim the two halves so that they will
> mate correctly?  Or should I just go buy another seal and hope it works
> better?  (Thankfully I live just a few miles from a Summit Racing warehouse)
>
> Thanks,
> Joe Brown
>
> sharp pin pressed into the seal groove.  This pin held the "rope" so that
> it couldn't turn in it's groove.  It would also keep your new rubber "lip"
> seal from seating down into the groove, resulting in the seal appearing to
> be too long.  If I remember correctly, this pin is in the main cap and
> should be just visable in the groove for the pan gasket.  You drive it out
> with a small diameter drift punch.
>
> Your best solution would have been to have the machine shop bore the block
> and rear cap for a later one piece seal, but I think you are too far down
> the road to do this now.
>
> --
> Tom Hall
> ModTiger Engineering LLC
> 5712 San Luis Court
> Pleasanton, CA [email-masked]
> (925)462-3876www.tigerengineering.net
>
> Unsubscribe:
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/[email-masked]
>
>
>

--00000000000097d5380580254790
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"auto">I already took that pin out. This is my =
first shot at rebuilding an engine and I&#39;m afraid to just try and force=
 something together.=C2=A0 I finally gave FelPro a call and the guy there v=
erified that there is an interference fit and the two halves of the seal wi=
ll appear to be too long but they should crush down into the grooves when t=
he cap bolts are torqued down.=C2=A0 So I&#39;m keeping my fingers crossed.=
</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Joe=C2=A0</div></d=
iv><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, Jan 23, 2019, 10=
:48 AM Tom Hall via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" tar=
get=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rg=
b(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
 =20
   =20
 =20
  <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">
    <div class=3D"gmail-m_3626617638071388113m_5960324314192894567moz-cite-=
prefix">On 1/22/2019 2:55 PM, Joe Brown via
      Tigers wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
     =20
      <div dir=3D"ltr">Here is a question for you guys that are old hands
        at rebuilding engines.=C2=A0 I am putting my original 260 back
        together after it came back from the machine shop and I am
        struggling a little bit with the two-piece rear main seal that
        came with my FelPro gasket set.=C2=A0 The instructions say to inser=
t
        one half of the seal into the block with about 3/8&quot; sticking u=
p
        on one side. This should result in the other side being about
        3/8&quot; below the edge of the block.=C2=A0 The other half goes in=
to the
        rear main cap with the same offset so that it mates up with the
        half that is in the block.
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div style=3D"text-align:right">My problem is that the two halves
          of the seal seem to be too long.=C2=A0 If I insert one half so th=
at
          3/8&quot; is sticking up on side it is only about .2&quot; down o=
n the
          other side.=C2=A0 So I can&#39;t get the rear main cap to seat
          correctly.=C2=A0 Is it common to have to trim the two halves so
          that they will mate correctly?=C2=A0 Or should I just go buy
          another seal and hope it works better?=C2=A0 (Thankfully I live
          just a few miles from a Summit Racing warehouse)</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Thanks,</div>
        <div>Joe Brown</div>
      </div>
      <br>
      <fieldset class=3D"gmail-m_3626617638071388113m_5960324314192894567mi=
meAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
      <pre class=3D"gmail-m_3626617638071388113m_5960324314192894567moz-quo=
te-pre">_______________________________________________

<a class=3D"gmail-m_3626617638071388113m_5960324314192894567moz-txt-link-ab=
breviated" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>

-link-freetext" href=3D"http://www.team.net/donate.html" rel=3D"noreferrer"=
 target=3D"_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a>
Archive: <a class=3D"gmail-m_3626617638071388113m_5960324314192894567moz-tx=
t-link-freetext" href=3D"http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers" rel=3D"noref=
errer" target=3D"_blank">http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers</a> <a class=
=3D"gmail-m_3626617638071388113m_5960324314192894567moz-txt-link-freetext" =
href=3D"http://autox.team.net/archive" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank"=
>http://autox.team.net/archive</a>

Unsubscribe: <a class=3D"gmail-m_3626617638071388113m_5960324314192894567mo=
z-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/m=
[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://autox.team=
.net/mailman/options/tigers/[email-masked]</a>

</pre>
    </blockquote>
    <p>Joe, <br>
    </p>
    <p>If your 260 still had a &quot;rope&quot; style rear seal, you should=
 find a
      small sharp pin pressed into the seal groove.=C2=A0 This pin held the
      &quot;rope&quot; so that it couldn&#39;t turn in it&#39;s groove.=C2=
=A0 It would also
      keep your new rubber &quot;lip&quot; seal from seating down into the =
groove,
      resulting in the seal appearing to be too long.=C2=A0 If I remember
      correctly, this pin is in the main cap and should be just visable
      in the groove for the pan gasket.=C2=A0 You drive it out with a small
      diameter drift punch.=C2=A0 <br>
    </p>
    <p>Your best solution would have been to have the machine shop bore
      the block and rear cap for a later one piece seal, but I think you
      are too far down the road to do this now.<br>
    </p>
    <pre class=3D"gmail-m_3626617638071388113m_5960324314192894567moz-signa=
ture" cols=3D"72">--=20
Tom Hall
ModTiger Engineering LLC
5712 San Luis Court
Pleasanton, CA 94566
<a class=3D"gmail-m_3626617638071388113m_5960324314192894567moz-txt-link-ab=
breviated" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>
(925)462-3876
<a class=3D"gmail-m_3626617638071388113m_5960324314192894567moz-txt-link-ab=
breviated" href=3D"http://www.tigerengineering.net" rel=3D"noreferrer" targ=
et=3D"_blank">www.tigerengineering.net</a> </pre>
  </div>

_______________________________________________<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blan=
k">[email-masked]</a><br>
<br>
errer" target=3D"_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>
Archive: <a href=3D"http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers" rel=3D"noreferrer=
 noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers</a> <a =
href=3D"http://autox.team.net/archive" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=
=3D"_blank">http://autox.team.net/archive</a><br>
<br>
Unsubscribe: <a href=3D"http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jbbrow=
[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://aut=
ox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/[email-masked]</a><br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div>

--00000000000097d5380580254790--

--===============8967733981899989829==
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline

[email-masked]

--===============8967733981899989829==--