Subject: [Tigers] Small Block Ford 260 cam spacer thrust plate timing gear

From: Bill Lawrence via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 14:22:01 +0000

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Hi Joe
Similar issue, may be related.  You may consider checking the run out on th=
e cam/timing gear prior to buttoning up the front end. When I went to repla=
ce the timing chain/gearset I discovered the new timing gear had the spacer=
 molded into the timing gear.  Originally installed the original spacer wit=
h the new timing gear (double spacer).   When the assembly was rotated by h=
and I thought the cam shaft was going to pop out of the block.  I removed t=
he spacer and the run out problem solved. Kept original thrust plate withou=
t issue.

Attached a diagram showing the various components.

Bill Lawrence
Ft. Lauderdale FLA USA

I bought an Edelbrock 7820 timing chain set to go on my 260 and the instruc=
tions say to remove the original cam thrust plate and spacer and replace it=
 with Ford thrust plate  # C9OZ-6269-A.  These instructions do not explain =
WHY the plate needs to be replaced.  I called Edelbrock and the guy I spoke=
 to was useless.  I pointed out that the Ford part number they listed appea=
rs to be obsolete and his response was to send me a link to Ebay where an o=
ld one is for sale.  I've found some other vendors that have replacements f=
or this number.  Does anybody know why a different thrust plate would be re=
quired for the Edelbrock timing chain set?

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 Joe<br>
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<div>Similar issue, may be related.&nbsp; You may consider checking the run=
 out on the cam/timing gear prior to buttoning up the front end. When I wen=
t to replace the timing chain/gearset I discovered the new timing gear had =
the spacer molded into the timing gear.
 &nbsp;Originally installed the original spacer with the new timing gear (d=
ouble spacer).&nbsp; &nbsp;When the assembly was rotated by hand I thought =
the cam shaft was going to pop out of the block.&nbsp; I removed the spacer=
 and the run out problem solved. Kept original thrust
 plate without issue.<br>
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<div>Attached a diagram showing the various components.<br>
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<div>Bill Lawrence<br>
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I bought an Edelbrock 7820 timing chain set to go on my 260 and the instruc=
tions say to remove the original cam thrust plate and spacer and replace it=
 with Ford thrust plate&nbsp; # C9OZ-6269-A.&nbsp; These instructions do no=
t explain WHY the plate needs to be replaced.&nbsp;
 I called Edelbrock and the guy I spoke to was useless.&nbsp; I pointed out=
 that the Ford part number they listed appears to be obsolete and his respo=
nse was to send me a link to Ebay where an old one is for sale.&nbsp; I've =
found some other vendors that have replacements
 for this number.&nbsp; Does anybody know why a different thrust plate woul=
d be required for the Edelbrock timing chain set?</span>
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Joe,

The thickness of the cam thrust plate varied over the years.   I think Edel=
brock is specifying the thrust plate with the correct thickness for their t=
iming gear.

Make sure you check the end play on the camshaft assembly with the thrust p=
late and timing gear you are planning to use.

I remove the oil gallery plug when I use a thrust plate with the ear and oi=
l groove.

Tom Calvert

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   1. Re: Cam Thrust Plate (Ron Fraser)

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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2019 23:24:25 -0500
From: "Ron Fraser" <[email-masked]>
To: "'Joe Brown'" <[email-masked]>, <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cam Thrust Plate

Joe=20

                Here is my best guess.

Your right they did not give you any instructions for this situation.

=20

The attached picture is what?s available today ? NPD has them.

=20

See that slot off to the side on that plate ? it is for extra lubrication ?=
 it extends over an oil passage in the block.

Please note that oil passage on your block should be plugged ? therefore th=
at plug needs to be removed before this thrust plate is installed.

=20

Personally I think I would return that timing set because they were useless=
 with their instructions and Tech support.

=20

I normally buy a Cloyes set.

=20

Ron Fraser

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From: Tigers <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Joe Brown via Tig=
ers
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 5:39 PM
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Subject: [Tigers] Cam Thrust Plate

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Hi,

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/p><p class=3DMsoNormal>To: &quot;'Joe Brown'&quot; &lt;[email-masked]=
om&gt;, &lt;[email-masked]&gt;</p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Subject: Re: =
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sp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Joe </p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
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class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Your right they=
 did not give you any instructions for this situation.</p><p class=3DMsoNor=
mal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal> </p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>The attached picture is what?s avail=
able today ? NPD has them.</p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> </p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal>See that slot off to the side on that plate ? it is for extra =
lubrication ? it extends over an oil passage in the block.</p><p class=3DMs=
oNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Please note that oil pass=
age on your block should be plugged ? therefore that plug needs to be remov=
ed before this thrust plate is installed.</p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal> </p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p=
></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Personally I think I would return that timing set=
 because they were useless with their instructions and Tech support.</p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal> </p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I normally buy a Clo=
yes set.</p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>=
 </p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Ron Fra=
ser</p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal> </p>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>From: Tigers=
 &lt;[email-masked]&gt; On Behalf Of Joe Brown via Tigers</p=
><p class=3DMsoNormal>Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 5:39 PM</p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal>To: Tigers Den &lt;[email-masked]&gt;</p><p class=3DMso=
Normal>Subject: [Tigers] Cam Thrust Plate</p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal> </p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p=
></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Hi,</p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal> </p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p clas=
s=3DMsoNormal>I bought an Edelbrock 7820 timing chain set to go on my 260 a=
nd the instructions say to remove the original cam thrust plate and spacer =
and replace it with Ford thrust plate=C2=A0 # C9OZ-6269-A.=C2=A0 These inst=
ructions do not explain WHY the plate needs to be replaced.=C2=A0 I called =
Edelbrock and the guy I spoke to was useless.=C2=A0 I pointed out that the =
Ford part number they listed appears to be obsolete and his response was to=
 send me a link to Ebay where an old one is for sale.=C2=A0 I've found some=
 other vendors that have replacements for this number.=C2=A0 Does anybody k=
now why a different thrust plate would be required for the Edelbrock timing=
 chain set?</p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNorm=
al> </p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Than=
ks,</p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Joe B=
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