Subject: Re: [Tigers] Air Cleaner Question

From: Jim Buster via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 22:28:35 -0700

I’ve always wondered about that. I can’t imagine it would have enough pull to work the vacuum advance. 

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> Hi,
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> On the oval style air cleaner base there are two hose fittings.  The larger one goes to the air breather on the driver's side valve cover.  What does the small fitting hook up to? Vacuum advance on the distributor?
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> Thanks,
> Joe Brown
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yes :-) smaller to vac advance

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> On the oval style air cleaner base there are two hose fittings.  The
> larger one goes to the air breather on the driver's side valve cover.  What
> does the small fitting hook up to? Vacuum advance on the distributor?
>
> Thanks,
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<div dir=3D"ltr">yes :-) smaller to vac advance</div><br><div class=3D"gmai=
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s.=C2=A0 The larger one goes to the air breather on the driver&#39;s side v=
alve cover.=C2=A0 What does the small fitting hook up to? Vacuum advance on=
 the distributor?</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Joe Brown</div=
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From: Ron Fraser via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 07:54:27 -0400

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Joe

                The small fitting is part of the heat riser choke =
system.

Parts list section AF, plate D, part # 149.

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Steel pipe goes from air cleaner to the bottom of the stock Ford exhaust =
manifold.

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Distributor vacuum advance goes to the base of the carb.

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Ron Fraser

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On the oval style air cleaner base there are two hose fittings.  The =
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riser choke system.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Parts list =
section AF, plate D, part # 149.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Steel pipe =
goes from air cleaner to the bottom of the stock Ford exhaust =
manifold.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Distributor vacuum advance goes to the base of the =
carb.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Ron Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p =
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Tigers &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Joe =
Brown via Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 16, 2018 5:15 =
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class=3DMsoNormal>On the oval style air cleaner base there are two hose =
fittings.&nbsp; The larger one goes to the air breather on the driver's =
side valve cover.&nbsp; What does the small fitting hook up to? Vacuum =
advance on the distributor?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
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From: Stu via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 08:07:43 -0400

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That feeds clean air down to a little "stove" on the passenger side (in US)
stock exhaust manifold. This clean hot air is then sucked back up to the
choke control, heating the bimetal coil that controls the choke position.

Stu

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Tha=
t feeds clean air down to a little &quot;stove&quot; on the passenger side =
(in US) stock exhaust manifold. This clean hot air is then sucked back up t=
o the choke control, heating the bimetal coil that controls the choke posit=
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t">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
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1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi,<div><br></div><div>On the oval style air cleaner =
base there are two hose fittings.=C2=A0 The larger one goes to the air brea=
ther on the driver&#39;s side valve cover.=C2=A0 What does the small fittin=
g hook up to? Vacuum advance on the distributor?</div><div><br></div><div>T=
hanks,</div><div>Joe Brown</div></div>
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Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 09:21:52 -0400 (EDT)

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Joe:

No, that is not to be used to connect the vacuum advance line from the distributor.  Although I am unclear on its function, I can tell you where it connects.  There is a small metal tube that inserts into a hole in the passenger-side exhaust manifold on the forward-facing side of the #4 exhaust runner.  It runs up the side of the engine and over the top of the passenger-side valve cover, terminating just short of the hose fitting that you are referring to on the air cleaner base.  A short piece of rubber hose is then used to connect the tube to the a/c fitting.  My guess is that it is used to direct some warm air into the induction system for assistance in quicker morning warm-ups after the initial start, but there are those on the list who are more learned than I on things like this who I'm sure will chime in with its real function.

I'm assuming that your car is missing this tube, as was mine before I restored the engine compartment.  I was able to get one from one of the classic Mustang/Ford parts suppliers, and then simply bent it to fit by using pics of the cars "back in the day" as a guide.  Let me know if you want a pic and I can get one to you.  

Thanks,

Andy Walker

Edmond, OK

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on its function, I can tell you where it connects.&#160; There is a small m=
etal tube that inserts into a hole in the passenger-side exhaust manifold o=
n the forward-facing side of the #4 exhaust runner.&#160; It runs up the si=
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ating just short of the hose fitting that you are referring to on the air c=
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From: "Gary M. Gere via Tigers" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 14:27:46 -0700

I believe the small vacuum fitting on the underside of the oval air cleaner goes to the inlet (cold) side of the hot air choke for the carburetor. It provides “clean“ air that gets pulled through the exhaust manifold automatic choke tube to the hot air choke. If you have an electric choke, you can put a vacuum on this fitting.

Please refer to Sunbeam 260-289 workshop manual, section B, page 6, figure 6 “automatic choke heat chamber” - The vacuum hose from the underside of the oval air cleaner goes to the “air inlet tube” labeled “from clean side of air cleaner“.

-Gary

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From: Gary Winblad via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 14:36:11 -0700

WHAT?
The original question was about the small fitting on the AIR CLEANER.  
No vacuum there.
The fitting was for the original heat riser choke as someone else mentioned.
If you did away with that, you should plug the fitting so you don't get 
un-filtered air into
your intake.
With regards to the choke, I am like someone else mentioned, I did away 
with the choke
in about 1975..  no need for one (at least in California), you just 
feather the throttle a
little until it warms up.  I never tried an electric choke but the 
original and a manual
cable conversion were both too much trouble and never worked right.
Save the money you save on a choke kit and buy a MSD-6 box.  The 
multiple hot sparks
means if it misses, the next spark fires it.  WORKS GREAT from cold 
start for me.
Oh, you do need a working accelerator pump to get the initial start.. A 
problem I am
having with current Ethanol gas(I presume).
Gary

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> On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 at 13:06, Joe Brown via Tigers 
> <[email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>> wrote:
>
>     Hi,
>
>     On the oval style air cleaner base there are two hose fittings. 
>     The larger one goes to the air breather on the driver's side valve
>     cover.  What does the small fitting hook up to? Vacuum advance on
>     the distributor?
>
>     Thanks,
>     Joe Brown
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Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2018 00:58:02 +0000

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In the late 60's, the way Ford used to supply hot air for the choke "stove"=
 was route air from the air cleaner or a carb port, through a pipe in the p=
assenger side exhaust manifold and up to the choke housing. The manifold ha=
d two ports sticking out of it, one for air in, one for air out. I think th=
at's what we're looking at here. In the early 70's or so, Ford moved the pi=
pe to the intake manifold, just under the choke.

Steve

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To: Joe Brown; Joe Brown via Tigers
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Air Cleaner Question

Joe:

No, that is not to be used to connect the vacuum advance line from the dist=
ributor.  Although I am unclear on its function, I can tell you where it co=
nnects.  There is a small metal tube that inserts into a hole in the passen=
ger-side exhaust manifold on the forward-facing side of the #4 exhaust runn=
er.  It runs up the side of the engine and over the top of the passenger-si=
de valve cover, terminating just short of the hose fitting that you are ref=
erring to on the air cleaner base.  A short piece of rubber hose is then us=
ed to connect the tube to the a/c fitting.  My guess is that it is used to =
direct some warm air into the induction system for assistance in quicker mo=
rning warm-ups after the initial start, but there are those on the list who=
 are more learned than I on things like this who I'm sure will chime in wit=
h its real function.

I'm assuming that your car is missing this tube, as was mine before I resto=
red the engine compartment.  I was able to get one from one of the classic =
Mustang/Ford parts suppliers, and then simply bent it to fit by using pics =
of the cars "back in the day" as a guide.  Let me know if you want a pic an=
d I can get one to you.

Thanks,

Andy Walker

Edmond, OK

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 wrote:

Hi,

On the oval style air cleaner base there are two hose fittings.  The larger=
 one goes to the air breather on the driver's side valve cover.  What does =
the small fitting hook up to? Vacuum advance on the distributor?

Thanks,
Joe Brown

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<p style=3D"margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">In the late 60's, the way Ford us=
ed to supply hot air for the choke &quot;stove&quot; was route air from the=
 air cleaner or a carb port, through a pipe in&nbsp;the passenger side exha=
ust manifold and up to the choke housing. The manifold
 had two ports sticking out of it, one for air in, one for air out. I think=
 that's what we're looking at here. In the early 70's or so, Ford moved the=
 pipe to the intake manifold, just under the choke.</p>
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<p>No, that is not to be used to connect the vacuum advance line from the d=
istributor.&nbsp; Although I am unclear on its function, I can tell you whe=
re it connects.&nbsp; There is a small metal tube that inserts into a hole =
in the passenger-side exhaust manifold on
 the forward-facing side of the #4 exhaust runner.&nbsp; It runs up the sid=
e of the engine and over the top of the passenger-side valve cover, termina=
ting just short of the hose fitting that you are referring to on the air cl=
eaner base.&nbsp; A short piece of rubber
 hose is then used to connect the tube to the a/c fitting.&nbsp; My guess i=
s that it is used to direct some warm air into the induction system for ass=
istance in quicker morning warm-ups after the initial start, but there are =
those on the list who are more learned
 than I on things like this who I'm sure will chime in with its real functi=
on.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>I'm assuming that your car is missing this tube, as was mine before I re=
stored the engine compartment.&nbsp; I was able to get one from one of the =
classic Mustang/Ford parts suppliers, and then simply bent it to fit by usi=
ng pics of the cars &quot;back in the day&quot;
 as a guide.&nbsp; Let me know if you want a pic and I can get one to you.&=
nbsp;&nbsp;</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Andy Walker</p>
<p>Edmond, OK</p>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">On October 16, 2018 at 5:15 PM Joe Brown via Tige=
rs &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi,
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<div>On the oval style air cleaner base there are two hose fittings.&nbsp; =
The larger one goes to the air breather on the driver's side valve cover.&n=
bsp; What does the small fitting hook up to? Vacuum advance on the distribu=
tor?</div>
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</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Joe Brown</div>
</div>
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