Subject: Re: [Tigers] voltage regulator- Don's suggestions

From: Larry Mayfield via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 17:35:54 -0700

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Well, today I took one of the Voltage Stabilizers apart. No not the one in
the car but one from an old Alpine.  Folks, the design and implementation
are NOT rocket science, lol. The internals look as described in the shop
manual. But everything is on a miniscule scale. The post where the input
power is applied is the attachment for a u shaped piece that goes around a
binding post for the wire coil inside. The input post is like one leg of the
letter U. The other leg has the absolutely dinky points.  And that leg is
wrapped with wire that makes a hair look large by comparison (artistic
license taken here, but it is very small).   The U shaped piece is very very
thin.  After looking at it and fiddling with it, I still do not see exactly
how it works. I suspect that the heater wire is non functional though. I'll
measure tomorrow. 

Now, as I keep mentioning, I am no sparky. Electrical stuff makes me want to
scream loudly. But I see that there are lots of voltage regulators on ebay
and I have in the past purchased and used some of them. Most are PWM motor
supplies but can be dial in to deliver a regulated voltage.  Mast are dirt
cheap coming from you know where. Seems to me that one of these would also
work if it is just 10 volts out put that is needed. Heck there might even be
an Arduino board that would do the trick also.  What about a 10 volt dc-dc
power supply?  

Thoughts? 

mayf

From: Don Antilla [mailto:[email-masked]] 
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 9:30 AM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: voltage regulator- Don's suggestions

Hi Mayf:

 Gary suggested I send you my thoughts.

Regards,

Don Antilla

On 9/22/16, 12:02 PM, "Don Antilla" <[email-masked]

Gary:

These are simple devices as you most probably know.

The theory is that the duty cycle of the contacts  open/closed is preset 

so an average of around 7-10 volts (forgot which, but not important to this
part of the troubleshooting) is achieved over a longer sample period.

Since the original Ford gauges react slowly by design on order to not have 

a jittery pointer, they are intentionally designed as thermal gauges that 

heat up slightly as a function of the average 12/0/12/0/12. volt 

open/closed points.

Since there is no significant energy that needs to be dissipated when the 

instruments are powered by the open/closed bimetal strip, there is no 

benefit to add any capacitor to the circuit. The points open/closing do 

not even bother the old fashioned radios in almost all cases.

I've been reading the posts and I should add that one of the more common 

causes of it not working is failure to properly GROUND the case of the 

mini regulator./ You must ground it because the incoming 12 volts that 

heats up the bimetal strip depends on the case of the regulator being 

grounded in order to heat up the bimetal strip and cause it to open and 

close.

If no ground, then the full 100% duty cycle voltage is sent to the gauges 

resulting in improper readings.

If I were to check one of these regulators, I'd check for continuity from 

the tab on the case to the INPUT 12 volt terminal; you should see the 

resistance of the heating coil inside the regulator.

Then, with no power to the regulator, I'd look for continuity of the 12 

volt Input terminal to the Output terminal

Don Antilla

203 264-8301 Home

203 592-8427 Cell

 

On 9/22/16, 11:01 AM, "Tigers on behalf of Gary Winblad via Tigers" 

I've never had one fail so I don't know.

If you are sure yours is bad, take it apart and let us all know, I am 

curious too.

The current is low, I would guess the heating wire might have opened up 

and

could possibly be re connected.

Gary

On 9/21/2016 9:32 PM, Larry Mayfield via Tigers wrote:

You know I have been thinking about that little sucker.  Just what is 

in it to go bad? The points? Or. Why does it fail. Would a capacitor 

in the circuit help in the output to prevent flyback voltages (there 

is an inductor in the loop a lot like points and ignition coil)?  Not 

a sparky, but curious.

Whadda I know.

mayf

 Don Antilla

203 264-8301 Home

203 592-8427 Cell

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Well, today I took one of the Voltage =
Stabilizers apart. No not the one in the car but one from an old =
Alpine.&nbsp; Folks, the design and implementation are NOT rocket =
science, lol. The internals look as described in the shop manual. But =
everything is on a miniscule scale. The post where the input power is =
applied is the attachment for a u shaped piece that goes around a =
binding post for the wire coil inside. The input post is like one leg of =
the letter U. The other leg has the absolutely dinky points.&nbsp; And =
that leg is wrapped with wire that makes a hair look large by comparison =
(artistic license taken here, but it is very small).&nbsp; &nbsp;The U =
shaped piece is very very thin. &nbsp;After looking at it and fiddling =
with it, I still do not see exactly how it works. I suspect that the =
heater wire is non functional though. I&#8217;ll measure tomorrow&#8230; =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Now, as I keep =
mentioning, I am no sparky. Electrical stuff makes me want to scream =
loudly. But I see that there are lots of voltage regulators on ebay and =
I have in the past purchased and used some of them. Most are PWM motor =
supplies but can be dial in to deliver a regulated voltage.&nbsp; Mast =
are dirt cheap coming from you know where. Seems to me that one of these =
would also work if it is just 10 volts out put that is needed. Heck =
there might even be an Arduino board that would do the trick also. =
&nbsp;What about a 10 volt dc-dc power supply?&nbsp; =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Thoughts? =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>mayf<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><a name=3D"_MailEndCompose"><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></a></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span><=
/b><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> =
Don Antilla [mailto:[email-masked]] <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, =
September 23, 2016 9:30 AM<br><b>To:</b> =
[email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> voltage regulator- Don's =
suggestions<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><i><span style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Comic =
Sans MS";color:black'>Hi Mayf:</span></i><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><i><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:black'>&nbsp;Gary suggested I send you my =
thoughts.</span></i><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><i><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:black'>Regards,</span></i><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><i><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>Don =
Antilla</span></i><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>On =
9/22/16, 12:02 PM, &quot;Don Antilla&quot; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-right:0in' =
id=3D"MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE"><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Gar=
y:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>The=
se are simple devices as you most probably =
know.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>The=
 theory is that the duty cycle of the contacts&nbsp;&nbsp;open/closed is =
preset&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>so =
an average of around 7-10 volts (forgot which, but not important to this =
part of the troubleshooting) is achieved over a longer sample =
period.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Sin=
ce the original Ford gauges react slowly by design on order to not =
have&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>a =
jittery pointer, they are intentionally designed as thermal gauges =
that&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>hea=
t up slightly as a function of the average 12/0/12/0/12&#8230; =
volt&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>ope=
n/closed points.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Sin=
ce there is no significant energy that needs to be dissipated when =
the&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>ins=
truments are powered by the open/closed bimetal strip, there is =
no&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>ben=
efit to add any capacitor to the circuit. The points open/closing =
do&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>not=
 even bother the old fashioned radios in almost all =
cases.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>I&#=
8217;ve been reading the posts and I should add that one of the more =
common&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>cau=
ses of it not working is failure to properly GROUND the case of =
the&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>min=
i regulator./ You must ground it because the incoming 12 volts =
that&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>hea=
ts up the bimetal strip depends on the case of the regulator =
being&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>gro=
unded in order to heat up the bimetal strip and cause it to open =
and&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>clo=
se.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>If =
no ground, then the full 100% duty cycle voltage is sent to the =
gauges&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>res=
ulting in improper readings.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>If =
I were to check one of these regulators, I&#8217;d check for continuity =
from&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>the=
 tab on the case to the INPUT 12 volt terminal; you should see =
the&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>res=
istance of the heating coil inside the =
regulator.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>The=
n, with no power to the regulator, I&#8217;d look for continuity of the =
12&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>vol=
t Input terminal to the Output =
terminal<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Don=
 Antilla<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>203=
 264-8301 Home<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>203=
 592-8427 Cell<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>On =
9/22/16, 11:01 AM, &quot;Tigers on behalf of Gary Winblad via =
Tigers&quot;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&lt=
;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
et</a>&nbsp;on behalf of&nbsp;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-right:0in' =
id=3D"MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE"><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>I'v=
e never had one fail so I don't know.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>If =
you are sure yours is bad, take it apart and let us all know, I =
am&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>cur=
ious too.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>The=
 current is low, I would guess the heating wire might have opened =
up&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>and=
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>cou=
ld possibly be re connected.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Gar=
y<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>On =
9/21/2016 9:32 PM, Larry Mayfield via Tigers =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-right:0in' =
id=3D"MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE"><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>You=
 know I have been thinking about that little sucker.&nbsp;&nbsp;Just =
what is&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>in =
it to go bad? The points? Or. Why does it fail. Would a =
capacitor&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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Don is correct, his comments paralleling those in my Tigers United gauge
article.  There's not much load on the points in the regulator, and
certainly not much inductive load, so the contacts don't get beat up like
those in an ignition system  distributor.  Adding a capacitor might
actually increase the load on the points, depending on the value.   And
many of the original regulators are still in service, mine being an
example.

The original type is under $40  from Rick, but the electronic one is $20
from Joe at Veloce....   decisions, decisions...

Stu

On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 12:55 AM, Theo Smit via Tigers <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> When I originally got my Tiger in 1998, the PO's mechanic had screwed the
> stabilizer into the back of the (wooden) dash panel, with the predictable
> result that the gauges read high especially when the gauge level was high=
.
> I then attached the stabilizer to the dash mounting rail as originally
> intended but this still didn't give consistent response, so then I went t=
o
> a solid state  regulator and really haven't looked back since. The IC I u=
se
> in the ones I and Tom sell is the LM2940, which is designed for automotiv=
e
> use and has built in protection for a variety of common automotive
> electrical transients. In addition I put in a low voltage detector that
> turns on a LED when the voltage gets below about 12.6 volts, so that the
> one wire alternator conversions would still get a status indication.
>
> I'm sure that Joe P put at least as much thought into the stabilizer he
> sells and I think either one will do exactly what you need.
>
> Cheers,
> Theo
>
> On Sep 23, 2016, at 9:37 PM, Larry Mayfield via Tigers <
> [email-masked]> wrote:
>
> Well, today I took one of the Voltage Stabilizers apart. No not the one i=
n
> power is applied is the attachment for a u shaped piece that goes around =
a
> binding post for the wire coil inside. The input post is like one leg of
> the letter U. The other leg has the absolutely dinky points.  And that le=
g
> is wrapped with wire that makes a hair look large by comparison (artistic
> license taken here, but it is very small).   The U shaped piece is very
> very thin.  After looking at it and fiddling with it, I still do not see
> exactly how it works. I suspect that the heater wire is non functional
> though. I=E2=80=99ll measure tomorrow=E2=80=A6
>
>
>
> Now, as I keep mentioning, I am no sparky. Electrical stuff makes me want
> to scream loudly. But I see that there are lots of voltage regulators on
> ebay and I have in the past purchased and used some of them. Most are PWM
> motor supplies but can be dial in to deliver a regulated voltage.  Mast a=
re
> dirt cheap coming from you know where. Seems to me that one of these woul=
d
> also work if it is just 10 volts out put that is needed. Heck there might
> even be an Arduino board that would do the trick also.  What about a 10
> volt dc-dc power supply?
>
>
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
>
> mayf
>
>
>
> *From:* Don Antilla [mailto:[email-masked] <[email-masked]>=
]
>
> *Sent:* Friday, September 23, 2016 9:30 AM
> *To:* [email-masked]
> *Subject:* voltage regulator- Don's suggestions
>
>
>
> *Hi Mayf:*
>
> * Gary suggested I send you my thoughts.*
>
> *Regards,*
>
> *Don Antilla*
>
>
>
>
>
> On 9/22/16, 12:02 PM, "Don Antilla" <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Gary:
>
> so an average of around 7-10 volts (forgot which, but not important to
> this part of the troubleshooting) is achieved over a longer sample period=
.
>
> Since the original Ford gauges react slowly by design on order to not hav=
e
> heat up slightly as a function of the average 12/0/12/0/12=E2=80=A6 volt
>
> open/closed points.
>
> I=E2=80=99ve been reading the posts and I should add that one of the more=
 common
> If I were to check one of these regulators, I=E2=80=99d check for continu=
ity from
> Then, with no power to the regulator, I=E2=80=99d look for continuity of =
the 12
> <[email-masked] on behalf of [email-masked]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Whadda I know=E2=80=A6
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Don=
 is correct, his comments paralleling those in my Tigers United gauge artic=
le.=C2=A0 There&#39;s not much load on the points in the regulator, and cer=
tainly not much inductive load, so the contacts don&#39;t get beat up like =
those in an ignition system =C2=A0distributor.=C2=A0 Adding a capacitor mig=
ht actually increase the load on the points, depending on the value. =C2=A0=
 And many of the original regulators are still in service, mine being an ex=
ample. =C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:sm=
all"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">The o=
riginal type is under $40 =C2=A0from Rick, but the electronic one is $20 fr=
om Joe at Veloce.... =C2=A0 decisions, decisions...</div><div class=3D"gmai=
l_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default"=
 style=3D"font-size:small">Stu=C2=A0</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">=
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 12:55 AM, Theo Smit =
via Tigers <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" t=
arget=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote=
 class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc soli=
d;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div></div><div style=3D"direction:in=
herit">When I originally got my Tiger in 1998, the PO&#39;s mechanic had sc=
rewed the stabilizer into the back of the (wooden) dash panel, with the pre=
dictable result that the gauges read high especially when the gauge level w=
as high. I then attached the stabilizer to the dash mounting rail as origin=
ally intended but this still didn&#39;t give consistent response, so then I=
 went to a solid state =C2=A0regulator and really haven&#39;t looked back s=
ince. The IC I use in the ones I and Tom sell is the LM2940, which is desig=
ned for automotive use and has built in protection for a variety of common =
automotive electrical transients. In addition I put in a low voltage detect=
or that turns on a LED when the voltage gets below about 12.6 volts, so tha=
t the one wire alternator conversions would still get a status indication.=
=C2=A0</div><div style=3D"direction:inherit"><br></div><div style=3D"direct=
ion:inherit">I&#39;m sure that Joe P put at least as much thought into the =
stabilizer he sells and I think either one will do exactly what you need.=
=C2=A0</div><div style=3D"direction:inherit"><br></div><div style=3D"direct=
ion:inherit">Cheers,</div><div style=3D"direction:inherit">Theo</div><div><=
br>On Sep 23, 2016, at 9:37 PM, Larry Mayfield via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
 wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">Well, today I took one of the Voltage St=
abilizers apart. No not the one in the car but one from an old Alpine.=C2=
=A0 Folks, the design and implementation are NOT rocket science, lol. The i=
nternals look as described in the shop manual. But everything is on a minis=
cule scale. The post where the input power is applied is the attachment for=
 a u shaped piece that goes around a binding post for the wire coil inside.=
 The input post is like one leg of the letter U. The other leg has the abso=
lutely dinky points.=C2=A0 And that leg is wrapped with wire that makes a h=
air look large by comparison (artistic license taken here, but it is very s=
mall).=C2=A0 =C2=A0The U shaped piece is very very thin.=C2=A0 After lookin=
g at it and fiddling with it, I still do not see exactly how it works. I su=
spect that the heater wire is non functional though. I=E2=80=99ll measure t=
omorrow=E2=80=A6 <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span styl=
e=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
span style=3D"color:#1f497d">Now, as I keep mentioning, I am no sparky. Ele=
ctrical stuff makes me want to scream loudly. But I see that there are lots=
 of voltage regulators on ebay and I have in the past purchased and used so=
me of them. Most are PWM motor supplies but can be dial in to deliver a reg=
ulated voltage.=C2=A0 Mast are dirt cheap coming from you know where. Seems=
 to me that one of these would also work if it is just 10 volts out put tha=
t is needed. Heck there might even be an Arduino board that would do the tr=
ick also.=C2=A0 What about a 10 volt dc-dc power supply?=C2=A0 <u></u><u></=
u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d=
">Thoughts? <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"=
color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:#1f497d">mayf<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><a name=3D"m_-7676602653746151457__MailEndCompose"><span style=3D"color:#1=
f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></a></p><div><div style=3D"border:none;bo=
rder-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans=
-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;C=
alibri&quot;,sans-serif"> Don Antilla [<a href=3D"mailto:fast427@sbcglobal.=
net" target=3D"_blank">mailto:[email-masked]</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> F=
riday, September 23, 2016 9:30 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:drmayf@ma=
yfco.com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><br><b>Subject:</b> voltag=
e regulator- Don&#39;s suggestions<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><i><=
span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;;color:=
black">Hi Mayf:</span></i><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot=
;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal"><i><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;C=
omic Sans MS&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0Gary suggested I send you my thoughts=
.</span></i><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,s=
ans-serif;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><i><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&q=
uot;;color:black">Regards,</span></i><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-f=
amily:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p></=
div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><i><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;;color:black">Don Antilla</span></i><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"=
><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"=
font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><u><=
/u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D=
"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><u>=
</u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">=
On 9/22/16, 12:02 PM, &quot;Don Antilla&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fast427=
@sbcglobal.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<u></=
u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></span></p></div><blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:sol=
id #b5c4df 4.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-right:=
0in"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-famil=
y:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Gary:<u></u><u></u></span></p><=
/div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-famil=
y:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">These are simple devices as you=
 most probably know.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-seri=
f;color:black">The theory is that the duty cycle of the contacts=C2=A0=C2=
=A0open/closed is preset=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot=
;,sans-serif;color:black">so an average of around 7-10 volts (forgot which,=
 but not important to this part of the troubleshooting) is achieved over a =
longer sample period.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-ser=
if;color:black">Since the original Ford gauges react slowly by design on or=
der to not have=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-ser=
if;color:black">a jittery pointer, they are intentionally designed as therm=
al gauges that=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-seri=
f;color:black">heat up slightly as a function of the average 12/0/12/0/12=
=E2=80=A6 volt=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-seri=
f;color:black">open/closed points.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&q=
uot;,sans-serif;color:black">Since there is no significant energy that need=
s to be dissipated when the=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&qu=
ot;,sans-serif;color:black">instruments are powered by the open/closed bime=
tal strip, there is no=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,s=
ans-serif;color:black">benefit to add any capacitor to the circuit. The poi=
nts open/closing do=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans=
-serif;color:black">not even bother the old fashioned radios in almost all =
cases.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"=
><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black=
">I=E2=80=99ve been reading the posts and I should add that one of the more=
 common=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color=
:black">causes of it not working is failure to properly GROUND the case of =
the=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:bla=
ck">mini regulator./ You must ground it because the incoming 12 volts that=
=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"=
>heats up the bimetal strip depends on the case of the regulator being=C2=
=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">=
grounded in order to heat up the bimetal strip and cause it to open and=C2=
=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">=
close.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"=
><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black=
">If no ground, then the full 100% duty cycle voltage is sent to the gauges=
=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"=
>resulting in improper readings.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quo=
t;,sans-serif;color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&qu=
ot;,sans-serif;color:black">If I were to check one of these regulators, I=
=E2=80=99d check for continuity from=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><d=
iv><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot=
;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">the tab on the case to the INPUT 12 vo=
lt terminal; you should see the=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Aria=
l&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">resistance of the heating coil inside the r=
egulator.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:bla=
ck">Then, with no power to the regulator, I=E2=80=99d look for continuity o=
f the 12=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;colo=
r:black">volt Input terminal to the Output terminal<u></u><u></u></span></p=
></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Don Antilla<u></u><u></u></sp=
an></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><a href=3D"tel:203%2026=
4-8301" value=3D"+12032648301" target=3D"_blank">203 264-8301</a> Home<u></=
u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><a href=3D=
"tel:203%20592-8427" value=3D"+12035928427" target=3D"_blank">203 592-8427<=
/a> Cell<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:blac=
k"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:bla=
ck"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:bl=
ack"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=
 style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:b=
lack"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:=
black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color=
:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;colo=
r:black">On 9/22/16, 11:01 AM, &quot;Tigers on behalf of Gary Winblad via T=
igers&quot;=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;c=
olor:black">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"=
_blank">[email-masked]</a><wbr>=C2=A0on behalf of=C2=A0<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;col=
or:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><blockquote style=3D"border:=
none;border-left:solid #b5c4df 4.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;margin-left:=
3.75pt;margin-right:0in"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">I&#39;ve ne=
ver had one fail so I don&#39;t know.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Aria=
l&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">If you are sure yours is bad, take it apart=
 and let us all know, I am=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quo=
t;,sans-serif;color:black">curious too.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">The current is low, I would guess the hea=
ting wire might have opened up=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial=
&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">and<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&q=
uot;,sans-serif;color:black">could possibly be re connected.<u></u><u></u><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt=
;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Gary<u></u><u></u></=
span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;=
font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt=
;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u>=
</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:13.5p=
t;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">On 9/21/2016 9:32 P=
M, Larry Mayfield via Tigers wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><blockquo=
te style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #b5c4df 4.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in=
 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-right:0in"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color=
:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;colo=
r:black">You know I have been thinking about that little sucker.=C2=A0=C2=
=A0Just what is=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-ser=
if;color:black">in it to go bad? The points? Or. Why does it fail. Would a =
capacitor=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;col=
or:black">in the circuit help in the output to prevent flyback voltages (th=
ere=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:bla=
ck">is an inductor in the loop a lot like points and ignition coil)?=C2=A0=
=C2=A0Not=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;col=
or:black">a sparky, but curious.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quo=
t;,sans-serif;color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&qu=
ot;,sans-serif;color:black">Whadda I know=E2=80=A6<u></u><u></u></span></p>=
</div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-fami=
ly:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p=
></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">mayf<u></u><u></u></span></p>=
</div></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><i=
><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;;colo=
r:black">=C2=A0Don Antilla</span></i><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-f=
amily:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p></=
div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><i><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;fon=
t-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;;color:black"><a href=3D"tel:203%20264-83=
01" value=3D"+12032648301" target=3D"_blank">203 264-8301</a> Home</span></=
i><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;=
color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><i>=
<span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Comic Sans MS&quot;;color=
:black"><a href=3D"tel:203%20592-8427" value=3D"+12035928427" target=3D"_bl=
ank">203 592-8427</a> Cell</span></i><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-f=
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div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family=
:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><=
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