Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mk2 values

From: CoolVT--- via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 13:43:09 -0400

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In dealing with overpriced real estate I tell the seller that,  "I know 
that we are far apart in what we think the house is worth. I understand  that 
you want to get as much as possible and I would do the same thing if I was  
selling. Even though we can't agree right now, could you take my contact  
information (have your information on a bright colored card or paper) and at  
least give us a chance to talk if you decide that you might be willing to go 
a  little lower?."
You know that he's not coming down now and he may die before  he comes 
down.  But, at least this is giving him the chance to shop around  for a better 
price and hopefully leaves the door open for you in the  future.  Whenever 
I've used that approach the seller has always come back  for a discussion.  
Sometimes the deal can be made and other times someone  will want it more 
than you do.
Won't hurt to check in with the seller every 6 months to say  hello.  He'll 
bring up the car discussion if you call:-) 

In a message dated 9/16/2016 12:59:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[email-masked] writes:

Thank you all who contributed to my question about MKII  values. I have 
used the Hagerty Valuation tool many times, but  I couple that knowledge with 
personal experiences. 

I am aware of a Tiger Mk II "for sale" that I'm trying negotiate the  
possible sale of. Admittedly I was hoping to do  so without opening up the 
floodgates of other competition, hence my  lack of detail.

He's asking 80 grand for a non driving car, with many critical MKII  pieces 
that have not yet been confirmed. He may have them but I haven't seen  
them. The car does start, but does not drive. It also is packed in a  garage 
with stuff all around it, obstructing some of its  inspection, but its very 
clearly a MKII. It is recorded in  TBON. No visible rust but may have some body 
filler, amount  unknown. Communication is poor with the seller and his 
expectations are  unreasonable. He quotes a 240K sale on a MKII and is confident 
 his car is worth 70-80 grand. I didn't think it is. I know of a  couple 
driver quality MKII's that recently sold for less than 100k.  Frustrating 
situation. He has no inspiration to build the car, only to get  rich off of it. 
If the deal was right, I could possibly buy the car but I have  no desire to 
overpay. I think the car is maybe "worth" 45 or 50 but he would  just 
laugh. I have offered him 30 without confirmation of the grill, top  of grill 
trim and wheel arches, and he didn't even respond to my offer.

Thank you so much for understanding and thank you for helping with  
discussion on values. Just trying to make sure I am representing my case  
realistically to the potential seller. My patience  for negotiation is running out. 
I've been lightly pursuing the  car since early 2013. 

Thank you all!

Cullen

On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 12:36 PM, Randall Antosiak <[email-masked] 
(mailto:[email-masked]) > wrote:

Hi Cullen - 
As a starting point to determine the value of your car, you can  go to the 
Hagerty web site and look it up.  This site can give you a  ball park number:
_https://www.hagerty.com/apps/https://www.hagerty.com/appshttps://www_ 
(https://www.hagerty.com/apps/valuationtools/1967-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mk_II) 

Cars in #4 condition are daily drivers, and Hagerty gives the  Mk 2 a value 
of $67,500 in this condition.  

Since you wrote your car is a basketcase and doesn't drive, it  will be 
worth less.  However, as long as you have all the rare parts  (wheel arch trim, 
rocker trim, grill, eyebrow, tach), then I would guess a  rock bottom value 
around $55k -60k.

- Randy

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 From: Cullen McCann via Tigers  <[email-masked] 
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To: Tigers Den <[email-masked] (mailto:[email-masked]) > 
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:30  PM
Subject: [Tigers] Mk2  values

Dear friends. I would like the list opinion on Mark 2 Tiger  values these 
days. We have all seen several come and go at auction in  restored condition. 
I realize this question is so subjective it's nearly  impossible to answer. 
At least give me a Range. Assuming the following conditions are  true:
Authentic mk2 tiger. 
No visible rust or collision  damage. 
Matching engine, trans and rear end
Complete car with egg  crate grill and wheel arch trim
Hardtop included. 
Runs but does not  drive. 
Complete but needs total restoration. Basketcase. 
Been in  same family for 30 years. 
What's the least a person would expect to pay?
What the  most?

Thanks friends!!
Cullen
LROFE

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  <DIV>Thank you all!</DIV>
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  <DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 12:36 PM, Randall Antosi=
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    <DIV><SPAN>Hi Cullen -&nbsp;</SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN>As a starting point to determine the value of your car, you=
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    go to the Hagerty web site and look it up.&nbsp; This site can give yo=
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    <DIV dir=3Dltr>Cars in #4 condition are daily drivers, and Hagerty giv=
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    will be worth less.&nbsp; However, as long as you have all the rare pa=
rts=20
    (wheel arch trim, rocker trim, grill, eyebrow, tach), then I would gue=
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    rock bottom value around $55k -60k.</DIV>
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    <DIV dir=3Dltr>- Randy</DIV>
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    <B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Cullen McCann vi=
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    <DIV dir=3Dltr>Dear friends. I would like the list opinion on Mark 2=
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    restored condition. I realize this question is so subjective it's near=
ly=20
    impossible to answer. </DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr>At least give me a Range. Assuming the following condit=
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    true:</DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr>Authentic mk2 tiger.&nbsp;<BR>No visible rust or collis=
ion=20
    damage. <BR>Matching engine, trans and rear end<BR>Complete car with=
 egg=20
    crate grill and wheel arch trim<BR>Hardtop included. <BR>Runs but does=
 not=20
    drive. <BR>Complete but needs total restoration. Basketcase. <BR>Been=
 in=20
    same family for 30 years. </DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr>What's the least a person would expect to pay?<BR>What=
 the=20
    most?<BR></DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr>Thanks friends!!</DIV>
    <DIV=20
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