Subject: [Tigers] Mk2 values

From: Cullen McCann via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 20:30:35 -0500

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Dear friends. I would like the list opinion on Mark 2 Tiger values these
days. We have all seen several come and go at auction in restored
condition. I realize this question is so subjective it's nearly impossible
to answer.

At least give me a Range. Assuming the following conditions are true:

Authentic mk2 tiger.
No visible rust or collision damage.
Matching engine, trans and rear end
Complete car with egg crate grill and wheel arch trim
Hardtop included.
Runs but does not drive.
Complete but needs total restoration. Basketcase.
Been in same family for 30 years.

What's the least a person would expect to pay?
What the most?

Thanks friends!!

Cullen
LROFE

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<p dir=3D"ltr">Dear friends. I would like the list opinion on Mark 2 Tiger =
values these days. We have all seen several come and go at auction in resto=
red condition. I realize this question is so subjective it&#39;s nearly imp=
ossible to answer. </p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">At least give me a Range. Assuming the following conditions =
are true:</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Authentic mk2 tiger.=C2=A0<br>
No visible rust or collision damage. <br>
Matching engine, trans and rear end<br>
Complete car with egg crate grill and wheel arch trim<br>
Hardtop included. <br>
Runs but does not drive. <br>
Complete but needs total restoration. Basketcase. <br>
Been in same family for 30 years. </p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">What&#39;s the least a person would expect to pay?<br>
What the most?<br></p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Thanks friends!!</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Cullen<br>
LROFE</p>

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From: Ron Fraser via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2016 13:28:20 -0400

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Cullen

                I believe Hagerty Insurance has a calculator on their =
web site that might help you.

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Without pictures it is difficult to understand Basket case and why does =
it not drive?

Brakes?   Clutch system?   Tires?   Other?

=20

Ron Fraser

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From: Tigers [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Cullen =
McCann via Tigers
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 9:31 PM
To: Tigers Den <[email-masked]>
Subject: [Tigers] Mk2 values

=20

Dear friends. I would like the list opinion on Mark 2 Tiger values these =
days. We have all seen several come and go at auction in restored =
condition. I realize this question is so subjective it's nearly =
impossible to answer.=20

Authentic mk2 tiger.=20
No visible rust or collision damage.=20
Matching engine, trans and rear end
Complete car with egg crate grill and wheel arch trim
Hardtop included.=20
Runs but does not drive.=20
Complete but needs total restoration. Basketcase.=20
Been in same family for 30 years.=20

Thanks friends!!

Cullen
LROFE

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class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Cullen<o:p></=
o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
 I believe Hagerty Insurance has a calculator on their web site that =
might help you.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</=
o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Without =
pictures it is difficult to understand Basket case and why does it not =
drive?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Brakes?=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 Clutch system?=C2=A0=C2=A0 Tires?=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0Other?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</=
o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Ron =
Fraser<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</=
o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span><=
/b><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> =
Tigers [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Cullen =
McCann via Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 07, 2016 9:31 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> Tigers Den =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> [Tigers] Mk2 =
values<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p>Dear friends. I would like the =
list opinion on Mark 2 Tiger values these days. We have all seen several =
come and go at auction in restored condition. I realize this question is =
so subjective it's nearly impossible to answer. <o:p></o:p></p><p>At =
least give me a Range. Assuming the following conditions are =
true:<o:p></o:p></p><p>Authentic mk2 tiger.&nbsp;<br>No visible rust or =
collision damage. <br>Matching engine, trans and rear end<br>Complete =
car with egg crate grill and wheel arch trim<br>Hardtop included. =
<br>Runs but does not drive. <br>Complete but needs total restoration. =
Basketcase. <br>Been in same family for 30 years. =
<o:p></o:p></p><p>What's the least a person would expect to pay?<br>What =
the most?<o:p></o:p></p><p>Thanks =
friends!!<o:p></o:p></p><p>Cullen<br>LROFE<o:p></o:p></p></div></body></h=
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From: Randall Antosiak via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2016 17:36:59 +0000 (UTC)

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Hi Cullen -=C2=A0As a starting point to determine the value of your car, yo=
u can go to the Hagerty web site and look it up. =C2=A0This site can give y=
ou a ball park number:https://www.hagerty.com/apps/valuationtools/1967-Sunb=
eam-Tiger-Mk_II

Cars in #4 condition are daily drivers, and Hagerty gives the Mk 2 a value =
of $67,500 in this condition. =C2=A0
Since you wrote your car is a basketcase and doesn't drive, it will be wort=
h less. =C2=A0However, as long as you have all the rare parts (wheel arch t=
rim, rocker trim, grill, eyebrow, tach), then I would guess a rock bottom v=
alue around $55k -60k.
- Randy

      From: Cullen McCann via Tigers <[email-masked]>
 To: Tigers Den <[email-masked]>=20
 Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:30 PM
 Subject: [Tigers] Mk2 values
  =20
Dear friends. I would like the list opinion on Mark 2 Tiger values these da=
ys. We have all seen several come and go at auction in restored condition. =
I realize this question is so subjective it's nearly impossible to answer. =
At least give me a Range. Assuming the following conditions are true:Authen=
tic mk2 tiger.=C2=A0
No visible rust or collision damage.=20
Matching engine, trans and rear end
Complete car with egg crate grill and wheel arch trim
Hardtop included.=20
Runs but does not drive.=20
Complete but needs total restoration. Basketcase.=20
Been in same family for 30 years. What's the least a person would expect to=
 pay?
What the most?
Thanks friends!!Cullen
LROFE
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ont-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, =
sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473352699909_30131=
"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473352699909_30271">Hi Cullen -&nbsp;</spa=
n></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473352699909_30131"><span id=3D"yui_3=
_16_0_ym19_1_1473352699909_30272">As a starting point to determine the valu=
e of your car, you can go to the Hagerty web site and look it up. &nbsp;Thi=
s site can give you a ball park number:</span></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_y=
m19_1_1473352699909_30131" dir=3D"ltr"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_147335=
2699909_30246"><a href=3D"https://www.hagerty.com/apps/valuationtools/1967-=
Sunbeam-Tiger-Mk_II" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473352699909_30243">https://w=
ww.hagerty.com/apps/valuationtools/1967-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mk_II</a><br></span><=
/div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473352699909_30131" dir=3D"ltr"><br></di=
v><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473352699909_30131" dir=3D"ltr">Cars in #4 =
condition are daily drivers, and Hagerty gives the Mk 2 a value of $67,500 =
in this condition. &nbsp;</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473352699909_3=
0131" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473352699909_3013=
1" dir=3D"ltr">Since you wrote your car is a basketcase and doesn't drive, =
it will be worth less. &nbsp;However, as long as you have all the rare part=
s (wheel arch trim, rocker trim, grill, eyebrow, tach), then I would guess =
a rock bottom value around $55k -60k.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_147=
3352699909_30131" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_147335=
2699909_30131" dir=3D"ltr">- Randy</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_147335=
2699909_30131" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div class=3D"qtdSeparateBR"><br><br><=
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HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;=
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=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473352699909_30337"> <font size=3D"2" fac=
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=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473352699909_30428"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:b=
old;">From:</span></b> Cullen McCann via Tigers &lt;[email-masked]&g=
t;<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Tigers Den &lt;=
[email-masked]&gt; <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:<=
/span></b> Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:30 PM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-=
weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [Tigers] Mk2 values<br> </font> </div> <=
div class=3D"y_msg_container" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473352699909_30565">=
<br><div id=3D"yiv7593236920"><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473=
352699909_30566">Dear friends. I would like the list opinion on Mark 2 Tige=
r values these days. We have all seen several come and go at auction in res=
tored condition. I realize this question is so subjective it's nearly impos=
sible to answer. </div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473352699909_30567">At least give=
 me a Range. Assuming the following conditions are true:</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473352699909_30568">Authentic mk2=
 tiger.&nbsp;<br>
No visible rust or collision damage. <br>
Matching engine, trans and rear end<br>
Complete car with egg crate grill and wheel arch trim<br>
Hardtop included. <br>
Runs but does not drive. <br>
Complete but needs total restoration. Basketcase. <br>
Been in same family for 30 years. </div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473352699909_30574">What's the le=
ast a person would expect to pay?<br>
What the most?<br></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473352699909_31575">Thanks friend=
s!!</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473352699909_31581">Cullen<br>
LROFE</div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br><br=
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From: Cullen McCann via Tigers <[email-masked]>
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Thank you all who contributed to my question about MKII values. I have used
the Hagerty Valuation tool many times, but I couple that knowledge with
personal experiences.

I am aware of a Tiger Mk II "for sale" that I'm trying negotiate the
possible sale of. Admittedly I was hoping to do so without opening up the
floodgates of other competition, hence my lack of detail.

He's asking 80 grand for a non driving car, with many critical MKII pieces
that have not yet been confirmed. He may have them but I haven't seen
them. The car does start, but does not drive. It also is packed in a garage
with stuff all around it, obstructing some of its inspection, but its very
clearly a MKII. It is recorded in TBON. No visible rust but may have
some body filler, amount unknown. Communication is poor with the seller and
his expectations are unreasonable. He quotes a 240K sale on a MKII and
is confident his car is worth 70-80 grand. I didn't think it is. I know of
a couple driver quality MKII's that recently sold for less than 100k.
Frustrating situation. He has no inspiration to build the car, only to get
rich off of it. If the deal was right, I could possibly buy the car but I
have no desire to overpay. I think the car is maybe "worth" 45 or 50 but he
would just laugh. I have offered him 30 without confirmation of the grill,
top of grill trim and wheel arches, and he didn't even respond to my offer.

Thank you so much for understanding and thank you for helping with
discussion on values. Just trying to make sure I am representing my case
realistically to the potential seller. My patience for negotiation is
running out. I've been lightly pursuing the car since early 2013.

Thank you all!

Cullen

On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 12:36 PM, Randall Antosiak <[email-masked]>
wrote:

> Hi Cullen -
> As a starting point to determine the value of your car, you can go to the
> Hagerty web site and look it up.  This site can give you a ball park number:
> https://www.hagerty.com/apps/valuationtools/1967-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mk_II
>
> Cars in #4 condition are daily drivers, and Hagerty gives the Mk 2 a value
> of $67,500 in this condition.
>
> Since you wrote your car is a basketcase and doesn't drive, it will be
> worth less.  However, as long as you have all the rare parts (wheel arch
> trim, rocker trim, grill, eyebrow, tach), then I would guess a rock bottom
> value around $55k -60k.
>
> - Randy
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Cullen McCann via Tigers <[email-masked]>
> *To:* Tigers Den <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:30 PM
> *Subject:* [Tigers] Mk2 values
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Thank you all who contributed to my question about=C2=
=A0MKII values.=C2=A0I=C2=A0have used the Hagerty Valuation tool many times=
, but I=C2=A0couple that knowledge with personal experiences. </div><div><b=
r></div><div>I am aware of a Tiger Mk II &quot;for sale&quot; that I&#39;m =
trying negotiate the possible sale of. Admittedly I was hoping to=C2=A0do s=
o=C2=A0without=C2=A0opening up the floodgates of other competition, hence m=
y lack of detail.</div><div><br></div><div>He&#39;s asking 80 grand for a n=
on driving car, with many critical MKII pieces that have not yet been confi=
rmed. He may have them but I haven&#39;t seen them.=C2=A0The car does start=
, but does not drive.=C2=A0It also is packed in a garage with stuff all aro=
und it, obstructing some=C2=A0of its inspection,=C2=A0but its very clearly =
a MKII.=C2=A0It is=C2=A0recorded in TBON. No=C2=A0visible rust but may have=
 some=C2=A0body filler, amount unknown.=C2=A0Communication is poor with the=
 seller and his expectations are unreasonable.=C2=A0He quotes a 240K sale o=
n a MKII=C2=A0and is=C2=A0confident his car is worth 70-80 grand. I didn&#3=
9;t think it is. I know of a couple=C2=A0driver quality=C2=A0MKII&#39;s tha=
t recently sold for less than 100k. Frustrating situation. He has no inspir=
ation to build the car, only to get rich off of it. If the deal was right, =
I could possibly buy the car but I have no desire to overpay. I think the c=
ar is maybe &quot;worth&quot; 45 or 50 but he would just laugh. I have offe=
red him 30 without confirmation of the=C2=A0grill, top of grill trim and wh=
eel arches, and he didn&#39;t even respond to my offer.</div><div><br></div=
><div>Thank you so much for understanding and thank you for helping with di=
scussion on values. Just trying to make sure I am representing my case real=
istically=C2=A0to the potential seller. My patience for=C2=A0negotiation=C2=
=A0is running out. I&#39;ve been lightly pursuing the car=C2=A0since early =
2013. </div><div><br></div><div>Thank you all!</div><div><br></div><div>Cul=
len</div><div><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"=
gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 12:36 PM, Randall Antosiak <span dir=3D=
"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">randya@pa=
cbell.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><di=
v style=3D"color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helve=
tica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div><sp=
an>Hi Cullen -=C2=A0</span></div><div><span>As a starting point to determin=
e the value of your car, you can go to the Hagerty web site and look it up.=
=C2=A0 This site can give you a ball park number:</span></div><div dir=3D"l=
tr"><span><a href=3D"https://www.hagerty.com/apps/valuationtools/1967-Sunbe=
am-Tiger-Mk_II" target=3D"_blank">https://www.hagerty.com/apps/<wbr>valuati=
ontools/1967-Sunbeam-<wbr>Tiger-Mk_II</a><br></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=
<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Cars in #4 condition are daily drivers, and Hage=
rty gives the Mk 2 a value of $67,500 in this condition. =C2=A0</div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Since you wrote your car is a basketc=
ase and doesn&#39;t drive, it will be worth less.=C2=A0 However, as long as=
 you have all the rare parts (wheel arch trim, rocker trim, grill, eyebrow,=
 tach), then I would guess a rock bottom value around $55k -60k.</div><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">- Randy</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></=
div><div><br><br></div><div style=3D"display:block">  <div style=3D"font-fa=
mily:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;=
font-size:16px"> <div style=3D"font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Hel=
vetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <f=
ont face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"> <hr size=3D"1"> <b><span style=3D"font-weigh=
t:bold">From:</span></b> Cullen McCann via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tig=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br> <b>=
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Tigers Den &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt=
; <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, Sept=
ember 7, 2016 6:30 PM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject:</spa=
n></b> [Tigers] Mk2 values<br> </font> </div> <div><div><div class=3D"h5"><=
br><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Dear friends. I would like the list opinion on Mar=
k 2 Tiger values these days. We have all seen several come and go at auctio=
n in restored condition. I realize this question is so subjective it&#39;s =
nearly impossible to answer. </div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">At least give me a Range. Assuming the following condition=
s are true:</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Authentic mk2 tiger.=C2=A0<br>
No visible rust or collision damage. <br>
Matching engine, trans and rear end<br>
Complete car with egg crate grill and wheel arch trim<br>
Hardtop included. <br>
Runs but does not drive. <br>
Complete but needs total restoration. Basketcase. <br>
Been in same family for 30 years. </div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">What&#39;s the least a person would expect to pay?<br>
What the most?<br></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks friends!!</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Cullen<br>
LROFE</div></div><br></div></div><span>______________________________<wbr>_=
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From: Tom Witt via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 10:15:53 -0700

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Cullen,
I think you have to wonder about the true condition if he thinks a Mark =
II is worth $240,000 and he is only asking $80,000. That alone might be =
an indicator.  In the long run maybe those =E2=80=9Cless than =
100k=E2=80=9D Mark II =E2=80=9Cdrivers=E2=80=9D are a better deal.
Tom

From: Cullen McCann via Tigers=20
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 8:41 AM
To: Randall Antosiak=20
Cc: Tigers Den=20
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mk2 values

Thank you all who contributed to my question about MKII values. I have =
used the Hagerty Valuation tool many times, but I couple that knowledge =
with personal experiences.=20

I am aware of a Tiger Mk II "for sale" that I'm trying negotiate the =
possible sale of. Admittedly I was hoping to do so without opening up =
the floodgates of other competition, hence my lack of detail.

He's asking 80 grand for a non driving car, with many critical MKII =
pieces that have not yet been confirmed. He may have them but I haven't =
seen them. The car does start, but does not drive. It also is packed in =
a garage with stuff all around it, obstructing some of its inspection, =
but its very clearly a MKII. It is recorded in TBON. No visible rust but =
may have some body filler, amount unknown. Communication is poor with =
the seller and his expectations are unreasonable. He quotes a 240K sale =
on a MKII and is confident his car is worth 70-80 grand. I didn't think =
it is. I know of a couple driver quality MKII's that recently sold for =
less than 100k. Frustrating situation. He has no inspiration to build =
the car, only to get rich off of it. If the deal was right, I could =
possibly buy the car but I have no desire to overpay. I think the car is =
maybe "worth" 45 or 50 but he would just laugh. I have offered him 30 =
without confirmation of the grill, top of grill trim and wheel arches, =
and he didn't even respond to my offer.

Thank you so much for understanding and thank you for helping with =
discussion on values. Just trying to make sure I am representing my case =
realistically to the potential seller. My patience for negotiation is =
running out. I've been lightly pursuing the car since early 2013.=20

Thank you all!

Cullen

On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 12:36 PM, Randall Antosiak <[email-masked]> =
wrote:

  Hi Cullen -=20
  As a starting point to determine the value of your car, you can go to =
the Hagerty web site and look it up.  This site can give you a ball park =
number:
  https://www.hagerty.com/apps/valuationtools/1967-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mk_II

  Cars in #4 condition are daily drivers, and Hagerty gives the Mk 2 a =
value of $67,500 in this condition. =20

  Since you wrote your car is a basketcase and doesn't drive, it will be =
worth less.  However, as long as you have all the rare parts (wheel arch =
trim, rocker trim, grill, eyebrow, tach), then I would guess a rock =
bottom value around $55k -60k.

  - Randy

-------------------------------------------------------------------------=
-----

  Dear friends. I would like the list opinion on Mark 2 Tiger values =
these days. We have all seen several come and go at auction in restored =

  Thanks friends!!
  Cullen
  LROFE

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<DIV>I think you have to wonder about the true condition if he thinks a =
Mark II=20
is worth $240,000 and he is only asking $80,000. That alone might be an=20
indicator.&nbsp; In the long run maybe those =E2=80=9Cless than =
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A =
title=[email-masked]=20
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Cullen McCann via Tigers</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, September 16, 2016 8:41 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=[email-masked]=20
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Randall Antosiak</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=[email-masked]=20
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Tigers Den</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Tigers] Mk2 values</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: =
"Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; =
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<DIV dir=3Dltr>
<DIV>Thank you all who contributed to my question about MKII values. I =
have used=20
the Hagerty Valuation tool many times, but I couple that knowledge with =
personal=20
experiences. </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I am aware of a Tiger Mk II "for sale" that I'm trying negotiate =
the=20
possible sale of. Admittedly I was hoping to do so without opening up =
the=20
floodgates of other competition, hence my lack of detail.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>He's asking 80 grand for a non driving car, with many critical MKII =
pieces=20
that have not yet been confirmed. He may have them but I haven't seen =
them. The=20
car does start, but does not drive. It also is packed in a garage with =
stuff all=20
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MKII. It=20
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amount=20
unknown. Communication is poor with the seller and his expectations are=20
unreasonable. He quotes a 240K sale on a MKII and is confident his car =
is worth=20
70-80 grand. I didn't think it is. I know of a couple driver quality =
MKII's that=20
recently sold for less than 100k. Frustrating situation. He has no =
inspiration=20
to build the car, only to get rich off of it. If the deal was right, I =
could=20
possibly buy the car but I have no desire to overpay. I think the car is =
maybe=20
"worth" 45 or 50 but he would just laugh. I have offered him 30 without=20
confirmation of the grill, top of grill trim and wheel arches, and he =
didn't=20
even respond to my offer.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Thank you so much for understanding and thank you for helping with=20
discussion on values. Just trying to make sure I am representing my case =

realistically to the potential seller. My patience for negotiation is =
running=20
out. I've been lightly pursuing the car since early 2013. </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Thank you all!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Cullen</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_extra>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 12:36 PM, Randall =
Antosiak <SPAN=20
dir=3Dltr>&lt;<A href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=20
target=3D_blank>[email-masked]</A>&gt;</SPAN> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dgmail_quote=20
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc =
1px solid">
  <DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 16px; FONT-FAMILY: helveticaneue,helvetica =
neue,helvetica,arial,lucida grande,sans-serif; COLOR: #000; =
BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff">
  <DIV><SPAN>Hi Cullen - </SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN>As a starting point to determine the value of your car, you =
can go=20
  to the Hagerty web site and look it up.&nbsp; This site can give you a =
ball=20
  park number:</SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr><SPAN><A=20
  =
href=3D"https://www.hagerty.com/apps/valuationtools/1967-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mk=
_II"=20
  =
target=3D_blank>https://www.hagerty.com/apps/<WBR>valuationtools/1967-Sun=
beam-<WBR>Tiger-Mk_II</A><BR></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr>Cars in #4 condition are daily drivers, and Hagerty =
gives the Mk=20
  2 a value of $67,500 in this condition.&nbsp; </DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr>Since you wrote your car is a basketcase and doesn't =
drive, it=20
  will be worth less.&nbsp; However, as long as you have all the rare =
parts=20
  (wheel arch trim, rocker trim, grill, eyebrow, tach), then I would =
guess a=20
  rock bottom value around $55k -60k.</DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr>- Randy</DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><BR><BR></DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"DISPLAY: block">
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  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 16px; FONT-FAMILY: helveticaneue,helvetica =
neue,helvetica,arial,lucida grande,sans-serif">
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 16px; FONT-FAMILY: helveticaneue,helvetica =
neue,helvetica,arial,lucida grande,sans-serif">
  <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>
  <HR SIZE=3D1>
  <B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Cullen McCann =
via Tigers=20
  &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=20
  target=3D_blank>[email-masked]</A>&gt;<BR><B><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Tigers Den &lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=20
  target=3D_blank>[email-masked]</A>&gt; <BR><B><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, September 7, =
2016 6:30=20
  PM<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> =
[Tigers] Mk2=20
  values<BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <DIV>
  <DIV class=3Dh5>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr>Dear friends. I would like the list opinion on Mark 2 =
Tiger=20
  values these days. We have all seen several come and go at auction in =
restored=20
  condition. I realize this question is so subjective it's nearly =
impossible to=20
  answer. </DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr>At least give me a Range. Assuming the following =
conditions are=20
  true:</DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr>Authentic mk2 tiger. <BR>No visible rust or collision =
damage.=20
  <BR>Matching engine, trans and rear end<BR>Complete car with egg crate =
grill=20
  and wheel arch trim<BR>Hardtop included. <BR>Runs but does not drive.=20
  <BR>Complete but needs total restoration. Basketcase. <BR>Been in same =
family=20
  for 30 years. </DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr>What's the least a person would expect to pay?<BR>What =
the=20
  most?<BR></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr>Thanks friends!!</DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr>Cullen<BR>LROFE</DIV></DIV>
  =
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Cullen

You might point out to the seller the MKII currently for sale on the CAT for=
um. Seller is asking $150k. I have seen that car and it is among the best...=
a multiple award winner at east coast Sunbeam events.

The 200k+ cars (only 2 that I recall) sold 2 years ago and I have not seen a=
ny reach that price since.

The non-running rust bucket I mentioned went for 45k last year and Hagerty h=
as condition 4 cars near 70. So I would figure some where in between.

If seller will not budge, I would move on if it were me...just sayin'

Jim

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 16, 2016, at 11:41 AM, Cullen McCann via Tigers <[email-masked].=
net> wrote:
>=20
> Thank you all who contributed to my question about MKII values. I have use=
d the Hagerty Valuation tool many times, but I couple that knowledge with pe=
rsonal experiences.
>=20
> I am aware of a Tiger Mk II "for sale" that I'm trying negotiate the possi=
ble sale of. Admittedly I was hoping to do so without opening up the floodga=
tes of other competition, hence my lack of detail.
>=20
> He's asking 80 grand for a non driving car, with many critical MKII pieces=
 that have not yet been confirmed. He may have them but I haven't seen them.=
 The car does start, but does not drive. It also is packed in a garage with s=
tuff all around it, obstructing some of its inspection, but its very clearly=
 a MKII. It is recorded in TBON. No visible rust but may have some body fill=
er, amount unknown. Communication is poor with the seller and his expectatio=
ns are unreasonable. He quotes a 240K sale on a MKII and is confident his ca=
r is worth 70-80 grand. I didn't think it is. I know of a couple driver qual=
ity MKII's that recently sold for less than 100k. Frustrating situation. He h=
as no inspiration to build the car, only to get rich off of it. If the deal w=
as right, I could possibly buy the car but I have no desire to overpay. I th=
ink the car is maybe "worth" 45 or 50 but he would just laugh. I have offere=
d him 30 without confirmation of the grill, top of grill trim and wheel arch=
es, and he didn't even respond to my offer.
>=20
> Thank you so much for understanding and thank you for helping with discuss=
ion on values. Just trying to make sure I am representing my case realistica=
lly to the potential seller. My patience for negotiation is running out. I'v=
e been lightly pursuing the car since early 2013.
>=20
> Thank you all!
>=20
> Cullen
>=20
>=20
>> On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 12:36 PM, Randall Antosiak <[email-masked]> wr=
ote:
>> Hi Cullen -=20
>> As a starting point to determine the value of your car, you can go to the=
 Hagerty web site and look it up.  This site can give you a ball park number=
:
>> Cars in #4 condition are daily drivers, and Hagerty gives the Mk 2 a valu=
e of $67,500 in this condition. =20
>>=20
>> Since you wrote your car is a basketcase and doesn't drive, it will be wo=
rth less.  However, as long as you have all the rare parts (wheel arch trim,=
 rocker trim, grill, eyebrow, tach), then I would guess a rock bottom value a=
round $55k -60k.
>> Dear friends. I would like the list opinion on Mark 2 Tiger values these d=
ays. We have all seen several come and go at auction in restored condition. I=
 realize this question is so subjective it's nearly impossible to answer.
>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/randya@pacbell.=
net
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/[email-masked]
>=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>Cullen</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignat=
ure"><br></div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">You might point out to the sel=
ler the MKII currently for sale on the CAT forum. Seller is asking $150k. I h=
ave seen that car and it is among the best...a multiple award winner at east=
 coast Sunbeam events.</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id=
=3D"AppleMailSignature">The 200k+ cars (only 2 that I recall) sold 2 years a=
go and I have not seen any reach that price since.</div><div id=3D"AppleMail=
Signature"><br></div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">The non-running rust buc=
ket I mentioned went for 45k last year and Hagerty has condition 4 cars near=
 70. So I would figure some where in between.</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSigna=
ture"><br></div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">If seller will not budge, I w=
ould move on if it were me...just sayin'</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature"=
><br></div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">Jim<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</di=
v><div><br>On Sep 16, 2016, at 11:41 AM, Cullen McCann via Tigers &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><=
br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Thank you all w=
ho contributed to my question about&nbsp;MKII values.&nbsp;I&nbsp;have used t=
he Hagerty Valuation tool many times, but I&nbsp;couple that knowledge with p=
ersonal experiences. </div><div><br></div><div>I am aware of a Tiger Mk II "=
for sale" that I'm trying negotiate the possible sale of. Admittedly I was h=
oping to&nbsp;do so&nbsp;without&nbsp;opening up the floodgates of other com=
petition, hence my lack of detail.</div><div><br></div><div>He's asking 80 g=
rand for a non driving car, with many critical MKII pieces that have not yet=
 been confirmed. He may have them but I haven't seen them.&nbsp;The car does=
 start, but does not drive.&nbsp;It also is packed in a garage with stuff al=
l around it, obstructing some&nbsp;of its inspection,&nbsp;but its very clea=
rly a MKII.&nbsp;It is&nbsp;recorded in TBON. No&nbsp;visible rust but may h=
ave some&nbsp;body filler, amount unknown.&nbsp;Communication is poor with t=
he seller and his expectations are unreasonable.&nbsp;He quotes a 240K sale o=
n a MKII&nbsp;and is&nbsp;confident his car is worth 70-80 grand. I didn't t=
hink it is. I know of a couple&nbsp;driver quality&nbsp;MKII's that recently=
 sold for less than 100k. Frustrating situation. He has no inspiration to bu=
ild the car, only to get rich off of it. If the deal was right, I could poss=
ibly buy the car but I have no desire to overpay. I think the car is maybe "=
worth" 45 or 50 but he would just laugh. I have offered him 30 without confi=
rmation of the&nbsp;grill, top of grill trim and wheel arches, and he didn't=
 even respond to my offer.</div><div><br></div><div>Thank you so much for un=
derstanding and thank you for helping with discussion on values. Just trying=
 to make sure I am representing my case realistically&nbsp;to the potential s=
eller. My patience for&nbsp;negotiation&nbsp;is running out. I've been light=
ly pursuing the car&nbsp;since early 2013. </div><div><br></div><div>Thank y=
ou all!</div><div><br></div><div>Cullen</div><div><br></div></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 12:36=
 PM, Randall Antosiak <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:randya@pacbell=
.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc so=
lid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style=3D"color:#000;background-color:#fff;fo=
nt-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-se=
rif;font-size:16px"><div><span>Hi Cullen -&nbsp;</span></div><div><span>As a=
 starting point to determine the value of your car, you can go to the Hagert=
y web site and look it up.&nbsp; This site can give you a ball park number:<=
/span></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><span><a href=3D"https://www.hagerty.com/apps/v=
aluationtools/1967-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mk_II" target=3D"_blank">https://www.hagert=
y.com/apps/<wbr>valuationtools/1967-Sunbeam-<wbr>Tiger-Mk_II</a><br></span><=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Cars in #4 condition are da=
ily drivers, and Hagerty gives the Mk 2 a value of $67,500 in this condition=
. &nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Since you wrote yo=
ur car is a basketcase and doesn't drive, it will be worth less.&nbsp; Howev=
er, as long as you have all the rare parts (wheel arch trim, rocker trim, gr=
ill, eyebrow, tach), then I would guess a rock bottom value around $55k -60k=
.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">- Randy</div><div dir=3D"=
ltr"><br></div><div><br><br></div><div style=3D"display:block">  <div style=3D=
"font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans=
-serif;font-size:16px"> <div style=3D"font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Ne=
ue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"> <div dir=3D"ltr=
"> <font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"> <hr size=3D"1"> <b><span style=3D"font-w=
eight:bold">From:</span></b> Cullen McCann via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br> <=
b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Tigers Den &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt=
; <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, Septe=
mber 7, 2016 6:30 PM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject:</span>=
</b> [Tigers] Mk2 values<br> </font> </div> <div><div><div class=3D"h5"><br>=
<div><div dir=3D"ltr">Dear friends. I would like the list opinion on Mark 2 T=
iger values these days. We have all seen several come and go at auction in r=
estored condition. I realize this question is so subjective it's nearly impo=
ssible to answer. </div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">At least give me a Range. Assuming the following conditions=
 are true:</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Authentic mk2 tiger.&nbsp;<br>
No visible rust or collision damage. <br>
Matching engine, trans and rear end<br>
Complete car with egg crate grill and wheel arch trim<br>
Hardtop included. <br>
Runs but does not drive. <br>
Complete but needs total restoration. Basketcase. <br>
Been in same family for 30 years. </div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">What's the least a person would expect to pay?<br>
What the most?<br></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks friends!!</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Cullen<br>
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