Subject: Re: [Tigers] 2-post versus 4-post Lifts

From: Tom Witt via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 13:46:48 -0800

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There would be a difference between a car falling off a lift (or the =
lift vertically collapsing)..., and the lift falling (tilting) over with =
the car still firmly attached.  It would seem the floor structure for a =
two post lift needs to be seismically substantial as compared to a four =
post lift.  I don=E2=80=99t think the issue is the two post lift =
collapsing (vertically) as much as it is simply falling (tilting =
front-back) with the failure at the floor attachment.  Tripods have at =
least three legs for a reason.

As a lifetime suburbanite I struggle to comprehend the need for a lift.  =
Are there really that many places that are width/depth challenged and =
yet have substantial height to elevate the car =E2=80=93 especially for =
stacked parking? If you are replacing exhaust systems, brakes, =
transmissions on a daily basis sure they make sense. Maybe it is just my =
perpetually bad back, but having to stand, look up and work with arms up =
seems like torture compared to putting a car on jackstands and lying on =
the floor to work. A sheet of foam core makes a nice, cushioning =
insulator. =20

From: CoolVT--- via Tigers=20
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 12:38 PM
To: [email-masked] ; [email-masked]=20
Subject: Re: [Tigers] 2-post versus 4-post Lifts

Figure a Tiger at 2500 lbs. on a 9000lb rated lift.  Should be pretty =
secure. The guy who installed mine said they are actually tested at =
twice the rated capacity. I think as long as the Tiger isn't shaken off =
the lift then it's a pretty good bet that the lift won't collapse.=20
Mark L

In a message dated 1/29/2016 3:13:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, =
[email-masked] writes:
      I'm sure all the West-coasters have been through it all before and =
shrug it off, but I was a couple of miles from home when I experienced =
our one significant earthquake, eh, 5 years ago -- and the first thing I =
thought of was the Tiger sitting on the lift in the garage. Came home, =
opened the door, all was well. 4-post lift. MAYBE someone can convince =
me that a 2-post is as stable under such circumstances...

  Larry Wright
  Seabrook, MD
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<DIV>There would be a difference between a car falling off a lift (or =
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car=20
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lift.&nbsp;=20
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(vertically) as much as=20
it is simply falling (tilting front-back) with the failure at the floor=20
attachment.&nbsp; Tripods have at least three legs for a reason.</DIV>
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<DIV>As a lifetime suburbanite I struggle to comprehend the need for a=20
lift.&nbsp; Are there really that many places that are width/depth =
challenged=20
and yet have substantial height to elevate the car =E2=80=93 especially =
for stacked=20
parking? If you are replacing exhaust systems, brakes, transmissions on =
a daily=20
basis sure they make sense. Maybe it is just my perpetually bad back, =
but having=20
to stand, look up and work with arms up seems like torture compared to =
putting a=20
car on jackstands and lying on the floor to work. A sheet of foam core =
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 29, 2016 12:38 PM</DIV>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Tigers] 2-post versus 4-post =
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<DIV>Figure a Tiger at 2500 lbs. on a 9000lb rated lift.&nbsp; Should be =
pretty=20
secure. The guy who installed mine said they are actually tested at =
twice the=20
rated capacity. I think as long as the Tiger isn't shaken off the lift =
then it's=20
a pretty good bet that the lift won't collapse. </DIV>
<DIV>Mark L</DIV>
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Came home,=20
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From: Jay Laifman via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 14:01:06 -0800

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:-)   I have spent many an hour under cars on jackstands.  On hindsight, in
California, not a good idea.  I now almost exclusively use ramps if I can.
If I can't, I ALWAYS have something bigger than me under there too.  I have
this large, long block of wood that some contractors left once.  It's added
protection.  I put all wheels under too - including all the jack stands and
floor jacks under there.

Funny you mention sore arms.  There are many times when I've been under a
car working away on my back when my arms just burn from holding them up for
too long.

I bought my lift solely for car storage purposes.  Being able to work under
cars is just an added benefit.  For me, in suburbia with a tight HOA, I
have my existing garage space, with no option to build out a wider, longer
garage.  So if I wanted more cars in the garage, they had to go up.

On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Tom Witt via Tigers <[email-masked]=
wrote:

> There would be a difference between a car falling off a lift (or the lift
> vertically collapsing)..., and the lift falling (tilting) over with the c=
ar
> still firmly attached.  It would seem the floor structure for a two post
> lift needs to be seismically substantial as compared to a four post lift.
> I don=E2=80=99t think the issue is the two post lift collapsing (vertical=
ly) as
> much as it is simply falling (tilting front-back) with the failure at the
> floor attachment.  Tripods have at least three legs for a reason.
>
> As a lifetime suburbanite I struggle to comprehend the need for a lift.
> Are there really that many places that are width/depth challenged and yet
> have substantial height to elevate the car =E2=80=93 especially for stack=
ed
> parking? If you are replacing exhaust systems, brakes, transmissions on a
> daily basis sure they make sense. Maybe it is just my perpetually bad bac=
k,
> but having to stand, look up and work with arms up seems like torture
> compared to putting a car on jackstands and lying on the floor to work. A
> sheet of foam core makes a nice, cushioning insulator.
>
> *From:* CoolVT--- via Tigers <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* Friday, January 29, 2016 12:38 PM
> *To:* [email-masked] ; [email-masked]
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] 2-post versus 4-post Lifts
>
> Figure a Tiger at 2500 lbs. on a 9000lb rated lift.  Should be pretty
> secure. The guy who installed mine said they are actually tested at twice
> the rated capacity. I think as long as the Tiger isn't shaken off the lif=
t
> then it's a pretty good bet that the lift won't collapse.
> Mark L
>
> In a message dated 1/29/2016 3:13:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>     I'm sure all the West-coasters have been through it all before and
> shrug it off, but I was a couple of miles from home when I experienced ou=
r
> one significant earthquake, eh, 5 years ago -- and the first thing I
> thought of was the Tiger sitting on the lift in the garage. Came home,
> opened the door, all was well. 4-post lift. MAYBE someone can convince me
> that a 2-post is as stable under such circumstances...
>
> Larry Wright
> Seabrook, MD
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/[email-masked]
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<div dir=3D"ltr">:-) =C2=A0 I have spent many an hour under cars on jacksta=
nds.=C2=A0 On hindsight, in California, not a good idea.=C2=A0 I now almost=
 exclusively use ramps if I can.=C2=A0 If I can&#39;t, I ALWAYS have someth=
ing bigger than me under there too.=C2=A0 I have this large, long block of =
wood that some contractors left once.=C2=A0 It&#39;s added protection.=C2=
=A0 I put all wheels under too - including all the jack stands and floor ja=
cks under there.<div><br></div><div>Funny you mention sore arms.=C2=A0 Ther=
e are many times when I&#39;ve been under a car working away on my back whe=
n my arms just burn from holding them up for too long.<br><div><br></div><d=
iv>I bought my lift solely for car storage purposes.=C2=A0 Being able to wo=
rk under cars is just an added benefit.=C2=A0 For me, in suburbia with a ti=
ght HOA, I have my existing garage space, with no option to build out a wid=
er, longer garage.=C2=A0 So if I wanted more cars in the garage, they had t=
o go up.</div></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmai=
l_quote">On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Tom Witt via Tigers <span dir=3D"=
ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">tigers@=
autox.team.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s=
tyle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;COLOR:#000000" dir=3D"ltr">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:&#39;Calibri&#39;;COLOR:#000000">
<div>There would be a difference between a car falling off a lift (or the l=
ift=20
vertically collapsing)..., and the lift falling (tilting) over with the car=
=20
still firmly attached.=C2=A0 It would seem the floor structure for a two po=
st=20
lift needs to be seismically substantial as compared to a four post lift.=
=C2=A0=20
I don=E2=80=99t think the issue is the two post lift collapsing (vertically=
) as much as=20
it is simply falling (tilting front-back) with the failure at the floor=20
attachment.=C2=A0 Tripods have at least three legs for a reason.</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>As a lifetime suburbanite I struggle to comprehend the need for a=20
lift.=C2=A0 Are there really that many places that are width/depth challeng=
ed=20
and yet have substantial height to elevate the car =E2=80=93 especially for=
 stacked=20
parking? If you are replacing exhaust systems, brakes, transmissions on a d=
aily=20
basis sure they make sense. Maybe it is just my perpetually bad back, but h=
aving=20
to stand, look up and work with arms up seems like torture compared to putt=
ing a=20
car on jackstands and lying on the floor to work. A sheet of foam core make=
s a=20
nice, cushioning insulator.=C2=A0 </div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:small;TEXT-DECORATION:none;FONT-FAMILY:&quot;Calibr=
i&quot;;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;COLOR:#000000;FONT-STYLE:normal;DISPLAY:inline">
<div style=3D"FONT:10pt tahoma">
<div>=C2=A0</div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title=3D"[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:tigers@=
autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">CoolVT--- via Tigers</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 29, 2016 12:38 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:lwrigh=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a> ; <a tit=
le=3D"[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
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<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] 2-post versus 4-post Lifts</div></div></d=
iv>
<div>=C2=A0</div></div>
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i&quot;;FONT-WEIGHT:normal;COLOR:#000000;FONT-STYLE:normal;DISPLAY:inline">=
<font color=3D"#000000" size=3D"3" face=3D"Arial">
<div>Figure a Tiger at 2500 lbs. on a 9000lb rated lift.=C2=A0 Should be pr=
etty=20
secure. The guy who installed mine said they are actually tested at twice t=
he=20
rated capacity. I think as long as the Tiger isn&#39;t shaken off the lift =
then it&#39;s=20
a pretty good bet that the lift won&#39;t collapse. </div>
<div>Mark L</div>
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<div>
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 have been through=20
  it all before and shrug it off, but I was a couple of miles from home whe=
n I=20
  experienced our one significant earthquake, eh, 5 years ago -- and the fi=
rst=20
  thing I thought of was the Tiger sitting on the lift in the garage. Came =
home,=20
  opened the door, all was well. 4-post lift. MAYBE someone can convince me=
 that=20
  a 2-post is as stable under such circumstances...<br><br>Larry=20
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From: Cars via Tigers <[email-masked]>
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The point of concern for the two post lift is typically the concrete.  I hav=
e no concerns about my 2 post for storage. Of course I have a very thick con=
crete pad. If I had a four inch thick pad I would be concerned. Lifts are aw=
esome to work on cars. Although while I store cars on my two post lift durin=
g the winter. Working underneath it gives me the heeby jeebies if I'm using a=
ny real torque or big tools. Working on the suspension does not scare me.

Funny story. Back in the 70's a friend of ours had a two post lift he used i=
n his mechanic shop. He too used a 4x4 to help hold the lift up in an "emerg=
ency" in addition to the safety locks. He went to help a customer and one of=
 his techs went to lower the lift with an original 289 cobra on it. He sligh=
tly raised the lift to remove the safety catch, the 4x4 tipped to be underne=
ath the car and when he lowered the lift the car tilted and then slid off th=
e lift landing between the posts on its side. Ouch!!

Sent from my mobile device

> On Jan 29, 2016, at 3:01 PM, Jay Laifman via Tigers <[email-masked]=
> wrote:
>=20
> :-)   I have spent many an hour under cars on jackstands.  On hindsight, i=
n California, not a good idea.  I now almost exclusively use ramps if I can.=
  If I can't, I ALWAYS have something bigger than me under there too.  I hav=
e this large, long block of wood that some contractors left once.  It's adde=
d protection.  I put all wheels under too - including all the jack stands an=
d floor jacks under there.
>=20
> Funny you mention sore arms.  There are many times when I've been under a c=
ar working away on my back when my arms just burn from holding them up for t=
oo long.
>=20
> I bought my lift solely for car storage purposes.  Being able to work unde=
r cars is just an added benefit.  For me, in suburbia with a tight HOA, I ha=
ve my existing garage space, with no option to build out a wider, longer gar=
age.  So if I wanted more cars in the garage, they had to go up.
>=20
>> On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Tom Witt via Tigers <[email-masked]=
et> wrote:
>> There would be a difference between a car falling off a lift (or the lift=
 vertically collapsing)..., and the lift falling (tilting) over with the car=
 still firmly attached.  It would seem the floor structure for a two post li=
ft needs to be seismically substantial as compared to a four post lift.  I d=
on=E2=80=99t think the issue is the two post lift collapsing (vertically) as=
 much as it is simply falling (tilting front-back) with the failure at the f=
loor attachment.  Tripods have at least three legs for a reason.
>> =20
>> As a lifetime suburbanite I struggle to comprehend the need for a lift.  A=
re there really that many places that are width/depth challenged and yet hav=
e substantial height to elevate the car =E2=80=93 especially for stacked par=
king? If you are replacing exhaust systems, brakes, transmissions on a daily=
 basis sure they make sense. Maybe it is just my perpetually bad back, but h=
aving to stand, look up and work with arms up seems like torture compared to=
 putting a car on jackstands and lying on the floor to work. A sheet of foam=
 core makes a nice, cushioning insulator.=20
>> =20
>> From: CoolVT--- via Tigers
>> To: [email-masked] ; [email-masked]
>> Figure a Tiger at 2500 lbs. on a 9000lb rated lift.  Should be pretty sec=
ure. The guy who installed mine said they are actually tested at twice the r=
ated capacity. I think as long as the Tiger isn't shaken off the lift then i=
t's a pretty good bet that the lift won't collapse.
>> Mark L
>> =20
>> In a message dated 1/29/2016 3:13:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, tigers@a=
utox.team.net writes:
>>     I'm sure all the West-coasters have been through it all before and sh=
rug it off, but I was a couple of miles from home when I experienced our one=
 significant earthquake, eh, 5 years ago -- and the first thing I thought of=
 was the Tiger sitting on the lift in the garage. Came home, opened the door=
, all was well. 4-post lift. MAYBE someone can convince me that a 2-post is a=
s stable under such circumstances...
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>The point of concern for the two post l=
ift is typically the concrete. &nbsp;I have no concerns about my 2 post for s=
torage. Of course I have a very thick concrete pad. If I had a four inch thi=
ck pad I would be concerned. Lifts are awesome to work on cars. Although whi=
le I store cars on my two post lift during the winter. Working underneath it=
 gives me the heeby jeebies if I'm using any real torque or big tools. Worki=
ng on the suspension does not scare me.</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">=
<br></div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">Funny story. Back in the 70's a fri=
end of ours had a two post lift he used in his mechanic shop. He too used a 4=
x4 to help hold the lift up in an "emergency" in addition to the safety lock=
s. He went to help a customer and one of his techs went to lower the lift wi=
th an original 289 cobra on it. He slightly raised the lift to remove the sa=
fety catch, the 4x4 tipped to be underneath the car and when he lowered the l=
ift the car tilted and then slid off the lift landing between the posts on i=
ts side. Ouch!!<br><br>Sent from my mobile device</div><div><br>On Jan 29, 2=
016, at 3:01 PM, Jay Laifman via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
eam.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">:-) &nbsp; I have spent many an hour under cars=
 on jackstands.&nbsp; On hindsight, in California, not a good idea.&nbsp; I n=
ow almost exclusively use ramps if I can.&nbsp; If I can't, I ALWAYS have so=
mething bigger than me under there too.&nbsp; I have this large, long block o=
f wood that some contractors left once.&nbsp; It's added protection.&nbsp; I=
 put all wheels under too - including all the jack stands and floor jacks un=
der there.<div><br></div><div>Funny you mention sore arms.&nbsp; There are m=
any times when I've been under a car working away on my back when my arms ju=
st burn from holding them up for too long.<br><div><br></div><div>I bought m=
y lift solely for car storage purposes.&nbsp; Being able to work under cars i=
s just an added benefit.&nbsp; For me, in suburbia with a tight HOA, I have m=
y existing garage space, with no option to build out a wider, longer garage.=
&nbsp; So if I wanted more cars in the garage, they had to go up.</div></div=
></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan=
 29, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Tom Witt via Tigers <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8=
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<div>There would be a difference between a car falling off a lift (or the li=
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vertically collapsing)..., and the lift falling (tilting) over with the car=20=

still firmly attached.&nbsp; It would seem the floor structure for a two pos=
t=20
lift needs to be seismically substantial as compared to a four post lift.&nb=
sp;=20
I don=E2=80=99t think the issue is the two post lift collapsing (vertically)=
 as much as=20
it is simply falling (tilting front-back) with the failure at the floor=20
attachment.&nbsp; Tripods have at least three legs for a reason.</div>
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<div>As a lifetime suburbanite I struggle to comprehend the need for a=20
lift.&nbsp; Are there really that many places that are width/depth challenge=
d=20
and yet have substantial height to elevate the car =E2=80=93 especially for s=
tacked=20
parking? If you are replacing exhaust systems, brakes, transmissions on a da=
ily=20
basis sure they make sense. Maybe it is just my perpetually bad back, but ha=
ving=20
to stand, look up and work with arms up seems like torture compared to putti=
ng a=20
car on jackstands and lying on the floor to work. A sheet of foam core makes=
 a=20
nice, cushioning insulator.&nbsp; </div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title=3D"[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:tigers@a=
utox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">CoolVT--- via Tigers</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 29, 2016 12:38 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"[email-masked]" href=3D"mailto:lwright=
@impactoffice.com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a> ; <a title=
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<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] 2-post versus 4-post Lifts</div></div></di=
v>
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<div>Figure a Tiger at 2500 lbs. on a 9000lb rated lift.&nbsp; Should be pre=
tty=20
secure. The guy who installed mine said they are actually tested at twice th=
e=20
rated capacity. I think as long as the Tiger isn't shaken off the lift then i=
t's=20
a pretty good bet that the lift won't collapse. </div>
<div>Mark L</div>
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en through=20
  it all before and shrug it off, but I was a couple of miles from home when=
 I=20
  experienced our one significant earthquake, eh, 5 years ago -- and the fir=
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  thing I thought of was the Tiger sitting on the lift in the garage. Came h=
ome,=20
  opened the door, all was well. 4-post lift. MAYBE someone can convince me t=
hat=20
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