Subject: [Tigers] Front Suspension

From: Joel Martin via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 22:56:04 +0000 (UTC)

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Since it has been so quiet, I thought I would throw one out. =C2=A0My front=
 suspension is sooo stiff and the height is 2-3 inches in my mind higher th=
an it should be. =C2=A0Rebuilt suspension, welded up per CAT instructions, =
stock springs, Koni shocks - old and all new rubber etc.
The front has no bounce at all. =C2=A0First idea is to loosen upper and low=
er control arm bolts, drive just a bit and then re-tighten. =C2=A0Can you p=
ut the front anti sway bar on upside down - not sure is could be a problem =
or not. =C2=A0Bushing grease on all new rubber?
Thoughts\ideas would be appreciated.
Joel Martin, MK1A
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3_16_0_1_1452860714381_38122">Since it has been so quiet, I thought I would=
 throw one out. &nbsp;My front suspension is sooo stiff and the height is 2=
-3 inches in my mind higher than it should be. &nbsp;Rebuilt suspension, we=
lded up per CAT instructions, stock springs, Koni shocks - old and all new =
rubber etc.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1452860714381_38122"><br></div><di=
v id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1452860714381_38122">The front has no bounce at all. &=
nbsp;First idea is to loosen upper and lower control arm bolts, drive just =
a bit and then re-tighten. &nbsp;Can you put the front anti sway bar on ups=
ide down - not sure is could be a problem or not. &nbsp;Bushing grease on a=
ll new rubber?</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1452860714381_38122"><br></div>=
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1452860714381_38122">Thoughts\ideas would be apprec=
iated.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1452860714381_38122"><br></div><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1452860714381_38122">Joel Martin, MK1A</div></div></body><=
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From: michael king via Tigers <[email-masked]>
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What concerns me about what Joel says isn't the ride height, the cars did
sit high... He says there is no suspension movement is how I read it " no
bounce " in wondering if there is some bind
On 18 Jan 2016 11:39, "Ron Fraser via Tigers" <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Joel
>
>     If you look at original pictures of the Tiger you will see they sit
> high.   The taller tires of the day made it look OK.   The shorter tires of
> today make it look wrong.
> There is a spec in the shop manual ride height; check it.
>
> All suspension components should be tightened in a loaded position to not
> put the parts in bind.
>
> I don't believe the sway bar can be mounted upside down.
>
> I believe I used the thinner Mustang II rubber cushion on top of the
> springs to lower the front end a little.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* Tigers [mailto:[email-masked]] *On Behalf Of *Joel
> Martin via Tigers
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 17, 2016 5:56 PM
> *To:* Tiger List Serve
> *Subject:* [Tigers] Front Suspension
>
> Since it has been so quiet, I thought I would throw one out.  My front
> suspension is sooo stiff and the height is 2-3 inches in my mind higher
> than it should be.  Rebuilt suspension, welded up per CAT instructions,
> The front has no bounce at all.  First idea is to loosen upper and lower
> control arm bolts, drive just a bit and then re-tighten.  Can you put the
> front anti sway bar on upside down - not sure is could be a problem or
> not.  Bushing grease on all new rubber?
>
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<p dir=3D"ltr">What concerns me about what Joel says isn&#39;t the ride hei=
ght, the cars did sit high... He says there is no suspension movement is ho=
w I read it &quot; no bounce &quot; in wondering if there is some bind=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 </p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 18 Jan 2016 11:39, &quot;Ron Fraser via Tiger=
s&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]<=
/a>&gt; wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" st=
yle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><u></=
u>

<div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span>Joel</span></f=
ont></div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span></span></font>=
=C2=A0</div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span>=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 If you look at original pictures of=20
the Tiger you will see they sit high.=C2=A0=C2=A0 The taller tires of the d=
ay=20
made it look OK.=C2=A0=C2=A0 The shorter tires of today make it look=20
wrong.</span></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span>There=20
is a spec in the shop manual ride height; check it.</span></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span></span></font>=
=C2=A0</div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span>All=20
suspension components should be tightened in a loaded position to not put t=
he=20
parts in bind.</span></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span></span></font>=
=C2=A0</div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span>I=20
don&#39;t believe the sway bar can be mounted upside down.</span></font></d=
iv>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span></span></font>=
=C2=A0</div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span>I=20
believe I used the thinner=C2=A0Mustang II rubber cushion on top of the spr=
ings=20
to lower the front end a little.</span></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span></span></font>=
=C2=A0</div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span>Ron=20
Fraser</span></font></div>
<blockquote style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT:0px" dir=3D"ltr">
  <div></div>
  <div dir=3D"ltr" lang=3D"en-us" align=3D"left"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"T=
ahoma">-----Original Message-----<br><b>From:</b> Tigers=20
  [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank=
">[email-masked]</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Joel Martin via=20
  Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 17, 2016 5:56 PM<br><b>To:</b> Tig=
er=20
  List Serve<br><b>Subject:</b> [Tigers] Front Suspension<br><br></font></d=
iv>
  <div style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR:#fff;FONT-FAMILY:garamond,new york,times,s=
erif;COLOR:#000;FONT-SIZE:16px">
  <div>Since it has been so quiet, I thought=20
  I would throw one out.=C2=A0 My front suspension is sooo stiff and the he=
ight=20
  is 2-3 inches in my mind higher than it should be.=C2=A0 Rebuilt suspensi=
on,=20
  welded up per CAT instructions, stock springs, Koni shocks - old and all =
new=20
  rubber etc.</div>
  <div><br></div>
  <div>The front has no bounce at all.=20
  =C2=A0First idea is to loosen upper and lower control arm bolts, drive ju=
st a=20
  bit and then re-tighten.=C2=A0 Can you put the front anti sway bar on ups=
ide=20
  down - not sure is could be a problem or not.=C2=A0 Bushing grease on all=
 new=20
  rubber?</div>
  <div><br></div>
  <div>Thoughts\ideas would be=20
  appreciated.</div>
  <div><br></div>
  <div>Joel Martin,=20
MK1A</div></div></blockquote></div>
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From: Jay Laifman via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 17:10:04 -0800

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When you say "stock springs" do you mean you put back in your original
springs, or bought something that was claimed to be "stock"?  I seem to
recall that CAT "stock" springs did cause the car to ride higher.  But that
was many many years ago.

Other than that, the other comments you got would have been what I would
have suggested: definitely loosen the A arms, drive around and see if it
settles.  Also confirm what spring insulator was put on top of the
springs.  Perhaps the wrong one was used or it was put in upside down or
something (unlikely).

I think it would be impossible to put the sway bar in upside down.  But I
could be proved wrong on that one.

On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 2:56 PM, Joel Martin via Tigers <
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<div dir=3D"ltr">When you say &quot;stock springs&quot; do you mean you put=
 back in your original springs, or bought something that was claimed to be =
&quot;stock&quot;?=C2=A0 I seem to recall that CAT &quot;stock&quot; spring=
s did cause the car to ride higher.=C2=A0 But that was many many years ago.=
 =C2=A0<div><br></div><div>Other than that, the other comments you got woul=
d have been what I would have suggested: definitely loosen the A arms, driv=
e around and see if it settles.=C2=A0 Also confirm what spring insulator wa=
s put on top of the springs.=C2=A0 Perhaps the wrong one was used or it was=
 put in upside down or something (unlikely).</div><div><br></div><div>I thi=
nk it would be impossible to put the sway bar in upside down.=C2=A0 But I c=
ould be proved wrong on that one. =C2=A0</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_ext=
ra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 2:56 PM, Joel Ma=
rtin via Tigers <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
et" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><block=
quote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc=
 solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style=3D"color:#000;background-color:#ff=
f;font-family:garamond,new york,times,serif;font-size:16px"><div>Since it h=
as been so quiet, I thought I would throw one out.=C2=A0 My front suspensio=
n is sooo stiff and the height is 2-3 inches in my mind higher than it shou=
ld be.=C2=A0 Rebuilt suspension, welded up per CAT instructions, stock spri=
ngs, Koni shocks - old and all new rubber etc.</div><div><br></div><div>The=
 front has no bounce at all.=C2=A0 First idea is to loosen upper and lower =
control arm bolts, drive just a bit and then re-tighten.=C2=A0 Can you put =
the front anti sway bar on upside down - not sure is could be a problem or =
not.=C2=A0 Bushing grease on all new rubber?</div><div><br></div><div>Thoug=
hts\ideas would be appreciated.</div><div><br></div><div>Joel Martin, MK1A<=
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From: Joel Martin via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 01:50:22 +0000 (UTC)

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Thanks all.
When I say stock springs, they have the same dimensions (thickness, coils) =
as stock springs. =C2=A0They are the ones on the car from 1979 when I bough=
t it. =C2=A0I believe the spring rubber is from CAT. =C2=A0Koni shock are o=
lder and have been tested off the car for proper rebound, compression and s=
eem right.
While the sit hight does not concern me too much, although definitely a fro=
nt to rear slope, it is the fact that something truly seems to be 'bound up=
'. =C2=A0Pushing on the fenders, moves things very little and I mean very l=
ittle.
15" wheels with 205/50/15 Yokohama S drive tires at this point on the front=
, not yet fitted the rears. =C2=A0Trying to find out what is 'binding' up t=
he front suspension is my main concern. =C2=A0
Loosing up upper and lower control arms, maybe removing the front sway bar,=
 trying some rubber bushing lube would be my next steps and re tighten nuts=
 on control arms after short drive with weight on suspension are probably m=
y next steps. =C2=A0The only binding I can think of is the upper and lower =
control arms unless someone can think of something else that I should look =
at?=C2=A0
Regards
Joel Martin
=20

      From: Ron Fraser <[email-masked]>
 To: 'Joel Martin' <[email-masked]>=20
Cc: [email-masked]
 Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 7:38 PM
 Subject: RE: [Tigers] Front Suspension
  =20
MessageJoel=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 If you look at original pictures of the=
 Tiger you will see they sit high.=C2=A0=C2=A0 The taller tires of the day =
made it look OK.=C2=A0=C2=A0 The shorter tires of today make it look wrong.=
There is a spec in the shop manual ride height; check it.=C2=A0All suspensi=
on components should be tightened in a loaded position to not put the parts=
 in bind.=C2=A0I don't believe the sway bar can be mounted upside down.=C2=
=A0I believe I used the thinner=C2=A0Mustang II rubber cushion on top of th=
e springs to lower the front end a little.=C2=A0Ron Fraser
  -----Original Message-----
From: Tigers [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Joel Marti=
n via Tigers
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 5:56 PM
To: Tiger List Serve
Subject: [Tigers] Front Suspension

  Since it has been so quiet, I thought I would throw one out. =C2=A0My fro=
nt suspension is sooo stiff and the height is 2-3 inches in my mind higher =
than it should be. =C2=A0Rebuilt suspension, welded up per CAT instructions=
, stock springs, Koni shocks - old and all new rubber etc.=20
 The front has no bounce at all. =C2=A0First idea is to loosen upper and lo=
wer control arm bolts, drive just a bit and then re-tighten. =C2=A0Can you =
put the front anti sway bar on upside down - not sure is could be a problem=
 or not. =C2=A0Bushing grease on all new rubber?=20
 Thoughts\ideas would be appreciated.=20
 Joel Martin, MK1A

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<html><head></head><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; f=
ont-family:garamond, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px"><div id=3D"yui_=
3_16_0_1_1452860714381_55966"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1452860714381_56206"=
>Thanks all.</span></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1452860714381_55966"><span=
><br></span></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1452860714381_55966"><span id=3D"=
yui_3_16_0_1_1452860714381_56208">When I say stock springs, they have the s=
ame dimensions (thickness, coils) as stock springs. &nbsp;They are the ones=
 on the car from 1979 when I bought it. &nbsp;I believe the spring rubber i=
s from CAT. &nbsp;Koni shock are older and have been tested off the car for=
 proper rebound, compression and seem right.</span></div><div id=3D"yui_3_1=
6_0_1_1452860714381_55966"><span><br></span></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1=
452860714381_55966"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1452860714381_56276">While the=
 sit hight does not concern me too much, although definitely a front to rea=
r slope, it is the fact that something truly seems to be 'bound up'. &nbsp;=
Pushing on the fenders, moves things very little and I mean very little.</s=
pan></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1452860714381_55966"><span><br></span></d=
iv><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1452860714381_55966" dir=3D"ltr"><span id=3D"yui=
_3_16_0_1_1452860714381_56307">15" wheels with 205/50/15 Yokohama S drive t=
ires at this point on the front, not yet fitted the rears. &nbsp;Trying to =
find out what is 'binding' up the front suspension is my main concern. &nbs=
p;</span></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1452860714381_55966" dir=3D"ltr"><sp=
an><br></span></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1452860714381_55966" dir=3D"ltr=
"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1452860714381_56359">Loosing up upper and lower =
control arms, maybe removing the front sway bar, trying some rubber bushing=
 lube would be my next steps and re tighten nuts on control arms after shor=
t drive with weight on suspension are probably my next steps. &nbsp;The onl=
y binding I can think of is the upper and lower control arms unless someone=
 can think of something else that I should look at?&nbsp;</span></div><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1452860714381_55966" dir=3D"ltr"><span><br></span></div>=
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1452860714381_55966" dir=3D"ltr"><span>Regards</spa=
n></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1452860714381_55966" dir=3D"ltr"><span><br>=
</span></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1452860714381_55966" dir=3D"ltr"><span=
>Joel Martin</span></div><br> <div class=3D"qtdSeparateBR" id=3D"yui_3_16_0=
_1_1452860714381_56212"><br><br></div><div class=3D"yahoo_quoted" id=3D"yui=
_3_16_0_1_1452860714381_56366" style=3D"display: block;">  <div style=3D"fo=
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From:</span></b> Ron Fraser &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br> <b><span style=
=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> 'Joel Martin' &lt;[email-masked]=
om&gt; <br><b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> tigers@Auto=
x.Team.Net<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunda=
y, January 17, 2016 7:38 PM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subje=
ct:</span></b> RE: [Tigers] Front Suspension<br> </font> </div> <div class=
=3D"y_msg_container" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1452860714381_56374"><br><div id=3D=
"yiv0395032359"><title>Message</title><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1452860714381=
_56373">
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span class=3D"yiv03=
95032359625253000-18012016">Joel</span></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span class=3D"yiv03=
95032359625253000-18012016"></span></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span class=3D"yiv03=
95032359625253000-18012016">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; If you look at original pict=
ures of=20
the Tiger you will see they sit high.&nbsp;&nbsp; The taller tires of the d=
ay=20
made it look OK.&nbsp;&nbsp; The shorter tires of today make it look=20
wrong.</span></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span class=3D"yiv03=
95032359625253000-18012016">There=20
is a spec in the shop manual ride height; check it.</span></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span class=3D"yiv03=
95032359625253000-18012016"></span></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span class=3D"yiv03=
95032359625253000-18012016">All=20
suspension components should be tightened in a loaded position to not put t=
he=20
parts in bind.</span></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span class=3D"yiv03=
95032359625253000-18012016"></span></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span class=3D"yiv03=
95032359625253000-18012016">I=20
don't believe the sway bar can be mounted upside down.</span></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span class=3D"yiv03=
95032359625253000-18012016"></span></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1452860714381_56372"><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=
=3D"2" face=3D"Arial" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1452860714381_56371"><span class=
=3D"yiv0395032359625253000-18012016" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1452860714381_56370=
">I=20
believe I used the thinner&nbsp;Mustang II rubber cushion on top of the spr=
ings=20
to lower the front end a little.</span></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span class=3D"yiv03=
95032359625253000-18012016"></span></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span class=3D"yiv03=
95032359625253000-18012016">Ron=20
Fraser</span></font></div>
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  <div class=3D"yiv0395032359yqt9364443723" id=3D"yiv0395032359yqt43996"><d=
iv align=3D"left" class=3D"yiv0395032359OutlookMessageHeader" dir=3D"ltr" l=
ang=3D"en-us"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Tahoma">-----Original Message-----<b=
r clear=3D"none"><b>From:</b> Tigers=20
  [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Joel Martin vi=
a=20
  Tigers<br clear=3D"none"><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 17, 2016 5:56 PM<br=
 clear=3D"none"><b>To:</b> Tiger=20
  List Serve<br clear=3D"none"><b>Subject:</b> [Tigers] Front Suspension<br=
 clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></font></div>
  <div style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR:#fff;FONT-FAMILY:garamond, new york, times=
, serif;COLOR:#000;FONT-SIZE:16px;">
  <div id=3D"yiv0395032359yui_3_16_0_1_1452860714381_38122">Since it has be=
en so quiet, I thought=20
  I would throw one out. &nbsp;My front suspension is sooo stiff and the he=
ight=20
  is 2-3 inches in my mind higher than it should be. &nbsp;Rebuilt suspensi=
on,=20
  welded up per CAT instructions, stock springs, Koni shocks - old and all =
new=20
  rubber etc.</div>
  <div id=3D"yiv0395032359yui_3_16_0_1_1452860714381_38122"><br clear=3D"no=
ne"></div>
  <div id=3D"yiv0395032359yui_3_16_0_1_1452860714381_38122">The front has n=
o bounce at all.=20
  &nbsp;First idea is to loosen upper and lower control arm bolts, drive ju=
st a=20
  bit and then re-tighten. &nbsp;Can you put the front anti sway bar on ups=
ide=20
  down - not sure is could be a problem or not. &nbsp;Bushing grease on all=
 new=20
  rubber?</div>
  <div id=3D"yiv0395032359yui_3_16_0_1_1452860714381_38122"><br clear=3D"no=
ne"></div>
  <div id=3D"yiv0395032359yui_3_16_0_1_1452860714381_38122">Thoughts\ideas =
would be=20
  appreciated.</div>
  <div id=3D"yiv0395032359yui_3_16_0_1_1452860714381_38122"><br clear=3D"no=
ne"></div>
  <div id=3D"yiv0395032359yui_3_16_0_1_1452860714381_38122">Joel Martin,=20
MK1A</div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><br><br></div> </div> </div>=
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What bushings did you use?  Were they factory style, or the urethane =
bushings SS sells?  The urethane bushings are for lack of a better term =
=E2=80=9Cfree floating=E2=80=9D (rotation) and shouldn=E2=80=99t cause =
the problem. While you can lubricate these it shouldn=E2=80=99t be a =
requirement for rotation. Rather the lubrication helps with longevity =
and squeaks. I believe Tom Hall did a write up on adding Zerk fittings =
for that purpose.

The stock type the rubber bushing flexes and as such lubricating them =
will do nothing. As stated, if tightened with the wheels in full droop =
they quickly run out of rotation and bind when loaded with weight. This =
can leave the car high.  Also, because of the location of the spring =
there is a greater than 1 to 1 ratio as it affects the ride height.  If =
the rubber donut was well worn the new donut will raise the car.

Be careful if you loosen the bushings.  You need the car to drop =
=E2=80=93 and it will drop.., possibly on you.=20

From: Joel Martin via Tigers=20
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 2:56 PM
To: Tiger List Serve=20
Subject: [Tigers] Front Suspension

Since it has been so quiet, I thought I would throw one out.  My front =
suspension is sooo stiff and the height is 2-3 inches in my mind higher =
than it should be.  Rebuilt suspension, welded up per CAT instructions, =
stock springs, Koni shocks - old and all new rubber etc.

The front has no bounce at all.  First idea is to loosen upper and lower =
control arm bolts, drive just a bit and then re-tighten.  Can you put =
the front anti sway bar on upside down - not sure is could be a problem =
or not.  Bushing grease on all new rubber?

Joel Martin, MK1A

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urethane=20
bushings SS sells?&nbsp; The urethane bushings are for lack of a better =
term=20
=E2=80=9Cfree floating=E2=80=9D (rotation) and shouldn=E2=80=99t cause =
the problem. While you can=20
lubricate these it shouldn=E2=80=99t be a requirement for rotation. =
Rather the=20
lubrication helps with longevity and squeaks. I believe Tom Hall did a =
write up=20
on adding Zerk fittings for that purpose.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>The stock type the rubber bushing flexes and as such lubricating =
them will=20
do nothing. As stated, if tightened with the wheels in full droop they =
quickly=20
run out of rotation and bind when loaded with weight. This can leave the =
car=20
high.&nbsp; Also, because of the location of the spring there is a =
greater than=20
1 to 1 ratio as it affects the ride height.&nbsp; If the rubber donut =
was well=20
worn the new donut will raise the car.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Be careful if you loosen the bushings.&nbsp; You need the car to =
drop =E2=80=93 and=20
it will drop.., possibly on you. </DIV>
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href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Joel Martin via Tigers</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 17, 2016 2:56 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=[email-masked]=20
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Tiger List Serve</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> [Tigers] Front Suspension</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1452860714381_38122>Since it has been so quiet, I =
thought I=20
would throw one out.&nbsp; My front suspension is sooo stiff and the =
height is=20
2-3 inches in my mind higher than it should be.&nbsp; Rebuilt =
suspension, welded=20
up per CAT instructions, stock springs, Koni shocks - old and all new =
rubber=20
etc.</DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1452860714381_38122>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1452860714381_38122>The front has no bounce at =
all.&nbsp;=20
First idea is to loosen upper and lower control arm bolts, drive just a =
bit and=20
then re-tighten.&nbsp; Can you put the front anti sway bar on upside =
down - not=20
sure is could be a problem or not.&nbsp; Bushing grease on all new =
rubber?</DIV>
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<DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1452860714381_38122>Thoughts\ideas would be=20
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<DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1452860714381_38122>Joel Martin, MK1A</DIV></DIV>
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Joel,

You might want to check the setting on your Konis.  If they are original =
Konis and they are still at the factory setting, they=E2=80=99ll be very =
stiff.  They will provide correct rebound, etc but it will take a lot of =
force to compress them.  Backing off a turn or so should lighten them =
up.

Will - [email-masked]
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<DIV><FONT size=3D4>You might want to check the setting on your =
Konis.&nbsp; If=20
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they=E2=80=99ll be=20
very stiff.&nbsp; They will provide correct rebound, etc but it will =
take a lot=20
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#000000">Will -=20
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href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Joel Martin via Tigers</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 17, 2016 5:56 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=[email-masked]=20
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Tiger List Serve</A> </DIV>
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<DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1452860714381_38122>Since it has been so quiet, I =
thought I=20
would throw one out.&nbsp; My front suspension is sooo stiff and the =
height is=20
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suspension, welded=20
up per CAT instructions, stock springs, Koni shocks - old and all new =
rubber=20
etc.</DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1452860714381_38122>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1452860714381_38122>The front has no bounce at =
all.&nbsp;=20
First idea is to loosen upper and lower control arm bolts, drive just a =
bit and=20
then re-tighten.&nbsp; Can you put the front anti sway bar on upside =
down - not=20
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rubber?</DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1452860714381_38122>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1452860714381_38122>Thoughts\ideas would be=20
appreciated.</DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1452860714381_38122>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1452860714381_38122>Joel Martin, MK1A</DIV></DIV>
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