Subject: Re: [Tigers] 2-post versus 4-post Lifts

From: CoolVT--- via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 22:02:43 -0500

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If you want to do a lot of work on your car you'll be better off with a 2  
post. If you're more interested in storage and only want to change tires, 
wash  and wax, etc.  then a 4 post will probably do better for you.
If you decide to go with a 2 post, email me and I will forward some of the  
facts that I discovered.  Mark L

In a message dated 1/28/2016 8:28:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[email-masked] writes:

Hi All,
I'm getting ready to pour the foundation of a new garage and want  to have 
it prepped to receive a new lift.
I've been research 2-post and 4-post  systems and want to get some feedback 
from the group.
One 4-post I reviewed has casters for easy  moving and that is appealing.
I have plenty of room 24'x36', but need to  stack cars.
Up until now, I've made due with floor  jacks and stands, so I want to do 
it right.
 
The group's advise would be most  appreciated,
Brian
 
Brian  Glenn

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<DIV>If you want to do a lot of work on your car you'll be better off with=
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 wash=20
and wax, etc.&nbsp; then a 4 post will probably do better for you.</DIV>
<DIV>If you decide to go with a 2 post, email me and I will forward some=
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facts that I discovered.&nbsp; Mark L</DIV>
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  <DIV><SPAN>Hi All,</SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN>I'm getting ready to pour the foundation of a new garage and=
 want=20
  to have it prepped to receive a new lift.</SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1454029857760_3344><SPAN=20
  id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1454029857760_3355>I've been research 2-post and 4-pos=
t=20
  systems and want to get some feedback from the group.</SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1454029857760_3357><SPAN=20
  id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1454029857760_3380>One 4-post I reviewed has casters=
 for easy=20
  moving and that is appealing.</SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1454029857760_3362><SPAN=20
  id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1454029857760_3379>I have plenty of room 24'x36', but=
 need to=20
  stack cars.</SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1454029857760_3343><SPAN=20
  id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1454029857760_3378>Up until now, I've made due with fl=
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  jacks and stands, so I want to do it right.</SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1454029857760_3377><SPAN></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1454029857760_3367><SPAN=20
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  <DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1454029857760_3305>Brian</DIV>
  <DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1454029857760_3368>&nbsp;</DIV>
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From: Cars via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 20:40:36 -0700

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Make sure that if you get a two post lift that the arms will fit under the t=
iger. Most will, some don't. Don't ask me how I know.=20

I actually store a car on my two post lift all winter. Never had a problem a=
nd never worried.=20

Good luck. I love my two post

Lynn

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> On Jan 28, 2016, at 8:02 PM, CoolVT--- via Tigers <[email-masked]> w=
rote:
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> If you want to do a lot of work on your car you'll be better off with a 2 p=
ost. If you're more interested in storage and only want to change tires, was=
h and wax, etc.  then a 4 post will probably do better for you.
> If you decide to go with a 2 post, email me and I will forward some of the=
> =20
> In a message dated 1/28/2016 8:28:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  tigers@a=
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> Hi All,
> I'm getting ready to pour the foundation of a new garage and want to have i=
t prepped to receive a new lift.
> I've been research 2-post and 4-post systems and want to get some feedback=
 from the group.
> Up until now, I've made due with floor jacks and stands, so I want to do i=
t right.
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<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Make sure that if you get a two post lift that the arms will fit under the tiger. Most will, some don't. Don't ask me how I know.&nbsp;</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">I actually store a car on my two post lift all winter. Never had a problem and never worried.&nbsp;</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Good luck. I love my two post</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Lynn<br><br>Sent from my mobile device</div><div><br>On Jan 28, 2016, at 8:02 PM, CoolVT--- via Tigers &lt;<a href="mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>

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<div>If you want to do a lot of work on your car you'll be better off with a 2 
post. If you're more interested in storage and only want to change tires, wash 
and wax, etc.&nbsp; then a 4 post will probably do better for you.</div>
<div>If you decide to go with a 2 post, email me and I will forward some of the 
facts that I discovered.&nbsp; Mark L</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>
<div>In a message dated 1/28/2016 8:28:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
<a href="mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> writes:</div>
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  <div><span>Hi All,</span></div>
  <div><span>I'm getting ready to pour the foundation of a new garage and want 
  to have it prepped to receive a new lift.</span></div>
  <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1454029857760_3344"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1454029857760_3355">I've been research 2-post and 4-post 
  systems and want to get some feedback from the group.</span></div>
  <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1454029857760_3357"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1454029857760_3380">One 4-post I reviewed has casters for easy 
  moving and that is appealing.</span></div>
  <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1454029857760_3362"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1454029857760_3379">I have plenty of room 24'x36', but need to 
  stack cars.</span></div>
  <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1454029857760_3343"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1454029857760_3378">Up until now, I've made due with floor 
  jacks and stands, so I want to do it right.</span></div>
  <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1454029857760_3377"><span></span>&nbsp;</div>
  <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1454029857760_3367"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1454029857760_3386">The group's advise would be most 
  appreciated,</span></div>
  <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1454029857760_3305">Brian</div>
  <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1454029857760_3368">&nbsp;</div>
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From: Gary via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 05:40:50 +0000 (UTC)

Get one of each, problem solved!

Gary
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On Thu, 1/28/16, Brian Glenn via Tigers <[email-masked]> wrote:

 Subject: [Tigers] 2-post versus 4-post Lifts
 To: "Ron Fraser via Tigers" <[email-masked]>
 Date: Thursday, January 28, 2016, 5:18 PM
 
 Hi All,
I'm getting ready to pour the foundation of a new garage and want to have it prepped to receive a new lift. I've been research 2-post and 4-post systems and want to get some feedback from the group. One 4-post I reviewed has casters for easy moving and that is appealing. I have plenty of room 24'x36', but need to stack cars. Up until now, I've made due with floor jacks and stands, so I want to do it right. The group's advise would be most appreciated,
Brian Glenn
  
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From: Larry Wright via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 19:50:20 +0000

I'm sure all the West-coasters have been through it all before and shrug it off, but I was a couple of miles from home when I experienced our one significant earthquake, eh, 5 years ago -- and the first thing I thought of was the Tiger sitting on the lift in the garage. Came home, opened the door, all was well. 4-post lift. MAYBE someone can convince me that a 2-post is as stable under such circumstances...

Larry Wright
Seabrook, MD

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From: CoolVT--- via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 15:38:37 -0500

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Figure a Tiger at 2500 lbs. on a 9000lb rated lift.  Should be pretty  
secure. The guy who installed mine said they are actually tested at twice  the 
rated capacity. I think as long as the Tiger isn't shaken off the lift then  
it's a pretty good bet that the lift won't collapse. 
Mark L

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I'm sure all the West-coasters have been through it all before and  shrug 
it off, but I was a couple of miles from home when I experienced our one  
significant earthquake, eh, 5 years ago -- and the first thing I thought of  
was the Tiger sitting on the lift in the garage. Came home, opened the door,  
all was well. 4-post lift. MAYBE someone can convince me that a 2-post is as 
 stable under such circumstances...

Larry Wright
Seabrook,  MD

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From: CoolVT--- via Tigers <[email-masked]>
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If you are going to use a 2 post you definitely want to get advice from th=
e=20
 manufacturer regarding slab thickness.  My guess is you'll be told a =20
minimum of 6" reinforced concrete where the posts attach.  In my case I =
 asked=20
around local repair shops for the name of the company that did repair work=
 =20
on their shop lifts.  One guy's name (a man in business for himself) came=
  up=20
a few times.  I hired him and worked with him to install. Best $250 I  eve=
r=20
spent.  He said he had installed more than 100 in his career with zero =20
failures so I felt pretty safe.  Mark L
=20
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In a message dated 1/29/2016 5:40:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, =20
[email-masked] writes:

The point of concern for the two post lift is typically the concrete.  I=
=20
have no concerns about my 2 post for storage. Of course I have a very  thi=
ck=20
concrete pad. If I had a four inch thick pad I would be concerned. Lifts=
  are=20
awesome to work on cars. Although while I store cars on my two post lift=
 =20
during the winter. Working underneath it gives me the heeby jeebies if I'm=
 =20
using any real torque or big tools. Working on the suspension does not sca=
re =20
me.

Funny story. Back in the 70's a friend of ours had  a two post lift he use=
d=20
in his mechanic shop. He too used a 4x4 to help hold  the lift up in an=20
"emergency" in addition to the safety locks. He went to help  a customer=
 and=20
one of his techs went to lower the lift with an original 289  cobra on it.=
 He=20
slightly raised the lift to remove the safety catch, the 4x4  tipped to be=
=20
underneath the car and when he lowered the lift the car tilted  and then=
 slid=20
off the lift landing between the posts on its side.  Ouch!!

On Jan 29, 2016, at 3:01 PM, Jay Laifman via Tigers=20
<[email-masked] (mailto:[email-masked]) >  wrote:

:-)   I have spent many an hour under cars on  jackstands.  On hindsight,=
=20
in California, not a good idea.  I now  almost exclusively use ramps if I=
=20
can.  If I can't, I ALWAYS have  something bigger than me under there too.=
  I=20
have this large, long  block of wood that some contractors left once.  It'=
s=20
added  protection.  I put all wheels under too - including all the jack=20
stands  and floor jacks under there. =20

Funny you mention sore arms.  There are many times when I've been  under=
 a=20
car working away on my back when my arms just burn from holding them  up=
 for=20
too long.

I bought my lift solely for car storage purposes.  Being able to  work=20
under cars is just an added benefit.  For me, in suburbia with a  tight HO=
A, I=20
have my existing garage space, with no option to build out a  wider, longe=
r=20
garage.  So if I wanted more cars in the garage, they had  to go up.

On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Tom Witt via Tigers =20
<[email-masked] (mailto:[email-masked]) > wrote:

=20
=20
There would be a difference between a car falling off a lift (or the  lift=
=20
vertically collapsing)..., and the lift falling (tilting) over with  the=
 car=20
still firmly attached.  It would seem the floor structure for  a two post=
=20
lift needs to be seismically substantial as compared to a four  post lift.=
  I=20
don=E2=80=99t think the issue is the two post lift collapsing  (vertically=
) as much=20
as it is simply falling (tilting front-back) with the  failure at the floo=
r=20
attachment.  Tripods have at least three legs  for a reason.
=20
As a lifetime suburbanite I struggle to comprehend the need for a  lift.=
 =20
Are there really that many places that are width/depth  challenged and yet=
=20
have substantial height to elevate the car =E2=80=93 especially  for stack=
ed parking?=20
If you are replacing exhaust systems, brakes,  transmissions on a daily=20
basis sure they make sense. Maybe it is just my  perpetually bad back, but=
=20
having to stand, look up and work with arms up  seems like torture compare=
d to=20
putting a car on jackstands and lying on  the floor to work. A sheet of fo=
am=20
core makes a nice, cushioning  insulator. =20
=20
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From: _CoolVT--- via Tigers_ (mailto:[email-masked])  =20
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 12:38 PM
To: [email-masked] (mailto:[email-masked])  ;=20
[email-masked] (mailto:[email-masked]) =20
Subject: Re: [Tigers] 2-post versus 4-post  Lifts

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=20
Figure a Tiger at 2500 lbs. on a 9000lb rated lift.  Should be  pretty=20
secure. The guy who installed mine said they are actually tested at  twice=
 the=20
rated capacity. I think as long as the Tiger isn't shaken off  the lift th=
en=20
it's a pretty good bet that the lift won't collapse.=20
Mark L
=20
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I'm sure all the West-coasters have been  through it all before and shrug=
=20
it off, but I was a couple of miles from  home when I experienced our one=
=20
significant earthquake, eh, 5 years ago  -- and the first thing I thought=
 of=20
was the Tiger sitting on the lift in  the garage. Came home, opened the do=
or,=20
all was well. 4-post lift. MAYBE  someone can convince me that a 2-post is=
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as stable under such  circumstances...

Larry Wright
Seabrook,  MD

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<DIV>If you are going to use a 2 post you definitely want to get advice fr=
om the=20
manufacturer regarding slab thickness.&nbsp; My guess is you'll be told a=
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minimum of 6" reinforced concrete where the posts attach.&nbsp; In my case=
 I=20
asked around local repair shops for the name of the company that did repai=
r work=20
on their shop lifts.&nbsp; One guy's name (a man in business for himself)=
 came=20
up a few times.&nbsp; I hired him and worked with him to install. Best $25=
0 I=20
ever spent.&nbsp; He said he had installed more than 100 in his career wit=
h zero=20
failures so I felt pretty safe.&nbsp; Mark L</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV>In a message dated 1/29/2016 5:40:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20
[email-masked] writes:</DIV>
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  <DIV>The point of concern for the two post lift is typically the concret=
e.=20
  &nbsp;I have no concerns about my 2 post for storage. Of course I have=
 a very=20
  thick concrete pad. If I had a four inch thick pad I would be concerned.=
 Lifts=20
  are awesome to work on cars. Although while I store cars on my two post=
 lift=20
  during the winter. Working underneath it gives me the heeby jeebies if=
 I'm=20
  using any real torque or big tools. Working on the suspension does not=
 scare=20
  me.</DIV>
  <DIV id=3DAppleMailSignature><BR></DIV>
  <DIV id=3DAppleMailSignature>Funny story. Back in the 70's a friend of=
 ours had=20
  a two post lift he used in his mechanic shop. He too used a 4x4 to help=
 hold=20
  the lift up in an "emergency" in addition to the safety locks. He went=
 to help=20
  a customer and one of his techs went to lower the lift with an original=
 289=20
  cobra on it. He slightly raised the lift to remove the safety catch, the=
 4x4=20
  tipped to be underneath the car and when he lowered the lift the car til=
ted=20
  and then slid off the lift landing between the posts on its side.=20
  Ouch!!<BR><BR>Sent from my mobile device</DIV>
  <DIV><BR>On Jan 29, 2016, at 3:01 PM, Jay Laifman via Tigers &lt;<A=20
  title=3Dmailto:[email-masked]=20
  href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</A>&gt;=20
  wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
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    <DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr>:-) &nbsp; I have spent many an hour under cars on=20
    jackstands.&nbsp; On hindsight, in California, not a good idea.&nbsp;=
 I now=20
    almost exclusively use ramps if I can.&nbsp; If I can't, I ALWAYS have=
=20
    something bigger than me under there too.&nbsp; I have this large, lon=
g=20
    block of wood that some contractors left once.&nbsp; It's added=20
    protection.&nbsp; I put all wheels under too - including all the jack=
 stands=20
    and floor jacks under there.=20
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV>Funny you mention sore arms.&nbsp; There are many times when I've=
 been=20
    under a car working away on my back when my arms just burn from holdin=
g them=20
    up for too long.<BR>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV>I bought my lift solely for car storage purposes.&nbsp; Being abl=
e to=20
    work under cars is just an added benefit.&nbsp; For me, in suburbia wi=
th a=20
    tight HOA, I have my existing garage space, with no option to build ou=
t a=20
    wider, longer garage.&nbsp; So if I wanted more cars in the garage, th=
ey had=20
    to go up.</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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    <DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Tom Witt via=
 Tigers=20
    <SPAN dir=3Dltr>&lt;<A title=3Dmailto:[email-masked]=20
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    target=3D_blank>[email-masked]</A>&gt;</SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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      <DIV>There would be a difference between a car falling off a lift (o=
r the=20
      lift vertically collapsing)..., and the lift falling (tilting) over=
 with=20
      the car still firmly attached.&nbsp; It would seem the floor structu=
re for=20
      a two post lift needs to be seismically substantial as compared to=
 a four=20
      post lift.&nbsp; I don=E2=80=99t think the issue is the two post lif=
t collapsing=20
      (vertically) as much as it is simply falling (tilting front-back) wi=
th the=20
      failure at the floor attachment.&nbsp; Tripods have at least three=
 legs=20
      for a reason.</DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV>As a lifetime suburbanite I struggle to comprehend the need for=
 a=20
      lift.&nbsp; Are there really that many places that are width/depth=
=20
      challenged and yet have substantial height to elevate the car =E2=80=
=93 especially=20
      for stacked parking? If you are replacing exhaust systems, brakes,=
=20
      transmissions on a daily basis sure they make sense. Maybe it is jus=
t my=20
      perpetually bad back, but having to stand, look up and work with arm=
s up=20
      seems like torture compared to putting a car on jackstands and lying=
 on=20
      the floor to work. A sheet of foam core makes a nice, cushioning=20
      insulator.&nbsp; </DIV>
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      <DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=3Dmailto:[email-masked]=20
      href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D_blank>CoolVT--- via=
 Tigers</A>=20
      </DIV>
      <DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 29, 2016 12:38 PM</DIV>
      <DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dmailto:[email-masked]=20
      href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"=20
      target=3D_blank>[email-masked]</A> ; <A=20
      title=3Dmailto:[email-masked] href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
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      target=3D_blank>[email-masked]</A> </DIV>
      <DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Tigers] 2-post versus 4-post=20
      Lifts</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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      <DIV>Figure a Tiger at 2500 lbs. on a 9000lb rated lift.&nbsp; Shoul=
d be=20
      pretty secure. The guy who installed mine said they are actually tes=
ted at=20
      twice the rated capacity. I think as long as the Tiger isn't shaken=
 off=20
      the lift then it's a pretty good bet that the lift won't collapse.=
 </DIV>
      <DIV>Mark L</DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV>
      <DIV>In a message dated 1/29/2016 3:13:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time=
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        face=3DArial>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I'm sure all the West-coasters hav=
e been=20
        through it all before and shrug it off, but I was a couple of mile=
s from=20
        home when I experienced our one significant earthquake, eh, 5 year=
s ago=20
        -- and the first thing I thought of was the Tiger sitting on the=
 lift in=20
        the garage. Came home, opened the door, all was well. 4-post lift.=
 MAYBE=20
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        circumstances...<BR><BR>Larry Wright<BR>Seabrook,=20
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