Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brakes

From: Jay Laifman via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 07:31:57 -0800

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I was just watching a Jay Leno episode on an MG TD with a Chevy V8 in it.
He was complaining about the drum brakes in the front.  He had a Wilwood
salesperson in there.  Jay commented that the Tiger brakes were no good,
with drums up front.  He also made some other somewhat disparaging comments
about the Tiger.  Kind of sad to see that.  The Wilwood guy said some
totally wrong things too - like he said their low profile caliper is to get
the pads "down, close and tight over the rotor."  Ah, last time I checked,
the low profile was for OD clearance for a smaller wheel - all their
calipers better be getting down, close and tight over the rotor!  Then he
said the front Tiger brake "is a drum brake, a really small drum.  You get
one good stop, and that's really all you get."  Jay laughed and agreed with
that comment.   So I have to say, it did not leave me with a whole lot of
confidence in them - or at least this salesman's knowledge.  And he is the
sales manager.

Ok I'm being overly critical.  They are just small nits.  And, they
probably make great brakes.

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> Tigers,
> Is anyone using the Wilwood front disc kit?  If so, is it that much better
> than the stock brakes?
> Thanks in advance.
> Tym McDowell
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I was just watching a Jay Leno episode on an MG TD with a =
Chevy V8 in it.=C2=A0 He was complaining about the drum brakes in the front=
.=C2=A0 He had a Wilwood salesperson in there.=C2=A0 Jay commented that the=
 Tiger brakes were no good, with drums up front.=C2=A0 He also made some ot=
her somewhat disparaging comments about the Tiger.=C2=A0 Kind of sad to see=
 that.=C2=A0 The Wilwood guy said some totally wrong things too - like he s=
aid their low profile caliper is to get the pads &quot;down, close and tigh=
t over the rotor.&quot; =C2=A0Ah, last time I checked, the low profile was =
for OD clearance for a smaller wheel - all their calipers better be getting=
 down, close and tight over the rotor!=C2=A0 Then he said the front Tiger b=
rake &quot;is a drum brake, a really small drum.=C2=A0 You get one good sto=
p, and that&#39;s really all you get.&quot;=C2=A0=C2=A0Jay laughed and agre=
ed with that comment. =C2=A0=C2=A0So I have to say, it did not leave me wit=
h a whole lot of confidence in them - or at least this salesman&#39;s knowl=
edge.=C2=A0 And he is the sales manager.<div><br></div><div>Ok I&#39;m bein=
g overly critical.=C2=A0 They are just small nits.=C2=A0 And, they probably=
 make great brakes.=C2=A0<div><br><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div=
></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, No=
v 4, 2015 at 6:32 PM, tym2--- via Tigers <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt=
;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>Tigers,</div>
<div></div>
<div>Is anyone using the Wilwood front disc kit?=C2=A0 If so, is it that mu=
ch better than the stock brakes?</div>
<div></div>
<div>Thanks in advance.</div>
<div></div>
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From: Bob Josten via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 09:06:37 -0800

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I'm using the Willwood kit I bought from Dale, I use it with a 7/8" dual
reservoir master without a booster and it works great.

Every year Jay shows up at the Queen's English show at Woodley Park and he
makes a point of walking through the tigers.

Every year he says that he had to sell the one he used to own because all
tigers overheat, they all have dangerous steering issues and they all
handle terribly.

Each time he says this a knowledgeable tiger person corrects him and tells
him that there are certain upgrades that can done that minimize or
eliminate these issues.

That said he did a really glowing video segment with Mike M's tiger the is
posted on the Leno website.

Bob J.

On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 7:31 AM, Jay Laifman via Tigers <
[email-masked]> wrote:

>> Is anyone using the Wilwood front disc kit?  If so, is it that much
>> better than the stock brakes?
>> Thanks in advance.
>> Tym McDowell
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div>I&#39;m using the Willwood kit I bough=
t from Dale, I use it with a 7/8&quot; dual reservoir master without a boos=
ter and it works great. <br><br><br></div>Every year Jay shows up at the Qu=
een&#39;s English show at Woodley Park and he makes a point of walking thro=
ugh the tigers.<br><br></div>Every year he says that he had to sell the one=
 he used to own because all tigers overheat, they all have dangerous steeri=
ng issues and they all handle terribly.<br><br></div>Each time he says this=
 a knowledgeable tiger person corrects him and tells him that there are cer=
tain upgrades that can done that minimize or eliminate these issues.<br><br=
></div><div>That said he did a really glowing video segment with Mike M&#39=
;s tiger the is posted on the Leno website.<br><br></div><div>Bob J.<br></d=
iv><div><br></div><div><div><br>=C2=A0<br></div></div></div><div class=3D"g=
mail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 7:31 AM, =
Jay Laifman via Tigers <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox=
.team.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br=
><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1=
px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">I was just watching a Jay =
Leno episode on an MG TD with a Chevy V8 in it.=C2=A0 He was complaining ab=
out the drum brakes in the front.=C2=A0 He had a Wilwood salesperson in the=
re.=C2=A0 Jay commented that the Tiger brakes were no good, with drums up f=
ront.=C2=A0 He also made some other somewhat disparaging comments about the=
 Tiger.=C2=A0 Kind of sad to see that.=C2=A0 The Wilwood guy said some tota=
lly wrong things too - like he said their low profile caliper is to get the=
 pads &quot;down, close and tight over the rotor.&quot; =C2=A0Ah, last time=
 I checked, the low profile was for OD clearance for a smaller wheel - all =
their calipers better be getting down, close and tight over the rotor!=C2=
=A0 Then he said the front Tiger brake &quot;is a drum brake, a really smal=
l drum.=C2=A0 You get one good stop, and that&#39;s really all you get.&quo=
t;=C2=A0=C2=A0Jay laughed and agreed with that comment. =C2=A0=C2=A0So I ha=
ve to say, it did not leave me with a whole lot of confidence in them - or =
at least this salesman&#39;s knowledge.=C2=A0 And he is the sales manager.<=
div><br></div><div>Ok I&#39;m being overly critical.=C2=A0 They are just sm=
all nits.=C2=A0 And, they probably make great brakes.=C2=A0<div><br><div><b=
r></div><div><br></div></div></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><di=
v class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 6:32 PM, tym2--- via Tigers =
<span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_b=
lank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"g=
mail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-l=
eft:1ex"><div>Tigers,</div>
<div></div>
<div>Is anyone using the Wilwood front disc kit?=C2=A0 If so, is it that mu=
ch better than the stock brakes?</div>
<div></div>
<div>Thanks in advance.</div>
<div></div>
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From: Rob Hogan via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 12:17:23 -0500

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I also viewed that video after your description and found that while they
were pointing to the MG TD front drum brakes and verbally making the
comparison to the Tiger's drum brake size, it would be iffy to fault their
discussion as directly pertaining to a front drum brake setup on the Tiger
rather than the rear drums.  Jay Leno and Wilwood Engineering Sales
Manager, Dustin Burr should have been more specific in that video about the
Tiger's drum brakes being in the rear only.  Technical specificity is a
rare commodity in the general population.

Rob Hogan

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,=
sans-serif">I also viewed that video after your description and found that =
while they were pointing to the MG TD front drum brakes and verbally making=
 the comparison to the Tiger&#39;s drum brake size, it would be iffy to fau=
lt their discussion as directly pertaining to a front drum brake setup on t=
he Tiger rather than the rear drums.=C2=A0 Jay Leno and Wilwood Engineering=
 Sales Manager, Dustin Burr should have been more specific in that video ab=
out the Tiger&#39;s drum brakes being in the rear only.=C2=A0 Technical spe=
cificity is a rare commodity in the general population.</div></div><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all"><div><div class=3D"gmail_signature"><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr">Rob Hogan<br></div></div></div>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 10:31 AM, Jay Laifman=
 via Tigers <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc sol=
id;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">I was just watching a Jay Leno episod=
e on an MG TD with a Chevy V8 in it.=C2=A0 He was complaining about the dru=
m brakes in the front.=C2=A0 He had a Wilwood salesperson in there.=C2=A0 J=
ay commented that the Tiger brakes were no good, with drums up front.=C2=A0=
 He also made some other somewhat disparaging comments about the Tiger.=C2=
=A0 Kind of sad to see that.=C2=A0 The Wilwood guy said some totally wrong =
things too - like he said their low profile caliper is to get the pads &quo=
t;down, close and tight over the rotor.&quot; =C2=A0Ah, last time I checked=
, the low profile was for OD clearance for a smaller wheel - all their cali=
pers better be getting down, close and tight over the rotor!=C2=A0 Then he =
said the front Tiger brake &quot;is a drum brake, a really small drum.=C2=
=A0 You get one good stop, and that&#39;s really all you get.&quot;=C2=A0=
=C2=A0Jay laughed and agreed with that comment. =C2=A0=C2=A0So I have to sa=
y, it did not leave me with a whole lot of confidence in them - or at least=
 this salesman&#39;s knowledge.=C2=A0 And he is the sales manager.<div><br>=
</div><div>Ok I&#39;m being overly critical.=C2=A0 They are just small nits=
.=C2=A0 And, they probably make great brakes.=C2=A0<div><br><div><br></div>=
<div><br></div></div></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 6:32 PM, tym2--- via Tigers <span d=
ir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">t=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex=
"><div>Tigers,</div>
<div></div>
<div>Is anyone using the Wilwood front disc kit?=C2=A0 If so, is it that mu=
ch better than the stock brakes?</div>
<div></div>
<div>Thanks in advance.</div>
<div></div>
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