Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering Wheel Vibration

From: mwood24020--- via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 21:06:24 -0500

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?=0D=0AVery=20interesting.=20Thanks=20for=20sharing.=20Did=20you=20take=20any=20=
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=202015=205:42=20pm=0D=0ASubject:=20[Tigers]=20Steering=20Wheel=20Vibration=0D=0A=
=0D=0A=20=20Recently,=20while=20performing=20maintenance=20on=20the=20wheels=20o=
f=20a=20trailer,=20it=20became=20apparent=20that=20a=20wheel=20hub=20had=20a=20h=
eavy=20spot.=20Having=20made=20incremental=20improvements=20to=20the=20smooth=20=
running=20of=20my=20Tiger=20over=20the=20years,=20and=20having=20often=20wondere=
d=20whether=20the=20hubs=20could=20be=20a=20source=20of=20vibration,=20that=20tr=
ailer=20hub=20made=20me=20determined=20to=20finally=20answer=20the=20question.=0D=
=0A=0D=0A=0D=0AA=20front=20hub=20was=20removed=20from=20the=20Tiger=20and=20clea=
ned,=20hoping=20to=20use=20its=20own=20wheel=20bearings=20(clean=20and=20dry)=20=
to=20perform=20the=20test.=20That=20setup=20wasn't=20sensitive=20enough=20so=20I=
=20adapted=20a=20wheel=20balancer=20shaft=20with=20cones=20addressing=20the=20be=
arings=20on=20each=20side=20of=20the=20hub=20and=20riding=20on=20high=20quality,=
=20dry=20bearings.=20The=20result=20was=20that=20each=20of=20my=20hubs=20was=20o=
ut=20of=20balance=20on=20the=20order=20of=201/2=20ounce.=20A=20hole=20was=20dril=
led=20on=20the=20heavy=20side=20near=20the=20outer=20perimeter=20of=20the=20back=
ing=20plate=20and=20enlarged=20until=20the=20hub=20balanced.=20The=20final=20hol=
e=20on=20each=20hub=20was=207/16".=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0AAs=20the=20hubs=20are=20rela=
tively=20heavy=20and=20much=20smaller=20in=20diameter=20than=20tires=20and=20whe=
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On=20the=20contrary,=20the=20very=20first=20test=20drive=20revealed=20a=20much=20=
improved=20ride=20with=20noticeably=20reduced=20vibration,=20mostly=20in=20the=20=
60+=20mph=20range=20where=20an=20improvement=20was=20most=20appreciated.=0D=0A=0D=
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ar=20suggests=20that=20balancing=20the=20front=20hubs=20is=20well=20worth=20the=20=
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=0D=0A<div><font=20color=3D"black"=20face=3D"arial"></font>&nbsp;</div>=0D=0A=0D=
=0A<div>Very=20interesting.=20Thanks=20for=20sharing.=20Did=20you=20take=20any=20=
pictures?</div>=0D=0A=0D=0A<div>Mike</div>=0D=0A=0D=0A<div=20style=3D"color:=20b=
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=209,=202015=205:42=20pm<br>=0D=0ASubject:=20[Tigers]=20Steering=20Wheel=20Vibra=
tion<br>=0D=0A<br>=0D=0A=20=0D=0A<div=20id=3D"AOLMsgPart_2_11ca490b-3b0c-4533-ac=
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e=20performing=20maintenance=20on=20the=20wheels=20of=20a=20trailer,=20it=20beca=
me=20apparent=20that=20a=20wheel=20hub=20had=20a=20heavy=20spot.=20Having=20made=
=20incremental=20improvements=20to=20the=20smooth=20running=20of=20my=20Tiger=20=
over=20the=20years,=20and=20having=20often=20wondered=20whether=20the=20hubs=20c=
ould=20be=20a=20source=20of=20vibration,=20that=20trailer=20hub=20made=20me=20de=
termined=20to=20finally=20answer=20the=20question.</div>=0D=0A=0D=0A<div=20id=3D=
"aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1447117849127_7354"><br>=0D=0A</div>=0D=0A=0D=0A<div=20id=3D=
"aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1447117849127_7534"=20dir=3D"ltr">A=20front=20hub=20was=20=
removed=20from=20the=20Tiger=20and=20cleaned,=20hoping=20to=20use=20its=20own=20=
wheel=20bearings=20(clean=20and=20dry)=20to=20perform=20the=20test.=20That=20set=
up=20wasn't=20sensitive=20enough=20so=20I=20adapted=20a=20wheel=20balancer=20sha=
ft=20with=20cones=20addressing=20the=20bearings=20on=20each=20side=20of=20the=20=
hub=20and=20riding=20on=20high=20quality,=20dry=20bearings.=20The=20result=20was=
=20that=20each=20of=20my=20hubs=20was=20out=20of=20balance=20on=20the=20order=20=
of=201/2=20ounce.=20A=20hole=20was=20drilled=20on=20the=20heavy=20side=20near=20=
the=20outer=20perimeter=20of=20the=20backing=20plate=20and=20enlarged=20until=20=
the=20hub=20balanced.=20The=20final=20hole=20on=20each=20hub=20was=207/16".</div=
>=0D=0A=0D=0A<div=20id=3D"aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1447117849127_7536"=20dir=3D"ltr"=
><br>=0D=0A</div>=0D=0A=0D=0A<div=20id=3D"aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1447117849127_753=
8"=20dir=3D"ltr">As=20the=20hubs=20are=20relatively=20heavy=20and=20much=20small=
er=20in=20diameter=20than=20tires=20and=20wheels,=20I=20expected=20that=20in=20t=
he=20end,=20this=20would=20prove=20to=20be=20an=20exercise=20to=20eliminate=20th=
e=20hubs=20as=20a=20source=20of=20vibration.=20On=20the=20contrary,=20the=20very=
=20first=20test=20drive=20revealed=20a=20much=20improved=20ride=20with=20noticea=
bly=20reduced=20vibration,=20mostly=20in=20the=2060+=20mph=20range=20where=20an=20=
improvement=20was=20most=20appreciated.</div>=0D=0A=0D=0A<div=20id=3D"aolmail_yu=
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id=3D"aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1447117849127_7542"=20dir=3D"ltr">If=20you=20would=20=
like=20to=20steady=20the=20steering=20wheel=20of=20your=20Tiger=20and=20improve=20=
its=20ride=20quality,=20experience=20with=20my=20car=20suggests=20that=20balanci=
ng=20the=20front=20hubs=20is=20well=20worth=20the=20effort.</div>=0D=0A=0D=0A<di=
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From: Terry Packer via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 03:21:48 +0000 (UTC)

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I did not take any pictures. Heck, I didn't even expect any noticeable resu=
lts.=20

I can add however that I left the brake disks attached and balanced the hub=
/disk assembly. Also, on my first attempt I did space the hub out on the sp=
indle so the hub's grease seal did not drag. Even so, the hub's cone bearin=
gs simply aren't suitable for the job.=20

The hardware I ended up using is very similar to that pictured in the link =
below. It was part of a wheel balancing system I bought years ago and which=
 I still use to balance motorcycle wheels where a good static balance is su=
fficient. You can see that the two cones are individually adjustable on the=
 shaft via setscrews. For anyone without hardware of this type, I think it =
might be possible to mount Tiger hubs on motorcycle wheel balancers commonl=
y used in the service departments of bike shops and motorcycle accessory st=
ores where m/c tires are sold. I have not visited one to investigate that p=
ossibility yet.=C2=A0
If anyone else on the list tries balancing front wheel hubs, I would be ver=
y interested to hear your results as I'm curious whether there is something=
 of substance here or whether my experience was unique.=20

Terry

http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/RLkAAOSwFnFWDFi1/s-l300.jpg

      From: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>
 To: [email-masked]; [email-masked]=20
 Sent: Monday, November 9, 2015 6:06 PM
 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering Wheel Vibration
  =20
=C2=A0Very interesting. Thanks for sharing. Did you take any pictures?Mike=
=20

-----Original Message-----
From: Terry Packer via Tigers <[email-masked]>
To: tigers <[email-masked]>
Sent: Mon, Nov 9, 2015 5:42 pm
Subject: [Tigers] Steering Wheel Vibration

=20

 Recently, while performing maintenance on the wheels of a trailer, it beca=
me apparent that a wheel hub had a heavy spot. Having made incremental impr=
ovements to the smooth running of my Tiger over the years, and having often=
 wondered whether the hubs could be a source of vibration, that trailer hub=
 made me determined to finally answer the question.
A front hub was removed from the Tiger and cleaned, hoping to use its own w=
heel bearings (clean and dry) to perform the test. That setup wasn't sensit=
ive enough so I adapted a wheel balancer shaft with cones addressing the be=
arings on each side of the hub and riding on high quality, dry bearings. Th=
e result was that each of my hubs was out of balance on the order of 1/2 ou=
nce. A hole was drilled on the heavy side near the outer perimeter of the b=
acking plate and enlarged until the hub balanced. The final hole on each hu=
b was 7/16".
As the hubs are relatively heavy and much smaller in diameter than tires an=
d wheels, I expected that in the end, this would prove to be an exercise to=
 eliminate the hubs as a source of vibration. On the contrary, the very fir=
st test drive revealed a much improved ride with noticeably reduced vibrati=
on, mostly in the 60+ mph range where an improvement was most appreciated.
If you would like to steady the steering wheel of your Tiger and improve it=
s ride quality, experience with my car suggests that balancing the front hu=
bs is well worth the effort.
Terry Packer9470018
   _______________________________________________  [email-masked]  =
e Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mai=
lman/options/tigers/[email-masked]    =20

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<html><head></head><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; f=
ont-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px"><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1447117849127_13512" dir=3D"ltr">I did not take any pictur=
es. Heck, I didn't even expect any noticeable results. <br></div><div id=3D=
"yui_3_16_0_1_1447117849127_13994" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_1=
6_0_1_1447117849127_14000" dir=3D"ltr">I can add however that I left the br=
ake disks attached and balanced the hub/disk assembly. Also, on my first at=
tempt I did space the hub out on the spindle so the hub's grease seal did n=
ot drag. Even so, the hub's cone bearings simply aren't suitable for the jo=
b. <br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1447117849127_14447" dir=3D"ltr"><br><=
/div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1447117849127_14449" dir=3D"ltr">The hardware =
I ended up using is very similar to that pictured in the link below. It was=
 part of a wheel balancing system I bought years ago and which I still use =
to balance motorcycle wheels where a good static balance is sufficient. You=
 can see that the two cones are individually adjustable on the shaft via se=
tscrews. For anyone without hardware of this type, I think it might be poss=
ible to mount Tiger hubs on motorcycle wheel balancers commonly used in the=
 service departments of bike shops and motorcycle accessory stores where m/=
c tires are sold. I have not visited one to investigate that possibility ye=
t.&nbsp;</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1447117849127_15081"><br></div><div i=
d=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1447117849127_15019" dir=3D"ltr">If anyone else on the li=
st tries balancing front wheel hubs, I would be very interested to hear you=
r results as I'm curious whether there is something of substance here or wh=
ether my experience was unique. <br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144711784=
9127_15017"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1447117849127_13949" dir=3D"l=
tr">Terry<br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1447117849127_13680"><br><span><=
/span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1447117849127_13681"><span =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1447117849127_13715"><a id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1447117849127=
_13713" href=3D"http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/RLkAAOSwFnFWDFi1/s-l300.jpg">=
http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/RLkAAOSwFnFWDFi1/s-l300.jpg</a></span></div><=
div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1447117849127_13681"><br></div><br>  <div id=3D"yui_=
3_16_0_1_1447117849127_13377" style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new yo=
rk, times, serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1447117849127_=
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=3D"Arial"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> "mwood240=
[email-masked]" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br> <b id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1447117849=
127_14861"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1447117849127_14860" style=3D"font-weig=
ht: bold;">To:</span></b> [email-masked]; [email-masked] <br> <=
b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, November 9, 2=
015 6:06 PM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> R=
e: [Tigers] Steering Wheel Vibration<br> </font> </div> <div id=3D"yui_3_16=
_0_1_1447117849127_13499" class=3D"y_msg_container"><br><div id=3D"yiv37698=
64010"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1447117849127_13502"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1=
_1447117849127_13501"><font face=3D"arial" color=3D"black"></font>&nbsp;</d=
iv>

<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1447117849127_13504">Very interesting. Thanks for s=
haring. Did you take any pictures?</div>

<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1447117849127_13506">Mike</div>

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To: tigers &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
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<div id=3D"yiv3769864010aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1447117849127_7284">Recently, =
while performing maintenance on the wheels of a trailer, it became apparent=
 that a wheel hub had a heavy spot. Having made incremental improvements to=
 the smooth running of my Tiger over the years, and having often wondered w=
hether the hubs could be a source of vibration, that trailer hub made me de=
termined to finally answer the question.</div>

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<div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv3769864010aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1447117849127_7534=
">A front hub was removed from the Tiger and cleaned, hoping to use its own=
 wheel bearings (clean and dry) to perform the test. That setup wasn't sens=
itive enough so I adapted a wheel balancer shaft with cones addressing the =
bearings on each side of the hub and riding on high quality, dry bearings. =
The result was that each of my hubs was out of balance on the order of 1/2 =
ounce. A hole was drilled on the heavy side near the outer perimeter of the=
 backing plate and enlarged until the hub balanced. The final hole on each =
hub was 7/16".</div>

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and wheels, I expected that in the end, this would prove to be an exercise =
to eliminate the hubs as a source of vibration. On the contrary, the very f=
irst test drive revealed a much improved ride with noticeably reduced vibra=
tion, mostly in the 60+ mph range where an improvement was most appreciated=
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its ride quality, experience with my car suggests that balancing the front =
hubs is well worth the effort.</div>

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