Subject: [Tigers] Concern\Question - Front Drivers Seat Foot well space

From: Joel Martin via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 00:37:18 +0000 (UTC)

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Installed drivers seat today, and moved seat all the way to rear - comes ri=
ght up to rear shelf on slider - good. I am 6'0" tall.=C2=A0 Concern is the=
 amount of room between knees, stock steering wheel (15.3"), right knee to =
shift lever and the foot pedals.=C2=A0 With the clutch pushed in there is s=
till about 8" left to the firewall with about 11" from brake pedal and the =
accelerator pedals to the firewall.
Do we really have this much wasted foot well room from the end of the pedal=
s to the firewall?=C2=A0 The brake pedal and the accelerator pedal are abou=
t even in the foot well with the clutch about 1" further 'out' than the oth=
er 2.

Findings:=C2=A0 Both the brake and clutch pedal have the same casting numbe=
r of 1990300 but with different bends entirely.=C2=A0 This seams unusual.=
=C2=A0 The Clutch bends to the left with only 1 available hole connecting t=
o the pedal bracket.=C2=A0 The brake bends slightly to the right with 2 hol=
es available connecting to the pedal bracket.=C2=A0 Both brackets look to b=
e the same.

Spacers at the master cylinders:=C2=A0 brake master has spacer between mast=
er and firewall.=C2=A0 Clutch master does not have spacer due to brake rese=
rvoir slightly to one side closest to clutch reservoir, so no spacer or the=
 clutch master reservoir would contact brake master reservoir and would not=
 bolt up..
I see all this wasted foot well space and now wonder if I have the right pe=
dals, brackets etc for this car.
Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
RegardsJoel Martin

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<html><head></head><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; f=
ont-family:garamond, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px"><div id=3D"yui_=
3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6667" dir=3D"ltr">Installed drivers seat today, and =
moved seat all the way to rear - comes right up to rear shelf on slider - g=
ood. I am 6'0" tall.&nbsp; Concern is the amount of room between knees, sto=
ck steering wheel (15.3"), right knee to shift lever and the foot pedals.&n=
bsp; With the clutch pushed in there is still about 8" left to the firewall=
 with about 11" from brake pedal and the accelerator pedals to the firewall=
.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6668" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><d=
iv id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6673" dir=3D"ltr">Do we really have thi=
s much wasted foot well room from the end of the pedals to the firewall?&nb=
sp; The brake pedal and the accelerator pedal are about even in the foot we=
ll with the clutch about 1" further 'out' than the other 2.<br></div><div i=
d=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6669" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_=
3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6670" dir=3D"ltr">Findings:&nbsp; Both the brake and=
 clutch pedal have the same casting number of 1990300 but with different be=
nds entirely.&nbsp; This seams unusual.&nbsp; The Clutch bends to the left =
with only 1 available hole connecting to the pedal bracket.&nbsp; The brake=
 bends slightly to the right with 2 holes available connecting to the pedal=
 bracket.&nbsp; Both brackets look to be the same.<br></div><div id=3D"yui_=
3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6716" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_=
1446595987547_6744" dir=3D"ltr">Spacers at the master cylinders:&nbsp; brak=
e master has spacer between master and firewall.&nbsp; Clutch master does n=
ot have spacer due to brake reservoir slightly to one side closest to clutc=
h reservoir, so no spacer or the clutch master reservoir would contact brak=
e master reservoir and would not bolt up..</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144=
6595987547_6791" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144659598754=
7_6850" dir=3D"ltr">I see all this wasted foot well space and now wonder if=
 I have the right pedals, brackets etc for this car.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_=
16_0_1_1446595987547_6849" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_14=
46595987547_6848" dir=3D"ltr">Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.</div>=
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6881" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6959" dir=3D"ltr">Regards</div><div id=3D"yu=
i_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6960" dir=3D"ltr">Joel Martin<br></div><div id=3D"=
yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6847" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br=
></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1446595987547_6672"><br></div></div></body><=
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From: Tom Parker via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 09:30:29 -0500

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Joel,

There doesn't seem to be much adjustment available for pedal height except
the two holes on the foot pedal, which gains / costs you @ 1 1/2" of height
according to Section K of the Tiger Workshop Manual. If the goal is to have
all 3 pedals' height the same that's the base line... whichever hole you
choose, and adjust the throttle pedal height to match the brake and clutch
height. I don't think the original brake and clutch rods were adjustable...
at least the diagram doesn't show it... but later / aftermarket cylinder
pushrods may have an adjustment there.

You're right, imo, the travel is far more than needed for full clutch /
brake engagement, But with the Tiger tunnel mods it gets a bit tight the
closer to the firewall the pedals get. I'm a little guy; the folks with big
feet will have issues the lower the pedals. As it is it's easy to hit the
brake and throttle at the same time until one gets used to the car.

Anything can be accomplished with a drill press, but stock height, sadly,
appears to be fixed.

Tom
'67 Mark 2

On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 8:52 AM, Ron Fraser via Tigers <[email-masked]
> wrote:

> Joel
>
> Since these cars are both left & right hand drive capable; both side foot
> wells are similar and nearly symmetrical.
>
> There is only 1 part # for the clutch and brake pedal - 1224677 - LHD
> 1229806 for RHD
>
> They should have 1 hole for the pivot point and 2 holes for the clutch or
> brake push rod.
>
> It is very common in manufacturing of pedals to have 1 part, the forged
> base part which is then struck again to make different pedals.
>
> I found the foot well space behind the pedals to be very handy when
> driving long distance in cruise control - room to stretch my legs.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* Tigers [mailto:[email-masked]] *On Behalf Of *Joel
> Martin via Tigers
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 03, 2015 7:37 PM
> *To:* [email-masked]
> *Subject:* [Tigers] Concern\Question - Front Drivers Seat Foot well space
>
> Installed drivers seat today, and moved seat all the way to rear - comes
> right up to rear shelf on slider - good. I am 6'0" tall.  Concern is the
> amount of room between knees, stock steering wheel (15.3"), right knee to
> shift lever and the foot pedals.  With the clutch pushed in there is still
> about 8" left to the firewall with about 11" from brake pedal and the
> Do we really have this much wasted foot well room from the end of the
> pedals to the firewall?  The brake pedal and the accelerator pedal are
> about even in the foot well with the clutch about 1" further 'out' than the
> other 2.
>
> Findings:  Both the brake and clutch pedal have the same casting number of
> 1990300 but with different bends entirely.  This seams unusual.  The Clutch
> bends to the left with only 1 available hole connecting to the pedal
> bracket.  The brake bends slightly to the right with 2 holes available
> connecting to the pedal bracket.  Both brackets look to be the same.
>
> Spacers at the master cylinders:  brake master has spacer between master
> and firewall.  Clutch master does not have spacer due to brake reservoir
> slightly to one side closest to clutch reservoir, so no spacer or the
> clutch master reservoir would contact brake master reservoir and would not
> bolt up..
>
> I see all this wasted foot well space and now wonder if I have the right
> pedals, brackets etc for this car.
>
> Regards
> Joel Martin
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Joel,<div><br></div><div>There doesn&#39;t seem to be much=
 adjustment available for pedal height except the two holes on the foot ped=
al, which gains / costs you @ 1 1/2&quot; of height according to Section K =
of the Tiger Workshop Manual. If the goal is to have all 3 pedals&#39; heig=
ht the same that&#39;s the base line... whichever hole you choose, and adju=
st the throttle pedal height to match the brake and clutch height. I don&#3=
9;t think the original brake and clutch rods were adjustable... at least th=
e diagram doesn&#39;t show it... but later / aftermarket cylinder pushrods =
may have an adjustment there.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>You&#39;re rig=
ht, imo, the travel is far more than needed for full clutch / brake engagem=
ent, But with the Tiger tunnel mods it gets a bit tight the closer to the f=
irewall the pedals get. I&#39;m a little guy; the folks with big feet will =
have issues the lower the pedals. As it is it&#39;s easy to hit the brake a=
nd throttle at the same time until one gets used to the car.=C2=A0</div><di=
v><br></div><div>Anything can be accomplished with a drill press, but stock=
 height, sadly, appears to be fixed.</div><div><br></div><div>Tom</div><div=
>&#39;67 Mark 2</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gma=
il_quote">On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 8:52 AM, Ron Fraser via Tigers <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">tig=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">=
<u></u>

<div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span>Joel</span></f=
ont></div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span></span></font>=
=C2=A0</div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span>Since=20
these cars are both left &amp; right hand drive capable; both side=C2=A0foo=
t=20
wells are similar and=C2=A0nearly symmetrical.</span></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span></span></font>=
=C2=A0</div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span>There=20
is only 1 part # for the clutch and brake pedal - 1224677 -=20
LHD</span></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span>1229806 for RH=
D</span></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span></span></font>=
=C2=A0</div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span>They=20
should have 1 hole for the pivot point and 2 holes for the clutch or brake =
push=20
rod.</span></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span></span></font>=
=C2=A0</div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span>It is=20
very common in manufacturing of pedals to have 1 part, the forged base part=
=20
which is then struck again to make different pedals.</span></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span></span></font>=
=C2=A0</div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span>I=20
found the foot well space behind the pedals to be very handy when driving l=
ong=20
distance in cruise control - room to stretch my legs.</span></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span></span></font>=
=C2=A0</div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span>Ron=20
Fraser</span></font></div><div><div class=3D"h5">
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span></span></font>=
=C2=A0</div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span></span></font>=
=C2=A0</div>
<blockquote style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT:0px" dir=3D"ltr">
  <div></div>
  <div dir=3D"ltr" lang=3D"en-us" align=3D"left"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"T=
ahoma">-----Original Message-----<br><b>From:</b> Tigers=20
  [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank=
">[email-masked]</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Joel Martin via=20
  Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 03, 2015 7:37 PM<br><b>To:</b>=
=20
  <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
eam.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [Tigers] Concern\Question - Front=20
  Drivers Seat Foot well space<br><br></font></div>
  <div style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR:#fff;FONT-FAMILY:garamond,new york,times,s=
erif;COLOR:#000;FONT-SIZE:16px">
  <div dir=3D"ltr">Installed drivers seat today,=20
  and moved seat all the way to rear - comes right up to rear shelf on slid=
er -=20
  good. I am 6&#39;0&quot; tall.=C2=A0 Concern is the amount of room betwee=
n knees, stock=20
  steering wheel (15.3&quot;), right knee to shift lever and the foot pedal=
s.=C2=A0=20
  With the clutch pushed in there is still about 8&quot; left to the firewa=
ll with=20
  about 11&quot; from brake pedal and the accelerator pedals to the firewal=
l.</div>
  <div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div>
  <div dir=3D"ltr">Do we really have this much=20
  wasted foot well room from the end of the pedals to the firewall?=C2=A0 T=
he=20
  brake pedal and the accelerator pedal are about even in the foot well wit=
h the=20
  clutch about 1&quot; further &#39;out&#39; than the other 2.<br></div>
  <div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div>
  <div dir=3D"ltr">Findings:=C2=A0 Both the brake=20
  and clutch pedal have the same casting number of 1990300 but with differe=
nt=20
  bends entirely.=C2=A0 This seams unusual.=C2=A0 The Clutch bends to the l=
eft=20
  with only 1 available hole connecting to the pedal bracket.=C2=A0 The bra=
ke=20
  bends slightly to the right with 2 holes available connecting to the peda=
l=20
  bracket.=C2=A0 Both brackets look to be the same.<br></div>
  <div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div>
  <div dir=3D"ltr">Spacers at the master=20
  cylinders:=C2=A0 brake master has spacer between master and firewall.=C2=
=A0=20
  Clutch master does not have spacer due to brake reservoir slightly to one=
 side=20
  closest to clutch reservoir, so no spacer or the clutch master reservoir =
would=20
  contact brake master reservoir and would not bolt up..</div>
  <div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div>
  <div dir=3D"ltr">I see all this wasted foot=20
  well space and now wonder if I have the right pedals, brackets etc for th=
is=20
  car.</div>
  <div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div>
  <div dir=3D"ltr">Any ideas would be greatly=20
  appreciated.</div>
  <div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div>
  <div dir=3D"ltr">Regards</div>
  <div dir=3D"ltr">Joel Martin<br></div>
  <div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div>
  <div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div>
  <div><br></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div>
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