Subject: Re: [Tigers] No, not a dipstick comment, new subject - Tiger Street Tires

From: Dave via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 16:40:27 -0300

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Rob;

Here in Nova Scotia we have three Michelin plants that crank out a lot =
of car and truck tires for the Canadian and U.S. market. One of the =
plants made a variety of 15=E2=80=9D tires, and it was closed last year =
due to the shrinking market for this size tire, costing hundreds of =
jobs. So that seems to be the trend, if not the complete end of =
15=E2=80=9D tires.

However, for your reasons, I switched to 15/5.5=E2=80=9D wheels on the =
front and 15x6=E2=80=9D wheels on the rear. For tires I have on the =
front 185-55 R15=E2=80=99s and on the rear 205-55 R15=E2=80=99s.  These =
fit easily into both wheel wells without having to modify the fender =
lips.
These tire/wheel combinations dramatically alter the way the car =
handles. With Goodyear Eagles on 13=E2=80=9D wheels the car was very =
loose and easy to control rear wheel drifts with the throttle; not so =
with the 15=E2=80=9D low profile radials. They require a whole lot more =
throttle and higher road speeds to get that level of throttle control.=20
A larger consideration is the much stiffer ride. The original tube type =
high side-wall tires contributed to a much more confortable ride, and a =
lot fewer rattles and squeaks! The low profiles which must be run at =
higher pressures stiffen the ride and transfer rough road surfaces =
directly to your butt and promotes rattles you never heard before to =
appear.
Unless you are going autocrossing, racing, and/or mostly riding solo w/o =
a significant other, I would try to stay with the original wheels and =
tires until they become impossible to purchase. They make for a much =
nicer, quieter, smoother, albeit less capable cornering, car.
FWIW,
Dave
From: Robert Hogan via Tigers=20
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 3:26 PM
To: [email-masked]=20
Subject: [Tigers] No, not a dipstick comment,new subject - Tiger Street =
Tires

The unavailability of any wide and low profile 13=E2=80=9D street tires =
compels searching for 15 & 16=E2=80=9D tire and wheel combinations. =20

The tire calculator at http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/infoTireMath.do =
compares existing to preferred tire sizes.

Was the original 5.90 x 13 Tiger tire size an 80 or greater profile?  =
The 1972 Workshop manual isn=E2=80=99t that specific except to specify a =
11.5=E2=80=9D rolling radius.

The calculator shows a 5.90 (150 mm) when input as a 155-80 R13 at =
22.76=E2=80=9D overall diameter, 71.51=E2=80=9D circumference and doing =
886 revs per mile which suggests using a 225-45 R15 as a very closely =
comparative replacement.

Does anyone have information on whether 15 inch tires will become as =
hard to find as wider than 185 sections for 13=E2=80=9D tires are now?

Are 16=E2=80=9D or larger diameter wheels and tires a better alternative =
or widely in use on others=E2=80=99 Tigers?

=20

=20

Rob

B382001560 restoration in process

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<DIV>Rob;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Here in Nova Scotia we have three Michelin plants that crank out a =
lot of=20
car and truck tires for the Canadian and U.S. market. One of the plants =
made a=20
variety of 15=E2=80=9D tires, and it was closed last year due to the =
shrinking market=20
for this size tire, costing hundreds of jobs. So that seems to be the =
trend, if=20
not the complete end of 15=E2=80=9D tires.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>However, for your reasons, I switched to 15/5.5=E2=80=9D wheels on =
the front and=20
15x6=E2=80=9D wheels on the rear. For tires I have on the front 185-55 =
R15=E2=80=99s and on the=20
rear 205-55 R15=E2=80=99s.&nbsp; These fit easily into both wheel wells =
without having=20
to modify the fender lips.</DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: =
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style=3D'FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: =
"Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; =
DISPLAY: inline'>These=20
tire/wheel combinations dramatically alter the way the car handles. With =

Goodyear Eagles on 13=E2=80=9D wheels the car was very loose and easy to =
control rear=20
wheel drifts with the throttle; not so with the 15=E2=80=9D low profile =
radials. They=20
require a whole lot more throttle and higher road speeds to get that =
level of=20
throttle control. </DIV></DIV>
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larger consideration is the much stiffer ride. The original tube type =
high=20
side-wall tires contributed to a much more confortable ride, and a lot =
fewer=20
rattles and squeaks! The low profiles which must be run at higher =
pressures=20
stiffen the ride and transfer rough road surfaces directly to your butt =
and=20
promotes rattles you never heard before to appear.</DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: =
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<DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: =
"Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; =
DISPLAY: inline'>Unless=20
you are going autocrossing, racing, and/or mostly riding solo w/o a =
significant=20
other, I would try to stay with the original wheels and tires until they =
become=20
impossible to purchase. They make for a much nicer, quieter, smoother, =
albeit=20
less capable cornering, car.</DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D'FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: =
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<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A =
title=[email-masked]=20
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Robert Hogan via Tigers</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 22, 2015 3:26 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=[email-masked]=20
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> [Tigers] No, not a dipstick comment,new subject - =
Tiger=20
Street Tires</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV>
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style=3D'FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: =
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<P class=3DMsoNormal>The unavailability of any wide and low profile =
13=E2=80=9D street=20
tires compels searching for 15 &amp; 16=E2=80=9D tire and wheel =
combinations.&nbsp;=20
<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>The tire calculator at <A=20
href=3D"http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/infoTireMath.do">http://www.disc=
ounttire.com/dtcs/infoTireMath.do</A>=20
compares existing to preferred tire sizes.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>Was the original 5.90 x 13 Tiger tire size an 80 or =
greater=20
profile?&nbsp; The 1972 Workshop manual isn=E2=80=99t that specific =
except to specify a=20
11.5=E2=80=9D rolling radius.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>The calculator shows a 5.90 (150 mm) when input as =
a 155-80=20
R13 at 22.76=E2=80=9D overall diameter, 71.51=E2=80=9D circumference and =
doing 886 revs per mile=20
which suggests using a 225-45 R15 as a very closely comparative=20
replacement.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>Does anyone have information on whether 15 inch =
tires will=20
become as hard to find as wider than 185 sections for 13=E2=80=9D tires =
are=20
now?<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>Are 16=E2=80=9D or larger diameter wheels and tires =
a better=20
alternative or widely in use on others=E2=80=99 Tigers?<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><o:p></o:p>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><o:p></o:p>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>Rob<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>B382001560 restoration in =
process<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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From: "Smit, Theo via Tigers" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 22:49:49 +0000

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Rob,
I=92m using 205-45R16 on 7 inch wheels, but this is generally not achievabl=
e on stock suspension components nor without clearancing the front fenders.=
 Also, the camber curves on the front suspension have to be tweaked (and no=
te that I=92m not saying my solution is right) to avoid heavy steering and =
egregious scrub due to the contact patch not being close to flat in some si=
tuations.

And, by the time you get to 16=94 the sidewall is getting pretty short, whi=
ch has appearance issues unless you like that sort of thing. Maybe I just n=
eed wider tires ;)

Theo

.team.net>>
m>>
Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 at 12:26 PM
Subject: [Tigers] No, not a dipstick comment, new subject - Tiger Street Ti=
res

The unavailability of any wide and low profile 13=94 street tires compels s=
earching for 15 & 16=94 tire and wheel combinations.
The tire calculator at http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/infoTireMath.do com=
pares existing to preferred tire sizes.
Was the original 5.90 x 13 Tiger tire size an 80 or greater profile?  The 1=
972 Workshop manual isn=92t that specific except to specify a 11.5=94 rolli=
ng radius.
The calculator shows a 5.90 (150 mm) when input as a 155-80 R13 at 22.76=94=
 overall diameter, 71.51=94 circumference and doing 886 revs per mile which=
 suggests using a 225-45 R15 as a very closely comparative replacement.
Does anyone have information on whether 15 inch tires will become as hard t=
o find as wider than 185 sections for 13=94 tires are now?
Are 16=94 or larger diameter wheels and tires a better alternative or widel=
y in use on others=92 Tigers?

Rob

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<div>Rob,&nbsp;</div>
<div>I=92m using 205-45R16 on 7 inch wheels, but this is generally not achi=
evable on stock suspension components nor without clearancing the front fen=
ders. Also, the camber curves on the front suspension have to be tweaked (a=
nd note that I=92m not saying my solution
 is right) to avoid heavy steering and egregious scrub due to the contact p=
atch not being close to flat in some situations.</div>
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<div>And, by the time you get to 16=94 the sidewall is getting pretty short=
, which has appearance issues unless you like that sort of thing. Maybe I j=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The unavailability of any wide and low profile 13=94=
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<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The tire calculator at <a href=3D"http://www.discoun=
ttire.com/dtcs/infoTireMath.do">
http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/infoTireMath.do</a> compares existing to p=
referred tire sizes.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Was the original 5.90 x 13 Tiger tire size an 80 or =
greater profile?&nbsp; The 1972 Workshop manual isn=92t that specific excep=
t to specify a 11.5=94 rolling radius.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The calculator shows a 5.90 (150 mm) when input as a=
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886 revs per mile which suggests using a 225-45 R15 as a very closely compa=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Does anyone have information on whether 15 inch tire=
s will become as hard to find as wider than 185 sections for 13=94 tires ar=
e now?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Are 16=94 or larger diameter wheels and tires a bett=
er alternative or widely in use on others=92 Tigers?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Rob<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">B382001560 restoration in process<o:p></o:p></p>
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Robert,

I have found a reasonable selection of 13 and 14" tyres in the more
sporting segment of the market. Especially if you want "wide"... If by that
you mean 195-205?

They are the streetable comp tyres like Dunlop z1 , fallen azenus, Yokohama
etc.... What size are you looking for?

I run  Direzza Sport Z1 Star Spec and love them.

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<p dir=3D"ltr">Robert,</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">I have found a reasonable selection of 13 and 14&quot; tyres=
 in the more sporting segment of the market. Especially if you want &quot;w=
ide&quot;... If by that you mean 195-205? </p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">They are the streetable comp tyres like Dunlop z1 , fallen a=
zenus, Yokohama etc.... What size are you looking for? </p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">I run=C2=A0 Direzza Sport Z1 Star Spec and love them. </p>

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All those tyres listed are soft compound track types, some are DOT approved
for road usage but in reality they are not serviceable as they do not work
In the real world of rain and road hazards, plus they are not predictable
after a few heat cycles. The RA1's have a wear rating of 100, which in
the real world are good for maybe 2500 miles. I drive twice that every
season between my two Tigers.

On Thursday, October 22, 2015, michael king <[email-masked]>
wrote:

> Mark,
>
> Is it that you can purchase but not run them on the street because they
> are not certified, or just not available at all.
>
> Some of the tyres listed as auto-x and track  on tirerack are actually
> street tyres but maybe not road legal in USA???
> On 23 Oct 2015 11:36, "Mark Rense" <[email-masked]
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[email-masked]');>> wrote:
>
>> Michael,
>> The problem is that the USA DOT requires certification on all tires and
>> for low volume tires like 13" there is just no incentive to bring them into
>> this country. Outside of track tires (Proxes RA1, Hoosiers) the choices for
>> Hipo 13" tires are non-existent.
>>
>> I'd love to have a set of Falken Ziex ZE912 in 205/60-13.
>>
>> Bugz
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, October 22, 2015, michael king via Tigers <
>> [email-masked]
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[email-masked]');>> wrote:
>>
>>> Robert,
>>>
>>> They are the streetable comp tyres like Dunlop z1 , fallen azenus,
>>> Yokohama etc.... What size are you looking for?
>>>

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All those tyres listed are soft compound track types, some are DOT approved=
 for road usage but in reality they are not serviceable as they do not work=
<div>In the real world of rain and road hazards, plus they are not predicta=
ble after a few heat cycles.=C2=A0The RA1&#39;s have a wear rating of 100, =
which in the=C2=A0real world are good for maybe 2500=C2=A0miles. I drive tw=
ice that every season=C2=A0between my two Tigers.=C2=A0<br><br>On Thursday,=
 October 22, 2015, michael king &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:michael.s.king@gmail.=
com">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_=
quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1=
ex"><p dir=3D"ltr">Mark,</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Is it that you can purchase but not run them on the street b=
ecause they are not certified, or just not available at all.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Some of the tyres listed as auto-x and track=C2=A0 on tirera=
ck are actually street tyres but maybe not road legal in USA??? </p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 23 Oct 2015 11:36, &quot;Mark Rense&quot; &lt=
;<a href=3D"javascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#39;,&#39;[email-masked]&#3=
9;);" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br type=3D"attri=
bution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border=
-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Michael,<div>The problem is that the=
 USA DOT=C2=A0requires certification on all tires and for low volume tires =
like 13&quot; there is just no incentive to bring them into this country. O=
utside of track tires (Proxes=C2=A0RA1, Hoosiers) the choices for Hipo=C2=
=A013&quot; tires are=C2=A0non-existent.=C2=A0<br><br>I&#39;d love to have =
a set of Falken Ziex ZE912 in 205/60-13.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Bug=
z</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br>On Thursday, October 22, 2015=
, michael king via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"javascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#39=
;,&#39;[email-masked]&#39;);" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
t</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0=
 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir=3D"ltr">Robert,</=
p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">I have found a reasonable selection of 13 and 14&quot; tyres=
 in the more sporting segment of the market. Especially if you want &quot;w=
ide&quot;... If by that you mean 195-205? </p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">They are the streetable comp tyres like Dunlop z1 , fallen a=
zenus, Yokohama etc.... What size are you looking for? </p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">I run=C2=A0 Direzza Sport Z1 Star Spec and love them. </p>
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