Subject: [Tigers] Dipstick and oil level report

From: Ron Fraser via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 15:42:19 -0400

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

--===============5577270716612199954==
	boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01D10B4E.12DB6DA0"

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

------=_NextPart_000_0004_01D10B4E.12DB6DA0
	charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I set up a fixture - 289 oil pan, timing cover and oil pump with pick up
=20
I used my 260 Tiger dipstick and tube.    The end of this dipstick is =
about
1/2" off the bottom of the oil pan.
=20
Leveled fixture front to back, side to side
=20
2qt - level is at ADD line
3qt - level is 1/4" below FULL line
4qt - level is at the top L of FULL
=20
Tiger oil lines hold about 4 oz
=20
I calculated the volume for oil filters - actual fluid measurements =
probably
vary
Fram PH8A =3D 49.214 cu in =3D 27.27 oz =3D 1.7 pt    ( 1.7 + .25 =3D =
1.95 pt)
almost 1qt
Fram PH3600 =3D 34.289 cu in =3D 18.99 oz =3D 1.18 pt
=20
I measured the angle of my Tiger engine at 2 degrees tilted down at =
front
I measured the angle of my 1988 Mustang engine at 4 degrees tilted down =
at
back
=20
Tilt test
2 degree front        3qt - level is at FULL line
                            4qt - level is 1/16" below Ford logo oval
=20
5 degree back    3qt - level is 1/4" above ADD line or just below mid =
line
                        4qt - level is 1/8" below FULL line
=20
I never think the tilt of the engine would mean so much but there you =
have
it - Tilt means everything with respect to the dipstick.
=20
Ron Fraser
=20

------=_NextPart_000_0004_01D10B4E.12DB6DA0
	charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dus-ascii">
<TITLE>Message</TITLE>

<META name=3DGENERATOR content=3D"MSHTML 8.00.6001.23588"></HEAD>
<BODY>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D312031019-20102015>I set =
up a fixture -=20
289 oil pan, timing cover and oil pump with pick up</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D312031019-20102015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D312031019-20102015>I used =
my=20
260&nbsp;Tiger dipstick and tube.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The end of=20
this&nbsp;dipstick is about 1/2" off the bottom of the oil=20
pan.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D312031019-20102015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D312031019-20102015>Leveled fixture=20
front to back, side to side</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D312031019-20102015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D312031019-20102015>2qt - =
level is at=20
ADD line</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D312031019-20102015>3qt - =
level=20
is&nbsp;1/4" below FULL line</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D312031019-20102015>4qt - =
level is at=20
the&nbsp;top L of FULL</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D312031019-20102015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D312031019-20102015>Tiger =
oil lines hold=20
about 4 oz</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D312031019-20102015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D312031019-20102015>I =
calculated the=20
volume for oil filters - actual fluid measurements probably=20
vary</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D312031019-20102015>Fram =
PH8A =3D 49.214=20
cu in =3D 27.27 oz =3D 1.7 pt&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ( 1.7 + .25 =3D 1.95 pt) =
almost=20
1qt</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D312031019-20102015>Fram =
PH3600 =3D 34.289=20
cu in =3D 18.99 oz =3D 1.18 pt</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D312031019-20102015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D312031019-20102015>I =
measured the angle=20
of my Tiger engine at 2 degrees tilted down at front</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D312031019-20102015>I =
measured the angle=20
of my 1988 Mustang engine at 4 degrees tilted down=20
at&nbsp;back</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D312031019-20102015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D312031019-20102015>Tilt=20
test</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D312031019-20102015>2 =
degree=20
front&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3qt - level is at FULL=20
line</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D312031019-20102015>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
4qt - level is 1/16" below Ford logo oval</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D312031019-20102015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D312031019-20102015>5 =
degree=20
back&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3qt - level is 1/4" above ADD line or just below =
mid=20
line</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D312031019-20102015>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
4qt - level is 1/8" below FULL line</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D312031019-20102015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D312031019-20102015>I&nbsp;never think=20
the tilt of the engine&nbsp;would mean so much but there you have it - =
Tilt=20
means everything with respect to the dipstick.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D312031019-20102015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D312031019-20102015>Ron=20
Fraser</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D312031019-20102015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV></BODY></HTML>

------=_NextPart_000_0004_01D10B4E.12DB6DA0--

--===============5577270716612199954==
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline

_______________________________________________

[email-masked]

Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/[email-masked]

--===============5577270716612199954==--

---

From: Ron Fraser via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 14:12:50 -0400

--===============3304411533421604224==
	boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01D10C0A.935D5A30"

------=_NextPart_000_001E_01D10C0A.935D5A30
	charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Tom
    It is very hard to say how much oil is still left in the upper =
engine or
does not drain back.  I would think every engine is slightly different =
and
that amount should be very small.
=20
With the oil pan at level with 3qt - the fluid level is just about to =
move
into the rear section of the oil pan @ 4qt - the fluid level has move =
into
the rear section.
I'm not sure about the volume increase there - I'll add that to the To =
Do
List - in this case estimate.
=20
One experiment I need to look at is with the pan at 2 degrees down at =
front
- where is the fluid level with respect to the oil pump pick up screen?
The oil pick up screen is toward the back of the deep sump and tilting =
the
engine down at front forces oil away from the screen.
=20
Too much oil usually will not hurt you but too little oil will kill the
engine.
=20
Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: Tigers [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Tom =
Witt
via Tigers
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 1:35 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dipstick and oil level report

Ron,
First, thank you for the labor in doing this. For those who are strict =
and
precise it seems like a chassis jig is your only hope! (LOL)
=20
It would be interesting to know (not asking, just musing) what amount of =
the
4 quarts in the pan reduces due to pudding/clinking, oil passages and =
what
does and doesn't drain back from the filter. I am also curious, what, if =
any
of the 4 quarts went outside the sump area. By that I mean did the oil
height extend into the broader area of the pan. If it did then I'd =
estimate
that volume increases 1-1/2 to 2 times once the oil reaches that point =
for a
given dip stick rise amount.
=20
I learned about the angle issue the hard way. I did an engine swap and =
to
get the engine started dumped in (the only) 3 quarts of synthetic oil I =
had.
The car started fine and I had good oil pressure idling. I shut it down =
and
worked on other areas. Months later when the car was driven I would find
that as the car warmed up - the oil pressure dropped. I checked the dip
stick and making a mental compensation for the driveway angle felt the =
level
was sufficient.  I mean, after all, I had put in 5 quarts (I thought) =
months
ago.  It was only after seeking  exceptionally level ground and =
factoring
for the significant 6-7 degree rearward angle of the engine (350 Chevy =
in a
64 Studebaker in case you are wondering) that in fact I was 2 full =
quarts
low!  The good news is that no damage appeared to be done and in this =
case
the repair was made with a funnel.
=20
I still think that the best thing to do is an oil change (on level =
ground),
warm the engine up, shut off and see where the dipstick level is after
sitting a few minutes.  A file or Dremel tool can then be used to notch =
the
stick. I then use the add/full range as a rough visual guide as it =
relates
to the new mark.
=20
Tom
=20
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 12:42 PM
To: [email-masked]=20
Subject: [Tigers] Dipstick and oil level report
=20
I set up a fixture - 289 oil pan, timing cover and oil pump with pick up
=20
I used my 260 Tiger dipstick and tube.    The end of this dipstick is =
about
1/2" off the bottom of the oil pan.
=20
Leveled fixture front to back, side to side
=20
2qt - level is at ADD line
3qt - level is 1/4" below FULL line
4qt - level is at the top L of FULL
=20
Tiger oil lines hold about 4 oz
=20
I calculated the volume for oil filters - actual fluid measurements =
probably
vary
Fram PH8A =3D 49.214 cu in =3D 27.27 oz =3D 1.7 pt    ( 1.7 + .25 =3D =
1.95 pt)
almost 1qt
Fram PH3600 =3D 34.289 cu in =3D 18.99 oz =3D 1.18 pt
=20
I measured the angle of my Tiger engine at 2 degrees tilted down at =
front
I measured the angle of my 1988 Mustang engine at 4 degrees tilted down =
at
back
=20
Tilt test
2 degree front        3qt - level is at FULL line
                            4qt - level is 1/16" below Ford logo oval
=20
5 degree back    3qt - level is 1/4" above ADD line or just below mid =
line
                        4qt - level is 1/8" below FULL line
=20
I never think the tilt of the engine would mean so much but there you =
have
it - Tilt means everything with respect to the dipstick.
=20
Ron Fraser
=20

  _____ =20

------=_NextPart_000_001E_01D10C0A.935D5A30
	charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<META name=3DGENERATOR content=3D"MSHTML 8.00.6001.23588"></HEAD>
<BODY dir=3Dltr>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D140485617-21102015>Tom</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D140485617-21102015>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; It is very hard to say how =
much oil=20
is still left in the upper engine or does not drain back.&nbsp; I would =
think=20
every engine is slightly different and that amount should be very=20
small.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D140485617-21102015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D140485617-21102015>With=20
the oil pan at&nbsp;level&nbsp;with&nbsp;3qt -&nbsp;the fluid level is =
just=20
about to move into the rear section of the oil pan&nbsp;@ 4qt - the =
fluid=20
level&nbsp;has move into the rear section.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D140485617-21102015>I'm=20
not sure about the volume increase there - I'll add that to the To Do =
List - in=20
this case estimate.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D140485617-21102015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D140485617-21102015>One=20
experiment I need to look at is with the pan at 2 degrees down at front =
- where=20
is the fluid level with respect to the oil pump pick up=20
screen?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D140485617-21102015>The=20
oil pick up screen is toward the back of the deep sump and tilting the =
engine=20
down at front forces oil away from the screen.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D140485617-21102015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D140485617-21102015>Too=20
much oil usually will not hurt you but too little oil&nbsp;will kill the =

engine.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D140485617-21102015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D140485617-21102015>Ron=20
Fraser</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir=3Dltr>
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr lang=3Den-us class=3DOutlookMessageHeader =
align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D2=20
  face=3DTahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Tigers=20
  [mailto:[email-masked]] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Tom Witt =
via=20
  Tigers<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 21, 2015 1:35 =
PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
  [email-masked]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Tigers] Dipstick and oil =
level=20
  report<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">
  <DIV>Ron,</DIV>
  <DIV>First, thank you for the labor in doing this. For those who are =
strict=20
  and precise it seems like a chassis jig is your only hope! (LOL)</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>It would be interesting to know (not asking, just musing) what =
amount of=20
  the 4 quarts in the pan reduces due to pudding/clinking, oil passages =
and what=20
  does and doesn&#8217;t drain back from the filter. I am also curious, =
what, if any=20
  of the 4 quarts went outside the sump area. By that I mean did the oil =
height=20
  extend into the broader area of the pan. If it did then I&#8217;d =
estimate that=20
  volume increases 1-1/2 to 2 times once the oil reaches that point for =
a given=20
  dip stick rise amount.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>I learned about the angle issue the hard way. I did an engine =
swap and to=20
  get the engine started dumped in (the only) 3 quarts of synthetic oil =
I had.=20
  The car started fine and I had good oil pressure idling. I shut it =
down and=20
  worked on other areas. Months later when the car was driven I would =
find that=20
  as the car warmed up - the oil pressure dropped. I checked the dip =
stick and=20
  making a mental compensation for the driveway angle felt the level was =

  sufficient.&nbsp; I mean, after all, I had put in 5 quarts (I thought) =
months=20
  ago.&nbsp; It was only after seeking&nbsp; exceptionally level ground =
and=20
  factoring for the significant 6-7 degree rearward angle of the engine =
(350=20
  Chevy in a 64 Studebaker in case you are wondering) that in fact I was =
2 full=20
  quarts low!&nbsp; The good news is that no damage appeared to be done =
and in=20
  this case the repair was made with a funnel.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>I still think that the best thing to do is an oil change (on =
level=20
  ground), warm the engine up, shut off and see where the dipstick level =
is=20
  after sitting a few minutes.&nbsp; A file or Dremel tool can then be =
used to=20
  notch the stick. I then use the add/full range as a rough visual guide =
as it=20
  relates to the new mark.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Tom</DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: inline; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; =
COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; TEXT-DECORATION: =
none">
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt tahoma">
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5">
  <DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A =
title=[email-masked]=20
  href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Ron Fraser via Tigers</A> </DIV>
  <DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, October 20, 2015 12:42 PM</DIV>
  <DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=[email-masked]=20
  href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</A> </DIV>
  <DIV><B>Subject:</B> [Tigers] Dipstick and oil level =
report</DIV></DIV></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: inline; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; =
COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; TEXT-DECORATION: =
none">
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D312031019-20102015>I =
set up a fixture=20
  - 289 oil pan, timing cover and oil pump with pick =
up</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
  class=3D312031019-20102015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D312031019-20102015>I =
used my 260=20
  Tiger dipstick and tube.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The end of this dipstick is =
about=20
  1/2" off the bottom of the oil pan.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
  class=3D312031019-20102015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D312031019-20102015>Leveled fixture=20
  front to back, side to side</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
  class=3D312031019-20102015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D312031019-20102015>2qt =
- level is at=20
  ADD line</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D312031019-20102015>3qt =
- level is=20
  1/4" below FULL line</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D312031019-20102015>4qt =
- level is at=20
  the top L of FULL</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
  class=3D312031019-20102015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D312031019-20102015>Tiger oil lines=20
  hold about 4 oz</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
  class=3D312031019-20102015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D312031019-20102015>I =
calculated the=20
  volume for oil filters - actual fluid measurements probably=20
  vary</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D312031019-20102015>Fram =
PH8A =3D 49.214=20
  cu in =3D 27.27 oz =3D 1.7 pt&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ( 1.7 + .25 =3D 1.95 =
pt) almost=20
  1qt</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D312031019-20102015>Fram =
PH3600 =3D=20
  34.289 cu in =3D 18.99 oz =3D 1.18 pt</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
  class=3D312031019-20102015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D312031019-20102015>I =
measured the=20
  angle of my Tiger engine at 2 degrees tilted down at =
front</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D312031019-20102015>I =
measured the=20
  angle of my 1988 Mustang engine at 4 degrees tilted down at=20
  back</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
  class=3D312031019-20102015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D312031019-20102015>Tilt =

  test</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D312031019-20102015>2 =
degree=20
  front&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3qt - level is at FULL =

  line</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
  =
class=3D312031019-20102015>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  4qt - level is 1/16" below Ford logo oval</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
  class=3D312031019-20102015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D312031019-20102015>5 =
degree=20
  back&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3qt - level is 1/4" above ADD line or just =
below mid=20
  line</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
  =
class=3D312031019-20102015>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  4qt - level is 1/8" below FULL line</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
  class=3D312031019-20102015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D312031019-20102015>I =
never think the=20
  tilt of the engine would mean so much but there you have it - Tilt =
means=20
  everything with respect to the dipstick.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
  class=3D312031019-20102015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D312031019-20102015>Ron=20
  Fraser</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
  class=3D312031019-20102015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <P>
  <HR>
  </DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

------=_NextPart_000_001E_01D10C0A.935D5A30--

--===============3304411533421604224==
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline

[email-masked]

--===============3304411533421604224==--

---

From: Ron Fraser via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 17:28:44 -0400

--===============8895669999512627481==
	boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002D_01D10C25.F1D338D0"

------=_NextPart_000_002D_01D10C25.F1D338D0
	charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Update
=20
With the oil pan level
10 qts - level is at the rear main seal lip of the oil pan
=20
Tilted 2 degrees down at front of engine - fluid level to oil pick up =
screen
relationship
=20
1pt - level is below the dipstick - just getting the oil pick up screen =
wet
1Qt -  level is about 1/8" on the dipstick - covers about 2/3 of the oil
pick up screen
3pt - level is about 1/4" on the dipstick - covers about 3/4 of the =
screen
2Qt - level is about 1/8" below ADD line - oil pick up screen assembly =
is
just covered
5pt - level is about 1/16" above ADD line - oil pick up screen assembly =
is
covered
3Qt - level is about 1/16" above the Mid Line
=20
This indicates that if you have a similar engine angle situation you =
better
start think about an oil change if the dipstick oil level read between =
the
ADD line and the Mid line.  You are at the 2 to 3 Qts oil in the sump.  =
You
definitely need an oil add or change if the oil level reading is near =
the
ADD line meaning about 2 Qts oil in the sump.
=20
Ron Fraser

------=_NextPart_000_002D_01D10C25.F1D338D0
	charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<META name=3DGENERATOR content=3D"MSHTML 8.00.6001.23588"></HEAD>
<BODY dir=3Dltr>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D421100621-21102015>Update</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D421100621-21102015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D421100621-21102015>With=20
the oil pan level</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D421100621-21102015>10 qts=20
-&nbsp;level is at the rear main seal lip of the oil =
pan</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D421100621-21102015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D421100621-21102015>Tilted=20
2 degrees down at front of engine - fluid level to oil pick up screen=20
relationship</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D421100621-21102015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D421100621-21102015>1pt -=20
level is below the dipstick - just getting the oil pick up screen=20
wet</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D421100621-21102015>1Qt=20
-&nbsp; level is about 1/8" on the dipstick - covers about 2/3 of the =
oil pick=20
up screen</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D421100621-21102015>3pt -=20
level is about 1/4" on the dipstick - covers about 3/4 of the=20
screen</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D421100621-21102015>2Qt -=20
level is about 1/8" below ADD line - oil pick up screen assembly is just =

covered</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D421100621-21102015>5pt -=20
level is about 1/16" above ADD line - oil pick up screen assembly is=20
covered</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D421100621-21102015>3Qt -=20
level is about 1/16" above the Mid Line</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D421100621-21102015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D421100621-21102015>This=20
indicates that if you have a similar engine angle&nbsp;situation you =
better=20
start think about an oil change if the dipstick oil level read between =
the ADD=20
line and the Mid line.&nbsp; You are at the 2 to 3 Qts oil in the =
sump.&nbsp;=20
You definitely need an oil add or change if the oil level reading =
is&nbsp;near=20
the ADD line meaning&nbsp;about 2 Qts oil in the =
sump.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D421100621-21102015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D421100621-21102015>Ron=20
Fraser</SPAN></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>

------=_NextPart_000_002D_01D10C25.F1D338D0--

--===============8895669999512627481==
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline

[email-masked]

--===============8895669999512627481==--

---

From: CoolVT--- via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 18:45:12 -0400

--===============4569275397563901185==

--part1_b8ef8.749ab922.43596f78_boundary
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

That raises the question  what  can cause the engine to  tilt very far from 
stock.....missing the thick washers on the motor mounts, worn  motor 
mounts, incorrect (inferior) motor mounts,  using a non standard or  worn or 
broken tranny mount, ? Anything else?  Or a non stock oil  pan?
Mark L

In a message dated 10/21/2015 5:52:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[email-masked] writes:

Update
 
With  the oil pan level
 
Tilted 2 degrees down at front of engine - fluid  level to oil pick up 
screen relationship
 
1pt  - level is below the dipstick - just getting the oil pick up screen  
wet
1Qt  -  level is about 1/8" on the dipstick - covers about 2/3 of the oil 
pick  up screen
3pt  - level is about 1/4" on the dipstick - covers about 3/4 of the  screen
2Qt  - level is about 1/8" below ADD line - oil pick up screen assembly is 
just  covered
5pt  - level is about 1/16" above ADD line - oil pick up screen assembly is 
 covered
3Qt  - level is about 1/16" above the Mid Line
 
This  indicates that if you have a similar engine angle situation you 
better  start think about an oil change if the dipstick oil level read between 
the ADD  line and the Mid line.  You are at the 2 to 3 Qts oil in the sump.   
You definitely need an oil add or change if the oil level reading is near  
the ADD line meaning about 2 Qts oil in the sump.
 
Ron  Fraser

[email-masked]

Archive:  http://www.team.net/archive
Forums:  http://www.team.net/forums
Unsubscribe:  http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/[email-masked]

--part1_b8ef8.749ab922.43596f78_boundary
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META content=3D"text/html; charset=3DUS-ASCII" http-equiv=3DContent-Type>
<META name=3DGENERATOR content=3D"MSHTML 11.00.9600.18057"></HEAD>
<BODY id=3Drole_body style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR:=
 #000000"=20
bottomMargin=3D7 leftMargin=3D7 rightMargin=3D7 topMargin=3D7><FONT id=3Dr=
ole_document=20
color=3D#000000 size=3D3 face=3DArial>
<DIV><STRONG>That raises the question &nbsp;what&nbsp; can cause the engin=
e to=20
tilt very far from stock.....missing the thick washers on the motor mounts=
, worn=20
motor mounts, incorrect (inferior) motor mounts, &nbsp;using a non standar=
d or=20
worn or broken tranny mount, ? Anything else? &nbsp;Or a non stock oil=20
pan?</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Mark L</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>In a message dated 10/21/2015 5:52:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,=20
[email-masked] writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid"=
><FONT=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" color=3D#000000 size=3D2 face=3D=
Arial>
  <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
  class=3D421100621-21102015>Update</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
  class=3D421100621-21102015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D421100621=
-21102015>With=20
  the oil pan level</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D421100621=
-21102015>10=20
  qts -&nbsp;level is at the rear main seal lip of the oil=20
  pan</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
  class=3D421100621-21102015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
  class=3D421100621-21102015>Tilted 2 degrees down at front of engine - fl=
uid=20
  level to oil pick up screen relationship</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
  class=3D421100621-21102015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D421100621=
-21102015>1pt=20
  - level is below the dipstick - just getting the oil pick up screen=20
  wet</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D421100621=
-21102015>1Qt=20
  -&nbsp; level is about 1/8" on the dipstick - covers about 2/3 of the oi=
l pick=20
  up screen</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D421100621=
-21102015>3pt=20
  - level is about 1/4" on the dipstick - covers about 3/4 of the=20
  screen</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D421100621=
-21102015>2Qt=20
  - level is about 1/8" below ADD line - oil pick up screen assembly is ju=
st=20
  covered</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D421100621=
-21102015>5pt=20
  - level is about 1/16" above ADD line - oil pick up screen assembly is=
=20
  covered</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D421100621=
-21102015>3Qt=20
  - level is about 1/16" above the Mid Line</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
  class=3D421100621-21102015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D421100621=
-21102015>This=20
  indicates that if you have a similar engine angle&nbsp;situation you bet=
ter=20
  start think about an oil change if the dipstick oil level read between=
 the ADD=20
  line and the Mid line.&nbsp; You are at the 2 to 3 Qts oil in the sump.&=
nbsp;=20
  You definitely need an oil add or change if the oil level reading is&nbs=
p;near=20
  the ADD line meaning&nbsp;about 2 Qts oil in the sump.</SPAN></FONT></DI=
V>
  <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
  class=3D421100621-21102015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D421100621=
-21102015>Ron=20
  Fraser</SPAN></FONT></DIV><BR><BR>______________________________________=
_________<BR><BR>[email-masked]<BR><BR>Donate:=20
  http://www.team.net/donate.html<BR>Archive:=20
  http://www.team.net/archive<BR>Forums:=20
  http://www.team.net/forums<BR>Unsubscribe:=20
  http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/[email-masked]<BR><BR><BR><=
/FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></FONT></BODY></HTML>
--part1_b8ef8.749ab922.43596f78_boundary--

--===============4569275397563901185==
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline

[email-masked]

--===============4569275397563901185==--

---

From: Ron Fraser via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 20:05:19 -0400

--===============7331833456899212546==
	boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003A_01D10C3B.D1AC2A60"

------=_NextPart_000_003A_01D10C3B.D1AC2A60
	charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Mark
    The real question is -  what was stock?  =20
=20
What was the original stock Tiger engine angle?
=20
Did a brand new Tiger read the correct oil level back in the day?
=20
My next experiment will be how much do I need to jack up the front of my
Tiger to obtain the correct dipstick reading with 4 qts in the sump.
I just don't know when I will have time to do that experiment.
=20
Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]=20
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 6:45 PM
To: [email-masked]; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dipstick and oil level report

That raises the question  what  can cause the engine to tilt very far =
from
stock.....missing the thick washers on the motor mounts, worn motor =
mounts,
incorrect (inferior) motor mounts,  using a non standard or worn or =
broken
tranny mount, ? Anything else?  Or a non stock oil pan?
Mark L
=20
In a message dated 10/21/2015 5:52:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[email-masked] writes:

Update
=20
With the oil pan level

[email-masked]

------=_NextPart_000_003A_01D10C3B.D1AC2A60
	charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<META name=3DGENERATOR content=3D"MSHTML 8.00.6001.23588"></HEAD>
<BODY style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" =
id=3Drole_body=20
bottomMargin=3D7 leftMargin=3D7 rightMargin=3D7 topMargin=3D7>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D359535423-21102015>Mark</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D359535423-21102015>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The real =
question is -=20
&nbsp;what was stock?&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D359535423-21102015></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D359535423-21102015>What was the original=20
stock&nbsp;Tiger&nbsp;engine angle?</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D359535423-21102015></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D359535423-21102015>Did a brand new Tiger read the =
correct oil=20
level back in the day?</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D359535423-21102015></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D359535423-21102015>My next experiment will be how =
much do I=20
need to jack up&nbsp;the front of my&nbsp;Tiger to obtain the correct =
dipstick=20
reading with 4 qts in the sump.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D359535423-21102015>I just don't know when I will have =
time to=20
do that experiment.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D359535423-21102015></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D359535423-21102015>Ron Fraser</SPAN></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir=3Dltr>
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr lang=3Den-us class=3DOutlookMessageHeader =
align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D2=20
  face=3DTahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =
[email-masked]=20
  [mailto:[email-masked]] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 21, 2015 =
6:45=20
  PM<BR><B>To:</B> [email-masked];=20
  [email-masked]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Tigers] Dipstick and oil =
level=20
  report<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT id=3Drole_document color=3D#000000 =
size=3D3=20
  face=3DArial>
  <DIV><STRONG>That raises the question &nbsp;what&nbsp; can cause the =
engine to=20
  tilt very far from stock.....missing the thick washers on the motor =
mounts,=20
  worn motor mounts, incorrect (inferior) motor mounts, &nbsp;using a =
non=20
  standard or worn or broken tranny mount, ? Anything else? &nbsp;Or a =
non stock=20
  oil pan?</STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG>Mark L</STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>
  <DIV>In a message dated 10/21/2015 5:52:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, =

  [email-masked] writes:</DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE=20
  style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: =
5px"><FONT=20
    style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" color=3D#000000 size=3D2 =
face=3DArial>
    <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
    class=3D421100621-21102015>Update</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
    class=3D421100621-21102015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
    class=3D421100621-21102015>With the oil pan =
level</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D421100621-21102015>10=20
    qts -&nbsp;level is at the rear main seal lip of the oil=20
    pan</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
    class=3D421100621-21102015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
    class=3D421100621-21102015>Tilted 2 degrees down at front of engine =
- fluid=20
    level to oil pick up screen relationship</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
    class=3D421100621-21102015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
    class=3D421100621-21102015>1pt - level is below the dipstick - just =
getting=20
    the oil pick up screen wet</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
    class=3D421100621-21102015>1Qt -&nbsp; level is about 1/8" on the =
dipstick -=20
    covers about 2/3 of the oil pick up screen</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
    class=3D421100621-21102015>3pt - level is about 1/4" on the dipstick =
- covers=20
    about 3/4 of the screen</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
    class=3D421100621-21102015>2Qt - level is about 1/8" below ADD line =
- oil pick=20
    up screen assembly is just covered</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
    class=3D421100621-21102015>5pt - level is about 1/16" above ADD line =
- oil=20
    pick up screen assembly is covered</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
    class=3D421100621-21102015>3Qt - level is about 1/16" above the Mid=20
    Line</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
    class=3D421100621-21102015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
    class=3D421100621-21102015>This indicates that if you have a similar =
engine=20
    angle&nbsp;situation you better start think about an oil change if =
the=20
    dipstick oil level read between the ADD line and the Mid line.&nbsp; =
You are=20
    at the 2 to 3 Qts oil in the sump.&nbsp; You definitely need an oil =
add or=20
    change if the oil level reading is&nbsp;near the ADD line =
meaning&nbsp;about=20
    2 Qts oil in the sump.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
    class=3D421100621-21102015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
    class=3D421100621-21102015>Ron=20
    =
Fraser</SPAN></FONT></DIV><BR><BR>_______________________________________=
________<BR><BR>[email-masked]<BR><BR>Donate:=20
    http://www.team.net/donate.html<BR>Archive:=20
    http://www.team.net/archive<BR>Forums:=20
    http://www.team.net/forums<BR>Unsubscribe:=20
    =
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/[email-masked]<BR><BR><BR></=
FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></BODY></HTML>

------=_NextPart_000_003A_01D10C3B.D1AC2A60--

--===============7331833456899212546==
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline

[email-masked]

--===============7331833456899212546==--

---

From: CoolVT--- via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 20:25:32 -0400

--===============6982608173708283149==

--part1_10070a.475a4556.435986fc_boundary
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Very good point, but my suspicion is that originally when 5 qts.  were put 
in along with a new filter that the dipstick probably read full.   But then 
again, this might have been true for a Ford engine in a Ford car.   But in a 
Tiger???  If the dip stick was originally way off, what did a  dealer tell 
a customer when the discrepancy came up?
Mark

In a message dated 10/21/2015 8:05:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[email-masked] writes:

Mark
    The real question is -  what was stock?   

 
 
Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: [email-masked]  [mailto:[email-masked]] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 6:45  PM
To: [email-masked];  [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dipstick and oil level  report

Update
 
With the oil pan level

1pt - level is below the dipstick - just getting  the oil pick up screen wet

Ron  Fraser

[email-masked]

--part1_10070a.475a4556.435986fc_boundary
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META content=3D"text/html; charset=3DUS-ASCII" http-equiv=3DContent-Type>
<META name=3DGENERATOR content=3D"MSHTML 11.00.9600.18057"></HEAD>
<BODY id=3Drole_body style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR:=
 #000000"=20
bottomMargin=3D7 leftMargin=3D7 rightMargin=3D7 topMargin=3D7><FONT id=3Dr=
ole_document=20
color=3D#000000 size=3D3 face=3DArial>
<DIV><STRONG>Very good point, but my suspicion is that originally when 5=
 qts.=20
were put in along with a new filter that the dipstick probably read full.&=
nbsp;=20
But then again, this might have been true for a Ford engine in a Ford car.=
&nbsp;=20
But in a Tiger???&nbsp; If the dip stick was originally way off, what did=
 a=20
dealer tell a customer when the discrepancy came up?</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Mark</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>In a message dated 10/21/2015 8:05:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,=20
[email-masked] writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid"=
  style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" color=3D#000000 size=3D2 face=3D=
Arial>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D359535423-21102015>Mark</SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D359535423-21102015>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The real questi=
on is -=20
  &nbsp;what was stock?&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D359535423-21102015></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D359535423-21102015>What was the original=20
  stock&nbsp;Tiger&nbsp;engine angle?</SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D359535423-21102015></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D359535423-21102015>Did a brand new Tiger read the cor=
rect oil=20
  level back in the day?</SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D359535423-21102015></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D359535423-21102015>My next experiment will be how muc=
h do I=20
  need to jack up&nbsp;the front of my&nbsp;Tiger to obtain the correct di=
pstick=20
  reading with 4 qts in the sump.</SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D359535423-21102015>I just don't know when I will have=
 time to=20
  do that experiment.</SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D359535423-21102015></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D359535423-21102015>Ron Fraser</SPAN></DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir=3Dltr>
    <DIV></DIV>
    <DIV lang=3Den-us class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft>=
<FONT size=3D2=20
    face=3DTahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> [email-masked]=
m=20
    [mailto:[email-masked]] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 21, 2015=
 6:45=20
    PM<BR><B>To:</B> [email-masked];=20
    [email-masked]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Tigers] Dipstick and oil=
 level=20
    report<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D3 face=3DArial=
    <DIV><STRONG>That raises the question &nbsp;what&nbsp; can cause the=
 engine=20
    to tilt very far from stock.....missing the thick washers on the motor=
=20
    mounts, worn motor mounts, incorrect (inferior) motor mounts, &nbsp;us=
ing a=20
    non standard or worn or broken tranny mount, ? Anything else? &nbsp;Or=
 a non=20
    stock oil pan?</STRONG></DIV>
    <DIV><STRONG>Mark L</STRONG></DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>
    <DIV>In a message dated 10/21/2015 5:52:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,=
=20
    [email-masked] writes:</DIV>
    <BLOCKQUOTE=20
    style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px so=
lid"><FONT=20
      style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" color=3D#000000 size=3D2 fac=
e=3DArial>
      <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
      class=3D421100621-21102015>Update</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
      class=3D421100621-21102015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
      class=3D421100621-21102015>With the oil pan level</SPAN></FONT></DIV=
      <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
      class=3D421100621-21102015>10 qts -&nbsp;level is at the rear main=
 seal lip=20
      of the oil pan</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
      class=3D421100621-21102015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
      class=3D421100621-21102015>Tilted 2 degrees down at front of engine=
 - fluid=20
      level to oil pick up screen relationship</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
      class=3D421100621-21102015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
      class=3D421100621-21102015>1pt - level is below the dipstick - just=
 getting=20
      the oil pick up screen wet</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
      class=3D421100621-21102015>1Qt -&nbsp; level is about 1/8" on the di=
pstick -=20
      covers about 2/3 of the oil pick up screen</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
      class=3D421100621-21102015>3pt - level is about 1/4" on the dipstick=
 -=20
      covers about 3/4 of the screen</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
      class=3D421100621-21102015>2Qt - level is about 1/8" below ADD line=
 - oil=20
      pick up screen assembly is just covered</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
      class=3D421100621-21102015>5pt - level is about 1/16" above ADD line=
 - oil=20
      pick up screen assembly is covered</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
      class=3D421100621-21102015>3Qt - level is about 1/16" above the Mid=
=20
      Line</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
      class=3D421100621-21102015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
      class=3D421100621-21102015>This indicates that if you have a similar=
 engine=20
      angle&nbsp;situation you better start think about an oil change if=
 the=20
      dipstick oil level read between the ADD line and the Mid line.&nbsp;=
 You=20
      are at the 2 to 3 Qts oil in the sump.&nbsp; You definitely need an=
 oil=20
      add or change if the oil level reading is&nbsp;near the ADD line=20
      meaning&nbsp;about 2 Qts oil in the sump.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
      class=3D421100621-21102015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
      class=3D421100621-21102015>Ron=20
      Fraser</SPAN></FONT></DIV><BR><BR>__________________________________=
_____________<BR><BR>[email-masked]<BR><BR>Donate:=20
      http://www.team.net/donate.html<BR>Archive:=20
      http://www.team.net/archive<BR>Forums:=20
      http://www.team.net/forums<BR>Unsubscribe:=20
      http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/[email-masked]<BR><BR><=
BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV=
></FONT></BODY></HTML>
--part1_10070a.475a4556.435986fc_boundary--

--===============6982608173708283149==
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline

[email-masked]

--===============6982608173708283149==--

---

From: Ramon Spontelli via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 19:15:44 -0700

ARRRRRRRRR!

That's all I can stand/I can't stand no more!

What's WRONG out there?

You have a small-block Ford in your Tiger.

If you drain the oil out of the pan.

You put four quarts back in.

If you change the filter, you put five quarts back in.

If you have a high-capacity, maybe seven-quart pan, you adjust accordingly.

Screw the dipstick!  Make extra marks on it if you want to.  If you are
worried about some concourse judge, screw the concourse judge.  Pack an
unmolested dipstick for the silly-ass concourse.  Anybody ever see one pull
the dipstick?

Sorry . . .  I don't do this often, but this one seems sublimely ridiculous
to me.

Ramon

-----Original Message-----
From: Tigers [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of
[email-masked]
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 3:45 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Tigers Digest, Vol 7, Issue 375

Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Dipstick and oil level report ( Ron Fraser)
   2. Re: Dipstick and oil level report ( Ron Fraser)
   3. Re: Dipstick and oil level report ([email-masked])

----------------------------------------------------------------------

[email-masked]

---

From: Ron Fraser via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 10:04:28 -0400

--===============4751602002877976799==
	boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01D10CB1.0C41D240"

------=_NextPart_000_000C_01D10CB1.0C41D240
	charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Mayf
 
Don't go!
 
    You can't make this List of eclectic Folks better by leaving, only by
staying.
 
As in the past sometimes we need a good whipping to straighten us out.
 
Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: Tigers [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Larry
Mayfield via Tigers
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 8:48 AM
To: 'Tom Witt'; Tiger List
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dipstick and oil level report

Ok, folks, you win. I think I will drop off of the list. I have been on it
since the early 90s and have unfortunately seen the list degrade from
something that actually meant something to car owners to this useless
bandwidth wasting nonsense. 

mayf

------=_NextPart_000_000C_01D10CB1.0C41D240
	charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:v =3D=20
"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o =3D=20
"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w =3D=20
"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m =3D=20
"http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml"><HEAD>
<META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dus-ascii">
<TITLE>Message</TITLE>

<META name=3DGENERATOR content=3D"MSHTML 8.00.6001.23588"><!--[if !mso]>
<STYLE>v\:* {
	BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML)
}
o\:* {
	BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML)
}
w\:* {
	BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML)
}
.shape {
	BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML)
}
</STYLE>
<![endif]-->
<STYLE>@font-face {
	font-family: Cambria Math;
}
@font-face {
	font-family: Calibri;
}
@font-face {
	font-family: Tahoma;
}
@page WordSection1 {size: 8.5in 11.0in; margin: 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in; =
}
P.MsoNormal {
	MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman",serif; FONT-SIZE: =
12pt
}
LI.MsoNormal {
	MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman",serif; FONT-SIZE: =
12pt
}
DIV.MsoNormal {
	MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman",serif; FONT-SIZE: =
12pt
}
A:link {
	COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; mso-style-priority: 99
}
SPAN.MsoHyperlink {
	COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; mso-style-priority: 99
}
A:visited {
	COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; mso-style-priority: 99
}
SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {
	COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; mso-style-priority: 99
}
P {
	FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman",serif; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; mso-style-priority: 99; mso-margin-top-alt: =
auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto
}
SPAN.EmailStyle18 {
	COLOR: #1f497d; mso-style-type: personal-reply
}
.MsoChpDefault {
	FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-style-type: export-only
}
DIV.WordSection1 {
	page: WordSection1
}
</STYLE>
<!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapedefaults v:ext=3D"edit" spidmax=3D"1026" />
</xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapelayout v:ext=3D"edit">
<o:idmap v:ext=3D"edit" data=3D"1" />
</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></HEAD>
<BODY lang=3DEN-US link=3Dblue vLink=3Dpurple>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D625355413-22102015>Mayf</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D625355413-22102015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D625355413-22102015>Don't=20
go!</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D625355413-22102015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D625355413-22102015>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; You can't make this List =
of eclectic=20
Folks better by leaving, only by staying.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D625355413-22102015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D625355413-22102015>As in=20
the past sometimes we need a good whipping to straighten us=20
out.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D625355413-22102015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D625355413-22102015>Ron=20
Fraser</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir=3Dltr>
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr lang=3Den-us class=3DOutlookMessageHeader =
align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D2=20
  face=3DTahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Tigers=20
  [mailto:[email-masked]] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Larry =
Mayfield via=20
  Tigers<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 22, 2015 8:48 =
AM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Tom=20
  Witt'; Tiger List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Tigers] Dipstick and oil =
level=20
  report<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV class=3DWordSection1>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: #1f497d">Ok, folks, you =
win. I think I=20
  will drop off of the list. I have been on it since the early 90s and =
have=20
  unfortunately seen the list degrade from something that actually meant =

  something to car owners to this useless bandwidth wasting nonsense.=20
  <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: =
#1f497d"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: =
#1f497d">mayf<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><A name=3D_MailEndCompose><SPAN=20
  style=3D"COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></A></P>
  <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2=20
face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

------=_NextPart_000_000C_01D10CB1.0C41D240--

--===============4751602002877976799==
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline

[email-masked]

--===============4751602002877976799==--