Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Spare Tire & Rim

From: michael king via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 01:26:52 +1000

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There is a theory the alpine and tiger wheels are different, there I think
was a change in wheel design by rootes where they added the strengthening
rib next to each lug hole, this may have been started due to tigers, but
became common to alpine and even other rootes cars.
Thanks Bill,
I thought my Tiger orig spare was in
good shape but your Alpine one
blows it away.
Your pics points out another point,
Tiger and Alpine wheels ARE different
around the wheel nuts.
Gary

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 30, 2015, at 12:54 PM, Bill Waite via Tigers <[email-masked]>
wrote:

Although this info is not about a Tiger's spare tire and rim, it might add
a bit to the discussion.  Especially in relation to the tire types and rim
color.  I am a long time owner of two Tigers (Mark II purchased in 1978 and
Mark I in 1979). However, in November of 2011 I purchased a '66 Series V
Alpine (B395008497 OD LRX) from the original owner. The car has only 66,435
miles on it... original paint, engine, interior, etc. It is a real survivor
that has been well cared for over the years.

This posting is regarding that car's spare tire. The original owner said he
had never used it... and that it was the original. I have posted photos,
below.  I believe the tire is actually the original one... and it sure
looks unused based on the "nibs" (not sure what to call them) that are
still intact on the tire, etc.

One thing I noticed: as mentioned by others, it appears that the wheels
were first painted black... then the front side was painted the "Off White/
very light Grey" color... as the "over-spray" is clearly visible on the
backside of this spare. Also: this tire has a wheel weight stamped with the
Dunlop logo. This may support the idea that it is original?

Please see photos at this link (hope this works):

http://s1299.photobucket.com/user/fordlandia/library/1966%20SERIES%20V%20AL=
PINE%20ORIGINAL%20SPARE
<http://s1299.photobucket.com/user/fordlandia/1966%20SERIES%20V%20ALPINE%20=
ORIGINAL%20SPARE/story>

It may not be correct to assume that the same approach was used on the MKIA
Tigers.  But, seems likely (although the wheel might be a bit different?).

Regards,

Bill Waite
Grand Rapids, MI

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  1. Re: Tiger Spare Tire and Rim ([email-masked])
  2. Fwd: MKI original spare tire (Gary Winblad)
Joel:

I'm at work right now and do not have access to my copy of TBON, but I seem
to recall that the MkIIs had stock steel wheels that were painted a silver
color on both sides, while the Mk1 and Mk1A wheels were painted black on
the inside of the wheel and white on the outside.  If I'm not mistaken, I
believe the correct color ID for the outside wheel color was "Seafoam
Gray," or something like that.  I contacted Tower Paint in Appleton, WI,
years ago and gave them the afore-mentioned name of the correct Rootes
color and they were able to mix me several cans of it to spray my wheels
with.

Jay was correct in his description of the spray method.  The wheels were
evidently painted black and then the "Seafoam Gray" was applied to the
outside surface of the wheel with no effort by the factory to mask off the
inside surface.  It is proper to have a little overspray come through and
land on the black surface of the inside of the wheel, so don't worry about
that.

Hope this helps,
Andy

---- Joel Martin via Tigers <[email-masked]> wrote:
> Tom
> What I find for the MK II, silver is correct but Mk 1A's are different.
>
>
>
> MK 1A owners or knowledgeable persons?
>
> Joel
>
>
>      On Wednesday, September 30, 2015 10:15 AM, Tom Parker <
[email-masked]> wrote:
>
>
>  For what it's worth, my Mark 2 rims are grey on both sides, no evidence
obvious of any black paint on the rear. As far as I know the wheels are
original, untouched (the condition of the car when I bought it in 1976 was,
at best, "rough," I doubt the rims were repainted.
> Tom'67 Mark 2
> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Joel Martin via Tigers <
[email-masked]> wrote:
>
> My trunk is finally complete except for the spare tire,wheel and lug nuts
that would go with whatever wheel is used.  I still have some questions and
here is what I havefound so far. Dunlop 590 x 13=E2=80=9D RS5 with a 1=E2=
=80=9D white
sidewall orGoodyear =E2=80=9CMade in England 600 x 13=E2=80=9D Roadway Spee=
d with a 1=E2=80=9Dwhite
sidewall Wheel =E2=80=93 standard steel 4-1/2=E2=80=9D x 13=E2=80=9D rimPai=
nted black =E2=80=93 Is this
gloss black or another black, semi,satin, flat?Then re-sprayed a gray-white
on the front =E2=80=93 what does thismean?  The entire front of the wheel/r=
imor
just a portion?  Any rattle can paintcan number anyone could provide? I
would like to find a current tire replacement =E2=80=98size=E2=80=99,165x80=
x13 as an
example of what matches the 590x13=E2=80=9D or 600x13=E2=80=9Ddesignation. =
 What does 590
or 600x13translate to? Does anyone have a picture of what the wheel and
tire shouldbe from the front with the 1=E2=80=9D white sidewall and this
=E2=80=98gray-white on the front=E2=80=99is suppose to look like that they =
would share? I
have some LAT wheels with the markings on the inside of=E2=80=9CSRC 1300, 5=
.5 X
1300, patent pending, ?celes cali?=E2=80=9D    As measured from the inside =
of the
lip, they are 5.5=E2=80=9D wide. The steel wheel, chrome ring and cap that =
I have
is 4.5=E2=80=9Dwide from the inside of the lip but has no markings on it th=
at I can
find,inside or outside.  Should there be?Please see attached picture and
tell me if this is a correct Tiger MK 1A sparewheel or what this might have
come off of? I have had this wheel for so many years and no idea where I
got it. Thanks again for sharing your knowledge. RegardsJoel Martin
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Joel,
Here (hopefully you can see them) are pictures of my original spare
from my MKI B9470622..  (black, grey-white front, Dunlop RS5).
Note the /64 datecode.  Your picture looks like /63 datecode, not
sure if that could have been left over long enough for your MKIa but
maybe...
You also have the early MKI "crosshatch" trim ring, pretty sure you
should have the later style.
HTH,
Gary

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<p dir=3D"ltr">There is a theory the alpine and tiger wheels are different,=
 there I think was a change in wheel design by rootes where they added the =
strengthening rib next to each lug hole, this may have been started due to =
tigers, but became common to alpine and even other rootes cars.</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quot&lt;blockquote class=3D" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex=
;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div>Thanks=
 Bill,</div><div>I thought my Tiger orig spare was in</div><div>good shape =
but your Alpine one</div><div>blows it away.</div><div>Your pics points out=
 another point,</div><div>Tiger and Alpine wheels ARE different</div><div>a=
round the wheel nuts.</div><div>Gary</div><div><br><br>Sent from my iPhone<=
/div><div><br>On Sep 30, 2015, at 12:54 PM, Bill Waite via Tigers &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div style=3D"c=
olor:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,He=
lvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div dir=3D"ltr"><fo=
nt color=3D"#686667" face=3D"verdana, geneva, lucida, lucida grande, arial,=
 helvetica, sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:13.3333px;letter-spacing:1=
px">Although this info is not about a Tiger&#39;s spare tire and rim, it mi=
ght add a bit to the discussion.=C2=A0 Especially in relation to the tire t=
ypes and rim color.=C2=A0 I am a long time owner of two Tigers (Mark II pur=
chased in 1978 and Mark I in 1979). However, in November of 2011 I purchase=
d a &#39;66 Series V Alpine (B395008497 OD LRX) from the original owner. Th=
e car has only 66,435 miles on it... original paint, engine, interior, etc.=
 It is a real survivor that has been well cared for over the years.=C2=A0</=
span></font></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><font color=3D"#686667" face=3D"verdana,=
 geneva, lucida, lucida grande, arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style=
=3D"font-size:13.3333px;letter-spacing:1px"><br></span></font></div><div di=
r=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"font-size:13.3333px;letter-spacing:1px;color:rgb(1=
04,102,103);font-family:verdana,geneva,lucida,&#39;lucida grande&#39;,arial=
,helvetica,sans-serif">This posting is regarding that car&#39;s spare tire.=
 The original owner said he had never used it... and that it was the origin=
al. I have posted photos, below.=C2=A0 I believe the tire is actually the o=
riginal one... and it sure looks unused based on the &quot;nibs&quot; (not =
sure what to call them) that are still intact on the tire, etc.=C2=A0</span=
><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><font color=3D"#686667" face=3D"verdana, geneva=
, lucida, lucida grande, arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-=
size:13.3333px;letter-spacing:1px"><br></span></font></div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><font color=3D"#686667" face=3D"verdana, geneva, lucida, lucida grande, ar=
ial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:13.3333px;letter-spaci=
ng:1px">One thing I noticed: as mentioned by others, it appears that the wh=
eels were first painted black... then the front side was painted the &quot;=
Off White/ very light Grey&quot; color... as the &quot;over-spray&quot; is =
clearly visible on the backside of this spare. Also: this tire has a wheel =
weight stamped with the Dunlop logo. This may support the idea that it is o=
riginal?</span></font></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><font color=3D"#686667" face=
=3D"verdana, geneva, lucida, lucida grande, arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><=
span style=3D"font-size:13.3333px;letter-spacing:1px"><br></span></font></d=
iv><div dir=3D"ltr"><font color=3D"#686667" face=3D"verdana, geneva, lucida=
, lucida grande, arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:13.=
3333px;letter-spacing:1px">Please see photos at this link (hope this works)=
:</span></font></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><font color=3D"#686667" face=3D"verda=
na, geneva, lucida, lucida grande, arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:13.3333px;letter-spacing:1px"><br></span></font></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr"><font color=3D"#686667" face=3D"verdana, geneva, lucida, lucida =
grande, arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span><span style=3D"font-size:13.333=
3px;letter-spacing:1px"><a href=3D"http://s1299.photobucket.com/user/fordla=
ndia/1966%20SERIES%20V%20ALPINE%20ORIGINAL%20SPARE/story" target=3D"_blank"=
>http://s1299.photobucket.com/user/fordlandia/library/1966%20SERIES%20V%20A=
LPINE%20ORIGINAL%20SPARE</a></span><br></span></font></div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><font color=3D"#686667" face=3D"verdana, geneva, lucida, lucida grande, ar=
ial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=
=3D"font-size:13.3333px;letter-spacing:1px;color:rgb(104,102,103);font-fami=
ly:verdana,geneva,lucida,&#39;lucida grande&#39;,arial,helvetica,sans-serif=
">It may not be correct to assume that the same approach was used on the MK=
IA Tigers.=C2=A0 But, seems likely (although the wheel might be a bit diffe=
rent?).</span><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><font color=3D"#686667" face=3D"ve=
rdana, geneva, lucida, lucida grande, arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:13.3333px;letter-spacing:1px"><br></span></font></div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr"><font color=3D"#686667" face=3D"verdana, geneva, lucida, luci=
da grande, arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:13.3333px=
;letter-spacing:1px">Regards,</span></font></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><font col=
or=3D"#686667" face=3D"verdana, geneva, lucida, lucida grande, arial, helve=
tica, sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:13.3333px;letter-spacing:1px"><b=
r></span></font></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><font color=3D"#686667" face=3D"verd=
ana, geneva, lucida, lucida grande, arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span sty=
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tire (Gary Winblad)<br>Joel:<br><br>I&#39;m at work right now and do not ha=
ve access to my copy of TBON, but I seem to recall that the MkIIs had stock=
 steel wheels that were painted a silver color on both sides, while the Mk1=
 and Mk1A wheels were painted black on the inside of the wheel and white on=
 the outside.=C2=A0 If I&#39;m not mistaken, I believe the correct color ID=
 for the outside wheel color was &quot;Seafoam Gray,&quot; or something lik=
e that.=C2=A0 I contacted Tower Paint in Appleton, WI, years ago and gave t=
hem the afore-mentioned name of the correct Rootes color and they were able=
 to mix me several cans of it to spray my wheels with.=C2=A0 <br><br>Jay wa=
s correct in his description of the spray method.=C2=A0 The wheels were evi=
dently painted black and then the &quot;Seafoam Gray&quot; was applied to t=
he outside surface of the wheel with no effort by the factory to mask off t=
he inside surface.=C2=A0 It is proper to have a little overspray come throu=
gh and land on the black surface of the inside of the wheel, so don&#39;t w=
orry about that.=C2=A0 <br><br>Hope this helps,<br>Andy <br>=C2=A0 <br>----=
 Joel Martin via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote: <br>&gt; Tom<br>&gt; What =
I find for the MK II, silver is correct but Mk 1A&#39;s are different.<br>&=
gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; MK 1A owners or knowledgeable persons?<br>&g=
t; <br>&gt; Joel <br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 On Wednesda=
y, September 30, 2015 10:15 AM, Tom Parker &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tkparker19=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&g=
t;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 <br>&gt; <br>&gt;=C2=A0 For what it&#39;s worth, my Mark 2 =
rims are grey on both sides, no evidence obvious of any black paint on the =
rear. As far as I know the wheels are original, untouched (the condition of=
 the car when I bought it in 1976 was, at best, &quot;rough,&quot; I doubt =
the rims were repainted.<br>&gt; Tom&#39;67 Mark 2<br>&gt; On Wed, Sep 30, =
2015 at 9:50 AM, Joel Martin via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.=
team.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt; <b=
r>&gt; My trunk is finally complete except for the spare tire,wheel and lug=
 nuts that would go with whatever wheel is used.=C2=A0 I still have some qu=
estions and here is what I havefound so far.=C2=A0Dunlop 590 x 13=E2=80=9D =
RS5=C2=A0with a 1=E2=80=9D white sidewall orGoodyear =E2=80=9CMade in Engla=
nd 600 x 13=E2=80=9D Roadway Speed with a 1=E2=80=9Dwhite sidewall=C2=A0Whe=
el =E2=80=93 standard steel 4-1/2=E2=80=9D x 13=E2=80=9D rimPainted black =
=E2=80=93 Is this gloss black or another black, semi,satin, flat?Then re-sp=
rayed a gray-white on the front =E2=80=93 what does thismean?=C2=A0 The ent=
ire front of the wheel/rimor just a portion?=C2=A0 Any rattle can paintcan =
number anyone could provide?=C2=A0I would like to find a current tire repla=
cement =E2=80=98size=E2=80=99,165x80x13 as an example of what matches the 5=
90x13=E2=80=9D or 600x13=E2=80=9Ddesignation.=C2=A0 What does 590 or 600x13=
translate to?=C2=A0Does anyone have a picture of what the wheel and tire sh=
ouldbe from the front with the 1=E2=80=9D white sidewall and this =E2=80=98=
gray-white on the front=E2=80=99is suppose to look like that they would sha=
re?=C2=A0I have some LAT wheels with the markings on the inside of=E2=80=9C=
SRC 1300, 5.5 X 1300, patent pending, ?celes cali?=E2=80=9D=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0 As measured from the inside of the lip, they are 5.5=E2=80=9D wide.=C2=
=A0The steel wheel, chrome ring and cap that I have is 4.5=E2=80=9Dwide fro=
m the inside of the lip but has no markings on it that I can find,inside or=
 outside.=C2=A0 Should there be?Please see attached picture and tell me if =
this is a correct Tiger MK 1A sparewheel or what this might have come off o=
f?=C2=A0I have had this wheel for so many years and no idea where I got it.=
=C2=A0Thanks again for sharing your knowledge.=C2=A0RegardsJoel Martin<br>&=
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pare<br>from my MKI B9470622..=C2=A0 (black, grey-white front, Dunlop RS5).=
<br>Note the /64 datecode.=C2=A0 Your picture looks like /63 datecode, not<=
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