Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger tires

From: mwood24020--- via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 15:11:24 -0400

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?=0D=0A15's=20are=20probably=20the=20easiest=20size=20tire=20to=20find,=20as=20f=
ar=20as=20140-200TW=20high=20performance=20rubber=20goes.?195=20to=20225=20secti=
on=20widths=20are=20very=20well=20supported,=20because=20they=20are=20common=20t=
o=20lots=20of=20cars=20that=20are=20used=20for=20autocross=20and=20track=20use..=
.everything=20from=20NA/NB=20Miatas=20to=20Honda=20CRX/Civic.=20When=20you=20get=
=20to=2017's,=20the=20selection=20of=20tires=20that=20will=20fit=20up=20front=20=
becomes=20limited,=20because=20of=20section=20width=20(I'm=20also=20no=20fan=20o=
f=20the=2017"=20look,=20but=20to=20each=20their=20own).=20=0D=0A?=0D=0AHave=20yo=
u=20run=20the=20staggered=20R888=20set=20up=20in=20an=20autocross=20with=20compe=
tition=20you=20can=20benchmark=20off?=20Or,=20better=20yet,=20were=20you=20able=20=
to=20do=20back=20to=20back=20testing??I'd=20bet=20real=20money=20that=20your=20s=
quare=20RA1=20set=20up=20is=20faster,=20even=20though=20the=20R888=20compound=20=
has=20slightly=20better=20grip=20(at=20the=20expense=20of=20accelerated=20wear=20=
in=20comparison=20to=20the=20RA1).=20Also,=20the=20R888=20wants=20more?negative=20=
camber=20than=20the=20RA1.=20So,=20if=20you=20haven't=20(and=20have=20any=20room=
=20left=20for=20adjustment),=20I'd=20dial=20in=20more=20static=20camber,=20parti=
cularly=20with=20the=20smaller=20front=20section=20width.=20:)?=0D=0A=0D=0A=20=0D=
=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A-----Original=20Message-----=0D=0AFrom:=20clydemclaughlin=20=
via=20Tigers=20&lt;[email-masked]&gt;=0D=0ATo:=20tigers=20&lt;tigers@auto=
x.team.net&gt;=0D=0ASent:=20Sat,=20Oct=2024,=202015=2011:17=20am=0D=0ASubject:=20=
[Tigers]=20Tiger=20tires=0D=0A=0D=0A=20=20I=20have=20used=20ra1,s=20..205/60r13,=
=20worked=20great..now=20using=20re888=20because=20they=20have=20a=20185/60=20fo=
r=20the=20front=20and=20205/60=20for=20the=20rear,=20I=20feel=20the=20looks=20be=
tter=20with=20this=20combo=20because=20the=20front=20stays=20flush=20with=20the=20=
fender.=20Both=20have=20performed=20well,=20have=20won=20street=20prepared=20aut=
o=20cross=20with=20teae=20United=20events.=20I=20often=20get=20positive=20commen=
ts=20on=20how=20the=20car=20sits,=20that=20is=20due=20to=20good=20springs=20and.=
proper=20size=20tires.?=20It's=20just=20me=20but=20I=20don't=20feel=20that=20the=
se=20cars=20look=20right=20with=20larger=20wheels..I=20might=20note=20also=20tha=
t=2014=20and=2015=20inch=20tires=20are=20almost=20as=20hard=20to=20find,=20espec=
ially=20if=20you=20want=20a=20good=20speed=20rating..if=20you=20are=20building=20=
a=20resto=20mod=20than=2017s=20are=20available=20with=20a=20good=20selection.=20=
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=0D=0A<div><font=20color=3D"black"=20face=3D"arial"></font>&nbsp;</div>=0D=0A=0D=
=0A<div>15's=20are=20probably=20the=20easiest=20size=20tire=20to=20find,=20as=20=
far=20as=20140-200TW=20high=20performance=20rubber=20goes.&nbsp;195=20to=20225=20=
section=20widths=20are=20very=20well=20supported,=20because=20they=20are=20commo=
n=20to=20lots=20of=20cars=20that=20are=20used=20for=20autocross=20and=20track=20=
use...everything=20from=20NA/NB=20Miatas=20to=20Honda=20CRX/Civic.=20When=20you=20=
get=20to=2017's,=20the=20selection=20of=20tires=20that=20will=20fit=20up=20front=
=20becomes=20limited,=20because=20of=20section=20width=20(I'm=20also=20no=20fan=20=
of=20the=2017"=20look,=20but=20to=20each=20their=20own).=20</div>=0D=0A=0D=0A<di=
v>&nbsp;</div>=0D=0A=0D=0A<div>Have=20you=20run=20the=20staggered=20R888=20set=20=
up=20in=20an=20autocross=20with=20competition=20you=20can=20benchmark=20off?=20O=
r,=20better=20yet,=20were=20you=20able=20to=20do=20back=20to=20back=20testing?&n=
bsp;I'd=20bet=20real=20money=20that=20your=20square=20RA1=20set=20up=20is=20fast=
er,=20even=20though=20the=20R888=20compound=20has=20slightly=20better=20grip=20(=
at=20the=20expense=20of=20accelerated=20wear=20in=20comparison=20to=20the=20RA1)=
.=20Also,=20the=20R888=20wants=20more&nbsp;negative=20camber=20than=20the=20RA1.=
=20So,=20if=20you=20haven't=20(and=20have=20any=20room=20left=20for=20adjustment=
),=20I'd=20dial=20in=20more=20static=20camber,=20particularly=20with=20the=20sma=
ller=20front=20section=20width.=20:)&nbsp;</div>=0D=0A=0D=0A<div=20style=3D"colo=
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<br>=0D=0A</div>=0D=0A=0D=0A<div><br>=0D=0A</div>=0D=0A-----Original=20Message--=
---<br>=0D=0AFrom:=20clydemclaughlin=20via=20Tigers=20&lt;[email-masked]&=
gt;<br>=0D=0ATo:=20tigers=20&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>=0D=0ASent:=20Sat,=20=
Oct=2024,=202015=2011:17=20am<br>=0D=0ASubject:=20[Tigers]=20Tiger=20tires<br>=0D=
=0A<br>=0D=0A=20=0D=0A<div=20id=3D"AOLMsgPart_0_fa5fa01b-7c11-4236-8eaa-6cd0a631=
d848">=20I=20have=20used=20ra1,s=20..205/60r13,=20worked=20great..now=20using=20=
re888=20because=20they=20have=20a=20185/60=20for=20the=20front=20and=20205/60=20=
for=20the=20rear,=20I=20feel=20the=20looks=20better=20with=20this=20combo=20beca=
use=20the=20front=20stays=20flush=20with=20the=20fender.=20Both=20have=20perform=
ed=20well,=20have=20won=20street=20prepared=20auto=20cross=20with=20teae=20Unite=
d=20events.=20I=20often=20get=20positive=20comments=20on=20how=20the=20car=20sit=
s,=20that=20is=20due=20to=20good=20springs=20and.proper=20size=20tires.&nbsp;=20=
It's=20just=20me=20but=20I=20don't=20feel=20that=20these=20cars=20look=20right=20=
with=20larger=20wheels..I=20might=20note=20also=20that=2014=20and=2015=20inch=20=
tires=20are=20almost=20as=20hard=20to=20find,=20especially=20if=20you=20want=20a=
=20good=20speed=20rating..if=20you=20are=20building=20a=20resto=20mod=20than=201=
7s=20are=20available=20with=20a=20good=20selection.=20Clyde<br>=0D=0A<br>=0D=0AS=
ent=20from=20my=20Verizon=204G=20LTE=20Smartphone=20</div>=0D=0A=20=20=0D=0A<div=
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From: Mark Rense via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 13:48:43 -0400

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I have a set of Hoosier R7s (205/60-13) on 7" steel wheels that I used for
track days, these required serious negative camber, about -3 degrees. They
stick really well on the track. They also sucked big time on the street
since they rarely get hot enough plus they are basically racing slicks.

I considered the RA1 pathway but I do a lot of sport driving in SE Ohio, PA
and WVa and we do not stop if it's cold and/or raining. I've seen both
another Tiger and a TR8, both running RA1s, slide off into the mud on cool
damp mornings while my Ziexs stuck. The traction requirements are different
in the rural twisties than it is on the track.

Bugz

On Saturday, October 24, 2015, mwood24020--- via Tigers <
[email-masked]> wrote:

>
> 15's are probably the easiest size tire to find, as far as 140-200TW high
> performance rubber goes. 195 to 225 section widths are very well supporte=
d,
> because they are common to lots of cars that are used for autocross and
> track use...everything from NA/NB Miatas to Honda CRX/Civic. When you get
> to 17's, the selection of tires that will fit up front becomes limited,
> because of section width (I'm also no fan of the 17" look, but to each
> their own).
>
> Have you run the staggered R888 set up in an autocross with competition
> you can benchmark off? Or, better yet, were you able to do back to back
> testing? I'd bet real money that your square RA1 set up is faster, even
> though the R888 compound has slightly better grip (at the expense of
> accelerated wear in comparison to the RA1). Also, the R888 wants
> more negative camber than the RA1. So, if you haven't (and have any room
> left for adjustment), I'd dial in more static camber, particularly with t=
he
> smaller front section width. :)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: clydemclaughlin via Tigers <[email-masked]
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[email-masked]');>>
> To: tigers <[email-masked]
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[email-masked]');>>
> Sent: Sat, Oct 24, 2015 11:17 am
> Subject: [Tigers] Tiger tires
>
> I have used ra1,s ..205/60r13, worked great..now using re888 because they
> have a 185/60 for the front and 205/60 for the rear, I feel the looks
> better with this combo because the front stays flush with the fender. Bot=
h
> have performed well, have won street prepared auto cross with teae United
> events. I often get positive comments on how the car sits, that is due to
> good springs and.proper size tires.  It's just me but I don't feel that
> these cars look right with larger wheels..I might note also that 14 and 1=
5
> inch tires are almost as hard to find, especially if you want a good spee=
d
> rating..if you are building a resto mod than 17s are available with a goo=
d
> selection. Clyde
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
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I have a set of Hoosier R7s (205/60-13) on 7&quot; steel wheels that I used=
 for track days, these required serious negative camber, about -3 degrees. =
They stick really well on the track.=C2=A0<span></span>They also sucked big=
 time on the street since they rarely get hot enough plus they are basicall=
y racing slicks.=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>I considered the RA1 pathway but =
I do a lot of sport driving in SE Ohio, PA and WVa and we do not stop if it=
&#39;s cold and/or=C2=A0raining. I&#39;ve seen both another Tiger and a TR8=
, both running RA1s,=C2=A0slide off into the mud on cool damp mornings whil=
e my Ziexs stuck. The traction requirements are=C2=A0different in the rural=
 twisties than it is on the track.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Bugz=C2=
=A0</div><div><br>On Saturday, October 24, 2015, mwood24020--- via Tigers &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; w=
rote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;borde=
r-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><font color=3D"black" face=3D"arial"></font>=C2=A0</div>

<div>15&#39;s are probably the easiest size tire to find, as far as 140-200=
TW high performance rubber goes.=C2=A0195 to 225 section widths are very we=
ll supported, because they are common to lots of cars that are used for aut=
ocross and track use...everything from NA/NB Miatas to Honda CRX/Civic. Whe=
n you get to 17&#39;s, the selection of tires that will fit up front become=
s limited, because of section width (I&#39;m also no fan of the 17&quot; lo=
ok, but to each their own). </div>

<div>=C2=A0</div>

<div>Have you run the staggered R888 set up in an autocross with competitio=
n you can benchmark off? Or, better yet, were you able to do back to back t=
esting?=C2=A0I&#39;d bet real money that your square RA1 set up is faster, =
even though the R888 compound has slightly better grip (at the expense of a=
ccelerated wear in comparison to the RA1). Also, the R888 wants more=C2=A0n=
egative camber than the RA1. So, if you haven&#39;t (and have any room left=
 for adjustment), I&#39;d dial in more static camber, particularly with the=
 smaller front section width. :)=C2=A0</div>

<div style=3D"color:black;font-family:arial;font-size:10pt"><span style=3D"=
display:inline-block"></span></div>

<div> <br>
</div>

<div><br>
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From: clydemclaughlin via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"javascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;c=
vml&#39;,&#39;[email-masked]&#39;);" target=3D"_blank">tigers@autox.=
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To: tigers &lt;<a href=3D"javascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#39;,&#39;tigers@a=
utox.team.net&#39;);" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
Sent: Sat, Oct 24, 2015 11:17 am<br>
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger tires<br>
<br>
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<div> I have used ra1,s ..205/60r13, worked great..now using re888 because =
they have a 185/60 for the front and 205/60 for the rear, I feel the looks =
better with this combo because the front stays flush with the fender. Both =
have performed well, have won street prepared auto cross with teae United e=
vents. I often get positive comments on how the car sits, that is due to go=
od springs and.proper size tires.=C2=A0 It&#39;s just me but I don&#39;t fe=
el that these cars look right with larger wheels..I might note also that 14=
 and 15 inch tires are almost as hard to find, especially if you want a goo=
d speed rating..if you are building a resto mod than 17s are available with=
 a good selection. Clyde<br>
<br>
Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone </div>
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