Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger oil capacity w/non-stock filter

From: Dave Barakat via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2015 23:20:04 -0700

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Ron=E2=80=A6..thanks=E2=80=A6this is so helpful and I will measure the =
stick and tube against David=E2=80=99s spec. The tube and stick were =
obtained from SS as  =E2=80=9Cdipstick for generator cars=E2=80=9D =
(TM50/TM54), but no other part number given.

> On Oct 4, 2015, at 6:43 PM, Ron Fraser <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> Dave
>     It is very possible you do not have the original dip stick.  I'm =
not sure I have the original in my engine either.
> =20
> Parts List 6601334
> 1224808    Oil Level indicator    NOTE - this is a Rootes part # only
> 6100734    Oil Level indicator    NOTE - this is a Rootes part # for a =
Ford part
> C4JZ-6750-A seems to be the Ford part #
> There is no indication about when this part change occurred.
> =20
> Here is an email from David Franchi - 8/12/2004 with some =
measurements.
> The original dip stick & tube measurements are:
> Stick - 24 7/16" from the tip to the inside top of the "bell" =
cover/dust guard.
> Oil "add" mark 1 1/8" from tip, oil "full" mark 2" from tip.
> --
> Tube - 15 15/16" overall. 14 3/4" from the top of the "stop/seating =
ring" (were it goes into the timing gear cover) to the top of the tube. =
7 5/16" from the top of the tube to the center of the "mounting wing".
> --
> With the stick installed in the tube, the tip of the stick protrudes 9 =
1/2" out of the end of the tube. (measured from the tip of the stick to =
the bottom of the tube "stop/seating ring")
> David Franchi
> Ron Fraser
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dave Barakat [mailto:[email-masked]]=20
>> Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2015 7:09 PM
>> To: [email-masked]
>> Cc: Andy Walker; [email-masked]
>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger oil capacity w/non-stock filter
>>=20
>> Ron=E2=80=A6..I have the stock filter set up (which fills and stays =
full whether the engine is running or not, I think, based on its =
inverted position)) and with 4 quarts my dip stick shows almost full. My =
assumption is that when the engine stops oil sits in the filter and =
doesn=E2=80=99t drain down to the crankcase. If I added a quart I am =
sure the dip stick would show way over full. I am puzzled.
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>> On Oct 4, 2015, at 3:43 PM, Ron Fraser <[email-masked] =
>>>=20
>>> Dave
>>>     I think most of us have this problem and I don't recall where =
the oil line was with the original oil filter and hoses.   I never =
experimented with how much oil the original filter and lines held to see =
if that was part of the problem.
>>> =20
>>> I have a right angle oil filter adaptor on my 260 now.
>>> =20
>>> I marked my dipstick with 4 qt mark after running to fill the filter =
and then letting it settle then a 5 qt mark for the right angle filter.
>>> =20
>>> Ron Fraser
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Dave Barakat [mailto:[email-masked] =
>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2015 5:52 PM
>>>> Cc: Andy Walker; [email-masked] =
>>>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger oil capacity w/non-stock filter
>>>>=20
>>>> I have a little different problem. My 260 almost fills to the =
=E2=80=9Cfull line=E2=80=9D on the dipstick with a little more than 4 =
quarts including the filter. Can=E2=80=99t figure out why it can=E2=80=99t=
 take the full five quarts?
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> .
>>>>> =20
>>=20
>>  <>No virus found in this message.
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class=3D"">Ron=E2=80=A6..thanks=E2=80=A6this is so helpful and I will =
measure the stick and tube against David=E2=80=99s spec. The tube and =
stick were obtained from SS as &nbsp;=E2=80=9Cdipstick for generator =
cars=E2=80=9D (TM50/TM54), but no other part number given.<div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On =
Oct 4, 2015, at 6:43 PM, Ron Fraser &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
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<div class=3D""><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><font color=3D"#0000ff"=
 size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial" class=3D"">Dave</font></span></div>
<div class=3D""><span class=3D"822013001-05102015">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
<font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial" class=3D"">It is very =
possible you do not have the original dip=20
stick.&nbsp; I'm not sure I have the original in my engine=20
either.</font></span></div>
<div class=3D""><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><font color=3D"#0000ff"=
 size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial" class=3D""></font></span>&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D""><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><font color=3D"#0000ff"=
 size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial" class=3D"">Parts=20
List 6601334</font></span></div>
<div class=3D""><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><font color=3D"#0000ff"=
 size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial" class=3D"">1224808&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Oil =
Level indicator&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; NOTE=20
- this is a Rootes part # only</font></span></div>
<div class=3D""><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><font color=3D"#0000ff"=
 size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial" class=3D"">6100734&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Oil =
Level indicator&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; NOTE=20
- this is a Rootes part # for a Ford part</font></span></div>
<div class=3D""><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><font color=3D"#0000ff"=
 size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial" class=3D"">C4JZ-6750-A seems to be the Ford =
part #</font></span></div>
<div class=3D""><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><font color=3D"#0000ff"=
 size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial" class=3D"">There=20
is no indication about when this part change =
occurred.</font></span></div>
<div class=3D""><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><font color=3D"#0000ff"=
 size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial" class=3D""></font></span>&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D""><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><font color=3D"#0000ff"=
 size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial" class=3D"">Here=20
is an email from David Franchi - 8/12/2004 with some=20
measurements.</font></span></div>
<div class=3D""><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><span lang=3D"EN" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">The original dip stick &amp; tube =
measurements are:</div><div class=3D"">Stick - 24 7/16" from the tip to =
the inside top of the "bell" cover/dust=20
guard. </div><div class=3D"">Oil "add" mark 1 1/8" from tip, oil "full" =
mark 2" from tip.</div><div class=3D"">--</div><div class=3D"">Tube - 15 =
15/16" overall. 14 3/4" from the top of the "stop/seating ring"=20
(were it goes into the timing gear cover) to the top of the tube. 7 =
5/16" from=20
the top of the tube to the center of the "mounting wing".</div><div =
class=3D"">--</div><div class=3D"">With the stick installed in the tube, =
the tip of the stick protrudes 9 1/2"=20
out of the end of the tube. (measured from the tip of the stick to the =
bottom of=20
the tube "stop/seating ring") </div><div class=3D"">David =
Franchi</div><div class=3D""><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><font =
color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial" class=3D"">Ron=20
Fraser</font></span></div></span></span></div>
<blockquote style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"" =
type=3D"cite">
  <div class=3D""></div>
  <div dir=3D"ltr" lang=3D"en-us" class=3D"OutlookMessageHeader" =
align=3D"left"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Tahoma" class=3D"">-----Original =
Message-----<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">From:</b> Dave Barakat=20
  [<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">mailto:[email-masked]</a>] <br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Sent:</b> Sunday, October 04, 2015=20
  7:09 PM<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a><br class=3D""><b class=3D"">Cc:</b> =
Andy Walker;=20
  <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a><br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Tiger oil capacity=20
  w/non-stock filter<br class=3D""><br class=3D""></font></div>Ron=E2=80=A6=
..I have the stock filter set up=20
  (which fills and stays full whether the engine is running or not, I =
think,=20
  based on its inverted position)) and with 4 quarts my dip stick shows =
almost=20
  full. My assumption is that when the engine stops oil sits in the =
filter and=20
  doesn=E2=80=99t drain down to the crankcase. If I added a quart I am =
sure the dip=20
  stick would show way over full. I am puzzled.
  <div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>
  <div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>
  <div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
  <div class=3D"">
  <blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">
    <div class=3D"">On Oct 4, 2015, at 3:43 PM, Ron Fraser &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=20
    wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline">
    <div class=3D"">
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    <div class=3D""><span class=3D"322013622-04102015"><font =
color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial" =
class=3D"">Dave</font></span></div>
    <div class=3D""><span class=3D"322013622-04102015">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
<font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial" class=3D"">I think =
most of us have this problem and I don't recall=20
    where the oil line was with the original oil filter and =
hoses.&nbsp;&nbsp; I=20
    never experimented with how much oil the original filter and lines =
held to=20
    see if that was part of the problem.</font></span></div>
    <div class=3D""><span class=3D"322013622-04102015"><font =
color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial" =
class=3D""></font></span>&nbsp;</div>
    <div class=3D""><span class=3D"322013622-04102015"><font =
color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial" class=3D"">I=20
    have a right angle oil filter adaptor on my 260 =
now.</font></span></div>
    <div class=3D""><span class=3D"322013622-04102015"><font =
color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial" =
class=3D""></font></span>&nbsp;</div>
    <div class=3D""><span class=3D"322013622-04102015"><font =
color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial" class=3D"">I=20
    marked my dipstick with 4 qt mark after running to fill the filter =
and=20
    then&nbsp;letting it settle&nbsp;then a 5 qt mark for the right =
angle=20
    filter.</font></span></div>
    <div class=3D""><span class=3D"322013622-04102015"><font =
color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial" =
class=3D""></font></span>&nbsp;</div>
    <div class=3D""><span class=3D"322013622-04102015"><font =
color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial" class=3D"">Ron =
Fraser</font></span></div>
    <blockquote style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir=3D"ltr" type=3D"cite" =
class=3D"">
      <div class=3D""></div>
      <div dir=3D"ltr" lang=3D"en-us" class=3D"OutlookMessageHeader" =
align=3D"left"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Tahoma" class=3D"">-----Original =
Message-----<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">From:</b> Dave Barakat [<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">mailto:[email-masked]</a>]=20
      <br class=3D""><b class=3D"">Sent:</b> Sunday, October 04, 2015 =
5:52 PM<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a><br class=3D""><b class=3D"">Cc:</b>=20=

      Andy Walker; <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a><br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Subject:</b>=20
      Re: [Tigers] Tiger oil capacity w/non-stock filter<br class=3D""><br=
 class=3D""></font></div>I=20
      have a little different problem. My 260 almost fills to the =
=E2=80=9Cfull line=E2=80=9D on=20
      the dipstick with a little more than 4 quarts including the =
filter. Can=E2=80=99t=20
      figure out why it can=E2=80=99t take the full five quarts?=20
      <div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>
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</blockquote></div><br class=3D""></div><a class=3D""></a><div =
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From: Dave Barakat via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2015 22:50:24 -0700

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Ron=E2=80=A6.measured the stick and tube and they measure accurately to =
the specs you provided below. So that would say the stick/tube are =
correct=E2=80=A6still puzzled about full at 4 quarts=20

Ford part
measurements.
cover/dust guard.
10/03/15

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class=3D"">Ron=E2=80=A6.measured the stick and tube and they measure =
accurately to the specs you provided below. So that would say the =
stick/tube are correct=E2=80=A6still puzzled about full at 4 =
quarts&nbsp;<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On =
Oct 4, 2015, at 6:43 PM, Ron Fraser &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
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