Subject: [Tigers] Tiger oil capacity w/non-stock filter

From: Andy Walker via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2015 15:57:22 -0500

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Guys:

I know that the shop manual says five quarts of oil (well, actually 10 U.S.
pints, to be exact) goes into the sump on the 260.  Does that number take
the oil filter size into account?  In other words, would you have to
increase or decrease the amount of oil you put into the motor if you used a
larger or smaller oil filter?  I'm a bit embarrassed to say that I've never
known the answer to this question.  Hopefully, someone out there can send me
to school.

Thanks much,

Andy Walker

Edmond, OK

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class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I know that =
the shop manual says five quarts of oil (well, actually 10 U.S. pints, =
to be exact) goes into the sump on the 260.&nbsp; Does that number take =
the oil filter size into account?&nbsp; In other words, would you have =
to increase or decrease the amount of oil you put into the motor if you =
used a larger or smaller oil filter?&nbsp; I&#8217;m a bit embarrassed =
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Hopefully, someone out there can send me to school.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks =
much,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Andy Walker<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Edmond, OK<o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>
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From: Ron Fraser via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2015 17:21:51 -0400

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Andy
    It states right in the Shop Manual that 10 Pints includes the filter =
-
does not include the # of pints you personally consume.
=20
You could increase or decrease the amount of oil by the change in size =
of
your oil filter but I find that a waste of time.
=20
I have a smaller filter on my 260 engine and I just fill it with 5 qts.  =
The
extra amount in the sump does not concern me.
=20
Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: Tigers [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Andy =
Walker
via Tigers
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2015 4:57 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger oil capacity w/non-stock filter

Guys:

=20

I know that the shop manual says five quarts of oil (well, actually 10 =
U.S.
pints, to be exact) goes into the sump on the 260.  Does that number =
take
the oil filter size into account?  In other words, would you have to
increase or decrease the amount of oil you put into the motor if you =
used a
larger or smaller oil filter?  I'm a bit embarrassed to say that I've =
never
known the answer to this question.  Hopefully, someone out there can =
send me
to school.

=20

Thanks much,

Andy Walker

Edmond, OK

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<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D853361421-04102015>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; It states right in the =
Shop Manual=20
that 10 Pints includes the filter -&nbsp; does not include&nbsp;the # of =
pints=20
you personally&nbsp;consume.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D853361421-04102015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D853361421-04102015>You=20
could increase or decrease the amount of oil by the change in size of =
your oil=20
filter but I find that a waste of time.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D853361421-04102015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D853361421-04102015>I have=20
a smaller filter on my 260 engine and I just fill it with 5 qts.&nbsp; =
The extra=20
amount in the sump does not concern me.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D853361421-04102015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D853361421-04102015>Ron=20
Fraser</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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  face=3DTahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Tigers=20
  [mailto:[email-masked]] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Andy Walker =
via=20
  Tigers<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, October 04, 2015 4:57 PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
  [email-masked]<BR><B>Subject:</B> [Tigers] Tiger oil capacity=20
  w/non-stock filter<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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  <P class=3DMsoNormal>Guys:<o:p></o:p></P>
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  <P class=3DMsoNormal>I know that the shop manual says five quarts of =
oil (well,=20
  actually 10 U.S. pints, to be exact) goes into the sump on the =
260.&nbsp; Does=20
  that number take the oil filter size into account?&nbsp; In other =
words, would=20
  you have to increase or decrease the amount of oil you put into the =
motor if=20
  you used a larger or smaller oil filter?&nbsp; I&#8217;m a bit =
embarrassed to say=20
  that I&#8217;ve never known the answer to this question.&nbsp; =
Hopefully, someone=20
  out there can send me to school.<o:p></o:p></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks much,<o:p></o:p></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal>Andy Walker<o:p></o:p></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal>Edmond, =
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From: Dave Barakat via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2015 14:51:32 -0700

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I have a little different problem. My 260 almost fills to the =E2=80=9Cful=
l line=E2=80=9D on the dipstick with a little more than 4 quarts =
including the filter. Can=E2=80=99t figure out why it can=E2=80=99t take =
the full five quarts?

.
> On Oct 4, 2015, at 2:21 PM, Ron Fraser via Tigers =
<[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> Andy
>     It states right in the Shop Manual that 10 Pints includes the =
filter -  does not include the # of pints you personally consume.
> You could increase or decrease the amount of oil by the change in size =
of your oil filter but I find that a waste of time.
> =20
> I have a smaller filter on my 260 engine and I just fill it with 5 =
qts.  The extra amount in the sump does not concern me.
>> From: Tigers [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Andy =
Walker via Tigers
>> I know that the shop manual says five quarts of oil (well, actually =
10 U.S. pints, to be exact) goes into the sump on the 260.  Does that =
number take the oil filter size into account?  In other words, would you =
have to increase or decrease the amount of oil you put into the motor if =
you used a larger or smaller oil filter?  I=E2=80=99m a bit embarrassed =
to say that I=E2=80=99ve never known the answer to this question.  =
Hopefully, someone out there can send me to school.
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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class=3D"">I have a little different problem. My 260 almost fills to the =
=E2=80=9Cfull line=E2=80=9D on the dipstick with a little more than 4 =
quarts including the filter. Can=E2=80=99t figure out why it can=E2=80=99t=
 take the full five quarts?<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
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class=3D"">On Oct 4, 2015, at 2:21 PM, Ron Fraser via Tigers &lt;<a =
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<div class=3D""><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial" =
class=3D"">Andy</font></div>
<div class=3D""><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; It states right in the Shop Manual=20
that 10 Pints includes the filter -&nbsp; does not include&nbsp;the # of =
pints=20
you personally&nbsp;consume.</font></div>
<div class=3D""><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial" =
class=3D""><span class=3D"853361421-04102015"></span></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D""><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial" =
class=3D"">You=20
could increase or decrease the amount of oil by the change in size of =
your oil=20
filter but I find that a waste of time.</font></div>
<div class=3D""><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial" =
class=3D""><span class=3D"853361421-04102015"></span></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D""><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial" =
class=3D"">I have=20
a smaller filter on my 260 engine and I just fill it with 5 qts.&nbsp; =
The extra=20
amount in the sump does not concern me.</font></div>
<div class=3D""><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial" =
class=3D""><span class=3D"853361421-04102015"></span></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D""><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial" =
class=3D"">Ron=20
Fraser</font></div>
<blockquote style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"" =
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  <div dir=3D"ltr" lang=3D"en-us" class=3D"OutlookMessageHeader" =
align=3D"left"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Tahoma" class=3D"">-----Original =
Message-----<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">From:</b> Tigers=20
  [<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">mailto:[email-masked]</a>] <b class=3D"">On =
Behalf Of </b>Andy Walker via=20
  Tigers<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">Sent:</b> Sunday, October 04, 2015 =
4:57 PM<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b>=20
  <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a><br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Subject:</b> [Tigers] Tiger oil capacity=20
  w/non-stock filter<br class=3D""><br class=3D""></font></div>
  <div class=3D"WordSection1"><div class=3D"MsoNormal">Guys:<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div class=3D"MsoNormal">I know that the =
shop manual says five quarts of oil (well,=20
  actually 10 U.S. pints, to be exact) goes into the sump on the =
260.&nbsp; Does=20
  that number take the oil filter size into account?&nbsp; In other =
words, would=20
  you have to increase or decrease the amount of oil you put into the =
motor if=20
  you used a larger or smaller oil filter?&nbsp; I=E2=80=99m a bit =
embarrassed to say=20
  that I=E2=80=99ve never known the answer to this question.&nbsp; =
Hopefully, someone=20
  out there can send me to school.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks much,<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Andy Walker<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Edmond, OK<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div></blockquote></div>
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From: Ron Fraser via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2015 18:43:57 -0400

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Dave
    I think most of us have this problem and I don't recall where the =
oil
line was with the original oil filter and hoses.   I never experimented =
with
how much oil the original filter and lines held to see if that was part =
of
the problem.
=20
I have a right angle oil filter adaptor on my 260 now.
=20
I marked my dipstick with 4 qt mark after running to fill the filter and
then letting it settle then a 5 qt mark for the right angle filter.
=20
Ron Fraser

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From: Dave Barakat [mailto:[email-masked]]=20
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2015 5:52 PM
To: [email-masked]
Cc: Andy Walker; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger oil capacity w/non-stock filter

I have a little different problem. My 260 almost fills to the "full =
line" on
the dipstick with a little more than 4 quarts including the filter. =
Can't
figure out why it can't take the full five quarts?=20

.

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face=3DArial>Dave</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D322013622-04102015>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2 face=3DArial>I think most of us have this problem and I don't =
recall where=20
the oil line was with the original oil filter and hoses.&nbsp;&nbsp; I =
never=20
experimented with how much oil the original filter and lines held to see =
if that=20
was part of the problem.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D322013622-04102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2=20
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D322013622-04102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial>I have=20
a right angle oil filter adaptor on my 260 now.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D322013622-04102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2=20
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D322013622-04102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial>I=20
marked my dipstick with 4 qt mark after running to fill the filter and=20
then&nbsp;letting it settle&nbsp;then a 5 qt mark for the right angle=20
filter.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D322013622-04102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2=20
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D322013622-04102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial>Ron=20
Fraser</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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  [mailto:[email-masked]] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, October 04, =
2015=20
  5:52 PM<BR><B>To:</B> [email-masked]<BR><B>Cc:</B> Andy Walker;=20
  [email-masked]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Tigers] Tiger oil =
capacity=20
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problem. My=20
  260 almost fills to the &#8220;full line&#8221; on the dipstick with a =
little more than 4=20
  quarts including the filter. Can&#8217;t figure out why it can&#8217;t =
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From: CoolVT--- via Tigers <[email-masked]>
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Sounds like you have a replacement dip stick and it's the wrong  one?   Or=
=20
maybe you're measuring before you start the car and  circulate the new oil=
=20
through the filter?
=20
=20
=20
In a message dated 10/4/2015 6:52:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, =20
[email-masked] writes:

I have a  little different problem. My 260 almost fills to the =E2=80=9Cfu=
ll line=E2=80=9D=20
on the  dipstick with a little more than 4 quarts including the filter. Ca=
n=E2=80=99
t figure  out why it can=E2=80=99t take the full five quarts? =20

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<DIV><STRONG>Sounds like you have a replacement dip stick and it's the wro=
ng=20
one?&nbsp; &nbsp;Or maybe you're measuring before you start the car and=20
circulate the new oil through the filter?</STRONG></DIV>
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=E2=80=9D on the=20
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=80=99t figure=20
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From: Dave Barakat via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2015 16:08:54 -0700

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Ron=E2=80=A6..I have the stock filter set up (which fills and stays full =
whether the engine is running or not, I think, based on its inverted =
position)) and with 4 quarts my dip stick shows almost full. My =
assumption is that when the engine stops oil sits in the filter and =
doesn=E2=80=99t drain down to the crankcase. If I added a quart I am =
sure the dip stick would show way over full. I am puzzled.

> On Oct 4, 2015, at 3:43 PM, Ron Fraser <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> Dave
oil line was with the original oil filter and hoses.   I never =
experimented with how much oil the original filter and lines held to see =
if that was part of the problem.
> I marked my dipstick with 4 qt mark after running to fill the filter =
and then letting it settle then a 5 qt mark for the right angle filter.
>> I have a little different problem. My 260 almost fills to the =E2=80=9C=
full line=E2=80=9D on the dipstick with a little more than 4 quarts =
including the filter. Can=E2=80=99t figure out why it can=E2=80=99t take =
the full five quarts?

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class=3D"">Ron=E2=80=A6..I have the stock filter set up (which fills and =
stays full whether the engine is running or not, I think, based on its =
inverted position)) and with 4 quarts my dip stick shows almost full. My =
assumption is that when the engine stops oil sits in the filter and =
doesn=E2=80=99t drain down to the crankcase. If I added a quart I am =
sure the dip stick would show way over full. I am puzzled.<div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
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class=3D"">On Oct 4, 2015, at 3:43 PM, Ron Fraser &lt;<a =
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<div class=3D""><span class=3D"322013622-04102015">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
<font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial" class=3D"">I think =
most of us have this problem and I don't recall where=20
the oil line was with the original oil filter and hoses.&nbsp;&nbsp; I =
never=20
experimented with how much oil the original filter and lines held to see =
if that=20
was part of the problem.</font></span></div>
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 size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial" class=3D"">I have=20
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marked my dipstick with 4 qt mark after running to fill the filter and=20=

then&nbsp;letting it settle&nbsp;then a 5 qt mark for the right angle=20
filter.</font></span></div>
<div class=3D""><span class=3D"322013622-04102015"><font color=3D"#0000ff"=
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<div class=3D""><span class=3D"322013622-04102015"><font color=3D"#0000ff"=
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  [<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">mailto:[email-masked]</a>] <br class=3D""><b =
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href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a><br class=3D""><b class=3D"">Cc:</b> =
Andy Walker;=20
  <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a><br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Tiger oil capacity=20
  w/non-stock filter<br class=3D""><br class=3D""></font></div>I have a =
little different problem. My=20
  260 almost fills to the =E2=80=9Cfull line=E2=80=9D on the dipstick =
with a little more than 4=20
  quarts including the filter. Can=E2=80=99t figure out why it can=E2=80=99=
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Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2015 21:43:09 -0400

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Dave
    It is very possible you do not have the original dip stick.  I'm not
sure I have the original in my engine either.
=20
Parts List 6601334
1224808    Oil Level indicator    NOTE - this is a Rootes part # only
6100734    Oil Level indicator    NOTE - this is a Rootes part # for a =
Ford
part
C4JZ-6750-A seems to be the Ford part #
There is no indication about when this part change occurred.
=20
Here is an email from David Franchi - 8/12/2004 with some measurements.
The original dip stick & tube measurements are:

Stick - 24 7/16" from the tip to the inside top of the "bell" cover/dust
guard.=20

Oil "add" mark 1 1/8" from tip, oil "full" mark 2" from tip.

--

Tube - 15 15/16" overall. 14 3/4" from the top of the "stop/seating =
ring"
(were it goes into the timing gear cover) to the top of the tube. 7 =
5/16"
from the top of the tube to the center of the "mounting wing".

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With the stick installed in the tube, the tip of the stick protrudes 9 =
1/2"
out of the end of the tube. (measured from the tip of the stick to the
bottom of the tube "stop/seating ring")=20

David Franchi

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Barakat [mailto:[email-masked]]=20
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2015 7:09 PM
To: [email-masked]
Cc: Andy Walker; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger oil capacity w/non-stock filter

Ron...I have the stock filter set up (which fills and stays full whether =
the
engine is running or not, I think, based on its inverted position)) and =
with
4 quarts my dip stick shows almost full. My assumption is that when the
engine stops oil sits in the filter and doesn't drain down to the =
crankcase.
If I added a quart I am sure the dip stick would show way over full. I =
am
puzzled.=20

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Barakat [mailto:[email-masked]]=20
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2015 5:52 PM
To: [email-masked]
Cc: Andy Walker; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger oil capacity w/non-stock filter

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face=3DArial>Dave</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2 face=3DArial>It is very possible you do not have the original =
dip=20
stick.&nbsp; I'm not sure I have the original in my engine=20
either.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2=20
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial>Parts=20
List 6601334</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2=20
face=3DArial>1224808&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Oil Level =
indicator&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; NOTE=20
- this is a Rootes part # only</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2=20
face=3DArial>6100734&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Oil Level =
indicator&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; NOTE=20
- this is a Rootes part # for a Ford part</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2=20
face=3DArial>C4JZ-6750-A seems to be the Ford part #</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial>There=20
is no indication about when this part change =
occurred.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2=20
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial>Here=20
is an email from David Franchi - 8/12/2004 with some=20
measurements.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><SPAN lang=3DEN>
<P>The original dip stick &amp; tube measurements are:</P>
<P>Stick - 24 7/16" from the tip to the inside top of the "bell" =
cover/dust=20
guard. </P>
<P>Oil "add" mark 1 1/8" from tip, oil "full" mark 2" from tip.</P>
<P>--</P>
<P>Tube - 15 15/16" overall. 14 3/4" from the top of the "stop/seating =
ring"=20
(were it goes into the timing gear cover) to the top of the tube. 7 =
5/16" from=20
the top of the tube to the center of the "mounting wing".</P>
<P>--</P>
<P>With the stick installed in the tube, the tip of the stick protrudes =
9 1/2"=20
out of the end of the tube. (measured from the tip of the stick to the =
bottom of=20
the tube "stop/seating ring") </P>
<P>David Franchi</P>
<P><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial>Ron=20
Fraser</FONT></SPAN></P></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
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  <DIV dir=3Dltr lang=3Den-us class=3DOutlookMessageHeader =
align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D2=20
  face=3DTahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Dave Barakat=20
  [mailto:[email-masked]] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, October 04, =
2015=20
  7:09 PM<BR><B>To:</B> [email-masked]<BR><B>Cc:</B> Andy Walker;=20
  [email-masked]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Tigers] Tiger oil =
capacity=20
  w/non-stock filter<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>Ron&#8230;..I have the stock =
filter set up=20
  (which fills and stays full whether the engine is running or not, I =
think,=20
  based on its inverted position)) and with 4 quarts my dip stick shows =
almost=20
  full. My assumption is that when the engine stops oil sits in the =
filter and=20
  doesn&#8217;t drain down to the crankcase. If I added a quart I am =
sure the dip=20
  stick would show way over full. I am puzzled.
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><BR>
  <DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
    <DIV>On Oct 4, 2015, at 3:43 PM, Ron Fraser &lt;<A=20
    href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</A>&gt;=20
    wrote:</DIV><BR class=3DApple-interchange-newline>
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    face=3DArial>Dave</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D322013622-04102015>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
    size=3D2 face=3DArial>I think most of us have this problem and I =
don't recall=20
    where the oil line was with the original oil filter and =
hoses.&nbsp;&nbsp; I=20
    never experimented with how much oil the original filter and lines =
held to=20
    see if that was part of the problem.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D322013622-04102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =

    face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D322013622-04102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial>I=20
    have a right angle oil filter adaptor on my 260 =
now.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D322013622-04102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =

    face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D322013622-04102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial>I=20
    marked my dipstick with 4 qt mark after running to fill the filter =
and=20
    then&nbsp;letting it settle&nbsp;then a 5 qt mark for the right =
angle=20
    filter.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D322013622-04102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =

    face=3DArial>Ron Fraser</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir=3Dltr type=3D"cite">
      <DIV></DIV>
      <DIV dir=3Dltr lang=3Den-us class=3DOutlookMessageHeader =
align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D2=20
      face=3DTahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Dave =
Barakat [<A=20
      =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mailto:[email-masked]</A=
>]=20
      <BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, October 04, 2015 5:52 PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A =

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      Re: [Tigers] Tiger oil capacity w/non-stock =
filter<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>I=20
      have a little different problem. My 260 almost fills to the =
&#8220;full line&#8221; on=20
      the dipstick with a little more than 4 quarts including the =
filter. Can&#8217;t=20
      figure out why it can&#8217;t take the full five quarts?=20
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From: Ron Fraser via Tigers <[email-masked]>
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Dave=20
=20
    It looks like I need to investigate the dip stick part further.
=20
The dip stick and dip stick tube should be a matched pair.
=20
Parts List 6601334
1224808    Oil Level indicator    NOTE - this is a Rootes part # only
6100734    Oil Level indicator    NOTE - this is a Rootes part # for a =
Ford
part
C4JZ-6750-A seems to be the Ford part #
=20
6100489    C2OZ-6754-A    Tube - Oil level indicator
=20
Ford Master Parts Catalog - listed for the 260 engine
C3OZ-6750-B    22.48" shield to full, 23.32" shield to Add, 24.44" =
shield to
tip
C2OZ-6754-A    Tube
=20
This appears to be the correct dip stick and tube combination for the =
Tiger.
=20
Maybe 1224808 is indicated because Rootes had to modify the dip stick.  =
The
long handle had to be bent to clear the hood.
I'm sure this prompted Rootes to have Ford correct this issue with a new
part - possibly the C4JZ-6750-A part - the "J" in this part # indicates =
a
Ford Industrial Group supplied part.
=20
The later Tiger dip stick has the handle loop tighter to the shield with
only a slight bend.
=20
The C3OZ-B and C2OZ-A parts are being reproduced by Scott Drake.
=20
Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Barakat [mailto:[email-masked]]=20
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2015 2:20 AM
To: [email-masked]
Cc: Andy Walker; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger oil capacity w/non-stock filter

Ron...thanks.this is so helpful and I will measure the stick and tube
against David's spec. The tube and stick were obtained from SS as  =
"dipstick
for generator cars" (TM50/TM54), but no other part number given.=20

On Oct 4, 2015, at 6:43 PM, Ron Fraser <[email-masked]> wrote:

Dave

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class=3D875321714-05102015>Dave=20
</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D875321714-05102015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D875321714-05102015>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; It looks like I need to =
investigate=20
the dip stick part further.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D875321714-05102015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D875321714-05102015>The=20
dip stick and dip stick tube should be a matched =
pair.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D875321714-05102015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D875321714-05102015>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial>Parts=20
List 6601334</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2=20
face=3DArial>1224808&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Oil Level =
indicator&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; NOTE=20
- this is a Rootes part # only</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2=20
face=3DArial>6100734&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Oil Level =
indicator&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; NOTE=20
- this is a Rootes part # for a Ford part</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2=20
face=3DArial>C4JZ-6750-A seems to be the Ford part #</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2=20
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><SPAN =
class=3D875321714-05102015><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial>6100489&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
C2OZ-6754-A&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Tube - Oil level=20
indicator</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><SPAN =
class=3D875321714-05102015><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><SPAN =
class=3D875321714-05102015><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial>Ford Master Parts Catalog - listed =
for the 260=20
engine</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><SPAN =
class=3D875321714-05102015><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial>C3OZ-6750-B&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
22.48" shield to=20
full, 23.32" shield to Add, 24.44" shield to =
tip</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><SPAN =
class=3D875321714-05102015><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial>C2OZ-6754-A&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
Tube</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><SPAN =
class=3D875321714-05102015><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><SPAN =
class=3D875321714-05102015><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial>This appears to be the correct dip =
stick and=20
tube combination for the Tiger.</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><SPAN =
class=3D875321714-05102015><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><SPAN =
class=3D875321714-05102015><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial>Maybe 1224808 is indicated because =
Rootes had to=20
modify the dip stick.&nbsp; The long handle had to be bent to clear the=20
hood.</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><SPAN =
class=3D875321714-05102015><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial>I'm sure this prompted Rootes to =
have Ford=20
correct this issue with a new part - possibly the C4JZ-6750-A part - the =
"J" in=20
this part # indicates a Ford Industrial Group supplied=20
part.</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><SPAN =
class=3D875321714-05102015><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><SPAN =
class=3D875321714-05102015><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial>The later Tiger dip stick has the =
handle loop=20
tighter to the&nbsp;shield with only a slight =
bend.</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><SPAN =
class=3D875321714-05102015><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><SPAN =
class=3D875321714-05102015><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial>The C3OZ-B and C2OZ-A parts are =
being reproduced=20
by Scott Drake.</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><SPAN =
class=3D875321714-05102015><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><SPAN =
class=3D875321714-05102015><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial>Ron=20
Fraser</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV></SPAN></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir=3Dltr>
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  <DIV dir=3Dltr lang=3Den-us class=3DOutlookMessageHeader =
align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D2=20
  face=3DTahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Dave Barakat=20
  [mailto:[email-masked]] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, October 05, =
2015=20
  2:20 AM<BR><B>To:</B> [email-masked]<BR><B>Cc:</B> Andy Walker;=20
  [email-masked]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Tigers] Tiger oil =
capacity=20
  w/non-stock filter<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>Ron&#8230;..thanks&#8230;this =
is so helpful and I=20
  will measure the stick and tube against David&#8217;s spec. The tube =
and stick were=20
  obtained from SS as &nbsp;&#8220;dipstick for generator cars&#8221; =
(TM50/TM54), but no=20
  other part number given.
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><BR>
  <DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
    <DIV>On Oct 4, 2015, at 6:43 PM, Ron Fraser &lt;<A=20
    href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</A>&gt;=20
    wrote:</DIV><BR class=3DApple-interchange-newline>
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    <DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =

    size=3D2 face=3DArial>It is very possible you do not have the =
original dip=20

    face=3DArial>Parts List 6601334</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =

    face=3DArial>1224808&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Oil Level =
indicator&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
    NOTE - this is a Rootes part # only</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =

    face=3DArial>6100734&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Oil Level =
indicator&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
    NOTE - this is a Rootes part # for a Ford part</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =

    face=3DArial>C4JZ-6750-A seems to be the Ford part =
#</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =

    face=3DArial>There is no indication about when this part change=20
    occurred.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =

    face=3DArial>Here is an email from David Franchi - 8/12/2004 with =
some=20
    measurements.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><SPAN lang=3DEN>
    <DIV>The original dip stick &amp; tube measurements are:</DIV>
    <DIV>Stick - 24 7/16" from the tip to the inside top of the "bell"=20
    cover/dust guard. </DIV>
    <DIV>Oil "add" mark 1 1/8" from tip, oil "full" mark 2" from =
tip.</DIV>
    <DIV>--</DIV>
    <DIV>Tube - 15 15/16" overall. 14 3/4" from the top of the =
"stop/seating=20
    ring" (were it goes into the timing gear cover) to the top of the =
tube. 7=20
    5/16" from the top of the tube to the center of the "mounting =
wing".</DIV>
    <DIV>--</DIV>
    <DIV>With the stick installed in the tube, the tip of the stick =
protrudes 9=20
    1/2" out of the end of the tube. (measured from the tip of the stick =
to the=20
    bottom of the tube "stop/seating ring") </DIV>
    <DIV>David Franchi</DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =

    face=3DArial>Ron Fraser</FONT></SPAN></DIV></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
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From: awtiger--- via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 10:54:12 -0400

Ron:

I have the same problem that all these other guys are having; with five quarts in the sump, my dipstick is showing way overfull, even after I have run the engine and circulated the oil.  My 260 has the reproduction dipstick and tube also.  All this being said, though, I guess the bottom line is that the 260 sump was designed to hold five quarts of oil and no matter what our dipsticks may read, we should be putting five quarts in them, correct?

Andy 

----  Ron Fraser <[email-masked]> wrote: 
> 6100734    Oil Level indicator    NOTE - this is a Rootes part # for a Ford
> part
> C3OZ-6750-B    22.48" shield to full, 23.32" shield to Add, 24.44" shield to
> tip
> C2OZ-6754-A    Tube
>  
> This appears to be the correct dip stick and tube combination for the Tiger.
>  
> Maybe 1224808 is indicated because Rootes had to modify the dip stick.  The
> part - possibly the C4JZ-6750-A part - the "J" in this part # indicates a
> From: Dave Barakat [mailto:[email-masked]] 
> against David's spec. The tube and stick were obtained from SS as  "dipstick
> for generator cars" (TM50/TM54), but no other part number given. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 6100734    Oil Level indicator    NOTE - this is a Rootes part # for a Ford
> part
> guard. 
> Tube - 15 15/16" overall. 14 3/4" from the top of the "stop/seating ring"
> (were it goes into the timing gear cover) to the top of the tube. 7 5/16"
> With the stick installed in the tube, the tip of the stick protrudes 9 1/2"
> bottom of the tube "stop/seating ring") 
> David Franchi
> Ron Fraser
> 
> 
> 

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nt-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif=
; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, =
255, 255);">Ron ;</div><div style=3D"width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-=
family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 12=
5); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><=
div style=3D"width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate =
Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial;=
 background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">As usual you are a veritable librar=
y of facts and dimensions of almost everything Tiger. Thanks for being so d=
iligent.&nbsp;</div><div style=3D"width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-fam=
ily: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);=
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"font-size: initial; text-align: initial; line-height: initial;"><br></span=
></div><div style=3D"width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri,=
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initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style=3D"font-size: i=
nitial; text-align: initial; line-height: initial;">Do you know if the dips=
tick/tube =E2=80=8Esets are the same for 289 blocks? &nbsp;Would the 289 ha=
ve a different timing cover that would account for the shorter stick?</span=
></div><div style=3D"width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri,=
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nitial; text-align: initial; line-height: initial;"><br></span></div><div s=
tyle=3D"width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro',=
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ground-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style=3D"font-size: initial; text-=
align: initial; line-height: initial;">My car came to me with a 289, and th=
e dipstick/tube combination are considerably different from the dimensions =
you have for the 260. I have felt for a long time that my engine has a non-=
standard stick.</span></div><div style=3D"width: 100%; font-size: initial; =
font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 7=
3, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span =
style=3D"font-size: initial; text-align: initial; line-height: initial;"><b=
r></span></div><div style=3D"width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: =
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-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style=3D"font=
-size: initial; line-height: initial; text-align: initial;">My tube is only=
 10" long, and the dipstick is correspondingly shorter at 19 1/4". But taki=
ng the corresponding dimensions from the tube stop/seating ring, the "full"=
 mark is out on my stick by roughly 1/2" =E2=80=8E( the oil level is 1/2" m=
ore oil in my crank case.)</span></div><div style=3D"width: 100%; font-size=
: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color=
: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 25=
5);"><span style=3D"font-size: initial; text-align: initial; line-height: i=
nitial;"><br></span></div><div style=3D"width: 100%; font-size: initial; fo=
nt-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73,=
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yle=3D"font-size: initial; text-align: initial; line-height: initial;">Not =
enough for me to worry about,=E2=80=8E but it would be nice to know if the =
289 specs that level.</span></div><div style=3D"width: 100%; font-size: ini=
tial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb=
(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">=
<span style=3D"font-size: initial; text-align: initial; line-height: initia=
l;"><br></span></div><div style=3D"width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-fa=
mily: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125)=
; text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style=
=3D"font-size: initial; text-align: initial; line-height: initial;">Thanks =
Ron,&nbsp;</span></div><div style=3D"width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-=
family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 12=
5); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style=
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g: 3pt 0in 0in; font-family: Tahoma, 'BB Alpha Sans', 'Slate Pro'; font-siz=
e: 10pt;">  <div><b>From: </b>Ron Fraser via Tigers</div><div><b>Sent: </b>=
Monday, October 5, 2015 12:10 PM</div><div><b>To: </b>'Dave Barakat'</div><=
div><b>Reply To: </b>[email-masked]</div><div><b>Cc: </b>tigers@Autox=
.Team.Net</div><div><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Tigers] Tiger oil capacity w/non-s=
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<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span class=3D"87532=
1714-05102015">Dave=20
</span></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span class=3D"87532=
1714-05102015"></span></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span class=3D"87532=
1714-05102015">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; It looks like I need to investigate=20
the dip stick part further.</span></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span class=3D"87532=
1714-05102015"></span></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span class=3D"87532=
1714-05102015">The=20
dip stick and dip stick tube should be a matched pair.</span></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span class=3D"87532=
1714-05102015"></span></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span class=3D"875321714-05102015">
<div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" =
face=3D"Arial">Parts=20
List 6601334</font></span></div>
<div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" =
face=3D"Arial">1224808&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Oil Level indicator&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp; NOTE=20
- this is a Rootes part # only</font></span></div>
<div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" =
face=3D"Arial">6100734&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Oil Level indicator&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp; NOTE=20
- this is a Rootes part # for a Ford part</font></span></div>
<div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" =
face=3D"Arial">C4JZ-6750-A seems to be the Ford part #</font></span></div>
<div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" =
face=3D"Arial"></font></span>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><span class=3D"875321714-05102015">=
<font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">6100489&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
C2OZ-6754-A&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Tube - Oil level=20
indicator</font></span></span></div>
<div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><span class=3D"875321714-05102015">=
<font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font></span></span>&nbs=
p;</div>
<div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><span class=3D"875321714-05102015">=
<font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Ford Master Parts Catalog=
 - listed for the 260=20
engine</font></span></span></div>
<div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><span class=3D"875321714-05102015">=
<font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">C3OZ-6750-B&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp; 22.48" shield to=20
full, 23.32" shield to Add, 24.44" shield to tip</font></span></span></div>
<div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><span class=3D"875321714-05102015">=
<font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">C2OZ-6754-A&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;=20
Tube</font></span></span></div>
<div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><span class=3D"875321714-05102015">=
<font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font></span></span>&nbs=
p;</div>
<div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><span class=3D"875321714-05102015">=
<font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">This appears to be the co=
rrect dip stick and=20
tube combination for the Tiger.</font></span></span></div>
<div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><span class=3D"875321714-05102015">=
<font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font></span></span>&nbs=
p;</div>
<div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><span class=3D"875321714-05102015">=
<font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Maybe 1224808 is indicate=
d because Rootes had to=20
modify the dip stick.&nbsp; The long handle had to be bent to clear the=20
hood.</font></span></span></div>
<div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><span class=3D"875321714-05102015">=
<font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">I'm sure this prompted Ro=
otes to have Ford=20
correct this issue with a new part - possibly the C4JZ-6750-A part - the "J=
" in=20
this part # indicates a Ford Industrial Group supplied=20
part.</font></span></span></div>
<div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><span class=3D"875321714-05102015">=
<font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font></span></span>&nbs=
p;</div>
<div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><span class=3D"875321714-05102015">=
<font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">The later Tiger dip stick=
 has the handle loop=20
tighter to the&nbsp;shield with only a slight bend.</font></span></span></d=
iv>
<div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><span class=3D"875321714-05102015">=
<font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font></span></span>&nbs=
p;</div>
<div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><span class=3D"875321714-05102015">=
<font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">The C3OZ-B and C2OZ-A par=
ts are being reproduced=20
by Scott Drake.</font></span></span></div>
<div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><span class=3D"875321714-05102015">=
<font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"></font></span></span>&nbs=
p;=E2=80=8E</div>
<div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><span class=3D"875321714-05102015">=
<font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">Ron=20
Fraser</font></span></span></div></span></div>
<blockquote style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir=3D"ltr">
  <div></div>
  <div dir=3D"ltr" lang=3D"en-us" class=3D"OutlookMessageHeader" align=3D"l=
eft"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Tahoma">-----Original Message-----<br><b>From=
:</b> Dave Barakat=20
  [mailto:[email-masked]] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 05, 201=
5=20
  2:20 AM<br><b>To:</b> [email-masked]<br><b>Cc:</b> Andy Walker;=20
  [email-masked]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Tiger oil capacity=20
  w/non-stock filter<br><br></font></div>Ron=E2=80=A6..thanks=E2=80=A6this =
is so helpful and I=20
  will measure the stick and tube against David=E2=80=99s spec. The tube an=
d stick were=20
  obtained from SS as &nbsp;=E2=80=9Cdipstick for generator cars=E2=80=9D (=
TM50/TM54), but no=20
  other part number given.
  <div><br></div>
  <div><br></div>
  <div><br></div>
  <div><br>
  <div>
  <blockquote type=3D"cite">
    <div>On Oct 4, 2015, at 6:43 PM, Ron Fraser &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rfras=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=20
    wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline">
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    <div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D=
"2" face=3D"Arial">Dave</font></span></div>
    <div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <font color=
=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial">It is very possible you do not have =
the original dip=20
    stick.&nbsp; I'm not sure I have the original in my engine=20
    either.</font></span></div>
    <div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D=
"2" face=3D"Arial"></font></span>&nbsp;</div>
    <div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D=
"2" face=3D"Arial">Parts List 6601334</font></span></div>
    <div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D=
"2" face=3D"Arial">1224808&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Oil Level indicator&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;=20
    NOTE - this is a Rootes part # only</font></span></div>
    <div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D=
"2" face=3D"Arial">6100734&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Oil Level indicator&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;=20
    NOTE - this is a Rootes part # for a Ford part</font></span></div>
    <div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D=
"2" face=3D"Arial">C4JZ-6750-A seems to be the Ford part #</font></span></d=
iv>
    <div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D=
"2" face=3D"Arial">There is no indication about when this part change=20
    occurred.</font></span></div>
    <div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D=
"2" face=3D"Arial"></font></span>&nbsp;</div>
    <div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D=
"2" face=3D"Arial">Here is an email from David Franchi - 8/12/2004 with som=
e=20
    measurements.</font></span></div>
    <div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><span lang=3D"EN">
    <div>The original dip stick &amp; tube measurements are:</div>
    <div>Stick - 24 7/16" from the tip to the inside top of the "bell"=20
    cover/dust guard. </div>
    <div>Oil "add" mark 1 1/8" from tip, oil "full" mark 2" from tip.</div>
    <div>--</div>
    <div>Tube - 15 15/16" overall. 14 3/4" from the top of the "stop/seatin=
g=20
    ring" (were it goes into the timing gear cover) to the top of the tube.=
 7=20
    5/16" from the top of the tube to the center of the "mounting wing".</d=
iv>
    <div>--</div>
    <div>With the stick installed in the tube, the tip of the stick protrud=
es 9=20
    1/2" out of the end of the tube. (measured from the tip of the stick to=
 the=20
    bottom of the tube "stop/seating ring") </div>
    <div>David Franchi</div>
    <div><span class=3D"822013001-05102015"><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D=
"2" face=3D"Arial">Ron Fraser</font></span></div></span></span></div>
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From: Ron Fraser via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 12:33:46 -0400

Andy
	Yes - if your 260 engine has the stock oil pan you should put 5 qts
of oil in no matter what filter you are using.

You have to understand that the dip stick reads wrong; you need to
understand where the 5 qt level is now on the dip stick and where the ADD
level is located.

This all got me to thinking - what was the original Ford recommendation for
oil capacity in the 60's?

I just found 1 reference that indicates the following:
63 - 64 260	4 qts
63 - 65 289 4 qts
66 - 67 289 5 qts

Anyone else have this information for the Ford 260 and 289 engines in the
States?

Maybe we are overfilling the sump with 5 qts and that extra qt was for the
oil lines.

To me the difference between the 65 and 66 289 indicates the oil pan shape
changed for 1966.
Very Interesting!!!

I just located another reference that indicates all 260 & 289 engines 4 qts
- add 1 qt if new filter.
Back to 5 qts with filter change.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]] 
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2015 10:54 AM
To: [email-masked]; 'Dave Barakat'
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Tiger oil capacity w/non-stock filter

Ron:

I have the same problem that all these other guys are having; with five
quarts in the sump, my dipstick is showing way overfull, even after I have
run the engine and circulated the oil.  My 260 has the reproduction dipstick
and tube also.  All this being said, though, I guess the bottom line is that
the 260 sump was designed to hold five quarts of oil and no matter what our
dipsticks may read, we should be putting five quarts in them, correct?

Andy 

----  Ron Fraser <[email-masked]> wrote: 
> Maybe 1224808 is indicated because Rootes had to modify the dip stick.  
> The long handle had to be bent to clear the hood. I'm sure this 
> prompted Rootes to have Ford correct this issue with a new part - 
> possibly the C4JZ-6750-A part - the "J" in this part # indicates a 
> The later Tiger dip stick has the handle loop tighter to the shield 
> with only a slight bend.
>  
> against David's spec. The tube and stick were obtained from SS as  
> "dipstick for generator cars" (TM50/TM54), but no other part number 
> given.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>     It is very possible you do not have the original dip stick.  I'm 
> not sure I have the original in my engine either.
>  
> Parts List 6601334
> Stick - 24 7/16" from the tip to the inside top of the "bell" 
> cover/dust guard. Oil "add" mark 1 1/8" from tip, oil "full" mark 2" 
> from tip.
> --
> Tube - 15 15/16" overall. 14 3/4" from the top of the "stop/seating 
> ring" (were it goes into the timing gear cover) to the top of the 
> tube. 7 5/16" from the top of the tube to the center of the "mounting 
> wing".
> --

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From: Ron Fraser via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 12:40:24 -0400

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Dave
    Ford used the same combination for the engines with generator and a
different set for engines with alternator.
=20
It sounds like you have an alternator set of parts.
=20
Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Munroe [mailto:[email-masked]]=20
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2015 11:56 AM
To: Ron Fraser via Tigers; 'Dave Barakat'
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger oil capacity w/non-stock filter

Ron ;

As usual you are a veritable library of facts and dimensions of almost
everything Tiger. Thanks for being so diligent.=20

Do you know if the dipstick/tube =FDsets are the same for 289 blocks?  =
Would
the 289 have a different timing cover that would account for the shorter
stick?

My car came to me with a 289, and the dipstick/tube combination are
considerably different from the dimensions you have for the 260. I have =
felt
for a long time that my engine has a non-standard stick.

My tube is only 10" long, and the dipstick is correspondingly shorter at =
19
1/4". But taking the corresponding dimensions from the tube stop/seating
ring, the "full" mark is out on my stick by roughly 1/2" =FD( the oil =
level is
1/2" more oil in my crank case.)

Not enough for me to worry about,=FD but it would be nice to know if the =
289
specs that level.

Thanks Ron,=20

Dave

Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Bell network.

From: Ron Fraser via Tigers
Sent: Monday, October 5, 2015 12:10 PM
To: 'Dave Barakat'
Reply To: [email-masked]
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger oil capacity w/non-stock filter

Dave=20
=20

Parts List 6601334
 =FD
Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Barakat [mailto:[email-masked]]=20
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2015 2:20 AM
To: [email-masked]
Cc: Andy Walker; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger oil capacity w/non-stock filter

Ron=85..thanks=85this is so helpful and I will measure the stick and =
tube
against David=92s spec. The tube and stick were obtained from SS as  =
=93dipstick
for generator cars=94 (TM50/TM54), but no other part number given.=20

Dave

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<DIV><SPAN class=3D671343716-05102015><FONT color=3D#1f497d=20
face=3DCalibri>Dave</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D671343716-05102015>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT =
color=3D#1f497d=20
face=3DCalibri>Ford used the same combination for the engines with =
generator and a=20
different set for engines with alternator.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D671343716-05102015><FONT color=3D#1f497d=20
face=3DCalibri></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D671343716-05102015><FONT color=3D#1f497d =
face=3DCalibri>It sounds=20
like you have an alternator set of parts.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D671343716-05102015><FONT color=3D#1f497d=20
face=3DCalibri></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D671343716-05102015><FONT color=3D#1f497d =
face=3DCalibri>Ron=20
Fraser</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir=3Dltr>
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr lang=3Den-us class=3DOutlookMessageHeader =
align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D2=20
  face=3DTahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Dave Munroe=20
  [mailto:[email-masked]] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, October 05, 2015 =
11:56=20
  AM<BR><B>To:</B> Ron Fraser via Tigers; 'Dave Barakat'<BR><B>Cc:</B>=20
  [email-masked]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Tigers] Tiger oil =
capacity=20
  w/non-stock filter<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); WIDTH: 100%; FONT-FAMILY: =
Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">Ron =

  ;</DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); WIDTH: 100%; FONT-FAMILY: =
Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; COLOR: =
rgb(31,73,125)"><BR></DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); WIDTH: 100%; FONT-FAMILY: =
Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125)">As=20
  usual you are a veritable library of facts and dimensions of almost =
everything=20
  Tiger. Thanks for being so diligent.&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); WIDTH: 100%; FONT-FAMILY: =
Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; COLOR: =
rgb(31,73,125)"><SPAN><BR></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); WIDTH: 100%; FONT-FAMILY: =
Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; COLOR: =
rgb(31,73,125)"><SPAN>Do=20
  you know if the dipstick/tube =FDsets are the same for 289 blocks? =
&nbsp;Would=20
  the 289 have a different timing cover that would account for the =
shorter=20
  stick?</SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); WIDTH: 100%; FONT-FAMILY: =
Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; COLOR: =
rgb(31,73,125)"><SPAN><BR></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); WIDTH: 100%; FONT-FAMILY: =
Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; COLOR: =
rgb(31,73,125)"><SPAN>My=20
  car came to me with a 289, and the dipstick/tube combination are =
considerably=20
  different from the dimensions you have for the 260. I have felt for a =
long=20
  time that my engine has a non-standard stick.</SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); WIDTH: 100%; FONT-FAMILY: =
Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; COLOR: =
rgb(31,73,125)"><SPAN><BR></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); WIDTH: 100%; FONT-FAMILY: =
Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; COLOR: =
rgb(31,73,125)"><SPAN>My=20
  tube is only 10" long, and the dipstick is correspondingly shorter at =
19 1/4".=20
  But taking the corresponding dimensions from the tube stop/seating =
ring, the=20
  "full" mark is out on my stick by roughly 1/2" =FD( the oil level is =
1/2" more=20
  oil in my crank case.)</SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); WIDTH: 100%; FONT-FAMILY: =
Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; COLOR: =
rgb(31,73,125)"><SPAN><BR></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); WIDTH: 100%; FONT-FAMILY: =
Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; COLOR: =
rgb(31,73,125)"><SPAN>Not=20
  enough for me to worry about,=FD but it would be nice to know if the =
289 specs=20
  that level.</SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); WIDTH: 100%; FONT-FAMILY: =
Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; COLOR: =
rgb(31,73,125)"><SPAN><BR></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); WIDTH: 100%; FONT-FAMILY: =
Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; COLOR: =
rgb(31,73,125)"><SPAN>Thanks=20
  Ron,&nbsp;</SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); WIDTH: 100%; FONT-FAMILY: =
Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; COLOR: =
rgb(31,73,125)"><SPAN><BR></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); WIDTH: 100%; FONT-FAMILY: =
Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; COLOR: =
rgb(31,73,125)"><SPAN>Dave</SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); WIDTH: 100%; FONT-FAMILY: =
Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; COLOR: =
rgb(31,73,125)"><BR></DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, =
'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; COLOR: =
rgb(31,73,125)">Sent&nbsp;from&nbsp;my&nbsp;BlackBerry&nbsp;10&nbsp;smart=
phone&nbsp;on&nbsp;the&nbsp;Bell&nbsp;network.</DIV>
  <TABLE style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; BORDER-SPACING: 0px" =
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        <DIV=20
        style=3D"BORDER-BOTTOM-STYLE: none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; =
BORDER-RIGHT-STYLE: none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; =
FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, 'BB Alpha Sans', 'Slate Pro'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; =
BORDER-LEFT-STYLE: none; BORDER-TOP: rgb(181,196,223) 1pt solid; =
PADDING-TOP: 3pt">
        <DIV><B>From: </B>Ron Fraser via Tigers</DIV>
        <DIV><B>Sent: </B>Monday, October 5, 2015 12:10 PM</DIV>
        <DIV><B>To: </B>'Dave Barakat'</DIV>
        <DIV><B>Reply To: </B>[email-masked]</DIV>
        <DIV><B>Cc: </B>[email-masked]</DIV>
        <DIV><B>Subject: </B>Re: [Tigers] Tiger oil capacity w/non-stock =

        filter</DIV></DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BORDER-BOTTOM-STYLE: none; BORDER-RIGHT-STYLE: none; =
BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); BORDER-LEFT-STYLE: none; BORDER-TOP: =
rgb(186,188,209) 1pt solid"></DIV><BR>
  <DIV id=3D_originalContent>
  <META name=3DGENERATOR content=3D"MSHTML 8.00.6001.23588">
  <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D875321714-05102015>Dave=20
  </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
  class=3D875321714-05102015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
  class=3D875321714-05102015>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; It looks like I need to=20
  investigate the dip stick part further.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
  class=3D875321714-05102015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D875321714-05102015>The=20
  dip stick and dip stick tube should be a matched =
pair.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
  class=3D875321714-05102015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D875321714-05102015>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2=20
  face=3DArial>Parts List 6601334</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2=20
  face=3DArial>1224808&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Oil Level =
indicator&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  NOTE - this is a Rootes part # only</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2=20
  face=3DArial>6100734&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Oil Level =
indicator&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  NOTE - this is a Rootes part # for a Ford part</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2=20
  face=3DArial>C4JZ-6750-A seems to be the Ford part =
#</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2=20
  face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><SPAN =
class=3D875321714-05102015><FONT=20
  color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial>6100489&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  C2OZ-6754-A&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Tube - Oil level=20
  indicator</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><SPAN =
class=3D875321714-05102015><FONT=20
  color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><SPAN =
class=3D875321714-05102015><FONT=20
  color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial>Ford Master Parts Catalog - =
listed for the 260=20
  engine</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><SPAN =
class=3D875321714-05102015><FONT=20
  color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial>C3OZ-6750-B&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
22.48" shield to=20
  full, 23.32" shield to Add, 24.44" shield to =
tip</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><SPAN =
class=3D875321714-05102015><FONT=20
  color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial>C2OZ-6754-A&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  Tube</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><SPAN =
class=3D875321714-05102015><FONT=20
  color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><SPAN =
class=3D875321714-05102015><FONT=20
  color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial>This appears to be the correct =
dip stick and=20
  tube combination for the Tiger.</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><SPAN =
class=3D875321714-05102015><FONT=20
  color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><SPAN =
class=3D875321714-05102015><FONT=20
  color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial>Maybe 1224808 is indicated =
because Rootes had=20
  to modify the dip stick.&nbsp; The long handle had to be bent to clear =
the=20
  hood.</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><SPAN =
class=3D875321714-05102015><FONT=20
  color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial>I'm sure this prompted Rootes to =
have Ford=20
  correct this issue with a new part - possibly the C4JZ-6750-A part - =
the "J"=20
  in this part # indicates a Ford Industrial Group supplied=20
  part.</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><SPAN =
class=3D875321714-05102015><FONT=20
  color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><SPAN =
class=3D875321714-05102015><FONT=20
  color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial>The later Tiger dip stick has =
the handle loop=20
  tighter to the&nbsp;shield with only a slight =
bend.</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><SPAN =
class=3D875321714-05102015><FONT=20
  color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><SPAN =
class=3D875321714-05102015><FONT=20
  color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial>The C3OZ-B and C2OZ-A parts are =
being=20
  reproduced by Scott Drake.</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><SPAN =
class=3D875321714-05102015><FONT=20
  color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN></SPAN>&nbsp;=FD</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><SPAN =
class=3D875321714-05102015><FONT=20
  color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial>Ron=20
  Fraser</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV></SPAN></DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir=3Dltr>
    <DIV></DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr lang=3Den-us class=3DOutlookMessageHeader =
align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D2=20
    face=3DTahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Dave =
Barakat=20
    [mailto:[email-masked]] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, October =
05, 2015=20
    2:20 AM<BR><B>To:</B> [email-masked]<BR><B>Cc:</B> Andy =
Walker;=20
    [email-masked]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Tigers] Tiger oil =
capacity=20
    w/non-stock filter<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>Ron=85..thanks=85this is so =
helpful and I=20
    will measure the stick and tube against David=92s spec. The tube and =
stick=20
    were obtained from SS as &nbsp;=93dipstick for generator cars=94 =
(TM50/TM54),=20
    but no other part number given.=20
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><BR>
    <DIV>
    <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
      <DIV>On Oct 4, 2015, at 6:43 PM, Ron Fraser &lt;<A=20
      href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</A>&gt;=20
      wrote:</DIV><BR class=3DApple-interchange-newline>
      <DIV>
      <META name=3DGENERATOR content=3D"MSHTML 8.00.6001.23588">
      <DIV=20
      style=3D"WORD-WRAP: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; =
-webkit-line-break: after-white-space">
      <DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2=20
      face=3DArial>Dave</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
      size=3D2 face=3DArial>It is very possible you do not have the =
original dip=20
      stick.&nbsp; I'm not sure I have the original in my engine=20
      either.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2=20
      face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2=20
      face=3DArial>Parts List 6601334</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2=20
      face=3DArial>1224808&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Oil Level =
indicator&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
      NOTE - this is a Rootes part # only</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2=20
      face=3DArial>6100734&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Oil Level =
indicator&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
      NOTE - this is a Rootes part # for a Ford part</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2=20
      face=3DArial>C4JZ-6750-A seems to be the Ford part =
#</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2=20
      face=3DArial>There is no indication about when this part change=20
      occurred.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2=20
      face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2=20
      face=3DArial>Here is an email from David Franchi - 8/12/2004 with =
some=20
      measurements.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><SPAN lang=3DEN>
      <DIV>The original dip stick &amp; tube measurements are:</DIV>
      <DIV>Stick - 24 7/16" from the tip to the inside top of the "bell" =

      cover/dust guard. </DIV>
protrudes=20
      9 1/2" out of the end of the tube. (measured from the tip of the =
stick to=20
      the bottom of the tube "stop/seating ring") </DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2=20
/DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><!--end of _originalContent --></DIV><A></A>

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From: Dave Barakat via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2015 10:31:21 -0700

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Ron=E2=80=A6.my data source also indicated 4 qts + 1 qt for the filter =
for both motors (260 & 289)

> On Oct 5, 2015, at 9:33 AM, Ron Fraser <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> Andy
> 	Yes - if your 260 engine has the stock oil pan you should put 5 =
qts
> understand where the 5 qt level is now on the dip stick and where the =
ADD
> level is located.
>=20
> This all got me to thinking - what was the original Ford =
recommendation for
> Anyone else have this information for the Ford 260 and 289 engines in =
the
> States?
>=20
> Maybe we are overfilling the sump with 5 qts and that extra qt was for =
the
> oil lines.
>=20
> To me the difference between the 65 and 66 289 indicates the oil pan =
shape
> changed for 1966.
> Very Interesting!!!
>=20
> I just located another reference that indicates all 260 & 289 engines =
4 qts
> From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]=20
> I have the same problem that all these other guys are having; with =
five
> quarts in the sump, my dipstick is showing way overfull, even after I =
have
> run the engine and circulated the oil.  My 260 has the reproduction =
dipstick
> and tube also.  All this being said, though, I guess the bottom line =
is that
> the 260 sump was designed to hold five quarts of oil and no matter =
what our
> Andy=20
> ----  Ron Fraser <[email-masked]> wrote:=20
>> Dave
>>=20
>> 6100734    Oil Level indicator    NOTE - this is a Rootes part # for =
a
>> C3OZ-6750-B    22.48" shield to full, 23.32" shield to Add, 24.44" =
shield
> to
>> tip
>> C2OZ-6754-A    Tube
>>=20
>> This appears to be the correct dip stick and tube combination for the=20=

>> Tiger.
>>=20
>> Maybe 1224808 is indicated because Rootes had to modify the dip =
stick. =20
>> The long handle had to be bent to clear the hood. I'm sure this=20
>> prompted Rootes to have Ford correct this issue with a new part -=20
>> possibly the C4JZ-6750-A part - the "J" in this part # indicates a=20
>> The later Tiger dip stick has the handle loop tighter to the shield=20=

>> Ron...thanks.this is so helpful and I will measure the stick and tube=20=

>> against David's spec. The tube and stick were obtained from SS as =20
>> "dipstick for generator cars" (TM50/TM54), but no other part number=20=

>>    It is very possible you do not have the original dip stick.  I'm=20=

>> 6100734    Oil Level indicator    NOTE - this is a Rootes part # for =
a
>> Here is an email from David Franchi - 8/12/2004 with some=20
>> measurements.
>>=20
>> Stick - 24 7/16" from the tip to the inside top of the "bell"=20
>> cover/dust guard. Oil "add" mark 1 1/8" from tip, oil "full" mark 2"=20=

>> from tip.
>> --
>> Tube - 15 15/16" overall. 14 3/4" from the top of the "stop/seating=20=

>> ring" (were it goes into the timing gear cover) to the top of the=20
>> tube. 7 5/16" from the top of the tube to the center of the "mounting=20=

>> wing".
>> --
>> With the stick installed in the tube, the tip of the stick protrudes =
9
> 1/2"
>> out of the end of the tube. (measured from the tip of the stick to =
the
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">Ron=E2=80=A6.my data source also indicated 4 qts + 1 qt for =
the filter for both motors (260 &amp; 289)<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On =
Oct 5, 2015, at 9:33 AM, Ron Fraser &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D"">Andy<br =
class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">	=
</span>Yes - if your 260 engine has the stock oil pan you should put 5 =
qts<br class=3D"">of oil in no matter what filter you are using.<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">You have to understand that the dip stick =
reads wrong; you need to<br class=3D"">understand where the 5 qt level =
is now on the dip stick and where the ADD<br class=3D"">level is =
located.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">This all got me to thinking - what =
was the original Ford recommendation for<br class=3D"">oil capacity in =
the 60's?<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">I just found 1 reference that =
indicates the following:<br class=3D"">63 - 64 260<span =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span>4 qts<br =
class=3D"">63 - 65 289 4 qts<br class=3D"">66 - 67 289 5 qts<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Anyone else have this information for the Ford =
260 and 289 engines in the<br class=3D"">States?<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Maybe we are overfilling the sump with 5 qts and that extra =
qt was for the<br class=3D"">oil lines.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">To =
me the difference between the 65 and 66 289 indicates the oil pan =
shape<br class=3D"">changed for 1966.<br class=3D"">Very =
Interesting!!!<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">I just located another =
reference that indicates all 260 &amp; 289 engines 4 qts<br class=3D"">- =
add 1 qt if new filter.<br class=3D"">Back to 5 qts with filter =
change.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Ron Fraser<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">-----Original Message-----<br class=3D"">From: =
<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">[email-masked]</a> [<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" class=3D"">mailto:[email-masked]</a>] =
<br class=3D"">Sent: Monday, October 05, 2015 10:54 AM<br class=3D"">To: =
<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>; 'Dave Barakat'<br class=3D"">Cc: <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a><br class=3D"">Subject: RE: [Tigers] =
Tiger oil capacity w/non-stock filter<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Ron:<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">I have the same problem =
that all these other guys are having; with five<br class=3D"">quarts in =
the sump, my dipstick is showing way overfull, even after I have<br =
class=3D"">run the engine and circulated the oil. &nbsp;My 260 has the =
reproduction dipstick<br class=3D"">and tube also. &nbsp;All this being =
said, though, I guess the bottom line is that<br class=3D"">the 260 sump =
was designed to hold five quarts of oil and no matter what our<br =
class=3D"">dipsticks may read, we should be putting five quarts in them, =
correct?<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Andy <br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">---- &nbsp;Ron Fraser &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote: <br class=3D""><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D"">Dave<br class=3D""><br class=3D""> =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;It looks like I need to investigate the dip stick part =
further.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">The dip stick and dip stick tube =
should be a matched pair.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Parts List =
6601334<br class=3D"">1224808 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Oil Level indicator =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;NOTE - this is a Rootes part # only<br =
class=3D"">6100734 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Oil Level indicator =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;NOTE - this is a Rootes part # for a<br =
class=3D""></blockquote>Ford<br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D"">part<br class=3D"">C4JZ-6750-A seems to be the Ford part #<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">6100489 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;C2OZ-6754-A =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Tube - Oil level indicator<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Ford Master Parts Catalog - listed for the 260 engine<br =
class=3D"">C3OZ-6750-B &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;22.48" shield to full, 23.32" =
shield to Add, 24.44" shield<br class=3D""></blockquote>to<br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">tip<br =
class=3D"">C2OZ-6754-A &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Tube<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">This appears to be the correct dip stick and tube combination =
for the <br class=3D"">Tiger.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Maybe 1224808 =
is indicated because Rootes had to modify the dip stick. &nbsp;<br =
class=3D"">The long handle had to be bent to clear the hood. I'm sure =
this <br class=3D"">prompted Rootes to have Ford correct this issue with =
a new part - <br class=3D"">possibly the C4JZ-6750-A part - the "J" in =
this part # indicates a <br class=3D"">Ford Industrial Group supplied =
part.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">The later Tiger dip stick has the =
handle loop tighter to the shield <br class=3D"">with only a slight =
bend.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">The C3OZ-B and C2OZ-A parts are being =
reproduced by Scott Drake.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Ron Fraser<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">-----Original Message-----<br class=3D"">From: =
Dave Barakat [<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">mailto:[email-masked]</a>]<br class=3D"">Sent: =
Monday, October 05, 2015 2:20 AM<br class=3D"">To: <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a><br class=3D"">Cc: Andy Walker; <a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a><br class=3D"">Subject: Re: [Tigers] =
Tiger oil capacity w/non-stock filter<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Ron...thanks.this is so helpful and I will measure the stick =
and tube <br class=3D"">against David's spec. The tube and stick were =
obtained from SS as &nbsp;<br class=3D"">"dipstick for generator cars" =
(TM50/TM54), but no other part number <br class=3D"">given.<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br=
 class=3D"">On Oct 4, 2015, at 6:43 PM, Ron Fraser &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
class=3D"">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Dave<br class=3D""> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;It is very possible you =
do not have the original dip stick. &nbsp;I'm <br class=3D"">not sure I =
have the original in my engine either.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Parts =
List 6601334<br class=3D"">1224808 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Oil Level indicator =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;NOTE - this is a Rootes part # only<br =
class=3D"">6100734 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Oil Level indicator =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;NOTE - this is a Rootes part # for a<br =
class=3D""></blockquote>Ford<br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D"">part<br class=3D"">C4JZ-6750-A seems to be the Ford part #<br =
class=3D"">There is no indication about when this part change =
occurred.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Here is an email from David =
Franchi - 8/12/2004 with some <br class=3D"">measurements.<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">The original dip stick &amp; tube measurements =
are:<br class=3D"">Stick - 24 7/16" from the tip to the inside top of =
the "bell" <br class=3D"">cover/dust guard. Oil "add" mark 1 1/8" from =
tip, oil "full" mark 2" <br class=3D"">from tip.<br class=3D"">--<br =
class=3D"">Tube - 15 15/16" overall. 14 3/4" from the top of the =
"stop/seating <br class=3D"">ring" (were it goes into the timing gear =
cover) to the top of the <br class=3D"">tube. 7 5/16" from the top of =
the tube to the center of the "mounting <br class=3D"">wing".<br =
class=3D"">--<br class=3D"">With the stick installed in the tube, the =
tip of the stick protrudes 9<br class=3D""></blockquote>1/2"<br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">out of the end of the =
tube. (measured from the tip of the stick to the<br class=3D"">bottom of =
the tube "stop/seating ring") <br class=3D"">David Franchi<br =
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I probably should have my head examined for this, but here goes.  The
workshop manual says 10 pints of oil including filter for the 260. The 289
spec is 11.4 pints including filter and cooler.   If you really want to be
that precise, then remove the oil pan, which is relatively easy to do and it
probably needs cleaning anyway, then pour in 4 qts of oil and measure the
depth from the pan flange. Then measure the dipstick from the an rail on the
block to determine how far it sticks down.  Better yet is to simply drain
the pan and then pour in 3 qts of oil on a clean dipstick. Remove the
dipstick and mark that level as the add 1 qt position. Use a small center
punch to mark the Dip Stick. Then add another qt of oil and remove and check
the DS. Mark that position as the full mark.  The ford filter of choice in
those days was the Fram PH8A or Motorcraft unit which was probably made in
the same plant. They hold 1 qt of oil.  When you change your oil and filter
using either of these and if you have the remove filter which is vertical
and bolted to the driver's side head, then prefill the filter before putting
the oil lines back on. And then add only 4 qts to the pan. No dry starts
that way. Ditto if you are using the 90 degree adapter only on the side of
the block. If using a short filter, prefill one and see just how much oil it
takes. Or just go ahead and put the full remaining oil into the motor. The
level will not be significantly higher in the pan. A qt of oil is about 58
cubic inches and on a pan sump which is about 9 x 10 inches or so that is
only a depth of 0.64 inches. And a whole lot more than that will be hung up
in the motor when operating so added oil is good anyway. Runs cooler (well,
a bit anyway).

This really is easy to figure out. 

Can we move on, this horse has been completely beaten to death, skinned
hide tanned and turned into a saddle.  

mayf

_________________________
drmayf
Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.
204.913 mph flying mile
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class=3DMsoNormal>I probably should have my head examined for this, but =
here goes. &nbsp;The workshop manual says 10 pints of oil including =
filter for the 260. The 289 spec is 11.4 pints including filter and =
cooler. &nbsp;&nbsp;If you really want to be that precise, then remove =
the oil pan, which is relatively easy to do and it probably needs =
cleaning anyway, then pour in 4 qts of oil and measure the depth from =
the pan flange. Then measure the dipstick from the an rail on the block =
to determine how far it sticks down. &nbsp;Better yet is to simply drain =
the pan and then pour in 3 qts of oil on a clean dipstick. Remove the =
dipstick and mark that level as the add 1 qt position. Use a small =
center punch to mark the Dip Stick. Then add another qt of oil and =
remove and check the DS. Mark that position as the full mark. &nbsp;The =
ford filter of choice in those days was the Fram PH8A or Motorcraft unit =
which was probably made in the same plant. They hold 1 qt of oil.&nbsp; =
When you change your oil and filter using either of these and if you =
have the remove filter which is vertical and bolted to the =
driver&#8217;s side head, then prefill the filter before putting the oil =
lines back on. And then add only 4 qts to the pan. No dry starts that =
way. Ditto if you are using the 90 degree adapter only on the side of =
the block. If using a short filter, prefill one and see just how much =
oil it takes. Or just go ahead and put the full remaining oil into the =
motor. The level will not be significantly higher in the pan. A qt of =
oil is about 58 cubic inches and on a pan sump which is about 9 x 10 =
inches or so that is only a depth of 0.64 inches. And a whole lot more =
than that will be hung up in the motor when operating so added oil is =
good anyway. Runs cooler (well, a bit anyway).<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>This really =
is easy to figure out. <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Can we move =
on, this horse has been completely beaten to death, skinned &nbsp;hide =
tanned and turned into a saddle. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>mayf<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>_____________=
____________<br>drmayf<br>Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.<br>204.913 mph =
flying mile<br>210.779 mph top speed<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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From: Philip Hulse via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 22:07:59 -0700

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on the block to determine how far it sticks down. =C2=A0Better yet is to si=
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nter punch to mark the Dip Stick. Then add another qt of oil and remove and=
 check the DS. Mark that position as the full mark. =C2=A0The ford filter o=
f choice in those days was the Fram PH8A or Motorcraft unit which was proba=
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rtical and bolted to the driver=E2=80=99s side head, then prefill the filte=
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<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0"><tr><td valign=3D"t=
op">Dr. Mayf<div id=3D"yMail_cursorElementTracker_0.3258071399759501">Is 10=
 pints UK or US? &nbsp;It makes quart of difference. :&gt;)</div><div id=3D=
"yMail_cursorElementTracker_0.3258071399759501"><div id=3D"yMail_cursorElem=
entTracker_0.8740310787688941"><br><p><a href=3D"https://overview.mail.yaho=
o.com/mobile/?.src=3DAndroid">Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android</a></p> <hr><=
table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0"> <tbody> <tr> <td va=
lign=3D"top"> <div style=3D"font-family:Roboto, sans-serif;color:#7e7d80;">=
<b>From</b>:"Larry Mayfield via Tigers" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b=
>Date</b>:Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 2:39 PM<br><b>Subject</b>:Re: [Tigers] Tiger =
oil capacity w/non-stock filter<br><br></div> <img src=3D"cid:1.162240433@w=
eb184304.mail.ne1.yahoo.com" width=3D"0" height=3D"0" class=3D"shape" style=
=3D"display:none;width:0;height:0;"><div class=3D"WordSection1"><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal">I probably should have
 my head examined for this, but here goes. &nbsp;The workshop manual says 1=
0 pints of oil including filter for the 260. The 289 spec is 11.4 pints inc=
luding filter and cooler. &nbsp;&nbsp;If you really want to be that precise=
, then remove the oil pan, which is relatively easy to do and it probably n=
eeds cleaning anyway, then pour in 4 qts of oil and measure the depth from =
the pan flange. Then measure the dipstick from the an rail on the block to =
determine how far it sticks down. &nbsp;Better yet is to simply drain the p=
an and then pour in 3 qts of oil on a clean dipstick. Remove the dipstick a=
nd mark that level as the add 1 qt position. Use a small center punch to ma=
rk the Dip Stick. Then add another qt of oil and remove and check the DS. M=
ark that position as the full mark. &nbsp;The ford filter of choice in thos=
e days was the Fram PH8A or Motorcraft unit which was probably made in the =
same plant. They hold 1 qt of oil.&nbsp; When you change your oil
 and filter using either of these and if you have the remove filter which i=
s vertical and bolted to the driver=E2=80=99s side head, then prefill the f=
ilter before putting the oil lines back on. And then add only 4 qts to the =
pan. No dry starts that way. Ditto if you are using the 90 degree adapter o=
nly on the side of the block. If using a short filter, prefill one and see =
just how much oil it takes. Or just go ahead and put the full remaining oil=
 into the motor. The level will not be significantly higher in the pan. A q=
t of oil is about 58 cubic inches and on a pan sump which is about 9 x 10 i=
nches or so that is only a depth of 0.64 inches. And a whole lot more than =
that will be hung up in the motor when operating so added oil is good anywa=
y. Runs cooler (well, a bit anyway).</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal">This really is easy to figure out. </p><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Can we move on, this horse has b=
een
 completely beaten to death, skinned &nbsp;hide tanned and turned into a sa=
ddle. &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">ma=
yf</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font=
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_________<br>drmayf<br>Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period.<br>204.913 mph flyin=
g mile<br>210.779 mph top speed</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p=
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