Subject: [Tigers] South African Tigers

From: Tom Witt via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 16:50:07 -0700

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I was looking up Rambler Americans and stumbled across the fact that =
some were sold as knock down kits in South Africa by a company =
controlled by Rootes (Stanley Motors). As the web often goes I stumbled =
upon other information relating to South African Tigers. One was quite =
in error stating that only 43 were ever assembled there and that the =
first SA Tiger was built in 1961 =
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C630148.

This next 2012 article spoke of the lack of interest for Tigers in South =
Africa and how many were going to Australia (in part, link at the =
bottom). Anyway, for those who have interest... :

=E2=80=9CStill, investors need to be careful as particular markets =
don=E2=80=99t value all scarce cars equally. A perfect example seems to =
be the Sunbeam Tiger, which doesn=E2=80=99t do all that well in SA =
despite the fact that only 73 were ever manufactured here. By contrast =
the Tiger is in huge demand in Australia.

Alf Dragan, a Sunbeam enthusiast from Edenvale, says he tried to sell a =
Tiger 260 in 1997 for R40 000 but was offered just R20 000 in the local =
market. He eventually managed to sell it for R45 000 to an Australian =
buyer who was so keen to get his hands on the vehicle that he paid for =
all the transport costs in addition to the asking price. Dragan says =
South African Tiger owners are today exporting their cars to Australia =
for over R200 000.

=E2=80=9CIt=E2=80=99s all about nostalgia,=E2=80=9D says Dragan, who =
adds that one of the reasons the Aussies like sourcing their Tigers from =
SA is that they=E2=80=99ve usually suffered less rust damage over the =
years than their Australian counterparts from coastal cities like =
Brisbane, Sydney, Melbourne and Perth.

By contrast, SA tends to have a big appetite for the 1956 Austin Healy =
100 Roadster as well as the aforementioned E-type Jaguar.

=E2=80=9CThose are the real money spinners over here,=E2=80=9D says =
Dragan.

The biggest risk to prospective investors he says, is picking the wrong =
car, especially one that needs to be restored.

=E2=80=9CRestoring a car today is very expensive,=E2=80=9D he says. =
=E2=80=9CIf you don=E2=80=99t restore the right car you can come =
seriously short.=E2=80=9D=E2=80=9D

http://finweek.com/2012/04/13/classic-cars-an-underrated-investment-vehic=
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<P><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">I was looking up Rambler Americans and =
stumbled=20
across the fact that some were sold as knock down kits in South Africa =
by a=20
company controlled by Rootes (Stanley Motors). As the web often goes I =
stumbled=20
upon other information relating to South African Tigers. One was quite =
in error=20
stating that only 43 were ever assembled there and that the first SA =
Tiger was=20
built in 1961 <A title=3Dhttp://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C630148=20
href=3D"http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C630148">http://www.carandclas=
sic.co.uk/car/C630148</A>.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">This next 2012 article spoke of the =
lack of=20
interest for Tigers in South Africa and how many were going to Australia =
(in=20
part, link at the bottom). Anyway, for those who have interest... =
:</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">=E2=80=9CStill, investors need to be =
careful as=20
particular markets don=E2=80=99t value all scarce cars equally. A =
perfect example seems=20
to be the Sunbeam Tiger, which doesn=E2=80=99t do all that well in SA =
despite the fact=20
that only 73 were ever manufactured here. By contrast the Tiger is in =
huge=20
demand in Australia.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Alf Dragan, a Sunbeam enthusiast from =
Edenvale,=20
says he tried to sell a Tiger 260 in 1997 for R40 000 but was offered =
just R20=20
000 in the local market. He eventually managed to sell it for R45 000 to =
an=20
Australian buyer who was so keen to get his hands on the vehicle that he =
paid=20
for all the transport costs in addition to the asking price. Dragan says =
South=20
African Tiger owners are today exporting their cars to Australia for =
over R200=20
000.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">=E2=80=9CIt=E2=80=99s all about =
nostalgia,=E2=80=9D says Dragan, who=20
adds that one of the reasons the Aussies like sourcing their Tigers from =
SA is=20
that they=E2=80=99ve usually suffered less rust damage over the years =
than their=20
Australian counterparts from coastal cities like Brisbane, Sydney, =
Melbourne and=20
Perth.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">By contrast, SA tends to have a big =
appetite for=20
the 1956 Austin Healy 100 Roadster as well as the aforementioned E-type=20
Jaguar.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">=E2=80=9CThose are the real money =
spinners over here,=E2=80=9D=20
says Dragan.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">The biggest risk to prospective =
investors he=20
says, is picking the wrong car, especially one that needs to be=20
restored.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">=E2=80=9CRestoring a car today is very =
expensive,=E2=80=9D he=20
says. =E2=80=9CIf you don=E2=80=99t restore the right car you can come =
seriously=20
short.=E2=80=9D=E2=80=9D</FONT></P>
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From: michael king via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 10:00:53 +1000

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Yes quite a few sth African tigers found there way to Australia since the
mid 90's .

Even a few more in 2012.... Being rhd they are probably more prized here
than USA imports, that said they tend to be quite shabby on arrival and
lived hard lives.

There was a really nice rhd sth afrian tiger for sale on eBay USA back in
2006, would have been nice to know how it got there. It had survived really
well and was largely stock bar a large scoop added under the front valence
to aid cooling.
On 17 Sep 2015 9:53 am, "Tom Witt via Tigers" <[email-masked]> wrote=
:

> I was looking up Rambler Americans and stumbled across the fact that some
> were sold as knock down kits in South Africa by a company controlled by
> Rootes (Stanley Motors). As the web often goes I stumbled upon other
> information relating to South African Tigers. One was quite in error
> stating that only 43 were ever assembled there and that the first SA Tige=
r
> was built in 1961 http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C630148.
>
> This next 2012 article spoke of the lack of interest for Tigers in South
> Africa and how many were going to Australia (in part, link at the bottom)=
.
> Anyway, for those who have interest... :
>
> =E2=80=9CStill, investors need to be careful as particular markets don=E2=
=80=99t value all
> scarce cars equally. A perfect example seems to be the Sunbeam Tiger, whi=
ch
> doesn=E2=80=99t do all that well in SA despite the fact that only 73 were=
 ever
> manufactured here. By contrast the Tiger is in huge demand in Australia.
>
> Alf Dragan, a Sunbeam enthusiast from Edenvale, says he tried to sell a
> Tiger 260 in 1997 for R40 000 but was offered just R20 000 in the local
> market. He eventually managed to sell it for R45 000 to an Australian buy=
er
> who was so keen to get his hands on the vehicle that he paid for all the
> transport costs in addition to the asking price. Dragan says South Africa=
n
> Tiger owners are today exporting their cars to Australia for over R200 00=
0.
>
> =E2=80=9CIt=E2=80=99s all about nostalgia,=E2=80=9D says Dragan, who adds=
 that one of the reasons
> the Aussies like sourcing their Tigers from SA is that they=E2=80=99ve us=
ually
> suffered less rust damage over the years than their Australian counterpar=
ts
> from coastal cities like Brisbane, Sydney, Melbourne and Perth.
>
> By contrast, SA tends to have a big appetite for the 1956 Austin Healy 10=
0
> Roadster as well as the aforementioned E-type Jaguar.
>
> =E2=80=9CThose are the real money spinners over here,=E2=80=9D says Draga=
n.
>
> The biggest risk to prospective investors he says, is picking the wrong
> =E2=80=9CRestoring a car today is very expensive,=E2=80=9D he says. =E2=
=80=9CIf you don=E2=80=99t restore
> the right car you can come seriously short.=E2=80=9D=E2=80=9D
>
>
le/
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<p dir=3D"ltr">Yes quite a few sth African tigers found there way to Austra=
lia since the mid 90&#39;s . </p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Even a few more in 2012.... Being rhd they are probably more=
 prized here than USA imports, that said they tend to be quite shabby on ar=
rival and lived hard lives.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">There was a really nice rhd sth afrian tiger for sale on eBa=
y USA back in 2006, would have been nice to know how it got there. It had s=
urvived really well and was largely stock bar a large scoop added under the=
 front valence to aid cooling. </p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 17 Sep 2015 9:53 am, &quot;Tom Witt via Tiger=
s&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]<=
/a>&gt; wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" st=
yle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:&#39;Calibri&#39;;COLOR:#000000">
<p><font face=3D"Times New Roman">I was looking up Rambler Americans and st=
umbled=20
across the fact that some were sold as knock down kits in South Africa by a=
=20
company controlled by Rootes (Stanley Motors). As the web often goes I stum=
bled=20
upon other information relating to South African Tigers. One was quite in e=
rror=20
stating that only 43 were ever assembled there and that the first SA Tiger =
was=20
built in 1961 <a title=3D"http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C630148" href=
=3D"http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C630148" target=3D"_blank">http://ww=
w.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C630148</a>.</font></p>
<p><font face=3D"Times New Roman">This next 2012 article spoke of the lack =
of=20
interest for Tigers in South Africa and how many were going to Australia (i=
n=20
part, link at the bottom). Anyway, for those who have interest... :</font><=
/p>
<p><font face=3D"Times New Roman">=E2=80=9CStill, investors need to be care=
ful as=20
particular markets don=E2=80=99t value all scarce cars equally. A perfect e=
xample seems=20
to be the Sunbeam Tiger, which doesn=E2=80=99t do all that well in SA despi=
te the fact=20
that only 73 were ever manufactured here. By contrast the Tiger is in huge=
=20
demand in Australia.</font></p>
<p><font face=3D"Times New Roman">Alf Dragan, a Sunbeam enthusiast from Ede=
nvale,=20
says he tried to sell a Tiger 260 in 1997 for R40 000 but was offered just =
R20=20
000 in the local market. He eventually managed to sell it for R45 000 to an=
=20
Australian buyer who was so keen to get his hands on the vehicle that he pa=
id=20
for all the transport costs in addition to the asking price. Dragan says So=
uth=20
African Tiger owners are today exporting their cars to Australia for over R=
200=20
000.</font></p>
<p><font face=3D"Times New Roman">=E2=80=9CIt=E2=80=99s all about nostalgia=
,=E2=80=9D says Dragan, who=20
adds that one of the reasons the Aussies like sourcing their Tigers from SA=
 is=20
that they=E2=80=99ve usually suffered less rust damage over the years than =
their=20
Australian counterparts from coastal cities like Brisbane, Sydney, Melbourn=
e and=20
Perth.</font></p>
<p><font face=3D"Times New Roman">By contrast, SA tends to have a big appet=
ite for=20
the 1956 Austin Healy 100 Roadster as well as the aforementioned E-type=20
Jaguar.</font></p>
<p><font face=3D"Times New Roman">=E2=80=9CThose are the real money spinner=
s over here,=E2=80=9D=20
says Dragan.</font></p>
<p><font face=3D"Times New Roman">The biggest risk to prospective investors=
 he=20
says, is picking the wrong car, especially one that needs to be=20
restored.</font></p>
<p><font face=3D"Times New Roman">=E2=80=9CRestoring a car today is very ex=
pensive,=E2=80=9D he=20
says. =E2=80=9CIf you don=E2=80=99t restore the right car you can come seri=
ously=20
short.=E2=80=9D=E2=80=9D</font></p>
<p><a title=3D"http://finweek.com/2012/04/13/classic-cars-an-underrated-inv=
estment-vehicle/" href=3D"http://finweek.com/2012/04/13/classic-cars-an-und=
errated-investment-vehicle/" target=3D"_blank">http://finweek.com/2012/04/1=
3/classic-cars-an-underrated-investment-vehicle/</a></p></div></div></div>
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From: snakebit289 via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 20:11:17 +0000 (UTC)

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At least US Tiger made a stop in South Africa before being shipped to Calif=
ornia, where it then went to Connecticut, and is the Tiger featured on the =
Petrolicious site on YouTube.=20

     On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 8:08 PM, michael king via Tigers <tig=
[email-masked]> wrote:
  =20

 Yes quite a few sth African tigers found there way to Australia since the =
mid 90's . Even a few more in 2012.... Being rhd they are probably more pri=
zed here than USA imports, that said they tend to be quite shabby on arriva=
l and lived hard lives.There was a really nice rhd sth afrian tiger for sal=
e on eBay USA back in 2006, would have been nice to know how it got there. =
It had survived really well and was largely stock bar a large scoop added u=
nder the front valence to aid cooling. On 17 Sep 2015 9:53 am, "Tom Witt vi=
a Tigers" <[email-masked]> wrote:

I was looking up Rambler Americans and stumbled across the fact that some w=
ere sold as knock down kits in South Africa by a company controlled by Root=
es (Stanley Motors). As the web often goes I stumbled upon other informatio=
n relating to South African Tigers. One was quite in error stating that onl=
y 43 were ever assembled there and that the first SA Tiger was built in 196=
1 http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C630148.This next 2012 article spoke o=
f the lack of interest for Tigers in South Africa and how many were going t=
o Australia (in part, link at the bottom). Anyway, for those who have inter=
est... :=E2=80=9CStill, investors need to be careful as particular markets =
don=E2=80=99t value all scarce cars equally. A perfect example seems to be =
the Sunbeam Tiger, which doesn=E2=80=99t do all that well in SA despite the=
 fact that only 73 were ever manufactured here. By contrast the Tiger is in=
 huge demand in Australia.Alf Dragan, a Sunbeam enthusiast from Edenvale, s=
ays he tried to sell a Tiger 260 in 1997 for R40 000 but was offered just R=
20 000 in the local market. He eventually managed to sell it for R45 000 to=
 an Australian buyer who was so keen to get his hands on the vehicle that h=
e paid for all the transport costs in addition to the asking price. Dragan =
says South African Tiger owners are today exporting their cars to Australia=
 for over R200 000.=E2=80=9CIt=E2=80=99s all about nostalgia,=E2=80=9D says=
 Dragan, who adds that one of the reasons the Aussies like sourcing their T=
igers from SA is that they=E2=80=99ve usually suffered less rust damage ove=
r the years than their Australian counterparts from coastal cities like Bri=
sbane, Sydney, Melbourne and Perth.By contrast, SA tends to have a big appe=
tite for the 1956 Austin Healy 100 Roadster as well as the aforementioned E=
-type Jaguar.=E2=80=9CThose are the real money spinners over here,=E2=80=9D=
 says Dragan.The biggest risk to prospective investors he says, is picking =
the wrong car, especially one that needs to be restored.=E2=80=9CRestoring =
a car today is very expensive,=E2=80=9D he says. =E2=80=9CIf you don=E2=80=
=99t restore the right car you can come seriously short.=E2=80=9D=E2=80=9Dh=
ttp://finweek.com/2012/04/13/classic-cars-an-underrated-investment-vehicle/
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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:bo=
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=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442605703562_7922"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442605703562=
_7925">At least US Tiger made a stop in South Africa before being shipped t=
o California, where it then went to Connecticut, and is the Tiger featured =
on the Petrolicious site on YouTube.</span></div>  <br><div class=3D"qtdSep=
arateBR"><br><br></div><div style=3D"display: block;" class=3D"yahoo_quoted=
"> <div style=3D"font-family: bookman old style, new york, times, serif; fo=
nt-size: 16px;"> <div style=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, =
Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir=3D=
"ltr"> <font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"> On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 8:=
08 PM, michael king via Tigers &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br> </f=
ont> </div>  <br><br> <div class=3D"y_msg_container"><div id=3D"yiv51711210=
54"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Yes quite a few sth African tigers found there wa=
y to Australia since the mid 90's . </div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Even a few more in 2012.... Being rhd they are probably mo=
re prized here than USA imports, that said they tend to be quite shabby on =
arrival and lived hard lives.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">There was a really nice rhd sth afrian tiger for sale on e=
Bay USA back in 2006, would have been nice to know how it got there. It had=
 survived really well and was largely stock bar a large scoop added under t=
he front valence to aid cooling. </div>
<div class=3D"yiv5171121054gmail_quote">On 17 Sep 2015 9:53 am, "Tom Witt v=
ia Tigers" &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:tigers@=
autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">tig=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><blockquote class=3D"yi=
v5171121054gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc sol=
id;padding-left:1ex;">
<div class=3D"yiv5171121054yqt1195413236" id=3D"yiv5171121054yqt05276"><div=
 dir=3D"ltr">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri';COLOR:#000000;">
<div><font face=3D"Times New Roman">I was looking up Rambler Americans and =
stumbled=20
across the fact that some were sold as knock down kits in South Africa by a=
=20
company controlled by Rootes (Stanley Motors). As the web often goes I stum=
bled=20
upon other information relating to South African Tigers. One was quite in e=
rror=20
stating that only 43 were ever assembled there and that the first SA Tiger =
was=20
built in 1961 <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" title=3D"http://www.carand=
classic.co.uk/car/C630148" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.carandclass=
ic.co.uk/car/C630148">http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C630148</a>.</font=
></div>
<div><font face=3D"Times New Roman">This next 2012 article spoke of the lac=
k of=20
interest for Tigers in South Africa and how many were going to Australia (i=
n=20
part, link at the bottom). Anyway, for those who have interest... :</font><=
/div>
<div><font face=3D"Times New Roman">=E2=80=9CStill, investors need to be ca=
reful as=20
particular markets don=E2=80=99t value all scarce cars equally. A perfect e=
xample seems=20
to be the Sunbeam Tiger, which doesn=E2=80=99t do all that well in SA despi=
te the fact=20
that only 73 were ever manufactured here. By contrast the Tiger is in huge=
=20
demand in Australia.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Times New Roman">Alf Dragan, a Sunbeam enthusiast from E=
denvale,=20
says he tried to sell a Tiger 260 in 1997 for R40 000 but was offered just =
R20=20
000 in the local market. He eventually managed to sell it for R45 000 to an=
=20
Australian buyer who was so keen to get his hands on the vehicle that he pa=
id=20
for all the transport costs in addition to the asking price. Dragan says So=
uth=20
African Tiger owners are today exporting their cars to Australia for over R=
200=20
000.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Times New Roman">=E2=80=9CIt=E2=80=99s all about nostalg=
ia,=E2=80=9D says Dragan, who=20
adds that one of the reasons the Aussies like sourcing their Tigers from SA=
 is=20
that they=E2=80=99ve usually suffered less rust damage over the years than =
their=20
Australian counterparts from coastal cities like Brisbane, Sydney, Melbourn=
e and=20
Perth.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Times New Roman">By contrast, SA tends to have a big app=
etite for=20
the 1956 Austin Healy 100 Roadster as well as the aforementioned E-type=20
Jaguar.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Times New Roman">=E2=80=9CThose are the real money spinn=
ers over here,=E2=80=9D=20
says Dragan.</font></div>
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