Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger's Girling Mk 2A Brake Servo

From: Jay Laifman via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2015 14:56:50 -0700

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It has been a while since I had that discussion with them.  But, unless
I've completely forgotten, at the time, I believe the letterhead of the
letter from them said it was from "Lockheed/Girling" as if they had
combined.  I have no idea what has happened since.

On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 2:55 PM, CoolVT--- via Tigers <[email-masked]=
t
> wrote:

> *I thought someone said that Lockheed no longer was in business or no
> longer made servos. A few yrs. back Victoria British listed a "Lockheed
> Replacement".  We all thought they meant a Lookheed replacement for a
> Girling.  What they sent buyers was a replacement made in China.
> Apparently is was a replacement for the Lockheed.  So, be sure you know
> what you are getting.  Mark*
>
> In a message dated 9/28/2015 3:50:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> [email-masked] writes:
>
> Does anyone know if the Moss Motors #981-173 Lockheed Brake servo can be
> used as a direct replacement for the Tiger=E2=80=99s Girling Mk2A servo. =
 The
> Girling Mk2A has a 2.78:1 advantage that may be better than some other
> similar units that will fit the Tiger.  At $380, the Moss servo is about
> half the price of a rebuilt Girling Servo.
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">It has been a while since I had that discussion with them.=
=C2=A0 But, unless I&#39;ve completely forgotten, at the time, I believe th=
e letterhead of the letter from them said it was from &quot;Lockheed/Girlin=
g&quot; as if they had combined.=C2=A0 I have no idea what has happened sin=
ce.</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, =
Sep 30, 2015 at 2:55 PM, CoolVT--- via Tigers <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</=
a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><u></u>

<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;COLOR:#000000"><font color=
=3D"#000000" size=3D"3" face=3D"Arial">
<div><strong>I thought someone said that Lockheed no longer was in business=
 or=20
no longer made servos. A few yrs. back Victoria British listed a &quot;Lock=
heed=20
Replacement&quot;.=C2=A0 We all thought they meant a Lookheed replacement f=
or a=20
Girling.=C2=A0 What they sent buyers was a replacement made in China.=C2=A0=
=20
Apparently is was a replacement for the Lockheed.=C2=A0 So, be sure you kno=
w=20
what you are getting.=C2=A0 Mark</strong></div>
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<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
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  <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Does anyone know if the Moss Motors #981-173 Lockh=
eed Brake=20
  servo can be used as a direct replacement for the Tiger=E2=80=99s Girling=
 Mk2A=20
  servo.=C2=A0 The Girling Mk2A has a 2.78:1 advantage that may be better t=
han=20
  some other similar units that will fit the Tiger.=C2=A0 At $380, the Moss=
=20
  servo is about half the price of a rebuilt Girling Servo.<u></u><u></u></=
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From: tym2--- via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2015 22:28:27 +0000 (UTC)

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Tigers,

I just did a quick search and came up with this:
http://www.northwestclassic.co.uk/girling&lockheed.html

Happy birthday to all of our Tigers!

Tym McDowell

----- Original Message -----From: Jay Laifman via Tigers <[email-masked]>To: [email-masked]: Tiger's Den <[email-masked]>Sent: Wed, 30 Sep 2015 21:56:50 -0000 (UTC)Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger's Girling Mk 2A Brake Servo

It has been a while since I had that discussion with them.  But, unless I've completely forgotten, at the time, I believe the letterhead of the letter from them said it was from "Lockheed/Girling" as if they had combined.  I have no idea what has happened since.

On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 2:55 PM, CoolVT--- via Tigers <[email-masked]> wrote:

I thought someone said that Lockheed no longer was in business or no longer made servos. A few yrs. back Victoria British listed a "Lockheed Replacement".  We all thought they meant a Lookheed replacement for a Girling.  What they sent buyers was a replacement made in China.  Apparently is was a replacement for the Lockheed.  So, be sure you know what you are getting.  Mark

In a message dated 9/28/2015 3:50:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email-masked] writes:

Does anyone know if the Moss Motors #981-173 Lockheed Brake  servo can be used as a direct replacement for the Tiger&rsquo;s Girling Mk2A  servo.  The Girling Mk2A has a 2.78:1 advantage that may be better than  some other similar units that will fit the Tiger.  At $380, the Moss  servo is about half the price of a rebuilt Girling Servo.
 
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<div>Tigers,</div>
<div></div>
<div>I just did a quick search and came up with this:</div>
<div><a href="http://www.northwestclassic.co.uk/girling&amp;lockheed.html">http://www.northwestclassic.co.uk/girling&amp;lockheed.html</a></div>
<div></div>
<div>Happy birthday to all of our Tigers!</div>
<div></div>
<div>Tym McDowell</div>
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<div dir="ltr">It has been a while since I had that discussion with them.&nbsp; But, unless I've completely forgotten, at the time, I believe the letterhead of the letter from them said it was from "Lockheed/Girling" as if they had combined.&nbsp; I have no idea what has happened since.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 2:55 PM, CoolVT--- via Tigers <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:[email-masked]" target="_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br />
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<div><strong>I thought someone said that Lockheed no longer was in business or <br />no longer made servos. A few yrs. back Victoria British listed a "Lockheed <br />Replacement".&nbsp; We all thought they meant a Lookheed replacement for a <br />Girling.&nbsp; What they sent buyers was a replacement made in China.&nbsp; <br />Apparently is was a replacement for the Lockheed.&nbsp; So, be sure you know <br />what you are getting.&nbsp; Mark</strong></div>
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I called Moss Motors again and the knowledgeable person (Kelvin @
805-681-3411 Ext 7023) in CA described the 981-173 Lockheed Brake Servo
Booster as a 3:1 advantage unit typically used in the large Healeys, Jag
XK120 & MGC.  He described the servo as having the 7" dia. vacuum plenum
(as in the Girling Mk 2A) and is sourced from AP Braking in the UK, *not
China*.  A similar unit is reportedly available from Powertune, apparently
another UK source.  What isn't readily apparent is whether the mounting is
the same as the existing Tiger's.

Can any of the geometric or technical aspects be verified?

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=3Dssl#q=3Dpowertune+brake+servo

Rob
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> half the price of a rebuilt Girling Servo.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,=
sans-serif">I called Moss Motors again and the knowledgeable person (Kelvin=
 @ 805-681-3411 Ext 7023) in CA described the 981-173 Lockheed Brake Servo =
Booster as a 3:1 advantage unit typically used in the large Healeys, Jag XK=
120 &amp; MGC.=C2=A0 He described the servo as having the 7&quot; dia. vacu=
um plenum (as in the Girling Mk 2A) and is sourced from AP Braking in the U=
K, <b>not China</b>.=C2=A0 A similar unit is reportedly available from Powe=
rtune, apparently another UK source.=C2=A0 What isn&#39;t readily apparent =
is whether the mounting is the same as the existing Tiger&#39;s. =C2=A0</di=
v><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br=
></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif=
">Can any of the geometric or technical aspects be verified?</div><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div=
 class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><a href=
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From: Jay Laifman via Tigers <[email-masked]>
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That sounds like the one that Lockheed/Girling wrote to me and said was the
correct one for the 7".  I will see if I can find that letter.

Jay

On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 3:30 PM, Rob Hogan via Tigers <[email-masked]=
t

> I called Moss Motors again and the knowledgeable person (Kelvin @ 805-681=
-3411
> Ext 7023) in CA described the 981-173 Lockheed Brake Servo Booster as a
> 3:1 advantage unit typically used in the large Healeys, Jag XK120 & MGC.
> He described the servo as having the 7" dia. vacuum plenum (as in the
> Girling Mk 2A) and is sourced from AP Braking in the UK, *not China*.  A
> similar unit is reportedly available from Powertune, apparently another U=
K
> source.  What isn't readily apparent is whether the mounting is the same =
as
> the existing Tiger's.
>> used as a direct replacement for the Tiger=E2=80=99s Girling Mk2A servo.=
  The
>> half the price of a rebuilt Girling Servo.

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<div dir=3D"ltr">That sounds like the one that Lockheed/Girling wrote to me=
 and said was the correct one for the 7&quot;.=C2=A0 I will see if I can fi=
nd that letter.<div><br></div><div>Jay</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra=
"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 3:30 PM, Rob Hogan=
 via Tigers <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc sol=
id;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D=
"font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I called Moss Motors again and the knowled=
geable person (Kelvin @ <a href=3D"tel:805-681-3411%20Ext%207023" value=3D"=
+18056813411" target=3D"_blank">805-681-3411 Ext 7023</a>) in CA described =
the 981-173 Lockheed Brake Servo Booster as a 3:1 advantage unit typically =
used in the large Healeys, Jag XK120 &amp; MGC.=C2=A0 He described the serv=
o as having the 7&quot; dia. vacuum plenum (as in the Girling Mk 2A) and is=
 sourced from AP Braking in the UK, <b>not China</b>.=C2=A0 A similar unit =
is reportedly available from Powertune, apparently another UK source.=C2=A0=
 What isn&#39;t readily apparent is whether the mounting is the same as the=
 existing Tiger&#39;s. =C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fo=
nt-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Can any of the geometric or technical a=
spects be verified?</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:=
verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fa=
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