Subject: [Tigers] Seat Belts and Seat Slider

From: Joel Martin via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 12:30:04 +0000 (UTC)

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I must confess, when doing metal and body work, I did not think ahead regar=
ding seat belt mounting locations.=C2=A0 I know with 1968 and newer cars yo=
u are required to wear a seat belt but I am sure I want them on any car I d=
rive.
So, what do people do regarding adding seat belts 'after' welding is out of=
 the question with new paint completed and carpet installed?=C2=A0 My MGB h=
as welded in captive nuts for belts and shoulder strap mounting points and =
I guess I was thinking the Tiger MK 1A had them as well - bad mistake.=C2=
=A0 Options now?
My other concern is with the seat slider where the seats 'raise/tip' forwar=
d with no way to hold back of seat frame from tipping forward in case of fr=
ont end accident.=C2=A0 How have folks addressed this issue or is it a none=
 issue?
Regards
Joel Martin

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p; My MGB has welded in captive nuts for belts and shoulder strap mounting =
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Joel
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    My Mk 1A has nuts welded underneath to the floor pan for the seat =
belts.
The nuts have a short shoulder machined into them so they stick up near
flush to the inside floor pan.
=20
I believe those seat belt bolt positions were standard.  There is also a
position for a shoulder harness belt on the rear wheel wells - mine were
welded over.
=20
I see few choices if you welded up these positions.  You can drill new =
holes
and weld nuts to the floor pan then touch up the paint.
Bolt in hardware kit - bolt, large washer, nut - no paint touch up
Eyebolt hardware kit - eyebolt, large washer, nut - no paint touch up - =
hook
and latch style seat belts required.
=20
If your buckled into the seat it  is not going to tip.
If your concern is with the empty seat tipping - fasten that seat belt =
to
limit its movement.
=20
Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: Tigers [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Joel =
Martin
via Tigers
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 8:30 AM
To: Tiger List Serve
Subject: [Tigers] Seat Belts and Seat Slider

I must confess, when doing metal and body work, I did not think ahead
regarding seat belt mounting locations.  I know with 1968 and newer cars =
you
are required to wear a seat belt but I am sure I want them on any car I
drive.

So, what do people do regarding adding seat belts 'after' welding is out =
of
the question with new paint completed and carpet installed?  My MGB has
welded in captive nuts for belts and shoulder strap mounting points and =
I
guess I was thinking the Tiger MK 1A had them as well - bad mistake.
Options now?

My other concern is with the seat slider where the seats 'raise/tip' =
forward
with no way to hold back of seat frame from tipping forward in case of =
front
end accident.  How have folks addressed this issue or is it a none =
issue?

Regards

Joel Martin

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<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D593474212-17092015>Joel</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D593474212-17092015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D593474212-17092015>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; My Mk 1A has nuts=20
welded&nbsp;underneath&nbsp;to the floor pan for the seat belts.&nbsp; =
The nuts=20
have a short shoulder&nbsp;machined into them so they stick up =
near&nbsp;flush=20
to the inside floor pan.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D593474212-17092015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D593474212-17092015>I=20
believe those seat belt bolt positions were standard.&nbsp; There is =
also a=20
position for a shoulder harness belt on the rear wheel wells - mine were =
welded=20
over.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D593474212-17092015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D593474212-17092015>I see=20
few choices if you welded up these positions.&nbsp; You can drill new =
holes and=20
weld nuts to the floor pan then touch up the paint.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D593474212-17092015>Bolt=20
in hardware kit - bolt, large washer, nut - no paint touch=20
up</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D593474212-17092015>Eyebolt hardware kit - eyebolt, large washer, =
nut - no=20
paint touch up - hook and latch style seat belts =
required.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D593474212-17092015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D593474212-17092015>If=20
your buckled into the seat it&nbsp; is not going to =
tip.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D593474212-17092015>If=20
your concern is with the empty seat tipping - fasten that seat belt to =
limit its=20
movement.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D593474212-17092015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D593474212-17092015>Ron=20
Fraser</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D2=20
  face=3DTahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Tigers=20
  [mailto:[email-masked]] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Joel Martin =
via=20
  Tigers<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, September 17, 2015 8:30 =
AM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
  Tiger List Serve<BR><B>Subject:</B> [Tigers] Seat Belts and Seat=20
  Slider<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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  style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff; FONT-FAMILY: garamond, new york, =
times, serif; COLOR: #000; FONT-SIZE: 16px">
  <DIV dir=3Dltr id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1442492271710_4472>I must confess, =
when doing=20
  metal and body work, I did not think ahead regarding seat belt =
mounting=20
  locations.&nbsp; I know with 1968 and newer cars you are required to =
wear a=20
  seat belt but I am sure I want them on any car I drive.</DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1442492271710_4473><BR></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1442492271710_4474>So, what do people =
do=20
  regarding adding seat belts 'after' welding is out of the question =
with new=20
  paint completed and carpet installed?&nbsp; My MGB has welded in =
captive nuts=20
  for belts and shoulder strap mounting points and I guess I was =
thinking the=20
  Tiger MK 1A had them as well - bad mistake.&nbsp; Options now?</DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1442492271710_4488><BR></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1442492271710_4512>My other concern =
is with the=20
  seat slider where the seats 'raise/tip' forward with no way to hold =
back of=20
  seat frame from tipping forward in case of front end accident.&nbsp; =
How have=20
  folks addressed this issue or is it a none issue?</DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr><BR></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr>Regards</DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr><BR></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1442492271710_4513>Joel =
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From: CoolVT--- via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 14:00:48 -0400

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Stu, if you hit something hard enough to flip the passenger seat  forward I 
think you're going to have more to worry about than a seat  ;-)

In a message dated 9/17/2015 1:31:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[email-masked] writes:

In my Tiger, assembled in  the late summer of '66, there were mounts for 
lap belts under the rugs, and  for the shoulder belt on the wheel arch in the 
rear.  They are threaded  to take the standard seat belt bolt, whatever that 
is, because a couple sets  I've obtained from other cars, including a 
Mercedes, fit right in.  

I'm on the short side, and  didn't like the angle of the lap belt when 
using the standard mounts, so I  added a second set of mounts further forward, 
just by drilling holes in the  floor and using those giant washers intended 
for seat belt mounting

If you are in the seat and  have your belts on, the seat should be unable 
to tip forward.  The empty  passenger seat is another issue...

Stu

On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 8:30 AM, Joel Martin via Tigers  
<[email-masked] (mailto:[email-masked]) > wrote:

I must confess, when doing metal and body work, I did not think  ahead 
regarding seat belt mounting locations.  I know with 1968 and  newer cars you 
are required to wear a seat belt but I am sure I want them on  any car I drive.

So, what do people do regarding adding seat belts 'after'  welding is out 
of the question with new paint completed and carpet  installed?  My MGB has 
welded in captive nuts for belts and shoulder  strap mounting points and I 
guess I was thinking the Tiger MK 1A had them as  well - bad mistake.  Options 
now?

My other concern is with the seat slider where the seats  'raise/tip' 
forward with no way to hold back of seat frame from tipping  forward in case of 
front end accident.  How have folks addressed this  issue or is it a none 
issue?

Regards

Joel Martin

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 and=20
  for the shoulder belt on the wheel arch in the rear.&nbsp; They are thre=
aded=20
  to take the standard seat belt bolt, whatever that is, because a couple=
 sets=20
  I've obtained from other cars, including a Mercedes, fit right in.=20
&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV class=3Dgmail_default style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small"><BR></DIV>
  <DIV class=3Dgmail_default style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small">I'm on the short=
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  didn't like the angle of the lap belt when using the standard mounts, so=
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  added a second set of mounts further forward, just by drilling holes in=
 the=20
  floor and using those giant washers intended for seat belt mounting</DIV=
  <DIV class=3Dgmail_default style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small"><BR></DIV>
  <DIV class=3Dgmail_default style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small">If you are in the=
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  have your belts on, the seat should be unable to tip forward.&nbsp; The=
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    <DIV dir=3Dltr><BR></DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr>So, what do people do regarding adding seat belts 'afte=
r'=20
    welding is out of the question with new paint completed and carpet=20
    installed?&nbsp; My MGB has welded in captive nuts for belts and shoul=
der=20
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    <DIV dir=3Dltr><BR></DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr>My other concern is with the seat slider where the seat=
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g=20
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From: Joel Martin via Tigers <[email-masked]>
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Thanks to all who responded. =C2=A03 point belts are almost complete. =C2=
=A0The wheel well nuts never had anything in them, the car only had lap bel=
ts before, so re-tapping was required - rear wheel well sides done. =C2=A0I=
 am going to get a few (4) small spacers for the behind the seat attachment=
 points so it does not bunch up the carpet at this location. =C2=A0
The belts came with 2 spacers for the wheel well location in order to get t=
hrough the vinyl and padding with a small hole punched\cut at this location=
 to ensure not messing up the vinyl. =C2=A0Looks pretty good.
Progress is slow but am getting all the little things completed while waiti=
ng for the chrome door finishers to come back in order to complete the door=
s as well as getting the top frame complete with center strap attached. =C2=
=A0We ended up with a 2 piece installation here. =C2=A0One from the middle =
bow to back bow and a long piece from the header to the rear bow. =C2=A0We =
are not attaching the header portion until the top is installed to ensure a=
 taught fit. =C2=A0Seats should be back from upholster some time in the nex=
t 2 weeks and then interior would be complete.
Thanks again for the responses, it was a little nerve racking early this we=
ek, not thinking there was no frame belt mounting points. =C2=A0MGB inside =
captive nuts - Sunbeam outside interior compartment captive nuts - who knew=
 - whew!
RegardsJoel Martin=20

     On Thursday, September 17, 2015 2:00 PM, "[email-masked]" <CoolVT@aol.=
com> wrote:
  =20

  Stu, if you hit something hard enough to flip the passenger seat forward =
I think you're going to have more to worry about than a seat ;-)=C2=A0In a =
message dated 9/17/2015 1:31:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email-masked]=
am.net writes:
  In my Tiger, assembled in the late summer of '66, there were mounts for l=
ap belts under the rugs, and for the shoulder belt on the wheel arch in the=
 rear.=C2=A0 They are threaded to take the standard seat belt bolt, whateve=
r that is, because a couple sets I've obtained from other cars, including a=
 Mercedes, fit right in. =C2=A0=20
 I'm on the short side, and didn't like the angle of the lap belt when usin=
g the standard mounts, so I added a second set of mounts further forward, j=
ust by drilling holes in the floor and using those giant washers intended f=
or seat belt mounting=20
 If you are in the seat and have your belts on, the seat should be unable t=
o tip forward.=C2=A0 The empty passenger seat is another issue...=20
 Stu=20
 On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 8:30 AM, Joel Martin via Tigers <[email-masked]=
.net> wrote:
=20
   I must confess, when doing metal and body work, I did not think ahead re=
garding seat belt mounting locations.=C2=A0 I know with 1968 and newer cars=
 you are required to wear a seat belt but I am sure I want them on any car =
I drive.=20
 So, what do people do regarding adding seat belts 'after' welding is out o=
f the question with new paint completed and carpet installed?=C2=A0 My MGB =
has welded in captive nuts for belts and shoulder strap mounting points and=
 I guess I was thinking the Tiger MK 1A had them as well - bad mistake.=C2=
=A0 Options now?=20
 My other concern is with the seat slider where the seats 'raise/tip' forwa=
rd with no way to hold back of seat frame from tipping forward in case of f=
ront end accident.=C2=A0 How have folks addressed this issue or is it a non=
e issue?=20
 Regards=20
 Joel Martin
=20

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_16_0_1_1442582821264_4661"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442582821264_4660">Th=
anks to all who responded. &nbsp;3 point belts are almost complete. &nbsp;T=
he wheel well nuts never had anything in them, the car only had lap belts b=
efore, so re-tapping was required - rear wheel well sides done. &nbsp;I am =
going to get a few (4) small spacers for the behind the seat attachment poi=
nts so it does not bunch up the carpet at this location. &nbsp;</span></div=
><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442582821264_4661"><span><br></span><=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442582821264_4661"><span id=3D"yu=
i_3_16_0_1_1442582821264_4665">The belts came with 2 spacers for the wheel =
well location in order to get through the vinyl and padding with a small ho=
le punched\cut at this location to ensure not messing up the vinyl. &nbsp;L=
ooks pretty good.</span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144258282=
1264_4661"><span><br></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_14425=
82821264_4661"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442582821264_4828">Progress is slo=
w but am getting all the little things completed while waiting for the chro=
me door finishers to come back in order to complete the doors as well as ge=
tting the top frame complete with center strap attached. &nbsp;We ended up =
with a 2 piece installation here. &nbsp;One from the middle bow to back bow=
 and a long piece from the header to the rear bow. &nbsp;We are not attachi=
ng the header portion until the top is installed to ensure a taught fit. &n=
bsp;Seats should be back from upholster some time in the next 2 weeks and t=
hen interior would be complete.</span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui_3_16=
_0_1_1442582821264_4661"><span><br></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui_=
3_16_0_1_1442582821264_4661"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442582821264_5127">T=
hanks again for the responses, it was a little nerve racking early this wee=
k, not thinking there was no frame belt mounting points. &nbsp;MGB inside c=
aptive nuts - Sunbeam outside interior compartment captive nuts - who knew =
- whew!</span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442582821264_4661"=
><span><br></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442582821264_4=
661"><span>Regards</span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_14425828=
21264_4661"><span>Joel Martin</span></div>  <br><div class=3D"qtdSeparateBR=
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, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <font siz=
e=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> On Thursday, September 17, 2015 2:00 PM, "CoolVT@ao=
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<div><strong>Stu, if you hit something hard enough to flip the passenger se=
at=20
forward I think you're going to have more to worry about than a seat=20
;-)</strong></div>
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y Tiger, assembled in=20
  the late summer of '66, there were mounts for lap belts under the rugs, a=
nd=20
  for the shoulder belt on the wheel arch in the rear.&nbsp; They are threa=
ded=20
  to take the standard seat belt bolt, whatever that is, because a couple s=
ets=20
  I've obtained from other cars, including a Mercedes, fit right in.=20
&nbsp;</div>
  <div class=3D"yiv0125132353gmail_default" style=3D"FONT-SIZE:small;"><br>=
</div>
  <div class=3D"yiv0125132353gmail_default" style=3D"FONT-SIZE:small;">I'm =
on the short side, and=20
  didn't like the angle of the lap belt when using the standard mounts, so =
I=20
  added a second set of mounts further forward, just by drilling holes in t=
he=20
  floor and using those giant washers intended for seat belt mounting</div>
  <div class=3D"yiv0125132353gmail_default" style=3D"FONT-SIZE:small;"><br>=
</div>
  <div class=3D"yiv0125132353gmail_default" style=3D"FONT-SIZE:small;">If y=
ou are in the seat and=20
  have your belts on, the seat should be unable to tip forward.&nbsp; The e=
mpty=20
  passenger seat is another issue...</div>
  <div class=3D"yiv0125132353gmail_default" style=3D"FONT-SIZE:small;"><br>=
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  <div class=3D"yiv0125132353gmail_default" style=3D"FONT-SIZE:small;">Stu<=
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  <div class=3D"yiv0125132353gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 8:30 AM, =
Joel Martin via Tigers=20
  <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" title=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
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    <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:16px;FONT-FAMILY:garamond, new york, times, ser=
if;COLOR:#000;BACKGROUND-COLOR:#fff;">
    <div dir=3D"ltr">I must confess, when doing metal and body work, I did =
not think=20
    ahead regarding seat belt mounting locations.&nbsp; I know with 1968 an=
d=20
    newer cars you are required to wear a seat belt but I am sure I want th=
em on=20
    any car I drive.</div>
    <div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div>
    <div dir=3D"ltr">So, what do people do regarding adding seat belts 'aft=
er'=20
    welding is out of the question with new paint completed and carpet=20
    installed?&nbsp; My MGB has welded in captive nuts for belts and should=
er=20
    strap mounting points and I guess I was thinking the Tiger MK 1A had th=
em as=20
    well - bad mistake.&nbsp; Options now?</div>
    <div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div>
    <div dir=3D"ltr">My other concern is with the seat slider where the sea=
ts=20
    'raise/tip' forward with no way to hold back of seat frame from tipping=
=20
    forward in case of front end accident.&nbsp; How have folks addressed t=
his=20
    issue or is it a none issue?</div>
    <div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div>
    <div dir=3D"ltr">Regards</div><span class=3D"yiv0125132353HOEnZb"><font=
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    <div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div>
    <div dir=3D"ltr">Joel Martin<br></div>
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Joel, 
How about a report on the type of 3 point that you used......brand  name, 
model #, retractable or non-retractable, does the center belt have a  
stiffener that sticks up or do will you have to hunt for the belt each time,  
etc...... Anyone else have info on what works well in a Tiger?
Mark

In a message dated 9/18/2015 2:41:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[email-masked] writes:

Thanks to all who responded.  3 point  belts are almost complete.  The 
wheel well nuts never had anything in  them, the car only had lap belts before, 
so re-tapping was required - rear  wheel well sides done.  I am going to get 
a few (4) small spacers for the  behind the seat attachment points so it 
does not bunch up the carpet at this  location.  

The belts came with 2 spacers for the wheel  well location in order to get 
through the vinyl and padding with a small hole  punched\cut at this 
location to ensure not messing up the vinyl.  Looks  pretty good.

Progress is slow but am getting all the  little things completed while 
waiting for the chrome door finishers to come  back in order to complete the 
doors as well as getting the top frame complete  with center strap attached.  
We ended up with a 2 piece installation  here.  One from the middle bow to 
back bow and a long piece from the  header to the rear bow.  We are not 
attaching the header portion until  the top is installed to ensure a taught fit.  
Seats should be back from  upholster some time in the next 2 weeks and then 
interior would be  complete.

Thanks again for the responses, it was a  little nerve racking early this 
week, not thinking there was no frame belt  mounting points.  MGB inside 
captive nuts - Sunbeam outside interior  compartment captive nuts - who knew - 
whew!

Regards
Joel  Martin

 
On Thursday, September 17, 2015 2:00 PM,  "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]> 
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Stu

 

Regards

Joel Martin

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  id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1442582821264_4660>Thanks to all who responded. &nbsp;=
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  <DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1442582821264_4661 dir=3Dltr><SPAN=20
  id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1442582821264_4665>The belts came with 2 spacers for=
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  <DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1442582821264_4661 dir=3Dltr><SPAN=20
  id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1442582821264_4828>Progress is slow but am getting all=
 the=20
  little things completed while waiting for the chrome door finishers to=
 come=20
  back in order to complete the doors as well as getting the top frame com=
plete=20
  with center strap attached. &nbsp;We ended up with a 2 piece installatio=
n=20
  here. &nbsp;One from the middle bow to back bow and a long piece from th=
e=20
  header to the rear bow. &nbsp;We are not attaching the header portion un=
til=20
  the top is installed to ensure a taught fit. &nbsp;Seats should be back=
 from=20
  upholster some time in the next 2 weeks and then interior would be=20
  complete.</SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1442582821264_4661 dir=3Dltr><SPAN><BR></SPAN></D=
IV>
  <DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1442582821264_4661 dir=3Dltr><SPAN=20
  id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1442582821264_5127>Thanks again for the responses, it=
 was a=20
  little nerve racking early this week, not thinking there was no frame be=
lt=20
  mounting points. &nbsp;MGB inside captive nuts - Sunbeam outside interio=
r=20
  compartment captive nuts - who knew - whew!</SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1442582821264_4661 dir=3Dltr><SPAN><BR></SPAN></D=
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  <DIV id=3Dyui_3_16_0_1_1442582821264_4661 dir=3Dltr><SPAN>Regards</SPAN>=
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  <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>On Thursday, September 17, 20=
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  <DIV><STRONG>Stu, if you hit something hard enough to flip the passenger=
 seat=20
  forward I think you're going to have more to worry about than a seat=20
  ;-)</STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  <DIV>In a message dated 9/17/2015 1:31:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,=20
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  style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px soli=
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    <DIV class=3Dyiv0125132353gmail_default style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small">In=
 my Tiger,=20
    assembled in the late summer of '66, there were mounts for lap belts=
 under=20
    the rugs, and for the shoulder belt on the wheel arch in the rear.&nbs=
p;=20
    They are threaded to take the standard seat belt bolt, whatever that=
 is,=20
    because a couple sets I've obtained from other cars, including a Merce=
des,=20
    fit right in. &nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV class=3Dyiv0125132353gmail_default style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small"><BR=
></DIV>
    <DIV class=3Dyiv0125132353gmail_default style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small">I'm=
 on the=20
    short side, and didn't like the angle of the lap belt when using the=
=20
    standard mounts, so I added a second set of mounts further forward, ju=
st by=20
    drilling holes in the floor and using those giant washers intended for=
 seat=20
    belt mounting</DIV>
    <DIV class=3Dyiv0125132353gmail_default style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small"><BR=
></DIV>
    <DIV class=3Dyiv0125132353gmail_default style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small">If=
 you are in=20
    the seat and have your belts on, the seat should be unable to tip=20
    forward.&nbsp; The empty passenger seat is another issue...</DIV>
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></DIV>
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    style=3D"FONT-SIZE: small">Stu</DIV></DIV>
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    <DIV class=3Dyiv0125132353gmail_quote>On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 8:30 AM,=
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eam.net=20
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      <DIV dir=3Dltr>I must confess, when doing metal and body work, I did=
 not=20
      think ahead regarding seat belt mounting locations.&nbsp; I know wit=
h 1968=20
      and newer cars you are required to wear a seat belt but I am sure I=
 want=20
      them on any car I drive.</DIV>
      <DIV dir=3Dltr><BR></DIV>
      <DIV dir=3Dltr>So, what do people do regarding adding seat belts 'af=
ter'=20
      welding is out of the question with new paint completed and carpet=
=20
      installed?&nbsp; My MGB has welded in captive nuts for belts and sho=
ulder=20
      strap mounting points and I guess I was thinking the Tiger MK 1A had=
 them=20
      as well - bad mistake.&nbsp; Options now?</DIV>
      <DIV dir=3Dltr><BR></DIV>
      <DIV dir=3Dltr>My other concern is with the seat slider where the se=
ats=20
      'raise/tip' forward with no way to hold back of seat frame from tipp=
ing=20
      forward in case of front end accident.&nbsp; How have folks addresse=
d this=20
      issue or is it a none issue?</DIV>
      <DIV dir=3Dltr><BR></DIV>
      <DIV dir=3Dltr>Regards</DIV><SPAN class=3Dyiv0125132353HOEnZb><FONT=
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From: Joel Martin via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2015 16:39:29 +0000 (UTC)

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Mark
The 3 point belts I used were Beams Industries, CH300 or 140578 part number=
 I believe.=C2=A0 Seats back this week hopefully and then can road test car=
.
The rear point in the wheel well came with a spacer along with the belts.=
=C2=A0 Had to punch/cut small hole in cover but with spacer in place, the b=
elt attaches nicely with no pressure on side cover.=C2=A0 If you car did no=
t have prior should harness, the bolt holes will be very rusty after taking=
 out the plastic plug on inside of wheel wells.=C2=A0 Plan to re-tap if eno=
ugh metal left.=C2=A0=20

We made 4 -7/16" by 3/8" long spacers for the bolt connections on either si=
de of seats - you might need to consider this if you go with something alon=
g these lines for belts.=C2=A0 We will wait to snug these bolts down with s=
eats and person in seats to get the correct bolt angle.=C2=A0 Picture attac=
hed for this section - wheel well picture went into never never land.

RegardsJoel Martin.
=20

     On Tuesday, September 22, 2015 9:13 AM, "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]=
om> wrote:
  =20

 Thank you Joel.Mark=C2=A0In a message dated 9/22/2015 9:11:01 A.M. Eastern=
 Daylight Time, [email-masked] writes:
  Mark=20
 I believe these were period correct style from British Victoria. =C2=A0I p=
urchased them years ago. =C2=A0Non retractable with no center belt stiffene=
r. =C2=A0The seats should come back next week, then the actual use of them =
I can discuss. =C2=A0Right now they are just installed, so I cannot tell yo=
u the ease of use with having to hunt for belt or not. =C2=A0My MGB has a s=
tiffener and in is a pain due to the length - it gets in the crack between =
the seat and the tunnel and is hard to get out.=20
 Folks have been discussing the use of MGB retractable from Moss is why I b=
ring this up.=20
 Joel=20
=20

=20

    On Friday, September 18, 2015 3:58 PM, "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]=
> wrote:

    Joel,  How about a report on the type of 3 point that you used......bra=
nd name, model #, retractable or non-retractable, does the center belt have=
 a stiffener that sticks up or do will you have to hunt for the belt each t=
ime, etc...... Anyone else have info on what works well in a Tiger? Mark =
=C2=A0  In a message dated 9/18/2015 2:41:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ti=
[email-masked] writes:=20
   Thanks to all who responded. =C2=A03 point belts are almost complete. =
=C2=A0The wheel well nuts never had anything in them, the car only had lap =
belts before, so re-tapping was required - rear wheel well sides done. =C2=
=A0I am going to get a few (4) small spacers for the behind the seat attach=
ment points so it does not bunch up the carpet at this location. =C2=A0=20
 The belts came with 2 spacers for the wheel well location in order to get =
through the vinyl and padding with a small hole punched\cut at this locatio=
n to ensure not messing up the vinyl. =C2=A0Looks pretty good.=20
 Progress is slow but am getting all the little things completed while wait=
ing for the chrome door finishers to come back in order to complete the doo=
rs as well as getting the top frame complete with center strap attached. =
=C2=A0We ended up with a 2 piece installation here. =C2=A0One from the midd=
le bow to back bow and a long piece from the header to the rear bow. =C2=A0=
We are not attaching the header portion until the top is installed to ensur=
e a taught fit. =C2=A0Seats should be back from upholster some time in the =
next 2 weeks and then interior would be complete.=20
 Thanks again for the responses, it was a little nerve racking early this w=
eek, not thinking there was no frame belt mounting points. =C2=A0MGB inside=
 captive nuts - Sunbeam outside interior compartment captive nuts - who kne=
w - whew!=20
 Regards Joel Martin
=20

    On Thursday, September 17, 2015 2:00 PM, "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]=
om> wrote:

    Stu, if you hit something hard enough to flip the passenger seat forwar=
d I think you're going to have more to worry about than a seat ;-) =C2=A0  =
In a message dated 9/17/2015 1:31:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tigers@aut=
ox.team.net writes:=20

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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:ga=
ramond, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1443=
441921845_9748">Mark</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1443441921845_9747"><br><=
/div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1443441921845_9373">The 3 point belts I used w=
ere Beams Industries, CH300 or 140578 part number I believe.&nbsp; Seats ba=
ck this week hopefully and then can road test car.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16=
_0_1_1443441921845_9415"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1443441921845_94=
14">The rear point in the wheel well came with a spacer along with the belt=
s.&nbsp; Had to punch/cut small hole in cover but with spacer in place, the=
 belt attaches nicely with no pressure on side cover.&nbsp; If you car did =
not have prior should harness, the bolt holes will be very rusty after taki=
ng out the plastic plug on inside of wheel wells.&nbsp; Plan to re-tap if e=
nough metal left.&nbsp; <br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1443441921845_937=
4"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1443441921845_9375" dir=3D"ltr">We mad=
e 4 -7/16" by 3/8" long spacers for the bolt connections on either side of =
seats - you might need to consider this if you go with something along thes=
e lines for belts.&nbsp; We will wait to snug these bolts down with seats a=
nd person in seats to get the correct bolt angle.&nbsp; Picture attached fo=
r this section - wheel well picture went into never never land.<br></div><d=
iv id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1443441921845_9667" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"=
yui_3_16_0_1_1443441921845_10206" dir=3D"ltr">Regards</div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
>Joel Martin.<br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1443441921845_9619"><span></=
span></div>  <br><div class=3D"qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div style=3D"d=
isplay: block;" class=3D"yahoo_quoted"> <div style=3D"font-family: garamond=
, new york, times, serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div style=3D"font-family: Hel=
veticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; fo=
nt-size: 16px;"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"> On Tues=
day, September 22, 2015 9:13 AM, "[email-masked]" &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wr=
ote:<br> </font> </div>  <br><br> <div class=3D"y_msg_container"><div id=3D=
"yiv9056915317"><div><font id=3D"yiv9056915317role_document" face=3D"Arial"=
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</font><div><strong>Thank you Joel.</strong></div>
<div><strong>Mark</strong></div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>
<div>In a message dated 9/22/2015 9:11:01 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,=20
[email-masked] writes:</div>
<div class=3D"yiv9056915317yqt4039986574" id=3D"yiv9056915317yqt16604"><blo=
ckquote style=3D"PADDING-LEFT:5px;MARGIN-LEFT:5px;BORDER-LEFT:blue 2px soli=
d;"><font style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;" face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#=
000000" size=3D"2">
  </font><div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:16px;FONT-FAMILY:garamond, new york, times=
, serif;COLOR:#000;BACKGROUND-COLOR:#fff;">
  <div id=3D"yiv9056915317yui_3_16_0_1_1442925766532_8458"><span>Mark</span=
></div>
  <div id=3D"yiv9056915317yui_3_16_0_1_1442925766532_8458"><span><br clear=
=3D"none"></span></div>
  <div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv9056915317yui_3_16_0_1_1442925766532_8460"><spa=
n id=3D"yiv9056915317yui_3_16_0_1_1442925766532_8459">I believe these were =
period correct style=20
  from British Victoria. &nbsp;I purchased them years ago. &nbsp;Non retrac=
table=20
  with no center belt stiffener. &nbsp;The seats should come back next week=
,=20
  then the actual use of them I can discuss. &nbsp;Right now they are just=
=20
  installed, so I cannot tell you the ease of use with having to hunt for b=
elt=20
  or not. &nbsp;My MGB has a stiffener and in is a pain due to the length -=
 it=20
  gets in the crack between the seat and the tunnel and is hard to get=20
  out.</span></div>
  <div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv9056915317yui_3_16_0_1_1442925766532_8460"><spa=
n><br clear=3D"none"></span></div>
  <div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv9056915317yui_3_16_0_1_1442925766532_8460"><spa=
n id=3D"yiv9056915317yui_3_16_0_1_1442925766532_8707">Folks have been discu=
ssing the use of MGB=20
  retractable from Moss is why I bring this up.</span></div>
  <div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv9056915317yui_3_16_0_1_1442925766532_8460"><spa=
n><br clear=3D"none"></span></div>
  <div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv9056915317yui_3_16_0_1_1442925766532_8460"><spa=
n>Joel</span></div>
  <div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv9056915317yui_3_16_0_1_1442925766532_8460"><spa=
n><br clear=3D"none"></span></div>
  <div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv9056915317yui_3_16_0_1_1442925766532_8460"><spa=
n><br clear=3D"none"></span></div><br clear=3D"none">
  <div class=3D"yiv9056915317qtdSeparateBR"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D=
"none"></div>
  <div class=3D"yiv9056915317yahoo_quoted" style=3D"DISPLAY:block;">
  <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:16px;FONT-FAMILY:garamond, new york, times, serif=
;">
  <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:16px;FONT-FAMILY:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, H=
elvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;">
  <div dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">On Friday, September 18,=
 2015 3:58 PM,=20
  "[email-masked]" &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"></font><=
/div><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">
  <div class=3D"yiv9056915317y_msg_container">
  <div id=3D"yiv9056915317">
  <div><font id=3D"yiv9056915317role_document" face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#000=
000" size=3D"3"></font>
  <div><strong>Joel, </strong></div>
  <div><strong>How about a report on the type of 3 point that you=20
  used......brand name, model #, retractable or non-retractable, does the c=
enter=20
  belt have a stiffener that sticks up or do will you have to hunt for the =
belt=20
  each time, etc...... Anyone else have info on what works well in a=20
  Tiger?</strong></div>
  <div><strong>Mark</strong></div>
  <div>&nbsp;</div>
  <div>
  <div>In a message dated 9/18/2015 2:41:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,=20
  [email-masked] writes:</div>
  <blockquote style=3D"PADDING-LEFT:5px;MARGIN-LEFT:5px;BORDER-LEFT:blue 2p=
x solid;"><font style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;" face=3D"Arial" colo=
r=3D"#000000" size=3D"2"></font>
    <div class=3D"yiv9056915317yqt9815054012" id=3D"yiv9056915317yqt92895">
    <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:16px;FONT-FAMILY:garamond, new york, times, ser=
if;COLOR:#000;BACKGROUND-COLOR:#fff;">
    <div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv9056915317yui_3_16_0_1_1442582821264_4661"><s=
pan id=3D"yiv9056915317yui_3_16_0_1_1442582821264_4660">Thanks to all who r=
esponded.=20
    &nbsp;3 point belts are almost complete. &nbsp;The wheel well nuts neve=
r had=20
    anything in them, the car only had lap belts before, so re-tapping was=
=20
    required - rear wheel well sides done. &nbsp;I am going to get a few (4=
)=20
    small spacers for the behind the seat attachment points so it does not =
bunch=20
    up the carpet at this location. &nbsp;</span></div>
    <div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv9056915317yui_3_16_0_1_1442582821264_4661"><s=
pan><br clear=3D"none"></span></div>
    <div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv9056915317yui_3_16_0_1_1442582821264_4661"><s=
pan id=3D"yiv9056915317yui_3_16_0_1_1442582821264_4665">The belts came with=
 2=20
    spacers for the wheel well location in order to get through the vinyl a=
nd=20
    padding with a small hole punched\cut at this location to ensure not me=
ssing=20
    up the vinyl. &nbsp;Looks pretty good.</span></div>
    <div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv9056915317yui_3_16_0_1_1442582821264_4661"><s=
pan><br clear=3D"none"></span></div>
    <div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv9056915317yui_3_16_0_1_1442582821264_4661"><s=
pan id=3D"yiv9056915317yui_3_16_0_1_1442582821264_4828">Progress is slow bu=
t am=20
    getting all the little things completed while waiting for the chrome do=
or=20
    finishers to come back in order to complete the doors as well as gettin=
g the=20
    top frame complete with center strap attached. &nbsp;We ended up with a=
 2=20
    piece installation here. &nbsp;One from the middle bow to back bow and =
a=20
    long piece from the header to the rear bow. &nbsp;We are not attaching =
the=20
    header portion until the top is installed to ensure a taught fit.=20
    &nbsp;Seats should be back from upholster some time in the next 2 weeks=
 and=20
    then interior would be complete.</span></div>
    <div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv9056915317yui_3_16_0_1_1442582821264_4661"><s=
pan><br clear=3D"none"></span></div>
    <div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv9056915317yui_3_16_0_1_1442582821264_4661"><s=
pan id=3D"yiv9056915317yui_3_16_0_1_1442582821264_5127">Thanks again for th=
e=20
    responses, it was a little nerve racking early this week, not thinking =
there=20
    was no frame belt mounting points. &nbsp;MGB inside captive nuts - Sunb=
eam=20
    outside interior compartment captive nuts - who knew - whew!</span></di=
v>
    <div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv9056915317yui_3_16_0_1_1442582821264_4661"><s=
pan><br clear=3D"none"></span></div>
    <div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv9056915317yui_3_16_0_1_1442582821264_4661"><s=
pan>Regards</span></div>
    <div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv9056915317yui_3_16_0_1_1442582821264_4661"><s=
pan>Joel=20
    Martin</span></div><br clear=3D"none">
    <div class=3D"yiv9056915317qtdSeparateBR"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=
=3D"none"></div>
    <div class=3D"yiv9056915317yahoo_quoted" style=3D"DISPLAY:block;">
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if;">
    <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:16px;FONT-FAMILY:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue,=
 Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;">
    <div dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">On Thursday, September=
 17, 2015 2:00=20
    PM, "[email-masked]" &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"></=
font></div><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">
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    <div><font id=3D"yiv9056915317role_document" face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0=
00000" size=3D"3"></font>
    <div><strong>Stu, if you hit something hard enough to flip the passenge=
r=20
    seat forward I think you're going to have more to worry about than a se=
at=20
    ;-)</strong></div>
    <div>&nbsp;</div>
    <div>
    <div>In a message dated 9/17/2015 1:31:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,=
=20
    [email-masked] writes:</div>
    <blockquote style=3D"PADDING-LEFT:5px;MARGIN-LEFT:5px;BORDER-LEFT:blue =
2px solid;"><font style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;" face=3D"Arial" co=
lor=3D"#000000" size=3D"2"></font>
      <div dir=3D"ltr">
      <div class=3D"yiv9056915317gmail_default" style=3D"FONT-SIZE:small;">=
In my=20
      Tiger, assembled in the late summer of '66, there were mounts for lap=
=20
      belts under the rugs, and for the shoulder belt on the wheel arch in =
the=20
      rear.&nbsp; They are threaded to take the standard seat belt bolt,=20
      whatever that is, because a couple sets I've obtained from other cars=
,=20
      including a Mercedes, fit right in. &nbsp;</div>
      <div class=3D"yiv9056915317gmail_default" style=3D"FONT-SIZE:small;">=
<br clear=3D"none"></div>
      <div class=3D"yiv9056915317gmail_default" style=3D"FONT-SIZE:small;">=
I'm on the=20
      short side, and didn't like the angle of the lap belt when using the=
=20
      standard mounts, so I added a second set of mounts further forward, j=
ust=20
      by drilling holes in the floor and using those giant washers intended=
 for=20
      seat belt mounting</div>
      <div class=3D"yiv9056915317gmail_default" style=3D"FONT-SIZE:small;">=
<br clear=3D"none"></div>
      <div class=3D"yiv9056915317gmail_default" style=3D"FONT-SIZE:small;">=
If you are=20
      in the seat and have your belts on, the seat should be unable to tip=
=20
      forward.&nbsp; The empty passenger seat is another issue...</div>
      <div class=3D"yiv9056915317gmail_default" style=3D"FONT-SIZE:small;">=
<br clear=3D"none"></div>
      <div class=3D"yiv9056915317gmail_default" style=3D"FONT-SIZE:small;">=
Stu</div></div>
      <div class=3D"yiv9056915317gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"none">
      <div class=3D"yiv9056915317gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 8:30 =
AM, Joel=20
      Martin via Tigers <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"=
rect" title=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" ymailto=3D"mailto:tigers@autox=
.team.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">tigers@a=
utox.team.net</a>&gt;</span>=20
      wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
      <blockquote class=3D"yiv9056915317gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT:=
1ex;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;">
        <div>
        <div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:16px;FONT-FAMILY:garamond, new york, times,=
 serif;COLOR:#000;BACKGROUND-COLOR:#fff;">
        <div dir=3D"ltr">I must confess, when doing metal and body work, I =
did not=20
        think ahead regarding seat belt mounting locations.&nbsp; I know wi=
th=20
        1968 and newer cars you are required to wear a seat belt but I am s=
ure I=20
        want them on any car I drive.</div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr">So, what do people do regarding adding seat belts =
'after'=20
        welding is out of the question with new paint completed and carpet=
=20
        installed?&nbsp; My MGB has welded in captive nuts for belts and=20
        shoulder strap mounting points and I guess I was thinking the Tiger=
 MK=20
        1A had them as well - bad mistake.&nbsp; Options now?</div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr">My other concern is with the seat slider where the=
 seats=20
        'raise/tip' forward with no way to hold back of seat frame from tip=
ping=20
        forward in case of front end accident.&nbsp; How have folks address=
ed=20
        this issue or is it a none issue?</div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr">Regards</div><span class=3D"yiv9056915317HOEnZb"><=
font color=3D"#888888"></font></span>
        <div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr">Joel Martin<br clear=3D"none"></div>
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