Subject: Re: [Tigers] Seat Belts and Seat Slider

From: michael king via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 22:33:40 +1000

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Joel,

The sunbeams have from series alpines though tiger mounting points for 3
point belts.

There are 2 points on the floor on each side of the car for the lap mounts
at the rear of the rear floorplans, the shoulder mount goes through into
the rear wheel well with a captive nut that's plugged by a nylon screw that
you can see if you put your head in the rear wheel arch.
On 17 Sep 2015 10:30 pm, "Joel Martin via Tigers" <[email-masked]>
wrote:

> I must confess, when doing metal and body work, I did not think ahead
> regarding seat belt mounting locations.  I know with 1968 and newer cars
> you are required to wear a seat belt but I am sure I want them on any car I
> drive.
>
> So, what do people do regarding adding seat belts 'after' welding is out
> of the question with new paint completed and carpet installed?  My MGB has
> welded in captive nuts for belts and shoulder strap mounting points and I
> guess I was thinking the Tiger MK 1A had them as well - bad mistake.
> Options now?
>
> My other concern is with the seat slider where the seats 'raise/tip'
> forward with no way to hold back of seat frame from tipping forward in case
> of front end accident.  How have folks addressed this issue or is it a none
> issue?
>
> Regards
>
> Joel Martin
>
>
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<p dir=3D"ltr">Joel,</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">The sunbeams have from series alpines though tiger mounting =
points for 3 point belts.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">There are 2 points on the floor on each side of the car for =
the lap mounts at the rear of the rear floorplans, the shoulder mount goes =
through into the rear wheel well with a captive nut that&#39;s plugged by a=
 nylon screw that you can see if you put your head in the rear wheel arch.<=
/p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 17 Sep 2015 10:30 pm, &quot;Joel Martin via T=
igers&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked].=
net</a>&gt; wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote=
" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><=
div><div style=3D"color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:garamond,new=
 york,times,serif;font-size:16px"><div dir=3D"ltr">I must confess, when doi=
ng metal and body work, I did not think ahead regarding seat belt mounting =
locations.=C2=A0 I know with 1968 and newer cars you are required to wear a=
 seat belt but I am sure I want them on any car I drive.</div><div dir=3D"l=
tr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">So, what do people do regarding adding seat =
belts &#39;after&#39; welding is out of the question with new paint complet=
ed and carpet installed?=C2=A0 My MGB has welded in captive nuts for belts =
and shoulder strap mounting points and I guess I was thinking the Tiger MK =
1A had them as well - bad mistake.=C2=A0 Options now?</div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">My other concern is with the seat slider where =
the seats &#39;raise/tip&#39; forward with no way to hold back of seat fram=
e from tipping forward in case of front end accident.=C2=A0 How have folks =
addressed this issue or is it a none issue?</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div=
><div dir=3D"ltr">Regards</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=
Joel Martin<br></div><div><br></div></div></div><br>_______________________=
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From: Stu via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 08:39:15 -0400

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In my Tiger, assembled in the late summer of '66, there were mounts for lap
belts under the rugs, and for the shoulder belt on the wheel arch in the
rear.  They are threaded to take the standard seat belt bolt, whatever that
is, because a couple sets I've obtained from other cars, including a
Mercedes, fit right in.

I'm on the short side, and didn't like the angle of the lap belt when using
the standard mounts, so I added a second set of mounts further forward,
just by drilling holes in the floor and using those giant washers intended
for seat belt mounting

If you are in the seat and have your belts on, the seat should be unable to
tip forward.  The empty passenger seat is another issue...

Stu

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">In =
my Tiger, assembled in the late summer of &#39;66, there were mounts for la=
p belts under the rugs, and for the shoulder belt on the wheel arch in the =
rear.=C2=A0 They are threaded to take the standard seat belt bolt, whatever=
 that is, because a couple sets I&#39;ve obtained from other cars, includin=
g a Mercedes, fit right in. =C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-s=
ize:small">I&#39;m on the short side, and didn&#39;t like the angle of the =
lap belt when using the standard mounts, so I added a second set of mounts =
further forward, just by drilling holes in the floor and using those giant =
washers intended for seat belt mounting</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" s=
tyle=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fo=
nt-size:small">If you are in the seat and have your belts on, the seat shou=
ld be unable to tip forward.=C2=A0 The empty passenger seat is another issu=
e...</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div>=
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Stu</div></div><div =
class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 a=
t 8:30 AM, Joel Martin via Tigers <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:t=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span=
> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style=3D"color:#000;ba=
ckground-color:#fff;font-family:garamond,new york,times,serif;font-size:16p=
x"><div dir=3D"ltr">I must confess, when doing metal and body work, I did n=
ot think ahead regarding seat belt mounting locations.=C2=A0 I know with 19=
68 and newer cars you are required to wear a seat belt but I am sure I want=
 them on any car I drive.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=
So, what do people do regarding adding seat belts &#39;after&#39; welding i=
s out of the question with new paint completed and carpet installed?=C2=A0 =
My MGB has welded in captive nuts for belts and shoulder strap mounting poi=
nts and I guess I was thinking the Tiger MK 1A had them as well - bad mista=
ke.=C2=A0 Options now?</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">My =
other concern is with the seat slider where the seats &#39;raise/tip&#39; f=
orward with no way to hold back of seat frame from tipping forward in case =
of front end accident.=C2=A0 How have folks addressed this issue or is it a=
 none issue?</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Regards</div>=
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><=
div dir=3D"ltr">Joel Martin<br></div><div><br></div></font></span></div></d=
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From: Joel Martin via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 13:24:29 +0000 (UTC)

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Ok, after the first email from Michael King, I have found all three mountin=
g points per side.=C2=A0 The panic has now subsided.=C2=A0=20

My thought on the shoulder harness mounting point, which goes through the n=
ice new vinyl side cover is to use a spacer through the vinyl as to not cru=
sh it.=C2=A0 Right track?
Regards and thank you.

Joel Martin
=20

     On Thursday, September 17, 2015 9:16 AM, Ron Fraser <rfraser@bluefrog.=
com> wrote:
  =20

 MessageJoel=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 My Mk 1A has nuts welded=C2=A0undernea=
th=C2=A0to the floor pan for the seat belts.=C2=A0 The nuts have a short sh=
oulder=C2=A0machined into them so they stick up near=C2=A0flush to the insi=
de floor pan.=C2=A0I believe those seat belt bolt positions were standard.=
=C2=A0 There is also a position for a shoulder harness belt on the rear whe=
el wells - mine were welded over.=C2=A0I see few choices if you welded up t=
hese positions.=C2=A0 You can drill new holes and weld nuts to the floor pa=
n then touch up the paint.Bolt in hardware kit - bolt, large washer, nut - =
no paint touch upEyebolt hardware kit - eyebolt, large washer, nut - no pai=
nt touch up - hook and latch style seat belts required.=C2=A0If your buckle=
d into the seat it=C2=A0 is not going to tip.If your concern is with the em=
pty seat tipping - fasten that seat belt to limit its movement.=C2=A0Ron Fr=
aser
  -----Original Message-----
From: Tigers [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Joel Marti=
n via Tigers
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 8:30 AM
To: Tiger List Serve
Subject: [Tigers] Seat Belts and Seat Slider

  I must confess, when doing metal and body work, I did not think ahead reg=
arding seat belt mounting locations.=C2=A0 I know with 1968 and newer cars =
you are required to wear a seat belt but I am sure I want them on any car I=
 drive.=20
 So, what do people do regarding adding seat belts 'after' welding is out o=
f the question with new paint completed and carpet installed?=C2=A0 My MGB =
has welded in captive nuts for belts and shoulder strap mounting points and=
 I guess I was thinking the Tiger MK 1A had them as well - bad mistake.=C2=
=A0 Options now?=20
 My other concern is with the seat slider where the seats 'raise/tip' forwa=
rd with no way to hold back of seat frame from tipping forward in case of f=
ront end accident.=C2=A0 How have folks addressed this issue or is it a non=
e issue?=20
 Regards=20
 Joel Martin
=20

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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:ga=
ramond, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442=
492271710_17399">Ok, after the first email from Michael King, I have found =
all three mounting points per side.&nbsp; The panic has now subsided.&nbsp;=
 <br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442492271710_17400"><br></div><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442492271710_17402">My thought on the shoulder harness mo=
unting point, which goes through the nice new vinyl side cover is to use a =
spacer through the vinyl as to not crush it.&nbsp; Right track?</div><div i=
d=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442492271710_17534"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_14=
42492271710_17636">Regards and thank you.<br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_=
1442492271710_17896"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442492271710_17895"=
>Joel Martin<br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442492271710_17401"><span></=
span></div>  <br><div class=3D"qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div style=3D"d=
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, new york, times, serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div style=3D"font-family: Hel=
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nt-size: 16px;"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"> On Thur=
sday, September 17, 2015 9:16 AM, Ron Fraser &lt;[email-masked]&gt; w=
rote:<br> </font> </div>  <br><br> <div class=3D"y_msg_container"><div id=
=3D"yiv7389623530"><title>Message</title><div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2"><span class=3D"yiv73=
89623530593474212-17092015">Joel</span></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2"><span class=3D"yiv73=
89623530593474212-17092015"></span></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2"><span class=3D"yiv73=
89623530593474212-17092015">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; My Mk 1A has nuts=20
welded&nbsp;underneath&nbsp;to the floor pan for the seat belts.&nbsp; The =
nuts=20
have a short shoulder&nbsp;machined into them so they stick up near&nbsp;fl=
ush=20
to the inside floor pan.</span></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2"><span class=3D"yiv73=
89623530593474212-17092015"></span></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2"><span class=3D"yiv73=
89623530593474212-17092015">I=20
believe those seat belt bolt positions were standard.&nbsp; There is also a=
=20
position for a shoulder harness belt on the rear wheel wells - mine were we=
lded=20
over.</span></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2"><span class=3D"yiv73=
89623530593474212-17092015"></span></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2"><span class=3D"yiv73=
89623530593474212-17092015">I see=20
few choices if you welded up these positions.&nbsp; You can drill new holes=
 and=20
weld nuts to the floor pan then touch up the paint.</span></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2"><span class=3D"yiv73=
89623530593474212-17092015">Bolt=20
in hardware kit - bolt, large washer, nut - no paint touch=20
up</span></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2"><span class=3D"yiv73=
89623530593474212-17092015">Eyebolt hardware kit - eyebolt, large washer, n=
ut - no=20
paint touch up - hook and latch style seat belts required.</span></font></d=
iv>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2"><span class=3D"yiv73=
89623530593474212-17092015"></span></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2"><span class=3D"yiv73=
89623530593474212-17092015">If=20
your buckled into the seat it&nbsp; is not going to tip.</span></font></div=
<div><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2"><span class=3D"yiv73=
89623530593474212-17092015">If=20
your concern is with the empty seat tipping - fasten that seat belt to limi=
t its=20
movement.</span></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2"><span class=3D"yiv73=
89623530593474212-17092015"></span></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font face=3D"Arial" color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2"><span class=3D"yiv73=
89623530593474212-17092015">Ron=20
Fraser</span></font></div>
<blockquote dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT:0px;">
  <div></div>
  <div class=3D"yiv7389623530yqt2934187514" id=3D"yiv7389623530yqt33445"><d=
iv class=3D"yiv7389623530OutlookMessageHeader" dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left" l=
ang=3D"en-us"><font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2">-----Original Message-----<b=
r clear=3D"none"><b>From:</b> Tigers=20
  [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Joel Martin vi=
a=20
  Tigers<br clear=3D"none"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 17, 2015 8:30 A=
M<br clear=3D"none"><b>To:</b>=20
  Tiger List Serve<br clear=3D"none"><b>Subject:</b> [Tigers] Seat Belts an=
d Seat=20
  Slider<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></font></div>
  <div style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR:#fff;FONT-FAMILY:garamond, new york, times=
, serif;COLOR:#000;FONT-SIZE:16px;">
  <div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv7389623530yui_3_16_0_1_1442492271710_4472">I mu=
st confess, when doing=20
  metal and body work, I did not think ahead regarding seat belt mounting=
=20
  locations.&nbsp; I know with 1968 and newer cars you are required to wear=
 a=20
  seat belt but I am sure I want them on any car I drive.</div>
  <div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv7389623530yui_3_16_0_1_1442492271710_4473"><br =
clear=3D"none"></div>
  <div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv7389623530yui_3_16_0_1_1442492271710_4474">So, =
what do people do=20
  regarding adding seat belts 'after' welding is out of the question with n=
ew=20
  paint completed and carpet installed?&nbsp; My MGB has welded in captive =
nuts=20
  for belts and shoulder strap mounting points and I guess I was thinking t=
he=20
  Tiger MK 1A had them as well - bad mistake.&nbsp; Options now?</div>
  <div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv7389623530yui_3_16_0_1_1442492271710_4488"><br =
clear=3D"none"></div>
  <div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv7389623530yui_3_16_0_1_1442492271710_4512">My o=
ther concern is with the=20
  seat slider where the seats 'raise/tip' forward with no way to hold back =
of=20
  seat frame from tipping forward in case of front end accident.&nbsp; How =
have=20
  folks addressed this issue or is it a none issue?</div>
  <div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div>
  <div dir=3D"ltr">Regards</div>
  <div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div>
  <div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv7389623530yui_3_16_0_1_1442492271710_4513">Joel=
 Martin<br clear=3D"none"></div>
  <div><br clear=3D"none"></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><br><b=
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From: Larry Paulick via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 09:29:23 -0400

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Go to Tiger United and look for the 2 seat belt articles.

Larry

On Sep 17, 2015, at 8:30 AM, Joel Martin via Tigers =
<[email-masked]> wrote:

> I must confess, when doing metal and body work, I did not think ahead =
regarding seat belt mounting locations.  I know with 1968 and newer cars =
you are required to wear a seat belt but I am sure I want them on any =
car I drive.
>=20
> So, what do people do regarding adding seat belts 'after' welding is =
out of the question with new paint completed and carpet installed?  My =
MGB has welded in captive nuts for belts and shoulder strap mounting =
points and I guess I was thinking the Tiger MK 1A had them as well - bad =
mistake.  Options now?
>=20
> My other concern is with the seat slider where the seats 'raise/tip' =
forward with no way to hold back of seat frame from tipping forward in =
case of front end accident.  How have folks addressed this issue or is =
it a none issue?
> Unsubscribe: =
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">Go to =
Tiger United and look for the 2 seat belt =
articles.<div><br></div><div>Larry</div><div><br><div><div>On Sep 17, =
2015, at 8:30 AM, Joel Martin via Tigers &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div><div style=3D"background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); =
font-family: garamond, 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 16px;"><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442492271710_4472" dir=3D"ltr">I must confess, when =
doing metal and body work, I did not think ahead regarding seat belt =
mounting locations.&nbsp; I know with 1968 and newer cars you are =
required to wear a seat belt but I am sure I want them on any car I =
drive.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442492271710_4473" =
dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442492271710_4474" =
dir=3D"ltr">So, what do people do regarding adding seat belts 'after' =
welding is out of the question with new paint completed and carpet =
installed?&nbsp; My MGB has welded in captive nuts for belts and =
shoulder strap mounting points and I guess I was thinking the Tiger MK =
1A had them as well - bad mistake.&nbsp; Options now?</div><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442492271710_4488" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442492271710_4512" dir=3D"ltr">My other concern is =
with the seat slider where the seats 'raise/tip' forward with no way to =
hold back of seat frame from tipping forward in case of front end =
accident.&nbsp; How have folks addressed this issue or is it a none =
issue?</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Regards</div><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1442492271710_4513" =
dir=3D"ltr">Joel =
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