Subject: Re: [Tigers] This isn't fun anymore...

From: michael king via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 11:46:57 +1000

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Stu,

Iirc the stock autolite carb has a reputation for lighting up just as you
described.. Maybe stuck power valve? It's normally a fire hazard on a
restart..  The only known solution to ensure it never happens is a carb
swap... That said hopefully a carb rebuild and regular checking can prevent
it occurring again.

Also... Valuable reminder to everyone... CARRY A FIRE EXTINGUISHER!!!!
Also be very careful opening a bonnet if you suspect fire..  You feed the
flames and it gets bigger faster... If you can spray extinguisher from
under the car or via a gap its safer.. But not always practical.. So if you
have to open the bonnet have your extinguisher of choice ready to go.

Sorry to hear about your bad luck..  But at least it's minor damage.
On 31 Aug 2015 11:38, "Stu via Tigers" <[email-masked]> wrote:

> I took the Tiger out today for a little cruise with my son driving (don=
=E2=80=99t
> panic, Hagerty, he=E2=80=99s over 25).  When we got home I noticed that t=
he trunk
> was a little out of alignment.  The nut on the fixed part of the right si=
de
> hinge was loose.  No problem, tighten it up.  Only it wouldn=E2=80=99t ti=
ghten.  It
> feels like the stud is pulling out of the hinge body.  OK, I may have a
> spare hinge, if not, I can probably turn one up.
>
>
> No big deal, right?  But wait, the fun was just starting.
>
>
>  I was going to drive it back into the garage.  The key was on a few
> seconds while I readjusted the seat from my son=E2=80=99s position.  Then=
 it took
> longer than normal to start, then smoke came out from under the hood.  Ke=
y
> off.  There=E2=80=99s a lot of heat coming out=E2=80=A6  I pulled the hoo=
d release and
> could see flames=E2=80=A6   Opening the hood, flames were coming up from =
the front
> of the carb area.  The garden hose was right there, so I gave it a squirt=
,
> cooling everything off, and the flames went out.
>
>
>  The front of the air cleaner is sort or singed, the element needs an
> inspection, the bottom of the hood is black and bubbled right over there,
> and there is one huge bubble on the outside of the hood.  Wiring looks OK=
,
> if a bit singed, and the plastic section that joins the choke heater down
> pipe to the air cleaner is melted.
>
>
> After things cooled off, we powered it up again, with the air cleaner
> off.  The pump was on, but everything was perfect, no fuel coming out
> anywhere.   It started and ran fine.
>
>
> So I=E2=80=99m guessing that something is going on in the float bowl, the=
 valve
> occasionally sticking open or something.  There had been a couple instanc=
es
> of brief loss of power, and rough running this summer, so I suspect this =
is
> related.
>
>
> I cleaned and replaced a lot of stuff in the carb maybe a decade back.
> Anybody have any part numbers for rebuild kits that are available today?
> What Ford should I tell them I have to get the kit for a stock 260 Tiger
> carb?
>
>
> The fun is going out of this real quick.  Now I=E2=80=99m faced with matc=
hing the
> paint on the hood ( Imron from 1977), or a whole strip and repaint to get
> things to match, since there are too many layers of paint on it now.
>
>
> How was your day?
>
>
> Stu
>
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<p dir=3D"ltr">Stu,</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Iirc the stock autolite carb has a reputation for lighting u=
p just as you described.. Maybe stuck power valve? It&#39;s normally a fire=
 hazard on a restart..=C2=A0 The only known solution to ensure it never hap=
pens is a carb swap... That said hopefully a carb rebuild and regular check=
ing can prevent it occurring again.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Also... Valuable reminder to everyone... CARRY A FIRE EXTING=
UISHER!!!!=C2=A0 Also be very careful opening a bonnet if you suspect fire.=
.=C2=A0 You feed the flames and it gets bigger faster... If you can spray e=
xtinguisher from under the car or via a gap its safer.. But not always prac=
tical.. So if you have to open the bonnet have your extinguisher of choice =
ready to go.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Sorry to hear about your bad luck..=C2=A0 But at least it&#3=
9;s minor damage.</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 31 Aug 2015 11:38, &quot;Stu via Tigers&quot;=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
 wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"=
ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal">I took the Tiger out today for a little cruise with my son
driving (don=E2=80=99t panic, Hagerty, he=E2=80=99s over 25).=C2=A0 When we=
 got home I noticed that the trunk was
a little out of alignment.=C2=A0 The nut on the fixed
part of the right side hinge was loose.=C2=A0
No problem, tighten it up.=C2=A0 Only
it wouldn=E2=80=99t tighten.=C2=A0 It feels like the
stud is pulling out of the hinge body.=C2=A0 OK, I may have a spare hinge, =
if not, I can probably
turn one up.</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal">No big deal, right?=C2=A0
But wait, the fun was just starting.</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0I was going to drive
it back into the garage.=C2=A0 The key was on
a few seconds while I readjusted the seat from my son=E2=80=99s position.=
=C2=A0 Then it=C2=A0took longer than normal to start, then
smoke came out from under the hood.=C2=A0 Key
off.=C2=A0 There=E2=80=99s a lot of heat coming out=E2=80=A6=C2=A0 I pulled=
 the hood release and could see
flames=E2=80=A6=C2=A0=C2=A0 Opening the hood, flames were
coming up from the front of the carb area.=C2=A0
The garden hose was right there, so I gave it a squirt, cooling everything
off, and the flames went out.</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0The front of the air
cleaner is sort or singed, the element needs an inspection, the bottom of t=
he
hood is black and bubbled right over there, and there is one huge bubble on=
 the
outside of the hood.=C2=A0 Wiring looks OK, if
a bit singed, and the plastic section that joins the choke heater down pipe=
 to
the air cleaner is melted.</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal">After things cooled off, we powered it up again, wit=
h the
air cleaner off.=C2=A0 The pump was on, but
everything was perfect, no fuel coming out anywhere.=C2=A0=C2=A0 It started=
 and ran fine.</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal">So I=E2=80=99m guessing that something is going on i=
n the float bowl,
the valve occasionally sticking open or something.=C2=A0 There had been a c=
ouple instances of brief loss
of power, and rough running this summer, so I suspect this is related.</p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I cleaned and replace=
d a lot of stuff in the carb maybe a
decade back.=C2=A0 Anybody have any part
numbers for rebuild kits that are available today?=C2=A0 What Ford should I=
 tell them I have to get
the kit for a stock 260 Tiger carb?</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The fun is going out of this real quick.=C2=A0 Now I=
=E2=80=99m faced with matching the paint on the
hood ( Imron from 1977), or a whole strip and repaint to get things to matc=
h,
since there are too many layers of paint on it now.</p><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><br></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">How was your day?</p><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><br></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Stu</p></div></div>
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From: Jay Laifman via Tigers <[email-masked]>
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Stu,

I agree with you.  This kind of stuff drives me nuts, and it isn't fun.  In
the 35+ years that I have been driving and maintaining Sunbeams and other
cars, I have found that I DO NOT like chasing down parts and dealing with
things that break, especially when it is hard to find the right part, or
taking off the old part causes a bolt to break, or the part comes and it
doesn't fit or it's not as good as the old parts, or the threads strip
putting in on and on and on and on.

I have to admit that my experiences with Porsches have a been a bit
better.  Parts tend to come off easier, and replacement parts tend to fit
like they are supposed to.  But, it doesn't eliminate the frustration.

I have found that for me, the biggest pleasure is getting out and driving
the car.

That said, I happily brag about those 35 years.  And every time I've gotten
a car running again and the frustration is behind me, I feel a great sense
of accomplishment and I get even more emotionally attached to the car
(necrophilism I think it's called - at least that's what a college
girlfriend who was a psych major accused me of).

One final point, I've also found that when I've dived in 100% and fixed
things with the best parts available, and fixed more than needed, I've had
much more reliability.

I wish you look in breaking through the disappointment/frustration/anger
barrier to enjoying your car again.

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Stu,<div><br></div><div>I agree with you.=C2=A0 This kind =
of stuff drives me nuts, and it isn&#39;t fun.=C2=A0 In the 35+ years that =
I have been driving and maintaining Sunbeams and other cars, I have found t=
hat I DO NOT like chasing down parts and dealing with things that break, es=
pecially when it is hard to find the right part, or taking off the old part=
 causes a bolt to break, or the part comes and it doesn&#39;t fit or it&#39=
;s not as good as the old parts, or the threads strip putting in on and on =
and on and on.</div><div><br></div><div>I have to admit that my experiences=
 with Porsches have a been a bit better.=C2=A0 Parts tend to come off easie=
r, and replacement parts tend to fit like they are supposed to.=C2=A0 But, =
it doesn&#39;t eliminate the frustration.</div><div><br></div><div>I have f=
ound that for me, the biggest pleasure is getting out and driving the car.<=
/div><div><br></div><div>That said, I happily brag about those 35 years.=C2=
=A0 And every time I&#39;ve gotten a car running again and the frustration =
is behind me, I feel a great sense of accomplishment and I get even more em=
otionally attached to the car (necrophilism I think it&#39;s called - at le=
ast that&#39;s what a college girlfriend who was a psych major accused me o=
f).</div><div><br></div><div>One final point, I&#39;ve also found that when=
 I&#39;ve dived in 100% and fixed things with the best parts available, and=
 fixed more than needed, I&#39;ve had much more reliability.</div><div><br>=
</div><div>I wish you look in breaking through the disappointment/frustrati=
on/anger barrier to enjoying your car again.</div></div><div class=3D"gmail=
_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 6:37 PM, Stu=
 via Tigers <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc sol=
id;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D=
"font-size:small"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I took the Tiger out today for a l=
ittle cruise with my son
driving (don=E2=80=99t panic, Hagerty, he=E2=80=99s over 25).=C2=A0 When we=
 got home I noticed that the trunk was
a little out of alignment.=C2=A0 The nut on the fixed
part of the right side hinge was loose.=C2=A0
No problem, tighten it up.=C2=A0 Only
it wouldn=E2=80=99t tighten.=C2=A0 It feels like the
stud is pulling out of the hinge body.=C2=A0 OK, I may have a spare hinge, =
if not, I can probably
turn one up.</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The fun is going out of this real quick.=C2=A0 Now I=
=E2=80=99m faced with matching the paint on the
hood ( Imron from 1977), or a whole strip and repaint to get things to matc=
h,
since there are too many layers of paint on it now.</p><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><br></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">How was your day?</p><span class=3D"HOEnZ=
b"><font color=3D"#888888"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal">Stu</p></font></span></div></div>
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Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 11:26:54 -0400

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Stu,

Sorry to hear about your crappy day.  I had a day like that many years =
ago.  Had rebuilt the carb and had forgotten to tighten the float valve =
seats into the carb body.  Gas came out of the carb overflow.  In my =
infinite wisdom I had decided to turn the key on and wait for the pump =
to stop.  When the pump didn=E2=80=99t stop, instead of realizing that =
there was something wrong, I cranked the engine.  There was a great =
Whoosh! and a large black blister began growing on the hood.  Was =
fortunate to get the car to a neighbor=E2=80=99s hose and douse the =
flames.  Aside from the obvious repaint, had to do harness repairs, =
replace ignition wires and some other stuff.  Just a word of caution, =
when you rebuild the carb, make sure that the float valve seats are =
tight or you may be in for another crappy day.

Will - [email-masked]
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From: Stu via Tigers=20
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 9:37 PM
To: Tiger Net=20
Subject: [Tigers] This isn't fun anymore...

I took the Tiger out today for a little cruise with my son driving =
(don=E2=80=99t panic, Hagerty, he=E2=80=99s over 25).  When we got home =
I noticed that the trunk was a little out of alignment.  The nut on the =
fixed part of the right side hinge was loose.  No problem, tighten it =
up.  Only it wouldn=E2=80=99t tighten.  It feels like the stud is =
pulling out of the hinge body.  OK, I may have a spare hinge, if not, I =
can probably turn one up.

I was going to drive it back into the garage.  The key was on a few =
seconds while I readjusted the seat from my son=E2=80=99s position.  =
Then it took longer than normal to start, then smoke came out from under =
the hood.  Key off.  There=E2=80=99s a lot of heat coming out=E2=80=A6  =
I pulled the hood release and could see flames=E2=80=A6   Opening the =
hood, flames were coming up from the front of the carb area.  The garden =
hose was right there, so I gave it a squirt, cooling everything off, and =
the flames went out.

The front of the air cleaner is sort or singed, the element needs an =
inspection, the bottom of the hood is black and bubbled right over =
there, and there is one huge bubble on the outside of the hood.  Wiring =
looks OK, if a bit singed, and the plastic section that joins the choke =
heater down pipe to the air cleaner is melted.

After things cooled off, we powered it up again, with the air cleaner =
off.  The pump was on, but everything was perfect, no fuel coming out =
anywhere.   It started and ran fine.

So I=E2=80=99m guessing that something is going on in the float bowl, =
the valve occasionally sticking open or something.  There had been a =
couple instances of brief loss of power, and rough running this summer, =
so I suspect this is related.

I cleaned and replaced a lot of stuff in the carb maybe a decade back.  =
Anybody have any part numbers for rebuild kits that are available today? =
 What Ford should I tell them I have to get the kit for a stock 260 =
Tiger carb?

The fun is going out of this real quick.  Now I=E2=80=99m faced with =
matching the paint on the hood ( Imron from 1977), or a whole strip and =
repaint to get things to match, since there are too many layers of paint =
on it now.

How was your day?

Stu

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<DIV><FONT size=3D4>Stu,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D4>Sorry to hear about your crappy day.&nbsp; I had a =
day like=20
that many years ago.&nbsp; Had rebuilt the carb and had forgotten to =
tighten the=20
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, August 30, 2015 9:37 PM</DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal>I took the Tiger out today for a little cruise with =
my son=20
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we got home I noticed=20
that the trunk was a little out of alignment.&nbsp; The nut on the fixed =
part of=20
the right side hinge was loose.&nbsp; No problem, tighten it up.&nbsp; =
Only it=20
wouldn=E2=80=99t tighten.&nbsp; It feels like the stud is pulling out of =
the hinge=20
body.&nbsp; OK, I may have a spare hinge, if not, I can probably turn =
one=20
up.</P>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal>No big deal, right?&nbsp; But wait, the fun was =
just=20
starting.</P>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal>I was going to drive it back into the garage.&nbsp; =
The key=20
was on a few seconds while I readjusted the seat from my son=E2=80=99s =
position.&nbsp;=20
Then it took longer than normal to start, then smoke came out from under =
the=20
hood.&nbsp; Key off.&nbsp; There=E2=80=99s a lot of heat coming =
out=E2=80=A6&nbsp; I pulled the=20
hood release and could see flames=E2=80=A6&nbsp;&nbsp; Opening the hood, =
flames were=20
coming up from the front of the carb area.&nbsp; The garden hose was =
right=20
there, so I gave it a squirt, cooling everything off, and the flames =
went=20
out.</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>The front of the air cleaner is sort or singed, the =
element=20
needs an inspection, the bottom of the hood is black and bubbled right =
over=20
there, and there is one huge bubble on the outside of the hood.&nbsp; =
Wiring=20
looks OK, if a bit singed, and the plastic section that joins the choke =
heater=20
down pipe to the air cleaner is melted.</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>After things cooled off, we powered it up again, =
with the air=20
cleaner off.&nbsp; The pump was on, but everything was perfect, no fuel =
coming=20
out anywhere.&nbsp;&nbsp; It started and ran fine.</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>So I=E2=80=99m guessing that something is going on =
in the float bowl,=20
the valve occasionally sticking open or something.&nbsp; There had been =
a couple=20
instances of brief loss of power, and rough running this summer, so I =
suspect=20
this is related.</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>I cleaned and replaced a lot of stuff in the carb =
maybe a=20
decade back.&nbsp; Anybody have any part numbers for rebuild kits that =
are=20
available today?&nbsp; What Ford should I tell them I have to get the =
kit for a=20
stock 260 Tiger carb?</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>The fun is going out of this real quick.&nbsp; Now =
I=E2=80=99m faced=20
with matching the paint on the hood ( Imron from 1977), or a whole strip =
and=20
repaint to get things to match, since there are too many layers of paint =
on it=20
now.</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>How was your day?</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>Stu</P></DIV></DIV>
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