Subject: Re: [Tigers] 260 for the 21 century

From: Tom Witt via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 10:13:47 -0700

I've notice over the years a desire for many to build (up) a 260 engine in 
the quest for more power. While I can grasp the desire to keep an original 
car - original, it seems the 260 no longer remains original with the 
modifications applied. So, I ask with nothing more than curiosity (no 
condemnation) why the pursuit?  Is it the mentioned desire for originality 
(at least to the block/heads that came in the car)? Is it simply the quest 
for the most power out of a 260 (only)? Or???

The reason I ask is that my overly practical, frugal nature sees a well 
chosen, $150 junk yard roller cam 302 as producing a similar power result 
for significantly less cost.  Now, I do have a 63 Rambler with an abysmal 6 
cylinder motor (cast-in intake trough). And, yes, I've wonder just what can 
be gotten out of that with modifications. But actually doing it goes against 
my practical/frugal nature.

Anyway, just curious as to why the 260 over a 302 build if power is the 
desired result. Especially with the parts scarcity and additional costs. 

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From: Scott Hutchinson via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 18:18:38 +0000

In my case it was mission creep. 

Needed a throw out bearing.  Pulled engine.

Thought maybe a new clutch.  

Then,  valve guides would be a good idea since there is no more lead. Screw in studs are a great way to strengthen the top end. 

At work a good friend wiped a cam on a 69 Camaro, so I thought a roller would be good.  

Gee that f4b on eBay looks nice.....

I'm sure my story is unique....

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 19, 2015, at 1:15 PM, Tom Witt via Tigers <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> I've notice over the years a desire for many to build (up) a 260 engine in the quest for more power. While I can grasp the desire to keep an original car - original, it seems the 260 no longer remains original with the modifications applied. So, I ask with nothing more than curiosity (no condemnation) why the pursuit?  Is it the mentioned desire for originality (at least to the block/heads that came in the car)? Is it simply the quest for the most power out of a 260 (only)? Or???
> 
> The reason I ask is that my overly practical, frugal nature sees a well chosen, $150 junk yard roller cam 302 as producing a similar power result for significantly less cost.  Now, I do have a 63 Rambler with an abysmal 6 cylinder motor (cast-in intake trough). And, yes, I've wonder just what can be gotten out of that with modifications. But actually doing it goes against my practical/frugal nature.
> 
> Anyway, just curious as to why the 260 over a 302 build if power is the desired result. Especially with the parts scarcity and additional costs. 
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From: Stephen Waybright via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 18:32:54 +0000 (UTC)

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Scott,That's funny and all to true with car projects. My car started as a r=
estore to stock project with a few reliability/safety upgrades. Next thing =
you know, it's a full on resto-mod from Dale A with a one of a kind suspens=
ion and other over the top upgrades. None of it makes sense after the fact,=
 but when it's happening, each step seems like a small change of plan.
Stephen Waybright
      From: Scott Hutchinson via Tigers <[email-masked]>
 To: Tom Witt <[email-masked]>=20
Cc: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>=20
 Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 1:18 PM
 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 260 for the 21 century
  =20
In my case it was mission creep.=20

Needed a throw out bearing.=C2=A0 Pulled engine.

Thought maybe a new clutch.=C2=A0=20

Then,=C2=A0 valve guides would be a good idea since there is no more lead. =
Screw in studs are a great way to strengthen the top end.=20

At work a good friend wiped a cam on a 69 Camaro, so I thought a roller wou=
ld be good.=C2=A0=20

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 19, 2015, at 1:15 PM, Tom Witt via Tigers <[email-masked]> =
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> I've notice over the years a desire for many to build (up) a 260 engine i=
n the quest for more power. While I can grasp the desire to keep an origina=
l car - original, it seems the 260 no longer remains original with the modi=
fications applied. So, I ask with nothing more than curiosity (no condemnat=
ion) why the pursuit?=C2=A0 Is it the mentioned desire for originality (at =
least to the block/heads that came in the car)? Is it simply the quest for =
the most power out of a 260 (only)? Or???
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> The reason I ask is that my overly practical, frugal nature sees a well c=
hosen, $150 junk yard roller cam 302 as producing a similar power result fo=
r significantly less cost.=C2=A0 Now, I do have a 63 Rambler with an abysma=
l 6 cylinder motor (cast-in intake trough). And, yes, I've wonder just what=
 can be gotten out of that with modifications. But actually doing it goes a=
gainst my practical/frugal nature.
>=20
> Anyway, just curious as to why the 260 over a 302 build if power is the d=
esired result. Especially with the parts scarcity and additional costs.=20
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iner" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1434737976221_9019"><br>In my case it was mission =
creep. <br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Needed a throw out bearing.&nb=
sp; Pulled engine.<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Thought maybe a new=
 clutch.&nbsp; <br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Then,&nbsp; valve guid=
es would be a good idea since there is no more lead. Screw in studs are a g=
reat way to strengthen the top end. <br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">A=
t work a good friend wiped a cam on a 69 Camaro, so I thought a roller woul=
d be good.&nbsp; <br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">G=
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m sure my story is unique....<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><br clea=
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r clear=3D"none">&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt; I've notice over the years a =
desire for many to build (up) a 260 engine in the quest for more power. Whi=
le I can grasp the desire to keep an original car - original, it seems the =
260 no longer remains original with the modifications applied. So, I ask wi=
th nothing more than curiosity (no condemnation) why the pursuit?&nbsp; Is =
it the mentioned desire for originality (at least to the block/heads that c=
ame in the car)? Is it simply the quest for the most power out of a 260 (on=
ly)? Or???<br clear=3D"none">&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt; The reason I ask =
is that my overly practical, frugal nature sees a well chosen, $150 junk ya=
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s cost.&nbsp; Now, I do have a 63 Rambler with an abysmal 6 cylinder motor =
(cast-in intake trough). And, yes, I've wonder just what can be gotten out =
of that with modifications. But actually doing it goes against my practical=
/frugal nature.<br clear=3D"none">&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt; Anyway, just=
 curious as to why the 260 over a 302 build if power is the desired result.=
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From: Owain Lloyd via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 14:42:44 -0400

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Some us build engines for competition where the rules prevent you dumping
any old cheap horsepower in the car and necessitate much more effort and
expense to get power.

That said, I must admit that my tiger (road car) has a 482hp 347. ;)

On Friday, June 19, 2015, Duke Samouce via Tigers <[email-masked]>
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> Thats why the 260 that came in my Tiger is sitting on an engine stand
> being restored as a OEM correct display engine.  Was making close to 190 HP
> when pulled.  As you all know, a built 347 now sits in the Tiger making
> ~450HP and many more smiles.  A 260 will never produce much HP no matter
> what you do to it.  Forced induction aside.
>
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Some us build engines for competition where the=C2=A0rules prevent you dump=
ing any old cheap horsepower in the car and necessitate much more effort an=
d expense to get power.<div><br></div><div>That said, I=C2=A0must admit tha=
t my tiger (road car) has a=C2=A0482hp 347. ;)<span></span><br><br>On Frida=
y, June 19, 2015, Duke Samouce via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@auto=
x.team.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gm=
ail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-le=
ft:1ex">Thats why the 260 that came in my Tiger is sitting on an engine sta=
nd being restored as a OEM correct display engine.=C2=A0 Was making close t=
o 190 HP when pulled.=C2=A0 As you all know, a built 347 now sits in the Ti=
ger making ~450HP and many more smiles.=C2=A0 A 260 will never produce much=
 HP no matter what you do to it.=C2=A0 Forced induction aside.<br>
<br>
Duke<br>
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---- Tom Witt via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"javascript:;" onclick=3D"_e(event, =
&#39;cvml&#39;, &#39;[email-masked]&#39;)">[email-masked]</a>=
&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; I&#39;ve notice over the years a desire for many to build (up) a 260 e=
ngine in<br>
&gt; the quest for more power. While I can grasp the desire to keep an orig=
inal<br>
&gt; car - original, it seems the 260 no longer remains original with the<b=
r>
&gt; modifications applied. So, I ask with nothing more than curiosity (no<=
br>
&gt; condemnation) why the pursuit?=C2=A0 Is it the mentioned desire for or=
iginality<br>
&gt; (at least to the block/heads that came in the car)? Is it simply the q=
uest<br>
&gt; for the most power out of a 260 (only)? Or???<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; The reason I ask is that my overly practical, frugal nature sees a wel=
l<br>
&gt; chosen, $150 junk yard roller cam 302 as producing a similar power res=
ult<br>
&gt; for significantly less cost.=C2=A0 Now, I do have a 63 Rambler with an=
 abysmal 6<br>
&gt; cylinder motor (cast-in intake trough). And, yes, I&#39;ve wonder just=
 what can<br>
&gt; be gotten out of that with modifications. But actually doing it goes a=
gainst<br>
&gt; my practical/frugal nature.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Anyway, just curious as to why the 260 over a 302 build if power is th=
e<br>
&gt; desired result. Especially with the parts scarcity and additional cost=
s.<br>
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From: Jay Laifman via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 11:49:03 -0700

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I always laugh at the guys with more modern cars, stock with massive power
already (relative to our cars), who "chip" their cars.  I mean, what's the
point?  They don't have "enough" power already to do serious damage to
themselves or others?  They don't have "enough" power to have fun?  Blast
freeway on ramps?  If they were truly RACING and needing extra power down
the stretch or out of the corners because the other cars have that fraction
of a second on them, OK, maybe it makes sense.  BUT, if they were really
RACING, head to head racing, not just track days, that means there are
classes.  And rest assured, a chipped car is going to be in the full
modified class - which means a chip alone ain't going to make you
competitive - you'd need full racing suspension, stripped dead weight,
etc., etc.

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<div dir=3D"ltr">I always laugh at the guys with more modern cars, stock wi=
th massive power already (relative to our cars), who &quot;chip&quot; their=
 cars.=C2=A0 I mean, what&#39;s the point?=C2=A0 They don&#39;t have &quot;=
enough&quot; power already to do serious damage to themselves or others?=C2=
=A0 They don&#39;t have &quot;enough&quot; power to have fun?=C2=A0 Blast f=
reeway on ramps?=C2=A0 If they were truly RACING and needing extra power do=
wn the stretch or out of the corners because the other cars have that fract=
ion of a second on them, OK, maybe it makes sense.=C2=A0 BUT, if they were =
really RACING, head to head racing, not just track days, that means there a=
re classes.=C2=A0 And rest assured, a chipped car is going to be in the ful=
l modified class - which means a chip alone ain&#39;t going to make you com=
petitive - you&#39;d need full racing suspension, stripped dead weight, etc=
., etc.=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote=
">On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Owain Lloyd via Tigers <span dir=3D"ltr=
">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">tigers@aut=
ox.team.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Some us=
 build engines for competition where the=C2=A0rules prevent you dumping any=
 old cheap horsepower in the car and necessitate much more effort and expen=
se to get power.<div><br></div><div>That said, I=C2=A0must admit that my ti=
ger (road car) has a=C2=A0482hp 347. ;)<span></span><br><br>On Friday, June=
 19, 2015, Duke Samouce via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked].=
net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid=
;padding-left:1ex">Thats why the 260 that came in my Tiger is sitting on an=
 engine stand being restored as a OEM correct display engine.=C2=A0 Was mak=
ing close to 190 HP when pulled.=C2=A0 As you all know, a built 347 now sit=
s in the Tiger making ~450HP and many more smiles.=C2=A0 A 260 will never p=
roduce much HP no matter what you do to it.=C2=A0 Forced induction aside.<b=
r>
<br>
Duke<br>
<br>
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---- Tom Witt via Tigers &lt;<a>[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; I&#39;ve notice over the years a desire for many to build (up) a 260 e=
ngine in<br>
&gt; the quest for more power. While I can grasp the desire to keep an orig=
inal<br>
&gt; car - original, it seems the 260 no longer remains original with the<b=
r>
&gt; modifications applied. So, I ask with nothing more than curiosity (no<=
br>
&gt; condemnation) why the pursuit?=C2=A0 Is it the mentioned desire for or=
iginality<br>
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=E2=80=9CI always laugh at the guys with more modern cars, stock with =
massive power already...=E2=80=9D=20

Jay, you mean cars/people like this? =
http://motorsportstalk.nbcsports.com/2014/12/24/police-release-report-on-=
wreck-of-brand-new-60000-707-hp-2015-dodge-challenger-srt-hellcat/

From: Jay Laifman via Tigers=20
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 11:49 AM
To: owain lloyd=20
Cc: Tom Witt via Tigers=20
Subject: Re: [Tigers] 260 for the 21 century

I always laugh at the guys with more modern cars, stock with massive =
power already (relative to our cars), who "chip" their cars.  I mean, =
what's the point?  They don't have "enough" power already to do serious =
damage to themselves or others?  They don't have "enough" power to have =
fun?  Blast freeway on ramps?  If they were truly RACING and needing =
extra power down the stretch or out of the corners because the other =
cars have that fraction of a second on them, OK, maybe it makes sense.  =
BUT, if they were really RACING, head to head racing, not just track =
days, that means there are classes.  And rest assured, a chipped car is =
going to be in the full modified class - which means a chip alone ain't =
going to make you competitive - you'd need full racing suspension, =
stripped dead weight, etc., etc.=20

On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Owain Lloyd via Tigers =
<[email-masked]> wrote:

  Some us build engines for competition where the rules prevent you =
dumping any old cheap horsepower in the car and necessitate much more =
effort and expense to get power.=20

  On Friday, June 19, 2015, Duke Samouce via Tigers =
<[email-masked]> wrote:

    Thats why the 260 that came in my Tiger is sitting on an engine =
stand being restored as a OEM correct display engine.  Was making close =
to 190 HP when pulled.  As you all know, a built 347 now sits in the =
Tiger making ~450HP and many more smiles.  A 260 will never produce much =
HP no matter what you do to it.  Forced induction aside.

    Duke

    ---- Tom Witt via Tigers <[email-masked]> wrote:
    > I've notice over the years a desire for many to build (up) a 260 =
engine in
    > the quest for more power. While I can grasp the desire to keep an =
original
    > car - original, it seems the 260 no longer remains original with =
the
    > modifications applied. So, I ask with nothing more than curiosity =
(no
    > condemnation) why the pursuit?  Is it the mentioned desire for =
originality
    > (at least to the block/heads that came in the car)? Is it simply =
the quest
    > The reason I ask is that my overly practical, frugal nature sees a =
well
    > chosen, $150 junk yard roller cam 302 as producing a similar power =
result
    > for significantly less cost.  Now, I do have a 63 Rambler with an =
abysmal 6
    > cylinder motor (cast-in intake trough). And, yes, I've wonder just =
what can
    > be gotten out of that with modifications. But actually doing it =
goes against
    > Anyway, just curious as to why the 260 over a 302 build if power =
is the
    > desired result. Especially with the parts scarcity and additional =
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In many ways it's the most fun part of it.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 19, 2015, at 2:33 PM, Stephen Waybright <[email-masked]<mailt=
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Scott,
That's funny and all to true with car projects. My car started as a restore=
 to stock project with a few reliability/safety upgrades. Next thing you kn=
ow, it's a full on resto-mod from Dale A with a one of a kind suspension an=
d other over the top upgrades. None of it makes sense after the fact, but w=
hen it's happening, each step seems like a small change of plan.

Stephen Waybright
________________________________
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Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] 260 for the 21 century

Then,  valve guides would be a good idea since there is no more lead. Screw=
 in studs are a great way to strengthen the top end.

ld be good.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 19, 2015, at 1:15 PM, Tom Witt via Tigers <[email-masked]<m=
n the quest for more power. While I can grasp the desire to keep an origina=
l car - original, it seems the 260 no longer remains original with the modi=
fications applied. So, I ask with nothing more than curiosity (no condemnat=
ion) why the pursuit?  Is it the mentioned desire for originality (at least=
 to the block/heads that came in the car)? Is it simply the quest for the m=
ost power out of a 260 (only)? Or???
hosen, $150 junk yard roller cam 302 as producing a similar power result fo=
r significantly less cost.  Now, I do have a 63 Rambler with an abysmal 6 c=
ylinder motor (cast-in intake trough). And, yes, I've wonder just what can =
be gotten out of that with modifications. But actually doing it goes agains=
t my practical/frugal nature.
> Anyway, just curious as to why the 260 over a 302 build if power is the d=
esired result. Especially with the parts scarcity and additional costs.
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<div>In many ways it's the most fun part of it.&nbsp;<br>
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Sent from my iPhone</div>
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On Jun 19, 2015, at 2:33 PM, Stephen Waybright &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gswayb=
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<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1434737976221_8507"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_143473=
7976221_9011">That's funny and all to true with car projects. My car starte=
d as a restore to stock project with a few reliability/safety upgrades. Nex=
t thing you know, it's a full on resto-mod
 from Dale A with a one of a kind suspension and other over the top upgrade=
s. None of it makes sense after the fact, but when it's happening, each ste=
p seems like a small change of plan.</span></div>
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rs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&g=
t;<br>
<b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Tom Witt &lt;<a href=
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In my case it was mission creep. <br clear=3D"none">
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Needed a throw out bearing.&nbsp; Pulled engine.<br clear=3D"none">
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Thought maybe a new clutch.&nbsp; <br clear=3D"none">
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Then,&nbsp; valve guides would be a good idea since there is no more lead. =
Screw in studs are a great way to strengthen the top end.
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At work a good friend wiped a cam on a 69 Camaro, so I thought a roller wou=
ld be good.&nbsp;
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I'm sure my story is unique....<br clear=3D"none">
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Sent from my iPhone<br clear=3D"none">
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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 22:06:07 -0400

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Hello listers,

I'm one of those folks who appreciates originality.

I wanted my Tiger's 260 to meet the originality test while meeting my 
power demands.

Alas, I didn't have the savvy to make that happen.

For cruising, a stock 260 isn't a bad choice but for performance...cubes 
mater.

So my stock engine went onto a stand and was replaced with a 5 bolt 289 
amended with a
302 rotating assembly... a 5 bolt 302 so to speak, making an acceptable 
263 RWHP and comparable torque.

Visually, few people question the difference although the aluminum heads 
do spark questions.

I remain interested in the 260 engine - especially the 245 horsepower 
version advertised in period Tiger literature.

Allan Ballard
Atlanta, Georgia

On 6/19/15 9:46 PM, Scott Hutchinson via Tigers wrote:
> On Jun 19, 2015, at 2:33 PM, Stephen Waybright <[email-masked] 
>
>> Scott,
>> That's funny and all to true with car projects. My car started as a 
>> restore to stock project with a few reliability/safety upgrades. Next 
>> thing you know, it's a full on resto-mod from Dale A with a one of a 
>> kind suspension and other over the top upgrades. None of it makes 
>> sense after the fact, but when it's happening, each step seems like a 
>> small change of plan.
>>
>> Stephen Waybright
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* Scott Hutchinson via Tigers <[email-masked] 
>> *Sent:* Friday, June 19, 2015 1:18 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] 260 for the 21 century
>>
>> Then,  valve guides would be a good idea since there is no more lead. 
>> > On Jun 19, 2015, at 1:15 PM, Tom Witt via Tigers 
>> >
>> > I've notice over the years a desire for many to build (up) a 260 
>> engine in the quest for more power. While I can grasp the desire to 
>> keep an original car - original, it seems the 260 no longer remains 
>> original with the modifications applied. So, I ask with nothing more 
>> than curiosity (no condemnation) why the pursuit?  Is it the 
>> mentioned desire for originality (at least to the block/heads that 
>> came in the car)? Is it simply the quest for the most power out of a 
>> 260 (only)? Or???
>> >
>> > The reason I ask is that my overly practical, frugal nature sees a 
>> well chosen, $150 junk yard roller cam 302 as producing a similar 
>> power result for significantly less cost.  Now, I do have a 63 
>> Rambler with an abysmal 6 cylinder motor (cast-in intake trough). 
>> And, yes, I've wonder just what can be gotten out of that with 
>> modifications. But actually doing it goes against my practical/frugal 
>> nature.
>> >
>> > Anyway, just curious as to why the 260 over a 302 build if power is 
>> the desired result. Especially with the parts scarcity and additional 
>> costs.
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    Hello listers,<br>
    <br>
    I'm one of those folks who appreciates originality. <br>
    <br>
    I wanted my Tiger's 260 to meet the originality test while meeting
    my power demands.<br>
    <br>
    Alas, I didn't have the savvy to make that happen.<br>
    <br>
    For cruising, a stock 260 isn't a bad choice but for
    performance...cubes mater.<br>
    <br>
    So my stock engine went onto a stand and was replaced with a 5 bolt
    289 amended with a<br>
    302 rotating assembly... a 5 bolt 302 so to speak, making an
    acceptable 263 RWHP and comparable torque.<br>
    <br>
    Visually, few people question the difference although the aluminum
    heads do spark questions.<br>
    <br>
    I remain interested in the 260 engine - especially the 245
    horsepower version advertised in period Tiger literature.<br>
    <br>
    Allan Ballard<br>
    Atlanta, Georgia <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/19/15 9:46 PM, Scott Hutchinson
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        On Jun 19, 2015, at 2:33 PM, Stephen Waybright &lt;<a
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            <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1434737976221_8507"><span>Scott,</span></div>
            <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1434737976221_8507"><span
                id="yui_3_16_0_1_1434737976221_9011">That's funny and
                all to true with car projects. My car started as a
                restore to stock project with a few reliability/safety
                upgrades. Next thing you know, it's a full on resto-mod
                from Dale A with a one of a kind suspension and other
                over the top upgrades. None of it makes sense after the
                fact, but when it's happening, each step seems like a
                small change of plan.</span></div>
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                  At work a good friend wiped a cam on a 69 Camaro, so I
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                  While I can grasp the desire to keep an original car -
                  original, it seems the 260 no longer remains original
                  with the modifications applied. So, I ask with nothing
                  more than curiosity (no condemnation) why the
                  pursuit?  Is it the mentioned desire for originality
                  (at least to the block/heads that came in the car)? Is
                  it simply the quest for the most power out of a 260
                  (only)? Or???<br clear="none">
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                  frugal nature sees a well chosen, $150 junk yard
                  roller cam 302 as producing a similar power result for
                  significantly less cost.  Now, I do have a 63 Rambler
                  with an abysmal 6 cylinder motor (cast-in intake
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                  out of that with modifications. But actually doing it
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