Subject: [Tigers] 260 for the 21 century

From: spmdr--- via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 07:34:14 -0800

I JUST finished a "260" rebuild.

...I started on the story, but it's not done yet.

Short story:

-Roller cam.
-Roller rockers
-stock (new) pistons, no valve cuts.
-stroked crank.
-new rods
-9.6 compression.
-stock iron heads, with some help.
-early LAT / CAT headers.
-air gap intake.

It runs good, We'll see what it does at the CAT Dyno day, Hopefully...

The owner is moving so the Dyno day is tentative.

DW

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From: Duke Samouce via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 15:06:30 +0000

160-180 RWHP is my prediction.  The small valves and small runners will never allow great HP.

Duke

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From: Duke Samouce via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 15:17:52 +0000

When I had my 260 heads rebuilt we went with larger valves due to the excessive seat wear.   The valves were Chevy valves, much larger selection of sizes that was available from Ford.  That engine made 156 RWHP. 

Duke

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From: Ron Fraser via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 11:57:30 -0400

DW

I hope sometime in the future you write the Long Story with part numbers and
Dyno numbers.

Ron Fraser

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Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 11:34 AM
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Subject: [Tigers] 260 for the 21 century

Short story:

-Roller cam.
-Roller rockers

DW

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From: Duke Samouce via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 18:27:47 +0000

Thats why the 260 that came in my Tiger is sitting on an engine stand being restored as a OEM correct display engine.  Was making close to 190 HP when pulled.  As you all know, a built 347 now sits in the Tiger making ~450HP and many more smiles.  A 260 will never produce much HP no matter what you do to it.  Forced induction aside. 

Duke

---- Tom Witt via Tigers <[email-masked]> wrote: 
> I've notice over the years a desire for many to build (up) a 260 engine in 
> the quest for more power. While I can grasp the desire to keep an original 
> car - original, it seems the 260 no longer remains original with the 
> modifications applied. So, I ask with nothing more than curiosity (no 
> condemnation) why the pursuit?  Is it the mentioned desire for originality 
> (at least to the block/heads that came in the car)? Is it simply the quest 
> for the most power out of a 260 (only)? Or???
> 
> The reason I ask is that my overly practical, frugal nature sees a well 
> chosen, $150 junk yard roller cam 302 as producing a similar power result 
> for significantly less cost.  Now, I do have a 63 Rambler with an abysmal 6 
> cylinder motor (cast-in intake trough). And, yes, I've wonder just what can 
> be gotten out of that with modifications. But actually doing it goes against 
> my practical/frugal nature.
> 
> Anyway, just curious as to why the 260 over a 302 build if power is the 
> desired result. Especially with the parts scarcity and additional costs. 
> 

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From: Ron Fraser via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 16:30:26 -0400

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Makes you understand why Shelby American started a driving school for =
new
Cobra owners.
=20
Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
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Witt
via Tigers
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 3:39 PM
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Tigers] 260 for the 21 century

"I always laugh at the guys with more modern cars, stock with massive =
power
already..."=20
=20
Jay, you mean cars/people like this?
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From: Ron Fraser via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2015 16:54:56 -0400

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Mike
=20
All opinions are welcome here.
=20
I personally think the 260 engine is an excellent engine for the Tiger.
=20
I'm not sure that a 302 crank in a 260 block needs to be notch but I =
have no
experience with that.
=20
245 hp would be gross hp as was the norm for reporting engine hp in the
60's.
=20
I have a listing for a 1963 - 260/ 260hp engine - dual 4 bbl - 12 to 1
compression ratio and it looks like it has Cobra or LAT 27 style tri Y
headers.
=20
Didn't Doan Spenser have a 14 to 1 compression 260 that produced over =
300 hp
with gobs of torque?
=20
Ron Fraser

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From: Tigers [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of
mwood24020--- via Tigers
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 4:25 PM
To: [email-masked]; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Tigers] 260 for the 21 century

Oops...that was supposed to be for Allan. I guess all know how I feel =
about
this topic, now LOL

-----Original Message-----
From: mwood24020 <[email-masked]>
To: tigers <[email-masked]>
Sent: Sat, Jun 20, 2015 1:12 pm
Subject: Re: [Tigers] 260 for the 21 century

 Allan, to be honest, I can't imagine one reason to run a 260 based =
engine
in a Tiger, except if the goal is winning concours. The idea of running =
a
stroker 260 (even if only 302 crank) makes even less sense, as the lower =
end
of the block needs to be machined/notched and you still end up with not =
much
capability.
=20
The "245hp" 260 might have been a gross number, on a good day, with a
tailwind...an honest 245hp from a 260 is likely going to need somewhere =
in
the 6500rpm range to happen, with correlative loss of power under the =
curve.
:)
=20
Just my two cents, but not really wanting to stir this pot-
Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Allan Ballard via Tigers <[email-masked]>
To: tigers <[email-masked]>; Allan Ballard =
<[email-masked]>
Sent: Sat, Jun 20, 2015 1:04 pm
Subject: Re: [Tigers] 260 for the 21 century

Hello listers,

I'm one of those folks who appreciates originality.=20

I wanted my Tiger's 260 to meet the originality test while meeting my =
power
demands.

Alas, I didn't have the savvy to make that happen.

For cruising, a stock 260 isn't a bad choice but for performance...cubes
mater.

So my stock engine went onto a stand and was replaced with a 5 bolt 289
amended with a
302 rotating assembly... a 5 bolt 302 so to speak, making an acceptable =
263
RWHP and comparable torque.

Visually, few people question the difference although the aluminum heads =
do
spark questions.

I remain interested in the 260 engine - especially the 245 horsepower
version advertised in period Tiger literature.

Allan Ballard
Atlanta, Georgia=20

On 6/19/15 9:46 PM, Scott Hutchinson via Tigers wrote:

In many ways it's the most fun part of it.=20

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 19, 2015, at 2:33 PM, Stephen Waybright <[email-masked]>
wrote:

Scott,
That's funny and all to true with car projects. My car started as a =
restore
to stock project with a few reliability/safety upgrades. Next thing you
know, it's a full on resto-mod from Dale A with a one of a kind =
suspension
and other over the top upgrades. None of it makes sense after the fact, =
but
when it's happening, each step seems like a small change of plan.

Stephen Waybright

  _____ =20

From: Scott Hutchinson via Tigers <[email-masked]>
To: Tom Witt <[email-masked]>=20
Cc: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>=20
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] 260 for the 21 century

In my case it was mission creep.=20

Needed a throw out bearing.  Pulled engine.

Thought maybe a new clutch. =20

Then,  valve guides would be a good idea since there is no more lead. =
Screw
in studs are a great way to strengthen the top end.=20

At work a good friend wiped a cam on a 69 Camaro, so I thought a roller
would be good. =20

Gee that f4b on eBay looks nice.....

I'm sure my story is unique....

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 19, 2015, at 1:15 PM, Tom Witt via Tigers =
<[email-masked]>
wrote:
>=20
> I've notice over the years a desire for many to build (up) a 260 =
engine in
the quest for more power. While I can grasp the desire to keep an =
original
car - original, it seems the 260 no longer remains original with the
modifications applied. So, I ask with nothing more than curiosity (no
condemnation) why the pursuit?  Is it the mentioned desire for =
originality
(at least to the block/heads that came in the car)? Is it simply the =
quest
for the most power out of a 260 (only)? Or???
>=20
> The reason I ask is that my overly practical, frugal nature sees a =
well
chosen, $150 junk yard roller cam 302 as producing a similar power =
result
for significantly less cost.  Now, I do have a 63 Rambler with an =
abysmal 6
cylinder motor (cast-in intake trough). And, yes, I've wonder just what =
can
be gotten out of that with modifications. But actually doing it goes =
against
my practical/frugal nature.
>=20
> Anyway, just curious as to why the 260 over a 302 build if power is =
the
desired result. Especially with the parts scarcity and additional costs. =

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<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D579343720-20062015>Mike</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D579343720-20062015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D579343720-20062015>All=20
opinions are welcome here.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D579343720-20062015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D579343720-20062015>I=20
personally think the 260 engine is an&nbsp;excellent engine for the=20
Tiger.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D579343720-20062015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D579343720-20062015>I'm=20
not sure that a 302 crank in a 260 block needs to be notch but I have no =

experience with that.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D579343720-20062015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D579343720-20062015>245 hp=20
would be gross hp as was the norm for reporting&nbsp;engine&nbsp;hp in =
the=20
60's.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D579343720-20062015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D579343720-20062015>I have=20
a listing for a 1963 -&nbsp;260/ 260hp engine - dual 4 bbl - 12 to 1 =
compression=20
ratio and it looks like it has Cobra or LAT 27 style tri Y=20
headers.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D579343720-20062015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D579343720-20062015>Didn't=20
Doan Spenser have a 14 to 1 compression 260 that produced over 300 hp =
with gobs=20
of torque?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D579343720-20062015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D579343720-20062015>Ron=20
Fraser</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr lang=3Den-us class=3DOutlookMessageHeader =
align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D2=20
  face=3DTahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Tigers=20
  [mailto:[email-masked]] <B>On Behalf Of =
</B>mwood24020--- via=20
  Tigers<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, June 20, 2015 4:25 PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
  [email-masked]; [email-masked]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: =
[Tigers] 260=20
  for the 21 century<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><FONT =

  color=3Dblack face=3Darial></FONT><SPAN style=3D"DISPLAY: =
inline-block"=20
  contentEditable=3Dfalse></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV>Oops...that was supposed to be for Allan. I guess all know how I =
feel=20
  about this topic, now LOL<BR></DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: mwood24020=20
  &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<BR>To: tigers=20
  &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<BR>Sent: Sat, Jun 20, 2015 1:12 =
pm<BR>Subject:=20
  Re: [Tigers] 260 for the 21 century<BR><BR>
  <DIV id=3DAOLMsgPart_1_add09a80-b1e1-41b2-b4e3-8fc9b388bcf1>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: arial; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><FONT =

  color=3Dblack face=3Darial></FONT><SPAN=20
style=3D"DISPLAY: inline-block"></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;Allan, to be honest, I can't imagine one reason to run a =
260 based=20
  engine in a Tiger, except if the goal is winning concours. The idea of =
running=20
  a stroker 260 (even if only 302 crank) makes even less sense, as the =
lower end=20
  of the block needs to be machined/notched and you still end up with =
not much=20
  capability.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>The "245hp" 260 might have been a gross number, on a good day, =
with a=20
  tailwind...an honest 245hp from a 260 is likely going to need =
somewhere in the=20
  6500rpm range to happen, with correlative loss of power under the =
curve.=20
  :)</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Just my two cents, but not really wanting to stir this pot-</DIV>
  <DIV>Mike</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Allan Ballard via =
Tigers=20
  &lt;<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</A>&gt;<BR>To=
:=20
  tigers &lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</A>&gt;; =
Allan=20
  Ballard &lt;<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</A>&gt;<BR>=
Sent:=20
  Sat, Jun 20, 2015 1:04 pm<BR>Subject: Re: [Tigers] 260 for the 21=20
  century<BR><BR>
  <DIV id=3Daolmail_AOLMsgPart_2_4d553cb2-5b13-406f-96c7-46a630d0dcc7>
  <DIV class=3Daolmail_aolReplacedBody bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" =
text=3D"#000000">Hello=20
  listers,<BR><BR>I'm one of those folks who appreciates originality. =
<BR><BR>I=20
  wanted my Tiger's 260 to meet the originality test while meeting my =
power=20
  demands.<BR><BR>Alas, I didn't have the savvy to make that =
happen.<BR><BR>For=20
  cruising, a stock 260 isn't a bad choice but for performance...cubes=20
  mater.<BR><BR>So my stock engine went onto a stand and was replaced =
with a 5=20
  bolt 289 amended with a<BR>302 rotating assembly... a 5 bolt 302 so to =
speak,=20
  making an acceptable 263 RWHP and comparable torque.<BR><BR>Visually, =
few=20
  people question the difference although the aluminum heads do spark=20
  questions.<BR><BR>I remain interested in the 260 engine - especially =
the 245=20
  horsepower version advertised in period Tiger literature.<BR><BR>Allan =

  Ballard<BR>Atlanta, Georgia <BR><BR>
  <DIV class=3Daolmail_aolmail_moz-cite-prefix>On 6/19/15 9:46 PM, Scott =

  Hutchinson via Tigers wrote:<BR></DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
    <DIV>In many ways it's the most fun part of it.&nbsp;<BR><BR>Sent =
from my=20
    iPhone</DIV>
    <DIV><BR>On Jun 19, 2015, at 2:33 PM, Stephen Waybright &lt;<A=20
    href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</A>&gt;=20
    wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
    <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
      <DIV>
      <DIV=20
      style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); FONT-FAMILY: =
HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, =
sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-SIZE: 13px">
      <DIV=20
      =
id=3Daolmail_aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1434737976221_8507><SPAN>Scott,</SPAN><=
/DIV>
      <DIV id=3Daolmail_aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1434737976221_8507><SPAN=20
      id=3Daolmail_aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1434737976221_9011>That's funny =
and all to=20
      true with car projects. My car started as a restore to stock =
project with=20
      a few reliability/safety upgrades. Next thing you know, it's a =
full on=20
      resto-mod from Dale A with a one of a kind suspension and other =
over the=20
      top upgrades. None of it makes sense after the fact, but when it's =

      happening, each step seems like a small change of =
plan.</SPAN></DIV>
      <DIV =
id=3Daolmail_aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1434737976221_8508><BR></DIV>
      <DIV id=3Daolmail_aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1434737976221_9013=20
      class=3Daolmail_aolmail_signature>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif"=20
      id=3Daolmail_aolmail_yui_3_16_0_1_1434737976221_9012>Stephen=20
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When I built my 289 - mine's a Mark 2 - I assembled it as if it were a
modern L.A.T. car: modern Edelbrock manifold, modern Holley 4160 carb, mild
cam, Edelbrock aluminum heads, etc.. Out of respect for the purists all the
original parts sit in boxes in the garage in case a future owner wants to
make it concours. The original L.A.T. cam was a solid lifter cam. I can't
picture adjusting the valves on a Kitty every three months (or daily if
it's being raced...) but that;s what they offered.

I s'pose the question to be asked is what's "original", and why does it
matter?  L.A.T. was an "option" but it wasn't "factory." Leaded gas was the
norm, and it's gone. We deal with the now, and it is what it is. After all,
it's our cars and we can do what we like with them.

If you want a 347, or a 302, have at it! My only concern is whether a
going-on-fifty-year-old car can handle the power, or whether fifth-year old
brake technology can stop the car in time if one is overdriving his / her
conditions.

Tom
67 Mark 2.

On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 4:54 PM, Ron Fraser via Tigers <
[email-masked]> wrote:

> I'm not sure that a 302 crank in a 260 block needs to be notch but I have
> no experience with that.
>
> Didn't Doan Spenser have a 14 to 1 compression 260 that produced over 300
> hp with gobs of torque?
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> *From:* Tigers [mailto:[email-masked]] *On Behalf Of *mwoo=
d24020---
> via Tigers
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 20, 2015 4:25 PM
> *To:* [email-masked]; [email-masked]
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] 260 for the 21 century
>
>  Oops...that was supposed to be for Allan. I guess all know how I feel
> about this topic, now LOL
>
>   Allan, to be honest, I can't imagine one reason to run a 260 based
> engine in a Tiger, except if the goal is winning concours. The idea of
> running a stroker 260 (even if only 302 crank) makes even less sense, as
> the lower end of the block needs to be machined/notched and you still end
> up with not much capability.
>
> tailwind...an honest 245hp from a 260 is likely going to need somewhere i=
n
> the 6500rpm range to happen, with correlative loss of power under the
> curve. :)
>
> To: tigers <[email-masked]>; Allan Ballard <[email-masked]=
>
> I'm one of those folks who appreciates originality.
>
> I wanted my Tiger's 260 to meet the originality test while meeting my
> power demands.
>
> 302 rotating assembly... a 5 bolt 302 so to speak, making an acceptable
> 263 RWHP and comparable torque.
>
> Visually, few people question the difference although the aluminum heads
> do spark questions.
>
> Atlanta, Georgia
> In many ways it's the most fun part of it.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> That's funny and all to true with car projects. My car started as a
> restore to stock project with a few reliability/safety upgrades. Next thi=
ng
> you know, it's a full on resto-mod from Dale A with a one of a kind
> suspension and other over the top upgrades. None of it makes sense after
> the fact, but when it's happening, each step seems like a small change of
> plan.
>
>  Stephen Waybright
>   ------------------------------
> *From:* Scott Hutchinson via Tigers <[email-masked]>
> *To:* Tom Witt <[email-masked]>
> *Cc:* "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* Friday, June 19, 2015 1:18 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] 260 for the 21 century
>
> In my case it was mission creep.
>
> Thought maybe a new clutch.
>
> Then,  valve guides would be a good idea since there is no more lead.
> Screw in studs are a great way to strengthen the top end.
>
> would be good.
> > On Jun 19, 2015, at 1:15 PM, Tom Witt via Tigers <[email-masked]=
>
> wrote:
> >
> > I've notice over the years a desire for many to build (up) a 260 engine
> in the quest for more power. While I can grasp the desire to keep an
> original car - original, it seems the 260 no longer remains original with
> the modifications applied. So, I ask with nothing more than curiosity (no
> condemnation) why the pursuit?  Is it the mentioned desire for originalit=
y
> (at least to the block/heads that came in the car)? Is it simply the ques=
t
> for significantly less cost.  Now, I do have a 63 Rambler with an abysmal=
 6
> cylinder motor (cast-in intake trough). And, yes, I've wonder just what c=
an
> be gotten out of that with modifications. But actually doing it goes
> against my practical/frugal nature.
> >
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<div dir=3D"ltr">When I built my 289 - mine&#39;s a Mark 2 - I assembled it=
 as if it were a modern L.A.T. car: modern Edelbrock manifold, modern Holle=
y 4160 carb, mild cam, Edelbrock aluminum heads, etc.. Out of respect for t=
he purists all the original parts sit in boxes in the garage in case a futu=
re owner wants to make it concours. The original L.A.T. cam was a solid lif=
ter cam. I can&#39;t picture adjusting the valves on a Kitty every three mo=
nths (or daily if it&#39;s being raced...) but that;s what they offered.=C2=
=A0<div><br></div><div>I s&#39;pose the question to be asked is what&#39;s =
&quot;original&quot;, and why does it matter?=C2=A0 L.A.T. was an &quot;opt=
ion&quot; but it wasn&#39;t &quot;factory.&quot; Leaded gas was the norm, a=
nd it&#39;s gone. We deal with the now, and it is what it is. After all, it=
&#39;s our cars and we can do what we like with them.</div><div><br></div><=
div>If you want a 347, or a 302, have at it! My only concern is whether a g=
oing-on-fifty-year-old car can handle the power, or whether fifth-year old =
brake technology can stop the car in time if one is overdriving his / her c=
onditions.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Tom</div><div>67 Mark 2.</div></d=
iv><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 20=
, 2015 at 4:54 PM, Ron Fraser via Tigers <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt=
;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><u></u>

<div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span>Mike</span></f=
ont></div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span></span></font>=
=C2=A0</div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span>All=20
opinions are welcome here.</span></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span></span></font>=
=C2=A0</div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span>I=20
personally think the 260 engine is an=C2=A0excellent engine for the=20
Tiger.</span></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span></span></font>=
=C2=A0</div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span>I&#39;m=20
not sure that a 302 crank in a 260 block needs to be notch but I have no=20
experience with that.</span></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span></span></font>=
=C2=A0</div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span>245 hp=20
would be gross hp as was the norm for reporting=C2=A0engine=C2=A0hp in the=
=20
60&#39;s.</span></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span></span></font>=
=C2=A0</div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span>I have=20
a listing for a 1963 -=C2=A0260/ 260hp engine - dual 4 bbl - 12 to 1 compre=
ssion=20
ratio and it looks like it has Cobra or LAT 27 style tri Y=20
headers.</span></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span></span></font>=
=C2=A0</div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span>Didn&#39;t=20
Doan Spenser have a 14 to 1 compression 260 that produced over 300 hp with =
gobs=20
of torque?</span></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span></span></font>=
=C2=A0</div>
<div><font color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"><span>Ron=20
Fraser</span></font></div>
<blockquote style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT:0px" dir=3D"ltr">
  <div></div>
  <div dir=3D"ltr" lang=3D"en-us" align=3D"left"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"T=
ahoma">-----Original Message-----<br><b>From:</b> Tigers=20
  [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank=
">[email-masked]</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>mwood24020--- via=
=20
  Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, June 20, 2015 4:25 PM<br><b>To:</b>=20
  <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]=
m</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">tigers@au=
tox.team.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] 260=20
  for the 21 century<br><br></font></div>
  <div style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:arial;COLOR:black;FONT-SIZE:10pt"><font color=
=3D"black" face=3D"arial"></font><span style=3D"DISPLAY:inline-block"></spa=
n></div>
  <div>Oops...that was supposed to be for Allan. I guess all know how I fee=
l=20
  about this topic, now LOL<br></div>
  <div><br></div>-----Original Message-----<br>From: mwood24020=20
  &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">mwood24020@ao=
l.com</a>&gt;<br>To: tigers=20
  &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">tigers@aut=
ox.team.net</a>&gt;<br>Sent: Sat, Jun 20, 2015 1:12 pm<br>Subject:=20
  Re: [Tigers] 260 for the 21 century<br><br>
  <div>
  <div style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:arial;COLOR:black;FONT-SIZE:10pt"><font color=
=3D"black" face=3D"arial"></font><span style=3D"DISPLAY:inline-block"></spa=
n></div>
  <div>=C2=A0Allan, to be honest, I can&#39;t imagine one reason to run a 2=
60 based=20
  engine in a Tiger, except if the goal is winning concours. The idea of ru=
nning=20
  a stroker 260 (even if only 302 crank) makes even less sense, as the lowe=
r end=20
  of the block needs to be machined/notched and you still end up with not m=
uch=20
  capability.</div>
  <div>=C2=A0</div>
  <div>The &quot;245hp&quot; 260 might have been a gross number, on a good =
day, with a=20
  tailwind...an honest 245hp from a 260 is likely going to need somewhere i=
n the=20
  6500rpm range to happen, with correlative loss of power under the curve.=
=20
  :)</div>
  <div>=C2=A0</div>
  <div>Just my two cents, but not really wanting to stir this pot-</div>
  <div>Mike</div>
  <div><br></div>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Allan Ballard via Tige=
rs=20
  &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">tigers@aut=
ox.team.net</a>&gt;<br>To:=20
  tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">tig=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;; Allan=20
  Ballard &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">a=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>Sent:=20
  Sat, Jun 20, 2015 1:04 pm<br>Subject: Re: [Tigers] 260 for the 21=20
  century<br><br>
  <div>
  <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000">Hello=20
  listers,<br><br>I&#39;m one of those folks who appreciates originality. <=
br><br>I=20
  wanted my Tiger&#39;s 260 to meet the originality test while meeting my p=
ower=20
  demands.<br><br>Alas, I didn&#39;t have the savvy to make that happen.<br=
><br>For=20
  cruising, a stock 260 isn&#39;t a bad choice but for performance...cubes=
=20
  mater.<br><br>So my stock engine went onto a stand and was replaced with =
a 5=20
  bolt 289 amended with a<br>302 rotating assembly... a 5 bolt 302 so to sp=
eak,=20
  making an acceptable 263 RWHP and comparable torque.<br><br>Visually, few=
=20
  people question the difference although the aluminum heads do spark=20
  questions.<br><br>I remain interested in the 260 engine - especially the =
245=20
  horsepower version advertised in period Tiger literature.<br><br>Allan=20
  Ballard<br>Atlanta, Georgia <br><br>
  <div>On 6/19/15 9:46 PM, Scott=20
  Hutchinson via Tigers wrote:<br></div>
  <blockquote type=3D"cite">
    <div>In many ways it&#39;s the most fun part of it.=C2=A0<br><br>Sent f=
rom my=20
    iPhone</div>
    <div><br>On Jun 19, 2015, at 2:33 PM, Stephen Waybright &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&g=
t;=20
    wrote:<br><br></div>
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      <div><span>Scott,</span></div>
      <div><span>That&#39;s funny and all to=20
      true with car projects. My car started as a restore to stock project =
with=20
      a few reliability/safety upgrades. Next thing you know, it&#39;s a fu=
ll on=20
      resto-mod from Dale A with a one of a kind suspension and other over =
the=20
      top upgrades. None of it makes sense after the fact, but when it&#39;=
s=20
      happening, each step seems like a small change of plan.</span></div>
      <div><br></div>
      <div>
      <div style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif">Stephen=
=20
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rom:</span></b> Scott=20
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rget=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b><span style=3D"FONT-WEI=
GHT:bold">To:</span></b> Tom Witt &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:atwittsend@verizon.=
net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=20
      <br><b><span style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT:bold">Cc:</span></b> &quot;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</=
a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">tig=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;=20
      <br><b><span style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT:bold">Sent:</span></b> Friday, June=
 19,=20
      2015 1:18 PM<br><b><span style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT:bold">Subject:</span></=
b> Re:=20
      [Tigers] 260 for the 21 century<br></font></div>
      <div><br>In my case it was mission creep.=20
      <br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Needed a throw out bearing.=C2=
=A0 Pulled=20
      engine.<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Thought maybe a new clut=
ch.=C2=A0 <br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Then,=C2=A0 valve guides wo=
uld be a good idea=20
      since there is no more lead. Screw in studs are a great way to streng=
then=20
      the top end. <br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">At work a good fri=
end wiped a=20
      cam on a 69 Camaro, so I thought a roller would be good.=C2=A0 <br cl=
ear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Gee that f4b on eBay loo=
ks=20
      nice.....<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">I&#39;m sure my story =
is unique....<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Sent =
from my iPhone<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">&gt; On Jun 19, 2015, a=
t 1:15 PM, Tom Witt via=20
      Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" shape=3D"rect" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none">&gt;=
 <br clear=3D"none">&gt; I&#39;ve notice over the years a desire for many t=
o build (up)=20
      a 260 engine in the quest for more power. While I can grasp the desir=
e to=20
      keep an original car - original, it seems the 260 no longer remains=
=20
      original with the modifications applied. So, I ask with nothing more =
than=20
      curiosity (no condemnation) why the pursuit?=C2=A0 Is it the mentione=
d=20
      desire for originality (at least to the block/heads that came in the =
car)?=20
      Is it simply the quest for the most power out of a 260 (only)? Or???<=
br clear=3D"none">&gt; <br clear=3D"none">&gt; The reason I ask is that my =
overly=20
      practical, frugal nature sees a well chosen, $150 junk yard roller ca=
m 302=20
      as producing a similar power result for significantly less cost.=C2=
=A0=20
      Now, I do have a 63 Rambler with an abysmal 6 cylinder motor (cast-in=
=20
      intake trough). And, yes, I&#39;ve wonder just what can be gotten out=
 of that=20
      with modifications. But actually doing it goes against my practical/f=
rugal=20
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Lot's of issues chasing horsepower with a 260 project. The 260's smaller
bore restricts valve size, valve shrouding occurs with any valve bigger than
1.85". The stock pistons barely produced 8.5:1 compression even with the
small-chamber heads, shaving the heads enough to get real compression brings
squish zones down to a few thousands and screws up flame front propagation,
so there is only so much that can be gained, plus the castings can't support
the port sizes needed for modern induction. Sure you can spin one to 8 grand
but it won't make much power because it won't breath, but I suppose a four
valve per cylinder head would cure that!

Once you decide to spend the $900 for custom pistons then doors open. A
3.40" stroke crank brings 313 cubic inches, and better breathing heads, a
full roller cam and valve train, and modern intakes all help build torque.
Still not a revver but a good street engine.

Of course you have to ask yourself WHY? I mean, who is going to know which
block is in your car? Who cares? Well some folks do, since I have built a
couple 260's for them. To them, bragging rights that it's the original
engine are important.  Others just prefer stashing the old 260 under the
bench and building something more modern. That's what I did with both my
Tigers, both sport 5-bolt 289 based engines.

I just finished another 5-bolt 331 engine (all Ford Motorsport components
this time) and have two more 5-bolt blocks left, then I think I'm done. 

Bugz

PS If you REALLY want a challenge I ran across a first-year 221 SBF.

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class=3DMsoNormal>Lot&#8217;s of issues chasing horsepower with a 260 =
project. The 260&#8217;s smaller bore restricts valve size, valve =
shrouding occurs with any valve bigger than 1.85&#8221;. The stock =
pistons barely produced 8.5:1 compression even with the small-chamber =
heads, shaving the heads enough to get real compression brings squish =
zones down to a few thousands and screws up flame front propagation, so =
there is only so much that can be gained, plus the castings can&#8217;t =
support the port sizes needed for modern induction. Sure you can spin =
one to 8 grand but it won&#8217;t make much power because it won&#8217;t =
breath, but I suppose a four valve per cylinder head would cure =
that!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Once you decide to spend the $900 for custom pistons =
then doors open. A 3.40&#8221; stroke crank brings 313 cubic inches, and =
better breathing heads, a full roller cam and valve train, and modern =
intakes all help build torque. Still not a revver but a good street =
engine.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Of course you have to ask yourself WHY? I mean, who is =
going to know which block is in your car? Who cares? Well some folks do, =
since I have built a couple 260&#8217;s for them. To them, bragging =
rights that it&#8217;s the original engine are important. &nbsp;Others =
just prefer stashing the old 260 under the bench and building something =
more modern. That&#8217;s what I did with both my Tigers, both sport =
5-bolt 289 based engines.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I just =
finished another 5-bolt 331 engine (all Ford Motorsport components this =
time) and have two more 5-bolt blocks left, then I think I&#8217;m done. =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Bugz<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>PS If you =
REALLY want a challenge I ran across a first-year 221 =
SBF&#8230;<o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>
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=20that=20is=20what=20it=20ran,=20we=20will=20be=20building=20a=20260=20for=20th=
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amily:;=20font-size:=2011pt;">=20Tigers=20[<a=20href=3D"mailto:tigers-bounces@au=
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0,=202015=201:13=20PM<br>=0D=0A=20<b>To:</b>=20<a=20href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.=
team.net">[email-masked]</a><br>=0D=0A=20<b>Subject:</b>=20Re:=20[Tigers]=
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