Subject: Re: [Tigers] high speed generator pulley

From: D or G at sbc via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 20:12:20 +0000 (UTC)

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The part number is C3OF-10130-B, the pulley is marked C3OF-B came on 1963/6=
4 High Performance generator cars, dia. is 4 1/4".. They are hard to find a=
nd expensive, average $150.00 and up. I think someone might be thinking abo=
ut reproducing them.I have attached pictures, hope they show up.
David Franchi
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      From: genepadgett--- via Tigers <[email-masked]>
 To: Tiger's List <[email-masked]>=20
 Sent: Monday, April 6, 2015 11:56 AM
 Subject: [Tigers] high speed generator pulley
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Hi All,
In the book Performance Tuning the Tiger there is mention and a picture of =
a larger than stock generator pulley which slows the generator down and mak=
es it happier to be run at higher motor RPM's. =C2=A0 Call me crazy, but I =
would like to find such a pulley and keep using a generator for the totally=
 stock look on my higher reving 347 motor. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 BTW, my current pu=
lley is about 3.25 inches in diameter.
My current generator needs to be replaced and I have a remanufactured one o=
n order. =C2=A0 It comes without a pulley. =C2=A0 So as long as I have to p=
ut a pulley on it, I am thinking if I could find a larger diameter one that=
 would fit, why not?
I know there are alternators now available packaged in a generator looking =
style case but I really do not want to go there at the present time.
So does anyone know anything about that larger diameter generator pulley me=
ntioned in the book? =C2=A0 A part number? =C2=A0Maybe it is stock for some=
 of the other generators back in the day?
Any and all info would be greatly appreciated, and thanks in advance.
Gene
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 part number is C3OF-10130-B, the pulley is marked C3OF-B came on 1963/64
 High Performance generator cars, dia. is 4 1/4".. They are hard to find an=
d expensive,=20
average $150.00 and up. I think someone might be thinking about=20
reproducing them.</div><div style=3D"" class=3D"" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_142834=
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3_16_0_1_1428349929644_9404">Hi All,</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_142834992=
9644_9407"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1428349929644_9408">In the boo=
k Performance Tuning the Tiger there is mention and a picture of a larger t=
han stock generator pulley which slows the generator down and makes it happ=
ier to be run at higher motor RPM's. &nbsp; Call me crazy, but I would like=
 to find such a pulley and keep using a generator for the totally stock loo=
k on my higher reving 347 motor. &nbsp; &nbsp; BTW, my current pulley is ab=
out 3.25 inches in diameter.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1428349929644_980=
6"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1428349929644_9586">My current generat=
or needs to be replaced and I have a remanufactured one on order. &nbsp; It=
 comes without a pulley. &nbsp; So as long as I have to put a pulley on it,=
 I am thinking if I could find a larger diameter one that would fit, why no=
t?</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1428349929644_9409"><br></div><div id=3D"yu=
i_3_16_0_1_1428349929644_9410">I know there are alternators now available p=
ackaged in a generator looking style case but I really do not want to go th=
ere at the present time.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1428349929644_9595"><=
br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1428349929644_10023">So does anyone know a=
nything about that larger diameter generator pulley mentioned in the book? =
&nbsp; A part number? &nbsp;Maybe it is stock for some of the other generat=
ors back in the day?</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1428349929644_9588"><br><=
/div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1428349929644_9857">Any and all info would be =
greatly appreciated, and thanks in advance.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_14=
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From: Mark Rense via Tigers <[email-masked]>
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I don=E2=80=99t think the Hi-Po pulley has the same offset as the Tiger =
pulley, you will have to redo the mounts if that is the case to get the =
belt aligned.

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I=E2=80=99ve been through this dilemma on Tigers and other old Fords =
with generators. They were marginal when five grand was the upper rev =
limit, today most modern engine rebuilds are good for 6500 or more. =
Mechanically the generator is not really designed to spin at high speeds =
very long (Tigers run around 3K at 70), the bearings will overheat and =
spall, the brushes float and arc, the commutator breaks down, and then =
really ugly things begin to happen. Going to the Hi-Po larger pulley =
helps but you now have a lack of current at lower speeds from a 25% or =
so reduction in rpm. The combination of your headlamps, tail lamps, =
gauges, fuel pump, and ignition will consume around 270 watts, =
that=E2=80=99s 20 amps at 13.5 volts, and the generators I=E2=80=99ve =
had rebuilt might pump out 25 amps on a good day at max rpm, but at =
cruising speeds you=E2=80=99re lucky to get half that. Add a GPS, =
cooling fan or other accessory and you will run out of juice.

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So what=E2=80=99s the option? Obviously an alternator is the way to go, =
even under-driven they put out three times the current. But they look so =
modern. As an alternative I have now installed three PowerGen =
alternators that look just like the generator. They can generate over 30 =
amps at idle and are good for 7000 rpm engines. They ain=E2=80=99t cheap =
but they look just like the OEM generator. They make a one-wire and a =
two-wire version, the Tiger offset pulley bolts right up.

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http://www.summitracing.com/parts/PWM-82101/

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The pictures are from my car.

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Bugz

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From: Tigers [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of =
genepadgett--- via Tigers
Sent: Monday, April 06, 2015 2:57 PM
To: Tiger's List
Subject: [Tigers] high speed generator pulley

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Hi All,

=20

In the book Performance Tuning the Tiger there is mention and a picture =
of a larger than stock generator pulley which slows the generator down =
and makes it happier to be run at higher motor RPM's.   Call me crazy, =
but I would like to find such a pulley and keep using a generator for =
the totally stock look on my higher reving 347 motor.     BTW, my =
current pulley is about 3.25 inches in diameter.

=20

My current generator needs to be replaced and I have a remanufactured =
one on order.   It comes without a pulley.   So as long as I have to put =
a pulley on it, I am thinking if I could find a la rger diameter one =
that would fit, why not?

=20

I know there are alternators now available packaged in a generator =
looking style case but I really do not want to go there at the present =
time.

=20

So does anyone know anything about that larger diameter generator pulley =
mentioned in the book?   A part number?  Maybe it is stock for some of =
the other generators back in the day?

=20

=20

Gene

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class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'>I don=E2=80=99t think the Hi-Po pulley has the same offset as the =
Tiger pulley, you will have to redo the mounts if that is the case to =
get the belt aligned.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'>I=E2=80=99ve been through this dilemma on Tigers and other old Fords =
with generators. They were marginal when five grand was the upper rev =
limit, today most modern engine rebuilds are good for 6500 or more. =
Mechanically the generator is not really designed to spin at high speeds =
very long (Tigers run around 3K at 70), the bearings will overheat and =
spall, the brushes float and arc, the commutator breaks down, and then =
really ugly things begin to happen. Going to the Hi-Po larger pulley =
helps but you now have a lack of current at lower speeds from a 25% or =
so reduction in rpm. The combination of your headlamps, tail lamps, =
gauges, fuel pump, and ignition will consume around 270 watts, =
that=E2=80=99s 20 amps at 13.5 volts, and the generators I=E2=80=99ve =
had rebuilt might pump out 25 amps on a good day at max rpm, but at =
cruising speeds you=E2=80=99re lucky to get half that. Add a GPS, =
cooling fan or other accessory and you will run out of =
juice.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'>So what=E2=80=99s the option? Obviously an alternator is the way to =
go, even under-driven they put out three times the current. But they =
look so modern. As an alternative I have now installed three PowerGen =
alternators that look just like the generator. They can generate over 30 =
amps at idle and are good for 7000 rpm engines. They ain=E2=80=99t cheap =
but they look just like the OEM generator. They make a one-wire and a =
two-wire version, the Tiger offset pulley bolts right =
up.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'><a =
href=3D"http://www.summitracing.com/parts/PWM-82101/">http://www.summitra=
cing.com/parts/PWM-82101/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'>The pictures are from my car.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'>Bugz<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
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0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Tigers [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>genepadgett--- via Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 06, 2015 =
2:57 PM<br><b>To:</b> Tiger's List<br><b>Subject:</b> [Tigers] high =
speed generator pulley<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>Hi =
All,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>In the book Performance =
Tuning the Tiger there is mention and a picture of a larger than stock =
generator pulley which slows the generator down and makes it happier to =
be run at higher motor RPM's. &nbsp; Call me crazy, but I would like to =
find such a pulley and keep using a generator for the totally stock look =
on my higher reving 347 motor. &nbsp; &nbsp; BTW, my current pulley is =
about 3.25 inches in diameter.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>My current generator needs =
to be replaced and I have a remanufactured one on order. &nbsp; It comes =
without a pulley. &nbsp; So as long as I have to put a pulley on it, I =
am thinking if I could find a la</span><span style=3D'color:#44546A'> =
</span><span style=3D'color:black'>rger diameter one that would fit, why =
not?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>I know there are =
alternators now available packaged in a generator looking style case but =
I really do not want to go there at the present =
time.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>So does anyone know =
anything about that larger diameter generator pulley mentioned in the =
book? &nbsp; A part number? &nbsp;Maybe it is stock for some of the =
other generators back in the day?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>Any and all info would be =
greatly appreciated, and thanks in =
advance.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>Gene<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></body>=
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Many thanks to all of you for sharing your collective wisdom. The expertise=
 available through all of you here on the List, and the willingness to shar=
e it, continues to amaze.=20

I did find what might be a useful under drive pulley.=20

https://www.npdlink.com/store/products/mustang_pulley_generator_stamped_fin=
s-100767-431.html=20

But at $280 it does not make sense to spend that amount of money together w=
ith the $110 for the remanufactured generator, I would have $390 invested i=
n a solution that is inferior to an generator look-alike alternator for abo=
ut the same amount of money. Plus something tells me that the pulley may on=
ly be 3.75 inches in diameter, whick would onlu give me about a 12 percent =
speed reduction. That is based on what I see for $900 on ebay:=20

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-Mustang-AC-Cobra-OE-Restored-Fomoco-HIPO-Gener=
ator-Dynamo-/350893612053?hash=3Ditem51b2e39c15&vxp=3Dmtr=20

Cost aside, I had not factored in the possibility my 347 may need a pusher =
fan for cooling in very hot, slow speed weather/driving conditions. So far =
in 80 degree weather last year, the griffin radiator, 6 blade fan and reduc=
ed diameter pulley keep things nicely in the desired 195-205 degree engine =
temp range. Have not had a chance to see how things go under more stressful=
 conditions. Thanks Mark L for mentioning a cooling aspect I had not though=
t of. Hate to have a generator setup that will not drive a pusher fan near =
idle if it turns out I need one.=20

So for the time being I will just stick with the new generator and stock pu=
lley. We will see it it lasts through its one year replacement warranty.!=
=20

I learned a lot through asking the questions, thanks again everyone for sha=
ring your knowledge.=20

Best regards, Gene=20

----- Original Message -----

From: "Mark Rense" <[email-masked]>=20
To: [email-masked]=20
Cc: "tigers" <[email-masked]>=20
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2015 5:35:02 PM=20
Subject: RE: [Tigers] high speed generator pulley=20

I don=E2=80=99t think the Hi-Po pulley has the same offset as the Tiger pul=
ley, you will have to redo the mounts if that is the case to get the belt a=
ligned.=20

I=E2=80=99ve been through this dilemma on Tigers and other old Fords with g=
enerators. They were marginal when five grand was the upper rev limit, toda=
y most modern engine rebuilds are good for 6500 or more. Mechanically the g=
enerator is not really designed to spin at high speeds very long (Tigers ru=
n around 3K at 70), the bearings will overheat and spall, the brushes float=
 and arc, the commutator breaks down, and then really ugly things begin to =
happen. Going to the Hi-Po larger pulley helps but you now have a lack of c=
urrent at lower speeds from a 25% or so reduction in rpm. The combination o=
f your headlamps, tail lamps, gauges, fuel pump, and ignition will consume =
around 270 watts, that=E2=80=99s 20 amps at 13.5 volts, and the generators =
I=E2=80=99ve had rebuilt might pump out 25 amps on a good day at max rpm, b=
ut at cruising speeds you=E2=80=99re lucky to get half that. Add a GPS, coo=
ling fan or other accessory and you will run out of juice.=20

So what=E2=80=99s the option? Obviously an alternator is the way to go, eve=
n under-driven they put out three times the current. But they look so moder=
n. As an alternative I have now installed three PowerGen alternators that l=
ook just like the generator. They can generate over 30 amps at idle and are=
 good for 7000 rpm engines. They ain=E2=80=99t cheap but they look just lik=
e the OEM generator. They make a one-wire and a two-wire version, the Tiger=
 offset pulley bolts right up.=20

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/PWM-82101/=20

The pictures are from my car.=20

Bugz=20

From: Tigers [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of genepadget=
t--- via Tigers=20
Sent: Monday, April 06, 2015 2:57 PM=20
To: Tiger's List=20
Subject: [Tigers] high speed generator pulley=20

Hi All,=20

In the book Performance Tuning the Tiger there is mention and a picture of =
a larger than stock generator pulley which slows the generator down and mak=
es it happier to be run at higher motor RPM's. Call me crazy, but I would l=
ike to find such a pulley and keep using a generator for the totally stock =
look on my higher reving 347 motor. BTW, my current pulley is about 3.25 in=
ches in diameter.=20

My current generator needs to be replaced and I have a remanufactured one o=
n order. It comes without a pulley. So as long as I have to put a pulley on=
 it, I am thinking if I could find a la rger diameter one that would fit, w=
hy not?=20

I know there are alternators now available packaged in a generator looking =
style case but I really do not want to go there at the present time.=20

So does anyone know anything about that larger diameter generator pulley me=
ntioned in the book? A part number? Maybe it is stock for some of the other=
 generators back in the day?=20

Any and all info would be greatly appreciated, and thanks in advance.=20

Gene=20

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<html><body><div style=3D"font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 12pt; co=
lor: #000000"><div>Many thanks to all of you for sharing your collective wi=
sdom. &nbsp;The expertise available through all of you here on the List, an=
d the willingness to share it, continues to amaze.<br></div><div><br></div>=
<div>I did find what might be a useful under drive pulley. &nbsp;</div><div=
><br></div><div><a href=3D"https://www.npdlink.com/store/products/mustang_p=
ulley_generator_stamped_fins-100767-431.html">https://www.npdlink.com/store=
/products/mustang_pulley_generator_stamped_fins-100767-431.html</a></div><d=
iv><br></div><div>But at $280 it does not make sense to spend that amount o=
f money together with the $110 for the remanufactured generator, I would ha=
ve $390 invested in a solution that is inferior to an generator look-alike =
alternator for about the same amount of money. &nbsp; Plus something tells =
me that the pulley may only be 3.75 inches in diameter, whick would onlu gi=
ve me about a 12 percent speed reduction. &nbsp; That is based on what I se=
e for $900 on ebay:</div><div><br></div><div>http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-M=
ustang-AC-Cobra-OE-Restored-Fomoco-HIPO-Generator-Dynamo-/350893612053?hash=
=3Ditem51b2e39c15&amp;vxp=3Dmtr</div><div><br></div><div>Cost aside, I had =
not factored in the possibility my 347 may need a pusher fan for cooling in=
 very hot, slow speed weather/driving conditions. &nbsp;So far in 80 degree=
 weather last year, the griffin radiator, 6 blade fan and reduced diameter =
pulley keep things nicely in the desired 195-205 degree engine temp range. =
&nbsp;Have not had a chance to see how things go under more stressful condi=
tions. &nbsp; Thanks Mark L for mentioning a cooling aspect I had not thoug=
ht of. &nbsp;Hate to have a generator setup that will not drive a pusher fa=
n near idle if it turns out I need one.</div><div><br></div><div>So for the=
 time being I will just stick with the new generator and stock pulley. &nbs=
p; We will see it it lasts through its one year replacement warranty.!</div=
><div><br></div><div>I learned a lot through asking the questions, thanks a=
gain everyone for sharing your knowledge.</div><div><br></div><div>Best reg=
ards, &nbsp;Gene</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><hr id=3D"zwchr"><div s=
tyle=3D"color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:non=
e;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><b>From: </b>"Mar=
k Rense" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>To: </b>[email-masked]<=
br><b>Cc: </b>"tigers" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Sent: </b>Monday=
, April 6, 2015 5:35:02 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>RE: [Tigers] high speed gener=
ator pulley<br><div><br></div><style><!--

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=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;=
;color:#44546A">I don=E2=80=99t think the Hi-Po pulley has the same offset =
as the Tiger pulley, you will have to redo the mounts if that is the case t=
o get the belt aligned.</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:=
#44546A">&nbsp;</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
1.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#44546A"=
>I=E2=80=99ve been through this dilemma on Tigers and other old Fords with =
generators. They were marginal when five grand was the upper rev limit, tod=
ay most modern engine rebuilds are good for 6500 or more. Mechanically the =
generator is not really designed to spin at high speeds very long (Tigers r=
un around 3K at 70), the bearings will overheat and spall, the brushes floa=
t and arc, the commutator breaks down, and then really ugly things begin to=
 happen. Going to the Hi-Po larger pulley helps but you now have a lack of =
current at lower speeds from a 25% or so reduction in rpm. The combination =
of your headlamps, tail lamps, gauges, fuel pump, and ignition will consume=
 around 270 watts, that=E2=80=99s 20 amps at 13.5 volts, and the generators=
 I=E2=80=99ve had rebuilt might pump out 25 amps on a good day at max rpm, =
but at cruising speeds you=E2=80=99re lucky to get half that. Add a GPS, co=
oling fan or other accessory and you will run out of juice.</span></p><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri=
&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#44546A">&nbsp;</span></p><p class=3D"M=
soNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&=
quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#44546A">So what=E2=80=99s the option? Obviousl=
y an alternator is the way to go, even under-driven they put out three time=
s the current. But they look so modern. As an alternative I have now instal=
led three PowerGen alternators that look just like the generator. They can =
generate over 30 amps at idle and are good for 7000 rpm engines. They ain=
=E2=80=99t cheap but they look just like the OEM generator. They make a one=
-wire and a two-wire version, the Tiger offset pulley bolts right up.</span=
></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&qu=
ot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#44546A">&nbsp;</span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calib=
ri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#44546A"><a href=3D"http://www.summit=
racing.com/parts/PWM-82101/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.summitracing.com/=
parts/PWM-82101/</a></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#44=
546A">&nbsp;</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0=
pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#44546A">&n=
bsp;</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#44546A">The pictur=
es are from my car.</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#445=
46A">&nbsp;</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0p=
t;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#44546A">Bug=
z</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#44546A">&nbsp;</span>=
</p><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3=
.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt=
;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-seri=
f&quot;"> Tigers [mailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of </b=
>genepadgett--- via Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 06, 2015 2:57 PM<b=
r><b>To:</b> Tiger's List<br><b>Subject:</b> [Tigers] high speed generator =
pulley</span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p><div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Hi All,</span></p></div><di=
v><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;</span></p></div=
><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">In the book Perfor=
mance Tuning the Tiger there is mention and a picture of a larger than stoc=
k generator pulley which slows the generator down and makes it happier to b=
e run at higher motor RPM's. &nbsp; Call me crazy, but I would like to find=
 such a pulley and keep using a generator for the totally stock look on my =
higher reving 347 motor. &nbsp; &nbsp; BTW, my current pulley is about 3.25=
 inches in diameter.</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span styl=
e=3D"color:black">&nbsp;</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:black">My current generator needs to be replaced and I have =
a remanufactured one on order. &nbsp; It comes without a pulley. &nbsp; So =
as long as I have to put a pulley on it, I am thinking if I could find a la=
</span><span style=3D"color:#44546A"> </span><span style=3D"color:black">rg=
er diameter one that would fit, why not?</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"M=
soNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;</span></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">I know there are alternators now=
 available packaged in a generator looking style case but I really do not w=
ant to go there at the present time.</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"M=
soNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">So does anyone know anything about th=
at larger diameter generator pulley mentioned in the book? &nbsp; A part nu=
mber? &nbsp;Maybe it is stock for some of the other generators back in the =
day?</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black=
">&nbsp;</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:b=
lack">Any and all info would be greatly appreciated, and thanks in advance.=
</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">&n=
bsp;</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black=
">Gene</span></p></div></div></div></div><div><br></div></div></body></html=
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From: D or G at sbc via Tigers <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2015 23:43:36 +0000 (UTC)

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The pulley/generator on eBay is not the hipo pulley, it is bigger than the =
stock Tiger pulley, but the 4 1/4 hipo.
David

=20
      From: genepadgett--- via Tigers <[email-masked]>
 To: Mark Rense <[email-masked]>=20
Cc: tigers <[email-masked]>=20
 Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 3:59 PM
 Subject: Re: [Tigers] high speed generator pulley
  =20
Many thanks to all of you for sharing your collective wisdom. =C2=A0The exp=
ertise available through all of you here on the List, and the willingness t=
o share it, continues to amaze.

I did find what might be a useful under drive pulley. =C2=A0
https://www.npdlink.com/store/products/mustang_pulley_generator_stamped_fin=
s-100767-431.html
But at $280 it does not make sense to spend that amount of money together w=
ith the $110 for the remanufactured generator, I would have $390 invested i=
n a solution that is inferior to an generator look-alike alternator for abo=
ut the same amount of money. =C2=A0 Plus something tells me that the pulley=
 may only be 3.75 inches in diameter, whick would onlu give me about a 12 p=
ercent speed reduction. =C2=A0 That is based on what I see for $900 on ebay=
:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-Mustang-AC-Cobra-OE-Restored-Fomoco-HIPO-Gener=
ator-Dynamo-/350893612053?hash=3Ditem51b2e39c15&vxp=3Dmtr
Cost aside, I had not factored in the possibility my 347 may need a pusher =
fan for cooling in very hot, slow speed weather/driving conditions. =C2=A0S=
o far in 80 degree weather last year, the griffin radiator, 6 blade fan and=
 reduced diameter pulley keep things nicely in the desired 195-205 degree e=
ngine temp range. =C2=A0Have not had a chance to see how things go under mo=
re stressful conditions. =C2=A0 Thanks Mark L for mentioning a cooling aspe=
ct I had not thought of. =C2=A0Hate to have a generator setup that will not=
 drive a pusher fan near idle if it turns out I need one.
So for the time being I will just stick with the new generator and stock pu=
lley. =C2=A0 We will see it it lasts through its one year replacement warra=
nty.!
I learned a lot through asking the questions, thanks again everyone for sha=
ring your knowledge.
Best regards, =C2=A0Gene

From: "Mark Rense" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Cc: "tigers" <[email-masked]>
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2015 5:35:02 PM
Subject: RE: [Tigers] high speed generator pulley

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yiv9175077777 I don=E2=80=99t think the Hi-Po pulley has the same offset as=
 the Tiger pulley, you will have to redo the mounts if that is the case to =
get the belt aligned.=C2=A0I=E2=80=99ve been through this dilemma on Tigers=
 and other old Fords with generators. They were marginal when five grand wa=
s the upper rev limit, today most modern engine rebuilds are good for 6500 =
or more. Mechanically the generator is not really designed to spin at high =
speeds very long (Tigers run around 3K at 70), the bearings will overheat a=
nd spall, the brushes float and arc, the commutator breaks down, and then r=
eally ugly things begin to happen. Going to the Hi-Po larger pulley helps b=
ut you now have a lack of current at lower speeds from a 25% or so reductio=
n in rpm. The combination of your headlamps, tail lamps, gauges, fuel pump,=
 and ignition will consume around 270 watts, that=E2=80=99s 20 amps at 13.5=
 volts, and the generators I=E2=80=99ve had rebuilt might pump out 25 amps =
on a good day at max rpm, but at cruising speeds you=E2=80=99re lucky to ge=
t half that. Add a GPS, cooling fan or other accessory and you will run out=
 of juice.=C2=A0So what=E2=80=99s the option? Obviously an alternator is th=
e way to go, even under-driven they put out three times the current. But th=
ey look so modern. As an alternative I have now installed three PowerGen al=
ternators that look just like the generator. They can generate over 30 amps=
 at idle and are good for 7000 rpm engines. They ain=E2=80=99t cheap but th=
ey look just like the OEM generator. They make a one-wire and a two-wire ve=
rsion, the Tiger offset pulley bolts right up.=C2=A0http://www.summitracing=
.com/parts/PWM-82101/=C2=A0=C2=A0The pictures are from my car.=C2=A0Bugz=C2=
=A0From: Tigers [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of genepad=
gett--- via Tigers
Sent: Monday, April 06, 2015 2:57 PM
To: Tiger's List
Subject: [Tigers] high speed generator pulley=C2=A0Hi All,=C2=A0In the book=
 Performance Tuning the Tiger there is mention and a picture of a larger th=
an stock generator pulley which slows the generator down and makes it happi=
er to be run at higher motor RPM's. =C2=A0 Call me crazy, but I would like =
to find such a pulley and keep using a generator for the totally stock look=
 on my higher reving 347 motor. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 BTW, my current pulley is abo=
ut 3.25 inches in diameter.=C2=A0My current generator needs to be replaced =
and I have a remanufactured one on order. =C2=A0 It comes without a pulley.=
 =C2=A0 So as long as I have to put a pulley on it, I am thinking if I coul=
d find a la rger diameter one that would fit, why not?=C2=A0I know there ar=
e alternators now available packaged in a generator looking style case but =
I really do not want to go there at the present time.=C2=A0So does anyone k=
now anything about that larger diameter generator pulley mentioned in the b=
ook? =C2=A0 A part number? =C2=A0Maybe it is stock for some of the other ge=
nerators back in the day?=C2=A0Any and all info would be greatly appreciate=
d, and thanks in advance.=C2=A0Gene

[email-masked]

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nt-size:14px"><div style=3D"" class=3D"" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1428442779832_4=
6621" dir=3D"ltr">The pulley/generator on eBay is not the hipo pulley, it i=
s bigger than the stock Tiger pulley, but the 4 1/4 hipo.</div><div style=
=3D"" class=3D"" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_142845016991=
3_2795" style=3D"" class=3D"" dir=3D"ltr">David<br style=3D"" class=3D""></=
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span></span></div><br> <blockquote id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1428450169913_2799" s=
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op: 5px; padding-left: 5px;">  <div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1428450169913_2798" =
style=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Luci=
da Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"> <div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_142845016=
9913_2797" style=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, =
Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_=
1_1428450169913_2796" dir=3D"ltr"> <hr size=3D"1">  <font id=3D"yui_3_16_0_=
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ght:bold;">From:</span></b> genepadgett--- via Tigers &lt;[email-masked]=
.net&gt;<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Mark Rens=
e &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br><b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Cc:=
</span></b> tigers &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br> <b><span style=3D"fon=
t-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, April 7, 2015 3:59 PM<br> <b><sp=
an style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Tigers] high speed=
 generator pulley<br> </font> </div> <div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1428450169913_=
2801" class=3D"y_msg_container"><br><div id=3D"yiv9175077777"><div id=3D"yu=
i_3_16_0_1_1428450169913_2804"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1428450169913_2803" =
style=3D"font-family:Times New Roman;font-size:12pt;color:#000000;"><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1428450169913_2802">Many thanks to all of you for sharing =
your collective wisdom. &nbsp;The expertise available through all of you he=
re on the List, and the willingness to share it, continues to amaze.<br cle=
ar=3D"none"></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1428450169913_2805"><br clear=3D"=
none"></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1428450169913_2852">I did find what mig=
ht be a useful under drive pulley. &nbsp;</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1428=
450169913_2853"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1428450169=
913_2807"><a id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1428450169913_2806" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=
=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://www.npdlink.com/store/products/=
mustang_pulley_generator_stamped_fins-100767-431.html">https://www.npdlink.=
com/store/products/mustang_pulley_generator_stamped_fins-100767-431.html</a=
></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1428450169913_2808"><br clear=3D"none"></div=
><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1428450169913_2809">But at $280 it does not make s=
ense to spend that amount of money together with the $110 for the remanufac=
tured generator, I would have $390 invested in a solution that is inferior =
to an generator look-alike alternator for about the same amount of money. &=
nbsp; Plus something tells me that the pulley may only be 3.75 inches in di=
ameter, whick would onlu give me about a 12 percent speed reduction. &nbsp;=
 That is based on what I see for $900 on ebay:</div><div><br clear=3D"none"=
></div><div>http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-Mustang-AC-Cobra-OE-Restored-Fomoc=
o-HIPO-Generator-Dynamo-/350893612053?hash=3Ditem51b2e39c15&amp;vxp=3Dmtr</=
div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Cost aside, I had not factored in th=
e possibility my 347 may need a pusher fan for cooling in very hot, slow sp=
eed weather/driving conditions. &nbsp;So far in 80 degree weather last year=
, the griffin radiator, 6 blade fan and reduced diameter pulley keep things=
 nicely in the desired 195-205 degree engine temp range. &nbsp;Have not had=
 a chance to see how things go under more stressful conditions. &nbsp; Than=
ks Mark L for mentioning a cooling aspect I had not thought of. &nbsp;Hate =
to have a generator setup that will not drive a pusher fan near idle if it =
turns out I need one.</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>So for the ti=
me being I will just stick with the new generator and stock pulley. &nbsp; =
We will see it it lasts through its one year replacement warranty.!</div><d=
iv><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>I learned a lot through asking the questio=
ns, thanks again everyone for sharing your knowledge.</div><div><br clear=
=3D"none"></div><div>Best regards, &nbsp;Gene</div><div><br clear=3D"none">=
</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><hr id=3D"yiv9175077777zwchr"><div clas=
s=3D"qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class=3D"yiv9175077777yqt9852602438"=
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ont-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-se=
rif;font-size:12pt;"><b>From: </b>"Mark Rense" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<=
br clear=3D"none"><b>To: </b>[email-masked]<br clear=3D"none"><b>C=
c: </b>"tigers" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=3D"none"><b>Sent: </=
b>Monday, April 6, 2015 5:35:02 PM<br clear=3D"none"><b>Subject: </b>RE: [T=
igers] high speed generator pulley<br clear=3D"none"><div><br clear=3D"none=
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#yiv9175077777 </style><div class=3D"yiv9175077777WordSection1"><div class=
=3D"yiv9175077777MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;">I don=E2=80=
=99t think the Hi-Po pulley has the same offset as the Tiger pulley, you wi=
ll have to redo the mounts if that is the case to get the belt aligned.</sp=
an></div><div class=3D"yiv9175077777MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.=
0pt;">&nbsp;</span></div><div class=3D"yiv9175077777MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:11.0pt;">I=E2=80=99ve been through this dilemma on Tigers and=
 other old Fords with generators. They were marginal when five grand was th=
e upper rev limit, today most modern engine rebuilds are good for 6500 or m=
ore. Mechanically the generator is not really designed to spin at high spee=
ds very long (Tigers run around 3K at 70), the bearings will overheat and s=
pall, the brushes float and arc, the commutator breaks down, and then reall=
y ugly things begin to happen. Going to the Hi-Po larger pulley helps but y=
ou now have a lack of current at lower speeds from a 25% or so reduction in=
 rpm. The combination of your headlamps, tail lamps, gauges, fuel pump, and=
 ignition will consume around 270 watts, that=E2=80=99s 20 amps at 13.5 vol=
ts, and the generators I=E2=80=99ve had rebuilt might pump out 25 amps on a=
 good day at max rpm, but at cruising speeds you=E2=80=99re lucky to get ha=
lf that. Add a GPS, cooling fan or other accessory and you will run out of =
juice.</span></div><div class=3D"yiv9175077777MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:11.0pt;">&nbsp;</span></div><div class=3D"yiv9175077777MsoNormal"><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;">So what=E2=80=99s the option? Obviously an =
alternator is the way to go, even under-driven they put out three times the=
 current. But they look so modern. As an alternative I have now installed t=
hree PowerGen alternators that look just like the generator. They can gener=
ate over 30 amps at idle and are good for 7000 rpm engines. They ain=E2=80=
=99t cheap but they look just like the OEM generator. They make a one-wire =
and a two-wire version, the Tiger offset pulley bolts right up.</span></div=
><div class=3D"yiv9175077777MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;">&n=
bsp;</span></div><div class=3D"yiv9175077777MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-=
size:11.0pt;"><a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"=
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/PWM-82101/">http://www.summitracing.com/p=
arts/PWM-82101/</a></span></div><div class=3D"yiv9175077777MsoNormal"><span=
 style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;">&nbsp;</span></div><div class=3D"yiv9175077777=
MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;">&nbsp;</span></div><div class=
=3D"yiv9175077777MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;">The pictures =
are from my car.</span></div><div class=3D"yiv9175077777MsoNormal"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:11.0pt;">&nbsp;</span></div><div class=3D"yiv9175077777Mso=
Normal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;">Bugz</span></div><div class=3D"yi=
v9175077777MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;">&nbsp;</span></div>=
<div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt=
 0in 0in 0in;"><div class=3D"yiv9175077777MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font=
-size:10.0pt;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> Tigers [m=
ailto:[email-masked]] <b>On Behalf Of </b>genepadgett--- via=
 Tigers<br clear=3D"none"><b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 06, 2015 2:57 PM<br cl=
ear=3D"none"><b>To:</b> Tiger's List<br clear=3D"none"><b>Subject:</b> [Tig=
ers] high speed generator pulley</span></div></div></div><div class=3D"yiv9=
175077777MsoNormal">&nbsp;</div><div><div><div class=3D"yiv9175077777MsoNor=
mal"><span style=3D"color:black;">Hi All,</span></div></div><div><div class=
=3D"yiv9175077777MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;">&nbsp;</span></div=
></div><div><div class=3D"yiv9175077777MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:blac=
k;">In the book Performance Tuning the Tiger there is mention and a picture=
 of a larger than stock generator pulley which slows the generator down and=
 makes it happier to be run at higher motor RPM's. &nbsp; Call me crazy, bu=
t I would like to find such a pulley and keep using a generator for the tot=
ally stock look on my higher reving 347 motor. &nbsp; &nbsp; BTW, my curren=
t pulley is about 3.25 inches in diameter.</span></div></div><div><div clas=
s=3D"yiv9175077777MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;">&nbsp;</span></di=
v></div><div><div class=3D"yiv9175077777MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:bla=
ck;">My current generator needs to be replaced and I have a remanufactured =
one on order. &nbsp; It comes without a pulley. &nbsp; So as long as I have=
 to put a pulley on it, I am thinking if I could find a la</span><span styl=
e=3D"color:#44546A;"> </span><span style=3D"color:black;">rger diameter one=
 that would fit, why not?</span></div></div><div><div class=3D"yiv917507777=
7MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;">&nbsp;</span></div></div><div><div=
 class=3D"yiv9175077777MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;">I know there=
 are alternators now available packaged in a generator looking style case b=
ut I really do not want to go there at the present time.</span></div></div>=
<div><div class=3D"yiv9175077777MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;">&nb=
sp;</span></div></div><div><div class=3D"yiv9175077777MsoNormal"><span styl=
e=3D"color:black;">So does anyone know anything about that larger diameter =
generator pulley mentioned in the book? &nbsp; A part number? &nbsp;Maybe i=
t is stock for some of the other generators back in the day?</span></div></=
div><div><div class=3D"yiv9175077777MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;"=
>&nbsp;</span></div></div><div><div class=3D"yiv9175077777MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"color:black;">Any and all info would be greatly appreciated, and t=
hanks in advance.</span></div></div><div><div class=3D"yiv9175077777MsoNorm=
al"><span style=3D"color:black;">&nbsp;</span></div></div><div><div class=
=3D"yiv9175077777MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;">Gene</span></div><=
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Also keep in mind the Tiger uses a special pulley that has a  =
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From: [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]]=20
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 6:59 PM
To: Mark Rense
Cc: tigers
Subject: Re: [Tigers] high speed generator pulley

=20

Many thanks to all of you for sharing your collective wisdom.  The =
expertise available through all of you here on the List, and the =
willingness to share it, continues to amaze.

=20

I did find what might be a useful under drive pulley. =20

=20

https://www.npdlink.com/store/products/mustang_pulley_generator_stamped_f=
ins-100767-431.html

=20

But at $280 it does not make sense to spend that amount of money =
together with the $110 for the remanufactured generator, I would have =
$390 invested in a solution that is inferior to an generator look-alike =
alternator for about the same amount of money.   Plus something tells me =
that the pulley may only be 3.75 inches in diameter, whick would onlu =
give me about a 12 percent speed reduction.   That is based on what I =
see for $900 on ebay:

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-Mustang-AC-Cobra-OE-Restored-Fomoco-HIPO-Gen=
erator-Dynamo-/350893612053?hash=3Ditem51b2e39c15 =
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-Mustang-AC-Cobra-OE-Restored-Fomoco-HIPO-Ge=
nerator-Dynamo-/350893612053?hash=3Ditem51b2e39c15&vxp=3Dmtr> &vxp=3Dmtr

=20

Cost aside, I had not factored in the possibility my 347 may need a =
pusher fan for cooling in very hot, slow speed weather/driving =
conditions.  So far in 80 degree weather last year, the griffin =
radiator, 6 blade fan and reduced diameter pulley keep things nicely in =
the desired 195-205 degree engine temp range.  Have not had a chance to =
see how things go under more stressful conditions.   Thanks Mark L for =
mentioning a cooling aspect I had not thought of.  Hate to have a =
generator setup that will not drive a pusher fan near idle if it turns =
out I need one.

=20

So for the time being I will just stick with the new generator and stock =
pulley.   We will see it it lasts through its one year replacement =
warranty.!

=20

I learned a lot through asking the questions, thanks again everyone for =
sharing your knowledge.

=20

Best regards,  Gene

=20

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Bugz

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A'>Also keep in mind the Tiger uses a special pulley that has a =
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pulley.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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[email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]] =
<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 07, 2015 6:59 PM<br><b>To:</b> Mark =
Rense<br><b>Cc:</b> tigers<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] high speed =
generator pulley<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>Many thanks to all of you =
for sharing your collective wisdom. &nbsp;The expertise available =
through all of you here on the List, and the willingness to share it, =
continues to amaze.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>I did find what might be a =
useful under drive pulley. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'><a =
href=3D"https://www.npdlink.com/store/products/mustang_pulley_generator_s=
tamped_fins-100767-431.html">https://www.npdlink.com/store/products/musta=
ng_pulley_generator_stamped_fins-100767-431.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></p=
></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>But at $280 it does not =
make sense to spend that amount of money together with the $110 for the =
remanufactured generator, I would have $390 invested in a solution that =
is inferior to an generator look-alike alternator for about the same =
amount of money. &nbsp; Plus something tells me that the pulley may only =
be 3.75 inches in diameter, whick would onlu give me about a 12 percent =
speed reduction. &nbsp; That is based on what I see for $900 on =
ebay:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'><a =
href=3D"http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-Mustang-AC-Cobra-OE-Restored-Fomoco-=
HIPO-Generator-Dynamo-/350893612053?hash=3Ditem51b2e39c15&amp;vxp=3Dmtr">=
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-Mustang-AC-Cobra-OE-Restored-Fomoco-HIPO-Gen=
erator-Dynamo-/350893612053?hash=3Ditem51b2e39c15&amp;vxp=3Dmtr</a><o:p><=
/o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>Cost aside, I had not =
factored in the possibility my 347 may need a pusher fan for cooling in =
very hot, slow speed weather/driving conditions. &nbsp;So far in 80 =
degree weather last year, the griffin radiator, 6 blade fan and reduced =
diameter pulley keep things nicely in the desired 195-205 degree engine =
temp range. &nbsp;Have not had a chance to see how things go under more =
stressful conditions. &nbsp; Thanks Mark L for mentioning a cooling =
aspect I had not thought of. &nbsp;Hate to have a generator setup that =
will not drive a pusher fan near idle if it turns out I need =
one.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>So for the time being I =
will just stick with the new generator and stock pulley. &nbsp; We will =
see it it lasts through its one year replacement =
warranty.!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>I learned a lot through =
asking the questions, thanks again everyone for sharing your =
knowledge.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>Best regards, =
&nbsp;Gene<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div =
class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><span =
style=3D'color:black'><hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter =
id=3Dzwchr></span></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>From: =
</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>&quot;Mark =
Rense&quot; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>To:=
 </b><a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br><b=
>Cc: </b>&quot;tigers&quot; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b=
>Sent: </b>Monday, April 6, 2015 5:35:02 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>RE: =
[Tigers] high speed generator pulley<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'>I don=E2=80=99t think the Hi-Po pulley has the same offset as the =
Tiger pulley, you will have to redo the mounts if that is the case to =
get the belt aligned.</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'>&nbsp;</span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'>I=E2=80=99ve been through this dilemma on Tigers and other old Fords =
with generators. They were marginal when five grand was the upper rev =
limit, today most modern engine rebuilds are good for 6500 or more. =
Mechanically the generator is not really designed to spin at high speeds =
very long (Tigers run around 3K at 70), the bearings will overheat and =
spall, the brushes float and arc, the commutator breaks down, and then =
really ugly things begin to happen. Going to the Hi-Po larger pulley =
helps but you now have a lack of current at lower speeds from a 25% or =
so reduction in rpm. The combination of your headlamps, tail lamps, =
gauges, fuel pump, and ignition will consume around 270 watts, =
that=E2=80=99s 20 amps at 13.5 volts, and the generators I=E2=80=99ve =
had rebuilt might pump out 25 amps on a good day at max rpm, but at =
cruising speeds you=E2=80=99re lucky to get half that. Add a GPS, =
cooling fan or other accessory and you will run out of =
juice.</span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'>&nbsp;</span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'>So what=E2=80=99s the option? Obviously an alternator is the way to =
go, even under-driven they put out three times the current. But they =
look so modern. As an alternative I have now installed three PowerGen =
alternators that look just like the generator. They can generate over 30 =
amps at idle and are good for 7000 rpm engines. They ain=E2=80=99t cheap =
but they look just like the OEM generator. They make a one-wire and a =
two-wire version, the Tiger offset pulley bolts right up.</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'>&nbsp;</span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'><a href=3D"http://www.summitracing.com/parts/PWM-82101/" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.summitracing.com/parts/PWM-82101/</a></span>=
<span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'>&nbsp;</span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'>&nbsp;</span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'>The pictures are from my car.</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'>&nbsp;</span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'>Bugz</span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546=
A'>&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
 Tigers [<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mailto:tigers-bounces@autox=
.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>genepadgett--- via =
Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 06, 2015 2:57 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
Tiger's List<br><b>Subject:</b> [Tigers] high speed generator =
pulley</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>Hi =
All,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>In the book Performance =
Tuning the Tiger there is mention and a picture of a larger than stock =
generator pulley which slows the generator down and makes it happier to =
be run at higher motor RPM's. &nbsp; Call me crazy, but I would like to =
find such a pulley and keep using a generator for the totally stock look =
on my higher reving 347 motor. &nbsp; &nbsp; BTW, my current pulley is =
about 3.25 inches in diameter.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>My current generator needs =
to be replaced and I have a remanufactured one on order. &nbsp; It comes =
without a pulley. &nbsp; So as long as I have to put a pulley on it, I =
am thinking if I could find a la</span><span style=3D'color:#44546A'> =
</span><span style=3D'color:black'>rger diameter one that would fit, why =
not?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>I know there are =
alternators now available packaged in a generator looking style case but =
I really do not want to go there at the present =
time.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>So does anyone know =
anything about that larger diameter generator pulley mentioned in the =
book? &nbsp; A part number? &nbsp;Maybe it is stock for some of the =
other generators back in the day?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>Any and all info would be =
greatly appreciated, and thanks in =
advance.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>Gene<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p=
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style=3D'color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div></div></div></bod=
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