From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 1 12:58:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90B424040B for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2013 12:58:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f176.google.com (mail-vc0-f176.google.com [209.85.220.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1BD440451 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2013 12:40:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-vc0-f176.google.com with SMTP id ia6so3129411vcb.21 for ; Fri, 01 Nov 2013 11:38:53 -0700 (PDT) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=3jtrwTKWLKX3V1hPNAu1Psdrh48spCh1hos95kRSWSw=; b=POezjOZZU7hLXxGsDE3VwOOrTHyG8lZoAuBrHk5frRBVzqLo9PHuMU9O8INyBWTPKs v0no4SFme0feqcmFt8c0h6/poefh9GwzAaiuEeenhUv1vmSTHtHjHxtYZn4jprvEzrZy ddnrpbo1pNjuGrRfTh0hhIBBSMnesGJZxE4q16oj5KEJ7ywdBfCO0684fkiaO6BDvTO8 aVy53GLyB9Do8clb570VP7CCpnEz3aIqrRDsNAgLUzRFSK+qlfpWMo48RE4uGJ8v6X28 pMJICGgiXVsoArYxzEpN1WCpaLWmS/FsZEQuuh1+NqdFZas+UY5i4Sq6RXfIjxneM4xj E+2A== dr3mr112623vec.36.1383325342762; Fri, 01 Nov 2013 10:02:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.218.140 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Nov 2013 10:02:22 -0700 (PDT) References: <022a01ced6a1$cdc1ec40$6945c4c0$@com> Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 10:02:22 -0700 From: Jay Laifman To: James Pickard Cc: Tiger List Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacing Door Windows - Documentation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net We are putting it on tigersunited. Thanks for doing it! Jay On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 6:28 PM, James Pickard wrote: > I have documented how to replace door windows in a 5 page Word document > complete with 10 photos. > > > > Anyone wishing to receive it, send me an e-mail, even if you have expressed > interest before (I deleted those). > > > > Please let me know where I can post it to make it readily available to > everyone. > > > > James Pickard > > B9473298 > > Beaufort, SC > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 1 21:02:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30179403DD for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2013 21:02:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 246A1403DD for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2013 20:57:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([10.127.143.51]) by cdptpa-qmta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20131102005256737.FFOA29869@cdptpa-qmta01.mail.rr.com> for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 00:52:56 +0000 a=58AQjy34UZ/GSAVUaz6wpA==:17 a=253cKie21zsA:10 a=dgcBjRS8B4UA:10 a=zTVDa7HKqxcA:10 a=doupyKFmAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=aqcAqkWUx9EA:10 a=XKXiM_vxkLvFqNL8jvYA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=i8cx1x9TmQEA:10 a=R7qs5Krs4GIA:10 a=rYEWExgLQfISEoJtwIoA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=AfkkXffo6PgA:10 a=ZwvnQMdMGjAA:10 a=58AQjy34UZ/GSAVUaz6wpA==:117 Received: from [72.224.119.118] ([72.224.119.118:50753] helo=[192.168.1.124]) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id BD/DD-00701-4AC44725; Sat, 02 Nov 2013 00:51:48 +0000 Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2013 20:51:45 -0400 From: Tod Brown User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 To: Tigers@autox.team.net, "James Pickard" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacing Door Windows Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net A good place to post it is on Tigers Unitedor the SAOCA web site. Tod Brown B382002384LRXFE TAC #864 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 5 15:34:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 514924313D for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 15:34:17 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc3-s12.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s12.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.150]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 818C943077 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 15:12:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from BAY177-W22 ([65.54.190.188]) by bay0-omc3-s12.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 5 Nov 2013 14:07:51 -0800 From: David or Gary Franchi To: Tiger E-mail Q&A Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 14:07:51 -0800 References: <022a01ced6a1$cdc1ec40$6945c4c0$@com> FILETIME=[78706890:01CEDA73] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacing Door Windows - Documentation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wow, 9K for a parts car, I don't think the MKII trim and other "Tiger" parts are worth that much. I believe this car is past restoration, what isn't rusted out looks to be in pretty poor condition. My calculations, with high est. for good parts, only comes to $8,500 or so, and it doesn't look like there are many "good" parts. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=271310566900 David _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 5 16:09:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36246431D5 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 16:09:04 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f170.google.com (mail-vc0-f170.google.com [209.85.220.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C2B442F47 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 15:40:52 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-vc0-f170.google.com with SMTP id hv10so6106421vcb.15 for ; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 14:38:54 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=R+GFBGEPL4VNl8nzIpkkMD5sT2S4g/vF+a+rmTLmJn0=; b=a2QBs5nD29vn0P0R3ytGOMdG0Su5SDMIhLQ7YUwDFLChOIkC2XZ3aB/D4WjSr62RNr 5LVunkcPpBTzwJvgDaOVbnbxz8h7dT12crEqX9kW84xef2wg92Gdkv0WZk/Py0qUqJlE VMdHzHuZ5tswWJzPzlkxTZbPjykz/UeVWzEN7zALebewAQU9NLChcV4SgNEbMujM9Q3J 2dqpGxdsA+lJMj1k9wMJLcLPsXOLEaJWFTfrgdtEgZQfn9wc+jZCJDkUXrmQIzF1n7kU VLhoE+NxG3wfeJ+2wHhdfwOry71zo32MXgg0RA7EOLmz02E7pbT9bgwblAxafad56cpD o96A== Tue, 05 Nov 2013 14:38:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.218.140 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 14:38:54 -0800 (PST) References: <022a01ced6a1$cdc1ec40$6945c4c0$@com> Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 14:38:54 -0800 From: Jay Laifman To: David or Gary Franchi Cc: Tiger E-mail Q&A Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacing Door Windows - Documentation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I could be completely wrong on this. But didn't the Tiger II not have the spare tire depression? Or was it just the battery box top that was gone. On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 2:07 PM, David or Gary Franchi wrote: > Wow, 9K for a parts car, I don't think the MKII > trim and other "Tiger" parts > are worth that much. I believe this car is past restoration, what isn't > rusted out looks to be in pretty poor condition. My calculations, with high > est. for good parts, only comes to $8,500 or so, and it doesn't look like > there are many "good" parts. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=271310566900 > David > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 5 16:57:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27CA8430E1 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 16:57:05 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qc0-f177.google.com (mail-qc0-f177.google.com [209.85.216.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06FC343050 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 16:25:33 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qc0-f177.google.com with SMTP id u18so5272239qcx.36 for ; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 15:23:35 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=QP2hOBF0e6x5adbAPhaFdl+8wZYVZBzXDLdu44NyS1M=; b=bg//yI0sRRDXw6rHpbd0hroic5zaikpK2BqO7Fta0mKEXLZ/xz8ZnynaHEpa/1lEBz DnAYz/VdCEHwSQBe29vqQmkITex2f4Gm+RtDuLW+XMOAYojbXnV44d2Q8yTe/ca/dq4x LFV/C0GOkFNHFbgvgMdW90ucwMQ8k/rUNrHBK7WjQpNAb6wcSBfajD3M2HX4t75EvIzk pL5svd6RLymCccRvjHbiiQ5meEtu4/uZAyyAxGC7UUJj4rzsySyXAMghXHG5bknG+USW H1PezWfMX5Pt8IiQ2z/D0ZCYycBoBNAx7wYP0OuDBf3qZlvSgYwW9kXqn0TAigyxrhyp tiVw== o16mr1642064qay.58.1383693814857; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 15:23:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.96.225.104 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 15:23:34 -0800 (PST) References: <022a01ced6a1$cdc1ec40$6945c4c0$@com> Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 18:23:34 -0500 From: Tom Parker To: Jay Laifman Cc: Tiger E-mail Q&A Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacing Door Windows - Documentation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jay, if you're talking about in the trunk, yes, it's there; they mounted the fuel pump across / in it. Tom '67 Mark 2 On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Jay Laifman wrote: > I could be completely wrong on this. But didn't the Tiger II not have the > spare tire depression? Or was it just the battery box top that was gone. > > > > > On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 2:07 PM, David or Gary Franchi >wrote: > > > Wow, 9K for a parts car, I don't think the MKII > > trim and other "Tiger" parts > > are worth that much. I believe this car is past restoration, what isn't > > rusted out looks to be in pretty poor condition. My calculations, with > high > > est. for good parts, only comes to $8,500 or so, and it doesn't look > like > > there are many "good" parts. > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=271310566900 > > David > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tigers@autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 5 16:58:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A1BB4323B for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 16:58:04 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f177.google.com (mail-ve0-f177.google.com [209.85.128.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B843943035 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 16:31:46 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ve0-f177.google.com with SMTP id oz11so2985448veb.22 for ; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 15:29:48 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=dmu8+csD1pizR1qPduGxOmLnlcil2Akprr8B8nZZTzk=; b=0mGWEElpLAihioIrovjtFFNOSwzKydldedHb7bFHv2GVzaQVX9b74veVg1APA2ra2M LAdvRReb3+b8nZUgvaHzOlJ0puB/9SRjtZX/pI4oUXCnr9QHGgkd0B2XL3LlRDbJW1Sw XPatZh5bUzVldAMbC26MCtdEXeFdiLWwWfroHqd0b7iCnv4g1HBSyVI2DqJNUk7QsdQW RMXWBAoYW2gpzwvqnjxjpQnX0bMTmB7iFT3z9YrBqbiyhOwcKdKwLWiWH6UB5fJwBNvS XU7BQsF/NNWYbXue1xOFzP/RU4cQL9UHkapanXSpq1zdpQPW9aj8Z8aLoO5ocZQ/YhVi I3HA== vj14mr39754vcb.17.1383694188508; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 15:29:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.218.140 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 15:29:48 -0800 (PST) References: <022a01ced6a1$cdc1ec40$6945c4c0$@com> Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 15:29:48 -0800 From: Jay Laifman To: Tom Parker Cc: Tiger E-mail Q&A Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacing Door Windows - Documentation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Ah. Ok. Like I said, I could be wrong, and I was. At least it gave some traffic to the group, even if at my expense ... On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Tom Parker wrote: > Jay, if you're talking about in the trunk, yes, it's there; they mounted > the fuel pump across / in it. > > Tom > '67 Mark 2 > > > On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Jay Laifman wrote: > >> I could be completely wrong on this. But didn't the Tiger II not have the >> spare tire depression? Or was it just the battery box top that was gone. >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 2:07 PM, David or Gary Franchi > >wrote: >> >> > Wow, 9K for a parts car, I don't think the MKII >> > trim and other "Tiger" parts >> > are worth that much. I believe this car is past restoration, what isn't >> > rusted out looks to be in pretty poor condition. My calculations, with >> high >> > est. for good parts, only comes to $8,500 or so, and it doesn't look >> like >> > there are many "good" parts. >> > >> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=271310566900 >> > David >> > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > tigers@autox.team.net >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> > Unsubscribe: >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 5 17:06:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B59643195 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 17:06:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f49.google.com (mail-qa0-f49.google.com [209.85.216.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54D5842FB5 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 16:38:23 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qa0-f49.google.com with SMTP id cm18so1520493qab.8 for ; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 15:36:18 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=DY/ekfQmtt0NYdx0iwogFADAR/tPdDRBLDs9deVATOQ=; b=x5d2AbD24OtsnAmxJVukFOxC3J1DIhgTZ/3goj57TWaWTCvYVKn/YOEJlyw2AtEAFe brJlfLlvdrIN16/JW8ozMvTbocv5aWutBgEdiV+2ycPAlSyk6ww56hlIX0bUsz+BngdI 2ANp/A35r0K2ynfXnlKz++b8gwg/WJ4nZkYwg70bcaIoS4laWBRiJIP+o9rHBq+g0KIt AsAIIuXjN1i4ERJS87sakypKL8N7Nwr0vutWwXM1eKxia9QQEQdt9/okqaPNva88EVD0 //sQ6DRVXOuo87RYo0zPwKJRZ5qDOvNv4CiZefzIDUJhRGdaJrEdqTtDPeNc2+bq12TK VAXQ== b6mr1671338qar.11.1383694578762; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 15:36:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.224.131.129 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 15:36:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.224.131.129 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 15:36:18 -0800 (PST) References: <022a01ced6a1$cdc1ec40$6945c4c0$@com> Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 18:36:18 -0500 From: Jim Sencindiver To: Jay Laifman Cc: Tiger List Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacing Door Windows - Documentation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The Mk II has the spare tire depression. Battery box cover was eliminated. On Nov 5, 2013 6:07 PM, "Jay Laifman" wrote: > I could be completely wrong on this. But didn't the Tiger II not have the > spare tire depression? Or was it just the battery box top that was gone. > > > > > On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 2:07 PM, David or Gary Franchi >wrote: > > > Wow, 9K for a parts car, I don't think the MKII > > trim and other "Tiger" parts > > are worth that much. I believe this car is past restoration, what isn't > > rusted out looks to be in pretty poor condition. My calculations, with > high > > est. for good parts, only comes to $8,500 or so, and it doesn't look > like > > there are many "good" parts. > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=271310566900 > > David > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tigers@autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jd.sencindiver@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 5 17:23:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E38E4321C for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 17:23:27 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from va3outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (va3ehsobe005.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.180.31]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9D5A42FF1 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 17:00:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail10-va3-R.bigfish.com (10.7.14.243) by VA3EHSOBE002.bigfish.com (10.7.40.22) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.22; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 23:13:09 +0000 Received: from mail10-va3 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail10-va3-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9623A1A00AF for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 23:13:09 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail10-va3: domain of dynastream.com designates 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail10-va3 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail10-va3 (MessageSwitch) id 1383693186255930_16378; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 23:13:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from VA3EHSMHS014.bigfish.com (unknown [10.7.14.252]) by mail10-va3.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A3A3380040 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 23:13:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by VA3EHSMHS014.bigfish.com (10.7.99.24) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.16.227.3; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 23:13:06 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT03.ad.garmin.com (10.5.32.181) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.223) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 17:13:15 -0600 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB06.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.5.11]) by OLAWPA-EXHT03.ad.garmin.com ([10.5.32.181]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 17:13:05 -0600 From: "Smit, Theo" To: Tiger E-mail Q&A Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Replacing Door Windows - Documentation Thread-Index: Ac7WoM7ZsI/wxzWLR2Gj1FXIlfZiiQEBPPGAAApsUkA= Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 23:13:03 +0000 References: <022a01ced6a1$cdc1ec40$6945c4c0$@com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.5.143.129] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacing Door Windows - Documentation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net That hardtop has to be in pretty good shape... it appears to be the only thing holding the front and back halves of the car together. If '504 ever shows up in 'restored' condition, they better have real good documentation of the restoration process to show there is actually part of the original chassis left besides the VIN and JAL plates. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David or Gary Franchi > Sent: November 5, 2013 3:08 PM > To: Tiger E-mail Q&A > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacing Door Windows - Documentation > > Wow, 9K for a parts car, I don't think the MKII trim and other "Tiger" ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. 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Thank you. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 5 18:19:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3265843175 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 18:19:43 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f170.google.com (mail-lb0-f170.google.com [209.85.217.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF4F342FCA for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 18:01:50 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-lb0-f170.google.com with SMTP id u14so7311411lbd.29 for ; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 16:59:52 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=f3NSXEorkeN36va2E95roNxCgwJTx+YI0kLUfG0JE3I=; b=S5SPGYore0aDXCyGHeNM9WKzdDsgPCFOM4FSnU3hlYDezUXqpCi/4XUShtQyn7TVpl 8E+JHfeieF3KfbPbpJF74fuEqOJnPH5JYgGKv17N3P/+R4I0sF68IdtQ4sygk7sbqExf u5Yr+MP568//5JeEtSCX2+BKIQmHGeewNYBhnCztuuucOWgVGVBXD5Z2YugDlx6h/McN JGPg5fVP+2g4WNFrFyZpU52VHGLEZS7PKQUsCN+j2XIKfgUActxQjv8fchGXgFJFSsWs yGwfZF3ovkok5ma7yxKU3Rq+te2dWwMI0tytF4L0/fMJKqgOBwGG5+Kul1j1iDk8kYq4 D7Zg== l3mr238683lag.29.1383699592082; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 16:59:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.204.69 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 16:59:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.204.69 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 16:59:52 -0800 (PST) References: <022a01ced6a1$cdc1ec40$6945c4c0$@com> <7495733F0DF7644CBABA4EA216EF4E151A277F2B@OLAWPA-EXMB06.ad.garmin.com> Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 19:59:52 -0500 From: "michael@michaelshortt.com" To: Theo Smit Cc: Tiger E-mail Q&A Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacing Door Windows - Documentation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Entire Ferrari GTOs and Ford GT40s have been built around almost nothing but a serial tag and they sell for millions. It will be interesting to see what remains if restored, is there a standard for Tigers? Firewall, Center frame? Surely hood, fenders, trunk lid, floorpans, windshield frame, seats, Engine, trans, suspension, brakes, gas tank, dash, wiring and plumbing are fair game to be replaced. Where is the line drawn? Michael Shortt On Nov 5, 2013 7:39 PM, "Smit, Theo" wrote: > That hardtop has to be in pretty good shape... it appears to be the only > thing > holding the front and back halves of the car together. > > If '504 ever shows up in 'restored' condition, they better have real good > documentation of the restoration process to show there is actually part of > the > original chassis left besides the VIN and JAL plates. > > Theo > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David or Gary Franchi > > Sent: November 5, 2013 3:08 PM > > To: Tiger E-mail Q&A > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacing Door Windows - Documentation > > > > Wow, 9K for a parts car, I don't think the MKII trim and other "Tiger" > > > ________________________________ > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole > use of > the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential > and/or legally privileged. 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Thank you. > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael@michaelshortt.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 5 19:31:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEE8043175 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 19:31:31 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB3114308A for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 19:06:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (omta002.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id rA622gbX000564 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 18:02:53 -0800 Received: by dm0225.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 43ca9d92) id dm0225.526b7cd9.110800 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 18:02:53 -0800 Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 18:02:45 -0800 From: Larry Mayfield Organization: Mayfield Motorsport User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 To: tigers@autox.team.net References: <022a01ced6a1$cdc1ec40$6945c4c0$@com> <7495733F0DF7644CBABA4EA216EF4E151A277F2B@OLAWPA-EXMB06.ad.garmin.com> engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-11-05_08:2013-11-05,2013-11-05,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1311050219 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacing Door Windows - Documentation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Must have original vin plate rivets... yeah.... that's where the line is... larry ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed On 11/5/2013 4:59 PM, michael@michaelshortt.com wrote: > Entire Ferrari GTOs and Ford GT40s have been built around almost nothing > but a serial tag and they sell for millions. > It will be interesting to see what remains if restored, is there a standard > for Tigers? > Firewall, Center frame? > Surely hood, fenders, trunk lid, floorpans, windshield frame, seats, > Engine, trans, suspension, brakes, gas tank, dash, wiring and plumbing are > fair game to be replaced. > Where is the line drawn? > > Michael Shortt > On Nov 5, 2013 7:39 PM, "Smit, Theo" wrote: > >> That hardtop has to be in pretty good shape... it appears to be the only >> thing >> holding the front and back halves of the car together. >> >> If '504 ever shows up in 'restored' condition, they better have real good >> documentation of the restoration process to show there is actually part of >> the >> original chassis left besides the VIN and JAL plates. >> >> Theo >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- >>> bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David or Gary Franchi >>> Sent: November 5, 2013 3:08 PM >>> To: Tiger E-mail Q&A >>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacing Door Windows - Documentation >>> >>> Wow, 9K for a parts car, I don't think the MKII trim and other "Tiger" _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 5 19:45:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B78C54319D for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 19:45:35 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qe0-f45.google.com (mail-qe0-f45.google.com [209.85.128.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E041C4305B for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 19:31:04 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qe0-f45.google.com with SMTP id 8so5748481qea.32 for ; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 18:29:05 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=h0uT6NIaTmXA7MujrzVPrXPwYeFID7b9Dgn2/ZkTmCc=; b=RpplNRH6YHMDqYDSpGQcJKLZKSAz0MKMZuyvoF/R8Dhu3wU/uyraVm/h0oYc3q2bP8 6TNHptWpMzJNG1FwR+jFIzkxQtKZ2ECnTwPtzmCRfNNPIPNij7S1OaAqXNJc4NcNN5nr eA5A5jlz7oyBt1W09m+ZWXLzmm9+KjXE9YSFNZb/0WRtFMabYAg1oZ5pz9D5JDTZWXiZ rq5bpxtY08ji0bOfobjHAcXxZJtDRwYuB+HE/f/ojnSq5U2yPP7FoAscbKuZGgjo4+2E o76xlAbDVo2prnrcbCC1upM0PByS8ijnVyklvcmfsdBFLSRf3S3+YkzcBNjqKcw60FTI tGAA== o16mr2725357qay.58.1383704945696; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 18:29:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.96.225.104 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 18:29:05 -0800 (PST) References: <022a01ced6a1$cdc1ec40$6945c4c0$@com> <7495733F0DF7644CBABA4EA216EF4E151A277F2B@OLAWPA-EXMB06.ad.garmin.com> Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 21:29:05 -0500 From: Tom Parker To: "Smit, Theo" Cc: Tiger E-mail Q&A Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacing Door Windows - Documentation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Theo, of course, knows all this: If the firewall and other TAC specific parts are still there, and if the Tiger 2 specific updates are still there it can be considered an "original" Tiger 2 for TAC purposes. Outside California and other dry place the deterioration of a pre-rust proofed car is dependent on its care. Left in the open, or worse leads to the kind of deterioration we see in this Mark 2. It can be repaired, but a good job will far exceed the value of the car. Tom '67 Mark 2 On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Smit, Theo wrote: > That hardtop has to be in pretty good shape... it appears to be the only > thing > holding the front and back halves of the car together. > > If '504 ever shows up in 'restored' condition, they better have real good > documentation of the restoration process to show there is actually part of > the > original chassis left besides the VIN and JAL plates. > > Theo > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David or Gary Franchi > > Sent: November 5, 2013 3:08 PM > > To: Tiger E-mail Q&A > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacing Door Windows - Documentation > > > > Wow, 9K for a parts car, I don't think the MKII trim and other "Tiger" > > > ________________________________ > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole > use of > the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential > and/or legally privileged. 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So, imagine the bucks it will take to make this one right, again. As I posted before, the only thing that this car has going for it is the fact that it's a Mark II, which nowadays sell for a big premium over the B947 and B3820 models. Rande Bellman _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 5 19:48:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A44A74338D for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 19:48:39 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from db8outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (mail-db8lp0186.outbound.messaging.microsoft.com [213.199.154.186]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E89D9430E1 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 19:41:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail41-db8-R.bigfish.com (10.174.8.254) by DB8EHSOBE018.bigfish.com (10.174.4.81) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.22; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 02:39:06 +0000 Received: from mail41-db8 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail41-db8-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D14191A0228; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 02:39:06 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail41-db8: domain of dynastream.com designates 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail41-db8 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail41-db8 (MessageSwitch) id 1383705544633423_24619; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 02:39:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from DB8EHSMHS018.bigfish.com (unknown [10.174.8.231]) by mail41-db8.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95C8432012E; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 02:39:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by DB8EHSMHS018.bigfish.com (10.174.4.28) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.16.227.3; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 02:39:04 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT03.ad.garmin.com (10.5.32.181) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.223) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 20:39:13 -0600 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB06.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.5.11]) by OLAWPA-EXHT03.ad.garmin.com ([10.5.32.181]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 20:39:02 -0600 From: "Smit, Theo" To: Tom Parker Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Replacing Door Windows - Documentation Thread-Index: Ac7WoM7ZsI/wxzWLR2Gj1FXIlfZiiQEBPPGAAApsUkD///WagIAAZFPg Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 02:39:01 +0000 References: <022a01ced6a1$cdc1ec40$6945c4c0$@com> <7495733F0DF7644CBABA4EA216EF4E151A277F2B@OLAWPA-EXMB06.ad.garmin.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.5.143.129] Cc: Tiger E-mail Q&A Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacing Door Windows - Documentation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Yeah, I was not intending to start or fan the flames on another 'what is the line' discussion, so please don't go there... the state of this Tiger is pretty unfortunate. It would be cool if someone with a deep pocketbook, more patience, and still more skills acquired this car and set it right, but chances are that won't happen and we'll just see it get parted out. At least in that case the various unique parts will find their way onto a Tiger, which is better than their fate for the last several decades by the look of things. Theo From: Tom Parker [mailto:tkparker1941@gmail.com] Sent: November 5, 2013 7:29 PM To: Smit, Theo Cc: Tiger E-mail Q&A Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacing Door Windows - Documentation Theo, of course, knows all this: If the firewall and other TAC specific parts are still there, and if the Tiger 2 specific updates are still there it can be considered an "original" Tiger 2 for TAC purposes. Outside California and other dry place the deterioration of a pre-rust proofed car is dependent on its care. Left in the open, or worse leads to the kind of deterioration we see in this Mark 2. It can be repaired, but a good job will far exceed the value of the car. Tom '67 Mark 2 On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Smit, Theo That hardtop has to be in pretty good shape... it appears to be the only thing holding the front and back halves of the car together. If '504 ever shows up in 'restored' condition, they better have real good documentation of the restoration process to show there is actually part of the original chassis left besides the VIN and JAL plates. Theo > -----Original Message----- Gary Franchi > Sent: November 5, 2013 3:08 PM > To: Tiger E-mail Q&A > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacing Door Windows - Documentation > > Wow, 9K for a parts car, I don't think the MKII trim and other "Tiger" ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential and/or legally privileged. 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Thank you. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 5 20:18:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A37E143152 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 20:18:43 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E55F243044 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 20:11:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.0.103] ([216.222.140.182]) by p3plsmtpa08-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id m39P1m0043wK5wg0139QYu; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 20:09:26 -0700 Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 22:09:23 -0500 From: Chris Thompson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 To: "Smit, Theo" , Tom Parker References: <022a01ced6a1$cdc1ec40$6945c4c0$@com> <7495733F0DF7644CBABA4EA216EF4E151A277F2B@OLAWPA-EXMB06.ad.garmin.com> <7495733F0DF7644CBABA4EA216EF4E151A2780A3@OLAWPA-EXMB06.ad.garmin.com> Cc: Tiger E-mail Q&A Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacing Door Windows - Documentation Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Without parts cars, many other Tigers wouldn't have a chance of being rebuilt... On 11/5/2013 9:39 PM, Smit, Theo wrote: > Yeah, I was not intending to start or fan the flames on another 'what is the > line' discussion, so please don't go there... the state of this Tiger is > pretty unfortunate. It would be cool if someone with a deep pocketbook, more > patience, and still more skills acquired this car and set it right, but > chances are that won't happen and we'll just see it get parted out. At least > in that case the various unique parts will find their way onto a Tiger, which > is better than their fate for the last several decades by the look of things. > > Theo > > From: Tom Parker [mailto:tkparker1941@gmail.com] > Sent: November 5, 2013 7:29 PM > To: Smit, Theo > Cc: Tiger E-mail Q&A > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Replacing Door Windows - Documentation > > Theo, of course, knows all this: If the firewall and other TAC specific parts > are still there, and if the Tiger 2 specific updates are still there it can be > considered an "original" Tiger 2 for TAC purposes. > Outside California and other dry place the deterioration of a pre-rust proofed > car is dependent on its care. Left in the open, or worse leads to the kind of > deterioration we see in this Mark 2. It can be repaired, but a good job will > far exceed the value of the car. > Tom > '67 Mark 2 > > On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Smit, Theo > That hardtop has to be in pretty good shape... it appears to be the only > thing > holding the front and back halves of the car together. > > If '504 ever shows up in 'restored' condition, they better have real good > documentation of the restoration process to show there is actually part of > the > original chassis left besides the VIN and JAL plates. > > Theo _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 5 20:48:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FD82430D6 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 20:48:15 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51B7A4303E for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 20:33:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from optiplex3301 ([unknown] [108.47.114.228]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MVT0035JOG342F0@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 21:31:16 -0600 (CST) From: "Thomas Witt" To: References: <1383705155.72441.YahooMailNeo@web161002.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 19:31:17 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mark II # 504 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The other side of this car is for someone like me. My Mark I was nearly as bad as this car. I never set out to have a pristine Tiger, only a Tiger that was mechanically well done and an appearance that was marginally acceptable (even if barely so). I'd have to see the floors and sills, but assuming they are not too far gone a donor Alpine and a fair amount of my own work gets this car..., well..., functional. As in primered and able to drive down the street functional. I know given the rarity of a Mark II most everyone would expect it to be an awesome car. My perspective is that for the selling price plus no more than $5K and I'd have genuine, functioning Mark II. Why not! Maybe the least appealing of all the Mark II's out there, but none the less a Mark II. And, even if I sold all the Mark II specific parts to finance this "project" I'd still have a Mark II by VIN. And that is something that can't be taken or sold away. I know to 99.9% that is not an appealing approach, but it is another way of looking at this car. That said, $9K+ is too steep for my wallet and Florida is clear across the country. But, yea, my insanely cheap self, "would if I could." And for those that know my Mark I has been on jackstands for nearly 14 years..., Ummm..., I do mean well in my intensions. 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[166.147.80.189]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id gh3sm17591857pbb.2.2013.11.05.20.26.47 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 05 Nov 2013 20:26:47 -0800 (PST) From: Alex Haugland Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 20:38:22 -0800 To: tiger list Subject: [Tigers] hardtop headliner extra material? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I'm in the process of restoring a hardtop for my Tiger. The hardtop I have came to me stripped bare, along with some of the needed parts to reassemble it. I've since tracked down all the missing bits, have had it painted am now putting it back together. I'm at the point where I'm looking at fitting the headliner, which, for the most part, is straightforward. The only question that's come up for me, however, is that the headliner from Sunbeam Specialties came with an additional length of material which I'm unsure of the purpose of. Is it to cover the C pillars? (all the photos I've seen have had the C Pillars bare) Sun visors? Something else? I want to make sure that I'm not missing something before fitting the headliner itself. Thanks! --Alex Haugland Eugene, Oregon _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 5 23:56:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BADEF430FD for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 23:56:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35B78430A1 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 23:49:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from TerriPC ([unknown] [71.109.102.9]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MVT00742XINTW70@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Wed, 06 Nov 2013 00:47:12 -0600 (CST) From: "Kirk Smith" To: References: Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 22:47:05 -0800 Thread-index: Ac7aqITvmENcEB8/Toqc/Y7oSjOFlgAEuuLA Content-language: en-us Subject: Re: [Tigers] hardtop headliner extra material? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Alex- I don't have any pictures to send you at the moment, but, my c-pillar is covered in the same material as the headliner of the hardtop. Mine could have been restored by the previous owner. However, it does look correct to my eye. Kirk -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Alex Haugland Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2013 8:38 PM To: tiger list Subject: [Tigers] hardtop headliner extra material? I'm in the process of restoring a hardtop for my Tiger. The hardtop I have came to me stripped bare, along with some of the needed parts to reassemble it. I've since tracked down all the missing bits, have had it painted am now putting it back together. I'm at the point where I'm looking at fitting the headliner, which, for the most part, is straightforward. The only question that's come up for me, however, is that the headliner from Sunbeam Specialties came with an additional length of material which I'm unsure of the purpose of. Is it to cover the C pillars? (all the photos I've seen have had the C Pillars bare) Sun visors? Something else? I want to make sure that I'm not missing something before fitting the headliner itself. Thanks! --Alex Haugland Eugene, Oregon _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/twotigers@verizon.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 6 07:36:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D2F04310A for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 07:36:02 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f178.google.com (mail-ie0-f178.google.com [209.85.223.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4168430A2 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 07:24:21 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ie0-f178.google.com with SMTP id x13so17273638ief.23 for ; Wed, 06 Nov 2013 06:22:20 -0800 (PST) h=message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type; bh=kLvu+pbAlySeJC/UFBOl672wFNcHMwzxzYwSh83wGuA=; b=g/rwITOCbuIz5/sdHQ5cdInOo6xjLLld1r/XSvFJ/ELRJfIys8TiUzxMAPoMwd6EhP tiyoFDGuWUj6jGJ+igKpoeJpa4ejTssOnTZgaq3ueX204LRJ9IoWQnPNmuPPLdTF+TZh cPflUTnrZdsBxJvzE1i+XwJ1nNEJjneYhQ144= d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to :subject:date:mime-version:content-type; bh=kLvu+pbAlySeJC/UFBOl672wFNcHMwzxzYwSh83wGuA=; b=VSeDqhVfS/bFK9DRWih6t8xlj+ubxoQcLRlOWZ6Vw6B8iJ12cL8sNX6zcEfGmc/Mpm ebv/RxmTv8Z6qU4R1n5z/PY9tK/jlsx4tb8+bh22/auWYW5zIJr+47p9jM49ivL8XKQk ryrQYDxGjOsWabIRoP1vc0WLcyhniBXV5KIK/N0mEsUD6G5e+/EpSvFUAHjBRN8fRlUw iT27x0MxemkzMRg2MaHzmnWb9t/XaS5bTuT/zwbdTaieyUstTvtLrI2LJEaV9rLEStBR eVz5kVc1FiPxJpBOLQf1amRA74eBAF8UNPL62bWMccK35cM+8S1vQsSCgbar8Iuyi4+O XlGQ== u4mr20542655igz.40.1383747739617; Wed, 06 Nov 2013 06:22:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from DavePC (DRMONS0540W-156034170254.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOp.ns.bellaliant.net. [156.34.170.254]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id y10sm14209577igl.4.2013.11.06.06.22.15 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 06 Nov 2013 06:22:18 -0800 (PST) From: "Dave Munroe" To: "Alex Haugland" , References: Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 10:22:15 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] hardtop headliner extra material? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Alex: You aren't geting a lot of feedback, and I just saw your request. The headliner material is riveted to a metal strip at the front and then folded back to the rear and pulled tight. That metal edge has a sharp edge and could easily cut through the liner material in time, so this extra piece supplied by SS is to lay over that edge under the headliner to cushion and protect it from possible damage from that strip. I've attached a photo of that area... Also, the headliner does not cover the "C" pillars....it fold under itself just down past the top of the H'top window. Another photo is attached. Best of luck with your project.. Dave B382000450 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Haugland" To: "tiger list" Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 12:38 AM Subject: [Tigers] hardtop headliner extra material? > I'm in the process of restoring a hardtop for my Tiger. The hardtop I > have > came to me stripped bare, along with some of the needed parts to > reassemble > it. I've since tracked down all the missing bits, have had it painted am > now > putting it back together. I'm at the point where I'm looking at fitting > the > headliner, which, for the most part, is straightforward. The only > question > that's come up for me, however, is that the headliner from Sunbeam > Specialties > came with an additional length of material which I'm unsure of the purpose > of. > Is it to cover the C pillars? (all the photos I've seen have had the C > Pillars > bare) Sun visors? Something else? I want to make sure that I'm not > missing > something before fitting the headliner itself. Thanks! > > --Alex Haugland > Eugene, Oregon > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/dave@munroe.ca [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of em What a nicely fitted headliner looks like.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of em Corner HLiner front corner attachment.jpg] _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 6 07:39:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B8104321C for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 07:39:26 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C9644303E for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 07:26:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004962.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id rA6EPm7C011645; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 06:25:58 -0800 Received: by dm0224.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 401895cd) id dm0224.526b7cdd.1170c0; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 06:24:07 -0800 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Alex Haugland'" , "'tiger list'" Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 09:23:55 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac7aqIpNE/CJKnxHRBalJdxPD1hUdwAUtYAg engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-11-06_03:2013-11-06,2013-11-06,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1311060078 Subject: Re: [Tigers] hardtop headliner extra material? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Alex It is possible the additional material is a remnant that just happened to get thrown in. I would ask Sunbeam Specialties about that piece. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Alex Haugland Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2013 11:38 PM To: tiger list Subject: [Tigers] hardtop headliner extra material? I'm in the process of restoring a hardtop for my Tiger. The hardtop I have came to me stripped bare, along with some of the needed parts to reassemble it. I've since tracked down all the missing bits, have had it painted am now putting it back together. I'm at the point where I'm looking at fitting the headliner, which, for the most part, is straightforward. The only question that's come up for me, however, is that the headliner from Sunbeam Specialties came with an additional length of material which I'm unsure of the purpose of. Is it to cover the C pillars? (all the photos I've seen have had the C Pillars bare) Sun visors? Something else? I want to make sure that I'm not missing something before fitting the headliner itself. Thanks! --Alex Haugland Eugene, Oregon _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3615/6807 - Release Date: 11/04/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 6 08:42:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D47E43234 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 08:42:47 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f181.google.com (mail-ie0-f181.google.com [209.85.223.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECF784304C for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 08:23:38 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ie0-f181.google.com with SMTP id ar20so17122386iec.26 for ; Wed, 06 Nov 2013 07:21:37 -0800 (PST) h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=w3KtdSuYB2vlj7JDMwPZ13o8E/WcMkDB3V0YS2/QlVw=; b=n8cVzwHjyCAaptKnN4rE4euNwQ9wTnEpT9JQ9qWVqJmMiJ8/5C7F1mgNF8fo6eLqAO 3u5U2YE4jVenZKnJfEDqMmuKtUcd9DSkdNHT5Y9zT93brV2BNQbYUXtxarhznPpkd4Ro aD5WiXXhDRkiz3sf7WU9k68Do3tRowclzJRsOXqMWliRhKWoolUlaKjuXb7AzMuC5aoH ziobtRXU803hnX/ExpOLYsMu++RBVGXVrHPlKw2c9sFcmPmQLTmvoHxHFzbnqyYMg+u0 h2125adsZ8KxqqGe2dUfI2apixDMKw6D5v8YunySjW3k75Ri6CNOzMYbzB3bELQBhjiY x36A== gq20mr20730672igb.36.1383751297065; Wed, 06 Nov 2013 07:21:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (c-76-115-242-165.hsd1.wa.comcast.net. [76.115.242.165]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id j16sm14466917igf.6.2013.11.06.07.21.35 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 06 Nov 2013 07:21:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2013 07:21:33 -0800 From: Alex Haugland User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 To: Dave Munroe References: <3B1649D516994BCAAA7C3A1A79C6E16E@DavePC> Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] hardtop headliner extra material? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thank you very much! That makes a lot of sense and, if nothing else, is a very logical use for the material. Every photo I've seen, along with a couple in person hasn't had the C pillars covered, though it would be easy to do with the material provided, so I was reluctant to cover them until I had more proof one way or the other. Thank you also for the photos as it helps clear up how the headliner is literally riveted to the metal strip. Armed with this information, hopefully by the end of the day today, I'll have the headliner finished and be on to fitting the rear window. --Alex Haugland Eugene, Oregon B9470334LRXFE On 11/6/2013 6:22 AM, Dave Munroe wrote: > Alex: > > You aren't geting a lot of feedback, and I just saw your request. The > headliner material is riveted to a metal strip at the front and then > folded back to the rear and pulled tight. That metal edge has a sharp > edge and could easily cut through the liner material in time, so this > extra piece supplied by SS is to lay over that edge under the > headliner to cushion and protect it from possible damage from that strip. > > I've attached a photo of that area... > > Also, the headliner does not cover the "C" pillars....it fold under > itself just down past the top of the H'top window. Another photo is > attached. > > Best of luck with your project.. > > Dave > B382000450 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 6 09:27:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 896484325C for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 09:27:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from smtp413.redcondor.net (smtp413.redcondor.net [208.80.204.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50C09430F7 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 09:02:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from hargray.com ([64.203.254.40]) by smtp413.redcondor.net ({f682051a-8ae4-4456-9822-a84ca1296676}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20131106160032717 for ; Wed, 06 Nov 2013 16:00:32 +0000 Received: from [199.241.211.241] (account geowiz@hargray.com HELO JamesPickardPC) by ispfe2.hargray.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.9) with ESMTPA id 104309961 for tigers@autox.team.net; Wed, 06 Nov 2013 11:00:23 -0500 From: "James Pickard" To: "'Tiger List'" Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 11:00:25 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac7bCSX2ZVn0zsdZTMeMO8aHPWeD1A== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Tigers] Bolt size Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Quick question: What size bolts attach the front license plate bracket to the body? I need to re-tap to remove the paint and I want to make sure I use the right size. Thanks! BTW, I don't see these on the bolt list on Tigers United. James Pickard B9473298 Beaufort, SC _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 6 12:48:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EEBE4322C for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 12:48:54 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81A4F42ADC for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 12:05:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (omta002.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id rA6J35Eh031847; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 11:03:37 -0800 Received: by sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 40189272) id sj1-dm103.526b7d1e.12acbc; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 11:02:47 -0800 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'James Pickard'" , "'Tiger List'" Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 14:02:38 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac7bCSX2ZVn0zsdZTMeMO8aHPWeD1AAGF+sg engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-11-06_05:2013-11-06,2013-11-06,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1311060149 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bolt size Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net James 1/4" UNF x 5/8" If using a standard SAE tap it will most likely cut metal. A thread chaser tap would probably work fine. A 1/4" UNF tap is really needed or take a 1/4 UNF bolt, cut a couple flutes down the threads and use it as a tap. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James Pickard Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 11:00 AM To: 'Tiger List' Subject: [Tigers] Bolt size Quick question: What size bolts attach the front license plate bracket to the body? I need to re-tap to remove the paint and I want to make sure I use the right size. Thanks! BTW, I don't see these on the bolt list on Tigers United. James Pickard B9473298 Beaufort, SC _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3615/6807 - Release Date: 11/04/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 6 17:09:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 993A74312A for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 17:09:36 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0852A403BC for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 16:43:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta22.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.73]) by qmta04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id mNBA1m00A1ap0As54PgRjt; Wed, 06 Nov 2013 23:40:25 +0000 Received: from sbrennanPC ([98.229.210.30]) by omta22.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id mPgQ1m00i0fu9Ni3iPgQWn; Wed, 06 Nov 2013 23:40:25 +0000 From: "Stu Brennan" To: "Tiger Net" Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 18:39:56 -0500 s=q20121106; t=1383781225; bh=VDuEPeKhPTRX79IBwrbhQNa7LHKpSwR/qHGxaoAZGSc=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=HwgPce4rPIfAaZFO4KiyIk8QzdbssaMsgUUkloXJQoW+BwgLES8+O5LvPhk3lAjn5 ay/MZ/3IzimKnYI7vCoxdWWRiFEX2qaHaLY7zQzPqXltN429txMcyX0imXCpH8x/iE UkJinFEVdw4VcoRoMKuY/Q9S3b0g5A1aWGILQkyUoWDGPD4ATYT3U8aqgvQD/wzk78 jusJjplbAx9Hs4QPYnErzsAQUvm1DA1IBAHzFlyjKcom5e1POhlGif4tG4X6GsYTQA 5rW4KqVMl24FYziocILZ2vqzh2+/a7x2xIJ10LCAWPPEpyfKq6oah/Pl5WYbwWo2Gt GyJEYo+ckWy1A== Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Sighting Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net In tonight's local daily paper there was a full page ad that looked like one of those cooperative ads, where the local outfit sticks their name at the bottom of the ad supplied by the national company. Anyway, the happy older couple, that have apparently had all their problems solved by buying Miracle Ear hearing aids, is driving away in what appears to be an a Sunbeam. In the picture, I can't make out a side trim strip, so it is likely an Alpine. Watch for it in your local print media. Stu _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 6 17:28:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00EE1431BC for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 17:28:55 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f47.google.com (mail-oa0-f47.google.com [209.85.219.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E50F42FB6 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 17:24:10 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oa0-f47.google.com with SMTP id k1so311533oag.6 for ; Wed, 06 Nov 2013 16:22:04 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=kV8VCUSET6JWsZ8FlxHSlEtbA2q2s/jxmyqLFlbp6/w=; b=nrAHRTF4Fdr/glg3XNj6GD6BSTzDwnpTF7rl6d+0QzcYV+b1oZ2Vq4co2wlzvSj4qB rNKIWBVB+jfRGPRMJ8acpdIcvJp7uXZQqrV9rd2lH7E8pIR4rfC18oosw+SUSNfMK+ay AE6rVO+ZUM4kMNKjjDIUS/Qc0CMGVDb0rhV1GKmnyB/YzMDYbR1LR5xXQH65KXQco8V3 EfPF27isuvnn/w86zgvhHwzHA6kYhwwPEAz7lEhmU8vwLn+PcZMwSyQxpukWDC+/xaRx 57OxKSTjstfWdhNHcNMnE6il6hWiihXH0OiBoXSC1PMS/vTS6m0yCzIitjk4gOcxz1D8 a7ng== ft5mr4631701oeb.45.1383783272024; Wed, 06 Nov 2013 16:14:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.34.196 with HTTP; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 16:14:31 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 11:14:31 +1100 From: michael king To: Stu Brennan Cc: Tiger Net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Sunbeam Sighting Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net wouldn't happen to be a turquoise sunbeam would it? there is some stock photography with a Sunbeam that has been used extensively globally for the past 3 years On 7 November 2013 10:39, Stu Brennan wrote: > In tonight's local daily paper there was a full page ad that looked like > one of those cooperative ads, where the local outfit sticks their name at > the bottom of the ad supplied by the national company. Anyway, the happy > older couple, that have apparently had all their problems solved by buying > Miracle Ear hearing aids, is driving away in what appears to be an a > Sunbeam. In the picture, I can't make out a side trim strip, so it is > likely an Alpine. > > Watch for it in your local print media. > > Stu _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@ > gmail.com > > > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 6 21:47:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE83443013 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 21:47:51 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from col0-omc3-s14.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc3-s14.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.152]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E2CC42F41 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 21:46:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from COL129-DS22 ([65.55.34.137]) by col0-omc3-s14.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 6 Nov 2013 20:44:35 -0800 From: "Curt Bowland" To: "tigers" Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 22:44:33 -0600 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 22:44:33 -0600 FILETIME=[0F12E970:01CEDB74] Subject: [Tigers] Trivia time Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Those of you who are SCCA members and get SportsCar magazine will not that on the front cover, which celebrates the 50th anniversary of the Runoffs, there is a great airborne shot at the start finish line and there on the front row is Tom Patton's #50 white. Actually his car is on pit row. In addition to that there is another picture on page 130. This was taken on the pace lap of the 2003 Runoffs at Mid-Ohio and he is the third car on the left in that picture. Also a very nice picture of a racing Tiger shown in a restoration shop in England, owned by the owner and a friend or customer. This, in the magazine Vintage Motorsports November/December issue. Always love to see Tigers in print. Curt _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 7 06:49:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B953430A1 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 06:49:59 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AFA942FD1 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 06:49:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.43]) by qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id mca31m0060vyq2s59dnnyQ; Thu, 07 Nov 2013 13:47:47 +0000 Received: from resmail-ch2-219v.sys.comcast.net ([162.150.48.253]) by omta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id mdnn1m00Q5Tlpyy3RdnnSt; Thu, 07 Nov 2013 13:47:47 +0000 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 13:47:47 +0000 (UTC) From: stubrennan@comcast.net To: Tigers@autox.team.net Thread-Topic: Repair Estimates (Non Tiger) Thread-Index: LtQJp3qR2XGI2EUU9RZ3gjc1uX2Pag== s=q20121106; t=1383832067; bh=v3ej4jY2V4ziNGriWUD3EKjZltlVwxSOUrm9qyFVWoc=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=hoom4R4opAnCE2045oXwKt8ClF30JZ0sz9RLK3HmXdbm9M48+VH3o7iVjgUFCtQaW kms5ve1wwsErVIYnAebn07uC1KVpANJOpwOtbsITzY0jEqqwTesfaHt+ccpNqXyJkQ tKq/+CFfd+pQ7A0GfeosQYjXKfRnUwIgJPPqkxx9vpTahIRsZJPzTlcbLJx9V/1J2n r4e1/WINRvTcwZRvf9guO9gw40vlkSwaa1Hyt8TiFKQmKbnqbKH3p/oPmO2tXKVFFP Q7Usm2vZ0zOIZdouoHlNOQCYV4DJilOidtlOe/LJGmquyhuifdZI/fjwOUrsf9O3dw j1wcx4axGEVnA== Subject: [Tigers] Repair Estimates (Non Tiger) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Does anyone have access to one of those estimating books or services that mechanics use? My daughter, away at college, just had to pay what I think is a crazy amount for a common repair to a Ford product. Contact me off line. Stu _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 7 11:54:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E40FA4313A for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 11:54:07 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f54.google.com (mail-vb0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 963BB403D4 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 11:49:19 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-vb0-f54.google.com with SMTP id q12so675510vbe.13 for ; Thu, 07 Nov 2013 10:47:10 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=jUp6aPS5mUp5tEeNLRmbwStD0UM/7DC48yu6YRc9tzw=; b=R+89UMcevFuQZcVICjR8e/rhPRsMpZ+4K+DIEmgjuXEU8WTOb9dYaVYgakNMBiH5T6 FMhLbEjs5Wj2Ak+0Y0vCqCu7z3uVg2OvPud2CAkiY3N0vACXZ/M1icRNUevcM4hq7739 sBijkDyjrAe3UW2gybOLrn2v4IVhcqtUQXkSpJUemWNZa6a5am70kJ/4SZ+6OIaV+/1v SoVlpRvC+Db7+w0lARC0TpdbHOy0G/FZl+c6UyppbVAH1f/l8Z/yqzBTsaWbXElygYH6 +XddVStvwCbXLD7N5E1pD9clPdvapmD4Z9MLpck7HxbTKqVSLdjWo2w+4SM06wllBWOU Epng== mz2mr7988551vcb.10.1383850030581; Thu, 07 Nov 2013 10:47:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.218.140 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 10:47:10 -0800 (PST) References: <3B1649D516994BCAAA7C3A1A79C6E16E@DavePC> Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 10:47:10 -0800 From: Jay Laifman To: Dave Munroe Cc: Tiger's Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] hardtop headliner extra material? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Dang it! I wish I knew that 18 years ago when I did mine. Rick is great. But where were the instructions in the package! On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 6:22 AM, Dave Munroe wrote: > Alex: > > You aren't geting a lot of feedback, and I just saw your request. The > headliner material is riveted to a metal strip at the front and then folded > back to the rear and pulled tight. That metal edge has a sharp edge and > could easily cut through the liner material in time, so this extra piece > supplied by SS is to lay over that edge under the headliner to cushion and > protect it from possible damage from that strip. > > I've attached a photo of that area... > > Also, the headliner does not cover the "C" pillars....it fold under itself > just down past the top of the H'top window. Another photo is attached. > > Best of luck with your project.. > > Dave > B382000450 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alex Haugland" > To: "tiger list" > Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 12:38 AM > Subject: [Tigers] hardtop headliner extra material? > > > > I'm in the process of restoring a hardtop for my Tiger. The hardtop I > > have > > came to me stripped bare, along with some of the needed parts to > > reassemble > > it. I've since tracked down all the missing bits, have had it painted am > > now > > putting it back together. I'm at the point where I'm looking at fitting > > the > > headliner, which, for the most part, is straightforward. The only > > question > > that's come up for me, however, is that the headliner from Sunbeam > > Specialties > > came with an additional length of material which I'm unsure of the > purpose > > of. > > Is it to cover the C pillars? (all the photos I've seen have had the C > > Pillars > > bare) Sun visors? Something else? I want to make sure that I'm not > > missing > > something before fitting the headliner itself. Thanks! > > > > --Alex Haugland > > Eugene, Oregon > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tigers@autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/dave@munroe.ca > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of > em What a nicely fitted headliner looks like.jpg] > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of > em Corner HLiner front corner attachment.jpg] > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 7 12:49:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0844B43535 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 12:49:10 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from na01-bn1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bn1lp0150.outbound.protection.outlook.com [207.46.163.150]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5DE54310D for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 12:31:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from BLUPR06MB193.namprd06.prod.outlook.com (10.242.191.143) by BLUPR06MB194.namprd06.prod.outlook.com (10.242.191.145) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.815.6; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 19:29:02 +0000 Received: from BLUPR06MB193.namprd06.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.16.216]) by BLUPR06MB193.namprd06.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.16.216]) with mapi id 15.00.0815.000; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 19:29:02 +0000 From: Larry Wright To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: RE: Sunbeam Sighting Thread-Index: Ac7b75wBmBo7mPHCTUquA7NFzOiw1Q== Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 19:29:01 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [74.117.225.146] x-forefront-prvs: 00235A1EEF x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(199002)(189002)(52314003)(47736001)(49866001)(4396001)(50986001)(33646001)(221733001)(51856001)(19580395003)(56776001)(54316002)(63696002)(47976001)(80022001)(74316001)(66066001)(65816001)(79102001)(87936001)(46102001)(56816003)(77096001)(59766001)(83322001)(19580405001)(69226001)(76576001)(76786001)(76796001)(81342001)(76176001)(81542001)(74502001)(47446002)(74662001)(31966008)(85306002)(54356001)(74706001)(74876001)(81816001)(80976001)(53806001)(81686001)(77982001)(15975445006)(87266001)(15202345003)(76482001)(15974865002)(83072001)(2656002)(74366001)(24736002)(15409205003); DIR:OUT; SFP:; SCL:1; SRVR:BLUPR06MB194; H:BLUPR06MB193.namprd06.prod.outlook.com; CLIP:74.117.225.146; FPR:; RD:InfoNoRecords; A:1; MX:3; LANG:en; Subject: Re: [Tigers] Sunbeam Sighting Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Probably a Tiger... I've heard very few Alpines that could cause hearing loss. :p >Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 18:39:56 -0500 >From: "Stu Brennan" >To: "Tiger Net" >Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Sighting >In tonight's local daily paper there was a full page ad that looked like one of those >cooperative ads, where the local outfit sticks their name at the bottom of the ad supplied >by the national company. Anyway, the happy older couple, that have apparently had all >their problems solved by buying Miracle Ear hearing aids, is driving away in what appears >to be an a Sunbeam. In the picture, I can't make out a side trim strip, so it is likely an >Alpine. >Stu Lawrence Wright | DIRECTOR, PROCUREMENT & INVENTORY Phone 301.575.2764 www.impactoffice.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Picture (Device Independent Bitmap) 1.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Picture (Device Independent Bitmap) 2.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Picture (Device Independent Bitmap) 3.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Picture (Device Independent Bitmap) 4.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Picture (Device Independent Bitmap) 5.jpg] _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 7 13:05:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 521954042C for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 13:05:26 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 699CC43195 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 12:41:15 -0700 (MST) a=SVz6f5wHOu/UEK3KZovtnQ==:17 a=xGYqAUYEFMYA:10 a=zTVDa7HKqxcA:10 a=doupyKFmAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=DaQ0VPWA6DAA:10 a=bAT7VSd--gpDulzDlWoA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=4ozyuRfdTHcA:10 a=Kvbpjx2H8CoA:10 a=yUCthOtH4JmY9et12P8A:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=SVz6f5wHOu/UEK3KZovtnQ==:117 Received: from [75.83.203.224] ([75.83.203.224:51589] helo=BillPC) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id BB/13-01931-92CEB725; Thu, 07 Nov 2013 19:38:18 +0000 From: "Bill Rogers" To: "Tigers" Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 11:38:12 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Spares Provisioning Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Here is the question. We have a fairly well sorted Mk1 Tiger where almost everything has been gone through over the last 30 years and we drive it almost every month with few problems. If you were taking it on a 2000 mile trip what spares would you carry, assuming limited space? _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 7 13:39:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B777D4358E for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 13:39:00 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f52.google.com (mail-la0-f52.google.com [209.85.215.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E230643175 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 13:13:06 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-la0-f52.google.com with SMTP id ev20so873290lab.39 for ; Thu, 07 Nov 2013 12:10:57 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=jVdWsah9U/OmUP/2BMnLMYHY4jwuND4o39aK4DqaZwI=; b=NW5wWNqwccVI9iCZhtAY/uY4AYygSA62f3pPWGKhB244dRpiqedPHLoC4kFd+Kq1J5 ZWRgxpYV7b+DRhTLn4nBeDw4duiMfl+h5mx0jXscil9G0KFV7F3Xv7ZAdclryzN58xst Gz//apCEjcftGYE+78SWRQqDJDaSCtELN+BQz5IHIxhjjG82C8UoNDZZb1n+QPjND8nf Ow9YM5iw9+oaDQtOvTlBMg8lCIhfVS+e4R1NFi+QvzAChUKglENsRbol9A7HqL1bGFrV j2VwL4b9XKjFs3QTlIXuUW2nG/WH9tYwnRnlmDX3qELUNiDZ8sfq1Wr74x7FcSzQS7kP MYwg== rg9mr7505498lbb.19.1383855057187; Thu, 07 Nov 2013 12:10:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.204.69 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 12:10:27 -0800 (PST) References: <2659373438F94087B464C3DA417399FE@BillPC> From: "michael@michaelshortt.com" Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 15:10:27 -0500 To: Bill Rogers Cc: Tigers Subject: Re: [Tigers] Spares Provisioning Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net a couple of plugs, tools, belts, duct tape, oil, fuses, tire plugs and compressor, first aid kit, flares, AAA card, water, cell phone. plastic tarp If you have an MSD box, a spare one, super glue, JB weld, lamps, Michael Shortt On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Bill Rogers wrote: > Here is the question. We have a fairly well sorted Mk1 Tiger where almost > everything has been gone through over the last 30 years and we drive it > almost > every month with few problems. If you were taking it on a 2000 mile trip > what > spares would you carry, assuming limited space? > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael@michaelshortt.com > > > -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com michael@michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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Thank you _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 7 14:34:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 304F84353D for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 14:34:10 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from smtp01e.netjets.com (smtp01e.netjets.com [12.68.88.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1720042A14 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 14:12:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from unknown (HELO cmhprdsmg01.netjets.com) ([10.82.11.90]) by dco-a08-esa01.gss-i.netjets.com with ESMTP; 07 Nov 2013 15:59:28 -0500 Received: from cmhprdexccas01.netjets.com ( [10.82.12.55]) by cmhprdsmg01.netjets.com (Symantec Messaging Gateway) with SMTP id E6.B0.12691.61FFB725; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 15:59:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from CMHPRDEXCMBX11.netjets.com ([fe80::2c97:87c1:9ce5:7c48]) by cmhprdexccas01.netjets.com ([10.82.12.55]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 15:59:02 -0500 From: Scott Hutchinson To: "'michael@michaelshortt.com'" , "'milward@roadrunner.com'" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Spares Provisioning Thread-Index: AQHO2/SPY4mexErGr0eYmmRospasvpoahrWA//+5wWI= Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 20:59:01 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.83.80.19] MWPreVYHZo9dv2ewe5y69JzZ49/FNtYA5igum5TUnMyy1CJ9uwSujJPb/zEX7BGoeP1uKksD 43XeLkZODgkBE4ndN46zQ9hiEhfurWcDsYUE9jJKrHhQ3sXIBWRvZZSY/nUbK0iCTUBXYuaO 40wgtohAicTyZdsZQWxmAVOJa9dbwWxhAU2Jjz+/AA3iAKrRkti2xwOi3EpidcdDsFYWARWJ x3dPgJXzCvhLLDq0ggXE5hQIlFh0/wpYnBHonu+n1jBBjBeXuPVkPhPEnQISS/acZ4awRSVe Pv7HCmHLSzxqhDiTWUBP4sbUKWwQtrbEsoWvmSF2CUqcnPmEZQKj6CwkY2chaZmFpGUWkpYF jCyrGMWTczMKilKKc9MNDPXyUkuyUkuK9ZLzczcxgqOHO3IH45kldocYBTgYlXh4Cy5UBwmx JpYVV+YeYpTgYFYS4d37HSjEm5JYWZValB9fVJqTWnyIUZqDRUmcN/V0VpCQQHpiSWp2ampB ahFMlomDU6qBcXL/T9Fd6hsuM+bo308LPb71uf7PSV3Va0OipSMDlWMbFK/pXdrjMUWzJfzH w+83/xfPWb7t5Ay5Ha5hh1YKryrivLXl1xsl15i1MntTa9ODDFwD0reEHpj017gijytPLfyh 7o5n/1fLxzrEb9BaIW7b/XXpuwWzZOSWzsk+JTXj05vHRx65PFJiKc5INNRiLipOBACrU7jx mgIAAA== Cc: "'tigers@autox.team.net'" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Spares Provisioning Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Throttle cable. Scott Hutchinson Pilot, NetJets Aviation Mobile 843.290.2805 ----- Original Message ----- From: michael@michaelshortt.com [mailto:michaelsavga@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 03:10 PM To: Bill Rogers Cc: Tigers Subject: Re: [Tigers] Spares Provisioning a couple of plugs, tools, belts, duct tape, oil, fuses, tire plugs and compressor, first aid kit, flares, AAA card, water, cell phone. plastic tarp If you have an MSD box, a spare one, super glue, JB weld, lamps, Michael Shortt On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Bill Rogers wrote: > Here is the question. We have a fairly well sorted Mk1 Tiger where almost > everything has been gone through over the last 30 years and we drive it > almost > every month with few problems. If you were taking it on a 2000 mile trip > what > spares would you carry, assuming limited space? > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael@michaelshortt.com > > > -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia www.michaelshortt.com michael@michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390 This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then delete it. 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If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 7 14:43:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04C734324B for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 14:43:19 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo103.cox.net (eastrmfepo103.cox.net [68.230.241.215]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E22742FF1 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 14:37:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from eastrmimpo109 ([68.230.241.222]) by eastrmfepo201.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20131107213133.INAR4590.eastrmfepo201.cox.net@eastrmimpo109> for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 16:31:33 -0500 Received: from eastrmwml214 ([172.18.18.217]) by eastrmimpo109 with cox id mlXZ1m00U4h0NJL01lXZwl; Thu, 07 Nov 2013 16:31:33 -0500 a=Koi/Gpcx+Kmqs9Td3/8ybg==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=aSZ8MUwggcwA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=REINv9MV59QA:10 a=doupyKFmAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=aOxmp_YC8CQKEBawiDwA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=0vUscowIxtUA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=Koi/Gpcx+Kmqs9Td3/8ybg==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from 15.211.201.85 by webmail.east.cox.net; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 16:31:33 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 13:31:33 -0800 From: To: Tigers , Bill Rogers Sensitivity: Normal Subject: Re: [Tigers] Spares Provisioning Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net AAA card, cell phone, jumper cables, duct tape, all the tools and jack needed to change a tire. spare tire that holds air and is properly inflated. If you are using a Pertronix ignitor ignition carry a spare or a set of points to replace it. Erich ---- Bill Rogers wrote: > Here is the question. We have a fairly well sorted Mk1 Tiger where almost > everything has been gone through over the last 30 years and we drive it almost > every month with few problems. If you were taking it on a 2000 mile trip what > spares would you carry, assuming limited space? > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/e.coiner@cox.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 7 15:32:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03C83430E0 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 15:32:21 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8896942F68 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 15:31:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (omta005.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id rA7MTifY016649; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 14:29:44 -0800 Received: by dm0224.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 401895af) id dm0224.527a9b55.24b58; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 14:29:30 -0800 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Bill Rogers'" , "'Tigers'" Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 17:28:45 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac7b9H3VmMVJChk7QZ6gsChxbTZ46wADvYkg engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-11-07_06:2013-11-07,2013-11-07,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1311070184 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Spares Provisioning Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Bill Bill you got a good number of spare suggestions. I carry a small box with a few hydraulic rebuild kits with a few cotter pins and small nuts and bolts - never had to use any of the kits but just in case, fan belt, throttle cable, scissors jack and extra tools, 1/2 gal jug of coolant, some oil and brake fluid. I think I would also suggest some rubber fuel line and a spare fuel filter. For the trip to SUNI in Big Sky, the last spare I threw in was a spare coil. I took a side trip into the Big Horn mountains and part way in the engine went silent. I was luckily at a scenic overlook and pulled right in, opened the hood and let the engine cool. I figured either the fuel or the spark died. I checked the fuel first - OK. Pulled the spare Ford Yellow top coil out; used 2 jumper wires to connect it and the engine fire right up. Drove to the nearest Town, Buffalo Wyoming and bought another coil to mount in properly. I also had a throttle cable break at Big Sky, the voltage regulator acted up on the way home, a misfire at altitude and the right outside mirror glass fell out for some reason around the Little Big Horn area. I think Gen. Custer's ghost needed a mirror and swiped it. The voltage regulator got an alternator conversion. Misfires can happen with altitude, I just turned around and went down to clear that. So spare coil and spark plugs Have a great trip and may nothing go wrong for you. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Rogers Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 2:38 PM To: Tigers Subject: [Tigers] Spares Provisioning Here is the question. We have a fairly well sorted Mk1 Tiger where almost everything has been gone through over the last 30 years and we drive it almost every month with few problems. If you were taking it on a 2000 mile trip what spares would you carry, assuming limited space? _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3615/6807 - Release Date: 11/04/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 7 17:06:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80AAE43124 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 17:06:38 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f50.google.com (mail-pa0-f50.google.com [209.85.220.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69C4143044 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 16:57:45 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pa0-f50.google.com with SMTP id fb1so1372936pad.9 for ; Thu, 07 Nov 2013 15:55:37 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=lhqpcssFKGbyzdGLYxUKFAZ8QM2tIWLmDyhJ4S3Z+HI=; b=Of8tDoNJVfIxu07bDHVpkOhvh+LmIexVwWxCJmQVG3gPZVsOGo1ea37JLD/3lmIiiC vPL2vVJWYzcWte8dEGbAHa7hkqWZ3Q1zq8ceGdEqsr+OKHL/APVnuc6ivM275P44VKFf bLAWHKshAfF8QXrvHxfHTmx31QS3cCFPexO/xjCyyZgtOwnix8Y/HzQCdbSTrTwkFA91 BMX5U4dXuzr85q8X1IkF1yGvDRx96axRXQrLlGkblciRobYfvI7SgHjXeFOf/CXLfbwr ZRkh6oPs1miGIy3b+CNastGsivDDMyu3aEht6WFLypXwhNE9/HAgt+TF9OaK7e5zQBE1 Ifzw== q18mr12138684pag.97.1383868536857; Thu, 07 Nov 2013 15:55:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.29.10 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 15:55:36 -0800 (PST) References: <2659373438F94087B464C3DA417399FE@BillPC> Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 18:55:36 -0500 From: Owain Lloyd To: "rfraser@bluefrog.com" Cc: Bill Rogers , Tigers Subject: Re: [Tigers] Spares Provisioning Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net no need for oil as its available everywhere. or coolant as you can use drinking water. i would take drinking water, throttle cable, voltage regulator (even if internal to alternator), fan belt, some kind of rad weld, tank tape, electrical tape and some wire, spare wheel or compressor and sealant, points if you still use them, and maybe a coil. maybe brake fluid. maybe a 1-2 gallon petrol can. anything else and it starts to get too heavy and not very helpful. On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 5:28 PM, Ron Fraser wrote: > Bill > Bill you got a good number of spare suggestions. I carry a small > box with a few hydraulic rebuild kits with a few cotter pins and small nuts > and bolts - never had to use any of the kits but just in case, fan belt, > throttle cable, scissors jack and extra tools, 1/2 gal jug of coolant, some > oil and brake fluid. I think I would also suggest some rubber fuel line > and > a spare fuel filter. > > For the trip to SUNI in Big Sky, the last spare I threw in was a > spare coil. I took a side trip into the Big Horn mountains and part way in > the engine went silent. I was luckily at a scenic overlook and pulled > right > in, opened the hood and let the engine cool. I figured either the fuel or > the spark died. I checked the fuel first - OK. Pulled the spare Ford > Yellow top coil out; used 2 jumper wires to connect it and the engine fire > right up. Drove to the nearest Town, Buffalo Wyoming and bought another > coil to mount in properly. I also had a throttle cable break at Big Sky, > the voltage regulator acted up on the way home, a misfire at altitude and > the right outside mirror glass fell out for some reason around the Little > Big Horn area. I think Gen. Custer's ghost needed a mirror and swiped it. > The voltage regulator got an alternator conversion. Misfires can happen > with altitude, I just turned around and went down to clear that. > > So spare coil and spark plugs > > > Have a great trip and may nothing go wrong for you. > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Bill Rogers > Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 2:38 PM > To: Tigers > Subject: [Tigers] Spares Provisioning > > > Here is the question. We have a fairly well sorted Mk1 Tiger where almost > everything has been gone through over the last 30 years and we drive it > almost every month with few problems. If you were taking it on a 2000 mile > trip what spares would you carry, assuming limited space? > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3615/6807 - Release Date: 11/04/13 > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 7 17:19:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99DF243175 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 17:19:48 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d03.mx.aol.com (omr-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.200]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04A2043044 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 17:08:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.199]) by omr-d03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id E17AD7015A08B; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 19:05:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mle001b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mle001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.126.196]) by mtaomg-db01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 9B627E00008A; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 19:05:54 -0500 (EST) From: CoolVT@aol.com Full-name: CoolVT Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 19:05:54 -0500 (EST) To: milward@roadrunner.com, tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1383869154; bh=xOlHAqPG6F0blLnwAgSpzoD11dkqxdT3SsEd+FfARuI=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=es+HYFJq2Bz4AC3TBbg+XjjBnsKqbxygNVpCjCKu0y9A0eC14uX5Tn8uwmXc0ZW6U /h0qju/j+uNxSPhKbABsvebeT4vfD8YXGPQqtvv495Bz7MGwT6NI4ARjCp3ifZyffg Tm68Spvt8HX7V5GblWAcibivJwILmD9rFPTdJ/s0= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c7527c2ae23a31 Subject: [Tigers] Spares Provisioning Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I would think things that are not available at a local Napa store...........fuel pump, for example. A CAT emergency by-pass for the braking system. Brake light switch failure is a common problem. Things like that can and will go bad. None of us likes to spend money on things we don't need, but these 3 things we will eventually need if we keep the Tiger (and take up little space). Then, of course, a set of basic tools. Get a round dishpan from Walmart that will fit inside the spare tire. Stuff the spares and tool in the dishpan and that will be using normally wasted space. Mark L milward@roadrunner.com writes: Here is the question. We have a fairly well sorted Mk1 Tiger where almost everything has been gone through over the last 30 years and we drive it almost every month with few problems. If you were taking it on a 2000 mile trip what spares would you carry, assuming limited space? _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 7 17:41:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57A7C4314A for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 17:41:31 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f41.google.com (mail-pa0-f41.google.com [209.85.220.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40CB64319D for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 17:23:13 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id bj1so73623pad.14 for ; Thu, 07 Nov 2013 16:20:59 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=dm1aM7kA7c6NWRnk2KXVeJHGZPMj9ADDJyijxu2lzoU=; b=pU2V118OR8n2sN7SJJvru/tYqcnNvT0v6rEd9Kj2kyMP4pNSWmEM4hFN+1rL/0WSo9 WQD6t4QR63Zs7zDAqISFxyRHY8cMu4YgCXYGLArHcwjGVdzJB5+QO1/2LyzjIp87seDJ bbWeR+atk/THhWIIlrXUln4KmbiE5xsW/11IRTMO/O12/GCWDzAleHHfz+8RL+LzasSW XbL1eGH7cHRsInmesDR+nUIoaC5UTIpTLCnW4PmS7A9N/v1e4NhfDbob+VpxACdaxtQf kM0hz8l8+tDBFWhMhgG0LvdG5FfM3af+A2h5gQbbED7zHX91yS/ExGkrBjwIJ5p3+pyt BF2g== sq4mr12621763pab.178.1383870059069; Thu, 07 Nov 2013 16:20:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.29.10 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 16:20:58 -0800 (PST) References: <2d5c1.4c1fdaab.3fad84e2@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 19:20:58 -0500 From: Owain Lloyd To: "CoolVT@aol.com" Cc: Bill Rogers , "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Spares Provisioning Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net definitely a fuel pump - i forgot that, sorry. On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 7:05 PM, wrote: > I would think things that are not available at a local Napa > store...........fuel pump, for example. A CAT emergency by-pass for the > braking system. > Brake light switch failure is a common problem. Things like that can and > will go bad. None of us likes to spend money on things we don't need, but > these 3 things we will eventually need if we keep the Tiger (and take up > little space). > > Then, of course, a set of basic tools. Get a round dishpan from Walmart > that will fit inside the spare tire. Stuff the spares and tool in the > dishpan and that will be using normally wasted space. > Mark L > > > milward@roadrunner.com writes: > > Here is the question. We have a fairly well sorted Mk1 Tiger where almost > everything has been gone through over the last 30 years and we drive it > almost > every month with few problems. If you were taking it on a 2000 mile trip > what > spares would you carry, assuming limited space? > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 7 17:41:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D245A434D4 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 17:41:55 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from tx2outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (tx2ehsobe003.messaging.microsoft.com [65.55.88.13]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDED3434CB for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 17:25:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail227-tx2-R.bigfish.com (10.9.14.243) by TX2EHSOBE012.bigfish.com (10.9.40.32) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.22; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 00:22:54 +0000 Received: from mail227-tx2 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail227-tx2-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 219877602CB; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 00:22:54 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail227-tx2: domain of dynastream.com designates 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail227-tx2 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail227-tx2 (MessageSwitch) id 1383870172208558_18176; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 00:22:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from TX2EHSMHS010.bigfish.com (unknown [10.9.14.238]) by mail227-tx2.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 255A964009E; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 00:22:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by TX2EHSMHS010.bigfish.com (10.9.99.110) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.16.227.3; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 00:22:51 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT06.ad.garmin.com (10.2.0.28) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.222) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 18:23:10 -0600 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB06.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.5.11]) by olawpa-exht06.ad.garmin.com ([10.2.0.28]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 18:22:50 -0600 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "CoolVT@aol.com" , "milward@roadrunner.com" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Spares Provisioning Thread-Index: AQHO3BgAZ+gs+yRTykyRq515uFR9Ppoad+uA Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 00:22:50 +0000 References: <2d5c1.4c1fdaab.3fad84e2@aol.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.5.143.129] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Spares Provisioning Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Many stores carry Facet fuel pumps and cheap adjustable fuel pressure regulators. If you get stuck by the roadside then a Facet pump will get you going (and quite likely keep you going for a lot longer than the stock pump would, provided its maximum flow rate is within the range required by your engine). These pumps are available in a range of output pressures, but most parts stores will carry ones that are in the 3-5 PSI range so you will likely not even need another regulator on its output. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT@aol.com > Sent: November 7, 2013 5:06 PM > To: milward@roadrunner.com; tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Spares Provisioning > > I would think things that are not available at a local Napa > store...........fuel pump, for example. A CAT emergency by-pass for > the braking system. > Brake light switch failure is a common problem. Things like that can > and > will go bad. None of us likes to spend money on things we don't need, > but these 3 things we will eventually need if we keep the Tiger (and > take up little space). > > Then, of course, a set of basic tools. Get a round dishpan from > Walmart that will fit inside the spare tire. Stuff the spares and > tool in the dishpan and that will be using normally wasted space. > Mark L > > > milward@roadrunner.com writes: > > Here is the question. We have a fairly well sorted Mk1 Tiger where > almost > everything has been gone through over the last 30 years and we drive > it > almost > every month with few problems. If you were taking it on a 2000 mile > trip > what > spares would you carry, assuming limited space? > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/theo.smit@dynastream.com > > ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. Any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this communication (including attachments) by someone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Thank you. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 7 21:35:55 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 823B74325C for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 21:35:55 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f49.google.com (mail-la0-f49.google.com [209.85.215.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52A4C4303E for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 21:12:47 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-la0-f49.google.com with SMTP id ev20so1258156lab.8 for ; Thu, 07 Nov 2013 20:10:38 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Sd14y8i1/da8j1V5+qko4fbEqQ4KFIxS/BLzY3qA11M=; b=pmaq0mC1sJHLlh2kPkC3sF4bPrDmK3plajjqBdMwxm/hXKGJb9t05uOSyF47E5iCKK kWVlPZrsboE26abSjgKOA5qUnoh1GnTV5G15YBGDtyzCVlQOVssGdjPMXQz4gbaVplr/ iDUSYr8NsYamyfmadY9Okerf6A2jArb3dRXWd/ASvgQaNM+p7cJPDsAsDRCm98+Wl6bk ZLXTqyC4mHsX2P4nJDwod/GzvHoaDpf0MGTaSZMZgmRpLYr4LcaTiCRfmlcV2eJp6jSQ MTexG9XlbmdYAVI3q5XodPeF2QizZpymZQp6hqxEq6+z9YOq3d1H04IRHuD4vbf18DX+ eOHQ== rg9mr8911133lbb.19.1383883838434; Thu, 07 Nov 2013 20:10:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.204.69 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 20:10:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.204.69 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 20:10:38 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 23:10:38 -0500 From: "michael@michaelshortt.com" To: Scott Hutchinson Cc: Bill Rogers , tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Spares Provisioning Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I forgot to mention zip ties...always a life saver. Michael Shortt On Nov 7, 2013 10:49 PM, "Scott Hutchinson" wrote: > Throttle cable. > > Scott Hutchinson > Pilot, NetJets Aviation > > Mobile 843.290.2805 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: michael@michaelshortt.com [mailto:michaelsavga@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 03:10 PM > To: Bill Rogers > Cc: Tigers > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Spares Provisioning > > a couple of plugs, tools, belts, duct tape, oil, fuses, tire plugs and > compressor, first aid kit, flares, AAA card, water, cell phone. plastic > tarp > > If you have an MSD box, a spare one, super glue, JB weld, lamps, > > > Michael Shortt > > > On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Bill Rogers > wrote: > > > Here is the question. We have a fairly well sorted Mk1 Tiger where almost > > everything has been gone through over the last 30 years and we drive it > > almost > > every month with few problems. 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Guys and gals, A short while ago, I asked you to vote for one of Tiger GT owner Don Antilla's other toys, a 1966 Ford Fairlane 427 hardtop, in Hemmings contest for Muscle Machine of the year. You'll be glad to know that your votes paid off. http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2013/11/07/ford-fairlane-427-factory-drag-racer-wins-muscle-machine-of-the-year/?refer=news Just a list of some of his other cars that I know about: Griffith 200, 1968 Mustang GT Cobra Jet 428, Cobra roadster. According to Don, this was the first time a Chevrolet hasn't won. Needless to say, when I read him the story yesterday from Hemmings, he was very pleased, and he'd like to thank you all for helping win. Rande Bellman _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 8 12:48:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E063431D5 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 12:48:59 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d06.mx.aol.com (omr-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.203]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E295B43096 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 12:42:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.76]) by omr-d06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 7EA237014893F for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 14:40:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-dqa001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dqa001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.211.193]) by mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id E90CAE000081 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 14:40:07 -0500 (EST) From: Rollright@aol.com Full-name: Rollright Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 14:40:07 -0500 (EST) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1383939608; bh=K2yMK3O2cmXqZWplUNBHQzHgctb0Qm0uHqVLo+GcSj0=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=PpxlT6mjA3ImFVq3U9KEbhQvbiJb1y6HSUCdQfFwEa5FBzSeHEE0YCfiMGfUmj83Q 3AD9VGzzMuE15pad1b3wX6tZri5HnlH41ZncPVANt+prATPEr3RuLgvZowlcrMyzRh UKHJCkROBEFj0WNCaXoObl1C9CoYXN1hkJ3d8OJo= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294c527d3e172fef Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 365 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net RE: http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2013/11/07/ford-fairlane-427-factory-drag -racer-wins-muscle-machine-of-the-year/?refer=news What a neat car. Born the same year as my Mk 1A ! So many choices back in the day. Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE TAC 0763 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 11 15:24:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD92E43619 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 15:24:10 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa09-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa09-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.233]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F230435D9 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 15:23:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from JeffE6410ATG ([74.103.169.167]) by p3plsmtpa09-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id oNNk1m0023d2gJJ01NNkvf; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 15:22:45 -0700 From: "Jeff Feit" To: Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 17:22:47 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac7fLFZ+xbs2YI7kTguX9PUJ26DOzg== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Tigers] Steering Shaft U Joint Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Does anyone have a part number for replacement U-joints for the steering shaft? Thanks Jeff Feit B9471573 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 11 15:41:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A40F43637 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 15:41:24 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF4E943605 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 15:41:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004960.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id rABMeqOx010243; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 14:40:52 -0800 Received: by dm0219.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 40189491) id dm0219.527a9b62.9e58a; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 14:40:06 -0800 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Jeff Feit'" , Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 17:39:59 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac7fLFZ+xbs2YI7kTguX9PUJ26DOzgAAfHUg engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-11-11_04:2013-11-11,2013-11-11,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1311110169 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering Shaft U Joint Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jeff Sunbeam Specialties list them in their catalog. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Feit Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 5:23 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Steering Shaft U Joint Does anyone have a part number for replacement U-joints for the steering shaft? Thanks Jeff Feit B9471573 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3629/6824 - Release Date: 11/10/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 13 09:11:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99E2742F7D for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 09:11:09 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f176.google.com (mail-ve0-f176.google.com [209.85.128.176]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BFDC42EEB for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 08:49:26 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ve0-f176.google.com with SMTP id c14so447518vea.35 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 07:48:51 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=JoshtZ3PtbpxRinMg6suoWjPC2UZBTYErgK7iOn6SzM=; b=zraIbqaiJXOntg5JqzjmcVuumX+nlEhpsNgyhahHqvm8JrZ00EAfLQoo+q+AdUCI/X Qp6xZFeSCwvOpmNOMCdTyjHKAnruB00p4mxOvebq60peFMY4Nc5qc8D6wY4kvufpsfdJ nuj1tx/e2FXhCwuHBIx3a2jSC5jhwi9UmVme/RwuXs7ugiJV84h2A8mPZQHeQBZw+y+K euevtYdrcivV2mFgULq9x4qjybfvl8u8Wswo4fy87vXI76tfSSY29csE+ccdP3t6SpFU YtPrXAgvl0LYUcwlVk1HsGLMgkpZn4wBtn/Y+4PHKWDr+8jvu+fu9pv71H85Zf+38znd +3/A== h5mr1199781vdt.43.1384357731417; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 07:48:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.176.2 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 07:48:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 10:48:51 -0500 From: "Robert D. Hogan" To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] C.A.T. Rollbar For Sale Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Purchased the C.A.T. rollbar in the mid-70's and never installed it in the Tiger. I'd like to sell it for a reasonable price and it should be shippable via UPS originating from zip code 49068. Inquiries are welcome. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 13 12:32:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DD5F40523 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 12:32:36 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f172.google.com (mail-vc0-f172.google.com [209.85.220.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09A7D40405 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 12:11:11 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-vc0-f172.google.com with SMTP id ij19so618909vcb.3 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 11:10:36 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=HR8BcOQW1s468MYTcyK4MbFCEnxYhl3pSOBqt51fxrg=; b=Eqp/Bt/VTB2IDBdHBEtNe4IczWY1tG5LT6FZQwbctGjBuoypLWeHRv7bgtGwzZGy4t 2IUdKVlPb/Y+QM0bkkYw7zzk31pVfeI+tkzb4Am1A0Ye1sladWhESqwqV+TJ8uADPUzO HkaqeYQx5sASCR1T+1YQSEKPVt7O7U9Le/3eu6yPBS2MRMIUwgK8LsMPD0GqnVqVsqV1 Qk++TpUijdEp5iix2WsANy5/nPSxnPmd51rtmd5EvAw9WHX1idjj5zFovqoXcqALYh9g /AXAdhWYyfVRXMX/h0Vu0AdZ1dC8QVn+Dj6wOwHN7/jb3QkrzfO7dHARKT22K4a1W0XR eEqw== xc10mr12021vdb.91.1384369836315; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 11:10:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.179.135 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 11:10:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 14:10:36 -0500 From: Chip Broadbooks To: LIST TIGER Subject: [Tigers] 1966 Sunbeam Alpine Eng/Trans Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I remember a Tiger on CL or one of the forums about a year ago that was rusted well beyond the point of no return for sale in NC. It was cheap. $5k I think. It went really quick. No one got the VIN info before it was gone... So now here is this guy in VA that is admittedly making a clone. Not making assumptions. Just saying..... http://fredericksburg.craigslist.org/pts/4186748200.html _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 13 12:51:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2883740434 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 12:51:59 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f178.google.com (mail-pd0-f178.google.com [209.85.192.178]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E86A5403EF for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 12:41:29 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pd0-f178.google.com with SMTP id p10so867191pdj.9 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 11:40:38 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=GAfNY44lLlqeoNchIGG/VKcOfsguEeQruOghLbpGWvY=; b=fbyHYq2mxG4/n6MJQf7WqIrbs1DtUtGMwlgSzrISLTk6r1b1eKDGB6TPJysQVG4Xbq /D1KVKVRldCUUyb44L75NCrQpjspNx3RJ2dwD5EvjdWJhCE49cTdeqZPWo+4wPT1hq9F 66ZpQZi3GuTjesM4O5M6+Ja9IDDno+fm5nDdj/te6+jAkt71JTawztGMTp+NpH3+qzD6 Dwk+c9XNh5lsy6q1W8e5jcAUkYmcKOjmMv1C96ppCbf7nv0Vg6MToHcC3JSS8IGiP3Df Pk9H/GUiREDfByaFLDxJQ+OExoXtKqRs5aekvcWAYbkketsGbpiMk2NDYO6yFSeNVXCj FsQA== f15mr19580891pag.136.1384371638517; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 11:40:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.126.197 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 11:40:38 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 13:40:38 -0600 From: Cullen McCann To: Chip Broadbooks Cc: LIST TIGER Subject: Re: [Tigers] 1966 Sunbeam Alpine Eng/Trans Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net We have a similar one here in the central oklahoma area. Guy says he was going to build one, never did. something else, if I was to guess, I bet that most people just mean an Alpine with a V8 to make a "Tiger". Obviously some have taken it to a level that is very hard to tell the difference, but some just put V8's in between the frame rails and call it a Tiger. I for one am glad when they think its that simple, it makes the clones easier to spot and less likely to get confused with the real Tigers. http://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/4175945659.html Cullen Alpine 260, Tac 840 On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Chip Broadbooks wrote: > I remember a Tiger on CL or one of the forums about a year ago that was > rusted well beyond the point of no return for sale in NC. It was cheap. $5k > I think. It went really quick. No one got the VIN info before it was > gone... > > So now here is this guy in VA that is admittedly making a clone. Not making > assumptions. Just saying..... > > http://fredericksburg.craigslist.org/pts/4186748200.html > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cmccann1972@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 13 13:39:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3F8340531 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 13:39:38 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-35.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18DA7403EF for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 13:37:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (omta006.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id rADKakpm009737 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 12:36:50 -0800 Received: by dm0226.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 43ca9d92) id dm0226.528310f3.1dbad for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 12:36:36 -0800 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 12:36:32 -0800 From: Larry Mayfield Organization: Mayfield Motorsport User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.14,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-11-13_06:2013-11-13,2013-11-13,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1311130144 Subject: [Tigers] Dash Pad Install Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Ok, so I have my old dash pad off, in a zillion pieces, cracked all over the place. I see from both the metal onder it and frm th epieced togethr old pad, tht it was glued down around the outer edge about an 1 1/2 inchesd wide from one end to the other. And around the vent openings. Contact cement of some sort was used but sparingly. Also under the dash behind the front metal facia, it was glued down. I seem to remember that there was a short discussion on gluing the pad down. I am going to put the new pad on like the old one was on. The questions I have is one of technique and procedure. I head that one put contact cement on the two parts and let it set up. Then put down wax paper on the bottom, then some short sections of dowels (size, length) and then maybe some more wax paper over the dowels to keep the upper pad from gluing itself to the dowels. Then place the dash pad into close proximity to the final location and get it aligned to some tape marks I have made. While my helper is pushing the pad forward into alignment, I will pull the dowels from the center most locations and when in alignment, press the pieces together. I will do that working from the center to the outer ends. When that is finished, I will put contact cement on the tuck under pieces that go up and over the top of the dash and then when that glue is ready tuck all those pieces into place. I will probably do those working from the center outward also. If any of that sounds goofy, just consider who is making the plan, lol. I would dearly love to hear from any and all who have actually done this little chore and what pitfalls I am about to encounter. If you have done this before and are not to ashamed of your work, please, please tell me how you did it? What contact cement did you use? A detailed step by step procedure? Heck is there one on the TU web site? I'll look... I want to do this tomorrow or the next day.. I still have some minor trimming to do. Many thanks, in advance!!! larry -- ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 13 13:52:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 149ED40521 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 13:52:47 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-lb0-f170.google.com (mail-lb0-f170.google.com [209.85.217.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 112EA40398 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 13:52:22 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-lb0-f170.google.com with SMTP id z5so833290lbh.29 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 12:51:43 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=C8+ZmOqqucZhxZtwH4Id5oRmCEoguIpJGilvg/vqky8=; b=S0HAUM8aQcEDsG1d2ux80dH1uOmr07ekYqW2/gI+WVEVyEq12C4z/DjgxyvVKcd8Jd GCT8jWLUAAKAXKdmoQ6M48g1R6UZtyHB57QBpHHr1Nx/nD09ScXmFiYwk+4U0S64ahHx 4M2Dxgtp/JVJvj0ZoDvxz3X6NhgALAPyPwJW/RYliX5BxQiLKs5lEV04Dt/qf0c/L9hg qOLF6I5AMqnfRAgILOZCPjbiaIo2IA+Nb1HxlUOmuqq6MvApWCdScHc69lLx59kCqzQS yx2spku/m87I9woThUPy3DU8PmixCL48pVeeBfjtKSzgy9hQ6m0d3/OTWaCHx4DazdtB X0Fg== Wed, 13 Nov 2013 12:51:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.204.69 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 12:51:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.204.69 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 12:51:43 -0800 (PST) References: <5283E2D0.6010009@mayfco.com> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 15:51:43 -0500 From: "michael@michaelshortt.com" To: "" Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dash Pad Install Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Great plan. PRACTICE before using the glue. Michael Shortt On Nov 13, 2013 3:39 PM, "Larry Mayfield" wrote: > Ok, so I have my old dash pad off, in a zillion pieces, cracked all over > the place. I see from both the metal onder it and frm th epieced togethr > old pad, tht it was glued down around the outer edge about an 1 1/2 > inchesd wide from one end to the other. And around the vent openings. > Contact cement of some sort was used but sparingly. Also under the dash > behind the front metal facia, it was glued down. I seem to remember that > there was a short discussion on gluing the pad down. I am going to put > the new pad on like the old one was on. > > The questions I have is one of technique and procedure. I head that one > put contact cement on the two parts and let it set up. Then put down wax > paper on the bottom, then some short sections of dowels (size, length) and > then maybe some more wax paper over the dowels to keep the upper pad from > gluing itself to the dowels. Then place the dash pad into close proximity > to the final location and get it aligned to some tape marks I have made. > While my helper is pushing the pad forward into alignment, I will pull the > dowels from the center most locations and when in alignment, press the > pieces together. I will do that working from the center to the outer ends. > When that is finished, I will put contact cement on the tuck under pieces > that go up and over the top of the dash and then when that glue is ready > tuck all those pieces into place. I will probably do those working from > the center outward also. > > If any of that sounds goofy, just consider who is making the plan, lol. I > would dearly love to hear from any and all who have actually done this > little chore and what pitfalls I am about to encounter. If you have done > this before and are not to ashamed of your work, please, please tell me how > you did it? What contact cement did you use? A detailed step by step > procedure? Heck is there one on the TU web site? I'll look... I want to > do this tomorrow or the next day.. I still have some minor trimming to do. > > Many thanks, in advance!!! > > larry > > -- > ______________________________ > drmayf > Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. > 204.913 mph flying mile > 210.779 mph exit speed > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael@ > michaelshortt.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 13 15:08:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96646403F9 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 15:08:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from exprod5og102.obsmtp.com (exprod5og102.obsmtp.com [64.18.0.143]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9D41403D0 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 15:00:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from cinmlip14.e2k.ad.ge.com ([165.156.4.1]) (using TLSv1) by exprod5ob102.postini.com ([64.18.4.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUoP18ezHcpNkz61yRVsjOrEEyLmoxDhW@postini.com; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 13:59:47 PST Received: from unknown (HELO CINMBHT03.e2k.ad.ge.com) ([3.159.212.196]) by cinmlip14.e2k.ad.ge.com with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 13 Nov 2013 16:58:08 -0500 Received: from CINMBAPD08.e2k.ad.ge.com (3.159.212.47) by CINMBHT03.e2k.ad.ge.com (3.159.212.196) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.146.0; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 16:58:07 -0500 Received: from CINMBCNA10.e2k.ad.ge.com ([169.254.4.217]) by CINMBAPD08.e2k.ad.ge.com ([169.254.10.84]) with mapi id 14.03.0146.000; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 16:58:07 -0500 From: "Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light)" To: "drmayf@mayfco.com" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Dash Pad Install Thread-Index: AQHO4LCmyleS8IDciEGHtEN4ruld7pojsaBA Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 21:58:06 +0000 References: <5283E2D0.6010009@mayfco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [3.159.212.193] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dash Pad Install Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net One question, does this dash pad need to hold up to LSR speeds? :>) There are several grades of contact adhesive, 3M has a high strength 90 for marine applications, the 74 and 77 for trim and headliners, the 80 is for vinyl and rubber, and a few more for special applications. http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/Adhesives/Tapes/Products/~/3M-Tap e-and-3M-Adhesives/Non-Structural-Adhesives/Spray-Adhesives?N=5396314&rt=c3 I have used the 77 for headliners and foam insulation-to-firewall with great success. The no-name spray stuff at Autozone is crap. If you can work with the brush-on liquid, try the 3M Fastbond, I used it on all the upholstery work and it holds well. Have fun and try not to glue your fingers together like I've done! Bugz -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 3:37 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Dash Pad Install Ok, so I have my old dash pad off, in a zillion pieces, cracked all over the place. I see from both the metal onder it and frm th epieced togethr old pad, tht it was glued down around the outer edge about an 1 1/2 inchesd wide from one end to the other. And around the vent openings. Contact cement of some sort was used but sparingly. Also under the dash behind the front metal facia, it was glued down. I seem to remember that there was a short discussion on gluing the pad down. I am going to put the new pad on like the old one was on. The questions I have is one of technique and procedure. I head that one put contact cement on the two parts and let it set up. Then put down wax paper on the bottom, then some short sections of dowels (size, length) and then maybe some more wax paper over the dowels to keep the upper pad from gluing itself to the dowels. Then place the dash pad into close proximity to the final location and get it aligned to some tape marks I have made. While my helper is pushing the pad forward into alignment, I will pull the dowels from the center most locations and when in alignment, press the pieces together. I will do that working from the center to the outer ends. When that is finished, I will put contact cement on the tuck under pieces that go up and over the top of the dash and then when that glue is ready tuck all those pieces into place. I will probably do those working from the center outward also. If any of that sounds goofy, just consider who is making the plan, lol. I would dearly love to hear from any and all who have actually done this little chore and what pitfalls I am about to encounter. If you have done this before and are not to ashamed of your work, please, please tell me how you did it? What contact cement did you use? A detailed step by step procedure? Heck is there one on the TU web site? I'll look... I want to do this tomorrow or the next day.. I still have some minor trimming to do. Many thanks, in advance!!! larry -- ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mark.rense@ge.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 13 15:22:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65BB34044A for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 15:22:39 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f171.google.com (mail-ob0-f171.google.com [209.85.214.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E4D040398 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 15:13:59 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ob0-f171.google.com with SMTP id gq1so1220150obb.2 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 14:13:24 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=1My38Tfxwh/sB/qrST7/fwTkXMm9WWrQ7DOuhvpBCEw=; b=ZZIE3LQm2rg5GZLD5yt23MQqmU5SS0oGNxIrZKeKeEk1neLHNE2Y26aOwdXsQK3TLV otRNutLpJdJvnATHbZ9pJJ9feAbU3JfRys/LLHTuYYBIYlb8T3RWG5szzBJujjKsOCuY a64a2XspEgWUEE2lmr/o18T0oywaZCa1c28Yv7bmDAdRm+c5wJN9Z3oKiptr/dgjXmw+ Ym67ASpC6Q+JBaEOIuUol0QXevB3yIHAKmTYru1DYQTB4QhfHJz02m1H/zKzcwAEI+0+ mMAq05hdyONT1JefroE1yhX6L3gZnWJ0mzeaGS00FvDSdkewCcCC6j35lzsuSSXl1dMU hzlw== ji6mr31521321obc.36.1384380804647; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 14:13:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.34.196 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 14:13:24 -0800 (PST) References: <5283E2D0.6010009@mayfco.com> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 09:13:24 +1100 From: michael king To: drmayf Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dash Pad Install Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Larry, Do you have a new repro one from SS? From what i understand from many posts on the forums and even the list they require some trimming and sanding. Apparently the foam under the leading edge of the windscreen can be a little thick and needs sanding to sit correctly and also the foam at the edges of where the dash rolls over... so to a test fit dry. -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 13 15:23:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FCED40409 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 15:23:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f44.google.com (mail-pb0-f44.google.com [209.85.160.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA34640398 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 15:16:07 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pb0-f44.google.com with SMTP id rp16so1066620pbb.3 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 14:15:33 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=T/xEhFMl7C5H0d1AOzOKAewTvWuR3a50mJ6XYUZ9J2c=; b=UUp/ZVaVPuGXD2WB+zvKOW1CFPAkHFzYuKJ3N9rz53OU+94AWhmOyahx8mitOb8CJ0 rjnNRP81WJY39FwIn1Trx6Io7kenO0jLWhpq4F8dX5orR1/ZkMYgfSNhBySBn2DhahBH /855Ap/+RnE1TK7KRHA96z71fLoNdjlPXLdqMvknwwFByxP2/Ziz7cNPCypNLJ1TOCRz vHBt399jOuOKp0uGghP1NIWkWse4iTDiN0lD78cs4utmvxr8ZCA70XZ+xnTgNZb/5/JQ Pyqz08Ustysrdt4EpcdS8VsrLBxwJG8pob3J8a6h0SYlsYfkz1G0v97rBBMovdMat4LP /NiQ== ll4mr43804636pab.48.1384380932926; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 14:15:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.123.34 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 14:15:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.123.34 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 14:15:32 -0800 (PST) References: <5283E2D0.6010009@mayfco.com> <26805228D183EF4E9C6F4499BB55B05147D38FAA@CINMBCNA10.e2k.ad.ge.com> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 17:15:32 -0500 From: "michael@michaelshortt.com" To: "Mark Rense, (GE, Appl & Light)" Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dash Pad Install Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wear latex gloves. And do it in a well ventilated area. Michael On Nov 13, 2013 5:09 PM, "Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light)" wrote: > One question, does this dash pad need to hold up to LSR speeds? :>) > > There are several grades of contact adhesive, 3M has a high strength 90 for > marine applications, the 74 and 77 for trim and headliners, the 80 is for > vinyl and rubber, and a few more for special applications. > > > http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/Adhesives/Tapes/Products/~/3M-Tap > e-and-3M-Adhesives/Non-Structural-Adhesives/Spray-Adhesives?N=5396314&rt=c3 > > I have used the 77 for headliners and foam insulation-to-firewall with > great > success. The no-name spray stuff at Autozone is crap. > > If you can work with the brush-on liquid, try the 3M Fastbond, I used it on > all the upholstery work and it holds well. > > Have fun and try not to glue your fingers together like I've done! > > Bugz > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of Larry Mayfield > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 3:37 PM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Dash Pad Install > > Ok, so I have my old dash pad off, in a zillion pieces, cracked all over > the > place. I see from both the metal onder it and frm th epieced togethr old > pad, > tht it was glued down around the outer edge about an 1 1/2 > inchesd wide from one end to the other. And around the vent openings. > Contact cement of some sort was used but sparingly. Also under the dash > behind the front metal facia, it was glued down. I seem to remember > that there was a short discussion on gluing the pad down. I am going > to put the new pad on like the old one was on. > > The questions I have is one of technique and procedure. I head that > one put contact cement on the two parts and let it set up. Then put down > wax > paper on the bottom, then some short sections of dowels (size, > length) and then maybe some more wax paper over the dowels to keep the > upper pad from gluing itself to the dowels. Then place the dash pad > into close proximity to the final location and get it aligned to some tape > marks I have made. While my helper is pushing the pad forward into > alignment, > I will pull the dowels from the center most locations and when in > alignment, > press the pieces together. I will do that working from the center to the > outer > ends. When that is finished, I will put contact cement on the tuck under > pieces that go up and over the top of the dash and then when that glue is > ready tuck all those pieces into place. I will probably do those working > from > the center outward also. > > If any of that sounds goofy, just consider who is making the plan, lol. > I would dearly love to hear from any and all who have actually done this > little chore and what pitfalls I am about to encounter. If you have done > this > before and are not to ashamed of your work, please, please tell me how you > did > it? What contact cement did you use? A detailed step by > step procedure? Heck is there one on the TU web site? I'll look... I > want to do this tomorrow or the next day.. I still have some minor > trimming to > do. > > Many thanks, in advance!!! > > larry > > -- > ______________________________ > drmayf > Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. > 204.913 mph flying mile > 210.779 mph exit speed > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mark.rense@ge.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael@michaelshortt.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 13 15:54:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49929403F8 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 15:54:39 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mx1.sogetel.net (mx1.Sogetel.net [205.236.148.151]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7945E40398 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 15:46:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from pop3.ivic.qc.ca ([66.187.114.13] helo=ivic0.sogetel.net) by mx1.sogetel.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1VgjC1-0001GB-GU; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 17:45:49 -0500 Received: from ip160.125-126-74.sogetel.net ([74.126.125.160] helo=D7F0WHF1) by ivic0.sogetel.net with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VgjC1-0004JH-AR; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 17:45:49 -0500 From: "denis mercier" To: , References: <5283E2D0.6010009@mayfco.com> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 17:45:50 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dash Pad Install Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Larry. When i install new dash pad on my Tiger i never used wax paper. I used contact cement (LEPAGE( brand on bolth face to glue and i don't had problem. I used the same contact cement to restore the interior without any problem. I don't know if (LEPAGE( is available in US but use a good contact cement, some contact glue are cheaper but don't work well. If you are like me and like original cars or want to use the tonneau cover, you have to reinstall tonneau stud. To do this before to install the dash pad drill each hole tonneau stud from top to down, the drill must be smaller than the studs hole, take care to don't broken the stud thread, there is a second thickness of sheet metal under the top sheet metal where you glue the dash pad. After the holes drilled install the dash pad at the right place(WITHOUT( glue and drill the stud holes by under the the dash to top, the stud holes gone be at the right place ! Denis Mercier Canada. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Mayfield" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 3:36 PM Subject: [Tigers] Dash Pad Install > Ok, so I have my old dash pad off, in a zillion pieces, cracked all over > the place. I see from both the metal onder it and frm th epieced togethr > old pad, tht it was glued down around the outer edge about an 1 1/2 > inchesd wide from one end to the other. And around the vent openings. > Contact cement of some sort was used but sparingly. Also under the dash > behind the front metal facia, it was glued down. I seem to remember that > there was a short discussion on gluing the pad down. I am going to put > the new pad on like the old one was on. > > The questions I have is one of technique and procedure. I head that one > put contact cement on the two parts and let it set up. Then put down wax > paper on the bottom, then some short sections of dowels (size, length) and > then maybe some more wax paper over the dowels to keep the upper pad from > gluing itself to the dowels. Then place the dash pad into close > proximity to the final location and get it aligned to some tape marks I > have made. While my helper is pushing the pad forward into alignment, I > will pull the dowels from the center most locations and when in alignment, > press the pieces together. I will do that working from the center to the > outer ends. When that is finished, I will put contact cement on the tuck > under pieces that go up and over the top of the dash and then when that > glue is ready tuck all those pieces into place. I will probably do those > working from the center outward also. > > If any of that sounds goofy, just consider who is making the plan, lol. I > would dearly love to hear from any and all who have actually done this > little chore and what pitfalls I am about to encounter. If you have done > this before and are not to ashamed of your work, please, please tell me > how you did it? What contact cement did you use? A detailed step by step > procedure? Heck is there one on the TU web site? I'll look... I want to > do this tomorrow or the next day.. I still have some minor trimming to do. > > Many thanks, in advance!!! > > larry > > -- > ______________________________ > drmayf > Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. > 204.913 mph flying mile > 210.779 mph exit speed > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/denismercier@telvic.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 13 18:16:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6474140523 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 18:16:05 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 575CE403D0 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 18:14:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from homef2683adebd ([unknown] [173.78.236.254]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MW8007IIBENCAA1@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 19:13:56 -0600 (CST) From: "Scattt" To: , References: <5283E2D0.6010009@mayfco.com> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 20:13:53 -0500 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dash Pad Install Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I second the idea to drill your stud holes. You can then use a Ice Pick from below to locate the stud locations without messing up your pad after you glue it down. Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael@michaelshortt.com" To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dash Pad Install > Great plan. PRACTICE before using the glue. > > Michael Shortt > On Nov 13, 2013 3:39 PM, "Larry Mayfield" wrote: > >> Ok, so I have my old dash pad off, in a zillion pieces, cracked all over >> the place. I see from both the metal onder it and frm th epieced togethr >> old pad, tht it was glued down around the outer edge about an 1 1/2 >> inchesd wide from one end to the other. And around the vent openings. >> Contact cement of some sort was used but sparingly. Also under the dash >> behind the front metal facia, it was glued down. I seem to remember that >> there was a short discussion on gluing the pad down. I am going to put >> the new pad on like the old one was on. >> >> The questions I have is one of technique and procedure. I head that one >> put contact cement on the two parts and let it set up. Then put down wax >> paper on the bottom, then some short sections of dowels (size, length) >> and >> then maybe some more wax paper over the dowels to keep the upper pad from >> gluing itself to the dowels. Then place the dash pad into close >> proximity >> to the final location and get it aligned to some tape marks I have made. >> While my helper is pushing the pad forward into alignment, I will pull >> the >> dowels from the center most locations and when in alignment, press the >> pieces together. I will do that working from the center to the outer >> ends. >> When that is finished, I will put contact cement on the tuck under pieces >> that go up and over the top of the dash and then when that glue is ready >> tuck all those pieces into place. I will probably do those working from >> the center outward also. >> >> If any of that sounds goofy, just consider who is making the plan, lol. I >> would dearly love to hear from any and all who have actually done this >> little chore and what pitfalls I am about to encounter. If you have done >> this before and are not to ashamed of your work, please, please tell me >> how >> you did it? What contact cement did you use? A detailed step by step >> procedure? Heck is there one on the TU web site? I'll look... I want >> to >> do this tomorrow or the next day.. I still have some minor trimming to >> do. >> >> Many thanks, in advance!!! >> >> larry >> >> -- >> ______________________________ >> drmayf >> Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. >> 204.913 mph flying mile >> 210.779 mph exit speed >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael@ >> michaelshortt.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/scattt@verizon.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 13 19:46:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A74740521 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 19:46:59 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f180.google.com (mail-ie0-f180.google.com [209.85.223.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A94B403D0 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 19:26:29 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ie0-f180.google.com with SMTP id qd12so1883666ieb.11 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 18:25:52 -0800 (PST) h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :thread-index:content-language; bh=SwF2Bu6rr4zaa6DKwb8s+M/zzNZKBwTpXu90Xt057xo=; b=M9cywY33zD/ztu/yAyFfENUL5Rs8zXW5+7K7AmAqzF4pVHcvKxhLZVFvZ51Q0UceJ9 iheZ2lAbGSyMUehNQARHt2/Ia+N4+e3sJr8//9Ly3ghFKIBlCo+9DuqhTKRblfxII1l9 heHMUDy45dRFx4jkL0QXVigdcFUrctLEOk07GszK81Nm75Yy/VjuGualeJqDibB23YsK iLBUJnrRCSxAY9ETsV8aV2Wm/mAQzNPHP6B2p1rLvo5SySiYchC8zBLd465fS2JZV3wR RRxa5Eh31H6stIa4Z+4hBC+/6u3wzKnTAh55FeDHSY5DjBDtrIvtNFjTkYHChIfl5HMk m3KA== ci9mr49338igc.31.1384395952818; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 18:25:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from Delbert (mobile-198-228-235-240.mycingular.net. [198.228.235.240]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id c14sm1490378ign.0.2013.11.13.18.25.51 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 13 Nov 2013 18:25:52 -0800 (PST) From: "robertdhogan" To: Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 21:25:53 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac7g4KTYCUy9wilMRLKgmP+87faIJA== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Frame Dimensions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Are the Tiger's frame dimensions available in a published source other than the information being sold on ebay? _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 13 20:42:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B87240521 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 20:42:50 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from am1outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (am1ehsobe005.messaging.microsoft.com [213.199.154.208]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0AAB403F9 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 20:33:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail64-am1-R.bigfish.com (10.3.201.240) by AM1EHSOBE026.bigfish.com (10.3.207.148) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.22; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 03:33:14 +0000 Received: from mail64-am1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail64-am1-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA1AC380258; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 03:33:14 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail64-am1: domain of dynastream.com designates 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail64-am1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail64-am1 (MessageSwitch) id 1384399974146079_23884; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 03:32:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from AM1EHSMHS018.bigfish.com (unknown [10.3.201.246]) by mail64-am1.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B7C31603E8; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 03:32:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by AM1EHSMHS018.bigfish.com (10.3.207.156) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.16.227.3; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 03:32:36 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT03.ad.garmin.com (10.5.32.181) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.222) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 21:32:34 -0600 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB06.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.5.11]) by OLAWPA-EXHT03.ad.garmin.com ([10.5.32.181]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 21:32:34 -0600 From: "Smit, Theo" To: robertdhogan , "tigers@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Tiger Frame Dimensions Thread-Index: Ac7g4KTYCUy9wilMRLKgmP+87faIJAACRVmQ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 03:32:33 +0000 References: <00c301cee0e0$d8a5be40$89f13ac0$@gmail.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.5.143.129] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Frame Dimensions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net In the Tiger workshop manual, page O2. http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsmO2.asp This book is available in print from Sunbeam Specialties, as well as the scraped-off-the-web versions you can buy on eBay. 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Thank you. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 14 02:28:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8322403F9 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 02:28:18 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C580B40396 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 02:28:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta16.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.72]) by qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id pMTT1m0021ZMdJ4A4MTZ38; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 09:27:33 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.91] ([67.164.102.155]) by omta16.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id pMTY1m0093MALtP8cMTY4w; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 09:27:33 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 01:27:36 -0800 From: Tom Hall User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 To: drmayf@mayfco.com, Tiger e-mail List References: <5283E2D0.6010009@mayfco.com> s=q20121106; t=1384421253; bh=KX9/OEXNBAn/+UyXtBOSIqwcbDvFz+1D4m+EyZzbpto=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=MVNTi3sKyd7PKlyUj16wYkPwG/7Q3eshNYcPX2yu7sZA5xQUD8zPGefgwl7UBhx6l hLMmXEhQ0boCeLB3IoAwzKzrUPDns6GvN0JzFE7ikknFucN/GkRvJELiAggkSdNOVa YQEyeCPhV50ASfwO1RH7LiAJ4OWmPU4lKOQMM70kEZtvD0ZQJMD0ZX5DCUuJGzRddc Hm/9vjosJHypG6yCJA5MqXlNZhrvJ7DsgDCSr1Ka5dqoESPOHVOf8v5EROrQix77z+ Rdk7/ZlXEraKopD4IcEv0AD2iorPRI4JWKFFY0lj4guLPGj6z2i5bSspUegKc8dDz1 /xZtwNp0zEkSg== Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dash Pad Install Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net On 11/13/2013 12:36 PM, Larry Mayfield wrote: > Ok, so I have my old dash pad off, in a zillion pieces, cracked all > over the place. I see from both the metal onder it and frm th epieced > togethr old pad, tht it was glued down around the outer edge about an > 1 1/2 inchesd wide from one end to the other. And around the vent > openings. Contact cement of some sort was used but sparingly. Also > under the dash behind the front metal facia, it was glued down. I > seem to remember that there was a short discussion on gluing the pad > down. I am going to put the new pad on like the old one was on. Doc, Denis beat me with his response about drilling the four holes down where the toneau studs used to be. If you use a small drill (~#50) you can use a sharpened welding rod to push up from the bottom and puncture and accurately locate the holes that the new studs can be screwed into, after the pad is glued in place. Before you get to that, you could also drill the top sheet for riv-nuts and then use threaded studs in place of the OEM sheetmetal style. They come with longer studs and this makes them more permanent (as if 50 years wasn't permanent enough). I'd also advise using small diameter stainless flat washers between the bottom of the studs and the vinyl cover. They spread the depression at the studs and reduce the tendency to crack the vinyl when tightening the studs. The riv-nuts also hold these threaded studs in better alignment, and you don't have to tighten them as much. Centering the pad is typically done to split the material on either end at the windshield/seal mounting fins. You can "adjust" the vent holes and their mounting screw holes, and the center windshield hole with an Exact-o knife after the pad is placed. As delivered, you may find excess foam in the area that will be under the windshield frame. You'll want to remove this or you will be fighting it when you replace your windshield frame and seal. You will also need a decent heat gun to warm the vinyl at the ends and to wrap and bend it under the lip of the dash sheetmetal. I hope your dashboard is either removed or is at least dropped from it's normal location. If not, you'll be fighting with it to wrap and "place" the vinyl under the lip. I spend a lot of time "preparing" the dash-pad in a dry configuration, before gluing it down. It should pretty much drop into it's final location before your ready to glue it down. That's really the easy part. -- Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC www.tigerengineering.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 14 03:01:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E19964040A for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 03:01:58 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm42-vm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm42-vm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.114.204]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2AC5403D0 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 03:01:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from [66.196.81.172] by nm42.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2013 10:01:12 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.226] by tm18.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2013 10:01:12 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1035.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2013 10:01:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 23560 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Nov 2013 10:01:12 -0000 s=s1024; t=1384423272; bh=hT6aGMogKpiNpICpgVIyQXP1WE3FE2B+2kvM2g+dn5k=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Icka+OybYN0mUjq5FMVQ4zCcbK7uLMwugD4kl2TjAdJEFPNo4aOELzD7XVXaE/mfG5W2zbQxkbO3stuxOIauOH1BEp2DQKEF9KmUzNFaBGgnL/BPzhit/nyBvwAzqj4bwJAMjGuF1YuT9UMAYrCRNtezXi/reb1xs7df8AanCxs= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FRQqNsdITKstgUiwEsfBFhtzdJNIPS1dtc08Ec6Czbu+nF4iIQ1QhM20WdRk7m+JCQ2LaBEVN71T7zi6gz7gIl6PaNEWw2RIfxHYDKkUsjkIQG1Mx9JXspa04bzDDV1IFaEflo+9zg2miZtiba12KPwChaW+UgHg6Ig5zbT3ljc=; POGx4JGNWvhHMZYXXvrCpFDC6JSWI4BDtX17lTvMnmG_CW4hav1pmM9qVkOf V0hOL8.6il6z3kEQVlCET21Gh_nZBKeDv3wnj2V5b00jXBaKhfiy9f_E2ZxH 3x3_8X4AdoxTjEczaVeoPW2a15O2UuyU8yTzFrRihHhqrL5shtUmjPd13mES h84f2zOHoTeqz12OCCJOyjdDsEU8XW.rymQ9.LCgHTDtVXr04kW_O7r74dl9 HVZHJo7v9fItHaCw1ENIAsNO9R_g.Y0zgZlkMmUzui1D_05kbKdpVeWWF2Uv vL6b.fgAWSen_xECiooS2XC6bzGGODalMmqiLQKFk9ZBPP0OvaCqBq72ln65 YOc85mGVyB27OTZcguePpugFoelhJxlAWUWuxXyOP4u08.KkILVrPhoOnbfy bKMtsYEwfPKr8txOa_.GA7jppxxXLw_fzopXl8RXmrQ1wAgN0wAGScFUsZ3T e8u6IoeSvMYejKYnv7JChZzeSiEh0Z5ty6YjL2_M56aJyXu66Pgr1zQMpgfW RDV4pM0e7Zk4apm7afoZJ0uqmL89jlgVofqxPZwQxERSMbW8h9FEvr72TYDZ rk_WGhgzxq6mA7MgMp.pQcGIQ.SvQyV5TpmjbtMsZtbLBp49k_ypQuwyFwlQ yt81cjY4UtJ6E2ZkdGeIXep_U8jFxJFY- Received: from [108.175.242.46] by web162206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 02:01:12 PST SnVzdCBnZXR0aW5nIGJhY2sgb24gbGluZSwgc28gYXQgdGhlIGVuZCBvZiB0aGlzIHN1YmplY3QuTm90IHN1cmUgaWYgaXQgaGFzIGJlZW4gbWVudGlvbmVkIGJ1dCB0aGVyZSBpcyBhIG1ldGhvZCBvZiB1c2luZyBuZWVkbGVzIG9yIHN0aWNrIHBpbnMgdG8gbWFyayB0aGUgdG9ubmVhdSBjb3ZlciBwb3N0IGFuZCB0aGUgc2NyZXcgaG9sZXMgZm9yIHRoZSBkZWZyb3N0ZXIgdmVudHMtLS0tdGhlIHZlbnRzIG1heSBub3QgYmUgYSBwcm9ibGVtIGJ1dCBpbiB0aGUgcGFzdCBtYW55IGhhdmUgZm9yZ290dGVuIHQBMAEBAQE- References: <5283E2D0.6010009@mayfco.com> <52849788.1010803@comcast.net> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 02:01:12 -0800 (PST) From: Tony Lang To: Tom Hall , "drmayf@mayfco.com" , Tiger e-mail List Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dash Pad Install Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Just getting back on line, so at the end of this subject.Not sure if it has been mentioned but there is a method of using needles or stick pins to mark the tonneau cover post and the screw holes for the defroster vents----the vents may not be a problem but in the past many have forgotten the studs and used them to hold down the two outside defrost vents while they are actually in a place designed to each side and indivisual of the vents. Hope this is of help and understandable for 4 a.m. Tony Lang (TtT) On Thursday, November 14, 2013 3:28 AM, Tom Hall wrote: On 11/13/2013 12:36 PM, Larry Mayfield wrote: > Ok, so I have my old dash pad off, in a zillion pieces, cracked all > over the place. I see from both the metal onder it and frm th epieced > togethr old pad, tht it was glued down around the outer edge about an > 1 1/2 inchesd wide from one end to the other. And around the vent > openings. Contact cement of some sort was used but sparingly. Also > under the dash behind the front metal facia, it was glued down. I > seem to remember that there was a short discussion on gluing the pad > down. I am going to put the new pad on like the old one was on. Doc, Denis beat me with his response about drilling the four holes down where the toneau studs used to be. If you use a small drill (~#50) you can use a sharpened welding rod to push up from the bottom and puncture and accurately locate the holes that the new studs can be screwed into, after the pad is glued in place. Before you get to that, you could also drill the top sheet for riv-nuts and then use threaded studs in place of the OEM sheetmetal style. They come with longer studs and this makes them more permanent (as if 50 years wasn't permanent enough). I'd also advise using small diameter stainless flat washers between the bottom of the studs and the vinyl cover. They spread the depression at the studs and reduce the tendency to crack the vinyl when tightening the studs. The riv-nuts also hold these threaded studs in better alignment, and you don't have to tighten them as much. Centering the pad is typically done to split the material on either end at the windshield/seal mounting fins. You can "adjust" the vent holes and their mounting screw holes, and the center windshield hole with an Exact-o knife after the pad is placed. As delivered, you may find excess foam in the area that will be under the windshield frame. You'll want to remove this or you will be fighting it when you replace your windshield frame and seal. You will also need a decent heat gun to warm the vinyl at the ends and to wrap and bend it under the lip of the dash sheetmetal. I hope your dashboard is either removed or is at least dropped from it's normal location. If not, you'll be fighting with it to wrap and "place" the vinyl under the lip. I spend a lot of time "preparing" the dash-pad in a dry configuration, before gluing it down. It should pretty much drop into it's final location before your ready to glue it down. That's really the easy part. -- Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC www.tigerengineering.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 15 13:22:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4820542820 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 13:22:38 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm35.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm35.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.28]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90D7A40453 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 13:15:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] by nm35.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2013 20:15:05 -0000 Received: from [98.138.100.103] by nm35.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2013 20:12:12 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.151] by tm102.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2013 20:12:12 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.238] by tm8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2013 20:12:12 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1047.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2013 20:12:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 73808 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Nov 2013 20:12:12 -0000 s=s1024; t=1384546332; bh=Nvy0eNj7LFE/UekhdrQG3ih/Tzi3XSyQfezCbOR1UyI=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Z/2c60NcUpYvnCJmfraV1cYMvGS6jNOLkOFC0zkn2kjCqZGphb4QRc7zv+74HYZDUZ9BFlt3CkGhu/aeNV2RVh9hpPQvuqrl26tecvbqU4xjELyHb9QqgQsX9MlAYKchhhJLPLWBw0QQkQbdO5vVYaiKrlbQvOPTJlaWAr7MY8U= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=aZk2vgA0lGKehywmh0l/O96tJHKih0ovgYlXtyoCSYdaw3jQLgpV5YUznTTsZBf+RPib8dWK1C3iKSpGl54BAd4DdMY6a5NNHYzrikDWOGbX6AMQO86vdyzKcn4qCV6DmCyacgz9hwty9m8AWGyX61ilw7XN7FKppH3Wte6bRGk=; mr4lEBKOM2WETMI9Ch0Ply5RecLJm.yhPXsHMWP2RMrGb_VVs6tfVDqzZzQE y5M21dINAgMsNSRIXfM7woC0CykcHxiWFhTiiNG7MlJM7oz_0FQcIGaNhDJM UVfmf0PDn20OteFGSrFAr2.3EbuYjaKb6wdIKP8oLwe0RY9t5YrJLG42VhXv dnkD63ZivAY2JbIe4eEx1ZSQhEgQ1o2bRyV9UTligf1EIoaJtO1QDdYQNBMe qNBCep1kfK2zo9DgMd5TJSW5BqzhzWuojTdj9i2jn4jUOX9iNQnsFU50b6F_ iQXiNN1RUOt21guqM5Y01HSxCW6gkhmFDD1NGwo4ZwXTnT5CCQmArEq2g7WB Ehv4Qd0dq7wvZGAmBi7ocOld7dbjdzlGqABZf6P2W0g.2MxmTdE7qw3qC40w XOdXiX9lGNUSStQCgNzrOUdJjqT49a17BnSm3AtX6.r_4vhUXCAsBqkC2Vde GjZVePHjFzKAmzP.Y7IyXlgKiKRDwLe1uPA_ax0uweitdbOaMEOt3wguEA4D 2N_jaYw-- Received: from [173.48.171.26] by web161006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 12:12:11 PST CgpCZWNhdXNlIFJpY2sgTWNMZW9kIGF0IFN1bmJlYW0gU3BlY2lhbHRpZXMgc2VsbHMgdGhlIG5ldyBwYWRzLCAKd2hhdCBkb2VzIGhlIHN1Z2dlc3QgYXMgYSBnZW5lcmFsIHJ1bGUgdG8gdXNlIGZvciB0aGUgbmV3IHBhZD8gQWxzbywgZm9yCiB0aGUgcGVyc29uIHdobydzIGluc3RhbGxpbmcgdGhlIG5ldyBwYWQsIHBheSBhdHRlbnRpb24gdG8gdGhlIHR3byBvdXRlcgogYWx1bWludW0vdmlueWwtdHJpbW1lZCBwaWVjZXMgYW5kIGxvbmcgY2VudGVyIGNhcmRib2FyZCBwaWVjZSB0aGF0IAphZmZpeGVzIHQBMAEBAQE- Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 12:12:11 -0800 (PST) From: snakebit289 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] adhesive for dash pads Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Because Rick McLeod at Sunbeam Specialties sells the new pads, what does he suggest as a general rule to use for the new pad? Also, for the person who's installing the new pad, pay attention to the two outer aluminum/vinyl-trimmed pieces and long center cardboard piece that affixes the lower edge of the pad just above the wood instrument panel. They were originally attached with rivets, and you may want to pre-locate the rivet holes for the new pad in order to use the same holes with your new rivets. Rande Bellman _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 15 13:43:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 050EA42F06 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 13:43:07 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ve0-f170.google.com (mail-ve0-f170.google.com [209.85.128.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 144F742A31 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 13:38:37 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ve0-f170.google.com with SMTP id db12so3371433veb.15 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 12:37:51 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=wl97LmEOTZg9Kb8PlfMra2CPygfCgNcBYx4MLYkC8pU=; b=G/IYgvC0wKUjMpart+CiqMlOWVbMkNL5vgmazMQbvG9NJx6/wTgzJnW16ESH245nNG GjjWdkPSz5Jc7dS9p5Qj159EQZlr3e2YkI6aswIvE60S/17ZiSKmSwPotGyx98sUbivR BoIHd1BUBP7ZQgr8gFKj/x7rb9eu9dswzhNT9byKv1PxLKDn0PxO1ubJBB8cCyUf7jmu yx+4AoM8YlfXVwWIWZVGJ4UwiPUkm0b1xqS1l1mi0pGiE7DvXVVa1lqTqD6soe/LgQkF KYPhG/wkHvKCmptGMyytblSlg31rzBYk5lK05wYauNj89a73cfJmLjZvPvpGoLpFwSQl EsMg== sd20mr36715veb.94.1384547408570; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 12:30:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.218.140 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 12:30:08 -0800 (PST) References: <1384546331.73662.YahooMailNeo@web161006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 12:30:08 -0800 From: Jay Laifman To: snakebit289 Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] adhesive for dash pads Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I did this about 15 years ago with a cover from Rick. I did cut the foam out under the windshield. I mounted it first to compress the foam to find where to cut. I had to cut further in than my compression markings because the rubber still interferred. Also, I recall it was tricking at the two outer edges where the edge of the metal lip went up and had to go through the cover. I cut it out there. I wonder though if someone has a more elegant solution. I did what Rick said to do in those days: put the contact cement on both sides, lay wax paper in between, lay it down and pull out the wax paper. I will say though that it was NOT easy. The wax paper stuck just from the pressure and friction. It then ripped. This caused a lot of frustration. I note that in an older post, someone mentioned dowels. That seems like it would help. I don't recall. But at this point I would suggest not putting contact cement on the verticle face of the dash board - and only glue the top face. Or, at least put a non-instantaneous stick glue at the front. But, I don't think I did that. I think the problem was that perhaps parts of the forward edge might have stuck before I could get the rear edge down where it was supposed to be. Maybe I'd suggest just glueing towards that last few inches of the forward edge and let the rear edge simply be held down by the wrap of the material down and around the rear edge (near the dash) where the flat board held it up - with the riviets that Rande mentions. Also, someone mentioned that some people put tonneau snaps in the holes for the screws on the defroster vents. I do believe that is in fact how it came from the factory in some years. Those might have been pre-Tiger, Alpine only years. But there were definitely cars that way that were not just accidents by the owners. Jay On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 12:12 PM, snakebit289 wrote: > Because Rick McLeod at Sunbeam Specialties sells the new pads, > what does he suggest as a general rule to use for the new pad? Also, for > the person who's installing the new pad, pay attention to the two outer > aluminum/vinyl-trimmed pieces and long center cardboard piece that > affixes the lower edge of the pad just above the wood instrument panel. > They were originally attached with rivets, and you may want to > pre-locate the rivet holes for the new pad in order to use the same > holes with your new rivets. > > Rande Bellman > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 15 17:02:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79EB840551 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 17:02:10 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-35.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 377E4403FB for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 17:01:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004961.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id rAG01Naa004465 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 16:01:32 -0800 Received: by dm0219.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 43ca9d92) id dm0219.52831103.5d6b0 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 15:59:06 -0800 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 15:59:00 -0800 From: Larry Mayfield Organization: Mayfield Motorsport User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.14,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-11-15_07:2013-11-15,2013-11-15,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1311150195 Subject: [Tigers] More Silly Refurb Questions ... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Ok, so now the pad is glued on. Today I removed the dash panel becaus eit is 49 years old and looks it. Back side is flaking off badly. Front side is cracked and chipping badly. SO I am going to order a new one. I, just for chuckles, surfed ebay and found 11 of them. I looked at each and every one of them and no tone was for a MK 1. So I have to find the right one somewhere. I know all the usual spots to look. But in that process, I need to replace the gage to dash small teeny orings that go between teh bezel of the gage and the glass for the tach, speedo, fuel, oil and water gages. If one among you has the right dash numbers and part numbers I will get those ordered from McMaster Carr or one who supports LBCs this week end. Any ideas? Also, I had long long ago, installed an ammeter and I nver liked that Idea becaus ethe juice to-ing and froing the batter/generator was going though that sire. A short could have been bad indeed. So I have removed that but now want to install a simple volt meter. Is there a donor car somewhere that I might select one from and buy? Triumphs? MG? Jag, Something that looks kinda like it belongs... Or even suggest sources I might look at on the web... I'd appreciate it... larry -- ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 15 17:14:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0AAA429B9 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 17:14:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vc0-f182.google.com (mail-vc0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9BD940453 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 17:13:04 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-vc0-f182.google.com with SMTP id ie18so2208098vcb.41 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 16:12:18 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=QZjGFcUC77f3uny8NHNoBM4FPI0G4WSP6mqkkcHhPi4=; b=rIBA11XJPadqmvB+btTfdJeQBpza0F7SYwAvms7inkEhwa7XnLLzonhvR/oMuE5KVo +kbSejWlicYFtSuNNpnQIFOMm7pdiWTp0ziiTaS//5HTE/p1pb1OMyVskN3p7QtUyY9p Dw47fE4KkcSWgmILHy7Lhh8AVfrNeEgxsUb0lSN2iIi82as2jijVFxxqHtNhrY5j3Ooy ErP0d6nnxoVULbNSoAj9OXAQQw01QvESzxutpV1BvPfXVnVaBO18bSTZxfUPFnv0MFnk msQbF1DP+hnWKkxxL85TdLlE6/fDFI+/qOjUj8ig/aEIKqjrx9GYJzqkhuZ2b6z5JfEz wWfA== Fri, 15 Nov 2013 16:12:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.218.140 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 16:12:18 -0800 (PST) References: <5286B544.5050709@mayfco.com> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 16:12:18 -0800 From: Jay Laifman To: drmayf Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] More Silly Refurb Questions ... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Smiths offers/offered a generally similar one. On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Larry Mayfield wrote: > Ok, so now the pad is glued on. Today I removed the dash panel becaus eit > is 49 years old and looks it. Back side is flaking off badly. Front side is > cracked and chipping badly. SO I am going to order a new one. I, just for > chuckles, surfed ebay and found 11 of them. I looked at each and every one > of them and no tone was for a MK 1. So I have to find the right one > somewhere. I know all the usual spots to look. But in that process, I > need to replace the gage to dash small teeny orings that go between teh > bezel of the gage and the glass for the tach, speedo, fuel, oil and water > gages. If one among you has the right dash numbers and part numbers I will > get those ordered from McMaster Carr or one who supports LBCs this week > end. Any ideas? Also, I had long long ago, installed an ammeter and I > nver liked that Idea becaus ethe juice to-ing and froing the > batter/generator was going though that sire. A short could have been bad > indeed. So I have removed that but now want to install a simple volt meter. > Is there a donor car somewhere that I might select one from and buy? > Triumphs? MG? Jag, Something that looks kinda like it belongs... Or even > suggest sources I might look at on the web... > > I'd appreciate it... > > larry > > -- > ______________________________ > drmayf > Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. > 204.913 mph flying mile > 210.779 mph exit speed > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@ > gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 15 17:29:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85E064285B for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 17:29:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa08-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.110]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5523B40453 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 17:17:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.0.105] ([216.222.140.182]) by p3plsmtpa08-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id q0GF1m0073wK5wg010GGyJ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 17:16:18 -0700 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 19:16:06 -0500 From: Chris Thompson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 To: Tigers Den References: <1370351727.13839.YahooMailClassic@web164702.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gauge Bezels\glass & O Rings Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net On 6/4/2013 10:05 AM, Paul R. Breuhan wrote: > You get get them from... > Auto Electric Spares (http://www.autoelectricalspares.co.uk) and > MJC Products (http://www.classicbezels.com/)...both in the U.K. > > Also both sell on ebay...which is the best way to deal with them. > AES is username "djmalm1" and MJC is username "mjcprod" > > MJC has a kit (bezel, glass, o-ring and nuts)...see auction #310352405950 > > I just bought some from MJC last week. > > For a general search you need to use "Smiths" or "Jeager" and read the auction > description carefully to get the full V bezels. > > Good Luck, > Paul > > > > > > >> Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 06:15:27 -0700 >> From: jmartiniii@yahoo.com >> To: Tigers@autox.team.net >> Subject: [Tigers] Gauge Bezels\glass & O Rings >> >> Does anyone have a source to secure the correct 'v' style, I believe they > are >> called, Tiger gauge bezels, glass and O rings for the face of our gauges? > I >> would like to pretty up the gauge faces. They are currently fitted to old >> plastic Alpine dash without glove box side to see if they work and complete >> install of new wiring harness. Costs are getting out of hand and will only >> send the ones that do not work, out for repair. >> >> Was there a O ring on the back of the guage to protect the wood dash when >> fitted? >> >> Regards >> Joel Martin >> _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 15 19:17:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2D7F42F16 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 19:17:59 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.243]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C1F14285B for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 19:16:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta21.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.72]) by qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id q1ts1m0061ZXKqc5D2Fsw0; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 02:15:52 +0000 Received: from sbrennanPC ([98.229.210.30]) by omta21.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id q2Fs1m00H0fu9Ni3h2FsZg; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 02:15:52 +0000 From: "Stu Brennan" To: "drmayf" References: <5286B544.5050709@mayfco.com> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 21:15:47 -0500 s=q20121106; t=1384568152; bh=TTf1gvtl78kyrP0lEVTv3o3H12B64Y1f3KGelC95N6E=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=r3hLiiV7TV+d4eFbqF3G/xelcpGDV0JDtTBWuycCXjo5LqyIPYheY8c27e0QOHfjF bIPqgrWPGGXAk9OUQMKp8rI2BKh0m+9izuM3+8aKh0bT6mehW+Xu2tRmQZ9Y5B7Xmr VKZ/fo2Yo7pmBUACXMvvkDhwAfbrbSFyydNvYziYy3pDkujS3LpmtJVA7erFf9yO6F wkmi+N3G3mIRCoS3r93Kt869jeNkTLzBHWufZEogsqgzWjxuhHxnIClK1b33WbragV MtV3yhs81N0kmzfCQJAf2kNz9Iaeto2PNTkHuUKYn0PNuXuF9pa2OXrCpC9QJ6tQy+ nspPSSwOrYBow== Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] More Silly Refurb Questions ... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Agree on the Smiths voltmeter. Except for the name, you would think it belongs. IIRC, I had to paint the pointer orange to match... Or maybe it was the ammeter I painted orange. I have both, the ammeter in the usual place, and the voltmeter in place of the clock. Why, yes, I am an EE. Stu -----Original Message----- From: Jay Laifman Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 7:12 PM To: drmayf Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] More Silly Refurb Questions ... Smiths offers/offered a generally similar one. On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Larry Mayfield wrote: > Ok, so now the pad is glued on. Today I removed the dash panel becaus eit > is 49 years old and looks it. Back side is flaking off badly. Front side > is > cracked and chipping badly. SO I am going to order a new one. I, just for > chuckles, surfed ebay and found 11 of them. I looked at each and every > one > of them and no tone was for a MK 1. So I have to find the right one > somewhere. I know all the usual spots to look. But in that process, I > need to replace the gage to dash small teeny orings that go between teh > bezel of the gage and the glass for the tach, speedo, fuel, oil and water > gages. If one among you has the right dash numbers and part numbers I will > get those ordered from McMaster Carr or one who supports LBCs this week > end. Any ideas? Also, I had long long ago, installed an ammeter and I > nver liked that Idea becaus ethe juice to-ing and froing the > batter/generator was going though that sire. A short could have been bad > indeed. So I have removed that but now want to install a simple volt > meter. > Is there a donor car somewhere that I might select one from and buy? > Triumphs? MG? Jag, Something that looks kinda like it belongs... Or even > suggest sources I might look at on the web... > > I'd appreciate it... > > larry > > -- > ______________________________ > drmayf > Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. > 204.913 mph flying mile > 210.779 mph exit speed > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@ > gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/stubrennan@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 15 19:27:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2E0F429B9 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 19:27:21 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.17]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B41B4287E for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 19:21:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta24.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.76]) by qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id q1uR1m0051ei1Bg5A2LFP5; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 02:20:15 +0000 Received: from sbrennanPC ([98.229.210.30]) by omta24.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id q2LF1m00P0fu9Ni3k2LFpw; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 02:20:15 +0000 From: "Stu Brennan" To: "drmayf" References: <5286B544.5050709@mayfco.com> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 21:20:19 -0500 s=q20121106; t=1384568415; bh=XJEeNF12FdA1BvTA1wS7OJrLwyuMx9bsWuYgQzh3LX8=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=bW7V2gjIsTvQDlGTy7+Axc7PAlIOnuzfGhZKoEKeA3da7keyH9wuD5q/IPeORB1Ys 52S7mamvoP+ihsHaiNnOO9femrQ0TcKWOfMgngCVilCOyPoLwXyyvnQlgOBKkG1Wcp KN/A0VXZyCVWMVNcOYzTSY9Rxf2IYgHRJFf037+wxkShwfWesracQSFXwluaXBCuL1 I2FxzuCZog18sH6PlSI/514Xnk4r74Wz9UB9cqFeLWSX+IlOo/ynwcJoKAKWJo5XhO +hqrz8GS8kauW9uRpRMSBO0cyJIjEHCqRfUiNyvZKrXn3n+vE31A3eJajtXklVd7cx dhGsH3AJZZtFA== Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] More Silly Refurb Questions ... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net More info... My voltmeter came out of Triumph product, a Spitfire, IIRC. Never saw the car, it was a phone deal from a stripper yard a couple states away. Many years back. Stu -----Original Message----- From: Jay Laifman Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 7:12 PM To: drmayf Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] More Silly Refurb Questions ... Smiths offers/offered a generally similar one. On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Larry Mayfield wrote: > Ok, so now the pad is glued on. Today I removed the dash panel becaus eit > is 49 years old and looks it. Back side is flaking off badly. Front side > is > cracked and chipping badly. SO I am going to order a new one. I, just for > chuckles, surfed ebay and found 11 of them. I looked at each and every > one > of them and no tone was for a MK 1. So I have to find the right one > somewhere. I know all the usual spots to look. But in that process, I > need to replace the gage to dash small teeny orings that go between teh > bezel of the gage and the glass for the tach, speedo, fuel, oil and water > gages. If one among you has the right dash numbers and part numbers I will > get those ordered from McMaster Carr or one who supports LBCs this week > end. Any ideas? Also, I had long long ago, installed an ammeter and I > nver liked that Idea becaus ethe juice to-ing and froing the > batter/generator was going though that sire. A short could have been bad > indeed. So I have removed that but now want to install a simple volt > meter. > Is there a donor car somewhere that I might select one from and buy? > Triumphs? MG? Jag, Something that looks kinda like it belongs... Or even > suggest sources I might look at on the web... > > I'd appreciate it... > > larry > > -- > ______________________________ > drmayf > Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. > 204.913 mph flying mile > 210.779 mph exit speed > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@ > gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/stubrennan@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 15 20:34:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0518E42B12 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 20:34:48 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f54.google.com (mail-oa0-f54.google.com [209.85.219.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC8C54285B for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 20:34:11 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oa0-f54.google.com with SMTP id o6so4955795oag.27 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 19:33:25 -0800 (PST) h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:thread-index :content-language; bh=KUh9jp+IWJD18pbZSsTkos7N1xX9MYTHRfQD0GYYdKk=; b=pLm+2ILMnb9IEWSz8+j+k2lwr393xmM5qP1fogL7uvIe2TEDCPreZbiiN3jc46MQyW 6Z+Sy3p5Gc693D4yGJv5c8s1oORsvve6iyz+u1XHqkWbz0wJcWzAGOK+KtLLv3DL28Gw zekYBLtNcJzMqn4aGPhL7BoEqtjcWey9hKC+enyZI7HIMWL2v1iix6V0dFgQY/OaPAdq 1tq4tmpuXlJaeMxVJ2aOa/w2CCfgeUpdnsl/aZUSlMe0fzGKfBHdZVpfNGxpSxPXsSaG kFjma2ldwCqxnFTmSjVT41vTXO/Y5nEzJbqx9wRdhFe7bqYkrolXUHT8af0kZSo6JiFM QNag== dx4mr3666052oeb.99.1384572805123; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 19:33:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from OFFICEPC (75-32-205-182.lightspeed.ftwotx.sbcglobal.net. [75.32.205.182]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id jz7sm10051005oeb.4.2013.11.15.19.33.23 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 15 Nov 2013 19:33:24 -0800 (PST) From: "Joe Brown" To: , "'Tigers Den'" References: <1370351727.13839.YahooMailClassic@web164702.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5286B946.50300@cthompson.net> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 21:34:06 -0600 Thread-Index: AQHjHuuo7YveIF4AgBYlrhs3YwFhPgDu4TbBAVHBf8+Z7LV0UA== Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gauge Bezels\glass & O Rings Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net You can also get the parts you need from Barrie Robinson or Peter Bayer Thanks, Joe Brown Arlington, TX B382000217 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chris Thompson Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 6:16 PM To: Tigers Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gauge Bezels\glass & O Rings On 6/4/2013 10:05 AM, Paul R. Breuhan wrote: > You get get them from... > Auto Electric Spares (http://www.autoelectricalspares.co.uk) and MJC > Products (http://www.classicbezels.com/)...both in the U.K. > > Also both sell on ebay...which is the best way to deal with them. > AES is username "djmalm1" and MJC is username "mjcprod" > > MJC has a kit (bezel, glass, o-ring and nuts)...see auction > #310352405950 > > I just bought some from MJC last week. > > For a general search you need to use "Smiths" or "Jeager" and read the > auction description carefully to get the full V bezels. > > Good Luck, > Paul > > > > > > >> Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 06:15:27 -0700 >> From: jmartiniii@yahoo.com >> To: Tigers@autox.team.net >> Subject: [Tigers] Gauge Bezels\glass & O Rings >> >> Does anyone have a source to secure the correct 'v' style, I believe >> they > are >> called, Tiger gauge bezels, glass and O rings for the face of our gauges? > I >> would like to pretty up the gauge faces. They are currently fitted >> to old plastic Alpine dash without glove box side to see if they work >> and complete install of new wiring harness. Costs are getting out of >> hand and will only send the ones that do not work, out for repair. >> >> Was there a O ring on the back of the guage to protect the wood dash >> when fitted? >> >> Regards >> Joel Martin >> _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jbbrown1980@gmail.com ----- No virus found in this message. 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[75.32.205.182]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id f2sm10080884oes.3.2013.11.15.19.38.33 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 15 Nov 2013 19:38:34 -0800 (PST) From: "Joe Brown" To: , "'Tigers Den'" References: <1370351727.13839.YahooMailClassic@web164702.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5286B946.50300@cthompson.net> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 21:39:16 -0600 Thread-Index: AQHjHuuo7YveIF4AgBYlrhs3YwFhPgDu4TbBAVHBf8+Z7LV0UIAAAckg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gauge Bezels\glass & O Rings Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I should have included web sites. For Barrie look at http://www.britcot.com/O-ring%20Price%20list.htm and for Peter look at http://www.nisonger.com/about.htm. -----Original Message----- From: Joe Brown [mailto:jbbrown1980@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 9:34 PM To: 'chris@cthompson.net'; 'Tigers Den' Subject: RE: [Tigers] Gauge Bezels\glass & O Rings You can also get the parts you need from Barrie Robinson or Peter Bayer Thanks, Joe Brown Arlington, TX B382000217 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chris Thompson Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 6:16 PM To: Tigers Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gauge Bezels\glass & O Rings On 6/4/2013 10:05 AM, Paul R. Breuhan wrote: > You get get them from... > Auto Electric Spares (http://www.autoelectricalspares.co.uk) and MJC > Products (http://www.classicbezels.com/)...both in the U.K. > > Also both sell on ebay...which is the best way to deal with them. > AES is username "djmalm1" and MJC is username "mjcprod" > > MJC has a kit (bezel, glass, o-ring and nuts)...see auction > #310352405950 > > I just bought some from MJC last week. > > For a general search you need to use "Smiths" or "Jeager" and read the > auction description carefully to get the full V bezels. > > Good Luck, > Paul > > > > > > >> Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 06:15:27 -0700 >> From: jmartiniii@yahoo.com >> To: Tigers@autox.team.net >> Subject: [Tigers] Gauge Bezels\glass & O Rings >> >> Does anyone have a source to secure the correct 'v' style, I believe >> they > are >> called, Tiger gauge bezels, glass and O rings for the face of our gauges? > I >> would like to pretty up the gauge faces. They are currently fitted >> to old plastic Alpine dash without glove box side to see if they work >> and complete install of new wiring harness. Costs are getting out of >> hand and will only send the ones that do not work, out for repair. >> >> Was there a O ring on the back of the guage to protect the wood dash >> when fitted? >> >> Regards >> Joel Martin >> _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jbbrown1980@gmail.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3629/6839 - Release Date: 11/15/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 15 20:45:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D07224295A for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 20:45:21 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc1-s14.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s14.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.25]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41B494287E for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 20:43:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from BAY172-W29 ([65.54.190.59]) by bay0-omc1-s14.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 15 Nov 2013 19:42:58 -0800 From: "Paul R. Breuhan" To: Stu Brennan , drmayf Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 22:42:57 -0500 References: <5286B544.5050709@mayfco.com>, , <1CC25F63F1F44C9C8E880AF1FE5D6223@sbrennanPC> FILETIME=[F0E3BF90:01CEE27D] Cc: Tigers Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] More Silly Refurb Questions ... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I got a couple matching voltmeters sitting on my fireplace mantel...why put in a non-matching retread of a gauge?Voltmeter sample:http://www.breuhan.com/sunbeam/VOLTMETER.jpgAnd I still have one refaced Jaeger matching amp gauge...http://www.breuhan.com/sunbeam/oldnewamps.jpg(compare the original Lucas gauge on the left to the redone one on the right)Recently I did some late style (Series 5 Alpine/Mk2 Tiger) gauge/heater panel/dash tag work for a nice Norwegian fellow matching his aftermarket speedo and tachometer.http://www.breuhan.com/sunbeam/BirgerGauges.jpg Shoot me an email if interested in any details. Also there are several sources out there for o-rings, glass and chrome bezels.Paul > From: stubrennan@comcast.net > To: drmayf@mayfco.com > Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 21:15:47 -0500 > CC: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] More Silly Refurb Questions ... > > Agree on the Smiths voltmeter. Except for the name, you would think it > belongs. IIRC, I had to paint the pointer orange to match... Or maybe it > was the ammeter I painted orange. I have both, the ammeter in the usual > place, and the voltmeter in place of the clock. Why, yes, I am an EE. > > Stu > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jay Laifman > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 7:12 PM > To: drmayf > Cc: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] More Silly Refurb Questions ... > > Smiths offers/offered a generally similar one. > > > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Larry Mayfield wrote: > > > Ok, so now the pad is glued on. Today I removed the dash panel becaus eit > > is 49 years old and looks it. Back side is flaking off badly. Front side > > is > > cracked and chipping badly. SO I am going to order a new one. I, just for > > chuckles, surfed ebay and found 11 of them. I looked at each and every > > one > > of them and no tone was for a MK 1. So I have to find the right one > > somewhere. I know all the usual spots to look. But in that process, I > > need to replace the gage to dash small teeny orings that go between teh > > bezel of the gage and the glass for the tach, speedo, fuel, oil and water > > gages. If one among you has the right dash numbers and part numbers I will > > get those ordered from McMaster Carr or one who supports LBCs this week > > end. Any ideas? Also, I had long long ago, installed an ammeter and I > > nver liked that Idea becaus ethe juice to-ing and froing the > > batter/generator was going though that sire. A short could have been bad > > indeed. So I have removed that but now want to install a simple volt > > meter. > > Is there a donor car somewhere that I might select one from and buy? > > Triumphs? MG? Jag, Something that looks kinda like it belongs... Or even > > suggest sources I might look at on the web... > > > > I'd appreciate it... > > > > larry _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 15 20:47:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8211F42A31 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 20:47:51 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc1-s26.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s26.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F59A4287E for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 20:47:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from BAY172-W29 ([65.54.190.59]) by bay0-omc1-s26.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 15 Nov 2013 19:46:59 -0800 From: "Paul R. Breuhan" To: Stu Brennan , drmayf Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 22:46:59 -0500 References: <5286B544.5050709@mayfco.com>, , , , <1CC25F63F1F44C9C8E880AF1FE5D6223@sbrennanPC>, FILETIME=[810C80C0:01CEE27E] Cc: Tigers Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] More Silly Refurb Questions...working link Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net gotta love this hotmail/email stuff working link to the voltmeter http://www.breuhan.com/sunbeam/VOLTMETER.jpg > From: prbreuhan@hotmail.com > To: stubrennan@comcast.net; drmayf@mayfco.com > Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 22:42:57 -0500 > CC: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] More Silly Refurb Questions ... > > I got a couple matching voltmeters sitting on my fireplace mantel...why put in > a non-matching retread of a gauge?Voltmeter > sample:http://www.breuhan.com/sunbeam/VOLTMETER.jpgAnd I still have one > refaced Jaeger matching amp > gauge...http://www.breuhan.com/sunbeam/oldnewamps.jpg(compare the original > Lucas gauge on the left to the redone one on the right)Recently I did some > late style (Series 5 Alpine/Mk2 Tiger) gauge/heater panel/dash tag work for a > nice Norwegian fellow matching his aftermarket speedo and > tachometer.http://www.breuhan.com/sunbeam/BirgerGauges.jpg > Shoot me an email if interested in any details. > Also there are several sources out there for o-rings, glass and chrome > bezels.Paul > > > From: stubrennan@comcast.net > > To: drmayf@mayfco.com > > Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 21:15:47 -0500 > > CC: tigers@autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] More Silly Refurb Questions ... > > > > Agree on the Smiths voltmeter. Except for the name, you would think it > > belongs. IIRC, I had to paint the pointer orange to match... Or maybe it > > was the ammeter I painted orange. I have both, the ammeter in the usual > > place, and the voltmeter in place of the clock. Why, yes, I am an EE. > > > > Stu > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jay Laifman > > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 7:12 PM > > To: drmayf > > Cc: tigers@autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] More Silly Refurb Questions ... > > > > Smiths offers/offered a generally similar one. > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Larry Mayfield wrote: > > > > > Ok, so now the pad is glued on. Today I removed the dash panel becaus > eit > > > is 49 years old and looks it. Back side is flaking off badly. Front side > > > is > > > cracked and chipping badly. SO I am going to order a new one. I, just for > > > chuckles, surfed ebay and found 11 of them. I looked at each and every > > > one > > > of them and no tone was for a MK 1. So I have to find the right one > > > somewhere. I know all the usual spots to look. But in that process, I > > > need to replace the gage to dash small teeny orings that go between teh > > > bezel of the gage and the glass for the tach, speedo, fuel, oil and water > > > gages. If one among you has the right dash numbers and part numbers I > will > > > get those ordered from McMaster Carr or one who supports LBCs this week > > > end. Any ideas? Also, I had long long ago, installed an ammeter and I > > > nver liked that Idea becaus ethe juice to-ing and froing the > > > batter/generator was going though that sire. A short could have been bad > > > indeed. So I have removed that but now want to install a simple volt > > > meter. > > > Is there a donor car somewhere that I might select one from and buy? > > > Triumphs? MG? Jag, Something that looks kinda like it belongs... Or even > > > suggest sources I might look at on the web... > > > > > > I'd appreciate it... > > > > > > larry _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 15 20:59:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 975ED42EEF for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 20:59:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from col0-omc3-s14.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc3-s14.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.152]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C35B54287E for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 20:51:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from COL127-W27 ([65.55.34.136]) by col0-omc3-s14.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 15 Nov 2013 19:51:14 -0800 From: steve wick To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 19:51:13 -0800 FILETIME=[189CB450:01CEE27F] Subject: [Tigers] Hagerty story Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hopefully this link works. It's from Hagerty about a train that also transports cars with the owners, and uses a Tiger in their ads. Though you'd like it. http://www.hagerty.com/classic-car-articles-resources/Features/News/All-Artic les/2013/11/07/Ride-the-Rails?utm_source=ExactTarget&utm_medium=email&utm_ter m=&utm_content=&utm_campaign=Hagerty%20Weekly%20News%2011-13-2013 Steve _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 15 21:50:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 596B342A55 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 21:50:15 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f48.google.com (mail-oa0-f48.google.com [209.85.219.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AED74281C for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 21:49:56 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oa0-f48.google.com with SMTP id n16so4847485oag.7 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 20:49:09 -0800 (PST) h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:thread-index :content-language; bh=PsxK97sQAxKuGETsC5+8IM8paFnNX5wqqNBm9hlKpvU=; b=gsorRSm58t2MywKN3GKrGsIt/AhnisLv37ErOeZpG4drZTvLmtKXX+ahMoSc3DBYXA xtjJ00uwvi+3X4iPE3um7O5NtjccaXsX9/kc9WEcMyRxE+FGKHOHWw044ziJqPXCO5D6 rpNLNqdVUdD2hfl8uVsTKnCM2THlHlB0cD9xzWX+wRhafZtcmYUykcZEODNYNVnBYaAQ AxncN3oGo4YW2+dbFaM2BW1buiXLQWW+u6/VHCO7ZIU8FV+e9CjXkrqsmME8+Db7socq SFQdEm/JNCtW3yHe0lESDFZUhLjnVOKF1CgCHGRsrD0dWwt9e1y/P7GdJiK6rD45sOih cJOw== ii3mr10253953obc.11.1384577349336; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 20:49:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from OFFICEPC (75-32-205-182.lightspeed.ftwotx.sbcglobal.net. [75.32.205.182]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id r3sm10497647oep.2.2013.11.15.20.49.08 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 15 Nov 2013 20:49:08 -0800 (PST) From: "Joe Brown" To: "'steve wick'" , References: Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 22:49:53 -0600 Thread-Index: AQJsH1YlJIIY25gPht36j/nQQRXG75jsz8eQ Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hagerty story Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net You can buy the posters for $10 directly from Amtrak at http://store.amtrak.com/ProductDetail.aspx?did=5551&pid=61295 Thanks, Joe Brown Arlington, TX B382000217 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of steve wick Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 9:51 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Hagerty story Hopefully this link works. It's from Hagerty about a train that also transports cars with the owners, and uses a Tiger in their ads. Though you'd like it. http://www.hagerty.com/classic-car-articles-resources/Features/News/All-Arti c les/2013/11/07/Ride-the-Rails?utm_source=ExactTarget&utm_medium=email&utm_te r m=&utm_content=&utm_campaign=Hagerty%20Weekly%20News%2011-13-2013 Steve _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jbbrown1980@gmail.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3629/6839 - Release Date: 11/15/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 15 23:28:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DC4142EFB for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 23:28:48 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C4F24295A for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 23:24:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (omta003.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id rAG0hSw8009449 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 16:43:28 -0800 Received: by dm0224.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 43ca9d92) id dm0224.528310f8.5d998 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 16:43:27 -0800 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 16:43:20 -0800 From: Larry Mayfield Organization: Mayfield Motorsport User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" References: <5286B544.5050709@mayfco.com> engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.14,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-11-15_07:2013-11-15,2013-11-15,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1311150206 Subject: Re: [Tigers] More Silly Refurb Questions ... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I need to spell check, lol... corrected spelling and ramblings, lol.... mayf ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed On 11/15/2013 3:59 PM, Larry Mayfield wrote: > Ok, so now the pad is glued on. Today I removed the dash panel > becaus it is 49 years old and looks it. Back side is flaking off > badly. Front side is cracked and chipping badly. So, I am going to > order a new one. I, just for chuckles, surfed ebay and found 11 of > them. I looked at each and every one of them and not one was for a MK > 1. So I have to find the right one somewhere. I know all the usual > spots to look. But in that process, I need to replace the gage to > dash small teeny o-rings that go between the gage and thedash wood > for the tach, speedo, fuel, oil and water gages. If one among you has > the right dash numbers and part numbers I will get those ordered from > McMaster Carr or one who supports LBCs this week end. Any ideas? > Also, I had long long ago, installed an ammeter and I never liked that > idea because the juice to-ing and fro-ing the batter/generator was > going though that wire. A short could have been bad indeed. So I have > removed that, but now want to install a simple volt meter. Is there a > donor car brand/model that I might select one from and buy? > Triumphs? MG? Jag, Something that looks kinda like it belongs... Or > even suggest sources I might look at on the web... > > I'd appreciate it... > > larry _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 16 06:24:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC0F042F0E for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 06:24:58 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AA8C42B1A for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 06:18:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.36]) by qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id qCgC1m0010mv7h053DHKob; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 13:17:19 +0000 Received: from sbrennanPC ([98.229.210.30]) by omta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id qDHK1m0040fu9Ni3XDHKth; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 13:17:19 +0000 From: "Stu Brennan" To: "steve wick" , References: Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 08:17:16 -0500 s=q20121106; t=1384607839; bh=MUgGhvTU/3h1jByIUXVwf93P7Ty/kWdfyKoc5czqLIk=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=gSxPhzJBcQHvza2LW5B8HwA1HE+n4tk1Ps0V3vGiPrje7PX2vteOTg19qxdpVGgMJ fbgl+rJ4sW9IMXQutElkko10oVW9NNarX5//20728z0XSDhO3eDJNEm9MEmcDtWmve efgximjoxNvoZmrTyzjYGu0WOvOVWR480FdLgtk96c3Bk2f/5b+Q9VdKhfLz1Fl6Mv xYIL0L20lM65uQFg5EC+N/Vylc0YHbuIa8YkvTOkLPhM/oETlZa3RiW/MSdO2BVVU3 fq6AI0fFAxRLDzlvBIRrB7jCGgsrO8mSAdWSxDRzbEcBpulA/zjNgTtiQsyEiXqNsY N9DWyk9ao1W6A== Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hagerty story Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The publisher of Classic Motorsports used the Autotrain to bring his Tiger, and himself of course, north from Florida to the Tigers East "United" in Maryland. Lots of discussion of this is in the forum section of their web page. Stu -----Original Message----- From: steve wick Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 10:51 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Hagerty story Hopefully this link works. It's from Hagerty about a train that also transports cars with the owners, and uses a Tiger in their ads. Though you'd like it. http://www.hagerty.com/classic-car-articles-resources/Features/News/All-Artic les/2013/11/07/Ride-the-Rails?utm_source=ExactTarget&utm_medium=email&utm_ter m=&utm_content=&utm_campaign=Hagerty%20Weekly%20News%2011-13-2013 Steve _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/stubrennan@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 16 06:27:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A19F042F54 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 06:27:52 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F574403C7 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 06:27:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.52]) by qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id qDKH1m00217dt5G57DR5vT; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 13:25:05 +0000 Received: from sbrennanPC ([98.229.210.30]) by omta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id qDR41m00r0fu9Ni3ZDR49q; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 13:25:05 +0000 From: "Stu Brennan" To: , "Tiger Net" References: <5286B544.5050709@mayfco.com> <1CC25F63F1F44C9C8E880AF1FE5D6223@sbrennanPC> <5286E5AC.6030905@mayfco.com> Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 08:25:08 -0500 s=q20121106; t=1384608305; bh=VkU+z1sEn5bk63EUUXGfwelXNgNySkiYxPy2U8jmRDQ=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=P4tLJzIPdjKvSj9j0y50ktSWpzteCx3Fij7kfUB9Y4kAi0kDWwoUfrMcYhjAxW1df sOB8M/ts/ONf1SezfC9J38f78OqOaX6zJVQbZkWBucmodJnqs7K2BS9NYg1LJf7TVS 7J5rDaw790V8IRm3lh4ernjMVpsFN/ngOoxUt8L7c+m1INeWkz6Z3gq0HvZrjKefSf o2U+tSRG6CyAvTgnPYlnud+H/CapMvpAygdVSfTMWv19NVCFBrG27wLxc9J0/VLP+O mp/jG0oe/wh0vMOqYaDMOTMhR0UqSzOY6/jys6klmrS1S9KRbnEFbLyqDwQhSZzekL no5CFNFEBTvMQ== Subject: Re: [Tigers] More Silly Refurb Questions ... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The ohmmeter rides in the trunk. And my antique scope, a HP full of vacuum tubes, would not fit in the trunk. I get to play with all the new tricky stuff at work, Philips medical home monitoring group. Stu -----Original Message----- From: Larry Mayfield Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 10:25 PM To: Stu Brennan Subject: Re: [Tigers] More Silly Refurb Questions ... But do you have an ohm meter or oscope wired in any where? I mean, how can you call yourself an EE if you don't lol... You have a pocket protector also? I still us my sliderule... batteries never run down on it... mostly for stirring my coffee, though... larry ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed On 11/15/2013 6:15 PM, Stu Brennan wrote: > Agree on the Smiths voltmeter. Except for the name, you would think it > belongs. IIRC, I had to paint the pointer orange to match... Or maybe it > was the ammeter I painted orange. I have both, the ammeter in the usual > place, and the voltmeter in place of the clock. Why, yes, I am an EE. > > Stu > > -----Original Message----- From: Jay Laifman > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 7:12 PM > To: drmayf > Cc: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] More Silly Refurb Questions ... > > Smiths offers/offered a generally similar one. > > > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Larry Mayfield wrote: > >> Ok, so now the pad is glued on. Today I removed the dash panel becaus >> eit >> is 49 years old and looks it. Back side is flaking off badly. Front side >> is >> cracked and chipping badly. SO I am going to order a new one. I, just for >> chuckles, surfed ebay and found 11 of them. I looked at each and every >> one >> of them and no tone was for a MK 1. So I have to find the right one >> somewhere. I know all the usual spots to look. But in that process, I >> need to replace the gage to dash small teeny orings that go between teh >> bezel of the gage and the glass for the tach, speedo, fuel, oil and water >> gages. If one among you has the right dash numbers and part numbers I >> will >> get those ordered from McMaster Carr or one who supports LBCs this week >> end. Any ideas? Also, I had long long ago, installed an ammeter and I >> nver liked that Idea becaus ethe juice to-ing and froing the >> batter/generator was going though that sire. A short could have been bad >> indeed. So I have removed that but now want to install a simple volt >> meter. >> Is there a donor car somewhere that I might select one from and buy? >> Triumphs? MG? Jag, Something that looks kinda like it belongs... Or even >> suggest sources I might look at on the web... >> >> I'd appreciate it... >> >> larry >> >> -- >> ______________________________ >> drmayf >> Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. >> 204.913 mph flying mile >> 210.779 mph exit speed >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers@autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@ >> gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/stubrennan@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 16 08:00:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C85EB42F55 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 08:00:38 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm42.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm42.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.120.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D257342EEA for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 07:56:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] by nm42.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2013 14:55:54 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.180] by nm42.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2013 14:52:58 -0000 Received: from [66.196.81.170] by tm15.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2013 14:52:58 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.220] by tm16.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2013 14:52:57 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1029.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2013 14:52:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 91251 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Nov 2013 14:52:57 -0000 s=s1024; t=1384613577; bh=wELLGIpvhMD0isT0SNGNtQ2P9Zc6sl+BYXcyvj7GDcs=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=4wZD0jqcUvUD3IiGHjBtD6qcq9zy4TlEIweUmW/3ZW6gHFyEjju40YAY77q8GvI9AdCrdetzixPC8zUF+nfKhHV22/EMDoj6B3jn+pgYWHeWMCbCM/JRMQqrOZ8C6NWPUYwgXq7zPYzACzcesG9JqQsekQHBhSSm+5svbSQ+wz0= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qsAq0P3o8hOZjpt2eGt9Q0vIq0/91/cIZWM3oXGfV6m0BtY6hmzdb1ObmrC3Wuv+kl2i/61y4UAxyMGb2eYn8vQfoeGUF8f5b3H9zeYru/0TZdXw/pXxWZwPz65MzQiuUwTPVYDUCO0JXBjOq2pYhVgoGSSOWJ6F+4HJh3CZ78w=; RxF5ms.jzK81SIaMLGOnyCZHQgNEnVVWQqCJhjTIB_QJak_1gjRySDKeyi5N GHn0YnXyZxmQPe7tHwdNJkTtPA2LBDz2Dz1OnOZJuU5S8.tiuMXhfp7.iww8 ZFQ3v.KIiYFQDByjOODmhIBoCaq1jUIZUZcSaZuu5EiDHgPSGYjcXd5V4pPo zXCU9HMias3E0A.25hZcR8iZB_ckK8dtMBoo91.mb5SU2BEh6hygEahLfmsW xQ.3zfbkOg2Hv9E7lBkWJR.WKuafJY9sFTObeD6y.ztbrxRwbTSld3IAGMTt M.3TX9nvna7Z9Hc1zl1SAeTNvZLsnZEMXZJWeZAXzItN2NpmaJVUqbN_pSY0 9XtvH7calQ_BRXdnxkIskMnYPge0P66vzGsGYO_.8iZFFmm9Gr11SKcC6dp. 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Rick's may even come from Prestigewood, and if you need help ordering one that's specific to a MK 1 as opposed to a MK 1A, they may be able to direct you to the correct one. My new one came from Rick. It didn't come with the wood wedge that you wrap the grab handle vinyl around, but if you're careful, that can be gingerly removed and glued to the new panel. If need be, I can shoot a photo of it for you. Rande Bellman _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 16 09:19:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 882D342F25 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 09:19:17 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm33.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm33.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.26]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14CDD4038B for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 09:19:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] by nm33.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2013 16:18:08 -0000 Received: from [98.138.100.115] by nm33.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2013 16:15:14 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.149] by tm106.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2013 16:15:14 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.216] by tm6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2013 16:15:14 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1025.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Nov 2013 16:15:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 72498 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Nov 2013 16:15:14 -0000 s=s1024; t=1384618514; bh=9oIVf2gd+oroMloTRFtJiR9atWcnpMva6Q3aOE9J/8k=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=H/NW4Wd1CDZ9Am7p6bjgX/kjwkFNDOi0MZqax6sxR/kiFmvuH8KpZb8tbWoFHi8CJmoreTVjc13t79GTwzGFGHbYwVq7p6E/zFcQpSf++hen/SjF82WeC//0/AlFD8c46mGRJa4rs6c4dYd3UoR7gxa6oXCFR5CG80clahCWaTw= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=DZtA7umeK8xl9Nlng2u85wnhzvcqSt9hcDE+dJunFxjfWNDY5K9gq/1wx9lCLIWpwJUu5XC868OF+mP7xI+C/86hznVVwFsJO0e23njtGpRmU3JAzg3zL7ulYn9LEGGg5cggY8hEFYAe3WQr5RL2YCuUv+II0Nw2H69/0JZnfL4=; al7uS0ihcVMAgwP73TTrqli9A7C9tHf.120yRptwIQyAWW7zjnynTsSV1eyT 1zT7Ot5ApTdO2495b4BBalZs13kCfNA_iAS1DdR7YyxWfPc9_td9xV42Jkbk CSzc6okBeFkTCKi97ORzgJo3UZFXQZsoUUNx3elhW7dt.1EVcev77k.WIcxR lt5rMbafO7RPVIeCJUWDk2Sa0C9n3FIt3f6gpjgFRYEVg9S447voEefAw9wz TdtZidIN0iS.8fiP67TWkEs1oNGBjjpl5XQTHDh38jDkh0TIUDAXI0OfS58a 6wsQTvEbrDQxg1dpHExDC7yPu30t8n2IdfJngttfA28HPYnV9INHXvdmZ6kA VExQvWLPtfcPKOEY0os.LdGUWWhnc9qtLk36D.54XIzcRiKmqIG9rH0kgiwd C3uj0F37BF042PIek.d.iDEWsSAkdn27uOqnwpxMorQCsAAa5Akww408bJrQ ZizlIT6U1yFmBqruBbAgiQ7YizSY7 Received: from [173.48.171.26] by web161004.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 08:15:14 PST VGhhdCB3YXMgYSBncmVhdCBwaWVjZSB0byByZWFkLiBGb3Igb3duZXJzIHRyYXZlbGxpbmcgZWl0aGVyIGRpcmVjdGlvbiwgaXQgZ2l2ZXMgeW91IGEgbGl0dGxlIG1vcmUgcGllY2Ugb2YgbWluZCB0aGF0IHlvdSBhbmQgeW91ciBUaWdlciB3aWxsIGdldCB0byB3aGVyZSB5b3UncmUgZ29pbmcgd2l0aCBjb25maWRlbmNlLiBUaGFua3MgVGltIGFuZCBIYWdlcnR5LgoBMAEBAQE- Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 08:15:14 -0800 (PST) From: snakebit289 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Auto Train / Tiger piece Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net That was a great piece to read. For owners travelling either direction, it gives you a little more piece of mind that you and your Tiger will get to where you're going with confidence. Thanks Tim and Hagerty. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 16 09:20:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77A3542F0E for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 09:20:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pa0-f47.google.com (mail-pa0-f47.google.com [209.85.220.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 832E942EF5 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 09:19:29 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pa0-f47.google.com with SMTP id kq14so352838pab.20 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 08:18:41 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=vj7gFIsPCmYLyLw9NTYpmgP4eP6pjIcdYuRICKQTSfI=; b=CF3mcm2m3CMni/+kKjojzhHw4G/nWLr5yZPFr8+28vKzkXXZYJ0VZvGVh/TIGqOgTK xxIFBNZPS1mgZYzpR3OuTSaHv4Jpvj5FFatOgcWV3TqPWO6q8QejwiA9raMGG8upl3vH KlVwAjZ/Fhp+ZZzXOurfDmJS/Dcox8v0QKGhE59wBh0TTl0tO5wuDdP2+oumQ9ScPhJg X7c6zrPH62uI/9O9oKT6VC9Ko5TZdNilOug9Dt3WLdfLcS287tzCjwhGY+RbsAvroxWF 2kkhWdoXIiSNSnKO0J53Kz7DpngkDFXbdYn2kvW8xnmaqwOxATUYrpFwVI4DT8pudZcU Lryw== qz6mr4648289pbc.156.1384618721784; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 08:18:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.29.10 with HTTP; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 08:18:41 -0800 (PST) References: <8483E9A05F234E7EA46ECB131442E1A9@sbrennanPC> Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 11:18:41 -0500 From: Owain Lloyd To: Stu Brennan Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hagerty story Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net they say it was a more fun alternative to towing the car to the event on busy interstates. i'm surprised they didn't mention the more obvious alternative to me which would have been just driving the tiger. would have been more fun and a lot cheaper too. On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 8:17 AM, Stu Brennan wrote: > The publisher of Classic Motorsports used the Autotrain to bring his > Tiger, and himself of course, north from Florida to the Tigers East > "United" in Maryland. Lots of discussion of this is in the forum section > of their web page. > > Stu > > -----Original Message----- From: steve wick > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 10:51 PM > > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Hagerty story > > Hopefully this link works. It's from Hagerty about a train that also > transports cars with the owners, and uses a Tiger in their ads. Though > you'd > like it. > > http://www.hagerty.com/classic-car-articles-resources/Features/News/All- > Artic > les/2013/11/07/Ride-the-Rails?utm_source=ExactTarget&utm_ > medium=email&utm_ter > m=&utm_content=&utm_campaign=Hagerty%20Weekly%20News%2011-13-2013 > > Steve > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/stubrennan@ > comcast.net > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd@ > gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 16 21:57:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50B4242F3F for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 21:57:02 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2403442EF5 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 21:48:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([10.127.143.54]) by cdptpa-qmta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20131116053724461.SUKC6315@cdptpa-qmta03.mail.rr.com> for ; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 05:37:24 +0000 a=58AQjy34UZ/GSAVUaz6wpA==:17 a=253cKie21zsA:10 a=FtzfK-18wKcA:10 a=zTVDa7HKqxcA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=doupyKFmAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=yrmW28KkisYA:10 a=GQPr8ARfAAAA:8 a=jCtEygTeZ6G4aQVc37YA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=BPSfKMXmiYsA:10 a=n0fK2ukOmBkgEzLF:21 a=Bvrq1Xa2p6v3qLfu:21 a=58AQjy34UZ/GSAVUaz6wpA==:117 Received: from [72.224.119.118] ([72.224.119.118:63196] helo=[192.168.1.125]) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 25/EC-07922-34407825; Sat, 16 Nov 2013 05:36:04 +0000 Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 00:35:57 -0500 From: Tod Brown User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 To: tigers@autox.team.net, Larry Mayfield Subject: Re: [Tigers] Voltmeter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mayf: You can get an idea of the various voltmeters that kinda match by doing a search for "Smiths voltmeter" on eBay UK. Sunpro also makes a voltmeter with white numerals and red pointer on a black background. Unfortunately, the bezel is black, rather than chrome. Made in China, of course. You can also try http://jollyrogersmotors.com/ and search for voltmeter. They have a number of items for Tigers, including replacement washer bottles of the later type, if anyone is interested. Cheers, Tod B382002384LRXFE _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 17 01:44:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B45BF42F3F for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 01:44:56 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.56]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7669442F19 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 01:41:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.92]) by qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id qYeT1m0021zF43QA6YgU22; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 08:40:28 +0000 Received: from sz0058.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id qYgT1m00K2yr1eL8kYgTXH; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 08:40:28 +0000 Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 08:40:27 +0000 (UTC) From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: tigers@autox.team.net s=q20121106; t=1384677628; bh=xGqAeDt5o+2OjVfZtsPhUUoLDRNeZnFDYj2Hm3QeTM8=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=jcPg4fnW3IJSkBmeTUKkPNQ1dchBtu4/aWk8oR0OyppdIfx/lhl3sReerJc0SomjB FLbpUqyzKqGoCJIpFoRdyeYs5bta4HgxcSqpJaMxjOF84LYq9FqpedoQgXd5vExmFf JlxFGlEk/vvg/L3fYYrhVR0oBRCfnMBNdWOHNChJ01RkjGKA8ebX7rLUJRfFL+Ei5t qIRVUl0j3axSwViAzSUe2bY+q08t8Ah6WeCy0B8tsQfp6DY39U3TAe1wEkvD397qpk K6+L5lORg8V4HHpCYwQDkTXAy62gHVuBhANJPg85+eP0jySZkkT+P+EdiAzWfZV1xx ZzUZk9JFZxsuQ== Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clear Hooters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I am embarrassed to ask, but would someone please tell me which side of the car the H (High) unit is mounted, as they came from the factory? (Driver's side or passenger's side for a LHD car?). I am reinstalling them and of course neglected to mark them when I had them out. Might as well get it right as long as I am putting them back in. Thanks, Gene _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 17 06:09:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 809C442F50 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 06:09:35 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qe0-f43.google.com (mail-qe0-f43.google.com [209.85.128.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 032C842F06 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 06:09:28 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qe0-f43.google.com with SMTP id 2so1133518qeb.30 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 05:08:36 -0800 (PST) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:from:content-type:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=OYtO9Mdh1V8AN9LQgE1WIU2oXa7BOMiLl6wMhD2FzKw=; b=Iv95lgXrnDmzoueWPVnc1xhRmOIUG8ZIjnxyZV9KMcp6g6ZkGHvCAcLPwH9nM7BlAs YSBWvIIXpmfH6nzuTjkAzg0dpNykAybjElFgvFoqjEzBurjwOMPEP5NSlhavB3mbUPv1 g2fsoK9amGRzz3H/+zt2kwv8hdKENAN/iTdJqbguBeZaslcVzDHaYN+XpXjtcQtWzUnr UPBPHikYmItw8exEiQL4relyy/UlBMb0Nuh24s68kmmMFzxSNM6fg8eFpKQYcZyp3z3o ElAnajgCLEu3tqZfS+klNcQqIqpMXDQIfHqKRWR8KsCBsQaO5lYTwMj1UmXcZDQ0U8Ap 29QQ== b13mr26018188qec.15.1384693716100; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 05:08:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (71-80-50-181.dhcp.mant.nc.charter.com. [71.80.50.181]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id h2sm28580681qaf.10.2013.11.17.05.08.35 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 17 Nov 2013 05:08:35 -0800 (PST) From: "H. B. Elam" Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 08:08:33 -0500 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] Gage needle paint Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Used to have the paint code/number for the model paint for our gages. Now can't find it. Anybody remember? Harry Elam _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 17 07:04:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B43342F32 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 07:04:45 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.64]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 679C4403D5 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 07:03:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.20]) by qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id qdcm1m0050SCNGk57e2qt6; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 14:02:50 +0000 Received: from sbrennanPC ([98.229.210.30]) by omta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id qe2q1m0050fu9Ni3Ve2qG3; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 14:02:50 +0000 From: "Stu Brennan" To: "Tod Brown" , , "Larry Mayfield" References: <5287043D.8050005@roadrunner.com> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 09:02:47 -0500 s=q20121106; t=1384696970; bh=Q57kJTu8vaYyQSbioZfonIAv0fwsLPlldofAJlSA9fc=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=OHXdv2s13mvBpf2SwXf5DL4kJzGcsiJ0AcNpePZq1ICmScl4wqdKRodNy1Pp0mh9G TrV06gPtBqlma2lKHfG6fboSx9h9TQx729o/TrasE9kXSRwN0Pupto52lOjXqdRBg+ XG5iDCMu3hIAv+Jr5ko5f/wcxS2auRJ1AqIZaqJzQowUYhODQjAMCy+FPCO+hvJiJ/ qKgII8P879QpAGGlA3r/3DzzaHJZMMl2xdKfdyVPyILZ7OLHntvZuA+PBcNGO3x80t 7ptIdFjV6/iZkugrQ2OyJUSXQZzDN7SYRg5d3D3qPMXTFddaPGvESUeFVHR8CnEBjO prHXCR9u1CtqA== Subject: Re: [Tigers] Voltmeter Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net This was a bunch of years ago, so I'm remembering in pieces. The voltmeter I got out of the Triumph had a black bezel. The black was just paint, so it removed easily, and the metal beneath polished up nicely. Still looks good after all these years. Stu _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 17 09:07:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A31342F40 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 09:07:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-35.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB5E542F32 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 09:03:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (omta001.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id rAHG2dUm002040; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 08:02:40 -0800 Received: by sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - d1a6a208) id sj1-dm103.5283113a.836da; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 08:02:34 -0800 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.176.180]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 16:02:33 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'H. B. Elam'" , Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 11:02:29 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac7jlicLa7ot9n3yTAu3e6XomgMq+gAF7Akg engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.14,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-11-17_01:2013-11-15,2013-11-17,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1311170109 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gage needle paint Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Harry I don't know about the model paint # but NPD carries Instrument Gauge Needles paint; red/orange, white, green. I would thing that the model paint would be one of the florescent line of paints. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of H. B. Elam Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 8:09 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Gage needle paint Used to have the paint code/number for the model paint for our gages. Now can't find it. Anybody remember? Harry Elam _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 17 10:40:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C1DF42F41 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 10:40:26 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f43.google.com (mail-oa0-f43.google.com [209.85.219.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FE4742EEC for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 10:40:03 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oa0-f43.google.com with SMTP id g12so6162284oah.16 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 09:39:10 -0800 (PST) h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:thread-index :content-language; bh=q7sux2JvN9u+/Nq/GRoRYBomX+aKhffoDD5INJMISkA=; b=tpIe3SREd4zYj8IA/bw/y6qh2XRnib9Ij4WMJJGrO2/MeLGWjGT5MEzAIl4NGcaQRh +Iy9MYUfm6OakwM4W3/6IEzUaoiwzCLFgyv2USCZMmHUKQ/TLMJVMpArSUwsNh5l7hML /W3dC66ebG/0oXkPhDlgLOsgB0VTBsPf8gWS7/0rla41Hj0dh9u7PhK5Ze07Yx20Pn0h mw7t6Mf5dlHEI2yHJFE+T2isYSPq/nrXspxNbb/GfUPUlvuW9cv8VNuxIGZY/AyKS+tt jx4cT6rzTksyQwcnTqDAWqtQ5LDDYKaO1nRbr4eDd9BkiFsRBNRjlhKNzcEuptCOlKDy y/kA== l2mr16189223obn.44.1384709950727; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 09:39:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from OFFICEPC (75-32-205-182.lightspeed.ftwotx.sbcglobal.net. [75.32.205.182]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id dh4sm17569846obb.3.2013.11.17.09.39.09 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 17 Nov 2013 09:39:10 -0800 (PST) From: "Joe Brown" To: "'H. B. Elam'" , References: <8546CB26-CC03-4CA7-AC72-BCC30C4BD134@elams.org> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 11:39:08 -0600 Thread-Index: AQGBg/47YQwPB9LdMAMmAcx5MRuodprEbypA Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gage needle paint Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I used "Fluorescent Red" number FS28915 from Model Master and it was a really good match. It is a little to the orange side of red but it matched the unexposed parts of my needles. Thanks, Joe Brown Arlington, TX B382000217 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of H. B. Elam Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 7:09 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Gage needle paint Used to have the paint code/number for the model paint for our gages. Now can't find it. Anybody remember? Harry Elam _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jbbrown1980@gmail.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3629/6841 - Release Date: 11/16/13 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 17 11:45:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA71242F43 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 11:45:40 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc2-s5.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s5.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D439403A7 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 11:45:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from BAY172-W13 ([65.54.190.124]) by bay0-omc2-s5.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 17 Nov 2013 10:44:28 -0800 From: "Paul R. Breuhan" To: "H. B. Elam" , Tigers Den Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 13:44:28 -0500 References: <8546CB26-CC03-4CA7-AC72-BCC30C4BD134@elams.org> FILETIME=[0C03C840:01CEE3C5] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gage needle paint Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Harry, I use Rust-oleum Fluorescent Red Orange (#1955) in a spray can. Try and go as light as you can with the paint...use just enough to re-color the needle and no more. Paul > From: harryb@elams.org > Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 08:08:33 -0500 > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Gage needle paint > > Used to have the paint code/number for the model paint for our gages. Now > can't find it. Anybody remember? > > Harry Elam _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 17 17:35:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2ACE40525 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 17:35:01 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-35.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03315403C5 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 17:34:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (omta006.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id rAI0XYFo027206; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 16:33:45 -0800 Received: by dm0219.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 401895b2) id dm0219.52831103.821af; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 16:33:43 -0800 From: " Ron Fraser" To: , Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 19:33:36 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac7jcSdFV3GI9eCnRjWy8dg/QpKYjwAhA/Mg engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.14,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-11-17_03:2013-11-17,2013-11-17,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1311170235 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clear Hooters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Gene The Parts List does not show a side for either horn. Not sure if there is a convention for the placement of the horns either. They could go on either side. I never took note of which position they were in; I just wanted them working. Hopefully others on the lists were more observant and can help you. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of genepadgett@comcast.net Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 3:40 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clear Hooters I am embarrassed to ask, but would someone please tell me which side of the car the H (High) unit is mounted, as they came from the factory? (Driver's side or passenger's side for a LHD car?). I am reinstalling them and of course neglected to mark them when I had them out. Might as well get it right as long as I am putting them back in. Thanks, Gene _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 17 18:25:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5B7642EFC for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 18:25:49 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173009pub.verizon.net (vms173009pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.9]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD9C6403C6 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 18:25:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from optiplex3301 ([unknown] [108.47.114.228]) by vms173009.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MWF00CRKQL4ZQ60@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 19:24:40 -0600 (CST) From: "Thomas Witt" To: Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 17:24:42 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger mentioned in an old article Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net For those who are into gathering ANY info or statements regarding the Tiger, there is this little article (and complimentary statement) from my Pinto friends: http://www.fordpinto.com/general-pinto-talk/hello-fellow-keepers-of-the-flame -a-long-one-from-the-new-guy-71hanto/msg142371/?topicseen#new Scroll down to post #106 and click on the first page of the article to enlarge it. The Tiger is mentioned about midway in the third paragraph. The car itself is an interesting twist on the Tiger, - being an American Ford with a British engine/transmission swap. Tom _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 17 19:09:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FC6C42F48 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 19:09:06 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.40]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8709642A58 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2013 19:08:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.44]) by qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id qp231m0040x6nqcA4q7se5; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 02:07:52 +0000 Received: from sz0058.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id qq7s1m00W2xZMJ48Yq7sNX; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 02:07:52 +0000 Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 02:07:52 +0000 (UTC) From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: rfraser@bluefrog.com s=q20121106; t=1384740472; bh=a6d8o1O+sAzamnotVX4E/phuh8P7j5eUA/j9ZtqewOU=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=oSwML6vSaTa86UrUQwh8VRc1l7M/V7wwgaIUPMiSyKovVDF/XgIpLkDCEBdlq8Vf2 I5HLaI/CA11B6rf81j96Qj+X7UjyShfkp8583tdMmndmRp9w/aZLxV5MSE+cp7L9Vu xX1rfR+oHyboKVp3ufX8rOjBI72rDtwqpQYl61YvweThxg5/c9K8KSBpmmnqon0i4c PKCfFzJUuYrcJ7bfHYPTJ91gUXVwSzQbdZWMr9Mt5NUbzwaShg2yslr80Was/sRBFT xxORe3NL5b89pQlwGTLDgLkAVYRwT++Gm7CQD78khtCnqLi6RuEq2+DM6bALy/W7Z6 etC9dHcRfw3AA== Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clear Hooters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Ron, I guess I could make this a little bit of a survey. The horns, at least mine, have either a "H" or a "L" molded into the lip and is fairly easy to see through the grill opening. If anyone is inclined to have a look at theirs, I would be interested in hearing on which side the H horn is located. (I can figure out the rest :>) I had previously made horn hole blockoff plates but did a poor job of locating the holes for the wires. Also made longer brackets to put the horns fully in front of the plates. I am looking to redo the plates with better wire hole locations, and which side I mount the horns to be directed straight ahead affects the wire hole placement. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Fraser" To: genepadgett@comcast.net, tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 6:33:36 PM Subject: RE: [Tigers] Clear Hooters Gene The Parts List does not show a side for either horn. Not sure if there is a convention for the placement of the horns either. They could go on either side. I never took note of which position they were in; I just wanted them working. Hopefully others on the lists were more observant and can help you. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of genepadgett@comcast.net Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 3:40 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clear Hooters I am embarrassed to ask, but would someone please tell me which side of the car the H (High) unit is mounted, as they came from the factory? (Driver's side or passenger's side for a LHD car?). I am reinstalling them and of course neglected to mark them when I had them out. Might as well get it right as long as I am putting them back in. Thanks, Gene _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 18 09:14:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17C1742F68 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 09:14:03 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61AB4403BB for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 09:13:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004962.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id rAIGEUHW011741 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 08:14:36 -0800 Received: by dm0226.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 43ca9d92) id dm0226.528310f3.d4105 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 08:10:39 -0800 Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 08:10:34 -0800 From: Larry Mayfield Organization: Mayfield Motorsport User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.14,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-11-18_02:2013-11-18,2013-11-17,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1311180102 Subject: [Tigers] Refurb Question ...MK 1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Ok, so I am still putting things back together on my Tiger of nearly 47 years ownership.. I will shortly start on the soft top area. I have hit a snag however. Since this is a MK1, it has the metal covers for the soft top. My question is about the small side panels that fold down. On the ends of those, the ends that fold under the big center piece, there are rubber finishers. They, at least on this car, are held on with brass rivets of some sort. They appear to be a nested type of device with a pop rivet like piece that locks the pieces in place, a 2 piece system. I can find similar, but, nothing exactly like those. Is there a replacement available anywhere? Substitute? Many thanks! larry -- ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 18 09:22:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0FC842F7D for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 09:22:52 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31818403BB for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 09:17:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (omta002.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id rAIGGJQ6030652 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 08:16:32 -0800 Received: by dm0206.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 43ca9d92) id dm0206.52831123.59bbf6 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 08:16:31 -0800 Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 08:16:13 -0800 From: Larry Mayfield Organization: Mayfield Motorsport User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.14,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-11-18_02:2013-11-18,2013-11-17,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1311180102 Subject: [Tigers] Another Refurb Question... MK 1 Seat Belts.... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Way back when, late 60's, I did a bit of drag racing with my car. I installed some racing seat belts and stored my OEM belts ....somewhere......I think the gremlins have hidden them away, and hidden very well they are. Looks like I will need to obtain some new ones. But, I have no rememberance of what kind of buckle they had. Does anyone have, or can take, a photo of the buckle and send me a photo so I can sort of match them up with OEM? There are a gazillion set belts on ebay..if I only knew what I was looking for.... little help please? send photo to drmayf@mayfco.com ? thanks, larry -- ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 18 10:29:58 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9D2342F62 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 10:29:58 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-35.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7163242F42 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 10:29:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (omta001.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id rAIHSSKx008132 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 09:28:39 -0800 Received: by dm0207.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 43ca9d92) id dm0207.52831122.5b0dfc for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 09:28:34 -0800 Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 09:28:26 -0800 From: Larry Mayfield Organization: Mayfield Motorsport User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" References: <528A3D4D.1040900@mayfco.com> engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.14,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-11-18_02:2013-11-18,2013-11-18,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1311180119 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Another Refurb Question... MK 1 Seat Belts.... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hmmm, I see that there are vintage style 3 point seat belts available. Didn't I see somewhere that the Tigers have the additional shoulder belt location at or around the B pillar or wheel tub behind the seats? Did I see that or am I still dreaming? If so, about where is it actually and has anyone added the shoulder belt system to their cars? Is there a speciofic length needed? Can retractable ones be used? lary ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed On 11/18/2013 8:16 AM, Larry Mayfield wrote: > Way back when, late 60's, I did a bit of drag racing with my car. I > installed some racing seat belts and stored my OEM belts > ....somewhere......I think the gremlins have hidden them away, and > hidden very well they are. Looks like I will need to obtain some new > ones. But, I have no rememberance of what kind of buckle they had. > Does anyone have, or can take, a photo of the buckle and send me a > photo so I can sort of match them up with OEM? There are a gazillion > set belts on ebay..if I only knew what I was looking for.... > > little help please? send photo to drmayf@mayfco.com ? > > thanks, > > larry _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 18 11:33:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0DF242F56 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 11:33:11 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.243]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40038403D0 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 11:32:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.20]) by qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id r5Wk1m0070S2fkCAD6Xs3C; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 18:31:52 +0000 Received: from sz0058.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id r6Xs1m00B2yr1eL8V6XsBc; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 18:31:52 +0000 Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 18:31:52 +0000 (UTC) From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: drmayf@mayfco.com s=q20121106; t=1384799512; bh=I8zr6SonWs5zUdVAabbnTxgMqSyGukE1ucUEf/chQrY=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=aPM6DVSdsogAONHZ+nXnGqCYJvdxuhGk9ld4zPDRCu6EiB4WNoToOkTXopjtfcssP fqnByLchSmNfrDPVZebuSyk87xl+yO314YB19PfJAZ1RGuTZY0+uvFRyUg+cNhGl80 KKrD17iSVoZZqg38A6sYqTAySVrsxIDMBboIl9P+lOA1mJSnwBZklKhMDSXEw7Z8x6 DxyBd9iuwiPOG/vUN4rZZ0J/NbVB2DBl84h03p5KNYzqoGVB1FmjyDurx+bRJ+7qth LEWwx8Enqta+pZ7MGwYAV0K2ffzlYmBlfl6XVuZuT50hZUscJpH3zYygFOBWpQht6O 9D1Nx9o8a5seQ== Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Another Refurb Question... MK 1 Seat Belts.... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sunbeam Specialities sells the 3 point seat belts, but only have them in black. Victoria British has them in colors. I installed a set from SS last year. My motor has been out since that time so I have not had a chance to find out if I like them or not. The rear mounting point can seen by looking up into the rear wheel well while being on the outside of the car. There are bungs (probably under a bulge in the undercoat) welded to the sheet metal and filled with a plastic plug. Removing the plug is an exercise in patience, since the plastic has become very brittle after all these years. Try turning the plug inward a bit to break the thread seal and then work the plug back and forth as you try to back it out. I gave mine a shot of PB Blaster in the vague hope that might help. You do not want to break the plug because then you are dealing with plastic material jammed into the threads on the body. Once the plugs are out, you can poke a sharp pointed object through the hole and see where it comes out on the inside of the car. There is a "how to" article on the Tigers United website that describes the installation process for retractable belts, including the special problems for the Mark I. There was a nice thread posted recently on the CAT forum about original lap belts that is worth a look, including some pic's. The short version is that in the US these were dealer installed options so what you got varied based on the dealer. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Mayfield" To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 11:28:26 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Another Refurb Question... MK 1 Seat Belts.... Hmmm, I see that there are vintage style 3 point seat belts available. Didn't I see somewhere that the Tigers have the additional shoulder belt location at or around the B pillar or wheel tub behind the seats? Did I see that or am I still dreaming? If so, about where is it actually and has anyone added the shoulder belt system to their cars? Is there a speciofic length needed? Can retractable ones be used? lary ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed On 11/18/2013 8:16 AM, Larry Mayfield wrote: > Way back when, late 60's, I did a bit of drag racing with my car. I > installed some racing seat belts and stored my OEM belts > ....somewhere......I think the gremlins have hidden them away, and > hidden very well they are. Looks like I will need to obtain some new > ones. But, I have no rememberance of what kind of buckle they had. > Does anyone have, or can take, a photo of the buckle and send me a > photo so I can sort of match them up with OEM? There are a gazillion > set belts on ebay..if I only knew what I was looking for.... > > little help please? send photo to drmayf@mayfco.com ? > > thanks, > > larry _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 18 12:30:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F47D42F60 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 12:30:53 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm44.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm44.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.120.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 727DD403D0 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 12:30:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] by nm44.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2013 18:48:41 -0000 Received: from [98.138.101.128] by nm44.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2013 18:48:21 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.251] by tm16.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2013 18:48:21 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1043.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2013 18:48:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 73850 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Nov 2013 18:48:20 -0000 s=s1024; t=1384800500; bh=68yvCB+nicdohh7kKXcG9bwjpu6718GGvVxP5y8yAGM=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=1bemJc7yHMbM3qWv9zhes9/xkUOze3Bj1UD49ia/JW83aBgm08J5a7qEoYhQzsgeeuXJJAt6vjvlBzua6qOiofGMMxJ58HDX2n/TPy8vs7gTTIf7CcmUaJBO59l6XmTO0E25OCMQhhMJptCxOLd0TtKkWsqUe3IIOz+qQzrhuSs= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=E1AkZ16cn4ek0JBviXUSsa+8HP3Af1WGuu9Awvb9ZVDag6pe6D6FkDM811gQrn5j3pbleVoxCD83BJKPAFh1bnbWtRiqaGERNBkbtBbR62mXzBm/fr/rHnVoBuN0Xw5cwWyVbXqtJBsWuNOhnTnGQpDsagCl5G/k7SO61ltw2PM=; AJmELEbUci9q0HhbLSk7sdlBHBpmfZitK4X4OxbbnmScmDAbxI2IrEKql4nY UuM93PmJB8hR.QXsQSp_tY17M2xOd4h55KingQof5mFYMT_sOjkosM6qTYvZ bL7No8V9QL_HCHy_31hUtoA53QgdqyQyfKK0j3QLrH6LCNGQdL4f0RNjkKKP mC4_cgx1s1fbAgTexBbvuNjCiUUysOQ5vNDVrYbMGWIoillfcEjGrUwtXSB0 OnLSXc4S5_5GYpWIzWVr5B5qGgTw2IoqgcqKdiQxjgwpjOEXbQG5O55rDauC 9a.3p6PWDO.GnkP4V74PB.qft1jIFNIQ1j_zz.U04Q_5Kp..NQZcoAY7haCM P5qp10HB5hHEcA.O3gvy3udff0kdTC1EPqBjveah.XZU15PCLAze7JukYyNt _zefZNUinsxdExRJkdj._UUb_wtAK1ZvuXXjVD6v6yOB4K0LVDjQmaANVUZ_ Dy2LVkP8QGj1zBN9iA91Qs2Hzl8CYig-- Received: from [173.48.171.26] by web161001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 10:48:20 PST TGFycnksIHNvbWV0aW1lcywgaWYgeW91IGxvb2sgYXQgdGhlIHJlYXIgd2hlZWwgd2VsbCBmcm9tIG91dHNpZGUsIHlvdSdsbCBzZWUgYSBwbGFzdGljIGNhcCB0aGF0IGNvdmVycyB0aGUgdGhyZWFkZWQgaG9sZSwgbXkgMUEgaXMgbGlrZSB0aGF0LiBTb21ldGltZXMgdGhlIGhvbGUgZm9yIHNvbWUgcmVhc29uIGlzIG9wZW4sIGFuZCB5b3UgbWF5IG5lZWQgdG8gY2hhc2UgdGhlIHRocmVhZHMgdG8gYm9sdCBpdCB1cC4gWW91IG1heSBoYXZlIHRvIGxvb2sgYXQgdGhlIHdoZWVsIHdlbGwgd2l0aG91dCB0aGUBMAEBAQE- Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 10:48:20 -0800 (PST) From: snakebit289 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] Tiger shoulder belt mount Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Larry, sometimes, if you look at the rear wheel well from outside, you'll see a plastic cap that covers the threaded hole, my 1A is like that. Sometimes the hole for some reason is open, and you may need to chase the threads to bolt it up. You may have to look at the wheel well without the wheel installed. Rande Bellman _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 18 17:50:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD7934054A for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 17:50:39 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A92A403D0 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 17:50:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004962.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id rAJ0p6D8005275; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 16:51:09 -0800 Received: by dm0225.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 4018b3ba) id dm0225.528310f5.affb3; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 16:49:09 -0800 From: " Ron Fraser" To: Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 19:48:29 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac7kAvyk5iUz1qeBQB2MopNCAUjERAAvZKkg engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.14,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-11-18_02:2013-11-18,2013-11-18,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1311180220 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clear Hooters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Gene Currently I have the Hi horn on the left side and the L horn on the right side. I took no note of which side they were originally on, so this is how I put them back on my Tiger. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: genepadgett@comcast.net [mailto:genepadgett@comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 9:08 PM To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clear Hooters Thanks Ron, I guess I could make this a little bit of a survey. The horns, at least mine, have either a "H" or a "L" molded into the lip and is fairly easy to see through the grill opening. If anyone is inclined to have a look at theirs, I would be interested in hearing on which side the H horn is located. (I can figure out the rest :>) I had previously made horn hole blockoff plates but did a poor job of locating the holes for the wires. Also made longer brackets to put the horns fully in front of the plates. I am looking to redo the plates with better wire hole locations, and which side I mount the horns to be directed straight ahead affects the wire hole placement. Gene _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 18 19:53:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D62842F5F for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 19:53:04 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from rco2.airstreamcomm.net (rco2.airstreamcomm.net [68.65.40.39]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AF5240405 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 19:48:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail5.mwt.net ([207.190.94.125]) by rco2.airstreamcomm.net ({f60185c2-4106-4c44-99c1-cb98589a16d2}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20131119024705474; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 02:47:05 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (98-143-224-122.vernon.mwt.net [98.143.224.122]) (user=jeffers@mwt.net mech=PLAIN bits=0) by mail5.mwt.net (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id rAJ2l062032039; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 20:47:01 -0600 From: Pam and Tom Jeffers Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 20:47:00 -0600 References: <528A3BFA.40201@mayfco.com> To: drmayf@mayfco.com Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Refurb Question ...MK 1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Larry, Dont remove the rivets, you can slide the new side cover finisher seal over the old rivets. Tom On Nov 18, 2013, at 10:10 AM, Larry Mayfield wrote: > Ok, so I am still putting things back together on my Tiger of nearly 47 years ownership.. I will shortly start on the soft top area. I have hit a snag however. Since this is a MK1, it has the metal covers for the soft top. My question is about the small side panels that fold down. On the ends of those, the ends that fold under the big center piece, there are rubber finishers. They, at least on this car, are held on with brass rivets of some sort. They appear to be a nested type of device with a pop rivet like piece that locks the pieces in place, a 2 piece system. I can find similar, but, nothing exactly like those. Is there a replacement available anywhere? Substitute? > > Many thanks! > > larry _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 18 19:55:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCCFF403F6 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 19:55:06 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC5DA403F6 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 19:55:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.52]) by qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id rETV1m00317UAYkA9Eu2Fi; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 02:54:02 +0000 Received: from sz0064.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id rEu21m00Y2xZMJ48ZEu2bP; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 02:54:02 +0000 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 02:54:02 +0000 (UTC) From: Gary Winblad To: rfraser@bluefrog.com s=q20121106; t=1384829642; bh=36enSKJmDUM1J9i8A25HdmbnJfahLTa3tOVNQ7hpEkE=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=VZgfq4okcZ1MdJC4MJ0fOkxZ38slAfSrRfzd4gAYts16sJU01KanedHYNuir8NCu6 BMf5a2gEC0/iB4SVH2AKrlh7rN/yWMQ/l3kK5zOCqOYwtL9LmRbPMA4eRnzKaHEqZm lYuWCRbWAG06YmM2FjsWW8Fj6ACwMt9deyJMRuOH50n7ZxSY0sNY8eOP7XcEoXFZDz FBCQg7WGnnk6i9VFHZZZ9eBr8i/4WqSYq+JZqZvrv9owqjXqeKRrhAQtHK7h8TnBoj XEHWTN3hg7J9ZmgAMf+tICeEim1gnAIE4Axjx9QtU4uxbgbY/nOSv4isqnOc8oK2hs x1jNe9UwYISyg== Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clear Hooters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net For what its worth, I have the H on the drivers side(too?). But I had them off the car for probably 35 years until I got around to adjusting them and making them work again ;-) But, I think the way they were attached to their brackets made them only go back in one way. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Fraser To: genepadgett@comcast.net Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 00:48:29 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clear Hooters Gene Currently I have the Hi horn on the left side and the L horn on the right side. I took no note of which side they were originally on, so this is how I put them back on my Tiger. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: genepadgett@comcast.net [mailto:genepadgett@comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 9:08 PM To: rfraser@bluefrog.com Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clear Hooters Thanks Ron, I guess I could make this a little bit of a survey. The horns, at least mine, have either a "H" or a "L" molded into the lip and is fairly easy to see through the grill opening. If anyone is inclined to have a look at theirs, I would be interested in hearing on which side the H horn is located. (I can figure out the rest :>) I had previously made horn hole blockoff plates but did a poor job of locating the holes for the wires. Also made longer brackets to put the horns fully in front of the plates. I am looking to redo the plates with better wire hole locations, and which side I mount the horns to be directed straight ahead affects the wire hole placement. Gene _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 19 16:50:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86BF242F71 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 16:50:15 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from fed1rmfepo103.cox.net (fed1rmfepo103.cox.net [68.230.241.145]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BF03403ED for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 16:44:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from fed1rmimpo306 ([68.230.241.174]) by fed1rmfepo103.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20131119234333.LIET21010.fed1rmfepo103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo306> for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 18:43:33 -0500 Received: from laptop ([68.229.224.237]) by fed1rmimpo306 with cox id rbjY1m00C57wa9801bjYx3; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 18:43:32 -0500 a=Edkp9s3Os2/x5ckoDbrZxQ==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=lpcmBDxC0t4A:10 a=W4ql9lO4YZwCTPunkagA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=dti50p5lyPkA:10 a=uDf7XvybYSYA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=MBHyrjaHlvRinri70SwA:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=Edkp9s3Os2/x5ckoDbrZxQ==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) smtp.auth=awtiger@cox.net From: "Andy Walker" To: "'Tiger Talk List Tiger'" Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 17:43:23 -0600 Thread-Index: Ac7lgPhJvWmQ9NlIT2ex7aOI95Q9iw== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [Tigers] Larry Atkisson Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hey, guys: I'd like to get ahold of Larry Atkisson if possible. Does anyone have his direct e-mail address? Thanks much!!!! Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE TAC #740 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 19 20:11:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1492542FE1 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 20:11:13 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f182.google.com (mail-ie0-f182.google.com [209.85.223.182]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E32FB4042C for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 20:10:54 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ie0-f182.google.com with SMTP id as1so6569553iec.13 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 19:09:50 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=from:to:references:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:thread-index; bh=qZ473UVp7FEvBueCUTr+hsH35OtmuXfQpD/624utXxM=; b=qL5KoaXo0Umu51sUFdYIVP8vhbMrc4s2Y+ZZVhlND7euC/Y4NFUXiZ/xkJ6Bg333yv kQA/MakROsx540m0N5BqotJm017qnC+c8uEIrgBpSQr/dlJgUFYZEeOSQaF/wMqIMNBp 7vfvT36seKLCo8DWPK+kBmvmI4unYDkgKs6DcNYPYeBwBjFb3s/kr781fDANpgGYL3va RmhktkwwhT1EKmiNV+AB1luwySA5T6ZDdKDCtad4uNygatWOZ0/PizOMzmoYweZC+5WU /Yv09c1XjLisHlRJIZ7XogBAC0CR+2Irtcu3HqPxNVLtFkNxYpMHPxHmP0EsxJVn0MpH 98MA== fs6mr21790795igb.16.1384916990138; Tue, 19 Nov 2013 19:09:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from delld630 (adsl-76-243-177-108.dsl.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net. [76.243.177.108]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id a17sm6866332ign.2.2013.11.19.19.09.49 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 19 Nov 2013 19:09:49 -0800 (PST) From: "Mark Rense" To: "'Andy Walker'" , "'Tiger Talk List Tiger'" References: <004901cee581$232963a0$697c2ae0$@cox.net> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 22:09:49 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac7lgPhJvWmQ9NlIT2ex7aOI95Q9iwAG5bwg Subject: Re: [Tigers] Larry Atkisson Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Andy, here is the last one I had. He stamped an engine plate for me last spring. catkisson@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andy Walker Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 6:43 PM To: 'Tiger Talk List Tiger' Subject: [Tigers] Larry Atkisson Hey, guys: I'd like to get ahold of Larry Atkisson if possible. Does anyone have his direct e-mail address? Thanks much!!!! Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE TAC #740 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 20 20:29:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49D4842AB9 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2013 20:29:45 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E291040537 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2013 20:29:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.35]) by qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id s1Y21m0020lTkoCA33UBCf; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 03:28:11 +0000 Received: from sz0058.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id s3UA1m00m2xZMJ48Q3UAQs; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 03:28:11 +0000 Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 03:28:10 +0000 (UTC) From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: Gary Winblad , Ron Fraser s=q20121106; t=1385004491; bh=ojgdR62lrh4L17jnBXEFLlvTdvrRRDjHftgwo0MvQh0=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=pIAsTg9StK9tKwkuiwz8gCdmn8TER62cauop9k124T4pjQhYnYfZy44f510dno+O5 OXLBEVXzpmoAeHvl7dVa7i75rZ7U2eI/Ljqe9f5swPASJJ4z+1YmOkTTbGw3gt2Vmf eeu/ns3NznJzVpLjjcal51ZoYORnxIptrXzfXrPh6VtLVhjjV0kX3tnECBDLFMsvm2 HcNLLzFwkLP0ditB/AOx9a0q8NLZNeZlLi8Oacj+XyBiurjWfT5rYW5wvZGZdVqzJV Od6dVfzfE7mCcbrpzovGH23CnISOTOK+zbFgXs7wHWP4OPXLT589VQfEGqrWAaAvTW tN1GH8ildRq5A== Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clear Hooters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Gary, Ron, and Jim, Thanks for taking the time to look and share how your cars are set up. Judging from the limited response, the vast majority of Tiger owners must no longer have these horns on their cars. It was not a critical question, but interesting to me and thanks for caring enough to respond. 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Wed, 20 Nov 2013 19:39:24 PST SSd2ZSB0aG9yb3VnaGx5IGVuam95ZWQgcHJldHR5IG11Y2ggZXZlcnkgdmlkZW8gQ2hyaXMgSGFycmlzIGhhcyBvbiBZb3V0dWJlIGFuZCB0aGlzIG9uZSBpcyBldmVuIGJldHRlciB3aXRoIGEgY291cGxlIHNob3RzIG9mIGEgTGVNYW5zIFRpZ2VyIHJ1bm5pbmcgR29vZHdvb2TCoEAgNTowNCBhbmQgcnVubmluZyB3aXRoIHRoZSBMaXN0ZXIgSmFndWFyIHRoYXQgSGFycmlzIGlzIGRyaXZpbmcgc3RhcnRpbmcgQCA4OjU0LgoKaHR0cDovL3d3dy55b3V0dWJlLmNvbS93YXRjaD92PVk2eDJSWkI0TzZzJmZlYXQBMAEBAQE- References: <1776680745.82297.1384829642546.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <157196090.4635313.1385004490935.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 19:39:24 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Waybright To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] Chris Harris racing @ Goodwood with cameo by a LeMans Tiger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I've thoroughly enjoyed pretty much every video Chris Harris has on Youtube and this one is even better with a couple shots of a LeMans Tiger running Goodwood @ 5:04 and running with the Lister Jaguar that Harris is driving starting @ 8:54. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6x2RZB4O6s&feature=youtu.be&a Stephen Waybright _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 21 00:43:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56EC14306C for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 00:43:42 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59D8C4287E for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 00:42:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta22.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.89]) by qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id s7gY1m0021vN32cA57gxad; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 07:40:57 +0000 Received: from sz0058.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta22.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id s7gx1m0042yr1eL8i7gxNM; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 07:40:57 +0000 Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 07:40:57 +0000 (UTC) From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: Stephen Waybright s=q20121106; t=1385019657; bh=AYpMoxGf21DFPAYP7ouyna601S/B66RNkADwkj3g+W4=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=pO4edlwEoQbve3B+47OCdRxRzusGRuJ067Z+75YJArtnh/Mng673hglDa3658Xj1A QAAU+y+geaXUAFCKDEDWnC/52AR4x5BrYyDj5u/lprSxhqfCp9SZ1tV/HjL19MPp1y UJWfhBZUaHLw9Wy6aQBGlJSYiixzc+kcWdJ30qoZ7eHHj7FJQI7V+MzvcQkT9GnzSM SUnjQ5hna9Ecdxk5p/GG+wTf4WGr1scv1w+W79i60g5iP5Z1luT2z98vYHcajMQ3kV ReTmqXtUKagXJl6R5NnuutV7K2D6NJwNIswq0yyRniVw8Jtf2BmUdnfRNhlCsbw6O6 sVSRW5MbtgT4w== Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Chris Harris racing @ Goodwood with cameo by a LeMans Tiger Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Stephen, very very enjoyable. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Waybright" To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 9:39:24 PM Subject: [Tigers] Chris Harris racing @ Goodwood with cameo by a LeMans Tiger I've thoroughly enjoyed pretty much every video Chris Harris has on Youtube and this one is even better with a couple shots of a LeMans Tiger running Goodwood @ 5:04 and running with the Lister Jaguar that Harris is driving starting @ 8:54. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6x2RZB4O6s&feature=youtu.be&a Stephen Waybright _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 21 16:13:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50E1F4312E for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:13:35 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83B5442F04 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 15:41:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004962.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id rALMfoZb030491 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 14:41:56 -0800 Received: by dm0224.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 43ca9d92) id dm0224.528310f8.f44ee for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 14:39:55 -0800 Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 14:39:51 -0800 From: Larry Mayfield Organization: Mayfield Motorsport User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.14,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-11-21_06:2013-11-21,2013-11-21,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1311210165 Subject: [Tigers] Rear Truck to Cabin Curtain Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Ok more clearly, on my MK1, this is the fabric curtain that is riveted to the coachwork just under the rear cowl? and then snaps into place along the bottom. It purpose I guess is to separate the trunk from the cabin area, I guess. Replacement ones are available, but, has anyone made3 one from aluminum sheet? And sealed it around its edges? I ask because the notion of two fuel tanks in the rear fenders which under wreck or crash conditions could let a lot of fuel into the truck and cabin area. Also keeps fumes from coming into the cabin area as well. Battery fluids maybe... it just seems like a better thing to do that some loosey goosey fabric thingy. So, if anyone has done that, do you have a pattern? Looks like a lot of trimming and fitting to get one close to working... Comments? Thoughts? A pattern? larry -- ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 21 16:37:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 627D243118 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:37:19 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f41.google.com (mail-oa0-f41.google.com [209.85.219.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DF57430F8 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:20:47 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id j17so552351oag.14 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 15:19:34 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=F4VDsJbUtfqCfnG7Jvl9YgiJ8d1gmrSYQDPwg1EjME4=; b=yOHilt/GFD42/sp3MH/G1RJyQWzpD5P/T0CDjRghXs3llkEXOWwAoEmL96xLpcXNFL YMICKL9yath6mAsE5eXO2rz9N0yXuMwQgAufrWEUfdUZvljfC7vpD2rT+OSD12ZWddeI jjFKmcXno0G6httQ7DvEAujlAvkcKq+1aM6fdowclqopHx0br5DTsnAC3FkoUUT8lSrS WhBONncn3Fkckf6fg/2fKO9YjW4tI5jXPSRmhADLXvgWqGl/k7Re+H110P/ge5nXay3V hybBdCSC3f84XHtP1soseK6lIN6LLaMDbH0V8jQFVekpXAeBFF9Ps4mR0gUYYrNX/cWX YhJw== a3mr7688286oet.13.1385075974032; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 15:19:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.34.196 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 15:19:33 -0800 (PST) References: <528E8BB7.1060000@mayfco.com> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 10:19:33 +1100 From: michael king To: drmayf Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear Truck to Cabin Curtain Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mayf, I have something similar in my car.. not a fully sealed firewall... but quite close, will see if i can get a photo for you this weekend. On 22 November 2013 09:39, Larry Mayfield wrote: > Ok more clearly, on my MK1, this is the fabric curtain that is riveted to > the coachwork just under the rear cowl? and then snaps into place along the > bottom. It purpose I guess is to separate the trunk from the cabin area, > I guess. Replacement ones are available, but, has anyone made3 one from > aluminum sheet? And sealed it around its edges? I ask because the notion > of two fuel tanks in the rear fenders which under wreck or crash conditions > could let a lot of fuel into the truck and cabin area. Also keeps fumes > from coming into the cabin area as well. Battery fluids maybe... it just > seems like a better thing to do that some loosey goosey fabric thingy. > > So, if anyone has done that, do you have a pattern? Looks like a lot of > trimming and fitting to get one close to working... > > Comments? Thoughts? A pattern? > > larry > > -- > ______________________________ > drmayf > Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. > 204.913 mph flying mile > 210.779 mph exit speed > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@ > gmail.com > > > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 21 16:37:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 465F24319A for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:37:40 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C077C4315D for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:23:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004960.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id rALNHxbG012219 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 15:22:03 -0800 Received: by dm0215.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 43ca9d92) id dm0215.52831111.565f7 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 15:22:02 -0800 Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 15:21:58 -0800 From: Larry Mayfield Organization: Mayfield Motorsport User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" References: <528E8BB7.1060000@mayfco.com> engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.14,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-11-21_07:2013-11-21,2013-11-21,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1311210167 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear Trunk to Cabin Curtain Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Of course, I meant Trunk to Cabin .... ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed On 11/21/2013 2:39 PM, Larry Mayfield wrote: > Ok more clearly, on my MK1, this is the fabric curtain that is riveted > to the coachwork just under the rear cowl? and then snaps into place > along the bottom. It purpose I guess is to separate the trunk from > the cabin area, I guess. Replacement ones are available, but, has > anyone made3 one from aluminum sheet? And sealed it around its > edges? I ask because the notion of two fuel tanks in the rear fenders > which under wreck or crash conditions could let a lot of fuel into the > truck and cabin area. Also keeps fumes from coming into the cabin > area as well. Battery fluids maybe... it just seems like a better > thing to do that some loosey goosey fabric thingy. > > So, if anyone has done that, do you have a pattern? Looks like a lot > of trimming and fitting to get one close to working... > > Comments? Thoughts? A pattern? > > larry _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 21 17:31:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 779BD430C4 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:31:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-35.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0F9140453 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:31:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (omta006.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id rAM0QVCl027982 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:29:57 -0800 Received: by dm0225.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 43ca9d92) id dm0225.528310f5.f5476 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:29:52 -0800 Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:29:48 -0800 From: Larry Mayfield Organization: Mayfield Motorsport User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.14,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-11-21_07:2013-11-21,2013-11-21,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1311210181 Subject: [Tigers] Another Question...Entertainment / Navigation System Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net So, has anyone installed a large screen Navigation/Entertainment Systems in their Tiger? If so, share the info? larry -- ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 21 20:44:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26CE4430D3 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 20:44:44 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from bay0-omc3-s18.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s18.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.156]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FEEF42F17 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 20:44:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from BAY172-DS16 ([65.54.190.188]) by bay0-omc3-s18.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 21 Nov 2013 19:43:20 -0800 From: "Thomas Prager" To: "tigers_United_forum" Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 21:43:19 -0600 Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 21:43:19 -0600 FILETIME=[FCDBEC30:01CEE734] Subject: [Tigers] a few Sunbeam land speed race cars Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net A few Sunbeam land speed race cars mixed in............. tom http://www.chron.com/cars/gallery/The-Fastest-Cars-of-Their-Time-74596/photo- 5494453.php _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 22 06:23:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11C2542F47 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 06:23:21 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF20C42F1D for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 06:05:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta23.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.74]) by qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id scKD1m0011c6gX851d3zud; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 13:03:59 +0000 Received: from resmail-ch2-219v.sys.comcast.net ([162.150.48.253]) by omta23.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id sd3z1m00H5Tlpyy3jd3z6Y; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 13:03:59 +0000 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 13:03:59 +0000 (UTC) From: stubrennan@comcast.net To: drmayf@mayfco.com References: <528EA57C.6000307@mayfco.com> Thread-Topic: Another Question...Entertainment / Navigation System Thread-Index: 23SIgxq12cKSzTQbbHFKzGRRHkbuVQ== s=q20121106; t=1385125439; bh=Fs5JsaUadwYKWJkyfPiFb11Bbp8ChKLFDFUst2D56Ag=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=HZBzEm4/YBjG//Sz/VBn/hrBwLgvrLOxXOT10ORpTfXar8XD6QAGtmS/e0vdRUQ7e GvGY8rqUmtjNrEpPPiW31OvyjGjtWfIj5ciHIeMTyFv09RRDCzPFCDms3m8y/QXJbs 7p04KrgzEiVlmWj2sP6c7hygiPSpML7yGIMrEBn5YsMcyzui3qZ0ft9OZnH2K/bP/N Y8khNHcllK2qE0U7gEgiqv3MI+TtV6LmqJBbP4UiJWh4mzJOBNuLlvzn37h75sFUtu a33+t/ROIivjrAwbPxjbs+QoWBuev0AnX1K4LEQrfqCREsC5E2FFVyZyPqTFsSpy4P C0cwZQIyv9NkA== Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Another Question...Entertainment / Navigation System Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Yes, a number of us have them. You can see what road you are on, signs for upcoming turns, speed limits, and all that great info. It's so big is has two little cleaning devices dedicated to it. It's called "the windshield". Oh, and the sound system is by Ford. Stu _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 22 06:38:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7087742F37 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 06:38:04 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C484B42F1D for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 06:37:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004962.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id rAMDbQ2u013530; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 05:38:39 -0800 Received: by dm0201.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 43ca9d92) id dm0201.52831134.9b32ab; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 05:36:38 -0800 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 05:36:32 -0800 From: Larry Mayfield Organization: Mayfield Motorsport User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 To: stubrennan@comcast.net References: <528EA57C.6000307@mayfco.com> <1042935268.149552.1385125439310.JavaMail.root@comcast.net> engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.14,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-11-22_05:2013-11-22,2013-11-22,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1311220067 Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Another Question...Entertainment / Navigation System Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Aahh, well... twas a serious question.... larry ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed On 11/22/2013 5:03 AM, stubrennan@comcast.net wrote: > Yes, a number of us have them. You can see what road you are on, signs for upcoming turns, speed limits, and all that great info. It's so big is has two little cleaning devices dedicated to it. It's called "the windshield". Oh, and the sound system is by Ford. > > Stu _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 22 06:42:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B02044306C for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 06:42:22 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from exprod5og116.obsmtp.com (exprod5og116.obsmtp.com [64.18.0.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A94D94006C for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 06:42:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from alpmlip14.e2k.ad.ge.com ([12.43.191.1]) (using TLSv1) by exprod5ob116.postini.com ([64.18.4.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUo9e69vkai4aOEzV1kunbQuIweDpahMA@postini.com; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 05:41:00 PST Received: from unknown (HELO ALPMBHT03.e2k.ad.ge.com) ([3.159.19.196]) by alpmlip14.e2k.ad.ge.com with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 22 Nov 2013 08:40:58 -0500 Received: from CINMBCNA09.e2k.ad.ge.com (3.159.212.38) by ALPMBHT03.e2k.ad.ge.com (3.159.19.196) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.146.0; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 08:40:58 -0500 Received: from CINMBCNA10.e2k.ad.ge.com ([169.254.4.4]) by CINMBCNA09.e2k.ad.ge.com ([169.254.3.29]) with mapi id 14.03.0146.000; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 08:40:57 -0500 From: "Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light)" To: "drmayf@mayfco.com" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Another Question...Entertainment / Navigation System Thread-Index: AQHO5xoI/pPGoMgdckakEkRL0IkEwZoxPp0Q Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 13:40:57 +0000 References: <528EA57C.6000307@mayfco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [3.159.212.193] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Another Question...Entertainment / Navigation System Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I have a very high-end sound system in my Tiger: Music source: Shell V-Power 94, Sunoco Ultra 93, BP Amoco Ultimate 93 Pre-amp: Holley 670 Street Avenger Amplifier: Ford 289 with 331 stroker kit Speakers: Magnaflow 11224 Any questions? _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 22 07:09:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B43F42F47 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 07:09:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FF9B4042C for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 07:09:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (omta003.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id rAME4jXJ028483; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 06:07:54 -0800 Received: by dm0224.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 43ca9d92) id dm0224.528310f8.104d3c; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 06:07:39 -0800 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 06:07:13 -0800 From: Larry Mayfield Organization: Mayfield Motorsport User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 To: "Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light)" , "tigers@autox.team.net" References: <528EA57C.6000307@mayfco.com> <26805228D183EF4E9C6F4499BB55B05147D442C6@CINMBCNA10.e2k.ad.ge.com> engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.14,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-11-22_05:2013-11-22,2013-11-22,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1311220075 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Another Question...Entertainment / Navigation System Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net was there something silly in the question I asked? I love my sirius xm, my blue tooth phone and nav systems. I was actually hoping that one of you had installed something like that in your cars and I could get a jump on searching for one I like for after market install, but I guess not. larry ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed On 11/22/2013 5:40 AM, Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light) wrote: > I have a very high-end sound system in my Tiger: > > Music source: Shell V-Power 94, Sunoco Ultra 93, BP Amoco Ultimate 93 > Pre-amp: Holley 670 Street Avenger > Amplifier: Ford 289 with 331 stroker kit > Speakers: Magnaflow 11224 > > Any questions? _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 22 07:29:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0984243078 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 07:29:02 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f53.google.com (mail-qa0-f53.google.com [209.85.216.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5019D403F0 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 07:28:42 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qa0-f53.google.com with SMTP id j5so4121239qaq.5 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 06:27:26 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=gMC8IjSRQsdL3OkZysok0ef5aELKjqpyMXjdHY36BFo=; b=i8Ql7QDwlgMdkNEZB3e9xP2IEnWhg5na0D4mCoOSnOrEbyQuAa0Llyb006fy8QWW83 OLaX84+shJOZ96f9Jtr4EQhiOzGx2P7wggS/s1BLhiExF8SV3PaQuMMp8vf9CwszG+eH eX5DNH31MyChvE7Mx0ZMj66nWMEFCh1/6cOS87REhhut6mKczp+4T1nnkb54yPhiXdPj Jfl5ZGaI6hCUUirKYMppFP78dkB9eXJAzaxWeWFEcIOYcoq6i+SdGTjWtFeroAisFZ0n ih5CkwyfBDPFiSXdf4N1n3WWgtc6sRw+bnPIRKY4JWjMVYBFNBFwx87lNTIR7wL7x8H+ I20Q== m3mr22051727qcr.7.1385130446304; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 06:27:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.96.225.104 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 06:27:26 -0800 (PST) References: <528EA57C.6000307@mayfco.com> <26805228D183EF4E9C6F4499BB55B05147D442C6@CINMBCNA10.e2k.ad.ge.com> <528F6511.7090702@mayfco.com> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 09:27:26 -0500 From: Tom Parker To: drmayf Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Another Question...Entertainment / Navigation System Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Larry, I have an Alpine Stereo Radio (Model CDE 103BT if it matters...) in the Kitty that can do most of what you want (I think... hope...). I mounted the front speakers in the side recesses, the rear speakers on the baggage tray. It works well except the car noise overwhelms the sound system unless I really turn it up (which works fine tuned to an "oldies" station...). And I carry a Garmin that sticks to the windshield if I need driving directions... and a smartphone which can do most stuff as long as the sun isn't shining on it... There's room for a "Tray" in ahead of the shifter if you need space for toys... Tom '67 Mark 2 On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Larry Mayfield wrote: > was there something silly in the question I asked? I love my sirius xm, my > blue tooth phone and nav systems. I was actually hoping that one of you > had installed something like that in your cars and I could get a jump on > searching for one I like for after market install, but I guess not. > > larry > > ______________________________ > drmayf > Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. > 204.913 mph flying mile > 210.779 mph exit speed > > On 11/22/2013 5:40 AM, Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light) wrote: > >> I have a very high-end sound system in my Tiger: >> >> Music source: Shell V-Power 94, Sunoco Ultra 93, BP Amoco Ultimate 93 >> Pre-amp: Holley 670 Street Avenger >> Amplifier: Ford 289 with 331 stroker kit >> Speakers: Magnaflow 11224 >> >> Any questions? >> > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941@ > gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 22 07:33:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C0B840414 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 07:33:22 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from exprod5og105.obsmtp.com (exprod5og105.obsmtp.com [64.18.0.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3EA4403F0 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 07:31:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from cinmlip14.e2k.ad.ge.com ([12.71.149.1]) (using TLSv1) by exprod5ob105.postini.com ([64.18.4.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUo9qWgBiGrBkuZ/Hfr3R32XZmnOMaLwf@postini.com; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 06:29:47 PST Received: from unknown (HELO ALPMBHT01.e2k.ad.ge.com) ([3.159.19.194]) by cinmlip14.e2k.ad.ge.com with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 22 Nov 2013 09:29:45 -0500 Received: from CINMBAPD04.e2k.ad.ge.com (3.159.212.70) by ALPMBHT01.e2k.ad.ge.com (3.159.19.194) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.146.0; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 09:29:44 -0500 Received: from CINMBCNA10.e2k.ad.ge.com ([169.254.4.4]) by CINMBAPD04.e2k.ad.ge.com ([169.254.10.45]) with mapi id 14.03.0146.000; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 09:29:44 -0500 From: "Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light)" To: "drmayf@mayfco.com" , "stubrennan@comcast.net" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Another Question...Entertainment / Navigation System Thread-Index: AQHO54fuxm3msi5Q5UixS6sP3eVgVpoxQrVg Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 14:29:43 +0000 References: <528EA57C.6000307@mayfco.com> <1042935268.149552.1385125439310.JavaMail.root@comcast.net> <528F5DE0.8020801@mayfco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [3.159.212.193] Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Another Question...Entertainment / Navigation System Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net OK, on a serious note, I adapted a standard bracket to hang a Garmin just under the dash pad. It is held on with two little C-clamps underneath so no cutting/damage involved, and is wired to the solenoid with an in-line fuse. I used generic parts found in most El Cheapo Auto Parts stores. The most useful thing about it is giving me an accurate reading of my speed. As for music, my Tigers, like my motorcycles, are my therapy time away from the daily clatter of the Human Stain so I prefer no sound track. However, on long trips I do listen and use good isolation earbuds like the Shure SE315s plugged into the iPhone, they are excellent for damping out the roar when required (35+dB), and the fidelity is quite good for open car usage. The ambient noise in a Tiger at 70 mph is well over 95dBs and worse with the soft top up, at least according to my sound meter, so a high quality sound system seems a bit useless in the car. Also, I did not want to commit to drilling holes and other such damage to the interior. Bugz -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 8:37 AM To: stubrennan@comcast.net Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Another Question...Entertainment / Navigation System Aahh, well... twas a serious question.... larry ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 22 07:48:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 831CE42F54 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 07:48:46 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d08.mx.aol.com (omr-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.207]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0654140454 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 07:48:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.9]) by omr-d08.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 0CD76700441EA for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 09:47:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-dqa001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dqa001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.211.193]) by mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id C006DE00008A for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 09:47:24 -0500 (EST) From: Rollright@aol.com Full-name: Rollright Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 09:47:24 -0500 (EST) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1385131645; bh=f7nQ7wLTSPvrep7iETTzKcDY/4LuettoeTHf7voW39k=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=YqnLcHWGMy3405i0deOFtThEWWH/Wgn4IiJRdj2nAYDb48G1YVXRTWzJODqV2H7Vs pyjLFATY3PE/28J8zKVZ5+gV5kau8537815ZIz9Kk/STBtazK1yd8btktc5VzaA1Xp Io1B4T5PjcENuaIkfDxGrcbYaHIigtItDy3hz8jo= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d2909528f6e7c0e2e Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Clear Hooters, genepadgett Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Subj: Clear Hooters, genepadgett Gene, I'm sorry to hear so few people responded to your question, but...after thinking about it a bit, I have a few observations: 1) over the years, our 50 year-old horns get dodgy in operation. If most are like me, I've had both out my workbench, whacked 'em, adjusted the current adjustment screw, and whacked 'ed 'em again. 2) on reinstallation, as they could be reinstalled in either side with no ill effects, I never gave any thought to 'handing'. Mounting bolt point on the horn is in the center of the reverse side of the conchoidal horn structure. 3) though the L and R are the same size and shape, they are mirror images of each other. i.e. one "coils" to the left and one coils to the right. In sum, only someone that has owned their car from new, and can attest to NEVER having had the horns out, could give you an answer. I personally know of no-one in this situation. Best regards, Jim Armstrong Mk1A Today's Topics: 1. Re: Clear Hooters (genepadgett@comcast.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 03:28:10 +0000 (UTC) From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: Gary Winblad , Ron Fraser Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clear Hooters Message-ID: <157196090.4635313.1385004490935.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.co mcast.net> Gary, Ron, and Jim, Thanks for taking the time to look and share how your cars are set up. Judging from the limited response, the vast majority of Tiger owners must no longer have these horns on their cars. It was not a critical question, but interesting to me and thanks for caring enough to respond. Gene ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 19:39:24 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Waybright To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] Chris Harris racing @ Goodwood with cameo by a LeMans Tiger Message-ID: <1385005164.22380.YahooMailNeo@web121901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I've thoroughly enjoyed pretty much every video Chris Harris has on Youtube and this one is even better with a couple shots of a LeMans Tiger running Goodwood @ 5:04 and running with the Lister Jaguar that Harris is driving starting @ 8:54. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6x2RZB4O6s&feature=youtu.be&a Stephen Waybright ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 07:40:57 +0000 (UTC) From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: Stephen Waybright Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Chris Harris racing @ Goodwood with cameo by a LeMans Tiger Message-ID: <1719183418.4637795.1385019657007.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.c omcast.net> Thanks Stephen, very very enjoyable. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Waybright" To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 9:39:24 PM Subject: [Tigers] Chris Harris racing @ Goodwood with cameo by a LeMans Tiger I've thoroughly enjoyed pretty much every video Chris Harris has on Youtube and this one is even better with a couple shots of a LeMans Tiger running Goodwood @ 5:04 and running with the Lister Jaguar that Harris is driving starting @ 8:54. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6x2RZB4O6s&feature=youtu.be&a Stephen Waybright _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Tigers mailing list Tigers@autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers End of Tigers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 378 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 22 08:07:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09D9B4307C for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 08:07:10 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm27-vm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm27-vm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.216.149]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CDBF94042C for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 08:07:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.137.12.63] by nm27.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2013 15:05:47 -0000 Received: from [98.137.12.50] by tm8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2013 15:05:47 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1065.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2013 15:05:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 36531 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Nov 2013 15:05:47 -0000 s=s1024; t=1385132747; bh=lAkhbeweMjZII2oYCciVFr2w7QSQUsHZBCsKtuLDX38=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=g9w5xFJt2xyoPaOFyLxntDKhKIwVvX6oZuj1P6mXi+TQg+JZewPNDiLhA0oDPI1dZh0cV+JjGpc1kYpE8GmMJ8lx5/b590bDfnvv6DL3QTzSDclQpeNEBdrinAf4ttH5tMIM19t7TTu2kldi8gpV/emdBIl88AsA+kiUndmgT5I= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=f6TYvWzvmp7ofx4LyYi52ec7VYrgl9Ugn2qj2GIF9Q8Ad4wYF+xnIbPbyV1h+12EXan6jOYDqluKeM7NGQ4lkNK4hcnqrxnmJ5fjq39AnGWcBxXBQPOLyuXrBKCKxvFoq9E1of1H4a8wlc5loAkCRTPNjvrdGKu4rhKPT0Ygems=; 1fz9d.NCrp1QGJZPNhCFc_vQk5.oTnR8U15Kydp8fmyd8_jzHinZf8gFWICD 08rJ1KWHM2TSq3hfZ99cowkZHLXeDVULPqDiYYN_GPOuYpGI3NGTLDvuLzzY QPzB2lsR6es6qdPp__2emnizsq_FB6qpjGBGNgWeeJVqRV8gTCk6tRj06Ugs bDmbCILC5UYLW5HxfL1n6orwgeo8eK87BPNQgURFZOjR1wDc2C59aLY_fK4j miH2.OxlgiHj6AmzNlLLVyv35todq.i0CVxi9w8Et2s2Y_lO6xmXUpyzUknJ fLOTun2Lt4YduEuoK8YCtJn8KKGlmvNB9caRXZclym2CmsuQiUczEmnPa9Ob yovT1Lg6cZfAZ70EFuzMRszT_fV5VziIqLVSLEHGyI7qd4lkPF0G0Kawra7G 97GSKE3zF50BUsHiNtcENLF8sWU4pJTk3i8Z2mqhYy4d6C3uACdHnzl6XYG2 EmgZBpiCGDRDurquAU0GZuLsZ9IOKUk.lbQjXL.U_KGOmgzy4MgXV0f8fiMe I1SaUCRoUeWUjkYcF Received: from [170.139.252.252] by web164702.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 07:05:47 PST Q2FuIGFueW9uZSBhZHZpc2UgYXMgdG8gdGhlIGNvcnJlY3QgY29sb3Igb2YgZ3JheSBhbmQgd2hpY2ggcGFydHMgdXRpbGl6ZSB0aGUgY29sb3IgZ3JheT8KQ29udmVydGlibGUgdG9wIGZyYW1lLCB0b3AgaGVhZGVyIHJhaWwsIHNlYXQgdHJhY2tzIGFuZCBzZWF0IHRvcCBhbmQgYm90dG9tIGZyYW1lc8KgLSBhcmUgYWxsIHRoZXNlIGdyYXkgYW5kIGFueSBvdGhlciBwYXJ0cyBub3QgbGlzdGVkPwrCoApSZWdhcmRzCkpvZWwgTWFydGluATABAQEB Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 07:05:47 -0800 (PST) From: Joel Martin To: Tiger List Serve Subject: [Tigers] Convertible top frame and seat parts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Can anyone advise as to the correct color of gray and which parts utilize the color gray? Convertible top frame, top header rail, seat tracks and seat top and bottom frames - are all these gray and any other parts not listed? Regards Joel Martin _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 22 08:36:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87E7C43072 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 08:36:49 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F007242F2C for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 08:36:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004959.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id rAMFZ2e7020445; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 07:35:25 -0800 Received: by dm0224.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - d1a6a208) id dm0224.528310f8.106a25; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 07:35:23 -0800 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.140.77]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:35:16 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Joel Martin'" , "'Tiger List Serve'" Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 10:35:12 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac7nlFlRg1J+5isyTaSIPnVt4ZBrjAAAkKgg engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.14,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-11-22_05:2013-11-22,2013-11-22,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1311220096 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Convertible top frame and seat parts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Joel I don't have a cross # to the original gray paint - not sure if it is listed anywhere. I used Dayton OEM-Kote - 2X710 Machine Gray - Acrylic enamel. I think I bought that at Graingers. The only disadvantage with enamel is you need to let it dry for a long time or bake it before applying contact cement. Seems to me a number of owners have powder coated the seat parts. There is an article on seat restoration on Tigers United web site that might have those details. I'm not sure about other seat part color without looking. I think the seat track is natural metal - no paint. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joel Martin Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 10:06 AM To: Tiger List Serve Subject: [Tigers] Convertible top frame and seat parts Can anyone advise as to the correct color of gray and which parts utilize the color gray? Convertible top frame, top header rail, seat tracks and seat top and bottom frames - are all these gray and any other parts not listed? Regards Joel Martin _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 22 09:05:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C5DC43071 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 09:05:03 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d08.mx.aol.com (omr-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.207]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18BBA40414 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 09:03:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.203]) by omr-d08.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id C12477004465C; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 11:02:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mlc001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mlc001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.207]) by mtaomg-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 9859DE000081; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 11:02:03 -0500 (EST) From: MWood24020@aol.com Full-name: MWood24020 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 11:02:03 -0500 (EST) To: rfraser@bluefrog.com, jmartiniii@yahoo.com, Tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1385136123; bh=tkq8Dis1fl+OJPOabR6vy8nRq/2DgdUC/SDiLuw09wk=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=I1sJdQRIMZf3NRy+8InwQDJiuIPbZgqpgatIKyKHYwhOPjbJeRy4ZgZSoj4pW3eJW J0AeK1T63E/jS7XIi/4+QthmIHRtcmTmvuu0W+eZaZLlfSO+LfQt3OUbTocFxpgO5G 9zOvtBcyybX8ZJaBd9lWw081ofqiO/K89Cgnak3E= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33cb528f7ffb56a9 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Convertible top frame and seat parts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Understanding the original color was gray, black is much less visually obtrusive ;-) (concours participants disregard aesthetic bias) In a message dated 11/22/2013 7:35:53 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, rfraser@bluefrog.com writes: Joel I don't have a cross # to the original gray paint - not sure if it is listed anywhere. I used Dayton OEM-Kote - 2X710 Machine Gray - Acrylic enamel. I think I bought that at Graingers. The only disadvantage with enamel is you need to let it dry for a long time or bake it before applying contact cement. Seems to me a number of owners have powder coated the seat parts. There is an article on seat restoration on Tigers United web site that might have those details. I'm not sure about other seat part color without looking. I think the seat track is natural metal - no paint. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joel Martin Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 10:06 AM To: Tiger List Serve Subject: [Tigers] Convertible top frame and seat parts Can anyone advise as to the correct color of gray and which parts utilize the color gray? Convertible top frame, top header rail, seat tracks and seat top and bottom frames - are all these gray and any other parts not listed? Regards Joel Martin _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mwood24020@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 22 09:51:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AE9643071 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 09:51:10 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173021pub.verizon.net (vms173021pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47C3642F47 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 09:51:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from optiplex3301 ([unknown] [108.47.114.228]) by vms173021.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MWO003HTC2TBKE0@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 10:49:41 -0600 (CST) From: "Thomas Witt" To: References: <115bf.5c213452.3fc0c87c@aol.com> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 08:49:42 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clear Hooters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I do not know what the factory installation was of the low/hi horns. However, there is some (probably very, very) minor logic to what I'll present: The lower the frequency of a sound, the more unidirectional it is. The higher the frequency the more directional it is. So, assuming the purpose for the horn is to alert say... someone running into the street (as an example) it would make sense to have lower frequency horn on the drivers side (USA). The reason being the added side distance to the person would better be heard by a lower frequency. That reason is probably ridiculously nit picky on my part, but the only reason I can see for having a determination for horn placement. And, if it were actually true then the country of shipment would have different horn locations based on what side of the road was driven on. If the horns have different physical structures (I don't know) then I can see the need to place them as shipped for concourse accuracy. On the other hand I don't ever recall a frequency spectrum analyzer ever being used to determine judging points at a car show. It may be there was no determination at the factory. I'm not saying it is wrong to strive for accuracy, only that it might not matter. I hope you do find an accurate answer. If so please report back because now I'm just curious. This subject does make me wonder if the infamous "Road Runner" horn(s) were of different frequency or they just had a slight, overlapping delay of the same frequency. Tom _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 22 10:52:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9FB043074 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 10:52:57 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BFF542F47 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 10:52:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.44]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id sfY81m0060x6nqc01hra5H; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 17:51:34 +0000 Received: from sz0058.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id shrZ1m00W2xZMJ48YhrZcx; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 17:51:33 +0000 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 17:51:33 +0000 (UTC) From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: Joel Martin s=q20121106; t=1385142694; bh=huJL42q9x9LN5n01kcQN9raM8+1o162HTsc91OmVBLQ=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=ZTsi7AbRTI1Vq0Kt4UB8OnC+4brl59flrpbe8bQUbi9o36ClSKju3mxFlBM1firQb WxUzcXZQdNJJbZ0GTFy5QWkX+jtVViawN1GzHuNIMI5fVtx0N0sTpw9F80KHR3jgVQ /FUArxLIb715U7HhfWMlFwlnixVL3i8tOFXIe2BTPOkeGn8nnS+WRTVz3xyJhndxp8 RG721KMsmWavsmySrAOG/dTXLC6UMmfksQIOwcmJth4+VlD9tCYP5qfs3g3FsXQNaR 0ptrnps/PCceexUVvk5xWX0IpiyNmtbGNIK7Xg1XK7SGjF8KS5iGZR8vZVTv0FXmiD UmqrCxMR/KFbg== Cc: Tiger List Serve Subject: Re: [Tigers] Convertible top frame and seat parts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net When I replaced my seat bottom cushions and repaired one of the frames I went looking for a similar gray paint to what was there. I had no luck with that. The gray from the factory seems to have a bit of a blue tint to it compared to any gray that I found readily available. As near as I can tell it is very similar to a slightly bluish gray I once saw on some old printing presses. So maybe there is an industrial type paint that would be closer than what the local hardware or auto parts type store sells. I ended up using Krylon Battleship Gray, part number RTA 9206, which was close enough for my purposes. It is an enamel however. Claims to not need a primer and eliminates rust. No affiliation. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Martin" To: "Tiger List Serve" Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 9:05:47 AM Subject: [Tigers] Convertible top frame and seat parts Can anyone advise as to the correct color of gray and which parts utilize the color gray? Convertible top frame, top header rail, seat tracks and seat top and bottom frames - are all these gray and any other parts not listed? Regards Joel Martin _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 22 13:24:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDD3043074 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 13:24:48 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87EBB42F4B for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 13:24:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.73]) by qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id seVY1m00h1afHeLA2kNrNU; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 20:22:51 +0000 Received: from sz0058.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id skNq1m00L2yr1eL8dkNqK7; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 20:22:51 +0000 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 20:22:50 +0000 (UTC) From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: Thomas Witt s=q20121106; t=1385151771; bh=EvO41moGIRMQtRDI6sgBbY1+Mj4uSgoqjWjFvkvsyZs=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=XDGVB4AkfM0BU6dv6jg59MmrLKoO1ruGbRZZBCOETAHgWfBeohDoIktPsfRIK6O7E 332eY1Ep+TkhJWbQRs3nKAJXyg+lQH08iXWE2x4VfC+fJaFgGg5FtJhi8gbSIZFCJ7 H/s/vWemSl/5oymBIbkls2nXqq3Nl2YPqueIbgsklUy6kFH4hkGH0/ztTCMz4+fM2D 4ehf6BwfTBseY1x88NCQiP6nLdBshXWQ1R3vVTSOjPP3EyDVVXZlS8UhNBgjFUXCfO StT0EKTGhNZOM7dimhZsFvtUZHAbvfSIPcDAZCxKxDIfcc2vOC42I2qJXWAriJrosg bKhMR4w8CMKgQ== Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clear Hooters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tom, Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this. I agree with everything you have said. Unless there is/was a federal saftey standard for this sort of thing, as a practical matter I cannot see much difference either. I like your reasoning regarding the wider dispersion of the lower frequency horn. It is a theoretical reason for handing, although at the frequencies involved it may not make much difference from a practical sense. It also occurred to me that given the RHD world from which the cars came, they were setup for context, if a distinction was made at all. As an aside, it would be curious to know if the Alpine owners have noticed anything meaningful on the placement. I cannot see this being a concours issue either, although it would be easy enough to check without a frequency analyzer. The lip of each horn has either a fairly large "L" or "H" stamped on the front bottom part of the opening and easily can be seen through the grill opening. Maybe next time I am at a national event I will make my own little survey. FWIW, physically, the horns are mirror images of each other with spirals/snail trumpets that square off at the front. In any event, I am just moving on. Thanks again, Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Witt" To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 10:49:42 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clear Hooters I do not know what the factory installation was of the low/hi horns. However, there is some (probably very, very) minor logic to what I'll present: The lower the frequency of a sound, the more unidirectional it is. The higher the frequency the more directional it is. So, assuming the purpose for the horn is to alert say... someone running into the street (as an example) it would make sense to have lower frequency horn on the drivers side (USA). The reason being the added side distance to the person would better be heard by a lower frequency. That reason is probably ridiculously nit picky on my part, but the only reason I can see for having a determination for horn placement. And, if it were actually true then the country of shipment would have different horn locations based on what side of the road was driven on. If the horns have different physical structures (I don't know) then I can see the need to place them as shipped for concourse accuracy. On the other hand I don't ever recall a frequency spectrum analyzer ever being used to determine judging points at a car show. It may be there was no determination at the factory. I'm not saying it is wrong to strive for accuracy, only that it might not matter. I hope you do find an accurate answer. If so please report back because now I'm just curious. This subject does make me wonder if the infamous "Road Runner" horn(s) were of different frequency or they just had a slight, overlapping delay of the same frequency. Tom _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 22 13:26:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DF7743059 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 13:26:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from smtp.ufl.edu (smtp-prod02.osg.ufl.edu [128.227.74.218]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B51A242F4B for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 13:26:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from UFEXCH-CASHT05.ad.ufl.edu ([10.253.27.146]) by smtp.ufl.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/3.0.0) with ESMTP id rAMKOmTx025730 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:24:53 -0500 Received: from UFEXCH-CASHT06.ad.ufl.edu (10.253.27.147) by UFEXCH-CASHT05.ad.ufl.edu (10.253.27.146) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:24:50 -0500 Received: from AHC-CAS02.ad.ufl.edu (10.18.251.60) by UFEXCH-CASHT06.ad.ufl.edu (10.253.27.147) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:24:51 -0500 Received: from AHC-MB04.ad.ufl.edu ([fe80::9cf9:a9b0:5cb2:e988]) by AHC-CAS02.ad.ufl.edu ([fe80::10ae:8828:1dde:b745%19]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:24:50 -0500 From: "Bates,Robert E Jr" To: "Tigers@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: Convertible top frame and seat parts Thread-Index: Ac7nwOSUpHg26Kb1QCSg6T6XZcHgdg== Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 20:24:49 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.241.106.146] x-tm-as-product-ver: SMEX-10.2.0.3176-7.000.1014-20312.001 x-tm-as-result: No--34.777500-8.000000-31 x-tm-as-user-approved-sender: No x-tm-as-user-blocked-sender: No engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.14,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-11-22_07:2013-11-22,2013-11-22,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1311220163 Subject: [Tigers] Convertible top frame and seat parts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I took an unmolested seat part to my local Ace Hardware. They provided a perfect match with their D43-6 Gray's River. $11 a quart. This is an enamel which you will have to spray, but the color is right-on and the paint is very durable. Thanks. Bob Bates _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 22 14:15:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04A5E4307D for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 14:15:50 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from ch1outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (ch1ehsobe004.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.181.184]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A252242F4B for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 14:15:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail44-ch1-R.bigfish.com (10.43.68.228) by CH1EHSOBE008.bigfish.com (10.43.70.58) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.22; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 21:14:25 +0000 Received: from mail44-ch1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail44-ch1-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FE8EE0369 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 21:14:25 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail44-ch1: domain of dynastream.com designates 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail44-ch1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail44-ch1 (MessageSwitch) id 1385154862551725_11073; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 21:14:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CH1EHSMHS023.bigfish.com (snatpool3.int.messaging.microsoft.com [10.43.68.227]) by mail44-ch1.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81D4C2C004E for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 21:14:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by CH1EHSMHS023.bigfish.com (10.43.70.23) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.16.227.3; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 21:14:21 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT06.ad.garmin.com (10.2.0.28) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.223) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:14:53 -0600 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB05.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.6.68]) by olawpa-exht06.ad.garmin.com ([10.2.0.28]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:14:08 -0600 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Clear Hooters Thread-Index: AQHO56Lf7I/4R6wwLEycnmHs7x0s25oyFooA//+mx0A= Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 21:14:07 +0000 References: <5C058EE279DE4BDA9C4D2CB9656AA9A0@optiplex3301> <743009628.4669687.1385151770856.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.5.143.129] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clear Hooters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I'm in the 'no original Clear Hooters installation' camp, so I've resisted commenting up to now. I did at some point acquire some that had the original bracketry attached, so it was possible to try the horns on each side and see what made sense. If I installed them one way, the trumpets faced straight forward. That might seem to be a good way to get good sound, but then I realized that they'd also make great bug catchers that way. So I installed them the other way, where the trumpets are canted inward about 60 degrees. Then I installed horn-hole blockoff plates but I made up mounts that went off the blockoff plates, that preserved the original angles - they just push the horns ahead by a couple of inches. I did find that it was necessary to take the horns apart, clean up the points, and then reassemble them and adjust the current to spec, to make them work reliably... and that I had to install a relay to actuate the horns because the horn ring circuit on the steering wheel had way too much resistance to actually properly drive the horns. Now, they are good... I can look to see what I have on which side, but I can't vouch for originality. Theo ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. Any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this communication (including attachments) by someone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Thank you. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 22 15:28:29 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0633842EEC for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:28:29 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CB4B403D5 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:27:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta22.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.73]) by qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id smFL1m0051ap0As59mSgem; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 22:26:40 +0000 Received: from OwnerTHINK ([66.30.32.254]) by omta22.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id smSf1m00v5UyWVN3imSgwK; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 22:26:40 +0000 From: "Gary Fish" To: Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 17:26:37 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac7n0eiA570jkWH7QYqEeJrX0mnmJQ== Content-Language: en-us s=q20121106; t=1385159200; bh=tgTnMgEPFejuc0pKCT3QS5j2/CyruoFHHBokj8BeF3I=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=o1MhWwwuGa9Zu9PRYtTRT3HA/4CcY21zDhMisbLcvJJq/3NGJG8qMkQ2oDAbW6d4j 7yZjC9mA92gIS3q7rpx3pEJVu+tMh/voXK1WSBGth8nmxRA0nJLvBPAluo46mKw9l3 +AEO3fBboS0dna9iC0khu1v+Yg/PfqJcIRfHOezQv99z5JgUFSOlG9u0li0izblCqZ TrSLjk0QvqtTFmAMTK2jZPIlZJwIChNL+fH7YtTY5NfrMSdRvjWSfDjIgumzSGRnk8 u9b6l1MAH+8JDgmxh+gtDEBhp42F3swSpbAnyIPnbkESoXjPOXvAjO1E+u74tefCrd RnhKO0HJlhzGA== Subject: [Tigers] Tiger article Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net There is an article in Hemming's Sports and Exotics Cars about Andy Rooney's Tiger. It is several pages with pictures. Gary 1265 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 22 16:01:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35CA94307F for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 16:01:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA0D440042 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 16:01:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004960.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id rAMMxfPC008478; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 14:59:51 -0800 Received: by dm0213.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 43ca9d92) id dm0213.52831111.11186b; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 14:59:07 -0800 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 14:58:59 -0800 From: Larry Mayfield Organization: Mayfield Motorsport User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 To: Tom Parker References: <528EA57C.6000307@mayfco.com> <26805228D183EF4E9C6F4499BB55B05147D442C6@CINMBCNA10.e2k.ad.ge.com> <528F6511.7090702@mayfco.com> engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.14,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-11-22_07:2013-11-22,2013-11-22,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1311220201 Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Another Question...Entertainment / Navigation System Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Yup, that's the kind of info I wuz looking for. I will investigate... and thanks! larry ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed On 11/22/2013 6:27 AM, Tom Parker wrote: > Larry, > > I have an Alpine Stereo Radio (Model CDE 103BT if it matters...) in > the Kitty that can do most of what you want (I think... hope...). I > mounted the front speakers in the side recesses, the rear speakers on > the baggage tray. It works well except the car noise overwhelms the > sound system unless I really turn it up (which works fine tuned to an > "oldies" station...). And I carry a Garmin that sticks to the > windshield if I need > driving directions... and a smartphone which can do most stuff as > long as the sun isn't shining on it... > > There's room for a "Tray" in ahead of the shifter if you need space > for toys... > > Tom > '67 Mark 2 > > > On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Larry Mayfield > was there something silly in the question I asked? I love my > sirius xm, my blue tooth phone and nav systems. I was actually > hoping that one of you had installed something like that in your > cars and I could get a jump on searching for one I like for after > market install, but I guess not. > > larry > > ______________________________ > drmayf > Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. > 204.913 mph flying mile > 210.779 mph exit speed > > On 11/22/2013 5:40 AM, Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light) wrote: > > I have a very high-end sound system in my Tiger: > > Music source: Shell V-Power 94, Sunoco Ultra 93, BP Amoco > Ultimate 93 > Pre-amp: Holley 670 Street Avenger > Amplifier: Ford 289 with 331 stroker kit > Speakers: Magnaflow 11224 > > Any questions? > > _______________________________________________ > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 22 16:16:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 943C243089 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 16:16:31 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from db9outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (mail-db9lp0250.outbound.messaging.microsoft.com [213.199.154.250]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D30B42F4B for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 16:16:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail90-db9-R.bigfish.com (10.174.16.239) by DB9EHSOBE026.bigfish.com (10.174.14.89) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.22; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 23:15:05 +0000 Received: from mail90-db9 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail90-db9-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67415C069E; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 23:15:05 +0000 (UTC) H:edgetransport.garmin.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received-SPF: pass (mail90-db9: domain of dynastream.com designates 204.77.163.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=204.77.163.11; envelope-from=Theo.Smit@dynastream.com; helo=edgetransport.garmin.com ;t.garmin.com ; Received: from mail90-db9 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail90-db9 (MessageSwitch) id 1385162102508135_6610; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 23:15:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from DB9EHSMHS027.bigfish.com (unknown [10.174.16.249]) by mail90-db9.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7494340068; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 23:15:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edgetransport.garmin.com (204.77.163.11) by DB9EHSMHS027.bigfish.com (10.174.14.37) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.16.227.3; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 23:15:02 +0000 Received: from OLAWPA-EXHT06.ad.garmin.com (10.2.0.28) by edgetransport.garmin.com (192.168.18.220) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 17:11:54 -0600 Received: from OLAWPA-EXMB05.ad.garmin.com ([169.254.6.68]) by olawpa-exht06.ad.garmin.com ([10.2.0.28]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 17:12:13 -0600 From: "Smit, Theo" To: "drmayf@mayfco.com" , Tom Parker Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Another Question...Entertainment / Navigation System Thread-Index: AQHO54iAU41DvbGf3ECFRr167AIQNJoxrcyAgAAFpgCAAI7tgP//naxw Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 23:12:12 +0000 References: <528EA57C.6000307@mayfco.com> <26805228D183EF4E9C6F4499BB55B05147D442C6@CINMBCNA10.e2k.ad.ge.com> <528F6511.7090702@mayfco.com> <528FE1B3.9090308@mayfco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.5.143.129] Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Another Question...Entertainment / Navigation System Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Larry, I don't currently have a stereo in the Tiger (need to shush the exhaust system and possibly my driving habits some before a stereo would be more than futile) but this thing caught my eye yesterday: http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Car/AppRadio/AppRadio+3+%28SPH-DA210%2 9 Reasonably priced for a full-screen double DIN unit (it's on for $350 at our local FutureShop), integrates with phones, and has map support apps and whatnot. No direct GPS integration that I can see but you can possibly do that through a suitable phone. Cheers, Theo ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. Any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this communication (including attachments) by someone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Thank you. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 22 16:36:38 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 243AE43087 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 16:36:38 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f179.google.com (mail-ob0-f179.google.com [209.85.214.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ADD542F40 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 16:36:31 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ob0-f179.google.com with SMTP id wm4so2035377obc.10 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:35:12 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=dfcNab6wwB2cuk0I23pr7ErUPPHC4HU+zX7RDhfVys4=; b=SywbEw7Y7yTOA6zCQWx2WV68jAMCVk+F050xDY+aWjjcpgbNMrXUtn4Iz2wZZ0jYoJ Ws72MfziORZSEFenKrD1pUlzwwWtuG6P4XUJLWz5dBl2aItUSwir9oGt6PziL3KPFjgL QfHvNAh6kSYlsuftc3iue3auabP/d47z4L63/u7RgLi+kKoarpIXWSqjbWzMPdKvtYB8 mJ2cwhAGdxl5Vo3kYyXddJMJgYkSpbEEn+MjZaaPwMPJ2UF9syrezuUVrsfg7P7fR/0o JYj9yumEko5e0ViZUekliEFc/DPgMpZBdcHn6sptKNVUPmv9tvxrp9zhhz/13ECbetcG lpQg== n9mr8688867obl.33.1385163312795; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:35:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.34.196 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:35:12 -0800 (PST) References: <1385132747.8630.YahooMailNeo@web164702.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 10:35:12 +1100 From: michael king To: Joel Martin Cc: Tiger List Serve Subject: Re: [Tigers] Convertible top frame and seat parts Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I believe the colour is machinery grey (it does have a slight bluish tint to it) Jan Sevrities from the SAOCA will have an accurate sample for it. I might be able to get some codes from guys here who have matched it up. On 23 November 2013 02:05, Joel Martin wrote: > Can anyone advise as to the correct color of gray and which parts utilize > the > color gray? > Convertible top frame, top header rail, seat tracks and seat top > and bottom frames - are all these gray and any other parts not listed? > > Regards > Joel Martin > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com > > > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 22 16:44:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28F4B430AB for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 16:44:44 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f179.google.com (mail-ob0-f179.google.com [209.85.214.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90E3D42F54 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 16:42:28 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ob0-f179.google.com with SMTP id wm4so2034403obc.38 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:41:09 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Bs43QDwoybYdvN6GenuMUenI8ZOfoYkZC/WKe99RDBg=; b=N6rLDkV+kHTHauI/MkWFsCjijK8bti4F/0JT7PA66oyNTRa7LkUuYwWMn+G2xQgBSs 2C8l2SqYAJ/2Zgb11cit9rEaToUBn0Rz06cvyFvCsb07NDZ2CMZHNbGW81IqaQ3z/Pyz Ew8V+sR6SkW4C3eEOPyy2muPTHD4GqdjTE1yoX1ppouTJsPPZc/9gXazf7bCRiEyMkKB MraTIsQD+P7E/1wf+5P+xGNZjCfks+tkIP0LoKwfg+7StOSqTni9mcVKzSNiWRCNld25 SuoM3smdrxPtk+dG5E5f32HXCLjc2Ps+h0goYK2pos8ZjpKacsrnOvN/vOoGferTa4S2 uyEA== s9mr13047323obd.15.1385163669818; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:41:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.34.196 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:41:09 -0800 (PST) References: <528EA57C.6000307@mayfco.com> <26805228D183EF4E9C6F4499BB55B05147D442C6@CINMBCNA10.e2k.ad.ge.com> <528F6511.7090702@mayfco.com> Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 10:41:09 +1100 From: michael king To: drmayf Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Another Question...Entertainment / Navigation System Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mayf, I have some pictures somewhere of a guy in Australia who made a console under the dash and installed one... not my choice.. and by the sounds of the comedic responses.. not that of many here (they do look out of place in our cars) I will email you the picture soon. I did however say to someone the other day... if you wanted a sat nav system you could use the original style radio console and mount it behind the speakwr grill and have the grill on a hinge so that it flipped out of the way and you have the sat nav.. a bit james bond.. but at least the car wont look like a pimp my ride special when you pull up. :) On 23 November 2013 01:07, Larry Mayfield wrote: > was there something silly in the question I asked? I love my sirius xm, my > blue tooth phone and nav systems. I was actually hoping that one of you > had installed something like that in your cars and I could get a jump on > searching for one I like for after market install, but I guess not. > > > larry > > ______________________________ > drmayf > Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. > 204.913 mph flying mile > 210.779 mph exit speed > > On 11/22/2013 5:40 AM, Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light) wrote: > >> I have a very high-end sound system in my Tiger: >> >> Music source: Shell V-Power 94, Sunoco Ultra 93, BP Amoco Ultimate 93 >> Pre-amp: Holley 670 Street Avenger >> Amplifier: Ford 289 with 331 stroker kit >> Speakers: Magnaflow 11224 >> >> Any questions? >> > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@ > gmail.com > > > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 22 16:52:51 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DBC9430BB for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 16:52:51 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from ent-mocinrl09.gannett.com (ent-mocinrl09.gannett.com [159.54.39.15]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6DF9430AE for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 16:52:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from ENT-MOCEXHC02.us.ad.gannett.com (unknown [172.20.1.48]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ent-mocinrl09.gannett.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A9BA39DFFF; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 18:51:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com ([fe80::5d98:601a:f044:d018]) by ENT-MOCEXHC02.us.ad.gannett.com ([172.20.1.48]) with mapi; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 18:51:16 -0500 From: "Teepen, Jere" To: michael king , drmayf Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 18:51:14 -0500 Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Another Question...Entertainment / Navigation System Thread-Index: Ac7n3KRQ4ZrgHCk1QKmLxrtQWvaHfQAAMxmQ References: <528EA57C.6000307@mayfco.com> <26805228D183EF4E9C6F4499BB55B05147D442C6@CINMBCNA10.e2k.ad.ge.com> <528F6511.7090702@mayfco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Another Question...Entertainment / Navigation System Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Or use the navigation system on your smart phone. That is assuming everyone has one. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of michael king Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 3:41 PM To: drmayf Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Another Question...Entertainment / Navigation System Mayf, I have some pictures somewhere of a guy in Australia who made a console under the dash and installed one... not my choice.. and by the sounds of the comedic responses.. not that of many here (they do look out of place in our cars) I will email you the picture soon. I did however say to someone the other day... if you wanted a sat nav system you could use the original style radio console and mount it behind the speakwr grill and have the grill on a hinge so that it flipped out of the way and you have the sat nav.. a bit james bond.. but at least the car wont look like a pimp my ride special when you pull up. :) On 23 November 2013 01:07, Larry Mayfield wrote: > was there something silly in the question I asked? I love my sirius > xm, my blue tooth phone and nav systems. I was actually hoping that > one of you had installed something like that in your cars and I could > get a jump on searching for one I like for after market install, but I guess not. > > > larry > > ______________________________ > drmayf > Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. > 204.913 mph flying mile > 210.779 mph exit speed _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 22 18:47:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96144430F1 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 18:47:00 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from col0-omc3-s1.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc3-s1.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.139]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83998430B0 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 18:42:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from COL129-W70 ([65.55.34.136]) by col0-omc3-s1.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 22 Nov 2013 17:40:50 -0800 From: Curt Bowland To: tigers Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 19:40:49 -0600 FILETIME=[0A4766C0:01CEE7ED] Subject: [Tigers] Alternatives Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Greetings, While the adaptation of a GPS to the Tiger has a LOT of additional benefits I went a different route. I can appreciate the additional navigation features of the commercial units as well as additional information they can provide. I purchased a Speedometer, Sunbeam in appearance, that is GPS powered. I have three different rear ends, with three different ratios and posi with disc brakes. When I want to change ratios I wheel one out and put another in. I felt the need to have a reasonably accurate speedo with whatever gear I choose to run. Also this accommodates different tire sizes as well. I think, in time, a lot of owners will want the features of either alternative for a variety of personal reasons. Anyone wanting information on a GPS Tiger speedometer feel free to contact me off line. Regards, Curt in Chicago _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 22 19:01:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADCC0430D7 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 19:01:43 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from col0-omc3-s10.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc3-s10.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.148]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A06CA430B0 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 19:00:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from COL129-W41 ([65.55.34.135]) by col0-omc3-s10.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 22 Nov 2013 17:59:02 -0800 From: Curt Bowland To: tigers Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 19:59:01 -0600 FILETIME=[952DF4A0:01CEE7EF] Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alternatives Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net From: cbowland@msn.com To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Alternatives Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 19:41:20 -0600 Greetings, While the adaptation of a GPS to the Tiger has a LOT of additional benefits I went a different route. I can appreciate the additional navigation features of the commercial units as well as additional information they can provide. I purchased a Speedometer, Sunbeam in appearance, that is GPS powered. I have three different rear ends, with three different ratios and posi with disc brakes. When I want to change ratios I wheel one out and put another in. I felt the need to have a reasonably accurate speedo with whatever gear I choose to run. Also this accommodates different tire sizes as well. I think, in time, a lot of owners will want the features of either alternative for a variety of personal reasons. Anyone wanting information on a GPS Tiger speedometer feel free to contact me off line. Regards, Curt in Chicago _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 22 19:27:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 507DC430F1 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 19:27:33 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0709C4054C for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 19:25:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([10.127.143.51]) by cdptpa-qmta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20131123001437305.VOZN6185@cdptpa-qmta04.mail.rr.com> for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2013 00:14:37 +0000 a=uxyNepwUaEovhIUyLB0i+g==:17 a=nu3oTIcILOYA:10 a=zTVDa7HKqxcA:10 a=doupyKFmAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=Ejv7qbSFnAQA:10 a=4Xu8nVhyiza0fYKhYlwA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=2hGOt3XuO0gA:10 a=btckbl6_nJQA:10 a=dqwWk-eaA-wteAlFUnEA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=gvfBO2VpoByw3OXV:21 a=uxyNepwUaEovhIUyLB0i+g==:117 Received: from [75.83.202.59] ([75.83.202.59:55649] helo=BillPC) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id E0/A2-00722-033FF825; Sat, 23 Nov 2013 00:13:36 +0000 From: "Bill Rogers" To: "Tigers" Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 16:13:26 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Clear Hooters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net You guys piqued my interest; I have an original unmolested LHD car that I have cared for since 1977. Prior to that it was purchased new by my bro-in-law and has never been hit in front. I have never removed the horns and there would have been no reason to remove them prior to my guardianship. The L horn is on the right and the H is on the left so the horns are canted inwards. A piece of information for whatever it is worth. Bill Rogers B9472703 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 22 19:34:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC3424311B for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 19:34:02 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D1C340396 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 19:28:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.52]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id sq431m00117UAYkA1qTDlb; Sat, 23 Nov 2013 02:27:13 +0000 Received: from sz0058.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id sqTC1m00X2xZMJ48ZqTCmX; Sat, 23 Nov 2013 02:27:12 +0000 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 02:27:12 +0000 (UTC) From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: Theo Smit s=q20121106; t=1385173633; bh=mVmRVLNIl2/C/UdOpd7QKrkIE8PY+kKTHEpIHe3d2ow=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=ajsUa9txav0b+FVkVyAsoP7P5Lzi3ORrs3qOlo+nOljM4jZPKtR8REpaqSDCDKAqJ MvdjkcR1INk6GLVRXK42IxLGSZfn14Q0nLG2/+uGQ8wvN6sD25JLx21rOsmtJt43Lv p+EkzyV3UATcptoTgmKla9eEyG85AD7PMimMxAcMliIjJmMG3lnKS0L8fCUbRXXBQY T5twflE4n+WPA0fxVQ6qcgS5ryW78bDw/xDD5FSkn6QRiP/MjY9NGFg++lJq+XYwbJ 6izglIgPuYtD4Jsw8lTPgoYSZMQU3xOSkGrNl561Pcu/WuCDkCqtjmsXp4E45kMfKr r4SUUikM/1pdw== Cc: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clear Hooters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks Theo, I have always found your insights very valuable. As it so happens, I broke one of the terminals off on one of my horns yesterday. Most likely a result of metal fatigue from numerous tries at alligning the wires through my home made block off plates. BTW, on my version of these plates I just made a pass-through slot for longer brackets to attach to the original mountng holes. It appears the terminals are attached by aluminum rivets. I am going to drill out all the rivets this weekend and take the horn apart and see if I can attach a home made terminal with a new rivet. You mentioned you had adjusted your horns to a current spec. I would be very interested in knowing what that number should be, as long as I am taking this one apart. Thanks, Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Theo Smit" To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 3:14:07 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clear Hooters I'm in the 'no original Clear Hooters installation' camp, so I've resisted commenting up to now. I did at some point acquire some that had the original bracketry attached, so it was possible to try the horns on each side and see what made sense. If I installed them one way, the trumpets faced straight forward. That might seem to be a good way to get good sound, but then I realized that they'd also make great bug catchers that way. So I installed them the other way, where the trumpets are canted inward about 60 degrees. Then I installed horn-hole blockoff plates but I made up mounts that went off the blockoff plates, that preserved the original angles - they just push the horns ahead by a couple of inches. I did find that it was necessary to take the horns apart, clean up the points, and then reassemble them and adjust the current to spec, to make them work reliably... and that I had to install a relay to actuate the horns because the horn ring circuit on the steering wheel had way too much resistance to actually properly drive the horns. Now, they are good... I can look to see what I have on which side, but I can't vouch for originality. Theo ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential and/or legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by reply email and delete the message. Any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this communication (including attachments) by someone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. Thank you. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 22 19:38:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 748C2430F8 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 19:38:23 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A24DB40418 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 19:38:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta18.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.74]) by qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id sqYD1m0031bwxycAFqcjku; Sat, 23 Nov 2013 02:36:43 +0000 Received: from sz0058.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.138]) by omta18.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id sqcp1m00P2yr1eL8eqcpj5; Sat, 23 Nov 2013 02:36:49 +0000 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 02:36:49 +0000 (UTC) From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: Bill Rogers s=q20121106; t=1385174203; bh=w+xyqbGYvUorBtsuY8V5T96nluHuqcbEGjtDRn6OO8I=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=dDJeLg6PoaINqDqLlfMUzVEsJVFkWmzOVRh2zot2cJS2eHjJw9GC5dOhNBMSdCW0X W08Laq7RtiHwvTuWIMUnK7QzSp6LpdHwrHwJdlIwlVvcNjAZ8ZN+L09qKyjDg9p4iw 0+lrTyXjrAucG4pQiPQodl6hq9TID84Rdla8Ikv743CWUVnZteh1b54XpqAb7pN5k6 Hm/MdO2PNKEPyHPZMHrghPC+CheN6pKMrlLMeTlbJ4LfuSXTmttgb+7xWwheLEj9UE SA/C+96KsfvNSbn2VsWNyM9dHrBjsFqbXLjm31BOzPkHSvkKnHFkZNOsTaOEmrpPoS 9fNoRWmaWaRgw== Cc: Tigers Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clear Hooters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Bill, that is indeed interesting information. You are fortunate to have such an unmolested car. And it seems that Theo's idea that they should be canted inward matches with how indeed they are installed on your car! Thanks for sharing. If I may just ask in the way of clarifying, when you say the H is on the left, would that be the LHD car's driver's side or to the left as you are looking at it from the grill opening? Thanks again, Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Rogers" To: "Tigers" Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 6:13:26 PM Subject: [Tigers] Clear Hooters You guys piqued my interest; I have an original unmolested LHD car that I have cared for since 1977. Prior to that it was purchased new by my bro-in-law and has never been hit in front. I have never removed the horns and there would have been no reason to remove them prior to my guardianship. The L horn is on the right and the H is on the left so the horns are canted inwards. A piece of information for whatever it is worth. Bill Rogers B9472703 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 22 20:18:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E10EC430FC for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 20:18:56 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from smtp-out-02.shaw.ca (smtp-out-02.shaw.ca [64.59.136.138]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 254BE42713 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 20:18:00 -0700 (MST) cv=UbGOdjJMTOnDdlSKs4VLEv47Nwxh2hlhayjdFxkzNJk= c=1 sm=1 a=BLceEmwcHowA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=07qYva9XFuPVsmUOanpuKQ==:17 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=gceyuhmBAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=uR66rFWnAHXM1UwgIcoA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=uZvyPsGTLYUA:10 a=zzi_X6U2FMKf8A_d:21 a=arFnI-ZxJi6OZQIQ:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.1.111]) ([184.64.56.176]) by smtp-out-02.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 22 Nov 2013 20:16:41 -0700 References: <67251883.4676605.1385173632812.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> From: Theo Smit Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 20:16:38 -0700 To: "genepadgett@comcast.net" Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clear Hooters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Gene, Page N27 in the workshop manual says 5 amps max. I seem to recall that I didn't have to go that far to get good sound, maybe about 3.5A for each horn. You need ear protection to do this adjustment! I drilled out the rivets that hold the cap on the casting, and after fixing things up I used some 8-32 or 10-24 screws and locknuts (I Think) to put them back together. Theo > On Nov 22, 2013, at 7:27 PM, genepadgett@comcast.net wrote: > > Thanks Theo, > > > I have always found your insights very valuable. As it so happens, I broke one of the terminals off on one of my horns yesterday. Most likely a result of metal fatigue from numerous tries at alligning the wires through my home made block off plates. BTW, on my version of these plates I just made a pass-through slot for longer brackets to attach to the original mountng holes. > > > It appears the terminals are attached by aluminum rivets. I am going to drill out all the rivets this weekend and take the horn apart and see if I can attach a home made terminal with a new rivet. You mentioned you had adjusted your horns to a current spec. I would be very interested in knowing what that number should be, as long as I am taking this one apart. > > > Thanks, Gene > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Theo Smit" > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 3:14:07 PM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clear Hooters > > I'm in the 'no original Clear Hooters installation' camp, so I've resisted > commenting up to now. I did at some point acquire some that had the original > bracketry attached, so it was possible to try the horns on each side and see > what made sense. If I installed them one way, the trumpets faced straight > forward. That might seem to be a good way to get good sound, but then I > realized that they'd also make great bug catchers that way. So I installed > them the other way, where the trumpets are canted inward about 60 degrees. > Then I installed horn-hole blockoff plates but I made up mounts that went off > the blockoff plates, that preserved the original angles - they just push the > horns ahead by a couple of inches. > > I did find that it was necessary to take the horns apart, clean up the points, > and then reassemble them and adjust the current to spec, to make them work > reliably... and that I had to install a relay to actuate the horns because the > horn ring circuit on the steering wheel had way too much resistance to > actually properly drive the horns. Now, they are good... I can look to see > what I have on which side, but I can't vouch for originality. > > Theo > > > > ________________________________ > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments are for the sole use of > the intended recipient(s) and contain information that may be confidential > and/or legally privileged. 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Thank you. > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tsmit@shaw.ca _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Nov 22 22:15:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50C0A42F1D for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 22:15:10 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCDC442982 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 22:14:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.19]) by qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id st7a1m0060QkzPwA3tDSBF; Sat, 23 Nov 2013 05:13:26 +0000 Received: from sz0064.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id stDS1m0092xZMJ48NtDS9V; Sat, 23 Nov 2013 05:13:26 +0000 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 05:13:26 +0000 (UTC) From: Gary Winblad To: Tiger List s=q20121106; t=1385183606; bh=NKlz/GN8KOotE4LZPrkFl/Q2OEa+1yq2l4wYEjfgdPw=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=G23pJrbQeV4dg/1ePyzmh8onmQ6OzKX++7OfWbEN94e51JtoVeECKvwL/OrTAHpuE uVZd1RyZv8sYHgHvEv81pjepyT2X9wm5v1+SXfsAt3ZmNLoBjIBNuX2SyN7mdc56GM 0x8PnjklWoP2SQXCWwIIZAwRC9UBHI8K6QH/vUgVI4Zjgb11a8mZgP56kL1NI19cv5 02vavkrZeqY1Nbxbpyje8QpvtM4/kOAH1Buee45iY9oevsCZe5WWibouHDxaJXB0st FkQSO75icM11FyYmgw2dGUmB4pXI+QQDaJQgTt3kMXwy3WZizuwiZrasXhhE7QF3la wG12GuNSS90Mg== Subject: [Tigers] Mecum Anaheim auction Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Two Sunbeams sold today... A nice(?) Alger for $50K And a garage find real Tiger for $28K FYI, Gary _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 23 07:26:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90C72430F8 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2013 07:26:09 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-35.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CECA5403DA for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2013 07:25:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004961.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id rANELquH009912; Sat, 23 Nov 2013 06:26:09 -0800 Received: by sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - d1a6a209) id sj1-dm103.5283113a.12c7cf; Sat, 23 Nov 2013 06:24:24 -0800 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.177.219]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Sat, 23 Nov 2013 14:24:25 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Curt Bowland'" , "'tigers'" Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 09:24:13 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac7n7b1U1QuVi/NxQw6st18P5qm0OQAaU5wg engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.14,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-11-23_01:2013-11-22,2013-11-23,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1311230079 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alternatives Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Curt I think you should send the list a little more detail; make, model # and where you purchased it, web site for manufacturer. I have seen GPS speedometers listed in the Speedway Catalog but I have not followed up on the info. Glad to hear it works well for you. I'm sure others would like investigate this product too. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Curt Bowland Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 8:41 PM To: tigers Subject: [Tigers] Alternatives Greetings, While the adaptation of a GPS to the Tiger has a LOT of additional benefits I went a different route. I can appreciate the additional navigation features of the commercial units as well as additional information they can provide. I purchased a Speedometer, Sunbeam in appearance, that is GPS powered. I have three different rear ends, with three different ratios and posi with disc brakes. When I want to change ratios I wheel one out and put another in. I felt the need to have a reasonably accurate speedo with whatever gear I choose to run. Also this accommodates different tire sizes as well. I think, in time, a lot of owners will want the features of either alternative for a variety of personal reasons. Anyone wanting information on a GPS Tiger speedometer feel free to contact me off line. Regards, Curt in Chicago _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 23 09:10:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE31442EFC for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2013 09:10:30 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-35.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52EC4403F8 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2013 09:10:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (m0004961.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id rANGAcn2012847 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2013 08:10:43 -0800 Received: by dm0227.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 43ca9d92) id dm0227.528310ef.1bddae for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2013 08:09:00 -0800 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 08:08:55 -0800 From: Larry Mayfield Organization: Mayfield Motorsport User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.14,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-11-23_01:2013-11-22,2013-11-23,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=19 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1311230105 Subject: [Tigers] GPS Speedometer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I was doing a bit of surfing yesterday after returning from a dismal day at a Ford Service center... don't ask... While surfing I also included gos speedometers and found this one... pretty slick indeed... and reasonably affordable. http://www.speedhut.com/gauge/GR4-GPS-06/1/GPS-Speedometer-Gauge-200mph larry -- ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 23 10:53:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 438A942F43 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2013 10:53:12 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A115F403EB for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2013 10:52:53 -0700 (MST) a=uxyNepwUaEovhIUyLB0i+g==:17 a=nu3oTIcILOYA:10 a=zTVDa7HKqxcA:10 a=doupyKFmAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=KEtNhQUQ-BoA:10 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=EVcSM8YY9R1_FrR_7wIA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=0vUscowIxtUA:10 a=hy6Vk9PM-JbHHIoin2EA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=uxyNepwUaEovhIUyLB0i+g==:117 Received: from [75.83.202.59] ([75.83.202.59:49927] helo=BillPC) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id B6/06-20755-22BE0925; Sat, 23 Nov 2013 17:51:30 +0000 From: "Bill Rogers" To: References: <1187469104.4676749.1385174209827.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 09:51:19 -0800 Cc: Tigers Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clear Hooters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Gene, Left looking forward or as seen from the LHD driver's seat. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: Bill Rogers Cc: Tigers Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clear Hooters Bill, that is indeed interesting information. You are fortunate to have such an unmolested car. And it seems that Theo's idea that they should be canted inward matches with how indeed they are installed on your car! Thanks for sharing. If I may just ask in the way of clarifying, when you say the H is on the left, would that be the LHD car's driver's side or to the left as you are looking at it from the grill opening? Thanks again, Gene ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - From: "Bill Rogers" To: "Tigers" Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 6:13:26 PM Subject: [Tigers] Clear Hooters You guys piqued my interest; I have an original unmolested LHD car that I have cared for since 1977. Prior to that it was purchased new by my bro-in-law and has never been hit in front. I have never removed the horns and there would have been no reason to remove them prior to my guardianship. The L horn is on the right and the H is on the left so the horns are canted inwards. A piece of information for whatever it is worth. Bill Rogers B9472703 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 23 10:59:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 583C942EFA for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2013 10:59:32 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C417403C7 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2013 10:59:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.12]) by qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id t55D1m0060FhH24A25xwm6; Sat, 23 Nov 2013 17:57:56 +0000 Received: from sz0058.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.40.137]) by omta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id t5xw1m00F2xZMJ48U5xwwP; Sat, 23 Nov 2013 17:57:56 +0000 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 17:57:56 +0000 (UTC) From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: Bill Rogers s=q20121106; t=1385229476; bh=sVdQ0mgbx2IbDaqyde5fBnswoytNpt+gnWADKsguvxw=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=Z3wEbwDcnlDifN6UrKm25ZMdWVYfgTIaNVVxX5b33awlZsxkzzU6KJRh0L9kPfwgE CLdwAMvFwKpWBk57dfNSVzuQtwIy9XHKti476ecuC1SURYOdf/gyO4U4FN83AwE99M x78cm0Dh+sDJPfQvqyg7/Dq5QhFSuWvF9ecvKjv+sTwZWtAmBtLr+xIGC3UC+h55x6 ZkEelMMmKEg5Ttd97OljB3kWfbQ9JtSwR2CFnx6b+L/xNndhbEwg8k+vilLEAZezMY SrBBQ2SmZxkBlQgHSuYTl9lkr9GQdR0nW9qTAmSOljkbBtobi8UpU9RrjTcSgNSYc+ xSjVYBO7p+Uqw== Cc: Tigers Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clear Hooters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Bill, Excellent. Thanks again for your help! Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Rogers" To: genepadgett@comcast.net Cc: "Tigers" Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 11:51:19 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clear Hooters Hi Gene, Left looking forward or as seen from the LHD driver's seat. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: genepadgett@comcast.net To: Bill Rogers Cc: Tigers Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clear Hooters Bill, that is indeed interesting information. You are fortunate to have such an unmolested car. And it seems that Theo's idea that they should be canted inward matches with how indeed they are installed on your car! Thanks for sharing. If I may just ask in the way of clarifying, when you say the H is on the left, would that be the LHD car's driver's side or to the left as you are looking at it from the grill opening? Thanks again, Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Rogers" To: "Tigers" Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 6:13:26 PM Subject: [Tigers] Clear Hooters You guys piqued my interest; I have an original unmolested LHD car that I have cared for since 1977. Prior to that it was purchased new by my bro-in-law and has never been hit in front. I have never removed the horns and there would have been no reason to remove them prior to my guardianship. The L horn is on the right and the H is on the left so the horns are canted inwards. A piece of information for whatever it is worth. Bill Rogers B9472703 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/genepadgett@comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 23 19:44:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC4A742EED for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2013 19:44:11 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f42.google.com (mail-la0-f42.google.com [209.85.215.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD572403E8 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2013 19:43:21 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-la0-f42.google.com with SMTP id ec20so2034720lab.29 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2013 18:41:56 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:sender:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=8CO3QB134dWRx2/0m7frikRhym0P+wQGjvtSmJ3CoUM=; b=rSZP+ZdknEmRHHw+RZNmo9Z3877G5OpcWh8UGBDNqDZ+aqe9c/lj87t6X7Dye04qcl 15VnPv2zwIZY3xuEox0ebnEMEuUTNRGjVx+hkHpmeOQaMgchdLPzwCjcYxcEqIVYL1Sz xTVEoW+b4RVmHEpvXVzzNSzz7MA/XNA2+HgQEo8dlkn+NP9ktb41vFkB5L8q5Ogo6e1J 1Wi+RFqOk/0SnA5Qr1F2lXgwVEXq9SbWDDCn00CP9iSpyHipgWfW30nU7/An/LHbQCRq r+MmWD7r9dp3fTcbGBclGt17day96h84Topd2piizDjuUo2FUofRSY8tx/2dUJNS868u 3Y+Q== k19mr15870468lbh.9.1385260916546; Sat, 23 Nov 2013 18:41:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.204.69 with HTTP; Sat, 23 Nov 2013 18:41:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.204.69 with HTTP; Sat, 23 Nov 2013 18:41:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 21:41:55 -0500 From: "michael@michaelshortt.com" To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Powder coating vs Painting Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Recently speaking with a restorer of Pontiac GTOs ( 64- 67 models) who stated that powder coated parts are reduced in value by half versus painted parts. Has anybody else heard this before? Michael Shortt _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 24 01:02:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7297242F3F for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 01:02:54 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm41-vm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm41-vm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [67.195.87.93]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 52B4740424 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 01:02:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.137.12.190] by nm41.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2013 08:01:20 -0000 Received: from [98.137.12.231] by tm11.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2013 08:01:19 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1039.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Nov 2013 08:01:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 88775 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Nov 2013 08:01:19 -0000 s=s1024; t=1385280079; bh=4OVXtIuVGXrWzuyWTXAZ5eWSmdECq2ARAVH5bvmj8iw=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Ogchr2dvBauKEItoPH7YpzGnsuTAHMTYLJYE7z5pQqp+EA10NdA/Rk/CM72t2xfCWmY6Y2SnKOHn4g5MoO/6DL3uYQJIOndW6rF3zC8bFJJgHnHDLFxjEg/jRee+vjN81TXWrDCYGkt3YaD4+82JneABtZmlObm7027VqxeKpb8= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=EWhE9IZTuF7OL46c9zSqM19XaaLlmaK4TstIc1h0ZuZ1ifCoCEI1d6K+4R4O5glXc06coAF5WJKUpzI1yyW+tKbqiMPSSJ+5fM09ZjMwK0GCGvSW7MabyKkeH9/XZI4HmwLPmk5xGg+AsPc1Ei+QnMZ7i3lltkQ0cuLSqUOWVcg=; rF1Pvf9xa.2KA4M4yl3F2_fxdch6slxFwtkxTaKaYxOBvwHaZR3VeLC5hZM4 yTTKkeMTWUl_3duIlL2Y33O7Pcl4mW_l._9VS8lTQAyXKQfGeBRjBoIj6U4S diE2EePw23BREjJ2ZN2nc225O63edStzia10wx.XvhyW8.efT7Hfhwoaw0lJ HzGlY2I6DmKIwmSQP5ePk_A97ef6EZw5Kxafqi68tDp6lrwtSWZN7MHKBxC2 TAsnb99_ayGaR4GapRr.DvGrHNYhcVmotcJe_aK_sLReUBdUt5.CFMzQat9n a_cvAetu0eqbZc6cE0krJimqIalP3mY6Q.1Ve_2136oE0vxhmYCa0GaLP62m CaAeU4fvjl54YM9zydj2J.xI1jKEaXFitOPXtl1KOJYk2CQYRZ0UhIG81SeK ravFW34RY6o2OefFOmzUXtGZZRzNQlKKIYT9NrpCqAgBVrcXXkKjzfv9gtOC b3ScVCvLMkyzxbWZsLfY9CfumRczGALVdLRa1hgOvEaamdHgZUEFzGF9SuQc XCx0GT_3IVYXkfY8exA-- Received: from [70.211.15.78] by web164601.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 00:01:19 PST VGltZSB0byBpbnZlc3QgaW4gYSBuZXcgZXhoYXVzdCBzeXN0ZW0gYW5kIHdhbnQgdG8gZ2V0IHNvbWUgZmVlZGJhY2sgb24gaGVhZGVycy7CoCBJIHRocm93IG15IGJ1c2luZXNzIHRvIFN1bmJlYW0gU3BlY2lhbHRpZXMgd2hlbmV2ZXIgSSBjYW4sIGJ1dCBhbSBpbnRlcmVzdGVkIGluIHRoZSBmb3J1bSdzIG9waW5pb25zIG9uIHRoZSBuZXcgQ0FUIGhlYWRlcnMgdmVyc3VzIFNTIGFuZCBvdGhlcnMuwqAgVGhlIHByaWNlIGRpZmZlcmVuY2UgaXMgc3Vic3RhbnRpYWwsIGJ1dCBJIHVuZGVyc3RhbmQgdGhlIEMBMAEBAQE- Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 00:01:19 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Glenn To: Tiger Forum Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Exhaust - Headers Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Time to invest in a new exhaust system and want to get some feedback on headers. I throw my business to Sunbeam Specialties whenever I can, but am interested in the forum's opinions on the new CAT headers versus SS and others. The price difference is substantial, but I understand the CAT headers address some outstanding issues with previous header versions. Also wanted to inquire about powder and other coating methods and if there is a shop in SoCal that can be recommended. Thanks in advance. Brian B9471101LRXFE B9472615LRXFE B382000846LRXFE B382001212LRXFE _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 24 05:39:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4817E42EFA for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 05:39:47 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-la0-f41.google.com (mail-la0-f41.google.com [209.85.215.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BC6D403DD for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 05:39:24 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-la0-f41.google.com with SMTP id eo20so2176788lab.14 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 04:37:57 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=1FDMC86Tfc2cybAhu1jH4QRjGHCzMKezEX2AZNVme5g=; b=b3X/MEv6fOUUKJsWo9G8yC09H3ckFqZaSKSj+3ehiQgXYzLga2QMtbk2/Syg9DE4GQ Pp4mlhEvAVC3CqMU/mCxtwZuB8HvYjKVbSSUAaTnr9mnVhd/Ywr8X0lHW1yhn5AqEj+V IHvY4rNr3DTQMGDy4Oq0pkuUkChh8Hv3ssiwgzDBkWo32FmV8ToCbGzK4T/2jsZs9M9J mqtXocrlxywiPiLQRN9WZyZ01MwncVvnQA7hKays639BZ0uJ6jOH6GqGS7DUSh5nO8KC tywsC345UHbxTcN51dpQFnJQOTJONjey4ALMTeA6xfXVaubV+QWXxNqSvtN3s9jW9wn2 gDoQ== l3mr1159305lag.29.1385296676872; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 04:37:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.204.69 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 04:37:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.204.69 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 04:37:55 -0800 (PST) References: <1385280079.88184.YahooMailNeo@web164601.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 07:37:55 -0500 From: "michael@michaelshortt.com" To: Brian Glenn Cc: Tiger Forum Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Exhaust - Headers Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I have had Jet Hot silver ceramic coating on my Pantera headers and exhaust for 9 years and it still looks new. Michael Shortt On Nov 24, 2013 3:01 AM, "Brian Glenn" wrote: > Time to invest in a new exhaust system and want to get some feedback on > headers. I throw my business to Sunbeam Specialties whenever I can, but am > interested in the forum's opinions on the new CAT headers versus SS and > others. The price difference is substantial, but I understand the CAT > headers > address some outstanding issues with previous header versions. Also > wanted to > inquire about powder and other coating methods and if there is a shop in > SoCal > that can be recommended. > Thanks in advance. > Brian > > B9471101LRXFE > B9472615LRXFE > B382000846LRXFE > B382001212LRXFE > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael@michaelshortt.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 24 05:49:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41C984043D for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 05:49:54 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qe0-f52.google.com (mail-qe0-f52.google.com [209.85.128.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF7A340078 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 05:48:49 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qe0-f52.google.com with SMTP id ne12so2733083qeb.39 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 04:47:20 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=aBfVkDrQxD2XdZ4cq64Gfguwd/kfcpwRPUYpGxtWsqU=; b=X71biUh35NarsT2q+EcfTJj7AOJ44/g9seUzokZdVQMDlq+W3aQ38iVqJ++Tl3pwUR txnsKjhfgqdqas+rDB3Nr5L/xqnucB8WTYoldYjOD0VBmS3weIud/YySLTNLVJW8znkN JaowWF4iRyYcHmgYVK8KluzBDlGqbon032UKXyIiI3MrnHm+lN8WqQZI+Txxz6umjDiM 8gSlf7R/JI/SAd6mRMvBYGHMsJ4nuZj+lmrRpKeAwtNxFH/XFEfECJ13NKFlUWqNNkfx RDGVeDpQGmIymmhUpCGUZpCZKdOVBmI2DtoWKOCrRQN805z/m/AYsX+KsocErtbEDWKk swHw== t8mr37349458qcf.21.1385297240442; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 04:47:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.96.225.104 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 04:47:20 -0800 (PST) References: <1385280079.88184.YahooMailNeo@web164601.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 07:47:20 -0500 From: Tom Parker To: Brian Glenn Cc: Tiger Forum Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Exhaust - Headers Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The Sunbeam Specialties headers (installed @ 2008) fit without modification and clear the remote oil filter plate sufficiently, but do not allow for a small oil filter ( Fram PH16). I had the headers coated at Performance Coatings in Georgia; the coating appears durable, has not chipped or scratched. I didn't measure before / after temperatures so I can't speak to the effectiveness of the coating. Tim Suddard (Classic Motorsports) installed the older version of the C.A.T. headers, if I remember correctly. You might want to look at his comments, they're available online. Tom '67 Mark 2 On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 3:01 AM, Brian Glenn wrote: > Time to invest in a new exhaust system and want to get some feedback on > headers. I throw my business to Sunbeam Specialties whenever I can, but am > interested in the forum's opinions on the new CAT headers versus SS and > others. The price difference is substantial, but I understand the CAT > headers > address some outstanding issues with previous header versions. Also > wanted to > inquire about powder and other coating methods and if there is a shop in > SoCal > that can be recommended. > Thanks in advance. > Brian > > B9471101LRXFE > B9472615LRXFE > B382000846LRXFE > B382001212LRXFE > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 24 08:19:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94BEE403F7 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 08:19:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEB18403D5 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 08:17:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from HPamdX2 ([unknown] [173.58.234.133]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MWR006PNX22OY00@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for Tigers@autox.team.net; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 09:15:39 -0600 (CST) From: "Buck Trippel" To: "Brian Glenn" , "Tiger Forum" References: <1385280079.88184.YahooMailNeo@web164601.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 07:15:33 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Exhaust - Headers Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Brian, The CAT headers are quite different that those from Sunbeam Specialties. The CAT headers are currently built in 304 stainless steel, using thick flanges, 1-5/8" primary tubes and merged collectors. (Some places charge as much for a set of stainless merged collectors as CAT charges for the entire headers.) They accommodate oversized ports and utilize the FelPro 1415 gasket. (Hint: fit the gasket to the head before you buy the headers!) Their design and tooling has been the same for decades. However more "relief" to access the header bolts was built in when the switch was made to stainless. You use header bolts with reduced heads with CAT headers. Obviously, increasing the headers port size decreases the amount of sealing surface for the gasket. The Sunbeam Specialties headers are built from mild steel with thinner flanges, 1-1/2" primary tubes and standard collectors. Due to the smaller tubes and flanges fitting them in the engine compartment is obviously easier. They may even be a better choice for a near stock 260 or 289 with stock ports. I always ceramic coat mild steel headers but don't bother coating stainless. Some will polish and/or "slosh" stainless (heat barrier on inside of primary tubes). There seem to be two big problems with ceramic coatings: the quality of the material and the quality of the application. I've had very good luck with products made by TechLine Coatings. (CermaChrome, Black Satin, etc.) But the applicators need to get the process right, especially the cleaning. I've had the same product fail in two years when coated by one company but is still looking perfect after being re-applied ten years ago by another. I don't know the flow of the Sunbeam Specialties headers. They could be just fine for stock-ish motors. One of these days we'll get some real dyno numbers. In the meantime, header manufactures like "Headers by Ed" suggest that primary tubes as small as 1-3/8' would be fine on a stock 260. Generally torque is lost with bigger primary tubes and torque makes street driving easier. On the other hand, if you have bigger ports such 351 Windsor or most aftermarket heads, installing a set of headers with smaller ports is silly. In fact one of the biggest custom header companies did a computer study on a 289 race motor using 351 Windsor heads and it suggested a stepped header design starting with 1-5/8" and going up to 1-7/8". (By the way, the estimate to design and custom build a set for a Tiger out of 304 stainless with merged collectors was $5K - about ten times what CAT charges for their 304 stainless, merged collector headers.) CAT headers are not custom designed for individual members. And they don't cost many, many thousands like custom stainless headers. The CAT design is a compromise. It is aimed at the higher performance segment. It is not designed for a stock 260 although they've been used on them for decades. Perhaps those from Sunbeam Specialties might be better. Maybe not. Right now I just don't know. I would add that I always "port match" the headers to the port. Period. This applies to matching gasket surfaces of the early stock heads (which are raised from the head's surface.) By the later sixties Ford stopped using this raised surface and machined the entire side of the head flat allowing for broad gasket sealing which the CAT headers use. If using the stock heads you'll probably want to "notch" the holes in the flanges for better sealing surfaces for the header gaskets. Buck Trippel -----Original Message----- From: Brian Glenn Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2013 12:01 AM To: Tiger Forum Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Exhaust - Headers Time to invest in a new exhaust system and want to get some feedback on headers. I throw my business to Sunbeam Specialties whenever I can, but am interested in the forum's opinions on the new CAT headers versus SS and others. The price difference is substantial, but I understand the CAT headers address some outstanding issues with previous header versions. Also wanted to inquire about powder and other coating methods and if there is a shop in SoCal that can be recommended. Thanks in advance. Brian B9471101LRXFE B9472615LRXFE B382000846LRXFE B382001212LRXFE _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bucktrippel@verizon.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 24 09:28:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9824E42F42 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 09:28:07 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f179.google.com (mail-ie0-f179.google.com [209.85.223.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C185C403DA for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 09:27:47 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ie0-f179.google.com with SMTP id x13so5294991ief.38 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 08:26:20 -0800 (PST) h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :thread-index; bh=xfwHLmXY1F+MCBJM1Mq/xc4oNBUp9MqsfcZ1c2rBuOY=; b=xpruf/lrqQEmqKa40RWvI3cOj8MhaQTayZtROsTpZSH9AHCwmEhHkJ1Gulp4jH5DYx 1ZVXkQ7JQwkZ5alUtpFZXCfTBTzVzOluY4uC3QxbhtwYjECQYFUDE9d+aRu2KEjMlN7+ 10rn4kIa9yLSZ+RrBb0x9tmexZWltA722IgVijp6ynhbt8jW3yhdeJlwQpJfCv4WoRKo rVp+1x36TYfd/+8fo5+R9raaiJma2THtD/xd/q/PlAY25u2zofYztcLBouMCobgms0KQ nSPhZF7gQQymfRBz9FXYdW44Ow1Wy5XVihH6hYiA0m+Cqry3IdmBfGsDvEkhG/VrCHBy Uhiw== Sun, 24 Nov 2013 08:26:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from delld630 ([76.243.177.108]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id o1sm20663079igh.9.2013.11.24.08.26.19 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 24 Nov 2013 08:26:20 -0800 (PST) From: "Mark Rense" To: "'Tiger Talk List Tiger'" Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 11:26:21 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac7pMekWXGSEkmCtRfGKiuRSu6Lnnw== Subject: [Tigers] Shop Gloves That Work Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Just thought I'd pass along a find that works for me. Most of those so-called "mechanics gloves" are too thick to feel much, especially when you're reaching under or behind something to do some blind threading or such as is so common in a Tiger. At Summit racing a while back I saw a box of disposable Nitrile shop gloves, what caught my eye was that they were TIGER GRIP brand! They are thicker than average and are textured for a better grip (ribbed for extra pleasure?). I usually go through several pairs of no-name Nitrile gloves during a shop day, one pair of these Tiger gloves usually lasts me the day, and the texturing really helps to hold on to grease/oily stuff. Not cheap but since they last a lot longer I can use them over if I'm careful about taking them off. No personal interest here. Summit part number SUM-990016 http://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-990016xl/overview/ Happy Wrenching! Bugz _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 24 11:40:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC70142A55 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 11:40:00 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yh0-f53.google.com (mail-yh0-f53.google.com [209.85.213.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB1A6400A5 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 11:38:33 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-yh0-f53.google.com with SMTP id b20so2234380yha.40 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 10:37:04 -0800 (PST) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:from:content-type:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=GLb9dKUp4Z70JrNq+EVHpXE+lng5hWF74zsr2fOzBqs=; b=W//C40FL549qwE8SUOjUgaRbXfEuAJ8PzBuDRQaz5CtAp0xwXKhQarSF0BwnuDCAn8 ow5mzQfVIrS2WUbKlBTSx8zX5Bl3f4WuD6IR1eMj43kif4ijRXAnE6pj7McnVQgbcVDW C9sJkK2c3rj81LECZ6Hn6gqKvPv8Tbyk3EI9JHyoZLBBwH0lpbwDrMi8rpqX+HpQjsl5 E4UTOCZiS4xOhY2ijLRxNQO1/LYlobb9AZO+qOx+Czsx04NktuW+mfb5uVACvSjPpasq YFWxkYh2vyDdfBsbojG4ABOMYzoVzlWPuH67x/V9LNY352FbHA+mThimEk/5XP2EyUB2 osew== q62mr23518069yhk.2.1385318223959; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 10:37:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (71-80-50-181.dhcp.mant.nc.charter.com. [71.80.50.181]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id w45sm7242790yhk.4.2013.11.24.10.37.03 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 24 Nov 2013 10:37:03 -0800 (PST) From: "H. B. Elam" Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 13:37:04 -0500 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] Clear Hooters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The "H" is for higher note, Rootes part # 1224773. Surprise! The "L" is for low, Rootes # 1224772. For Mk II's there is a special Low Note hooter, Rootes # 1239238 just for France. My parts manual does not have a pictorial for hooter placement, so I can not confirm the original side question. Looked at my MK1A but couldn't see any numbers in place. Decided not to dissemble. Visually they both point inward. The right side about 25 degrees CCW from dead ahead, the left nearly 90 degrees CW from dead ahead. Not positive but believe mine are original. Know for certain they have not been changed in the past 32 years. Harry Elam TAC insp #37 B382000471 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 24 11:54:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 122DB40357 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 11:54:01 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CCAB403DA for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 11:53:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (omta003.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id rAOInwOK022122; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 10:51:40 -0800 Received: by dm0219.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - d1a6a206) id dm0219.52831103.14daef; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 10:51:31 -0800 Received: from ronpc1 ([64.24.176.102]) by rcluster-6-1.propel.com; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 18:51:29 -0000 From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'H. B. Elam'" , Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 13:51:23 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac7pRFfGntvW0rnmSmWVvu8l17L36QAAVksg engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.14,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-11-24_02:2013-11-22,2013-11-24,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1311240152 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clear Hooters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Harry The "L" and "H" are cast into the horn opening. You should be able to see them from the front of the car. I wonder if the special horn for France has a special cast marking? Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of H. B. Elam Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2013 1:37 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Clear Hooters The "H" is for higher note, Rootes part # 1224773. Surprise! The "L" is for low, Rootes # 1224772. For Mk II's there is a special Low Note hooter, Rootes # 1239238 just for France. My parts manual does not have a pictorial for hooter placement, so I can not confirm the original side question. Looked at my MK1A but couldn't see any numbers in place. Decided not to dissemble. Visually they both point inward. The right side about 25 degrees CCW from dead ahead, the left nearly 90 degrees CW from dead ahead. Not positive but believe mine are original. Know for certain they have not been changed in the past 32 years. Harry Elam TAC insp #37 B382000471 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser@bluefrog.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 24 12:31:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 721C74054C for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 12:31:11 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yh0-f54.google.com (mail-yh0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9302403F7 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 12:30:53 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-yh0-f54.google.com with SMTP id z12so2267468yhz.41 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 11:29:26 -0800 (PST) d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:from:content-type:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=l79ytYWbP4REE1u0oNfKTZ3A+IVy606OBfgLTry7jqQ=; b=WleWaL6/0qnUwSSBXOof9tT4DmWr6hk2h/lkc6EO+Q2Z+PmP0z4ne5eWOLQaLnTiMN 5m0AhfprQ5Ba/3BrijF2e6GHEUoa6ehpreC6Zponha9lSIU2K4jkyp1MG+eOzr96Rz+4 wotSRLHkIp+/xVjSLCnbv8moT9WqAN9T3v8afbo2HVirZo6v9yOTq+FmM3OyodPJygpq G3tN8Yq4GgshA6rblYPbbmSEOKC7XEfJR+h90aY9CV5QUTwPWiKvUI/FfNFWj6yHjWNb 2Z+/XN5VoA11TI6c+lCD7wO4cSYg3TCV+Y63+W8xgLCR+RJ3rktR7u0ewOvSqeWn3jyr hOlQ== f68mr106305yhi.70.1385321366017; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 11:29:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (71-80-50-181.dhcp.mant.nc.charter.com. [71.80.50.181]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id s21sm70847498yhk.9.2013.11.24.11.29.25 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 24 Nov 2013 11:29:25 -0800 (PST) From: "H. B. Elam" Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 14:29:25 -0500 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" , "rfraser@bluefrog.com" Subject: [Tigers] Clear Hooters Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thanks, Ron. Found the "H" on right and "L" on left. Also noted that both seemed to be attached to their respective mounting brackets with single bolt/nut, allowing them to rotate when insufficiently tightened, like mine. Now we not only can not confirm side mount, but also have the uncertainty of the original pointing direction. Seems the more we ask questions, the more questions there are to ask. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 24 13:57:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EF0D42A55 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 13:57:15 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtpout001.mac.com [17.158.236.236]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52BCE403DA for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 13:55:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from new-host-6.home (pool-173-61-103-173.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net [173.61.103.173]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.08(7.0.4.27.7) 64bit (built Aug 22 2013)) with ESMTPSA id <0MWS001RZCPDCJ20@nk11p04mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for tigers@autox.team.net; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 20:53:39 +0000 (GMT) engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.14,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-11-24_02:2013-11-22,2013-11-24,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=4 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1308280000 definitions=main-1311240183 From: Tucker Brown Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 15:53:47 -0500 To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Tiger Cost Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hi Everyone, I've been becoming interested in classic cars over the last few years, and I recently came across the Sunbeam Tiger. Needless to say it was love at first sight for a number of reasons. I am just curious about how much it may cost to realize my dream someday. In a perfect world, I would find a driver that would work for a number of years, with hopes of restoring it down the line. What is a reasonable expectation to pay for a Sunbeam Tiger Mark 1A in drivable condition? I know there are different levels of restoration, but what do you think the range for that may be? Thank you for your help! This is a great resource! Tucker Brown _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 24 16:05:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FDC742F29 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 16:05:15 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-m06.mx.aol.com (omr-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.80]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 808BE403F7 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 15:55:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.11]) by omr-m06.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 782E9700308FE; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 17:52:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mfc003a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mfc003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.120.11]) by mtaomg-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 13785E000089; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 17:52:21 -0500 (EST) From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com Full-name: AAAGLASSS Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 17:52:20 -0500 (EST) To: tncbrown@me.com, tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1385333541; bh=21QtDZSKWnrhWrY8iYZc8FXklshMpNdK34Xdh4PtVFA=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=w00qqUrPEsrBFVTKLvFYVwsLoxF6SMchrQiRe83uI/BqZmw5nnY/ppbjEStOD1y8h 6t+uz29g/d1ZxkdgR3HCBqnN08CKeDX47NCoF9jP1Y+ZiFZEI208rZAnFXi4vHv4U4 B6NxC/HznlnMEei6rq1ATxk3Y3Z5kkjzi128CQfs= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290b529283253806 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Sunbeam Tiger Cost Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=AN1113-167986 I saw this car before it went to auction; needed paint, top redone(missing back glass moldings), interior work, no spare cover, 70's glue on side moldings, windshield scratched and all rubbers bad. Had screws holding ID plate and the motor was frozen. This went for $28,000.00. So that is what you are looking at these days. Do a E-Bay Motors search for Sunbeam, highest price and get e-mail for new listings. Check Hemming's and Craig list every week and you may find a nice one. I found mine in Hemming's a few years back and spent $18 for it. One owner and garaged for most of it's life 0 rust. All the mechanicals are done, just needs some trim work and a new top. Good Luck In a message dated 11/24/2013 12:55:39 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, tncbrown@me.com writes: Hi Everyone, I've been becoming interested in classic cars over the last few years, and I recently came across the Sunbeam Tiger. Needless to say it was love at first sight for a number of reasons. I am just curious about how much it may cost to realize my dream someday. In a perfect world, I would find a driver that would work for a number of years, with hopes of restoring it down the line. What is a reasonable expectation to pay for a Sunbeam Tiger Mark 1A in drivable condition? I know there are different levels of restoration, but what do you think the range for that may be? Thank you for your help! This is a great resource! Tucker Brown _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/aaaglasss@aol.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 24 16:49:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4D4E42F3F for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 16:49:13 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa11-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa11-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.109]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27BB1403EF for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 16:49:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from [208.66.50.117] ([208.66.50.117]) by p3plsmtpa11-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id tbnb1m01a2XiuVc01bncHJ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 16:47:37 -0700 Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 19:47:33 -0400 From: Chris Thompson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 To: AAAGLASSS@aol.com, tncbrown@me.com, tigers@autox.team.net References: <17c79.b8eb86.3fc3dd24@aol.com> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Sunbeam Tiger Cost Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Good advice overall. Personally, I wouldn't pay too much attention to the big auctions - the prices only seem to be attained through the big auctions. But the other advice seems good. Personally, I would rely on Hemmings the most, I think. It seems a whole lot of e-bay auctions are no-sales, as apparently nobody in the world is willing to pay what the owner thinks it's worth, and I've never seen (noticed) a bargain. With Hemmings, at least you know what the owner wants for a starting price. I'm a little bit out of date, as I bought my Tiger about 15 years ago. I started with Hemmings, but then found myself in San Francisco, and called Norm, the guru at the time (well, he's still a guru) and he referred me to a car in the area that I bought within an hour of seeing it. When I bought my Jaguar E-Type, I did kinda the same thing, finding one of the gurus in that field who referred me to an absolute steal on a 99 pt car. Stay on this list and keep reminding us (occasionally) that you're looking and want to know if anything is available, plus you'll also see listers occasionally put their cars up for sale. Join STOA and TE/AE and do the same. A Tiger that is known by the community, and referred by the community, is likely to be a safer buy than one bought blind. Rust is of course something to look out for. A good buddy of mine bought a Tiger many years ago, and after he dipped it, he found there wasn't enough of it left to restore, and had to go buy another one. You don't say where you are, but you'll find the most rust-free cars are on the left coast and the south west. If you're patient and make the right connections, I think you can probably find something around $20K for a decent driver. As is typical, if you buy a car for $20K, and put $10K into it, you'll probably end up with a $25K car, and if you buy a car for $5,000 and put $50,000 into it, you'll likely end up with $25K car. Spend as much as you can afford up front, unless you've really got a lot of time on your hands to do almost all of the work yourself, and you really love doing it. All that said, in my opinion (and Hemmings, too) is that the Tiger is one of the most undervalued cars on the market. You probably won't make a killing on it as an investment, but it's highly unlikely to lose value for you (unless you spend too much on restoration). Welcome, and good luck to you finding the right car for you! Chris B382000331 On 11/24/2013 6:52 PM, AAAGLASSS@aol.com wrote: > http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=AN1113-167986 > > I saw this car before it went to auction; needed paint, top redone(missing > back glass moldings), interior work, no spare cover, 70's glue on side > moldings, windshield scratched and all rubbers bad. Had screws holding ID > plate and the motor was frozen. This went for $28,000.00. So that is what you > are looking at these days. Do a E-Bay Motors search for Sunbeam, highest > price and get e-mail for new listings. Check Hemming's and Craig list every > week and you may find a nice one. I found mine in Hemming's a few years back > and spent $18 for it. One owner and garaged for most of it's life 0 rust. > All the mechanicals are done, just needs some trim work and a new top. Good > Luck > > > In a message dated 11/24/2013 12:55:39 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > tncbrown@me.com writes: > > Hi Everyone, > > I've been becoming interested in classic cars over the last few years, and > I > recently came across the Sunbeam Tiger. Needless to say it was love at > first > sight for a number of reasons. I am just curious about how much it may > cost > to realize my dream someday. In a perfect world, I would find a driver > that > would work for a number of years, with hopes of restoring it down the line. > What is a reasonable expectation to pay for a Sunbeam Tiger Mark 1A in > drivable condition? I know there are different levels of restoration, but > what do you think the range for that may be? > > Thank you for your help! This is a great resource! > > Tucker Brown > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 24 17:46:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 862B042EFA for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 17:46:18 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo103.cox.net (eastrmfepo103.cox.net [68.230.241.215]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6A50403EF for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 17:44:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from eastrmimpo305 ([68.230.241.237]) by eastrmfepo103.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20131125004253.VZWL3894.eastrmfepo103.cox.net@eastrmimpo305> for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 19:42:53 -0500 Received: from JHP ([72.205.39.75]) by eastrmimpo305 with cox id tcir1m00E1dHVuG01cisie; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 19:42:52 -0500 a=0Nm72dJp9Kgw8EhUP4ZIJg==:17 a=M_7gf0I19jYA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=EZc0P47YHBoA:10 a=64dIrEQsAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=siQRfhe_a97-rSwipPEA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=WnflMtpsxoSNIMHr:21 a=Y8lsNLP8GruX3eE_:21 a=0Nm72dJp9Kgw8EhUP4ZIJg==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "James Lindner" To: "Tucker Brown" , References: Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 19:42:50 -0500 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Sunbeam Tiger Cost Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tucker I will second Chris' recommendation to remain engaged through this List...and other forums for that matter. Three and a half years ago I did exactly as Chris said and a member of this List gave me a heads up and a buy recommendation on a Tiger that was becoming available (Thanks Paul). It was an absolutely beautiful car, fully restored with only 7k miles since the restoration. I paid a bit more than I had originally planned, but I just followed the advice Chris gave to buy as much car as you can afford. I bought it and have been enjoying it ever since. I know some of the valuation tools out there are a bit inflated. The Valuation tool at Hagerty Insurance does not seem to bad in that regard. You can check it out at http://www.hagerty.com/valuationtools/HVT/VehicleSearch/Report?vc=1335693 Good Luck in your search. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Tucker Brown Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2013 3:53 PM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Tiger Cost Question Hi Everyone, I've been becoming interested in classic cars over the last few years, and I recently came across the Sunbeam Tiger. Needless to say it was love at first sight for a number of reasons. I am just curious about how much it may cost to realize my dream someday. In a perfect world, I would find a driver that would work for a number of years, with hopes of restoring it down the line. What is a reasonable expectation to pay for a Sunbeam Tiger Mark 1A in drivable condition? I know there are different levels of restoration, but what do you think the range for that may be? Thank you for your help! This is a great resource! Tucker Brown _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jliny5@cox.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 24 17:46:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0397342F29 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 17:46:41 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A723403EF for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 17:44:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from optiplex3301 ([unknown] [108.47.114.228]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MWS005GWNBNTC70@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 18:42:59 -0600 (CST) From: "Thomas Witt" To: References: <17c79.b8eb86.3fc3dd24@aol.com> <52929015.5090302@cthompson.net> Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 16:42:59 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Sunbeam Tiger Cost Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net If you go to Ebay, Completed Items, Cars & Truck you can see what Tigers were actually sold. There are a fair number of sold cars to give you an idea of condition and price. all the best in your search. Tom ($5,100 basket case - 13 years on jackstands... that's a warning) _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Nov 24 18:01:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96D9342F40 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 18:01:37 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oa0-f42.google.com (mail-oa0-f42.google.com [209.85.219.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DCD440408 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 18:00:04 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-oa0-f42.google.com with SMTP id i4so3667333oah.15 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 16:58:35 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Zbqq1KZJqGIMIyUXiI234biHvEA6qNKnxrm9VOC2cSE=; b=qN0tc45kwjkxAaRPBmOEuA3hyB//yqeWacQKwsw9x/sgnvqY/nXlOImYX5gFeLBiNH IpbctKgujH6HUTdUMPZNo0mvIrDmy5Q5Iwdqbu4+/Q0lV+TnciFBqIjnKyYpEV33TSzG qJF1FiUtGXFSf0iXd0tK2iBUDusVC2BNvWQ0hZVGtETPAXn+XuBFWLC/lurA77lg05Jz 6kYi4hXnlZELgmS0U5wdZP7okOCWnP14wih+ZMQzfqn7npLlO0BMufLK4HEj5Jnsq4B9 wdLx/v9XmAfZ6LfCQDosO+ZL+Qu7Bd8YKT3ur0FUcsgBInhggv0ZF35t/IFgtrSfaGGp Tigg== j2mr22172830obh.30.1385341115527; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 16:58:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.228.65 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 16:58:35 -0800 (PST) References: <45188302-E759-41FB-AF90-B08089A612D5@me.com> Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 11:58:35 +1100 From: michael king To: Tucker Brown Cc: Tiger Talk List Tiger Subject: Re: [Tigers] Sunbeam Tiger Cost Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tucker, i support the advice of the previous respondents. My advice to you is work out your maximum budget for a car and buy the one with the best possible body you can within that range. The money to put right metal work easily outweighs any other cost on these cars. Most all the soft trim, mechanical and rubbers are available repro or without much effort. Another thing to consider is what you want from the car.. do you want to have an original car? An original looking car with some improvements? Or a modified car? This will impact on choice. There are a few parts unique to the cars that if you want an original appearing car you meed to know will costs you significant $ to replace.. air filter housing, original wooden wheel, radiator shroud, shifter, header tank all bring good money so if they are missing them and you want them... bare it in mind. Last but not least.. get the car checked out.. make sure you are buying what you expect, if you dont want a rebodied car... get the car checked by someone who can make sure it is a true tiger or look at cars that are TAC'd or unrestored. join the forums... join the clubs.. go to meetings and get to know some peoepl, they might hear of a car and put you o the right track. On 25 November 2013 07:53, Tucker Brown wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I've been becoming interested in classic cars over the last few years, and > I > recently came across the Sunbeam Tiger. Needless to say it was love at > first > sight for a number of reasons. I am just curious about how much it may > cost > to realize my dream someday. In a perfect world, I would find a driver > that > would work for a number of years, with hopes of restoring it down the line. > What is a reasonable expectation to pay for a Sunbeam Tiger Mark 1A in > drivable condition? I know there are different levels of restoration, but > what do you think the range for that may be? > > Thank you for your help! This is a great resource! > > Tucker Brown > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king@gmail.com > > > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 25 03:01:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D75E842F78 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 03:01:50 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2313940423 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 03:00:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.28]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id tlyE1m0020cQ2SLA1lyV7l; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 09:58:29 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.91] ([67.164.102.155]) by omta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id tlyT1m00c3MALtP8WlyU7A; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 09:58:28 +0000 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 01:58:28 -0800 From: Tom Hall User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 To: chris@cthompson.net, Tiger e-mail List References: <17c79.b8eb86.3fc3dd24@aol.com> <52929015.5090302@cthompson.net> s=q20121106; t=1385373509; bh=q7gNZHIJpM0F7QJfWD50xOo6D0F8X4rxP27csU7YTnw=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=J6fSgRBsk2BdAxCRnZq57zqwDFhZ1veOyMBeQ++4jBxf20jYWWJu3Koume0vM1Z8P EDW3P0OFNTu0sAcChJjIyx+FSDbEMm2jaVNpHnZ3aboAo94x3OAbFpwMs477IjYnmi aleKW8lWmE10aF8RUZan/xwKMCEQu6ygldsn7iWapCkGvNrGRAJP99js6xs5id4ibt X2qoKysAubZPN3fgiBHwMWDqNNbGzVb12ZkNcT/wX+JXktRa1398aP4GpFBDYeeTK8 QeelvDkq5MVDgHaC4xwiwpLM0YWIhT9ONTQ6HkAs7vIsAgQy4ma+W4T0p3uQ+LehYk EV7eZ6vdvql9Q== Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Tiger Cost Question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Since STOA and our Tiger Authentication Committee (TAC) have been mentioned in this discussion, I thought it would be appropriate for me to mention our new web site: http://sunbeamtiger.orgAfter a lot of work by our web master Don Whitely, our new site is not only up and running, it has the (almost) up to date listing of the Tigers that STOA has Authenticated in the twenty years we have been running this program.The total number of chassis is between 900 and 1,000, from all over the world. For non-members, there is a search procedure under the "TAC" tab.This procedure will allow you to look up any Tiger VIN and tell you if the chassis is in our database.It will tell you when the chassis was Authenticated, the Model and the original color code recorded from the VIN tag. For members of STOA, the database is additionally both searchable and sortable by subject columns, minus any personal information.So you can spend some time viewing this database by several criteria.For example, you can find all the original black (color code 1) Tigers,or you can list all the Mk II's in Texas. We hope that you will find this new feature both fascinating and useful.It's taken several months to get this database up and running properly and as a result, it's only up to date as of the first of June this year.I'm expecting that we will be current by the end of the year. Also new to our website is our on-line store under "THE STORE" tab.It also asks you to "log-in", as the members only section does, but in this case the log-in sets up your account for purchase through PayPal.Membership NOT required to purchase the merchandise shown on this site.You will find clothing, Club stickers and patches, and other miscellaneous merchandise. Have a look. -- Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC www.tigerengineering.net On 11/24/2013 3:47 PM, Chris Thompson wrote: > Good advice overall. Personally, I wouldn't pay too much attention to > the big auctions - the prices only seem to be attained through the big > auctions. > > But the other advice seems good. Personally, I would rely on Hemmings > the most, I think. It seems a whole lot of e-bay auctions are > no-sales, as apparently nobody in the world is willing to pay what the > owner thinks it's worth, and I've never seen (noticed) a bargain. > With Hemmings, at least you know what the owner wants for a starting > price. > > I'm a little bit out of date, as I bought my Tiger about 15 years > ago. I started with Hemmings, but then found myself in San Francisco, > and called Norm, the guru at the time (well, he's still a guru) and he > referred me to a car in the area that I bought within an hour of > seeing it. When I bought my Jaguar E-Type, I did kinda the same > thing, finding one of the gurus in that field who referred me to an > absolute steal on a 99 pt car. Stay on this list and keep reminding > us (occasionally) that you're looking and want to know if anything is > available, plus you'll also see listers occasionally put their cars up > for sale. Join STOA and TE/AE and do the same. A Tiger that is known > by the community, and referred by the community, is likely to be a > safer buy than one bought blind. > > Rust is of course something to look out for. A good buddy of mine > bought a Tiger many years ago, and after he dipped it, he found there > wasn't enough of it left to restore, and had to go buy another one. > You don't say where you are, but you'll find the most rust-free cars > are on the left coast and the south west. > > If you're patient and make the right connections, I think you can > probably find something around $20K for a decent driver. As is > typical, if you buy a car for $20K, and put $10K into it, you'll > probably end up with a $25K car, and if you buy a car for $5,000 and > put $50,000 into it, you'll likely end up with $25K car. Spend as much > as you can afford up front, unless you've really got a lot of time on > your hands to do almost all of the work yourself, and you really love > doing it. All that said, in my opinion (and Hemmings, too) is that > the Tiger is one of the most undervalued cars on the market. You > probably won't make a killing on it as an investment, but it's highly > unlikely to lose value for you (unless you spend too much on > restoration). > > Welcome, and good luck to you finding the right car for you! > > Chris > B382000331 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 25 09:06:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C6F242F5B for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 09:06:11 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from out02.mta.xmission.com (out02.mta.xmission.com [166.70.13.232]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86B424041E for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 09:05:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from mx03.mta.xmission.com ([166.70.13.213]) by out02.mta.xmission.com with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Vkydz-0000nD-Mz; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 09:04:15 -0700 Received: from mta1.zcs.xmission.com ([166.70.13.65]) by mx03.mta.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Vkydx-0000fC-I1; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 09:04:15 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mta1.zcs.xmission.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 735191C4400; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 09:04:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta1.zcs.xmission.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mta1.zcs.xmission.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uoLSzttHktWX; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 09:04:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from LynnWallPC (c-76-23-31-210.hsd1.ut.comcast.net [76.23.31.210]) (Authenticated sender: cars@wt-inc.com) by mta1.zcs.xmission.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 1C80A1C43E9; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 09:04:13 -0700 (MST) From: "Lynn" To: , References: <5290D317.3090704@mayfco.com> Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 09:04:12 -0700 Thread-Index: AQJxYd5whHO/h6HbhomCibWZjPOuzJjxK7Gw Content-Language: en-us DCC_CHECK_NEGATIVE,T_TM2_M_HEADER_IN_MSG,TooManyTo_001 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 SMTP * 0.3 TooManyTo_001 Multiple "To" Header Recipients 2x (uncommon) * 0.0 T_TM2_M_HEADER_IN_MSG BODY: T_TM2_M_HEADER_IN_MSG * 0.8 BAYES_50 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 40 to 60% * [score: 0.4053] * -0.0 DCC_CHECK_NEGATIVE Not listed in DCC * [sa05 1397; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1] Subject: Re: [Tigers] GPS Speedometer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I have some experience with Speedhut. Great guys, very accommodating and great product (I have no relationship with them at all).. My brother just got a whole set of gauges from them and his experience was the same. They are in Orem Utah so they are very close to me. Good luck, Lynn -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 9:09 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] GPS Speedometer I was doing a bit of surfing yesterday after returning from a dismal day at a Ford Service center... don't ask... While surfing I also included gos speedometers and found this one... pretty slick indeed... and reasonably affordable. http://www.speedhut.com/gauge/GR4-GPS-06/1/GPS-Speedometer-Gauge-200mph larry -- ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cars@wt-inc.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 25 09:24:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9C9F42F60 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 09:24:15 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.212]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBF5440424 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 09:23:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.19]) by qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id trGv1m0050QkzPwAEsNTE6; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 16:22:27 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.91] ([67.164.102.155]) by omta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id tsNT1m0073MALtP8NsNTVf; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 16:22:27 +0000 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 08:22:28 -0800 From: Tom Hall User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 To: Tiger e-mail List s=q20121106; t=1385396547; bh=V9zyAZLINlODaed+SQ5YVVK/pKxq79RGcQE/J2pH46I=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=U3lzShTZAufAcs8GaTdrDykA2iVz+XKhRblmfkHRCXm0Qx9gyaWym3sEI+tjQadFV m/0xAtLXJyOAxRGWmi++hrK2Q8CiVWJjOGLY0atYG0IahnVCnM2+85EdlHh/JilIR0 NnoXWmoM96NwQZj5TArvZK8xKrXO8dRxhC5XsrgwGzlXbFGFLBSRrgXJMq+hzch8hh kmugc6dUbyjz6c4OnLz9Q4Yjxcz/bdOn7AFXmu2bHOVFJ4Fsch5bkkMNV9rEsdIced PzPGTOaSGpSsNwAJoY1kstlOdrHa4AmMbSLJGtqJyL2tUS49tt4yoTe8vClP/svEpp TW7EB2m/B12Iw== Subject: [Tigers] correct URL Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net My e-mail program pulled a run-on last night when I sent my message. The correct URL is: http://sunbeamtiger.org -- Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC www.tigerengineering.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 25 09:49:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CA6E4042E for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 09:49:54 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from imta-38.everyone.net (imta-35.everyone.net [216.200.145.35]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4882340424 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 09:49:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from pps.filterd (omta006.sj2.proofpoint.com [127.0.0.1]) by imta-38.everyone.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id rAPGlT4d019876; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 08:48:04 -0800 Received: by sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 43ca9d92) id sj1-dm103.5283113a.1630d4; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 08:45:44 -0800 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 08:45:39 -0800 From: Larry Mayfield Organization: Mayfield Motorsport User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 To: Lynn , tigers@autox.team.net References: <5290D317.3090704@mayfco.com> <008f01cee9f7$fbd02840$f37078c0$@wt-inc.com> engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.14,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-11-25_02:2013-11-25,2013-11-25,1970-01-01 signatures=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1311250115 Subject: Re: [Tigers] GPS Speedometer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net That's good to know! Thanks and I may just try one..maybe I can get one that goes to 250 mph, lol... I wonder what the GPS update rate is. Most are about a second and I can get way down the road in that time... Every quarter second would be great for the race car, lol... As is for my street Tiger though... Thanks again!! larry ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed On 11/25/2013 8:04 AM, Lynn wrote: > I have some experience with Speedhut. Great guys, very accommodating and > great product (I have no relationship with them at all).. My brother just > got a whole set of gauges from them and his experience was the same. They > are in Orem Utah so they are very close to me. > > Good luck, Lynn > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield > Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 9:09 AM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] GPS Speedometer > > I was doing a bit of surfing yesterday after returning from a dismal day at > a Ford Service center... don't ask... While surfing I also included gos > speedometers and found this one... pretty slick indeed... and reasonably > affordable. > > http://www.speedhut.com/gauge/GR4-GPS-06/1/GPS-Speedometer-Gauge-200mph > > larry > > -- > ______________________________ > drmayf > Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. > 204.913 mph flying mile > 210.779 mph exit speed > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cars@wt-inc.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 25 10:00:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C8C142F66 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 10:00:34 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from smtp02b.netjets.com (smtp02b.netjets.com [12.68.84.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE14A40425 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 10:00:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from unknown (HELO cmhprdsmg01.netjets.com) ([10.82.11.90]) by bwy-i05-esa02.gss-i.netjets.com with ESMTP; 25 Nov 2013 11:58:46 -0500 Received: from cmhprdexccas02.netjets.com ( [10.82.12.56]) by cmhprdsmg01.netjets.com (Symantec Messaging Gateway) with SMTP id C9.3E.29423.5C183925; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 11:58:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from CMHPRDEXCMBX11.netjets.com ([fe80::2c97:87c1:9ce5:7c48]) by cmhprdexccas02.netjets.com ([10.82.12.56]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 11:58:45 -0500 From: Scott Hutchinson To: "'drmayf@mayfco.com'" , "'cars@wt-inc.com'" , "'tigers@autox.team.net'" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] GPS Speedometer Thread-Index: AQHO6GZd7V3K7G9XK0GKhOuPdTQgiZo2cvsAgAALlID//6/Y/g== Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 16:58:45 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.83.80.19] 63lWB2aPXb9nsHssuv6KxePk7IOsAcxRXDYpqTmZZalF+nYJXBmLOzqYCyaLVuyY/5C9gXG/ YBcjJ4eEgInEs0u7mSBsMYkL99azdTFycQgJ7GWUuHdpEyuEs41RYv6WTnaQKjYBXYmZO46D dYgIdDJKTFtkAmILC6hKXF+4mA0iribxYuYudgjbSWLjgzUsIDYLUE1HywpWEJtXwF/iy9nn YDWcAloSZx8dZQSxGYGu+H5qDdh8ZgFxiVtP5kNdJyCxZM95ZghbVOLl43+sELa8xKPGbawQ 9XoSN6ZOYYOwtSWWLXzNDLFLUOLkzCcsExhFZiEZOwtJyywkLbOQtCxgZFnFKJ6cm1FQlFKc m25gqJeXWpKVWlKsl5yfu4kRHCXckTsYzyyxO8QowMGoxMM7oXpSkBBrYllxZe4hRgkOZiUR 3p8lk4OEeFMSK6tSi/Lji0pzUosPMUpzsCiJ815NAUoJpCeWpGanphakFsFkmTg4pRoYE8L1 vQz9983tXuiguTBmzlQplpRK07df3u3gzs/0luBl351aoGfjX2zpd0uSkZnNrnnSdcOXWyeY e0y/uZaP57tbfppiBMu/gBVWm5mq3ewELVQPczLFxYrbGDYeLD+W8GM5y8NZwkfbjilOfi11 c/FB9ZsGnxtdDz99W5S4bfvqVnvLRduVWIozEg21mIuKEwHwNfBEjgIAAA== Subject: Re: [Tigers] GPS Speedometer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net No clue what the max speed is, but a velocitek speed puck is a differential gps unit that provides instantaneous speed readout, as well as heading. It is designed for sailboat racing. Every other until I have looked at has some sort of lag in it. Scott Hutchinson Pilot, NetJets Aviation Mobile 843.290.2805 ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Mayfield [mailto:drmayf@mayfco.com] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 11:45 AM To: Lynn ; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] GPS Speedometer That's good to know! Thanks and I may just try one..maybe I can get one that goes to 250 mph, lol... I wonder what the GPS update rate is. Most are about a second and I can get way down the road in that time... Every quarter second would be great for the race car, lol... As is for my street Tiger though... Thanks again!! larry ______________________________ drmayf Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. 204.913 mph flying mile 210.779 mph exit speed On 11/25/2013 8:04 AM, Lynn wrote: > I have some experience with Speedhut. Great guys, very accommodating and > great product (I have no relationship with them at all).. My brother just > got a whole set of gauges from them and his experience was the same. They > are in Orem Utah so they are very close to me. > > Good luck, Lynn > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield > Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 9:09 AM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] GPS Speedometer > > I was doing a bit of surfing yesterday after returning from a dismal day at > a Ford Service center... don't ask... While surfing I also included gos > speedometers and found this one... pretty slick indeed... and reasonably > affordable. > > http://www.speedhut.com/gauge/GR4-GPS-06/1/GPS-Speedometer-Gauge-200mph > > larry > > -- > ______________________________ > drmayf > Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. > 204.913 mph flying mile > 210.779 mph exit speed > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cars@wt-inc.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/shutchin@netjets.com *** *** *** This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. 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If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 25 12:46:40 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9EB64044C for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 12:46:40 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from filter01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (filter01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.226]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 412404044C for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 12:46:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by filter01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 876231044CE; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 19:45:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.182.165]) by localhost (filter01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.226]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id hkcs1i5l-5eN; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 19:44:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bob (50-52-18-170.cral.id.frontiernet.net [50.52.18.170]) by relay02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 4ED2119C2B; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 19:44:56 +0000 (UTC) From: "Bob Hokanson" To: "Tigers" , References: <5290D317.3090704@mayfco.com><008f01cee9f7$fbd02840$f37078c0$@wt-inc.com> <52937EB3.5030000@mayfco.com> Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 11:44:50 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] GPS Speedometer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mayf, Here's one that goes to 260 mph. If you exceed that maybe we can take up a collection for something faster. :-) http://www.speedhut.com/gauge/GR4.5-GPS-10T/1/GPS-Speedometer-Gauge-260mph--(w--turn-signal-and-high-beam) Bob H ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Mayfield" To: "Lynn" ; Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 8:45 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] GPS Speedometer > That's good to know! Thanks and I may just try one..maybe I can get one > that goes to 250 mph, lol... I wonder what the GPS update rate is. Most > are about a second and I can get way down the road in that time... Every > quarter second would be great for the race car, lol... As is for my street > Tiger though... > > Thanks again!! > > larry > > ______________________________ > drmayf > Worlds Fastest Sunbeam, period. > 204.913 mph flying mile > 210.779 mph exit speed _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 25 13:48:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A773242F7C for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 13:48:22 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.56]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 960D040067 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 13:48:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.11]) by qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id trKr1m0030EPchoA6wmind; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 20:46:42 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.91] ([67.164.102.155]) by omta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id twmh1m0023MALtP8MwmhYi; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 20:46:41 +0000 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 12:46:42 -0800 From: Tom Hall User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 To: Thomas Prager , Tiger e-mail List References: <52937944.3090607@comcast.net> s=q20121106; t=1385412402; bh=CrBzUmfLA8WLUzuEbvCSIwsugIZxy/Mo8RHgVEDbP1Y=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=GOlTAxsz1oiTfXljaf0EYRE52RQGZ5n3fGNyGPIlLkOJqkjFrPFf6DA9lfwKflqUn rLyZRE9AIqMx2uEVXZl7omX3nmS38RFFdfr8R9zATQJHzvvaoRZK4K0itVNH946qTl ED6VlJOUW3KM9gwfZN07gBVaYPbmXaBJUrsZldwvW42wUZ+P3Jv2zSF/winU4MQXzO qHGLElPLgeBNg9SEm/S9s5S7NN4IZn4jwZO6lM6J5zN2r6ljInEScB8hIydfl4njbv rKmjZCT01sKlYzsnYTddX5EKHnl412rj6HICeFesF06JuA/HmJf2odxn7+1sXtuRFo HsMTsylSj/kSA== Subject: Re: [Tigers] correct URL Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net On 11/25/2013 8:38 AM, Thomas Prager wrote: > thanks Tom, but I did not see a link to the registry > tom prager The Link is opened by clicking on the "TAC" tab at the top. A new window opens that allows that single search. It is very specific at this time because the database "VIN" column includes the suffix (ie LRXFE, or HROFE, etc.) with a space between the numbers and the suffix. We will be splitting this suffix off into a separate column before the end on the year, and that will make the search entry easier. This site is obviously a "work in progress", so let us know if you have problems. > ----- Original Message ----- > *Sent:* Monday, November 25, 2013 10:22 AM > *Subject:* [Tigers] correct URL > > My e-mail program pulled a run-on last night when I sent my message. > The correct URL is: http://sunbeamtiger.org > > -- > Tom Hall > ModTiger Engineering LLC > www.tigerengineering.net > _______________________________________________ > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tcprager@hotmail.com > > -- Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC www.tigerengineering.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Nov 25 13:55:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9192942F8B for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 13:55:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from exprod5og118.obsmtp.com (exprod5og118.obsmtp.com [64.18.0.160]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 993A8403BC for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 13:55:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from cinmlip11.e2k.ad.ge.com ([12.71.149.1]) (using TLSv1) by exprod5ob118.postini.com ([64.18.4.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUpO41oXizOIE3EHb97/jbY2UZHP54bMW@postini.com; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 12:53:43 PST Received: from unknown (HELO ALPMBHT03.e2k.ad.ge.com) ([3.159.19.196]) by cinmlip11.e2k.ad.ge.com with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 25 Nov 2013 15:53:14 -0500 Received: from CINMBCNA03.e2k.ad.ge.com (3.159.212.57) by ALPMBHT03.e2k.ad.ge.com (3.159.19.196) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.146.0; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 15:53:13 -0500 Received: from CINMBCNA10.e2k.ad.ge.com ([169.254.4.4]) by CINMBCNA03.e2k.ad.ge.com ([3.159.212.57]) with mapi id 14.03.0146.000; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 15:53:13 -0500 From: "Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light)" To: Tom Hall , Thomas Prager , Tiger e-mail List Thread-Topic: [Tigers] correct URL Thread-Index: AQHO6h+EeVe1udCSxkehshleZxGFgZo2au7w Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 20:53:13 +0000 References: <52937944.3090607@comcast.net> <5293B732.7080404@comcast.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [3.159.212.193] Subject: Re: [Tigers] correct URL Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tom, I really like the site upgrade, but unfortunately neither of my TAC'd cars show up no matter how I type my VIN. B382001465 LRXFE - TAC# 718 B382000991 LRXFE - TAC# 808 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tom Hall Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 3:47 PM To: Thomas Prager; Tiger e-mail List Subject: Re: [Tigers] correct URL It is very specific at this time because the database "VIN" column includes the suffix (ie LRXFE, or HROFE, etc.) with a space between the numbers and the suffix. We will be splitting this suffix off into a separate column before the end on the year, and that will make the search entry easier. This site is obviously a "work in progress", so let us know if you have problems. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 26 11:37:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA35542F51 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 11:37:06 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from txasav-vm07.suddenlink.net (txasav-vm07.suddenlink.net [208.180.40.76]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFC604054C for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 11:36:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from Roscrea ([74.196.108.150]) by txasav-vm07.suddenlink.net (InterMail vM.8.04.01.08 201-2343-100-153-20121108) with ESMTP id <20131126183507.XPAT3383.txasav-vm07.suddenlink.net@Roscrea>; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 12:35:07 -0600 From: "Jerry Mo Christopherson" To: "'Jimi Ellard'" , "Tiger Autox" References: <528FDF77.7000208@sbcglobal.net> <1385181302.66924.YahooMailNeo@web142404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, <000001cee965$485b1320$d9113960$@suddenlink.net> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 12:35:05 -0600 Thread-Index: AQITzrYj4CWf/9ILRkOcM1BrfRAVggHAN7uvAUfnrWkBFg1/nZmNHEGA Content-Language: en-us a=xzW3HwPJiLYA:10 a=jPJDawAOAc8A:10 a=VPHkNMUpP2kA:10 a=8LaAqv5HAAAA:8 a=lFRqiuto_48A:10 a=DAwyPP_o2Byb1YXLmDAA:9 a=Zr7miEi8wWIA:10 a=cKsnjEOsciEA:10 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=69EAbJreAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=AAvYLDLOAAAA:8 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=pcLIrrrKAAAA:8 a=pedpZTtsAAAA:8 a=X9edupmJAAAA:8 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=ZjyoRS1gAAAA:8 a=d_U5exV9AAAA:8 a=Xu5wKyTMAAAA:8 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=uTnSPJVzAAAA:8 a=_dN0fWCpAAAA:8 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=lRg9yMTBAAAA:8 a=1HNpm8TpAAAA:8 a=5TM4OHMgX0HP2FCxAH4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=EfJqPEOeqlMA:10 a=gPGHqaX6uacA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=s2loLT2QvaoA:10 a=ILCZio5HsAgA:10 a=QmsNBBw90loA:10 a=ftFGBYpk1mUA:10 a=eJojReuL3h0A:10 a=c09vu5AH8KYA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=nxVznvAcy3vms5PIDlkA:9 a=uLtahIfdyeEhAArf:21 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=tXsnliwV7b4A:10 a=mZINmWK-mjONPtMcTcgA:9 a=KQqxNPgzF0kA:10 a=WW5lsorEGm4A:10 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Inside the Secret Interior of the Navy's First Stealth Destroyer - Defense One Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Well, I'm sorry to say I have no idea what company makes the emblems. I would think if you put out the question to the Tiger group someone would know for sure. Tiger Autox (TIGERS@AUTOX.TEAM.NET) Jerry From: Jimi Ellard [mailto:jimikalico@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 1:19 AM To: jcmc2006@suddenlink.net Subject: RE: Inside the Secret Interior of the Navy's First Stealth Destroyer - Defense One Mornin Jerry, very interesting article, such a backward country.. almost stone age.. I have a question, Do you know of the company who supplys the letters and names that stick to a new dash. I am building a new dash for my Tiger and need the oil pressure, temp, gas, etc emblems.. when I did robs dash he supplied me with the emblems.. but since I have no contact with him.. If you could help I would appreciate it.. Jim Jimi and Connie Howdy Y'all from the Lost PinesImage removed by sender. _____ From: JCMC2006@suddenlink.net To: aaronjkirkland@gmail.com; alanh2154@yahoo.com; albenzing@gmail.com; scottart46@gmail.com; bengann@suddenlink.net; BCAH80@yahoo.com; BGround@aol.com; CKTegge@msn.com; BuckTrippel@verizon.net; chacon@suddenlink.net; chacon@suddenlink.net; hesscdh@gmail.com; cchesley65@gmail.com; mustangclw@gmail.com; Danny.Alexander@suddenlink.net; david@mygrace.us; d3dw@sbcglobal.net; hie2005@yahoo.com; Cammer08@gmail.com; emhanson@bellsouth.net; gary2813@aol.com; jujuwright@suddenlink.net; gdmorrisco@aol.com; jsellis@suddenlinkmail.com; jimbonniehanson@gmail.com; jimjacobs38@aol.com; jimikalico@hotmail.com; jchaigler@gmail.com; jwhans@charter.net; 117858@gmail.com; l_moliver@nctv.com; ljeffcoat41@hotmail.com; lynhandy@yahoo.com; Lindseyb1961@yahoo.com; whitt@goarallison.com; mramsey@valspar.com; mikepearce5@cox.net; spencer1913@sbcglobal.net; itpaulscott@gmail.com; pengle@cox.net; racetig@hotmail.com; rowensjr@tyler.net; roger@arrick.com; rschoenbrun@gmail.com; christophersonshirley59@gmail.com; slchris@yahoo.com; Christopherson7@msn.com; tcaj@sw.rr.com; waynesheryl@comcast.net; w.kirkland@wireropeworks.com Subject: FW: Inside the Secret Interior of the Navy's First Stealth Destroyer - Defense One Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 16:34:04 -0600 Something "new "for our side! Pretty cool! Jerry Friday, November 22, 2013 5:49 PM http://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2013/11/inside-secret-interior-navys-first-s tealth-destroyer/74321/?oref=d-topstory%3Foref%3Dd-interstitial-continue [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image001.jpg] _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Nov 26 15:51:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29DE342F01 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 15:51:22 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f171.google.com (mail-ob0-f171.google.com [209.85.214.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07B5C4285B for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 15:50:17 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ob0-f171.google.com with SMTP id wp18so6519097obc.2 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 14:48:39 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Xu9/LOsdrekAfY+92euP1sywlBq24dwIdazu1heIp/M=; b=bUYqeTQbHlbNrPp1UToxGM7UWxwUfldHdhiEOMLt6ScZTM96ZUj2sZqIKfOdYIjvVM QCIAOliqnro5Mqule1W+mcGilvCeCOUuUAXg/1PeMxax6+/EHEJpo78EItgvlAYReovP 4A9cG+1ac3Wn4KfBnTO5dpxwP9b4LgMyXFfFJ9DZazfxFlNuuCrMMPgA8mJ2CcN4BIpC NASjecujNNJF05QFrhUqjhvZOIh4DgC9ZXH16fDZklWemAzhGHZNDYU4F60Yp4m71Y6y Gp4t4Rc1Ko/yikoK/c6IdJS77OFZ6P9nE/yeWKRyN16r0cg5Hr9s3AXOnr97t63GKnHQ E6WA== oi7mr2805589oeb.74.1385506119755; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 14:48:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.228.65 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 14:48:39 -0800 (PST) References: <528FDF77.7000208@sbcglobal.net> <1385181302.66924.YahooMailNeo@web142404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <000001cee965$485b1320$d9113960$@suddenlink.net> <000401ceead6$3a1af830$ae50e890$@suddenlink.net> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 09:48:39 +1100 From: michael king To: Jerry Mo Christopherson Cc: Jimi Ellard , Tiger Autox Subject: Re: [Tigers] Inside the Secret Interior of the Navy's First Stealth Destroyer - Defense One Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net > Mornin Jerry, very interesting article, such a backward country.. almost > stone age.. I have a question, Do you know of the company who supplys the > letters and names that stick to a new dash. I am building a new dash for my > Tiger and need the oil pressure, temp, gas, etc emblems.. when I did robs > dash he supplied me with the emblems.. but since I have no contact with > him.. If you could help I would appreciate it.. Jim > > Jimi and Connie Howdy Y'all from the Lost PinesImage removed by sender. > There are no letters on the dash for the gauges... there are white letraset letters on the wood for "PANEL" "LIGHTS" "WIPERS" the gauges have their labels in the actual gauge. -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 27 10:39:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7FF942F1C for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 10:39:44 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d08.mx.aol.com (omr-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.207]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4050140453 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 10:38:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.137]) by omr-d08.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 5233E700443D4 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 12:36:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mfa003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mfa003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.47.143]) by mtaomg-da01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 286C2E000088 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 12:36:56 -0500 (EST) From: AAAGLASSS@aol.com Full-name: AAAGLASSS Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 12:36:56 -0500 (EST) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1385573816; bh=CJyR6fr7zhQZNzqZkdEP6Us0tPgnhA4dZzTx2LepnPw=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=DbYjnS2Dc9BL3svqVJloHfajsiPED5Nl+/M9oEw7+ZvsNVFM+/orwARGG/kRNzh+G zggz+tKhzgEeJc2bvr2dnBdvEGqQiuehwBI+Gn99Zc5horlfTAdKoTkiFQMwD8H1Hh oiK1t4fT6L0SePmFYI1NHUjTT8t8L1Xf3BrguPcE= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338952962db80a5b Subject: [Tigers] NEW KITTY Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Jaguar F-Type The two-seat, rear-wheel-drive sports convertible was unveiled at the Paris auto show in 2012 and went on sale in the U.S. earlier this summer. Jaguar says the F Type has the company's most advanced use of lightweight aluminum to date, giving it a stiffer and more dynamic ride. There are three engine choices: Jaguar's new 3.0-liter V6 with either 340 horsepower or 380 horsepower outputs, or a 5.0-liter supercharged V8 with 495 horsepower. The latter can go from zero to 60 mph in 4.2 seconds and has a top speed of 186 mph. All are mated to an eight-speed transmission. On the inside, Jaguar has modified its touch-screen controls and now has physical dials for heating and ventilation. On the outside, there's a big grille and vertical headlights that follow the sleek lines of the car. To help the flow, the door handles remain flush with the car until they're unlocked, and a hidden rear spoiler rises at 60 mph and lowers again when the speed drops below 40 mph. The F Type starts at $69,000 excluding shipping. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 27 11:14:59 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 783D842F3D for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 11:14:59 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f43.google.com (mail-pb0-f43.google.com [209.85.160.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 660D642F03 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 11:13:59 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pb0-f43.google.com with SMTP id rq2so10893080pbb.16 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 10:12:17 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=sbClqj9MyhWMr9KthYABHyogeMFg/wJgO8NsrPPX51s=; b=MLcpTXJoEs/+qEIHARDFbEVxZhQINhv4eL2ipfRUfgiY0D3RJJUKqlLf2oBLoAE11+ mkTzVAurDE7NWVdayAD/X+MKwR5W9EWNxseveHh7dyLqlPhm0FGigffDkLeTx/R88cLo 9l6jJqfBamuv/M58/xqCOdGEFYlnHoODZF8i/0WshrzqYpVyF0LYrKKb+GpVJCKeF7iP B6yzqQZqTRdOSdCyiUDlcKuxo89TDCUi+uVz4nH20FQu3WA/uyfuz2ay95+gqs5zfGlV poPTU8497S56jbpoXqkKXFBgGiOP50xXly6P/3B7ef9OHpIeV5EQ7niiyL3DhYk0FQkT o0Mw== l6mr3683240pbe.152.1385575937225; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 10:12:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.105.227 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 10:12:17 -0800 (PST) References: <7c7f7.42797d5a.3fc787b7@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 13:12:17 -0500 From: Owain Lloyd To: "AAAGLASSS@aol.com" Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] NEW KITTY Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net there is a hard top with even more power coming too. i'm becoming quite interested in it and i'm thinking it would be a good companion to my c-type (although probably slower!). seen a few around new york and it does look bad-ass! On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 12:36 PM, wrote: > Jaguar F-Type > The two-seat, rear-wheel-drive sports convertible was unveiled at the > Paris auto show in 2012 and went on sale in the U.S. earlier this summer. > Jaguar says the F Type has the company's most advanced use of lightweight > aluminum to date, giving it a stiffer and more dynamic ride. There are > three > engine choices: Jaguar's new 3.0-liter V6 with either 340 horsepower or 380 > horsepower outputs, or a 5.0-liter supercharged V8 with 495 horsepower. The > latter can go from zero to 60 mph in 4.2 seconds and has a top speed of 186 > mph. All are mated to an eight-speed transmission. On the inside, Jaguar > has > modified its touch-screen controls and now has physical dials for heating > and ventilation. On the outside, there's a big grille and vertical > headlights that follow the sleek lines of the car. To help the flow, the > door > handles remain flush with the car until they're unlocked, and a hidden > rear > spoiler rises at 60 mph and lowers again when the speed drops below 40 > mph. The > F Type starts at $69,000 excluding shipping. > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 27 12:34:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4015142F19 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 12:34:21 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm46.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm46.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.120.53]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0F3E1403BB for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 12:33:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] by nm46.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2013 19:31:35 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.177] by nm46.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2013 19:28:35 -0000 Received: from [66.196.81.171] by tm12.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2013 19:28:35 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.204] by tm17.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2013 19:28:35 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1013.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2013 19:28:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 55564 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Nov 2013 19:28:35 -0000 s=s1024; t=1385580515; bh=ohGhBvC50jyrIuHpJpHE4MzBdy8oJ/vbrh8smQ/pAXs=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=AzBvQJZvjt4DaFJFb5YWBJ2jtwyZFQJPCac2EoR0gJRNM8/lW/DSMRLjNj+wOIuCbZmMV8VM62EMg1Th/1tjRhnSQlQnvPPNxjuNQmlO0j2HKaV3h1Kqnn5CowaCyYzdsyoir/fUSOjBEEY5kmuOMvTCaLHw9n8flbvKuq5nzxg= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=dxDJ78tsJwaeONqOcaxAhx+ndrdNQZDh7a0oZ18Ah6gAh1kapmlNfhK301UnaRIcHhIuO/okFUxxrwfISmuOEiHuqYU5EKXM3FpeMN2iMzIkwqGcE1UidIBCYQxSS/HxjTc+uNxl4++9VqN96iGIukRt29piC5Doq38ac7dulME=; 2DRXXtp05P0r91j3ofZKg9PhI2ZfoHMnff927vZolNFegOgj_oHEyc1uIxid 5M9iVVXGn0QidxINVkuITPIRLHiP9fSPzvnj95AWwY9laBzjQ_Yy3kh7Zwj4 CzwTLZQ5WUMGysBswXx.aQprFIMTSn.6Ba23h02V_K6EQ83U3Qj_0ogcJloL Z0fvmXxsnqBoMTz4G3AspluDB6AsH0JflH42mMdWDkg09xBHgTEg_dtZcHBg y04lFTpkmM4k4G4_nU_hoiq7HT.u3.dlcLjs8rJulRZfqEQU3UXyNcuuPUtZ uVXMR354Z07jQGTN.1Awnfws8ILsPke.K0UiPCtj.JwByExl12fOzQwovZUl vaNrvaanN1SvWg4UPOKIb56iwqKhYVpC2.y0jW6nR2oc7rYtwG0erXMxJj_M m2TZUmsr9.qECm1hKt1IgzcDU8Pf17urWaXld21XJY3Cpt.O84BwuHihSppt UvVZD6poeJnrXtA832Ngucbn5.cZ4JcEfaheXVWO2dvEt27WiW94zXf2sJZD fa2iDLknfTCUeI2rbVxrMCyaKdSEg5hPbWgiQxNP12thZe5UpnNd0kPNgqWq VcPzPBA-- Received: from [173.48.171.26] by web161001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 11:28:34 PST VGhlIGNvbnZlcnRpYmxlIHdhcyBhdCBMYW5kIFJvdmVyIFBhcmFtdXMgKE5KKSBmb3IgYSBzbmVhayBwZWFrIGxhc3QgeWVhci4gV2hhdCBJJ2QgbGlrZSB0byBzZWUgaXMgdGhlIG5ldyBjb3VwZSB2ZXJzaW9uLCB3aGljaCBpcyBzdXBwb3NlZCB0byBiZSBvbiBkaXNwbGF5IGF0IHRoZSBMQSBBdXRvIFNob3cgKGFzIEkgcG9zdCwgSUlSQykuCgpSYW5kZSBCZWxsbWFuCgoKCgoKT24gV2VkbmVzZGF5LCBOb3ZlbWJlciAyNywgMjAxMyAxOjEzIFBNLCBPd2FpbiBMbG95ZCA8b3dhaW4ubGxveWRAZ21haWwuY28BMAEBAQE- References: <7c7f7.42797d5a.3fc787b7@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 11:28:34 -0800 (PST) From: snakebit289 To: "owain.lloyd@gmail.com" Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] NEW KITTY Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The convertible was at Land Rover Paramus (NJ) for a sneak peak last year. What I'd like to see is the new coupe version, which is supposed to be on display at the LA Auto Show (as I post, IIRC). Rande Bellman On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 1:13 PM, Owain Lloyd wrote: there is a hard top with even more power coming too. i'm becoming quite interested in it and i'm thinking it would be a good companion to my c-type (although probably slower!). seen a few around new york and it does look bad-ass! On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 12:36 PM, wrote: > Jaguar F-Type > The two-seat, rear-wheel-drive sports convertible was unveiled at the > Paris auto show in 2012 and went on sale in the U.S. earlier this summer. > Jaguar says the F Type has the company's most advanced use of lightweight > aluminum to date, giving it a stiffer and more dynamic ride. There are > three > engine choices: Jaguar's new 3.0-liter V6 with either 340 horsepower or 380 > horsepower outputs, or a 5.0-liter supercharged V8 with 495 horsepower. The > latter can go from zero to 60 mph in 4.2 seconds and has a top speed of 186 > mph. All are mated to an eight-speed transmission. On the inside, Jaguar > has > modified its touch-screen controls and now has physical dials for heating > and ventilation. On the outside, there's a big grille and vertical > headlights that follow the sleek lines of the car. To help the flow, the > door > handles remain flush with the car until they're unlocked, and a hidden > rear > spoiler rises at 60 mph and lowers again when the speed drops below 40 > mph. The > F Type starts at $69,000 excluding shipping. > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/snakebit289@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 27 13:32:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA60842F1B for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 13:32:50 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4CAB742F01 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 13:26:25 -0700 (MST) s=alpha; t=1385583881; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=To:Date:Subject:Content-Type:From:Message-Id; b=psfMe4f7tenCpfdpW5RyfFw1k9kpEAOdmD8xGbAYvI9WYYZby3BMuWEW73Np1bA8P 5XJSKxdyLY8qWFALUw+kDYaNR/Wva3C+BzWU3qcyMyWnEK9RwZ7R46p+rEIu2P2e1s ImNWW7ktvciVGoPlSyuukeEEVmmRVDC2IKARpXYw= Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (mailpop05.vgs.untd.com [10.181.45.25]) by smtpout02.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABKKNXHPAXTC2A2 for (sender ); Wed, 27 Nov 2013 12:24:13 -0800 (PST) To: tigers@autox.team.net Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 12:23:38 -0800 From: Subject: [Tigers] Jaguar F type Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net My neighbor who runs a Jag dealership came home the other night with the supercharged V6 and tossed me the key. Wow, car is solid, very well designed, great interior and super fast with the exhaust crackling when you let off the gas. I would be in serious trouble with this car. Problem too, Jag reliability issues which are still severe. ____________________________________________________________ Do THIS before eating carbs (every time) 1 EASY tip to increase fat-burning, lower blood sugar & decrease fat storage http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/529654edda21254ed538ast02vuc _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 27 15:36:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECB8242F41 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 15:36:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm17-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm17-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.58]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9021F42F09 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 15:35:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.101.130] by nm17.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2013 22:33:43 -0000 Received: from [98.138.101.171] by tm18.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2013 22:33:43 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1082.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2013 22:33:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 66383 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Nov 2013 22:33:43 -0000 s=s1024; t=1385591623; bh=+oMF5W1EU6xfzDcfUtJ2gu3JYlA8OxFM94ohCO6xLMI=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ET5woGpyJRg1pS+TYzBEYX3Zt2jZ7psJim9I/ukfvE92hFe6xzfRm8nm73R+7MeiKhq9onMBKM6shPtcCMPepCU30mkzHbjhbs5+9svcg1c+L1Rd/OjPsD+eq02RdQCpFxsIlP3BE2TQHh8zGksC/K9JmGp1QEUnWio0s3bIQnk= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=sq2oIaOYU1lJiN/GXEqgr4I6S5AtHLlfrG+uGHQ1v5+k6cCVIBc/KToKcQHPz/DESPbWtT7w0ttXjVv5kypOs4eFvS0nRsbEmK9eFfJ9P1gGL02f5fIRNseSfx8JW6VEugqu+rHqaJj4ihLsg4EMNiIandRLy/Qmgc60XNFbpIg=; k_5IXRfwRLAHBaN3lAOUtk41Z_wNMpodrGYwztqBKM6AvbVbSN7jpHUC2zqt IOHUGQZNrgYZ0GjyTxHiVqp4AS28paUaaBrgwsPTsgvyUfTWE6UDnT_hYT2i Mw.2q4VbhfjJhSx4qgQS34kWxR6dsrNaBi8K024AzMhlst1698mzs81M_84I JZoET9gVF9EijzzlkZcQM7dPYtuKMkVcFcqm731gvgjQm5qgb57qyEGeOGcA AYZN0WamCYjdubTipAxHRmDlHng9DZ6e32qIe8HxfMq89XMPEh9MmdWTNIkM pgpKsPWEq1LLgYmPr24nJgquwUUHeCxlIN_auUXRrWXqTNoBse6Wc2eU8TXa r0Xv6eZAF6AYe_jPTWyijvZA9WMP_qRf8w_.Yzjudg2u_wc3no5AcmmVAGNy fwGszCoMi2q6oyEgCD2QftSNwzQaaqds698iPy.E4zfrzRZszH4hJf9qT_Xw 48ik8GMwuHpOthDgUAI8WwDYuCt3Ru7YGT.XbyrT8DFnC1o86Cup4TP_dRx2 OKmDh_hUTWq2OAX01Z8aYy_IOoXdOWD2NEdBKOtB3uXgr9UdSUejXiYuG9lp 8QGIl8Z19s_DdNwvcy7QNo1IRQw-- Received: from [97.93.177.222] by web121901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 14:33:43 PST SSBsb3ZlIHRoZSBjYXIuLi4ganVzdCBjYW4ndCBicmluZyBteXNlbGYgdG8gY29uc2lkZXIgYW55dGhpbmcgd2l0aG91dCBhIG1hbnVhbCB0cmFubnkuIFRoZXkgc2F5IGEgbWFudWFsIDYtc3BlZWQgd2lsbCBiZSBvZmZlcmVkLCBidXQgdGhhdCdzIGJlZW4gdGhlIHN0b3J5bGluZSBmb3IgYSB3aGlsZSBub3cgd2l0aCBubyBzcGVjaWZpYyBhdmFpbGFiaWxpdHkgZGF0ZS4gwqA6KAoKU3RlcGhlbiBXYXlicmlnaHQKCgpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwogRnJvbTogImJyb2NrY3RlbGwBMAEBAQE- References: Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 14:33:43 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Waybright To: "brockctella@juno.com" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Jaguar F type Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I love the car... just can't bring myself to consider anything without a manual tranny. They say a manual 6-speed will be offered, but that's been the storyline for a while now with no specific availability date. :( Stephen Waybright ________________________________ From: "brockctella@juno.com" To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 2:23 PM Subject: [Tigers] Jaguar F type My neighbor who runs a Jag dealership came home the other night with the supercharged V6 and tossed me the key. Wow, car is solid, very well designed, great interior and super fast with the exhaust crackling when you let off the gas. I would be in serious trouble with this car. Problem too, Jag reliability issues which are still severe. ____________________________________________________________ Do THIS before eating carbs (every time) 1 EASY tip to increase fat-burning, lower blood sugar & decrease fat storage http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/529654edda21254ed538ast02vuc _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/gswaybright@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 27 15:52:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72DF942F41 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 15:52:17 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ob0-f180.google.com (mail-ob0-f180.google.com [209.85.214.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0559242F09 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 15:48:00 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ob0-f180.google.com with SMTP id wo20so7906880obc.25 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 14:46:17 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=GbgqOiCyD9j+8DzNB0UAbWyMtZtCg6XeJmoncLQsJC4=; b=N2mlu+kpDyOT8sSIDa5rHh14PYi7wWz/FWe6uDkIkpbXrZ+Q4dUIsZPIufkzQU3AMY XZduebrgSpe5+z5iqDSBa6dulWx0CAyC6YaVoXfZ0qz2YXKcsF9kZnLz7A37D88pYmxX PEZNX9R8OWJZfztmkTOWSHzyBNkTrbfgSn50unenUF3gqhizkgOt3WP4bsGiKDVKewcS rhk9TWYYRzXvulen7XEUHbQvXEX8yTBqz5EvKrJ9i2eJokqsoMV5yYGQwfPXj28dROHh BaQrmhq0cO3TD/4RH6EVn5fTB1HolYpsbGnZ4lIS35g0xHXq7aIUgivkuUUGMGw5aEeK pgAA== Wed, 27 Nov 2013 14:46:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.228.65 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 14:46:17 -0800 (PST) References: <1385591623.16899.YahooMailNeo@web121901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 09:46:17 +1100 From: michael king To: Stephen Waybright Cc: "brockctella@juno.com" , "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Jaguar F type Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Stephen, Don't hold your breath... most manufacturers seems to be moving away from proper manuals.. they are all shifting to the dual clutch paddle systems... it's very sad and if you look at manufacturers like Lamborghini, Ferrari ad McLaren they now have top sports models that have no "stick shift" option at all.... the days of drivers actually having skill and co-ordination seem to be numbered. I know the dual clutch gearboxes can change faster than I can.. but it doesn't make them more fun.. and I still get a smile every time i heel toe it down a gear On 28 November 2013 09:33, Stephen Waybright wrote: > I love the car... just can't bring myself to consider anything without a > manual tranny. They say a manual 6-speed will be offered, but that's been > the > storyline for a while now with no specific availability date. :( > > Stephen > Waybright > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 27 15:53:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB5D742F4B for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 15:53:21 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f181.google.com (mail-ie0-f181.google.com [209.85.223.181]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5232942F09 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 15:51:45 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ie0-f181.google.com with SMTP id e14so13323272iej.12 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 14:50:02 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=message-id:content-transfer-encoding:reply-to:references :in-reply-to:sensitivity:importance:subject:to:from:date :content-type:mime-version; bh=n4LhhQMPqEOr61Fhpev4AkU66HbYwxyi7b0vhOgtOiM=; b=kL4HK9dZohmI4zWVIufB0Jf/DXCFT1j36JODe68+KRZqVqur/+LRsarvwdPly/Exsu QaX56u0t0m3BqO3l2t3T5V3KlcMKMnUDR9+bXVLKUR7kv3P45yQZKUT3VlR7uyARwHaj ZVGKWrU4eGhnhY0pCEizqLjDwY9Q0T3kVw29y7bNHA1Ukz4yFUcb4SGvDqrQOJC/zXH0 kC2bBRCRiuX9GeLZKfoMT8bBMcqE0eyzAzMPjbEVY8n8uQn/HdvkLRcPNnmeQymuIXzm JwEb/Uusr5HmqZJFup9pQf+5YxWxjj1ZC69vDt0udly081eCC7Av+RNmG1n2scVG6vAh 8iKA== vd18mr260793igb.6.1385592602644; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 14:50:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.29.196.187 (bda-74-82-80-176.bis6.us.blackberry.com. [74.82.80.176]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id da14sm1323263igc.1.2013.11.27.14.50.01 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 27 Nov 2013 14:50:02 -0800 (PST) References: <1385591623.16899.YahooMailNeo@web121901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Sensitivity: Normal To: "Stephen Waybright" ,"brockctella@juno.com" , "tigers@autox.team.net" From: jay.laifman@gmail.com Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 22:49:59 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Jaguar F type Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Manual transmission? An engineer at Porsche was recently asked about how Porsche could drop manual transmissions from their cars. His response was a classic: "Ve like the manual transmission; ve just like better being fastest." Get it? FastEST. That said, for my purposes, I will stick with my stick. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Waybright To: brockctella@juno.com; tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Jaguar F type I love the car... just can't bring myself to consider anything without a manual tranny. They say a manual 6-speed will be offered, but that's been the storyline for a while now with no specific availability date. :( Stephen Waybright ________________________________ From: "brockctella@juno.com" To: tigers@autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 2:23 PM Subject: [Tigers] Jaguar F type My neighbor who runs a Jag dealership came home the other night with the supercharged V6 and tossed me the key. Wow, car is solid, very well designed, great interior and super fast with the exhaust crackling when you let off the gas. I would be in serious trouble with this car. Problem too, Jag reliability issues which are still severe. ____________________________________________________________ Do THIS before eating carbs (every time) 1 EASY tip to increase fat-burning, lower blood sugar & decrease fat storage http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/529654edda21254ed538ast02vuc _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/gswaybright@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 27 15:57:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C87442F1C for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 15:57:02 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1673F403BB for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 15:56:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from bradakis.com (50-198-190-18-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BAA1A036E for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 15:55:15 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 15:55:14 -0700 From: Mark J Bradakis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/24.0 SeaMonkey/2.21 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" References: <1385591623.16899.YahooMailNeo@web121901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Jaguar F type Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net michael king wrote: > Stephen, > > Don't hold your breath... most manufacturers seems to be moving away from > proper manuals.. Well, in a few minutes I'll be driving down to Phoenix from SLC, taking my wife's Camry, an automatic, instead of my manual S10. Oh well. Back late sunday, hope Team.Net doesn't blow up while I am gone. mjb. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 27 16:10:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B26F42F47 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 16:10:22 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm3-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm3-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.19]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B14A340511 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 16:06:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.100.117] by nm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2013 23:04:48 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.167] by tm108.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2013 23:04:48 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1068.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2013 23:04:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 49300 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Nov 2013 23:04:48 -0000 s=s1024; t=1385593488; bh=1bheh0kVa1bmt4wQHWtROUOxht+cfUtcugdQkLk9BVg=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=CZBeX3NpWvjzaKcT1jod1QNaPBfPF0CPCcGkEAafwTKYaBAsyuZrX/ss04xsn2Z6EK1hnUL9k19/ByOZlhrafoByLlzIxvcs1hp9zvpb4uCZGtXdUSSmOY7y/xJ+8Ce1tZykylZi+Pkhu0xtQVhcAEi7V7yOvLYvZ+AmrLMM6B8= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=cKnoA8XYkNBMS+mXB5KIMHp77mQplVPmTpshAMpiKA5bS6EHHgcqwecam0cX2kdbaOJeTHI85YAwML27g4MHwXPjJZBaoUwL3ckUWkndm5Y3LSLhH11u9FhGvrGITthLiilKKT5TFAQu0tTQq3CRTeQQd2448714cjI4c14+OiI=; mp5D23jl1F2ryQXZIPLK7J0eti1Ni9tteChBubTKzTEJD9Yrphtu6wFm6Vy2 GAFzcpUZr3fIvlCLYAlJUyPGS3mPHVvNnMsQ.A5_G6lYkTHXbB4oYd.8go._ a91rTZSkLeI.xa9.glBKc.EqfQvw2W5ahku0.Ql3bW0OowcfpWesymDGV5_s YPKy99Ru46iAgJctPALDKofNH78LlBiT4MMZOjXTtEtHIOI_lnWeRw79_NOd r46SSWVGE4Qq9r_uA.L91.IsNyJDAoYqxD2O3lVPkuAm7nMjKW5W2h1XbZ5P OUOd1bUcUGu1eyyAGlTiGoe8w8OCeZZaHwlpbjw7cJfmeOt8yUEdX1HjyUf8 X3ZRzzbJuveJ06ZJAAMV6WJK03ORJw19RlLLJcGBV6qHXX.9yBjDWl77FSmc 750kcQep.fDcaHn2.it51VNGHjf8OCZ42zyxblra22zR0c5atOjG29DVYXTl LJcnGwYYn8TFqZw5xD0XEpi3RwtlIkakfcmfG.wKkp0l.HxPHasDs6hAw_m8 YVIWbJpyBFB_aKt9Qqm7.EdHHy2prq4kHpSYNnLp3WWRUZbwFTWmqxDoRG09 m.qk- Received: from [97.93.177.222] by web121902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 15:04:48 PST VGhlcmUncyBhIHRpbWUgYW5kIHBsYWNlIHdoZW4gSSBwcmVmZXIgYW4gYXV0b21hdGljOyB0b3dpbmcgd2l0aCBteSBGMjUwLCByb2FkdHJpcHMgaW4gbXkgd2lmZSdzIFJvdXRvbiwgYW5kIHRoZSBvY2Nhc2lvbmFsIHN0b3AgYW5kIGdvIHRyYWZmaWMgamFtIHJlbWluZHMgbWUgdGhhdCBteSBhZ2Ugd2lsbCBldmVudHVhbGx5IG1ha2UgYSB1c2luZyBhIGNsdXRjaCBtdWNoIG1vcmUgYnVyZGVuIHRoYW4gc2hpZnRpbmcgd2lsbCBvZmZzZXQsIGJ1dCBmb3Igbm93IEkgcmVxdWlyZSBhIG1hbnVhbCBpbiBteSABMAEBAQE- References: <1385591623.16899.YahooMailNeo@web121901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <52967852.20501@bradakis.com> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 15:04:48 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Waybright To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Jaguar F type Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net There's a time and place when I prefer an automatic; towing with my F250, roadtrips in my wife's Routon, and the occasional stop and go traffic jam reminds me that my age will eventually make a using a clutch much more burden than shifting will offset, but for now I require a manual in my sportscars. :) Stephen ________________________________ From: Mark J Bradakis To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 4:55 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Jaguar F type michael king wrote: > Stephen, > > Don't hold your breath... most manufacturers seems to be moving away from > proper manuals.. Well, in a few minutes I'll be driving down to Phoenix from SLC, taking my wife's Camry, an automatic, instead of my manual S10. Oh well. Back late sunday, hope Team.Net doesn't blow up while I am gone. mjb. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 27 16:27:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBE4A42F48 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 16:27:17 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qe0-f54.google.com (mail-qe0-f54.google.com [209.85.128.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F52042F08 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 16:27:12 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qe0-f54.google.com with SMTP id cy11so6573127qeb.13 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 15:25:30 -0800 (PST) h=message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ORmh3zN1bATvz3EuR7NGI6Qe+MSFdHMvf70YvqSVbYM=; b=LYscsMsI4kZFp5pgHyfOIYu6He0FPDXv4CJKsLdegyRS0Dsoo3cG3PgN1z8zNSem8H LG7wzkvWIp5mXNhNvRoW6yyVnuuNam+BpWtslSZQjDseN7lIbU2d8FhbIEd0PM5FTvgc v5W9N5WaSpkQRcKGzFMqOb0tAvFoWC1KEe/U0= d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to :subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ORmh3zN1bATvz3EuR7NGI6Qe+MSFdHMvf70YvqSVbYM=; b=MuUzQJjMw3b7HiscbjoLN6XYaF8EeyNycQ5UJIt/KBOdHqNvvNZ1rixezBMCD2KUhL bg9J6txatGrttCc7QPzxFhrUgR+DeHJbACD1GHF9YwmkZthy3Je48yDISy3G3PCYF01a aFaD3vA93aYCUTh+oQi3K53Nji2oQDw1nimRFVRxLkqrh8IjABO5lOnFKWaVzqvcqOXP pEh9/mM39KB1oh8GebzC2cep5WkrrgWNazU1xXv8UxoeikmPjhrvRSCFng7mujTXswPu nmhSOwU0/CCjIqrqfYRaPCMJYwD/CgryXZsKzOYc4kD09qlI/uUyL3INFscKQAZCq7/x DnuA== c14mr7290284qey.79.1385594730150; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 15:25:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from DavePC (DRMONS0540W-156034170254.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOp.ns.bellaliant.net. [156.34.170.254]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id r5sm150515422qaj.13.2013.11.27.15.25.29 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 27 Nov 2013 15:25:29 -0800 (PST) From: "Dave Munroe" To: "Mark J Bradakis" , References: <1385591623.16899.YahooMailNeo@web121901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <52967852.20501@bradakis.com> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 19:25:27 -0400 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Jaguar F type Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net In 2010 I tried to replace my '07 full-house 5-speed manual tranny Suburu Forester, but was told they were now only available in their bottom end models. I was working with the CAA (Canadian version of the AAA in the U.S. and Australia..) at the time, and had our research folks check on the numbers of manual transmission cars being sold in Canada. The number came back as less than 6%. This was in 2010! Its less than that now. I bought a BMW 6 speed manual X3 instead. Now, in this area at least, there are NO BMW cars being brought in with manual transmissions. Its a sign of the times. Cars are being produced that practically drive themselves. For sure they park themselves! Driving schools are teaching the next gen of drivers in automatic equipped cars. Folks find it difficult to shave, install make-up, text a message, read the paper and/or talk on their phones while eating a sandwich, AND shift gears too. The gears have to go. Only old farts and the odd young fella who likes fast cars want a manual tranny anymore. Another reason to like (and preserve!) vintage and antique cars! Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Jaguar F type > michael king wrote: >> Stephen, >> >> Don't hold your breath... most manufacturers seems to be moving away from >> proper manuals.. > > Well, in a few minutes I'll be driving down to Phoenix from SLC, taking my > wife's Camry, an automatic, instead of my manual S10. Oh well. > > Back late sunday, hope Team.Net doesn't blow up while I am gone. > > mjb. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 27 16:30:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ACC142F37 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 16:30:27 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E77F40511 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 16:29:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from optiplex3301 ([unknown] [108.47.114.228]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MWY00MDS3U6KU20@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for tigers@autox.team.net; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 17:27:43 -0600 (CST) From: "Thomas Witt" To: References: <1385591623.16899.YahooMailNeo@web121901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <52967852.20501@bradakis.com> <1385593488.11117.YahooMailNeo@web121902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 15:27:43 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Jaguar F type Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The economy cars out of Asia have been a traditional "manual installed" vehicle. Three years ago my wife went looking for a Civic with a manual 5 speed. It turned out to be quite a search. Apparently the Civic with manual installations is below 10%. Over on the Studebaker site there was quite a discussion going on about how so few kids today can even drive a manual car. The irony..., the first time my wife rented a car with an automatic she had to ask how to use it. LOL Tom _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 27 17:59:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29E4F42F16 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 17:59:44 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF61D40400 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 17:59:37 -0700 (MST) a=uxyNepwUaEovhIUyLB0i+g==:17 a=zTVDa7HKqxcA:10 a=nu3oTIcILOYA:10 a=doupyKFmAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=Q_F2lUZnAAAA:8 a=ZLycugrOcLK8w25PNSYA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=8UuQ9zJfmPQA:10 a=pqyP1Ro4c6QA:10 a=tXetvahhqjF2ehJLVYkA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=uxyNepwUaEovhIUyLB0i+g==:117 Received: from [75.83.202.59] ([75.83.202.59:50524] helo=BillPC) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 44/82-00728-11596925; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 00:57:54 +0000 From: "Bill Rogers" To: "Tigers" Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 16:57:43 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] A new Cat Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I was at the Press reveal of the Jag F-Type Coupe Iat the LA Auto Show and with all the interest have added pix to my website. www.motorsportmemories.com/current. Bill _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 27 18:10:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D937842F1C for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 18:10:56 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.17]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 327AD42713 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 18:10:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.27]) by qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id up8g1m0030bG4ec5Ap97dL; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 01:09:07 +0000 Received: from sbrennanPC ([98.229.210.30]) by omta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id up971m00B0fu9Ni3Pp97B9; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 01:09:07 +0000 From: "Stu Brennan" To: "Thomas Witt" , References: <1385591623.16899.YahooMailNeo@web121901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><52967852.20501@bradakis.com><1385593488.11117.YahooMailNeo@web121902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 20:09:05 -0500 s=q20121106; t=1385600947; bh=U6eKB/rXqrpSM41FVvowYgWr0jQyfoGo8uQOxxDqIrg=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=WwGMK5LDMU2yeyPi0nbA3eE6RaxzMR3SrJ0B64b0hquFPwBOlwFfaSzD22tckBFR/ a1buVlV/qSmlHCij0IPiSeS3SzQYo+CGMGCyeDPZggVypiKn0Hemw9bdbAgtTdejI/ bXfgL0hj4Fxh/emOriUl98HRs9S+sqTEVTNSg6oez5FXOjeFmyzAkH4jllOhFzHGNq qWAE/RTRmQGweyEHk6zyOGWoApGgY3QnFmahVCX03R0l8y57oIQP89DJvb/k2LuI/u h83Qnb+E/2/i4wGebLpIH2DJXv3m9JhR7JBSSFDNMDj6SLcAfcDj7HNvbB/QPf6fzI CUtEmfpvEYLwQ== Subject: Re: [Tigers] Jaguar F type Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net My daughter, a couple years out of college and finally in a job that has a future, decided to buy a new car. She selected a Hyundai Genesis coupe, with a standard transmission. Neat car. I had to drive it home from the dealer for her, because she had never driven a standard. That weekend, my son and I gave her lessons, and got her going. 18,000 Miles later the clutch still seems to be alive, but, having ridden with her, its days are numbered. She drove the Tiger. Once, after many requests. There have been no further requests. After a memorable encounter with a shallow but snow covered hill last winter, she borrowed our spare Escape anytime snow was in the forecast. But now, in typical overreacting fashion, shebs looking for new, winter safe, wheels. A Jeep, the 4 door Wrangler, with, yes, another standard transmission. My view is that an automatic can be better in slippery conditions, allowing you gently apply low levels of power, without slipping the clutch. That was my experience from my old Cherokee and Explorer, but she is having none of it. But checking the inventory of area dealers, there arenbt that many Jeeps with her desired option packages, that also have standards. Anyway, there are still a few young folks out there who want to shift for themselves. Stu _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 27 18:12:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E114E42B41 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 18:12:28 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm6-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm6-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.166]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id AE38342713 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 18:12:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from [98.138.101.129] by nm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2013 01:10:40 -0000 Received: from [98.138.101.180] by tm17.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2013 01:10:40 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1091.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2013 01:10:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 24759 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Nov 2013 01:10:40 -0000 s=s1024; t=1385601039; bh=AtoihytHspIS0OrjJcL63GOXwniX/DBnZ2kHXEDOTjo=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Q1+ByGoIODY0DpYL8ymjoD4CSGXk2g8o+OMUDJAdRWE+DU5s8i/XNCBWQYojIlMdrPCUWE9rletWf7vaz1F24ahtcwwsF0Bj5BhlD0XO+LvwBeUBTj0XXQfxpfD6Je3yexo0YGN8zmFL3pEQZifIN+80ZtQIlO2rSSwhAv0ab/w= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=bghUC0W4qykEmQkgJB63gTLwxfWs3zZMAANMCfeAxhRuxZSbniBfmVtf58+4puqD/cVsW1RfS3Sa92sw4jvIJXjAn24es4vXhKZQsZuYoge43FI0qRyMvuUgfN0wdaAAxAHoTT33fh9wcUujgHb1Q9S9Frizmz9WKcNKL/J2S8U=; Ron9J2pdeXcM_RexZ3eH1gjat08TTFm4V_j3y7HqIFEs1CA9XVgJzepQQpsh 490nBzCglGWx9gHC0SySCxQYJ03DBx.AxBJ.66x3kkWmDW_N3mN3hccI.LGM BbsLwIziZ.aw5fSRIHEDgMHDyYkde9vgUBYsf5RA7veSdOAXJpzWGml9qV3Z QhYdO_shE_mJr49wUbJXiBvSXsf8tYsaOvJy7LU8V3qWlQNGCopZARSJIVVp TG8PZBqQMSqRQ03O.tzAf1m5Fabv_ddxe7NgI.CUtgdb0lIqpx86J881iSLX SL7XYV0Ele8NNcB0XGWifj8puUQGzpMYRhYAdK2X7iyvNxHiHENIH6ku5TwO hXip.o47uT1T6jwrvJbYK8Pdc6vDRb03CNKQDNWZ2zThuWTaJjWk1fW9FraF KXKaVdj90TGHWxlr6Ty.zoaQ5Q8py5buWQGCO1fUbUit3fMsAs4GG9VXmbt5 wNJI58l.RHo8bbDAF0qV8gJhQbdKzVGutImZW4B88guADRMbZkFRv8EIlXYs vleQkfw1QYmL3TNht._ajBPhX769q4aM- Received: from [97.93.177.222] by web121906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 17:10:39 PST Tm8gZG91YnQgdGhleSBjYW4gb3V0IHBlcmZvcm0gYSBodW1hbi4uLiBGMSBjYXJzIGhhdmUgZmxhcHB5IHBhZGRsZXMgZm9yIGEgcmVhc29uLi4uIGJ1dCBlbmhhbmNpbmcgdGhlIGRyaXZpbmcgZXhwZXJpZW5jZSAoZnVuKSBpc24ndCB0aGUgcmVhc29uLgoKU3RlcGhlbsKgCgoKX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KIEZyb206IEdhcnkgTCBNb29yZSA8bW90b2d1enppZzVAeWFob28uY29tPgpTZW50OiBXZWRuZXNkYXksIE5vdmVtYmVyIDI3LCAyMDEzIDc6MDcgUE0KCgoKTXkgQ2hyeXMBMAEBAQE- References: <1385591623.16899.YahooMailNeo@web121901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <20131127225318.CE4E342F4E@autox.team.net> <1385600858.18605.YahooMailNeo@web184701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 17:10:39 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Waybright To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Jaguar F type Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net No doubt they can out perform a human... F1 cars have flappy paddles for a reason... but enhancing the driving experience (fun) isn't the reason. Stephen ________________________________ From: Gary L Moore Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 7:07 PM My Chrysler Crossfire Srt6 is automatic and will out shift any human operator.. They made no Srt6 with a stick shift...No way to test a human operator........ _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 27 19:07:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E90B42798 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 19:07:53 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from nm44.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm44.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.120.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C48CB40432 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 19:05:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] by nm44.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2013 02:03:50 -0000 Received: from [98.138.100.115] by nm44.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2013 02:03:33 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.150] by tm106.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2013 02:03:33 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.216] by tm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2013 02:03:32 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1025.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2013 02:03:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 26774 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Nov 2013 02:03:32 -0000 s=s1024; t=1385604212; bh=bvY2/LQiLXmvC6GIWUBNXqM/eqxO/4OrPd6dyb6Vegg=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ugVUm1Wi5RGjeOLNo5svdqnuIF+TqT9tGLRI8LbM8MQbO7Gq01qDHDbgNxSgjuBkOp2ka3R1nV8XS6MALjB5wnpoRG862NAU7liyP8RIwe9aj89jq3MY7ZZJ9wMgq53cSfmlsGBh7Mgc1N7YPNaJc6tvWI6iV/lt+/21K1D/cgI= s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=xMHfj1ANczGkDkAVStk5iS4/HyYS9n6K+MMVDEm7jCjHEKqyGyrLxsbn95x0c09bZ1bPClspM7NER4smi5a+PRnMFy07KjrcE3i7ly4DHsri56YHpcn9Vz//2TeC3r3UZzkAJvMLRMnar1jGT9rZlpUNjXhvzGdrD1U+r6ev/uQ=; IIQ0gEkKhmAeWKIYl9Lc1rd29G0aTUgiyruboAn5nMrZ1mcmw.cc1Q_Tl2Tw HgfjbQZkSLJtXDmgjYQV6MngSlVF9gpn81ZnlslFTZUdYjaJabiZCDiAm7rU 0dQ9BtyEmie9XWuINgyjGp_oCZfjjXIjiIuk1YXLrTxOjhwAk3iZDx53rxfb YcwbtEQKCQgbOwT3WuZ5ylls.0IPbCfGBdpXEu_prVYQOkHgDR.GxbKpDaDV MoE7E4sZKzLPKeZ3SZV0Mwn7MiT0l.j_BImcseKXqFzNYnHBHrQoRsZNFgsS rtHjDNfcduwQ4eowhsp.e3CjpRpq9Qs129gQiZc4w_kKIRjIyyqAMvt9Pjqx 9FBbWCqMI78pT84Zsu2qtoBZyXbfRagSnDwcetQfZ07OeA2ybnkV2aaRpRqz 3YpBS1dmcgB3SS0TMbuVr6Bh1ZeMg_EBce4WlJ7AW7wFHHTB9Gtr.2PsovU3 LW5hOEBsj8nWYHcrmJrF4a4SbPJQH Received: from [173.48.171.26] by web161006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 18:03:32 PST SSBoYXZlbid0IGRyaXZlbiBhbiBGLVR5cGUsIHNhdyB0aGUgY29udmVydGlibGUgaW4gTkogd2hlbiBvbmUgd2FzIHNsaXBwZWQgaW4gZm9yIGEgcHJldmlldyBhdCBhIGRlYWxlcnNoaXAuIEJldHdlZW4gaGF2aW5nIHRvIGJlIGZlZGVyYWxseSBjZXJ0aWZpZWQgc2VwYXJhdGVseSBmcm9tIHRoZSBhdXRvIGJveCwgYW5kIHJlcHJlc2VudGluZyBhYm91dCBmaXZlIHBlcmNlbnQgb25seSBvZiB0b3RhbCBzYWxlcywgc29tZSBjYXIgbWFrZXJzIGRvbid0IHdhbnQgdG8gYm90aGVyLiBJIHdhcyBldmVuIHN1cnABMAEBAQE- Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 18:03:32 -0800 (PST) From: snakebit289 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] new sports cars and manual gearboxes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I haven't driven an F-Type, saw the convertible in NJ when one was slipped in for a preview at a dealership. Between having to be federally certified separately from the auto box, and representing about five percent only of total sales, some car makers don't want to bother. I was even surprised to learn that Ford offers a manual box for the latest Fusion, but you have to pester the dealer and swear on your childrens children that you won't cancel the order once it's placed, and that's a car that Ford makes a bunch of(with auto boxes). I guess if Jaguar makes an F-Type for any market with a manual box, and you become King of CarLand, you could drive it within your kingdom. Rande Bellman _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 27 19:23:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1F3F42B41 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 19:23:41 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qa0-f45.google.com (mail-qa0-f45.google.com [209.85.216.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CD2840437 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 19:23:35 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qa0-f45.google.com with SMTP id o15so236125qap.11 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 18:21:52 -0800 (PST) h=content-type:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:date :subject:from:in-reply-to:to; bh=k5ctnrO4MkbO3q5oxuc1KPMaoZ+KnLi3NEqUV9NV38A=; b=RjSHg44bdBwXTbnRsTY7O48frc/7GV6XncKM3cqDWOyZ0PSKLCctCHB4INcpEOzKKX tUy7TwTSeI0gJb3Xx2d/5b13uFe0+uAo+wWJjKO4UwE9W4DkrDczI0F+aohgBhOqq1AK GEixbDenai804RCIUwWK5HExKwMGsbSWpO/FY= d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:content-type:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:date:subject:from:in-reply-to :to; bh=k5ctnrO4MkbO3q5oxuc1KPMaoZ+KnLi3NEqUV9NV38A=; b=PiW+Dv0ye/4geX4Tni8fuZTK+C6AiDVeeJV9x5AmltGUusR4KnNRBaP5cDRhCy7B6j 3wb1KUeLr+R+CknP5K8GVKhvDTD7Zu5uLbsBeClwJXG941mRpABiHYNsbJt2yhAwmSaB q+v2fUvVYxtsMa8Url6Keq513kYZhapChu+kBxKO76aGsebtlyt+x9IQG/yoCTLUVchZ l3d4tBwrZoz1LVrO+lGb4TZi8n3ERkD46WKBbEiP79zQLhsfGaps/3zbkzhbzKzPbzOG N0O1h81t4jN2RLY0yMnniu6pE8tqkjuYCv58dP4tu8+jX5OmIRPvZSM3N6vSx7w86V3D l8ag== js5mr72034889qeb.36.1385605312559; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 18:21:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (DRMONS0540W-156034170254.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOp.ns.bellaliant.net. [156.34.170.254]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id fc16sm68374322qeb.3.2013.11.27.18.21.51 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 27 Nov 2013 18:21:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 22:21:51 -0400 From: dave@munroe.ca To: snakebit289@yahoo.com, tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] new sports cars and manual gearboxes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 27 20:02:35 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E252042AB9 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 20:02:35 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d04.mx.aol.com (omr-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.201]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC96C40448 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 20:02:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.9]) by omr-d04.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 119C07000438A; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 22:00:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mlc005a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mlc005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.188.211]) by mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id CC8D5E000081; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 22:00:46 -0500 (EST) From: CoolVT@aol.com Full-name: CoolVT Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 22:00:46 -0500 (EST) To: stubrennan@comcast.net, atwittsend@verizon.net, tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1385607646; bh=nf1nyT696qSkc8s+1g1hL72Sn9WlpxFjv7plECbyG5U=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=if+dlqwG+cuBInugDBMi4nlabPYbLb2PK6NQQnFE59EUvK22YUW1qXsRI6b8M/FkN cnPAHPHKayNFwY40ajkQUZ5851TxNjAYlE4uVDO9FlDFZWMwQie9bp3u1reD+606Gs NZYrBof2bHM6XffZF4LUdrDUNIbGXri4GoTb1eT8= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29095296b1de1de5 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Jaguar F type Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Stu, I'm curious, do you get killed when trying to trade in a standard shift car? Seems the dealer will have a fairly small audience in trying to unload it. Mark In a message dated 11/27/2013 8:09:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, stubrennan@comcast.net writes: My daughter, a couple years out of college and finally in a job that has a future, decided to buy a new car. She selected a Hyundai Genesis coupe, with a standard transmission. Neat car. I had to drive it home from the dealer for her, because she had never driven a standard. That weekend, my son and I gave her lessons, and got her going. 18,000 Miles later the clutch still seems to be alive, but, having ridden with her, its days are numbered. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 27 20:24:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF8E442AB9 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 20:24:33 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yh0-f44.google.com (mail-yh0-f44.google.com [209.85.213.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E872740448 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 20:21:42 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-yh0-f44.google.com with SMTP id f64so5790220yha.31 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 19:19:59 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=references:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:cc:from:subject:date:to; bh=JDt9S6avggOBmzdvgSSHo5G3a239ab0jm1+N9IQnBuk=; b=iMP/5GcFz/2zo4G8pPR7udz/n26/qglPC4dBIS6zhQu7ilUs0mCMZDsYXTsQWj1Ycp I7NQrm5nCElwx3PBYSKnTX47sm0FxLdBkercWCxjYSJjlgOQgW8TnbH3n/em/FU8fhDx QTApD9qZ1vzNK6WukVeNtLuA2Xr1kcaE26kOGGWsvsikA7+YMqWySRkxOm91KsW3oQMr +PvFL+yYg1PwdrnFjigl4tk56cbJiWVpIoK0vEextJp9WjSoMKpfXfBhQ1i9uIQTSFtD XvaMSKu4riV6E9YwkWgYTg0ut2uyWA0fw9DO1Yl5eVS/HCsgltxcQcrsiTInRBOWK6Gl gLAw== m29mr38146903yhi.0.1385608799168; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 19:19:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.123.127] (172-5-152-13.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net. [172.5.152.13]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id y46sm94409620yhy.18.2013.11.27.19.19.58 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 27 Nov 2013 19:19:58 -0800 (PST) References: <1385604212.27830.YahooMailNeo@web161006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> From: Alex Haugland Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 19:32:47 -0800 To: snakebit289 Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] new sports cars and manual gearboxes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The ratio of manuals vs. automatics, however, often sweeps quite a ways the other way when it comes to sports cars. That said, the Jaguar XJS came to the US only as an automatic, starting in the 70's when manuals were still more common than they are today. On the flip side, the Cooperworks version of the new Mini Cooper S only comes with the six speed manual gearbox. --Alex Haugland (who has 16 cars, but only 3 with automatics) Eugene, OR USA On Nov 27, 2013, at 6:03 PM, snakebit289 wrote: > I haven't driven an F-Type, saw the convertible in NJ when one was slipped in for a preview at a dealership. Between having to be federally certified separately from the auto box, and representing about five percent only of total sales, some car makers don't want to bother. I was even surprised to learn that Ford offers a manual box for the latest Fusion, but you have to pester the dealer and swear on your childrens children that you won't cancel the order once it's placed, and that's a car that Ford makes a bunch of(with auto boxes). > > I guess if Jaguar makes an F-Type for any market with a manual box, and you become King of CarLand, you could drive it within your kingdom. > > Rande Bellman > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/ahauglan@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 27 21:19:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA1DB40511 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 21:19:49 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from p3plsmtpa11-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa11-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.105]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E96C840432 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 21:19:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from [208.66.50.117] ([208.66.50.117]) by p3plsmtpa11-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id usHy1m00Q2XiuVc01sHzwE; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 21:18:00 -0700 Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 00:17:38 -0400 From: Chris Thompson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 To: Alex Haugland , snakebit289 References: <1385604212.27830.YahooMailNeo@web161006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <476D6E68-3664-4DB3-9D5C-C3D00A421AD1@gmail.com> Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] new sports cars and manual gearboxes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net I don't remember which review it was of the Tiger when it first came out, but a race driver who had one as a personal car said he loved the car but that Sunbeam *really* needed to come out with an automatic transmission. Most all drag racers I know use automatic transmissions. I'm thinking of buying a new BMW Z4 or the F-type, and I'm very put off by not being able to get a manual transmission, but I do suffer intellectually that the modern tranny's are going to get through the gears faster than I will be able to. Time to turn in my slide rule, too, and maybe buy one of them new-fangled calculators.... Chris B3282000331 On 11/27/2013 11:32 PM, Alex Haugland wrote: > The ratio of manuals vs. automatics, however, often sweeps quite a ways the > other way when it comes to sports cars. That said, the Jaguar XJS came to the > US only as an automatic, starting in the 70's when manuals were still more > common than they are today. On the flip side, the Cooperworks version of the > new Mini Cooper S only comes with the six speed manual gearbox. > > --Alex Haugland (who has 16 cars, but only 3 with automatics) > Eugene, OR > USA > > On Nov 27, 2013, at 6:03 PM, snakebit289 wrote: > >> I haven't driven an F-Type, saw the convertible in NJ when one was slipped > in for a preview at a dealership. Between having to be federally certified > separately from the auto box, and representing about five percent only of > total sales, some car makers don't want to bother. I was even surprised to > learn that Ford offers a manual box for the latest Fusion, but you have to > pester the dealer and swear on your childrens children that you won't cancel > the order once it's placed, and that's a car that Ford makes a bunch of(with > auto boxes). >> I guess if Jaguar makes an F-Type for any market with a manual box, and you > become King of CarLand, you could drive it within your kingdom. >> Rande Bellman _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Nov 27 22:35:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0CB640528 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 22:35:57 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.228]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36E4F403E2 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 22:35:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta19.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.98]) by qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id uta61m00127AodY5Fta62B; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 05:34:06 +0000 Received: from OldHickory.comcast.net ([24.125.152.10]) by omta19.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id uta51m00M0DizLw3fta6sh; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 05:34:06 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 00:31:03 -0500 To: From: Marc James Small References: <1385591623.16899.YahooMailNeo@web121901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <52967852.20501@bradakis.com> <1385593488.11117.YahooMailNeo@web121902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> s=q20121106; t=1385616846; bh=yEDJyv3zKPTY3iMmsC70T6423JBGqGECAEGiWMhoPnU=; h=Received:Received:Date:To:From:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=Z5SKJA8Uob57t/rn4E0nqOgA12iHmyumhjxgU+ha/HEaXo2zQ2aJmgHDKO4ONUUwN XVdHpcjbRgUDycVKm0pHq5Ms3a84KwX53AW9iBdX4ndmF0jaBeS/Lf62x28B9SWy7O OGkMG5fs2zWVv9aCH4nhxUtTfcdLIs4Api8c9OrIL3WQLghOuZ8o4N70+MrMidX6+9 3pAZ5EP1/WE800IiYRoh1qdjzJ7ftiwtgzLGi6DggbcN5VgtI+HouFjATmGBs5hxJ0 /z+ikOpJqhFmbJTlzoJlpURmRl8OPMubpYb1QTiZXmeKZWC1lo2MZHW6C210SQLn/8 AmsPZcw0Dj+Ww== Subject: [Tigers] Manual Transmissions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net At 06:27 PM 11/27/2013, Thomas Witt wrote: >The economy cars out of Asia have been a traditional "manual installed" >vehicle. Three years ago my wife went looking for a Civic with a manual 5 >speed. It turned out to be quite a search. Apparently the Civic with manual >installations is below 10%. Over on the Studebaker site there was quite a >discussion going on about how so few kids today can even drive a manual car. > > The irony..., the first time my wife rented a car with an automatic she >had to ask how to use it. LOL First, I am 63 years old. Second, I have never owned a slide-o-matic. I had to drive one in the mandatory training course when I was in High School but I never really understood them and still do not. My wife drives a slide-o-matic Hyundai Sonata but my Hyundai Santa Fe has a five-speed and, yes, I am quite capable of shifting it even in a stop and go traffic jam. I was a maintenance officer in the Army when we made the conversion from manuals to automatics. Enough said about that. And, yes, I have rebuilt ten or twenty manual transmissions along the day. Now, tomorrow, Thanksgiving in the US, my wife and I will be lugging a six-foot table and buckets and buckets and ice chests of food to one of her daughters who lives about two and a half hours of driving from us. My wife has offered to drive part of the way and, Lord!, she's a farm-raised Michigander, so who am I to argue? If you don't hear from me again well, think kind thoughts in our memory! I still have Alpine parts around this Palace of Earthly Delights, even running to a Series V crank, but I have nothing Tiger for sale. Manuals are the answer as the driver is in CONTROL. Robert Heinlein noted in one of his science fiction novels that politics was the only game in town for adults to play. The same argument can be made for stick shifts. Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 28 06:26:24 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 080D042F1C for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 06:26:24 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D229403F0 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 06:26:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.52]) by qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id v1ER1m00317dt5G591QMdm; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 13:24:21 +0000 Received: from gharlowePC ([69.250.116.131]) by omta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id v1QL1m00t2qAZlh3Z1QM91; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 13:24:21 +0000 From: "Graham Harlowe" To: References: <1385591623.16899.YahooMailNeo@web121901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <52967852.20501@bradakis.com> <1385593488.11117.YahooMailNeo@web121902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <20131128053600.1284742ADC@autox.team.net> Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 08:24:19 -0500 Thread-Index: Ac7r+3rOc+zvDTcXSX2WhK20qSNWVgAPb6bQ Content-Language: en-us s=q20121106; t=1385645061; bh=Lg+WJ7VY8/mIOy7VW7n6YEPlET3UAX4qN7Xhsxrj5mE=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=O0NPkQcMJ9aKUVkeOqvM3xc+TgNM5E/yJBGV59qGQ/o8ymP4wkBp6GG7ar2b5fIHN 4RCa13Rgv9fdMALhXeJa/JXvkVE3t2U1EenIXeck4D5PVig48r6pR0DJ9XHKRpAVLh VQic2+PTPrJuFIXi+Oba0X3bH9/VVqoNPbPf1rrwxRDvjkvA4RBbKQdAvGi8QOuRVM gj+zlA8/KG1bWbPX0ABTG0uIZEvwKDSsD6nuPcBoq/skpATXBtnBF29cJQCDqUWKJ2 ti3D4adqm8NngN7Z378Sv2QdW6jG3bzeZNZgK1kuMajC5nnV1thfkVQVlQ9EB/JnsS 1TKhmnZrPyhWQ== Subject: Re: [Tigers] Manual Transmissions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net ...."I was even surprised to learn that Ford offers a manual box for the latest Fusion, but you have to pester the dealer and swear on your childrens children that you won't cancel the order once it's placed, and that's a car that Ford makes a bunch of(with auto boxes)." The dominance of automatics seems to be a US/North American phenomenon. Manuals are still quite common in Europe where gas is 4x more expensive. I rented a Ford Fusion while on vacation in France that had a 4 cyl diesel engine with 6-speed manual. It even had an "upshift" indicator light to optimize gas mileage and when you put the car in neutral while idling at an intersection, the engine would shut itself down. Engaging the clutch to put the car in gear again would quickly restart the engine. The first few times the engine suddenly 'died' in Paris traffic was discomforting. Getting stuck in a 4 hour traffic jam en route to de Gaulle airport made me homesick for my Volvo automatic. Cheers, Graham Harlowe B382001466 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 28 09:35:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB66242F1B for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 09:35:03 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from smtp02b.netjets.com (smtp02b.netjets.com [12.68.84.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F237840454 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 09:34:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from unknown (HELO cmhprdsmg01.netjets.com) ([10.82.11.90]) by bwy-i05-esa02.gss-i.netjets.com with ESMTP; 28 Nov 2013 11:33:10 -0500 Received: from cmhprdexccas01.netjets.com ( [10.82.12.55]) by cmhprdsmg01.netjets.com (Symantec Messaging Gateway) with SMTP id FC.B4.29423.54077925; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 11:33:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from CMHPRDEXCMBX11.netjets.com ([fe80::2c97:87c1:9ce5:7c48]) by cmhprdexccas01.netjets.com ([10.82.12.55]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 11:33:09 -0500 From: Scott Hutchinson To: "'gharlowe@comcast.net'" , "'tigers@autox.team.net'" Thread-Topic: [Tigers] Manual Transmissions Thread-Index: Ac7r+3rOT5Qq6dH1Y0Cw2jfVqPbgfAAPb6bQAAeTBMQ= Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 16:33:08 +0000 Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US x-originating-ip: [10.83.80.19] wOSx6/cMdo/Jj+cwBjBFcdmkpOZklqUW6dslcGXsf3eOpeAEX8XGHxdYGxi/cXcxcnJICJhI rFi8iRXCFpO4cG89WxcjF4eQwF5GiZN7NzNDONsYJfqWf2cGqWIT0JWYueM4E4gtIpAhsaz/ NVi3sICWxO5pf6Di2hKTnx5jh7CtJL7s72QDsVkEVCUuP3wCNIeDg1fAX2JKgzZImFPASOLq lEuMIDYj0BHfT60BG8MsIC5x68l8JojjBCSW7DnPDGGLSrx8/A/qaHmJR43bWCHq9SRuTJ3C BmFrSyxb+BqsnldAUOLkzCcsExhFZiEZOwtJyywkLbOQtCxgZFnFKJ6cm1FQlFKcm25gqJeX WpKVWlKsl5yfu4kRHBPckTsYzyyxO8QowMGoxMN7QHNakBBrYllxZe4hRgkOZiURXovQ6UFC vCmJlVWpRfnxRaU5qcWHGKU5WJTEea+mTA4SEkhPLEnNTk0tSC2CyTJxcEo1MOYGTLh4+FDG m4BNLGJiIds+r10o+vX+iWV3/Q/+cDn06fP5y/YibVZL2Oy4n3vvfhawd6HM3VmqilL94hz9 myY77tjRPdNgQkbn1P7woMILLK9uOq2YKct6beEKbyuvX3elV/Z+b7zO2hSaoMYvUbWf89Gm zSf/eP9pCz1z7sK9jbPDPmzpWJOmxFKckWioxVxUnAgAjhjAboUCAAA= Subject: Re: [Tigers] Manual Transmissions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net When we take the crew bus from european airports to the hotel, usually a Merecedes Sprinter or equivalent. 10+ pax. It is almost always a stick. Diesel as well. I have seen a dodge caravan diesel manual shift over there. Scott Hutchinson Pilot, NetJets Aviation Mobile 843.290.2805 ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Harlowe [mailto:gharlowe@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2013 08:24 AM To: tigers@autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Manual Transmissions ...."I was even surprised to learn that Ford offers a manual box for the latest Fusion, but you have to pester the dealer and swear on your childrens children that you won't cancel the order once it's placed, and that's a car that Ford makes a bunch of(with auto boxes)." The dominance of automatics seems to be a US/North American phenomenon. Manuals are still quite common in Europe where gas is 4x more expensive. I rented a Ford Fusion while on vacation in France that had a 4 cyl diesel engine with 6-speed manual. It even had an "upshift" indicator light to optimize gas mileage and when you put the car in neutral while idling at an intersection, the engine would shut itself down. Engaging the clutch to put the car in gear again would quickly restart the engine. The first few times the engine suddenly 'died' in Paris traffic was discomforting. Getting stuck in a 4 hour traffic jam en route to de Gaulle airport made me homesick for my Volvo automatic. Cheers, Graham Harlowe B382001466 _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/shutchin@netjets.com *** *** *** This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 28 09:45:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6320B42A14 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 09:45:23 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from eastrmfepo202.cox.net (eastrmfepo202.cox.net [68.230.241.217]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4173240454 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 09:45:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from eastrmimpo110 ([68.230.241.223]) by eastrmfepo202.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20131128164330.COBP3871.eastrmfepo202.cox.net@eastrmimpo110> for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 11:43:30 -0500 Received: from [10.254.188.248] ([174.254.165.52]) by eastrmimpo110 with cox id v4jU1m00M189KQW014jVv0; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 11:43:30 -0500 a=ukfOg5lSRtyJzKF55dm5LQ==:17 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=kviXuzpPAAAA:8 a=SO66g_ejT54A:10 a=9FwGs2RSAAAA:8 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=zOoktvdPAAAA:8 a=xx6NMgQ4tCocCFNBUD8A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=J0aUVQLP0FIA:10 a=2MeQkrR9IOcA:10 a=m3MdUl94G8cA:10 a=VyAX9iQxgOsA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=IaBVFKY8fhuBf3CM:21 a=DdK6rC437LZX9oOk:21 a=ukfOg5lSRtyJzKF55dm5LQ==:117 Authentication-Results: cox.net; auth=pass (PLAIN) smtp.auth=twojohnsons@cox.net References: From: Alvin Johnson Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 11:43:29 -0500 To: Scott Hutchinson Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Manual Transmissions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Mileage is paramount in Europe. And sticks get better mileage---especially when you put them quickly into 5th. When my relatives visit from Sweden, they take pictures of the gas pumps because they are dumbfounded at how cheap it is. Although I do have a Swedish cousin who owns a 66 Shelby Mustang clone. They really do love US V-8s. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 28, 2013, at 11:33 AM, Scott Hutchinson wrote: > When we take the crew bus from european airports to the hotel, usually a > Merecedes Sprinter or equivalent. 10+ pax. It is almost always a stick. > Diesel as well. > > I have seen a dodge caravan diesel manual shift over there. > > > Scott Hutchinson > Pilot, NetJets Aviation > > Mobile 843.290.2805 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Graham Harlowe [mailto:gharlowe@comcast.net] > Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2013 08:24 AM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Manual Transmissions > > ...."I was even surprised to learn that Ford offers a manual box for the > latest Fusion, but you have to pester the dealer and swear on your childrens > children that you won't cancel the order once it's placed, and that's a car > that Ford makes a bunch of(with auto boxes)." > > The dominance of automatics seems to be a US/North American phenomenon. > Manuals are still quite common in Europe where gas is 4x more expensive. I > rented a Ford Fusion while on vacation in France that had a 4 cyl diesel > engine with 6-speed manual. It even had an "upshift" indicator light to > optimize gas mileage and when you put the car in neutral while idling at an > intersection, the engine would shut itself down. Engaging the clutch to put > the car in gear again would quickly restart the engine. The first few times > the engine suddenly 'died' in Paris traffic was discomforting. Getting > stuck in a 4 hour traffic jam en route to de Gaulle airport made me homesick > for my Volvo automatic. > > Cheers, > > Graham Harlowe > B382001466 > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/shutchin@netjets.com > > > > *** *** *** > This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. > Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you > may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information > contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please > advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/twojohnsons@cox.net _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 28 09:54:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1364542F33 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 09:54:53 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pb0-f45.google.com (mail-pb0-f45.google.com [209.85.160.45]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81EB340381 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 09:53:31 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pb0-f45.google.com with SMTP id rp16so12886325pbb.18 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 08:51:44 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=l9V0PXYpzPh7YPgwzGpkiQY0EQ7lNVeTXasWR1FIYbI=; b=tKSVYFiip5lHF5nVpwg5D374UNAxeBCO3jWxwdU+AsISliWY7RgFLn0ScXAUZ+5Gjr 0g0kWq0iGP0pOdZS/PvtA9MPaAtGqNwCoRSONRQlEa00b4gPJvqW1kLQlhVVRBjAgNCm t31reXugoi07Eyg8l74vlLcLMg2pJD2cGFxLyXtUgVeiTS+IfMNVnkYDmo/Y5kPQ5s6w pKMizESSgdRJXP4NxBTwvzSpOlA7eG4l5uFIhN98BayrcPObzyoJsVfmBMaD5dPHZefJ l4V0hpyGQgguu2/W7pM05M9PfrW9TIc72z7GTAgCpRjIlnU+aCiGjZdRIAo7N2SwVVJ1 N4XQ== dq8mr48556845pac.104.1385657504810; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 08:51:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.105.227 with HTTP; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 08:51:44 -0800 (PST) References: <000c01ceec3d$24e59930$6eb0cb90$@net> Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 17:51:44 +0100 From: Owain Lloyd To: Scott Hutchinson Cc: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Manual Transmissions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net yep. in europe/UK autos are normally for disabled people only. if you take your test in an auto its because you are missing a leg an you're subsequently only allowed to drive autos. quite rightly so. these days most large luxury cars have autos but when i was young, an auto was not much different to having 'hand controls'. however, this discussion isn't really about auto boxes, is it? the lack of a clutch pedal doesn't make it an auto, and a sequential box is really not that much different to a full manual - it certainly doesn't remove any 'functionality'. you may as well argue that a sports car shouldn't have electric windows! in my rally cars i never use the actual clutch pedal anyway unless i'm starting from a standstill or doing a handbrake turn. i quite often find myself doing this on the road in a manual with a regular synchromesh box too. i think that in the US, the manual transmission has been seen as something for a sports car because its so unusual. The E60 M5 wasn't even sold as a manual anywhere but the US. BMW made a special version because americans associate a clutch pedal with a sports car. fortunately, they still sold the (far better) SMG single clutch 7 speed semi automatic. oddly (and very annoyingly) enough they also never sold the wagon version because americans also associate a wagon with a boring family car. let's kill these superstitions, i say! On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Scott Hutchinson wrote: > When we take the crew bus from european airports to the hotel, usually a > Merecedes Sprinter or equivalent. 10+ pax. It is almost always a stick. > Diesel as well. > > I have seen a dodge caravan diesel manual shift over there. > > > Scott Hutchinson > Pilot, NetJets Aviation > > Mobile 843.290.2805 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Graham Harlowe [mailto:gharlowe@comcast.net] > Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2013 08:24 AM > To: tigers@autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Manual Transmissions > > ...."I was even surprised to learn that Ford offers a manual box for the > latest Fusion, but you have to pester the dealer and swear on your > childrens > children that you won't cancel the order once it's placed, and that's a car > that Ford makes a bunch of(with auto boxes)." > > The dominance of automatics seems to be a US/North American phenomenon. > Manuals are still quite common in Europe where gas is 4x more expensive. I > rented a Ford Fusion while on vacation in France that had a 4 cyl diesel > engine with 6-speed manual. It even had an "upshift" indicator light to > optimize gas mileage and when you put the car in neutral while idling at an > intersection, the engine would shut itself down. Engaging the clutch to > put > the car in gear again would quickly restart the engine. The first few > times > the engine suddenly 'died' in Paris traffic was discomforting. Getting > stuck in a 4 hour traffic jam en route to de Gaulle airport made me > homesick > for my Volvo automatic. > > Cheers, > > Graham Harlowe > B382001466 > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/shutchin@netjets.com > > > > *** *** *** > This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. > Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), > you > may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information > contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, > please > advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. > _______________________________________________ > > tigers@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 28 09:55:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A9D440381 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 09:55:52 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-vb0-f41.google.com (mail-vb0-f41.google.com [209.85.212.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76A5C40381 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 09:53:50 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-vb0-f41.google.com with SMTP id w5so6031811vbf.14 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 08:52:03 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=TV9jL2Vm2f/pbBHMnTHHL3VQL371UiZemOG+Dqj+reg=; b=f9AVf/rHJlVV19Z74ODvF/FYE2LKdGzJzY2Zg9l8mwVE7vEecJJqoG+dXMjQshMBNy 0NTWI3evDSzMI1zQMbC29uQpJdGsHRJtEl4eqnquXDnr+wnSiwXa69qc5UB8IZ18iuku 1WAHbYyNkQnMRwXpSKrv00i9PMajc7j/PyHqVvRDSGhcjZl9metJMOa/bpKOj9YlXViy FSCgYqlIFjRD0DHiqHMWkeRjIYWvqk/RftDpRtp4GqrxRQ3pKxOojYNj9NKFrToj4Ik9 JL6OGqD8yaXPaMGACBYs1mz6o2RbJdlTHKDelOJ8hYpUqv2vRLOAp2/lty7EteXV3jJM SeLQ== r5mr39182410vcl.9.1385657523835; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 08:52:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.179.135 with HTTP; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 08:52:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.179.135 with HTTP; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 08:52:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 11:52:03 -0500 From: Chip Broadbooks To: LIST TIGER Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: 1965 MK1 Sunbeam Tiger Project Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net No affiliation. Does seem a bit pricey to me. http://pensacola.craigslist.org/cto/4218048899.html Sent from cPRO craigslist Client for Android https://market.android.com/details?id=craigs.pro.plus _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 28 10:00:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14E5542EEC for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 10:00:45 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pd0-f177.google.com (mail-pd0-f177.google.com [209.85.192.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 983F9403F0 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 10:00:40 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-pd0-f177.google.com with SMTP id q10so12310192pdj.36 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 08:58:53 -0800 (PST) h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=nJsOcO48tx3gmBbc4JpnKxrBxzjyOClZiiZGBE1M0XI=; b=gxo6TeREJlFcCNB2lgQVZCop41uFG2PpxOqrOetnQnqwpubx72p82oxZdFQivUCwxC pCxdBfzB54btgcLiDaqEJ572HUdBJfEJ+4OHAiG9V6MHCT+6VLUJ3NruKzrIfoo8fudy seBv4hQmP6fVGoqacXg2fdUhTZ3cGhVqrxVa4FdLsG6lb7nQll6ZXj22y0s1lFIrHfab tCQAX/sdhai8iQPDTILOlFCkMuHLgGYa1zxB1TJ3lQA3I1KkOJAp32ai5aul7vbmsbpc Jpvm0Ym5yKU1wsPVu5Q33l6Ikdr+7fnaX0UsExn9wiTtPB5Gu1QrORB9Mitv8h3BY/0z nt0A== xa4mr21245283pac.174.1385657933600; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 08:58:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.105.227 with HTTP; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 08:58:53 -0800 (PST) References: Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 17:58:53 +0100 From: Owain Lloyd To: Chip Broadbooks Cc: LIST TIGER Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fwd: 1965 MK1 Sunbeam Tiger Project Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net strange that he mentions 'service records' for a shell on a rotisserie.... On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 5:52 PM, Chip Broadbooks wrote: > No affiliation. 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[75.10.144.113]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id t4sm15391696igm.10.2013.11.28.10.19.00 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 28 Nov 2013 10:19:00 -0800 (PST) From: "Mark Rense" To: References: <000c01ceec3d$24e59930$6eb0cb90$@net> Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 13:19:01 -0500 thread-index: Ac7sWli487Y722F6Qh+3LZQw8RmTmwAATwkg Subject: Re: [Tigers] Manual Transmissions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net The future of the manual transmission is in doubt for several reasons. The endless pursuit of better mpg and performance will drive the manufacturers towards higher gear counts as engines get smaller and narrower in their power band. As witness, the latest Audi A4 T2.0 went from a six-speed to an eight-speed and lost a second 0-to-60 as well as gaining a couple MPG. The sub-liter class engines now coming in small cars, both gas and diesel, require lots of speeds to keep them on the boil. Traditional automatics had more power losses than the equivalent manual versions, but today's new designs with quick lock-up and integrated engine management achieve better fuel economy than a manual. The CVT transmissions are finally getting close to manuals in efficiency and cost as well. The dual clutch systems, potentially the most efficient of all mechanical energy transfer systems, are expensive to build and manage but are getting cheaper by the day as volumes go up. Then there are the social issues. Yes we Americans are fat and lazy and can barely lift a left leg to push in that nasty clutch pedal, but why should we in the Land Of Plentiful Petroleum? Our cities are bumper-to-bumper, our highways are wide open and vast, and who wants or needs a manual in their minivan? I mean, after all Dude, how can you text your BFF when you have to bang third in the on-ramp?? In the near future efficiency requirements will push the gear count higher. Really, who will want to row an 8- or 9-speed in the daily grind? I have one car with a 6-speed and, track days excepted, its hard enough to keep track of the gear count in mundane daily commuter driving. No, I don't text while driving! On top of it all is the newest generation's lack of enthusiasm for cars in general and sports cars even less so. We all learned to drive stick out of necessity, I did not own a manual transmission vehicle for the first 23 years of my driving life, the only automatic in the family being Mom's ubiquitous land-barge station wagon. Today, as previous posters have mentioned, you are hard-pressed to even find a manual car, and usually they are the stripped loss-leader versions. Unfortunately I think the manual transmission will follow the path of the buggy whip, our great-grandchildren will simply chuckle at the notion. Too bad for them... Happy Thanksgiving! Bugz, waiting for the family to descend upon us for the feast... _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 28 11:56:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1248E42F17 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 11:56:05 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ie0-f180.google.com (mail-ie0-f180.google.com [209.85.223.180]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AF5E40522; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 11:55:58 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ie0-f180.google.com with SMTP id tp5so14798767ieb.11 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 10:54:11 -0800 (PST) s=20120113; h=message-id:content-transfer-encoding:reply-to:references :in-reply-to:sensitivity:importance:subject:to:from:date :content-type:mime-version; bh=nLHKPiW6cPTJCaF42d4RfkyKbkru0kjpsOg30RQJDJM=; b=nFFbQ4XDwOb9oCb6biocRGPGE/5AX/pZR8B9eMylX51tvg9DRRmU3YeK4oypGLbmlw nGSRz9fiwPx5nb9hQiZPtNfhkTJkqz3GiKjJ/0HzgdcFKsSWI+Clf2AiHM/0alSQbjp5 HjWw8aLLv9VOrW5DQlWFpRXQrhJYHyW3BJX36kjSIXiIxJbsWIYP6vwNA0nB+DROUTJV xPwDi5mmM4o+fhDJ66L0yNiHD24nNui1E+8DWx9FbQET/Bq+u8Z8k4NvteBSWImgENt+ IwNIkQxkKopcfySNsYya+2chsG7X/Hc/Gpw6Txio3pNPFM08cJwLeh4CFeq8lFIrSRJX ttGg== q19mr3137655igw.21.1385664851662; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 10:54:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.29.196.187 (bda-74-82-80-176.bis6.us.blackberry.com. [74.82.80.176]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id u1sm46233121ige.1.2013.11.28.10.54.10 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 28 Nov 2013 10:54:10 -0800 (PST) References: <000c01ceec3d$24e59930$6eb0cb90$@net> Sensitivity: Normal To: "Mark Rense" , tigers-bounces@autox.team.net, tigers@autox.team.net From: jay.laifman@gmail.com Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 18:54:08 +0000 Subject: Re: [Tigers] dual clutch Manual Transmissions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net What still blows my mind is how these dual clutch systems handle creeping stop and go traffic without burning out. I'm also amazed by the cars that shut off each time you stop. I could never imagine our old starters and ring gear could ever survive a week of that. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "Mark Rense" To: Subject: Re: [Tigers] Manual Transmissions The future of the manual transmission is in doubt for several reasons. The endless pursuit of better mpg and performance will drive the manufacturers towards higher gear counts as engines get smaller and narrower in their power band. As witness, the latest Audi A4 T2.0 went from a six-speed to an eight-speed and lost a second 0-to-60 as well as gaining a couple MPG. The sub-liter class engines now coming in small cars, both gas and diesel, require lots of speeds to keep them on the boil. Traditional automatics had more power losses than the equivalent manual versions, but today's new designs with quick lock-up and integrated engine management achieve better fuel economy than a manual. The CVT transmissions are finally getting close to manuals in efficiency and cost as well. The dual clutch systems, potentially the most efficient of all mechanical energy transfer systems, are expensive to build and manage but are getting cheaper by the day as volumes go up. Then there are the social issues. Yes we Americans are fat and lazy and can barely lift a left leg to push in that nasty clutch pedal, but why should we in the Land Of Plentiful Petroleum? Our cities are bumper-to-bumper, our highways are wide open and vast, and who wants or needs a manual in their minivan? I mean, after all Dude, how can you text your BFF when you have to bang third in the on-ramp?? In the near future efficiency requirements will push the gear count higher. Really, who will want to row an 8- or 9-speed in the daily grind? I have one car with a 6-speed and, track days excepted, its hard enough to keep track of the gear count in mundane daily commuter driving. No, I don't text while driving! On top of it all is the newest generation's lack of enthusiasm for cars in general and sports cars even less so. We all learned to drive stick out of necessity, I did not own a manual transmission vehicle for the first 23 years of my driving life, the only automatic in the family being Mom's ubiquitous land-barge station wagon. Today, as previous posters have mentioned, you are hard-pressed to even find a manual car, and usually they are the stripped loss-leader versions. Unfortunately I think the manual transmission will follow the path of the buggy whip, our great-grandchildren will simply chuckle at the notion. Too bad for them... Happy Thanksgiving! Bugz, waiting for the family to descend upon us for the feast... _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman@gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 28 15:44:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0EDC42B41 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 15:44:45 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from cmta8.telus.net (cmta8.telus.net [209.171.16.81]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C451E40522 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 15:44:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.70] ([209.89.36.167]) by cmta8.telus.net with TELUS id vAib1m00i3cNJ9M01AibxK; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 15:42:36 -0700 a=GqxcHtfpyleJzmv+/P79aQ==:17 a=UIdm24C_LI4A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Qm2X8ul6AAAA:8 a=ACpyvmQAyroA:10 a=UB6hYFzIcfu2JvUSDikA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=DdDKMmPYUEoA:10 a=CA2uqbpQbE4A:10 a=GqxcHtfpyleJzmv+/P79aQ==:117 References: From: Pointers Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 14:42:37 -0800 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Manual Transmissions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net We (from Canada) were looking in Scottsdale, AZ for a 350Z for my 18 yo. Kept seeing them with autos. Finally I asked one of the Nissan dealers what's up? Disconnect: Me: Can't fathom a 350Z with anything but a manual. Dealer: Hardly ever see a manual. Reason: Kids learn from their parents, whose dly drvr is always an auto, so nobody learns how to drive a standard, so don't order standards. _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Nov 28 22:20:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5233442EF3 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 22:20:23 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.96]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D219940453 for ; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 22:20:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from omta21.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.72]) by qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id vHG41m0041ZXKqc59HJTFs; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 05:18:27 +0000 Received: from OldHickory.comcast.net ([24.125.152.10]) by omta21.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id vHJS1m00T0DizLw3hHJTSB; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 05:18:27 +0000 Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 00:07:40 -0500 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" From: Marc James Small References: <4E47AAD8-4CB8-4477-AD9D-7D8E9C08B8DB@telusplanet.net> s=q20121106; t=1385702307; bh=Fm68Va+VOR4PeAgo8XCCu14hrKN1GHiQOLM2Lc2U0pk=; h=Received:Received:Date:To:From:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=Ol/sCfUipyF3lIZQcg5hfntsHvqPfXyUTiAqi62fEDwGCdjgjWk9qkeDnd4hZhRM6 cRIqmIJcCNP1bYhwZrY3En/pUbEBWJPt8g0UYRzd2KPIUCsjAHBL071ZDrroiGue48 ZcJcSWqB72YpiMbJCjrLm0sVM6w/ObJ5eCr5H7qFEGSRGKx83h3q0G8yC929Quxw1J kfitYJhAAyVSJFz2O55sy9p7jPe8V4Er03uBrYxmLrZq9eet1nWWo+bV7/dbaOFtWq Gvo8pWGtgZ28ohwjATXU2y/3u9ZEfy+dh9iRpN9WphlVeSqanojua4Fvnodu67zmDS Yl4aWXThB6o/Q== Subject: Re: [Tigers] Manual Transmissions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net As I mentioned the other day, we drove three hours each way to spend part of Thanksgiving with my wife's daughter and family. We had to haul a bunch of stuff so we took my 2003 Hyundai Santa Fe with its five-speed manual. My wife insisted on driving both ways and, to my surprise, she did not destroy the clutch or gearbox and did not once stall the car. She hadn't driven a straight for seven years or so. So, no, there are no heaps of busted gears littering US 460. I've never owned an automatic and have no intention of doing so, but, then, I learned to drive back in the 1960's in a Rover 2000TC. My wife has a 2006 Hyundai Sonata with a slide-o-matic transmission. It is reasonably powerful and reasonably efficient, but I still prefer to drive the Santa Fe. Incidentally, my mother taught me how to drive a stick. And my son drives a stick even at his relatively young age of 31. That apple did not fall far from the tree! Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 30 09:07:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AC7F42FF8 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 09:07:23 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d03.mx.aol.com (omr-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.200]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B94E640043 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 09:07:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.75]) by omr-d03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id ADED070177152 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:05:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mlb003c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mlb003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.186.145]) by mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 55213E000085 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:05:14 -0500 (EST) From: CoolVT@aol.com Full-name: CoolVT Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:05:14 -0500 (EST) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1385827514; bh=UqgXwh3wkPgkXnsofrzY06U3TTjvWwLHkyGVjQPvIak=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=h+Xp38UHex/QDWyZ+lmCEHMWZiVLZ6/sQo58Qg21vycCzOHA8wMST02XePRjJlFfa 72WoPMhHBreYBRBEtTKnymyTp3xE7e2vRddIzL6f16zOn3Zd32CYa4X55VUJbXJlhW f1aLhe7ONDesUKSaSObawWv8PtMkYzbscGWA0g0E= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294b529a0cba19c5 Subject: [Tigers] Now here's a REAL car guy ! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net _http://autos.aol.com/article/man-donates-testicle-nissan-370z-car/?icid=mai ng-grid7%7Chtmlws-main-bb%7Cdl6%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D412152_ (http://autos.aol.com/article/man-donates-testicle-nissan-370z-car/?icid=maing-grid7|htmlws -main-bb|dl6|sec1_lnk3&pLid=412152) _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 30 12:38:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BB3342FE2 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 12:38:16 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from cmta5.telus.net (cmta5.telus.net [209.171.16.78]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76BBE40042 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 12:37:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.70] ([209.89.36.167]) by cmta5.telus.net with TELUS id vvbx1m00o3cNJ9M01vbybL; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 12:35:59 -0700 a=GqxcHtfpyleJzmv+/P79aQ==:17 a=ryLHDBbQXOgA:10 a=UIdm24C_LI4A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Qm2X8ul6AAAA:8 a=QCfId0E6A0kA:10 a=Yezsg5h4ynb023rXLkAA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=D_UNcEY9Jh8A:10 a=2rXNChineD4A:10 a=GqxcHtfpyleJzmv+/P79aQ==:117 References: From: Pointers Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:35:58 -0800 To: "tigers@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Now here's a REAL car guy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Hmm...what'll they pay for a pair? ;-) Gary _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 30 13:22:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7119742FE2 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 13:22:37 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from filter04.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (filter04.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.234]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 060DD4042E for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 13:22:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by filter04.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E382D24C5D6; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 20:20:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay04.roch.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.182.167]) by localhost (filter04.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.234]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id e5Gt+XlZwMxQ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 20:20:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bob (50-52-18-170.cral.id.frontiernet.net [50.52.18.170]) by relay04.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 80C9617CFD; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 20:20:17 +0000 (UTC) From: "Bob Hokanson" To: "Larry Mayfield" , "Tigers" Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 12:20:33 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] GPS Speedo Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Speedhut having Black Friday sale 25% off gauges thru Mon. Just ordered one. Bob H _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net From tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Nov 30 14:43:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from 50-198-190-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F21240533 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 14:43:27 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: tigers@autox.team.net Received: from omr-d08.mx.aol.com (omr-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.109.207]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 969224040E for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 14:43:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.139]) by omr-d08.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 4073070000095 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 16:41:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-dke001c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dke001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.215.79]) by mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id AAFDBE000082 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 16:41:08 -0500 (EST) From: Landcmitch@aol.com Full-name: Landcmitch Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 16:41:08 -0500 (EST) To: tigers@autox.team.net x-aol-global-disposition: G s=20121107; t=1385847669; bh=VcilZK0etdV696QRVoiuga4cRLXP0q+zbHhWUJFjq3M=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Fk1TAlfY3nJSs3lCJtOy38X9HPhx1Oyu6B+r58FgnWx7nF0/ECH8/yMgdnbjCzA4I AY6hURl5ydoAbs3xlQBrmaBxTODxCEcAPDZ8PwGk4qbVbvyaHHWYcQg9R9daN2Uj68 8OtrLysd55a4APRJSJBbrP0LFdtRoyvWOzmfB+rQ= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338b529a5b744620 Subject: [Tigers] Standard Transmission Autos Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: tigers-bounces@autox.team.net Further about an old subject; just sat in a Buick Regal FWD GS 2.0 turbo with a six-speed manual trans at the SF Auto Show. So, there are still some out there... Charlie _______________________________________________ tigers@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mharc@autox.team.net