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Anyone using an ORBI network mesh system... I = have a satellite box that will not sync and Netgear's solution is to=
upgrade to a new system for 400 bucks
 
anyone got any trouble shooting suggestions
 
thanks
john
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Do you mean the system clock won't sync to a local ntp server? Remote service? Rsync service fails to move files? Other? ________________ Sent from my phone Best Regards, Al Fuller On Thu, Sep 17, 2026, 6:17=E2=80=AFAM john niolon wrote: > Anyone using an ORBI network mesh system... I have a satellite box that > will not sync and Netgear's solution is to > upgrade to a new system for 400 bucks > > anyone got any trouble shooting suggestions > > thanks > john > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/alfuller194@gmail.com > > --000000000000b8ab3d065bb8d5ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm not exactly clear on what you mean by a box = won't sync.

Do you m= ean the system clock won't sync to a local ntp server? Remote service? = Rsync service fails to move files? Other?

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Best = Regards,
Al Fuller

On Thu, Sep 17, 2026, 6:17= =E2=80=AFAM john niolon <jniolon@att.= net> wrote:
Anyone using an ORBI network mesh system... I = have a satellite box that will not sync and Netgear's solution is to
upgrade to a new system for 400 bucks
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anyone got any trouble shooting suggestions
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thanks
john
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I don't have the sync issue, but after a few years of other problems all the research I did says that the best solution is to return the Orbi system to the store and but a different one. Scott On Thu, Sep 17, 2026, 11:11 PM Al Fuller wrote: > I'm not exactly clear on what you mean by a box won't sync. > > Do you mean the system clock won't sync to a local ntp server? Remote > service? Rsync service fails to move files? Other? > > ________________ > Sent from my phone > Best Regards, > Al Fuller > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2026, 6:17=E2=80=AFAM john niolon wrote= : > >> Anyone using an ORBI network mesh system... I have a satellite box that >> will not sync and Netgear's solution is to >> upgrade to a new system for 400 bucks >> >> anyone got any trouble shooting suggestions >> >> thanks >> john >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/alfuller194@gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/scott.hall.personal@gmail= .com > > --000000000000f4cd7a065bba2103 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've got an Orbi system.=C2=A0

<= /div>
I don't have the sync issue, but after a few yea= rs of other problems all the research I did says that the best solution is = to return the Orbi system to the store and but a different one.=C2=A0
=

Scott=C2=A0

On Thu, Sep 17, 2026, 11:11 PM Al Fuller <alfuller194@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm not exactly clear on = what you mean by a box won't sync.

Do you mean the system clock won't sync to a local ntp s= erver? Remote service? Rsync service fails to move files? Other?
=
________________
Sent = from my phone
Best Regards,
Al Fuller

On Thu, Sep 17, 2026, 6:1= 7=E2=80=AFAM john niolon <jniolon@att.net> wrote:
Anyone using an ORBI network mesh system... I = have a satellite box that will not sync and Netgear's solution is to
upgrade to a new system for 400 bucks
=C2=A0
anyone got any trouble shooting suggestions
=C2=A0
thanks
john
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Are all satellites failing to connect? Or just one or some? If it's all the issue is likely at the base station, while if 1 or more still work the issue is likely localized. Are the satellites connected with Wi-Fi or wired? Finally (and possibly most important) was anything changed or anything happened to the system between when it worked and didn't? ________________ Sent from my phone Best Regards, Al Fuller On Fri, Sep 18, 2026, 4:01=E2=80=AFAM john niolon wrote: > This system has one main wifi router and two satellite 'extenders'. Maybe > I used the wrong term. The two satellite boxes should connect ( 'sync') > with the router to give you a total mesh system. One works fine =E2=80= =A6 the > other (in the detached shop has stopped connecting. Net gear > says they don't support the system and only fix is a 400 buck > replacement... I'm just flailing here hoping someone might have come up > with some troubleshooting that might fix this... Netgear's customer > service sucks and they advertise "Have your credit card ready when you ca= ll" > > thanks > john > > > *----- Original Message -----* > *From:* Al Fuller > *To:* john niolon > *Cc:* shop-talk > *Sent:* 09/17/2026 9:41:08 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] orbi mesh network system > ------------------------------ > I'm not exactly clear on what you mean by a box won't sync. > > Do you mean the system clock won't sync to a local ntp server? Remote > service? Rsync service fails to move files? Other? > > ________________ > Sent from my phone > Best Regards, > Al Fuller > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2026, 6:17=E2=80=AFAM john niolon wrote= : > >> Anyone using an ORBI network mesh system... I have a satellite box that >> will not sync and Netgear's solution is to >> upgrade to a new system for 400 bucks >> >> anyone got any trouble shooting suggestions >> >> thanks >> john >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/alfuller194@gmail.com >> >> --000000000000d094b9065bd762ea Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok, let's all do some basic tr= oubleshooting...=C2=A0

A= re all satellites failing to connect? Or just one or some? If it's all = the issue is likely at the base station, while if 1 or more still work the = issue is likely localized.

Are the satellites connected with Wi-Fi or wired?

Finally (and possibly most important) was anyt= hing changed or anything happened to the system between when it worked and = didn't?

___= _____________
Sent from my phone
Best Regards,
Al Fuller

On = Fri, Sep 18, 2026, 4:01=E2=80=AFAM john niolon <jniolon@att.net> wro= te:
This system has one main wifi router and two s= atellite 'extenders'. Maybe I used the wrong term.=C2=A0 The two sa= tellite boxes should connect (=C2=A0'sync')
with the router to give you a total mesh syste= m.=C2=A0 One works fine =E2=80=A6 the other (in the detached shop has stopp= ed connecting.=C2=A0 Net gear
says they don't support the system and onl= y fix is a 400 buck replacement... I'm just flailing here hoping someon= e might have come up
with some troubleshooting that might fix this.= .. Netgear's customer service sucks and they advertise "Have your = credit card ready when you call"
=C2=A0
thanks
john
=C2=A0
= ----- Original Message -----
= From: Al Fuller <alfuller194@gmail.com>
= To: john niolon <jniolon@att.net>
= Cc: shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net><= /div>
= Sent: 09/17/2026 9:41:08 PM
= Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] orbi mesh network system
I'm not exactly clear on what you mean by a box won't sync.

Do you mean the system clock won't sync to a local ntp server? Rem= ote service? Rsync service fails to move files? Other?

________________
Sent from my ph= one
Best Regards,
Al Fuller

On Thu, Sep 17, 2026, 6:17=E2=80=AFAM= john niolon <jniolon@att.net> wrote:
Anyone using an ORBI network mesh system... I = have a satellite box that will not sync and Netgear's solution is to
upgrade to a new system for 400 bucks
=C2=A0
anyone got any trouble shooting suggestions
=C2=A0
thanks
john
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On the failing unit, is there an Ethernet jack you could temporarily plug into? If so, you might be able to reboot it or at least troubleshoot. If not, there is likely still some process to reset it. If all else fails, you might still be able to add an access point from another vendor that would connect wirelessly. Do keep in mind that all mesh systems have upsides and down. The upside is you can get coverage in places where there's no Ethernet cable, but the downside is that the mesh node has to wirelessly 'backhaul' to the base station in addition to the usual transmission between itself and the client devices like phones tablets TVs, etc. As such, the speed and quality are very poor. But if that's the only way to get the signal, it's better than nothing. Often people find it's preferable to bite the bullet and run a cable. Let us know what you find in the troubleshooting. ________________ Sent from my phone Best Regards, Al Fuller On Sat, Sep 19, 2026, 10:41=E2=80=AFAM john niolon wrote: > both satellites connect to the modem wirelessly... one works perfectly... > the other is dead... I even brought the dead one and sat it next > to the modem and rebooted everything... the dead one still dead, the othe= r > is fine... afaik nothing has changed in equipment or software > unless ORBI did a firmware dump that I didn't know about BUT that should > have killed both of them, right ?? > > > *----- Original Message -----* > *From:* Al Fuller > *To:* john niolon , Shop Talk > *Sent:* 09/19/2026 10:08:03 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] orbi mesh network system > ------------------------------ > Ok, let's all do some basic troubleshooting... > > Are all satellites failing to connect? Or just one or some? If it's all > the issue is likely at the base station, while if 1 or more still work th= e > issue is likely localized. > > Are the satellites connected with Wi-Fi or wired? > > Finally (and possibly most important) was anything changed or anything > happened to the system between when it worked and didn't? > > ________________ > Sent from my phone > Best Regards, > Al Fuller > > On Fri, Sep 18, 2026, 4:01=E2=80=AFAM john niolon wrote= : > >> This system has one main wifi router and two satellite 'extenders'. Mayb= e >> I used the wrong term. The two satellite boxes should connect ( 'sync') >> with the router to give you a total mesh system. One works fine =E2=80= =A6 the >> other (in the detached shop has stopped connecting. Net gear >> says they don't support the system and only fix is a 400 buck >> replacement... I'm just flailing here hoping someone might have come up >> with some troubleshooting that might fix this... Netgear's customer >> service sucks and they advertise "Have your credit card ready when you c= all" >> >> thanks >> john >> >> >> *----- Original Message -----* >> *From:* Al Fuller >> *To:* john niolon >> *Cc:* shop-talk >> *Sent:* 09/17/2026 9:41:08 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] orbi mesh network system >> ------------------------------ >> I'm not exactly clear on what you mean by a box won't sync. >> >> Do you mean the system clock won't sync to a local ntp server? Remote >> service? Rsync service fails to move files? Other? >> >> ________________ >> Sent from my phone >> Best Regards, >> Al Fuller >> >> On Thu, Sep 17, 2026, 6:17=E2=80=AFAM john niolon wrot= e: >> >>> Anyone using an ORBI network mesh system... I have a satellite box that >>> will not sync and Netgear's solution is to >>> upgrade to a new system for 400 bucks >>> >>> anyone got any trouble shooting suggestions >>> >>> thanks >>> john >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >>> http://autox.team.net/archive >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/alfuller194@gmail.com >>> >>> > > --000000000000aabc3a065be122cd Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok, this is progress.

On the failing unit, is there an Ethernet jack you cou= ld temporarily plug into? If so, you might be able to reboot it or at least= troubleshoot.

If not, t= here is likely still some process to reset it.

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If all else fails, you might still be able to add an= access point from another vendor that would connect wirelessly.

Do keep in mind that all mesh syst= ems have upsides and down. The upside is you can get coverage in places whe= re there's no Ethernet cable, but the downside is that the mesh node ha= s to wirelessly 'backhaul' to the base station in addition to the u= sual transmission between itself and the client devices like phones tablets= TVs, etc.=C2=A0 =C2=A0As such, the speed and quality are very poor. But if= that's the only way to get the signal, it's better than nothing. O= ften people find it's preferable to bite the bullet and run a cable.

Let us know what you find = in the troubleshooting.

________________
Sent from my phone
Best Regards,
Al Ful= ler

On Sat, Sep 19, 2026, 10:41=E2=80=AFAM john = niolon <jniolon@att.net> wrote= :
both satellites connect to the modem wirelessl= y... one works perfectly... the other is dead... I even brought the dead on= e and sat it next
to the modem and rebooted everything... the de= ad one still dead, the other is fine...=C2=A0 afaik nothing has changed in = equipment or software
unless ORBI did a firmware dump that I didn= 9;t know about BUT that should have killed both of them, right ??
=C2=A0
= ----- Original Message -----
= From: Al Fuller <alfuller194@gmail.com>
= To: john niolon <jniolon@att.net>, Shop Talk <Shop-t= alk@autox.team.net>
= Sent: 09/19/2026 10:08:03 AM
= Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] orbi mesh network system
Ok, let's all do some basic troubleshooting...=C2=A0

Are all satellites failing to connect? Or just one or some? If it'= s all the issue is likely at the base station, while if 1 or more still wor= k the issue is likely localized.

Are the satellites connected with Wi-Fi or wired?

Finally (and possibly most important) was anything changed or anything= happened to the system between when it worked and didn't?

________________
Sent from my ph= one
Best Regards,
Al Fuller

On Fri, Sep 18, 2026, 4:01=E2=80=AFAM= john niolon <jniolon@att.net> wrote:
This system has one main wifi router and two s= atellite 'extenders'. Maybe I used the wrong term.=C2=A0 The two sa= tellite boxes should connect (=C2=A0'sync')
with the router to give you a total mesh syste= m.=C2=A0 One works fine =E2=80=A6 the other (in the detached shop has stopp= ed connecting.=C2=A0 Net gear
says they don't support the system and onl= y fix is a 400 buck replacement... I'm just flailing here hoping someon= e might have come up
with some troubleshooting that might fix this.= .. Netgear's customer service sucks and they advertise "Have your = credit card ready when you call"
=C2=A0
thanks
john
=C2=A0
= ----- Original Message -----
= From: Al Fuller <alfuller194@gmail.com>
= Cc: shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.n= et>
= Sent: 09/17/2026 9:41:08 PM
= Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] orbi mesh network system
I'm not exactly clear on what you mean by a box won't sync.

Do you mean the system clock won't sync to a local ntp server? Rem= ote service? Rsync service fails to move files? Other?

________________
Sent from my ph= one
Best Regards,
Al Fuller

On Thu, Sep 17, 2026, 6:17=E2=80=AFAM= john niolon <jniolon@att.net> wrote:
Anyone using an ORBI network mesh system... I = have a satellite box that will not sync and Netgear's solution is to
upgrade to a new system for 400 bucks
=C2=A0
anyone got any trouble shooting suggestions
=C2=A0
thanks
john
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I=E2=80=99m assuming that what you=E2=80=99re = seeing is that when you plug your computer directly into the sat box = (presumably via ethernet), you get connectivity, but when you plug the = Orb hub in, it does not?

On Sep 17, 2026, at 9:10 AM, john niolon = <jniolon@att.net> wrote:

Anyone using an ORBI network mesh system... = I have a satellite box that will not sync and Netgear's solution is = to
upgrade to a new system for 400 = bucks
 
anyone got any trouble shooting = suggestions
 
thanks
john
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Next suggestion is to look up the procedures for (1) resetting it, and (2) factory resetting it in case (1) didn't work. You may be able to get it working again by resetting or factory resetting. BTW, maybe I missed it but can you tell us whether anything was changed before it quit working? Or anything happened, like electrical short nearby, lightning storm, power outage, brownout, etc. Last year I had security cameras that quit and it turned out a power surge had killed 2 power supplies AND several individual cameras - so I'm reminded to ask about the environment before it quit. ________________ Sent from my phone Best Regards, Al Fuller On Sun, Sep 20, 2026, 1:47=E2=80=AFPM john niolon wrote: > First Al, thanks for all your time and energy doing this... it might be > all futile. > > The satellite unit has no Ethernet port. The modem has both Ethernet an= d > internet > ports and the only one used is the internet port that plugs into the ATT > fiber box. > > > *----- Original Message -----* > *From:* Al Fuller > *To:* john niolon , Shop Talk > *Sent:* 09/19/2026 9:45:57 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] orbi mesh network system > ------------------------------ > Ok, this is progress. > > On the failing unit, is there an Ethernet jack you could temporarily plug > into? If so, you might be able to reboot it or at least troubleshoot. > > If not, there is likely still some process to reset it. > > If all else fails, you might still be able to add an access point from > another vendor that would connect wirelessly. > > Do keep in mind that all mesh systems have upsides and down. The upside i= s > you can get coverage in places where there's no Ethernet cable, but the > downside is that the mesh node has to wirelessly 'backhaul' to the base > station in addition to the usual transmission between itself and the clie= nt > devices like phones tablets TVs, etc. As such, the speed and quality ar= e > very poor. But if that's the only way to get the signal, it's better than > nothing. Often people find it's preferable to bite the bullet and run a > cable. > > Let us know what you find in the troubleshooting. > > ________________ > Sent from my phone > Best Regards, > Al Fuller > > On Sat, Sep 19, 2026, 10:41=E2=80=AFAM john niolon wrot= e: > >> both satellites connect to the modem wirelessly... one works perfectly..= . >> the other is dead... I even brought the dead one and sat it next >> to the modem and rebooted everything... the dead one still dead, the >> other is fine... afaik nothing has changed in equipment or software >> unless ORBI did a firmware dump that I didn't know about BUT that should >> have killed both of them, right ?? >> >> >> *----- Original Message -----* >> *From:* Al Fuller >> *To:* john niolon , Shop Talk >> *Sent:* 09/19/2026 10:08:03 AM >> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] orbi mesh network system >> ------------------------------ >> Ok, let's all do some basic troubleshooting... >> >> Are all satellites failing to connect? Or just one or some? If it's all >> the issue is likely at the base station, while if 1 or more still work t= he >> issue is likely localized. >> >> Are the satellites connected with Wi-Fi or wired? >> >> Finally (and possibly most important) was anything changed or anything >> happened to the system between when it worked and didn't? >> >> ________________ >> Sent from my phone >> Best Regards, >> Al Fuller >> >> On Fri, Sep 18, 2026, 4:01=E2=80=AFAM john niolon wrot= e: >> >>> This system has one main wifi router and two satellite 'extenders'. >>> Maybe I used the wrong term. The two satellite boxes should connect >>> ( 'sync') >>> with the router to give you a total mesh system. One works fine =E2=80= =A6 the >>> other (in the detached shop has stopped connecting. Net gear >>> says they don't support the system and only fix is a 400 buck >>> replacement... I'm just flailing here hoping someone might have come up >>> with some troubleshooting that might fix this... Netgear's customer >>> service sucks and they advertise "Have your credit card ready when you = call" >>> >>> thanks >>> john >>> >>> >>> *----- Original Message -----* >>> *From:* Al Fuller >>> *To:* john niolon >>> *Cc:* shop-talk >>> *Sent:* 09/17/2026 9:41:08 PM >>> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] orbi mesh network system >>> ------------------------------ >>> I'm not exactly clear on what you mean by a box won't sync. >>> >>> Do you mean the system clock won't sync to a local ntp server? Remote >>> service? Rsync service fails to move files? Other? >>> >>> ________________ >>> Sent from my phone >>> Best Regards, >>> Al Fuller >>> >>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2026, 6:17=E2=80=AFAM john niolon wro= te: >>> >>>> Anyone using an ORBI network mesh system... I have a satellite box tha= t >>>> will not sync and Netgear's solution is to >>>> upgrade to a new system for 400 bucks >>>> >>>> anyone got any trouble shooting suggestions >>>> >>>> thanks >>>> john >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >>>> http://autox.team.net/archive >>>> >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/alfuller194@gmail.com >>>> >>>> >> >> --000000000000eef11f065bf343cc Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok, no Ethernet jack on the remote mesh node, so no = way to narrow it down that way.

Next suggestion is to look up the procedures for (1) resetting it= , and (2) factory resetting it in case (1) didn't work.

You may be able to get it working aga= in by resetting or factory resetting.

BTW, maybe I missed it but can you tell us whether anything w= as changed before it quit working? Or anything happened, like electrical sh= ort nearby, lightning storm, power outage, brownout, etc.

Last year I had security cameras that qui= t and it turned out a power surge had killed 2 power supplies AND several i= ndividual cameras - so I'm reminded to ask about the environment before= it quit.


________________
Sent from my phone
Best Rega= rds,
Al Fuller

On Sun, Sep 20, 2026, 1:47=E2= =80=AFPM john niolon <jniolon@att.net= > wrote:
First Al, thanks for all your time and energy = doing this... it might be all futile.
=C2=A0
The satellite unit has no Ethernet port.=C2=A0= =C2=A0 The modem has both Ethernet and internet
ports and the only one used is the internet po= rt that plugs into the ATT fiber box.
=C2=A0
= ----- Original Message -----
= From: Al Fuller <alfuller194@gmail.com>
= To: john niolon <jniolon@att.net>, Shop Talk <Shop-t= alk@autox.team.net>
= Sent: 09/19/2026 9:45:57 PM
= Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] orbi mesh network system
Ok, this is progress.

On the failing unit, is there an Ethernet jack you could temporarily p= lug into? If so, you might be able to reboot it or at least troubleshoot.

If not, there is likely still some process to reset it.

If all else fails, you might still be able to add an access point from= another vendor that would connect wirelessly.

Do keep in mind that all mesh systems have upsides and down. The upsid= e is you can get coverage in places where there's no Ethernet cable, bu= t the downside is that the mesh node has to wirelessly 'backhaul' t= o the base station in addition to the usual transmission between itself and= the client devices like phones tablets TVs, etc.=C2=A0 =C2=A0As such, the = speed and quality are very poor. But if that's the only way to get the = signal, it's better than nothing. Often people find it's preferable= to bite the bullet and run a cable.

Let us know what you find in the troubleshooting.

________________
Sent from my ph= one
Best Regards,
Al Fuller

On Sat, Sep 19, 2026, 10:41=E2=80=AFA= M john niolon <jniolon@att.net> wrote:
both satellites connect to the modem wirelessl= y... one works perfectly... the other is dead... I even brought the dead on= e and sat it next
to the modem and rebooted everything... the de= ad one still dead, the other is fine...=C2=A0 afaik nothing has changed in = equipment or software
unless ORBI did a firmware dump that I didn= 9;t know about BUT that should have killed both of them, right ??
=C2=A0
= ----- Original Message -----
= From: Al Fuller <alfuller194@gmail.com>
= To: john niolon <jniolon@att.net>, Shop Talk <<= a href=3D"mailto:Shop-talk@autox.team.net" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" ta= rget=3D"_blank">Shop-talk@autox.team.net>
= Sent: 09/19/2026 10:08:03 AM
= Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] orbi mesh network system
Ok, let's all do some basic troubleshooting...=C2=A0

Are all satellites failing to connect? Or just one or some? If it'= s all the issue is likely at the base station, while if 1 or more still wor= k the issue is likely localized.

Are the satellites connected with Wi-Fi or wired?

Finally (and possibly most important) was anything changed or anything= happened to the system between when it worked and didn't?

________________
Sent from my ph= one
Best Regards,
Al Fuller

On Fri, Sep 18, 2026, 4:01=E2=80=AFAM= john niolon <jniolon@att.net> wrote:
This system has one main wifi router and two s= atellite 'extenders'. Maybe I used the wrong term.=C2=A0 The two sa= tellite boxes should connect (=C2=A0'sync')
with the router to give you a total mesh syste= m.=C2=A0 One works fine =E2=80=A6 the other (in the detached shop has stopp= ed connecting.=C2=A0 Net gear
says they don't support the system and onl= y fix is a 400 buck replacement... I'm just flailing here hoping someon= e might have come up
with some troubleshooting that might fix this.= .. Netgear's customer service sucks and they advertise "Have your = credit card ready when you call"
=C2=A0
thanks
john
=C2=A0
= ----- Original Message -----
= From: Al Fuller <alfuller194@= gmail.com>
= To: john niolon <jniolon@att.net>
= Sent: 09/17/2026 9:41:08 PM
= Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] orbi mesh network system
I'm not exactly clear on what you mean by a box won't sync.

Do you mean the system clock won't sync to a local ntp server? Rem= ote service? Rsync service fails to move files? Other?

________________
Sent from my ph= one
Best Regards,
Al Fuller

On Thu, Sep 17, 2026, 6:17=E2=80=AFAM= john niolon <jniolon@att.net> wrot= e:
Anyone using an ORBI network mesh system... I = have a satellite box that will not sync and Netgear's solution is to
upgrade to a new system for 400 bucks
=C2=A0
anyone got any trouble shooting suggestions
=C2=A0
thanks
john
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--000000000000fc8e11065bf78cd2-- --===============0604308684546299346== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============0604308684546299346==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Sep 21 06:50:29 2026 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1BFEA0DAE for ; Mon, 21 Sep 2026 06:50:29 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: autox.team.net; Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from hognose1.porkbun.com (unknown [35.82.102.206]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D8D7A0CF6 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 2026 06:44:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [212.133.41.87]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by hognose1.porkbun.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4AE12476782; Mon, 21 Sep 2026 12:43:37 +0000 (UTC) s=default; t=1789994617; bh=b2L32C2UmmQk1zHsWU0LIj/ieYuzhPw0sb9uoiRfkuk=; h=From:Subject:Date:References:Cc:In-Reply-To:To; b=bzkEPoojLYz6hPmKQgi+Rvs88eylAujs83GHc7WV59vU7aHUckuWp6OKBzFJbYCv/ +PvIA90IAQiATyHufR+5UKUaX63rtmdbpj+RFZ4WeeJ7Z0VIKBO/p8Z6dT+mwrBQZP JT/8iG9S4FbfemgXyJUzd1XnHcAvvhYluC6K0nqk= From: Jim Franklin Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2026 14:43:17 +0200 References: To: Philip Ethier Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] 93 Octane Gasoline along I-80 in western Wyoming and in Utah? Cc: Shop-Talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============8043318121160629593== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-A8BC4885-C315-4FBB-9A95-2BCB0D36E387 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You won=E2=80=99t find it in higher elevations because the effective compres= sion is lower in the thinner atmosphere. Surprised you don=E2=80=99t see any= on the flats before the hills though. Jim > On Sep 21, 2026, at 07:43, Philip Ethier wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF > Looking for 93 Octane Gasoline for a trip out to Salt Lake City and not fi= nding online any record of 93 Octane gasoline along the way. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > -- > Phil Ethier, West Side, Saint Paul Minnesota, USA > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arc= hive >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jamesf= @groupwbench.org >=20 --Apple-Mail-A8BC4885-C315-4FBB-9A95-2BCB0D36E387 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
You won=E2=80=99t find it in h= igher elevations because the effective compression is lower in the thinner a= tmosphere. Surprised you don=E2=80=99t see any on the flats before the hills= though.

Jim

On Sep 21, 2026, at 07:43, Philip Ethier= <pethier7@gmail.com> wrote:

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= Looking for 93 Octane Gasoline for a trip out to Salt Lake City and not f= inding online any record of 93 Octane gasoline along the way.


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On Mon, Sep 21, 2026 at= 7:43=E2=80=AFAM Jim Franklin <jamesf@groupwbench.org> wrote:
You won=E2=80=99t find it in higher elevations because the effective = compression is lower in the thinner atmosphere. Surprised you don=E2=80=99t= see any on the flats before the hills though.

What ab= out all the turbocharged cars in mountain=C2=A0areas?=C2=A0=C2=A0


Ji= m

On Sep 21, 2026, at 0= 7:43, Philip Ethier <pethier7@gmail.com> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
Looking for=C2=A093 Octane Gasoline for a trip out to Salt Lake Ci= ty=C2= =A0and not finding online any record of 93 Octane gasoline along the way.







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Cc: Shop-Talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4235370019801660830== boundary="----=_Part_1939965_1625365524.1790076110262" ------=_Part_1939965_1625365524.1790076110262 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable First off, turbochargers limit boost to a certain PSI above ambient so less= absolute pressure at higher altitudes.=C2=A0 Also, modern cars all have kn= ock sensors which accommodates lower octane fuels by retarding ignition tim= ing.=C2=A0 Hence no need for higher octane at higher altitudes. Dave On Monday, September 21, 2026 at 08:34:36 AM CDT, Philip Ethier wrote: On Mon, Sep 21, 2026 at 7:43=E2=80=AFAM Jim Franklin wrote: You won=E2=80=99t find it in higher elevations because the effective compre= ssion is lower in the thinner atmosphere. Surprised you don=E2=80=99t see a= ny on the flats before the hills though. What about all the turbocharged cars in mountain=C2=A0areas?=C2=A0=C2=A0 Jim On Sep 21, 2026, at 07:43, Philip Ethier wrote: =EF=BB=BFLooking for=C2=A093 Octane Gasoline for a trip out to Salt Lake Ci= ty=C2=A0and not finding online any record of 93 Octane gasoline along the w= ay. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arch= ive ssey@cs.com ------=_Part_1939965_1625365524.1790076110262 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
First off, turbochargers limit boost to a certain PSI above ambien= t so less absolute pressure at higher altitudes.  Also, modern cars al= l have knock sensors which accommodates lower octane fuels by retarding ign= ition timing.  Hence no need for higher octane at higher altitudes.

Da= ve




On Monday, September 21, 2026 at 08:= 34:36 AM CDT, Philip Ethier <pethier7@gmail.com> wrote:
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On Mon, Sep 21, 2026 at 7:43=E2=80=AFAM Jim Franklin <jamesf@groupwbench.org> wrote:
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You won=E2=80=99t find it in higher elevations becaus= e the effective compression is lower in the thinner atmosphere. Surprised y= ou don=E2=80=99t see any on the flats before the hills though.
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What about all the turbocharged cars i= n mountain areas?  


Jim<= /div>

On Sep 21, 2026, at 07:= 43, Philip Ethier <pethier7@gmail.com> wrote:
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Looking for 93 Octane Gasoline for a trip out to Salt Lake = City and not finding online any record of 93 Octane gasoline a= long the way.





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Happy to help. ________________ Sent from my phone Best Regards, Al Fuller On Wed, Sep 23, 2026, 10:50=E2=80=AFAM john niolon wrote: > well Al, show you how dumb I am..... > I did some extra reading and found a forum about how critical placement > can be. I( played around with modem and satellite placement > and found a place where the two would connect... been two days and > everything is still connected... although speed is not optimal. You > mentioned ORBIs > problem with overhead traffic so I'm satisfied with shop performance for > now > > I really appreciate your time and attention... trying to help an old tech > challenged guy get connected. > > john > > > *----- Original Message -----* > *From:* Al Fuller > *To:* john niolon , Shop Talk > *Sent:* 09/20/2026 7:23:44 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] orbi mesh network system > ------------------------------ > Ok, no Ethernet jack on the remote mesh node, so no way to narrow it down > that way. > > Next suggestion is to look up the procedures for (1) resetting it, and (2= ) > factory resetting it in case (1) didn't work. > > You may be able to get it working again by resetting or factory resetting= . > > BTW, maybe I missed it but can you tell us whether anything was changed > before it quit working? Or anything happened, like electrical short nearb= y, > lightning storm, power outage, brownout, etc. > > Last year I had security cameras that quit and it turned out a power surg= e > had killed 2 power supplies AND several individual cameras - so I'm > reminded to ask about the environment before it quit. > > > ________________ > Sent from my phone > Best Regards, > Al Fuller > > On Sun, Sep 20, 2026, 1:47=E2=80=AFPM john niolon wrote= : > >> First Al, thanks for all your time and energy doing this... it might be >> all futile. >> >> The satellite unit has no Ethernet port. The modem has both Ethernet >> and internet >> ports and the only one used is the internet port that plugs into the ATT >> fiber box. >> >> >> *----- Original Message -----* >> *From:* Al Fuller >> *To:* john niolon , Shop Talk >> *Sent:* 09/19/2026 9:45:57 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] orbi mesh network system >> ------------------------------ >> Ok, this is progress. >> >> On the failing unit, is there an Ethernet jack you could temporarily plu= g >> into? If so, you might be able to reboot it or at least troubleshoot. >> >> If not, there is likely still some process to reset it. >> >> If all else fails, you might still be able to add an access point from >> another vendor that would connect wirelessly. >> >> Do keep in mind that all mesh systems have upsides and down. The upside >> is you can get coverage in places where there's no Ethernet cable, but t= he >> downside is that the mesh node has to wirelessly 'backhaul' to the base >> station in addition to the usual transmission between itself and the cli= ent >> devices like phones tablets TVs, etc. As such, the speed and quality a= re >> very poor. But if that's the only way to get the signal, it's better tha= n >> nothing. Often people find it's preferable to bite the bullet and run a >> cable. >> >> Let us know what you find in the troubleshooting. >> >> ________________ >> Sent from my phone >> Best Regards, >> Al Fuller >> >> On Sat, Sep 19, 2026, 10:41=E2=80=AFAM john niolon wro= te: >> >>> both satellites connect to the modem wirelessly... one works >>> perfectly... the other is dead... I even brought the dead one and sat i= t >>> next >>> to the modem and rebooted everything... the dead one still dead, the >>> other is fine... afaik nothing has changed in equipment or software >>> unless ORBI did a firmware dump that I didn't know about BUT that shoul= d >>> have killed both of them, right ?? >>> >>> >>> *----- Original Message -----* >>> *From:* Al Fuller >>> *To:* john niolon , Shop Talk >> > >>> *Sent:* 09/19/2026 10:08:03 AM >>> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] orbi mesh network system >>> ------------------------------ >>> Ok, let's all do some basic troubleshooting... >>> >>> Are all satellites failing to connect? Or just one or some? If it's all >>> the issue is likely at the base station, while if 1 or more still work = the >>> issue is likely localized. >>> >>> Are the satellites connected with Wi-Fi or wired? >>> >>> Finally (and possibly most important) was anything changed or anything >>> happened to the system between when it worked and didn't? >>> >>> ________________ >>> Sent from my phone >>> Best Regards, >>> Al Fuller >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 18, 2026, 4:01=E2=80=AFAM john niolon wro= te: >>> >>>> This system has one main wifi router and two satellite 'extenders'. >>>> Maybe I used the wrong term. The two satellite boxes should connect >>>> ( 'sync') >>>> with the router to give you a total mesh system. One works fine =E2= =80=A6 the >>>> other (in the detached shop has stopped connecting. Net gear >>>> says they don't support the system and only fix is a 400 buck >>>> replacement... I'm just flailing here hoping someone might have come u= p >>>> with some troubleshooting that might fix this... Netgear's customer >>>> service sucks and they advertise "Have your credit card ready when you= call" >>>> >>>> thanks >>>> john >>>> >>>> >>>> *----- Original Message -----* >>>> *From:* Al Fuller >>>> *To:* john niolon >>>> *Cc:* shop-talk >>>> *Sent:* 09/17/2026 9:41:08 PM >>>> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] orbi mesh network system >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> I'm not exactly clear on what you mean by a box won't sync. >>>> >>>> Do you mean the system clock won't sync to a local ntp server? Remote >>>> service? Rsync service fails to move files? Other? >>>> >>>> ________________ >>>> Sent from my phone >>>> Best Regards, >>>> Al Fuller >>>> >>>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2026, 6:17=E2=80=AFAM john niolon wr= ote: >>>> >>>>> Anyone using an ORBI network mesh system... I have a satellite box >>>>> that will not sync and Netgear's solution is to >>>>> upgrade to a new system for 400 bucks >>>>> >>>>> anyone got any trouble shooting suggestions >>>>> >>>>> thanks >>>>> john >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >>>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >>>>> http://autox.team.net/archive >>>>> >>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/alfuller194@gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> --000000000000b3d0e2065c322270 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Glad to hear it's working! Happy to help.
<= div>
________________
S= ent from my phone
Best Regards,
Al Fuller

On Wed, Sep 23, 2026, 10:50=E2=80=AFAM john niolon <jniolon@att.net> wrote:
well Al,=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 show you how dumb I= am.....
I did some extra reading and found a forum abo= ut how critical placement can be.=C2=A0 I( played around with modem and sat= ellite placement
and found a place where the two would connect.= .. been two days and everything is still connected... although speed is not= optimal.=C2=A0 You mentioned ORBIs
problem with overhead traffic so I'm satis= fied with shop performance for now
=C2=A0
I really appreciate your time and attention...= trying to help an old tech challenged guy get connected.
=C2=A0
john
=C2=A0
= ----- Original Message -----
= From: Al Fuller <alfuller194@gmail.com>
= To: john niolon <jniolon@att.net>, Shop Talk <Shop-t= alk@autox.team.net>
= Sent: 09/20/2026 7:23:44 PM
= Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] orbi mesh network system
Ok, no Ethernet jack on the remote mesh node, so no way to narrow it d= own that way.

Next suggestion is to look up the procedures for (1) resetting it, and= (2) factory resetting it in case (1) didn't work.

You may be able to get it working again by resetting or factory resett= ing.

BTW, maybe I missed it but can you tell us whether anything was change= d before it quit working? Or anything happened, like electrical short nearb= y, lightning storm, power outage, brownout, etc.

Last year I had security cameras that quit and it turned out a power s= urge had killed 2 power supplies AND several individual cameras - so I'= m reminded to ask about the environment before it quit.


________________
Sent from my ph= one
Best Regards,
Al Fuller

On Sun, Sep 20, 2026, 1:47=E2=80=AFPM= john niolon <jniolon@att.net> wrote:
First Al, thanks for all your time and energy = doing this... it might be all futile.
=C2=A0
The satellite unit has no Ethernet port.=C2=A0= =C2=A0 The modem has both Ethernet and internet
ports and the only one used is the internet po= rt that plugs into the ATT fiber box.
=C2=A0
= ----- Original Message -----
= From: Al Fuller <alfuller194@gmail.com>
= To: john niolon <jniolon@att.net>, Shop Talk <<= a href=3D"mailto:Shop-talk@autox.team.net" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" ta= rget=3D"_blank">Shop-talk@autox.team.net>
= Sent: 09/19/2026 9:45:57 PM
= Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] orbi mesh network system
Ok, this is progress.

On the failing unit, is there an Ethernet jack you could temporarily p= lug into? If so, you might be able to reboot it or at least troubleshoot.

If not, there is likely still some process to reset it.

If all else fails, you might still be able to add an access point from= another vendor that would connect wirelessly.

Do keep in mind that all mesh systems have upsides and down. The upsid= e is you can get coverage in places where there's no Ethernet cable, bu= t the downside is that the mesh node has to wirelessly 'backhaul' t= o the base station in addition to the usual transmission between itself and= the client devices like phones tablets TVs, etc.=C2=A0 =C2=A0As such, the = speed and quality are very poor. But if that's the only way to get the = signal, it's better than nothing. Often people find it's preferable= to bite the bullet and run a cable.

Let us know what you find in the troubleshooting.

________________
Sent from my ph= one
Best Regards,
Al Fuller

On Sat, Sep 19, 2026, 10:41=E2=80=AFA= M john niolon <jniolon@att.net> wrote:
both satellites connect to the modem wirelessl= y... one works perfectly... the other is dead... I even brought the dead on= e and sat it next
to the modem and rebooted everything... the de= ad one still dead, the other is fine...=C2=A0 afaik nothing has changed in = equipment or software
unless ORBI did a firmware dump that I didn= 9;t know about BUT that should have killed both of them, right ??
=C2=A0
= ----- Original Message -----
= From: Al Fuller <alfuller194@gmail.com>
= To: john niolon <jniolon@att.net>, Shop= Talk <Shop-talk@autox.team.net>
= Sent: 09/19/2026 10:08:03 AM
= Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] orbi mesh network system
Ok, let's all do some basic troubleshooting...=C2=A0

Are all satellites failing to connect? Or just one or some? If it'= s all the issue is likely at the base station, while if 1 or more still wor= k the issue is likely localized.

Are the satellites connected with Wi-Fi or wired?

Finally (and possibly most important) was anything changed or anything= happened to the system between when it worked and didn't?

________________
Sent from my ph= one
Best Regards,
Al Fuller

On Fri, Sep 18, 2026, 4:01=E2=80=AFAM= john niolon <jniolon@att.net> wrot= e:
This system has one main wifi router and two s= atellite 'extenders'. Maybe I used the wrong term.=C2=A0 The two sa= tellite boxes should connect (=C2=A0'sync')
with the router to give you a total mesh syste= m.=C2=A0 One works fine =E2=80=A6 the other (in the detached shop has stopp= ed connecting.=C2=A0 Net gear
says they don't support the system and onl= y fix is a 400 buck replacement... I'm just flailing here hoping someon= e might have come up
with some troubleshooting that might fix this.= .. Netgear's customer service sucks and they advertise "Have your = credit card ready when you call"
=C2=A0
thanks
john
=C2=A0
= ----- Original Message -----
= From: Al Fuller <a= lfuller194@gmail.com>
= To: john niolon <jniolon= @att.net>
= Cc: shop-talk <= shop-talk@autox.team.net>
= Sent: 09/17/2026 9:41:08 PM
= Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] orbi mesh network system
I'm not exactly clear on what you mean by a box won't sync.

Do you mean the system clock won't sync to a local ntp server? Rem= ote service? Rsync service fails to move files? Other?

________________
Sent from my ph= one
Best Regards,
Al Fuller

On Thu, Sep 17, 2026, 6:17=E2=80=AFAM= john niolon <jniolon@att.net> wrote:


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Top of my mind would be some combination of (1) the remote node was moved, (2) the base station moved, or (3) something in between them moved and blocked the signal. A microwave can do it too.. If you can figure it out it might help keep the system stable in the future= . Best of luck. ________________ Sent from my phone Best Regards, Al Fuller On Wed, Sep 23, 2026, 10:50=E2=80=AFAM john niolon wrote: > well Al, show you how dumb I am..... > I did some extra reading and found a forum about how critical placement > can be. I( played around with modem and satellite placement > and found a place where the two would connect... been two days and > everything is still connected... although speed is not optimal. You > mentioned ORBIs > problem with overhead traffic so I'm satisfied with shop performance for > now > > I really appreciate your time and attention... trying to help an old tech > challenged guy get connected. > > john > > > *----- Original Message -----* > *From:* Al Fuller > *To:* john niolon , Shop Talk > *Sent:* 09/20/2026 7:23:44 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] orbi mesh network system > ------------------------------ > Ok, no Ethernet jack on the remote mesh node, so no way to narrow it down > that way. > > Next suggestion is to look up the procedures for (1) resetting it, and (2= ) > factory resetting it in case (1) didn't work. > > You may be able to get it working again by resetting or factory resetting= . > > BTW, maybe I missed it but can you tell us whether anything was changed > before it quit working? Or anything happened, like electrical short nearb= y, > lightning storm, power outage, brownout, etc. > > Last year I had security cameras that quit and it turned out a power surg= e > had killed 2 power supplies AND several individual cameras - so I'm > reminded to ask about the environment before it quit. > > > ________________ > Sent from my phone > Best Regards, > Al Fuller > > On Sun, Sep 20, 2026, 1:47=E2=80=AFPM john niolon wrote= : > >> First Al, thanks for all your time and energy doing this... it might be >> all futile. >> >> The satellite unit has no Ethernet port. The modem has both Ethernet >> and internet >> ports and the only one used is the internet port that plugs into the ATT >> fiber box. >> >> >> *----- Original Message -----* >> *From:* Al Fuller >> *To:* john niolon , Shop Talk >> *Sent:* 09/19/2026 9:45:57 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] orbi mesh network system >> ------------------------------ >> Ok, this is progress. >> >> On the failing unit, is there an Ethernet jack you could temporarily plu= g >> into? If so, you might be able to reboot it or at least troubleshoot. >> >> If not, there is likely still some process to reset it. >> >> If all else fails, you might still be able to add an access point from >> another vendor that would connect wirelessly. >> >> Do keep in mind that all mesh systems have upsides and down. The upside >> is you can get coverage in places where there's no Ethernet cable, but t= he >> downside is that the mesh node has to wirelessly 'backhaul' to the base >> station in addition to the usual transmission between itself and the cli= ent >> devices like phones tablets TVs, etc. As such, the speed and quality a= re >> very poor. But if that's the only way to get the signal, it's better tha= n >> nothing. Often people find it's preferable to bite the bullet and run a >> cable. >> >> Let us know what you find in the troubleshooting. >> >> ________________ >> Sent from my phone >> Best Regards, >> Al Fuller >> >> On Sat, Sep 19, 2026, 10:41=E2=80=AFAM john niolon wro= te: >> >>> both satellites connect to the modem wirelessly... one works >>> perfectly... the other is dead... I even brought the dead one and sat i= t >>> next >>> to the modem and rebooted everything... the dead one still dead, the >>> other is fine... afaik nothing has changed in equipment or software >>> unless ORBI did a firmware dump that I didn't know about BUT that shoul= d >>> have killed both of them, right ?? >>> >>> >>> *----- Original Message -----* >>> *From:* Al Fuller >>> *To:* john niolon , Shop Talk >> > >>> *Sent:* 09/19/2026 10:08:03 AM >>> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] orbi mesh network system >>> ------------------------------ >>> Ok, let's all do some basic troubleshooting... >>> >>> Are all satellites failing to connect? Or just one or some? If it's all >>> the issue is likely at the base station, while if 1 or more still work = the >>> issue is likely localized. >>> >>> Are the satellites connected with Wi-Fi or wired? >>> >>> Finally (and possibly most important) was anything changed or anything >>> happened to the system between when it worked and didn't? >>> >>> ________________ >>> Sent from my phone >>> Best Regards, >>> Al Fuller >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 18, 2026, 4:01=E2=80=AFAM john niolon wro= te: >>> >>>> This system has one main wifi router and two satellite 'extenders'. >>>> Maybe I used the wrong term. The two satellite boxes should connect >>>> ( 'sync') >>>> with the router to give you a total mesh system. One works fine =E2= =80=A6 the >>>> other (in the detached shop has stopped connecting. Net gear >>>> says they don't support the system and only fix is a 400 buck >>>> replacement... I'm just flailing here hoping someone might have come u= p >>>> with some troubleshooting that might fix this... Netgear's customer >>>> service sucks and they advertise "Have your credit card ready when you= call" >>>> >>>> thanks >>>> john >>>> >>>> >>>> *----- Original Message -----* >>>> *From:* Al Fuller >>>> *To:* john niolon >>>> *Cc:* shop-talk >>>> *Sent:* 09/17/2026 9:41:08 PM >>>> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] orbi mesh network system >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> I'm not exactly clear on what you mean by a box won't sync. >>>> >>>> Do you mean the system clock won't sync to a local ntp server? Remote >>>> service? Rsync service fails to move files? Other? >>>> >>>> ________________ >>>> Sent from my phone >>>> Best Regards, >>>> Al Fuller >>>> >>>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2026, 6:17=E2=80=AFAM john niolon wr= ote: >>>> >>>>> Anyone using an ORBI network mesh system... I have a satellite box >>>>> that will not sync and Netgear's solution is to >>>>> upgrade to a new system for 400 bucks >>>>> >>>>> anyone got any trouble shooting suggestions >>>>> >>>>> thanks >>>>> john >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >>>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >>>>> http://autox.team.net/archive >>>>> >>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/alfuller194@gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> --000000000000884a98065c3234f5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Also, you might still want to think about what might= have changed to make it drop off the network.

<= /div>
Top of my mind would be some combination of (1) the = remote node was moved, (2) the base station moved, or (3) something in betw= een them moved and blocked the signal. A microwave can do it too..

If you can figure it out it migh= t help keep the system stable in the future.

Best of luck.

________________
Sent from my phone
Best Regard= s,
Al Fuller

On Wed, Sep 23, 2026, 10:50=E2= =80=AFAM john niolon <jniolon@att.net= > wrote:
well Al,=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 show you how dumb I= am.....
I did some extra reading and found a forum abo= ut how critical placement can be.=C2=A0 I( played around with modem and sat= ellite placement
and found a place where the two would connect.= .. been two days and everything is still connected... although speed is not= optimal.=C2=A0 You mentioned ORBIs
problem with overhead traffic so I'm satis= fied with shop performance for now
=C2=A0
I really appreciate your time and attention...= trying to help an old tech challenged guy get connected.
=C2=A0
john
=C2=A0
= ----- Original Message -----
= From: Al Fuller <alfuller194@gmail.com>
= To: john niolon <jniolon@att.net>, Shop Talk <Shop-t= alk@autox.team.net>
= Sent: 09/20/2026 7:23:44 PM
= Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] orbi mesh network system
Ok, no Ethernet jack on the remote mesh node, so no way to narrow it d= own that way.

Next suggestion is to look up the procedures for (1) resetting it, and= (2) factory resetting it in case (1) didn't work.

You may be able to get it working again by resetting or factory resett= ing.

BTW, maybe I missed it but can you tell us whether anything was change= d before it quit working? Or anything happened, like electrical short nearb= y, lightning storm, power outage, brownout, etc.

Last year I had security cameras that quit and it turned out a power s= urge had killed 2 power supplies AND several individual cameras - so I'= m reminded to ask about the environment before it quit.


________________
Sent from my ph= one
Best Regards,
Al Fuller

On Sun, Sep 20, 2026, 1:47=E2=80=AFPM= john niolon <jniolon@att.net> wrote:
First Al, thanks for all your time and energy = doing this... it might be all futile.
=C2=A0
The satellite unit has no Ethernet port.=C2=A0= =C2=A0 The modem has both Ethernet and internet
ports and the only one used is the internet po= rt that plugs into the ATT fiber box.
=C2=A0
= ----- Original Message -----
= From: Al Fuller <alfuller194@gmail.com>
= To: john niolon <jniolon@att.net>, Shop Talk <<= a href=3D"mailto:Shop-talk@autox.team.net" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" ta= rget=3D"_blank">Shop-talk@autox.team.net>
= Sent: 09/19/2026 9:45:57 PM
= Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] orbi mesh network system
Ok, this is progress.

On the failing unit, is there an Ethernet jack you could temporarily p= lug into? If so, you might be able to reboot it or at least troubleshoot.

If not, there is likely still some process to reset it.

If all else fails, you might still be able to add an access point from= another vendor that would connect wirelessly.

Do keep in mind that all mesh systems have upsides and down. The upsid= e is you can get coverage in places where there's no Ethernet cable, bu= t the downside is that the mesh node has to wirelessly 'backhaul' t= o the base station in addition to the usual transmission between itself and= the client devices like phones tablets TVs, etc.=C2=A0 =C2=A0As such, the = speed and quality are very poor. But if that's the only way to get the = signal, it's better than nothing. Often people find it's preferable= to bite the bullet and run a cable.

Let us know what you find in the troubleshooting.

________________
Sent from my ph= one
Best Regards,
Al Fuller

On Sat, Sep 19, 2026, 10:41=E2=80=AFA= M john niolon <jniolon@att.net> wrote:
both satellites connect to the modem wirelessl= y... one works perfectly... the other is dead... I even brought the dead on= e and sat it next
to the modem and rebooted everything... the de= ad one still dead, the other is fine...=C2=A0 afaik nothing has changed in = equipment or software
unless ORBI did a firmware dump that I didn= 9;t know about BUT that should have killed both of them, right ??
=C2=A0
= ----- Original Message -----
= From: Al Fuller <alfuller194@gmail.com>
= To: john niolon <jniolon@att.net>, Shop= Talk <Shop-talk@autox.team.net>
= Sent: 09/19/2026 10:08:03 AM
= Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] orbi mesh network system
Ok, let's all do some basic troubleshooting...=C2=A0

Are all satellites failing to connect? Or just one or some? If it'= s all the issue is likely at the base station, while if 1 or more still wor= k the issue is likely localized.

Are the satellites connected with Wi-Fi or wired?

Finally (and possibly most important) was anything changed or anything= happened to the system between when it worked and didn't?

________________
Sent from my ph= one
Best Regards,
Al Fuller

On Fri, Sep 18, 2026, 4:01=E2=80=AFAM= john niolon <jniolon@att.net> wrot= e:
This system has one main wifi router and two s= atellite 'extenders'. Maybe I used the wrong term.=C2=A0 The two sa= tellite boxes should connect (=C2=A0'sync')
with the router to give you a total mesh syste= m.=C2=A0 One works fine =E2=80=A6 the other (in the detached shop has stopp= ed connecting.=C2=A0 Net gear
says they don't support the system and onl= y fix is a 400 buck replacement... I'm just flailing here hoping someon= e might have come up
with some troubleshooting that might fix this.= .. Netgear's customer service sucks and they advertise "Have your = credit card ready when you call"
=C2=A0
thanks
john
=C2=A0
= ----- Original Message -----
= From: Al Fuller <a= lfuller194@gmail.com>
= To: john niolon <jniolon= @att.net>
= Cc: shop-talk <= shop-talk@autox.team.net>
= Sent: 09/17/2026 9:41:08 PM
= Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] orbi mesh network system
I'm not exactly clear on what you mean by a box won't sync.

Do you mean the system clock won't sync to a local ntp server? Rem= ote service? Rsync service fails to move files? Other?

________________
Sent from my ph= one
Best Regards,
Al Fuller

On Thu, Sep 17, 2026, 6:17=E2=80=AFAM= john niolon <jniolon@att.net> wrote:


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