Subject: [Shop-talk] battery explosion clean up

From: "john niolon" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2026 18:05:18 -0500

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had my second Walmart Neverstart battery explode in my generator.....
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Hard to think of anything better, but where the run off will go is a
consideration.

I guess it goes without saying that careful PPE is called for.

What is causing the batteries to go? Overcharge? Overvoltage? Short circuit=
?

Something as dangerous as multiple batteries going off calls for some
serious investigation and root cause analysis.

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Best Regards,
Al Fuller

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<div dir=3D"auto"><div>Hard to think of anything better, but where the run =
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iv><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">What is causing the batter=
ies to go? Overcharge? Overvoltage? Short circuit?</div><div dir=3D"auto"><=
br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Something as dangerous as multiple batteries goi=
ng off calls for some serious investigation and root cause analysis.</div><=
div><br></div><div data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature">________________<br>S=
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Yep (BTDT). And copious amounts of water.

Bob

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    Yep (BTDT). And copious amounts of water.<br>
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Overcharge caused by overvoltage. The only I know of that causes an 
explosion like that is hydrogen gas caused by overcharging along with a 
source of ignition. That's why it is now recommended to ground to the 
chassis, instead of the neg. terminal, when jump starting. Note even 
'maintenance free' batteries have vents.

I ruined a battery on an 'old school trickle' charger; they are constant 
current power supplies and will keep pumping electrons even after the 
battery if fully charged. The newer smart chargers know when to stop.

bs

On 7/3/2026 9:08 PM, Al Fuller wrote:
> What is causing the batteries to go? Overcharge? Overvoltage? Short 
> circuit?
>
> On Fri, Jul 3, 2026, 7:49 PM john niolon <[email-masked]> wrote:
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    Overcharge caused by overvoltage. The only I know of that causes an
    explosion like that is hydrogen gas caused by overcharging along
    with a source of ignition. That's why it is now recommended to
    ground to the chassis, instead of the neg. terminal, when jump
    starting. Note even 'maintenance free' batteries have vents. <br>
    <br>
    I ruined a battery on an 'old school trickle' charger; they are
    constant current power supplies and will keep pumping electrons even
    after the battery if fully charged. The newer smart chargers know
    when to stop.<br>
    <br>
    bs<br>
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        <div>Hard to think of anything better, but where the run off
          will go is a consideration.</div>
        <div dir="auto"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir="auto">I guess it goes without saying that careful PPE
          is called for.</div>
        <div dir="auto"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir="auto">What is causing the batteries to go? Overcharge?
          Overvoltage? Short circuit?</div>
        <div dir="auto"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir="auto">Something as dangerous as multiple batteries
          going off calls for some serious investigation and root cause
          analysis.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div data-smartmail="gmail_signature">________________<br>
          Sent from my phone <br>
          Best Regards,<br>
          Al Fuller</div>
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                battery explode in my generator.....</font></div>
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            <div><font face="Segoe UI">what's the best clean up material
                for this   Soda wash??</font></div>
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Walmart....hmmmm.....this sure seems like a "fool me once, shame on me, foo=
l me twice, etc etc" situation....,
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I've used dozens of WalMart batteries with no problems.  If I recall, there
are a very limited number of battery manufacturers in the US.  Maybe 95%
are made by one of two companies.

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Over the years, me too Jeff...but the last two did it for me.  Went to a lo=
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battery rebuilder/ seller and got a 'blemished'  Grp 36r - 650 cca
3 yr warranty... same as the neverstart from Walmart...=E2=80=A6.$66.00 inc=
luding tax .=20
 I asked him if he had seen this before with a "Wallybattery" and
he just laughed and said "Yea...probably three or four a month"=20

Made up a paste of baking soda and coated everything on that side of the=20
genset... lotsa of bubbling  then rinsed it down and installed new
battery...=20
I'm good to go now
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">Over the years, me too Jeff...but the last two=
 did it for me.&nbsp; Went to a local battery rebuilder/ seller and got a '=
blemished'&nbsp; Grp 36r - 650 cca</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">3 yr warranty... same as the neverstart from W=
almart...=E2=80=A6.$66.00 including tax&nbsp;.&nbsp; I asked him if he had =
seen this before with a "Wallybattery" and</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">he just laughed and said "Yea...probably three=
 or four a month"&nbsp;<BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">Made up a paste of baking soda and coated ever=
ything on that side of the genset... lotsa of bubbling&nbsp; then rinsed it=
 down and installed new</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">battery... I'm good to go now</DIV></FONT>
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">john</FONT></DIV>
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That would be my go-to answer!

Tom Coradeschi
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How can a battery be rebuilt these days?

Doug

On Tue, Jul 7, 2026, 6:13=E2=80=AFAM john niolon <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Over the years, me too Jeff...but the last two did it for me.  Went to a
> local battery rebuilder/ seller and got a 'blemished'  Grp 36r - 650 cca
> 3 yr warranty... same as the neverstart from Walmart...=E2=80=A6.$66.00 i=
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<div dir=3D"auto">How can a battery be rebuilt these days?=C2=A0<div dir=3D=
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ail_quote_container" dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On =
Tue, Jul 7, 2026, 6:13=E2=80=AFAM john niolon &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jniolon=
@att.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left=
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<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">Over the years, me too Jeff...but the last two=
 did it for me.=C2=A0 Went to a local battery rebuilder/ seller and got a &=
#39;blemished&#39;=C2=A0 Grp 36r - 650 cca</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">3 yr warranty... same as the neverstart from W=
almart...=E2=80=A6.$66.00 including tax=C2=A0.=C2=A0</font></div></div>
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Yeah, I parted with most of my old-school chargers a while ago.

I guess in a world where I have unlimited time I would research, build and
install some smarts on the one remaining dumb charger, but that's in an
alternate universe ...

________________
Sent from my phone
Best Regards,
Al Fuller

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<div dir=3D"auto"><div>Yeah, I parted with most of my old-school chargers a=
 while ago.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I gues=
s in a world where I have unlimited time I would research, build and instal=
l some smarts on the one remaining dumb charger, but that&#39;s in an alter=
nate universe ...</div><div><br></div><div data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signatur=
e">________________<br>Sent from my phone <br>Best Regards,<br>Al Fuller</d=
iv></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"l=
tr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Jul 5, 2026, 5:09=E2=80=AFPM Bob Spidell &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wro=
te:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;b=
order-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><u></u>

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    Overcharge caused by overvoltage. The only I know of that causes an
    explosion like that is hydrogen gas caused by overcharging along
    with a source of ignition. That&#39;s why it is now recommended to
    ground to the chassis, instead of the neg. terminal, when jump
    starting. Note even &#39;maintenance free&#39; batteries have vents.=C2=
=A0<br>
    <br>
    I ruined a battery on an &#39;old school trickle&#39; charger; they are
    constant current power supplies and will keep pumping electrons even
    after the battery if fully charged. The newer smart chargers know
    when to stop.<br>
    <br>
    bs<br>
    <br>
    <div>On 7/3/2026 9:08 PM, Al Fuller wrote:<br>
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        <div>Hard to think of anything better, but where the run off
          will go is a consideration.</div>
        <div dir=3D"auto"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir=3D"auto">I guess it goes without saying that careful PPE
          is called for.</div>
        <div dir=3D"auto"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir=3D"auto">What is causing the batteries to go? Overcharge?
          Overvoltage? Short circuit?</div>
        <div dir=3D"auto"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir=3D"auto">Something as dangerous as multiple batteries
          going off calls for some serious investigation and root cause
          analysis.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature">________________<br>
          Sent from my phone <br>
          Best Regards,<br>
          Al Fuller</div>
      </div>
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        <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 3, 2026, 7:49=E2=
=80=AFPM
          john niolon &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_bla=
nk" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
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          <div>
            <div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">had my second Walmart Neverstart
                battery explode in my generator.....</font></div>
            <div>=C2=A0</div>
            <div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">what&#39;s the best clean up mater=
ial
                for this=C2=A0=C2=A0 Soda wash??</font></div>
            <div>=C2=A0</div>
            <div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">john<img style=3D"HEIGHT:2175px;WI=
DTH:1352px" border=3D"0" hspace=3D"0" alt=3D"" src=3D"cid:part1.1m9hZS5h.Xx=
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Old school chargers are just a transformer and a rectifier.=C2=A0 There is =
nothing to regulate the voltage.=C2=A0 Most of the better ones had a timer =
to limit the charge.=C2=A0=C2=A0
The newer, "smart" chargers will not overcharge a battery when working prop=
erly.=C2=A0 But all bets are off it there is a shorted cell in the battery.=
=C2=A0
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mail.com> wrote:  =20

 Yeah, I parted with most of my old-school chargers a while ago.=C2=A0
I guess in a world where I have unlimited time I would research, build and =
install some smarts on the one remaining dumb charger, but that's in an alt=
ernate universe ...
________________
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te:

  Overcharge caused by overvoltage. The only I know of that causes an explo=
sion like that is hydrogen gas caused by overcharging along with a source o=
f ignition. That's why it is now recommended to ground to the chassis, inst=
ead of the neg. terminal, when jump starting. Note even 'maintenance free' =
batteries have vents.=C2=A0
=20
 I ruined a battery on an 'old school trickle' charger; they are constant c=
urrent power supplies and will keep pumping electrons even after the batter=
y if fully charged. The newer smart chargers know when to stop.
=20
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=20
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 =20
  Hard to think of anything better, but where the run off will go is a cons=
ideration.=20
  I guess it goes without saying that careful PPE is called for.=20
  What is causing the batteries to go? Overcharge? Overvoltage? Short circu=
it?=20
  Something as dangerous as multiple batteries going off calls for some ser=
ious investigation and root cause analysis.=20
  ________________
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 Al Fuller =20
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  had my second Walmart Neverstart battery explode in my generator..... =C2=
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ost of the better ones had a timer to limit the charge.&nbsp;&nbsp;</div><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">The newer, "smart" chargers will =
not overcharge a battery when working properly.&nbsp; But all bets are off =
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47032"><div><div>Yeah, I parted with most of my old-school chargers a while=
 ago.&nbsp;</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>I guess in a world wher=
e I have unlimited time I would research, build and install some smarts on =
the one remaining dumb charger, but that's in an alternate universe ...</di=
v><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>________________<br clear=3D"none">Sen=
t from my phone <br clear=3D"none">Best Regards,<br clear=3D"none">Al Fulle=
r</div></div><br clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"ydpe4a54dcdyiv1342939598ydp76=
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7032gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"ydpe4a54dcdyiv13429395=
98ydp7678f5afyiv0469047032gmail_attr">On Sun, Jul 5, 2026, 5:09=E2=80=AFPM =
Bob Spidell &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=
=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br clea=
r=3D"none"></div><blockquote style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #cc=
c solid;padding-left:1ex;" class=3D"ydpe4a54dcdyiv1342939598ydp7678f5afyiv0=
469047032gmail_quote"><u></u>

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    Overcharge caused by overvoltage. The only I know of that causes an
    explosion like that is hydrogen gas caused by overcharging along
    with a source of ignition. That's why it is now recommended to
    ground to the chassis, instead of the neg. terminal, when jump
    starting. Note even 'maintenance free' batteries have vents.&nbsp;<br c=
lear=3D"none">
    <br clear=3D"none">
    I ruined a battery on an 'old school trickle' charger; they are
    constant current power supplies and will keep pumping electrons even
    after the battery if fully charged. The newer smart chargers know
    when to stop.<br clear=3D"none">
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    <div>On 7/3/2026 9:08 PM, Al Fuller wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
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        <div>Hard to think of anything better, but where the run off
          will go is a consideration.</div>
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        <div>I guess it goes without saying that careful PPE
          is called for.</div>
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        <div>What is causing the batteries to go? Overcharge?
          Overvoltage? Short circuit?</div>
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        <div>Something as dangerous as multiple batteries
          going off calls for some serious investigation and root cause
          analysis.</div>
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        <div>________________<br clear=3D"none">
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          Al Fuller</div>
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            <div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">had my second Walmart Neverstart
                battery explode in my generator.....</font></div>
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