Subject: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem

From: "john niolon" <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 19 May 2026 12:01:29 -0500

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Strange automotive electrical problem we need help with=E2=80=A6
55 chevy automatic with 383 stroker motor, carbed, p/s,p/b,a/c
Dakota digital dash system including neutral safety switch and
Transmission gear indicator
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When it is running right, it=E2=80=99s scary strong.  Cruises nicely.
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Problem=E2=80=A6 when driving the engine dies like you cut it off=E2=80=A6B=
UT will start back up
Immediately and run perfectly till the next time it does it.  Might be 15=
=20
minutes=E2=80=A615 days or
three month later. Might do it 4 times in a row or once and not repeat.  Sp=
eed=20
does not effect it.=20
Engine temp does not effect it=E2=80=A6  does it hot or cold. With the a/c =
on or off. =20
It does not have a
Cutoff switch in the system.  Longest period with no failure is 7 months=E2=
=80=A6=20
shortest was 4 minutes.
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When it stalls we checked fuel by looking in the bowl of carb and gas is=20
spraying as it should
So we are assuming electrical of some sort.  So far we=E2=80=99ve done the =
following=E2=80=A6
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Replaced battery with new red top optima battery and all new battery cables=
 (2=20
gauge I think)
Replaced all ground cables frame/block=E2=80=A6 frame/chassis with 2/0 weld=
ing cable=20
with new crimped
connectors and clean, bare metal attachment points
replaced ignition switch (twice=E2=80=A6 first with import then with oem sw=
itch)
replaced coil and distributor with MSD system with spark control box, separ=
ate=20
coil and distributor=E2=80=A6
it was taken from running vehicle.  It's doing the same  thing as the origi=
nal ignition system.
Replaced complete wiring harness=E2=80=A6headlight to taillight with new Au=
towire harness=E2=80=A6including all
Switches and relays. Professionally done.
Everything else electrical works without a glitch=E2=80=A6  we are at the w=
all here=E2=80=A6
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Ideas, suggestions, calculated wild a** guesses welcomed=E2=80=A6  =20
thanks
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john
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<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri>Str=
ange automotive electrical problem we need help with=E2=80=A6</FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri>55 =
chevy automatic with 383 stroker motor, carbed, p/s,p/b,a/c</FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri>Dak=
ota digital dash system including neutral safety switch and</FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri>Tra=
nsmission gear indicator</FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p><FONT face=3DCalibr=
i>&nbsp;</FONT></o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri>Whe=
n it is running right, it=E2=80=99s scary strong.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spaceru=
n: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>Cruises nicely.</FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p><FONT face=3DCalibr=
i>&nbsp;</FONT></o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri>Pro=
blem=E2=80=A6 when driving the engine dies like you cut it off=E2=80=A6BUT =
will start back up</FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri>Imm=
ediately and run perfectly till the next time it does it.<SPAN style=3D"mso=
-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>Might be 15 minutes=E2=80=A615 days or</FONT>=
</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri>thr=
ee month later. Might do it 4 times in a row or once and not repeat.<SPAN s=
tyle=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>Speed does not effect it. </FONT><=
/P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri>Eng=
ine temp does not effect it=E2=80=A6<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp=
; </SPAN>does it hot or cold. With the a/c on or off.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spa=
cerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>It does not have a</FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri>Cut=
off switch in the system.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>Lo=
ngest period with no failure is 7 months=E2=80=A6 shortest was 4 minutes.</=
FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p><FONT face=3DCalibr=
i>&nbsp;</FONT></o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri>Whe=
n it stalls we checked fuel by looking in the bowl of carb and gas is spray=
ing as it should</FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri>So =
we are assuming electrical of some sort.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&=
nbsp; </SPAN>So far we=E2=80=99ve done the following=E2=80=A6</FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p><FONT face=3DCalibr=
i>&nbsp;</FONT></o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri>Rep=
laced battery with new red top optima battery and all new battery cables (2=
 gauge I think)</FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri>Rep=
laced all ground cables frame/block=E2=80=A6 frame/chassis with 2/0 welding=
 cable with new crimped</FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri>con=
nectors and clean, bare metal attachment points</FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri>rep=
laced ignition switch (twice=E2=80=A6 first with import then with oem switc=
h)</FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri>rep=
laced coil and distributor with MSD system with spark control box, separate=
 coil and distributor=E2=80=A6</FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri>it =
was taken from running vehicle.&nbsp; It's doing the same&nbsp; thing as th=
e original ignition system.</FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri>Rep=
laced complete wiring harness=E2=80=A6headlight to taillight with new Autow=
ire harness=E2=80=A6including all</FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri>Swi=
tches and relays. Professionally done.</FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri>Eve=
rything else electrical works without a glitch=E2=80=A6<SPAN style=3D"mso-s=
pacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>we are at the wall here=E2=80=A6</FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p><FONT face=3DCalibr=
i>&nbsp;</FONT></o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri>Ide=
as, suggestions, calculated wild a** guesses welcomed=E2=80=A6&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri>tha=
nks</FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri></F=
ONT>&nbsp;</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face=3DCalibri>joh=
n</FONT></P>
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Hey Moose, thanks for the reply.  Harness was done by a pro that does it fo=
r a=20
living...He is meticulous.  He completely strips everything
from the car then starts from a blank slate... Everything new.. Nice looms =
and=20
grommets at every hole and hides as much of it as he can.
=20
Every component was new and oem or better... no import crap.  =20
I'm of the same opinion as you afa a short to ground but it's gotta be hidd=
en=20
inside something
that we=20
can't see.
=20
Someone on my ford forum suggested putting a volt meter in the circuit and =
watch the voltage for a drop...but you're=20
so busy trying to get out of traffic and not
get plowed=20
it's difficult to remember to watch the meter....   and yes this has been g=
oing on for over a year...intermittently and even after all the changes... =
it persists
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john
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To: shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Cc: john niolon <[email-masked]>
Sent: 05/19/2026 4:40:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem

John, I would have bet money it was a hidden wire short somewhere. It had a=
ll the Hallmarks.  But you stated the wiring harness what completely replac=
ed. So, that rules that out...=20

Or does it?=20

My question, when you said 'headlight=20
to=20
taillight', that is complete.  BUT was there ANY wire that was in that car =
that wasn't=20
part of the harness?=20

Something in dash, neutral switch, tranny indicator, or some other componen=
t?=20

I'm still betting on a wire short, but I guess it could be a short inside a=
 component.  Maybe inside the alt or other part?=20

BTW, I'm=20
assuming it was doing this, before you did all these mods, right?=20

Anyway, that is a stumper.=20

Moose=20

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To:        "shop-talk" <[email-masked]>=20
Date:        05/19/2026 13:16=20
Subject:        [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">Hey Moose, thanks for the reply.&nbsp; Harness=
 was done by a pro that does it for a living...He is meticulous.&nbsp; He c=
ompletely strips everything</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">from the car then starts from a blank slate...=
 Everything new.. Nice looms and grommets at every hole and hides as much o=
f it as he can.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">Every component was new and oem or better... n=
o import crap.&nbsp;&nbsp; I'm of the same opinion as you afa a short to gr=
ound but it's gotta be hidden inside something</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">that we can't see.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">Someone on my ford forum suggested putting a v=
olt meter in the circuit and watch the voltage for a drop...but you're so b=
usy trying to get out of traffic and not</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">get plowed it's difficult to remember to watch=
 the meter....&nbsp;&nbsp; and yes this has been going on for over a year..=
=2Eintermittently and even after all the changes... it persists</FONT></DIV=
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">john</FONT></DIV>
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Subject:</B> Re: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem</DIV>
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; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-=
FAMILY: sans-serif">John, I would have bet money it was a hidden wire short=
 somewhere. It had all the Hallmarks. &nbsp;But you stated the wiring harne=
ss what completely replaced. So, that rules that out...</SPAN> <BR><BR><SPA=
N style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">Or does it?</SPAN> <BR=
><BR><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">My question, =
when you said 'headlight to taillight', that is complete. &nbsp;BUT was the=
re ANY wire that was in that car that wasn't part of the harness?</SPAN> <B=
R><BR><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">Something in=
 dash, neutral switch, tranny indicator, or some other component?</SPAN> <B=
R><BR><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">I'm still be=
tting on a wire short, but I guess it could be a short inside a component. =
&nbsp;Maybe inside the alt or other part?</SPAN> <BR><BR><SPAN style=3D"FON=
T-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">BTW, I'm assuming it was doing this,=
 before you did all these mods, right? </SPAN><BR><BR><SPAN style=3D"FONT-S=
IZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">Anyway, that is a stumper.</SPAN> <BR><=
BR><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">Moose</SPAN> <B=
R><BR><BR><BR><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif; COLOR=
: #5f5f5f">From: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE=
: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">"john niolon" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;</SPAN=
> <BR><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif; COLOR: #5f5f5=
f">To: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FON=
T-FAMILY: sans-serif">"shop-talk" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;</SPAN> <=
BR><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif; COLOR: #5f5f5f">=
Date: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT=
-FAMILY: sans-serif">05/19/2026 13:16</SPAN> <BR><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
9pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif; COLOR: #5f5f5f">Subject: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;=
 &nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">[Shop=
-talk] strange automotive electrical problem</SPAN> <BR><SPAN style=3D"FONT=
-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif; COLOR: #5f5f5f">Sent by: &nbsp; &nbsp;=
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">"Shop-talk" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;</SPAN> <BR>
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<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">Strange automotive electrical problem we need h=
elp with=E2=80=A6</SPAN></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">55 chevy automatic with 383 stroker motor, carb=
ed, p/s,p/b,a/c</SPAN></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">Dakota digital dash system including neutral sa=
fety switch and</SPAN></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">Transmission gear indicator</SPAN></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri"></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">When it is running right, it=E2=80=99s scary st=
rong. &nbsp;Cruises nicely.</SPAN></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri"></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">Problem=E2=80=A6 when driving the engine dies l=
ike you cut it off=E2=80=A6BUT will start back up</SPAN></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">Immediately and run perfectly till the next tim=
e it does it. &nbsp;Might be 15 minutes=E2=80=A615 days or</SPAN></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">three month later. Might do it 4 times in a row=
 or once and not repeat. &nbsp;Speed does not effect it. </SPAN></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">Engine temp does not effect it=E2=80=A6 &nbsp;d=
oes it hot or cold. With the a/c on or off. &nbsp;It does not have a</SPAN>=
</P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">Cutoff switch in the system. &nbsp;Longest peri=
od with no failure is 7 months=E2=80=A6 shortest was 4 minutes.</SPAN></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri"></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">When it stalls we checked fuel by looking in th=
e bowl of carb and gas is spraying as it should</SPAN></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">So we are assuming electrical of some sort. &nb=
sp;So far we=E2=80=99ve done the following=E2=80=A6</SPAN></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri"></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">Replaced battery with new red top optima batter=
y and all new battery cables (2 gauge I think)</SPAN></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">Replaced all ground cables frame/block=E2=80=A6=
 frame/chassis with 2/0 welding cable with new crimped</SPAN></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">connectors and clean, bare metal attachment poi=
nts</SPAN></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">replaced ignition switch (twice=E2=80=A6 first =
with import then with oem switch)</SPAN></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">replaced coil and distributor with MSD system w=
ith spark control box, separate coil and distributor=E2=80=A6</SPAN></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">it was taken from running vehicle. &nbsp;It's d=
oing the same &nbsp;thing as the original ignition system.</SPAN></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">Replaced complete wiring harness=E2=80=A6headli=
ght to taillight with new Autowire harness=E2=80=A6including all</SPAN></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">Switches and relays. Professionally done.</SPAN=
></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">Everything else electrical works without a glit=
ch=E2=80=A6 &nbsp;we are at the wall here=E2=80=A6</SPAN></P>
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<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">Ideas, suggestions, calculated wild a** guesses=
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From: Douglas Shook <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 20 May 2026 04:53:32 -0400

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As you know, intermittent electrical problems are some of the most
difficult to track down.

About your only course of action is when it happens, try to monitor/measure
all possible factors before you restart.

Do any of the gauges or indicator lights indicate any problem when it
occurs? Any audible clicks or pops? Does it only happen when it is hot
outside, cold outside, wet outside, etc. Trying to find any common factor
for the moment when the failure occurs could help you start to track it
down.

I know it seems unlikely, but if turning the ignition switch seems to solve
the problem, it could be the ignition switch (I have had two ignition
switches fail intermittently, so I am attentive to that possibility).

You almost have to hope that whatever it is that fails briefly will fail
permanently so that you can track it down.

If it always occurred when you hit a bump (electrical connection) or after
the engine had been running for an hour or so (overheated component), etc.,
you could start to track things down, but it seems totally random.

On Wed, May 20, 2026 at 1:53=E2=80=AFAM john niolon <[email-masked]> wrote=
:

> Hey Moose, thanks for the reply.  Harness was done by a pro that does it
> for a living...He is meticulous.  He completely strips everything
> from the car then starts from a blank slate... Everything new.. Nice loom=
s
> and grommets at every hole and hides as much of it as he can.
>
> Every component was new and oem or better... no import crap.   I'm of the
> same opinion as you afa a short to ground but it's gotta be hidden inside
> something
> that we can't see.
>
> Someone on my ford forum suggested putting a volt meter in the circuit an=
d
> watch the voltage for a drop...but you're so busy trying to get out of
> traffic and not
> get plowed it's difficult to remember to watch the meter....   and yes
> this has been going on for over a year...intermittently and even after al=
l
> the changes... it persists
>
> john
>
>
> *----- Original Message -----*
> *From:* <[email-masked]>
> *To:* shop-talk <[email-masked]>
> *Cc:* john niolon <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* 05/19/2026 4:40:59 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem
> ------------------------------
> John, I would have bet money it was a hidden wire short somewhere. It had
> all the Hallmarks.  But you stated the wiring harness what completely
> replaced. So, that rules that out...
>
> Or does it?
>
> My question, when you said 'headlight to taillight', that is complete.
> BUT was there ANY wire that was in that car that wasn't part of the harne=
ss?
>
> Something in dash, neutral switch, tranny indicator, or some other
> component?
>
> I'm still betting on a wire short, but I guess it could be a short inside
> a component.  Maybe inside the alt or other part?
>
> BTW, I'm assuming it was doing this, before you did all these mods, right=
?
>
> Anyway, that is a stumper.
>
> Moose
>
>
>
> From:        "john niolon" <[email-masked]>
> To:        "shop-talk" <[email-masked]>
> Date:        05/19/2026 13:16
> Subject:        [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem
> Sent by:        "Shop-talk" <[email-masked]>
> ------------------------------
>
>
> Problem=E2=80=A6 when driving the engine dies like you cut it off=E2=80=
=A6BUT will start
> back up
>
> Immediately and run perfectly till the next time it does it.  Might be 15
> three month later. Might do it 4 times in a row or once and not repeat.
> Speed does not effect it.
>
> Engine temp does not effect it=E2=80=A6  does it hot or cold. With the a/=
c on or
> off.  It does not have a
>
> Cutoff switch in the system.  Longest period with no failure is 7 months=
=E2=80=A6
> shortest was 4 minutes.
>
>
>
> When it stalls we checked fuel by looking in the bowl of carb and gas is
> spraying as it should
>
> So we are assuming electrical of some sort.  So far we=E2=80=99ve done th=
e
> following=E2=80=A6
>
>
>
> Replaced battery with new red top optima battery and all new battery
> cables (2 gauge I think)
>
> Replaced all ground cables frame/block=E2=80=A6 frame/chassis with 2/0 we=
lding
> cable with new crimped
> replaced ignition switch (twice=E2=80=A6 first with import then with oem =
switch)
>
> replaced coil and distributor with MSD system with spark control box,
> separate coil and distributor=E2=80=A6
>
> it was taken from running vehicle.  It's doing the same  thing as the
> original ignition system.
>
> Replaced complete wiring harness=E2=80=A6headlight to taillight with new =
Autowire
> harness=E2=80=A6including all
>
> Everything else electrical works without a glitch=E2=80=A6  we are at the=
 wall
> here=E2=80=A6
>
>
>
> Ideas, suggestions, calculated wild a** guesses welcomed=E2=80=A6
>
> thanks
>
>
>
> john
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">As =
you know, intermittent=C2=A0electrical problems are some of the most diffic=
ult to track down.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:sma=
ll"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">About =
your only course of action is when it happens, try to monitor/measure all p=
ossible factors before you restart.=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default"=
 style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"=
font-size:small">Do any of the gauges or indicator=C2=A0lights indicate any=
 problem when it occurs? Any audible clicks or pops? Does it only happen wh=
en it is hot outside, cold outside, wet outside, etc. Trying to find any co=
mmon factor for the moment when the failure occurs could help you start to =
track it down.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">=
<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">I know it =
seems unlikely, but if turning the ignition switch seems to solve the probl=
em, it could be the ignition switch (I have had two ignition switches fail =
intermittently, so I am attentive to that possibility).</div><div class=3D"=
gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_defa=
ult" style=3D"font-size:small">You almost have to hope that whatever it is =
that fails briefly will fail permanently=C2=A0so that you can track it down=
.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><di=
v class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">If it always occurred w=
hen you hit a bump (electrical connection) or after the engine had been run=
ning for an hour or so (overheated component), etc., you could start to tra=
ck things down, but it seems totally random.</div></div><br><div class=3D"g=
mail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On =
Wed, May 20, 2026 at 1:53=E2=80=AFAM john niolon &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jnio=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"g=
mail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204=
,204,204);padding-left:1ex">

<div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">Hey Moose, thanks for the reply.=C2=A0 Harness=
 was done by a pro that does it for a living...He is meticulous.=C2=A0 He c=
ompletely strips everything</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">from the car then starts from a blank slate...=
 Everything new.. Nice looms and grommets at every hole and hides as much o=
f it as he can.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">Every component was new and oem or better... n=
o import crap.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I&#39;m of the same opinion as you afa a short t=
o ground but it&#39;s gotta be hidden inside something</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">that we can&#39;t see.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">Someone on my ford forum suggested putting a v=
olt meter in the circuit and watch the voltage for a drop...but you&#39;re =
so busy trying to get out of traffic and not</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">get plowed it&#39;s difficult to remember to w=
atch the meter....=C2=A0=C2=A0 and yes this has been going on for over a ye=
ar...intermittently and even after all the changes... it persists</font></d=
iv>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">john</font></div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<blockquote style=3D"padding:0px 0px 0px 0.5em;border-left:1px solid rgb(19=
9,229,255);margin:0px 0px 0px 0.5em">
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;;color:rgb(0,0=
,0)"><b>----- Original Message -----</b></div>
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;;color:rgb(0,0=
,0)"><b>From:</b> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank=
">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</div>
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;;color:rgb(0,0=
,0)"><b>To:</b> shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" t=
arget=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</div>
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;;color:rgb(0,0=
,0)"><b>Cc:</b> john niolon &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</div>
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;;color:rgb(0,0=
,0)"><b>Sent:</b> 05/19/2026 4:40:59 PM</div>
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;;color:rgb(0,0=
,0)"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem<=
/div>
<hr style=3D"border-width:medium;border-style:none;border-color:currentcolo=
r;height:1px;color:rgb(204,204,204);background-color:rgb(204,204,204)">

<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;;font-weight:n=
ormal;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;fon=
t-family:sans-serif">John, I would have bet money it was a hidden wire shor=
t somewhere. It had all the Hallmarks.=C2=A0 But you stated the wiring harn=
ess what completely replaced. So, that rules that out...</span> <br><br><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Or does it?</span> <br><=
br><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">My question, when =
you said &#39;headlight to taillight&#39;, that is complete.=C2=A0 BUT was =
there ANY wire that was in that car that wasn&#39;t part of the harness?</s=
pan> <br><br><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Somethin=
g in dash, neutral switch, tranny indicator, or some other component?</span=
> <br><br><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">I&#39;m sti=
ll betting on a wire short, but I guess it could be a short inside a compon=
ent.=C2=A0 Maybe inside the alt or other part?</span> <br><br><span style=
=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">BTW, I&#39;m assuming it was doi=
ng this, before you did all these mods, right? </span><br><br><span style=
=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Anyway, that is a stumper.</span=
> <br><br><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Moose</span=
> <br><br><br><br><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif;color=
:rgb(95,95,95)">From: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font=
-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">&quot;john niolon&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> <br>=
<span style=3D"font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:rgb(95,95,95)">To=
: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;font-famil=
y:sans-serif">&quot;shop-talk&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
eam.net" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> <br><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:rgb(95,95,95)">Date: =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;font-family:=
sans-serif">05/19/2026 13:16</span> <br><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;font-f=
amily:sans-serif;color:rgb(95,95,95)">Subject: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<=
/span><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">[Shop-talk] stra=
nge automotive electrical problem</span> <br><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;f=
ont-family:sans-serif;color:rgb(95,95,95)">Sent by: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">&quot;Sho=
p-talk&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> <br>
<hr noshade>
<br><br>
<p style=3D"margin-bottom:0px;margin-top:0px"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt=
;font-family:Calibri">Strange automotive electrical problem we need help wi=
th=E2=80=A6</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin-bottom:0px;margin-top:0px"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt=
;font-family:Calibri">55 chevy automatic with 383 stroker motor, carbed, p/=
s,p/b,a/c</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin-bottom:0px;margin-top:0px"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt=
;font-family:Calibri">Dakota digital dash system including neutral safety s=
witch and</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin-bottom:0px;margin-top:0px"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt=
;font-family:Calibri">Transmission gear indicator</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin-bottom:0px;margin-top:0px"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt=
;font-family:Calibri"></span>=C2=A0</p>
<p style=3D"margin-bottom:0px;margin-top:0px"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt=
;font-family:Calibri">When it is running right, it=E2=80=99s scary strong.=
=C2=A0 Cruises nicely.</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin-bottom:0px;margin-top:0px"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt=
;font-family:Calibri"></span>=C2=A0</p>
<p style=3D"margin-bottom:0px;margin-top:0px"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt=
;font-family:Calibri">Problem=E2=80=A6 when driving the engine dies like yo=
u cut it off=E2=80=A6BUT will start back up</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin-bottom:0px;margin-top:0px"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt=
;font-family:Calibri">Immediately and run perfectly till the next time it d=
oes it.=C2=A0 Might be 15 minutes=E2=80=A615 days or</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin-bottom:0px;margin-top:0px"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt=
;font-family:Calibri">three month later. Might do it 4 times in a row or on=
ce and not repeat.=C2=A0 Speed does not effect it. </span></p>
<p style=3D"margin-bottom:0px;margin-top:0px"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt=
;font-family:Calibri">Engine temp does not effect it=E2=80=A6 =C2=A0does it=
 hot or cold. With the a/c on or off.=C2=A0 It does not have a</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin-bottom:0px;margin-top:0px"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt=
;font-family:Calibri">Cutoff switch in the system.=C2=A0 Longest period wit=
h no failure is 7 months=E2=80=A6 shortest was 4 minutes.</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin-bottom:0px;margin-top:0px"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt=
;font-family:Calibri"></span>=C2=A0</p>
<p style=3D"margin-bottom:0px;margin-top:0px"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt=
;font-family:Calibri">When it stalls we checked fuel by looking in the bowl=
 of carb and gas is spraying as it should</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin-bottom:0px;margin-top:0px"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt=
;font-family:Calibri">So we are assuming electrical of some sort.=C2=A0 So =
far we=E2=80=99ve done the following=E2=80=A6</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin-bottom:0px;margin-top:0px"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt=
;font-family:Calibri"></span>=C2=A0</p>
<p style=3D"margin-bottom:0px;margin-top:0px"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt=
;font-family:Calibri">Replaced battery with new red top optima battery and =
all new battery cables (2 gauge I think)</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin-bottom:0px;margin-top:0px"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt=
;font-family:Calibri">Replaced all ground cables frame/block=E2=80=A6 frame=
/chassis with 2/0 welding cable with new crimped</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin-bottom:0px;margin-top:0px"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt=
;font-family:Calibri">connectors and clean, bare metal attachment points</s=
pan></p>
<p style=3D"margin-bottom:0px;margin-top:0px"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt=
;font-family:Calibri">replaced ignition switch (twice=E2=80=A6 first with i=
mport then with oem switch)</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin-bottom:0px;margin-top:0px"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt=
;font-family:Calibri">replaced coil and distributor with MSD system with sp=
ark control box, separate coil and distributor=E2=80=A6</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin-bottom:0px;margin-top:0px"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt=
;font-family:Calibri">it was taken from running vehicle.=C2=A0 It&#39;s doi=
ng the same =C2=A0thing as the original ignition system.</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin-bottom:0px;margin-top:0px"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt=
;font-family:Calibri">Replaced complete wiring harness=E2=80=A6headlight to=
 taillight with new Autowire harness=E2=80=A6including all</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin-bottom:0px;margin-top:0px"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt=
;font-family:Calibri">Switches and relays. Professionally done.</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin-bottom:0px;margin-top:0px"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt=
;font-family:Calibri">Everything else electrical works without a glitch=E2=
=80=A6 =C2=A0we are at the wall here=E2=80=A6</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin-bottom:0px;margin-top:0px"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt=
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v=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body dir=3D=
"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">New doesn=E2=80=99t mean good=
. &nbsp;It just means new.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D=
"ltr">=46rom your symptoms, it sounds like you=E2=80=99re losing spark. &nbs=
p;You (or your mechanic) need to draw a diagram of what the ignition system s=
hould look like. Where it gets power, where the grounds are, what inputs the=
 spark box has, what the distributor has, etc. then you need to verify that y=
our diagram is right, by visual inspection (don=E2=80=99t take it apart). If=
 it doesn=E2=80=99t match, figure out why. Once you know the fundamental set=
 up is right, you need to work through it, starting at the battery, through t=
he fuse box, the ignition switch, ending at the plugs. &nbsp;My suspicion is=
 that you have something physically broken, that is intermittently opening. C=
ould be a bad terminal termination (if the wiring was soldered, replaced the=
 solder joints with properly crimped ones. &nbsp;Solder has no place in auto=
motive wiring, it creates stiff points that fail at the end of the joint.), c=
ould be a pin fit problem, could be a fuse holder flexing, could be an ignit=
ion switch opening, could be a relay unlatching, could be a wire with a brea=
k. Could have a ground that goes away when the engine moves. Could be someth=
ing else=E2=80=A6</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">But syste=
matic inspection is the way to find it , not just firing the parts cannon.&n=
bsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D=
"cite">On May 20, 2026, at 00:58, and john niolon &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wr=
ote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=
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<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">Hey Moose, thanks for the reply.&nbsp; Harness w=
as done by a pro that does it for a living...He is meticulous.&nbsp; He comp=
letely strips everything</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">from the car then starts from a blank slate... E=
verything new.. Nice looms and grommets at every hole and hides as much of i=
t as he can.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">Every component was new and oem or better... no=
 import crap.&nbsp;&nbsp; I'm of the same opinion as you afa a short to grou=
nd but it's gotta be hidden inside something</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">that we can't see.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">Someone on my ford forum suggested putting a vo=
lt meter in the circuit and watch the voltage for a drop...but you're so bus=
y trying to get out of traffic and not</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">get plowed it's difficult to remember to watch t=
he meter....&nbsp;&nbsp; and yes this has been going on for over a year...in=
termittently and even after all the changes... it persists</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">john</font></div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<blockquote style=3D"PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0.=
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T: 0px">
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---- Original Message -----</b></div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Segoe UI'; COLOR: #000000"><b>From:=
</b> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</div=
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Segoe UI'; COLOR: #000000"><b>T=
o:</b> shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">shop-talk@a=
utox.team.net</a>&gt;</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Segoe UI'; COLOR: #000000"><b>C=
c:</b> john niolon &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a=
>&gt;</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Segoe UI'; COLOR: #000000"><b>S=
ent:</b> 05/19/2026 4:40:59 PM</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Segoe UI'; COLOR: #000000"><b>S=
ubject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem</div>
<hr style=3D"BORDER-TOP: medium none; HEIGHT: 1px; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none=
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<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Segoe UI'; FONT-WEIGHT: normal;=
 COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FA=
MILY: sans-serif">John, I would have bet money it was a hidden wire short so=
mewhere. It had all the Hallmarks. &nbsp;But you stated the wiring harness w=
hat completely replaced. So, that rules that out...</span> <br><br><span sty=
le=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">Or does it?</span> <br><br><=
span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">My question, when yo=
u said 'headlight to taillight', that is complete. &nbsp;BUT was there ANY w=
ire that was in that car that wasn't part of the harness?</span> <br><br><sp=
an style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">Something in dash, neu=
tral switch, tranny indicator, or some other component?</span> <br><br><span=
 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">I'm still betting on a w=
ire short, but I guess it could be a short inside a component. &nbsp;Maybe i=
nside the alt or other part?</span> <br><br><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; =
FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">BTW, I'm assuming it was doing this, before you did=
 all these mods, right? </span><br><br><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-=
FAMILY: sans-serif">Anyway, that is a stumper.</span> <br><br><span style=3D=
"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">Moose</span> <br><br><br><br><spa=
n style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif; COLOR: #5f5f5f">From: &n=
bsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: s=
ans-serif">"john niolon" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;</span> <br><span style=3D"FO=
NT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif; COLOR: #5f5f5f">To: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nb=
sp; &nbsp;</span><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">"sh=
op-talk" &lt;[email-masked]&gt;</span> <br><span style=3D"FONT-SIZ=
E: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif; COLOR: #5f5f5f">Date: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &=
nbsp;</span><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">05/19/20=
26 13:16</span> <br><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif; C=
OLOR: #5f5f5f">Subject: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span style=3D"FON=
T-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">[Shop-talk] strange automotive electri=
cal problem</span> <br><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-seri=
f; COLOR: #5f5f5f">Sent by: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span style=3D=
"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">"Shop-talk" &lt;shop-talk-bounces@=
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<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 1=
2pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">Strange automotive electrical problem we need hel=
p with=E2=80=A6</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 1=
2pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">55 chevy automatic with 383 stroker motor, carbed=
, p/s,p/b,a/c</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 1=
2pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">Dakota digital dash system including neutral safe=
ty switch and</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 1=
2pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">Transmission gear indicator</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 1=
2pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri"></span>&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 1=
2pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">When it is running right, it=E2=80=99s scary stro=
ng. &nbsp;Cruises nicely.</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 1=
2pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri"></span>&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 1=
2pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">Problem=E2=80=A6 when driving the engine dies lik=
e you cut it off=E2=80=A6BUT will start back up</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 1=
2pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">Immediately and run perfectly till the next time i=
t does it. &nbsp;Might be 15 minutes=E2=80=A615 days or</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 1=
2pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">three month later. Might do it 4 times in a row o=
r once and not repeat. &nbsp;Speed does not effect it. </span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 1=
2pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">Engine temp does not effect it=E2=80=A6 &nbsp;doe=
s it hot or cold. With the a/c on or off. &nbsp;It does not have a</span></p=
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 1=
2pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">Cutoff switch in the system. &nbsp;Longest period=
 with no failure is 7 months=E2=80=A6 shortest was 4 minutes.</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 1=
2pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri"></span>&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 1=
2pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">When it stalls we checked fuel by looking in the b=
owl of carb and gas is spraying as it should</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 1=
2pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">So we are assuming electrical of some sort. &nbsp=
;So far we=E2=80=99ve done the following=E2=80=A6</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 1=
2pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri"></span>&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 1=
2pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">Replaced battery with new red top optima battery a=
nd all new battery cables (2 gauge I think)</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 1=
2pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">Replaced all ground cables frame/block=E2=80=A6 f=
rame/chassis with 2/0 welding cable with new crimped</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 1=
2pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">connectors and clean, bare metal attachment point=
s</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 1=
2pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">replaced ignition switch (twice=E2=80=A6 first wi=
th import then with oem switch)</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 1=
2pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">replaced coil and distributor with MSD system wit=
h spark control box, separate coil and distributor=E2=80=A6</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 1=
2pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">it was taken from running vehicle. &nbsp;It's doi=
ng the same &nbsp;thing as the original ignition system.</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 1=
2pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">Replaced complete wiring harness=E2=80=A6headligh=
t to taillight with new Autowire harness=E2=80=A6including all</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 1=
2pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">Switches and relays. Professionally done.</span><=
/p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 1=
2pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">Everything else electrical works without a glitch=
=E2=80=A6 &nbsp;we are at the wall here=E2=80=A6</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 1=
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<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 1=
2pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">Ideas, suggestions, calculated wild a** guesses w=
elcomed=E2=80=A6 &nbsp; </span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 1=
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Not exactly the problem you're having, but maybe something similar. Decades
ago when I worked for a Volkswagen dealer, we had a newish car that
exhibited a similar electrical problem. The guy would go out to his car,
try to crank it up to go to work, and it wouldn't start. He had it towed in
three times and all three times they dropped it off the wrecker, it cranked
up and drove perfectly. Finally, the fourth time he had the problem, my
boss told me to get some tools and drive to the guy's house. I spent about
30 minutes tracing the problem, and finally found it. Underneath the carpet
in the trunk of the car there was a wire connection for the fuel pump. A
single wire plugged into another single wire inside of plastic connector.
That connector was taped to the floor the back of the car. I traced the
electrical problem to that point - power ahead of it and not after it. When
I peeled the tape back, I found that the wires were plugged in far enough
to touch, but not far enough to be permanently connected.

I just pushed the wires together, and everything was fine. No more
trouble.  Apparently, the wires would retract from one another when it got
a little cool, and break the connection to the fuel pump.  Putting it on
the wrecker and bouncing it to the shop was enough to remake the connection=
.

=A6BUT will start
> three month later. Might do it 4 times in a row or once and not repeat.  =
Speed
> does not effect it.
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<div dir=3D"auto">Not exactly the problem you&#39;re having, but maybe some=
thing similar. Decades ago when I worked for a Volkswagen dealer, we had a =
newish car that exhibited a similar electrical problem. The guy would go ou=
t to his car, try to crank it up to go to work, and it wouldn&#39;t start. =
He had it towed in three times and all three times they dropped it off the =
wrecker, it cranked up and drove perfectly. Finally, the fourth time he had=
 the problem, my boss told me to get some tools and drive to the guy&#39;s =
house. I spent about 30 minutes tracing the problem, and finally found it. =
Underneath the carpet in the trunk of the car there was a wire connection f=
or the fuel pump. A single wire plugged into another single wire inside of =
plastic connector. That connector was taped to the floor the back of the ca=
r. I traced the electrical problem to that point - power ahead of it and no=
t after it. When I peeled the tape back, I found that the wires were plugge=
d in far enough to touch, but not far enough to be permanently connected.=
=C2=A0<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I just pushed the wires=
 together, and everything was fine. No more trouble.=C2=A0 Apparently, the =
wires would retract from one another when it got a little cool, and break t=
he connection to the fuel pump.=C2=A0 Putting it on the wrecker and bouncin=
g it to the shop was enough to remake the connection.</div></div><br><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_=
attr">On Tue, May 19, 2026, 13:23 john niolon &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jniolon=
@att.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left=
:1ex">

<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt"><font face=3D"Calibri">=
Strange automotive electrical problem we need help with=E2=80=A6</font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt"><font face=3D"Calibri">=
55 chevy automatic with 383 stroker motor, carbed, p/s,p/b,a/c</font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt"><font face=3D"Calibri">=
Dakota digital dash system including neutral safety switch and</font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt"><font face=3D"Calibri">=
Transmission gear indicator</font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt"><u></u><font face=3D"Ca=
libri">=C2=A0</font><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt"><font face=3D"Calibri">=
When it is running right, it=E2=80=99s scary strong.<span>=C2=A0 </span>Cru=
ises nicely.</font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt"><u></u><font face=3D"Ca=
libri">=C2=A0</font><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt"><font face=3D"Calibri">=
Problem=E2=80=A6 when driving the engine dies like you cut it off=E2=80=A6B=
UT will start back up</font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt"><font face=3D"Calibri">=
Immediately and run perfectly till the next time it does it.<span>=C2=A0 </=
span>Might be 15 minutes=E2=80=A615 days or</font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt"><font face=3D"Calibri">=
three month later. Might do it 4 times in a row or once and not repeat.<spa=
n>=C2=A0 </span>Speed does not effect it. </font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt"><font face=3D"Calibri">=
Engine temp does not effect it=E2=80=A6<span>=C2=A0 </span>does it hot or c=
old. With the a/c on or off.<span>=C2=A0 </span>It does not have a</font></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt"><font face=3D"Calibri">=
Cutoff switch in the system.<span>=C2=A0 </span>Longest period with no fail=
ure is 7 months=E2=80=A6 shortest was 4 minutes.</font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt"><u></u><font face=3D"Ca=
libri">=C2=A0</font><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt"><font face=3D"Calibri">=
When it stalls we checked fuel by looking in the bowl of carb and gas is sp=
raying as it should</font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt"><font face=3D"Calibri">=
So we are assuming electrical of some sort.<span>=C2=A0 </span>So far we=E2=
=80=99ve done the following=E2=80=A6</font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt"><u></u><font face=3D"Ca=
libri">=C2=A0</font><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt"><font face=3D"Calibri">=
Replaced battery with new red top optima battery and all new battery cables=
 (2 gauge I think)</font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt"><font face=3D"Calibri">=
Replaced all ground cables frame/block=E2=80=A6 frame/chassis with 2/0 weld=
ing cable with new crimped</font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt"><font face=3D"Calibri">=
connectors and clean, bare metal attachment points</font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt"><font face=3D"Calibri">=
replaced ignition switch (twice=E2=80=A6 first with import then with oem sw=
itch)</font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt"><font face=3D"Calibri">=
replaced coil and distributor with MSD system with spark control box, separ=
ate coil and distributor=E2=80=A6</font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt"><font face=3D"Calibri">=
it was taken from running vehicle.=C2=A0 It&#39;s doing the same=C2=A0 thin=
g as the original ignition system.</font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt"><font face=3D"Calibri">=
Replaced complete wiring harness=E2=80=A6headlight to taillight with new Au=
towire harness=E2=80=A6including all</font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt"><font face=3D"Calibri">=
Switches and relays. Professionally done.</font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt"><font face=3D"Calibri">=
Everything else electrical works without a glitch=E2=80=A6<span>=C2=A0 </sp=
an>we are at the wall here=E2=80=A6</font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt"><u></u><font face=3D"Ca=
libri">=C2=A0</font><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt"><font face=3D"Calibri">=
Ideas, suggestions, calculated wild a** guesses welcomed=E2=80=A6=C2=A0=C2=
=A0 </font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt"><font face=3D"Calibri">=
thanks</font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt"><font face=3D"Calibri">=
</font>=C2=A0</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt"><font face=3D"Calibri">=
john</font></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt"><u></u><font face=3D"Ca=
libri">=C2=A0</font><u></u></p></div></div>________________________________=
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Howdy,

I had a similar thing a long time ago with a more modern car... '99
Camaro.  That did turn out to be grounding related (specifically, the
grounds between the engine block and the chassis).

But in my case the car almost never ran right, vs. it only occasionally
having a problem.  Not to say that you couldn't be on a similar path of
course.  Given that its fairly easy, I would definitely just run a
completely new / separate grounding wire from the engine to the chassis.
Maybe even one to the frame and one to whatever sheet metal your ignition
stuff is mounted on / getting its ground from?

I also wouldn't rule out the new harness if everything else checks out
either though.  You wouldn't be the first person to have a brand new thing
have an issue.  I assume you've carefully inspected all related connectors
for a pin that's not fully seated, etc. etc?

Good luck!  With my Camaro after dicking with it for a year or so, I took
it to a very well respected mechanic with instructions to either fix it or
burn it.  At that point I didn't care which way it went.  :)

Mark

On Wed, May 20, 2026 at 1:37=E2=80=AFAM Pat Horne <[email-masked]> w=
rote:

> Block to frame/body ground straps?
>
> Pat Horne
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Howdy,<div><br></div><div>I had a similar thing a long tim=
e ago with a more modern car... &#39;99 Camaro.=C2=A0 That did turn out to =
be grounding related (specifically, the grounds between the engine block an=
d the chassis).<br><br>But in my case the car almost never ran right, vs.=
=C2=A0it only occasionally having a problem.=C2=A0 Not to say that you coul=
dn&#39;t be on a similar path of course.=C2=A0 Given that its fairly easy, =
I would definitely just run a completely new / separate grounding wire from=
 the engine to the chassis.=C2=A0 Maybe even one to the=C2=A0frame and one =
to whatever sheet metal your ignition stuff is mounted=C2=A0on / getting it=
s ground from?<br><br>I also wouldn&#39;t rule out the new harness if every=
thing else checks out either though.=C2=A0 You wouldn&#39;t be the first pe=
rson to have a brand new thing have an issue.=C2=A0 I assume you&#39;ve car=
efully inspected all related connectors for a pin that&#39;s not fully seat=
ed, etc. etc?<br><br>Good luck!=C2=A0 With my Camaro after dicking with it =
for a year or so, I took it to a very well respected mechanic with instruct=
ions to either fix it or burn it.=C2=A0 At that point I didn&#39;t care whi=
ch way it went.=C2=A0 :)<br><br>Mark</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, May=
 20, 2026 at 1:37=E2=80=AFAM Pat Horne &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:patintexas@icl=
oud.com">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D=
"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(2=
04,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">Block to frame/body ground =
straps?<div><br id=3D"m_-3766153681710432499lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature=
"><div dir=3D"ltr">Pat Horne=C2=A0<div>We support Habitat for Humanity</div=
><div><br></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On May 19, 2026, at 6:29=E2=80=
=AFPM, <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">eric@megageek=
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It sounds like you are/have ruled out fuel starvation, indicating it has
fuel as far as the carburetor (and presumably the cylinders), and you
appear to be describing a sudden 'cut off' as opposed to the less sudden
dieing out do to temporary lack of fuel. Yes?

If so, it seems like it would need to be a fault in the ignition system
that allows spark, then changes state to deny spark, then returns to the
prior or similar state where spark gets called for, produced and delivered.

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<div dir=3D"auto"><div>It sounds like you are/have ruled out fuel starvatio=
n, indicating it has fuel as far as the carburetor (and presumably the cyli=
nders), and you appear to be describing a sudden &#39;cut off&#39; as oppos=
ed to the less sudden dieing out do to temporary lack of fuel. Yes?</div><d=
iv dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">If so, it seems like it would n=
eed to be a fault in the ignition system that allows spark, then changes st=
ate to deny spark, then returns to the prior or similar state where spark g=
ets called for, produced and delivered.</div><div><br></div><div data-smart=
mail=3D"gmail_signature">________________<br>Sent from my phone <br>Best Re=
gards,<br>Al Fuller</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_co=
ntainer"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, May 19, 2026, 10:52=
=E2=80=AFPM john niolon &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">jniolon@att.=
net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"marg=
in:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">Hey Moose, thanks for the reply.=C2=A0 Harness=
 was done by a pro that does it for a living...He is meticulous.=C2=A0 He c=
ompletely strips everything</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">from the car then starts from a blank slate...=
 Everything new.. Nice looms and grommets at every hole and hides as much o=
f it as he can.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">Every component was new and oem or better... n=
o import crap.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I&#39;m of the same opinion as you afa a short t=
o ground but it&#39;s gotta be hidden inside something</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">that we can&#39;t see.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">Someone on my ford forum suggested putting a v=
olt meter in the circuit and watch the voltage for a drop...but you&#39;re =
so busy trying to get out of traffic and not</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">get plowed it&#39;s difficult to remember to w=
atch the meter....=C2=A0=C2=A0 and yes this has been going on for over a ye=
ar...intermittently and even after all the changes... it persists</font></d=
iv>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">john</font></div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<blockquote style=3D"PADDING-BOTTOM:0px;PADDING-TOP:0px;PADDING-LEFT:0.5em;=
BORDER-LEFT:#c7e5ff 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.5em;PADDING-RIGHT:0px">
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:&#39;Segoe UI&#39;;COLOR:#000000">=
<b>----- Original Message -----</b></div>
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<b>From:</b> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=
=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:&#39;Segoe UI&#39;;COLOR:#000000">=
<b>To:</b> shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:&#39;Segoe UI&#39;;COLOR:#000000">=
<b>Cc:</b> john niolon &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_bl=
ank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:&#39;Segoe UI&#39;;COLOR:#000000">=
<b>Sent:</b> 05/19/2026 4:40:59 PM</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:&#39;Segoe UI&#39;;COLOR:#000000">=
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem</div>
<hr style=3D"BORDER-TOP:medium none;HEIGHT:1px;BORDER-RIGHT:medium none;BOR=
DER-BOTTOM:medium none;COLOR:#ccc;BORDER-LEFT:medium none;BACKGROUND-COLOR:=
#ccc">

<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:&#39;Segoe UI&#39;;FONT-WEIGHT:nor=
mal;COLOR:#000000;FONT-STYLE:normal"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAM=
ILY:sans-serif">John, I would have bet money it was a hidden wire short som=
ewhere. It had all the Hallmarks.=C2=A0 But you stated the wiring harness w=
hat completely replaced. So, that rules that out...</span> <br><br><span st=
yle=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif">Or does it?</span> <br><br><s=
pan style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif">My question, when you s=
aid &#39;headlight to taillight&#39;, that is complete.=C2=A0 BUT was there=
 ANY wire that was in that car that wasn&#39;t part of the harness?</span> =
<br><br><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif">Something in =
dash, neutral switch, tranny indicator, or some other component?</span> <br=
><br><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif">I&#39;m still be=
tting on a wire short, but I guess it could be a short inside a component.=
=C2=A0 Maybe inside the alt or other part?</span> <br><br><span style=3D"FO=
NT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif">BTW, I&#39;m assuming it was doing thi=
s, before you did all these mods, right? </span><br><br><span style=3D"FONT=
-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif">Anyway, that is a stumper.</span> <br><b=
r><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif">Moose</span> <br><b=
r><br><br><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:9pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;COLOR:#5f5f5f=
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t;</span> <br><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:9pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;COLOR:#5f=
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<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">Strange automotive electrical problem we need help wi=
th=E2=80=A6</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">55 chevy automatic with 383 stroker motor, carbed, p/=
s,p/b,a/c</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">Dakota digital dash system including neutral safety s=
witch and</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">Transmission gear indicator</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri"></span>=C2=A0</p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">When it is running right, it=E2=80=99s scary strong.=
=C2=A0 Cruises nicely.</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri"></span>=C2=A0</p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">Problem=E2=80=A6 when driving the engine dies like yo=
u cut it off=E2=80=A6BUT will start back up</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">Immediately and run perfectly till the next time it d=
oes it.=C2=A0 Might be 15 minutes=E2=80=A615 days or</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">three month later. Might do it 4 times in a row or on=
ce and not repeat.=C2=A0 Speed does not effect it. </span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">Engine temp does not effect it=E2=80=A6 =C2=A0does it=
 hot or cold. With the a/c on or off.=C2=A0 It does not have a</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">Cutoff switch in the system.=C2=A0 Longest period wit=
h no failure is 7 months=E2=80=A6 shortest was 4 minutes.</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri"></span>=C2=A0</p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">When it stalls we checked fuel by looking in the bowl=
 of carb and gas is spraying as it should</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">So we are assuming electrical of some sort.=C2=A0 So =
far we=E2=80=99ve done the following=E2=80=A6</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri"></span>=C2=A0</p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">Replaced battery with new red top optima battery and =
all new battery cables (2 gauge I think)</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">Replaced all ground cables frame/block=E2=80=A6 frame=
/chassis with 2/0 welding cable with new crimped</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">connectors and clean, bare metal attachment points</s=
pan></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">replaced ignition switch (twice=E2=80=A6 first with i=
mport then with oem switch)</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">replaced coil and distributor with MSD system with sp=
ark control box, separate coil and distributor=E2=80=A6</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">it was taken from running vehicle.=C2=A0 It&#39;s doi=
ng the same =C2=A0thing as the original ignition system.</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">Replaced complete wiring harness=E2=80=A6headlight to=
 taillight with new Autowire harness=E2=80=A6including all</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">Switches and relays. Professionally done.</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">Everything else electrical works without a glitch=E2=
=80=A6 =C2=A0we are at the wall here=E2=80=A6</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri"></span>=C2=A0</p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
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<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
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Good point!!  Is this a column shift?

I'm betting the first thing that happens when the engine quits is the gear
shifter gets moved. (Into neutral or park, if stopped; into neutral to
coast off the road if it happens while driving...) Moving the shifter could
be changing whether spark is being called for.

________________
Sent from my phone
Best Regards,
Al Fuller

On Wed, May 20, 2026, 11:15=E2=80=AFAM [email-masked] <watsonm05@com=
cast.net>
wrote:

> Well, I've seen a lot of good suggestions but there's one part of the
> problem description that hasn't been addressed:
>
> "...Dakota digital dash system *including neutral safety switch* and
> Transmission gear indicator"
>
> What if the digital dash is opening the neutral safety switch when it
> shouldn't?
>
> My wild a** guess of a suggestion for whatever it's worth (maybe exactly
> what you paid for it - $0.00 ;-) )
>
> Mark
> *From:* Shop-talk <[email-masked]> on behalf of Mark
> Andy <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2026 1:39 PM
> either though.  You wouldn't be the first person to have a brand new thin=
g
> have an issue.  I assume you've carefully inspected all related connector=
s
> it to a very well respected mechanic with instructions to either fix it o=
r
> On Wed, May 20, 2026 at 1:37=E2=80=AFAM Pat Horne <[email-masked]>=
> <http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/[email-masked]>

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<div dir=3D"auto"><div>Good point!!=C2=A0 Is this a column shift?=C2=A0</di=
v><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I&#39;m betting the first t=
hing that happens when the engine quits is the gear shifter gets moved. (In=
to neutral or park, if stopped; into neutral to coast off the road if it ha=
ppens while driving...) Moving the shifter could be changing whether spark =
is being called for.</div><div><br></div><div data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signa=
ture">________________<br>Sent from my phone <br>Best Regards,<br>Al Fuller=
</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, May 20, 2026, 11:15=E2=80=AFAM <a hre=
f=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></di=
v><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:=
1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Cali=
bri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
Well, I&#39;ve seen a lot of good suggestions but there&#39;s one part of t=
he problem description that hasn&#39;t been addressed:</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Cali=
bri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<p style=3D"text-align:left;text-indent:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,25=
5);margin:0px">
<span style=3D"font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Cal=
ibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">&quot;...</span>=
<span style=3D"font-family:Calibri;font-size:15px;color:rgb(36,36,36)">Dako=
ta digital dash system
<b><u>including neutral safety switch</u></b>=C2=A0and Transmission gear in=
dicator</span><span style=3D"font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSF=
ontService,Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">&q=
uot;</span></p>
<div style=3D"text-align:left;text-indent:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,=
255);margin:0px;font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Ca=
libri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"text-align:left;text-indent:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,=
255);margin:0px;font-family:Aptos,Aptos_EmbeddedFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Ca=
libri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
What if the digital dash is opening the neutral safety switch when it shoul=
dn&#39;t?</div>
<div id=3D"m_-5355120802733893972appendonsend"></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt=
;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
My wild a** guess of a suggestion for whatever it&#39;s worth (maybe exactl=
y what you paid for it - $0.00 ;-) )</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt=
;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt=
;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
Mark</div>
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<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt=
;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<b>From:</b>=C2=A0Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
eam.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked].=
net</a>&gt; on behalf of Mark Andy &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b>=C2=A0Wednesday, May 20, 2026 1:39 PM<br>
<b>To:</b>=C2=A0shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" t=
arget=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b>=C2=A0Re: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem =
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt=
;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
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<div style=3D"direction:ltr">Howdy,</div>
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<div style=3D"direction:ltr">I had a similar thing a long time ago with a m=
ore modern car... &#39;99 Camaro.=C2=A0 That did turn out to be grounding r=
elated (specifically, the grounds between the engine block and the chassis)=
.<br>
<br>
But in my case the car almost never ran right, vs.=C2=A0it only occasionall=
y having a problem.=C2=A0 Not to say that you couldn&#39;t be on a similar =
path of course.=C2=A0 Given that its fairly easy, I would definitely just r=
un a completely new / separate grounding wire from
 the engine to the chassis.=C2=A0 Maybe even one to the=C2=A0frame and one =
to whatever sheet metal your ignition stuff is mounted=C2=A0on / getting it=
s ground from?<br>
<br>
I also wouldn&#39;t rule out the new harness if everything else checks out =
either though.=C2=A0 You wouldn&#39;t be the first person to have a brand n=
ew thing have an issue.=C2=A0 I assume you&#39;ve carefully inspected all r=
elated connectors for a pin that&#39;s not fully seated, etc.
 etc?<br>
<br>
Good luck!=C2=A0 With my Camaro after dicking with it for a year or so, I t=
ook it to a very well respected mechanic with instructions to either fix it=
 or burn it.=C2=A0 At that point I didn&#39;t care which way it went.=C2=A0=
 :)<br>
<br>
Mark</div>
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<div style=3D"direction:ltr">Block to frame/body ground straps?</div>
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<div style=3D"direction:ltr">Pat Horne=C2=A0</div>
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yes  Al...  it shuts down like you turned off the ignition... now a starvin=
g=20
type dying
=20
as for moving the shift lever to neutral... that is the first thing done to=
=20
keep momentum to get it off the road...  As far as going into park... it ha=
s=20
never failed while sitting still or parked,=20
it's always when moving.
=20
Jim... this is a custom street rod and other than maybe the spark control b=
ox not sensing enough voltage there are no other sensors.
=20
Jeff,  both us and the wiring guru have tried to check every connection tha=
t might be suspect and found nothing, but we're=20
not ruling out a pin slipping back inside a connector like David suggested.=
=2E.
I've had that happen in my truck... it was the devil to find.   something t=
o check...
=20
Thanks all for the advice and suggestions guys...   I wish the dang thing w=
ould just fail completely and stay that way... maybe even make some smoke (=
just a little)  At least we'd=20
have a failure point instead of
a gremlin like this.

=20

----- Original Message -----
From: Al Fuller <[email-masked]>
To: john niolon <[email-masked]>
Cc: <[email-masked]>, shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Sent: 05/20/2026 7:39:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem

It sounds like you are/have ruled out fuel starvation, indicating it has fu=
el=20
as far as the carburetor (and presumably the cylinders), and you appear to =
be=20
describing a sudden 'cut off' as opposed to the less sudden dieing out do t=
o=20
temporary lack of fuel. Yes?

If so, it seems like it would need to be a fault in the ignition system tha=
t=20
allows spark, then changes state to deny spark, then returns to the prior o=
r=20
similar state where spark gets called for, produced and delivered.

________________
Sent from my phone=20
Best Regards,
Al Fuller

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To: shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Cc: john niolon <[email-masked]>
Sent: 05/19/2026 4:40:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem

Or does it?=20

BTW, I'm=20

Moose=20

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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">yes &nbsp;Al...&nbsp; it shuts down like you t=
urned off the ignition... now a starving type dying</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">as for moving the shift lever to neutral... th=
at is the first thing done to keep momentum to get it off the road...&nbsp;=
 As far as going into park... it has never failed while sitting still or pa=
rked, it's always when moving.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">Jim... this is a custom street rod and other t=
han maybe the spark control box not sensing enough voltage there are no oth=
er sensors.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">Jeff,&nbsp; both us and the wiring guru have t=
ried to check every connection that might be suspect and found nothing, but=
 we're not ruling out a pin slipping back inside a connector like David sug=
gested...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">I've had that happen in my truck... it was the=
 devil to find.&nbsp;&nbsp; something to check...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">Thanks all for the advice and suggestions guys=
=2E..&nbsp;&nbsp; I wish the dang thing would just fail completely and stay=
 that way... maybe even make some smoke (just a little)&nbsp; At least we'd=
 have a failure point instead of</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">a gremlin like this.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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From:</B> Al Fuller &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">alfuller19=
[email-masked]</A>&gt;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Segoe UI'; COLOR: #000000"><B>=
To:</B> john niolon &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]<=
/A>&gt;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Segoe UI'; COLOR: #000000"><B>=
Cc:</B> &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</A>&gt;,=
 shop-talk &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">shop-talk@autox.=
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Subject:</B> Re: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem</DIV>
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<DIV>It sounds like you are/have ruled out fuel starvation, indicating it h=
as fuel as far as the carburetor (and presumably the cylinders), and you ap=
pear to be describing a sudden 'cut off' as opposed to the less sudden diei=
ng out do to temporary lack of fuel. Yes?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>If so, it seems like it would need to be a fault in the ignition syste=
m that allows spark, then changes state to deny spark, then returns to the =
prior or similar state where spark gets called for, produced and delivered.=
</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature">________________<BR>Sent from my ph=
one <BR>Best Regards,<BR>Al Fuller</DIV></DIV><BR>
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<DIV class=3Dgmail_attr dir=3Dltr>On Tue, May 19, 2026, 10:52=E2=80=AFPM jo=
hn niolon &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</A>&gt; wr=
ote:<BR></DIV>
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cc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex">
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">Hey Moose, thanks for the reply.&nbsp; Harness=
 was done by a pro that does it for a living...He is meticulous.&nbsp; He c=
ompletely strips everything</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">from the car then starts from a blank slate...=
 Everything new.. Nice looms and grommets at every hole and hides as much o=
f it as he can.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">Every component was new and oem or better... n=
o import crap.&nbsp;&nbsp; I'm of the same opinion as you afa a short to gr=
ound but it's gotta be hidden inside something</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">that we can't see.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">Someone on my ford forum suggested putting a v=
olt meter in the circuit and watch the voltage for a drop...but you're so b=
usy trying to get out of traffic and not</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">get plowed it's difficult to remember to watch=
 the meter....&nbsp;&nbsp; and yes this has been going on for over a year..=
=2Eintermittently and even after all the changes... it persists</FONT></DIV=
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">john</FONT></DIV>
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From:</B> &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3Dnoreferrer target=
=3D_blank>[email-masked]</A>&gt;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Segoe UI'; COLOR: #000000"><B>=
To:</B> shop-talk &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3Dnor=
eferrer target=3D_blank>[email-masked]</A>&gt;</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Segoe UI'; COLOR: #000000"><B>=
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Subject:</B> Re: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem</DIV>
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 somewhere. It had all the Hallmarks.&nbsp; But you stated the wiring harne=
><BR><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">My question, =
when you said 'headlight to taillight', that is complete.&nbsp; BUT was the=
re ANY wire that was in that car that wasn't part of the harness?</SPAN> <B=
R><BR><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">Something in=
 dash, neutral switch, tranny indicator, or some other component?</SPAN> <B=
R><BR><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">I'm still be=
tting on a wire short, but I guess it could be a short inside a component.&=
nbsp; Maybe inside the alt or other part?</SPAN> <BR><BR><SPAN style=3D"FON=
T-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">BTW, I'm assuming it was doing this,=
 before you did all these mods, right? </SPAN><BR><BR><SPAN style=3D"FONT-S=
IZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">Anyway, that is a stumper.</SPAN> <BR><=
BR><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">Moose</SPAN> <B=
R><BR><BR><BR><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif; COLOR=
: #5f5f5f">From: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE=
: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">"john niolon" &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:jniolon=
@att.net" rel=3Dnoreferrer target=3D_blank>[email-masked]</A>&gt;</SPAN> <=
BR><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif; COLOR: #5f5f5f">=
To: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-F=
AMILY: sans-serif">"shop-talk" &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
et" rel=3Dnoreferrer target=3D_blank>[email-masked]</A>&gt;</SPAN=
> <BR><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif; COLOR: #5f5f5=
f">Date: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; F=
ONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">05/19/2026 13:16</SPAN> <BR><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZ=
E: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif; COLOR: #5f5f5f">Subject: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nb=
sp; &nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">[S=
hop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem</SPAN> <BR><SPAN style=3D"F=
ONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif; COLOR: #5f5f5f">Sent by: &nbsp; &nb=
sp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</SPAN><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-se=
rif">"Shop-talk" &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" re=
l=3Dnoreferrer target=3D_blank>[email-masked]</A>&gt;</SP=
AN> <BR>
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<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">Strange automotive electrical problem we need h=
elp with=E2=80=A6</SPAN></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">55 chevy automatic with 383 stroker motor, carb=
ed, p/s,p/b,a/c</SPAN></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">Dakota digital dash system including neutral sa=
fety switch and</SPAN></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">Transmission gear indicator</SPAN></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri"></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">When it is running right, it=E2=80=99s scary st=
rong.&nbsp; Cruises nicely.</SPAN></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri"></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">Problem=E2=80=A6 when driving the engine dies l=
ike you cut it off=E2=80=A6BUT will start back up</SPAN></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">Immediately and run perfectly till the next tim=
e it does it.&nbsp; Might be 15 minutes=E2=80=A615 days or</SPAN></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">three month later. Might do it 4 times in a row=
 or once and not repeat.&nbsp; Speed does not effect it. </SPAN></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">Engine temp does not effect it=E2=80=A6 &nbsp;d=
oes it hot or cold. With the a/c on or off.&nbsp; It does not have a</SPAN>=
</P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">Cutoff switch in the system.&nbsp; Longest peri=
od with no failure is 7 months=E2=80=A6 shortest was 4 minutes.</SPAN></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri"></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">When it stalls we checked fuel by looking in th=
e bowl of carb and gas is spraying as it should</SPAN></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">So we are assuming electrical of some sort.&nbs=
p; So far we=E2=80=99ve done the following=E2=80=A6</SPAN></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri"></SPAN>&nbsp;</P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">Replaced battery with new red top optima batter=
y and all new battery cables (2 gauge I think)</SPAN></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">Replaced all ground cables frame/block=E2=80=A6=
 frame/chassis with 2/0 welding cable with new crimped</SPAN></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">connectors and clean, bare metal attachment poi=
nts</SPAN></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">replaced ignition switch (twice=E2=80=A6 first =
with import then with oem switch)</SPAN></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">replaced coil and distributor with MSD system w=
ith spark control box, separate coil and distributor=E2=80=A6</SPAN></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">it was taken from running vehicle.&nbsp; It's d=
oing the same &nbsp;thing as the original ignition system.</SPAN></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">Replaced complete wiring harness=E2=80=A6headli=
ght to taillight with new Autowire harness=E2=80=A6including all</SPAN></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">Switches and relays. Professionally done.</SPAN=
<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">Everything else electrical works without a glit=
ch=E2=80=A6 &nbsp;we are at the wall here=E2=80=A6</SPAN></P>
<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
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<P style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-TOP: 0px"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
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From: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 21 May 2026 10:55:53 +0000 (UTC)

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Check the easy stuff first.=C2=A0 If you suspect the ignition, swap in a ne=
w rotor.=C2=A0 Easy cheap and if it doesn't fix it, you can rule that out a=
nd move on.
Dave=20

=20

    On Wednesday, May 20, 2026 at 07:46:47 PM CDT, Al Fuller <alfuller194@g=
mail.com> wrote:  =20

 It sounds like you are/have ruled out fuel starvation, indicating it has f=
uel as far as the carburetor (and presumably the cylinders), and you appear=
 to be describing a sudden 'cut off' as opposed to the less sudden dieing o=
ut do to temporary lack of fuel. Yes?
If so, it seems like it would need to be a fault in the ignition system tha=
t allows spark, then changes state to deny spark, then returns to the prior=
 or similar state where spark gets called for, produced and delivered.
________________
Sent from my phone=20
Best Regards,
Al Fuller
On Tue, May 19, 2026, 10:52=E2=80=AFPM john niolon <[email-masked]> wrote:

Hey Moose, thanks for the reply.=C2=A0 Harness was done by a pro that does =
it for a living...He is meticulous.=C2=A0 He completely strips everythingfr=
om the car then starts from a blank slate... Everything new.. Nice looms an=
d grommets at every hole and hides as much of it as he can.=C2=A0Every comp=
onent was new and oem or better... no import crap.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I'm of the s=
ame opinion as you afa a short to ground but it's gotta be hidden inside so=
methingthat we can't see.=C2=A0Someone on my ford forum suggested putting a=
 volt meter in the circuit and watch the voltage for a drop...but you're so=
 busy trying to get out of traffic and notget plowed it's difficult to reme=
mber to watch the meter....=C2=A0=C2=A0 and yes this has been going on for =
over a year...intermittently and even after all the changes... it persists=
=C2=A0john=C2=A0
----- Original Message -----From: <[email-masked]>To: shop-talk <shop-ta=
[email-masked]>Cc: john niolon <[email-masked]>Sent: 05/19/2026 4:40:59=
 PMSubject: Re: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problemJohn, I wo=
uld have bet money it was a hidden wire short somewhere. It had all the Hal=
lmarks.=C2=A0 But you stated the wiring harness what completely replaced. S=
o, that rules that out...=20

Or does it?=20

My question, when you said 'headlight to taillight', that is complete.=C2=
=A0 BUT was there ANY wire that was in that car that wasn't part of the har=
ness?=20

I'm still betting on a wire short, but I guess it could be a short inside a=
 component.=C2=A0 Maybe inside the alt or other part?=20

BTW, I'm assuming it was doing this, before you did all these mods, right?=
=20

Moose=20

From: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"john niolon" <[email-masked]>=20
To: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"shop-talk" <[email-masked]>=20
Date: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A005/19/2026 13:16=20
Subject: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[Shop-talk] strange automotive electric=
al problem=20
Sent by: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"Shop-talk" <[email-masked]=
am.net>=20

=C2=A0

When it is running right, it=E2=80=99s scary strong.=C2=A0 Cruises nicely.

=C2=A0

Immediately and run perfectly till the next time it does it.=C2=A0 Might be=
 15 minutes=E2=80=A615 days or

three month later. Might do it 4 times in a row or once and not repeat.=C2=
=A0 Speed does not effect it.=20

Engine temp does not effect it=E2=80=A6 =C2=A0does it hot or cold. With the=
 a/c on or off.=C2=A0 It does not have a

Cutoff switch in the system.=C2=A0 Longest period with no failure is 7 mont=
hs=E2=80=A6 shortest was 4 minutes.

=C2=A0

raying as it should

So we are assuming electrical of some sort.=C2=A0 So far we=E2=80=99ve done=
 the following=E2=80=A6

=C2=A0

 (2 gauge I think)

Replaced all ground cables frame/block=E2=80=A6 frame/chassis with 2/0 weld=
ing cable with new crimped

replaced coil and distributor with MSD system with spark control box, separ=
ate coil and distributor=E2=80=A6

it was taken from running vehicle.=C2=A0 It's doing the same =C2=A0thing as=
 the original ignition system.

Everything else electrical works without a glitch=E2=80=A6 =C2=A0we are at =
the wall here=E2=80=A6

=C2=A0

Ideas, suggestions, calculated wild a** guesses welcomed=E2=80=A6 =C2=A0=20

thanks

=C2=A0

john

=C2=A0_______________________________________________

[email-masked]

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<html><head></head><body><div class=3D"ydpba66d5b0yahoo-style-wrap" style=
=3D"font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div><div dir=
=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Check the easy stuff first.&nbsp; If you sus=
pect the ignition, swap in a new rotor.&nbsp; Easy cheap and if it doesn't =
fix it, you can rule that out and move on.</div><div><br></div><div class=
=3D"ydpba66d5b0signature"><div style=3D"color: black; font-style: normal; f=
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weight: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 12pt; line-height: normal;=
 font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><div><font size=3D"4">Dave <br=
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olor:black;"><br></span></div><br></div></div></div></div>
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                        On Wednesday, May 20, 2026 at 07:46:47 PM CDT, Al F=
uller &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
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                </div><div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica=
, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;border-left: 1px solid #cc=
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                <div><br></div><div><br></div>
                <div><div id=3D"ydp628a187eyiv3660929159"><div><div><div>It=
 sounds like you are/have ruled out fuel starvation, indicating it has fuel=
 as far as the carburetor (and presumably the cylinders), and you appear to=
 be describing a sudden 'cut off' as opposed to the less sudden dieing out =
do to temporary lack of fuel. Yes?</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>=
If so, it seems like it would need to be a fault in the ignition system tha=
t allows spark, then changes state to deny spark, then returns to the prior=
 or similar state where spark gets called for, produced and delivered.</div=
><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>________________<br clear=3D"none">Sent=
 from my phone <br clear=3D"none">Best Regards,<br clear=3D"none">Al Fuller=
</div></div><br clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"ydp628a187eyiv3660929159gmail_=
quote ydp628a187eyiv3660929159gmail_quote_container"><div id=3D"ydp628a187e=
yiv3660929159yqt59909" class=3D"ydp628a187eyiv3660929159yqt6206001721"><div=
 dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"ydp628a187eyiv3660929159gmail_attr">On Tue, May 19, 2=
026, 10:52=E2=80=AFPM john niolon &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:jnio=
[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wro=
te:<br clear=3D"none"></div><blockquote style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-l=
eft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;" class=3D"ydp628a187eyiv3660929159gmai=
l_quote">

<div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">Hey Moose, thanks for the reply.&nbsp; Harness=
 was done by a pro that does it for a living...He is meticulous.&nbsp; He c=
ompletely strips everything</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">from the car then starts from a blank slate...=
 Everything new.. Nice looms and grommets at every hole and hides as much o=
f it as he can.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">Every component was new and oem or better... n=
o import crap.&nbsp;&nbsp; I'm of the same opinion as you afa a short to gr=
ound but it's gotta be hidden inside something</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">that we can't see.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">Someone on my ford forum suggested putting a v=
olt meter in the circuit and watch the voltage for a drop...but you're so b=
usy trying to get out of traffic and not</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">get plowed it's difficult to remember to watch=
 the meter....&nbsp;&nbsp; and yes this has been going on for over a year..=
.intermittently and even after all the changes... it persists</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">john</font></div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<blockquote style=3D"PADDING-BOTTOM:0px;PADDING-TOP:0px;PADDING-LEFT:0.5em;=
BORDER-LEFT:#c7e5ff 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.5em;PADDING-RIGHT:0px;">
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Segoe UI';COLOR:#000000;"><b>----=
- Original Message -----</b></div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Segoe UI';COLOR:#000000;"><b>From=
:</b> &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofoll=
ow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Segoe UI';COLOR:#000000;"><b>To:<=
/b> shop-talk &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Segoe UI';COLOR:#000000;"><b>Cc:<=
/b> john niolon &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=
=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Segoe UI';COLOR:#000000;"><b>Sent=
:</b> 05/19/2026 4:40:59 PM</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Segoe UI';COLOR:#000000;"><b>Subj=
ect:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem</div>
<hr style=3D"BORDER-TOP:medium none;min-height:1px;BORDER-RIGHT:medium none=
;BORDER-BOTTOM:medium none;COLOR:#ccc;BORDER-LEFT:medium none;BACKGROUND-CO=
LOR:#ccc;">

<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:'Segoe UI';FONT-WEIGHT:normal;COLO=
R:#000000;FONT-STYLE:normal;"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:san=
s-serif;">John, I would have bet money it was a hidden wire short somewhere=
. It had all the Hallmarks.&nbsp; But you stated the wiring harness what co=
mpletely replaced. So, that rules that out...</span> <br clear=3D"none"><br=
 clear=3D"none"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;">Or d=
oes it?</span> <br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><span style=3D"FONT-SI=
ZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;">My question, when you said 'headlight to t=
aillight', that is complete.&nbsp; BUT was there ANY wire that was in that =
car that wasn't part of the harness?</span> <br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D=
"none"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;">Something in =
dash, neutral switch, tranny indicator, or some other component?</span> <br=
 clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMIL=
Y:sans-serif;">I'm still betting on a wire short, but I guess it could be a=
 short inside a component.&nbsp; Maybe inside the alt or other part?</span>=
 <br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-F=
AMILY:sans-serif;">BTW, I'm assuming it was doing this, before you did all =
these mods, right? </span><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><span style=
=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;">Anyway, that is a stumper.</spa=
n> <br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT=
-FAMILY:sans-serif;">Moose</span> <br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><br=
 clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:9pt;FONT-FAMILY=
:sans-serif;COLOR:#5f5f5f;">From: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span s=
tyle=3D"FONT-SIZE:9pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;">"john niolon" &lt;<a shape=
=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank=
">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> <br clear=3D"none"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZ=
E:9pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;COLOR:#5f5f5f;">To: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp=
;</span><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:9pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;">"shop-talk" &=
lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofoll=
ow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> <br clear=3D"=
none"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:9pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;COLOR:#5f5f5f;">D=
ate: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:9pt;FONT-FA=
MILY:sans-serif;">05/19/2026 13:16</span> <br clear=3D"none"><span style=3D=
"FONT-SIZE:9pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;COLOR:#5f5f5f;">Subject: &nbsp; &nbsp=
; &nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:9pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;"=
>[Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem</span> <br clear=3D"none=
"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:9pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;COLOR:#5f5f5f;">Sent =
by: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:9pt;FONT-FAM=
ILY:sans-serif;">"Shop-talk" &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:shop-talk=
[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">shop-talk-bounc=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> <br clear=3D"none">
<hr noshade=3D"">
<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px;"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12p=
t;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri;">Strange automotive electrical problem we need help =
with=E2=80=A6</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px;"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12p=
t;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri;">55 chevy automatic with 383 stroker motor, carbed, =
p/s,p/b,a/c</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px;"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12p=
t;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri;">Dakota digital dash system including neutral safety=
 switch and</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px;"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12p=
t;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri;">Transmission gear indicator</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px;"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12p=
t;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri;"></span>&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px;"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12p=
t;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri;">When it is running right, it=E2=80=99s scary strong=
.&nbsp; Cruises nicely.</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px;"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12p=
t;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri;"></span>&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px;"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12p=
t;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri;">Problem=E2=80=A6 when driving the engine dies like =
you cut it off=E2=80=A6BUT will start back up</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px;"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12p=
t;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri;">Immediately and run perfectly till the next time it=
 does it.&nbsp; Might be 15 minutes=E2=80=A615 days or</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px;"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12p=
t;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri;">three month later. Might do it 4 times in a row or =
once and not repeat.&nbsp; Speed does not effect it. </span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px;"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12p=
t;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri;">Engine temp does not effect it=E2=80=A6 &nbsp;does =
it hot or cold. With the a/c on or off.&nbsp; It does not have a</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px;"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12p=
t;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri;">Cutoff switch in the system.&nbsp; Longest period w=
ith no failure is 7 months=E2=80=A6 shortest was 4 minutes.</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px;"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12p=
t;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri;"></span>&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px;"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12p=
t;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri;">When it stalls we checked fuel by looking in the bo=
wl of carb and gas is spraying as it should</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px;"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12p=
t;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri;">So we are assuming electrical of some sort.&nbsp; S=
o far we=E2=80=99ve done the following=E2=80=A6</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px;"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12p=
t;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri;"></span>&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px;"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12p=
t;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri;">Replaced battery with new red top optima battery an=
d all new battery cables (2 gauge I think)</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px;"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12p=
t;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri;">Replaced all ground cables frame/block=E2=80=A6 fra=
me/chassis with 2/0 welding cable with new crimped</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px;"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12p=
t;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri;">connectors and clean, bare metal attachment points<=
/span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px;"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12p=
t;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri;">replaced ignition switch (twice=E2=80=A6 first with=
 import then with oem switch)</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px;"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12p=
t;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri;">replaced coil and distributor with MSD system with =
spark control box, separate coil and distributor=E2=80=A6</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px;"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12p=
t;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri;">it was taken from running vehicle.&nbsp; It's doing=
 the same &nbsp;thing as the original ignition system.</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px;"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12p=
t;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri;">Replaced complete wiring harness=E2=80=A6headlight =
to taillight with new Autowire harness=E2=80=A6including all</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px;"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12p=
t;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri;">Switches and relays. Professionally done.</span></p=
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px;"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12p=
t;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri;">Everything else electrical works without a glitch=
=E2=80=A6 &nbsp;we are at the wall here=E2=80=A6</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px;"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12p=
t;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri;"></span>&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px;"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12p=
t;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri;">Ideas, suggestions, calculated wild a** guesses wel=
comed=E2=80=A6 &nbsp; </span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px;"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12p=
t;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri;">thanks</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px;"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12p=
t;"></span>&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px;"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12p=
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From: Al Fuller <[email-masked]>
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Ok. If it shuts down like the ignition was cut off, I'll go out on a limb
and say ... The ignition was cut off somewhere. I'd work backwards from the
cylinders, checking for single failure points. (For instance, a single bad
spark plug or secondary wire won't shut down the whole engine, but an
intermittent ground at a distributor or spark pack might just.)

Btw, is this a points engine or electronic?

________________
Sent from my phone
Best Regards,
Al Fuller

On Wed, May 20, 2026, 7:40=E2=80=AFPM john niolon <[email-masked]> wrote:

> yes  Al...  it shuts down like you turned off the ignition... now a
> starving type dying
>
> as for moving the shift lever to neutral... that is the first thing done
> to keep momentum to get it off the road...  As far as going into park... =
it
> has never failed while sitting still or parked, it's always when moving.
>
> Jim... this is a custom street rod and other than maybe the spark control
> box not sensing enough voltage there are no other sensors.
>
> Jeff,  both us and the wiring guru have tried to check every connection
> that might be suspect and found nothing, but we're not ruling out a pin
> slipping back inside a connector like David suggested...
> I've had that happen in my truck... it was the devil to find.   something
> to check...
>
> Thanks all for the advice and suggestions guys...   I wish the dang thing
> would just fail completely and stay that way... maybe even make some smok=
e
> (just a little)  At least we'd have a failure point instead of
> a gremlin like this.
>
>
> *From:* Al Fuller <[email-masked]>
> *To:* john niolon <[email-masked]>
> *Cc:* <[email-masked]>, shop-talk <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* 05/20/2026 7:39:57 PM
> prior or similar state where spark gets called for, produced and delivere=
d.
>
> ________________
> Sent from my phone
> Best Regards,
> Al Fuller
>
> On Tue, May 19, 2026, 10:52=E2=80=AFPM john niolon <[email-masked]> wrot=
e:
>> from the car then starts from a blank slate... Everything new.. Nice
>> looms and grommets at every hole and hides as much of it as he can.
>>
>> Every component was new and oem or better... no import crap.   I'm of th=
e
>> same opinion as you afa a short to ground but it's gotta be hidden insid=
e
>> something
>> that we can't see.
>>
>> Someone on my ford forum suggested putting a volt meter in the circuit
>> and watch the voltage for a drop...but you're so busy trying to get out =
of
>> this has been going on for over a year...intermittently and even after a=
ll
>> John, I would have bet money it was a hidden wire short somewhere. It ha=
d
>> BUT was there ANY wire that was in that car that wasn't part of the harn=
ess?
>> I'm still betting on a wire short, but I guess it could be a short insid=
e
>> BTW, I'm assuming it was doing this, before you did all these mods,
>> right?
>>
=A6BUT will start
>> back up
>>
>> Immediately and run perfectly till the next time it does it.  Might be 1=
5
>> Engine temp does not effect it=E2=80=A6  does it hot or cold. With the a=
/c on or
=E2=80=A6
>> So we are assuming electrical of some sort.  So far we=E2=80=99ve done t=
he
>> Replaced all ground cables frame/block=E2=80=A6 frame/chassis with 2/0 w=
elding
>> replaced ignition switch (twice=E2=80=A6 first with import then with oem=
 switch)
>> Replaced complete wiring harness=E2=80=A6headlight to taillight with new=
 Autowire
>> Everything else electrical works without a glitch=E2=80=A6  we are at th=
e wall
>> Ideas, suggestions, calculated wild a** guesses welcomed=E2=80=A6

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<div dir=3D"auto"><div>Ok. If it shuts down like the ignition was cut off, =
I&#39;ll go out on a limb and say ... The ignition was cut off somewhere. I=
&#39;d work backwards from the cylinders, checking for single failure point=
s. (For instance, a single bad spark plug or secondary wire won&#39;t shut =
down the whole engine, but an intermittent ground at a distributor or spark=
 pack might just.)</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Btw, =
is this a points engine or electronic?</div><div><br></div><div data-smartm=
ail=3D"gmail_signature">________________<br>Sent from my phone <br>Best Reg=
ards,<br>Al Fuller</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_con=
tainer"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, May 20, 2026, 7:40=E2=
=80=AFPM john niolon &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:=
0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">yes =C2=A0Al...=C2=A0 it shuts down like you t=
urned off the ignition... now a starving type dying</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">as for moving the shift lever to neutral... th=
at is the first thing done to keep momentum to get it off the road...=C2=A0=
 As far as going into park... it has never failed while sitting still or pa=
rked, it&#39;s always when moving.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">Jim... this is a custom street rod and other t=
han maybe the spark control box not sensing enough voltage there are no oth=
er sensors.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">Jeff,=C2=A0 both us and the wiring guru have t=
ried to check every connection that might be suspect and found nothing, but=
 we&#39;re not ruling out a pin slipping back inside a connector like David=
 suggested...</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">I&#39;ve had that happen in my truck... it was=
 the devil to find.=C2=A0=C2=A0 something to check...</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">Thanks all for the advice and suggestions guys=
...=C2=A0=C2=A0 I wish the dang thing would just fail completely and stay t=
hat way... maybe even make some smoke (just a little)=C2=A0 At least we&#39=
;d have a failure point instead of</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">a gremlin like this.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<blockquote style=3D"PADDING-BOTTOM:0px;PADDING-TOP:0px;PADDING-LEFT:0.5em;=
BORDER-LEFT:#c7e5ff 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.5em;PADDING-RIGHT:0px">
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:&#39;Segoe UI&#39;;COLOR:#000000">=
<b>----- Original Message -----</b></div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:&#39;Segoe UI&#39;;COLOR:#000000">=
<b>From:</b> Al Fuller &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:&#39;Segoe UI&#39;;COLOR:#000000">=
<b>To:</b> john niolon &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_bl=
ank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:&#39;Segoe UI&#39;;COLOR:#000000">=
<b>Cc:</b> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=
=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;, shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">shop-talk@au=
tox.team.net</a>&gt;</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:&#39;Segoe UI&#39;;COLOR:#000000">=
<b>Sent:</b> 05/20/2026 7:39:57 PM</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:&#39;Segoe UI&#39;;COLOR:#000000">=
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem</div>
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mal;COLOR:#000000;FONT-STYLE:normal">
<div>
<div>It sounds like you are/have ruled out fuel starvation, indicating it h=
as fuel as far as the carburetor (and presumably the cylinders), and you ap=
pear to be describing a sudden &#39;cut off&#39; as opposed to the less sud=
den dieing out do to temporary lack of fuel. Yes?</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>If so, it seems like it would need to be a fault in the ignition syste=
m that allows spark, then changes state to deny spark, then returns to the =
prior or similar state where spark gets called for, produced and delivered.=
</div>
<div><br></div>
<div data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature">________________<br>Sent from my ph=
one <br>Best Regards,<br>Al Fuller</div></div><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div class=3D"gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, May 19, 2026, 10:52=E2=80=AFP=
M john niolon &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=
=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT:1ex;BORDER-LEFT:#cc=
c 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex">
<div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">Hey Moose, thanks for the reply.=C2=A0 Harness=
 was done by a pro that does it for a living...He is meticulous.=C2=A0 He c=
ompletely strips everything</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">from the car then starts from a blank slate...=
 Everything new.. Nice looms and grommets at every hole and hides as much o=
f it as he can.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">Every component was new and oem or better... n=
o import crap.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I&#39;m of the same opinion as you afa a short t=
o ground but it&#39;s gotta be hidden inside something</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">that we can&#39;t see.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">Someone on my ford forum suggested putting a v=
olt meter in the circuit and watch the voltage for a drop...but you&#39;re =
so busy trying to get out of traffic and not</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">get plowed it&#39;s difficult to remember to w=
atch the meter....=C2=A0=C2=A0 and yes this has been going on for over a ye=
ar...intermittently and even after all the changes... it persists</font></d=
iv>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">john</font></div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<blockquote style=3D"PADDING-BOTTOM:0px;PADDING-TOP:0px;PADDING-LEFT:0.5em;=
BORDER-LEFT:#c7e5ff 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.5em;PADDING-RIGHT:0px">
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:&#39;Segoe UI&#39;;COLOR:#000000">=
<b>----- Original Message -----</b></div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:&#39;Segoe UI&#39;;COLOR:#000000">=
<b>From:</b> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer nor=
eferrer" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:&#39;Segoe UI&#39;;COLOR:#000000">=
<b>To:</b> shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D=
"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<=
/div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:&#39;Segoe UI&#39;;COLOR:#000000">=
<b>Cc:</b> john niolon &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"norefe=
rrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:&#39;Segoe UI&#39;;COLOR:#000000">=
<b>Sent:</b> 05/19/2026 4:40:59 PM</div>
<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:&#39;Segoe UI&#39;;COLOR:#000000">=
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem</div>
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DER-BOTTOM:medium none;COLOR:#ccc;BORDER-LEFT:medium none;BACKGROUND-COLOR:=
#ccc">

tting on a wire short, but I guess it could be a short inside a component.=
=C2=A0 Maybe inside the alt or other part?</span> <br><br><span style=3D"FO=
NT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif">BTW, I&#39;m assuming it was doing thi=
s, before you did all these mods, right? </span><br><br><span style=3D"FONT=
-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif">Anyway, that is a stumper.</span> <br><b=
r><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif">Moose</span> <br><b=
r><br><br><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:9pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;COLOR:#5f5f5f=
">From: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0</span><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:9pt;FONT=
-FAMILY:sans-serif">&quot;john niolon&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jniolon@a=
tt.net" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>=
&gt;</span> <br><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:9pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;COLOR:#=
5f5f5f">To: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0</span><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:9pt;=
FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif">&quot;shop-talk&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shop-ta=
[email-masked]" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">shop-tal=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> <br><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:9pt;FONT-FAMIL=
Y:sans-serif;COLOR:#5f5f5f">Date: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0</span><span s=
tyle=3D"FONT-SIZE:9pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif">05/19/2026 13:16</span> <br><=
span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:9pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;COLOR:#5f5f5f">Subject: =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0</span><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:9pt;FONT-FAMILY:=
sans-serif">[Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem</span> <br><s=
pan style=3D"FONT-SIZE:9pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;COLOR:#5f5f5f">Sent by: =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0</span><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:9pt;FONT-FAMILY:=
sans-serif">&quot;Shop-talk&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk-bounces@a=
utox.team.net" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">shop-talk-bo=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span> <br>
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<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">Strange automotive electrical problem we need help wi=
th=E2=80=A6</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">55 chevy automatic with 383 stroker motor, carbed, p/=
s,p/b,a/c</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">Dakota digital dash system including neutral safety s=
witch and</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">Transmission gear indicator</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri"></span>=C2=A0</p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">When it is running right, it=E2=80=99s scary strong.=
=C2=A0 Cruises nicely.</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri"></span>=C2=A0</p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">Problem=E2=80=A6 when driving the engine dies like yo=
u cut it off=E2=80=A6BUT will start back up</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">Immediately and run perfectly till the next time it d=
oes it.=C2=A0 Might be 15 minutes=E2=80=A615 days or</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">three month later. Might do it 4 times in a row or on=
ce and not repeat.=C2=A0 Speed does not effect it. </span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">Engine temp does not effect it=E2=80=A6 =C2=A0does it=
 hot or cold. With the a/c on or off.=C2=A0 It does not have a</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">Cutoff switch in the system.=C2=A0 Longest period wit=
h no failure is 7 months=E2=80=A6 shortest was 4 minutes.</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri"></span>=C2=A0</p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">When it stalls we checked fuel by looking in the bowl=
 of carb and gas is spraying as it should</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">So we are assuming electrical of some sort.=C2=A0 So =
far we=E2=80=99ve done the following=E2=80=A6</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri"></span>=C2=A0</p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">Replaced battery with new red top optima battery and =
all new battery cables (2 gauge I think)</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">Replaced all ground cables frame/block=E2=80=A6 frame=
/chassis with 2/0 welding cable with new crimped</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">connectors and clean, bare metal attachment points</s=
pan></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">replaced ignition switch (twice=E2=80=A6 first with i=
mport then with oem switch)</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">replaced coil and distributor with MSD system with sp=
ark control box, separate coil and distributor=E2=80=A6</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">it was taken from running vehicle.=C2=A0 It&#39;s doi=
ng the same =C2=A0thing as the original ignition system.</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">Replaced complete wiring harness=E2=80=A6headlight to=
 taillight with new Autowire harness=E2=80=A6including all</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">Switches and relays. Professionally done.</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">Everything else electrical works without a glitch=E2=
=80=A6 =C2=A0we are at the wall here=E2=80=A6</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri"></span>=C2=A0</p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">Ideas, suggestions, calculated wild a** guesses welco=
med=E2=80=A6 =C2=A0 </span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri">thanks</span></p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
"></span>=C2=A0</p>
<p style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN-TOP:0px"><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:12pt=
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