Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] AGM battery: OK to lay it on its side?

From: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 11 May 2026 10:59:00 +0000 (UTC)

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I was a principal in a small company that designed and built electric power=
ed transportation assisting devices for heavy medical devices and patient t=
ransport and we used AGM batteries a lot.=C2=A0 In many applications they w=
ere oriented on their sides.=C2=A0 No issues associated with that orientati=
on.=C2=A0=C2=A0
Dave=20

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    On Monday, May 11, 2026 at 02:49:50 AM CDT, Philip Ethier <pethier7@gma=
il.com> wrote:  =20

 I could swear that=C2=A0I used=C2=A0to run an AGM battery meant for a Hond=
a Gold Wing, laid down flat in my Lotus Elise. That car has gone away.
I bought a Birkin and there is a larger automotive AGM battery lying on its=
 side.=C2=A0 This battery won't fit in there standing up with the terminals=
 on top.=C2=A0 Is it OK to continue=C2=A0to use the mounting done by a prev=
ious owner?
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Phil Ethier, West Side, Saint Paul Minnesota, USA2006 Gulf Stream Conquest =
Super C, 8.1, white2011 Cayman 2.9 PDK, white2021 Ford F-150 3500cc twin tu=
rbo, white1991 Caterham 1700 Super Sprint, not white2003(?) Birkin, Green.
www.mnautox.com

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y medical devices and patient transport and we used AGM batteries a lot.&nb=
sp; In many applications they were oriented on their sides.&nbsp; No issues=
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0gmail_default">I could swear that&nbsp;I used&nbsp;to run an AGM battery m=
eant for a Honda Gold Wing, laid down flat in my Lotus Elise. That car has =
gone away.</div><div style=3D"font-family:monospace;" class=3D"ydp97552156y=
iv6398281050gmail_default"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:monospace;" =
class=3D"ydp97552156yiv6398281050gmail_default">I bought a Birkin and there=
 is a larger automotive AGM battery lying on its side.&nbsp; This battery w=
on't fit in there standing up with the terminals on top.&nbsp; Is it OK to =
continue&nbsp;to use the mounting done by a previous owner?</div></div><div=
><br></div><span class=3D"ydp97552156yiv6398281050gmail_signature_prefix">-=
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Phil Ethier, West Side, Saint Paul Minnesota, USA</font></span></div><div><=
span style=3D"font-family:monospace;color:rgb(0,0,0);">2006 Gulf Stream Con=
quest Super C, 8.1, white</span></div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);=
background-color:rgb(255,255,255);"><font face=3D"monospace" style=3D"backg=
round-color: inherit;">2011 Cayman 2.9 PDK, white</font></span></div><div><=
span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255);"><font fa=
ce=3D"monospace" style=3D"background-color: inherit;">2021 Ford F-150 3500c=
c twin turbo, white</font></span></div><div><span style=3D"background-color=
:rgb(255,255,255);"><font face=3D"monospace" style=3D"background-color: inh=
erit;">1991 Caterham 1700 Super Sprint, not white</font></span></div><div><=
span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255);"><font face=3D"monospace" =
style=3D"background-color: inherit;"><span style=3D"font-family:monospace;"=
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From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 11 May 2026 07:50:34 -0500

> On May 11, 2026, at 02:21, Philip Ethier <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> 
> I could swear that I used to run an AGM battery meant for a Honda Gold Wing, laid down flat in my Lotus Elise. That car has gone away.
> 
> I bought a Birkin and there is a larger automotive AGM battery lying on its side.  This battery won't fit in there standing up with the terminals on top.  Is it OK to continue to use the mounting done by a previous owner?
> 

Yes.  Agm batteries can be mounted in any orientation.  Most say not upside down, but I am pretty sure that is to avoid dropping it and shorting the terminals. 

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Date: Mon, 11 May 2026 15:26:09 +0000 (UTC)

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Or, just making the connections would be really awkward.
Dave=20

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> I could swear that I used to run an AGM battery meant for a Honda Gold Wi=
ng, laid down flat in my Lotus Elise. That car has gone away.
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> I bought a Birkin and there is a larger automotive AGM battery lying on i=
ts side.=C2=A0 This battery won't fit in there standing up with the termina=
ls on top.=C2=A0 Is it OK to continue to use the mounting done by a previou=
s owner?

Yes.=C2=A0 Agm batteries can be mounted in any orientation.=C2=A0 Most say =
not upside down, but I am pretty sure that is to avoid dropping it and shor=
ting the terminals.=20

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<div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; On May 11, 2026, at 02:21, Philip Ethier &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">pethier7@=
gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; <br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr">&gt; =EF=BB=BF<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; I could swear that I=
 used to run an AGM battery meant for a Honda Gold Wing, laid down flat in =
my Lotus Elise. That car has gone away.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; <br>=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; I bought a Birkin and there is a larger automot=
ive AGM battery lying on its side.&nbsp; This battery won't fit in there st=
anding up with the terminals on top.&nbsp; Is it OK to continue to use the =
mounting done by a previous owner?<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; <br></div=
><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Yes.&nbsp; Agm batteries can b=
e mounted in any orientation.&nbsp; Most say not upside down, but I am pret=
ty sure that is to avoid dropping it and shorting the terminals. <br></div>=
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From: Philip Ethier <[email-masked]>
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On Mon, May 11, 2026 at 10:26=E2=80=AFAM DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]> =
wrote:

> Dave

It turns out that as the car came to me this battery orientation is the
only way the current cables will reach.

Thanks to all who helped.

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[email-masked]> wrote:

> > I could swear that I used to run an AGM battery meant for a Honda Gold
> Wing, laid down flat in my Lotus Elise. That car has gone away.
> >
> > I bought a Birkin and there is a larger automotive AGM battery lying on
> its side.  This battery won't fit in there standing up with the terminals
> on top.  Is it OK to continue to use the mounting done by a previous owne=
r?
> >
>
> Yes.  Agm batteries can be mounted in any orientation.  Most say not
> upside down, but I am pretty sure that is to avoid dropping it and shorti=
ng
> the terminals.
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Phil Ethier, West Side, Saint Paul Minnesota, USA
2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, white
2011 Cayman 2.9 PDK, white
2021 Ford F-150 3500cc twin turbo, white
1991 Caterham 1700 Super Sprint, not white
2003(?) BIrkin, green.
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te_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, May 11, 2026 at=
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[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
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dding-left:1ex"><div><div style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;f=
ont-size:16px"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Or, just making the connections would =
be really awkward.</div><div><br></div><div><div style=3D"color:black;font-=
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mail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace">It turns out that as the car =
came to me this battery orientation=C2=A0is the only way the current cables=
 will reach.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospa=
ce"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace">=
Thanks to all who helped.</div><br></div><div>=C2=A0<span style=3D"color:rg=
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gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; <br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr">&gt; =EF=BB=BF<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; I could swear that I=
 used to run an AGM battery meant for a Honda Gold Wing, laid down flat in =
my Lotus Elise. That car has gone away.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; <br>=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; I bought a Birkin and there is a larger automot=
ive AGM battery lying on its side.=C2=A0 This battery won&#39;t fit in ther=
e standing up with the terminals on top.=C2=A0 Is it OK to continue to use =
the mounting done by a previous owner?<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">&gt; <br><=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Yes.=C2=A0 Agm batteries c=
an be mounted in any orientation.=C2=A0 Most say not upside down, but I am =
pretty sure that is to avoid dropping it and shorting the terminals. <br></=
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