From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 3 22:47:15 2026 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B68FCA03AA for ; Sun, 3 May 2026 22:45:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from CY3PR05CU001.outbound.protection.outlook.com (unknown [52.103.7.86]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A639A0CBC; Sun, 3 May 2026 13:00:07 -0600 (MDT) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; s=arcselector10001; d=microsoft.com; cv=none; b=aetjN0XK/S0azvLl+mYGqplkiz2x6MiTw2drULqdybRDGORgShNoiwsfWLB8IxsIDLX2O2QKrDuCvJg0ebORLt0eJBDe/VK1eOv1rI2QBvVYLLs4ZCw7Knowe19R40yfgWDYXoMTYOVCrkQlbDpkX58uDLGEwx23YYfL8ebZoXwxCJ0n2EnlgKVu7oAbBUS+lAdxuUwO/Cg71dEgh/wNXYZsL7du1oxzk5X9MujrjtDtqXVjkuJL9+clE6TKZIyZC6Bvl6an30IkR5SwJiZjTl+VGNdgEtq54yv2L2jMMDILGgdlFGidh0S4ThxC/XjhLk9t3Hh65iykk5r15yb51w== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=microsoft.com; s=arcselector10001; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-ChunkCount:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-0:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-1; bh=Uw43l9XuJ8pbui3+tBBiUNFj1PNlo5GEZ7kR1sy2Ux8=; b=YXra/dQhQxep1xxug1adbrV920pOIplaTnfw//w9lhBuk0xJ8L9dXpKY2TmbghuFJdOt0O+unveGBmaGPL36IbZXIdICfxgFYjyNdeod9G6K+NgjFzoXetYHmtKLU13Mfu1OYPEsKimmDCQEQEVAZpDLLK+Pz4EVXOr5002L1sNobGyzNFhy5WthyxtqA68yIKnclaGS7IG5Vj8chivN8TDPTU0L5H9AsNOBqkhUhkMGWkczOLUDSCoW9HlCLNNQG96Z79G3ftHFIie0Pt5M80Rf+9Dj+tgU07ELYNVsPc/4s7fGc7YcqP6eosPf2xV3zm5qWbUBZYJF4DMiVg1FkA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.microsoft.com 1; spf=none; dmarc=none; s=selector1; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=Uw43l9XuJ8pbui3+tBBiUNFj1PNlo5GEZ7kR1sy2Ux8=; b=ExN2R66uuxLF4VjppyU5mK/3B//CEV5cTclJYJzTQUFQFW2tGc9sG3/KnW4zYLjh5/9fYOQQVwdG4DlP7kjLn1UIT/+o/uTPFrmHoscE4ygLljI1UmEThoUtRlkeSTSHnkyCexzpxIZw+4wgB/BSBK6fLt5oDEjXCH1Y9VPkPXP48xsvHFpmI5JCRht0fC6P5vhOfrYc4wSaXCXmxaPr8sr/SmNYRaMMpPcFgy0cVTMmQu3cmrngF2FPydgiADQR6pJuDGVLKAxI/YDw37a56MRzSf6nAAgW612F3LvI4K67HIm8B0MRk/tW1bZAUvjBhe7DDyELnxIRf2GKnjVcAw== Received: from MN2PR14MB2862.namprd14.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:208:12c::25) by MN2PR14MB3277.namprd14.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:208:1b2::9) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.9870.25; Sun, 3 May 2026 18:59:45 +0000 Received: from MN2PR14MB2862.namprd14.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::e030:abc9:ad8e:fd81]) by MN2PR14MB2862.namprd14.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::e030:abc9:ad8e:fd81%6]) with mapi id 15.20.9870.023; Sun, 3 May 2026 18:59:44 +0000 From: "Tim ." 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It was a cancellation confirmation note f= rom the list serve. I wanted to see if somehow someone managed to get me cancelled..... Tim --_000_MN2PR14MB2862B3CC49AA04C8293FABC4B4302MN2PR14MB2862namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I got an odd email the other day. It was a cancellation confirmation note f= rom the list serve. 

I wanted to see if somehow someone managed to get me cancelled.....

Tim
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Tim, it's showing up fine here. Came via the shop-talk= and Datsun Roadster lists.

RD

On Sun, May 3, 2026 at 9:45=E2=80=AFPM Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com> wrote:
I got an odd email the other day. It was a cancellation confirmation note f= rom the list serve.=C2=A0

I wanted to see if somehow someone managed to get me cancelled.....

Tim
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--00000000000076f2f40650f50c54-- --===============8496557577381101091== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============8496557577381101091==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 4 18:51:28 2026 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 247A8A1427 for ; Mon, 4 May 2026 18:51:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (unknown [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B88DBA0BEC for ; Mon, 4 May 2026 02:11:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [50.198.190.18] (bradakis [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 69DA273B5C0 for ; Mon, 04 May 2026 02:11:09 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 4 May 2026 02:11:09 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: Content-Language: en-US From: Mark Bradakis Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] testing testing Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 5/3/26 12:59 PM, Tim . wrote: > I got an odd email the other day. It was a cancellation confirmation > note from the list serve. > > I wanted to see if somehow someone managed to get me cancelled..... > > Tim No, you have not been unsubscribed. It happens from time to time, not very frequently, that random addresses will get that message sent to them. To be honest, I am not sure if the problem is with mailman doing it, or if random outside people get access to the unsubscribe links in the footer of messages, and send malicious email just for fun. It seems more likely that it is an artifact of the mailman system as currently installed, kept running by being pieced together with bubble gum and bailing wire, or more currently, nylon tie wraps. Nobody uses bailing wire anymore, though I do have maybe 60 - 70 feet of it on a stick out in the garage. So don't worry, nothing has happened to your subscription, you are still on whatever lists you subscribed to. mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 4 19:31:55 2026 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 586D6A147D for ; Mon, 4 May 2026 19:31:55 -0600 (MDT) Authentication-Results: autox.team.net; Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from chumdrop.sackheads.org (unknown [159.203.76.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BAE2A0C3C for ; Mon, 4 May 2026 06:46:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chumdrop.sackheads.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6771726AD88 for ; Mon, 4 May 2026 08:46:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chumdrop.sackheads.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (chumdrop.sackheads.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavis, port 10024) with ESMTP id QtNgzqVytIBm for ; Mon, 4 May 2026 08:46:09 -0400 (EDT) s=2022-US; t=1777898769; bh=plL1fJibINqGCYLKj371N2fkehVP7gNQZpy8gPbHM8c=; h=Date:Subject:To:References:From:In-Reply-To:From; b=WNiHjpEqsqyoXRotJ391ZEiUui2hCbJd0SRpSqGwN2Mp+6lQQwgTz3qa/7LutJdGb wZEr7/0a8y43wnPW7oemXl+vZUhROozDBJxufSviUxU7sQ/o6c883HhqQmgpMLzhaA txHmxC8CFwZzuOmGbyjjamMVs/VxDO9o/ot0bdHvwWVkcHMokMsEWVW2ZMLy+Kk6/r dk3EqvHUKr+F1GwNC/4QIuDscZ9fKvBuaKQ8ted+rHJPRb+Dhz5p35tMA8365JaiTh vmanLrls9QWU2KNC12Oi2rgM9GJIY5dQx+5a/7G1jPz1dlIfGXbkJOFg3VgPBKB00E uySxcMgjXsH0Q== Received: from [10.0.1.4] (unknown [46.110.132.149]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jimmie@sackheads.org) by chumdrop.sackheads.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0CCAA26ACC2 for ; Mon, 4 May 2026 08:46:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 4 May 2026 08:46:07 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: Content-Language: en-US From: Jimmie Mayfield Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] testing testing Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============5395662733324743899== boundary="------------0RCJTvXX0qE6KcxxDMqM61Ao" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------0RCJTvXX0qE6KcxxDMqM61Ao Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Looks like you're still live. I get a few fake cancellation confirmations per day.  My non-existent iCloud account gets cancelled at least twice a week. J On 5/3/26 14:59, Tim . wrote: > I got an odd email the other day. It was a cancellation confirmation > note from the list serve. > > I wanted to see if somehow someone managed to get me cancelled..... > > Tim > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mayfield+shoptalk@sackheads.org > --------------0RCJTvXX0qE6KcxxDMqM61Ao Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Looks like you're still live.

I get a few fake cancellation confirmations per day.  My non-existent iCloud account gets cancelled at least twice a week.

J



On 5/3/26 14:59, Tim . wrote:
I got an odd email the other day. It was a cancellation confirmation note from the list serve. 

I wanted to see if somehow someone managed to get me cancelled.....

Tim

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Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2026 1:59 PM To: Shop Talk ; Datsun Roadster List Subject: [Roadsters] testing testing I got an odd email the other day. It was a cancellation confirmation note f= rom the list serve. I wanted to see if somehow someone managed to get me cancelled..... Tim --_000_MN2PR14MB2862BC908E39004E6488E2A6B4312MN2PR14MB2862namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks all
From: Datsun-roadsters <= datsun-roadsters-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Tim . <tims_dat= sun_stuff@outlook.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2026 1:59 PM
To: Shop Talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>; Datsun Roadster List= <datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net>
Subject: [Roadsters] testing testing
 
I got an odd email the other day. It was a cancellation confirmation note f= rom the list serve. 

I wanted to see if somehow someone managed to get me cancelled.....

Tim
--_000_MN2PR14MB2862BC908E39004E6488E2A6B4312MN2PR14MB2862namp_-- --===============8799724524657634496== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============8799724524657634496==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue May 5 03:16:28 2026 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [192.168.122.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BD4EA11D7 for ; Tue, 5 May 2026 03:16:28 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-c2p-570110.sys.comcast.net (unknown [96.102.19.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26E39A0F29 for ; Mon, 4 May 2026 07:17:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-c2p-555661.sys.comcast.net ([96.102.18.228]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 256/256 bits) (Client did not present a certificate) by resqmta-c2p-570110.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPS id JrqawKqt3fhb1JtArwAKuw; Mon, 04 May 2026 13:17:25 +0000 s=20190202a; t=1777900645; bh=PA1GbPVK4z5TUByjLeLe8FXW26BYQzygEqYKzLllsO8=; h=Received:Received:Content-Type:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version: Subject:To:From:Xfinity-Spam-Result; b=5bp6xfZYXGCjxvKUcxU0cQFjm313sE+sNFpIR4oBVFfavrDPbiwg31kvqQQpi7m/f U9sPuYnUIZ0jgV0m9kWCERWDT99P4w8O1nnSyIzYDwMznfVmy4VU2fohXIlA6i5Ah4 NaGjsSEW6MGVfH6OuKiyrKRV9TSoWDW4qMhXDAIXvmbfrG68HqrgSdJPj3gnD9H/QR 591iehiW8RB3ybibrGO3/f32AvvjVl6bqSgz2PXeB8xZpsxfNFV7vFNn63FPw8Z1+y gvVwr7EqPXke4CjSrclj5NijFvbk0z/zWl7WPn0vbw3DtLV+cXhE358Unb+A7juVMP poSoVdSAYZW9A== Received: from [192.168.1.135] ([104.153.206.37]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 256/256 bits) (Client did not present a certificate) by resomta-c2p-555661.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPSA id JtAjwfEAiB9aNJtAkwzUCG; Mon, 04 May 2026 13:17:23 +0000 Xfinity-QID: JtAjwfEAiB9aNJtAkwzUCG Date: Mon, 4 May 2026 06:17:18 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: Content-Language: en-US From: Bob Spidell YqU2MRxuS7Ft4g1oglqJaerV1YYKZPZD9Uov/C0/1uvrJu052w4BBee+NfLzr9aAVUnxh/ciLKo61jVWRw4iiy6uCkNuO12N+RY= Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] testing testing Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============3437525305797552411== boundary="------------0ntBCAdDM6djbP5GQhEr6Nun" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------0ntBCAdDM6djbP5GQhEr6Nun Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I got one too. I figured it was just a server brain fart. On 5/3/2026 11:59 AM, Tim . wrote: > I got an odd email the other day. It was a cancellation confirmation > note from the list serve. > > I wanted to see if somehow someone managed to get me cancelled..... > > Tim > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bspidell@comcast.net > --------------0ntBCAdDM6djbP5GQhEr6Nun Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I got one too. I figured it was just a server brain fart.

On 5/3/2026 11:59 AM, Tim . wrote:
I got an odd email the other day. It was a cancellation confirmation note from the list serve. 

I wanted to see if somehow someone managed to get me cancelled.....

Tim

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Brian ________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of Tim . Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2026 12:59 PM To: Shop Talk ; Datsun Roadster List Subject: [Shop-talk] testing testing I got an odd email the other day. It was a cancellation confirmation note f= rom the list serve. I wanted to see if somehow someone managed to get me cancelled..... Tim --_000_SA1PR84MB38953F97EEAF216B43E87855BB312SA1PR84MB3895NAMP_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Seems like it is still working.

Brian
From: Shop-talk <shop-ta= lk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff@outl= ook.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2026 12:59 PM
To: Shop Talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>; Datsun Roadster List= <datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net>
Subject: [Shop-talk] testing testing
 
I got an odd email the other day. It was a cancellation confirmation note f= rom the list serve. 

I wanted to see if somehow someone managed to get me cancelled.....

Tim
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It was a cancellation confirmation note fr= om the list serve.=20 I wanted to see if somehow someone managed to get me cancelled..... Tim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archi= ve as@icloud.com --Apple-Mail-95683613-112E-41DF-8E64-9379E6687733 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Still here. 

Pat Horne 
We support Habita= t for Humanity


On May 5, 2026= , at 6:10=E2=80=AFAM, Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com> wrote:
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I got an odd email the other day. It was a cancellation confirmation note fr= om the list serve. 

I wanted to see if somehow someone managed to get me cancelled.....

Tim
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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] [Roadsters] testing testing Cc: Shop Talk , Datsun Roadster List Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============7792125262485249031== --0000000000008e471306511c8a5e Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable An international audiovisual list serve I=E2=80=99ve be on since the mid = =E2=80=9890s started randomly bouncing my posts from this gmail address a little over a year ago so I set up a couple of alternative accounts. I haven=E2=80=99t ha= d any problems with any of the team net lists that Mark hosts Weird, but frankly I=E2=80=99m surprised that all of this works as well as = it does, and I been in or around IT since the mid =E2=80=9880s. RD On Tue, May 5, 2026 at 5:25=E2=80=AFPM Tim . wrote: > Thanks all > ------------------------------ > *From:* Datsun-roadsters on > behalf of Tim . > *Sent:* Sunday, May 3, 2026 1:59 PM > *To:* Shop Talk ; Datsun Roadster List < > datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net> > *Subject:* [Roadsters] testing testing > > I got an odd email the other day. It was a cancellation confirmation note > from the list serve. > > I wanted to see if somehow someone managed to get me cancelled..... > > Tim > ________________________________________ > > datsun-roadsters@autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/datsun-roadsters > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/datsun-roadsters/ronnie.day@gmail.c= om > > > --0000000000008e471306511c8a5e Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
An international audiovisual list serve I=E2=80=99ve be o= n since the mid =E2=80=9890s started randomly bouncing my posts from this g= mail address a little over a year ago so I set up a couple of alternative a= ccounts. I haven=E2=80=99t had any problems with any of the team net lists = that Mark hosts

Weird, b= ut frankly I=E2=80=99m surprised that all of this works as well as it does,= and I been in or around IT since the mid =E2=80=9880s.=C2=A0

RD

On Tue, = May 5, 2026 at 5:25=E2=80=AFPM Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com> wrote:
Thanks all
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=C2=A0
I got an odd email the other day. It was a cancellation confirmation note f= rom the list serve.=C2=A0

I wanted to see if somehow someone managed to get me cancelled.....

Tim
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She did a pretty good job on an outdoor table but the varnish flaked-off after a few months. This table has a steel frame and a stained wood top; what is a good finish--urethane, acrylic, varnish, etc.--that will give a good luster and last more than a season in the elements? 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But since the varnish is flaking off, I wonder if there was an adhesion problem. Doug On Fri, May 8, 2026 at 9:28=E2=80=AFPM Bob Spidell w= rote: > Wifey has a furniture restoration hobby. She did a pretty good job on an > outdoor table but the varnish flaked-off after a few months. This table > has a steel frame and a stained wood top; what is a good > finish--urethane, acrylic, varnish, etc.--that will give a good luster > and last more than a season in the elements? > > TIA, > Bob > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/doug@dougbraun.com > > --0000000000003cc9f90651592c4b Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Interlux Schooner varnish holds up very well on boats= .
But since the varnish is flaking off, I wonder if there was an = adhesion problem.

Doug

On Fri, May 8, 2026 at 9:28=E2=80=AFPM Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net> wrote:
Wifey has a furniture restoration= hobby. She did a pretty good job on an
outdoor table but the varnish flaked-off after a few months. This table has a steel frame and a stained wood top; what is a good
finish--urethane, acrylic, varnish, etc.--that will give a good luster
and last more than a season in the elements?

TIA,
Bob
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I could swear that=C2=A0I used=C2=A0to run an AGM battery meant for= a Honda Gold Wing, laid down flat in my Lotus Elise. That car has gone awa= y.

I bought a= Birkin and there is a larger automotive AGM battery lying on its side.=C2= =A0 This battery won't fit in there standing up with the terminals on t= op.=C2=A0 Is it OK to continue=C2=A0to use the mounting done by a previous = owner?

-- =
Phil Ethier, West Side, Sai= nt Paul Minnesota, USA
2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, white
2011 Cayman 2.9 PDK, white
= 2021 Ford F-150 3500cc twin turbo, white
1991 Caterham 1700 Super Sprint, not white
2003(?= ) Birkin, Green.
www.mnauto= x.com

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On Sun, Apr 12, 2026 at= 5:12=E2=80=AFAM Mark Bradakis <mar= k@bradakis.com> wrote:


Time marches on, and so does Team Net.=C2=A0 I'll keep it going as long= as I
can, health permitting.=C2=A0 Who knows, maybe I'll be sending out a 50= th
birthday notice!
_______________________________________________


From=C2=A0your lips to God's ear= .

Thanks for = all you do.=C2=A0 I find it hard to believe that I have been around for tho= se 35 years.=C2=A0=C2=A0

I plan to be in SLC for the Lotus Owners Gathering.=C2=A0=C2=A0=


--
Phil Ethier, West Side, Saint Paul Minnesota, USA
2006 Gulf St= ream Conquest Super C, 8.1, white
2011 Ca= yman 2.9 PDK, white
2021 Ford F-15= 0 3500cc twin turbo, white
1991 Caterham 1700 Super= Sprint, not white
www.mnautox.com

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Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3282225977498007036== boundary="----=_Part_517077_915174019.1778497140793" ------=_Part_517077_915174019.1778497140793 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was a principal in a small company that designed and built electric power= ed transportation assisting devices for heavy medical devices and patient t= ransport and we used AGM batteries a lot.=C2=A0 In many applications they w= ere oriented on their sides.=C2=A0 No issues associated with that orientati= on.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Dave=20 =20 On Monday, May 11, 2026 at 02:49:50 AM CDT, Philip Ethier wrote: =20 I could swear that=C2=A0I used=C2=A0to run an AGM battery meant for a Hond= a Gold Wing, laid down flat in my Lotus Elise. That car has gone away. I bought a Birkin and there is a larger automotive AGM battery lying on its= side.=C2=A0 This battery won't fit in there standing up with the terminals= on top.=C2=A0 Is it OK to continue=C2=A0to use the mounting done by a prev= ious owner? --=20 Phil Ethier, West Side, Saint Paul Minnesota, USA2006 Gulf Stream Conquest = Super C, 8.1, white2011 Cayman 2.9 PDK, white2021 Ford F-150 3500cc twin tu= rbo, white1991 Caterham 1700 Super Sprint, not white2003(?) Birkin, Green. www.mnautox.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arch= ive ssey@cs.com =20 ------=_Part_517077_915174019.1778497140793 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I was a principal in a small company that de= signed and built electric powered transportation assisting devices for heav= y medical devices and patient transport and we used AGM batteries a lot.&nb= sp; In many applications they were oriented on their sides.  No issues= associated with that orientation.  

=
Dave <= br>




=20
=20
On Monday, May 11, 2026 at 02:49:50 AM CDT, Philip = Ethier <pethier7@gmail.com> wrote:


=
I could swear that I used to run an AGM battery m= eant for a Honda Gold Wing, laid down flat in my Lotus Elise. That car has = gone away.

I bought a Birkin and there= is a larger automotive AGM battery lying on its side.  This battery w= on't fit in there standing up with the terminals on top.  Is it OK to = continue to use the mounting done by a previous owner?

-= -
= Phil Ethier, West Side, Saint Paul Minnesota, USA
<= span style=3D"font-family:monospace;color:rgb(0,0,0);">2006 Gulf Stream Con= quest Super C, 8.1, white
2011 Cayman 2.9 PDK, white
<= span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255);">2021 Ford F-150 3500c= c twin turbo, white
1991 Caterham 1700 Super Sprint, not white
<= span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255);">2003(?) Birkin, Green.
www.mnautox.com

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Personally, I use this TotalBoat Lust Marine Spar Varnish on my sailboat, but any of the Total Boat varnishes have a good reputation, although I have not used the water-based one. Another popular finnish with boaters is Cetol by Sikkens. I've used it on the interior of my boat but never the exterior. If you live anywhere near an ocean or sizable lake try your local chandlery for other choices. Good luck. Tom On Fri, May 8, 2026 at 9:17=E2=80=AFPM Bob Spidell w= rote: > Wifey has a furniture restoration hobby. She did a pretty good job on an > outdoor table but the varnish flaked-off after a few months. This table > has a steel frame and a stained wood top; what is a good > finish--urethane, acrylic, varnish, etc.--that will give a good luster > and last more than a season in the elements? > > TIA, > Bob > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fitzgibbontm@gmail.com > > --000000000000595130065189acff Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bob,

Most marine finishes will hold up,= but they do require some maintenance.=C2=A0 Personally, I use this=C2=A0TotalBoat Lust Marine Spar Varnish=C2=A0on my sailboat, but any of th= e Total Boat varnishes have a good reputation, although I have not used the= water-based one.=C2=A0 Another popular finnish with boaters is Cetol by Si= kkens.=C2=A0 I've used it on the interior of my boat but never the exte= rior.=C2=A0 If you live anywhere near an ocean or sizable lake try your loc= al chandlery for other choices.

Good luck.

Tom

On Fri, May 8, 2026 at 9:1= 7=E2=80=AFPM Bob Spidell <bspide= ll@comcast.net> wrote:
Wifey has a furniture restoration hobby. She did a pretty goo= d job on an
outdoor table but the varnish flaked-off after a few months. This table has a steel frame and a stained wood top; what is a good
finish--urethane, acrylic, varnish, etc.--that will give a good luster
and last more than a season in the elements?

TIA,
Bob
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I use it on my log home (Southwest New > Hampshire) and it holds up well against the weather. I end up doing a > maintenance coat every 5 years. --0000000000002c57e906518b4df9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I second the use of Sikkens Cetol. I use it on = my log home (Southwest New Hampshire) and it holds up well against the weat= her. I end up doing a maintenance coat every 5 years.
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Cc: Shop-Talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1319123749097087463== boundary="----=_Part_637680_1392623940.1778513169922" ------=_Part_637680_1392623940.1778513169922 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Or, just making the connections would be really awkward. Dave=20 =20 On Monday, May 11, 2026 at 08:34:30 AM CDT, David Scheidt wrote: =20 =20 > On May 11, 2026, at 02:21, Philip Ethier wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF > I could swear that I used to run an AGM battery meant for a Honda Gold Wi= ng, laid down flat in my Lotus Elise. That car has gone away. >=20 > I bought a Birkin and there is a larger automotive AGM battery lying on i= ts side.=C2=A0 This battery won't fit in there standing up with the termina= ls on top.=C2=A0 Is it OK to continue to use the mounting done by a previou= s owner? >=20 Yes.=C2=A0 Agm batteries can be mounted in any orientation.=C2=A0 Most say = not upside down, but I am pretty sure that is to avoid dropping it and shor= ting the terminals.=20 >=20 _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arch= ive ssey@cs.com =20 ------=_Part_637680_1392623940.1778513169922 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Or, just making the connections would be rea= lly awkward.

Dave

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On Monday, May 11, 2026 at 08:34:30 AM CDT, David S= cheidt <dmscheidt@gmail.com> wrote:




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> On May 11, 2026, at 02:21, Philip Ethier <pethier7@= gmail.com> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB=BF
> I could swear that I= used to run an AGM battery meant for a Honda Gold Wing, laid down flat in = my Lotus Elise. That car has gone away.
>
=
> I bought a Birkin and there is a larger automot= ive AGM battery lying on its side.  This battery won't fit in there st= anding up with the terminals on top.  Is it OK to continue to use the = mounting done by a previous owner?
>

Yes.  Agm batteries can b= e mounted in any orientation.  Most say not upside down, but I am pret= ty sure that is to avoid dropping it and shorting the terminals.
=

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Cc: Shop-Talk , David Scheidt Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5175856708049198789== --000000000000438f5b06518c813e Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, May 11, 2026 at 10:26=E2=80=AFAM DAVID MASSEY = wrote: > Or, just making the connections would be really awkward. > > Dave > It turns out that as the car came to me this battery orientation is the only way the current cables will reach. Thanks to all who helped. On Monday, May 11, 2026 at 08:34:30 AM CDT, David Scheidt < dmscheidt@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On May 11, 2026, at 02:21, Philip Ethier wrote: > > > > =EF=BB=BF > > I could swear that I used to run an AGM battery meant for a Honda Gold > Wing, laid down flat in my Lotus Elise. That car has gone away. > > > > I bought a Birkin and there is a larger automotive AGM battery lying on > its side. This battery won't fit in there standing up with the terminals > on top. Is it OK to continue to use the mounting done by a previous owne= r? > > > > Yes. Agm batteries can be mounted in any orientation. Most say not > upside down, but I am pretty sure that is to avoid dropping it and shorti= ng > the terminals. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dave1massey@cs.com > > --=20 Phil Ethier, West Side, Saint Paul Minnesota, USA 2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, white 2011 Cayman 2.9 PDK, white 2021 Ford F-150 3500cc twin turbo, white 1991 Caterham 1700 Super Sprint, not white 2003(?) BIrkin, green. www.mnautox.com --000000000000438f5b06518c813e Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Mon, May 11, 2026 at= 10:26=E2=80=AFAM DAVID MASSEY <da= ve1massey@cs.com> wrote:
Or, just making the connections would = be really awkward.

Dave

It turns out that as the car = came to me this battery orientation=C2=A0is the only way the current cables= will reach.

= Thanks to all who helped.

=C2=A0On Monday, May 11, 2026 at 08:34:30 AM CDT, David Scheid= t <dmscheidt@gmail.com> wrote:
=




=
> On May 11, 2026, at 02:21, Philip Ethier <pethier7@= gmail.com> wrote:
>
> =EF=BB=BF
> I could swear that I= used to run an AGM battery meant for a Honda Gold Wing, laid down flat in = my Lotus Elise. That car has gone away.
>
=
> I bought a Birkin and there is a larger automot= ive AGM battery lying on its side.=C2=A0 This battery won't fit in ther= e standing up with the terminals on top.=C2=A0 Is it OK to continue to use = the mounting done by a previous owner?
>
<= /div>

Yes.=C2=A0 Agm batteries c= an be mounted in any orientation.=C2=A0 Most say not upside down, but I am = pretty sure that is to avoid dropping it and shorting the terminals.

>
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2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, = 8.1, white
2011 Cayman 2.9 PDK, white
2021 Ford F-150 3500cc twin turbo, wh= ite
1991 Caterham 1700 Super Sprint, not white
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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 29cec506848406b6b4bf24303dd45b8d; Tue, 19 May 2026 17:01:30 +0000 (UTC) From: "john niolon" To: "shop-talk" Date: Tue, 19 May 2026 12:01:29 -0500 User-Agent: OEClassic/5.4 (Win10.19045; P; 2026-04-04) References: <1UnBneR6qa.3d2D7KD7xbr.ref@johns-desktop> mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Subject: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============7969262507684174404== --------------010508010208050507010404 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Strange automotive electrical problem we need help with=E2=80=A6 55 chevy automatic with 383 stroker motor, carbed, p/s,p/b,a/c Dakota digital dash system including neutral safety switch and Transmission gear indicator =20 When it is running right, it=E2=80=99s scary strong. Cruises nicely. =20 Problem=E2=80=A6 when driving the engine dies like you cut it off=E2=80=A6B= UT will start back up Immediately and run perfectly till the next time it does it. Might be 15= =20 minutes=E2=80=A615 days or three month later. Might do it 4 times in a row or once and not repeat. Sp= eed=20 does not effect it.=20 Engine temp does not effect it=E2=80=A6 does it hot or cold. With the a/c = on or off. =20 It does not have a Cutoff switch in the system. Longest period with no failure is 7 months=E2= =80=A6=20 shortest was 4 minutes. =20 When it stalls we checked fuel by looking in the bowl of carb and gas is=20 spraying as it should So we are assuming electrical of some sort. So far we=E2=80=99ve done the = following=E2=80=A6 =20 Replaced battery with new red top optima battery and all new battery cables= (2=20 gauge I think) Replaced all ground cables frame/block=E2=80=A6 frame/chassis with 2/0 weld= ing cable=20 with new crimped connectors and clean, bare metal attachment points replaced ignition switch (twice=E2=80=A6 first with import then with oem sw= itch) replaced coil and distributor with MSD system with spark control box, separ= ate=20 coil and distributor=E2=80=A6 it was taken from running vehicle. It's doing the same thing as the origi= nal ignition system. Replaced complete wiring harness=E2=80=A6headlight to taillight with new Au= towire harness=E2=80=A6including all Switches and relays. Professionally done. Everything else electrical works without a glitch=E2=80=A6 we are at the w= all here=E2=80=A6 =20 Ideas, suggestions, calculated wild a** guesses welcomed=E2=80=A6 =20 thanks =20 john =20 --------------010508010208050507010404 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline

Str= ange automotive electrical problem we need help with=E2=80=A6

55 = chevy automatic with 383 stroker motor, carbed, p/s,p/b,a/c

Dak= ota digital dash system including neutral safety switch and

Tra= nsmission gear indicator

 

Whe= n it is running right, it=E2=80=99s scary strong.  Cruises nicely.

 

Pro= blem=E2=80=A6 when driving the engine dies like you cut it off=E2=80=A6BUT = will start back up

Imm= ediately and run perfectly till the next time it does it.  Might be 15 minutes=E2=80=A615 days or=

thr= ee month later. Might do it 4 times in a row or once and not repeat.  Speed does not effect it. <= /P>

Eng= ine temp does not effect it=E2=80=A6 = ; does it hot or cold. With the a/c on or off.  It does not have a

Cut= off switch in the system.  Lo= ngest period with no failure is 7 months=E2=80=A6 shortest was 4 minutes.

 

Whe= n it stalls we checked fuel by looking in the bowl of carb and gas is spray= ing as it should

So = we are assuming electrical of some sort.&= nbsp; So far we=E2=80=99ve done the following=E2=80=A6

 

Rep= laced battery with new red top optima battery and all new battery cables (2= gauge I think)

Rep= laced all ground cables frame/block=E2=80=A6 frame/chassis with 2/0 welding= cable with new crimped

con= nectors and clean, bare metal attachment points

rep= laced ignition switch (twice=E2=80=A6 first with import then with oem switc= h)

rep= laced coil and distributor with MSD system with spark control box, separate= coil and distributor=E2=80=A6

it = was taken from running vehicle.  It's doing the same  thing as th= e original ignition system.

Rep= laced complete wiring harness=E2=80=A6headlight to taillight with new Autow= ire harness=E2=80=A6including all

Swi= tches and relays. Professionally done.

Eve= rything else electrical works without a glitch=E2=80=A6  we are at the wall here=E2=80=A6

 

Ide= as, suggestions, calculated wild a** guesses welcomed=E2=80=A6   =

tha= nks

 

joh= n

 

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I do not like messing with electrical stuff so am hoping for a recommendati= on for an easy to install unit....one with step by steps would is preferred= . Thanks all tim --_000_MN2PR14MB28623B1468BD2E5E5E446417B4002MN2PR14MB2862namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I need to put a temperature sensor/gauge on my old Jeep. 

I do not like messing with electrical stuff so am hoping for a recommendati= on for an easy to install unit....one with step by steps would is preferred= . 

Thanks all
tim
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Pat Horne 
W= e support Habitat for Humanity

On May 19, 2026, at 6:29=E2=80=AFPM, eric@megageek.com wrote:

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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 0ddd2c8b0990d465a6934d7d1c93623c; Wed, 20 May 2026 02:02:23 +0000 (UTC) From: "john niolon" To: eric@megageek.com, "shop-talk" Date: Tue, 19 May 2026 21:02:22 -0500 References: <1UnBneR6qa.3d2D7KD7xbr.ref@johns-desktop> <1UnBneR6qa.3d2D7KD7xbr@johns-desktop> User-Agent: OEClassic/5.4 (Win10.19045; P; 2026-04-04) mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0774440308920727631== --------------010702050207010409000704 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hey Moose, thanks for the reply. Harness was done by a pro that does it fo= r a=20 living...He is meticulous. He completely strips everything from the car then starts from a blank slate... Everything new.. Nice looms = and=20 grommets at every hole and hides as much of it as he can. =20 Every component was new and oem or better... no import crap. =20 I'm of the same opinion as you afa a short to ground but it's gotta be hidd= en=20 inside something that we=20 can't see. =20 Someone on my ford forum suggested putting a volt meter in the circuit and = watch the voltage for a drop...but you're=20 so busy trying to get out of traffic and not get plowed=20 it's difficult to remember to watch the meter.... and yes this has been g= oing on for over a year...intermittently and even after all the changes... = it persists =20 john =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: shop-talk Cc: john niolon Sent: 05/19/2026 4:40:59 PM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem John, I would have bet money it was a hidden wire short somewhere. It had a= ll the Hallmarks. But you stated the wiring harness what completely replac= ed. So, that rules that out...=20 Or does it?=20 My question, when you said 'headlight=20 to=20 taillight', that is complete. BUT was there ANY wire that was in that car = that wasn't=20 part of the harness?=20 Something in dash, neutral switch, tranny indicator, or some other componen= t?=20 I'm still betting on a wire short, but I guess it could be a short inside a= component. Maybe inside the alt or other part?=20 BTW, I'm=20 assuming it was doing this, before you did all these mods, right?=20 Anyway, that is a stumper.=20 Moose=20 From: "john niolon" =20 To: "shop-talk" =20 Date: 05/19/2026 13:16=20 Subject: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem=20 Sent by: "Shop-talk" =20 Strange automotive electrical problem we need help with=E2=80=A6 55 chevy automatic with 383 stroker motor, carbed, p/s,p/b,a/c Dakota digital dash system including neutral safety switch and Transmission gear indicator =20 When it is running right, it=E2=80=99s scary strong. Cruises nicely. =20 Problem=E2=80=A6 when driving the engine dies like you cut it off=E2=80=A6B= UT will start back up Immediately and run perfectly till the next time it does it. Might be 15= =20 minutes=E2=80=A615 days or three month later. Might do it 4 times in a row or once and not repeat. Sp= eed=20 does not effect it.=20 Engine temp does not effect it=E2=80=A6 does it hot or cold. With the a/c = on or off. =20 It does not have a Cutoff switch in the system. Longest period with no failure is 7 months=E2= =80=A6=20 shortest was 4 minutes. =20 When it stalls we checked fuel by looking in the bowl of carb and gas is=20 spraying as it should So we are assuming electrical of some sort. So far we=E2=80=99ve done the = following=E2=80=A6 =20 Replaced battery with new red top optima battery and all new battery cables= (2=20 gauge I think) Replaced all ground cables frame/block=E2=80=A6 frame/chassis with 2/0 weld= ing cable=20 with new crimped connectors and clean, bare metal attachment points replaced ignition switch (twice=E2=80=A6 first with import then with oem sw= itch) replaced coil and distributor with MSD system with spark control box, separ= ate=20 coil and distributor=E2=80=A6 it was taken from running vehicle. It's doing the same thing as the origi= nal ignition system. Replaced complete wiring harness=E2=80=A6headlight to taillight with new Au= towire harness=E2=80=A6including all Switches and relays. Professionally done. Everything else electrical works without a glitch=E2=80=A6 we are at the w= all here=E2=80=A6 =20 Ideas, suggestions, calculated wild a** guesses welcomed=E2=80=A6 =20 thanks =20 john _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arch= ive gageek.com --------------010702050207010409000704 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Hey Moose, thanks for the reply.  Harness= was done by a pro that does it for a living...He is meticulous.  He c= ompletely strips everything
from the car then starts from a blank slate...= Everything new.. Nice looms and grommets at every hole and hides as much o= f it as he can.
 
Every component was new and oem or better... n= o import crap.   I'm of the same opinion as you afa a short to gr= ound but it's gotta be hidden inside something
that we can't see.
 
Someone on my ford forum suggested putting a v= olt meter in the circuit and watch the voltage for a drop...but you're so b= usy trying to get out of traffic and not
get plowed it's difficult to remember to watch= the meter....   and yes this has been going on for over a year..= =2Eintermittently and even after all the changes... it persists
 
john
 
= ----- Original Message -----
= From: <eric@megageek.com>= ;
= To: shop-talk <shop-talk= @autox.team.net>
= Cc: john niolon <jniolon@att.net<= /A>>
= Sent: 05/19/2026 4:40:59 PM
= Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem
John, I would have bet money it was a hidden wire short= somewhere. It had all the Hallmarks.  But you stated the wiring harne= ss what completely replaced. So, that rules that out...

Or does it?
My question, = when you said 'headlight to taillight', that is complete.  BUT was the= re ANY wire that was in that car that wasn't part of the harness?
Something in= dash, neutral switch, tranny indicator, or some other component?
I'm still be= tting on a wire short, but I guess it could be a short inside a component. =  Maybe inside the alt or other part?

BTW, I'm assuming it was doing this,= before you did all these mods, right?

Anyway, that is a stumper.
<= BR>Moose


From:        "john niolon" <jniolon@att.net>
To:        "shop-talk" <shop-talk@autox.team.net> <= BR>= Date:        05/19/2026 13:16
Subject:      =  [Shop= -talk] strange automotive electrical problem
Sent by:    =    


Strange automotive electrical problem we need h= elp with=E2=80=A6

55 chevy automatic with 383 stroker motor, carb= ed, p/s,p/b,a/c

Dakota digital dash system including neutral sa= fety switch and

Transmission gear indicator

 

When it is running right, it=E2=80=99s scary st= rong.  Cruises nicely.

 

Problem=E2=80=A6 when driving the engine dies l= ike you cut it off=E2=80=A6BUT will start back up

Immediately and run perfectly till the next tim= e it does it.  Might be 15 minutes=E2=80=A615 days or

three month later. Might do it 4 times in a row= or once and not repeat.  Speed does not effect it.

Engine temp does not effect it=E2=80=A6  d= oes it hot or cold. With the a/c on or off.  It does not have a=

Cutoff switch in the system.  Longest peri= od with no failure is 7 months=E2=80=A6 shortest was 4 minutes.

 

When it stalls we checked fuel by looking in th= e bowl of carb and gas is spraying as it should

So we are assuming electrical of some sort. &nb= sp;So far we=E2=80=99ve done the following=E2=80=A6

 

Replaced battery with new red top optima batter= y and all new battery cables (2 gauge I think)

Replaced all ground cables frame/block=E2=80=A6= frame/chassis with 2/0 welding cable with new crimped

connectors and clean, bare metal attachment poi= nts

replaced ignition switch (twice=E2=80=A6 first = with import then with oem switch)

replaced coil and distributor with MSD system w= ith spark control box, separate coil and distributor=E2=80=A6

it was taken from running vehicle.  It's d= oing the same  thing as the original ignition system.

Replaced complete wiring harness=E2=80=A6headli= ght to taillight with new Autowire harness=E2=80=A6including all

Switches and relays. Professionally done.

Everything else electrical works without a glit= ch=E2=80=A6  we are at the wall here=E2=80=A6

 

Ideas, suggestions, calculated wild a** guesses= welcomed=E2=80=A6  

thanks

 

john

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Hi Tim,

Autometer makes some very nice mechanical temperature gauges.= I am using on in one of my cars:

Gauges - Auto Gage

On Tue, May 19, 2026 at 9:25=E2=80=AFPM Tim . <<= a href=3D"mailto:tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com">tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.c= om> wrote:
I need to put a temperature sensor/gauge on my old Jeep.=C2=A0

I do not like messing with electrical stuff so am hoping for a recommendati= on for an easy to install unit....one with step by steps would is preferred= .=C2=A0

Thanks all
tim
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About your only course of action is when it happens, try to monitor/measure all possible factors before you restart. Do any of the gauges or indicator lights indicate any problem when it occurs? Any audible clicks or pops? Does it only happen when it is hot outside, cold outside, wet outside, etc. Trying to find any common factor for the moment when the failure occurs could help you start to track it down. I know it seems unlikely, but if turning the ignition switch seems to solve the problem, it could be the ignition switch (I have had two ignition switches fail intermittently, so I am attentive to that possibility). You almost have to hope that whatever it is that fails briefly will fail permanently so that you can track it down. If it always occurred when you hit a bump (electrical connection) or after the engine had been running for an hour or so (overheated component), etc., you could start to track things down, but it seems totally random. On Wed, May 20, 2026 at 1:53=E2=80=AFAM john niolon wrote= : > Hey Moose, thanks for the reply. Harness was done by a pro that does it > for a living...He is meticulous. He completely strips everything > from the car then starts from a blank slate... Everything new.. Nice loom= s > and grommets at every hole and hides as much of it as he can. > > Every component was new and oem or better... no import crap. I'm of the > same opinion as you afa a short to ground but it's gotta be hidden inside > something > that we can't see. > > Someone on my ford forum suggested putting a volt meter in the circuit an= d > watch the voltage for a drop...but you're so busy trying to get out of > traffic and not > get plowed it's difficult to remember to watch the meter.... and yes > this has been going on for over a year...intermittently and even after al= l > the changes... it persists > > john > > > *----- Original Message -----* > *From:* > *To:* shop-talk > *Cc:* john niolon > *Sent:* 05/19/2026 4:40:59 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem > ------------------------------ > John, I would have bet money it was a hidden wire short somewhere. It had > all the Hallmarks. But you stated the wiring harness what completely > replaced. So, that rules that out... > > Or does it? > > My question, when you said 'headlight to taillight', that is complete. > BUT was there ANY wire that was in that car that wasn't part of the harne= ss? > > Something in dash, neutral switch, tranny indicator, or some other > component? > > I'm still betting on a wire short, but I guess it could be a short inside > a component. Maybe inside the alt or other part? > > BTW, I'm assuming it was doing this, before you did all these mods, right= ? > > Anyway, that is a stumper. > > Moose > > > > From: "john niolon" > To: "shop-talk" > Date: 05/19/2026 13:16 > Subject: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem > Sent by: "Shop-talk" > ------------------------------ > > > Strange automotive electrical problem we need help with=E2=80=A6 > > 55 chevy automatic with 383 stroker motor, carbed, p/s,p/b,a/c > > Dakota digital dash system including neutral safety switch and > > Transmission gear indicator > > > > When it is running right, it=E2=80=99s scary strong. Cruises nicely. > > > > Problem=E2=80=A6 when driving the engine dies like you cut it off=E2=80= =A6BUT will start > back up > > Immediately and run perfectly till the next time it does it. Might be 15 > minutes=E2=80=A615 days or > > three month later. Might do it 4 times in a row or once and not repeat. > Speed does not effect it. > > Engine temp does not effect it=E2=80=A6 does it hot or cold. With the a/= c on or > off. It does not have a > > Cutoff switch in the system. Longest period with no failure is 7 months= =E2=80=A6 > shortest was 4 minutes. > > > > When it stalls we checked fuel by looking in the bowl of carb and gas is > spraying as it should > > So we are assuming electrical of some sort. So far we=E2=80=99ve done th= e > following=E2=80=A6 > > > > Replaced battery with new red top optima battery and all new battery > cables (2 gauge I think) > > Replaced all ground cables frame/block=E2=80=A6 frame/chassis with 2/0 we= lding > cable with new crimped > > connectors and clean, bare metal attachment points > > replaced ignition switch (twice=E2=80=A6 first with import then with oem = switch) > > replaced coil and distributor with MSD system with spark control box, > separate coil and distributor=E2=80=A6 > > it was taken from running vehicle. It's doing the same thing as the > original ignition system. > > Replaced complete wiring harness=E2=80=A6headlight to taillight with new = Autowire > harness=E2=80=A6including all > > Switches and relays. Professionally done. > > Everything else electrical works without a glitch=E2=80=A6 we are at the= wall > here=E2=80=A6 > > > > Ideas, suggestions, calculated wild a** guesses welcomed=E2=80=A6 > > thanks > > > > john > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eric@megageek.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard@gmail.com > > --000000000000ce785c06523beea5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As = you know, intermittent=C2=A0electrical problems are some of the most diffic= ult to track down.

About = your only course of action is when it happens, try to monitor/measure all p= ossible factors before you restart.=C2=A0

Do any of the gauges or indicator=C2=A0lights indicate any= problem when it occurs? Any audible clicks or pops? Does it only happen wh= en it is hot outside, cold outside, wet outside, etc. Trying to find any co= mmon factor for the moment when the failure occurs could help you start to = track it down.
=
I know it = seems unlikely, but if turning the ignition switch seems to solve the probl= em, it could be the ignition switch (I have had two ignition switches fail = intermittently, so I am attentive to that possibility).

You almost have to hope that whatever it is = that fails briefly will fail permanently=C2=A0so that you can track it down= .

If it always occurred w= hen you hit a bump (electrical connection) or after the engine had been run= ning for an hour or so (overheated component), etc., you could start to tra= ck things down, but it seems totally random.

On = Wed, May 20, 2026 at 1:53=E2=80=AFAM john niolon <jniolon@att.net> wrote:
Hey Moose, thanks for the reply.=C2=A0 Harness= was done by a pro that does it for a living...He is meticulous.=C2=A0 He c= ompletely strips everything
from the car then starts from a blank slate...= Everything new.. Nice looms and grommets at every hole and hides as much o= f it as he can.
=C2=A0
Every component was new and oem or better... n= o import crap.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I'm of the same opinion as you afa a short t= o ground but it's gotta be hidden inside something
that we can't see.
=C2=A0
Someone on my ford forum suggested putting a v= olt meter in the circuit and watch the voltage for a drop...but you're = so busy trying to get out of traffic and not
get plowed it's difficult to remember to w= atch the meter....=C2=A0=C2=A0 and yes this has been going on for over a ye= ar...intermittently and even after all the changes... it persists
=C2=A0
john
=C2=A0
----- Original Message -----
To: shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Cc: john niolon <jniolon@att.net>
Sent: 05/19/2026 4:40:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem<= /div>
John, I would have bet money it was a hidden wire shor= t somewhere. It had all the Hallmarks.=C2=A0 But you stated the wiring harn= ess what completely replaced. So, that rules that out...

Or does it?
<= br>My question, when = you said 'headlight to taillight', that is complete.=C2=A0 BUT was = there ANY wire that was in that car that wasn't part of the harness?

Somethin= g in dash, neutral switch, tranny indicator, or some other component?

I'm sti= ll betting on a wire short, but I guess it could be a short inside a compon= ent.=C2=A0 Maybe inside the alt or other part?

BTW, I'm assuming it was doi= ng this, before you did all these mods, right?

Anyway, that is a stumper.

Moose



From: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"john niolon" <jniolon@att.net>
= To= : =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"shop-talk" <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Date: = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A005/19/2026 13:16
Subject: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<= /span>[Shop-talk] stra= nge automotive electrical problem
Sent by: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0"Sho= p-talk" <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net>


Strange automotive electrical problem we need help wi= th=E2=80=A6

55 chevy automatic with 383 stroker motor, carbed, p/= s,p/b,a/c

Dakota digital dash system including neutral safety s= witch and

Transmission gear indicator

=C2=A0

When it is running right, it=E2=80=99s scary strong.= =C2=A0 Cruises nicely.

=C2=A0

Problem=E2=80=A6 when driving the engine dies like yo= u cut it off=E2=80=A6BUT will start back up

Immediately and run perfectly till the next time it d= oes it.=C2=A0 Might be 15 minutes=E2=80=A615 days or

three month later. Might do it 4 times in a row or on= ce and not repeat.=C2=A0 Speed does not effect it.

Engine temp does not effect it=E2=80=A6 =C2=A0does it= hot or cold. With the a/c on or off.=C2=A0 It does not have a

Cutoff switch in the system.=C2=A0 Longest period wit= h no failure is 7 months=E2=80=A6 shortest was 4 minutes.

=C2=A0

When it stalls we checked fuel by looking in the bowl= of carb and gas is spraying as it should

So we are assuming electrical of some sort.=C2=A0 So = far we=E2=80=99ve done the following=E2=80=A6

=C2=A0

Replaced battery with new red top optima battery and = all new battery cables (2 gauge I think)

Replaced all ground cables frame/block=E2=80=A6 frame= /chassis with 2/0 welding cable with new crimped

connectors and clean, bare metal attachment points

replaced ignition switch (twice=E2=80=A6 first with i= mport then with oem switch)

replaced coil and distributor with MSD system with sp= ark control box, separate coil and distributor=E2=80=A6

it was taken from running vehicle.=C2=A0 It's doi= ng the same =C2=A0thing as the original ignition system.

Replaced complete wiring harness=E2=80=A6headlight to= taillight with new Autowire harness=E2=80=A6including all

Switches and relays. Professionally done.

Everything else electrical works without a glitch=E2= =80=A6 =C2=A0we are at the wall here=E2=80=A6

=C2=A0

Ideas, suggestions, calculated wild a** guesses welco= med=E2=80=A6 =C2=A0

thanks

=C2=A0

john

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New doesn=E2=80=99t mean good= .  It just means new. 

=46rom your symptoms, it sounds like you=E2=80=99re losing spark. &nbs= p;You (or your mechanic) need to draw a diagram of what the ignition system s= hould look like. Where it gets power, where the grounds are, what inputs the= spark box has, what the distributor has, etc. then you need to verify that y= our diagram is right, by visual inspection (don=E2=80=99t take it apart). If= it doesn=E2=80=99t match, figure out why. Once you know the fundamental set= up is right, you need to work through it, starting at the battery, through t= he fuse box, the ignition switch, ending at the plugs.  My suspicion is= that you have something physically broken, that is intermittently opening. C= ould be a bad terminal termination (if the wiring was soldered, replaced the= solder joints with properly crimped ones.  Solder has no place in auto= motive wiring, it creates stiff points that fail at the end of the joint.), c= ould be a pin fit problem, could be a fuse holder flexing, could be an ignit= ion switch opening, could be a relay unlatching, could be a wire with a brea= k. Could have a ground that goes away when the engine moves. Could be someth= ing else=E2=80=A6

But syste= matic inspection is the way to find it , not just firing the parts cannon.&n= bsp;


On May 20, 2026, at 00:58, and john niolon <jniolon@att.net> wr= ote:

=EF= =BB=BF
Hey Moose, thanks for the reply.  Harness w= as done by a pro that does it for a living...He is meticulous.  He comp= letely strips everything
from the car then starts from a blank slate... E= verything new.. Nice looms and grommets at every hole and hides as much of i= t as he can.
 
Every component was new and oem or better... no= import crap.   I'm of the same opinion as you afa a short to grou= nd but it's gotta be hidden inside something
that we can't see.
 
Someone on my ford forum suggested putting a vo= lt meter in the circuit and watch the voltage for a drop...but you're so bus= y trying to get out of traffic and not
get plowed it's difficult to remember to watch t= he meter....   and yes this has been going on for over a year...in= termittently and even after all the changes... it persists
 
john
 
-= ---- Original Message -----
From:= <eric@megageek.com>
T= o: shop-talk <shop-talk@a= utox.team.net>
C= c: john niolon <jniolon@att.net>
S= ent: 05/19/2026 4:40:59 PM
S= ubject: Re: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem
John, I would have bet money it was a hidden wire short so= mewhere. It had all the Hallmarks.  But you stated the wiring harness w= hat completely replaced. So, that rules that out...

Or does it?

<= span style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">My question, when yo= u said 'headlight to taillight', that is complete.  BUT was there ANY w= ire that was in that car that wasn't part of the harness?

Something in dash, neu= tral switch, tranny indicator, or some other component?

I'm still betting on a w= ire short, but I guess it could be a short inside a component.  Maybe i= nside the alt or other part?

BTW, I'm assuming it was doing this, before you did= all these mods, right?

Anyway, that is a stumper.

Moose



From: &n= bsp;      "john niolon" <jniolon@att.net>
To:     &nb= sp;  "sh= op-talk" <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Date:       &= nbsp;05/19/20= 26 13:16
Subject:        [Shop-talk] strange automotive electri= cal problem
Sent by:        "Shop-talk" <shop-talk-bounces@= autox.team.net>


Strange automotive electrical problem we need hel= p with=E2=80=A6

55 chevy automatic with 383 stroker motor, carbed= , p/s,p/b,a/c

Dakota digital dash system including neutral safe= ty switch and

Transmission gear indicator

 

When it is running right, it=E2=80=99s scary stro= ng.  Cruises nicely.

 

Problem=E2=80=A6 when driving the engine dies lik= e you cut it off=E2=80=A6BUT will start back up

Immediately and run perfectly till the next time i= t does it.  Might be 15 minutes=E2=80=A615 days or

three month later. Might do it 4 times in a row o= r once and not repeat.  Speed does not effect it.

Engine temp does not effect it=E2=80=A6  doe= s it hot or cold. With the a/c on or off.  It does not have a

Cutoff switch in the system.  Longest period= with no failure is 7 months=E2=80=A6 shortest was 4 minutes.

 

When it stalls we checked fuel by looking in the b= owl of carb and gas is spraying as it should

So we are assuming electrical of some sort.  = ;So far we=E2=80=99ve done the following=E2=80=A6

 

Replaced battery with new red top optima battery a= nd all new battery cables (2 gauge I think)

Replaced all ground cables frame/block=E2=80=A6 f= rame/chassis with 2/0 welding cable with new crimped

connectors and clean, bare metal attachment point= s

replaced ignition switch (twice=E2=80=A6 first wi= th import then with oem switch)

replaced coil and distributor with MSD system wit= h spark control box, separate coil and distributor=E2=80=A6

it was taken from running vehicle.  It's doi= ng the same  thing as the original ignition system.

Replaced complete wiring harness=E2=80=A6headligh= t to taillight with new Autowire harness=E2=80=A6including all

Switches and relays. Professionally done.<= /p>

Everything else electrical works without a glitch= =E2=80=A6  we are at the wall here=E2=80=A6

 

Ideas, suggestions, calculated wild a** guesses w= elcomed=E2=80=A6  

thanks

 

john

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Decades ago when I worked for a Volkswagen dealer, we had a newish car that exhibited a similar electrical problem. The guy would go out to his car, try to crank it up to go to work, and it wouldn't start. He had it towed in three times and all three times they dropped it off the wrecker, it cranked up and drove perfectly. Finally, the fourth time he had the problem, my boss told me to get some tools and drive to the guy's house. I spent about 30 minutes tracing the problem, and finally found it. Underneath the carpet in the trunk of the car there was a wire connection for the fuel pump. A single wire plugged into another single wire inside of plastic connector. That connector was taped to the floor the back of the car. I traced the electrical problem to that point - power ahead of it and not after it. When I peeled the tape back, I found that the wires were plugged in far enough to touch, but not far enough to be permanently connected. I just pushed the wires together, and everything was fine. No more trouble. Apparently, the wires would retract from one another when it got a little cool, and break the connection to the fuel pump. Putting it on the wrecker and bouncing it to the shop was enough to remake the connection= . On Tue, May 19, 2026, 13:23 john niolon wrote: > Strange automotive electrical problem we need help with=E2=80=A6 > > 55 chevy automatic with 383 stroker motor, carbed, p/s,p/b,a/c > > Dakota digital dash system including neutral safety switch and > > Transmission gear indicator > > > > When it is running right, it=E2=80=99s scary strong. Cruises nicely. > > > > Problem=E2=80=A6 when driving the engine dies like you cut it off=E2=80= =A6BUT will start > back up > > Immediately and run perfectly till the next time it does it. Might be 15 > minutes=E2=80=A615 days or > > three month later. Might do it 4 times in a row or once and not repeat. = Speed > does not effect it. > > Engine temp does not effect it=E2=80=A6 does it hot or cold. With the a/= c on or > off. It does not have a > > Cutoff switch in the system. Longest period with no failure is 7 months= =E2=80=A6 > shortest was 4 minutes. > > > > When it stalls we checked fuel by looking in the bowl of carb and gas is > spraying as it should > > So we are assuming electrical of some sort. So far we=E2=80=99ve done th= e > following=E2=80=A6 > > > > Replaced battery with new red top optima battery and all new battery > cables (2 gauge I think) > > Replaced all ground cables frame/block=E2=80=A6 frame/chassis with 2/0 we= lding > cable with new crimped > > connectors and clean, bare metal attachment points > > replaced ignition switch (twice=E2=80=A6 first with import then with oem = switch) > > replaced coil and distributor with MSD system with spark control box, > separate coil and distributor=E2=80=A6 > > it was taken from running vehicle. It's doing the same thing as the > original ignition system. > > Replaced complete wiring harness=E2=80=A6headlight to taillight with new = Autowire > harness=E2=80=A6including all > > Switches and relays. Professionally done. > > Everything else electrical works without a glitch=E2=80=A6 we are at the= wall > here=E2=80=A6 > > > > Ideas, suggestions, calculated wild a** guesses welcomed=E2=80=A6 > > thanks > > > > john > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate@gmail.com > > --000000000000ab9a6a0652407b9b Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Not exactly the problem you're having, but maybe some= thing similar. Decades ago when I worked for a Volkswagen dealer, we had a = newish car that exhibited a similar electrical problem. The guy would go ou= t to his car, try to crank it up to go to work, and it wouldn't start. = He had it towed in three times and all three times they dropped it off the = wrecker, it cranked up and drove perfectly. Finally, the fourth time he had= the problem, my boss told me to get some tools and drive to the guy's = house. I spent about 30 minutes tracing the problem, and finally found it. = Underneath the carpet in the trunk of the car there was a wire connection f= or the fuel pump. A single wire plugged into another single wire inside of = plastic connector. That connector was taped to the floor the back of the ca= r. I traced the electrical problem to that point - power ahead of it and no= t after it. When I peeled the tape back, I found that the wires were plugge= d in far enough to touch, but not far enough to be permanently connected.= =C2=A0

I just pushed the wires= together, and everything was fine. No more trouble.=C2=A0 Apparently, the = wires would retract from one another when it got a little cool, and break t= he connection to the fuel pump.=C2=A0 Putting it on the wrecker and bouncin= g it to the shop was enough to remake the connection.

On Tue, May 19, 2026, 13:23 john niolon <jniolon@att.net> wrote:

= Strange automotive electrical problem we need help with=E2=80=A6

= 55 chevy automatic with 383 stroker motor, carbed, p/s,p/b,a/c

= Dakota digital dash system including neutral safety switch and

= Transmission gear indicator

=C2=A0

= When it is running right, it=E2=80=99s scary strong.=C2=A0 Cru= ises nicely.

=C2=A0

= Problem=E2=80=A6 when driving the engine dies like you cut it off=E2=80=A6B= UT will start back up

= Immediately and run perfectly till the next time it does it.=C2=A0 Might be 15 minutes=E2=80=A615 days or

= three month later. Might do it 4 times in a row or once and not repeat.=C2=A0 Speed does not effect it.

= Engine temp does not effect it=E2=80=A6=C2=A0 does it hot or c= old. With the a/c on or off.=C2=A0 It does not have a

= Cutoff switch in the system.=C2=A0 Longest period with no fail= ure is 7 months=E2=80=A6 shortest was 4 minutes.

=C2=A0

= When it stalls we checked fuel by looking in the bowl of carb and gas is sp= raying as it should

= So we are assuming electrical of some sort.=C2=A0 So far we=E2= =80=99ve done the following=E2=80=A6

=C2=A0

= Replaced battery with new red top optima battery and all new battery cables= (2 gauge I think)

= Replaced all ground cables frame/block=E2=80=A6 frame/chassis with 2/0 weld= ing cable with new crimped

= connectors and clean, bare metal attachment points

= replaced ignition switch (twice=E2=80=A6 first with import then with oem sw= itch)

= replaced coil and distributor with MSD system with spark control box, separ= ate coil and distributor=E2=80=A6

= it was taken from running vehicle.=C2=A0 It's doing the same=C2=A0 thin= g as the original ignition system.

= Replaced complete wiring harness=E2=80=A6headlight to taillight with new Au= towire harness=E2=80=A6including all

= Switches and relays. Professionally done.

= Everything else electrical works without a glitch=E2=80=A6=C2=A0 we are at the wall here=E2=80=A6

=C2=A0

= Ideas, suggestions, calculated wild a** guesses welcomed=E2=80=A6=C2=A0=C2= =A0

= thanks

= =C2=A0

= john

=C2=A0

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All you have to do is glance at where the needle is to make sure the coolant temp is OK. I put one in my Datsun Roadster, along with a matching oil pressure gauge. Same ease of use. The installation was a snap using an Eqqus (IIRC) adapter set I picked up at a local O=E2=80=99R= eilly=E2=80=99s. Wiring the lights is easy, too. Just don't use the crimp-on Scotch-Locs. They=E2=80=99re likely to eventually cut your wires. Check out Posi-Loc con= nectors on Amazon or Crutchfields. HTH, Ron On Wed, May 20, 2026 at 3:58=E2=80=AFAM Douglas Shook = wrote: > Hi Tim, > > Autometer makes some very nice mechanical temperature gauges. I am using > on in one of my cars: > > Gauges - Auto Gage > > > On Tue, May 19, 2026 at 9:25=E2=80=AFPM Tim . > wrote: > >> I need to put a temperature sensor/gauge on my old Jeep. >> >> I do not like messing with electrical stuff so am hoping for a >> recommendation for an easy to install unit....one with step by steps wou= ld >> is preferred. >> >> Thanks all >> tim >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard@gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/ronnie.day@gmail.com > > --000000000000eb31eb065241d70c Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I like the AutoMeter gauges, too, particularly the larger= , 270 degree sweep mechanical versions. All you have to do is glance at whe= re the needle is to make sure the coolant temp is OK. I put one in my Datsu= n Roadster, along with a matching oil pressure=C2=A0gauge. Same ease of use= . The installation was a snap using an Eqqus (IIRC) adapter set I picked up= at a local O=E2=80=99Reilly=E2=80=99s.=C2=A0

Wiring the lights is easy, too. Just don't use th= e crimp-on Scotch-Locs. They=E2=80=99re likely to eventually cut your wires= . Check out Posi-Loc connectors on Amazon or Crutchfields.

HTH,
Ron

On Wed, May 20, 2026 at 3:58=E2=80=AFAM Douglas Shook <= ;dirtbeard@gmail.com> wrote:<= br>
Hi Tim,

Au= tometer makes some very nice mechanical temperature gauges. I am using on i= n one of my cars:

Gauges - Auto Gage

On Tue, May 19, 2026 at 9:25=E2=80=AFPM Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com> wrote:
I need to put a temperature sensor/gauge on my old Jeep.=C2=A0

I do not like messing with electrical stuff so am hoping for a recommendati= on for an easy to install unit....one with step by steps would is preferred= .=C2=A0

Thanks all
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A short would have been my gu= ess too. Or, is there any engine management device that=E2=80=99s sensitive t= o voltage and may power off at a stupidly high voltage like 11.5?

Jim

On May 20, 2026, at 2:18=E2=80=AFAM, Douglas Shook <dir= tbeard@gmail.com> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
As you know, intermittent electrical problems a= re some of the most difficult to track down.

About your only course of action is when it happens, try t= o monitor/measure all possible factors before you restart. 

Do any of the gauges or indicator = ;lights indicate any problem when it occurs? Any audible clicks or pops? Doe= s it only happen when it is hot outside, cold outside, wet outside, etc. Try= ing to find any common factor for the moment when the failure occurs could h= elp you start to track it down.

I know it seems unlikely, but if turning the ignition switch seems to s= olve the problem, it could be the ignition switch (I have had two ignition s= witches fail intermittently, so I am attentive to that possibility).

You almost have to hope that whate= ver it is that fails briefly will fail permanently so that you can trac= k it down.

<= /div>
If it always occ= urred when you hit a bump (electrical connection) or after the engine had be= en running for an hour or so (overheated component), etc., you could start t= o track things down, but it seems totally random.

On= Wed, May 20, 2026 at 1:53=E2=80=AFAM john niolon <jniolon@att.net> wrote:
Hey Moose, thanks for the reply.  Harness w= as done by a pro that does it for a living...He is meticulous.  He comp= letely strips everything
from the car then starts from a blank slate... E= verything new.. Nice looms and grommets at every hole and hides as much of i= t as he can.
 
Every component was new and oem or better... no= import crap.   I'm of the same opinion as you afa a short to grou= nd but it's gotta be hidden inside something
that we can't see.
 
Someone on my ford forum suggested putting a vo= lt meter in the circuit and watch the voltage for a drop...but you're so bus= y trying to get out of traffic and not
get plowed it's difficult to remember to watch t= he meter....   and yes this has been going on for over a year...in= termittently and even after all the changes... it persists
 
john
 
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To: shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Cc: john niolon <jniolon@att.net>
Sent: 05/19/2026 4:40:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem
John, I would have bet money it was a hidden wire short s= omewhere. It had all the Hallmarks.  But you stated the wiring harness w= hat completely replaced. So, that rules that out...

Or does it?

My question, when you said= 'headlight to taillight', that is complete.  BUT was there ANY wire th= at was in that car that wasn't part of the harness?

Something in dash, neutral swit= ch, tranny indicator, or some other component?

I'm still betting on a wire short, b= ut I guess it could be a short inside a component.  Maybe inside the al= t or other part?

BTW, I'm assuming it was doing this, before you did all these mods= , right?

Anyway, that is a stumper.

Moose



From:       &= nbsp;"john niolo= n" <jniolon@att.net<= /a>>
To:        "shop-talk" <shop-talk@autox.team.net> Da= te:        05/19/2026 13:16
Subject:        = [Shop-talk] stra= nge automotive electrical problem
Sent by:       &nbs= p;"Shop-talk" &l= t;shop= -talk-bounces@autox.team.net>


Strange automotive electrical problem we need help with= =E2=80=A6

55 chevy automatic with 383 stroker motor, carbed, p/s,= p/b,a/c

Dakota digital dash system including neutral safety swi= tch and

Transmission gear indicator

 

When it is running right, it=E2=80=99s scary strong.&nb= sp; Cruises nicely.

 

Problem=E2=80=A6 when driving the engine dies like you c= ut it off=E2=80=A6BUT will start back up

Immediately and run perfectly till the next time it doe= s it.  Might be 15 minutes=E2=80=A615 days or

three month later. Might do it 4 times in a row or once= and not repeat.  Speed does not effect it.

Engine temp does not effect it=E2=80=A6  does it h= ot or cold. With the a/c on or off.  It does not have a

Cutoff switch in the system.  Longest period with n= o failure is 7 months=E2=80=A6 shortest was 4 minutes.

 

When it stalls we checked fuel by looking in the bowl o= f carb and gas is spraying as it should

So we are assuming electrical of some sort.  So fa= r we=E2=80=99ve done the following=E2=80=A6

 

Replaced battery with new red top optima battery and al= l new battery cables (2 gauge I think)

Replaced all ground cables frame/block=E2=80=A6 frame/c= hassis with 2/0 welding cable with new crimped

connectors and clean, bare metal attachment points

replaced ignition switch (twice=E2=80=A6 first with imp= ort then with oem switch)

replaced coil and distributor with MSD system with spar= k control box, separate coil and distributor=E2=80=A6

it was taken from running vehicle.  It's doing the= same  thing as the original ignition system.

Replaced complete wiring harness=E2=80=A6headlight to t= aillight with new Autowire harness=E2=80=A6including all

Switches and relays. Professionally done.

Everything else electrical works without a glitch=E2=80= =A6  we are at the wall here=E2=80=A6

 

Ideas, suggestions, calculated wild a** guesses welcome= d=E2=80=A6  

thanks

 

john

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'99 Camaro. That did turn out to be grounding related (specifically, the grounds between the engine block and the chassis). But in my case the car almost never ran right, vs. it only occasionally having a problem. Not to say that you couldn't be on a similar path of course. Given that its fairly easy, I would definitely just run a completely new / separate grounding wire from the engine to the chassis. Maybe even one to the frame and one to whatever sheet metal your ignition stuff is mounted on / getting its ground from? I also wouldn't rule out the new harness if everything else checks out either though. You wouldn't be the first person to have a brand new thing have an issue. I assume you've carefully inspected all related connectors for a pin that's not fully seated, etc. etc? Good luck! With my Camaro after dicking with it for a year or so, I took it to a very well respected mechanic with instructions to either fix it or burn it. At that point I didn't care which way it went. :) Mark On Wed, May 20, 2026 at 1:37=E2=80=AFAM Pat Horne w= rote: > Block to frame/body ground straps? > > Pat Horne > We support Habitat for Humanity > > > On May 19, 2026, at 6:29=E2=80=AFPM, eric@megageek.com wrote: > > megageek.com > > > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/marka@maracing.com > > --00000000000088df4a0652434684 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Howdy,

I had a similar thing a long tim= e ago with a more modern car... '99 Camaro.=C2=A0 That did turn out to = be grounding related (specifically, the grounds between the engine block an= d the chassis).

But in my case the car almost never ran right, vs.= =C2=A0it only occasionally having a problem.=C2=A0 Not to say that you coul= dn't be on a similar path of course.=C2=A0 Given that its fairly easy, = I would definitely just run a completely new / separate grounding wire from= the engine to the chassis.=C2=A0 Maybe even one to the=C2=A0frame and one = to whatever sheet metal your ignition stuff is mounted=C2=A0on / getting it= s ground from?

I also wouldn't rule out the new harness if every= thing else checks out either though.=C2=A0 You wouldn't be the first pe= rson to have a brand new thing have an issue.=C2=A0 I assume you've car= efully inspected all related connectors for a pin that's not fully seat= ed, etc. etc?

Good luck!=C2=A0 With my Camaro after dicking with it = for a year or so, I took it to a very well respected mechanic with instruct= ions to either fix it or burn it.=C2=A0 At that point I didn't care whi= ch way it went.=C2=A0 :)

Mark

On Wed, May= 20, 2026 at 1:37=E2=80=AFAM Pat Horne <patintexas@icloud.com> wrote:
Block to frame/body ground = straps?

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shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============8887578235417791579== --0000000000008aa9fa06524927a4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It sounds like you are/have ruled out fuel starvation, indicating it has fuel as far as the carburetor (and presumably the cylinders), and you appear to be describing a sudden 'cut off' as opposed to the less sudden dieing out do to temporary lack of fuel. Yes? If so, it seems like it would need to be a fault in the ignition system that allows spark, then changes state to deny spark, then returns to the prior or similar state where spark gets called for, produced and delivered. ________________ Sent from my phone Best Regards, Al Fuller On Tue, May 19, 2026, 10:52=E2=80=AFPM john niolon wrote: > Hey Moose, thanks for the reply. Harness was done by a pro that does it > for a living...He is meticulous. He completely strips everything > from the car then starts from a blank slate... Everything new.. Nice loom= s > and grommets at every hole and hides as much of it as he can. > > Every component was new and oem or better... no import crap. I'm of the > same opinion as you afa a short to ground but it's gotta be hidden inside > something > that we can't see. > > Someone on my ford forum suggested putting a volt meter in the circuit an= d > watch the voltage for a drop...but you're so busy trying to get out of > traffic and not > get plowed it's difficult to remember to watch the meter.... and yes > this has been going on for over a year...intermittently and even after al= l > the changes... it persists > > john > > > *----- Original Message -----* > *From:* > *To:* shop-talk > *Cc:* john niolon > *Sent:* 05/19/2026 4:40:59 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem > ------------------------------ > John, I would have bet money it was a hidden wire short somewhere. It had > all the Hallmarks. But you stated the wiring harness what completely > replaced. So, that rules that out... > > Or does it? > > My question, when you said 'headlight to taillight', that is complete. > BUT was there ANY wire that was in that car that wasn't part of the harne= ss? > > Something in dash, neutral switch, tranny indicator, or some other > component? > > I'm still betting on a wire short, but I guess it could be a short inside > a component. Maybe inside the alt or other part? > > BTW, I'm assuming it was doing this, before you did all these mods, right= ? > > Anyway, that is a stumper. > > Moose > > > > From: "john niolon" > To: "shop-talk" > Date: 05/19/2026 13:16 > Subject: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem > Sent by: "Shop-talk" > ------------------------------ > > > Strange automotive electrical problem we need help with=E2=80=A6 > > 55 chevy automatic with 383 stroker motor, carbed, p/s,p/b,a/c > > Dakota digital dash system including neutral safety switch and > > Transmission gear indicator > > > > When it is running right, it=E2=80=99s scary strong. Cruises nicely. > > > > Problem=E2=80=A6 when driving the engine dies like you cut it off=E2=80= =A6BUT will start > back up > > Immediately and run perfectly till the next time it does it. Might be 15 > minutes=E2=80=A615 days or > > three month later. Might do it 4 times in a row or once and not repeat. > Speed does not effect it. > > Engine temp does not effect it=E2=80=A6 does it hot or cold. With the a/= c on or > off. It does not have a > > Cutoff switch in the system. Longest period with no failure is 7 months= =E2=80=A6 > shortest was 4 minutes. > > > > When it stalls we checked fuel by looking in the bowl of carb and gas is > spraying as it should > > So we are assuming electrical of some sort. So far we=E2=80=99ve done th= e > following=E2=80=A6 > > > > Replaced battery with new red top optima battery and all new battery > cables (2 gauge I think) > > Replaced all ground cables frame/block=E2=80=A6 frame/chassis with 2/0 we= lding > cable with new crimped > > connectors and clean, bare metal attachment points > > replaced ignition switch (twice=E2=80=A6 first with import then with oem = switch) > > replaced coil and distributor with MSD system with spark control box, > separate coil and distributor=E2=80=A6 > > it was taken from running vehicle. It's doing the same thing as the > original ignition system. > > Replaced complete wiring harness=E2=80=A6headlight to taillight with new = Autowire > harness=E2=80=A6including all > > Switches and relays. Professionally done. > > Everything else electrical works without a glitch=E2=80=A6 we are at the= wall > here=E2=80=A6 > > > > Ideas, suggestions, calculated wild a** guesses welcomed=E2=80=A6 > > thanks > > > > john > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eric@megageek.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/alfuller194@gmail.com > > --0000000000008aa9fa06524927a4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It sounds like you are/have ruled out fuel starvatio= n, indicating it has fuel as far as the carburetor (and presumably the cyli= nders), and you appear to be describing a sudden 'cut off' as oppos= ed to the less sudden dieing out do to temporary lack of fuel. Yes?

If so, it seems like it would n= eed to be a fault in the ignition system that allows spark, then changes st= ate to deny spark, then returns to the prior or similar state where spark g= ets called for, produced and delivered.

________________
Sent from my phone
Best Re= gards,
Al Fuller

On Tue, May 19, 2026, 10:52= =E2=80=AFPM john niolon <jniolon@att.= net> wrote:
Hey Moose, thanks for the reply.=C2=A0 Harness= was done by a pro that does it for a living...He is meticulous.=C2=A0 He c= ompletely strips everything
from the car then starts from a blank slate...= Everything new.. Nice looms and grommets at every hole and hides as much o= f it as he can.
=C2=A0
Every component was new and oem or better... n= o import crap.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I'm of the same opinion as you afa a short t= o ground but it's gotta be hidden inside something
that we can't see.
=C2=A0
Someone on my ford forum suggested putting a v= olt meter in the circuit and watch the voltage for a drop...but you're = so busy trying to get out of traffic and not
get plowed it's difficult to remember to w= atch the meter....=C2=A0=C2=A0 and yes this has been going on for over a ye= ar...intermittently and even after all the changes... it persists
=C2=A0
john
=C2=A0
= ----- Original Message -----
= To: shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
= Cc: john niolon <jniolon@att.net>
= Sent: 05/19/2026 4:40:59 PM
= Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem
John, I would have bet money it was a hidden wire short som= ewhere. It had all the Hallmarks.=C2=A0 But you stated the wiring harness w= hat completely replaced. So, that rules that out...

Or does it?

My question, when you s= aid 'headlight to taillight', that is complete.=C2=A0 BUT was there= ANY wire that was in that car that wasn't part of the harness? =

Something in = dash, neutral switch, tranny indicator, or some other component?
I'm still be= tting on a wire short, but I guess it could be a short inside a component.= =C2=A0 Maybe inside the alt or other part?

BTW, I'm assuming it was doing thi= s, before you did all these mods, right?

Anyway, that is a stumper.
Moose


From: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"john niolon" <jniolon@att.net>=
To:= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"shop-talk" <shop-talk@autox.team.net&g= t;
Date: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A005/19/2026 13:16
Subject: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0[Shop-tal= k] strange automotive electrical problem
Sent by: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0"Sho= p-talk" <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net>


Strange automotive electrical problem we need help wi= th=E2=80=A6

55 chevy automatic with 383 stroker motor, carbed, p/= s,p/b,a/c

Dakota digital dash system including neutral safety s= witch and

Transmission gear indicator

=C2=A0

When it is running right, it=E2=80=99s scary strong.= =C2=A0 Cruises nicely.

=C2=A0

Problem=E2=80=A6 when driving the engine dies like yo= u cut it off=E2=80=A6BUT will start back up

Immediately and run perfectly till the next time it d= oes it.=C2=A0 Might be 15 minutes=E2=80=A615 days or

three month later. Might do it 4 times in a row or on= ce and not repeat.=C2=A0 Speed does not effect it.

Engine temp does not effect it=E2=80=A6 =C2=A0does it= hot or cold. With the a/c on or off.=C2=A0 It does not have a

Cutoff switch in the system.=C2=A0 Longest period wit= h no failure is 7 months=E2=80=A6 shortest was 4 minutes.

=C2=A0

When it stalls we checked fuel by looking in the bowl= of carb and gas is spraying as it should

So we are assuming electrical of some sort.=C2=A0 So = far we=E2=80=99ve done the following=E2=80=A6

=C2=A0

Replaced battery with new red top optima battery and = all new battery cables (2 gauge I think)

Replaced all ground cables frame/block=E2=80=A6 frame= /chassis with 2/0 welding cable with new crimped

connectors and clean, bare metal attachment points

replaced ignition switch (twice=E2=80=A6 first with i= mport then with oem switch)

replaced coil and distributor with MSD system with sp= ark control box, separate coil and distributor=E2=80=A6

it was taken from running vehicle.=C2=A0 It's doi= ng the same =C2=A0thing as the original ignition system.

Replaced complete wiring harness=E2=80=A6headlight to= taillight with new Autowire harness=E2=80=A6including all

Switches and relays. Professionally done.

Everything else electrical works without a glitch=E2= =80=A6 =C2=A0we are at the wall here=E2=80=A6

=C2=A0

Ideas, suggestions, calculated wild a** guesses welco= med=E2=80=A6 =C2=A0

thanks

=C2=A0

john

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Is this a column shift? I'm betting the first thing that happens when the engine quits is the gear shifter gets moved. (Into neutral or park, if stopped; into neutral to coast off the road if it happens while driving...) Moving the shifter could be changing whether spark is being called for. ________________ Sent from my phone Best Regards, Al Fuller On Wed, May 20, 2026, 11:15=E2=80=AFAM watsonm05@comcast.net wrote: > Well, I've seen a lot of good suggestions but there's one part of the > problem description that hasn't been addressed: > > "...Dakota digital dash system *including neutral safety switch* and > Transmission gear indicator" > > What if the digital dash is opening the neutral safety switch when it > shouldn't? > > My wild a** guess of a suggestion for whatever it's worth (maybe exactly > what you paid for it - $0.00 ;-) ) > > Mark > ------------------------------ > *From:* Shop-talk on behalf of Mark > Andy > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2026 1:39 PM > *To:* shop-talk > *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem > > Howdy, > > I had a similar thing a long time ago with a more modern car... '99 > Camaro. That did turn out to be grounding related (specifically, the > grounds between the engine block and the chassis). > > But in my case the car almost never ran right, vs. it only occasionally > having a problem. Not to say that you couldn't be on a similar path of > course. Given that its fairly easy, I would definitely just run a > completely new / separate grounding wire from the engine to the chassis. > Maybe even one to the frame and one to whatever sheet metal your ignition > stuff is mounted on / getting its ground from? > > I also wouldn't rule out the new harness if everything else checks out > either though. You wouldn't be the first person to have a brand new thin= g > have an issue. I assume you've carefully inspected all related connector= s > for a pin that's not fully seated, etc. etc? > > Good luck! With my Camaro after dicking with it for a year or so, I took > it to a very well respected mechanic with instructions to either fix it o= r > burn it. At that point I didn't care which way it went. :) > > Mark > > On Wed, May 20, 2026 at 1:37=E2=80=AFAM Pat Horne = wrote: > > Block to frame/body ground straps? > > Pat Horne > We support Habitat for Humanity > > > On May 19, 2026, at 6:29=E2=80=AFPM, eric@megageek.com wrote: > > > > megageek.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/marka@maracing.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/alfuller194@gmail.com > > --0000000000009f8fec06524953dd Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Good point!!=C2=A0 Is this a column shift?=C2=A0

I'm betting the first t= hing that happens when the engine quits is the gear shifter gets moved. (In= to neutral or park, if stopped; into neutral to coast off the road if it ha= ppens while driving...) Moving the shifter could be changing whether spark = is being called for.

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On Wed, May 20, 2026, 11:15=E2=80=AFAM watsonm05@comcast.net <watsonm05@comcast.net> wrote:
Well, I've seen a lot of good suggestions but there's one part of t= he problem description that hasn't been addressed:

"...= Dako= ta digital dash system including neutral safety switch=C2=A0and Transmission gear in= dicator&q= uot;


What if the digital dash is opening the neutral safety switch when it shoul= dn't?

My wild a** guess of a suggestion for whatever it's worth (maybe exactl= y what you paid for it - $0.00 ;-) )

Mark
From:=C2=A0Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.= net> on behalf of Mark Andy <marka@maracing.com>
Sent:=C2=A0Wednesday, May 20, 2026 1:39 PM
To:=C2=A0shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject:=C2=A0Re: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem =

Howdy,

I had a similar thing a long time ago with a m= ore modern car... '99 Camaro.=C2=A0 That did turn out to be grounding r= elated (specifically, the grounds between the engine block and the chassis)= .

But in my case the car almost never ran right, vs.=C2=A0it only occasionall= y having a problem.=C2=A0 Not to say that you couldn't be on a similar = path of course.=C2=A0 Given that its fairly easy, I would definitely just r= un a completely new / separate grounding wire from the engine to the chassis.=C2=A0 Maybe even one to the=C2=A0frame and one = to whatever sheet metal your ignition stuff is mounted=C2=A0on / getting it= s ground from?

I also wouldn't rule out the new harness if everything else checks out = either though.=C2=A0 You wouldn't be the first person to have a brand n= ew thing have an issue.=C2=A0 I assume you've carefully inspected all r= elated connectors for a pin that's not fully seated, etc. etc?

Good luck!=C2=A0 With my Camaro after dicking with it for a year or so, I t= ook it to a very well respected mechanic with instructions to either fix it= or burn it.=C2=A0 At that point I didn't care which way it went.=C2=A0= :)

Mark

On Wed, May 20, 2026 at 1:37=E2=80=AFAM Pat Ho= rne <patintexas@icloud.com> wrote:
Block to frame/body ground straps?

Pat Horne=C2=A0
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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID f0f78ee5e685f337e57ec6fbb009feb7; Thu, 21 May 2026 02:40:46 +0000 (UTC) From: "john niolon" To: "Al Fuller" , "shop-talk" Date: Wed, 20 May 2026 21:40:45 -0500 References: <1UnBneR6qa.3d2D7KD7xbr.ref@johns-desktop> <1UnBneR6qa.3d2D7KD7xbr@johns-desktop> <1UnBnkX8BR.57rBpz4bNnF@johns-desktop> User-Agent: OEClassic/5.4 (Win10.19045; P; 2026-04-04) mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1005877512290379745== --------------050700060403050207010301 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline yes Al... it shuts down like you turned off the ignition... now a starvin= g=20 type dying =20 as for moving the shift lever to neutral... that is the first thing done to= =20 keep momentum to get it off the road... As far as going into park... it ha= s=20 never failed while sitting still or parked,=20 it's always when moving. =20 Jim... this is a custom street rod and other than maybe the spark control b= ox not sensing enough voltage there are no other sensors. =20 Jeff, both us and the wiring guru have tried to check every connection tha= t might be suspect and found nothing, but we're=20 not ruling out a pin slipping back inside a connector like David suggested.= =2E. I've had that happen in my truck... it was the devil to find. something t= o check... =20 Thanks all for the advice and suggestions guys... I wish the dang thing w= ould just fail completely and stay that way... maybe even make some smoke (= just a little) At least we'd=20 have a failure point instead of a gremlin like this. =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: Al Fuller To: john niolon Cc: , shop-talk Sent: 05/20/2026 7:39:57 PM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem It sounds like you are/have ruled out fuel starvation, indicating it has fu= el=20 as far as the carburetor (and presumably the cylinders), and you appear to = be=20 describing a sudden 'cut off' as opposed to the less sudden dieing out do t= o=20 temporary lack of fuel. Yes? If so, it seems like it would need to be a fault in the ignition system tha= t=20 allows spark, then changes state to deny spark, then returns to the prior o= r=20 similar state where spark gets called for, produced and delivered. ________________ Sent from my phone=20 Best Regards, Al Fuller On Tue, May 19, 2026, 10:52=E2=80=AFPM john niolon wrote: Hey Moose, thanks for the reply. Harness was done by a pro that does it fo= r a=20 living...He is meticulous. He completely strips everything from the car then starts from a blank slate... Everything new.. Nice looms = and=20 grommets at every hole and hides as much of it as he can. =20 Every component was new and oem or better... no import crap. =20 I'm of the same opinion as you afa a short to ground but it's gotta be hidd= en=20 inside something that we=20 can't see. =20 Someone on my ford forum suggested putting a volt meter in the circuit and = watch the voltage for a drop...but you're=20 so busy trying to get out of traffic and not get plowed=20 it's difficult to remember to watch the meter.... and yes this has been g= oing on for over a year...intermittently and even after all the changes... = it persists =20 john =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: shop-talk Cc: john niolon Sent: 05/19/2026 4:40:59 PM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem John, I would have bet money it was a hidden wire short somewhere. It had a= ll the Hallmarks. But you stated the wiring harness what completely replac= ed. So, that rules that out...=20 Or does it?=20 My question, when you said 'headlight=20 to=20 taillight', that is complete. BUT was there ANY wire that was in that car = that wasn't=20 part of the harness?=20 Something in dash, neutral switch, tranny indicator, or some other componen= t?=20 I'm still betting on a wire short, but I guess it could be a short inside a= component. Maybe inside the alt or other part?=20 BTW, I'm=20 assuming it was doing this, before you did all these mods, right?=20 Anyway, that is a stumper.=20 Moose=20 From: "john niolon" =20 To: "shop-talk" =20 Date: 05/19/2026 13:16=20 Subject: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem=20 Sent by: "Shop-talk" =20 Strange automotive electrical problem we need help with=E2=80=A6 55 chevy automatic with 383 stroker motor, carbed, p/s,p/b,a/c Dakota digital dash system including neutral safety switch and Transmission gear indicator =20 When it is running right, it=E2=80=99s scary strong. Cruises nicely. =20 Problem=E2=80=A6 when driving the engine dies like you cut it off=E2=80=A6B= UT will start back up Immediately and run perfectly till the next time it does it. Might be 15= =20 minutes=E2=80=A615 days or three month later. Might do it 4 times in a row or once and not repeat. Sp= eed=20 does not effect it.=20 Engine temp does not effect it=E2=80=A6 does it hot or cold. With the a/c = on or off. =20 It does not have a Cutoff switch in the system. Longest period with no failure is 7 months=E2= =80=A6=20 shortest was 4 minutes. =20 When it stalls we checked fuel by looking in the bowl of carb and gas is=20 spraying as it should So we are assuming electrical of some sort. So far we=E2=80=99ve done the = following=E2=80=A6 =20 Replaced battery with new red top optima battery and all new battery cables= (2=20 gauge I think) Replaced all ground cables frame/block=E2=80=A6 frame/chassis with 2/0 weld= ing cable=20 with new crimped connectors and clean, bare metal attachment points replaced ignition switch (twice=E2=80=A6 first with import then with oem sw= itch) replaced coil and distributor with MSD system with spark control box, separ= ate=20 coil and distributor=E2=80=A6 it was taken from running vehicle. It's doing the same thing as the origi= nal ignition system. Replaced complete wiring harness=E2=80=A6headlight to taillight with new Au= towire harness=E2=80=A6including all Switches and relays. Professionally done. Everything else electrical works without a glitch=E2=80=A6 we are at the w= all here=E2=80=A6 =20 Ideas, suggestions, calculated wild a** guesses welcomed=E2=80=A6 =20 thanks =20 john _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arch= ive gageek.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arch= ive r194@gmail.com --------------050700060403050207010301 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
yes  Al...  it shuts down like you t= urned off the ignition... now a starving type dying
 
as for moving the shift lever to neutral... th= at is the first thing done to keep momentum to get it off the road... = As far as going into park... it has never failed while sitting still or pa= rked, it's always when moving.
 
Jim... this is a custom street rod and other t= han maybe the spark control box not sensing enough voltage there are no oth= er sensors.
 
Jeff,  both us and the wiring guru have t= ried to check every connection that might be suspect and found nothing, but= we're not ruling out a pin slipping back inside a connector like David sug= gested...
I've had that happen in my truck... it was the= devil to find.   something to check...
 
Thanks all for the advice and suggestions guys= =2E..   I wish the dang thing would just fail completely and stay= that way... maybe even make some smoke (just a little)  At least we'd= have a failure point instead of
a gremlin like this.
 
= ----- Original Message -----
= From: Al Fuller <alfuller19= 4@gmail.com>
= To: john niolon <jniolon@att.net<= /A>>
= Sent: 05/20/2026 7:39:57 PM
= Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem
It sounds like you are/have ruled out fuel starvation, indicating it h= as fuel as far as the carburetor (and presumably the cylinders), and you ap= pear to be describing a sudden 'cut off' as opposed to the less sudden diei= ng out do to temporary lack of fuel. Yes?

If so, it seems like it would need to be a fault in the ignition syste= m that allows spark, then changes state to deny spark, then returns to the = prior or similar state where spark gets called for, produced and delivered.=

________________
Sent from my ph= one
Best Regards,
Al Fuller

On Tue, May 19, 2026, 10:52=E2=80=AFPM jo= hn niolon <jniolon@att.net> wr= ote:
Hey Moose, thanks for the reply.  Harness= was done by a pro that does it for a living...He is meticulous.  He c= ompletely strips everything
from the car then starts from a blank slate...= Everything new.. Nice looms and grommets at every hole and hides as much o= f it as he can.
 
Every component was new and oem or better... n= o import crap.   I'm of the same opinion as you afa a short to gr= ound but it's gotta be hidden inside something
that we can't see.
 
Someone on my ford forum suggested putting a v= olt meter in the circuit and watch the voltage for a drop...but you're so b= usy trying to get out of traffic and not
get plowed it's difficult to remember to watch= the meter....   and yes this has been going on for over a year..= =2Eintermittently and even after all the changes... it persists
 
john
 
= ----- Original Message -----
= To: shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
= Cc: john niolon <jniolon@att.net>
= Sent: 05/19/2026 4:40:59 PM
= Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem
John, I would have bet money it was a hidden wire short= somewhere. It had all the Hallmarks.  But you stated the wiring harne= ss what completely replaced. So, that rules that out...

Or does it?
My question, = when you said 'headlight to taillight', that is complete.  BUT was the= re ANY wire that was in that car that wasn't part of the harness?
Something in= dash, neutral switch, tranny indicator, or some other component?
I'm still be= tting on a wire short, but I guess it could be a short inside a component.&= nbsp; Maybe inside the alt or other part?

BTW, I'm assuming it was doing this,= before you did all these mods, right?

Anyway, that is a stumper.
<= BR>Moose


From:        "john niolon" <jniolon@att.net> <= BR>= To:        "shop-talk" <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Date:        05/19/2026 13:16
Subject:     &nb= sp;  [S= hop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem
Sent by:   &nb= sp;    "Shop-talk" <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net>


Strange automotive electrical problem we need h= elp with=E2=80=A6

55 chevy automatic with 383 stroker motor, carb= ed, p/s,p/b,a/c

Dakota digital dash system including neutral sa= fety switch and

Transmission gear indicator

 

When it is running right, it=E2=80=99s scary st= rong.  Cruises nicely.

 

Problem=E2=80=A6 when driving the engine dies l= ike you cut it off=E2=80=A6BUT will start back up

Immediately and run perfectly till the next tim= e it does it.  Might be 15 minutes=E2=80=A615 days or

three month later. Might do it 4 times in a row= or once and not repeat.  Speed does not effect it.

Engine temp does not effect it=E2=80=A6  d= oes it hot or cold. With the a/c on or off.  It does not have a=

Cutoff switch in the system.  Longest peri= od with no failure is 7 months=E2=80=A6 shortest was 4 minutes.

 

When it stalls we checked fuel by looking in th= e bowl of carb and gas is spraying as it should

So we are assuming electrical of some sort.&nbs= p; So far we=E2=80=99ve done the following=E2=80=A6

 

Replaced battery with new red top optima batter= y and all new battery cables (2 gauge I think)

Replaced all ground cables frame/block=E2=80=A6= frame/chassis with 2/0 welding cable with new crimped

connectors and clean, bare metal attachment poi= nts

replaced ignition switch (twice=E2=80=A6 first = with import then with oem switch)

replaced coil and distributor with MSD system w= ith spark control box, separate coil and distributor=E2=80=A6

it was taken from running vehicle.  It's d= oing the same  thing as the original ignition system.

Replaced complete wiring harness=E2=80=A6headli= ght to taillight with new Autowire harness=E2=80=A6including all

Switches and relays. Professionally done.

Everything else electrical works without a glit= ch=E2=80=A6  we are at the wall here=E2=80=A6

 

Ideas, suggestions, calculated wild a** guesses= welcomed=E2=80=A6  

thanks

 

john

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Dave=20 =20 On Wednesday, May 20, 2026 at 07:46:47 PM CDT, Al Fuller wrote: =20 It sounds like you are/have ruled out fuel starvation, indicating it has f= uel as far as the carburetor (and presumably the cylinders), and you appear= to be describing a sudden 'cut off' as opposed to the less sudden dieing o= ut do to temporary lack of fuel. Yes? If so, it seems like it would need to be a fault in the ignition system tha= t allows spark, then changes state to deny spark, then returns to the prior= or similar state where spark gets called for, produced and delivered. ________________ Sent from my phone=20 Best Regards, Al Fuller On Tue, May 19, 2026, 10:52=E2=80=AFPM john niolon wrote: Hey Moose, thanks for the reply.=C2=A0 Harness was done by a pro that does = it for a living...He is meticulous.=C2=A0 He completely strips everythingfr= om the car then starts from a blank slate... Everything new.. Nice looms an= d grommets at every hole and hides as much of it as he can.=C2=A0Every comp= onent was new and oem or better... no import crap.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I'm of the s= ame opinion as you afa a short to ground but it's gotta be hidden inside so= methingthat we can't see.=C2=A0Someone on my ford forum suggested putting a= volt meter in the circuit and watch the voltage for a drop...but you're so= busy trying to get out of traffic and notget plowed it's difficult to reme= mber to watch the meter....=C2=A0=C2=A0 and yes this has been going on for = over a year...intermittently and even after all the changes... it persists= =C2=A0john=C2=A0 ----- Original Message -----From: To: shop-talk Cc: john niolon Sent: 05/19/2026 4:40:59= PMSubject: Re: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problemJohn, I wo= uld have bet money it was a hidden wire short somewhere. It had all the Hal= lmarks.=C2=A0 But you stated the wiring harness what completely replaced. S= o, that rules that out...=20 Or does it?=20 My question, when you said 'headlight to taillight', that is complete.=C2= =A0 BUT was there ANY wire that was in that car that wasn't part of the har= ness?=20 Something in dash, neutral switch, tranny indicator, or some other componen= t?=20 I'm still betting on a wire short, but I guess it could be a short inside a= component.=C2=A0 Maybe inside the alt or other part?=20 BTW, I'm assuming it was doing this, before you did all these mods, right?= =20 Anyway, that is a stumper.=20 Moose=20 From: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"john niolon" =20 To: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"shop-talk" =20 Date: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A005/19/2026 13:16=20 Subject: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[Shop-talk] strange automotive electric= al problem=20 Sent by: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"Shop-talk" =20 Strange automotive electrical problem we need help with=E2=80=A6 55 chevy automatic with 383 stroker motor, carbed, p/s,p/b,a/c Dakota digital dash system including neutral safety switch and Transmission gear indicator =C2=A0 When it is running right, it=E2=80=99s scary strong.=C2=A0 Cruises nicely. =C2=A0 Problem=E2=80=A6 when driving the engine dies like you cut it off=E2=80=A6B= UT will start back up Immediately and run perfectly till the next time it does it.=C2=A0 Might be= 15 minutes=E2=80=A615 days or three month later. Might do it 4 times in a row or once and not repeat.=C2= =A0 Speed does not effect it.=20 Engine temp does not effect it=E2=80=A6 =C2=A0does it hot or cold. With the= a/c on or off.=C2=A0 It does not have a Cutoff switch in the system.=C2=A0 Longest period with no failure is 7 mont= hs=E2=80=A6 shortest was 4 minutes. =C2=A0 When it stalls we checked fuel by looking in the bowl of carb and gas is sp= raying as it should So we are assuming electrical of some sort.=C2=A0 So far we=E2=80=99ve done= the following=E2=80=A6 =C2=A0 Replaced battery with new red top optima battery and all new battery cables= (2 gauge I think) Replaced all ground cables frame/block=E2=80=A6 frame/chassis with 2/0 weld= ing cable with new crimped connectors and clean, bare metal attachment points replaced ignition switch (twice=E2=80=A6 first with import then with oem sw= itch) replaced coil and distributor with MSD system with spark control box, separ= ate coil and distributor=E2=80=A6 it was taken from running vehicle.=C2=A0 It's doing the same =C2=A0thing as= the original ignition system. Replaced complete wiring harness=E2=80=A6headlight to taillight with new Au= towire harness=E2=80=A6including all Switches and relays. Professionally done. Everything else electrical works without a glitch=E2=80=A6 =C2=A0we are at = the wall here=E2=80=A6 =C2=A0 Ideas, suggestions, calculated wild a** guesses welcomed=E2=80=A6 =C2=A0=20 thanks =C2=A0 john =C2=A0_______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arch= ive gageek.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arch= ive r194@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arch= ive ssey@cs.com =20 ------=_Part_4158816_1396398106.1779360953371 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Check the easy stuff first.  If you sus= pect the ignition, swap in a new rotor.  Easy cheap and if it doesn't = fix it, you can rule that out and move on.

Dave




=20
=20
On Wednesday, May 20, 2026 at 07:46:47 PM CDT, Al F= uller <alfuller194@gmail.com> wrote:


It= sounds like you are/have ruled out fuel starvation, indicating it has fuel= as far as the carburetor (and presumably the cylinders), and you appear to= be describing a sudden 'cut off' as opposed to the less sudden dieing out = do to temporary lack of fuel. Yes?

= If so, it seems like it would need to be a fault in the ignition system tha= t allows spark, then changes state to deny spark, then returns to the prior= or similar state where spark gets called for, produced and delivered.

________________
Sent= from my phone
Best Regards,
Al Fuller=

On Tue, May 19, 2= 026, 10:52=E2=80=AFPM john niolon <jniolon@att.net> wro= te:
Hey Moose, thanks for the reply.  Harness= was done by a pro that does it for a living...He is meticulous.  He c= ompletely strips everything
from the car then starts from a blank slate...= Everything new.. Nice looms and grommets at every hole and hides as much o= f it as he can.
 
Every component was new and oem or better... n= o import crap.   I'm of the same opinion as you afa a short to gr= ound but it's gotta be hidden inside something
that we can't see.
 
Someone on my ford forum suggested putting a v= olt meter in the circuit and watch the voltage for a drop...but you're so b= usy trying to get out of traffic and not
get plowed it's difficult to remember to watch= the meter....   and yes this has been going on for over a year..= .intermittently and even after all the changes... it persists
 
john
 
----= - Original Message -----
To:<= /b> shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Cc:<= /b> john niolon <jniolon@att.net>
Sent= : 05/19/2026 4:40:59 PM
Subj= ect: Re: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem
John, I would have bet money it was a hidden wire short somewhere= . It had all the Hallmarks.  But you stated the wiring harness what co= mpletely replaced. So, that rules that out...
Or d= oes it?

My question, when you said 'headlight to t= aillight', that is complete.  BUT was there ANY wire that was in that = car that wasn't part of the harness?

Something in = dash, neutral switch, tranny indicator, or some other component?
I'm still betting on a wire short, but I guess it could be a= short inside a component.  Maybe inside the alt or other part?=

BTW, I'm assuming it was doing this, before you did all = these mods, right?

Anyway, that is a stumper.

Moose


From:        "john niolon" <jniolon@att.net>
To:        = ;"shop-talk" &= lt;shop-talk@autox.team.net>
D= ate:        05/19/2026 13:16
Subject:    = ;    [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem
Sent = by:        "Shop-talk" <shop-talk-bounc= es@autox.team.net>


Strange automotive electrical problem we need help = with=E2=80=A6

55 chevy automatic with 383 stroker motor, carbed, = p/s,p/b,a/c

Dakota digital dash system including neutral safety= switch and

Transmission gear indicator

 

When it is running right, it=E2=80=99s scary strong= .  Cruises nicely.

 

Problem=E2=80=A6 when driving the engine dies like = you cut it off=E2=80=A6BUT will start back up

Immediately and run perfectly till the next time it= does it.  Might be 15 minutes=E2=80=A615 days or

three month later. Might do it 4 times in a row or = once and not repeat.  Speed does not effect it.

Engine temp does not effect it=E2=80=A6  does = it hot or cold. With the a/c on or off.  It does not have a

Cutoff switch in the system.  Longest period w= ith no failure is 7 months=E2=80=A6 shortest was 4 minutes.

 

When it stalls we checked fuel by looking in the bo= wl of carb and gas is spraying as it should

So we are assuming electrical of some sort.  S= o far we=E2=80=99ve done the following=E2=80=A6

 

Replaced battery with new red top optima battery an= d all new battery cables (2 gauge I think)

Replaced all ground cables frame/block=E2=80=A6 fra= me/chassis with 2/0 welding cable with new crimped

connectors and clean, bare metal attachment points<= /span>

replaced ignition switch (twice=E2=80=A6 first with= import then with oem switch)

replaced coil and distributor with MSD system with = spark control box, separate coil and distributor=E2=80=A6

it was taken from running vehicle.  It's doing= the same  thing as the original ignition system.

Replaced complete wiring harness=E2=80=A6headlight = to taillight with new Autowire harness=E2=80=A6including all

Switches and relays. Professionally done.

Everything else electrical works without a glitch= =E2=80=A6  we are at the wall here=E2=80=A6

 

Ideas, suggestions, calculated wild a** guesses wel= comed=E2=80=A6  

thanks

 

john

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If it shuts down like the ignition was cut off, I'll go out on a limb and say ... The ignition was cut off somewhere. I'd work backwards from the cylinders, checking for single failure points. (For instance, a single bad spark plug or secondary wire won't shut down the whole engine, but an intermittent ground at a distributor or spark pack might just.) Btw, is this a points engine or electronic? ________________ Sent from my phone Best Regards, Al Fuller On Wed, May 20, 2026, 7:40=E2=80=AFPM john niolon wrote: > yes Al... it shuts down like you turned off the ignition... now a > starving type dying > > as for moving the shift lever to neutral... that is the first thing done > to keep momentum to get it off the road... As far as going into park... = it > has never failed while sitting still or parked, it's always when moving. > > Jim... this is a custom street rod and other than maybe the spark control > box not sensing enough voltage there are no other sensors. > > Jeff, both us and the wiring guru have tried to check every connection > that might be suspect and found nothing, but we're not ruling out a pin > slipping back inside a connector like David suggested... > I've had that happen in my truck... it was the devil to find. something > to check... > > Thanks all for the advice and suggestions guys... I wish the dang thing > would just fail completely and stay that way... maybe even make some smok= e > (just a little) At least we'd have a failure point instead of > a gremlin like this. > > > *----- Original Message -----* > *From:* Al Fuller > *To:* john niolon > *Cc:* , shop-talk > *Sent:* 05/20/2026 7:39:57 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem > ------------------------------ > It sounds like you are/have ruled out fuel starvation, indicating it has > fuel as far as the carburetor (and presumably the cylinders), and you > appear to be describing a sudden 'cut off' as opposed to the less sudden > dieing out do to temporary lack of fuel. Yes? > > If so, it seems like it would need to be a fault in the ignition system > that allows spark, then changes state to deny spark, then returns to the > prior or similar state where spark gets called for, produced and delivere= d. > > ________________ > Sent from my phone > Best Regards, > Al Fuller > > On Tue, May 19, 2026, 10:52=E2=80=AFPM john niolon wrot= e: > >> Hey Moose, thanks for the reply. Harness was done by a pro that does it >> for a living...He is meticulous. He completely strips everything >> from the car then starts from a blank slate... Everything new.. Nice >> looms and grommets at every hole and hides as much of it as he can. >> >> Every component was new and oem or better... no import crap. I'm of th= e >> same opinion as you afa a short to ground but it's gotta be hidden insid= e >> something >> that we can't see. >> >> Someone on my ford forum suggested putting a volt meter in the circuit >> and watch the voltage for a drop...but you're so busy trying to get out = of >> traffic and not >> get plowed it's difficult to remember to watch the meter.... and yes >> this has been going on for over a year...intermittently and even after a= ll >> the changes... it persists >> >> john >> >> >> *----- Original Message -----* >> *From:* >> *To:* shop-talk >> *Cc:* john niolon >> *Sent:* 05/19/2026 4:40:59 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem >> ------------------------------ >> John, I would have bet money it was a hidden wire short somewhere. It ha= d >> all the Hallmarks. But you stated the wiring harness what completely >> replaced. So, that rules that out... >> >> Or does it? >> >> My question, when you said 'headlight to taillight', that is complete. >> BUT was there ANY wire that was in that car that wasn't part of the harn= ess? >> >> Something in dash, neutral switch, tranny indicator, or some other >> component? >> >> I'm still betting on a wire short, but I guess it could be a short insid= e >> a component. Maybe inside the alt or other part? >> >> BTW, I'm assuming it was doing this, before you did all these mods, >> right? >> >> Anyway, that is a stumper. >> >> Moose >> >> >> >> From: "john niolon" >> To: "shop-talk" >> Date: 05/19/2026 13:16 >> Subject: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem >> Sent by: "Shop-talk" >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> Strange automotive electrical problem we need help with=E2=80=A6 >> >> 55 chevy automatic with 383 stroker motor, carbed, p/s,p/b,a/c >> >> Dakota digital dash system including neutral safety switch and >> >> Transmission gear indicator >> >> >> >> When it is running right, it=E2=80=99s scary strong. Cruises nicely. >> >> >> >> Problem=E2=80=A6 when driving the engine dies like you cut it off=E2=80= =A6BUT will start >> back up >> >> Immediately and run perfectly till the next time it does it. Might be 1= 5 >> minutes=E2=80=A615 days or >> >> three month later. Might do it 4 times in a row or once and not repeat. >> Speed does not effect it. >> >> Engine temp does not effect it=E2=80=A6 does it hot or cold. With the a= /c on or >> off. It does not have a >> >> Cutoff switch in the system. Longest period with no failure is 7 months= =E2=80=A6 >> shortest was 4 minutes. >> >> >> >> When it stalls we checked fuel by looking in the bowl of carb and gas is >> spraying as it should >> >> So we are assuming electrical of some sort. So far we=E2=80=99ve done t= he >> following=E2=80=A6 >> >> >> >> Replaced battery with new red top optima battery and all new battery >> cables (2 gauge I think) >> >> Replaced all ground cables frame/block=E2=80=A6 frame/chassis with 2/0 w= elding >> cable with new crimped >> >> connectors and clean, bare metal attachment points >> >> replaced ignition switch (twice=E2=80=A6 first with import then with oem= switch) >> >> replaced coil and distributor with MSD system with spark control box, >> separate coil and distributor=E2=80=A6 >> >> it was taken from running vehicle. It's doing the same thing as the >> original ignition system. >> >> Replaced complete wiring harness=E2=80=A6headlight to taillight with new= Autowire >> harness=E2=80=A6including all >> >> Switches and relays. Professionally done. >> >> Everything else electrical works without a glitch=E2=80=A6 we are at th= e wall >> here=E2=80=A6 >> >> >> >> Ideas, suggestions, calculated wild a** guesses welcomed=E2=80=A6 >> >> thanks >> >> >> >> john >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eric@megageek.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/alfuller194@gmail.com >> >> --000000000000dec8e906525d541a Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok. If it shuts down like the ignition was cut off, = I'll go out on a limb and say ... The ignition was cut off somewhere. I= 'd work backwards from the cylinders, checking for single failure point= s. (For instance, a single bad spark plug or secondary wire won't shut = down the whole engine, but an intermittent ground at a distributor or spark= pack might just.)

Btw, = is this a points engine or electronic?

________________
Sent from my phone
Best Reg= ards,
Al Fuller

On Wed, May 20, 2026, 7:40=E2= =80=AFPM john niolon <jniolon@att.net= > wrote:
yes =C2=A0Al...=C2=A0 it shuts down like you t= urned off the ignition... now a starving type dying
=C2=A0
as for moving the shift lever to neutral... th= at is the first thing done to keep momentum to get it off the road...=C2=A0= As far as going into park... it has never failed while sitting still or pa= rked, it's always when moving.
=C2=A0
Jim... this is a custom street rod and other t= han maybe the spark control box not sensing enough voltage there are no oth= er sensors.
=C2=A0
Jeff,=C2=A0 both us and the wiring guru have t= ried to check every connection that might be suspect and found nothing, but= we're not ruling out a pin slipping back inside a connector like David= suggested...
I've had that happen in my truck... it was= the devil to find.=C2=A0=C2=A0 something to check...
=C2=A0
Thanks all for the advice and suggestions guys= ...=C2=A0=C2=A0 I wish the dang thing would just fail completely and stay t= hat way... maybe even make some smoke (just a little)=C2=A0 At least we'= ;d have a failure point instead of
a gremlin like this.
=C2=A0
= ----- Original Message -----
= From: Al Fuller <alfuller194@gmail.com>
= To: john niolon <jniolon@att.net>
= Sent: 05/20/2026 7:39:57 PM
= Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem
It sounds like you are/have ruled out fuel starvation, indicating it h= as fuel as far as the carburetor (and presumably the cylinders), and you ap= pear to be describing a sudden 'cut off' as opposed to the less sud= den dieing out do to temporary lack of fuel. Yes?

If so, it seems like it would need to be a fault in the ignition syste= m that allows spark, then changes state to deny spark, then returns to the = prior or similar state where spark gets called for, produced and delivered.=

________________
Sent from my ph= one
Best Regards,
Al Fuller

On Tue, May 19, 2026, 10:52=E2=80=AFP= M john niolon <jniolon@att.net> wrote:
Hey Moose, thanks for the reply.=C2=A0 Harness= was done by a pro that does it for a living...He is meticulous.=C2=A0 He c= ompletely strips everything
from the car then starts from a blank slate...= Everything new.. Nice looms and grommets at every hole and hides as much o= f it as he can.
=C2=A0
Every component was new and oem or better... n= o import crap.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I'm of the same opinion as you afa a short t= o ground but it's gotta be hidden inside something
that we can't see.
=C2=A0
Someone on my ford forum suggested putting a v= olt meter in the circuit and watch the voltage for a drop...but you're = so busy trying to get out of traffic and not
get plowed it's difficult to remember to w= atch the meter....=C2=A0=C2=A0 and yes this has been going on for over a ye= ar...intermittently and even after all the changes... it persists
=C2=A0
john
=C2=A0
= ----- Original Message -----
= To: shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net><= /div>
= Cc: john niolon <jniolon@att.net>
= Sent: 05/19/2026 4:40:59 PM
= Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem
John, I would have bet money it was a hidden wire short som= ewhere. It had all the Hallmarks.=C2=A0 But you stated the wiring harness w= hat completely replaced. So, that rules that out...

Or does it?

My question, when you s= aid 'headlight to taillight', that is complete.=C2=A0 BUT was there= ANY wire that was in that car that wasn't part of the harness? =

Something in = dash, neutral switch, tranny indicator, or some other component?
I'm still be= tting on a wire short, but I guess it could be a short inside a component.= =C2=A0 Maybe inside the alt or other part?

BTW, I'm assuming it was doing thi= s, before you did all these mods, right?

Anyway, that is a stumper.
Moose


From: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"john niolon" <jniolon@att.net= >
To: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"shop-talk" <shop-tal= k@autox.team.net>
Date: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A005/19/2026 13:16
<= span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:9pt;FONT-FAMILY:sans-serif;COLOR:#5f5f5f">Subject: = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[Shop-talk] strange automotive electrical problem
Sent by: = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"Shop-talk" <shop-talk-bo= unces@autox.team.net>


Strange automotive electrical problem we need help wi= th=E2=80=A6

55 chevy automatic with 383 stroker motor, carbed, p/= s,p/b,a/c

Dakota digital dash system including neutral safety s= witch and

Transmission gear indicator

=C2=A0

When it is running right, it=E2=80=99s scary strong.= =C2=A0 Cruises nicely.

=C2=A0

Problem=E2=80=A6 when driving the engine dies like yo= u cut it off=E2=80=A6BUT will start back up

Immediately and run perfectly till the next time it d= oes it.=C2=A0 Might be 15 minutes=E2=80=A615 days or

three month later. Might do it 4 times in a row or on= ce and not repeat.=C2=A0 Speed does not effect it.

Engine temp does not effect it=E2=80=A6 =C2=A0does it= hot or cold. With the a/c on or off.=C2=A0 It does not have a

Cutoff switch in the system.=C2=A0 Longest period wit= h no failure is 7 months=E2=80=A6 shortest was 4 minutes.

=C2=A0

When it stalls we checked fuel by looking in the bowl= of carb and gas is spraying as it should

So we are assuming electrical of some sort.=C2=A0 So = far we=E2=80=99ve done the following=E2=80=A6

=C2=A0

Replaced battery with new red top optima battery and = all new battery cables (2 gauge I think)

Replaced all ground cables frame/block=E2=80=A6 frame= /chassis with 2/0 welding cable with new crimped

connectors and clean, bare metal attachment points

replaced ignition switch (twice=E2=80=A6 first with i= mport then with oem switch)

replaced coil and distributor with MSD system with sp= ark control box, separate coil and distributor=E2=80=A6

it was taken from running vehicle.=C2=A0 It's doi= ng the same =C2=A0thing as the original ignition system.

Replaced complete wiring harness=E2=80=A6headlight to= taillight with new Autowire harness=E2=80=A6including all

Switches and relays. Professionally done.

Everything else electrical works without a glitch=E2= =80=A6 =C2=A0we are at the wall here=E2=80=A6

=C2=A0

Ideas, suggestions, calculated wild a** guesses welco= med=E2=80=A6 =C2=A0

thanks

=C2=A0

john

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