Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] OT IT question

From: Douglas Shook <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2026 16:34:31 +0000

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You do not need to defrag solid state drives as there are no moving parts. =
The consensus is that repeated defragging actually can harm them over time.

There is a TRIM function in Windows II that optimizes solid state drives, b=
ut you do not need to run defrag, particularly aftermarket utility defrags =
on solid state drives.
________________________________
From: Shop-talk <[email-masked]> on behalf of Tim . <tims=
[email-masked]>
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2026 6:19 AM
To: Shop Talk <[email-masked]>
Subject: [Shop-talk] OT IT question

Shop content first: this old laptop will be my shop computer once I set up =
my new laptop that is sitting in the dining room right now.

I have a 5+ year old laptop that was (forced) to be "upgraded" to Win11 las=
t fall when support for 10 was discontinued.

It's been running slower than normal so I've been doing some maintenance cl=
ean up stuff.

While doing a defrag I clicked on advanced view and saw this:

The bottom "drive" said had a message that is had been over 60 days since o=
ptimization (or some such wording).

My question is: what is this bottom volume? I cannot seem to find it in win=
dows (a google search turned up the expected nothing). My IT education stop=
ped at XP and 2000 so am way out of touch.

Thanks
tim

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You do not need to defrag solid state drives as there are no moving parts. =
The consensus is that repeated defragging actually can harm them over time.=
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There is a TRIM function in Windows II that optimizes solid state drives, b=
ut you do not need to run defrag, particularly aftermarket utility defrags =
on solid state drives.</div>
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[email-masked]&gt; on behalf of Tim . &lt;tims_datsun_stuff@outl=
ook.com&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, April 11, 2026 6:19 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Shop Talk &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Shop-talk] OT IT question</font>
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Shop content first: this old laptop will be my shop computer once I set up =
my new laptop that is sitting in the dining room right now.&nbsp;</div>
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I have a 5+ year old laptop that was (forced) to be &quot;upgraded&quot; to=
 Win11 last fall when support for 10 was discontinued.&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"x_elementToProof" style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans=
-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div class=3D"x_elementToProof" style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans=
-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
It's been running slower than normal so I've been doing some maintenance cl=
ean up stuff.&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"x_elementToProof" style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans=
-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div class=3D"x_elementToProof" style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans=
-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
While doing a defrag I clicked on advanced view and saw this:&nbsp;</div>
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The bottom &quot;drive&quot; said had a message that is had been over 60 da=
ys since optimization (or some such wording).</div>
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My question is: what is this bottom volume? I cannot seem to find it in win=
dows (a google search turned up the expected nothing). My IT education stop=
ped at XP and 2000 so am way out of touch.&nbsp;</div>
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Thanks</div>
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From: "Tim ." <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2026 19:34:59 +0000

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I used "defrag" because I am somewhat old school.

When I ran the utility it was actually "trim", not defrag. Defrag is not an=
 option on the screen I see.

________________________________
From: Douglas Shook <[email-masked]>
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2026 11:34 AM
To: Tim . <[email-masked]>; Shop Talk <[email-masked].=
net>
Subject: Re: OT IT question

Thanks
tim

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I used &quot;defrag&quot; because I am somewhat old school.&nbsp;</div>
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s-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
When I ran the utility it was actually &quot;trim&quot;, not defrag. Defrag=
 is not an option on the screen I see.&nbsp;</div>
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yle=3D"font-size:11pt" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> Douglas Shook &lt;dir=
[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, April 11, 2026 11:34 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Tim . &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Shop Talk &lt;shop-=
[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: OT IT question</font>
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You do not need to defrag solid state drives as there are no moving parts. =
The consensus is that repeated defragging actually can harm them over time.=
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rgb(0,0,0)">
There is a TRIM function in Windows II that optimizes solid state drives, b=
ut you do not need to run defrag, particularly aftermarket utility defrags =
on solid state drives.</div>
<div id=3D"x_appendonsend"></div>
<hr tabindex=3D"-1" style=3D"display:inline-block; width:98%">
<div id=3D"x_divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" =
color=3D"#000000" style=3D"font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> Shop-talk &lt;shop-=
[email-masked]&gt; on behalf of Tim . &lt;tims_datsun_stuff@ou=
tlook.com&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, April 11, 2026 6:19 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Shop Talk &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Shop-talk] OT IT question</font>
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Shop content first: this old laptop will be my shop computer once I set up =
my new laptop that is sitting in the dining room right now.&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"x_x_elementToProof" style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sa=
ns-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div class=3D"x_x_elementToProof" style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sa=
ns-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
I have a 5+ year old laptop that was (forced) to be &quot;upgraded&quot; to=
 Win11 last fall when support for 10 was discontinued.&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"x_x_elementToProof" style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sa=
ns-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div class=3D"x_x_elementToProof" style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sa=
ns-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
It's been running slower than normal so I've been doing some maintenance cl=
ean up stuff.&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"x_x_elementToProof" style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sa=
ns-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div class=3D"x_x_elementToProof" style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sa=
ns-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
While doing a defrag I clicked on advanced view and saw this:&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"x_x_elementToProof" style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sa=
ns-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div class=3D"x_x_elementToProof" style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sa=
ns-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
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ok-trace=3D"F:3|T:3" src=3D"cid:98528347-2f64-43a4-8aa4-cc26e86d320b"></div=
<div class=3D"x_x_elementToProof" style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sa=
ns-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div class=3D"x_x_elementToProof" style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sa=
ns-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
The bottom &quot;drive&quot; said had a message that is had been over 60 da=
ys since optimization (or some such wording).</div>
<div class=3D"x_x_elementToProof" style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sa=
ns-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div class=3D"x_x_elementToProof" style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sa=
ns-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
My question is: what is this bottom volume? I cannot seem to find it in win=
dows (a google search turned up the expected nothing). My IT education stop=
ped at XP and 2000 so am way out of touch.&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"x_x_elementToProof" style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sa=
ns-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
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Thanks</div>
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From: Douglas Shook <[email-masked]>
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The system partition is not user accessible, it is managed by the OS. That =
is why you cannot execute utilities option it under normal operating condit=
ions, nor diets it require any.

Best,

Doug
mobile
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From: Tim . <[email-masked]>
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2026 12:34:59 PM
To: Douglas Shook <[email-masked]>; Shop Talk <[email-masked]=
t>
Subject: Re: OT IT question

Thanks
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yle=3D"font-size:11pt" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> Tim . &lt;tims_datsun=
[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, April 11, 2026 12:34:59 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Douglas Shook &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Shop Talk &lt;shop-ta=
[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: OT IT question</font>
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I used &quot;defrag&quot; because I am somewhat old school.&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"x_elementToProof" style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans=
-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div class=3D"x_elementToProof" style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans=
-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
When I ran the utility it was actually &quot;trim&quot;, not defrag. Defrag=
 is not an option on the screen I see.&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"x_elementToProof" style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans=
-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
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color=3D"#000000" style=3D"font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> Douglas Shook &lt;d=
[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, April 11, 2026 11:34 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Tim . &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Shop Talk &lt;shop-=
[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: OT IT question</font>
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You do not need to defrag solid state drives as there are no moving parts. =
The consensus is that repeated defragging actually can harm them over time.=
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r:rgb(0,0,0)">
There is a TRIM function in Windows II that optimizes solid state drives, b=
ut you do not need to run defrag, particularly aftermarket utility defrags =
on solid state drives.</div>
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" color=3D"#000000" style=3D"font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> Shop-talk &lt;sho=
[email-masked]&gt; on behalf of Tim . &lt;tims_datsun_stuff@=
outlook.com&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, April 11, 2026 6:19 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Shop Talk &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Shop-talk] OT IT question</font>
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Shop content first: this old laptop will be my shop computer once I set up =
my new laptop that is sitting in the dining room right now.&nbsp;</div>
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sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
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sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
I have a 5+ year old laptop that was (forced) to be &quot;upgraded&quot; to=
 Win11 last fall when support for 10 was discontinued.&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"x_x_x_elementToProof" style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,=
sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
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sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
It's been running slower than normal so I've been doing some maintenance cl=
ean up stuff.&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"x_x_x_elementToProof" style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,=
sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
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sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
While doing a defrag I clicked on advanced view and saw this:&nbsp;</div>
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sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
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sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
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sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
The bottom &quot;drive&quot; said had a message that is had been over 60 da=
ys since optimization (or some such wording).</div>
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sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
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My question is: what is this bottom volume? I cannot seem to find it in win=
dows (a google search turned up the expected nothing). My IT education stop=
ped at XP and 2000 so am way out of touch.&nbsp;</div>
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Thanks</div>
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System partition. Thank you!! That is the answer I was looking for.
________________________________
From: Douglas Shook <[email-masked]>
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2026 3:04 PM
To: Tim . <[email-masked]>; Shop Talk <[email-masked].=
net>
Subject: Re: OT IT question

Best,

Doug
mobile

Thanks
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System partition. Thank you!! That is the answer I was looking for.&nbsp;</=
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yle=3D"font-size:11pt" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> Douglas Shook &lt;dir=
[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, April 11, 2026 3:04 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Tim . &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Shop Talk &lt;shop-=
[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: OT IT question</font>
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The system partition is not user accessible, it is managed by the OS. That =
is why you cannot execute utilities option it under normal operating condit=
ions, nor diets it require any.</div>
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Doug</div>
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tem,Roboto,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(33,33,33)"=
mobile</div>
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<div id=3D"x_divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" =
color=3D"#000000" style=3D"font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> Tim . &lt;tims_dats=
[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, April 11, 2026 12:34:59 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Douglas Shook &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Shop Talk &lt;shop-ta=
[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: OT IT question</font>
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I used &quot;defrag&quot; because I am somewhat old school.&nbsp;</div>
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ns-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
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When I ran the utility it was actually &quot;trim&quot;, not defrag. Defrag=
 is not an option on the screen I see.&nbsp;</div>
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" color=3D"#000000" style=3D"font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> Douglas Shook &lt=
;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, April 11, 2026 11:34 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Tim . &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Shop Talk &lt;shop-=
[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: OT IT question</font>
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You do not need to defrag solid state drives as there are no moving parts. =
The consensus is that repeated defragging actually can harm them over time.=
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edFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; co=
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edFont,Aptos_MSFontService,Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; co=
lor:rgb(0,0,0)">
There is a TRIM function in Windows II that optimizes solid state drives, b=
ut you do not need to run defrag, particularly aftermarket utility defrags =
on solid state drives.</div>
<div id=3D"x_x_x_appendonsend"></div>
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if" color=3D"#000000" style=3D"font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> Shop-talk &lt;s=
[email-masked]&gt; on behalf of Tim . &lt;tims_datsun_stuf=
[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, April 11, 2026 6:19 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Shop Talk &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Shop-talk] OT IT question</font>
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Shop content first: this old laptop will be my shop computer once I set up =
my new laptop that is sitting in the dining room right now.&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"x_x_x_x_elementToProof" style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetic=
a,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
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<div class=3D"x_x_x_x_elementToProof" style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetic=
a,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
I have a 5+ year old laptop that was (forced) to be &quot;upgraded&quot; to=
 Win11 last fall when support for 10 was discontinued.&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"x_x_x_x_elementToProof" style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetic=
a,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
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a,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
It's been running slower than normal so I've been doing some maintenance cl=
ean up stuff.&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"x_x_x_x_elementToProof" style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetic=
a,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div class=3D"x_x_x_x_elementToProof" style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetic=
a,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
While doing a defrag I clicked on advanced view and saw this:&nbsp;</div>
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a,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
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a,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<img id=3D"x_x_x_x_image_0" size=3D"14537" style=3D"max-width:764px" data-o=
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The bottom &quot;drive&quot; said had a message that is had been over 60 da=
ys since optimization (or some such wording).</div>
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My question is: what is this bottom volume? I cannot seem to find it in win=
dows (a google search turned up the expected nothing). My IT education stop=
ped at XP and 2000 so am way out of touch.&nbsp;</div>
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Thanks</div>
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