Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] TSP Sensors

From: Old Dirtbeard <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2026 14:24:17 +0000

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Same problems here, Moose. I have reduced/stopped tire rotations as a resul=
t. Not a good response, I know...

best,

doug

________________________________
From: Shop-talk <[email-masked]> on behalf of eric@megage=
ek.com <[email-masked]>
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2026 5:51 AM
To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Subject: [Shop-talk] TSP Sensors

OK, it seems to be happening more and more these days.  I replace a tire pr=
essure sensor (TPS) with a compatible one for the car. However, my TPS prog=
rammers don't seem to work on these after market sensors (they still can pr=
ogram all the OEM sensors.)

I spent a bunch of time on support lines with the Schader sensors and they =
say that use an open standard, but every TPS programmer I asked them about =
'isn't supported."  (Note, I have 3 different ones.)  To make it worse, the=
y can't tell me which ones WILL work, I just have to ask them and they can =
answer yes or no.

Now, the programmers I have are cheap amazon ones, so it could be they aren=
't up to date.

So, what is a GOOD comprehensive TPS programmer I can buy that should do mo=
st sensors?

Thanks in advance.

Moose

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Same problems here, Moose. I have reduced/stopped tire rotations as a resul=
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yle=3D"font-size:11pt" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> Shop-talk &lt;shop-ta=
[email-masked]&gt; on behalf of [email-masked] &lt;eric@megag=
eek.com&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 30, 2026 5:51 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> [email-masked] &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Shop-talk] TSP Sensors</font>
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<div><span style=3D"font-size:10pt; font-family:sans-serif">OK, it seems to=
 be happening more and more these days. &nbsp;I replace a tire pressure sen=
sor (TPS) with a compatible one for the car. However, my TPS programmers do=
n't seem to work on these after market
 sensors (they still can program all the OEM sensors.)</span> <br>
<br>
<span style=3D"font-size:10pt; font-family:sans-serif">I spent a bunch of t=
ime on support lines with the Schader sensors and they say that use an open=
 standard, but every TPS programmer I asked them about 'isn't supported.&qu=
ot; &nbsp;(Note, I have 3 different ones.) &nbsp;To
 make it worse, they can't tell me which ones WILL work, I just have to ask=
 them and they can answer yes or no.</span>
<br>
<br>
<span style=3D"font-size:10pt; font-family:sans-serif">Now, the programmers=
 I have are cheap amazon ones, so it could be they aren't up to date.</span=
<br>
<br>
<span style=3D"font-size:10pt; font-family:sans-serif">So, what is a GOOD c=
omprehensive TPS programmer I can buy that should do most sensors?</span>
<br>
<br>
<span style=3D"font-size:10pt; font-family:sans-serif">Thanks in advance.</=
span> <br>
<br>
<span style=3D"font-size:10pt; font-family:sans-serif">Moose</span> </div>
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From: Ronnie Day <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2026 09:52:53 -0600

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IMO, I ignore the damned things, at least as far as replacing them, unless
one is leaking. I've been quoted around $120/each to replace them. That
said, I'll offer good odds that pretty much everybody in this group keeps
an eye on tire pressure. As a rule of thumb tire pressure varies around 2
PSI with a 10 degree change in ambient temperature.

I have my tires balanced and rotated every 5K and that's worked out well.
Getting ready to replace the tires on our 2015 Odyssey, which seems like it
eats tires. Can't remember what I paid for the last set (Yokohama YK-CTX)
at that time, nor do I remember the mileage on the van when I bought them,
but I can find out. Discount has them for $202, plus the usual add-ons.
Discount also has the Michelin Defender 2 with a considerably longer
service life, for $211 through February, so I plan to buy those this time
around.

On Fri, Jan 30, 2026 at 8:36=E2=80=AFAM Old Dirtbeard <[email-masked]> =
wrote:

> Same problems here, Moose. I have reduced/stopped tire rotations as a
> result. Not a good response, I know...
>
> best,
>
> doug
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Shop-talk <[email-masked]> on behalf of
> [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* Friday, January 30, 2026 5:51 AM
> *To:* [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
> *Subject:* [Shop-talk] TSP Sensors
>
> OK, it seems to be happening more and more these days.  I replace a tire
> pressure sensor (TPS) with a compatible one for the car. However, my TPS
> programmers don't seem to work on these after market sensors (they still
> can program all the OEM sensors.)
>
> I spent a bunch of time on support lines with the Schader sensors and the=
y
> say that use an open standard, but every TPS programmer I asked them abou=
t
> 'isn't supported."  (Note, I have 3 different ones.)  To make it worse,
> they can't tell me which ones WILL work, I just have to ask them and they
> can answer yes or no.
>
> Now, the programmers I have are cheap amazon ones, so it could be they
> aren't up to date.
>
> So, what is a GOOD comprehensive TPS programmer I can buy that should do
> most sensors?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Moose
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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<div dir=3D"ltr">IMO, I ignore the damned things, at least as far as=C2=A0r=
eplacing them, unless one is leaking. I&#39;ve been quoted around $120/each=
 to replace them. That said, I&#39;ll offer good odds that pretty much ever=
ybody in this group keeps an eye on tire pressure. As a rule of thumb tire =
pressure varies around=C2=A02 PSI with a 10 degree change in ambient=C2=A0t=
emperature.<div><br></div><div>I have my tires balanced and rotated every 5=
K and that&#39;s worked out well. Getting ready to replace the tires on our=
 2015 Odyssey, which seems like it eats tires. Can&#39;t remember what I pa=
id for the last set (Yokohama YK-CTX) at that time, nor do I remember the m=
ileage=C2=A0on the van when I bought them, but I can find out. Discount has=
 them for $202, plus the usual add-ons. Discount also has the Michelin Defe=
nder 2 with a considerably=C2=A0longer service life, for $211 through Febru=
ary, so I plan to buy those this time around.</div></div><br><div class=3D"=
gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On=
 Fri, Jan 30, 2026 at 8:36=E2=80=AFAM Old Dirtbeard &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:d=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px soli=
d rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"msg-8098392917260077496"=

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:rgb(0,0,0)">
Same problems here, Moose. I have reduced/stopped tire rotations as a resul=
t. Not a good response, I know...</div>
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<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt=
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best,</div>
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<span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12p=
t;color:rgb(0,0,0)">doug</span></p>
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alibri, sans-serif" style=3D"font-size:11pt" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b>=
 Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; on behalf of <a href=
=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a> &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>=
&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 30, 2026 5:51 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">Sh=
[email-masked]</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Shop-talk] TSP Sensors</font>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
</div>
<div><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">OK, it seems to =
be happening more and more these days.=C2=A0 I replace a tire pressure sens=
or (TPS) with a compatible one for the car. However, my TPS programmers don=
&#39;t seem to work on these after market
 sensors (they still can program all the OEM sensors.)</span> <br>
<br>
<span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">I spent a bunch of ti=
me on support lines with the Schader sensors and they say that use an open =
standard, but every TPS programmer I asked them about &#39;isn&#39;t suppor=
ted.&quot; =C2=A0(Note, I have 3 different ones.) =C2=A0To
 make it worse, they can&#39;t tell me which ones WILL work, I just have to=
 ask them and they can answer yes or no.</span>
<br>
<br>
<span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Now, the programmers =
I have are cheap amazon ones, so it could be they aren&#39;t up to date.</s=
pan>
<br>
<br>
<span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">So, what is a GOOD co=
mprehensive TPS programmer I can buy that should do most sensors?</span>
<br>
<br>
<span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Thanks in advance.</s=
pan> <br>
<br>
<span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Moose</span> </div>
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">I had the sensors die on my 17 Camry &amp; s=
hopped around &amp; was really surprised by the cost spread between shops. T=
he cheapest place I found to install them was Discount Tire, about $40 each.=
 Firestone wanted $160 each! I=E2=80=99m getting old enough to not do some r=
epairs myself &amp; I don=E2=80=99t have the equipment.&nbsp;<div><br id=3D"=
lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature"><div dir=3D"ltr">Pat Horne&nbsp;<div>We sup=
port Habitat for Humanity</div><div><br></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On J=
an 30, 2026, at 10:40=E2=80=AFAM, [email-masked] wrote:<br><br></div><div=
 dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<span style=3D" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif"=
>Most of the time,
I'm doing it for a friend. &nbsp;Since I have the tire mount and balancer,
it's just the cost of the TPS (about $50 or less.)</span>
<br>
<br><span style=3D" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">I just want to
be able to finish the job however. 8&gt;0</span>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br><span style=3D" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">From:=

&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span style=3D" font-size:9pt;font-family:=
sans-serif">Ronnie
Day &lt;[email-masked]&gt;</span>
<br><span style=3D" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">To:
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span style=3D" font-size:9pt;font-family:=
sans-serif">Old
Dirtbeard &lt;[email-masked]&gt;</span>
<br><span style=3D" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">Cc:
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span style=3D" font-size:9pt;font-family:=
sans-serif">"[email-masked]"
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;, "[email-masked]" &lt;[email-masked]=
am.net&gt;</span>
<br><span style=3D" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">Date=
:
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span style=3D" font-size:9pt;font-family:=
sans-serif">01/30/2026
10:53</span>
<br><span style=3D" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">Subj=
ect:
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span style=3D" font-size:9pt;font-family:=
sans-serif">Re:
[Shop-talk] TSP Sensors</span>
<br>
<hr noshade=3D"">
<br>
<br>
<br><span style=3D" font-size:12pt">IMO, I ignore the damned things, at leas=
t
as far as&nbsp;replacing them, unless one is leaking. I've been quoted
around $120/each to replace them. That said, I'll offer good odds that
pretty much everybody in this group keeps an eye on tire pressure. As a
rule of thumb tire pressure varies around&nbsp;2 PSI with a 10 degree change=

in ambient&nbsp;temperature.</span>
<br>
<br><span style=3D" font-size:12pt">I have my tires balanced and rotated
every 5K and that's worked out well. Getting ready to replace the tires
on our 2015 Odyssey, which seems like it eats tires. Can't remember what
I paid for the last set (Yokohama YK-CTX) at that time, nor do I remember
the mileage&nbsp;on the van when I bought them, but I can find out. Discount=

has them for $202, plus the usual add-ons. Discount also has the Michelin
Defender 2 with a considerably&nbsp;longer service life, for $211 through
February, so I plan to buy those this time around.</span>
<br>
<br><span style=3D" font-size:12pt">On Fri, Jan 30, 2026 at 8:36=E2=80=AFAM O=
ld
Dirtbeard &lt;</span><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]"><span style=3D" f=
ont-size:12pt;color:blue"><u>[email-masked]</u></span></a><span style=3D=
" font-size:12pt">&gt;
wrote:</span>
<br><span style=3D" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri">Same problems here,
Moose. I have reduced/stopped tire rotations as a result. Not a good respons=
e,
I know...</span>
<br>
<br><span style=3D" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri">best,</span>
<p style=3D"margin-top:10px;margin-Bottom:10px"><span style=3D" font-size:12=
pt;font-family:Calibri">doug</span></p>
<br>
<hr>
<br><span style=3D" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"><b>From:</b> Shop-ta=
lk
&lt;</span><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_bl=
ank"><span style=3D" font-size:11pt;color:blue;font-family:Calibri"><u>shop-=
[email-masked]</u></span></a><span style=3D" font-size:11pt;fon=
t-family:Calibri">&gt;
on behalf of </span><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank"><=
span style=3D" font-size:11pt;color:blue;font-family:Calibri"><u>eric@megage=
ek.com</u></span></a><span style=3D" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">
&lt;</span><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank"><span styl=
e=3D" font-size:11pt;color:blue;font-family:Calibri"><u>[email-masked]</u=
></span></a><span style=3D" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">&gt;<b><br>
Sent:</b> Friday, January 30, 2026 5:51 AM<b><br>
To:</b> </span><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank"=
><span style=3D" font-size:11pt;color:blue;font-family:Calibri"><u>Shop-talk=
@autox.team.net</u></span></a><span style=3D" font-size:11pt;font-family:Cal=
ibri">
&lt;</span><a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank"><sp=
an style=3D" font-size:11pt;color:blue;font-family:Calibri"><u>Shop-talk@aut=
ox.team.net</u></span></a><span style=3D" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri=
">&gt;<b><br>
Subject:</b> [Shop-talk] TSP Sensors</span><span style=3D" font-size:12pt">
</span>
<br><span style=3D" font-size:12pt">&nbsp;</span>
<br><span style=3D" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">OK, it seems to
be happening more and more these days.&nbsp; I replace a tire pressure
sensor (TPS) with a compatible one for the car. However, my TPS programmers
don't seem to work on these after market sensors (they still can program
all the OEM sensors.)</span><span style=3D" font-size:12pt"> <br>
</span><span style=3D" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif"><br>
I spent a bunch of time on support lines with the Schader sensors and they
say that use an open standard, but every TPS programmer I asked them about
'isn't supported." &nbsp;(Note, I have 3 different ones.) &nbsp;To
make it worse, they can't tell me which ones WILL work, I just have to
ask them and they can answer yes or no.</span><span style=3D" font-size:12pt=
">
<br>
</span><span style=3D" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif"><br>
Now, the programmers I have are cheap amazon ones, so it could be they
aren't up to date.</span><span style=3D" font-size:12pt"> <br>
</span><span style=3D" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif"><br>
So, what is a GOOD comprehensive TPS programmer I can buy that should do
most sensors?</span><span style=3D" font-size:12pt"> <br>
</span><span style=3D" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif"><br>
Thanks in advance.</span><span style=3D" font-size:12pt"> <br>
</span><span style=3D" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif"><br>
Moose</span><span style=3D" font-size:12pt"> </span>
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From: Jim Juhas <[email-masked]> mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2026 13:19:23 -0500

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I use an Autel TS508. The current version is WiFi capable for updates. 
Mine is an earlier model that requires a USB connection for updates. I 
bought it just over a year ago via Ebay. Autel packages replacement 
sensors with a tool as part of a package. I bought mine from a large 
tire dealer that I believe had a number of these tools to sell at a 
discount because they purchased a lot of the kits. I saw that there are 
some priced on Ebay now for about $25.

It seems to be universal. I needed it to properly program the sensors in 
the winter wheels for our Mazda 3. Even though I am not the original 
purchaser of the programmer, I have been able to easily get all the 
updates for the newest cars. My experience with it so far is on Mazda, 
Ford and GM cars.

One of my favorite features is that it can trigger the sensor and give a 
reading of the tire pressure and temperature of any wheel. I like this 
so much that I am considering installing TPMS sensors in the race car 
wheels for quick and accurate pressure checks at the track.

It also connects to the OBDII system to diagnose other stuff, reset 
warning lights, and such.

I also have a tire machine and a balancer primarily for my race car use, 
and of course for all my other cars, and I have become the family go-to 
person for tire work.

Jim

On 1/30/2026 11:04 AM, [email-masked] wrote:
> Most of the time, I'm doing it for a friend.  Since I have the tire 
> mount and balancer, it's just the cost of the TPS (about $50 or less.)
>
> I just want to be able to finish the job however. 8>0
>
>
>
> From: Ronnie Day <[email-masked]>
> To: Old Dirtbeard <[email-masked]>
> Cc: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>, 
> "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>
> Date: 01/30/2026 10:53
> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] TSP Sensors
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> IMO, I ignore the damned things, at least as far as replacing them, 
> unless one is leaking. I've been quoted around $120/each to replace 
> them. That said, I'll offer good odds that pretty much everybody in 
> this group keeps an eye on tire pressure. As a rule of thumb tire 
> pressure varies around 2 PSI with a 10 degree change in 
> ambient temperature.
>
> I have my tires balanced and rotated every 5K and that's worked out 
> well. Getting ready to replace the tires on our 2015 Odyssey, which 
> seems like it eats tires. Can't remember what I paid for the last set 
> (Yokohama YK-CTX) at that time, nor do I remember the mileage on the 
> van when I bought them, but I can find out. Discount has them for 
> $202, plus the usual add-ons. Discount also has the Michelin Defender 
> 2 with a considerably longer service life, for $211 through February, 
> so I plan to buy those this time around.
>
> On Fri, Jan 30, 2026 at 8:36 AM Old Dirtbeard <[email-masked] 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* Shop-talk <[email-masked] 
> Sent:* Friday, January 30, 2026 5:51 AM*
> To:* [email-masked] 
> Subject:* [Shop-talk] TSP Sensors
>
> OK, it seems to be happening more and more these days.  I replace a 
> tire pressure sensor (TPS) with a compatible one for the car. However, 
> my TPS programmers don't seem to work on these after market sensors 
> (they still can program all the OEM sensors.)
>
> I spent a bunch of time on support lines with the Schader sensors and 
> they say that use an open standard, but every TPS programmer I asked 
> them about 'isn't supported."  (Note, I have 3 different ones.)  To 
> ask them and they can answer yes or no.
>
> So, what is a GOOD comprehensive TPS programmer I can buy that should 
> do most sensors?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Moose
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    I use an Autel TS508. The current version is WiFi capable for
    updates. Mine is an earlier model that requires a USB connection for
    updates. I bought it just over a year ago via Ebay. Autel packages
    replacement sensors with a tool as part of a package. I bought mine
    from a large tire dealer that I believe had a number of these tools
    to sell at a discount because they purchased a lot of the kits. I
    saw that there are some priced on Ebay now for about $25.<br>
    <br>
    It seems to be universal. I needed it to properly program the
    sensors in the winter wheels for our Mazda 3. Even though I am not
    the original purchaser of the programmer, I have been able to easily
    get all the updates for the newest cars. My experience with it so
    far is on Mazda, Ford and GM cars.<br>
    <br>
    One of my favorite features is that it can trigger the sensor and
    give a reading of the tire pressure and temperature of any wheel. I
    like this so much that I am considering installing TPMS sensors in
    the race car wheels for quick and accurate pressure checks at the
    track. <br>
    <br>
    It also connects to the OBDII system to diagnose other stuff, reset
    warning lights, and such. <br>
    <br>
    I also have a tire machine and a balancer primarily for my race car
    use, and of course for all my other cars, and I have become the
    family go-to person for tire work.<br>
    <br>
    Jim 
    <div class="moz-signature"><br>
      <img src="cid:[email-masked]" border="0"></div>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/30/2026 11:04 AM,
      <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a> wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:[email-masked]">
      <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
      <span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Most of the
        time,
        I'm doing it for a friend.  Since I have the tire mount and
        balancer,
        it's just the cost of the TPS (about $50 or less.)</span>
      <br>
      <br>
      <span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">I just want
        to
        be able to finish the job however. 8&gt;0</span>
      <br>
      <br>
      <br>
      <br>
      <span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">From:
               </span><span
        style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">Ronnie
        Day <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a></span>
      <br>
      <span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">To:
               </span><span
        style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">Old
        Dirtbeard <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a></span>
      <br>
      <span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">Cc:
               </span><span
        style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif"><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">"[email-masked]"</a>
        <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a>, <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">"[email-masked]"</a>
        <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a></span>
      <br>
      <span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">Date:
               </span><span
        style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">01/30/2026
        10:53</span>
      <br>
      <span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">Subject:
               </span><span
        style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">Re:
        [Shop-talk] TSP Sensors</span>
      <br>
      <hr noshade="noshade">
      <br>
      <br>
      <br>
      <span style=" font-size:12pt">IMO, I ignore the damned things, at
        least
        as far as replacing them, unless one is leaking. I've been
        quoted
        around $120/each to replace them. That said, I'll offer good
        odds that
        pretty much everybody in this group keeps an eye on tire
        pressure. As a
        rule of thumb tire pressure varies around 2 PSI with a 10 degree
        change
        in ambient temperature.</span>
      <br>
      <br>
      <span style=" font-size:12pt">I have my tires balanced and rotated
        every 5K and that's worked out well. Getting ready to replace
        the tires
        on our 2015 Odyssey, which seems like it eats tires. Can't
        remember what
        I paid for the last set (Yokohama YK-CTX) at that time, nor do I
        remember
        the mileage on the van when I bought them, but I can find out.
        Discount
        has them for $202, plus the usual add-ons. Discount also has the
        Michelin
        Defender 2 with a considerably longer service life, for $211
        through
        February, so I plan to buy those this time around.</span>
      <br>
      <br>
      <span style=" font-size:12pt">On Fri, Jan 30, 2026 at 8:36 AM Old
        Dirtbeard &lt;</span><a href="mailto:[email-masked]"
        moz-do-not-send="true"><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:blue"><u>[email-masked]</u></span></a><span
        style=" font-size:12pt">&gt;
        wrote:</span>
      <br>
      <span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri">Same problems
        here,
        Moose. I have reduced/stopped tire rotations as a result. Not a
        good response,
        I know...</span>
      <br>
      <br>
      <span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri">best,</span>
      <p style="margin-top:10px;margin-Bottom:10px"><span
          style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri">doug</span></p>
      <br>
      <hr>
      <br>
      <span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"><b>From:</b>
        Shop-talk
        &lt;</span><a href="mailto:[email-masked]"
        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
          style=" font-size:11pt;color:blue;font-family:Calibri"><u>[email-masked]</u></span></a><span
        style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">&gt;
        on behalf of </span><a href="mailto:[email-masked]"
        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
          style=" font-size:11pt;color:blue;font-family:Calibri"><u>[email-masked]</u></span></a><span
        style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">
        &lt;</span><a href="mailto:[email-masked]" target="_blank"
        moz-do-not-send="true"><span
          style=" font-size:11pt;color:blue;font-family:Calibri"><u>[email-masked]</u></span></a><span
        style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">&gt;<b><br>
          Sent:</b> Friday, January 30, 2026 5:51 AM<b><br>
          To:</b> </span><a href="mailto:[email-masked]"
        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
          style=" font-size:11pt;color:blue;font-family:Calibri"><u>[email-masked]</u></span></a><span
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        &lt;</span><a href="mailto:[email-masked]"
        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
          style=" font-size:11pt;color:blue;font-family:Calibri"><u>[email-masked]</u></span></a><span
        style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">&gt;<b><br>
          Subject:</b> [Shop-talk] TSP Sensors</span><span
        style=" font-size:12pt">
      </span>
      <br>
      <span style=" font-size:12pt"> </span>
      <br>
      <span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">OK, it seems
        to
        be happening more and more these days.  I replace a tire
        pressure
        sensor (TPS) with a compatible one for the car. However, my TPS
        programmers
        don't seem to work on these after market sensors (they still can
        program
        all the OEM sensors.)</span><span style=" font-size:12pt"> <br>
      </span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif"><br>
        I spent a bunch of time on support lines with the Schader
        sensors and they
        say that use an open standard, but every TPS programmer I asked
        them about
        'isn't supported."  (Note, I have 3 different ones.)  To
        make it worse, they can't tell me which ones WILL work, I just
        have to
        ask them and they can answer yes or no.</span><span
        style=" font-size:12pt">
        <br>
      </span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif"><br>
        Now, the programmers I have are cheap amazon ones, so it could
        be they
        aren't up to date.</span><span style=" font-size:12pt"> <br>
      </span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif"><br>
        So, what is a GOOD comprehensive TPS programmer I can buy that
        should do
        most sensors?</span><span style=" font-size:12pt"> <br>
      </span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif"><br>
        Thanks in advance.</span><span style=" font-size:12pt"> <br>
      </span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif"><br>
        Moose</span><span style=" font-size:12pt"> </span>
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gs, at least as far as&nbsp;replacing them, .....</div><div><br></div><div>=
&gt;Can't remember what I paid for the last set (Yokohama YK-CTX) at that t=
ime, nor do I&nbsp;</div><div>&gt;remember the mileage&nbsp;on the van when=
 I bought them, but I can find out. Discount has&nbsp;</div><div>&gt;them f=
or $202, plus the usual add-ons. Discount also has the Michelin Defender 2 =
with a&nbsp;</div><div>&gt;considerably&nbsp;longer service life, for $211 =
through February, so I plan to buy those this time&nbsp;</div><div>&gt;arou=
nd.</div><div><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">To that end =
an as not to repeat the same repeat of a maintenance item, I keep a small s=
piral note book in my glove compartment.&nbsp; Starting at the front, I put=
 in the date, odometer milage, # gal of gas to fill, total cost and then ca=
lculate the mpg for each time I fill the tank.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-s=
etdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Then start=
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the battery, serpentine belt, or brake jobs, sparkplugs, oil changes, tire =
rotations, timing belts, etc.&nbsp; Basically any maintenance item that eit=
her I do or I have done.&nbsp; I put in the date, milage what was done, and=
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imple.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"lt=
r" data-setdir=3D"false">JohnT,</div></div><br><div><div>
John T. Blair&nbsp; WA4OHZ&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; email:&nbsp; jblair1948@=
cox.net</div>
Va. Beach, Va&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Phone:&nbsp; (757) 495-8229<br><br=
48 TR1800&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 48 #4 Midget&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 65 Morgan 4/4 Se=
ries V (B1106)<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 77 Spitf=
ire&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 71 Saab Sonett III<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 65 Rambler Classi=
c<br><br>
Morgan:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href=3D"http://autox.team.net/morgan/" rel=3D"=
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;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; - Tha=
nk a teacher!</div>
If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!!<br><br>
>From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy:<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; e pluribus Unum, "from many, one."<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; In God We Trust<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Liberty - the&nbsp; power&nbsp; of&nbsp; choosing,=
&nbsp; thinking,&nbsp; and&nbsp; acting&nbsp; for&nbsp; <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
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Make sure you keep the fish guts out of the TPS reports.  Lumbergh won't
like it one bit.

On Fri, Jan 30, 2026 at 1:50=E2=80=AFPM John T Blair <[email-masked]> w=
rote:

> On Friday, January 30, 2026 at 11:02:56 AM EST, Ronnie Day <
> [email-masked]> wrote:
>
>
> >IMO, I ignore the damned things, at least as far as replacing them, ....=
.
>
> >Can't remember what I paid for the last set (Yokohama YK-CTX) at that
> time, nor do I
> >remember the mileage on the van when I bought them, but I can find out.
> Discount has
> >them for $202, plus the usual add-ons. Discount also has the Michelin
> Defender 2 with a
> >considerably longer service life, for $211 through February, so I plan t=
o
> buy those this time
> >around.
>
> To that end an as not to repeat the same repeat of a maintenance item, I
> keep a small spiral note book in my glove compartment.  Starting at the
> front, I put in the date, odometer milage, # gal of gas to fill, total co=
st
> Then starting at the back of the book, I put in any maintenance item, lik=
e
> replacing the battery, serpentine belt, or brake jobs, sparkplugs, oil
> changes, tire rotations, timing belts, etc.  Basically any maintenance it=
em
> that either I do or I have done.  I put in the date, milage what was done=
,
> and if I feel like I got a good deal or screwed the price.
>
> Simple.
>
> JohnT,
>
> John T. Blair  WA4OHZ     email:  [email-masked]
> Va. Beach, Va                  Phone:  (757) 495-8229
>
> 48 TR1800    48 #4 Midget    65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106)
>      75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887)    77 Spitfire    71 Saab Sonett III
>                        65 Rambler Classic
>
> Morgan:    http://autox.team.net/morgan/
>
> <http://autox.team.net/morgan/>Bricklin:     http://www.bricklin.org
>
>
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>
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>      In God We Trust
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>                   oneself; freedom  from  control  or  restriction
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                        On Friday, January 30, 2026 at 11:02:56 AM EST, Ron=
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[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:
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If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!!<br><br>
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