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I need to replace at least the cold cartridge in our shower--probably just =
do both IF I can find replacements. I do not know how old this system is bu=
t assume 40+ years, maybe 50.

This is what it looks like before full removal. At this stage in disassembl=
y, it looks nothing like any of the videos I have looked at online.

Does anyone recognize this? What are my chances of finding a replacement? O=
r should I just hope I can rebuild it?

I can find no markings to ID the system.

Thanks
tim

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I need to replace at least the cold cartridge in our shower--probably just =
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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] odd cartridge??
Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net

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A picture might help.....ffs tim
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From: Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2025 12:02 PM
To: Shop Talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: odd cartridge??

I need to replace at least the cold cartridge in our shower--probably just =
do both IF I can find replacements. I do not know how old this system is bu=
t assume 40+ years, maybe 50.

This is what it looks like before full removal. At this stage in disassembl=
y, it looks nothing like any of the videos I have looked at online.

Does anyone recognize this? What are my chances of finding a replacement? O=
r should I just hope I can rebuild it?

I can find no markings to ID the system.

Thanks
tim

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From: Pat Horne <patintexas@icloud.com>
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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] odd cartridge??
Cc: Shop Talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
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Tim, no photos came through. If there is an escutcheon on it, is there any m=
arkings?

Peace, Pat

Pat Horne=20
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Dec 6, 2025, at 12:17=E2=80=AFPM, Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com> w=
rote:

=EF=BB=BF
I need to replace at least the cold cartridge in our shower--probably just d=
o both IF I can find replacements. I do not know how old this system is but a=
ssume 40+ years, maybe 50.

This is what it looks like before full removal. At this stage in disassembly=
, it looks nothing like any of the videos I have looked at online.=20

Does anyone recognize this? What are my chances of finding a replacement? Or=
 should I just hope I can rebuild it?

I can find no markings to ID the system.=20

Thanks
tim
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Tim, no photos came through. If there is an=
 escutcheon on it, is there any markings?<div><br></div><div>Peace, Pat</div=
><div><br id=3D"lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature"><div dir=3D"ltr">Pat Horne&=
nbsp;<div>We support Habitat for Humanity</div><div><br></div></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><br>On Dec 6, 2025, at 12:17=E2=80=AFPM, Tim . &lt;tims_datsun_stuf=
f@outlook.com&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF

<meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1=
">



<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
I need to replace at least the cold cartridge in our shower--probably just d=
o both IF I can find replacements. I do not know how old this system is but a=
ssume 40+ years, maybe 50.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
This is what it looks like before full removal. At this stage in disassembly=
, it looks nothing like any of the videos I have looked at online.&nbsp;</di=
v>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
Does anyone recognize this? What are my chances of finding a replacement? Or=
 should I just hope I can rebuild it?</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
I can find no markings to ID the system.&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
Thanks</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
tim</div>


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Also, if you have the cartridge out, try a search with google lens.=20


Pat Horne=20
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Dec 6, 2025, at 12:17=E2=80=AFPM, Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com> w=
rote:

=EF=BB=BF
I need to replace at least the cold cartridge in our shower--probably just d=
o both IF I can find replacements. I do not know how old this system is but a=
ssume 40+ years, maybe 50.

This is what it looks like before full removal. At this stage in disassembly=
, it looks nothing like any of the videos I have looked at online.=20

Does anyone recognize this? What are my chances of finding a replacement? Or=
 should I just hope I can rebuild it?

I can find no markings to ID the system.=20

Thanks
tim
_______________________________________________

Shop-talk@autox.team.net
Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archi=
ve

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Also, if you have the cartridge out, try a s=
earch with google lens.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div><br id=3D"lineBreakAtBeginn=
ingOfSignature"><div dir=3D"ltr">Pat Horne&nbsp;<div>We support Habitat for H=
umanity</div><div><br></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Dec 6, 2025, at 12=
:17=E2=80=AFPM, Tim . &lt;tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com&gt; wrote:<br><br></=
div><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF

<meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1=
">



<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
I need to replace at least the cold cartridge in our shower--probably just d=
o both IF I can find replacements. I do not know how old this system is but a=
ssume 40+ years, maybe 50.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
This is what it looks like before full removal. At this stage in disassembly=
, it looks nothing like any of the videos I have looked at online.&nbsp;</di=
v>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
Does anyone recognize this? What are my chances of finding a replacement? Or=
 should I just hope I can rebuild it?</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
I can find no markings to ID the system.&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
Thanks</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"elementToProof">
tim</div>


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Take the picture to a local plumbing supply place or a good hardware 
store.  If you have it, chances are other's in your community also have 
it and a smart local person can take care of you.

Brian

On 12/6/2025 10:02 AM, Tim . wrote:
> I need to replace at least the cold cartridge in our shower--probably 
> just do both IF I can find replacements. I do not know how old this 
> system is but assume 40+ years, maybe 50.
>
> This is what it looks like before full removal. At this stage in 
> disassembly, it looks nothing like any of the videos I have looked at 
> online.
>
> Does anyone recognize this? What are my chances of finding a 
> replacement? Or should I just hope I can rebuild it?
>
> I can find no markings to ID the system.
>
> Thanks
> tim
>
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    Take the picture to a local plumbing supply place or a good hardware
    store.  If you have it, chances are other's in your community also
    have it and a smart local person can take care of you.<br>
    <br>
    Brian<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/6/2025 10:02 AM, Tim . wrote:<br>
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        I need to replace at least the cold cartridge in our
        shower--probably just do both IF I can find replacements. I do
        not know how old this system is but assume 40+ years, maybe 50.</div>
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        This is what it looks like before full removal. At this stage in
        disassembly, it looks nothing like any of the videos I have
        looked at online. </div>
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        Does anyone recognize this? What are my chances of finding a
        replacement? Or should I just hope I can rebuild it?</div>
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        Thanks</div>
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        tim</div>
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There was some discussion on one of the Team Net lists about how things 
have changed,  This is what I wrote, some of you may find it interesting.

====

A lot has changed over the last 35 years or so.  When I took over from 
Jim Muller, who took over from Dale Cook, back in the late 80s the 
"Internet" was still a wet behind the ears baby.  These days, wow, 
completely different!

This list is a fragment of the original british-cars list.  But one 
thing has not changed, and that is my commitment to providing this 
content as best I can, free of charge.  Sure there were times when I did 
*everything* by hand, one request at a time, for email address changes, 
additions, deletions.  There were times I was belittled for making what 
seemed like arbitrary decisions to the unaware observer. There were 
times I worked 20 - 30 hours a week on Team dot Net, even before it was 
Team dot Net.

These days my workload is way down, thanks to automated email list 
software.  But things are always changing when it comes to computers. 
These days it is all still running, but who knows for how long.

Mailman 2, the version I have running on the Team Net server, was 
released in April of 2004.  It has long since been shuffled off to 
inactive status as far as the folks maintaining it are concerned.  But 
still it chugs along, these days pieced together with chewing gum and 
baling wire.

In case you are wondering:

  [root@autox data]# uptime
  15:13:45 up 876 days, 21:00,  1 user,  load average: 0.61, 0.55, 0.59
  [root@autox data]# uname -a
  Linux autox 5.3.11-100.fc29.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Nov 12 20:41:25 UTC 2019 
x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

Yes, the server has not been booted for about 2 and a half years.  The 
fc29 in the uname output is the level of Fedora running, last updated in 
2019.  My personal computer is at revision 41.  A LOT has changed.  I 
fear that if the server goes down, it may never come back up cleanly on 
its own.  I am hoping to make it go for at least 1,000 days of 
continuous running.  But I'll burn that bridge before we cross it, or 
however the saying goes.

For now, there are people who still enjoy these old lists, still finding 
them useful, and a lot more appealing than mass market social media 
outlets, with advertising you need to wade through to find anything 
worthwhile.

And as long as I am able, I will keep it that way.  Enjoy the coming 
festive season!

mjb.

ps:  A week before the winter solstice, and I just got back from a top 
down drive with the British Motor Club of Utah.  Sunny, mid 50s here in 
the Salt Lake area.  Unreal!
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I have been planning some remodeling at our seasonal cottage that's next 
to my workshop. I have seen the internet ads for something called Plan 7 
Architect that seems quite robust and reasonably priced at about $100. I 
need to create some plans for a kitchen remodel that I can use to guide 
my likely contractor toward something unique to our needs and 
preferences. He provided a plan from a kitchen designer he likes 
completely  misses our point, which is to preserve the rustic structure 
of the cottage but to build a workable space with updated appliances and 
cabinetry. What he provided looks like something out of Better Homes and 
Gardens.

When we designed the basic layout for the kitchen in our full-time 
house, I used Visio to create it. We took that to Lowes and had their 
guy assemble a design of cabinets to generally follow that plan, making 
accommodations to suit the cabinetry that was available.

The thing I saw advertised recently looks like it would be way easier 
and would include 3D renderings. After seeing the Plan 7 ads, I did some 
searching and found a dozen or more products with similar claims.

So, does anyone here have direct experience with any of these products? 
I'd love to hear some recommendations.

Thanks.

Jim
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    I have been planning some remodeling at our seasonal cottage that's
    next to my workshop. I have seen the internet ads for something
    called Plan 7 Architect that seems quite robust and reasonably
    priced at about $100. I need to create some plans for a kitchen
    remodel that I can use to guide my likely contractor toward
    something unique to our needs and preferences. He provided a plan
    from a kitchen designer he likes completely  misses our point, which
    is to preserve the rustic structure of the cottage but to build a
    workable space with updated appliances and cabinetry. What he
    provided looks like something out of Better Homes and Gardens.<br>
    <br>
    When we designed the basic layout for the kitchen in our full-time
    house, I used Visio to create it. We took that to Lowes and had
    their guy assemble a design of cabinets to generally follow that
    plan, making accommodations to suit the cabinetry that was
    available. <br>
    <br>
    The thing I saw advertised recently looks like it would be way
    easier and would include 3D renderings. After seeing the Plan 7 ads,
    I did some searching and found a dozen or more products with similar
    claims. <br>
    <br>
    So, does anyone here have direct experience with any of these
    products? I'd love to hear some recommendations.<br>
    <br>
    Thanks.<br>
    <br>
    Jim
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From: "Kent Sullivan" <kentsu@corvairkid.com>
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Following up-I did indeed purchase the Challenger rolling bridge jack. Am
very happy with it so far. Happy to answer questions.

 

--Kent

 

From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Kent
Sullivan
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2025 4:08 PM
To: shop-talk@autox.team.net
Subject: [Shop-talk] Rolling bridge jacks

 

Hi,

 

I hope y'all had a nice Thanksgiving.

 

I have been doing research on rolling bridge jacks over the past couple of
months. My 4-post lift is a ~20-year-old Rotary model, from their first
foray into the "prosumer" space (blue paint) and before the same item was
spun off as part of the separate Revolution line (black paint). It has a
7000 lbs. capacity.

 

As far as I can tell, Rotary never offered a rolling bridge jack for this
line. I have looked at all that they do offer (which is quite a few choices,
since they bought companies like Forward and merged their products in) but
for various reasons I wasn't happy with the choices. (I can go into detail
for anyone who cares.)

 

I have pretty much settled on the Challenger RJ3.5 - 3500 lbs. capacity,
manual pump (no air assist). I would be interested in hearing from anyone
who has experience with this model - or with a different Challenger rolling
bridge jack. Or a different manufacturer altogether.

 

Happy Holidays,

 

--Kent


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Rolling bridge jacks<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
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p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>I have been =
doing research on rolling bridge jacks over the past couple of months. =
My 4-post lift is a ~20-year-old Rotary model, from their first foray =
into the &#8220;prosumer&#8221; space (blue paint) and before the same =
item was spun off as part of the separate Revolution line (black paint). =
It has a 7000 lbs. capacity.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>As far as I =
can tell, Rotary never offered a rolling bridge jack for this line. I =
have looked at all that they do offer (which is quite a few choices, =
since they bought companies like Forward and merged their products in) =
but for various reasons I wasn&#8217;t happy with the choices. (I can go =
into detail for anyone who cares&#8230;)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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much settled on the Challenger RJ3.5 &#8211; 3500 lbs. capacity, manual =
pump (no air assist). I would be interested in hearing from anyone who =
has experience with this model &#8211; or with a different Challenger =
rolling bridge jack&#8230; Or a different manufacturer =
altogether.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Happy =
Holidays,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
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From: Eric Russell <ejrussell61@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2025 11:11:34 -0500
To: john niolon <jniolon@att.net>, Shop Talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] blast media
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IME, Black Beauty (coal slag) is cheap but dusty & dirty. I'm not sure how
long lasting it is, either.

I use Aluminum Oxide - great for rust & paint removal. Avoid using on
machined surfaces (a layer or two of duct tape can be used to prevent
harming machined surfaces).
I have also used crushed glass - made from recycled glass. The sharp edges
cut well without being too aggressive.

Do be careful if you spill any glass beads. It will be like walking on
greased ice...

TP Tools has lots of options with good descriptions of each.
https://www.tptools.com/Abrasives-and-Accessories.html

EjR

On Wed, Dec 17, 2025 at 10:29=E2=80=AFAM john niolon <jniolon@att.net> wrot=
e:

> not MSNBC or CBS    Sand blast cabinet media...   I know that black beaut=
y
> is fairly aggressive and  glass beads or walnut shell is much less so
>
> What is a good type of media for cleaning general low rust metals and
> aluminum... auto parts, etc
>
> john
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:large">IME=
, Black Beauty (coal slag) is cheap but dusty &amp; dirty. I&#39;m not sure=
 how long lasting it is, either.=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" st=
yle=3D"font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fon=
t-size:large">I use Aluminum Oxide - great for rust &amp; paint removal. Av=
oid using on machined surfaces (a layer or two of duct tape can be used to =
prevent harming machined surfaces).=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default"=
 style=3D"font-size:large">I have also used crushed glass - made from recyc=
led glass. The sharp edges cut well without being too aggressive.=C2=A0</di=
v><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:large"><br></div><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:large">Do be careful if you spill a=
ny glass beads. It will be like walking on greased ice...=C2=A0</div><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gm=
ail_default" style=3D"font-size:large">TP Tools has lots of options with go=
od descriptions of each.=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://www.tptools.com/Abrasives-=
and-Accessories.html">https://www.tptools.com/Abrasives-and-Accessories.htm=
l</a>=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:large"><br=
></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:large">EjR=C2=A0</di=
v></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"lt=
r" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Dec 17, 2025 at 10:29=E2=80=AFAM john niolo=
n &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jniolon@att.net">jniolon@att.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>=
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;b=
order-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">

<div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">not MSNBC or CBS=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Sand blast =
cabinet media...=C2=A0=C2=A0 I know that black beauty is fairly aggressive =
and=C2=A0 glass beads or walnut shell </font><font face=3D"Segoe UI">is muc=
h less so</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">What is a good type of media for cleaning gene=
ral low rust metals and aluminum... auto parts, etc </font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">john</font></div>
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">I use Black Diamond coal slag from Tractor S=
upply, $15/50 lb. They have fine &amp; medium. I used fine in my blast cabin=
et for the restoration of my Datsun. It does break down but worked fine for m=
e.&nbsp;<div><br id=3D"lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature"><div dir=3D"ltr">Pat=
 Horne&nbsp;<div>We support Habitat for Humanity</div><div><br></div></div><=
div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Dec 17, 2025, at 10:26=E2=80=AFAM, Eric Russell &lt;e=
jrussell61@gmail.com&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div d=
ir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:large">IME, Black=
 Beauty (coal slag) is cheap but dusty &amp; dirty. I'm not sure how long la=
sting it is, either.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-s=
ize:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:large">=
I use Aluminum Oxide - great for rust &amp; paint removal. Avoid using on ma=
chined surfaces (a layer or two of duct tape can be used to prevent harming m=
achined surfaces).&nbsp;</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-siz=
e:large">I have also used crushed glass - made from recycled glass. The shar=
p edges cut well without being too aggressive.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D"gmai=
l_default" style=3D"font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" s=
tyle=3D"font-size:large">Do be careful if you spill any glass beads. It will=
 be like walking on greased ice...&nbsp;</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" s=
tyle=3D"font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fon=
t-size:large">TP Tools has lots of options with good descriptions of each.&n=
bsp;<a href=3D"https://www.tptools.com/Abrasives-and-Accessories.html">https=
://www.tptools.com/Abrasives-and-Accessories.html</a>&nbsp;</div><div class=3D=
"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_defa=
ult" style=3D"font-size:large">EjR&nbsp;</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_=
quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, D=
ec 17, 2025 at 10:29=E2=80=AFAM john niolon &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jniolon@at=
t.net">jniolon@att.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204=
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<div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">not MSNBC or CBS&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Sand blast c=
abinet media...&nbsp;&nbsp; I know that black beauty is fairly aggressive an=
d&nbsp; glass beads or walnut shell </font><font face=3D"Segoe UI">is much l=
ess so</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">What is a good type of media for cleaning gener=
al low rust metals and aluminum... auto parts, etc </font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">john</font></div>
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Also be careful with your dust collection when using glass or silica
media.  That stuff is REALLY bad to breathe.  The Black Beauty is not great
but no where near as dangerous as some of the finer media.  Walnut shell is
the safest of these.  I use it for sot metals like AL and Brass and it does
a good job most of the time but is not aggressive enough to remove some
types of powder coat.

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> not MSNBC or CBS    Sand blast cabinet media...   I know that black beaut=
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> is fairly aggressive and  glass beads or walnut shell is much less so
>
> What is a good type of media for cleaning general low rust metals and
> aluminum... auto parts, etc
>
> john
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Also be careful with your dust collection when using glass=
 or silica media.=C2=A0 That stuff is REALLY bad to breathe.=C2=A0 The Blac=
k Beauty is not great but no where near as dangerous as some of the finer m=
edia.=C2=A0 Walnut shell is the safest of these.=C2=A0 I use it for sot met=
als like AL and Brass and it does a good job most of the time but is not ag=
gressive enough to remove some types of powder coat.</div><br><div class=3D=
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<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">not MSNBC or CBS=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Sand blast =
cabinet media...=C2=A0=C2=A0 I know that black beauty is fairly aggressive =
and=C2=A0 glass beads or walnut shell </font><font face=3D"Segoe UI">is muc=
h less so</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">What is a good type of media for cleaning gene=
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From: John T Blair <jblair1948@cox.net>
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>Also be careful with your dust collection when using glass or silica media=
.=C2=A0=C2=A0>That stuff is REALLY bad to breathe.=C2=A0 The Black Beauty i=
s not great but no=C2=A0>where near as dangerous as some of the finer media=
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You don't say wither your doing pressure Blasting in the open or using a pl=
asting cabinet.=C2=A0 But either way I strongly recommend that you wear a r=
espirator anytime you are doing any kind of blasting. =C2=A0=20

JohnT
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>From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy:
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                    </span><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span><br></span></div><div>&gt;<span>Also be careful with your dust collection when using glass or silica 
media.&nbsp;&nbsp;</span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span><span>&gt;</span>That stuff is REALLY bad to breathe.&nbsp; The Black Beauty is not 
great but no&nbsp;</span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span><span>&gt;</span>where near as dangerous as some of the finer media .....</span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span>You don't say wither your doing pressure Blasting in the open or using a plasting cabinet.&nbsp; But either way I strongly recommend that you wear a respirator anytime you are doing any kind of blasting. &nbsp; <br></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span>JohnT</span></div><div class="ydp34fc4d3asignature"><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div class="ydpca89bbc3pasted-link"><br><div>
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From: Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2025 18:25:26 -0500
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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] New engine for a Honda?  RESOLUTION
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I thought I would resurrect Moose=E2=80=99s discussion to share a recent =
article from Haggerty on the use of AI to diagnose vehicle problems.  In =
a nutshell, their experience mirrors Moose=E2=80=99s and suggests we =
might all want to add ChatGTP into our toolboxes.

=
https://www.hagerty.com/media/maintenance-and-tech/tested-is-ai-your-next-=
classic-car-mechanic/?utm_source=3DSFMC&utm_medium=3Demail&utm_content=3DM=
ED_UN_NA_EML_UN_UN_WeekendRoadTrip&hashed_email=3Dc8a202749fb3ee180da46bc0=
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> On Nov 21, 2025, at 6:42=E2=80=AFPM, Moose <eric@megageek.com> wrote:
>=20
> Well gurus, I fixed the Honda and I'm almost embarrassed to say it.=20
>=20
> First, I checked the intake for oil thinking that would show me if it =
was a pcv valve that failed.  It was clean.=20
>=20
> HOWEVER, I didn't realize the best way to check them is to just pull =
them out and replace them. (It was $4.50 and $8 for the grommet.)  =
Actually, if you pull them out and shake them, you should hear it =
rattle.=20
>=20
> Well, I replaced it. And no more oil leak!!!!!  I also borescoped the =
cylinders (all were near perfect) and replaced the spark plugs while I =
was there.  Car runs much smoother now as a result!=20
>=20
> So, who was the winner that told me this...=20
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> AI.  That is right, I put the question to ChatGPT and that was the =
first thing it told me to try.  It gave me a nice list of things to try =
in order.=20
>=20
> Since I figured, I was on a roll, I pushed on.  One of the problems =
with the car that we never had the 'radio security code' and after a =
battery replacement, the radio was locked.=20
>=20
> So I found a link to a Honda site where you can recover the codes, but =
it required the S/N of the radio (and car VIN.)  No problem I figured.  =
Taking the radio out was 2 clips and 3 screws to get the dash off of it. =
 HOWEVER, there was a surprise hidden for 'non-Honda' mechanics that may =
try to do this.  The button for the hazard lights has an electrical =
connector attached to it.  Like all automotive connectors, it requires a =
magic spell, 2 incantations, and a bit of unicorn farts to disconnect it =
(Seriously, why can't they standardize electrical connectors?)  =20
> Anyway, when you get it apart, the spring that returns the hazard =
light button is held in-between the switch and the connector.  So guess =
where this spring shoots one you disconnect the plug.  That's right, =
straight into the depths of the dash board.  CRUD!=20
>=20
> Luckily, I found a spring that worked in my 'springs and things' draw =
and was able to get it all back together. So the car now has a radio as =
well.=20
>=20
> In the end, I'm a happy man and the SO thinks I can walk on water.  =
Don't worry, I'm sure I'll screw up soon enough to dispel that image.  =
8>)=20
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> Moose_______________________________________________
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type=3D"cite"><div>On Nov 21, 2025, at 6:42=E2=80=AFPM, Moose =
&lt;eric@megageek.com&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div><font size=3D"2" =
face=3D"sans-serif">Well gurus, I fixed the Honda and I'm almost
embarrassed to say it.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">First, I checked the intake for =
oil
thinking that would show me if it was a pcv valve that failed. &nbsp;It
was clean.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">HOWEVER, I didn't realize the =
best way
to check them is to just pull them out and replace them. (It was $4.50
and $8 for the grommet.) &nbsp;Actually, if you pull them out and shake
them, you should hear it rattle.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Well, I replaced it. And no =
more oil
leak!!!!! &nbsp;I also borescoped the cylinders (all were near perfect)
and replaced the spark plugs while I was there. &nbsp;Car runs much =
smoother
now as a result!</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">So, who was the winner that =
told me
this...</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">AI. &nbsp;That is right, I put =
the question
to ChatGPT and that was the first thing it told me to try. &nbsp;It gave
me a nice list of things to try in order.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Since I figured, I was on a =
roll, I
pushed on. &nbsp;One of the problems with the car that we never had the
'radio security code' and after a battery replacement, the radio was =
locked.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">So I found a link to a Honda =
site where
you can recover the codes, but it required the S/N of the radio (and car
VIN.) &nbsp;No problem I figured. &nbsp;Taking the radio out was 2 clips
and 3 screws to get the dash off of it. &nbsp;HOWEVER, there was a =
surprise
hidden for 'non-Honda' mechanics that may try to do this. &nbsp;The =
button
for the hazard lights has an electrical connector attached to it. =
&nbsp;Like
all automotive connectors, it requires a magic spell, 2 incantations, =
and
a bit of unicorn farts to disconnect it (Seriously, why can't they =
standardize
electrical connectors?) &nbsp;</font>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Anyway, when you get it apart, =
the spring
that returns the hazard light button is held in-between the switch and
the connector. &nbsp;So guess where this spring shoots one you =
disconnect
the plug. &nbsp;That's right, straight into the depths of the dash =
board.
&nbsp;CRUD!</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Luckily, I found a spring that =
worked
in my 'springs and things' draw and was able to get it all back =
together.
So the car now has a radio as well.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">In the end, I'm a happy man and =
the
SO thinks I can walk on water. &nbsp;Don't worry, I'm sure I'll screw up
soon enough to dispel that image. &nbsp;8&gt;)</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" =
face=3D"sans-serif">Moose</font>__________________________________________=
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ChatGPT and Gemini and Claude are useful tools.  But I've run into a 
couple situations where AI answers, Gemini's in particular, were 
complete fabrications.  Most recently, I'd asked Gemini to summarize the 
backstory for an online novel that I've been reading.  Gemini's answers 
were completely believable and, in some cases, completely false. 
Descriptions of events that never occurred and events that did occur but 
involved different characters.  (It was fascinating how the answers wove 
a cohesive picture that wound up at the same place as the original novel 
but took a different path to get there.)

Trust but verify is the name of the game.


On 12/18/25 18:25, Jim Stone wrote:
> I thought I would resurrect Moose’s discussion to share a recent 
> article from Haggerty on the use of AI to diagnose vehicle problems. 
>  In a nutshell, their experience mirrors Moose’s and suggests we might 
> all want to add ChatGTP into our toolboxes.
>
> hagerty.com 
> <https://www.hagerty.com/media/maintenance-and-tech/tested-is-ai-your-next-classic-car-mechanic/?utm_source=SFMC&utm_medium=email&utm_content=MED_UN_NA_EML_UN_UN_WeekendRoadTrip&hashed_email=c8a202749fb3ee180da46bc01753dfea37cacafc792579d503edc6e326ce4e4e&dtm_em=c8a202749fb3ee180da46bc01753dfea37cacafc792579d503edc6e326ce4e4e>
> 	<https://www.hagerty.com/media/maintenance-and-tech/tested-is-ai-your-next-classic-car-mechanic/?utm_source=SFMC&utm_medium=email&utm_content=MED_UN_NA_EML_UN_UN_WeekendRoadTrip&hashed_email=c8a202749fb3ee180da46bc01753dfea37cacafc792579d503edc6e326ce4e4e&dtm_em=c8a202749fb3ee180da46bc01753dfea37cacafc792579d503edc6e326ce4e4e>
>
> <https://www.hagerty.com/media/maintenance-and-tech/tested-is-ai-your-next-classic-car-mechanic/?utm_source=SFMC&utm_medium=email&utm_content=MED_UN_NA_EML_UN_UN_WeekendRoadTrip&hashed_email=c8a202749fb3ee180da46bc01753dfea37cacafc792579d503edc6e326ce4e4e&dtm_em=c8a202749fb3ee180da46bc01753dfea37cacafc792579d503edc6e326ce4e4e>
>
>
>> On Nov 21, 2025, at 6:42 PM, Moose <eric@megageek.com> wrote:
>>
>> Well gurus, I fixed the Honda and I'm almost embarrassed to say it.
>>
>> First, I checked the intake for oil thinking that would show me if it 
>> was a pcv valve that failed.  It was clean.
>>
>> HOWEVER, I didn't realize the best way to check them is to just pull 
>> them out and replace them. (It was $4.50 and $8 for the grommet.) 
>>  Actually, if you pull them out and shake them, you should hear it 
>> rattle.
>>
>> Well, I replaced it. And no more oil leak!!!!!  I also borescoped the 
>> cylinders (all were near perfect) and replaced the spark plugs while 
>> I was there.  Car runs much smoother now as a result!
>>
>> So, who was the winner that told me this...
>>
>> AI.  That is right, I put the question to ChatGPT and that was the 
>> first thing it told me to try.  It gave me a nice list of things to 
>> try in order.
>>
>> Since I figured, I was on a roll, I pushed on.  One of the problems 
>> with the car that we never had the 'radio security code' and after a 
>> battery replacement, the radio was locked.
>>
>> So I found a link to a Honda site where you can recover the codes, 
>> but it required the S/N of the radio (and car VIN.)  No problem I 
>> figured.  Taking the radio out was 2 clips and 3 screws to get the 
>> dash off of it.  HOWEVER, there was a surprise hidden for 'non-Honda' 
>> mechanics that may try to do this.  The button for the hazard lights 
>> has an electrical connector attached to it.  Like all automotive 
>> connectors, it requires a magic spell, 2 incantations, and a bit of 
>> unicorn farts to disconnect it (Seriously, why can't they standardize 
>> electrical connectors?)
>> Anyway, when you get it apart, the spring that returns the hazard 
>> light button is held in-between the switch and the connector.  So 
>> guess where this spring shoots one you disconnect the plug.  That's 
>> right, straight into the depths of the dash board.  CRUD!
>>
>> Luckily, I found a spring that worked in my 'springs and things' draw 
>> and was able to get it all back together. So the car now has a radio 
>> as well.
>>
>> In the end, I'm a happy man and the SO thinks I can walk on water. 
>>  Don't worry, I'm sure I'll screw up soon enough to dispel that 
>> image.  8>)
>>
>> Moose_______________________________________________
>>
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Most
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            <div>On Nov 21, 2025, at 6:42=E2=80=AFPM, Moose
              <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:eric@mega=
geek.com">&lt;eric@megageek.com&gt;</a> wrote:</div>
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            <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Well gurus, I fixed=

                the Honda and I'm almost
                embarrassed to say it.</font>
              <br>
              <br>
              <font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">First, I checked the
                intake for oil
                thinking that would show me if it was a pcv valve that
                failed. =C2=A0It
                was clean.</font>
              <br>
              <br>
              <font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">HOWEVER, I didn't real=
ize
                the best way
                to check them is to just pull them out and replace them.
                (It was $4.50
                and $8 for the grommet.) =C2=A0Actually, if you pull them=
 out
                and shake
                them, you should hear it rattle.</font>
              <br>
              <br>
              <font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Well, I replaced it. A=
nd
                no more oil
                leak!!!!! =C2=A0I also borescoped the cylinders (all were=

                near perfect)
                and replaced the spark plugs while I was there. =C2=A0Car=

                runs much smoother
                now as a result!</font>
              <br>
              <br>
              <font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">So, who was the winner=

                that told me
                this...</font>
              <br>
              <br>
              <font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">AI. =C2=A0That is righ=
t, I put
                the question
                to ChatGPT and that was the first thing it told me to
                try. =C2=A0It gave
                me a nice list of things to try in order.</font>
              <br>
              <br>
              <font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Since I figured, I was=
 on
                a roll, I
                pushed on. =C2=A0One of the problems with the car that we=

                never had the
                'radio security code' and after a battery replacement,
                the radio was locked.</font>
              <br>
              <br>
              <font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">So I found a link to a=

                Honda site where
                you can recover the codes, but it required the S/N of
                the radio (and car
                VIN.) =C2=A0No problem I figured. =C2=A0Taking the radio =
out was 2
                clips
                and 3 screws to get the dash off of it. =C2=A0HOWEVER, th=
ere
                was a surprise
                hidden for 'non-Honda' mechanics that may try to do
                this. =C2=A0The button
                for the hazard lights has an electrical connector
                attached to it. =C2=A0Like
                all automotive connectors, it requires a magic spell, 2
                incantations, and
                a bit of unicorn farts to disconnect it (Seriously, why
                can't they standardize
                electrical connectors?) =C2=A0</font>
              <br>
              <font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Anyway, when you get i=
t
                apart, the spring
                that returns the hazard light button is held in-between
                the switch and
                the connector. =C2=A0So guess where this spring shoots on=
e
                you disconnect
                the plug. =C2=A0That's right, straight into the depths of=
 the
                dash board.
                =C2=A0CRUD!</font>
              <br>
              <br>
              <font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Luckily, I found a spr=
ing
                that worked
                in my 'springs and things' draw and was able to get it
                all back together.
                So the car now has a radio as well.</font>
              <br>
              <br>
              <font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">In the end, I'm a happ=
y
                man and the
                SO thinks I can walk on water. =C2=A0Don't worry, I'm sur=
e
                I'll screw up
                soon enough to dispel that image. =C2=A08&gt;)</font>
              <br>
              <br>
              <font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Moose</font>__________=
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Thread-Topic: [Shop-talk] New engine for a Honda? RESOLUTION
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From: MIQ MILLMAN <miq@bigllama.com>
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2025 19:17:36 -0800
To: Jimmie Mayfield <mayfield+shoptalk@sackheads.org>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] New engine for a Honda? RESOLUTION
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There are many paths up the mountain, but the view is always the same.

Ask the question at least 3 times to get a hint of the true answer is my
experience.

  --Miq

On Thu, Dec 18, 2025 at 5:21=E2=80=AFPM Jimmie Mayfield <
mayfield+shoptalk@sackheads.org> wrote:

> ChatGPT and Gemini and Claude are useful tools.  But I've run into a
> couple situations where AI answers, Gemini's in particular, were complete
> fabrications.  Most recently, I'd asked Gemini to summarize the backstory
> for an online novel that I've been reading.  Gemini's answers were
> completely believable and, in some cases, completely false.  Descriptions
> of events that never occurred and events that did occur but involved
> different characters.  (It was fascinating how the answers wove a cohesiv=
e
> picture that wound up at the same place as the original novel but took a
> different path to get there.)
>
> Trust but verify is the name of the game.
>
>
> On 12/18/25 18:25, Jim Stone wrote:
>
> I thought I would resurrect Moose=E2=80=99s discussion to share a recent =
article
> from Haggerty on the use of AI to diagnose vehicle problems.  In a
> nutshell, their experience mirrors Moose=E2=80=99s and suggests we might =
all want
> to add ChatGTP into our toolboxes.
>
> hagerty.com
> <https://www.hagerty.com/media/maintenance-and-tech/tested-is-ai-your-nex=
t-classic-car-mechanic/?utm_source=3DSFMC&utm_medium=3Demail&utm_content=3D=
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>
> <https://www.hagerty.com/media/maintenance-and-tech/tested-is-ai-your-nex=
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> <https://www.hagerty.com/media/maintenance-and-tech/tested-is-ai-your-nex=
t-classic-car-mechanic/?utm_source=3DSFMC&utm_medium=3Demail&utm_content=3D=
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>
>
> On Nov 21, 2025, at 6:42=E2=80=AFPM, Moose <eric@megageek.com> <eric@mega=
geek.com>
> wrote:
>
> Well gurus, I fixed the Honda and I'm almost embarrassed to say it.
>
> First, I checked the intake for oil thinking that would show me if it was
> a pcv valve that failed.  It was clean.
>
> HOWEVER, I didn't realize the best way to check them is to just pull them
> out and replace them. (It was $4.50 and $8 for the grommet.)  Actually, i=
f
> you pull them out and shake them, you should hear it rattle.
>
> Well, I replaced it. And no more oil leak!!!!!  I also borescoped the
> cylinders (all were near perfect) and replaced the spark plugs while I wa=
s
> there.  Car runs much smoother now as a result!
>
> So, who was the winner that told me this...
>
> AI.  That is right, I put the question to ChatGPT and that was the first
> thing it told me to try.  It gave me a nice list of things to try in orde=
r.
>
> Since I figured, I was on a roll, I pushed on.  One of the problems with
> the car that we never had the 'radio security code' and after a battery
> replacement, the radio was locked.
>
> So I found a link to a Honda site where you can recover the codes, but it
> required the S/N of the radio (and car VIN.)  No problem I figured.  Taki=
ng
> the radio out was 2 clips and 3 screws to get the dash off of it.  HOWEVE=
R,
> there was a surprise hidden for 'non-Honda' mechanics that may try to do
> this.  The button for the hazard lights has an electrical connector
> attached to it.  Like all automotive connectors, it requires a magic spel=
l,
> 2 incantations, and a bit of unicorn farts to disconnect it (Seriously, w=
hy
> can't they standardize electrical connectors?)
> Anyway, when you get it apart, the spring that returns the hazard light
> button is held in-between the switch and the connector.  So guess where
> this spring shoots one you disconnect the plug.  That's right, straight
> into the depths of the dash board.  CRUD!
>
> Luckily, I found a spring that worked in my 'springs and things' draw and
> was able to get it all back together. So the car now has a radio as well.
>
> In the end, I'm a happy man and the SO thinks I can walk on water.  Don't
> worry, I'm sure I'll screw up soon enough to dispel that image.  8>)
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">There are many paths up the mountain, but the view is alwa=
ys the same.<div><br></div><div>Ask the question at least 3 times to get a =
hint of the true answer is my experience.</div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0 -=
-Miq</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Dec 18, 2025 at 5:21=E2=80=AFPM Jim=
mie Mayfield &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mayfield%2Bshoptalk@sackheads.org">mayfi=
eld+shoptalk@sackheads.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gma=
il_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,2=
04,204);padding-left:1ex"><u></u>

 =20
   =20
 =20
  <div>
    <div>ChatGPT and Gemini and Claude are
      useful tools.=C2=A0 But I&#39;ve run into a couple situations where A=
I
      answers, Gemini&#39;s in particular, were complete fabrications.=C2=
=A0 Most
      recently, I&#39;d asked Gemini to summarize the backstory for an
      online novel that I&#39;ve been reading.=C2=A0 Gemini&#39;s answers w=
ere
      completely believable and, in some cases, completely false.=C2=A0
      Descriptions of events that never occurred and events that did
      occur but involved different characters.=C2=A0 (It was fascinating ho=
w
      the answers wove a cohesive picture that wound up at the same
      place as the original novel but took a different path to get
      there.)</div>
    <div><br>
    </div>
    <div>Trust but verify is the name of the
      game.</div>
    <div><br>
    </div>
    <div><br>
    </div>
    <div>On 12/18/25 18:25, Jim Stone wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
     =20
      I thought I would resurrect Moose=E2=80=99s discussion to share a rec=
ent
      article from Haggerty on the use of AI to diagnose vehicle
      problems.=C2=A0 In a nutshell, their experience mirrors Moose=E2=80=
=99s and
      suggests we might all want to add ChatGTP into our toolboxes.
      <div><br>
      </div>
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"32"><a rel=3D"nofollow" href=3D"https://www.hagerty.com/media/maintenance-=
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        <br id=3D"m_7286466524931582655lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage">
        <div><br>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite">
            <div>On Nov 21, 2025, at 6:42=E2=80=AFPM, Moose
              <a href=3D"mailto:eric@megageek.com" target=3D"_blank">&lt;er=
ic@megageek.com&gt;</a> wrote:</div>
            <br>
            <div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Well gurus, I fixed
                the Honda and I&#39;m almost
                embarrassed to say it.</font>
              <br>
              <br>
              <font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">First, I checked the
                intake for oil
                thinking that would show me if it was a pcv valve that
                failed.=C2=A0 It
                was clean.</font>
              <br>
              <br>
              <font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">HOWEVER, I didn&#39;t re=
alize
                the best way
                to check them is to just pull them out and replace them.
                (It was $4.50
                and $8 for the grommet.) =C2=A0Actually, if you pull them o=
ut
                and shake
                them, you should hear it rattle.</font>
              <br>
              <br>
              <font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Well, I replaced it. And
                no more oil
                leak!!!!!=C2=A0 I also borescoped the cylinders (all were
                near perfect)
                and replaced the spark plugs while I was there.=C2=A0 Car
                runs much smoother
                now as a result!</font>
              <br>
              <br>
              <font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">So, who was the winner
                that told me
                this...</font>
              <br>
              <br>
              <font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">AI.=C2=A0 That is right,=
 I put
                the question
                to ChatGPT and that was the first thing it told me to
                try.=C2=A0 It gave
                me a nice list of things to try in order.</font>
              <br>
              <br>
              <font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Since I figured, I was o=
n
                a roll, I
                pushed on.=C2=A0 One of the problems with the car that we
                never had the
                &#39;radio security code&#39; and after a battery replaceme=
nt,
                the radio was locked.</font>
              <br>
              <br>
              <font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">So I found a link to a
                Honda site where
                you can recover the codes, but it required the S/N of
                the radio (and car
                VIN.) =C2=A0No problem I figured.=C2=A0 Taking the radio ou=
t was 2
                clips
                and 3 screws to get the dash off of it.=C2=A0 HOWEVER, ther=
e
                was a surprise
                hidden for &#39;non-Honda&#39; mechanics that may try to do
                this.=C2=A0 The button
                for the hazard lights has an electrical connector
                attached to it.=C2=A0 Like
                all automotive connectors, it requires a magic spell, 2
                incantations, and
                a bit of unicorn farts to disconnect it (Seriously, why
                can&#39;t they standardize
                electrical connectors?) =C2=A0</font>
              <br>
              <font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Anyway, when you get it
                apart, the spring
                that returns the hazard light button is held in-between
                the switch and
                the connector.=C2=A0 So guess where this spring shoots one
                you disconnect
                the plug.=C2=A0 That&#39;s right, straight into the depths =
of the
                dash board.
                =C2=A0CRUD!</font>
              <br>
              <br>
              <font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Luckily, I found a sprin=
g
                that worked
                in my &#39;springs and things&#39; draw and was able to get=
 it
                all back together.
                So the car now has a radio as well.</font>
              <br>
              <br>
              <font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">In the end, I&#39;m a ha=
ppy
                man and the
                SO thinks I can walk on water.=C2=A0 Don&#39;t worry, I&#39=
;m sure
                I&#39;ll screw up
                soon enough to dispel that image. =C2=A08&gt;)</font>
              <br>
              <br>
              <font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Moose</font>____________=
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From: John T Blair <jblair1948@cox.net>
To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
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e local community college.=C2=A0=C2=A0
I haven't been stumped yet.=C2=A0 My son had a problem with his 2011 F150, =
no instrument lights and no start.=C2=A0 We spent about 5 hr. working on it=
 and searching the internet=C2=A0 to no avail. Then he found a youtube vide=
o about the problem.=C2=A0 Turns out a loose connector in the passenger sid=
e front kick panel.=C2=A0 Pulled the panel and sure enough.=C2=A0 Plugged t=
he plug back in and off it went.
These computers and all the support site are our best friends!!!!

JohnT

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Morgan:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 http://autox.team.net/morgan/

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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 - Thank a teacher!If you are reading it i=
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Old Dirtbeard &lt;dirtbeard@live.com&gt; wrote:
                    </font></div>
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                    <div><font size=3D"3">&gt;I have been using MS Copilot,=
 it is bundled with Edge for free and can be&nbsp;</font></div><div><font s=
ize=3D"3">&gt;quite helpful in the initial exploration phase. It can help y=
ou to ask the right&nbsp;</font></div><div><font size=3D"3">&gt;questions..=
...</font></div><div><font size=3D"3"><br></font></div><div dir=3D"ltr" dat=
a-setdir=3D"false"><font size=3D"3">So with all this AI don't forget about =
AllData for the DIYers.&nbsp; You can get a 1 mo. subscription for $20.&nbs=
p; So if you're stumped try that.&nbsp; I keep meaning to as I used one of =
the commercial on-line diagnostic similar to the "Pro" version of AllData w=
hen I was talking auto classes at the local community college.&nbsp;&nbsp;<=
/font></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><font size=3D"3"><br></f=
ont></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><font size=3D"3">I haven't=
 been stumped yet.&nbsp; My son had a problem with his 2011 F150, no instru=
ment lights and no start.&nbsp; We spent about 5 hr. working on it and sear=
ching the internet&nbsp; to no avail. Then he found a youtube video about t=
he problem.&nbsp; Turns out a loose connector in the passenger side front k=
ick panel.&nbsp; Pulled the panel and sure enough.&nbsp; Plugged the plug b=
ack in and off it went.</font></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">=
<font size=3D"3"><br></font></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><f=
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3"><br></font></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><font size=3D"3"=
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John T. Blair&nbsp; WA4OHZ&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; email:&nbsp; jblair1948@=
cox.net</div>
Va. Beach, Va&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Phone:&nbsp; (757) 495-8229<br><br=
>
48 TR1800&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 48 #4 Midget&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 65 Morgan 4/4 Se=
ries V (B1106)<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 77 Spitf=
ire&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 71 Saab Sonett III<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 65 Rambler Classi=
c<br><br>
Morgan:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href=3D"http://autox.team.net/morgan/" rel=3D"=
nofollow" target=3D"_blank">http://autox.team.net/morgan/<br><br></a><div><=
a href=3D"http://autox.team.net/morgan/" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank"=
 class=3D"">
</a>Bricklin:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=3D"http://www.bricklin.o=
rg" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">http://www.bricklin.org</a></div><di=
v><br></div><div>If you can read this&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; - Thank a teacher!</div>=
</div><div>If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!!<br><br>
>From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy:<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; e pluribus Unum, "from many, one."<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; In God We Trust<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Liberty - the&nbsp; power&nbsp; of&nbsp; choosing,=
&nbsp; thinking,&nbsp; and&nbsp; acting&nbsp; for&nbsp; <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; oneself; freedom&nbsp; from&nbsp; control&nbsp;=
 or&nbsp; restriction&nbsp; <br><br>
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John, 

Years ago I used AllData, if I remember correctly, it was mostly just the 
pdfs of the manuals, but not that great.  I remember one time I was 
looking for a sensor on a Mercedes 190D, and the image was just of the 
sensor, but it was an 'illustration' and impossible to figure out where it 
was on the car.

Also, isn't it make specific, or do you get access to all makes/models?

I'm not trying to bad mouth it, but I don't remember it being worth the 
price.  Maybe it's changed.  I'll love to hear more about what you think 
of it, has it gotten better?

But right now, with youtube and AI, I've been getting great results. (but 
I'm always willing to buy another tool!) 8>)

FWIW on the AI side.  The Army released it's own AI and I was totally blow 
away by it.  I had a white paper to write (about 3 pages, in a very 
specific format.)  I just put in the data for each portion of the white 
paper, in normal speaking voice, and in less than 30 seconds, I had a VERY 
professional, perfectly formatted white paper.  It even included some 
additional technical data to expand on what I fed it (and yes, I checked 
it and it was correct.)  I was really impressed.

However, I totally agree that AI needs to be verified and doubled checked. 
 As an instructor in the Army, we have student's try to pass off papers 
that were AI generated and it is very clear what is AI.
I find it's best use is to have it do formatting, and the 'boiler plate' 
work.  The 'substance' needs to come from the person.

Often I need to write a letter or memo, and i just tell it what i need the 
document to say and it formats it perfectly and does all the 'heavy 
lifting' and i just go back and fix/add any details.

Have a great day!
Moose



From:   John T Blair <jblair1948@cox.net>
To:     "shop-talk@autox.team.net" <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Date:   12/19/2025 00:08
Subject:        Re: [Shop-talk] New engine for a Honda? RESOLUTION
Sent by:        "Shop-talk" <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net>



On Thursday, December 18, 2025 at 09:34:23 PM EST, Old Dirtbeard 
<dirtbeard@live.com> wrote: 

>I have been using MS Copilot, it is bundled with Edge for free and can be 

>quite helpful in the initial exploration phase. It can help you to ask 
the right 
>questions.....

So with all this AI don't forget about AllData for the DIYers.  You can 
get a 1 mo. subscription for $20.  So if you're stumped try that.  I keep 
meaning to as I used one of the commercial on-line diagnostic similar to 
the "Pro" version of AllData when I was talking auto classes at the local 
community college. 

I haven't been stumped yet.  My son had a problem with his 2011 F150, no 
instrument lights and no start.  We spent about 5 hr. working on it and 
searching the internet  to no avail. Then he found a youtube video about 
the problem.  Turns out a loose connector in the passenger side front kick 
panel.  Pulled the panel and sure enough.  Plugged the plug back in and 
off it went.

These computers and all the support site are our best friends!!!!

JohnT

John T. Blair  WA4OHZ     email:  jblair1948@cox.net
Va. Beach, Va                  Phone:  (757) 495-8229

48 TR1800    48 #4 Midget    65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106)
     75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887)    77 Spitfire    71 Saab Sonett III
                       65 Rambler Classic

Morgan:    http://autox.team.net/morgan/

Bricklin:     http://www.bricklin.org

If you can read this                   - Thank a teacher!
If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!!

>From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy:
     e pluribus Unum, "from many, one."
     In God We Trust
     Liberty - the  power  of  choosing,  thinking,  and  acting  for 
                  oneself; freedom  from  control  or  restriction 





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<span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">John, </span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Years ago I used
AllData, if I remember correctly, it was mostly just the pdfs of the manuals,
but not that great. &nbsp;I remember one time I was looking for a sensor
on a Mercedes 190D, and the image was just of the sensor, but it was an
'illustration' and impossible to figure out where it was on the car.</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Also, isn't it
make specific, or do you get access to all makes/models?</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">I'm not trying
to bad mouth it, but I don't remember it being worth the price. &nbsp;Maybe
it's changed. &nbsp;I'll love to hear more about what you think of it,
has it gotten better?</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">But right now,
with youtube and AI, I've been getting great results. (but I'm always willing
to buy another tool!) 8&gt;)</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">FWIW on the AI
side. &nbsp;The Army released it's own AI and I was totally blow away by
it. &nbsp;I had a white paper to write (about 3 pages, in a very specific
format.) &nbsp;I just put in the data for each portion of the white paper,
in normal speaking voice, and in less than 30 seconds, I had a VERY professional,
perfectly formatted white paper. &nbsp;It even included some additional
technical data to expand on what I fed it (and yes, I checked it and it
was correct.) &nbsp;I was really impressed.</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">However, I totally
agree that AI needs to be verified and doubled checked. &nbsp;As an instructor
in the Army, we have student's try to pass off papers that were AI generated
and it is very clear what is AI.</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">I find it's best
use is to have it do formatting, and the 'boiler plate' work. &nbsp;The
'substance' needs to come from the person.</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Often I need to
write a letter or memo, and i just tell it what i need the document to
say and it formats it perfectly and does all the 'heavy lifting' and i
just go back and fix/add any details.</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Have a great day!</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Moose</span>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">From:
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">John
T Blair &lt;jblair1948@cox.net&gt;</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">To:
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">&quot;shop-talk@autox.team.net&quot;
&lt;shop-talk@autox.team.net&gt;</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">Date:
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">12/19/2025
00:08</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">Subject:
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">Re:
[Shop-talk] New engine for a Honda? RESOLUTION</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">Sent
by: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">&quot;Shop-talk&quot;
&lt;shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net&gt;</span>
<br>
<hr noshade>
<br>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial">On Thursday, December
18, 2025 at 09:34:23 PM EST, Old Dirtbeard &lt;dirtbeard@live.com&gt; wrote:
</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial">&gt;I have been using
MS Copilot, it is bundled with Edge for free and can be </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial">&gt;quite helpful in
the initial exploration phase. It can help you to ask the right </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial">&gt;questions.....</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial">So with all this AI
don't forget about AllData for the DIYers. &nbsp;You can get a 1 mo. subscription
for $20. &nbsp;So if you're stumped try that. &nbsp;I keep meaning to as
I used one of the commercial on-line diagnostic similar to the &quot;Pro&quot;
version of AllData when I was talking auto classes at the local community
college. &nbsp;</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial">I haven't been stumped
yet. &nbsp;My son had a problem with his 2011 F150, no instrument lights
and no start. &nbsp;We spent about 5 hr. working on it and searching the
internet &nbsp;to no avail. Then he found a youtube video about the problem.
&nbsp;Turns out a loose connector in the passenger side front kick panel.
&nbsp;Pulled the panel and sure enough. &nbsp;Plugged the plug back in
and off it went.</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial">These computers and
all the support site are our best friends!!!!</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial">JohnT</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial">John T. Blair &nbsp;WA4OHZ
&nbsp; &nbsp; email: &nbsp;jblair1948@cox.net</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial">Va. Beach, Va &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Phone: &nbsp;(757)
495-8229<br>
<br>
48 TR1800 &nbsp; &nbsp;48 #4 Midget &nbsp; &nbsp;65 Morgan 4/4 Series V
(B1106)<br>
 &nbsp; &nbsp; 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) &nbsp; &nbsp;77 Spitfire &nbsp;
&nbsp;71 Saab Sonett III<br>
 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; 65 Rambler Classic<br>
<br>
Morgan: &nbsp; &nbsp;</span><a href=http://autox.team.net/morgan/ target=_blank><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial"><u>http://autox.team.net/morgan/<br>
</u></span></a>
<br><a href=http://autox.team.net/morgan/ target=_blank></a><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial">Bricklin:
&nbsp; &nbsp; </span><a href=http://www.bricklin.org/ target=_blank><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial"><u>http://www.bricklin.org</u></span></a>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial">If you can read this
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; - Thank
a teacher!</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial">If you are reading
it in English - Thank a Vet!!<br>
<br>
>From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy:<br>
 &nbsp; &nbsp; e pluribus Unum, &quot;from many, one.&quot;<br>
 &nbsp; &nbsp; In God We Trust<br>
 &nbsp; &nbsp; Liberty - the &nbsp;power &nbsp;of &nbsp;choosing, &nbsp;thinking,
&nbsp;and &nbsp;acting &nbsp;for &nbsp;<br>
 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;oneself;
freedom &nbsp;from &nbsp;control &nbsp;or &nbsp;restriction &nbsp;<br>
</span>
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   On Friday, December 19, 2025 at 04:58:10 AM EST, eric@megageek.com <eric=
@megageek.com> wrote: =20
 >Years ago I usedAllData, if I remember correctly, it was mostly just the =
pdfs of the=C2=A0>manuals,but not that great. =C2=A0I remember one time I w=
as looking for a sensoron a=C2=A0>Mercedes 190D, and the image was just of =
the sensor, but it was an'illustration' and=C2=A0>impossible to figure out =
where it was on the car.=20

Interesting.=C2=A0 I don't remember the name of the system we were using at=
 the school as that was back in 2007.=C2=A0 But it was very good.=C2=A0 I h=
ave several friends that are professional mechanics and they have talked ab=
out using alldata and similar systems and appear to be very happy with the =
results.
>Also, isn't itmake specific, or do you get access to all makes/models?
I believe that may still be true.=C2=A0 Like how many of use hobbyist have =
Lambo's we need to work on.=20

>I'm not tryingto bad mouth it, but I don't remember it being worth the pri=
ce. =C2=A0Maybeit's=C2=A0>changed. =C2=A0I'll love to hear more about what =
you think of it,has it gotten better?=20

In the past I'm pretty sure that's why I never used it.=C2=A0 But reciently=
 I've come across several problems on these newer cars that I definitely co=
uld use some help on and I looked into Alldata.=C2=A0 I think they may have=
 changed their DIY usages.=C2=A0 I thought there was one option for a speci=
fic car and one for maybe 2 or 3 cars.=C2=A0 But last time I looked it seem=
ed to be time duration, like 1 mo.=C2=A0 But for a problem problem, $20 for=
 a mo isn't bad, especially if it helps you find the problem.=C2=A0=20

>But right now,with youtube and AI, I've been getting great results. (but I=
'm always willingto=C2=A0>buy another tool!) 8>)=20

I definitely agree.=C2=A0 I was just trying to say there is an additional t=
ool available that may be worth looking to.=C2=A0 Our cell phones and AI su=
re have helped the DIYer.=C2=A0 I can't believe that we ever got along with=
 out these tools.
>FWIW on the AIside. =C2=A0The Army released it's own AI and I was totally =
blow away byit. =C2=A0I=C2=A0>had a white paper to write (about 3 pages, in=
 a very specificformat.) =C2=A0I just put in the data=C2=A0>for each portio=
n of the white paper,in normal speaking voice, and in less than 30 seconds,=
=C2=A0>I had a VERY professional,perfectly formatted white paper. =C2=A0It =
even included some=C2=A0>additionaltechnical data to expand on what I fed i=
t (and yes, I checked it and itwas=C2=A0>correct.) =C2=A0I was really impre=
ssed.=20

I keep hearing stories like this.=C2=A0 I haven't had the need for anything=
 like that now that I'm retired.=C2=A0 But I have taken some long items I'v=
e written and asked AI to help clean them up and maybe shorten them.=C2=A0 =
What I got back wasn't what I was looking for.=C2=A0 I guess I just didn't =
give it the right guidance.=C2=A0 I need more practice.
>However, I totallyagree that AI needs to be verified and doubled checked. =
=C2=A0As an instructor=C2=A0>in the Army, we have student's try to pass off=
 papers that were AI generatedand it is very=C2=A0>clear what is AI.=C2=A0 =
I find it's bestuse is to have it do formatting, and the 'boiler plate' wor=
k.=C2=A0>The'substance' needs to come from the person.=20

True.=C2=A0 I will use MS Doc's to go over something I've written to check =
my grammar and spelling.=C2=A0 It does a great job at that, a lot better th=
an just a spelling checker.=C2=A0 It will catch things like there and their=
 that a spelling checker won't.=C2=A0 But spelling checkers sure were a gre=
at improvement of nothing! =C2=A0 Me being dyslexic my spelling leaves a lo=
t to be desired.
>Have a great day!=20

Thanks, you also!!!
JohnT


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                <div>
                        On Friday, December 19, 2025 at 04:58:10 AM EST, er=
ic@megageek.com &lt;eric@megageek.com&gt; wrote:
                    </div>
                    <div><br></div>
                    <div><div>&gt;<span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family=
:sans-serif;">Years ago I used
AllData, if I remember correctly, it was mostly just the pdfs of the&nbsp;<=
/span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif;">&gt=
;manuals,
but not that great. &nbsp;I remember one time I was looking for a sensor
on a&nbsp;</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-=
serif;">&gt;Mercedes 190D, and the image was just of the sensor, but it was=
 an
'illustration' and&nbsp;</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;fon=
t-family:sans-serif;">&gt;impossible to figure out where it was on the car.=
</span> <br></div><div><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Int=
eresting.&nbsp; I don't remember the name of the system we were using at th=
e school as that was back in 2007.&nbsp; But it was very good.&nbsp; I have=
 several friends that are professional mechanics and they have talked about=
 using alldata and similar systems and appear to be very happy with the res=
ults.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr=
" data-setdir=3D"false">&gt;<span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-=
serif;">Also, isn't it
make specific, or do you get access to all makes/models?</span></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:=
sans-serif;"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><span =
style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif;">I believe that may still b=
e true.&nbsp; Like how many of use hobbyist have Lambo's we need to work on=
. <img title=3D"Emoji" alt=3D"Emoji" class=3D"yahoo-emoji-wrapper" src=3D"h=
ttps://s.yimg.com/nq/yemoji_assets/latest/yemoji_assets/1f642.png" style=3D=
"padding: 0px 2px; vertical-align: middle;" data-inlineimagemanipulating=3D=
"true" width=3D"16" height=3D"16"><br></span>
</div>
<br clear=3D"none"><div><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-seri=
f;">&gt;I'm not trying
to bad mouth it, but I don't remember it being worth the price. &nbsp;Maybe
it's&nbsp;</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-=
serif;">&gt;changed. &nbsp;I'll love to hear more about what you think of i=
t,
has it gotten better?</span> <br></div><div><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data=
-setdir=3D"false">In the past I'm pretty sure that's why I never used it.&n=
bsp; But reciently I've come across several problems on these newer cars th=
at I definitely could use some help on and I looked into Alldata.&nbsp; I t=
hink they may have changed their DIY usages.&nbsp; I thought there was one =
option for a specific car and one for maybe 2 or 3 cars.&nbsp; But last tim=
e I looked it seemed to be time duration, like 1 mo.&nbsp; But for a proble=
m problem, $20 for a mo isn't bad, especially if it helps you find the prob=
lem.&nbsp; <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">&gt;<span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;">But right now,
with youtube and AI, I've been getting great results. (but I'm always willi=
ng
to&nbsp;</span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><span style=3D"=
font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif;">&gt;buy another tool!) 8&gt;)</span=
> <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"lt=
r" data-setdir=3D"false">I definitely agree.&nbsp; I was just trying to say=
 there is an additional tool available that may be worth looking to.&nbsp; =
Our cell phones and AI sure have helped the DIYer.&nbsp; I can't believe th=
at we ever got along with out these tools.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdi=
r=3D"false"><br></div><div>
&gt;<span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif;">FWIW on the AI
side. &nbsp;The Army released it's own AI and I was totally blow away by
it. &nbsp;I&nbsp;</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-famil=
y:sans-serif;">&gt;had a white paper to write (about 3 pages, in a very spe=
cific
format.) &nbsp;I just put in the data&nbsp;</span></div><div><span style=3D=
"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif;">&gt;for each portion of the white =
paper,
in normal speaking voice, and in less than 30 seconds,&nbsp;</span></div><d=
iv><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif;">&gt;I had a VERY =
professional,
perfectly formatted white paper. &nbsp;It even included some&nbsp;</span></=
div><div><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif;">&gt;additio=
nal
technical data to expand on what I fed it (and yes, I checked it and it
was&nbsp;</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-s=
erif;">&gt;correct.) &nbsp;I was really impressed.</span> <br></div><div><b=
r></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">I keep hearing stories like =
this.&nbsp; I haven't had the need for anything like that now that I'm reti=
red.&nbsp; But I have taken some long items I've written and asked AI to he=
lp clean them up and maybe shorten them.&nbsp; What I got back wasn't what =
I was looking for.&nbsp; I guess I just didn't give it the right guidance.&=
nbsp; I need more practice.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br=
></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">&gt;<span style=3D"font-size:=
10pt;font-family:sans-serif;">However, I totally
agree that AI needs to be verified and doubled checked. &nbsp;As an instruc=
tor&nbsp;</span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><span style=3D=
"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif;">&gt;in the Army, we have student's=
 try to pass off papers that were AI generated
and it is very&nbsp;</span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif;">&gt;clear what is AI.&n=
bsp; </span><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif;">I find i=
t's best
use is to have it do formatting, and the 'boiler plate' work.&nbsp;</span><=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;f=
ont-family:sans-serif;">&gt;The
'substance' needs to come from the person.</span> <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr=
" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Tr=
ue.&nbsp; I will use MS Doc's to go over something I've written to check my=
 grammar and spelling.&nbsp; It does a great job at that, a lot better than=
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