Subject: [Shop-talk] Stuck Spark Plug

From: John T Blair <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2025 23:09:47 +0000 (UTC)

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Was over at my son's house this afternoon.=C2=A0 He's working on his Ford F=
150 up with the turbo (can't remember what Ford calls that - economy of a 6=
 and power of a V8).=C2=A0 He had to replace the valve (rocker box) cover a=
s it was leaking as were the spark plug gaskets as the well the plugs were =
in were foll of oil.=C2=A0 He managed to get it all done.=C2=A0 However, we=
 wanted to change the plugs.=C2=A0 When he tried to break the 1st plug loos=
e, it wouldn't budge.=C2=A0 He was using a 3/8s" ratchet and breaker bar to=
 no avail.=C2=A0 We went looking for a 1/2" to 3/8" adapter so we could get=
 more torque using a larger 1/2" ratchet and or breaker bar, but we couldn'=
t find an adapter.=C2=A0=20

Now this being said, I remember seeing something about using an impact wren=
ch on an ezout because it turns so little that you don't break the ezout.=
=C2=A0 I was wondering if this would work for a stuck spark plug?=C2=A0 We =
did squirt some PB blast doen into the plug wll and let sit for about 5 min=
 and tried again with the 3/8" drive breaker bar.=C2=A0=C2=A0
So my question to the group is:=C2=A0 Do you think that we could use an imp=
act wrench to break the plug loose then once it's broken loose remove it wi=
th the ratchet?
JohnT
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;"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Was over at my son's house t=
his afternoon.&nbsp; He's working on his Ford F150 up with the turbo (can't=
 remember what Ford calls that - economy of a 6 and power of a V8).&nbsp; H=
e had to replace the valve (rocker box) cover as it was leaking as were the=
 spark plug gaskets as the well the plugs were in were foll of oil.&nbsp; H=
e managed to get it all done.&nbsp; However, we wanted to change the plugs.=
&nbsp; When he tried to break the 1st plug loose, it wouldn't budge.&nbsp; =
He was using a 3/8s" ratchet and breaker bar to no avail.&nbsp; We went loo=
king for a 1/2" to 3/8" adapter so we could get more torque using a larger =
1/2" ratchet and or breaker bar, but we couldn't find an adapter.&nbsp; <br=
></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" da=
ta-setdir=3D"false">Now this being said, I remember seeing something about =
using an impact wrench on an ezout because it turns so little that you don'=
t break the ezout.&nbsp; I was wondering if this would work for a stuck spa=
rk plug?&nbsp; We did squirt some PB blast doen into the plug wll and let s=
it for about 5 min and tried again with the 3/8" drive breaker bar.&nbsp;&n=
bsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
 data-setdir=3D"false">So my question to the group is:&nbsp; Do you think t=
hat we could use an impact wrench to break the plug loose then once it's br=
oken loose remove it with the ratchet?</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D=
"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">JohnT</div><div di=
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From: Eric Russell <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2025 18:19:12 -0500

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Impact wrench seems like the high tech version of BFH. It should work -
until something breaks...

https://www.f150forum.com/f38/seized-spark-plug-473499/

EjR

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rote:

> Do you think that we could use an impact wrench to break the plug loose
> then once it's broken loose remove it with the ratchet?
>
> JohnT
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fon=
t-size:large">Impact=C2=A0wrench seems like the high tech version of BFH. I=
t should work - until something breaks...=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_de=
fault" style=3D"font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" sty=
le=3D"font-size:large"><a href=3D"https://www.f150forum.com/f38/seized-spar=
k-plug-473499/">https://www.f150forum.com/f38/seized-spark-plug-473499/</a>=
=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:large"><br></di=
v><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:large">EjR=C2=A0</div></d=
iv><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" cl=
ass=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Nov 10, 2025 at 6:12=E2=80=AFPM John T Blair &lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br=
></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;=
border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div style=3D=
"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-siz=
e:16px"><div dir=3D"ltr">Do you think that we could use an impact wrench to=
 break the plug loose then once it&#39;s broken loose remove it with the ra=
tchet?</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">JohnT</div></div></=
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From: Jim Franklin <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2025 19:06:51 -0500

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> On Nov 10, 2025, at 6:09 PM, John T Blair <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
>=20
> So my question to the group is:  Do you think that we could use an =
impact wrench to break the plug loose then once it's broken loose remove =
it with the ratchet?

I'd be afraid of breaking the ceramic and them you have ceramic shards =
everywhere. I'd soak it for a day with PB Blaster and thhen try =
loosening and tightening with the breaker bar, trying to work a bit of =
play into the threads so the PB can get in even more. But if you have =
steel plugs seized to aluminum heads, maybe just better to keep the =
existing plugs.=20

I'd also go searching on the model-specific forums to see what others =
have done. It's likely a common issue. Good luck!

jim

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after-white-space;"><br><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Nov =
10, 2025, at 6:09 PM, John T Blair &lt;[email-masked]&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div><div =
class=3D"ydp8d52e3e8yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica =
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data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">So =
my question to the group is:&nbsp; Do you think that we could use an =
impact wrench to break the plug loose then once it's broken loose remove =
it with the =
ratchet?</div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><br></div><div>I'd be =
afraid of breaking the ceramic and them you have ceramic shards =
everywhere. I'd soak it for a day with PB Blaster and thhen try =
loosening and tightening with the breaker bar, trying to work a bit of =
play into the threads so the PB can get in even more. But if you have =
steel plugs seized to aluminum heads, maybe just better to keep the =
existing plugs.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>I'd also go searching on =
the model-specific forums to see what others have done. It's likely a =
common issue. Good =
luck!</div><div><br></div><div>jim</div><br></body></html>=

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From: MIQ MILLMAN <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2025 16:22:02 -0800

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The new battery powered impact guns are much better than numbers would
indicate when compared to air powered.  Probably something to do with
electric motors having full torque at 0 rpm.

I have a snap-on 1/2 pneumatic that is rated at 1200 ft-lb break away and
800 ft-lb working torque and a hercules 20v 1/2 drive with a 1000 ft-lb
break away rating,   The battery can remove anything I jam on max effort
with the Snap-on with only 2 or 3 ugga-duggas.

The above is not a non-sequitur, just pointing out that if you do use a
modern battery impact gun, you might be limiting the rotation, you will not
be limiting the effort exerted.

I'd remove the rubber hose inner bit on the spark plug socket so that it
fully seats on the hex faces of the spark plug if you do try this, to limit
breaking the ceramics.

  --Miq

On Mon, Nov 10, 2025 at 3:15=E2=80=AFPM John T Blair <[email-masked]> w=
rote:

> Was over at my son's house this afternoon.  He's working on his Ford F150
> up with the turbo (can't remember what Ford calls that - economy of a 6 a=
nd
> power of a V8).  He had to replace the valve (rocker box) cover as it was
> leaking as were the spark plug gaskets as the well the plugs were in were
> foll of oil.  He managed to get it all done.  However, we wanted to chang=
e
> the plugs.  When he tried to break the 1st plug loose, it wouldn't budge.
> He was using a 3/8s" ratchet and breaker bar to no avail.  We went lookin=
g
> for a 1/2" to 3/8" adapter so we could get more torque using a larger 1/2=
"
> ratchet and or breaker bar, but we couldn't find an adapter.
>
> Now this being said, I remember seeing something about using an impact
> wrench on an ezout because it turns so little that you don't break the
> ezout.  I was wondering if this would work for a stuck spark plug?  We di=
d
> squirt some PB blast doen into the plug wll and let sit for about 5 min a=
nd
> tried again with the 3/8" drive breaker bar.
>
> So my question to the group is:  Do you think that we could use an impact
> wrench to break the plug loose then once it's broken loose remove it with
> the ratchet?
>
> JohnT
>
> John T. Blair  WA4OHZ     email:  [email-masked]
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<div dir=3D"ltr">The new battery powered impact guns are much better than n=
umbers would indicate when compared to air powered.=C2=A0 Probably somethin=
g to do with electric motors having full torque at 0 rpm.<div><br></div><di=
v>I have a snap-on 1/2 pneumatic that is rated at 1200 ft-lb break away and=
 800 ft-lb working torque and a hercules 20v 1/2 drive with a 1000 ft-lb br=
eak away rating,=C2=A0 =C2=A0The battery can remove anything I jam on max e=
ffort with the Snap-on with only 2 or 3 ugga-duggas.</div><div><br></div><d=
iv>The above is not a non-sequitur, just pointing out that if you do use a =
modern battery impact gun, you might be limiting the rotation, you will not=
 be limiting the effort exerted.</div><div><br></div><div>I&#39;d remove th=
e rubber hose inner bit on the spark plug socket so that it fully seats on =
the hex faces of the spark plug if you do try this, to limit breaking the c=
eramics.</div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0 --Miq</div><div><br></div><div><br=
></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_conta=
iner"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Nov 10, 2025 at 3:15=E2=
=80=AFPM John T Blair &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">jblair1948@=
cox.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-lef=
t:1ex"><div><div style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,=
Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Was over at my son&#=
39;s house this afternoon.=C2=A0 He&#39;s working on his Ford F150 up with =
the turbo (can&#39;t remember what Ford calls that - economy of a 6 and pow=
er of a V8).=C2=A0 He had to replace the valve (rocker box) cover as it was=
 leaking as were the spark plug gaskets as the well the plugs were in were =
foll of oil.=C2=A0 He managed to get it all done.=C2=A0 However, we wanted =
to change the plugs.=C2=A0 When he tried to break the 1st plug loose, it wo=
uldn&#39;t budge.=C2=A0 He was using a 3/8s&quot; ratchet and breaker bar t=
o no avail.=C2=A0 We went looking for a 1/2&quot; to 3/8&quot; adapter so w=
e could get more torque using a larger 1/2&quot; ratchet and or breaker bar=
, but we couldn&#39;t find an adapter.=C2=A0 <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br=
></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Now this being said, I remember seeing something ab=
out using an impact wrench on an ezout because it turns so little that you =
don&#39;t break the ezout.=C2=A0 I was wondering if this would work for a s=
tuck spark plug?=C2=A0 We did squirt some PB blast doen into the plug wll a=
nd let sit for about 5 min and tried again with the 3/8&quot; drive breaker=
 bar.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">So my qu=
estion to the group is:=C2=A0 Do you think that we could use an impact wren=
ch to break the plug loose then once it&#39;s broken loose remove it with t=
he ratchet?</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">JohnT</div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr"><br></div>John T. Blair=C2=A0 WA4OHZ=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =
email:=C2=A0 <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">jblair=
[email-masked]</a><div><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,Arial,=
sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div>
Va. Beach, Va=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
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I am a big believer in impact wrenches, air or electric. It is that fast,
hard whack they give that actually puts less torque against the threads.
Penetrating oil may or may not do anything, but if you wanted to soak them
down overnight and then hit it with an impact wrench in the morning, I
would not be surprised if they all came out without any damage.

If they do not need changing at this point (new plugs can last 100K miles)
you might just want to leave sleeping dogs lie.

On Mon, Nov 10, 2025 at 4:30=E2=80=AFPM MIQ MILLMAN <[email-masked]> wrot=
e:

> modern battery impact gun, you might be limiting the rotation, you will n=
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> fully seats on the hex faces of the spark plug if you do try this, to lim=
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> breaking the ceramics.
>
>   --Miq
>
>
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> On Mon, Nov 10, 2025 at 3:15=E2=80=AFPM John T Blair <[email-masked]>=
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>> Was over at my son's house this afternoon.  He's working on his Ford F15=
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>> the plugs.  When he tried to break the 1st plug loose, it wouldn't budge=
.
>> He was using a 3/8s" ratchet and breaker bar to no avail.  We went looki=
ng
>> for a 1/2" to 3/8" adapter so we could get more torque using a larger 1/=
2"
>> ezout.  I was wondering if this would work for a stuck spark plug?  We d=
id
>> squirt some PB blast doen into the plug wll and let sit for about 5 min =
and
>> So my question to the group is:  Do you think that we could use an impac=
t
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">I a=
m a big believer in impact wrenches, air or electric. It is that fast, hard=
 whack they give that actually puts less torque against the threads. Penetr=
ating oil may or may not do anything, but if you wanted to soak them down o=
vernight and then hit it with an impact wrench in the morning, I would not =
be surprised if they all came out without any damage.</div><div class=3D"gm=
ail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_defaul=
t" style=3D"font-size:small">If they do not need changing at this point (ne=
w plugs can last 100K miles) you might just want to leave sleeping dogs lie=
.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Nov 10, 2025 at 4:30=E2=80=AFPM MIQ M=
ILLMAN &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wro=
te:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px =
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"=
ltr">The new battery powered impact guns are much better than numbers would=
 indicate when compared to air powered.=C2=A0 Probably something to do with=
 electric motors having full torque at 0 rpm.<div><br></div><div>I have a s=
nap-on 1/2 pneumatic that is rated at 1200 ft-lb break away and 800 ft-lb w=
orking torque and a hercules 20v 1/2 drive with a 1000 ft-lb break away rat=
ing,=C2=A0 =C2=A0The battery can remove anything I jam on max effort with t=
he Snap-on with only 2 or 3 ugga-duggas.</div><div><br></div><div>The above=
 is not a non-sequitur, just pointing out that if you do use a modern batte=
ry impact gun, you might be limiting the rotation, you will not be limiting=
 the effort exerted.</div><div><br></div><div>I&#39;d remove the rubber hos=
e inner bit on the spark plug socket so that it fully seats on the hex face=
s of the spark plug if you do try this, to limit breaking the ceramics.</di=
v><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0 --Miq</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>=
<br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gm=
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 afternoon.=C2=A0 He&#39;s working on his Ford F150 up with the turbo (can&=
#39;t remember what Ford calls that - economy of a 6 and power of a V8).=C2=
=A0 He had to replace the valve (rocker box) cover as it was leaking as wer=
e the spark plug gaskets as the well the plugs were in were foll of oil.=C2=
=A0 He managed to get it all done.=C2=A0 However, we wanted to change the p=
lugs.=C2=A0 When he tried to break the 1st plug loose, it wouldn&#39;t budg=
e.=C2=A0 He was using a 3/8s&quot; ratchet and breaker bar to no avail.=C2=
=A0 We went looking for a 1/2&quot; to 3/8&quot; adapter so we could get mo=
re torque using a larger 1/2&quot; ratchet and or breaker bar, but we could=
n&#39;t find an adapter.=C2=A0 <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div di=
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 about 5 min and tried again with the 3/8&quot; drive breaker bar.=C2=A0=C2=
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I'm a big fan of impact wrenches, but half-inch, IMO, could be overkill 
(the battery DeWalt I have, IIRC, is rated over 200lb-ft). Also, I 
haven't found air or battery triggers to be very 'featherable.'

I have a 3/8" Craftsman impact I got as part of a kit with an airless 
compressor. Normally, I run pneumatic at 90PSI, but with it I would 
start at, say, 50PSI and work up. Or, if all you have is a half-inch 
start at maybe 30PSI. Make sure the socket is on straight so you don't 
break the ceramic.

Bob

On 11/10/2025 3:09 PM, John T Blair wrote:
> Was over at my son's house this afternoon.  He's working on his Ford 
> F150 up with the turbo (can't remember what Ford calls that - economy 
> of a 6 and power of a V8).  He had to replace the valve (rocker box) 
> cover as it was leaking as were the spark plug gaskets as the well the 
> plugs were in were foll of oil.  He managed to get it all done.  
> However, we wanted to change the plugs.  When he tried to break the 
> 1st plug loose, it wouldn't budge.  He was using a 3/8s" ratchet and 
> breaker bar to no avail.  We went looking for a 1/2" to 3/8" adapter 
> so we could get more torque using a larger 1/2" ratchet and or breaker 
> bar, but we couldn't find an adapter.
>
> ezout.  I was wondering if this would work for a stuck spark plug?  We 
> did squirt some PB blast doen into the plug wll and let sit for about 
> 5 min and tried again with the 3/8" drive breaker bar.
>
> So my question to the group is:  Do you think that we could use an 
> impact wrench to break the plug loose then once it's broken loose 
> remove it with the ratchet?
>
> JohnT
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    I'm a big fan of impact wrenches, but half-inch, IMO, could be
    overkill (the battery DeWalt I have, IIRC, is rated over 200lb-ft).
    Also, I haven't found air or battery triggers to be very
    'featherable.'<br>
    <br>
    I have a 3/8" Craftsman impact I got as part of a kit with an
    airless compressor. Normally, I run pneumatic at 90PSI, but with it
    I would start at, say, 50PSI and work up. Or, if all you have is a
    half-inch start at maybe 30PSI. Make sure the socket is on straight
    so you don't break the ceramic.<br>
    <br>
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          <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Was over at my son's house
            this afternoon.  He's working on his Ford F150 up with the
            turbo (can't remember what Ford calls that - economy of a 6
            and power of a V8).  He had to replace the valve (rocker
            box) cover as it was leaking as were the spark plug gaskets
            as the well the plugs were in were foll of oil.  He managed
            to get it all done.  However, we wanted to change the
            plugs.  When he tried to break the 1st plug loose, it
            wouldn't budge.  He was using a 3/8s" ratchet and breaker
            bar to no avail.  We went looking for a 1/2" to 3/8" adapter
            so we could get more torque using a larger 1/2" ratchet and
            or breaker bar, but we couldn't find an adapter.  <br>
          </div>
          <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br>
          </div>
          <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Now this being said, I
            remember seeing something about using an impact wrench on an
            ezout because it turns so little that you don't break the
            ezout.  I was wondering if this would work for a stuck spark
            plug?  We did squirt some PB blast doen into the plug wll
            and let sit for about 5 min and tried again with the 3/8"
            drive breaker bar.  </div>
          <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br>
          </div>
          <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">So my question to the group
            is:  Do you think that we could use an impact wrench to
            break the plug loose then once it's broken loose remove it
            with the ratchet?</div>
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          <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">JohnT</div>
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Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2025 04:42:29 +0000 (UTC)

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   On Monday, November 10, 2025 at 07:41:27 PM EST,=C2=A0 you wrote:=20

>I am a big believer in impact wrenches, air or electric. It is that fast, =
hard whack they give=C2=A0>that actually puts less torque against the threa=
ds. Penetrating oil may or may not do=C2=A0>anything, but if you wanted to =
soak them down overnight and then hit it with an impact=C2=A0>wrench in the=
 morning, I would not be surprised if they all came out without any damage.=
>
>If they do not need changing at this point (new plugs can last 100K miles)=
 you might just=C2=A0>want to leave sleeping dogs lie.
Douglas,
Currently that's what we are doing.=C2=A0 He got it back together as I was =
leaving.=C2=A0 He said he fired it up, and took for a test drive, no CIL, r=
an fine.=C2=A0 But this is something I've been afraid of=20
with the cars going 100Kmi / plug change.=C2=A0 We really don't know how ma=
ny miles are on these plugs as he's the 3rd owner.=C2=A0 I was figuring tha=
t if he was going to be in there, why not changed the plugs.=C2=A0 But when=
 we ran into this problem he and I agreed, "if it aint broke, don't fix it"=
.
But I've got an 06 Scion xB with 64K mi, and a 12 second gen xB with 74Kmi =
and neither has had the plugs changed.=C2=A0 So I'm worried I may have the =
same problem.
If we decide to get the plugs out in the near future, I'll keep you posted,=
 but don't hold your breath.=20

Thanks to all that responded.
JohnT
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                        On Monday, November 10, 2025 at 07:41:27 PM EST,&nb=
sp; you wrote: <br></div><div><br></div><div>&gt;I am a big believer in imp=
act wrenches, air or electric. It is that fast, hard whack they give&nbsp;<=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><span>&gt;</span>that actually =
puts less torque against the threads. Penetrating oil may or may not do&nbs=
p;</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><span>&gt;</span>anything, b=
ut if you wanted to soak them down overnight and then hit it with an impact=
&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><span>&gt;</span>wrench =
in the morning, I would not be surprised if they all came out without any d=
amage.</div><div><div id=3D"ydp9cf4150fyiv5900319137"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><div style=3D"font-size:small;" class=3D"ydp9cf4150fyiv5900319137gmail_def=
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to leave sleeping dogs lie.</div></div><div><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data=
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</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Currently that's what we are d=
oing.&nbsp; He got it back together as I was leaving.&nbsp; He said he fire=
d it up, and took for a test drive, no CIL, ran fine.&nbsp; But this is som=
ething I've been afraid of <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"=
>with the cars going 100Kmi / plug change.&nbsp; We really don't know how m=
any miles are on these plugs as he's the 3rd owner.&nbsp; I was figuring th=
at if he was going to be in there, why not changed the plugs.&nbsp; But whe=
n we ran into this problem he and I agreed, "if it aint broke, don't fix it=
".</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" d=
ata-setdir=3D"false">But I've got an 06 Scion xB with 64K mi, and a 12 seco=
nd gen xB with 74Kmi and neither has had the plugs changed.&nbsp; So I'm wo=
rried I may have the same problem.<img title=3D"Emoji" alt=3D"Emoji" class=
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v dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=
=3D"false">If we decide to get the plugs out in the near future, I'll keep =
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dir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Thanks to al=
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Are you trying to get them out on a hot or cold engine? Toss the ratchet
with the plug wrench and a pair of thick gloves (for the heat) in the
center console and next time he parks it after a nice long drive on the
highway have him try the plugs right away. That aluminum head will have a
much higher coefficient of linear expansion than steel so getting it good
and hot should give you a better shot.

-Paul

On Mon, Nov 10, 2025 at 11:59=E2=80=AFPM John T Blair <[email-masked]> =
wrote:

> On Monday, November 10, 2025 at 07:41:27 PM EST,  you wrote:
>
> >I am a big believer in impact wrenches, air or electric. It is that fast=
,
> hard whack they give
> >that actually puts less torque against the threads. Penetrating oil may
> or may not do
> >anything, but if you wanted to soak them down overnight and then hit it
> with an impact
> >wrench in the morning, I would not be surprised if they all came out
> without any damage.
> >
> >If they do not need changing at this point (new plugs can last 100K
> miles) you might just
> >want to leave sleeping dogs lie.
>
> Douglas,
>
> Currently that's what we are doing.  He got it back together as I was
> leaving.  He said he fired it up, and took for a test drive, no CIL, ran
> fine.  But this is something I've been afraid of
> with the cars going 100Kmi / plug change.  We really don't know how many
> miles are on these plugs as he's the 3rd owner.  I was figuring that if h=
e
> was going to be in there, why not changed the plugs.  But when we ran int=
o
> this problem he and I agreed, "if it aint broke, don't fix it".
>
> But I've got an 06 Scion xB with 64K mi, and a 12 second gen xB with 74Km=
i
> and neither has had the plugs changed.  So I'm worried I may have the sam=
e
> problem.
>
> If we decide to get the plugs out in the near future, I'll keep you
> posted, but don't hold your breath.
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Are you trying to get them out on a hot or cold engin=
e? Toss the ratchet with the plug wrench and a pair of thick gloves (for th=
e heat) in the center console=C2=A0and next time he parks it after a nice l=
ong drive on the highway have him try the plugs right away. That aluminum h=
ead will have a much higher coefficient of linear expansion than steel so g=
etting it good and hot should give you a better shot.</div><div><br></div><=
div>-Paul</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div di=
r=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Nov 10, 2025 at 11:59=E2=80=AFPM Joh=
n T Blair &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&=
gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>=
<div style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-s=
erif;font-size:16px"><div id=3D"m_-1629173282330737631ydp9cf4150fyahoo_quot=
ed_3356569708">
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Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:rgb(38,40,42)">
               =20
                <div>
                        On Monday, November 10, 2025 at 07:41:27 PM EST,=C2=
=A0 you wrote: <br></div><div><br></div><div>&gt;I am a big believer in imp=
act wrenches, air or electric. It is that fast, hard whack they give=C2=A0<=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr"><span>&gt;</span>that actually puts less torque again=
st the threads. Penetrating oil may or may not do=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"lt=
r"><span>&gt;</span>anything, but if you wanted to soak them down overnight=
 and then hit it with an impact=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><span>&gt;</spa=
n>wrench in the morning, I would not be surprised if they all came out with=
out any damage.</div><div><div id=3D"m_-1629173282330737631ydp9cf4150fyiv59=
00319137"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-size:small" dir=3D"ltr">=
<span>&gt;</span><br clear=3D"none"></div><div style=3D"font-size:small" di=
r=3D"ltr"><span>&gt;</span>If they do not need changing at this point (new =
plugs can last 100K miles) you might just=C2=A0</div><div style=3D"font-siz=
e:small" dir=3D"ltr"><span>&gt;</span>want to leave sleeping dogs lie.</div=
></div><div><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Douglas,</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr">Currently that&#39;s what we are doing.=C2=A0 He got =
it back together as I was leaving.=C2=A0 He said he fired it up, and took f=
or a test drive, no CIL, ran fine.=C2=A0 But this is something I&#39;ve bee=
n afraid of <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">with the cars going 100Kmi / plug ch=
ange.=C2=A0 We really don&#39;t know how many miles are on these plugs as h=
e&#39;s the 3rd owner.=C2=A0 I was figuring that if he was going to be in t=
here, why not changed the plugs.=C2=A0 But when we ran into this problem he=
 and I agreed, &quot;if it aint broke, don&#39;t fix it&quot;.</div><div di=
r=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">But I&#39;ve got an 06 Scion xB with 6=
4K mi, and a 12 second gen xB with 74Kmi and neither has had the plugs chan=
ged.=C2=A0 So I&#39;m worried I may have the same problem.<img title=3D"Emo=
ji" alt=3D"Emoji" src=3D"https://s.yimg.com/nq/yemoji_assets/latest/yemoji_=
assets/2639.png" style=3D"padding: 0px 2px; vertical-align: middle;" width=
=3D"16" height=3D"16"></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">If =
we decide to get the plugs out in the near future, I&#39;ll keep you posted=
, but don&#39;t hold your breath. <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div=
 dir=3D"ltr">Thanks to all that responded.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr">JohnT</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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Hi Paul,

That is a great suggestion about trying it once the heads are hot,
particularly for an aluminum head engine. Great advice!

On Tue, Nov 11, 2025 at 5:18=E2=80=AFAM Paul Parkanzky <[email-masked]=

> On Mon, Nov 10, 2025 at 11:59=E2=80=AFPM John T Blair <[email-masked]=
> wrote:
>
>> >I am a big believer in impact wrenches, air or electric. It is that
>> fast, hard whack they give
>> miles are on these plugs as he's the 3rd owner.  I was figuring that if =
he
>> was going to be in there, why not changed the plugs.  But when we ran in=
to
>> But I've got an 06 Scion xB with 64K mi, and a 12 second gen xB with
>> 74Kmi and neither has had the plugs changed.  So I'm worried I may have =
the
>> Thanks to all that responded.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Hi =
Paul,</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div=
><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">That is a great sug=
gestion about trying it once the heads are hot, particularly for an aluminu=
m head engine. Great advice!</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail=
_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Nov 11, 202=
5 at 5:18=E2=80=AFAM Paul Parkanzky &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
om">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_=
quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,=
204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Are you trying to get them out=
 on a hot or cold engine? Toss the ratchet with the plug wrench and a pair =
of thick gloves (for the heat) in the center console=C2=A0and next time he =
parks it after a nice long drive on the highway have him try the plugs righ=
t away. That aluminum head will have a much higher coefficient of linear ex=
pansion than steel so getting it good and hot should give you a better shot=
.</div><div><br></div><div>-Paul</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Nov 10, 2025 at 11:59=E2=80=AFPM Jo=
hn T Blair &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">jbla=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" st=
yle=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padd=
ing-left:1ex"><div><div style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Hel=
vetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id=3D"m_8678888934215367342m_-=
1629173282330737631ydp9cf4150fyahoo_quoted_3356569708">
            <div style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,=
Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:rgb(38,40,42)">
               =20
                <div>
                        On Monday, November 10, 2025 at 07:41:27 PM EST,=C2=
=A0 you wrote: <br></div><div><br></div><div>&gt;I am a big believer in imp=
act wrenches, air or electric. It is that fast, hard whack they give=C2=A0<=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr"><span>&gt;</span>that actually puts less torque again=
st the threads. Penetrating oil may or may not do=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"lt=
r"><span>&gt;</span>anything, but if you wanted to soak them down overnight=
 and then hit it with an impact=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><span>&gt;</spa=
n>wrench in the morning, I would not be surprised if they all came out with=
out any damage.</div><div><div id=3D"m_8678888934215367342m_-16291732823307=
37631ydp9cf4150fyiv5900319137"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-siz=
e:small" dir=3D"ltr"><span>&gt;</span><br clear=3D"none"></div><div style=
=3D"font-size:small" dir=3D"ltr"><span>&gt;</span>If they do not need chang=
ing at this point (new plugs can last 100K miles) you might just=C2=A0</div=
><div style=3D"font-size:small" dir=3D"ltr"><span>&gt;</span>want to leave =
sleeping dogs lie.</div></div><div><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Douglas,</div=
><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Currently that&#39;s what we a=
re doing.=C2=A0 He got it back together as I was leaving.=C2=A0 He said he =
fired it up, and took for a test drive, no CIL, ran fine.=C2=A0 But this is=
 something I&#39;ve been afraid of <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">with the cars=
 going 100Kmi / plug change.=C2=A0 We really don&#39;t know how many miles =
are on these plugs as he&#39;s the 3rd owner.=C2=A0 I was figuring that if =
he was going to be in there, why not changed the plugs.=C2=A0 But when we r=
an into this problem he and I agreed, &quot;if it aint broke, don&#39;t fix=
 it&quot;.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">But I&#39;ve go=
t an 06 Scion xB with 64K mi, and a 12 second gen xB with 74Kmi and neither=
 has had the plugs changed.=C2=A0 So I&#39;m worried I may have the same pr=
oblem.<img title=3D"Emoji" alt=3D"Emoji" style=3D"padding: 0px 2px; vertica=
l-align: middle;" width=3D"16" height=3D"16"></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></d=
iv><div dir=3D"ltr">If we decide to get the plugs out in the near future, I=
&#39;ll keep you posted, but don&#39;t hold your breath. <br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks to all that responded.</div><div=
 dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">JohnT</div></div></div></div></div>=
</div></div></div>
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