Subject: [Shop-talk] Turn the engine off

From: John T Blair <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2025 03:06:46 +0000 (UTC)

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I've just run into this problem twice now in the last month.=C2=A0 I have a=
 ODB II scanner, a Actron CP9680 I bought back in 2021.=C2=A0 A couple of w=
eeks ago I tried to read the codes on a late model KIA and to day on a 2018=
 Cadillac.=C2=A0=20

When I plugged the scanner in to both cars, it displayed turn the engine of=
f.
Well both of these cars had keyless ignitions.=C2=A0 So does anyone know ho=
w do you turn off the ignition on a keyless system?
JohnT,

John T. Blair=C2=A0 WA4OHZ=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 email:=C2=A0 jblair1948@=
cox.netVa. Beach, Va=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Phone:=C2=A0 (757) 495-822=
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48 TR1800=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 48 #4 Midget=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 65 Morgan 4/4 Se=
ries V (B1106)
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ire=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 71 Saab Sonett III
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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 - Thank a teacher!
If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!!

>From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy:
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 e pluribus Unum, "from many, one."
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 In God We Trust
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;"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">I've just run into this prob=
lem twice now in the last month.&nbsp; I have a ODB II scanner, a Actron CP=
9680 I bought back in 2021.&nbsp; A couple of weeks ago I tried to read the=
 codes on a late model KIA and to day on a 2018 Cadillac.&nbsp; <br></div><=
div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdi=
r=3D"false">When I plugged the scanner in to both cars, it displayed turn t=
he engine off.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Well both of these cars had keyless igniti=
ons.&nbsp; So does anyone know how do you turn off the ignition on a keyles=
s system?</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D=
"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">JohnT,</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"fal=
se"><br></div><div><br></div><div class=3D"ydp8d77b4c7signature"><div dir=
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John T. Blair&nbsp; WA4OHZ&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; email:&nbsp; jblair1948@=
cox.net</div>
Va. Beach, Va&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Phone:&nbsp; (757) 495-8229<br><br=
48 TR1800&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 48 #4 Midget&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 65 Morgan 4/4 Se=
ries V (B1106)<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 77 Spitf=
ire&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 71 Saab Sonett III<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 65 Rambler Classi=
c<br><br>
Morgan:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href=3D"http://autox.team.net/morgan/" rel=3D"=
nofollow" target=3D"_blank">http://autox.team.net/morgan/<br><br>
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rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">http://www.bricklin.org<br><br>
</a>If you can read this&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - Thank a teacher!<br>
If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!!<br><br>
>From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy:<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; e pluribus Unum, "from many, one."<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; In God We Trust<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Liberty - the&nbsp; power&nbsp; of&nbsp; choosing,=
&nbsp; thinking,&nbsp; and&nbsp; acting&nbsp; for&nbsp; <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; oneself; freedom&nbsp; from&nbsp; control&nbsp;=
 or&nbsp; restriction&nbsp; <br><br>
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From: Moose <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2025 23:49:07 -0400 10/22/2025 11:49:14 PM, Serialize complete at 10/22/2025 11:49:14 PM

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John,

If I'm understanding what you are asking, you need to run the car in 
'accessory mode' only.  That means all systems on, but the engine isn't 
running.

Normally, in keyless cars, you just hit the 'start' button without 
pressing the brake.  The same thing to shut off this mode.

I don't know if that is what you are asking, if not, let me know.

Moose

From:   John T Blair <[email-masked]>
To:     "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>
Date:   10/22/2025 23:11
Subject:        [Shop-talk] Turn the engine off
Sent by:        "Shop-talk" <[email-masked]>

I've just run into this problem twice now in the last month.  I have a ODB 
II scanner, a Actron CP9680 I bought back in 2021.  A couple of weeks ago 
I tried to read the codes on a late model KIA and to day on a 2018 
Cadillac. 

When I plugged the scanner in to both cars, it displayed turn the engine 
off.

Well both of these cars had keyless ignitions.  So does anyone know how do 
you turn off the ignition on a keyless system?

JohnT,

John T. Blair  WA4OHZ     email:  [email-masked]
Va. Beach, Va                  Phone:  (757) 495-8229

48 TR1800    48 #4 Midget    65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106)
     75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887)    77 Spitfire    71 Saab Sonett III
                       65 Rambler Classic

Morgan:    http://autox.team.net/morgan/

Bricklin:     http://www.bricklin.org

If you can read this             - Thank a teacher!
If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!!

>From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy:
     e pluribus Unum, "from many, one."
     In God We Trust
     Liberty - the  power  of  choosing,  thinking,  and  acting  for 
                  oneself; freedom  from  control  or  restriction 

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<font size=2 face="sans-serif">John,</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">If I'm understanding what you are asking,
you need to run the car in 'accessory mode' only. &nbsp;That means all
systems on, but the engine isn't running.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Normally, in keyless cars, you just
hit the 'start' button without pressing the brake. &nbsp;The same thing
to shut off this mode.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I don't know if that is what you are
asking, if not, let me know.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Moose</font>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">From: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp;</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">John T Blair &lt;[email-masked]&gt;</font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">To: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp;</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">&quot;[email-masked]&quot;
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">Date: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp;</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">10/22/2025 23:11</font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">Subject: &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp;</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">[Shop-talk]
Turn the engine off</font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">Sent by: &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp;</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">&quot;Shop-talk&quot;
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</font>
<br>
<hr noshade>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=3 face="Arial">I've just run into this problem twice now
in the last month. &nbsp;I have a ODB II scanner, a Actron CP9680 I bought
back in 2021. &nbsp;A couple of weeks ago I tried to read the codes on
a late model KIA and to day on a 2018 Cadillac. &nbsp;</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3 face="Arial">When I plugged the scanner in to both cars,
it displayed turn the engine off.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3 face="Arial">Well both of these cars had keyless ignitions.
&nbsp;So does anyone know how do you turn off the ignition on a keyless
system?</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3 face="Arial">JohnT,</font>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=3 face="Arial">John T. Blair &nbsp;WA4OHZ &nbsp; &nbsp;
email: &nbsp;[email-masked]</font>
<br><font size=3 face="Arial">Va. Beach, Va &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Phone: &nbsp;(757) 495-8229<br>
<br>
48 TR1800 &nbsp; &nbsp;48 #4 Midget &nbsp; &nbsp;65 Morgan 4/4 Series V
(B1106)<br>
 &nbsp; &nbsp; 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) &nbsp; &nbsp;77 Spitfire &nbsp;
&nbsp;71 Saab Sonett III<br>
 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; 65 Rambler Classic<br>
<br>
Morgan: &nbsp; &nbsp;</font><a href=http://autox.team.net/morgan/ target=_blank><font size=3 color=blue face="Arial"><u>http://autox.team.net/morgan/<br>
</u></font></a><font size=3 face="Arial"><br>
Bricklin: &nbsp; &nbsp; </font><a href=http://www.bricklin.org/ target=_blank><font size=3 color=blue face="Arial"><u>http://www.bricklin.org<br>
</u></font></a><font size=3 face="Arial"><br>
If you can read this &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; - Thank
a teacher!<br>
If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!!<br>
<br>
>From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy:<br>
 &nbsp; &nbsp; e pluribus Unum, &quot;from many, one.&quot;<br>
 &nbsp; &nbsp; In God We Trust<br>
 &nbsp; &nbsp; Liberty - the &nbsp;power &nbsp;of &nbsp;choosing, &nbsp;thinking,
&nbsp;and &nbsp;acting &nbsp;for &nbsp;<br>
 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;oneself;
freedom &nbsp;from &nbsp;control &nbsp;or &nbsp;restriction &nbsp;<br>
<br>
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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2025 07:41:51 -0500

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utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">In m=
ost keyless ignitions, pushing the start button turns the engine off, if it=E2=
=80=99s running. Pressing the button, without pressing the brake turns on ac=
cessory mode, so you can listen to the radio and open windows.&nbsp;</div><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">If you want to be in =E2=80=9Ckey o=
n, engine off=E2=80=99, you press and hold the button, without the brake, un=
til it turns on. 10 seconds or more in some cars. &nbsp;This is probably wha=
t your tool wants. Be aware that the draw in this position is pretty high, a=
nd the reserve capacity of batteries is not great, so you may need to hook u=
p a charger if you=E2=80=99re going to be working for more than a few minute=
s.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Oct 22,=
 2025, at 22:16, John T Blair &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blo=
ckquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div class=
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ica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D=
"false">I've just run into this problem twice now in the last month.&nbsp; I=
 have a ODB II scanner, a Actron CP9680 I bought back in 2021.&nbsp; A coupl=
e of weeks ago I tried to read the codes on a late model KIA and to day on a=
 2018 Cadillac.&nbsp; <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br><=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">When I plugged the scanner in to=
 both cars, it displayed turn the engine off.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-set=
dir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Well both of t=
hese cars had keyless ignitions.&nbsp; So does anyone know how do you turn o=
ff the ignition on a keyless system?</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"fa=
lse"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">JohnT,</div><div dir=3D=
"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div><br></div><div class=3D"ydp8d77b4=
c7signature"><div dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-se=
rif;font-size:16px;"><div class=3D"ydpca89bbc3pasted-link"><br><div>
John T. Blair&nbsp; WA4OHZ&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; email:&nbsp; jblair1948@c=
ox.net</div>
Va. Beach, Va&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Phone:&nbsp; (757) 495-8229<br><br>
48 TR1800&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 48 #4 Midget&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 65 Morgan 4/4 Ser=
ies V (B1106)<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 77 Spitfi=
re&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 71 Saab Sonett III<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 65 Rambler Classic<=
br><br>
Morgan:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href=3D"http://autox.team.net/morgan/" rel=3D"n=
ofollow" target=3D"_blank">http://autox.team.net/morgan/<br><br>
</a>Bricklin:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href=3D"http://www.bricklin.org/" r=
el=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">http://www.bricklin.org<br><br>
</a>If you can read this&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - Thank a teacher!<br>
If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!!<br><br>
=46rom Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy:<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; e pluribus Unum, "from many, one."<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; In God We Trust<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Liberty - the&nbsp; power&nbsp; of&nbsp; choosing,&=
nbsp; thinking,&nbsp; and&nbsp; acting&nbsp; for&nbsp; <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; oneself; freedom&nbsp; from&nbsp; control&nbsp; o=
r&nbsp; restriction&nbsp; <br><br>
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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2025 14:24:13 +0000 (UTC)

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   On Wednesday, October 22, 2025 at 11:49:09 PM EDT, Moose wrote: =20
>If I'm understanding what you are asking,you need to run the car in=C2=A0>=
'accessory mode' only. =C2=A0That means allsystems on, but the engine isn't=
=C2=A0>running.>
>Normally, in keyless cars, you justhit the 'start' button without pressing=
 the>brake. =C2=A0The same thingto shut off this mode.
>I don't know if that is what you areasking, if not, let me know.
Moose,
Great answer.=C2=A0 Thanks,=C2=A0 I think that is what I was asking.=C2=A0 =
I've never driven a keyless car.=C2=A0 It's hard to imagine a car without a=
 key.=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 At least for me.
The person that owned the Cady had stopped by to show me the new-to-her=C2=
=A0 new car.=C2=A0 As an after thought she said she had an appointment with=
 the dealership to have the check engine light checked.=C2=A0 She told me t=
he story about the 1st time she rented a keyless car.=C2=A0 She went to an =
out of town friend house.=C2=A0 When she got the, she got out of the car an=
d went inside.=C2=A0 No Key.=C2=A0 So she didn't think a think about it.=C2=
=A0 Then next morning she went out there and the car was out of gas.=C2=A0 =
It ran from about 5 pm till some time in the morning when it ran out of gas=
.=20

Thanks again.=C2=A0 I'll try to remember that next time I run into that.
JohnT,

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data-setdir=3D"false"><font size=3D"3"><font face=3D"sans-serif"><span><fon=
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.</font></font></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><font size=3D"3=
"><font face=3D"sans-serif"><span><font style=3D"background-color: inherit;=
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a-setdir=3D"false"><div><font size=3D"3"><font face=3D"sans-serif"><span><f=
ont style=3D"background-color: inherit;" size=3D"3">&gt;</font></span></fon=
t><font face=3D"sans-serif">Normally, in keyless cars, you just
hit the 'start' button without pressing the</font></font></div><div dir=3D"=
ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><font size=3D"3"><font face=3D"sans-serif"><span=
><font style=3D"background-color: inherit;" size=3D"3">&gt;</font></span>br=
ake. &nbsp;The same thing
to shut off this mode.</font></font></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"f=
alse"><font size=3D"3"><font face=3D"sans-serif"><br></font></font></div><d=
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ns-serif"><span><font style=3D"background-color: inherit;" size=3D"3">&gt;<=
/font></span></font><font face=3D"sans-serif">I don't know if that is what =
you are
asking, if not, let me know.</font>
</font></div></div><div><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">
<div><font size=3D"3"><font face=3D"sans-serif">Moose</font>,</font></div><=
/div><div><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><font size=3D"3"=
>Great answer.&nbsp; Thanks,&nbsp; I think that is what I was asking.&nbsp;=
 I've never driven a keyless car.&nbsp; It's hard to imagine a car without =
a key.&nbsp;&nbsp; <img title=3D"Emoji" alt=3D"Emoji" class=3D"yahoo-emoji-=
wrapper" src=3D"https://s.yimg.com/nq/yemoji_assets/latest/yemoji_assets/1f=
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gemanipulating=3D"true" width=3D"16" height=3D"16">&nbsp; At least for me.<=
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ont></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><font size=3D"3">The perso=
n that owned the Cady had stopped by to show me the new-to-her&nbsp; new ca=
r.&nbsp; As an after thought she said she had an appointment with the deale=
rship to have the check engine light checked.&nbsp; She told me the story a=
bout the 1st time she rented a keyless car.&nbsp; She went to an out of tow=
n friend house.&nbsp; When she got the, she got out of the car and went ins=
ide.&nbsp; No Key.&nbsp; So she didn't think a think about it.&nbsp; Then n=
ext morning she went out there and the car was out of gas.&nbsp; It ran fro=
m about 5 pm till some time in the morning when it ran out of gas. <br></fo=
nt></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><font size=3D"3"><br></font=
></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><font size=3D"3">Thanks again=
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> In recent Subarus with push button ignition, if you turn off the engine in
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John,

That is how I did it with our 2024 Mazda 3 when attempting to program 
new TPMS sensors.

As an aside, at least some cars stay in this accessory mode for a 
limited time. We once took an earlier Mazda to a drive in movie 
(Remember those? A few do still exist!)  and the modern technique is to 
play the sound on your car's FM radio. When the system times out, the 
system needs to be recycled, and the automatic lights and the interior 
lights come on. Kind of kills the mood and annoys your neighbors.

Jim

On 10/22/2025 11:49 PM, Moose wrote:
> 'accessory mode' only.  That means all systems on, but the engine 
> isn't running.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> I've just run into this problem twice now in the last month.  I have a 
> ODB II scanner, a Actron CP9680 I bought back in 2021.  A couple of 
> weeks ago I tried to read the codes on a late model KIA and to day on 
> a 2018 Cadillac.
>
> When I plugged the scanner in to both cars, it displayed turn the 
> engine off.
>
> Well both of these cars had keyless ignitions.  So does anyone know 
> how do you turn off the ignition on a keyless system?
>
> JohnT,
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    John,<br>
    <br>
    That is how I did it with our 2024 Mazda 3 when attempting to
    program new TPMS sensors.<br>
    <br>
    As an aside, at least some cars stay in this accessory mode for a
    limited time. We once took an earlier Mazda to a drive in movie
    (Remember those? A few do still exist!)  and the modern technique is
    to play the sound on your car's FM radio. When the system times out,
    the system needs to be recycled, and the automatic lights and the
    interior lights come on. Kind of kills the mood and annoys your
    neighbors.<br>
    <br>
    Jim
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      <font size="2" face="sans-serif">John,</font>
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      <font size="2" face="sans-serif">If I'm understanding what you are
        asking,
        you need to run the car in 'accessory mode' only.  That means
        all
        systems on, but the engine isn't running.</font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font size="2" face="sans-serif">Normally, in keyless cars, you
        just
        hit the 'start' button without pressing the brake.  The same
        thing
        to shut off this mode.</font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font size="2" face="sans-serif">I don't know if that is what you
        are
        asking, if not, let me know.</font>
      <br>
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      <font size="2" face="sans-serif">Moose</font>
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      <font size="1" color="#5f5f5f" face="sans-serif">From:      
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      <font size="1" color="#5f5f5f" face="sans-serif">Subject:    
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        Turn the engine off</font>
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        now
        in the last month.  I have a ODB II scanner, a Actron CP9680 I
        bought
        back in 2021.  A couple of weeks ago I tried to read the codes
        on
        a late model KIA and to day on a 2018 Cadillac.  </font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font size="3" face="Arial">When I plugged the scanner in to both
        cars,
        it displayed turn the engine off.</font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font size="3" face="Arial">Well both of these cars had keyless
        ignitions.
         So does anyone know how do you turn off the ignition on a
        keyless
        system?</font>
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On Thu, Oct 23, 2025 at 11:09=E2=80=AFAM Jim Juhas <[email-masked]>=
 wrote:

>  We once took an earlier Mazda to a drive in movie (Remember those? A few
> do still exist!)  and the modern technique is to play the sound on your
> car's FM radio. When the system times out, the system needs to be recycle=
d,
> and the automatic lights and the interior lights come on. Kind of kills t=
he
> mood and annoys your neighbors.
>

I made this mistake once.  Never again.

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is
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    the system needs to be recycled, and the automatic lights and the
    interior lights come on. Kind of kills the mood and annoys your
    neighbors.</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I made this mistake on=
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