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The shipper I tried said I need a business license to avoid a cost of three= times what it would be otherwise. (this is BS) I tried a third-party shipper who also told me that I needed a business lic= ense before they could help me. So..............any suggestions for a company that will ship a crate afford= ably for an average person? I have a UPS account and will be calling them t= his afternoon but an already certain that they will be stupid expensive. Any of you have a business license that would be willing to let me use it t= o set up this shipping? A big ask, I know but I am starting to get desperat= e. Thanks all tim --_000_BYAPR14MB285400F39F2DFE6EBE5AFB67B400ABYAPR14MB2854namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey all, 

I need to get a crate from WI to DE. 

The shipper I tried said I need a business license to avoid a cost of three= times what it would be otherwise. (this is BS)

I tried a third-party shipper who also told me that I needed a business lic= ense before they could help me. 

So..............any suggestions for a company that will ship a crate afford= ably for an average person? I have a UPS account and will be calling them t= his afternoon but an already certain that they will be stupid expensive.

Any of you have a business license that would be willing to let me use it t= o set up this shipping? A big ask, I know but I am starting to get desperat= e. 

Thanks all
tim
--_000_BYAPR14MB285400F39F2DFE6EBE5AFB67B400ABYAPR14MB2854namp_-- --===============1850676849465061794== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============1850676849465061794==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 4 07:11:42 2025 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7657CA0416 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2025 07:11:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from Deep13.mail.Megageek.com (unknown [34.199.103.79]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31979A0161 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2025 05:53:56 -0600 (MDT) References: To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net type=4; name=$KeepSent From: Moose Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2025 07:53:55 -0400 09/04/2025 07:54:03 AM, Serialize complete at 09/04/2025 07:54:03 AM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] shipping a crate Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============8295755146709177512== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 00415D0285258CFB_= Wow, I never have heard of that one with shipping LTL loads (less than a truck load). All the 3rd party 'brokers' seem to promise one price, then once it's shipped, they say things like, "it weighed more" or "it was an oddball size" and they hit you with extra fees AFTER delivery that you can't fight. I found that UPS Freight (NOT the same UPS account) is the best. First, call them and tell them you want an account. Then, you'll get an account manager. Call him (or her) and tell them that you want a discounted rate for being a 'good guy' or whatever. They will normally automatically put a 10%-50% discount on your shipping. Then use them. Contact me if you have any other questions. Moose From: "Tim ." To: "Shop Talk" Date: 09/04/2025 07:42 Subject: [Shop-talk] shipping a crate Sent by: "Shop-talk" Hey all, I need to get a crate from WI to DE. The shipper I tried said I need a business license to avoid a cost of three times what it would be otherwise. (this is BS) I tried a third-party shipper who also told me that I needed a business license before they could help me. So..............any suggestions for a company that will ship a crate affordably for an average person? I have a UPS account and will be calling them this afternoon but an already certain that they will be stupid expensive. Any of you have a business license that would be willing to let me use it to set up this shipping? A big ask, I know but I am starting to get desperate. Thanks all tim_______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eric@megageek.com --=_alternative 00415D0285258CFB_= Wow, I never have heard of that one with shipping LTL loads (less than a truck load).

All the 3rd party 'brokers' seem to promise one price, then once it's shipped, they say things like, "it weighed more" or "it was an oddball size" and they hit you with extra fees AFTER delivery that you can't fight.

I found that UPS Freight (NOT the same UPS account) is the best.

First, call them and tell them you want an account.  Then, you'll get an account manager.  Call him (or her) and tell them that you want a discounted rate for being a 'good guy' or whatever.  They will normally automatically put a 10%-50% discount on your shipping.

Then use them.  

Contact me if you have any other questions.

Moose



From:        "Tim ." <tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com>
To:        "Shop  Talk" <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Date:        09/04/2025 07:42
Subject:        [Shop-talk] shipping a crate
Sent by:        "Shop-talk" <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net>



Hey all,

I need to get a crate from WI to DE.

The shipper I tried said I need a business license to avoid a cost of three times what it would be otherwise. (this is BS)

I tried a third-party shipper who also told me that I needed a business license before they could help me.

So..............any suggestions for a company that will ship a crate affordably for an average person? I have a UPS account and will be calling them this afternoon but an already certain that they will be stupid expensive.

Any of you have a business license that would be willing to let me use it to set up this shipping? A big ask, I know but I am starting to get desperate.

Thanks all
tim_______________________________________________

Shop-talk@autox.team.net
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--=_alternative 00415D0285258CFB_=-- --===============8295755146709177512== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============8295755146709177512==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 4 07:26:14 2025 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8937EA0448 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2025 07:26:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from outbound.ms.icloud.com (unknown [57.103.72.191]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61F22A0368 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2025 06:46:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from outbound.ms.icloud.com (unknown [127.0.0.2]) by p00-icloudmta-asmtp-us-west-3a-100-percent-0 (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CBE001800092; Thu, 4 Sep 2025 12:46:17 +0000 (UTC) bh=x3BKlDroE5yf2Ef0O7iRacxBdaZIKnYU3pMe++QZHQg=; h=Content-Type:From:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To:x-icloud-hme; b=SnZmy0ODcJp+3ODCHu4XZRgp252qdNqm6J+OhBU8FVArwkR4GyXWvmx5cxUy2asLPUMpM9G+nMvrDWD3aJfKyFBUbSKM/SkO3V3y1ZT4B8pxj2QayvqdxY4e5PDd6dx4amf2OKbM4LqSlvzw6FCJX5SJtWNxHUiSYOYagRShq2b+DR+1HoixAyiUgSxTZSt0z1eJivUrBEu+OSGCGmReOiFzvcr9ULVQkmFpWlPDMm9kQqDbcwADccuYTMjy9kMmDdLrkV3F0RBmWS9TlQS/43ghD4iO7YSMn+h4dmqWYAPOFw+RHoDF/H4wEIFDaNah2fp+O5JLASIaPsFUPaq02Q== Received: from smtpclient.apple (ms-asmtp-me-k8s.p00.prod.me.com [17.57.154.37]) by p00-icloudmta-asmtp-us-west-3a-100-percent-0 (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 46D0718000A7; Thu, 4 Sep 2025 12:46:17 +0000 (UTC) From: Pat Horne Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2025 07:46:05 -0500 References: To: Tim 0nfBdaP4hrrYM9FcM9Uwf8e54ZZDnK+FwPZwJOg4v5FlcBAYCOSazEH1Ytkek8qLstSuNY00M9O r+1mbf0Rb/rN0KbvEYVRYkotfTiiNQh6rFKGMRl+APP2LYAGa5X7q3hb4nCPhApn2qdqVYgxtIk M6POIzrGy+6+a8tJ1/LBZORujRKsN3Qko02WCKlAlwDGlwDlFfBXKundnAQIDx/zz/SvrWTrCM9 KMn6/s/ZTtdybdaiwrFinC0PAtVCYPuS6tbvshoXIHBP53ZXF1mq6tEc2dIoKMIA2ZoKAbzSc= engine=ICAP:2.0.293,Aquarius:18.0.1117,Hydra:6.1.9,FMLib:17.12.80.40 definitions=2025-09-04_04,2025-09-04_01,2025-03-28_01 mlxlogscore=999 spamscore=0 malwarescore=0 adultscore=0 mlxscore=0 clxscore=1015 suspectscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.22.0-2506270000 definitions=main-2509040126 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] shipping a crate Cc: Shop Talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3288527224891832031== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-E559A292-E75C-421E-8AED-94F21A28C5E8 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How big is the rate & what does it weigh? In 2021 I had a crated transmission weighing about 175 lbs shipped from Fl t= o Tx. I think it cost less than $200. I=E2=80=99ll have to see if I can find= the name of the company. They were actually a commercial tool & equipment c= ompany that used their own trucks to get supplies to their stores. If they h= ad spare room on the truck, it went in. If not, it waited for a truck with r= oom. It was store to store shipping.=20 Peace, Pat Pat Horne=20 We support Habitat for Humanity On Sep 4, 2025, at 6:50=E2=80=AFAM, Tim . wr= ote: =EF=BB=BF Hey all,=20 I need to get a crate from WI to DE.=20 The shipper I tried said I need a business license to avoid a cost of three t= imes what it would be otherwise. (this is BS) I tried a third-party shipper who also told me that I needed a business lice= nse before they could help me.=20 So..............any suggestions for a company that will ship a crate afforda= bly for an average person? I have a UPS account and will be calling them thi= s afternoon but an already certain that they will be stupid expensive. Any of you have a business license that would be willing to let me use it to= set up this shipping? A big ask, I know but I am starting to get desperate.= =20 Thanks all tim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archi= ve as@icloud.com --Apple-Mail-E559A292-E75C-421E-8AED-94F21A28C5E8 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How big is the rate & what does it weig= h?

In 2021 I had a crated transmission weighing about 175= lbs shipped from Fl to Tx. I think it cost less than $200. I=E2=80=99ll hav= e to see if I can find the name of the company. They were actually a commerc= ial tool & equipment company that used their own trucks to get supplies t= o their stores. If they had spare room on the truck, it went in. If not, it w= aited for a truck with room. It was store to store shipping. 

Peace, Pat

Pat Horne 
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Sep 4, 2025, at 6:50=E2=80=AF= AM, Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
Hey all, 

I need to get a crate from WI to DE. 

The shipper I tried said I need a business license to avoid a cost of three t= imes what it would be otherwise. (this is BS)

I tried a third-party shipper who also told me that I needed a business lice= nse before they could help me. 

So..............any suggestions for a company that will ship a crate afforda= bly for an average person? I have a UPS account and will be calling them thi= s afternoon but an already certain that they will be stupid expensive.
=

Any of you have a business license that would be willing to let me use it to= set up this shipping? A big ask, I know but I am starting to get desperate.=  

Thanks all
tim
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I do not know if they run routes near you or whether they still do freight, but it used to be drastically cheaper than other carriers= . best, doug On Thu, Sep 4, 2025 at 6:29=E2=80=AFAM Pat Horne wr= ote: > How big is the rate & what does it weigh? > > In 2021 I had a crated transmission weighing about 175 lbs shipped from F= l > to Tx. I think it cost less than $200. I=E2=80=99ll have to see if I can = find the > name of the company. They were actually a commercial tool & equipment > company that used their own trucks to get supplies to their stores. If th= ey > had spare room on the truck, it went in. If not, it waited for a truck wi= th > room. It was store to store shipping. > > Peace, Pat > > Pat Horne > We support Habitat for Humanity > > > On Sep 4, 2025, at 6:50=E2=80=AFAM, Tim . = wrote: > > =EF=BB=BF > Hey all, > > I need to get a crate from WI to DE. > > The shipper I tried said I need a business license to avoid a cost of > three times what it would be otherwise. (this is BS) > > I tried a third-party shipper who also told me that I needed a business > license before they could help me. > > So..............any suggestions for a company that will ship a crate > affordably for an average person? I have a UPS account and will be callin= g > them this afternoon but an already certain that they will be stupid > expensive. > > Any of you have a business license that would be willing to let me use it > to set up this shipping? A big ask, I know but I am starting to get > desperate. > > Thanks all > tim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas@icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard@gmail.com > > --000000000000743010063df9c315 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yea= rs ago, the cheapest way to send heavy crates (transmissions, etc.) was Gre= yhound bus. I do not know if they run routes near you or whether they still= do freight, but it used to be drastically=C2=A0cheaper than other carriers= .

best,

doug

On Thu, = Sep 4, 2025 at 6:29=E2=80=AFAM Pat Horne <patintexas@icloud.com> wrote:
How big is the rate &= ; what does it weigh?

In 2021 I had a crated transmissio= n weighing about 175 lbs shipped from Fl to Tx. I think it cost less than $= 200. I=E2=80=99ll have to see if I can find the name of the company. They w= ere actually a commercial tool & equipment company that used their own = trucks to get supplies to their stores. If they had spare room on the truck= , it went in. If not, it waited for a truck with room. It was store to stor= e shipping.=C2=A0

Peace, Pat

Pat = Horne=C2=A0
We support Habitat for Humanity

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On Sep 4, 2025, at 6:50=E2=80=AFAM, Tim . <tims_datsun_stu= ff@outlook.com> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
Hey all,=C2=A0

I need to get a crate from WI to DE.=C2=A0

The shipper I tried said I need a business license to avoid a cost of three= times what it would be otherwise. (this is BS)

I tried a third-party shipper who also told me that I needed a business lic= ense before they could help me.=C2=A0

So..............any suggestions for a company that will ship a crate afford= ably for an average person? I have a UPS account and will be calling them t= his afternoon but an already certain that they will be stupid expensive.

Any of you have a business license that would be willing to let me use it t= o set up this shipping? A big ask, I know but I am starting to get desperat= e.=C2=A0

Thanks all
tim
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I think it cost less than $200. I=E2=80=99ll have to see if I can= find the name of the company. > They were actually a commercial tool & equipment company that used their own trucks to get supplies to their stores. If they had spare room on the truck, it went in. > If not, it waited for a truck with room. It was store to store shipping. Sounds like Fastenal. I think they have stopped offering this service. EjR On Thu, Sep 4, 2025 at 9:25=E2=80=AFAM Pat Horne wr= ote: > How big is the rate & what does it weigh? > > In 2021 I had a crated transmission weighing about 175 lbs shipped from F= l > to Tx. I think it cost less than $200. I=E2=80=99ll have to see if I can = find the > name of the company. They were actually a commercial tool & equipment > company that used their own trucks to get supplies to their stores. If th= ey > had spare room on the truck, it went in. If not, it waited for a truck wi= th > room. It was store to store shipping. > > Peace, Pat > > Pat Horne > We support Habitat for Humanity > > > On Sep 4, 2025, at 6:50=E2=80=AFAM, Tim . = wrote: > > =EF=BB=BF > Hey all, > > I need to get a crate from WI to DE. > > The shipper I tried said I need a business license to avoid a cost of > three times what it would be otherwise. (this is BS) > > I tried a third-party shipper who also told me that I needed a business > license before they could help me. > > So..............any suggestions for a company that will ship a crate > affordably for an average person? I have a UPS account and will be callin= g > them this afternoon but an already certain that they will be stupid > expensive. > > Any of you have a business license that would be willing to let me use it > to set up this shipping? A big ask, I know but I am starting to get > desperate. > > Thanks all > tim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas@icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/ejrussell61@gmail.com > > --0000000000008d0d7c063dfa2032 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>= ;=C2=A0In 2021 I had a crated transmission = weighing about 175 lbs shipped from Fl to Tx. I think it cost less than $20= 0. I=E2=80=99ll have to see if I can find the name of the company.=C2=A0
> They were actually a commercial tool & equip= ment company that used their own trucks to get supplies to their stores. If= they had spare room on the truck, it went in.=C2=A0
> If not, it waited for a truck with room. It was store to store shipp= ing.=C2=A0

Sounds like= Fastenal. I think they have stopped offering this service.=C2=A0

EjR=C2=A0

=

On Thu, Sep 4, 2025 at 9:25=E2=80=AFAM Pat Ho= rne <patintexas@icloud.com&= gt; wrote:
How big is the rate & what does it weigh?

In 2021 I had a crated transmission weighing about 175 lbs shipped from = Fl to Tx. I think it cost less than $200. I=E2=80=99ll have to see if I can= find the name of the company. They were actually a commercial tool & e= quipment company that used their own trucks to get supplies to their stores= . If they had spare room on the truck, it went in. If not, it waited for a = truck with room. It was store to store shipping.=C2=A0

=
Peace, Pat

Pat Horne=C2=A0
We support Habitat for= Humanity


On Sep 4, 2025, at= 6:50=E2=80=AFAM, Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
Hey all,=C2=A0

I need to get a crate from WI to DE.=C2=A0

The shipper I tried said I need a business license to avoid a cost of three= times what it would be otherwise. (this is BS)

I tried a third-party shipper who also told me that I needed a business lic= ense before they could help me.=C2=A0

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Thanks all
tim
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I was just trying to find my payment to them! Thanks for the information. It wouldn't hurt to ask them if they do it again, you never can tell. Someone else mentioned Grayhound earlier. I haven't checked lately but when I wanted to ship the transmission, they were much higher than Fastenal but might be a good option now. Peace, Pat On 9/4/2025 8:58 AM, Eric Russell wrote: > > In 2021 I had a crated transmission weighing about 175 lbs shipped > from Fl to Tx. I think it cost less than $200. I’ll have to see if I > can find the name of the company. > > They were actually a commercial tool & equipment company that used their own trucks to get supplies > to their stores. If they had spare room on the truck, it went in. > > If not, it waited for a truck with room. It was store to store shipping. > > Sounds like Fastenal. I think they have stopped offering this service. > > EjR > > > On Thu, Sep 4, 2025 at 9:25 AM Pat Horne wrote: > > How big is the rate & what does it weigh? > > In 2021 I had a crated transmission weighing about 175 lbs shipped > from Fl to Tx. I think it cost less than $200. I’ll have to see if > I can find the name of the company. They were actually a > commercial tool & equipment company that used their own trucks to > get supplies to their stores. If they had spare room on the truck, > it went in. If not, it waited for a truck with room. It was store > to store shipping. > > Peace, Pat > > Pat Horne > We support Habitat for Humanity > > > On Sep 4, 2025, at 6:50 AM, Tim . > wrote: > >  > Hey all, > > I need to get a crate from WI to DE. > > The shipper I tried said I need a business license to avoid a cost > of three times what it would be otherwise. (this is BS) > > I tried a third-party shipper who also told me that I needed a > business license before they could help me. > > So..............any suggestions for a company that will ship a > crate affordably for an average person? I have a UPS account and > will be calling them this afternoon but an already certain that > they will be stupid expensive. > > Any of you have a business license that would be willing to let me > use it to set up this shipping? A big ask, I know but I am > starting to get desperate. > > Thanks all > tim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation  $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas@icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation  $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/ejrussell61@gmail.com > --------------7mgDHQEPWPLOYBBRl9CnSq1M Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Yes, Fastenal! I was just trying to find my payment to them! Thanks for the information. 

It wouldn't hurt to ask them if they do it again, you never can tell.

Someone else mentioned Grayhound earlier. I haven't checked lately but when I wanted to ship the transmission, they were much higher than Fastenal but might be a good option now.

Peace, Pat

On 9/4/2025 8:58 AM, Eric Russell wrote:
> In 2021 I had a crated transmission weighing about 175 lbs shipped from Fl to Tx. I think it cost less than $200. I’ll have to see if I can find the name of the company. 
> They were actually a commercial tool & equipment company that used their own trucks to get supplies to their stores. If they had spare room on the truck, it went in. 
> If not, it waited for a truck with room. It was store to store shipping. 

Sounds like Fastenal. I think they have stopped offering this service. 

EjR 


On Thu, Sep 4, 2025 at 9:25 AM Pat Horne <patintexas@icloud.com> wrote:
How big is the rate & what does it weigh?

In 2021 I had a crated transmission weighing about 175 lbs shipped from Fl to Tx. I think it cost less than $200. I’ll have to see if I can find the name of the company. They were actually a commercial tool & equipment company that used their own trucks to get supplies to their stores. If they had spare room on the truck, it went in. If not, it waited for a truck with room. It was store to store shipping. 

Peace, Pat

Pat Horne 
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Sep 4, 2025, at 6:50 AM, Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com> wrote:


Hey all, 

I need to get a crate from WI to DE. 

The shipper I tried said I need a business license to avoid a cost of three times what it would be otherwise. (this is BS)

I tried a third-party shipper who also told me that I needed a business license before they could help me. 

So..............any suggestions for a company that will ship a crate affordably for an average person? I have a UPS account and will be calling them this afternoon but an already certain that they will be stupid expensive.

Any of you have a business license that would be willing to let me use it to set up this shipping? A big ask, I know but I am starting to get desperate. 

Thanks all
tim
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The only restriction is that they have east & west zones & will not ship between them but that won't affect Tim's shipment. Peace, Pat On 9/4/2025 8:58 AM, Eric Russell wrote: > > In 2021 I had a crated transmission weighing about 175 lbs shipped > from Fl to Tx. I think it cost less than $200. I’ll have to see if I > can find the name of the company. > > They were actually a commercial tool & equipment company that used their own trucks to get supplies > to their stores. If they had spare room on the truck, it went in. > > If not, it waited for a truck with room. It was store to store shipping. > > Sounds like Fastenal. I think they have stopped offering this service. > > EjR > > > On Thu, Sep 4, 2025 at 9:25 AM Pat Horne wrote: > > How big is the rate & what does it weigh? > > In 2021 I had a crated transmission weighing about 175 lbs shipped > from Fl to Tx. I think it cost less than $200. I’ll have to see if > I can find the name of the company. They were actually a > commercial tool & equipment company that used their own trucks to > get supplies to their stores. If they had spare room on the truck, > it went in. If not, it waited for a truck with room. It was store > to store shipping. > > Peace, Pat > > Pat Horne > We support Habitat for Humanity > > > On Sep 4, 2025, at 6:50 AM, Tim . > wrote: > >  > Hey all, > > I need to get a crate from WI to DE. > > The shipper I tried said I need a business license to avoid a cost > of three times what it would be otherwise. (this is BS) > > I tried a third-party shipper who also told me that I needed a > business license before they could help me. > > So..............any suggestions for a company that will ship a > crate affordably for an average person? I have a UPS account and > will be calling them this afternoon but an already certain that > they will be stupid expensive. > > Any of you have a business license that would be willing to let me > use it to set up this shipping? A big ask, I know but I am > starting to get desperate. > > Thanks all > tim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation  $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas@icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation  $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/ejrussell61@gmail.com > --------------MLZBpkUwdUmvtBR15KADtR7N Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Just looked up Fastenal Ship & they are partially shipping again according to their website. The only restriction is that they have east & west zones & will not ship between them but that won't affect Tim's shipment.

Peace, Pat

On 9/4/2025 8:58 AM, Eric Russell wrote:
> In 2021 I had a crated transmission weighing about 175 lbs shipped from Fl to Tx. I think it cost less than $200. I’ll have to see if I can find the name of the company. 
> They were actually a commercial tool & equipment company that used their own trucks to get supplies to their stores. If they had spare room on the truck, it went in. 
> If not, it waited for a truck with room. It was store to store shipping. 

Sounds like Fastenal. I think they have stopped offering this service. 

EjR 


On Thu, Sep 4, 2025 at 9:25 AM Pat Horne <patintexas@icloud.com> wrote:
How big is the rate & what does it weigh?

In 2021 I had a crated transmission weighing about 175 lbs shipped from Fl to Tx. I think it cost less than $200. I’ll have to see if I can find the name of the company. They were actually a commercial tool & equipment company that used their own trucks to get supplies to their stores. If they had spare room on the truck, it went in. If not, it waited for a truck with room. It was store to store shipping. 

Peace, Pat

Pat Horne 
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Sep 4, 2025, at 6:50 AM, Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com> wrote:


Hey all, 

I need to get a crate from WI to DE. 

The shipper I tried said I need a business license to avoid a cost of three times what it would be otherwise. (this is BS)

I tried a third-party shipper who also told me that I needed a business license before they could help me. 

So..............any suggestions for a company that will ship a crate affordably for an average person? I have a UPS account and will be calling them this afternoon but an already certain that they will be stupid expensive.

Any of you have a business license that would be willing to let me use it to set up this shipping? A big ask, I know but I am starting to get desperate. 

Thanks all
tim
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(ip72-203-30-179.lv.lv.cox.net. [72.203.30.179]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d9443c01a7336-24cde5b6484sm13513745ad.19.2025.09.04.12.51.11 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 04 Sep 2025 12:51:12 -0700 (PDT) From: "Al Fuller" To: "Douglas Shook" , "Pat Horne" Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2025 19:51:09 +0000 References: <0E76A2B0-C1ED-43C4-8925-83F1CA74DC2B@icloud.com> User-Agent: eM_Client/10.3.2619.0 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] shipping a crate Cc: Shop Talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============6999915257344425031== boundary="------=_MBBACB2969-DDB0-4EC4-AA14-9F893957B748" --------=_MBBACB2969-DDB0-4EC4-AA14-9F893957B748 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm not sure, but it looks like Fastenal does still ship. They have east=20 and west zones, and don't ship between zones, but Wi and DE are in the=20 same zone. See: https://www.fastenal.com/fast/blue-lane-freight# =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D Al Fuller 714.335.0248 Mobile ------ Original Message ------ >From "Douglas Shook" To "Pat Horne" Cc "Shop Talk" Date 9/4/2025 6:33:04 AM Subject Re: [Shop-talk] shipping a crate >Years ago, the cheapest way to send heavy crates (transmissions, etc.)=20 >was Greyhound bus. I do not know if they run routes near you or whether=20 >they still do freight, but it used to be drastically cheaper than other=20 >carriers. > >best, > >doug > >On Thu, Sep 4, 2025 at 6:29=E2=80=AFAM Pat Horne w= rote: >>How big is the rate & what does it weigh? >> >>In 2021 I had a crated transmission weighing about 175 lbs shipped=20 >>from Fl to Tx. I think it cost less than $200. I=E2=80=99ll have to see i= f I=20 >>can find the name of the company. They were actually a commercial tool=20 >>& equipment company that used their own trucks to get supplies to=20 >>their stores. If they had spare room on the truck, it went in. If not,=20 >>it waited for a truck with room. It was store to store shipping. >> >>Peace, Pat >> >>Pat Horne >>We support Habitat for Humanity >> >> >>On Sep 4, 2025, at 6:50=E2=80=AFAM, Tim . = =20 >>wrote: >> >>=EF=BB=BF >>Hey all, >> >>I need to get a crate from WI to DE. >> >>The shipper I tried said I need a business license to avoid a cost of=20 >>three times what it would be otherwise. (this is BS) >> >>I tried a third-party shipper who also told me that I needed a=20 >>business license before they could help me. >> >>So..............any suggestions for a company that will ship a crate=20 >>affordably for an average person? I have a UPS account and will be=20 >>calling them this afternoon but an already certain that they will be=20 >>stupid expensive. >> >>Any of you have a business license that would be willing to let me use=20 >>it to set up this shipping? A big ask, I know but I am starting to get=20 >>desperate. >> >>Thanks all >>tim >>_______________________________________________ >> >>Shop-talk@autox.team.net >>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>Suggested annual donation $12.96 >>Archive:=20 >>http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talkhttp://autox.team.net/archive >> >>Unsubscribe/Manage:=20 >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas@icloud.com >> >>_______________________________________________ >> >>Shop-talk@autox.team.net >>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>Suggested annual donation $12.96 >>Archive:=20 >>http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talkhttp://autox.team.net/archive >> >>Unsubscribe/Manage:=20 >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard@gmail.com >> --------=_MBBACB2969-DDB0-4EC4-AA14-9F893957B748 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm not sure, but it looks like Fastenal does= still ship. They have east and west zones, and don't ship between zones, bu= t Wi and DE are in the same zone.=C2=A0 See:=C2=A0https://www.= fastenal.com/fast/blue-lane-freight#
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------ Original Message ------
From "Douglas Shook" <dirtbe= ard@gmail.com>
To "Pat Horne" <patintexas= @icloud.com>
Date 9/4/2025 6:33:04 AM
Subject Re: [Shop-talk] shipping a crate

Yea= rs ago, the cheapest way to send heavy crates (transmissions, etc.) was Gre= yhound bus. I do not know if they run routes near you or whether they still = do freight, but it used to be drastically=C2=A0cheaper than other carriers= .

<= div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">best,

doug

On T= hu, Sep 4, 2025 at 6:29=E2=80=AFAM Pat Horne <patintexas@icloud.com> wrote:
How big is the rate = & what does it weigh?

In 2021 I had a crated tran= smission weighing about 175 lbs shipped from Fl to Tx. I think it cost less = than $200. I=E2=80=99ll have to see if I can find the name of the company. = They were actually a commercial tool & equipment company that used the= ir own trucks to get supplies to their stores. If they had spare room on th= e truck, it went in. If not, it waited for a truck with room. It was store= to store shipping.=C2=A0

Peace, Pat
Pat Horne=C2=A0
We support Habitat for Humanity

On Sep 4, 2025, at 6:50=E2=80=AFAM, Ti= m . <tims_datsun_stuff@= outlook.com> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
Hey all,=C2=A0

I need to get a crate from WI to DE.=C2=A0

The shipper I tried said I need a business license to avoid a cost of three = times what it would be otherwise. (this is BS)

I tried a third-party shipper who also told me that I needed a business lic= ense before they could help me.=C2=A0

So..............any suggestions for a company that will ship a crate afford= ably for an average person? I have a UPS account and will be calling them t= his afternoon but an already certain that they will be stupid expensive.

Any of you have a business license that would be willing to let me use it t= o set up this shipping? A big ask, I know but I am starting to get desperat= e.=C2=A0

Thanks all
tim
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I have bought a lot of tractor parts using this method. They also only ship within a "zone". I know I can get stuff from MN to IA via this method, but not from CA to IA. They also ONLY ship to one of their stores, not to another business address. On Thu, Sep 4, 2025 at 2:17=E2=80=AFPM Eric Russell = wrote: > > In 2021 I had a crated transmission weighing about 175 lbs shipped from > Fl to Tx. I think it cost less than $200. I=E2=80=99ll have to see if I c= an find > the name of the company. > > They were actually a commercial tool & equipment company that used thei= r > own trucks to get supplies to their stores. If they had spare room on the > truck, it went in. > > If not, it waited for a truck with room. It was store to store shipping= . > > Sounds like Fastenal. I think they have stopped offering this service. > > EjR > > > On Thu, Sep 4, 2025 at 9:25=E2=80=AFAM Pat Horne = wrote: > >> How big is the rate & what does it weigh? >> >> In 2021 I had a crated transmission weighing about 175 lbs shipped from >> Fl to Tx. I think it cost less than $200. I=E2=80=99ll have to see if I = can find >> the name of the company. They were actually a commercial tool & equipmen= t >> company that used their own trucks to get supplies to their stores. If t= hey >> had spare room on the truck, it went in. If not, it waited for a truck w= ith >> room. It was store to store shipping. >> >> Peace, Pat >> >> Pat Horne >> We support Habitat for Humanity >> >> >> On Sep 4, 2025, at 6:50=E2=80=AFAM, Tim . wrote: >> >> =EF=BB=BF >> Hey all, >> >> I need to get a crate from WI to DE. >> >> The shipper I tried said I need a business license to avoid a cost of >> three times what it would be otherwise. (this is BS) >> >> I tried a third-party shipper who also told me that I needed a business >> license before they could help me. >> >> So..............any suggestions for a company that will ship a crate >> affordably for an average person? I have a UPS account and will be calli= ng >> them this afternoon but an already certain that they will be stupid >> expensive. >> >> Any of you have a business license that would be willing to let me use i= t >> to set up this shipping? A big ask, I know but I am starting to get >> desperate. >> >> Thanks all >> tim >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas@icloud.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/ejrussell61@gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdinnis@gmail.com > > --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D Never offend people with style when you =3D =3D can offend with substance --- Sam Brown =3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --000000000000fe2d9a063dfffdd6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Fastenal does still offer shipping, but only for shippers = who have business accounts=C2=A0with them.=C2=A0 I have bought a lot of tra= ctor parts using this method.=C2=A0 They also only ship within a "zone= ".=C2=A0 I know I can get stuff from MN to IA via this method, but not= from CA to IA.=C2=A0 They also ONLY ship to one of their stores, not to an= other business address.

On Thu, Sep 4, 2025 at 2:17=E2= =80=AFPM Eric Russell <ejrussel= l61@gmail.com> wrote:
>=C2=A0In 2021 I had a crated = transmission weighing about 175 lbs shipped from Fl to Tx. I think it cost = less than $200. I=E2=80=99ll have to see if I can find the name of the comp= any.=C2=A0
> They were actually a commercial too= l & equipment company that used their own trucks to get supplies to the= ir stores. If they had spare room on the truck, it went in.=C2=A0
> If not, it waited for a truck with room. It was store t= o store shipping.=C2=A0

Sounds like Fastenal. I think they have stopped offering this service.=C2= =A0

EjR=C2=A0


On Thu, Sep 4, 2025 at 9:25=E2=80=AFAM Pat Horne <patintexas@icloud.c= om> wrote:
How big is the rate & what does it weigh?

<= /div>
In 2021 I had a crated transmission weighing about 175 lbs shippe= d from Fl to Tx. I think it cost less than $200. I=E2=80=99ll have to see i= f I can find the name of the company. They were actually a commercial tool = & equipment company that used their own trucks to get supplies to their= stores. If they had spare room on the truck, it went in. If not, it waited= for a truck with room. It was store to store shipping.=C2=A0
Peace, Pat

Pat Horne=C2= =A0
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Sep 4, 2025, at 6:50=E2=80=AFAM, Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff@outloo= k.com> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
Hey all,=C2=A0

I need to get a crate from WI to DE.=C2=A0

The shipper I tried said I need a business license to avoid a cost of three= times what it would be otherwise. (this is BS)

I tried a third-party shipper who also told me that I needed a business lic= ense before they could help me.=C2=A0

So..............any suggestions for a company that will ship a crate afford= ably for an average person? I have a UPS account and will be calling them t= his afternoon but an already certain that they will be stupid expensive.

Any of you have a business license that would be willing to let me use it t= o set up this shipping? A big ask, I know but I am starting to get desperat= e.=C2=A0

Thanks all
tim
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I've got a problem with YouTube videos and can= not find an actual person to talk to
 
anyone give me a number that works ??  ev= erything behind google is bogus
 
john
 
--------------020407070807050706060103-- --===============0376029634110232941== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============0376029634110232941==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 4 17:56:21 2025 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C975EA05D0 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2025 17:56:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from outbound.ms.icloud.com (unknown [57.103.72.231]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9E46A04B9 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2025 17:08:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from outbound.ms.icloud.com (unknown [127.0.0.2]) by p00-icloudmta-asmtp-us-west-3a-100-percent-8 (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AB88918002AA for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2025 23:08:15 +0000 (UTC) bh=sJwHWRiSwrjVvP3fU4vGzzsMSPmq0ISPIzV61/Zp//4=; h=Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:x-icloud-hme; b=nObiv3xjinczNiQOzwaAwqRwugYwwgxMm9zPa8+5ZU/UeP6fG2bw9xR9Ztny+AnZZ8aG7d/OpSsMwa8e/o8U6+q6myIjvj64b7YCWD6pGnWkpRG+pgCJ6uroTmqBtVr/c6RdbT1lmAMI99dOKgneSW6SJESmM8ZEn9jhMGdT38tQYM0rqG7JIPi1Cf8cEogRJq1GDrSvqWQ79+uiVigTEijmC8Sbrb/TOijlgLLAw7KpEi+RrUbDxo+DOAno7thqbWMMyW4qUCqR7GsqRZBDRp5mZng+mBwvQ+MMhPWiTr7fEWyQXDP4RS/zNZkCnhUmMTwSu96rwO3yO9w4IV/jKw== Received: from [192.168.88.105] (ms-asmtp-me-k8s.p00.prod.me.com [17.57.154.37]) by p00-icloudmta-asmtp-us-west-3a-100-percent-8 (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E71C618000B5 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2025 23:08:12 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2025 18:08:11 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Content-Language: en-US From: Pat Horne /8N7xFAMyVrxG7C8HKFbvoYlsKsv5Q6ys2hlg+wvZSjz9M/DeLIvFQ9RCtlUDSyInG++3n5NMh6 UySuswNwNBcvK7H0iaTLUaCjS8Mnxh+DbRm/FUWow427Pn6rqB1uqHsJ6GGpZ9gAPtkaYR1K2v8 qLieCQY/io+X7VE6hnjo68+NdjaN9jmRTZ1PEpoQQEPq2/dw9duAfpEYIUFF6s4mK3RYQPECZou BKVBz79Vd2kyNx3//J2iPyEElDUNE64kXOwU/W0o3K4/sHRMu98nFeJjl13tY2L6cWUJE7Zqw= engine=ICAP:2.0.293,Aquarius:18.0.1117,Hydra:6.1.9,FMLib:17.12.80.40 definitions=2025-09-04_08,2025-09-04_01,2025-03-28_01 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 mlxlogscore=841 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 mlxscore=0 clxscore=1015 spamscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.22.0-2506270000 definitions=main-2509040229 Subject: [Shop-talk] ZTR zt-3100 trans question Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I have a 10 year old 60" Ariens mower that has a problem that I'd like some input on. This mower has about 1600 hours on it, has always had timely service & everything has been working fine up until last week. It seems that a couple of the mounting bolts on one trans sheared, allowing that trans to slip out of place. I replaced all the bolts, both sides. As I was putting the wheels back on, noticed that there was quite a bit of slop in the axle, allowing the wheels to move in & out about 2mm each. Checking with shops & the manual showed that there shouldn't be any play. I'm thinking about going into the trans to see what I can find but I've never been into one of these. Has anyone gone in? The trans is a zt-3100. In looking on line, there aren't a lot of parts for this trans, mainly seals & bearings. Replacement transmissions are listed for about $1200 each, while high, is within range. I drove it after replacing the bolts & doing a fluid change & it worked for the most part, only running slightly slower on the side that had the sheared bolts. I'm thinking that I could run it as it is until winter when I can tear it down and if I can't repair them, replace both transmissions. I've always been of the opinion that if something is broken it's not a problem to see if I can fix it, I can't break it any more! Suggestions? Thanks in advance. Peace, Pat _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 5 18:45:45 2025 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E25A1A08F7 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2025 18:45:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from sonic304-24.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (unknown [66.163.191.150]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5FDEA08F1 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2025 10:11:18 -0600 (MDT) t=1757088678; bh=vnh2+GiUbgXDf4NOyo+cel2uD4vIMcPGG8I2ihwk1U8=; h=From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject:Reply-To; b=lG8ebunacqN78YPz7yPQ96xJm5xJIjrZvtJ+SF9PWszDrIzWxGjrfAEDXwzGrsTRz63hd1BxzDZql5eqozbgKVJqd7uHljKSRYOkeT5kWp5XiFKEABUieCmkmZE5S7SbvMpyTRIlHZnnBZ126b7AH6+6BS8V4I/uURpz6xglhj8= t=1757088678; bh=x2SypIyBSGaSsWqTK3XR1xMrj1RhPr+7SM4a2zLjSet=; h=X-Sonic-MF:From:To:Date:Subject:From:Subject; b=nJKJzGm3YA/HLiW/OYLN+XpIwq11THzJaAMe8r9x9ZdDmaRjmMFvDDpKw8E3/LU3pZjFEQCoG9uQFTq4NSXjuxqPCVOqsRzEdTtmZJ/RszXuIzvw3rkzv3RZShUKdV+tMcJjqsMdIu+gg8X5pjsdEeNaI3Q5SodIZEVLHR2mQP4e2VvCtFKeVZziQvZy5XvJIwlt+06JyuqezHGoIfjoGAn2+UxNSYMab+L2cfNfvJO4VSBCITM+Ip0qzekpkw1vc55SDKLVW2qrp/0ZW+pE7OGkHOMrZJ6h/y/9E8tRUpQ4YNMM5SzgixTLiSvtiAYxKODd8OkFqz6Noc1msvQuSA== AoayPDS5Kox5l7dlmqPocX.6l_uyMWwjfnZMKVhXqFA6Tz.IS6NoWuKFhjNv2ubeUKpei7ZBoRbq hYBZR75GsmFiQqKORuz2XgdBqwIy6iFTXYGMaluTxVxVs5U3n_7oaS3OefETv6ahqDbQLBipnK8c 1XIeLuT0NonJsnw4nSm3PfcCoQtfzONG65WRpYakl1ghBXsN.rB8d64xTq2Zpce4upbxcWiuJw87 O8hw3jGsDp.zlvAvZ8wGllOY9ngI9dr3axmAMaN35Geuegl_fohnPJcqdQRk4Uufov2NMvkjoJfK ERDRFOSDwHsR6gHEYqiYPKIN.zPLDpnn9HExewLjaE2KaNCV9ueVMFKQEvOojIrZA1soqolPvoq. qV6RJYImBe09.KcAxS_g47_wRpJLkEpWU1kp.heIYSvEpHsWfjpImBBOPxOxFNGbLkZY1IECPlQ8 5IFkFo0AFot6GFdVuLJlxYuNvOPpVHd9O7TS1mbyJs2twtX5BZEFpE_Bj25IYYK_THf.ICC1CpUX KV7V2VsKoTcXuzcC3nX2hqesTX873ACSJfza5CNxdLZkXyGL4zV0Bixltn.hZEpbC31lAsg2ZDZj AMzbiKBJnZ9ZdNNxQbdT2w0fpYqHhwR_GikoFu6rn_0Tw866rEr7XTAJ1NB9bFgLD7eD17ynoLo6 KFU6m6hiSx0tSkrsdOxlWb.pF_9R1GOqOCdVpQjYYNz4GqtVSmoFSbQHWUPgFyM6c9_l_TyCLQCV oIxqCfNM8TqUm3BmQM7oDG9BHC4796Mt6wGycW9c767cgBRUcPyEmcDAn8HMbyxNvnOy.S7hIwMp fC6NTvzXxLXsaFYg.5TGz77EnUBuevRUUUnAJfVyacS_.ose5h8PbL3_lqgssbBtvvyDoa4McMAF sTIrkEjvibsYSvcsnm7LOI.NeIEh36fBaL_TTUQJQSAvFZMtyqnRZUICPHXoXihK46vaigbWfrtv ci.MC5f_VvBkPUIfllBNNbwfvyCkWyHFMHqYMyJnm20IfcjSZBa3ILCe8SSWSHibO3ZqvhMbbQhs Y2URkLIL5toLQlUeySjrc2I.xDzxZUm5_xC0Xv_OXCkDMhlYnrwMYFJ3jDFTCdeTV6hbDYG8mxh5 .iFgRyst0po3ueXJJ3T_9eIma7fp6cuLjAy9KbxTX.oEjOdhwewFINwdoUjfpcSKDSuD3IkD5M.6 Zkp0ue7Ga6D.HWRTwZeFkyCw6mK_PqQsOKd.Fsw6yR5PefO7zn4bCpj64pGEAmpKe2t32SxaHZMo 8Cid3T75YsoILjxCqNXMjAPsAXbBznQQoTI97qeQYAfS9FPoAeiLasIj.MUF6zxy.1VX7RI4NSfa D61dpg1v0XjGkQqzkgfn1BFUEI3SWG1MXDSul_3dxV1hpHhBXLkzyOgCWuzcbLaXDReiX_1pEFnK QE91BOk1BiGw_Vct7at6WJh_FDIkxn7tow6z7Qr2VpHU6Kvux2mSjo6GFXoMF.mJ1CeIq_Se2q.k xpMnQ4iIW8ReJRanIsnq2uYkqr32a5n15p6ye3eHnmlt0aczYXbhriy3Q601517I7cYa4Mtv6TbY 8_uIhW0.aR4mRgzroJb_tkrxmzkqZE2w7PpCLiWo0ZFXYQt5RWqwlJs4uU.BDiceLCbXH6Agne4Q CcYBBK7tzOAmcA0tUoeLsySY.zb9BH3Tu7YfBzdt9jMinssCh5gZDoMjiNxnrRYg2eXaNC0X.LMy 8HcQd.0poGtiXwjsMpfMx13XB2gTCh13vZBaEkpymlmxjduAOFWVyIOnAEFIYosteS3mPbodmRBG VHpe5jDHyqmtF0M70T5wRouZL27PUXsB6xpa7LSgmiKFh9C0hb5Fwp2Dhtjb_lob0pqlaOfiEHSB 9ldh39mgqgD5IPYec6Cbxh0WJWjQFWrUW.pCY6CZFa3oqos_TkHHPG.8x1TgaKkm3qKt4m.PU.wa 4b5mltK309dnQ0jwTOOYriEjdXWuXwVyi_PV4Bd1rl_w0nmH27lvuqp.P0NAgBKUrwVqENg3XIUi pOAQAZcChYRDtRa_N804xZ9Iy3wtDKm3oWCWmmszcgZ7IjW7oyTCwsArlnmH4cJRDkAWde2Y.vbP z.Zsly3qKq8MdtQYA_QXKhE2mHciNbCdQ_5Mey0eNiQGt4XIR6LHFcxCiUTZQVg8JkjOYmRSDlOO t6S.LmwgCzvCFdler_xZ6Zo3peNJ_UdTw4HSuhb29.0OHkR8z_nq49bJVcHoJPmPpy6TJPX.Nfc3 W Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic304.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Fri, 5 Sep 2025 16:11:18 +0000 Received: by hermes--production-bf1-f687d5b6d-zzvz5 (Yahoo Inc. Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 4acdd15bb601ce04dbdf58b24893b8bf; Fri, 05 Sep 2025 16:11:16 +0000 (UTC) From: "john niolon" To: "Steve Hochschild" , "shop-talk" Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2025 11:11:13 -0500 References: <1UkSWUwFI3.9flDAUKGSiD.ref@johns-desktop> <1UkSWUwFI3.9flDAUKGSiD@johns-desktop> User-Agent: OEClassic/5.2 (Win10.19045; P; 2025-08-14) mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] does anyone (other than AI work at Youtube Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============6855936483337395890== --------------010202020508030102080501 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline thanks for the reply Steve...=E2=80=A6 I kept reducing the error options ti= ll I got to=20 my smart tv... a call to Sony got a tech who showed me how to download updated software for the TV and it started workin= g...=20 I would have sworn it was a YouTube problem... but smarter heads proved me wrong =20 j ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Hochschild To: john niolon Sent: 09/05/2025 11:05:51 AM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] does anyone (other than AI work at Youtube There is nobody to talk to. What is the issue - technical, political,=20 philosophical ? Have you asked Gemini,=20 Google's AI? On Thu, Sep 4, 2025 at 5:59=E2=80=AFPM john niolon wrote: I've=20 got a problem with YouTube videos and can not find an actual person to talk= to =20 anyone give me a number that works ?? everything behind google is bogus =20 john =20 _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arch= ive talk/stevehochschild@gmail.com --------------010202020508030102080501 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
thanks for the reply Steve...=E2=80=A6 I kept = reducing the error options till I got to my smart tv... a call to Sony got = a tech who
showed me how to download updated software for= the TV and it started working... I would have sworn it was a YouTube
problem... but smarter heads proved me wrong
 
j
----- Original Message -----
= From: Steve Hochschild <stevehochschild@gmail.com>
= To: john niolon <jniolon@att.net<= /A>>
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Well the other day I inserted a blade and cut some drywall and plaster.=C2= =A0 (I'm removing the soffits over my kitchen cabinets.)=C2=A0 When I was d= one, I tried to remove the blade and the piece that rotates would only turn= about 5deg.=C2=A0 So the blade is stuck in the shaft.=20 Anyone had a similar problem with a tool-less saber saw?=C2=A0 If so how di= d you get a stuck blade out?.=C2=A0 I tried spraying some PB Blast on it to= no avail. JohnT John T. Blair=C2=A0 WA4OHZ=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 email:=C2=A0 jblair1948@= cox.netVa. 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Hey gang,

= I've got a great saber saw, a Craftsman Model 320-17255 with the tool free = bald install and removal.  The shaft that goes up and down had a round= thing on the bottom,  You turn this about 90 deg to insert the blade = and release.  It has a spring loaded return.  Then to remove the = blade you again rotate this thing about 90 deg and remove the blade.
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Well the other day I inserted a blade and cut some drywall and = plaster.  (I'm removing the soffits over my kitchen cabinets.)  W= hen I was done, I tried to remove the blade and the piece that rotates woul= d only turn about 5deg.  So the blade is stuck in the shaft.

Anyone had a similar problem with a tool-less saber saw? = ; If so how did you get a stuck blade out?.  I tried spraying some PB = Blast on it to no avail.

JohnT


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Fri, 12 Sep 2025 03:29:28 +0000 Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2025 03:29:23 +0000 (UTC) From: John T Blair To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" References: <696745210.1518981.1757647763868.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Subject: [Shop-talk] cutting plaster and drywall Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3661681315527995817== boundary="----=_Part_1518980_4975166.1757647763865" ------=_Part_1518980_4975166.1757647763865 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Don't know if any on you guys have tried to cut plaster and drywall.=C2=A0 = Trying to cut through plaster is and drywall, is hell on blades My wife and I are removing the soffit about the kitchen cabinets as part of= our kitchen remodel.=C2=A0 To cut the plaster and drywall I used my oscill= ating saw (multi tool).=C2=A0 I had some wood and metal cutting blades so I= tried them.=C2=A0 Neither one of these lasted 3 ft.=C2=A0 I also tried usi= ng my saber saw and went through 2 of those blades in short order.=C2=A0 Pl= aster is just hell on blades. I=C2=A0 started researching saw blades that would cut plaster.=C2=A0 The fi= rst one I got=C2=A0 was for my Craftsman Saber saw.=C2=A0 I got a DIABLO4 i= n. 6 TPI Carbide T-Shank Jig Saw Blade for Fiber Cement and Plaster at abou= t $15 ea at Home Depot.=C2=A0=C2=A0 DIABLO 4 in. 6 TPI Carbide T-Shank Jig Saw Blade for Fiber Cement and Plast= er DJT141HM - The Home Depot |=20 |=20 |=20 | | | | | |=20 | |=20 DIABLO 4 in. 6 TPI Carbide T-Shank Jig Saw Blade for Fiber Cement and Pl... DIABLO's carbide teeth jig saw blades deliver extreme durability and superi= or cutting life in abrasive materials... | | | I bought 2.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Well I've cut out a panel of plastered drywall whic= h required 2 cuts floor to ceiling and then 1 horizontal cut between the 2 = studs.=C2=A0 When I finished those cuts, it didn't look used.=C2=A0 I don't= know how many more cuts I've made with that blade but it's still going str= ong.=C2=A0 I really didn't need the 2nd blade.=C2=A0 They are outstanding!!= !! Then I went looking for a decent blade for my oscillating saw.=C2=A0 I went= to Harbor Freight and bought 2 Titanium blades.=C2=A0=C2=A0 https://www.harborfreight.com/1-34-in-bi-metal-reduced-shank-titanium-plung= eflush-cutting-blade-for-oscillating-multi-tools-70089.html They weren't worth squat.=C2=A0 Took the teeth right off of them. I ended up back at home depot and bought 2 of Dremil's Universal 1-1/4 in. = Carbide Flush Cutting Oscillating Multi-Tool Blade (1-Piece) for about $18 = ea: https://www.homedepot.com/pep/Dremel-Universal-1-1-4-in-Carbide-Flush-Cutti= ng-Oscillating-Multi-Tool-Blade-1-Piece-MM485U/206384731 Man, these are the cat's Meow!!!=C2=A0 I don't know how many linear feet I'= ve cut cutting the soffits but I've still on my first blade and it's still = cutting great. I also found a couple of different plaster cutting blades for a reciprocati= ng saws: https://www.amazon.com/Saf-T-Kut-Reciprocating-Blades-Drywall-2-Pack/dp/B00= G3JDGV2/ref=3Dsr_1_10 https://www.amazon.com/Makita-723060-Drywall-Plaster-Reciprocating/dp/B0007= ZQ9DU/ref=3Dsr_1_9 https://www.amazon.com/IVY-Classic-28318-Reciprocating-Bi-Metal/dp/B0052IP= HHQ/ref=3Dsr_1_5 Unfortunately, I haven't bought and tried any of these. JohnT John T. Blair=C2=A0 WA4OHZ=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 email:=C2=A0 jblair1948@= cox.netVa. Beach, Va=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Phone:=C2=A0 (757) 495-822= 9 48 TR1800=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 48 #4 Midget=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 65 Morgan 4/4 Se= ries V (B1106) =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 77 Spitf= ire=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 71 Saab Sonett III =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 65 Rambler Classi= c Morgan:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 http://autox.team.net/morgan/ Bricklin:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 http://www.bricklin.org If you can read this=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 - Thank a teacher! If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!! >From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 e pluribus Unum, "from many, one." =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 In God We Trust =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Liberty - the=C2=A0 power=C2=A0 of=C2=A0 choosing,= =C2=A0 thinking,=C2=A0 and=C2=A0 acting=C2=A0 for=C2=A0=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 oneself; freedom=C2=A0 from=C2=A0 control=C2=A0= or=C2=A0 restriction=C2=A0=20 |=20 |=20 |=20 | | | | | |=20 | |=20 Bricklin International Owners Club Homepage Bricklin International is the premier club dedicated to the preservation of= the nearly 3000 Bricklin automobiles... | | | |=20 |=20 | |=20 SOL's Morgan Web This web site is dedicated to helping the owner maintain, fix, and restore = their Morgan. Many of the articles co... | | | | | Virus-free. www.avast.com | ------=_Part_1518980_4975166.1757647763865 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Don't know= if any on you guys have tried to cut plaster and drywall.  Trying to = cut through plaster is and drywall, is hell on blades

My = wife and I are removing the soffit about the kitchen cabinets as part of ou= r kitchen remodel.  To cut the plaster and drywall I used my oscillati= ng saw (multi tool).  I had some wood and metal cutting blades so I tr= ied them.  Neither one of these lasted 3 ft.  I also tried using = my saber saw and went through 2 of those blades in short order.  Plast= er is just hell on blades.

=
I =20 started researching saw blades that would cut plaster.  The first one = I got  was for my Craftsman Saber saw.  I got a DIABLO4 in. 6 TPI= Carbide=20 T-Shank Jig Saw Blade for Fiber Cement and Plaster at about $15 ea at Home = Depot.  

DIABLO 4 in. 6 TPI Carbide T-Shank Jig Saw Blade for Fiber= Cement and Plaster DJT141HM - The Home Depot


------=_Part_1518980_4975166.1757647763865-- --===============3661681315527995817== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============3661681315527995817==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Sep 11 23:48:34 2025 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F064A0755 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2025 23:48:34 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from vsmx001.tt.xion.oxcs.net (unknown [153.92.124.184]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AFF5A0124 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2025 23:37:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from vsmx004.tt.xion.oxcs.net (unknown [185.27.183.176]) by mx-out.tt.xion.oxcs.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6A99A40BA6; Fri, 12 Sep 2025 05:37:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from proxy-18.proxy.shared.ham.xion.oxcs.net (proxy-18.proxy.shared.ham.xion.oxcs.net [89.240.81.220]) by mx-out.tt.xion.oxcs.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 3F78EA80196; Fri, 12 Sep 2025 05:37:01 +0000 (UTC) t=1757655423; bh=vQR28oGMSTmAp0nmYEd83BEK8CN5gOwlz+M5HHG3CpU=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=FFUnSpnxopPNjNeU6+/GWhu23Ub2Ma/KHhivRnzjxMYYY80K+wFznli3hxLj1eCsL MlYMPjIOcqqrKpu0b1lkO1fPmZ0CsfL9rJp2EtvnAxYGbriPTygaR2KFZNdjmAuWm1 ZskcynxDxhcOLARVUT3odhyp6TC8YMIP7bVA0tXmfMGwYrJWy2VDNZn2HLOfqab0N8 coXt0+qiSKO7pRcF9XdXB/5ytknS/6h1UGuNUiMu8vDQvrE1PpHv6h4gFA8RGkzKbX EXZN7fnd11OOO/ULB9sMLR/CFvzIMXfeLqJEXT2wEydaKxgyDumcHfV1q55p78QFcN 797QARal7Mlxw== Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2025 06:37:02 +0100 From: neiljsherry@talktalk.net To: shop-talk@autox.team.net, John T Blair , "shop-talk@autox.team.net" User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android References: <194596370.1510345.1757646846934.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <194596370.1510345.1757646846934@mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Craftsman Saber Saw Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============8303823044134756810== boundary=----YPK66DLBXYB5DVTCTXLBIVFPLYGRIQ Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------YPK66DLBXYB5DVTCTXLBIVFPLYGRIQ charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Likely bunged up with dust, last thing you want is any liquid in there to b= ind it together=2E I would get an airline on it and blast away to get the d= ust out=2E On 12 September 2025 04:14:06 BST, John T Blair wro= te: >Hey gang, >I've got a great saber saw, a Craftsman Model 320-17255 with the tool fre= e bald install and removal=2E=C2=A0 The shaft that goes up and down had a r= ound thing on the bottom,=C2=A0 You turn this about 90 deg to insert the bl= ade and release=2E=C2=A0 It has a spring loaded return=2E=C2=A0 Then to rem= ove the blade you again rotate this thing about 90 deg and remove the blade= =2E >Well the other day I inserted a blade and cut some drywall and plaster=2E= =C2=A0 (I'm removing the soffits over my kitchen cabinets=2E)=C2=A0 When I = was done, I tried to remove the blade and the piece that rotates would only= turn about 5deg=2E=C2=A0 So the blade is stuck in the shaft=2E=20 > >Anyone had a similar problem with a tool-less saber saw?=C2=A0 If so how = did you get a stuck blade out?=2E=C2=A0 I tried spraying some PB Blast on i= t to no avail=2E >JohnT > >John T=2E Blair=C2=A0 WA4OHZ=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 email:=C2=A0 jblair1= 948@cox=2EnetVa=2E Beach, Va=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Phone:=C2=A0 (757= ) 495-8229 > >48 TR1800=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 48 #4 Midget=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 65 Morgan 4/4 = Series V (B1106) >=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 77 Spi= tfire=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 71 Saab Sonett III >=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 65 Rambler Cla= ssic > >Morgan:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 http://autox=2Eteam=2Enet/morgan/ > >Bricklin:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 http://www=2Ebricklin=2Eorg > >If you can read this=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 - Thank a teacher!If you are reading it in= English - Thank a Vet!! > >From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy: >=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 e pluribus Unum, "from many, one=2E" >=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 In God We Trust >=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Liberty - the=C2=A0 power=C2=A0 of=C2=A0 choosin= g,=C2=A0 thinking,=C2=A0 and=C2=A0 acting=C2=A0 for=C2=A0=20 >=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 oneself; freedom=C2=A0 from=C2=A0 control=C2= =A0 or=C2=A0 restriction=C2=A0=20 > > > > > > > > > > > >| | Virus-free=2E www=2Eavast=2Ecom | > --=20 Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail=2E Please excuse my brevity=2E ------YPK66DLBXYB5DVTCTXLBIVFPLYGRIQ charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Likely bunged up with dust, last= thing you want is any liquid in there to bind it together=2E I would get a= n airline on it and blast away to get the dust out=2E


On 12 September 2025 04:14:06 BST, Joh= n T Blair <jblair1948@cox=2Enet> wrote:
Hey gang,
=
I've got a great saber saw= , a Craftsman Model 320-17255 with the tool free bald install and removal= =2E  The shaft that goes up and down had a round thing on the bottom,&= nbsp; You turn this about 90 deg to insert the blade and release=2E  I= t has a spring loaded return=2E  Then to remove the blade you again ro= tate this thing about 90 deg and remove the blade=2E

Well= the other day I inserted a blade and cut some drywall and plaster=2E = (I'm removing the soffits over my kitchen cabinets=2E)  When I was do= ne, I tried to remove the blade and the piece that rotates would only turn = about 5deg=2E  So the blade is stuck in the shaft=2E

Anyone had a similar problem with a tool-less saber saw?  If so = how did you get a stuck blade out?=2E  I tried spraying some PB Blast = on it to no avail=2E

=
JohnT


John = T=2E Blair  WA4OHZ     email:  jblair1948@cox= =2Enet
Va=2E Beach, Va          = ;        Phone:  (757) 495-8229
=
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     75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887)    77 Spit= fire    71 Saab Sonett III
            &n= bsp;          65 Rambler Class= ic



If you can read this   &n= bsp;               - Thank a t= eacher!
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     e pluribus Unum, "from many, one=2E"
     In God We Trust
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Agr= eed. My ancient Milwaukee has the same mechanism but while it always rotates= fully the blade is occasionally stuck by dust. Wiggling and swearing has wo= rked for me. With your issue I might try some graphite once you get it freed= . 

Jim

On Sep 12, 2025, at 07:55, neiljsherry@t= alktalk.net wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
Likely bunged up with dust, last thing= you want is any liquid in there to bind it together. I would get an airline= on it and blast away to get the dust out.


On 12 September 2025 04:14:06 BST, John T Blair <= ;jblair1948@cox.net> wrote:
Hey gang,

=
I've got a great saber saw, a C= raftsman Model 320-17255 with the tool free bald install and removal.  T= he shaft that goes up and down had a round thing on the bottom,  You tu= rn this about 90 deg to insert the blade and release.  It has a spring l= oaded return.  Then to remove the blade you again rotate this thing abo= ut 90 deg and remove the blade.
=
Well the other day I insert= ed a blade and cut some drywall and plaster.  (I'm removing the soffits= over my kitchen cabinets.)  When I was done, I tried to remove the bla= de and the piece that rotates would only turn about 5deg.  So the blade= is stuck in the shaft.
Anyone had a similar problem w= ith a tool-less saber saw?  If so how did you get a stuck blade out?.&n= bsp; I tried spraying some PB Blast on it to no avail.

John= T


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Va. Beach, Va          &nb= sp;       Phone:  (757) 495-8229

48 TR1800    48 #4 Midget    65 Morgan 4/4 Ser= ies V (B1106)
     75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887)    77 Spitfi= re    71 Saab Sonett III
            &nbs= p;          65 Rambler Classic<= br>

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     In God We Trust
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= --Apple-Mail-BBF30370-E450-4C69-B302-7393E0D0DAB3-- --===============2864379344675900386== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============2864379344675900386==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 12 06:31:30 2025 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB339A08EA for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2025 06:31:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from outbound.ms.icloud.com (unknown [57.103.74.25]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE505A048F for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2025 06:27:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from outbound.ms.icloud.com (unknown [127.0.0.2]) by p00-icloudmta-asmtp-us-west-3a-100-percent-4 (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6664C1800332; Fri, 12 Sep 2025 12:27:48 +0000 (UTC) bh=jTqXkzcMryT4F772b6SKEjMDYbjqINXuTMLw9x1WLBg=; h=Content-Type:From:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To:x-icloud-hme; b=XKMG70cPLb3a9D9ULmTfBt/ncrc18Gt3jzBTMV6Un9OsCIPrbB5YlUUPe+ICoIT6dk02SFO85Doz3HhGbrD76JdKmYO3HcjXMqK3Hl4WutPCEwuO0emtJ9PPoAeiQ5sIb3cxU7+GgTGxI2J6rY29J2FbIm+AzzQkV3Dv21ex1xJXJr+lCUzMkf8C5VwrkD7GesSzV/TGRjzT+NmtJxCzm4NHr6NOp/KxTp/1SwiEMSpaTgJSrFljIRk//KACOdW/rRQiNBF7T7Qwrzu1aNNzAlI6vT658a1ajP8jjnF/lsUZRDT1yaJuqduYfYDCeWoQzCoLWZmd47AkJYEXbnuaSA== Received: from smtpclient.apple (ms-asmtp-me-k8s.p00.prod.me.com [17.57.154.37]) by p00-icloudmta-asmtp-us-west-3a-100-percent-4 (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CB9F51800311; Fri, 12 Sep 2025 12:27:45 +0000 (UTC) From: Pat Horne Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2025 07:27:34 -0500 References: <696745210.1518981.1757647763868@mail.yahoo.com> To: John T Blair IWq1Q8633NO2HHN4n42cdYwYeBm6/2+gtl82aUzbWOwnc3bCv/REQw0zGo1+rKRsWMUzVmqV01W 8DEfR79Gd3T02MnB1zY+nc3kuKDotv8fJd5tZ3jeimw2CAMJbODnCmJUTBurqXaCPmSxvHdDl75 HhVIMpcSCr8oGN50B1GH0Ip23XCn6GWtP/bjdh4xil6+LgF6pXLYwal1fI8Pit6p1r2gOj1TIGu wbxLdv99vm7AektgbxxUraYamr8Z59/EefIQKDXizRurELykcWB8A1TW4djPlO9H5EOa8Febo= engine=ICAP:2.0.293,Aquarius:18.0.1117,Hydra:6.1.9,FMLib:17.12.80.40 definitions=2025-09-12_04,2025-09-11_02,2025-03-28_01 phishscore=0 spamscore=0 bulkscore=0 clxscore=1011 mlxlogscore=999 mlxscore=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.22.0-2506270000 definitions=main-2509120118 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] cutting plaster and drywall Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3684948279938766369== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-907CEC94-5A76-4BB5-AC54-79D35916A219 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the info John! I know plaster is= very tough. Back in the early 60s I watched my father cut out sections of p= laster/drywall with a small circular saw & it worked well but it was onl= y about 10=E2=80=99. 

Enjoy your remodel!
=
Peace, Pat

Pat Horne 
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Sep 11, 2025, at 10:48=E2=80=AF= PM, John T Blair <jblair1948@cox.net> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
Don't know= if any on you guys have tried to cut plaster and drywall.  Trying to c= ut through plaster is and drywall, is hell on blades

My wif= e and I are removing the soffit about the kitchen cabinets as part of our ki= tchen remodel.  To cut the plaster and drywall I used my oscillating sa= w (multi tool).  I had some wood and metal cutting blades so I tried th= em.  Neither one of these lasted 3 ft.  I also tried using my sabe= r saw and went through 2 of those blades in short order.  Plaster is ju= st hell on blades.

I =20 started researching saw blades that would cut plaster.  The first one I= got  was for my Craftsman Saber saw.  I got a DIABLO4 in. 6 TPI C= arbide=20 T-Shank Jig Saw Blade for Fiber Cement and Plaster at about $15 ea at Home D= epot.  

DIABLO 4 in. 6 TPI Carbide T-Shank Jig Saw Blade for Fiber Cemen= t and Plaster DJT141HM - The Home Depot



I bought 2.   Well I've cut out a panel of plastered drywall which=20= required 2 cuts floor to ceiling and then 1 horizontal cut between the 2 studs.  When I finished those cuts, it didn't look used.  I don't= know how many more cuts I've made=20 with that blade but it's still going strong.  I really didn't need the=20= 2nd blade.  They are outstanding!!!!

Then I went looking= for a decent blade for my oscillating saw.  I went to Harbor Freight a= nd bought 2 Titanium blades.  

https://www.harborfreight.com/1-34-in-bi-metal-reduced-shank-titanium-plung= eflush-cutting-blade-for-oscillating-multi-tools-70089.html

They weren't worth squat.  To= ok the teeth right off of them.
=
I ended up back at home dep= ot and bought 2 of Dremil's Universal 1-1/4 in. Carbide Flush Cutting O= scillating Multi-Tool Blade (1-Piece) for about $18 ea:


= Man, these are the cat's Meow!!!  I don't know how many linear feet I've cu= t cutting the soffits but I've still on my first blade and it's still=20 cutting great.

I also found a couple of different plaster cutting blades for a reciprocat= ing saws:


<= div>https:/= /www.amazon.com/Makita-723060-Drywall-Plaster-Reciprocating/dp/B0007ZQ9DU/re= f=3Dsr_1_9


Unfortunately, I haven't bought and tried any of= these.

JohnT

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= --Apple-Mail-907CEC94-5A76-4BB5-AC54-79D35916A219-- --===============3684948279938766369== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============3684948279938766369==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 12 06:49:23 2025 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32D0EA0994 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2025 06:49:23 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from outbound.ms.icloud.com (unknown [57.103.75.33]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40F81A090F for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2025 06:34:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from outbound.ms.icloud.com (unknown [127.0.0.2]) by p00-icloudmta-asmtp-us-west-3a-10-percent-0 (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EF2ED1800702; Fri, 12 Sep 2025 12:34:11 +0000 (UTC) bh=ghtf1JoCvtqv7MZbUgRQBA2DeHKvJIEy9dnNruua0Xw=; h=Content-Type:From:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To:x-icloud-hme; b=nHj93h+rq475GqkHurqXzb57GUHYZ/pGHl7yTJulcqctel3a0zl1LoE0YAQjLiiZGcRNBt0/dxgpxCJaHRxgvOSvijnyUYtphgIAFNmMdjDUbAoM/Am6TMQsINGwSIbpTZVWf48IDzKxT57nYbxUXgD6IT9v3LptB5lf8xUzJiljMP/LorNgdCzOHo9K4DLgfPSK23GsAdamdSbo4D3JZ6xK22WT4LTR3VSjRaWC5xlYyIL1c3zoRPhzmaZwIhOd1U2uJb/5NUVbom4/lGFbb+V/HK7bCbVhIdU0j0onk+Bjg/sZPYYYNDX148BhuZ7yGqQ/WUT2snV2qVOj4eYbgw== Received: from smtpclient.apple (ms-asmtp-me-k8s.p00.prod.me.com [17.57.154.37]) by p00-icloudmta-asmtp-us-west-3a-10-percent-0 (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 262C1180012C; Fri, 12 Sep 2025 12:34:09 +0000 (UTC) From: Pat Horne Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2025 07:33:57 -0500 References: <194596370.1510345.1757646846934@mail.yahoo.com> To: John T Blair FI/+qSsvUXYDxjzlI3OFJSOVWdQmVWsNUbq1mEAIGVfHuAGBZJjAMYgY7yQQRhQP8sAUPuA80BP 7LrHzoBWHxn7r/tatIj2vr7osTEp7Tq/28BRnjmSGPuRDR7UMe7Sc+z+QEw9yPcp8ne2inXw1b0 qDgYDqxSIDsY81lO7tRsCLsS8Ha7gyiXzj4+vlxlo5+IHm7edGyGG7sQIj0D8KGmHUro4/lyC7I wS+v9BCSOFpAqoU4+pGBXhxRgNezlwfUF3ZV5Ymg2d4JNDuvDEE76awBRuhhiCYzVQdM28d6o= engine=ICAP:2.0.293,Aquarius:18.0.1117,Hydra:6.1.9,FMLib:17.12.80.40 definitions=2025-09-12_04,2025-09-11_02,2025-03-28_01 bulkscore=0 clxscore=1015 spamscore=0 malwarescore=0 adultscore=0 suspectscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.22.0-2506270000 definitions=main-2509120119 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Craftsman Saber Saw Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============7823505283110703666== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-202BBEA5-639B-4CB1-A7D5-823A7EB8BFC6 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Drywall dust can be a royal pain. I have a C= raftsman router that I used for years cutting out windows & doors  = drywall in Habitat homes. The depth adjustment hasn=E2=80=99t worked in many= years, ivehadto clean the switch every couple houses & sometimes it an b= e a pain getting the bit out or tightened. Compressed air has been the main w= ay I=E2=80=99ve found to get things working again. Anything liquid just soli= difies the dust. 

Peace, Pat 

Pat Horne 
We su= pport Habitat for Humanity


On= Sep 11, 2025, at 10:31=E2=80=AFPM, John T Blair <jblair1948@cox.net> w= rote:

=EF=BB=BF
Hey gang,

I've got a great saber saw, a Craftsman Model 320-17255 with t= he tool free bald install and removal.  The shaft that goes up and down= had a round thing on the bottom,  You turn this about 90 deg to insert= the blade and release.  It has a spring loaded return.  Then to r= emove the blade you again rotate this thing about 90 deg and remove the blad= e.

Well the other day I inserted a blade and cut some drywa= ll and plaster.  (I'm removing the soffits over my kitchen cabinets.)&n= bsp; When I was done, I tried to remove the blade and the piece that rotates= would only turn about 5deg.  So the blade is stuck in the shaft.
<= /div>

Anyone had a similar problem with a tool-less saber saw?&nb= sp; If so how did you get a stuck blade out?.  I tried spraying some PB= Blast on it to no avail.

JohnT


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I=C2=A0>would get an airline on it and blast away to get= the dust out. Thanks guys.=C2=A0 Blowing it out did the trick!!!!=C2=A0 I don't know why = I didn't try that.=C2=A0 I was thinking about trying to grab the head with = some large pliers/channel locks but didn't want to mess up the plastic part= . You guys saved me a saber saw.=C2=A0 I had this happen once before years ag= o.=C2=A0 But that time I was able to just wiggle the blade and turn the wha= tever it's called and that worked.=C2=A0 Not this time.=C2=A0 I wiggled, pu= lled, and pushed on the blade both while turning the thingy and not turning= the thingy.=C2=A0 :)=C2=A0=20 Thanks again guys for the suggestion. JohnT =20 | | Virus-free. www.avast.com | ------=_Part_324925_1086429913.1757694740694 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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On Friday, September 12, 2025 at 01:37:05 AM EDT,&n= bsp; you  wrote:

N= eil wrote:
>Likely bunged up with dust, last thing you wan= t is any liquid in there to bind it together. I 
>would get an airline on it and blast away to get= the dust out.

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= Thanks guys.  Blowing it out did the trick!!!!  I don't know why = I didn't try that.  I was thinking about trying to grab the head with = some large pliers/channel locks but didn't want to mess up the plastic part= .

You guys saved me a saber saw.  I had this happen = once before years ago.  But that time I was able to just wiggle the bl= ade and turn the whatever it's called and that worked.  Not this time.=   I wiggled, pulled, and pushed on the blade both while turning the th= ingy and not turning the thingy.  :) 

Than= ks again guys for the suggestion.

JohnT



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For= real plaster on lath, the best tool is a diamond blade in an angle grinder.=  Saws vibrate the lath, and break keys all over.  You=E2=80=99ll w= ant dust collection. And a respirator. 

For drywall, my favorite way is to pull the screws or nail= s. I have a magnet called a =E2=80=9Cstud ball=E2=80=9D sold for finding stu= ds by finding the screws.  Works great, will even find lathing nails th= rough an inch of plaster. 


On Sep 11, 2025, at 22:45, John T Blair &= lt;jblair1948@cox.net> wrote:

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Don't know if any on you guys have tried to cut plaster and drywall.=   Trying to cut through plaster is and drywall, is hell on blades
=

My wife and I are removing the soffit about the kitchen cabinets= as part of our kitchen remodel.  To cut the plaster and drywall I used= my oscillating saw (multi tool).  I had some wood and metal cutting bl= ades so I tried them.  Neither one of these lasted 3 ft.  I also t= ried using my saber saw and went through 2 of those blades in short order.&n= bsp; Plaster is just hell on blades.

I =20 started researching saw blades that would cut plaster.  The first one I= got  was for my Craftsman Saber saw.  I got a DIABLO4 in. 6 TPI C= arbide=20 T-Shank Jig Saw Blade for Fiber Cement and Plaster at about $15 ea at Home D= epot.  

DIABLO 4 in. 6 TPI Carbide T-Shank Jig Saw Blade for Fiber Cemen= t and Plaster DJT141HM - The Home Depot



I bought 2.   Well I've cut out a panel of plastered drywall which=20= required 2 cuts floor to ceiling and then 1 horizontal cut between the 2 studs.  When I finished those cuts, it didn't look used.  I don't= know how many more cuts I've made=20 with that blade but it's still going strong.  I really didn't need the=20= 2nd blade.  They are outstanding!!!!

Then I went looking= for a decent blade for my oscillating saw.  I went to Harbor Freight a= nd bought 2 Titanium blades.  

https://www.harborfreight.com/1-34-in-bi-metal-reduced-shank-titanium-plung= eflush-cutting-blade-for-oscillating-multi-tools-70089.html

They weren't worth squat.  To= ok the teeth right off of them.
=
I ended up back at home dep= ot and bought 2 of Dremil's Universal 1-1/4 in. Carbide Flush Cutting O= scillating Multi-Tool Blade (1-Piece) for about $18 ea:


= Man, these are the cat's Meow!!!  I don't know how many linear feet I've cu= t cutting the soffits but I've still on my first blade and it's still=20 cutting great.

I also found a couple of different plaster cutting blades for a reciprocat= ing saws:


<= div>https:/= /www.amazon.com/Makita-723060-Drywall-Plaster-Reciprocating/dp/B0007ZQ9DU/re= f=3Dsr_1_9


Unfortunately, I haven't bought and tried any of= these.

JohnT

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Replaced the battery with a brand new one, hit the ON button and nothing. Zip. Nada. Tried swapping the new battery in and out a couple of times, no change. Did a web search, nothing specific to failure to turn on. Anyone have any suggestions? Maybe it is turning on, but the display remains blank. Maybe it is not turning on at all. How can I tell? Replacing the display module seems a pricey gamble. 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Fri, 19 Sep 2025 00:16:51 +0000 From: Bill Rabel Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2025 17:16:30 -0700 References: To: Mark Bradakis dKsGR6/1VWF12DxMOr34cIcPUtzGKn+yo8aXykOLGycvzQmtBwic3c8g81jFVTbhAj9POWyLXMlBZrZMCxn1KXeNO/CC/X5cpWhrFgy2Ur1sSWrIdzTBfwD9 VHQAxagJkdDYa4jhEX43pw== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Mitutoyo digital calipers not working Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============2651319973886809548== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-3C242BB4-B92A-4149-B94F-FF33C651B830 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark - My caliper has no name on it so this is just a suggestion.=20 When I replaced my dead battery, the configuration isn=E2=80=99t obvious as t= o which side is =E2=80=98up=E2=80=99 on the battery.=20 The illogical choice brought mine back to life.=20 - Bill The blind spot of AI is that consciousness does not emerge from thought; it i= s the source of it.=20 - George Gilder =20 > On Sep 18, 2025, at 4:58=E2=80=AFPM, Mark Bradakis wro= te: >=20 > =EF=BB=BFOkay, I dusted off my old Mitutoyo digital calipers ( 500-196 CD= -6CS ). Replaced the battery with a brand new one, hit the ON button and no= thing. Zip. Nada. Tried swapping the new battery in and out a couple of t= imes, no change. Did a web search, nothing specific to failure to turn on. >=20 > Anyone have any suggestions? Maybe it is turning on, but the display rema= ins blank. Maybe it is not turning on at all. How can I tell? Replacing th= e display module seems a pricey gamble. Other options? >=20 > mjb. >=20 > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arc= hive >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/brabel= @comcast.net >=20 --Apple-Mail-3C242BB4-B92A-4149-B94F-FF33C651B830 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark -

My caliper has no= name on it so this is just a suggestion. 
When I replaced my= dead battery, the configuration isn=E2=80=99t obvious as to which side is =E2= =80=98up=E2=80=99 on the battery. 
The illogical choice broug= ht mine back to life. 

- Bill


The blind spot of AI is that cons= ciousness does not emerge from thought; it is the source of it. =

- George Gilder

&n= bsp;


On Sep 18, 2= 025, at 4:58=E2=80=AFPM, Mark Bradakis <mark@bradakis.com> wrote:
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=EF=BB=BFOkay, I dusted off my old Mitutoyo digital calipers ( 500-196  CD-6= CS ).  Replaced the battery with a brand new one, hit the ON button and= nothing.  Zip.  Nada.  Tried swapping the new battery in and= out a couple of times, no change.  Did a web search, nothing specific t= o failure to turn on.

Anyone have any sugge= stions?  Maybe it is turning on, but the display remains blank.  M= aybe it is not turning on at all.  How can I tell? Replacing the displa= y module seems a pricey gamble.  Other options?
=
mjb.

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= = --Apple-Mail-3C242BB4-B92A-4149-B94F-FF33C651B830-- --===============2651319973886809548== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============2651319973886809548==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Sep 19 06:31:19 2025 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EEC7A0620 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2025 06:31:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from sonic302-21.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (unknown [66.163.186.147]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42DDFA015E for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2025 06:24:55 -0600 (MDT) t=1758284695; bh=8M0EW8Xpam329fW4pmRgcsGTe1yGEK2OqHn4dzyCmBU=; h=Date:From:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject:Reply-To; b=qio+zqJ9eckrGuI4aLoWHUc4HErBpQ9KusYgRtM2tWMq2sC+u+itD9Tznh3s+Q0Uh83FMi9oZH61VZca1GBDd3gtV51lSlAVdZ1Ct2dxtKa2wdYp46GVOpcGspVVV484PQ2MFccyVJWE/ZPJNqmVsIktvNkIpltVSohCvCfUg0p53paD2VKeyYOU8RLBtPFrL4MYFNgXm3gS4EEwP6tKZWtK3iysrv/X8R+XAGdEuHTV0AoKAHPb0rGghb7/1LLt9EoZFmjXuLwF07uW6HPAjigmesuFANc5AM1o5sdrbHTi2FGQY1nKLPQzJzHYhNhmppKPXh2n7DaSzwMnfybhAQ== t=1758284695; bh=AG35deCrmyLTSMPvSpTMITHE+6MT5H0mLJ4Uwhau/wE=; h=X-Sonic-MF:Date:From:To:Subject:From:Subject; b=P1bntpDbenXkDcy+IeDKhCFrZ07vn0+w1kYfAPw3YbTtBzelJRFE8uyam6uEPxkUm4DSZuvBQuIQxC8nbtLlPTiZzSu9NPhw4M7ufj5wYcUgtcegposrDevPkew2EY0/3IET7Xlm0erUV2BdFkDveeCjsl4o1P6MxcMpTYJz07ZJtO08OxOOlxZ898ELgBWrXfzGnu1SN1bbvDoPlvFQM+d3RyHcghML8IglzIplrlltG4x58LyrWbvNMCfMy3gcU9m5++pf/GWhTrDy3qp6cFEmR0nSUIsSi8jHD6us3M6W8eBfCnZkdqijTDqAqizxA/paHby4ZJtiTLn+K+trug== _wV6BU9nGNeLscGZqMMPKWNojhJt3gXYWHeNXbL1ykl.HsjRpnQ.Kr8m3rK4f2seMjytOcCTn5n9 hmZwW4mwNKR3mD7PKjUcv.gDtFsHQJ157wJppNTsFCU2PIQqDAVWEBTCN0c75uG1BM67aF.rNQ6K .cuPqmDgwZAOWD7KYMHC_yhCVzAMXddX5JkkdXE3BUv2i6uqberjZBPymykA21IhV5b9yAcT5og6 XPdGeYeYljtKotePcT_lTp3qu7oUnhmnnybMGLhFcAgQdVXMU3fLK1gV6TnKFamFBfKOfheafqQ8 GB84eArniqgr3NL2y5CzZzlBBELORQESYJok3NKtcyuy.HyWmeLiO7jrm9ObaJoaNA1z6j32xXNl aPkkw3btmfFq8_3ZXAJACF0IQsFfvqPAcP5UfsNkunRES1Cl58TgpRa5CGQfvWKkk3KggbpjUJt3 CwUdF.Nwlip772S6LE_G2lajAnmSIedZZyq4pcqTQtSe27oEGh.oXtKUjzYYd7Rth_dMMVQFMCDE gFCEJRbN_dhrDUvLvjbHRq9cQ01evzYUpsnC.6fLZc63g2zpKCdr2CrM7FRA12AHlTt7WP_xtq02 .08rUX7RucgSez9NLj8EGAPgHMee6afAveSikhkaQ1dd.WsrfEpzap0uYUAgP2ppJ8KHuBoGlZYa tG3Ym0bQ4s5LUgG6JiZU0zA.qw8eFML0FlRM3nc2stK7Kd.eb4sRVqFOvgXY03IfLlpELWRlgYhB 3ZdYQYI2JdSHNvuWzS6x8XBuSLRIEkEf7_y2au60pGUtEYyh6Jp.I7qtBsPLLLZhMHLlvKL.s0mw AGfvKpGslN1hbn12R3JTa6ZwpdLMezf6DtLHx8.9oKNTRTFPKVony.e6LSNrAAgiIfc6mRt9zXSH qoaaFmzSAEgBiDascSV1W5TWY5b3sMq7TQ7IJbMhzM6m.p7U5sbjvKJQT8z5Drh2YF8EW.8EWOLr 6Tj8kctYtufnANv7WWN_zj18YVorXrYMd__IG7rDSScwDOFwntaD9SYGNbkTEtQwdtvuXOexseAo G8.CsrREKksnr_c0lcgYwAImsfD4XEp24HCRNy_GgcPNMuhrWWyxEVdwSvJ_s3ThWBaodCqUtpEq 1QjE2XLYDwbilmwYJGcRRUgdv7gx1CFyoSdG4wKD2j2mAqlKoeSg7PtUa5kmCL_A2mxhMyw5ccbg kfPMuVTXO5xbwtpIfVkIqDijDsk3ziXs_2fY3Uo8I94gOS2SFsO83WhpP3a.axHNENbsK66m7V7c ugdaFan0iUn_ruT8Uc.RU550ZyGZ.RzrRbjPfyKE5Ar1Ckb7dcfbOb0sSq1oHlKR2Gl3gkg644cQ IbADrTeh8JuNzzK9blJ.p4eTayVGXK2RF5k2CA1O882jX7fngN00gLNbJPfktHq_jVDBMM_eTmJb pfPNPwBxOQTbd10yWns5OEDJbyoC6_H8_oNPp75bIuVjxHFl0ZHrNLbD613vwMDP25U4lfEwcdpI OQn3ettTzhoyDRMdollBBsfd1J96pwaK6P54bi629d_iffFFkEsic.d74sIzNSyONTfVb7zrsrQq 69F0YCcXa0D4SJf.t4NWaS4bfjK9zNwc7QrRJdfUzsI1R8l3TwmhEevSd0F_JRqmGGQwI3Fm5f3F c.rUby062afKa.cV5mi4r34kaVRpEgjdIhWEPN6qc1_v5kj_fJ.i5O83YW3laEXbaFC.xaskdAZm GZdiG5.EiHdC4z9xPZ4chqjD62rmw8CwHBtM8VR7xlc6w6aVz_y8CrgxVQMeZw8dI4arFxSOumR. 2nMnMiolSTziNgvtuTq379f.eOBK20KHTqUxbv9TgRXvv_JDO0N2bUTvJQORUOH6Y.BCqzVnht3U Co45OCSbYd61qPg14_a.tIVZToc_n9TdL6tGOHEoqJqxUysDrZ5q1bT3foMwqvWVd3ZzmRD2iQki .aA2oQbVBY_3sRskPL4WcWJq9lbQcrzJx18qse9SO9zDMbFxQxxO8ocuX8kvA6Fbo1nW.X2amIed Sdusktx3KrC5Xi4EaVsR3B1XQTbyt0oo39bFIuRzmvmI_YyLyJQwde3q92GmUluEDVRgxMBo2u1i xk58cc2Gx8Cz2TDxpov8XEf3rgEFai1wC7yg0OFPDvzKzdjfbgDiTBf9laMovwQfZRMdOodHDyx8 oaFa3ieAISAv5hZ0C4EGFIYt3f5e8HpyKv_4W Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic302.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Fri, 19 Sep 2025 12:24:55 +0000 Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2025 12:24:50 +0000 (UTC) From: DAVID MASSEY To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" , Mark Bradakis References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Mitutoyo digital calipers not working Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5415956524811165207== boundary="----=_Part_5437469_1453003557.1758284690943" ------=_Part_5437469_1453003557.1758284690943 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Harbor Freight.=C2=A0 I've had good use of the two I got from there. Dave=20 =20 On Thursday, September 18, 2025 at 06:46:26 PM CDT, Mark Bradakis wrote: =20 Okay, I dusted off my old Mitutoyo digital calipers ( 500-196=C2=A0 CD-6CS= ).=20 =C2=A0 Replaced the battery with a brand new one, hit the ON button and=20 nothing.=C2=A0 Zip.=C2=A0 Nada.=C2=A0 Tried swapping the new battery in and= out a=20 couple of times, no change.=C2=A0 Did a web search, nothing specific to=20 failure to turn on. Anyone have any suggestions?=C2=A0 Maybe it is turning on, but the display= =20 remains blank.=C2=A0 Maybe it is not turning on at all.=C2=A0 How can I tel= l?=20 Replacing the display module seems a pricey gamble.=C2=A0 Other options? mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arch= ive ssey@cs.com =20 ------=_Part_5437469_1453003557.1758284690943 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Harbor Freight.  I've had good use of t= he two I got from there.

Dave
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On Thursday, September 18, 2025 at 06:46:26 PM CDT,= Mark Bradakis <mark@bradakis.com> wrote:


Okay, I dusted off my old Mitutoyo di= gital calipers ( 500-196  CD-6CS ).
  = Replaced the battery with a brand new one, hit the ON button and
=
nothing.  Zip.  Nada.  Tried swapping the n= ew battery in and out a
couple of times, no chan= ge.  Did a web search, nothing specific to
= failure to turn on.

An= yone have any suggestions?  Maybe it is turning on, but the display
remains blank.  Maybe it is not turning on at= all.  How can I tell?
Replacing the displa= y module seems a pricey gamble.  Other options?

mjb.

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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 3f463803804b0961b360cf1c7752de8d; Sat, 27 Sep 2025 14:43:46 +0000 (UTC) From: "john niolon" To: "shop-talk" Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2025 09:43:44 -0500 User-Agent: OEClassic/5.2 (Win10.19045; P; 2025-08-14) References: <1UkSvWeRAH.3PSHGCDX72r.ref@johns-desktop> mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Subject: [Shop-talk] brake shudder Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============7117755380817010762== --------------070303080907020201070208 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline well I carry tools in my suburban (shop content) =20 Mt problem is a 2008 suburban that has always had a brake shudder (warped= =20 rotor) problem since I've had it... every year it seems it's=20 replace rotor time. =20 This year I know I had two never turned rotors. I put a dial indicator on= =20 rotors and saw no more than .002 runout.. so I decided to just get them turned just to see what difference it would make. =20 =20 Took them to a reputable shop that turned them and reinstalled. First driv= e=20 was thru the neighborhood with no shudder. Second drive was a ten mile trip on freeway... when exiting freeway I felt = the=20 shudder and it seemed worse than before I turned the rotors... =20 I'm going to tear them back down next week to check everything but wonderin= g if there is something else I need to check or be concerned about. I did try stopping with just the parking brake with no sh= udder so that eliminates the rear rotors causing the problem. Pads look nearly new and fit in the caliper nicely... Caliper pis= tons are retracting as the should (pads are not bound to rotor when removing wheels. Lines look ok from the outside. Caliper pins are smooth an= d well lubricated. =20 any ideas/suggestions/true life experiences/fantastic tales ??? john --------------070303080907020201070208 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
well I carry tools in my suburban (shop conten= t)
 
Mt problem is a 2008 suburban that has always = had a brake shudder (warped rotor) problem since I've had it... every year = it seems it's
replace rotor time.
 
This year I know I had two  never turned = rotors.  I put a dial indicator on rotors and saw no more than .002 ru= nout.. so I decided to just get
them turned just to see what difference it wou= ld make. 
 
Took them to a reputable shop that turned them= and reinstalled.  First drive was thru the neighborhood with no shudd= er.
Second drive was a ten mile trip on freeway...= when exiting freeway I felt the shudder and it seemed worse than before I = turned
the rotors...
 
I'm going to tear them back down next week to = check everything but wondering if there is something else I need to check o= r be
concerned about.  I did try stopping with= just the parking brake with no shudder so that eliminates the rear rotors = causing the
problem.  Pads look nearly new and fit in= the caliper nicely... Caliper pistons are retracting as the should (pads a= re not bound to rotor when
removing wheels. Lines look ok from the outsid= e. Caliper pins are smooth and well lubricated.
 
any ideas/suggestions/true life experiences/fa= ntastic tales ???
john
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My understanding is that pads will transfer some material to the rotors and you want this to be done as evenly as possible. Try this: (find a safe place to do it, of course) Make ~ 6 to 10 hard brake applications from ~ 60mph to ~ 20 mph (not fully stopping) with a few minutes of driving between each brake application to allow the brakes to cool. Avoid making a hard brake application then coming to a complete stop. EjR On Sat, Sep 27, 2025 at 10:56=E2=80=AFAM john niolon wrot= e: > well I carry tools in my suburban (shop content) > > Mt problem is a 2008 suburban that has always had a brake shudder (warped > rotor) problem since I've had it... every year it seems it's > replace rotor time. > > This year I know I had two never turned rotors. I put a dial indicator > on rotors and saw no more than .002 runout.. so I decided to just get > them turned just to see what difference it would make. > > Took them to a reputable shop that turned them and reinstalled. First > drive was thru the neighborhood with no shudder. > Second drive was a ten mile trip on freeway... when exiting freeway I fel= t > the shudder and it seemed worse than before I turned > the rotors... > > I'm going to tear them back down next week to check everything but > wondering if there is something else I need to check or be > concerned about. I did try stopping with just the parking brake with no > shudder so that eliminates the rear rotors causing the > problem. Pads look nearly new and fit in the caliper nicely... Caliper > pistons are retracting as the should (pads are not bound to rotor when > removing wheels. Lines look ok from the outside. Caliper pins are smooth > and well lubricated. > > any ideas/suggestions/true life experiences/fantastic tales ??? > john > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/ejrussell61@gmail.com > > --000000000000e7d38b063fc9d9c2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
How= are you bedding in the pads? My understanding is that pads will transfer s= ome material to the=C2=A0rotors and you want this to be done as evenly as p= ossible. Try this: (find a safe place to do it, of course)=C2=A0 Make ~ 6 t= o 10 hard brake applications from ~ 60mph to ~ 20 mph (not fully stopping) = with a few minutes of driving between each brake application to allow the b= rakes to cool. Avoid making a hard brake application then coming to a compl= ete stop.=C2=A0

EjR=C2=A0=

On Sat, Sep 27, 2025 at 10:56=E2=80=AFAM john= niolon <jniolon@att.net> wrot= e:
well I carry tools in my suburban (shop conten= t)
=C2=A0
Mt problem is a 2008 suburban that has always = had a brake shudder (warped rotor) problem since I've had it... every y= ear it seems it's
replace rotor time.
=C2=A0
This year I know I had two=C2=A0 never turned = rotors.=C2=A0 I put a dial indicator on rotors and saw no more than .002 ru= nout.. so I decided to just=C2=A0get
them turned just to see what difference it wou= ld make.=C2=A0
=C2=A0
Took them to a reputable shop that turned them= and reinstalled.=C2=A0 First drive was thru the neighborhood with no shudd= er.
Second drive was a ten mile trip on freeway...= when exiting freeway I felt the shudder and it seemed worse than before I = turned
the rotors...
=C2=A0
I'm going to tear them back down next week= to check everything but wondering if there is something else I need to che= ck or be
concerned about.=C2=A0 I did try stopping with= just the parking brake with no shudder so that eliminates the rear rotors = causing the
problem.=C2=A0 Pads look nearly new and fit in= the caliper nicely... Caliper pistons are retracting as the should (pads a= re not bound to rotor when
removing wheels. Lines look ok from the outsid= e. Caliper pins are smooth and well lubricated.
=C2=A0
any ideas/suggestions/true life experiences/fa= ntastic tales ???
john
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John, Have you check the caliper pins to ensue they are tight?=C2=A0 They aren't = expensive, I'd suggest that you shot gun them.=C2=A0=20 JohnT, John T. Blair=C2=A0 WA4OHZ=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 email:=C2=A0 jblair1948@= cox.netVa. 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On Saturday, September= 27, 2025 at 11:04:34 AM EDT,  you wrote:

>My problem is a 2008 suburban that has always had a brake= shudder 
>(war= ped rotor) problem since I've had it... every year it seems it's
>replace rotor time.

 >a= ny ideas/suggestions/true life experiences/fantastic tales ???
=

J= ohn,

Have you check the caliper pins to ensue th= ey are tight?  They aren't expensive, I'd suggest that you shot gun th= em. 

JohnT,





=



John T. Blair  WA4OHZ     email:  jblair1948@= cox.net
Va. Beach, Va          &n= bsp;       Phone:  (757) 495-8229
48 TR1800    48 #4 Midget    65 Morgan 4/4 Se= ries V (B1106)
     75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887)    77 Spitf= ire    71 Saab Sonett III
            &nb= sp;          65 Rambler Classi= c

Morgan:    http://autox.team.net/morgan/

<= a href=3D"http://autox.team.net/morgan/" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank"= class=3D""> Bricklin:     http://www.bricklin.org
<= /a>

If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!!

>From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy:
     e pluribus Unum, "from many, one."
     In God We Trust
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On Sat, Sep 27, 2025 at 10:54=E2=80=AFAM Eric Russell wrote: > How are you bedding in the pads? My understanding is that pads will > transfer some material to the rotors and you want this to be done as even= ly > as possible. Try this: (find a safe place to do it, of course) Make ~ 6 = to > 10 hard brake applications from ~ 60mph to ~ 20 mph (not fully stopping) > with a few minutes of driving between each brake application to allow the > brakes to cool. Avoid making a hard brake application then coming to a > complete stop. > > EjR > > On Sat, Sep 27, 2025 at 10:56=E2=80=AFAM john niolon wr= ote: > >> well I carry tools in my suburban (shop content) >> >> Mt problem is a 2008 suburban that has always had a brake shudder (warpe= d >> rotor) problem since I've had it... every year it seems it's >> replace rotor time. >> >> This year I know I had two never turned rotors. I put a dial indicator >> on rotors and saw no more than .002 runout.. so I decided to just get >> them turned just to see what difference it would make. >> >> Took them to a reputable shop that turned them and reinstalled. First >> drive was thru the neighborhood with no shudder. >> Second drive was a ten mile trip on freeway... when exiting freeway I >> felt the shudder and it seemed worse than before I turned >> the rotors... >> >> I'm going to tear them back down next week to check everything but >> wondering if there is something else I need to check or be >> concerned about. I did try stopping with just the parking brake with no >> shudder so that eliminates the rear rotors causing the >> problem. Pads look nearly new and fit in the caliper nicely... Caliper >> pistons are retracting as the should (pads are not bound to rotor when >> removing wheels. Lines look ok from the outside. Caliper pins are smooth >> and well lubricated. >> >> any ideas/suggestions/true life experiences/fantastic tales ??? >> john >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/ejrussell61@gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/ronnie.day@gmail.com > > --00000000000031b5af063fca914c Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If the rotors don=E2=80=99t show significant warping, I= =E2=80=99d check for worn tie rod ends or problems with the rack and pinion= unit itself.

On Sat, Sep 27, 2025 at 10:54=E2=80= =AFAM Eric Russell <ejrussell61= @gmail.com> wrote:
How are you= bedding in the pads? My understanding is that pads will transfer some mate= rial to the=C2=A0rotors and you want this to be done as evenly as possible.= Try this: (find a safe place to do it, of course)=C2=A0 Make ~ 6 to 10 har= d brake applications from ~ 60mph to ~ 20 mph (not fully stopping) with a f= ew minutes of driving between each brake application to allow the brakes to= cool. Avoid making a hard brake application then coming to a complete stop= .=C2=A0

EjR=C2=A0

On= Sat, Sep 27, 2025 at 10:56=E2=80=AFAM john niolon <jniolon@att.net> wrote:
well I carry tools in my suburban (shop conten= t)
=C2=A0
Mt problem is a 2008 suburban that has always = had a brake shudder (warped rotor) problem since I've had it... every y= ear it seems it's
replace rotor time.
=C2=A0
This year I know I had two=C2=A0 never turned = rotors.=C2=A0 I put a dial indicator on rotors and saw no more than .002 ru= nout.. so I decided to just=C2=A0get
them turned just to see what difference it wou= ld make.=C2=A0
=C2=A0
Took them to a reputable shop that turned them= and reinstalled.=C2=A0 First drive was thru the neighborhood with no shudd= er.
Second drive was a ten mile trip on freeway...= when exiting freeway I felt the shudder and it seemed worse than before I = turned
the rotors...
=C2=A0
I'm going to tear them back down next week= to check everything but wondering if there is something else I need to che= ck or be
concerned about.=C2=A0 I did try stopping with= just the parking brake with no shudder so that eliminates the rear rotors = causing the
problem.=C2=A0 Pads look nearly new and fit in= the caliper nicely... Caliper pistons are retracting as the should (pads a= re not bound to rotor when
removing wheels. Lines look ok from the outsid= e. Caliper pins are smooth and well lubricated.
=C2=A0
any ideas/suggestions/true life experiences/fa= ntastic tales ???
john
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--00000000000031b5af063fca914c-- --===============5919188904417318131== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============5919188904417318131==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Sep 27 11:13:57 2025 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC1EBA0D13 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2025 11:13:56 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from Deep13.mail.Megageek.com (unknown [34.199.103.79]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B66C8A0C7F for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2025 10:35:36 -0600 (MDT) References: <1UkSvWeRAH.3PSHGCDX72r.ref@johns-desktop> <1UkSvWeRAH.3PSHGCDX72r@johns-desktop> To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net type=4; name=$KeepSent From: eric@megageek.com Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2025 12:35:35 -0400 09/27/2025 12:35:37 PM, Serialize complete at 09/27/2025 12:35:37 PM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] brake shudder Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============7108844145119883272== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 005B265185258D12_= John, A couple of things, I didn't think you turn a modern rotor. There normally isn't enough 'meet' to remove them and have them be stout enough. I think that is why you had a problem with the turned rotors so quickly. My other question, do you have speed bumps that you regularly have to go over? What about pot holes? I always learned that braking while going over large bumps or pot holes is a good way to warp a rotor. I'm just throwing these out there. I have no other in sight. Have a great day. Moose From: "john niolon" To: "shop-talk" Date: 09/27/2025 10:59 AM Subject: [Shop-talk] brake shudder Sent by: "Shop-talk" well I carry tools in my suburban (shop content) Mt problem is a 2008 suburban that has always had a brake shudder (warped rotor) problem since I've had it... every year it seems it's replace rotor time. This year I know I had two never turned rotors. I put a dial indicator on rotors and saw no more than .002 runout.. so I decided to just get them turned just to see what difference it would make. Took them to a reputable shop that turned them and reinstalled. First drive was thru the neighborhood with no shudder. Second drive was a ten mile trip on freeway... when exiting freeway I felt the shudder and it seemed worse than before I turned the rotors... I'm going to tear them back down next week to check everything but wondering if there is something else I need to check or be concerned about. I did try stopping with just the parking brake with no shudder so that eliminates the rear rotors causing the problem. Pads look nearly new and fit in the caliper nicely... Caliper pistons are retracting as the should (pads are not bound to rotor when removing wheels. Lines look ok from the outside. Caliper pins are smooth and well lubricated. any ideas/suggestions/true life experiences/fantastic tales ??? john_______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eric@megageek.com --=_alternative 005B265185258D12_= John,

A couple of things, I didn't think you turn a modern rotor. There normally isn't enough 'meet' to remove them and have them be stout enough.  I think that is why you had a problem with the turned rotors so quickly.

My other question, do you have speed bumps that you regularly have to go over?  What about pot holes?  I always learned that braking while going over large bumps or pot holes is a good way to warp a rotor.

I'm just throwing these out there.  I have no other in sight.

Have a great day.

Moose



From:        "john niolon" <jniolon@att.net>
To:        "shop-talk" <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Date:        09/27/2025 10:59 AM
Subject:        [Shop-talk] brake shudder
Sent by:        "Shop-talk" <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net>



well I carry tools in my suburban (shop content)
 
Mt problem is a 2008 suburban that has always had a brake shudder (warped rotor) problem since I've had it... every year it seems it's
replace rotor time.
 
This year I know I had two  never turned rotors.  I put a dial indicator on rotors and saw no more than .002 runout.. so I decided to just get
them turned just to see what difference it would make.  
 
Took them to a reputable shop that turned them and reinstalled.  First drive was thru the neighborhood with no shudder.
Second drive was a ten mile trip on freeway... when exiting freeway I felt the shudder and it seemed worse than before I turned
the rotors...
 
I'm going to tear them back down next week to check everything but wondering if there is something else I need to check or be
concerned about.  I did try stopping with just the parking brake with no shudder so that eliminates the rear rotors causing the
problem.  Pads look nearly new and fit in the caliper nicely... Caliper pistons are retracting as the should (pads are not bound to rotor when
removing wheels. Lines look ok from the outside. Caliper pins are smooth and well lubricated.
 
any ideas/suggestions/true life experiences/fantastic tales ???
john_______________________________________________

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The O.P. Stated that he measured a maximum devi= ation of .002=E2=80=9D. How was that measurement taken? It could have been t= he measurement between one surface of the rotor to a part of the car that is= stationary, or the thickness of the rotor. Variation in the thickness of th= e rotor will produce more variation in the pedal than a warped rotor.=20 As for not turning rotors any more, a local, highly regarded shop says to tu= rn older rotors, especially OEM rather than replacing them with aftermarket r= otors because the steel quality of old rotors was better.=20 Peace, Pat Pat Horne=20 We support Habitat for Humanity On Sep 27, 2025, at 12:24=E2=80=AFPM, eric@megageek.com wrote: =EF=BB=BFJohn, A couple of things, I didn't think you turn a modern rotor. There normally i= sn't enough 'meet' to remove them and have them be stout enough. I think th= at is why you had a problem with the turned rotors so quickly. My other question, do you have speed bumps that you regularly have to go ove= r? What about pot holes? I always learned that braking while going over la= rge bumps or pot holes is a good way to warp a rotor. I'm just throwing these out there. I have no other in sight. Have a great day. Moose From: "john niolon" To: "shop-talk" Date: 09/27/2025 10:59 AM Subject: [Shop-talk] brake shudder Sent by: "Shop-talk" well I carry tools in my suburban (shop content) =20 Mt problem is a 2008 suburban that has always had a brake shudder (warped ro= tor) problem since I've had it... every year it seems it's replace rotor time. =20 This year I know I had two never turned rotors. I put a dial indicator on r= otors and saw no more than .002 runout.. so I decided to just get them turned just to see what difference it would make. =20 =20 Took them to a reputable shop that turned them and reinstalled. First drive= was thru the neighborhood with no shudder. Second drive was a ten mile trip on freeway... when exiting freeway I felt t= he shudder and it seemed worse than before I turned the rotors... =20 I'm going to tear them back down next week to check everything but wondering= if there is something else I need to check or be concerned about. I did try stopping with just the parking brake with no shu= dder so that eliminates the rear rotors causing the problem. Pads look nearly new and fit in the caliper nicely... Caliper pist= ons are retracting as the should (pads are not bound to rotor when removing wheels. Lines look ok from the outside. Caliper pins are smooth and= well lubricated. =20 any ideas/suggestions/true life experiences/fantastic tales ??? john_______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archi= ve ageek.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archi= ve as@icloud.com --Apple-Mail-2D18276E-D522-432C-8029-191B9378DF98 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Something just came to mind. The O.P. State= d that he measured a maximum deviation of .002=E2=80=9D. How was that measur= ement taken? It could have been the measurement between one surface of the r= otor to a part of the car that is stationary, or the thickness of the rotor.= Variation in the thickness of the rotor will produce more variation in the p= edal than a warped rotor. 

As for not turning rotors= any more, a local, highly regarded shop says to turn older rotors, especial= ly OEM rather than replacing them with aftermarket rotors because the steel q= uality of old rotors was better. 

Peace, Pat

Pat Horne 
We support Habi= tat for Humanity


On Sep 27, 2= 025, at 12:24=E2=80=AFPM, eric@megageek.com wrote:

=EF=BB=BFJohn,

A couple of thing= s, I didn't think you turn a modern rotor. There normally isn't enough 'meet' to remove them and have them be stout enough.  I think that is why you had a problem with the turned rotors so quickly.

My other question= , do you have speed bumps that you regularly have to go over?  What about pot holes?  I always learned that braking while going over large bumps or pot holes is a good way to warp a rotor.

I'm just throwing= these out there.  I have no other in sight.

Have a great day.

Moose



From:=        "john niolon" <jniolon@att.net>
To:        "shop-talk" <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Date= :        09/27/2025 10:59 AM
Subj= ect:        [Shop-talk] brake shudder
Sent= by:        "Shop-talk" <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net>



well I carry tools in my suburban (shop content)
 
Mt problem is a 2008 suburban that has always had a brake shudder (warped rotor) problem since I've had it... every year it seems it's
replace rotor time.=
 
This year I know I had two  never turned rotors.  I put a dial indicator on rotors and saw no more than .002 runout.. so I decided to just get
them turned just to see what difference it would make.  
 
Took them to a repu= table shop that turned them and reinstalled.  First drive was thru the neighb= orhood with no shudder.
Second drive was a ten mile trip on freeway... when exiting freeway I felt the shudder and it seemed worse than before I turned
the rotors...
 
I'm going to tear them back down next week to check everything but wondering if there is something else I need to check or be
concerned about.  I did try stopping with just the parking brake with no shudder so that eliminates the rear rotors causing the
problem.  Pads= look nearly new and fit in the caliper nicely... Caliper pistons are retract= ing as the should (pads are not bound to rotor when
removing wheels. Lines look ok from the outside. Caliper pins are smooth and well lubricated.=
 
any ideas/suggestio= ns/true life experiences/fantastic tales ???
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[67.162.109.130]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 8926c6da1cb9f-56a65653c1esm3152359173.30.2025.09.27.13.11.58 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 27 Sep 2025 13:11:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Karl Vacek CC: "Shop-talk@autox.team.net" Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2025 15:11:57 -0500 References: User-Agent: AquaMail/1.55.2 (build: 105502562) Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] brake shudder Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============7970969109472703832== This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --1998ccdbc121f5c2898478ad31 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I used to turn rotors. And I used to buy super premium brake pads. And I did lots of brake jobs. When I finally began only buying OES (old GM designation for Original Equipment Service) parts I stopped doing so many brake jobs. Two GMC's and a Ford - all with original-specification factory parts. All the "lifetime" warrantees and high praise from magazines for this miracle brake pad or that wonderful rotor can't touch the reliability and satisfaction of original parts. YMMV Karl On September 27, 2025 1:51:59 PM Pat Horne wrote: > Something just came to mind. The O.P. Stated that he measured a maximum > deviation of .002”. How was that measurement taken? It could have been the > measurement between one surface of the rotor to a part of the car that is > stationary, or the thickness of the rotor. Variation in the thickness of > the rotor will produce more variation in the pedal than a warped rotor. > > As for not turning rotors any more, a local, highly regarded shop says to > turn older rotors, especially OEM rather than replacing them with > aftermarket rotors because the steel quality of old rotors was better. > > Peace, Pat > > Pat Horne > We support Habitat for Humanity > > > On Sep 27, 2025, at 12:24 PM, eric@megageek.com wrote: > > John, > > A couple of things, > I didn't think you turn a modern rotor. There normally isn't enough 'meet' > to remove them and have them be stout enough. I think that is why > you had a problem with the turned rotors so quickly. > > My other question, > do you have speed bumps that you regularly have to go over? What > about pot holes? I always learned that braking while going over large > bumps or pot holes is a good way to warp a rotor. > > I'm just throwing > these out there. I have no other in sight. > > Have a great day. > > Moose > > > > From: > "john > niolon" > To: > "shop-talk" > > Date: > 09/27/2025 > 10:59 AM > Subject: > [Shop-talk] > brake shudder > Sent > by: "Shop-talk" > > > > > well I carry tools > in my suburban (shop content) > > Mt problem is a > 2008 suburban that has always had a brake shudder (warped rotor) problem > since I've had it... every year it seems it's > replace rotor time. > > This year I know > I had two never turned rotors. I put a dial indicator on rotors > and saw no more than .002 runout.. so I decided to just get > them turned just > to see what difference it would make. > > Took them to a reputable > shop that turned them and reinstalled. First drive was thru the neighborhood > with no shudder. > Second drive was > a ten mile trip on freeway... when exiting freeway I felt the shudder and > it seemed worse than before I turned > the rotors... > > I'm going to tear > them back down next week to check everything but wondering if there is > something else I need to check or be > concerned about. > I did try stopping with just the parking brake with no shudder so > that eliminates the rear rotors causing the > problem. Pads > look nearly new and fit in the caliper nicely... Caliper pistons are retracting > as the should (pads are not bound to rotor when > removing wheels. > Lines look ok from the outside. Caliper pins are smooth and well lubricated. > > any ideas/suggestions/true > life experiences/fantastic tales ??? > john_______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eric@megageek.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas@icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/stearman809@gmail.com --1998ccdbc121f5c2898478ad31 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I used to turn rotors.  And I used to buy super prem= ium brake pads.  And I did lots of brake jobs.
=
When I finally began only buying OES (old GM de= signation for Original Equipment Service) parts I stopped doing so many bra= ke jobs.  Two GMC's and a Ford - all with original-specification facto= ry parts.

All the "lifet= ime" warrantees and high praise from magazines for this miracle brake pad o= r that wonderful rotor can't touch the reliability and satisfaction of orig= inal parts.

YMMV

Karl

On September 27, 2025 1:51:59 PM Pat Horne <patintexas@icloud.c= om> wrote:

Something just came to mind. The O.P. Stated that he measured a maximum dev= iation of .002=E2=80=9D. How was that measurement taken? It could have been= the measurement between one surface of the rotor to a part of the car that= is stationary, or the thickness of the rotor. Variation in the thickness o= f the rotor will produce more variation in the pedal than a warped rotor.&n= bsp;

As for not turning rotors any more, a local, highly= regarded shop says to turn older rotors, especially OEM rather than replac= ing them with aftermarket rotors because the steel quality of old rotors wa= s better. 

Peace, Pat

Pat Horne 
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Sep 27, 2025, at 12:24=E2=80= =AFPM, eric@megageek.com wrote:

=EF=BB=BFJohn,

A couple of thin= gs, I didn't think you turn a modern rotor. There normally isn't enough 'meet' to remove them and have them be stout enough.  I think that is why you had a problem with the turned rotors so quickly.

My other questio= n, do you have speed bumps that you regularly have to go over?  What about pot holes?  I always learned that braking while going over large bumps or pot holes is a good way to warp a rotor.

I'm just throwin= g these out there.  I have no other in sight.

Have a great day.

Moose



Fro= m:        "john niolon" <jniolon@att.net>
To:        "shop-talk" <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Dat= e:        09/27/2025 10:59 AM
Sub= ject:        [Shop-talk] brake shudder
Sen= t by:        "Shop-talk" <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net>



well I carry tools in my suburban (shop content)
 
Mt problem is a 2008 suburban that has always had a brake shudder (warped rotor) problem since I've had it... every year it seems it's
replace rotor time= .
 
This year I know I had two  never turned rotors.  I put a dial indicator on rotors and saw no more than .002 runout.. so I decided to just get
them turned just to see what difference it would make.  
 
Took them to a rep= utable shop that turned them and reinstalled.  First drive was thru the neigh= borhood with no shudder.
Second drive was a ten mile trip on freeway... when exiting freeway I felt the shudder and it seemed worse than before I turned
the rotors...
 
I'm going to tear them back down next week to check everything but wondering if there is something else I need to check or be
concerned about.  I did try stopping with just the parking brake with no shudder so that eliminates the rear rotors causing the
problem.  Pad= s look nearly new and fit in the caliper nicely... Caliper pistons are retrac= ting as the should (pads are not bound to rotor when
removing wheels. Lines look ok from the outside. Caliper pins are smooth and well lubricated= .
 
any ideas/suggesti= ons/true life experiences/fantastic tales ???
john______________________________________________= _

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https://www.centricparts.com/media/technical_bulletins_docs/Centric_and_APC_Technical_Whitepaper_B1-Warped-Brake-Disc-8-2018_1.pdf


On 9/27/2025 7:43 AM, john niolon wrote:
well I carry tools in my suburban (shop content)
 
Mt problem is a 2008 suburban that has always had a brake shudder (warped rotor) problem since I've had it... every year it seems it's
replace rotor time.
 
This year I know I had two  never turned rotors.  I put a dial indicator on rotors and saw no more than .002 runout.. so I decided to just get
them turned just to see what difference it would make. 
 
Took them to a reputable shop that turned them and reinstalled.  First drive was thru the neighborhood with no shudder.
Second drive was a ten mile trip on freeway... when exiting freeway I felt the shudder and it seemed worse than before I turned
the rotors...
 
I'm going to tear them back down next week to check everything but wondering if there is something else I need to check or be
concerned about.  I did try stopping with just the parking brake with no shudder so that eliminates the rear rotors causing the
problem.  Pads look nearly new and fit in the caliper nicely... Caliper pistons are retracting as the should (pads are not bound to rotor when
removing wheels. Lines look ok from the outside. Caliper pins are smooth and well lubricated.
 
any ideas/suggestions/true life experiences/fantastic tales ???
john

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