Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Eye Lag bolt pilot hole in ceiling

From: Jack Brooks <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2025 20:50:00 +0000

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From: "Tim ." <[email-masked]>
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If you use the hook and pulley set up from horriblefreight, make sure that =
you add a back up to the hooks. They turned out to not be enough for (one o=
f) the bikes I used to hang above my Datsun. Fortunately, when one came dow=
n the Datto was not in the garage.
________________________________
From: Shop-talk <[email-masked]> on behalf of Jack Brooks=
 <[email-masked]>
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2025 3:50 PM
To: [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Eye Lag bolt pilot hole in ceiling

Brian,

That=92s a nice setup. I may grab a pair for our bicycles and see if I am c=
omfortable with their strength relative to the canoe or if I need to build =
my own similarly.  If I am comfortable lifting with this setup, I could hav=
e pre-installed cables to support the boat during storage.

Thanks!

Jack

From: Brian Kemp <[email-masked]>
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2025 10:00 AM
To: Jack Brooks <[email-masked]>; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Eye Lag bolt pilot hole in ceiling

Jack - To store my 50lb kayak at my previous house, I had a hoist setup alo=
ng the lines of the link below, but with separate ropes for the bow and ste=
rn off to the side.

https://www.harborfreight.com/bicycle-lift-95803.html

I'd drive the car in with the kayak on the roof, attached bow and stern hoo=
ks, then pull the kayak up to the rafters.  I then had a pair of straps to =
more safely hold the kayak.

Brian

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Jul 27, 2025 1:34 PM
Subject: [Shop-talk] Eye Lag bolt pilot hole in ceiling

Team,

I recently moved and can no longer keep my canoe outside.  The best place t=
o store this 75 +/- pound canoe is hanging from the ceiling, OVER a car, so=
 I want to be sure I get this right.  I have 4, 5/16=94 Eye Lag Bolts that =
are going into the ceiling.  One end of the rope will terminate at either a=
 set of cleats on the wall or more eyebolts and the other end suspending th=
e canoe via the Eye Lag Bolts.  It overdesigned, but it=92s hanging over a =
car I cherish.

My question is the pilot hole for the 5/16th Eye Lag bolt.  I am screwing t=
hem vertically up into the ceiling=92s new 2x4=92s, so I am thinking the pi=
lot hole should be a smidge on the tighter side and use soap or paraffin to=
 help reduce the friction of installing them.

I=92m looking for thoughts on the size of the pilot hole, keeping in mind t=
hat while the load is light, it=92s a vertical hanging arrangement.

Thanks in advance,

Jack

p.s. Moving has been a rearranging nightmare.  We had a home with three car=
 bays and a 6 foot high paved and dry crawlspace with tons of storage room.=
  I am forcing everything into a two bay garage with an attached single wid=
e, 42 foot deep bay that will hold our daily driver, two Triumph cars, a Sp=
rinter van and a workbench.  I do have some basement storage too.  I=92m us=
ing a lot more vertical storage and it=92s getting there=85=85=85

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 the lines of the link below, but with separate ropes for the bow and stern=
 off to the side.</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0.1rem 0"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,s=
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<p style=3D"margin:0.1rem 0"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,s=
ans-serif; color:black"><a href=3D"https://www.harborfreight.com/bicycle-li=
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<p style=3D"margin:0.1rem 0"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,s=
ans-serif; color:black">I'd drive the car in with the kayak on the roof, at=
tached bow and stern hooks, then pull the kayak up to the rafters.&nbsp; I =
then had a pair of straps to more safely hold the kayak.</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0.1rem 0"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,s=
ans-serif; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
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From: Jack Brooks &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
m</a>&gt;<br>
Sent: Jul 27, 2025 1:34 PM<br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a=
> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]<=
/a>&gt;<br>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"">I recently moved and can no longer keep=
 my canoe outside.&nbsp; The best place to store this 75 +/- pound canoe is=
 hanging from the ceiling, OVER a car, so I want to be sure I get this righ=
t.&nbsp; I have 4, 5/16=94 Eye Lag Bolts that are
 going into the ceiling.&nbsp; One end of the rope will terminate at either=
 a set of cleats on the wall or more eyebolts and the other end suspending =
the canoe via the Eye Lag Bolts.&nbsp; It overdesigned, but it=92s hanging =
over a car I cherish.&nbsp;</p>
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o a two bay garage with an attached single wide,
 42 foot deep bay that will hold our daily driver, two Triumph cars, a Spri=
nter van and a workbench.&nbsp; I do have some basement storage too.&nbsp; =
I=92m using a lot more vertical storage and it=92s getting there=85=85=85</=
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Agree on the HF hoist.  Load rating is too light for the canoe and the 
hooks look thin.  It was a representative example of some pulleys to 
raise the canoe before it was better secured with some sort of strap or 
other device.

Brian

On 7/28/2025 3:23 PM, Tim . wrote:
> If you use the hook and pulley set up from horriblefreight, make sure 
> that you add a back up to the hooks. They turned out to not be enough 
> for (one of) the bikes I used to hang above my Datsun. Fortunately, 
> when one came down the Datto was not in the garage.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Shop-talk <[email-masked]> on behalf of Jack 
> Brooks <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* Monday, July 28, 2025 3:50 PM
> *To:* [email-masked] <[email-masked]>
> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] Eye Lag bolt pilot hole in ceiling
>
> Brian,
>
> That’s a nice setup. I may grab a pair for our bicycles and see if I 
> am comfortable with their strength relative to the canoe or if I need 
> to build my own similarly.  If I am comfortable lifting with this 
> setup, I could have pre-installed cables to support the boat during 
> storage.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jack
>
> *From:*Brian Kemp <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* Monday, July 28, 2025 10:00 AM
> *To:* Jack Brooks <[email-masked]>; [email-masked]
> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] Eye Lag bolt pilot hole in ceiling
>
> Jack - To store my 50lb kayak at my previous house, I had a hoist 
> setup along the lines of the link below, but with separate ropes for 
> the bow and stern off to the side.
>
> I'd drive the car in with the kayak on the roof, attached bow and 
> stern hooks, then pull the kayak up to the rafters.  I then had a pair 
> of straps to more safely hold the kayak.
>
> Brian
>
> From: Jack Brooks <[email-masked]>
> I recently moved and can no longer keep my canoe outside.  The best 
> place to store this 75 +/- pound canoe is hanging from the ceiling, 
> OVER a car, so I want to be sure I get this right.  I have 4, 5/16” 
> Eye Lag Bolts that are going into the ceiling.  One end of the rope 
> will terminate at either a set of cleats on the wall or more eyebolts 
> and the other end suspending the canoe via the Eye Lag Bolts.  It 
> overdesigned, but it’s hanging over a car I cherish.
>
> My question is the pilot hole for the 5/16^th Eye Lag bolt.  I am 
> screwing them vertically up into the ceiling’s new 2x4’s, so I am 
> thinking the pilot hole should be a smidge on the tighter side and use 
> soap or paraffin to help reduce the friction of installing them.
>
> I’m looking for thoughts on the size of the pilot hole, keeping in 
> mind that while the load is light, it’s a vertical hanging arrangement.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Jack
>
> p.s. Moving has been a rearranging nightmare.  We had a home with 
> three car bays and a 6 foot high paved and dry crawlspace with tons of 
> storage room.  I am forcing everything into a two bay garage with an 
> attached single wide, 42 foot deep bay that will hold our daily 
> driver, two Triumph cars, a Sprinter van and a workbench.  I do have 
> some basement storage too.  I’m using a lot more vertical storage and 
> it’s getting there………
>
>
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    Agree on the HF hoist.  Load rating is too light for the canoe and
    the hooks look thin.  It was a representative example of some
    pulleys to raise the canoe before it was better secured with some
    sort of strap or other device.<br>
    <br>
    Brian<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/28/2025 3:23 PM, Tim . wrote:<br>
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        If you use the hook and pulley set up from horriblefreight, make
        sure that you add a back up to the hooks. They turned out to not
        be enough for (one of) the bikes I used to hang above my Datsun.
        Fortunately, when one came down the Datto was not in the
        garage. </div>
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          face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>From:</b>
          Shop-talk <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a> on behalf
          of Jack Brooks <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
          <b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 28, 2025 3:50 PM<br>
          <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>
          <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a><br>
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              style="font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Brian, 
            </span>
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              style="font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> </span></p>
          <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">That’s
              a nice setup. I may grab a pair for our bicycles and see
              if I am comfortable with their strength relative to the
              canoe or if I need to build my own similarly.  If I am
              comfortable lifting with this setup, I could have
              pre-installed cables to support the boat during storage.
            </span></p>
          <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> </span></p>
          <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Thanks!</span></p>
          <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> </span></p>
          <p class="x_MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Jack</span></p>
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              style="font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> </span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">
                Brian Kemp <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a>
                <br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 28, 2025 10:00 AM<br>
                <b>To:</b> Jack Brooks <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a>;
                <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] Eye Lag bolt pilot hole
                in ceiling</span></p>
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          <p class="x_MsoNormal"> </p>
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            <p><span
style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif; color:black">Jack - To
                store my 50lb kayak at my previous house, I had a hoist
                setup along the lines of the link below, but with
                separate ropes for the bow and stern off to the side.</span></p>
            <p style="margin:0.1rem 0"><span
style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif; color:black"> </span></p>
            <p style="margin:0.1rem 0"><span
style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif; color:black"><a
href="https://www.harborfreight.com/bicycle-lift-95803.html"
                  moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.harborfreight.com/bicycle-lift-95803.html</a></span></p>
            <p style="margin:0.1rem 0"><span
style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif; color:black"> </span></p>
            <p style="margin:0.1rem 0"><span
style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif; color:black"> </span></p>
            <p style="margin:0.1rem 0"><span
style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif; color:black">I'd drive
                the car in with the kayak on the roof, attached bow and
                stern hooks, then pull the kayak up to the rafters.  I
                then had a pair of straps to more safely hold the kayak.</span></p>
            <p style="margin:0.1rem 0"><span
style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif; color:black"> </span></p>
            <p style="margin:0.1rem 0"><span
style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif; color:black">Brian</span></p>
            <p style="margin:0.1rem 0"><span
style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif; color:black"> </span></p>
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            <p>-----Original Message-----<br>
              From: Jack Brooks &lt;<a href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
              Sent: Jul 27, 2025 1:34 PM<br>
              To: <a href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">[email-masked]</a>
              &lt;<a href="mailto:[email-masked]"
                moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br>
              Subject: [Shop-talk] Eye Lag bolt pilot hole in ceiling</p>
            <p style="margin:0.1rem 0"> </p>
            <div>
              <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="">Team,</p>
              <p class="x_MsoNormal" style=""> </p>
              <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="">I recently moved and can
                no longer keep my canoe outside.  The best place to
                store this 75 +/- pound canoe is hanging from the
                ceiling, OVER a car, so I want to be sure I get this
                right.  I have 4, 5/16” Eye Lag Bolts that are going
                into the ceiling.  One end of the rope will terminate at
                either a set of cleats on the wall or more eyebolts and
                the other end suspending the canoe via the Eye Lag
                Bolts.  It overdesigned, but it’s hanging over a car I
                cherish. </p>
              <p class="x_MsoNormal" style=""> </p>
              <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="">My question is the pilot
                hole for the 5/16<sup>th</sup> Eye Lag bolt.  I am
                screwing them vertically up into the ceiling’s new
                2x4’s, so I am thinking the pilot hole should be a
                smidge on the tighter side and use soap or paraffin to
                help reduce the friction of installing them. </p>
              <p class="x_MsoNormal" style=""> </p>
              <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="">I’m looking for thoughts
                on the size of the pilot hole, keeping in mind that
                while the load is light, it’s a vertical hanging
                arrangement.</p>
              <p class="x_MsoNormal" style=""> </p>
              <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="">Thanks in advance,</p>
              <p class="x_MsoNormal" style=""> </p>
              <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="">Jack</p>
              <p class="x_MsoNormal" style=""> </p>
              <p class="x_MsoNormal" style="">p.s. Moving has been a
                rearranging nightmare.  We had a home with three car
                bays and a 6 foot high paved and dry crawlspace with
                tons of storage room.  I am forcing everything into a
                two bay garage with an attached single wide, 42 foot
                deep bay that will hold our daily driver, two Triumph
                cars, a Sprinter van and a workbench.  I do have some
                basement storage too.  I’m using a lot more vertical
                storage and it’s getting there………</p>
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One more thing: the lines don't stay in the pulleys.

If I had to do it again, I'd build that system with better pulleys.

[email-masked]>

Brian,

Thanks!

Jack

Brian

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Jul 27, 2025 1:34 PM
Subject: [Shop-talk] Eye Lag bolt pilot hole in ceiling

Team,

Thanks in advance,

Jack

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If you use the hook and pulley set up from horriblefreight, make sure that =
you add a back up to the hooks. They turned out to not be enough for (one o=
f) the bikes I used to hang above my Datsun. Fortunately, when one came dow=
n the Datto was not in the garage.&nbsp;</div>
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11pt;"><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><b>From:</b>&nbsp;Shop-talk
</span><span style=3D"color: blue;"><u><a style=3D"color: blue;" class=3D"x=
_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E OWAAutoLink" id=3D"OWA5521a8e4-155f-f4bc-a951-3af165=
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[email-masked]&gt;</a></u></span><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">&=
nbsp;on
 behalf of Jack Brooks </span><span style=3D"color: blue;"><u><a style=3D"c=
olor: blue;" class=3D"x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E OWAAutoLink" id=3D"OWA0d0b98d=
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[email-masked]&gt;</a></u></span><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br>
<b>Sent:</b>&nbsp;Monday, July 28, 2025 3:50 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> </span><span style=3D"color: blue;"><u><a style=3D"color: blue;"=
 class=3D"x_moz-txt-link-abbreviated OWAAutoLink" id=3D"OWA6d7decac-d2ad-92=
dc-93fa-26e977e9a242" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">shop-talk@au=
tox.team.net</a></u></span><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
</span><span style=3D"color: blue;"><u><a style=3D"color: blue;" class=3D"x=
_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E OWAAutoLink" id=3D"OWAc71dfd24-fe70-783f-e05e-0db39e=
461849" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]=
et&gt;</a></u></span><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br>
<b>Subject:</b>&nbsp;Re: [Shop-talk] Eye Lag bolt pilot hole in ceiling</sp=
an></div>
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<p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">=
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Brian,&nbsp;</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">=
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">=
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">That=92s a nice setup. I =
may grab a pair for our bicycles and see if I am comfortable with their str=
ength relative to the canoe or if I need
 to build my own similarly.&nbsp; If I am comfortable lifting with this set=
up, I could have pre-installed cables to support the boat during storage.</=
span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">=
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">=
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Thanks!</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">=
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">=
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Jack</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">=
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">&nbsp;</span></p>
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);">
<p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">=
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"><b>From:=
</b>&nbsp;Brian Kemp
</span><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; co=
lor: blue;"><u><a style=3D"color: blue; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px=
;" class=3D"x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E OWAAutoLink" id=3D"OWA8922f93b-1402-bd7=
6-eeaf-032b364c1146" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;bk13@earthlink.=
net&gt;</a></u></span><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font=
-size: 11pt;"><br>
<b>Sent:</b>&nbsp;Monday, July 28, 2025 10:00 AM<br>
<b>To:</b>&nbsp;Jack Brooks </span><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, san=
s-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: blue;"><u><a style=3D"color: blue; margin-=
top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=3D"x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E OWAAutoLink=
" id=3D"OWA5729f183-a907-7e0e-c895-c7a519348c95" href=3D"mailto:jibrooks@li=
ve.com">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a></u></span><span style=3D"font-family:=
 Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">;
</span><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; co=
lor: blue;"><u><a style=3D"color: blue; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px=
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<b>Subject:</b>&nbsp;Re: [Shop-talk] Eye Lag bolt pilot hole in ceiling</sp=
an></p>
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<p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">=
&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y: Arial, sans-serif; color: black;">Jack - To store my 50lb kayak at my pr=
evious house, I had a hoist setup along the lines of the link below, but wi=
th separate ropes for the bow and stern
 off to the side.</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0.1rem 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-se=
rif; color: black;">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0.1rem 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-se=
rif; color: blue;"><u><a style=3D"color: blue; margin-top: 0px; margin-bott=
om: 0px;" data-auth=3D"NotApplicable" class=3D"x_moz-txt-link-freetext OWAA=
utoLink" id=3D"OWA1701091b-be91-3917-611a-78774c16205c" href=3D"https://www=
.harborfreight.com/bicycle-lift-95803.html">https://www.harborfreight.com/b=
icycle-lift-95803.html</a></u></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0.1rem 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-se=
rif; color: black;">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0.1rem 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-se=
rif; color: black;">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0.1rem 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-se=
rif; color: black;">I'd drive the car in with the kayak on the roof, attach=
ed bow and stern hooks, then pull the kayak up to the rafters.&nbsp; I then=
 had a pair of straps to more safely hold
 the kayak.</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0.1rem 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-se=
rif; color: black;">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0.1rem 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-se=
rif; color: black;">Brian</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0.1rem 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: Arial, sans-se=
rif; color: black;">&nbsp;</span></p>
<div style=3D"padding: 0in 0in 0in 11pt; border-left: 1pt solid rgb(170, 17=
0, 170);">
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">-----Original Message----=
-<br>
From: Jack Brooks &lt;<span style=3D"color: blue;"><u><a style=3D"color: bl=
ue; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=3D"x_moz-txt-link-freetext =
OWAAutoLink" id=3D"OWA72ec19eb-54fa-46ee-0a0a-527a0c2dbcab" href=3D"mailto:=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a></u></span>&gt;<br>
Sent: Jul 27, 2025 1:34 PM<br>
To: <span style=3D"color: blue;"><u><a style=3D"color: blue; margin-top: 0p=
x; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=3D"x_moz-txt-link-freetext OWAAutoLink" id=3D=
"OWA1e9fc2e0-a79b-0bae-d70e-6a8d7b77bb9c" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
am.net">[email-masked]</a></u></span>&nbsp;&lt;<span style=3D"col=
or: blue;"><u><a style=3D"color: blue; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;=
" class=3D"x_moz-txt-link-freetext OWAAutoLink" id=3D"OWAbf742ddb-3b53-47e5=
-5928-d42d3e0941e0" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">Shop-talk@auto=
x.team.net</a></u></span>&gt;<br>
Subject: [Shop-talk] Eye Lag bolt pilot hole in ceiling</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0.1rem 0px;">&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">=
Team,</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">=
&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">=
I recently moved and can no longer keep my canoe outside.&nbsp; The best pl=
ace to store this 75 +/- pound canoe is hanging from the ceiling, OVER a ca=
r, so I want to be sure I get this right.&nbsp;
 I have 4, 5/16=94 Eye Lag Bolts that are going into the ceiling.&nbsp; One=
 end of the rope will terminate at either a set of cleats on the wall or mo=
re eyebolts and the other end suspending the canoe via the Eye Lag Bolts.&n=
bsp; It overdesigned, but it=92s hanging over
 a car I cherish.&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">=
&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">=
My question is the pilot hole for the 5/16<sup>th</sup>&nbsp;Eye Lag bolt.&=
nbsp; I am screwing them vertically up into the ceiling=92s new 2x4=92s, so=
 I am thinking the pilot hole should be a smidge
 on the tighter side and use soap or paraffin to help reduce the friction o=
f installing them.&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">=
&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">=
I=92m looking for thoughts on the size of the pilot hole, keeping in mind t=
hat while the load is light, it=92s a vertical hanging arrangement.</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">=
&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">=
Thanks in advance,</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">=
&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">=
Jack</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">=
&nbsp;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0in; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">=
p.s. Moving has been a rearranging nightmare.&nbsp; We had a home with thre=
e car bays and a 6 foot high paved and dry crawlspace with tons of storage =
room.&nbsp; I am forcing everything into a two
 bay garage with an attached single wide, 42 foot deep bay that will hold o=
ur daily driver, two Triumph cars, a Sprinter van and a workbench.&nbsp; I =
do have some basement storage too.&nbsp; I=92m using a lot more vertical st=
orage and it=92s getting there=85=85=85</p>
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Tim,

Good to know.

Thank you,

Jack

From: Tim . <[email-masked]>
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2025 4:24 PM
To: Jack Brooks <[email-masked]>; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Eye Lag bolt pilot hole in ceiling

[email-masked]>>

Brian,

That's a nice setup. I may grab a pair for our bicycles and see if I am com=
fortable with their strength relative to the canoe or if I need to build my=
 own similarly.  If I am comfortable lifting with this setup, I could have =
pre-installed cables to support the boat during storage.

Thanks!

Jack

Brian

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Jul 27, 2025 1:34 PM
Subject: [Shop-talk] Eye Lag bolt pilot hole in ceiling

Team,

I recently moved and can no longer keep my canoe outside.  The best place t=
o store this 75 +/- pound canoe is hanging from the ceiling, OVER a car, so=
 I want to be sure I get this right.  I have 4, 5/16" Eye Lag Bolts that ar=
e going into the ceiling.  One end of the rope will terminate at either a s=
et of cleats on the wall or more eyebolts and the other end suspending the =
canoe via the Eye Lag Bolts.  It overdesigned, but it's hanging over a car =
I cherish.

My question is the pilot hole for the 5/16th Eye Lag bolt.  I am screwing t=
hem vertically up into the ceiling's new 2x4's, so I am thinking the pilot =
hole should be a smidge on the tighter side and use soap or paraffin to hel=
p reduce the friction of installing them.

I'm looking for thoughts on the size of the pilot hole, keeping in mind tha=
t while the load is light, it's a vertical hanging arrangement.

Thanks in advance,

Jack

p.s. Moving has been a rearranging nightmare.  We had a home with three car=
 bays and a 6 foot high paved and dry crawlspace with tons of storage room.=
  I am forcing everything into a two bay garage with an attached single wid=
e, 42 foot deep bay that will hold our daily driver, two Triumph cars, a Sp=
rinter van and a workbench.  I do have some basement storage too.  I'm usin=
g a lot more vertical storage and it's getting there.........

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif">Tim,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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t;,serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif">Good to know.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif">Thank you,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif">Jack<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;=
font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> Tim . &lt;tims_datsun_stuff@ou=
tlook.com&gt;
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 28, 2025 4:24 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jack Brooks &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; [email-masked]<=
br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] Eye Lag bolt pilot hole in ceiling<o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:black">If you use the hook and pulley set up from horriblefreig=
ht, make sure that you add a back up to the hooks. They turned out to not b=
e enough for (one of) the bikes I used to hang
 above my Datsun. Fortunately, when one came down the Datto was not in the =
garage.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-=
size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"> Shop-t=
alk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">shop-talk-bounc=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;
 on behalf of Jack Brooks &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">JIBrooks=
@live.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 28, 2025 3:50 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
.net</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
am.net</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] Eye Lag bolt pilot hole in ceiling</span> <=
o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans=
-serif">Brian,&nbsp; </span>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans=
-serif">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans=
-serif">That&#8217;s a nice setup. I may grab a pair for our bicycles and s=
ee if I am comfortable with their strength relative to the canoe or if I ne=
ed to build my own similarly.&nbsp; If I am comfortable lifting
 with this setup, I could have pre-installed cables to support the boat dur=
ing storage.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans=
-serif">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans=
-serif">Thanks!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans=
-serif">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans=
-serif">Jack</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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-serif">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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t;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> Brian Kemp &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 28, 2025 10:00 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jack Brooks &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">jibrooks@li=
ve.com</a>&gt;;
<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a><br=
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] Eye Lag bolt pilot hole in ceiling</span><o=
:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Jac=
k - To store my 50lb kayak at my previous house, I had a hoist setup along =
the lines of the link below, but with separate ropes for the bow and stern =
off to the side.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0.1rem 0"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,s=
ans-serif;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0.1rem 0"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,s=
ans-serif;color:black"><a href=3D"https://www.harborfreight.com/bicycle-lif=
t-95803.html">https://www.harborfreight.com/bicycle-lift-95803.html</a></sp=
an><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0.1rem 0"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,s=
ans-serif;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0.1rem 0"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,s=
ans-serif;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0.1rem 0"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,s=
ans-serif;color:black">I'd drive the car in with the kayak on the roof, att=
ached bow and stern hooks, then pull the kayak up to the rafters.&nbsp; I t=
hen had a pair of straps to more safely hold the kayak.</span><o:p></o:p></=
p>
<p style=3D"margin:0.1rem 0"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,s=
ans-serif;color:black">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0.1rem 0"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,s=
ans-serif;color:black">Brian</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Jack Brooks &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
m</a>&gt;<br>
Sent: Jul 27, 2025 1:34 PM<br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a=
> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]<=
/a>&gt;<br>
Subject: [Shop-talk] Eye Lag bolt pilot hole in ceiling<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style=3D"margin:0.1rem 0">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"xmsonormal">Team,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">I recently moved and can no longer keep my canoe ou=
tside.&nbsp; The best place to store this 75 +/- pound canoe is hanging fro=
m the ceiling, OVER a car, so I want to be sure I get this right.&nbsp; I h=
ave 4, 5/16&#8221; Eye Lag Bolts that are going into
 the ceiling.&nbsp; One end of the rope will terminate at either a set of c=
leats on the wall or more eyebolts and the other end suspending the canoe v=
ia the Eye Lag Bolts.&nbsp; It overdesigned, but it&#8217;s hanging over a =
car I cherish.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">My question is the pilot hole for the 5/16<sup>th</=
sup> Eye Lag bolt.&nbsp; I am screwing them vertically up into the ceiling&=
#8217;s new 2x4&#8217;s, so I am thinking the pilot hole should be a smidge=
 on the tighter side and use soap or paraffin to help
 reduce the friction of installing them.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">I&#8217;m looking for thoughts on the size of the p=
ilot hole, keeping in mind that while the load is light, it&#8217;s a verti=
cal hanging arrangement.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">Thanks in advance,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">Jack<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">p.s. Moving has been a rearranging nightmare.&nbsp;=
 We had a home with three car bays and a 6 foot high paved and dry crawlspa=
ce with tons of storage room.&nbsp; I am forcing everything into a two bay =
garage with an attached single wide, 42 foot
 deep bay that will hold our daily driver, two Triumph cars, a Sprinter van=
 and a workbench.&nbsp; I do have some basement storage too.&nbsp; I&#8217;=
m using a lot more vertical storage and it&#8217;s getting there&#8230;&#82=
30;&#8230;<o:p></o:p></p>
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