Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Eye Lag bolt pilot hole in ceiling

From: Eric Russell <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2025 16:44:07 -0400

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On Sun, Jul 27, 2025 at 4:28=E2=80=AFPM Jack Brooks <[email-masked]> wro=
te:

> Team,
>
>
>
> I recently moved and can no longer keep my canoe outside.  The best place
> to store this 75 +/- pound canoe is hanging from the ceiling, OVER a car,
> so I want to be sure I get this right.  I have 4, 5/16=E2=80=9D Eye Lag B=
olts that
> are going into the ceiling.  One end of the rope will terminate at either=
 a
> set of cleats on the wall or more eyebolts and the other end suspending t=
he
> canoe via the Eye Lag Bolts.  It overdesigned, but it=E2=80=99s hanging o=
ver a car
> I cherish.
>
>
>
> My question is the pilot hole for the 5/16th Eye Lag bolt.  I am screwing
> them vertically up into the ceiling=E2=80=99s new 2x4=E2=80=99s, so I am =
thinking the pilot
> hole should be a smidge on the tighter side and use soap or paraffin to
> help reduce the friction of installing them.
>
>
>
> I=E2=80=99m looking for thoughts on the size of the pilot hole, keeping i=
n mind
> that while the load is light, it=E2=80=99s a vertical hanging arrangement=
.
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>
>
> Jack
>
>
>
> p.s. Moving has been a rearranging nightmare.  We had a home with three
> car bays and a 6 foot high paved and dry crawlspace with tons of storage
> room.  I am forcing everything into a two bay garage with an attached
> single wide, 42 foot deep bay that will hold our daily driver, two Triump=
h
> cars, a Sprinter van and a workbench.  I do have some basement storage
> too.  I=E2=80=99m using a lot more vertical storage and it=E2=80=99s gett=
ing there=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6
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=A0</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div di=
r=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Jul 27, 2025 at 4:28=E2=80=AFPM Jack=
 Brooks &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Team,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I recently moved and can no longer keep my canoe out=
side.=C2=A0 The best place to store this 75 +/- pound canoe is hanging from=
 the ceiling, OVER a car, so I want to be sure I get this right.=C2=A0 I ha=
ve 4, 5/16=E2=80=9D Eye Lag Bolts that are going into
 the ceiling.=C2=A0 One end of the rope will terminate at either a set of c=
leats on the wall or more eyebolts and the other end suspending the canoe v=
ia the Eye Lag Bolts.=C2=A0 It overdesigned, but it=E2=80=99s hanging over =
a car I cherish.=C2=A0
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">My question is the pilot hole for the 5/16<sup>th</s=
up> Eye Lag bolt.=C2=A0 I am screwing them vertically up into the ceiling=
=E2=80=99s new 2x4=E2=80=99s, so I am thinking the pilot hole should be a s=
midge on the tighter side and use soap or paraffin to help
 reduce the friction of installing them.=C2=A0 <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I=E2=80=99m looking for thoughts on the size of the =
pilot hole, keeping in mind that while the load is light, it=E2=80=99s a ve=
rtical hanging arrangement.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks in advance,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jack<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">p.s. Moving has been a rearranging nightmare.=C2=A0 =
We had a home with three car bays and a 6 foot high paved and dry crawlspac=
e with tons of storage room.=C2=A0 I am forcing everything into a two bay g=
arage with an attached single wide, 42 foot
 deep bay that will hold our daily driver, two Triumph cars, a Sprinter van=
 and a workbench.=C2=A0 I do have some basement storage too.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=
=99m using a lot more vertical storage and it=E2=80=99s getting there=E2=80=
=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6<u></u><u></u></p>
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From: Jim Franklin <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2025 18:36:32 -0400

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I have always drilled the holes for big threads just like this to be as =
close to the shank diameter as possible without going over. Too small =
and you risk splitting the wood and losing a ton of grip. All 200#s of =
me has been able to hang from each one as long as I can hold myself up =
there and it has laughed at me. Two would be fine. You are roughly =
10,000 times more likely to drop it during removal/stowage. Have a =
backup plan (bungees? net?) for when it happens then.

jim

> On Jul 27, 2025, at 4:26 PM, Jack Brooks <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> Team,
> =20
> I recently moved and can no longer keep my canoe outside.  The best =
place to store this 75 +/- pound canoe is hanging from the ceiling, OVER =
a car, so I want to be sure I get this right.  I have 4, 5/16=E2=80=9D =
Eye Lag Bolts that are going into the ceiling.  One end of the rope will =
terminate at either a set of cleats on the wall or more eyebolts and the =
other end suspending the canoe via the Eye Lag Bolts.  It overdesigned, =
but it=E2=80=99s hanging over a car I cherish.=20
> =20
> My question is the pilot hole for the 5/16th Eye Lag bolt.  I am =
screwing them vertically up into the ceiling=E2=80=99s new 2x4=E2=80=99s, =
so I am thinking the pilot hole should be a smidge on the tighter side =
and use soap or paraffin to help reduce the friction of installing them. =
=20
> =20
> I=E2=80=99m looking for thoughts on the size of the pilot hole, =
keeping in mind that while the load is light, it=E2=80=99s a vertical =
hanging arrangement.
> =20
> Thanks in advance,
> =20
> Jack
> =20
> p.s. Moving has been a rearranging nightmare.  We had a home with =
three car bays and a 6 foot high paved and dry crawlspace with tons of =
storage room.  I am forcing everything into a two bay garage with an =
attached single wide, 42 foot deep bay that will hold our daily driver, =
two Triumph cars, a Sprinter van and a workbench.  I do have some =
basement storage too.  I=E2=80=99m using a lot more vertical storage and =
it=E2=80=99s getting there=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6
>=20
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charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">I have always =
drilled the holes for big threads just like this to be as close to the =
shank diameter as possible without going over. Too small and you risk =
splitting the wood and losing a ton of grip. All 200#s of me has been =
able to hang from each one as long as I can hold myself up there and it =
has laughed at me. Two would be fine. You are roughly 10,000 times more =
likely to drop it during removal/stowage. Have a backup plan (bungees? =
net?) for when it happens =
then.<div><br></div><div>jim<br><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On=
 Jul 27, 2025, at 4:26 PM, Jack Brooks &lt;[email-masked]&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div><meta =
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word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;"><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;">Team,<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;">I recently moved and can no longer keep my canoe =
outside.&nbsp; The best place to store this 75 +/- pound canoe is =
hanging from the ceiling, OVER a car, so I want to be sure I get this =
right.&nbsp; I have 4, 5/16=E2=80=9D Eye Lag Bolts that are going into =
the ceiling.&nbsp; One end of the rope will terminate at either a set of =
cleats on the wall or more eyebolts and the other end suspending the =
canoe via the Eye Lag Bolts.&nbsp; It overdesigned, but it=E2=80=99s =
hanging over a car I cherish.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">My question is the =
pilot hole for the 5/16<sup>th</sup><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Eye Lag bolt.&nbsp; I am =
screwing them vertically up into the ceiling=E2=80=99s new 2x4=E2=80=99s, =
so I am thinking the pilot hole should be a smidge on the tighter side =
and use soap or paraffin to help reduce the friction of installing =
them.&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">I=E2=80=99m looking =
for thoughts on the size of the pilot hole, keeping in mind that while =
the load is light, it=E2=80=99s a vertical hanging =
arrangement.<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;">Thanks in advance,<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;">Jack<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: =
12pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></div><div =
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sans-serif;">p.s. Moving has been a rearranging nightmare.&nbsp; We had =
a home with three car bays and a 6 foot high paved and dry crawlspace =
with tons of storage room.&nbsp; I am forcing everything into a two bay =
garage with an attached single wide, 42 foot deep bay that will hold our =
daily driver, two Triumph cars, a Sprinter van and a workbench.&nbsp; I =
do have some basement storage too.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99m using a lot more =
vertical storage and it=E2=80=99s getting =
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From: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2025 11:13:48 +0000 (UTC)

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It looks like your biggest threat is mice chewing through the ropes.=C2=A0 =
When that happens you can change to braided steel cables.
Dave=20

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    On Sunday, July 27, 2025 at 10:49:21 PM CDT, Jack Brooks <jibrooks@live=
.com> wrote:  =20

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Thank for the =E2=80=9CReal Life=E2=80=9D answer Jim.=C2=A0 That reassuranc=
e was kind-of what I was looking for.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m using four Eye Lag =
Bolts to pick up the four =E2=80=9Ccorners=E2=80=9D of the canoe, not for t=
he weight capacity. Each of these Lag Bolts has a pretty aggressive thread.=
 =C2=A0I can lose one rope and not suffer any consequences, or one front an=
d one back.=C2=A0 Kind of like lashing the canoe to the roof of the car.=C2=
=A0 I tie four ropes there also, so I can lose any two and not have a catas=
trophe.=C2=A0 That being said, I=E2=80=99ve never had a rope come off.=C2=
=A0 Occasionally one loosens, but nothing worse. =C2=A0=C2=A0
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 =C2=A0
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With regard to removal/stowage, the car will not be under the canoe during =
those adventures!!! No bungees or nets, as there will be four separate rope=
s securing from and individual thwart through Eye Bolt to a tie off.=C2=A0 =
Two ropes on each end of the canoe, one on each side of the boat and each s=
ecured separately.=C2=A0 I can lower one end at a time pretty easily.
=20
 =C2=A0
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Thanks again for the guidance and reassurance on installing the Eye Lug Bol=
ts!!!
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=20
Jack
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From: Jim Franklin <[email-masked]>
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2025 4:37 PM
To: Jack Brooks <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Eye Lag bolt pilot hole in ceiling
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 =C2=A0
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I have always drilled the holes for big threads just like this to be as clo=
se to the shank diameter as possible without going over. Too small and you =
risk splitting the wood and losing a ton of grip. All 200#s of me has been =
able to hang from each one as long as I can hold myself up there and it has=
 laughed at me. Two would be fine. You are roughly 10,000 times more likely=
 to drop it during removal/stowage. Have a backup plan (bungees? net?) for =
when it happens then.
=20
 =C2=A0
=20
jim
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On Jul 27, 2025, at 4:26 PM, Jack Brooks <[email-masked]> wrote:
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Team,
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=C2=A0
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I recently moved and can no longer keep my canoe outside.=C2=A0 The best pl=
ace to store this 75 +/- pound canoe is hanging from the ceiling, OVER a ca=
r, so I want to be sure I get this right.=C2=A0 I have 4, 5/16=E2=80=9D Eye=
 Lag Bolts that are going into the ceiling.=C2=A0 One end of the rope will =
terminate at either a set of cleats on the wall or more eyebolts and the ot=
her end suspending the canoe via the Eye Lag Bolts.=C2=A0 It overdesigned, =
but it=E2=80=99s hanging over a car I cherish.=C2=A0
=20
=C2=A0
=20
My question is the pilot hole for the 5/16th=C2=A0Eye Lag bolt.=C2=A0 I am =
screwing them vertically up into the ceiling=E2=80=99s new 2x4=E2=80=99s, s=
o I am thinking the pilot hole should be a smidge on the tighter side and u=
se soap or paraffin to help reduce the friction of installing them.=C2=A0=
=C2=A0
=20
=C2=A0
=20
I=E2=80=99m looking for thoughts on the size of the pilot hole, keeping in =
mind that while the load is light, it=E2=80=99s a vertical hanging arrangem=
ent.
=20
=C2=A0
=20
Thanks in advance,
=20
=C2=A0
=20
Jack
=20
=C2=A0
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p.s. Moving has been a rearranging nightmare.=C2=A0 We had a home with thre=
e car bays and a 6 foot high paved and dry crawlspace with tons of storage =
room.=C2=A0 I am forcing everything into a two bay garage with an attached =
single wide, 42 foot deep bay that will hold our daily driver, two Triumph =
cars, a Sprinter van and a workbench.=C2=A0 I do have some basement storage=
 too.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m using a lot more vertical storage and it=E2=80=99s =
getting there=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6
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<html><head></head><body><div class=3D"ydp9ca7c0f9yahoo-style-wrap" style=
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=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">It looks like your biggest threat is mice ch=
ewing through the ropes.&nbsp; When that happens you can change to braided =
steel cables.</div><div><br></div><div class=3D"ydp9ca7c0f9signature"><div =
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                        On Sunday, July 27, 2025 at 10:49:21 PM CDT, Jack B=
rooks &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
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<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:s=
ans-serif;">Thank for the =E2=80=9CReal Life=E2=80=9D answer Jim.&nbsp; Tha=
t reassurance was kind-of what I was looking for.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99m using f=
our Eye Lag Bolts to pick up the four =E2=80=9Ccorners=E2=80=9D of the cano=
e, not for the weight capacity.
 Each of these Lag Bolts has a pretty aggressive thread. &nbsp;I can lose o=
ne rope and not suffer any consequences, or one front and one back.&nbsp; K=
ind of like lashing the canoe to the roof of the car.&nbsp; I tie four rope=
s there also, so I can lose any two and not have
 a catastrophe.&nbsp; That being said, I=E2=80=99ve never had a rope come o=
ff.&nbsp; Occasionally one loosens, but nothing worse. &nbsp;&nbsp;</span><=
/p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:s=
ans-serif;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:s=
ans-serif;">With regard to removal/stowage, the car will not be under the c=
anoe during those adventures!!! No bungees or nets, as there will be four s=
eparate ropes securing from and individual thwart through
 Eye Bolt to a tie off.&nbsp; Two ropes on each end of the canoe, one on ea=
ch side of the boat and each secured separately.&nbsp; I can lower one end =
at a time pretty easily.
</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:s=
ans-serif;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:s=
ans-serif;">Thanks again for the guidance and reassurance on installing the=
 Eye Lug Bolts!!!</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:s=
ans-serif;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:s=
ans-serif;">Jack</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:s=
ans-serif;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
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11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11=
.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"> Jim Franklin &lt;[email-masked]&gt;
<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, July 27, 2025 4:37 PM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> Jack Brooks &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Cc:</b> [email-masked]<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] Eye Lag bolt pilot hole in ceiling</span></=
p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>=20
<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401MsoNormal">I have always drilled the ho=
les for big threads just like this to be as close to the shank diameter as =
possible without going over. Too small and you risk splitting the wood and =
losing a ton of grip. All 200#s of me has been able to hang
 from each one as long as I can hold myself up there and it has laughed at =
me. Two would be fine. You are roughly 10,000 times more likely to drop it =
during removal/stowage. Have a backup plan (bungees? net?) for when it happ=
ens then.</p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401MsoNormal">On Jul 27, 2025, at 4:26 PM,=
 Jack Brooks &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=3D=
"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:</p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:s=
ans-serif;">Team,</span></p>=20
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ans-serif;">&nbsp;</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:s=
ans-serif;">I recently moved and can no longer keep my canoe outside.&nbsp;=
 The best place to store this 75 +/- pound canoe is hanging from the ceilin=
g, OVER a car, so I want to be sure I get this right.&nbsp; I
 have 4, 5/16=E2=80=9D Eye Lag Bolts that are going into the ceiling.&nbsp;=
 One end of the rope will terminate at either a set of cleats on the wall o=
r more eyebolts and the other end suspending the canoe via the Eye Lag Bolt=
s.&nbsp; It overdesigned, but it=E2=80=99s hanging over a
 car I cherish.&nbsp;</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:s=
ans-serif;">&nbsp;</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:s=
ans-serif;">My question is the pilot hole for the 5/16<sup>th</sup><span cl=
ass=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Eye Lag =
bolt.&nbsp; I am screwing them vertically up into the ceiling=E2=80=99s new=
 2x4=E2=80=99s, so I am thinking
 the pilot hole should be a smidge on the tighter side and use soap or para=
ffin to help reduce the friction of installing them.&nbsp;<span class=3D"yd=
p572c6cfayiv2915023401apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span></p>=20
</div>
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<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:s=
ans-serif;">&nbsp;</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:s=
ans-serif;">I=E2=80=99m looking for thoughts on the size of the pilot hole,=
 keeping in mind that while the load is light, it=E2=80=99s a vertical hang=
ing arrangement.</span></p>=20
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:s=
ans-serif;">&nbsp;</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:s=
ans-serif;">Thanks in advance,</span></p>=20
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ans-serif;">p.s. Moving has been a rearranging nightmare.&nbsp; We had a ho=
me with three car bays and a 6 foot high paved and dry crawlspace with tons=
 of storage room.&nbsp; I am forcing everything into a two bay
 garage with an attached single wide, 42 foot deep bay that will hold our d=
aily driver, two Triumph cars, a Sprinter van and a workbench.&nbsp; I do h=
ave some basement storage too.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99m using a lot more vertical =
storage and it=E2=80=99s getting there=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6</span></p=
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s to the ceiling but I had large hooks screwed into framing to hang the whee=
ls from once up there. You might be able to create some D-rings or snap hook=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-s=
erif">Dave,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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erif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-s=
erif">I=E2=80=99ve considered installing steel cables and only using the rop=
es to haul the canoe up to them, but I=E2=80=99ve not yet seen a rodent near=
 the new home, so for now I=E2=80=99m running with just ropes.&nbsp; The
 canoe will be stored upside down, so that if something does manage to drop i=
nto the canoe, which is a synthetic material (Royalex), they won=E2=80=99t b=
e trapped and need to chew their way through it.&nbsp;
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erif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-s=
erif">Thanks assuming you just didn=E2=80=99t forget to include a smiley fac=
e!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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erif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-s=
erif">Jack<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;=
Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> DAVID MASSEY &lt;[email-masked]=
om&gt;
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 28, 2025 5:14 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jim Franklin &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Jack Brooks &lt;jibr=
[email-masked]&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> [email-masked]<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] Eye Lag bolt pilot hole in ceiling<o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
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if">It looks like your biggest threat is mice chewing through the ropes.&nbs=
p; When that happens you can change to braided steel cables.<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p>
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vetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">On Sunday, July 27, 2025 at 10:49:21 P=
M CDT, Jack Brooks &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
m</a>&gt; wrote:
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<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">Thank for the =E2=
=80=9CReal Life=E2=80=9D answer Jim.&nbsp; That reassurance was kind-of what=
 I was looking for.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99m using four Eye Lag Bolts to pick up th=
e
 four =E2=80=9Ccorners=E2=80=9D of the canoe, not for the weight capacity. E=
ach of these Lag Bolts has a pretty aggressive thread. &nbsp;I can lose one r=
ope and not suffer any consequences, or one front and one back.&nbsp; Kind o=
f like lashing the canoe to the roof of the car.&nbsp; I tie
 four ropes there also, so I can lose any two and not have a catastrophe.&nb=
sp; That being said, I=E2=80=99ve never had a rope come off.&nbsp; Occasiona=
lly one loosens, but nothing worse. &nbsp;&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">&nbsp;</span><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;col=
or:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">With regard to re=
moval/stowage, the car will not be under the canoe during those adventures!!=
! No bungees or nets, as there will be four
 separate ropes securing from and individual thwart through Eye Bolt to a ti=
e off.&nbsp; Two ropes on each end of the canoe, one on each side of the boa=
t and each secured separately.&nbsp; I can lower one end at a time pretty ea=
sily.
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s-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">&nbsp;</span><spa=
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or:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">Thanks again for t=
he guidance and reassurance on installing the Eye Lug Bolts!!!</span><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:=
#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">&nbsp;</span><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;col=
or:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">Jack</span><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:=
#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">&nbsp;</span><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;col=
or:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:1=
1.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">From:</span></=
b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;c=
olor:#26282A"> Jim Franklin &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">ja=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, July 27, 2025 4:37 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jack Brooks &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">jibrooks@liv=
e.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked].=
net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] Eye Lag bolt pilot hole in ceiling</span><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;co=
lor:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">&nbsp;<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">I have always=
 drilled the holes for big threads just like this to be as close to the shan=
k diameter as possible without going over.
 Too small and you risk splitting the wood and losing a ton of grip. All 200=
#s of me has been able to hang from each one as long as I can hold myself up=
 there and it has laughed at me. Two would be fine. You are roughly 10,000 t=
imes more likely to drop it during
 removal/stowage. Have a backup plan (bungees? net?) for when it happens the=
n.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">On Jul 27, 20=
25, at 4:26 PM, Jack Brooks &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D=
"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">Team,</span><span=
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r:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">&nbsp;</span><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;col=
or:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">I recently moved a=
nd can no longer keep my canoe outside.&nbsp; The best place to store this 7=
5 +/- pound canoe is hanging from the ceiling,
 OVER a car, so I want to be sure I get this right.&nbsp; I have 4, 5/16=E2=80=
=9D Eye Lag Bolts that are going into the ceiling.&nbsp; One end of the rope=
 will terminate at either a set of cleats on the wall or more eyebolts and t=
he other end suspending the canoe via the Eye
 Lag Bolts.&nbsp; It overdesigned, but it=E2=80=99s hanging over a car I che=
rish.&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetic=
a&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;col=
or:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">My question is th=
e pilot hole for the 5/16<sup>th</sup><span class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv291502340=
1apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Eye Lag bolt.&nbsp;
 I am screwing them vertically up into the ceiling=E2=80=99s new 2x4=E2=80=99=
s, so I am thinking the pilot hole should be a smidge on the tighter side an=
d use soap or paraffin to help reduce the friction of installing them.&nbsp;=
<span class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><=
/span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans=
-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">&nbsp;</span><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;col=
or:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">I=E2=80=99m looki=
ng for thoughts on the size of the pilot hole, keeping in mind that while th=
e load is light, it=E2=80=99s a vertical hanging arrangement.</span><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:#=
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pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">Thanks in advance=
,</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sa=
ns-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">Jack</span><span s=
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een a rearranging nightmare.&nbsp; We had a home with three car bays and a 6=
 foot high paved and dry crawlspace with tons of
 storage room.&nbsp; I am forcing everything into a two bay garage with an a=
ttached single wide, 42 foot deep bay that will hold our daily driver, two T=
riumph cars, a Sprinter van and a workbench.&nbsp; I do have some basement s=
torage too.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99m using a lot more vertical
 storage and it=E2=80=99s getting there=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6</span><sp=
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From: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
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    On Monday, July 28, 2025 at 03:56:16 PM CDT, Jack Brooks <jibrooks@live=
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Dave,
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I=E2=80=99ve considered installing steel cables and only using the ropes to=
 haul the canoe up to them, but I=E2=80=99ve not yet seen a rodent near the=
 new home, so for now I=E2=80=99m running with just ropes.=C2=A0 The canoe =
will be stored upside down, so that if something does manage to drop into t=
he canoe, which is a synthetic material (Royalex), they won=E2=80=99t be tr=
apped and need to chew their way through it.=C2=A0
=20
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Thanks assuming you just didn=E2=80=99t forget to include a smiley face!
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=20
Jack
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From: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2025 5:14 AM
To: Jim Franklin <[email-masked]>; Jack Brooks <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Eye Lag bolt pilot hole in ceiling
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It looks like your biggest threat is mice chewing through the ropes.=C2=A0 =
When that happens you can change to braided steel cables.
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                        On Monday, July 28, 2025 at 03:56:16 PM CDT, Jack B=
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<p class=3D"ydpf6c96b89yiv7014841939MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:s=
ans-serif;">Dave,</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpf6c96b89yiv7014841939MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:s=
ans-serif;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpf6c96b89yiv7014841939MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:s=
ans-serif;">I=E2=80=99ve considered installing steel cables and only using =
the ropes to haul the canoe up to them, but I=E2=80=99ve not yet seen a rod=
ent near the new home, so for now I=E2=80=99m running with just ropes.&nbsp=
; The
 canoe will be stored upside down, so that if something does manage to drop=
 into the canoe, which is a synthetic material (Royalex), they won=E2=80=99=
t be trapped and need to chew their way through it.&nbsp;
</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpf6c96b89yiv7014841939MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:s=
ans-serif;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpf6c96b89yiv7014841939MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:s=
ans-serif;">Thanks assuming you just didn=E2=80=99t forget to include a smi=
ley face!</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpf6c96b89yiv7014841939MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:s=
ans-serif;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpf6c96b89yiv7014841939MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:s=
ans-serif;">Jack</span></p>=20
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ans-serif;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
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939yqt9384054432"><div>
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0in 0in;">
<p class=3D"ydpf6c96b89yiv7014841939MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11=
.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"> DAVID MASSEY &lt;[email-masked]&gt;
<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 28, 2025 5:14 AM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> Jim Franklin &lt;[email-masked]&gt;; Jack Brooks &lt;jib=
[email-masked]&gt;<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Cc:</b> [email-masked]<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] Eye Lag bolt pilot hole in ceiling</span></=
p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpf6c96b89yiv7014841939MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpf6c96b89yiv7014841939MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:s=
ans-serif;">It looks like your biggest threat is mice chewing through the r=
opes.&nbsp; When that happens you can change to braided steel cables.</span=
></p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpf6c96b89yiv7014841939MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:s=
ans-serif;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
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5pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:black;">Dave
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ans-serif;color:black;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
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ans-serif;color:black;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
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ans-serif;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
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ans-serif;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpf6c96b89yiv7014841939MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">On Sunday, July 27, 2025 at 10:4=
9:21 PM CDT, Jack Brooks &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:jibrooks@live=
.com" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:
</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpf6c96b89yiv7014841939MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpf6c96b89yiv7014841939MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.=
0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
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<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"ydpf6c96b89yiv7014841939ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">Thank fo=
r the =E2=80=9CReal Life=E2=80=9D answer Jim.&nbsp; That reassurance was ki=
nd-of what I was looking for.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99m using four Eye Lag Bolts to=
 pick up the
 four =E2=80=9Ccorners=E2=80=9D of the canoe, not for the weight capacity. =
Each of these Lag Bolts has a pretty aggressive thread. &nbsp;I can lose on=
e rope and not suffer any consequences, or one front and one back.&nbsp; Ki=
nd of like lashing the canoe to the roof of the car.&nbsp; I tie
 four ropes there also, so I can lose any two and not have a catastrophe.&n=
bsp; That being said, I=E2=80=99ve never had a rope come off.&nbsp; Occasio=
nally one loosens, but nothing worse. &nbsp;&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpf6c96b89yiv7014841939ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">&nbsp;</=
span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"=
></span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpf6c96b89yiv7014841939ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">With reg=
ard to removal/stowage, the car will not be under the canoe during those ad=
ventures!!! No bungees or nets, as there will be four
 separate ropes securing from and individual thwart through Eye Bolt to a t=
ie off.&nbsp; Two ropes on each end of the canoe, one on each side of the b=
oat and each secured separately.&nbsp; I can lower one end at a time pretty=
 easily.
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A=
;"></span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpf6c96b89yiv7014841939ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">&nbsp;</=
span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"=
></span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpf6c96b89yiv7014841939ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">Thanks a=
gain for the guidance and reassurance on installing the Eye Lug Bolts!!!</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">=
</span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpf6c96b89yiv7014841939ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">&nbsp;</=
span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"=
></span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpf6c96b89yiv7014841939ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">Jack</sp=
an><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"><=
/span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpf6c96b89yiv7014841939ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">&nbsp;</=
span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"=
></span></p>=20
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<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in;">
<p class=3D"ydpf6c96b89yiv7014841939ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><b><=
span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">From:=
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26=
282A;"> Jim Franklin &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:jamesf@groupwbenc=
h.org" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
<br clear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, July 27, 2025 4:37 PM<br clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> Jack Brooks &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]=
om" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br clear=
=3D"none">
<b>Cc:</b> <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" rel=
=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a><br clear=3D"no=
ne">
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] Eye Lag bolt pilot hole in ceiling</span><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span=
></p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpf6c96b89yiv7014841939ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">&nbsp;</=
span></p>=20
<p class=3D"ydpf6c96b89yiv7014841939ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">I have a=
lways drilled the holes for big threads just like this to be as close to th=
e shank diameter as possible without going over.
 Too small and you risk splitting the wood and losing a ton of grip. All 20=
0#s of me has been able to hang from each one as long as I can hold myself =
up there and it has laughed at me. Two would be fine. You are roughly 10,00=
0 times more likely to drop it during
 removal/stowage. Have a backup plan (bungees? net?) for when it happens th=
en.</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpf6c96b89yiv7014841939ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">&nbsp;</=
span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpf6c96b89yiv7014841939ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">jim</spa=
n></p>=20
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<p style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;" class=3D"ydpf6c96b89yiv7014841939ydp572c=
6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:san=
s-serif;color:#26282A;"> &nbsp;</span></p>=20
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;">
<div>
<p class=3D"ydpf6c96b89yiv7014841939ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">On Jul 2=
7, 2025, at 4:26 PM, Jack Brooks &lt;<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:jibro=
[email-masked]" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:</span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpf6c96b89yiv7014841939ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">&nbsp;</=
span></p>=20
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<div>
<p class=3D"ydpf6c96b89yiv7014841939ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">Team,</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">=
</span></p>=20
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<div>
<p class=3D"ydpf6c96b89yiv7014841939ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">&nbsp;</=
span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"=
></span></p>=20
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<div>
<p class=3D"ydpf6c96b89yiv7014841939ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">I recent=
ly moved and can no longer keep my canoe outside.&nbsp; The best place to s=
tore this 75 +/- pound canoe is hanging from the ceiling,
 OVER a car, so I want to be sure I get this right.&nbsp; I have 4, 5/16=E2=
=80=9D Eye Lag Bolts that are going into the ceiling.&nbsp; One end of the =
rope will terminate at either a set of cleats on the wall or more eyebolts =
and the other end suspending the canoe via the Eye
 Lag Bolts.&nbsp; It overdesigned, but it=E2=80=99s hanging over a car I ch=
erish.&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;c=
olor:#26282A;"></span></p>=20
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<div>
<p class=3D"ydpf6c96b89yiv7014841939ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">&nbsp;</=
span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"=
></span></p>=20
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<p class=3D"ydpf6c96b89yiv7014841939ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">My quest=
ion is the pilot hole for the 5/16<sup>th</sup><span class=3D"ydpf6c96b89yi=
v7014841939ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Eye =
Lag bolt.&nbsp;
 I am screwing them vertically up into the ceiling=E2=80=99s new 2x4=E2=80=
=99s, so I am thinking the pilot hole should be a smidge on the tighter sid=
e and use soap or paraffin to help reduce the friction of installing them.&=
nbsp;<span class=3D"ydpf6c96b89yiv7014841939ydp572c6cfayiv2915023401apple-c=
onverted-space">&nbsp;</span></span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>=20
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n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">&nbsp;</=
span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"=
></span></p>=20
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n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">I=E2=80=
=99m looking for thoughts on the size of the pilot hole, keeping in mind th=
at while the load is light, it=E2=80=99s a vertical hanging arrangement.</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">=
</span></p>=20
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n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">&nbsp;</=
span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"=
></span></p>=20
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n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">Thanks i=
n advance,</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;col=
or:#26282A;"></span></p>=20
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n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">&nbsp;</=
span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"=
></span></p>=20
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n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">Jack</sp=
an><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"><=
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n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">&nbsp;</=
span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"=
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n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">p.s. Mov=
ing has been a rearranging nightmare.&nbsp; We had a home with three car ba=
ys and a 6 foot high paved and dry crawlspace with tons of
 storage room.&nbsp; I am forcing everything into a two bay garage with an =
attached single wide, 42 foot deep bay that will hold our daily driver, two=
 Triumph cars, a Sprinter van and a workbench.&nbsp; I do have some basemen=
t storage too.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99m using a lot more vertical
 storage and it=E2=80=99s getting there=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6</span><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span=
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