Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Rebuilding a Battery Pack vs Buying New Generic

From: DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2025 11:48:16 +0000 (UTC)

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I used to have an old Makita drill that came with Ni-Cad a battery that eve=
ntually stopped being usable.=C2=A0 I bought a pair of lithium-based replac=
ement batteries.=C2=A0 On the surface they looked like a much better option=
 with double the capacity and they worked with existing drill and charger.=
=C2=A0 But (there's always a but, isn't there?) to make Lithium batteries w=
ork in a Ni-Cad environment required a electronic circuit and this circuit =
was always on and drew enough power to deplete the battery overnight.=C2=A0=
 I could charge them up in the evening and the next morning they would be c=
lose to dead.
But I see these are Nickel-Metal Hydride batteries.=C2=A0 Ni-MH batteries h=
ave characteristics more similar to Lithium - at least with regards to the =
charging regime (I've designed a battery charger for Ni-MH so I am familiar=
 with this) but are less susceptible to abuse.=C2=A0 I also see the bullet =
point about no self-discharge - which was my problem.=C2=A0 This is a $45 g=
amble (as it is with most no-name stuff from the Pacific rim) but YMMV.=C2=
=A0 This might be a good one.=C2=A0 Let us know.
BTW I bought a pair of Milwaukee 12V tools and never looked back.=C2=A0 I p=
itched all my Ni-Cad drills and recycled the batteries.
Dave=20

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    On Tuesday, June 24, 2025 at 01:36:47 PM CDT, Jim Stone <1789alpine@gma=
il.com> wrote:  =20

 I have an old Bosch 24v miter saw that I would like to be able to continue=
 using for quick, non critical cuts. =C2=A0The only problem is that the NiC=
ad batteries won=E2=80=99t hold a charge long enough to be useful. And, I d=
on=E2=80=99t think there is a way to utilize other, e.g. Milwaukee M18, bat=
teries in a 24v system. =C2=A0Besides, there don=E2=80=99t appear to be any=
 adaptors available.
So, that leaves me with two choices: rebuild my current batteries or buy ne=
w ones on Amazon. =C2=A0I=E2=80=99ve taken one of the battery packs apart a=
nd can see that it just uses standard Sub C 1.2v batteries - 20 of them! =
=C2=A0I=E2=80=99ve never rebuilt battery packs but it looks pretty straight=
 forward; just time consuming. =C2=A020 Sub C batteries would run me about =
$40-50. =C2=A0(Having it done professionally looks to cost at least twice t=
hat.) =C2=A0Or, I could just buy a Chinese-made replacement pack for just a=
 few bucks more. =C2=A0(https://www.amazon.com/Exmate-Replacement-Battery-C=
ompatible-BH-2424/dp/B073Z9QHXS/ref=3Dsr_1_17). =C2=A0
I=E2=80=99m sure the replacement batteries are also made in China, but is t=
here any reason to assume that rebuilding the packs myself will result in a=
 better, longer lasting battery? =C2=A0Any advice from those who have done =
this before will be much appreciated.
Thanks,Jim_______________________________________________

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=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">I used to have an old Makita drill that came=
 with Ni-Cad a battery that eventually stopped being usable.&nbsp; I bought=
 a pair of lithium-based replacement batteries.&nbsp; On the surface they l=
ooked like a much better option with double the capacity and they worked wi=
th existing drill and charger.&nbsp; But (there's always a but, isn't there=
?) to make Lithium batteries work in a Ni-Cad environment required a electr=
onic circuit and this circuit was always on and drew enough power to deplet=
e the battery overnight.&nbsp; I could charge them up in the evening and th=
e next morning they would be close to dead.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setd=
ir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">But I see the=
se are Nickel-Metal Hydride batteries.&nbsp; Ni-MH batteries have character=
istics more similar to Lithium - at least with regards to the charging regi=
me (I've designed a battery charger for Ni-MH so I am familiar with this) b=
ut are less susceptible to abuse.&nbsp; I also see the bullet point about n=
o self-discharge - which was my problem.&nbsp; This is a $45 gamble (as it =
is with most no-name stuff from the Pacific rim) but YMMV.&nbsp; This might=
 be a good one.&nbsp; Let us know.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"fal=
se"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">BTW I bought a pair of=
 Milwaukee 12V tools and never looked back.&nbsp; I pitched all my Ni-Cad d=
rills and recycled the batteries.</div><div><br></div><div class=3D"ydp5b69=
7443signature"><div style=3D"color: black; font-style: normal; font-size-ad=
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                <div><div id=3D"ydp39c7469ayiv7389328937"><div>I have an ol=
d Bosch 24v miter saw that I would like to be able to continue using for qu=
ick, non critical cuts. &nbsp;The only problem is that the NiCad batteries =
won=E2=80=99t hold a charge long enough to be useful. And, I don=E2=80=99t =
think there is a way to utilize other, e.g. Milwaukee M18, batteries in a 2=
4v system. &nbsp;Besides, there don=E2=80=99t appear to be any adaptors ava=
ilable.<div><br></div><div>So, that leaves me with two choices: rebuild my =
current batteries or buy new ones on Amazon. &nbsp;I=E2=80=99ve taken one o=
f the battery packs apart and can see that it just uses standard Sub C 1.2v=
 batteries - 20 of them! &nbsp;I=E2=80=99ve never rebuilt battery packs but=
 it looks pretty straight forward; just time consuming. &nbsp;20 Sub C batt=
eries would run me about $40-50. &nbsp;(Having it done professionally looks=
 to cost at least twice that.) &nbsp;Or, I could just buy a Chinese-made re=
placement pack for just a few bucks more. &nbsp;(<a href=3D"https://www.ama=
zon.com/Exmate-Replacement-Battery-Compatible-BH-2424/dp/B073Z9QHXS/ref=3Ds=
r_1_17" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">https://www.amazon.com/Exmate-Re=
placement-Battery-Compatible-BH-2424/dp/B073Z9QHXS/ref=3Dsr_1_17</a>). &nbs=
p;</div><div><br></div><div>I=E2=80=99m sure the replacement batteries are =
also made in China, but is there any reason to assume that rebuilding the p=
acks myself will result in a better, longer lasting battery? &nbsp;Any advi=
ce from those who have done this before will be much appreciated.</div><div=
><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Jim</div></div></div>____________________=
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Thanks, David.  I hadn=E2=80=99t noticed that the Amazon replacement was =
Ni-MH.  I know a little bit about Li-Ion and Ni-Cad batteries but =
nothing about Ni-MH.  Does the fact that the replacements would be Ni-MH =
have any impact on my rebuild vs. buy decision?

Jim

> On Jun 25, 2025, at 7:48=E2=80=AFAM, DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]> =
wrote:
>=20
> I used to have an old Makita drill that came with Ni-Cad a battery =
that eventually stopped being usable.  I bought a pair of lithium-based =
replacement batteries.  On the surface they looked like a much better =
option with double the capacity and they worked with existing drill and =
charger.  But (there's always a but, isn't there?) to make Lithium =
batteries work in a Ni-Cad environment required a electronic circuit and =
this circuit was always on and drew enough power to deplete the battery =
overnight.  I could charge them up in the evening and the next morning =
they would be close to dead.
>=20
> But I see these are Nickel-Metal Hydride batteries.  Ni-MH batteries =
have characteristics more similar to Lithium - at least with regards to =
the charging regime (I've designed a battery charger for Ni-MH so I am =
familiar with this) but are less susceptible to abuse.  I also see the =
bullet point about no self-discharge - which was my problem.  This is a =
$45 gamble (as it is with most no-name stuff from the Pacific rim) but =
YMMV.  This might be a good one.  Let us know.
>=20
> BTW I bought a pair of Milwaukee 12V tools and never looked back.  I =
pitched all my Ni-Cad drills and recycled the batteries.
>=20
> Dave
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On Tuesday, June 24, 2025 at 01:36:47 PM CDT, Jim Stone =
<[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
>=20
> I have an old Bosch 24v miter saw that I would like to be able to =
continue using for quick, non critical cuts.  The only problem is that =
the NiCad batteries won=E2=80=99t hold a charge long enough to be =
useful. And, I don=E2=80=99t think there is a way to utilize other, e.g. =
Milwaukee M18, batteries in a 24v system.  Besides, there don=E2=80=99t =
appear to be any adaptors available.
>=20
> So, that leaves me with two choices: rebuild my current batteries or =
buy new ones on Amazon.  I=E2=80=99ve taken one of the battery packs =
apart and can see that it just uses standard Sub C 1.2v batteries - 20 =
of them!  I=E2=80=99ve never rebuilt battery packs but it looks pretty =
straight forward; just time consuming.  20 Sub C batteries would run me =
about $40-50.  (Having it done professionally looks to cost at least =
twice that.)  Or, I could just buy a Chinese-made replacement pack for =
just a few bucks more.  =
(https://www.amazon.com/Exmate-Replacement-Battery-Compatible-BH-2424/dp/B=
073Z9QHXS/ref=3Dsr_1_17). =20
>=20
> I=E2=80=99m sure the replacement batteries are also made in China, but =
is there any reason to assume that rebuilding the packs myself will =
result in a better, longer lasting battery?  Any advice from those who =
have done this before will be much appreciated.
> Thanks,
> Jim
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charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">Thanks, David. =
&nbsp;I hadn=E2=80=99t noticed that the Amazon replacement was Ni-MH. =
&nbsp;I know a little bit about Li-Ion and Ni-Cad batteries but nothing =
about Ni-MH. &nbsp;Does the fact that the replacements would be Ni-MH =
have any impact on my rebuild vs. buy =
decision?<div><br></div><div>Jim<br><div><div><br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div>On Jun 25, 2025, at 7:48=E2=80=AFAM, DAVID MASSEY =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div><div =
class=3D"ydp5b697443yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family:Arial, =
Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
data-setdir=3D"false">I used to have an old Makita drill that came with =
Ni-Cad a battery that eventually stopped being usable.&nbsp; I bought a =
pair of lithium-based replacement batteries.&nbsp; On the surface they =
looked like a much better option with double the capacity and they =
worked with existing drill and charger.&nbsp; But (there's always a but, =
isn't there?) to make Lithium batteries work in a Ni-Cad environment =
required a electronic circuit and this circuit was always on and drew =
enough power to deplete the battery overnight.&nbsp; I could charge them =
up in the evening and the next morning they would be close to =
dead.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">But I see these are Nickel-Metal =
Hydride batteries.&nbsp; Ni-MH batteries have characteristics more =
similar to Lithium - at least with regards to the charging regime (I've =
designed a battery charger for Ni-MH so I am familiar with this) but are =
less susceptible to abuse.&nbsp; I also see the bullet point about no =
self-discharge - which was my problem.&nbsp; This is a $45 gamble (as it =
is with most no-name stuff from the Pacific rim) but YMMV.&nbsp; This =
might be a good one.&nbsp; Let us know.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">BTW=
 I bought a pair of Milwaukee 12V tools and never looked back.&nbsp; I =
pitched all my Ni-Cad drills and recycled the =
batteries.</div><div><br></div><div class=3D"ydp5b697443signature"><div =
style=3D"font-style: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-weight: =
normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 12pt; line-height: normal; =
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Jim Stone &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
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                <div><div id=3D"ydp39c7469ayiv7389328937"><div>I have an =
old Bosch 24v miter saw that I would like to be able to continue using =
for quick, non critical cuts. &nbsp;The only problem is that the NiCad =
batteries won=E2=80=99t hold a charge long enough to be useful. And, I =
don=E2=80=99t think there is a way to utilize other, e.g. Milwaukee M18, =
batteries in a 24v system. &nbsp;Besides, there don=E2=80=99t appear to =
be any adaptors available.<div><br></div><div>So, that leaves me with =
two choices: rebuild my current batteries or buy new ones on Amazon. =
&nbsp;I=E2=80=99ve taken one of the battery packs apart and can see that =
it just uses standard Sub C 1.2v batteries - 20 of them! &nbsp;I=E2=80=99v=
e never rebuilt battery packs but it looks pretty straight forward; just =
time consuming. &nbsp;20 Sub C batteries would run me about $40-50. =
&nbsp;(Having it done professionally looks to cost at least twice that.) =
&nbsp;Or, I could just buy a Chinese-made replacement pack for just a =
few bucks more. &nbsp;(<a =
href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/Exmate-Replacement-Battery-Compatible-BH-24=
24/dp/B073Z9QHXS/ref=3Dsr_1_17" rel=3D"nofollow" =
target=3D"_blank">https://www.amazon.com/Exmate-Replacement-Battery-Compat=
ible-BH-2424/dp/B073Z9QHXS/ref=3Dsr_1_17</a>). =
&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>I=E2=80=99m sure the replacement =
batteries are also made in China, but is there any reason to assume that =
rebuilding the packs myself will result in a better, longer lasting =
battery? &nbsp;Any advice from those who have done this before will be =
much =
appreciated.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Jim</div></div></d=
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I'll offer a general observation: Chinese batteries are crap, and a lot, 
if not most, of the 'name brand' batteries--Duracell, Energizer, 
etc.--you see on the Brazilian rainforest site are counterfeit (although 
you'll occasionally get a Chinese battery that is reasonably good). I 
got a 'tip' off Reddit that DigiKey sells legit batteries, and I just 
ordered some Panasonic CR2450s from them (both my welding helmet and 
Mustang key fobs use them).

I have an old Makita 9V drill that I don't use, but can't bear to chuck 
(pun intended). I bought knock-off batteries and they barely hold a 
charge, so there it sits, full of memories but useless. I'm all in on 
DeWalt, but you even have to be careful buying DW batteries as there are 
a lot of deceitful websites that advertise 'DeWalt' but sell Chinese crap.

I think best you can do is buy some of the counterfeits and hope for the 
best, or put your miter saw in your personal museum (like my Makita).

Bob

On 6/25/2025 6:00 AM, Jim Stone wrote:
> Thanks, David.  I hadn’t noticed that the Amazon replacement was 
> Ni-MH.  I know a little bit about Li-Ion and Ni-Cad batteries but 
> nothing about Ni-MH.  Does the fact that the replacements would be 
> Ni-MH have any impact on my rebuild vs. buy decision?
>
> Jim
>
>> On Jun 25, 2025, at 7:48 AM, DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>
>> I used to have an old Makita drill that came with Ni-Cad a battery 
>> that eventually stopped being usable.  I bought a pair of 
>> lithium-based replacement batteries.  On the surface they looked like 
>> a much better option with double the capacity and they worked with 
>> existing drill and charger. But (there's always a but, isn't there?) 
>> to make Lithium batteries work in a Ni-Cad environment required a 
>> electronic circuit and this circuit was always on and drew enough 
>> power to deplete the battery overnight.  I could charge them up in 
>> the evening and the next morning they would be close to dead.
>>
>> But I see these are Nickel-Metal Hydride batteries.  Ni-MH batteries 
>> have characteristics more similar to Lithium - at least with regards 
>> to the charging regime (I've designed a battery charger for Ni-MH so 
>> I am familiar with this) but are less susceptible to abuse.  I also 
>> see the bullet point about no self-discharge - which was my problem.  
>> This is a $45 gamble (as it is with most no-name stuff from the 
>> Pacific rim) but YMMV.  This might be a good one.  Let us know.
>>
>> BTW I bought a pair of Milwaukee 12V tools and never looked back.  I 
>> On Tuesday, June 24, 2025 at 01:36:47 PM CDT, Jim Stone 
>> I have an old Bosch 24v miter saw that I would like to be able to 
>> continue using for quick, non critical cuts.  The only problem is 
>> that the NiCad batteries won’t hold a charge long enough to be 
>> useful. And, I don’t think there is a way to utilize other, e.g. 
>> Milwaukee M18, batteries in a 24v system.  Besides, there don’t 
>> So, that leaves me with two choices: rebuild my current batteries or 
>> buy new ones on Amazon.  I’ve taken one of the battery packs apart 
>> and can see that it just uses standard Sub C 1.2v batteries - 20 of 
>> them!  I’ve never rebuilt battery packs but it looks pretty straight 
>> forward; just time consuming.  20 Sub C batteries would run me about 
>> $40-50.  (Having it done professionally looks to cost at least twice 
>> that.)  Or, I could just buy a Chinese-made replacement pack for just 
>> a few bucks more. 
>>  (https://www.amazon.com/Exmate-Replacement-Battery-Compatible-BH-2424/dp/B073Z9QHXS/ref=sr_1_17). 
>>
>>
>> I’m sure the replacement batteries are also made in China, but is 
>> there any reason to assume that rebuilding the packs myself will 
>> result in a better, longer lasting battery?  Any advice from those 
>> who have done this before will be much appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jim
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    I'll offer a general observation: Chinese batteries are crap, and a
    lot, if not most, of the 'name brand' batteries--Duracell,
    Energizer, etc.--you see on the Brazilian rainforest site are
    counterfeit (although you'll occasionally get a Chinese battery that
    is reasonably good). I got a 'tip' off Reddit that DigiKey sells
    legit batteries, and I just ordered some Panasonic CR2450s from them
    (both my welding helmet and Mustang key fobs use them).<br>
    <br>
    I have an old Makita 9V drill that I don't use, but can't bear to
    chuck (pun intended). I bought knock-off batteries and they barely
    hold a charge, so there it sits, full of memories but useless. I'm
    all in on DeWalt, but you even have to be careful buying DW
    batteries as there are a lot of deceitful websites that advertise
    'DeWalt' but sell Chinese crap.<br>
    <br>
    I think best you can do is buy some of the counterfeits and hope for
    the best, or put your miter saw in your personal museum (like my
    Makita).<br>
    <br>
    Bob<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/25/2025 6:00 AM, Jim Stone wrote:<br>
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      Thanks, David.  I hadn’t noticed that the Amazon replacement was
      Ni-MH.  I know a little bit about Li-Ion and Ni-Cad batteries but
      nothing about Ni-MH.  Does the fact that the replacements would be
      Ni-MH have any impact on my rebuild vs. buy decision?
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Jim<br>
        <div>
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              <div>On Jun 25, 2025, at 7:48 AM, DAVID MASSEY
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                      <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">I used to have
                        an old Makita drill that came with Ni-Cad a
                        battery that eventually stopped being usable.  I
                        bought a pair of lithium-based replacement
                        batteries.  On the surface they looked like a
                        much better option with double the capacity and
                        they worked with existing drill and charger. 
                        But (there's always a but, isn't there?) to make
                        Lithium batteries work in a Ni-Cad environment
                        required a electronic circuit and this circuit
                        was always on and drew enough power to deplete
                        the battery overnight.  I could charge them up
                        in the evening and the next morning they would
                        be close to dead.</div>
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                      </div>
                      <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">But I see these
                        are Nickel-Metal Hydride batteries.  Ni-MH
                        batteries have characteristics more similar to
                        Lithium - at least with regards to the charging
                        regime (I've designed a battery charger for
                        Ni-MH so I am familiar with this) but are less
                        susceptible to abuse.  I also see the bullet
                        point about no self-discharge - which was my
                        problem.  This is a $45 gamble (as it is with
                        most no-name stuff from the Pacific rim) but
                        YMMV.  This might be a good one.  Let us know.</div>
                      <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br>
                      </div>
                      <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">BTW I bought a
                        pair of Milwaukee 12V tools and never looked
                        back.  I pitched all my Ni-Cad drills and
                        recycled the batteries.</div>
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                            <div>I have an old Bosch 24v miter saw that
                              I would like to be able to continue using
                              for quick, non critical cuts.  The only
                              problem is that the NiCad batteries won’t
                              hold a charge long enough to be useful.
                              And, I don’t think there is a way to
                              utilize other, e.g. Milwaukee M18,
                              batteries in a 24v system.  Besides, there
                              don’t appear to be any adaptors available.
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div>So, that leaves me with two choices:
                                rebuild my current batteries or buy new
                                ones on Amazon.  I’ve taken one of the
                                battery packs apart and can see that it
                                just uses standard Sub C 1.2v batteries
                                - 20 of them!  I’ve never rebuilt
                                battery packs but it looks pretty
                                straight forward; just time consuming.
                                 20 Sub C batteries would run me about
                                $40-50.  (Having it done professionally
                                looks to cost at least twice that.)  Or,
                                I could just buy a Chinese-made
                                replacement pack for just a few bucks
                                more.  (<a
href="https://www.amazon.com/Exmate-Replacement-Battery-Compatible-BH-2424/dp/B073Z9QHXS/ref=sr_1_17"
                                  rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.amazon.com/Exmate-Replacement-Battery-Compatible-BH-2424/dp/B073Z9QHXS/ref=sr_1_17</a>).
                                 </div>
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div>I’m sure the replacement batteries
                                are also made in China, but is there any
                                reason to assume that rebuilding the
                                packs myself will result in a better,
                                longer lasting battery?  Any advice from
                                those who have done this before will be
                                much appreciated.</div>
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div>Thanks,</div>
                              <div>Jim</div>
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If you rebuild you will need Ni-Cad batteries.=C2=A0 Ni-MH or Li-ion batter=
ies will not play well with Ni-Cad chargers.=C2=A0 Those alternate chemistr=
ies require a battery management circuit.=C2=A0 Maybe you can buy those but=
 I've never seen any on offer.=C2=A0 I haven't looked either,=C2=A0 though.=
=C2=A0

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anks, David. =C2=A0I hadn=E2=80=99t noticed that the Amazon replacement was=
 Ni-MH. =C2=A0I know a little bit about Li-Ion and Ni-Cad batteries but not=
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have any impact on my rebuild vs. buy decision?
Jim

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If you rebuild you will need Ni-Cad batteries.&nbsp; Ni-MH or Li-ion batter=
ies will not play well with Ni-Cad chargers.&nbsp; Those alternate chemistr=
ies require a battery management circuit.&nbsp; Maybe you can buy those but=
 I've never seen any on offer.&nbsp; I haven't looked either,&nbsp; though.=
&nbsp;<br><br><div id=3D"ymail_android_signature"><a id=3D"ymail_android_si=
gnature_link" href=3D"https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=3Dcom.a=
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=3D"margin: 0 0 20px 0;"> <div style=3D"font-family:Roboto, sans-serif; col=
or:#6D00F6;"> <div>On Wed, Jun 25, 2025 at 8:00, Jim Stone</div><div>&lt;17=
[email-masked]&gt; wrote:</div> </div> <div style=3D"padding: 10px 0 0 =
20px; margin: 10px 0 0 0; border-left: 1px solid #6D00F6;"> <div id=3D"yiv5=
426006398"><div>Thanks, David. &nbsp;I hadn=E2=80=99t noticed that the Amaz=
on replacement was Ni-MH. &nbsp;I know a little bit about Li-Ion and Ni-Cad=
 batteries but nothing about Ni-MH. &nbsp;Does the fact that the replacemen=
ts would be Ni-MH have any impact on my rebuild vs. buy decision?<div><br c=
lear=3D"none"></div><div>Jim<br clear=3D"none"><div id=3D"yiv5426006398yqt4=
8677" class=3D"yiv5426006398yqt4222733126"><div><div><br clear=3D"none"><bl=
ockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Jun 25, 2025, at 7:48=E2=80=AFAM, DAVID MASS=
EY &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:</div><br clear=3D"none" class=3D"yiv54=
26006398Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div><div style=3D"font-family:Aria=
l, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px;" class=3D"yiv5426006398ydp5b697443=
yahoo-style-wrap"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">I used to have an old Makita drill =
that came with Ni-Cad a battery that eventually stopped being usable.&nbsp;=
 I bought a pair of lithium-based replacement batteries.&nbsp; On the surfa=
ce they looked like a much better option with double the capacity and they =
worked with existing drill and charger.&nbsp; But (there's always a but, is=
n't there?) to make Lithium batteries work in a Ni-Cad environment required=
 a electronic circuit and this circuit was always on and drew enough power =
to deplete the battery overnight.&nbsp; I could charge them up in the eveni=
ng and the next morning they would be close to dead.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">=
<br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">But I see these are Nickel-Metal =
Hydride batteries.&nbsp; Ni-MH batteries have characteristics more similar =
to Lithium - at least with regards to the charging regime (I've designed a =
battery charger for Ni-MH so I am familiar with this) but are less suscepti=
ble to abuse.&nbsp; I also see the bullet point about no self-discharge - w=
hich was my problem.&nbsp; This is a $45 gamble (as it is with most no-name=
 stuff from the Pacific rim) but YMMV.&nbsp; This might be a good one.&nbsp=
; Let us know.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"l=
tr">BTW I bought a pair of Milwaukee 12V tools and never looked back.&nbsp;=
 I pitched all my Ni-Cad drills and recycled the batteries.</div><div><br c=
lear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv5426006398ydp5b697443signature"><div s=
tyle=3D"font-style:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-weight:normal;font-str=
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>I have an old Bosch 24v miter saw that I would like to be able to continue=
 using for quick, non critical cuts. &nbsp;The only problem is that the NiC=
ad batteries won=E2=80=99t hold a charge long enough to be useful. And, I d=
on=E2=80=99t think there is a way to utilize other, e.g. Milwaukee M18, bat=
teries in a 24v system. &nbsp;Besides, there don=E2=80=99t appear to be any=
 adaptors available.<div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>So, that leaves me w=
ith two choices: rebuild my current batteries or buy new ones on Amazon. &n=
bsp;I=E2=80=99ve taken one of the battery packs apart and can see that it j=
ust uses standard Sub C 1.2v batteries - 20 of them! &nbsp;I=E2=80=99ve nev=
er rebuilt battery packs but it looks pretty straight forward; just time co=
nsuming. &nbsp;20 Sub C batteries would run me about $40-50. &nbsp;(Having =
it done professionally looks to cost at least twice that.) &nbsp;Or, I coul=
d just buy a Chinese-made replacement pack for just a few bucks more. &nbsp=
;(<a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank" =
href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/Exmate-Replacement-Battery-Compatible-BH-242=
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ttery-Compatible-BH-2424/dp/B073Z9QHXS/ref=3Dsr_1_17</a>). &nbsp;</div><div=
><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>I=E2=80=99m sure the replacement batteries a=
re also made in China, but is there any reason to assume that rebuilding th=
e packs myself will result in a better, longer lasting battery? &nbsp;Any a=
dvice from those who have done this before will be much appreciated.</div><=
div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Jim</div></div></div>__=
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Thanks, David.  The Amazon listing indicates compatibility with the =
original charger and several reviews say they had no trouble doing so.  =
It is a $40-$50 gamble either way and I have too many projects at the =
moment to add rebuilding a battery pack to the mix.  I will give the =
Amazon pack a try and report back.

Jim

p.s. I switched to Milwaukee battery tools, as well.  I started with the =
M12 set and then added M18=E2=80=99s as well.  I especially like the =
fact that one charger will charge both the 12v and 18v batteries.  I =
still have some of my old tools and have bought a couple of adaptors to =
be able to continue using a few of them with the M18 batteries.  They =
are reasonably inexpensive and work very well.  I wish I could do that =
with the Bosch saw, but no one make one and, while I could probably rig =
something using the old pack, I don't want to risk burning out the motor =
running it at only 18 volts.

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&nbsp;The Amazon listing indicates compatibility with the original =
charger and several reviews say they had no trouble doing so. &nbsp;It =
is a $40-$50 gamble either way and I have too many projects at the =
moment to add rebuilding a battery pack to the mix. &nbsp;I will give =
the Amazon pack a try and report =
back.<div><br></div><div>Jim</div><div><br></div><div>p.s. I switched to =
Milwaukee battery tools, as well. &nbsp;I started with the M12 set and =
then added M18=E2=80=99s as well. &nbsp;I especially like the fact that =
one charger will charge both the 12v and 18v batteries. &nbsp;I still =
have some of my old tools and have bought a couple of adaptors to be =
able to continue using a few of them with the M18 batteries. &nbsp;They =
are reasonably inexpensive and work very well. &nbsp;I wish I could do =
that with the Bosch saw, but no one make one and, while I could probably =
rig something using the old pack, I don't want to risk burning out the =
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 Thanks, David. =C2=A0The Amazon listing indicates compatibility with the o=
riginal charger and several reviews say they had no trouble doing so. =C2=
=A0It is a $40-$50 gamble either way and I have too many projects at the mo=
ment to add rebuilding a battery pack to the mix. =C2=A0I will give the Ama=
zon pack a try and report back.
Jim
p.s. I switched to Milwaukee battery tools, as well. =C2=A0I started with t=
he M12 set and then added M18=E2=80=99s as well. =C2=A0I especially like th=
e fact that one charger will charge both the 12v and 18v batteries. =C2=A0I=
 still have some of my old tools and have bought a couple of adaptors to be=
 able to continue using a few of them with the M18 batteries. =C2=A0They ar=
e reasonably inexpensive and work very well. =C2=A0I wish I could do that w=
ith the Bosch saw, but no one make one and, while I could probably rig some=
thing using the old pack, I don't want to risk burning out the motor runnin=
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                        On Thursday, June 26, 2025 at 07:13:13 PM CDT, Jim =
Stone &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:
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                <div><div id=3D"ydpd05434ecyiv8678996157"><div>Thanks, Davi=
d. &nbsp;The Amazon listing indicates compatibility with the original charg=
er and several reviews say they had no trouble doing so. &nbsp;It is a $40-=
$50 gamble either way and I have too many projects at the moment to add reb=
uilding a battery pack to the mix. &nbsp;I will give the Amazon pack a try =
and report back.<div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Jim</div><div><br clear=
=3D"none"></div><div>p.s. I switched to Milwaukee battery tools, as well. &=
nbsp;I started with the M12 set and then added M18=E2=80=99s as well. &nbsp=
;I especially like the fact that one charger will charge both the 12v and 1=
8v batteries. &nbsp;I still have some of my old tools and have bought a cou=
ple of adaptors to be able to continue using a few of them with the M18 bat=
teries. &nbsp;They are reasonably inexpensive and work very well. &nbsp;I w=
ish I could do that with the Bosch saw, but no one make one and, while I co=
uld probably rig something using the old pack, I don't want to risk burning=
 out the motor running it at only 18 volts.<br clear=3D"none" id=3D"ydpd054=
34ecyiv8678996157lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div id=3D"ydpd05434ecyiv86=
78996157yqt44230" class=3D"ydpd05434ecyiv8678996157yqt0863439708"><div><br =
clear=3D"none"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Jun 25, 2025, at 7:48=E2=
=80=AFAM, DAVID MASSEY &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:</div><br clear=3D"=
none" class=3D"ydpd05434ecyiv8678996157Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div=
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ass=3D"ydpd05434ecyiv8678996157ydp5b697443yahoo-style-wrap"><div><div dir=
=3D"ltr">I used to have an old Makita drill that came with Ni-Cad a battery=
 that eventually stopped being usable.&nbsp; I bought a pair of lithium-bas=
ed replacement batteries.&nbsp; On the surface they looked like a much bett=
er option with double the capacity and they worked with existing drill and =
charger.&nbsp; But (there's always a but, isn't there?) to make Lithium bat=
teries work in a Ni-Cad environment required a electronic circuit and this =
circuit was always on and drew enough power to deplete the battery overnigh=
t.&nbsp; I could charge them up in the evening and the next morning they wo=
uld be close to dead.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">But I see these are Nickel-Metal Hydride batteries.&nbsp; Ni-MH =
batteries have characteristics more similar to Lithium - at least with rega=
rds to the charging regime (I've designed a battery charger for Ni-MH so I =
am familiar with this) but are less susceptible to abuse.&nbsp; I also see =
the bullet point about no self-discharge - which was my problem.&nbsp; This=
 is a $45 gamble (as it is with most no-name stuff from the Pacific rim) bu=
t YMMV.&nbsp; This might be a good one.&nbsp; Let us know.</div><div dir=3D=
"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">BTW I bought a pair of Milw=
aukee 12V tools and never looked back.&nbsp; I pitched all my Ni-Cad drills=
 and recycled the batteries.</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div class=
=3D"ydpd05434ecyiv8678996157ydp5b697443signature"><div style=3D"font-style:=
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28937"><div>I have an old Bosch 24v miter saw that I would like to be able =
to continue using for quick, non critical cuts. &nbsp;The only problem is t=
hat the NiCad batteries won=E2=80=99t hold a charge long enough to be usefu=
l. And, I don=E2=80=99t think there is a way to utilize other, e.g. Milwauk=
ee M18, batteries in a 24v system. &nbsp;Besides, there don=E2=80=99t appea=
r to be any adaptors available.<div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>So, that =
leaves me with two choices: rebuild my current batteries or buy new ones on=
 Amazon. &nbsp;I=E2=80=99ve taken one of the battery packs apart and can se=
e that it just uses standard Sub C 1.2v batteries - 20 of them! &nbsp;I=E2=
=80=99ve never rebuilt battery packs but it looks pretty straight forward; =
just time consuming. &nbsp;20 Sub C batteries would run me about $40-50. &n=
bsp;(Having it done professionally looks to cost at least twice that.) &nbs=
p;Or, I could just buy a Chinese-made replacement pack for just a few bucks=
 more. &nbsp;(<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/Exmate-Repla=
cement-Battery-Compatible-BH-2424/dp/B073Z9QHXS/ref=3Dsr_1_17" rel=3D"nofol=
low" target=3D"_blank">https://www.amazon.com/Exmate-Replacement-Battery-Co=
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ar=3D"none"></div><div>I=E2=80=99m sure the replacement batteries are also =
made in China, but is there any reason to assume that rebuilding the packs =
myself will result in a better, longer lasting battery? &nbsp;Any advice fr=
om those who have done this before will be much appreciated.</div><div><br =
clear=3D"none"></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Jim</div></div></div>__________=
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Jim,

For what it's worth, in case you decide to rebuild, I have rebuilt 
battery packs for my obsolete Craftsman 12 volt drill,
and the battery packs for my old Sunpak high voltage camera flash units. 
All of these originals were made with NiCd batteries and I've used NiMH 
with great success. I source the batteries from ONLYBATTERIES.COM. The 
great advantage to the rebuild route is I get to select higher capacity 
batteries than the originals. They take longer to charge with the 
original chargers but last enough longer in the devices to make it 
worthwhile. This has been an incredible advantage in using the camera 
flash unit. The Sunpak packs uses low voltage sub c or AA sizes, 
depending on when they were made, to operate an oscillator circuit to 
generate a 510 volt equivalent for the flash.

In my case, the original types are not available anywhere so rebuilding 
was my only choice.

Jim

On 6/26/2025 8:13 PM, Jim Stone wrote:
> Thanks, David.  The Amazon listing indicates compatibility with the 
> original charger and several reviews say they had no trouble doing so. 
>  It is a $40-$50 gamble either way and I have too many projects at the 
> moment to add rebuilding a battery pack to the mix.  I will give the 
> p.s. I switched to Milwaukee battery tools, as well.  I started with 
> the M12 set and then added M18’s as well.  I especially like the fact 
> that one charger will charge both the 12v and 18v batteries.  I still 
> have some of my old tools and have bought a couple of adaptors to be 
> able to continue using a few of them with the M18 batteries.  They are 
> reasonably inexpensive and work very well.  I wish I could do that 
> with the Bosch saw, but no one make one and, while I could probably 
> rig something using the old pack, I don't want to risk burning out the 
> motor running it at only 18 volts.
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    Jim,<br>
    <br>
    For what it's worth, in case you decide to rebuild, I have rebuilt
    battery packs for my obsolete Craftsman 12 volt drill,<br>
    and the battery packs for my old Sunpak high voltage camera flash
    units. All of these originals were made with NiCd batteries and I've
    used NiMH with great success. I source the batteries from
    ONLYBATTERIES.COM. The great advantage to the rebuild route is I get
    to select higher capacity batteries than the originals. They take
    longer to charge with the original chargers but last enough longer
    in the devices to make it worthwhile. This has been an incredible
    advantage in using the camera flash unit. The Sunpak packs uses low
    voltage sub c or AA sizes, depending on when they were made, to
    operate an oscillator circuit to generate a 510 volt equivalent for
    the flash.<br>
    <br>
    In my case, the original types are not available anywhere so
    rebuilding was my only choice.<br>
    <br>
    Jim<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/26/2025 8:13 PM, Jim Stone wrote:<br>
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      Thanks, David.  The Amazon listing indicates compatibility with
      the original charger and several reviews say they had no trouble
      doing so.  It is a $40-$50 gamble either way and I have too many
      projects at the moment to add rebuilding a battery pack to the
      mix.  I will give the Amazon pack a try and report back.
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Jim</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>p.s. I switched to Milwaukee battery tools, as well.  I
        started with the M12 set and then added M18’s as well.  I
        especially like the fact that one charger will charge both the
        12v and 18v batteries.  I still have some of my old tools and
        have bought a couple of adaptors to be able to continue using a
        few of them with the M18 batteries.  They are reasonably
        inexpensive and work very well.  I wish I could do that with the
        Bosch saw, but no one make one and, while I could probably rig
        something using the old pack, I don't want to risk burning out
        the motor running it at only 18 volts.<br
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            <div>On Jun 25, 2025, at 7:48 AM, DAVID MASSEY
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                    <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">I used to have an
                      old Makita drill that came with Ni-Cad a battery
                      that eventually stopped being usable.  I bought a
                      pair of lithium-based replacement batteries.  On
                      the surface they looked like a much better option
                      with double the capacity and they worked with
                      existing drill and charger.  But (there's always a
                      but, isn't there?) to make Lithium batteries work
                      in a Ni-Cad environment required a electronic
                      circuit and this circuit was always on and drew
                      enough power to deplete the battery overnight.  I
                      could charge them up in the evening and the next
                      morning they would be close to dead.</div>
                    <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br>
                    </div>
                    <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">But I see these
                      are Nickel-Metal Hydride batteries.  Ni-MH
                      batteries have characteristics more similar to
                      Lithium - at least with regards to the charging
                      regime (I've designed a battery charger for Ni-MH
                      so I am familiar with this) but are less
                      susceptible to abuse.  I also see the bullet point
                      about no self-discharge - which was my problem. 
                      This is a $45 gamble (as it is with most no-name
                      stuff from the Pacific rim) but YMMV.  This might
                      be a good one.  Let us know.</div>
                    <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br>
                    </div>
                    <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">BTW I bought a
                      pair of Milwaukee 12V tools and never looked
                      back.  I pitched all my Ni-Cad drills and recycled
                      the batteries.</div>
                    <div><br>
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                        Tuesday, June 24, 2025 at 01:36:47 PM CDT, Jim
                        Stone <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a> wrote: </div>
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                          <div>I have an old Bosch 24v miter saw that I
                            would like to be able to continue using for
                            quick, non critical cuts.  The only problem
                            is that the NiCad batteries won’t hold a
                            charge long enough to be useful. And, I
                            don’t think there is a way to utilize other,
                            e.g. Milwaukee M18, batteries in a 24v
                            system.  Besides, there don’t appear to be
                            any adaptors available.
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>So, that leaves me with two choices:
                              rebuild my current batteries or buy new
                              ones on Amazon.  I’ve taken one of the
                              battery packs apart and can see that it
                              just uses standard Sub C 1.2v batteries -
                              20 of them!  I’ve never rebuilt battery
                              packs but it looks pretty straight
                              forward; just time consuming.  20 Sub C
                              batteries would run me about $40-50.
                               (Having it done professionally looks to
                              cost at least twice that.)  Or, I could
                              just buy a Chinese-made replacement pack
                              for just a few bucks more.  (<a
href="https://www.amazon.com/Exmate-Replacement-Battery-Compatible-BH-2424/dp/B073Z9QHXS/ref=sr_1_17"
                                rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.amazon.com/Exmate-Replacement-Battery-Compatible-BH-2424/dp/B073Z9QHXS/ref=sr_1_17</a>).
                               </div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>I’m sure the replacement batteries are
                              also made in China, but is there any
                              reason to assume that rebuilding the packs
                              myself will result in a better, longer
                              lasting battery?  Any advice from those
                              who have done this before will be much
                              appreciated.</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>Thanks,</div>
                            <div>Jim</div>
                          </div>
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For third party replacement battery packs check out the various tests on
the Project Farm YouTube channel. He does very extensive testing and
evaluations.

On Thu, Jun 26, 2025 at 9:52=E2=80=AFPM Jim Juhas <[email-masked]> =
wrote:

> Jim,
>
> For what it's worth, in case you decide to rebuild, I have rebuilt batter=
y
> packs for my obsolete Craftsman 12 volt drill,
> batteries than the originals. They take longer to charge with the origina=
l
> chargers but last enough longer in the devices to make it worthwhile. Thi=
s
> has been an incredible advantage in using the camera flash unit. The Sunp=
ak
> packs uses low voltage sub c or AA sizes, depending on when they were mad=
e,
> to operate an oscillator circuit to generate a 510 volt equivalent for th=
e
> flash.
> original charger and several reviews say they had no trouble doing so.  I=
t
> is a $40-$50 gamble either way and I have too many projects at the moment
> to add rebuilding a battery pack to the mix.  I will give the Amazon pack=
 a
> try and report back.
>
> Jim
>
> p.s. I switched to Milwaukee battery tools, as well.  I started with the
> M12 set and then added M18=E2=80=99s as well.  I especially like the fact=
 that one
> charger will charge both the 12v and 18v batteries.  I still have some of
> my old tools and have bought a couple of adaptors to be able to continue
> using a few of them with the M18 batteries.  They are reasonably
> inexpensive and work very well.  I wish I could do that with the Bosch sa=
w,
> but no one make one and, while I could probably rig something using the o=
ld
> pack, I don't want to risk burning out the motor running it at only 18
> volts.
>
> On Jun 25, 2025, at 7:48=E2=80=AFAM, DAVID MASSEY <[email-masked]>
> <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
> I used to have an old Makita drill that came with Ni-Cad a battery that
> eventually stopped being usable.  I bought a pair of lithium-based
> replacement batteries.  On the surface they looked like a much better
> option with double the capacity and they worked with existing drill and
> charger.  But (there's always a but, isn't there?) to make Lithium
> batteries work in a Ni-Cad environment required a electronic circuit and
> this circuit was always on and drew enough power to deplete the battery
> overnight.  I could charge them up in the evening and the next morning th=
ey
> would be close to dead.
>
> But I see these are Nickel-Metal Hydride batteries.  Ni-MH batteries have
> characteristics more similar to Lithium - at least with regards to the
> charging regime (I've designed a battery charger for Ni-MH so I am famili=
ar
> with this) but are less susceptible to abuse.  I also see the bullet poin=
t
> about no self-discharge - which was my problem.  This is a $45 gamble (as
> it is with most no-name stuff from the Pacific rim) but YMMV.  This might
> be a good one.  Let us know.
>
> <[email-masked]> <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
>
> I have an old Bosch 24v miter saw that I would like to be able to continu=
e
> using for quick, non critical cuts.  The only problem is that the NiCad
> batteries won=E2=80=99t hold a charge long enough to be useful. And, I do=
n=E2=80=99t think
> there is a way to utilize other, e.g. Milwaukee M18, batteries in a 24v
> system.  Besides, there don=E2=80=99t appear to be any adaptors available=
.
>
> So, that leaves me with two choices: rebuild my current batteries or buy
> new ones on Amazon.  I=E2=80=99ve taken one of the battery packs apart an=
d can see
> that it just uses standard Sub C 1.2v batteries - 20 of them!  I=E2=80=99=
ve never
> rebuilt battery packs but it looks pretty straight forward; just time
> consuming.  20 Sub C batteries would run me about $40-50.  (Having it don=
e
> professionally looks to cost at least twice that.)  Or, I could just buy =
a
> Chinese-made replacement pack for just a few bucks more.  (
> https://www.amazon.com/Exmate-Replacement-Battery-Compatible-BH-2424/dp/B=
073Z9QHXS/ref=3Dsr_1_17).
>
>
> I=E2=80=99m sure the replacement batteries are also made in China, but is=
 there
> any reason to assume that rebuilding the packs myself will result in a
> better, longer lasting battery?  Any advice from those who have done this
> before will be much appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Jim
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<div dir=3D"auto">For third party replacement battery packs check out the v=
arious tests on the Project Farm YouTube channel. He does very extensive te=
sting and evaluations.</div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_=
container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 26, 2025 at 9:=
52=E2=80=AFPM Jim Juhas &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">james=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
 style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><u=
></u>

 =20
   =20
 =20
  <div>
    Jim,<br>
    <br>
    For what it&#39;s worth, in case you decide to rebuild, I have rebuilt
    battery packs for my obsolete Craftsman 12 volt drill,<br>
    and the battery packs for my old Sunpak high voltage camera flash
    units. All of these originals were made with NiCd batteries and I&#39;v=
e
    used NiMH with great success. I source the batteries from
    <a href=3D"http://ONLYBATTERIES.COM" target=3D"_blank">ONLYBATTERIES.CO=
M</a>. The great advantage to the rebuild route is I get
    to select higher capacity batteries than the originals. They take
    longer to charge with the original chargers but last enough longer
    in the devices to make it worthwhile. This has been an incredible
    advantage in using the camera flash unit. The Sunpak packs uses low
    voltage sub c or AA sizes, depending on when they were made, to
    operate an oscillator circuit to generate a 510 volt equivalent for
    the flash.<br>
    <br>
    In my case, the original types are not available anywhere so
    rebuilding was my only choice.<br>
    <br>
    Jim<br>
    <div><br>
      <img src=3D"cid:ii_197b14de781916cec71" border=3D"0" style=3D"width:2=
19px;max-width:100%"></div>
    <div>On 6/26/2025 8:13 PM, Jim Stone wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
     =20
      Thanks, David.=C2=A0 The Amazon listing indicates compatibility with
      the original charger and several reviews say they had no trouble
      doing so.=C2=A0 It is a $40-$50 gamble either way and I have too many
      projects at the moment to add rebuilding a battery pack to the
      mix.=C2=A0 I will give the Amazon pack a try and report back.
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Jim</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>p.s. I switched to Milwaukee battery tools, as well.=C2=A0 I
        started with the M12 set and then added M18=E2=80=99s as well.=C2=
=A0 I
        especially like the fact that one charger will charge both the
        12v and 18v batteries.=C2=A0 I still have some of my old tools and
        have bought a couple of adaptors to be able to continue using a
        few of them with the M18 batteries.=C2=A0 They are reasonably
        inexpensive and work very well.=C2=A0 I wish I could do that with t=
he
        Bosch saw, but no one make one and, while I could probably rig
        something using the old pack, I don&#39;t want to risk burning out
        the motor running it at only 18 volts.<br id=3D"m_-7545381191938205=
372lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage">
        <div><br>
          <blockquote type=3D"cite">
            <div>On Jun 25, 2025, at 7:48=E2=80=AFAM, DAVID MASSEY
              <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">&lt;d=
[email-masked]&gt;</a> wrote:</div>
            <br>
            <div>
              <div>
                <div style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-s=
ize:16px">
                  <div>
                    <div dir=3D"ltr">I used to have an
                      old Makita drill that came with Ni-Cad a battery
                      that eventually stopped being usable.=C2=A0 I bought =
a
                      pair of lithium-based replacement batteries.=C2=A0 On
                      the surface they looked like a much better option
                      with double the capacity and they worked with
                      existing drill and charger.=C2=A0 But (there&#39;s al=
ways a
                      but, isn&#39;t there?) to make Lithium batteries work
                      in a Ni-Cad environment required a electronic
                      circuit and this circuit was always on and drew
                      enough power to deplete the battery overnight.=C2=A0 =
I
                      could charge them up in the evening and the next
                      morning they would be close to dead.</div>
                    <div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
                    </div>
                    <div dir=3D"ltr">But I see these
                      are Nickel-Metal Hydride batteries.=C2=A0 Ni-MH
                      batteries have characteristics more similar to
                      Lithium - at least with regards to the charging
                      regime (I&#39;ve designed a battery charger for Ni-MH
                      so I am familiar with this) but are less
                      susceptible to abuse.=C2=A0 I also see the bullet poi=
nt
                      about no self-discharge - which was my problem.=C2=A0
                      This is a $45 gamble (as it is with most no-name
                      stuff from the Pacific rim) but YMMV.=C2=A0 This migh=
t
                      be a good one.=C2=A0 Let us know.</div>
                    <div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
                    </div>
                    <div dir=3D"ltr">BTW I bought a
                      pair of Milwaukee 12V tools and never looked
                      back.=C2=A0 I pitched all my Ni-Cad drills and recycl=
ed
                      the batteries.</div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <div style=3D"font-style:normal;font-size-adjust:none=
;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:12pt;line-height:normal;f=
ont-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">
                        <div style=3D"font-style:normal;font-size-adjust:no=
ne;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:12pt;line-height:normal=
;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">
                          <div><font size=3D"4">Dave <br>
                            </font></div>
                          <div><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sa=
ns-serif"><br>
                            </span></div>
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                    <div style=3D"font-family:&#39;Helvetica Neue&#39;,Helv=
etica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a">
                      <div> On
                        Tuesday, June 24, 2025 at 01:36:47 PM CDT, Jim
                        Stone <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targe=
t=3D"_blank">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a> wrote: </div>
                    </div>
                    <div style=3D"font-family:&#39;Helvetica Neue&#39;,Helv=
etica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;border-left:1px solid #=
ccc;padding-left:8px;margin:0px 0px 0px 8px">
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                        <div id=3D"m_-7545381191938205372ydp39c7469ayiv7389=
328937">
                          <div>I have an old Bosch 24v miter saw that I
                            would like to be able to continue using for
                            quick, non critical cuts.=C2=A0 The only proble=
m
                            is that the NiCad batteries won=E2=80=99t hold =
a
                            charge long enough to be useful. And, I
                            don=E2=80=99t think there is a way to utilize o=
ther,
                            e.g. Milwaukee M18, batteries in a 24v
                            system.=C2=A0 Besides, there don=E2=80=99t appe=
ar to be
                            any adaptors available.
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>So, that leaves me with two choices:
                              rebuild my current batteries or buy new
                              ones on Amazon.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve taken one =
of the
                              battery packs apart and can see that it
                              just uses standard Sub C 1.2v batteries -
                              20 of them!=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve never rebuilt =
battery
                              packs but it looks pretty straight
                              forward; just time consuming. =C2=A020 Sub C
                              batteries would run me about $40-50.
                              =C2=A0(Having it done professionally looks to
                              cost at least twice that.) =C2=A0Or, I could
                              just buy a Chinese-made replacement pack
                              for just a few bucks more. =C2=A0(<a href=3D"=
https://www.amazon.com/Exmate-Replacement-Battery-Compatible-BH-2424/dp/B07=
3Z9QHXS/ref=3Dsr_1_17" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">https://www.amazo=
n.com/Exmate-Replacement-Battery-Compatible-BH-2424/dp/B073Z9QHXS/ref=3Dsr_=
1_17</a>).
                              =C2=A0</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>I=E2=80=99m sure the replacement batteries=
 are
                              also made in China, but is there any
                              reason to assume that rebuilding the packs
                              myself will result in a better, longer
                              lasting battery?=C2=A0 Any advice from those
                              who have done this before will be much
                              appreciated.</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>Thanks,</div>
                            <div>Jim</div>
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