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But here I am. --Apple-Mail=_B57DBC6C-8639-4A0F-B867-F2E7166018AB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 Not to hijack = the thread, but: sorry to hear this.  I hope everything is, or soon = will be, ok.

On May 1, 2025, at 4:41=E2=80=AFAM, eric@megageek.com = wrote:

If I wasn't laying in the hospital, I would find = the official site guidance on this.  But here I am.

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I've found that I use the pole saw about 90% of the time. I had 85 70' high pine trees that lined my driveway. The power company removed the top 50' of the trees and left me with the lower 20'. I had to de-limb the trees with the pole saw and then had a logger cut down the 20' logs. The pole saw worked unbelievably well for this task. I even added an extra 3' extension to the pole saw at times to give me up to a 9' reach. Standing on a 10' ladder let me reach the top of the trees. I also use the pole saw for all of my annual storm clean up work and it does great even with logs up to about 8" in diameter. The only issue I ever had was with their 12amp hour battery. After a couple of years it failed, they sent a replacement that lasted a year and then they stopped responding to me about it. I now use 5amp hour and 4amp hour batteries for both saws. Brad On Wed, Apr 30, 2025 at 6:12=E2=80=AFPM wrote: > John, > > My experience (and I'm pretty sure I posted it here, but I did write to > Dewalt about it) was that there chainsaw had 2 major issues. 1-The oil > leaks constantly, even if off, if it isn't hung on the hook. That means = if > you have it in the truck on the floor, the oil will be empty when you get > to the job site. Dewalt stated that was "As Designed"! My Milwaukee > doesn't do that. > > The other problem is the weak plastic, single screw to hold the chain on > with a clutch, I could never get mine to tighten properly and would > constantly throw the chain. > > I still have my Dewalt, but it will only be used if I don't want to damag= e > my Big Red (if I'm cutting branches over water or something.) > > In either case, I want to remind ANYONE using a battery chain saw that th= e > chaps that protect you will NOT work on an electric one. > > Moose > > > > From: John Innis > To: eric@megageek.com > Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Date: 04/30/2025 02:26 PM > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] battery chain saw > ------------------------------ > > > > I have the Dewalt saw, and I disagree. It has worked great for me. but > there are actually at least 4 different models in the Dewalt line up. I > have the "OG" 20V saw with the 16" bar from when they first came out, the > 20V 8" pole saw" and the 60V 20" saw that came out about a year ago. All > work great for me. The 60V saw has completely replaced my gas powered 20= " > Stihl. > > On Wed, Apr 30, 2025 at 12:29=E2=80=AFPM <*eric@megageek.com* > > wrote: > I can tell you that the Milwaukee one works great. DO NOT buy the dewalt > one. This is coming from someone that LOVES and owns almost exclusively > Dewalt. > > Moose > > > > From: "john niolon" <*jniolon@att.net* > > To: "shop-talk" <*shop-talk@autox.team.net* > > > Date: 04/30/2025 12:57 PM > Subject: [Shop-talk] battery chain saw > Sent by: "Shop-talk" <*shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net* > > > ------------------------------ > > > > since I'm an old guy I'm considering buying a battery chain saw.. with 7= 5 > oak trees on the lot I get lots of dropped limbs in the winter from 1" up > to 3" and I think this is easier than manual saw...especially since I saw > my 92 year old neighbor destroying yard debris > using one in one hand, the other holding the limb.; > > any recommendations on brand, voltage, size... budget is a consideration > as is weight... remember, I'm an old guy > > thanks > john > _______________________________________________ > > *Shop-talk@autox.team.net* > Donate: *http://www.team.net/donate.html* > > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: *http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk* > *http://autox.team.net/archive* > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > *http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eric@megageek.com* > > > > _______________________________________________ > > *Shop-talk@autox.team.net* > Donate: *http://www.team.net/donate.html* > > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: *http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk* > *http://autox.team.net/archive* > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > *http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdinnis@gmail.com* > > > > > -- > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > =3D Never offend people with style when you =3D > =3D can offend with substance --- Sam Brown =3D > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bkahler1@gmail.com > > Virus-free.www.avg.com <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> --000000000000e93c0d063412b8fd Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm in the Milwaukee hemisphere and have both the= ir 16" electric chainsaw and their 10" electric pole saw.=C2=A0 I= 've found that I use the pole saw about 90% of the time.=C2=A0 I had 85= 70' high pine trees that lined my driveway.=C2=A0 The power company re= moved the top 50' of the trees and left me with the lower 20'.=C2= =A0 I had to de-limb the trees with the pole saw and then had a logger cut = down the 20' logs.=C2=A0 The pole saw worked unbelievably well for this= task.=C2=A0 I even added an extra 3' extension to the pole saw at time= s to give me up to a 9' reach.=C2=A0 Standing on=C2=A0 a 10' ladder= let me reach the top of the trees.

I also use the= pole saw for all of my annual storm clean up work and it does great even w= ith logs up to about 8" in diameter.=C2=A0 The only issue I ever had w= as with their 12amp hour battery.=C2=A0 After a couple of years it failed, = they sent a replacement that lasted a year and then they stopped responding= to me about it.=C2=A0 I now use 5amp hour and 4amp hour batteries for both= saws.

Brad

On Wed, Apr 30, 2= 025 at 6:12=E2=80=AFPM <eric@megage= ek.com> wrote:
John,

My experience (and I'm pretty = sure I posted it here, but I did write to Dewalt about it) was that there chainsaw had 2 major issues. =C2=A01-The oil leaks constantly, even if off, if it isn't hung on the hook.=C2=A0 That means if you have it in the truck on the floor, the oil will be empty when you get to the job site.=C2=A0 Dewalt stated that was "As Designed"!=C2=A0 My Milwaukee doesn't do that.

The other problem is the weak plas= tic, single screw to hold the chain on with a clutch, =C2=A0I could never get mine to tighten properly and would constantly throw the chain.

I still have my Dewalt, but it wil= l only be used if I don't want to damage my Big Red (if I'm cutting b= ranches over water or something.)

In either case, I want to remind A= NYONE using a battery chain saw that the chaps that protect you will NOT work on an electric one.

Moose



From: =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0John Innis <jdinnis@gmail.com>
To: =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0eric@megageek.com
Cc: =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Shop-talk@autox.team.net
Date: =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A004/30/2025 02:26 PM
Subject: =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Re: [Shop-talk] battery chain saw



I have the Dewalt saw, and I disagree.=C2=A0 It has wo= rked great for me.=C2=A0 but there are actually at least 4 different models in the Dewalt line up.=C2=A0 I have the "OG" 20V saw with the 16" bar from when they first came out, the 20V 8" pole saw" and the 60V 20" saw that came out about a year ago.=C2=A0 All work great for me.=C2=A0 The 60V saw has completely replaced my gas powered 20" Stihl.=C2=A0

On Wed, Apr 30, 2025 at 12:29=E2=80=AFPM <eric@megageek.com> wrote:
I can tell you that the Milwaukee = one works great.=C2=A0 DO NOT buy the dewalt one.=C2=A0 This is coming from someone that LOVES and owns almost exclusively Dewalt.

Moose



From: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"john niolon" <jniolon@att.net>
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My experience has been that some shippers tend to specialize in certain are= as or certain types of shipments (e.g., intrastate, interstate, coast-to-co= ast, exotics, fleets, etc.). The prices quoted will range quite dramatically from different carriers for= the same distance. Covered/enclosed carriers cost about 30-50% more than o= pen carriers. I have only used covered carriers. Some carriers will load multiple cars on the same truck and you will need t= o wait for the truck to have a full load before they start the journey. Oth= ers will load and deliver one car. He will want to ascertain the arrangemen= t upfront. For longer trips like LA to Detroit, I would try to locate a Detroit-based = carrier who has an LA delivery to make and probably would give a better pri= ce for an LA to Detroit delivery to avoid driving an empty truck back. If y= our friend can wait, he might be able to get a significant discount if he c= ooperates with the trucker's current delivery schedule. If the car has good paint, he might want to consider a covered carrier as o= ne might encounter dust storms, hail, stones, gravel, etc., on a 1,500-mile= trip. I also would suggest checking both the national/regional firms as well as l= ocal mom and pop trucking firms. If it costs a bit more to have it arrive u= ndented, it is well worth another hundred dollars instead of the cost of re= painting the car or fixing the dents or scratches. If the car will not start and move under its own power, it will cost consid= erably more to ship as you can imagine. best, des ________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of Al Fuller <= alfuller194@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2025 12:14 PM To: AH Mail List ; Shop Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Auto movers So a friend needs to move a car from LA to Detroit, and wonders who would b= e a good choice. AFAIK it's drivable and doesn't need to be in an enclosed = carrier. ________________ Sent from my phone Best Regards, Al Fuller --_000_BY5PR12MB4869BD2D5507AC4057EBB746D89BABY5PR12MB4869namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Al,

I have bought cars on online auctions, most recently a '56 Lotus Eleven on = Bring a Trailer, and have used shippers to truck the cars.

My experience has been that some shippers tend to specialize in certain are= as or certain types of shipments (e.g., intrastate, interstate, coast-to-co= ast, exotics, fleets, etc.).

The prices quoted will range quite dramatically from different carriers for= the same distance. Covered/enclosed carriers cost about 30-50% more than o= pen carriers. I have only used covered carriers.

Some carriers will load multiple cars on the same truck and you will need t= o wait for the truck to have a full load before they start the journey. Oth= ers will load and deliver one car. He will want to ascertain the arrangemen= t upfront.

For longer trips like LA to Detroit, I would try to locate a Detroit-based = carrier who has an LA delivery to make and probably would give a better pri= ce for an LA to Detroit delivery to avoid driving an empty truck back. If y= our friend can wait, he might be able to get a significant discount if he cooperates with the trucker's cur= rent delivery schedule.

If the car has good paint, he might want to consider a covered carrier as o= ne might encounter dust storms, hail, stones, gravel, etc., on a 1,500-mile= trip.

I also would suggest checking both the national/regional firms as well as l= ocal mom and pop trucking firms. If it costs a bit more to have it arrive u= ndented, it is well worth another hundred dollars instead of the cost of re= painting the car or fixing the dents or scratches.

If the car will not start and move under its own power, it will cost consid= erably more to ship as you can imagine.

best,


des

From: Shop-talk <shop-ta= lk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Al Fuller <alfuller194@gmail.= com>
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2025 12:14 PM
To: AH Mail List <healeys@autox.team.net>; Shop Talk <Shop-= talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: [Shop-talk] Auto movers
 
So a friend needs to move a car from LA to Detroit, and wonders who wo= uld be a good choice. AFAIK it's drivable and doesn't need to be in an encl= osed carrier.

________________
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Best Regards,
Al Fuller
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The inoperable surcharge at the time was only about $100. Apparently this is not important in this case if the car is operable. But if it isn't, check with the shipper before you assume the worst. -Steve T. 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Thanks all for the suggestions, I'll pass them o= n!



________________
Sent from m= y phone
Best Regards,
Al Fuller
--00000000000067b2880635e68e10-- --===============0239643331332548286== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============0239643331332548286==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 25 06:41:21 2025 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B4B5A027D for ; Sun, 25 May 2025 06:41:21 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from Deep13.mail.Megageek.com (unknown [34.199.103.79]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 043C4A016D for ; Sun, 25 May 2025 06:38:15 -0600 (MDT) To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net type=4; name=$KeepSent From: Moose Date: Sun, 25 May 2025 08:37:38 -0400 05/25/2025 08:37:42 AM, Serialize complete at 05/25/2025 08:37:42 AM Subject: [Shop-talk] Manual transmission issue??? Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============0840654284500092121== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 00455E5D85258C95_= Braintrust, I don't mess with transmissions at all, so I'm in the dark here. Hopefully someone has the answer and it's an easy fix. The issue, 2017 Jeep Patriot with a 5 speed manual transmission makes a 'whirring' sound when driving in 3rd gear or higher. Started about a year ago, when car was picked up from a franchise mechanic shop. (owner of car is a single woman without much money.) When she called them back they where like, "Well, we would have to charge you to look at it." So since she already suspected they caused the issues, she didn't want to give them more money. She brought it to another shop and they said, "You need a new transmission." That will more than likely exceed the valve of the Jeep. So they just did a fluid change, and that was it. Note, in their carfax report, they listed that they "installed a new transmission" in addition to the fluid change, so I don't trust them either. It's a manual 5 speed. I checked the fluid level and it is exactly where it should be. So I did a road test. Here is the crazy part. There is NOTHING that I can feel that would indicate any transmission problems. No slipping, no chucking, it shifts smooth and pulls strong. No vibrations. The only thing is that noise, and that ONLY happens when you give it throttle. So if you are going down the street at 50, and take your foot off the gas pedal, noise goes away. If you just give it a little gas, noise returns. If you have it in neutral coasting, no noise. If you are engine braking, no noise. The noise is ONLY if you have your foot on the gas in the slightest. Note, there is also no noticeable noise in 1st or 2nd gear. I am thinking that the original shop did something to the car to make it start this noise, knowing she would take it back there to get it fixed and that it's a simple fix. I would love to be able to fix this as it is a hard working girl that doesn't have much money and really takes care of her car. She is also a good friend of my fiancee, so it would be bonus points for me. 8>) Thanks and I hope everyone takes a moment to think about all the Soldier's that gave their lives to protect our freedoms, (no matter what country you are from.) Have a great weekend! Moose --=_alternative 00455E5D85258C95_= Braintrust,

I don't mess with transmissions at all, so I'm in the dark here.  Hopefully someone has the answer and it's an easy fix.

The issue,   2017 Jeep Patriot with a 5 speed manual transmission makes a 'whirring' sound when driving in 3rd gear or higher.

Started about a year ago, when car was picked up from a franchise mechanic shop.  (owner of car is a single woman without much money.)

When she called them back they where like, "Well, we would have to charge you to look at it."  So since she already suspected they caused the issues, she didn't want to give them more money.

She brought it to another shop and they said, "You need a new transmission."  That will more than likely exceed the valve of the Jeep. So they just did a fluid change, and that was it.  Note, in their carfax report, they listed that they "installed a new transmission" in addition to the fluid change, so I don't trust them either.

It's a manual 5 speed.  I checked the fluid level and it is exactly where it should be.  So I did a road test.

Here is the crazy part.
There is NOTHING that I can feel that would indicate any transmission problems.  No slipping, no chucking, it shifts smooth and pulls strong.  No vibrations.  The only thing is that noise, and that ONLY happens when you give it throttle.

So if you are going down the street at 50, and take your foot off the gas pedal, noise goes away. If you just give it a little gas, noise returns.

If you have it in neutral coasting, no noise.  If you are engine braking, no noise. The noise is ONLY if you have your foot on the gas in the slightest.

Note, there is also no noticeable noise in 1st or 2nd gear.

I am thinking that the original shop did something to the car to make it start this noise, knowing she would take it back there to get it fixed and that it's a simple fix.

I would love to be able to fix this as it is a hard working girl that doesn't have much money and really takes care of her car.  She is also a good friend of my fiancee, so it would be bonus points for me. 8>)

Thanks and I hope everyone takes a moment to think about all the Soldier's that gave their lives to protect our freedoms, (no matter what country you are from.)

Have a great weekend!

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Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============7837434055936079248== --000000000000d36a920635f5b5f9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I put < *2017 Jeep Patriot with a 5 speed manual transmission makes a 'whirring' sound when driving in 3rd gear or higher * > into Google and got lots of 'hits'. I did not search for an actual answer but maybe it's in there somewhere... EjR On Sun, May 25, 2025 at 8:40=E2=80=AFAM Moose wrote: > Braintrust, > > I don't mess with transmissions at all, so I'm in the dark here. > Hopefully someone has the answer and it's an easy fix. > > The issue, 2017 Jeep Patriot with a 5 speed manual transmission makes a > 'whirring' sound when driving in 3rd gear or higher. > > Started about a year ago, when car was picked up from a franchise mechani= c > shop. (owner of car is a single woman without much money.) > > When she called them back they where like, "Well, we would have to charge > you to look at it." So since she already suspected they caused the issue= s, > she didn't want to give them more money. > > She brought it to another shop and they said, "You need a new > transmission." That will more than likely exceed the valve of the Jeep. = So > they just did a fluid change, and that was it. Note, in their carfax > report, they listed that they "installed a new transmission" in addition = to > the fluid change, so I don't trust them either. > > It's a manual 5 speed. I checked the fluid level and it is exactly where > it should be. So I did a road test. > > Here is the crazy part. > There is NOTHING that I can feel that would indicate any transmission > problems. No slipping, no chucking, it shifts smooth and pulls strong. = No > vibrations. The only thing is that noise, and that ONLY happens when you > give it throttle. > > So if you are going down the street at 50, and take your foot off the gas > pedal, noise goes away. If you just give it a little gas, noise returns. > > If you have it in neutral coasting, no noise. If you are engine braking, > no noise. The noise is ONLY if you have your foot on the gas in the > slightest. > > Note, there is also no noticeable noise in 1st or 2nd gear. > > I am thinking that the original shop did something to the car to make it > start this noise, knowing she would take it back there to get it fixed an= d > that it's a simple fix. > > I would love to be able to fix this as it is a hard working girl that > doesn't have much money and really takes care of her car. She is also a > good friend of my fiancee, so it would be bonus points for me. 8>) > > Thanks and I hope everyone takes a moment to think about all the Soldier'= s > that gave their lives to protect our freedoms, (no matter what country yo= u > are from.) > > Have a great weekend! > > Moose_______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/ejrussell61@gmail.com > > --000000000000d36a920635f5b5f9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I= put <=C2=A02017 Jeep Patriot wi= th a 5 speed manual transmission makes a 'whirring' sound when driv= ing in 3rd gear or higher=C2=A0> into Google and got lots of 'hits'. I did not se= arch for an actual answer but maybe it's in there=C2=A0somewhere...=C2= =A0

EjR=C2=A0

On S= un, May 25, 2025 at 8:40=E2=80=AFAM Moose <eric@megageek.com> wrote:
Braintrust,

I don't mess with transmission= s at all, so I'm in the dark here.=C2=A0 Hopefully someone has the answer and it&= #39;s an easy fix.

The issue, =C2=A0 2017 Jeep Patrio= t with a 5 speed manual transmission makes a 'whirring' sound when dr= iving in 3rd gear or higher.

Started about a year ago, when car= was picked up from a franchise mechanic shop. =C2=A0(owner of car is a single woman without much money.)

When she called them back they whe= re like, "Well, we would have to charge you to look at it." =C2=A0So since she already suspected they caused the issues, she didn't want to give them more money.

She brought it to another shop and= they said, "You need a new transmission." =C2=A0That will more than likely exceed the valve of the Jeep. So they just did a fluid change, and that was it.=C2=A0 Note, in their carfax report, they listed that they "installed a new transmission" in addition to the fluid change, so I don't trust them either.

It's a manual 5 speed.=C2=A0 I= checked the fluid level and it is exactly where it should be.=C2=A0 So I did a road test.

Here is the crazy part.
There is NOTHING that I can feel t= hat would indicate any transmission problems.=C2=A0 No slipping, no chucking, it shifts smooth and pulls strong.=C2=A0 No vibrations.=C2=A0 The only thing is that noise, and that ONLY happens when you give it throttle.

So if you are going down the stree= t at 50, and take your foot off the gas pedal, noise goes away. If you just give it a little gas, noise returns.

If you have it in neutral coasting= , no noise.=C2=A0 If you are engine braking, no noise. The noise is ONLY if you have your foot on the gas in the slightest.

Note, there is also no noticeable = noise in 1st or 2nd gear.

I am thinking that the original sh= op did something to the car to make it start this noise, knowing she would take it back there to get it fixed and that it's a simple fix.

I would love to be able to fix thi= s as it is a hard working girl that doesn't have much money and really ta= kes care of her car.=C2=A0 She is also a good friend of my fiancee, so it would be bonus points for me. 8>)

Thanks and I hope everyone takes a= moment to think about all the Soldier's that gave their lives to protect our f= reedoms, (no matter what country you are from.)

Have a great weekend!

Moose______________________= _________________________

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--000000000000d36a920635f5b5f9-- --===============7837434055936079248== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============7837434055936079248==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 25 08:29:01 2025 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DC5FA0292 for ; Sun, 25 May 2025 08:29:01 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resdmta-c2p-566137.sys.comcast.net (unknown [96.102.19.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11EABA01C7 for ; Sun, 25 May 2025 08:25:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-c2p-555921.sys.comcast.net ([96.102.18.229]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 256/256 bits) (Client did not present a certificate) by resdmta-c2p-566137.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPS id JBfzu2IyQmUDyJCHsuCSRh; Sun, 25 May 2025 14:25:16 +0000 s=20190202a; t=1748183116; bh=BJgbV/EBxaD6aM+hhj4aCxhRGx3XXD/ylcM0T3KJ0KE=; h=Received:Received:Content-Type:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version: Subject:To:From:Xfinity-Spam-Result; b=I8KCtDUsQyse6lcGDr5AJtxu0SUyFadpukyLzSRwT1Tw6V8UUV1KE+l/P48GZW2D+ dl6B7o6I5hYuVIjJV2cr99pEfBtM4yH1Afr6X3ZitncKAr+M+ze5mztrOwxv6ucyPx /QbEaC6+PYpgTwbbK1JBWsGGq1+0e0uhOYgZ0aSP/U1CLxHAttPoKSWscqFi+gb2IP ij1ckC1DKmct3NkVmVfBl15VdDRuFjpqzkmoxiqls+m/txLJmHaXZqEJmRA1rKK/IE CpJFle4ZfsXauoROrQ+xNPwh2hPCRi6/PgqKT8AfE0R9hwDshwaPl1UJyyd7dNd6h0 Gk0Hlc73HpFDA== Received: from [192.168.1.123] ([104.153.206.37]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 256/256 bits) (Client did not present a certificate) by resomta-c2p-555921.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPSA id JCHluZDcMwd0KJCHmu2GVZ; Sun, 25 May 2025 14:25:14 +0000 Date: Sun, 25 May 2025 07:25:09 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: Content-Language: en-US From: Bob Spidell I1JD8eD8QNRNdDNnNz5ssQbxA7pABM3ByRkO1qye/HntuWF68+C7USw6fvbHLRyBm/fVZd/PQKZ6aJ3Sz1N6YfTqZaCRkrWPqNw= Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Manual transmission issue??? Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============5089002332413770033== boundary="------------lbFjdSMGqFQtdYeXk3nIizVL" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------lbFjdSMGqFQtdYeXk3nIizVL Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I put that query to Google 'AI' and got at least one suggestion that isn't likely: synchronizers. This isn't likely because synchros are only in action when you engage the gear, and the usual symptom is hard shifting. So, I'll throw my semi-educated guess in (Disclaimer: I've only rebuilt a couple transmissions, both std/manual). First, though, some questions: /Why did she take the car to a shop in the first place?/ For the 'whirring noise?' Did the noise just start, she just noticed it or was it noisy after she got it back from the shop, but not before? Was it there after she got it back, but it was tolerable and got worse over a year? I don't know what a shop could do to cause a gearbox to /start /making noise that wouldn't cause serious damage. Maybe put bad/wrong fluid in or, a deliberate act of sabotage like putting some kind of abrasive in the box. Knowing these would help a bit, but my guess is bearing/s, either input/output or layshaft (though I wouldn't expect that on a maintained box before at least 100K miles). A good/honest shop would stand by their work, if they did anything, and the best ones would rebuild the box, and not just throw a junkyard box in there; getting the box out/in is the hardest work, going through a manual on the bench is /almost/ fun. If you're able, I'd try a fluid change and put one of the better synthetic fluids; Redline and others make some good ones. My most recent experience with a transmission was with my '96 Ranger (3-spd auto with overdrive and 134K miles). Started not shifting, holding a gear, etc. so I took it to a local shop, who didn't say off the bat I needed a transmission, but did some diagnosis (then they told me). It needed a complete rebuild, which cost me $3,500 but the truck's worth it, and they showed me the worn/replaced parts. They insist I bring it back in in a year for service to keep the warranty, which seems reasonable (there will likely be some clutch wear-in and a new filter and fluid would be in order). They also told me the Rangers used the same gearbox as Pintos, which chafed my hide a little (thanks, Ford ;). Kudos to the lady for 'driving a stick.' Bob On 5/25/2025 6:21 AM, Eric Russell wrote: > I put < /2017 Jeep Patriot with a 5 speed manual transmission makes a > 'whirring' sound when driving in 3rd gear or higher / > > > > into Google and got lots of 'hits'. I did not search for an actual > answer but maybe it's in there somewhere... > > EjR > > On Sun, May 25, 2025 at 8:40 AM Moose wrote: > > Braintrust, > > I don't mess with transmissions at all, so I'm in the dark here.  > Hopefully someone has the answer and it's an easy fix. > > The issue,   2017 Jeep Patriot with a 5 speed manual transmission > makes a 'whirring' sound when driving in 3rd gear or higher. > > Started about a year ago, when car was picked up from a franchise > mechanic shop.  (owner of car is a single woman without much money.) > > When she called them back they where like, "Well, we would have to > charge you to look at it."  So since she already suspected they > caused the issues, she didn't want to give them more money. > > She brought it to another shop and they said, "You need a new > transmission."  That will more than likely exceed the valve of the > Jeep. So they just did a fluid change, and that was it.  Note, in > their carfax report, they listed that they "installed a new > transmission" in addition to the fluid change, so I don't trust > them either. > > It's a manual 5 speed.  I checked the fluid level and it is > exactly where it should be.  So I did a road test. > > Here is the crazy part. > There is NOTHING that I can feel that would indicate any > transmission problems.  No slipping, no chucking, it shifts smooth > and pulls strong.  No vibrations.  The only thing is that noise, > and that ONLY happens when you give it throttle. > > So if you are going down the street at 50, and take your foot off > the gas pedal, noise goes away. If you just give it a little gas, > noise returns. > > If you have it in neutral coasting, no noise.  If you are engine > braking, no noise. The noise is ONLY if you have your foot on the > gas in the slightest. > > Note, there is also no noticeable noise in 1st or 2nd gear. > > I am thinking that the original shop did something to the car to > make it start this noise, knowing she would take it back there to > get it fixed and that it's a simple fix. > > I would love to be able to fix this as it is a hard working girl > that doesn't have much money and really takes care of her car.  > She is also a good friend of my fiancee, so it would be bonus > points for me. 8>) > > Thanks and I hope everyone takes a moment to think about all the > Soldier's that gave their lives to protect our freedoms, (no > matter what country you are from.) > > Have a great weekend! > > Moose_______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation  $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/ejrussell61@gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bspidell@comcast.net > --------------lbFjdSMGqFQtdYeXk3nIizVL Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I put that query to Google 'AI' and got at least one suggestion that isn't likely: synchronizers. This isn't likely because synchros are only in action when you engage the gear, and the usual symptom is hard shifting. So, I'll throw my semi-educated guess in (Disclaimer: I've only rebuilt a couple transmissions, both std/manual).

First, though, some questions: Why did she take the car to a shop in the first place? For the 'whirring noise?' Did the noise just start, she just noticed it or was it noisy after she got it back from the shop, but not before? Was it there after she got it back, but it was tolerable and got worse over a year? I don't know what a shop could do to cause a gearbox to start making noise that wouldn't cause serious damage. Maybe put bad/wrong fluid in or, a deliberate act of sabotage like putting some kind of abrasive in the box.

Knowing these would help a bit, but my guess is bearing/s, either input/output or layshaft (though I wouldn't expect that on a maintained box before at least 100K miles). A good/honest shop would stand by their work, if they did anything, and the best ones would rebuild the box, and not just throw a junkyard box in there; getting the box out/in is the hardest work, going through a manual on the bench is almost fun. If you're able, I'd try a fluid change and put one of the better synthetic fluids; Redline and others make some good ones.

My most recent experience with a transmission was with my '96 Ranger (3-spd auto with overdrive and 134K miles). Started not shifting, holding a gear, etc. so I took it to a local shop, who didn't say off the bat I needed a transmission, but did some diagnosis (then they told me). It needed a complete rebuild, which cost me $3,500 but the truck's worth it, and they showed me the worn/replaced parts. They insist I bring it back in in a year for service to keep the warranty, which seems reasonable (there will likely be some clutch wear-in and a new filter and fluid would be in order). They also told me the Rangers used the same gearbox as Pintos, which chafed my hide a little (thanks, Ford ;).

Kudos to the lady for 'driving a stick.'

Bob



On 5/25/2025 6:21 AM, Eric Russell wrote:
I put < 2017 Jeep Patriot with a 5 speed manual transmission makes a 'whirring' sound when driving in 3rd gear or higher > into Google and got lots of 'hits'. I did not search for an actual answer but maybe it's in there somewhere... 

EjR 

On Sun, May 25, 2025 at 8:40 AM Moose <eric@megageek.com> wrote:
Braintrust,

I don't mess with transmissions at all, so I'm in the dark here.  Hopefully someone has the answer and it's an easy fix.

The issue,   2017 Jeep Patriot with a 5 speed manual transmission makes a 'whirring' sound when driving in 3rd gear or higher.

Started about a year ago, when car was picked up from a franchise mechanic shop.  (owner of car is a single woman without much money.)

When she called them back they where like, "Well, we would have to charge you to look at it."  So since she already suspected they caused the issues, she didn't want to give them more money.

She brought it to another shop and they said, "You need a new transmission."  That will more than likely exceed the valve of the Jeep. So they just did a fluid change, and that was it.  Note, in their carfax report, they listed that they "installed a new transmission" in addition to the fluid change, so I don't trust them either.

It's a manual 5 speed.  I checked the fluid level and it is exactly where it should be.  So I did a road test.

Here is the crazy part.
There is NOTHING that I can feel that would indicate any transmission problems.  No slipping, no chucking, it shifts smooth and pulls strong.  No vibrations.  The only thing is that noise, and that ONLY happens when you give it throttle.

So if you are going down the street at 50, and take your foot off the gas pedal, noise goes away. If you just give it a little gas, noise returns.

If you have it in neutral coasting, no noise.  If you are engine braking, no noise. The noise is ONLY if you have your foot on the gas in the slightest.

Note, there is also no noticeable noise in 1st or 2nd gear.

I am thinking that the original shop did something to the car to make it start this noise, knowing she would take it back there to get it fixed and that it's a simple fix.

I would love to be able to fix this as it is a hard working girl that doesn't have much money and really takes care of her car.  She is also a good friend of my fiancee, so it would be bonus points for me. 8>)

Thanks and I hope everyone takes a moment to think about all the Soldier's that gave their lives to protect our freedoms, (no matter what country you are from.)

Have a great weekend!

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Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============6081434585888942092== boundary="------------EzHU1a8dNW0Sc1Ms00WQTlUI" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------EzHU1a8dNW0Sc1Ms00WQTlUI Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Oh, 'one more thing:' If you do a fluid change, drain into a really clean container and check the fluid carefully for metal (use a magnet, etc.). If there's more than a tiny bit--some wear is normal, we are crunch a shift once-in-a-while--then a tear-down/replacement is the only option. bs On 5/25/2025 6:21 AM, Eric Russell wrote: > I put < /2017 Jeep Patriot with a 5 speed manual transmission makes a > 'whirring' sound when driving in 3rd gear or higher / > > > > into Google and got lots of 'hits'. I did not search for an actual > answer but maybe it's in there somewhere... > > EjR > > On Sun, May 25, 2025 at 8:40 AM Moose wrote: > > Braintrust, > > I don't mess with transmissions at all, so I'm in the dark here.  > Hopefully someone has the answer and it's an easy fix. > > The issue,   2017 Jeep Patriot with a 5 speed manual transmission > makes a 'whirring' sound when driving in 3rd gear or higher. > > Started about a year ago, when car was picked up from a franchise > mechanic shop.  (owner of car is a single woman without much money.) > > When she called them back they where like, "Well, we would have to > charge you to look at it."  So since she already suspected they > caused the issues, she didn't want to give them more money. > > She brought it to another shop and they said, "You need a new > transmission."  That will more than likely exceed the valve of the > Jeep. So they just did a fluid change, and that was it.  Note, in > their carfax report, they listed that they "installed a new > transmission" in addition to the fluid change, so I don't trust > them either. > > It's a manual 5 speed.  I checked the fluid level and it is > exactly where it should be.  So I did a road test. > > Here is the crazy part. > There is NOTHING that I can feel that would indicate any > transmission problems.  No slipping, no chucking, it shifts smooth > and pulls strong.  No vibrations.  The only thing is that noise, > and that ONLY happens when you give it throttle. > > So if you are going down the street at 50, and take your foot off > the gas pedal, noise goes away. If you just give it a little gas, > noise returns. > > If you have it in neutral coasting, no noise.  If you are engine > braking, no noise. The noise is ONLY if you have your foot on the > gas in the slightest. > > Note, there is also no noticeable noise in 1st or 2nd gear. > > I am thinking that the original shop did something to the car to > make it start this noise, knowing she would take it back there to > get it fixed and that it's a simple fix. > > I would love to be able to fix this as it is a hard working girl > that doesn't have much money and really takes care of her car.  > She is also a good friend of my fiancee, so it would be bonus > points for me. 8>) > > Thanks and I hope everyone takes a moment to think about all the > Soldier's that gave their lives to protect our freedoms, (no > matter what country you are from.) > > Have a great weekend! > > Moose_______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation  $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/ejrussell61@gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bspidell@comcast.net > --------------EzHU1a8dNW0Sc1Ms00WQTlUI Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Oh, 'one more thing:' If you do a fluid change, drain into a really clean container and check the fluid carefully for metal (use a magnet, etc.). If there's more than a tiny bit--some wear is normal, we are crunch a shift once-in-a-while--then a tear-down/replacement is the only option.

bs


On 5/25/2025 6:21 AM, Eric Russell wrote:
I put < 2017 Jeep Patriot with a 5 speed manual transmission makes a 'whirring' sound when driving in 3rd gear or higher > into Google and got lots of 'hits'. I did not search for an actual answer but maybe it's in there somewhere... 

EjR 

On Sun, May 25, 2025 at 8:40 AM Moose <eric@megageek.com> wrote:
Braintrust,

I don't mess with transmissions at all, so I'm in the dark here.  Hopefully someone has the answer and it's an easy fix.

The issue,   2017 Jeep Patriot with a 5 speed manual transmission makes a 'whirring' sound when driving in 3rd gear or higher.

Started about a year ago, when car was picked up from a franchise mechanic shop.  (owner of car is a single woman without much money.)

When she called them back they where like, "Well, we would have to charge you to look at it."  So since she already suspected they caused the issues, she didn't want to give them more money.

She brought it to another shop and they said, "You need a new transmission."  That will more than likely exceed the valve of the Jeep. So they just did a fluid change, and that was it.  Note, in their carfax report, they listed that they "installed a new transmission" in addition to the fluid change, so I don't trust them either.

It's a manual 5 speed.  I checked the fluid level and it is exactly where it should be.  So I did a road test.

Here is the crazy part.
There is NOTHING that I can feel that would indicate any transmission problems.  No slipping, no chucking, it shifts smooth and pulls strong.  No vibrations.  The only thing is that noise, and that ONLY happens when you give it throttle.

So if you are going down the street at 50, and take your foot off the gas pedal, noise goes away. If you just give it a little gas, noise returns.

If you have it in neutral coasting, no noise.  If you are engine braking, no noise. The noise is ONLY if you have your foot on the gas in the slightest.

Note, there is also no noticeable noise in 1st or 2nd gear.

I am thinking that the original shop did something to the car to make it start this noise, knowing she would take it back there to get it fixed and that it's a simple fix.

I would love to be able to fix this as it is a hard working girl that doesn't have much money and really takes care of her car.  She is also a good friend of my fiancee, so it would be bonus points for me. 8>)

Thanks and I hope everyone takes a moment to think about all the Soldier's that gave their lives to protect our freedoms, (no matter what country you are from.)

Have a great weekend!

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Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============8131567425154945009== --00000000000098665f0635f72067 Have you checked the differential(s) and drive shafts? My TR6 had an annoying transmission noise that, after a rebuild, turned out to be in the diff. Noises in a car are notoriously hard to track down by sitting inside. On Sun, May 25, 2025, 08:47 Moose wrote: > Braintrust, > > I don't mess with transmissions at all, so I'm in the dark here. > Hopefully someone has the answer and it's an easy fix. > > The issue, 2017 Jeep Patriot with a 5 speed manual transmission makes a > 'whirring' sound when driving in 3rd gear or higher. > > Started about a year ago, when car was picked up from a franchise mechanic > shop. (owner of car is a single woman without much money.) > > When she called them back they where like, "Well, we would have to charge > you to look at it." So since she already suspected they caused the issues, > she didn't want to give them more money. > > She brought it to another shop and they said, "You need a new > transmission." That will more than likely exceed the valve of the Jeep. So > they just did a fluid change, and that was it. Note, in their carfax > report, they listed that they "installed a new transmission" in addition to > the fluid change, so I don't trust them either. > > It's a manual 5 speed. I checked the fluid level and it is exactly where > it should be. So I did a road test. > > Here is the crazy part. > There is NOTHING that I can feel that would indicate any transmission > problems. No slipping, no chucking, it shifts smooth and pulls strong. No > vibrations. The only thing is that noise, and that ONLY happens when you > give it throttle. > > So if you are going down the street at 50, and take your foot off the gas > pedal, noise goes away. If you just give it a little gas, noise returns. > > If you have it in neutral coasting, no noise. If you are engine braking, > no noise. The noise is ONLY if you have your foot on the gas in the > slightest. > > Note, there is also no noticeable noise in 1st or 2nd gear. > > I am thinking that the original shop did something to the car to make it > start this noise, knowing she would take it back there to get it fixed and > that it's a simple fix. > > I would love to be able to fix this as it is a hard working girl that > doesn't have much money and really takes care of her car. She is also a > good friend of my fiancee, so it would be bonus points for me. 8>) > > Thanks and I hope everyone takes a moment to think about all the Soldier's > that gave their lives to protect our freedoms, (no matter what country you > are from.) > > Have a great weekend! > > Moose_______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate@gmail.com > > --00000000000098665f0635f72067 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Have you checked the differential(s) and drive shafts?=C2= =A0 My TR6 had an annoying transmission noise that, after a rebuild, turned= out to be in the diff.=C2=A0=C2=A0

Noises in a car are notoriously hard to track down by sitting inside.=

On Sun, May 25, 2025, 08:47 Moose <eric@megageek.com> wrote:
Braintrust= ,

I don't mess with transmission= s at all, so I'm in the dark here.=C2=A0 Hopefully someone has the answer and it&= #39;s an easy fix.

The issue, =C2=A0 2017 Jeep Patrio= t with a 5 speed manual transmission makes a 'whirring' sound when dr= iving in 3rd gear or higher.

Started about a year ago, when car= was picked up from a franchise mechanic shop. =C2=A0(owner of car is a single woman without much money.)

When she called them back they whe= re like, "Well, we would have to charge you to look at it." =C2=A0So since she already suspected they caused the issues, she didn't want to give them more money.

She brought it to another shop and= they said, "You need a new transmission." =C2=A0That will more than likely exceed the valve of the Jeep. So they just did a fluid change, and that was it.=C2=A0 Note, in their carfax report, they listed that they "installed a new transmission" in addition to the fluid change, so I don't trust them either.

It's a manual 5 speed.=C2=A0 I= checked the fluid level and it is exactly where it should be.=C2=A0 So I did a road test.

Here is the crazy part.
There is NOTHING that I can feel t= hat would indicate any transmission problems.=C2=A0 No slipping, no chucking, it shifts smooth and pulls strong.=C2=A0 No vibrations.=C2=A0 The only thing is that noise, and that ONLY happens when you give it throttle.

So if you are going down the stree= t at 50, and take your foot off the gas pedal, noise goes away. If you just give it a little gas, noise returns.

If you have it in neutral coasting= , no noise.=C2=A0 If you are engine braking, no noise. The noise is ONLY if you have your foot on the gas in the slightest.

Note, there is also no noticeable = noise in 1st or 2nd gear.

I am thinking that the original sh= op did something to the car to make it start this noise, knowing she would take it back there to get it fixed and that it's a simple fix.

I would love to be able to fix thi= s as it is a hard working girl that doesn't have much money and really ta= kes care of her car.=C2=A0 She is also a good friend of my fiancee, so it would be bonus points for me. 8>)

Thanks and I hope everyone takes a= moment to think about all the Soldier's that gave their lives to protect our f= reedoms, (no matter what country you are from.)

Have a great weekend!

Moose______________________= _________________________

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Bob asks,

>Why did she take the car to a shop in the first place?
The check engine light was on and they fixed that for her.  She doesn't remember what they said they did (nor is it in the Carfax.)  Car made no noise when she brought it in.

>I don't know what a shop could do to cause a gearbox to start
I'm not sure the noise is coming from the gear box.  It does increase with speed, but it doesn't seem like there is any problem in the tranny.  Note, she has been driving this car for about a year like this, it hasn't gotten worse.

>If you do a fluid change, drain into a really clean container
This is a great idea. I think my next steps are to hook up a mechanic's mic with 4 remotes and see where the sound is coming from, a fluid change, and see where were are after that.

>Kudos to the lady for 'driving a stick.'
And she is only 32 years old!  A 'young' lady rocking a stick shift!  8>)  (another reason I'd love to get this fixed for her.)


Moose
--=_alternative 0052C81F85258C95_=-- --===============2289615048198560655== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============2289615048198560655==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun May 25 09:41:06 2025 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61E4CA03E5 for ; Sun, 25 May 2025 09:41:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from Deep13.mail.Megageek.com (unknown [34.199.103.79]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B184A0374 for ; Sun, 25 May 2025 09:16:04 -0600 (MDT) References: To: Jeff Scarbrough type=4; name=$KeepSent From: Moose Date: Sun, 25 May 2025 11:15:27 -0400 05/25/2025 11:15:37 AM, Serialize complete at 05/25/2025 11:15:37 AM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Manual transmission issue??? Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============5113673582043810652== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0053D13D85258C95_= Jeff, this is a good idea. Will do. The reason I'm really confused is that the noise is only when you give it ANY throttle. So even if you are not accelerating (i.e. Not under load.), but just have the pedal down a little, you hear the noise. Wouldn't both the differential and drive shafts make noise all the time, or at least under load? But I plan to do a much deeper dive. Thanks again to everyone with this. Moose From: Jeff Scarbrough To: Moose Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Date: 05/25/2025 11:03 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Manual transmission issue??? Have you checked the differential(s) and drive shafts? My TR6 had an annoying transmission noise that, after a rebuild, turned out to be in the diff. Noises in a car are notoriously hard to track down by sitting inside. On Sun, May 25, 2025, 08:47 Moose wrote: Braintrust, I don't mess with transmissions at all, so I'm in the dark here. Hopefully someone has the answer and it's an easy fix. The issue, 2017 Jeep Patriot with a 5 speed manual transmission makes a 'whirring' sound when driving in 3rd gear or higher. Started about a year ago, when car was picked up from a franchise mechanic shop. (owner of car is a single woman without much money.) When she called them back they where like, "Well, we would have to charge you to look at it." So since she already suspected they caused the issues, she didn't want to give them more money. She brought it to another shop and they said, "You need a new transmission." That will more than likely exceed the valve of the Jeep. So they just did a fluid change, and that was it. Note, in their carfax report, they listed that they "installed a new transmission" in addition to the fluid change, so I don't trust them either. It's a manual 5 speed. I checked the fluid level and it is exactly where it should be. So I did a road test. Here is the crazy part. There is NOTHING that I can feel that would indicate any transmission problems. No slipping, no chucking, it shifts smooth and pulls strong. No vibrations. The only thing is that noise, and that ONLY happens when you give it throttle. So if you are going down the street at 50, and take your foot off the gas pedal, noise goes away. If you just give it a little gas, noise returns. If you have it in neutral coasting, no noise. If you are engine braking, no noise. The noise is ONLY if you have your foot on the gas in the slightest. Note, there is also no noticeable noise in 1st or 2nd gear. I am thinking that the original shop did something to the car to make it start this noise, knowing she would take it back there to get it fixed and that it's a simple fix. I would love to be able to fix this as it is a hard working girl that doesn't have much money and really takes care of her car. She is also a good friend of my fiancee, so it would be bonus points for me. 8>) Thanks and I hope everyone takes a moment to think about all the Soldier's that gave their lives to protect our freedoms, (no matter what country you are from.) Have a great weekend! Moose_______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate@gmail.com --=_alternative 0053D13D85258C95_= Jeff, this is a good idea.  Will do.

The reason I'm really confused is that the noise is only when you give it ANY throttle.  So even if you are not accelerating (i.e. Not under load.), but just have the pedal down a little, you hear the noise.

Wouldn't both the differential and drive shafts make noise all the time, or at least under load?

But I plan to do a much deeper dive.

Thanks again to everyone with this.

Moose



From:        Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail.com>
To:        Moose <eric@megageek.com>
Cc:        "shop-talk@autox.team.net" <Shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Date:        05/25/2025 11:03
Subject:        Re: [Shop-talk] Manual transmission issue???



Have you checked the differential(s) and drive shafts?  My TR6 had an annoying transmission noise that, after a rebuild, turned out to be in the diff.  

Noises in a car are notoriously hard to track down by sitting inside.

On Sun, May 25, 2025, 08:47 Moose <eric@megageek.com> wrote:
Braintrust,

I don't mess with transmissions at all, so I'm in the dark here.  Hopefully someone has the answer and it's an easy fix.

The issue,   2017 Jeep Patriot with a 5 speed manual transmission makes a 'whirring' sound when driving in 3rd gear or higher.

Started about a year ago, when car was picked up from a franchise mechanic shop.  (owner of car is a single woman without much money.)

When she called them back they where like, "Well, we would have to charge you to look at it."  So since she already suspected they caused the issues, she didn't want to give them more money.

She brought it to another shop and they said, "You need a new transmission."  That will more than likely exceed the valve of the Jeep. So they just did a fluid change, and that was it.  Note, in their carfax report, they listed that they "installed a new transmission" in addition to the fluid change, so I don't trust them either.

It's a manual 5 speed.  I checked the fluid level and it is exactly where it should be.  So I did a road test.

Here is the crazy part.
There is NOTHING that I can feel that would indicate any transmission problems.  No slipping, no chucking, it shifts smooth and pulls strong.  No vibrations.  The only thing is that noise, and that ONLY happens when you give it throttle.

So if you are going down the street at 50, and take your foot off the gas pedal, noise goes away. If you just give it a little gas, noise returns.

If you have it in neutral coasting, no noise.  If you are engine braking, no noise. The noise is ONLY if you have your foot on the gas in the slightest.

Note, there is also no noticeable noise in 1st or 2nd gear.

I am thinking that the original shop did something to the car to make it start this noise, knowing she would take it back there to get it fixed and that it's a simple fix.

I would love to be able to fix this as it is a hard working girl that doesn't have much money and really takes care of her car.  She is also a good friend of my fiancee, so it would be bonus points for me. 8>)

Thanks and I hope everyone takes a moment to think about all the Soldier's that gave their lives to protect our freedoms, (no matter what country you are from.)

Have a great weekend!

Moose_______________________________________________

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Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============7160092644159651014== --00000000000058abbb0635f7c1f2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I realize that I did not reply to the group... ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Douglas Shook Date: Sun, May 25, 2025 at 7:03=E2=80=AFAM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Manual transmission issue??? To: Eric Russell First I will say that I am not a transmission expert. I have, however, rebuilt several gearboxes including the Healey rib case in my Lotus Eleven and one in my BSA B50 motorcycle, and have listened at length to different gearbox noises. >From the description of it being gear specific and only under acceleration, If it only occurred in one gear and ticked or chattered, I would postulate that you have pitting or chipped teeth on the "drive-side" face of the main shaft and layshaft teeth for that gear. I do not know the internals of that specific gearbox, but the fact that it occurs on 3rd - 5th and it is whirring, I would suggest you have a failing bearing, probably on the layshaft. It may last for a long time, or it could spit-out some needle rollers (assuming it uses needle roller bearings on the layshaft) and have an immediate failure for those gears. I am surmising that because it does not occur in the lower gears, it mostly likely is not a mainshaft bearing. If I am correct and the bearing fails, you might be able to limp home in the lower gears as long as the rollers do not land in some inopportune location inside the gearbox. ;-) For what it is worth... ;-) Best, doug On Sun, May 25, 2025 at 6:27=E2=80=AFAM Eric Russell wrote: > I put < *2017 Jeep Patriot with a 5 speed manual transmission makes a > 'whirring' sound when driving in 3rd gear or higher * > > > > > into Google and got lots of 'hits'. I did not search for an actual answer > but maybe it's in there somewhere... > > EjR > > On Sun, May 25, 2025 at 8:40=E2=80=AFAM Moose wrote: > >> Braintrust, >> >> I don't mess with transmissions at all, so I'm in the dark here. >> Hopefully someone has the answer and it's an easy fix. >> >> The issue, 2017 Jeep Patriot with a 5 speed manual transmission makes = a >> 'whirring' sound when driving in 3rd gear or higher. >> >> Started about a year ago, when car was picked up from a franchise >> mechanic shop. (owner of car is a single woman without much money.) >> >> When she called them back they where like, "Well, we would have to charg= e >> you to look at it." So since she already suspected they caused the issu= es, >> she didn't want to give them more money. >> >> She brought it to another shop and they said, "You need a new >> transmission." That will more than likely exceed the valve of the Jeep.= So >> they just did a fluid change, and that was it. Note, in their carfax >> report, they listed that they "installed a new transmission" in addition= to >> the fluid change, so I don't trust them either. >> >> It's a manual 5 speed. I checked the fluid level and it is exactly wher= e >> it should be. So I did a road test. >> >> Here is the crazy part. >> There is NOTHING that I can feel that would indicate any transmission >> problems. No slipping, no chucking, it shifts smooth and pulls strong. = No >> vibrations. The only thing is that noise, and that ONLY happens when yo= u >> give it throttle. >> >> So if you are going down the street at 50, and take your foot off the ga= s >> pedal, noise goes away. If you just give it a little gas, noise returns. >> >> If you have it in neutral coasting, no noise. If you are engine braking= , >> no noise. The noise is ONLY if you have your foot on the gas in the >> slightest. >> >> Note, there is also no noticeable noise in 1st or 2nd gear. >> >> I am thinking that the original shop did something to the car to make it >> start this noise, knowing she would take it back there to get it fixed a= nd >> that it's a simple fix. >> >> I would love to be able to fix this as it is a hard working girl that >> doesn't have much money and really takes care of her car. She is also a >> good friend of my fiancee, so it would be bonus points for me. 8>) >> >> Thanks and I hope everyone takes a moment to think about all the >> Soldier's that gave their lives to protect our freedoms, (no matter what >> country you are from.) >> >> Have a great weekend! >> >> Moose_______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/ejrussell61@gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard@gmail.com > > --00000000000058abbb0635f7c1f2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I r= ealize that I did not reply to the group...

----------= Forwarded message ---------
From: Douglas Shook <dirtbeard@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, May 2= 5, 2025 at 7:03=E2=80=AFAM
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Manual transmission = issue???
To: Eric Russell <e= jrussell61@gmail.com>


First I will say that I am not a transmission expert.<= /div>

I have, however, rebuilt several gearboxes including the Healey rib case= =C2=A0in my Lotus Eleven and one in my BSA B50 motorcycle, and have listene= d at length to different gearbox noises.

From the description of it being= gear specific and only under acceleration, If it only occurred in one gear= and ticked or chattered, I would postulate that you have pitting or chippe= d teeth on the "drive-side" face of the main shaft and layshaft t= eeth for that gear.

I do not know the internals of that specific gearbox,= but the fact that it occurs on 3rd - 5th and it is whirring, I would sugge= st you have a failing bearing, probably on the layshaft.

It may last for = a long time, or it could spit-out some needle rollers (assuming it uses nee= dle roller=C2=A0bearings on the layshaft) and have an immediate failure for= those gears.

I am surmising that because it does not occur in the lower = gears, it mostly likely is not a mainshaft bearing. If I am correct and the= bearing fails, you might be able to limp home in the lower gears as long a= s the rollers do not land in some inopportune location inside the gearbox. = ;-)=C2=A0

For what it is worth... ;-)

Best,

doug

On Sun, May 25,= 2025 at 6:27=E2=80=AFAM Eric Russell <ejrussell61@gmail.com> wrote:
I put <=C2=A02017 Jeep Patriot with a 5 speed manual transmission makes a '= ;whirring' sound when driving in 3rd gear or higher=C2=A0> into Googl= e and got lots of 'hits'. I did not search for an actual answer but= maybe it's in there=C2=A0somewhere...=C2=A0

EjR=C2=A0

On Sun, May 25, 2025 at 8:40=E2=80=AFAM Moose <<= a href=3D"mailto:eric@megageek.com" target=3D"_blank">eric@megageek.com= > wrote:
Braintrust,

I don't mess with transmission= s at all, so I'm in the dark here.=C2=A0 Hopefully someone has the answer and it&= #39;s an easy fix.

The issue, =C2=A0 2017 Jeep Patrio= t with a 5 speed manual transmission makes a 'whirring' sound when dr= iving in 3rd gear or higher.

Started about a year ago, when car= was picked up from a franchise mechanic shop. =C2=A0(owner of car is a single woman without much money.)

When she called them back they whe= re like, "Well, we would have to charge you to look at it." =C2=A0So since she already suspected they caused the issues, she didn't want to give them more money.

She brought it to another shop and= they said, "You need a new transmission." =C2=A0That will more than likely exceed the valve of the Jeep. So they just did a fluid change, and that was it.=C2=A0 Note, in their carfax report, they listed that they "installed a new transmission" in addition to the fluid change, so I don't trust them either.

It's a manual 5 speed.=C2=A0 I= checked the fluid level and it is exactly where it should be.=C2=A0 So I did a road test.

Here is the crazy part.
There is NOTHING that I can feel t= hat would indicate any transmission problems.=C2=A0 No slipping, no chucking, it shifts smooth and pulls strong.=C2=A0 No vibrations.=C2=A0 The only thing is that noise, and that ONLY happens when you give it throttle.

So if you are going down the stree= t at 50, and take your foot off the gas pedal, noise goes away. If you just give it a little gas, noise returns.

If you have it in neutral coasting= , no noise.=C2=A0 If you are engine braking, no noise. The noise is ONLY if you have your foot on the gas in the slightest.

Note, there is also no noticeable = noise in 1st or 2nd gear.

I am thinking that the original sh= op did something to the car to make it start this noise, knowing she would take it back there to get it fixed and that it's a simple fix.

I would love to be able to fix thi= s as it is a hard working girl that doesn't have much money and really ta= kes care of her car.=C2=A0 She is also a good friend of my fiancee, so it would be bonus points for me. 8>)

Thanks and I hope everyone takes a= moment to think about all the Soldier's that gave their lives to protect our f= reedoms, (no matter what country you are from.)

Have a great weekend!

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Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============3453117762003843803== boundary="------------NvJPo3U16X4HPYet2BYmhJhI" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------NvJPo3U16X4HPYet2BYmhJhI Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit One of my Austin-Healeys has diff whine since I put in taller gears, and it whines on accel or decel, but I'll be damned if I can recall which it is offhand. The other possibility is the throw-out bearing, but it would likely whine all the time (and eventually fail outright). None of these would trigger a CEL; what was the cause of that (should be on the invoice she got from the shop)? On 5/25/2025 8:15 AM, Moose wrote: > Jeff, this is a good idea.  Will do. > > The reason I'm really confused is that the noise is only when you give > it ANY throttle.  So even if you are not accelerating (i.e. Not under > load.), but just have the pedal down a little, you hear the noise. > > Wouldn't both the differential and drive shafts make noise all the > time, or at least under load? > > But I plan to do a much deeper dive. > > Thanks again to everyone with this. > > Moose > > > > From: Jeff Scarbrough > To: Moose > Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" > Date: 05/25/2025 11:03 > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Manual transmission issue??? > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Have you checked the differential(s) and drive shafts? My TR6 had an > annoying transmission noise that, after a rebuild, turned out to be in > the diff. > > Noises in a car are notoriously hard to track down by sitting inside. > > On Sun, May 25, 2025, 08:47 Moose <_eric@megageek.com_ > Braintrust, > > I don't mess with transmissions at all, so I'm in the dark here. > Hopefully someone has the answer and it's an easy fix. > > The issue,   2017 Jeep Patriot with a 5 speed manual transmission > makes a 'whirring' sound when driving in 3rd gear or higher. > > Started about a year ago, when car was picked up from a franchise > mechanic shop.  (owner of car is a single woman without much money.) > > When she called them back they where like, "Well, we would have to > charge you to look at it."  So since she already suspected they caused > the issues, she didn't want to give them more money. > > She brought it to another shop and they said, "You need a new > transmission."  That will more than likely exceed the valve of the > Jeep. So they just did a fluid change, and that was it.  Note, in > their carfax report, they listed that they "installed a new > transmission" in addition to the fluid change, so I don't trust them > either. > > It's a manual 5 speed.  I checked the fluid level and it is exactly > where it should be.  So I did a road test. > > Here is the crazy part. > There is NOTHING that I can feel that would indicate any transmission > problems. No slipping, no chucking, it shifts smooth and pulls > strong.  No vibrations. The only thing is that noise, and that ONLY > happens when you give it throttle. > > So if you are going down the street at 50, and take your foot off the > gas pedal, noise goes away. If you just give it a little gas, noise > returns. > > If you have it in neutral coasting, no noise.  If you are engine > braking, no noise. The noise is ONLY if you have your foot on the gas > in the slightest. > > Note, there is also no noticeable noise in 1st or 2nd gear. > > I am thinking that the original shop did something to the car to make > it start this noise, knowing she would take it back there to get it > fixed and that it's a simple fix. > > I would love to be able to fix this as it is a hard working girl that > doesn't have much money and really takes care of her car.  She is also > a good friend of my fiancee, so it would be bonus points for me. 8>) > > Thanks and I hope everyone takes a moment to think about all the > Soldier's that gave their lives to protect our freedoms, (no matter > what country you are from.) > > Have a great weekend! > > Moose_______________________________________________ > _ > Donate: _http://www.team.net/donate.html_ > > Suggested annual donation  $12.96 > Archive: _http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk_ > _http://autox.team.net/archive_ > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > _http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate@gmail.com_ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bspidell@comcast.net > --------------NvJPo3U16X4HPYet2BYmhJhI Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit One of my Austin-Healeys has diff whine since I put in taller gears, and it whines on accel or decel, but I'll be damned if I can recall which it is offhand. The other possibility is the throw-out bearing, but it would likely whine all the time (and eventually fail outright).

None of these would trigger a CEL; what was the cause of that (should be on the invoice she got from the shop)?


On 5/25/2025 8:15 AM, Moose wrote:
Jeff, this is a good idea.  Will do.

The reason I'm really confused is that the noise is only when you give it ANY throttle.  So even if you are not accelerating (i.e. Not under load.), but just have the pedal down a little, you hear the noise.

Wouldn't both the differential and drive shafts make noise all the time, or at least under load?

But I plan to do a much deeper dive.

Thanks again to everyone with this.

Moose



From:        Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail.com>
To:        Moose <eric@megageek.com>
Cc:        "shop-talk@autox.team.net" <Shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Date:        05/25/2025 11:03
Subject:        Re: [Shop-talk] Manual transmission issue???



Have you checked the differential(s) and drive shafts?  My TR6 had an annoying transmission noise that, after a rebuild, turned out to be in the diff.  

Noises in a car are notoriously hard to track down by sitting inside.

On Sun, May 25, 2025, 08:47 Moose <eric@megageek.com> wrote:
Braintrust,

I don't mess with transmissions at all, so I'm in the dark here.  Hopefully someone has the answer and it's an easy fix.

The issue,   2017 Jeep Patriot with a 5 speed manual transmission makes a 'whirring' sound when driving in 3rd gear or higher.

Started about a year ago, when car was picked up from a franchise mechanic shop.  (owner of car is a single woman without much money.)

When she called them back they where like, "Well, we would have to charge you to look at it."  So since she already suspected they caused the issues, she didn't want to give them more money.

She brought it to another shop and they said, "You need a new transmission."  That will more than likely exceed the valve of the Jeep. So they just did a fluid change, and that was it.  Note, in their carfax report, they listed that they "installed a new transmission" in addition to the fluid change, so I don't trust them either.

It's a manual 5 speed.  I checked the fluid level and it is exactly where it should be.  So I did a road test.

Here is the crazy part.
There is NOTHING that I can feel that would indicate any transmission problems.  No slipping, no chucking, it shifts smooth and pulls strong.  No vibrations.  The only thing is that noise, and that ONLY happens when you give it throttle.

So if you are going down the street at 50, and take your foot off the gas pedal, noise goes away. If you just give it a little gas, noise returns.

If you have it in neutral coasting, no noise.  If you are engine braking, no noise. The noise is ONLY if you have your foot on the gas in the slightest.

Note, there is also no noticeable noise in 1st or 2nd gear.

I am thinking that the original shop did something to the car to make it start this noise, knowing she would take it back there to get it fixed and that it's a simple fix.

I would love to be able to fix this as it is a hard working girl that doesn't have much money and really takes care of her car.  She is also a good friend of my fiancee, so it would be bonus points for me. 8>)

Thanks and I hope everyone takes a moment to think about all the Soldier's that gave their lives to protect our freedoms, (no matter what country you are from.)

Have a great weekend!

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Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5141710690831179069== boundary=----RRPWCVEL53NX7JC2PZZV7Z8GGC0DM2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------RRPWCVEL53NX7JC2PZZV7Z8GGC0DM2 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Being only in higher gears suggests the gearbox - if it was the diff that w= ould surely be the same in all gears - potentially more in lower gears due = to increased torque=2E My bet would be on layshaft bearing at the end of th= e cluster closest to where the higher gears are=2E Can't see how it would s= uddenly appear after shop visit though, unless they did some really stupid = like draining the fluid and driving it before refilling - or wrong grade fl= uid and damage done so the second change didn't fix it=2E On 25 May 2025 16:15:27 BST, Moose wrote: >Jeff, this is a good idea=2E Will do=2E > >The reason I'm really confused is that the noise is only when you give it= =20 >ANY throttle=2E So even if you are not accelerating (i=2Ee=2E Not under = load=2E),=20 >but just have the pedal down a little, you hear the noise=2E > >Wouldn't both the differential and drive shafts make noise all the time,= =20 >or at least under load? > >But I plan to do a much deeper dive=2E > >Thanks again to everyone with this=2E > >Moose > > > >From: Jeff Scarbrough >To: Moose >Cc: "shop-talk@autox=2Eteam=2Enet" >Date: 05/25/2025 11:03 >Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Manual transmission issue??? > > > >Have you checked the differential(s) and drive shafts? My TR6 had an=20 >annoying transmission noise that, after a rebuild, turned out to be in th= e=20 >diff=2E =20 > >Noises in a car are notoriously hard to track down by sitting inside=2E > >On Sun, May 25, 2025, 08:47 Moose wrote: >Braintrust,=20 > >I don't mess with transmissions at all, so I'm in the dark here=2E =20 >Hopefully someone has the answer and it's an easy fix=2E=20 > >The issue, 2017 Jeep Patriot with a 5 speed manual transmission makes a= =20 >'whirring' sound when driving in 3rd gear or higher=2E=20 > >Started about a year ago, when car was picked up from a franchise mechani= c=20 >shop=2E (owner of car is a single woman without much money=2E)=20 > >When she called them back they where like, "Well, we would have to charge= =20 >you to look at it=2E" So since she already suspected they caused the=20 >issues, she didn't want to give them more money=2E=20 > >She brought it to another shop and they said, "You need a new=20 >transmission=2E" That will more than likely exceed the valve of the Jeep= =2E=20 >So they just did a fluid change, and that was it=2E Note, in their carfa= x=20 >report, they listed that they "installed a new transmission" in addition= =20 >to the fluid change, so I don't trust them either=2E=20 > >It's a manual 5 speed=2E I checked the fluid level and it is exactly whe= re=20 >it should be=2E So I did a road test=2E=20 > >Here is the crazy part=2E=20 >There is NOTHING that I can feel that would indicate any transmission=20 >problems=2E No slipping, no chucking, it shifts smooth and pulls strong= =2E =20 >No vibrations=2E The only thing is that noise, and that ONLY happens whe= n=20 >you give it throttle=2E=20 > >So if you are going down the street at 50, and take your foot off the gas= =20 >pedal, noise goes away=2E If you just give it a little gas, noise returns= =2E=20 > >If you have it in neutral coasting, no noise=2E If you are engine brakin= g,=20 >no noise=2E The noise is ONLY if you have your foot on the gas in the=20 >slightest=2E=20 > >Note, there is also no noticeable noise in 1st or 2nd gear=2E=20 > >I am thinking that the original shop did something to the car to make it= =20 >start this noise, knowing she would take it back there to get it fixed an= d=20 >that it's a simple fix=2E=20 > >I would love to be able to fix this as it is a hard working girl that=20 >doesn't have much money and really takes care of her car=2E She is also = a=20 >good friend of my fiancee, so it would be bonus points for me=2E 8>)=20 > >Thanks and I hope everyone takes a moment to think about all the Soldier'= s=20 >that gave their lives to protect our freedoms, (no matter what country yo= u=20 >are from=2E)=20 > >Have a great weekend!=20 > >Moose_______________________________________________ > >Shop-talk@autox=2Eteam=2Enet >Donate: http://www=2Eteam=2Enet/donate=2Ehtml >Suggested annual donation $12=2E96 >Archive: http://www=2Eteam=2Enet/pipermail/shop-talk=20 >http://autox=2Eteam=2Enet/archive > >Unsubscribe/Manage:=20 >http://autox=2Eteam=2Enet/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate@gmail=2Ecom > --=20 Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail=2E Please excuse my brevity=2E ------RRPWCVEL53NX7JC2PZZV7Z8GGC0DM2 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Being only in higher gears sugge= sts the gearbox - if it was the diff that would surely be the same in all g= ears - potentially more in lower gears due to increased torque=2E My bet wo= uld be on layshaft bearing at the end of the cluster closest to where the h= igher gears are=2E Can't see how it would suddenly appear after shop visit = though, unless they did some really stupid like draining the fluid and driv= ing it before refilling - or wrong grade fluid and damage done so the secon= d change didn't fix it=2E


On 25 May 2025 16:15:27 BST, Moose <eric@megageek=2Ecom> wr= ote:
Jeff, this is a good idea=2E  Wi= ll do=2E

The reason I'm really confused is= that the noise is only when you give it ANY throttle=2E  So even if you ar= e not accelerating (i=2Ee=2E Not under load=2E), but just have the pedal dow= n a little, you hear the noise=2E

Wouldn't both the differential and drive shafts make noise all the time, or at least under load?

But I plan to do a much deeper di= ve=2E

Thanks again to everyone with thi= s=2E

Moose



From:   &n= bsp;    Jeff Scarbrough <fish= plate@gmail=2Ecom>
To:   &nbs= p;    Moose <eric@megageek= =2Ecom>
Cc:   &nbs= p;    "shop-talk@autox=2Eteam= =2Enet" <Shop-talk@autox=2Eteam=2Enet>
Date:   &n= bsp;    05/25/2025 11:03
Subject:  =      Re: [Shop-talk] Manual transmission issue???



Have you checked the differential(s) and drive shafts= ?  My TR6 had an annoying transmission noise that, after a rebuild, turned out to be in the diff=2E  

Noises in a car are notoriously hard to track down by sitting inside=2E

On Sun, May 25, 2025, 08:47 Moose <eric@meg= ageek=2Ecom> wrote:
Braintrust,

I don't mess with transmissions at all, so I'm in the dark here=2E  Hopefully someone has the answer and it's an easy fix=2E

The issue,   2017 Jeep Patriot with a 5 speed manual transmission makes a 'whirring' sound when driving in 3rd gear or higher=2E

Started about a year ago, when car was picked up from a franchise mechanic shop=2E  (owner of car is a single woman without much money=2E)

When she called them back they where like, "Well, we would have to charge you to look at it=2E"  So since she already suspected they caused the issues, she didn't want to give them more money=2E

She brought it to another shop and they said, "You need a new transmission= =2E"  That will more than likely exceed the valve of the Jeep=2E So they just did a fluid change, and that was it=2E  Note, in their carfax re= port, they listed that they "installed a new transmission" in addition to the fluid change, so I don't trust them either=2E

It's a manual 5 speed=2E  I checked the fluid level and it is exactly where it should be=2E  So I did a road test=2E

Here is the crazy part=2E
There is NOTHING that I can feel that would indicate any transmission prob= lems=2E  No slipping, no chucking, it shifts smooth and pulls strong=2E  No vi= brations=2E  The only thing is that noise, and that ONLY happens when you give it throt= tle=2E

So if you are going down the street at 50, and take your foot off the gas pedal, noise goes away=2E If you just give it a little gas, noise returns= =2E

If you have it in neutral coasting, no noise=2E  If you are engine br= aking, no noise=2E The noise is ONLY if you have your foot on the gas in the slig= htest=2E

Note, there is also no noticeable noise in 1st or 2nd gear=2E

I am thinking that the original shop did something to the car to make it start this noise, knowing she would take it back there to get it fixed and that it's a simple fix=2E

I would love to be able to fix this as it is a hard working girl that does= n't have much money and really takes care of her car=2E  She is also a go= od friend of my fiancee, so it would be bonus points for me=2E 8>)<= font size=3D"3">

Thanks and I hope everyone takes a moment to think about all the Soldier's that gave their lives to protect our freedoms, (no matter what country you are from=2E)

Have a great weekend!

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Peace, Pat

Pat Horne 
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On May 25, 2025, at 1= 0:51=E2=80=AFAM, Moose <eric@megageek.com> wrote:

=EF=BB=BFJeff, this is a good= idea.  Will do.

The reason I'm really confused is t= hat the noise is only when you give it ANY throttle.  So even if you are not accelerating (i.e. Not under load.), but just have the pedal down a little, you hear the noise.

Wouldn't both the differential and drive shafts make noise all the time, or at least under load?

But I plan to do a much deeper dive= .

Thanks again to everyone with this.=

Moose



From:   &nbs= p;    Jeff Scarbrough <fishpl= ate@gmail.com>
To:    =    Moose <eric@megageek.co= m>
Cc:    =    "shop-talk@autox.team.net"= <Shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Date:   &nbs= p;    05/25/2025 11:03
Subject:   &= nbsp;    Re: [Shop-talk] Manual transmission issue???



Have you checked the differential(s) and drive shafts?&= nbsp; My TR6 had an annoying transmission noise that, after a rebuild, turned out to be in the diff.  

Noises in a car are notoriously hard to track down by sitting inside.

On Sun, May 25, 2025, 08:47 Moose <eric@megageek.= com> wrote:
Braintrust,=

I don't mess with transmissions at all, so I'm in the dark here.  Hopefully someone has the answer and it's an easy fix.

The issue,   2017 Jeep Patriot with a 5 speed manual transmission makes a 'whirring' sound when driving in 3rd gear or higher.

Started about a year ago, when car was picked up from a franchise mechanic shop.  (owner of car is a single woman without much money.)

When she called them back they where like, "Well, we would have to charge you to look at it."  So since she already suspected they caused the issues, she didn't want to give them more money.

She brought it to another shop and they said, "You need a new transmission."=  That will more than likely exceed the valve of the Jeep. So they just did a fluid change, and that was it.  Note, in their carfax report= , they listed that they "installed a new transmission" in addition to the fluid change, so I don't trust them either.

It's a manual 5 speed.  I checked the fluid level and it is exactly where it should be.  So I did a road test.
=
Here is the crazy part.
There is NOTHING that I can feel that would indicate any transmission proble= ms.  No slipping, no chucking, it shifts smooth and pulls strong.  No vibrat= ions.  The only thing is that noise, and that ONLY happens when you give it throttl= e.

So if you are going down the street at 50, and take your foot off the gas pedal, noise goes away. If you just give it a little gas, noise returns.

If you have it in neutral coasting, no noise.  If you are engine brakin= g, no noise. The noise is ONLY if you have your foot on the gas in the slightes= t.

Note, there is also no noticeable noise in 1st or 2nd gear.

I am thinking that the original shop did something to the car to make it start this noise, knowing she would take it back there to get it fixed and that it's a simple fix.

I would love to be able to fix this as it is a hard working girl that doesn'= t have much money and really takes care of her car.  She is also a good friend of my fiancee, so it would be bonus points for me. 8>)

Thanks and I hope everyone takes a moment to think about all the Soldier's that gave their lives to protect our freedoms, (no matter what country you are from.)

Have a great weekend!

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On May 25, 2025, at 10:51=E2=80=AFAM, Moose <eric@megag= eek.com> wrote:

=EF=BB=BFJeff, this is a good idea.  Will do.

The reason I'm really confused is t= hat the noise is only when you give it ANY throttle.  So even if you are not accelerating (i.e. Not under load.), but just have the pedal down a little, you hear the noise.

Wouldn't both the differential and drive shafts make noise all the time, or at least under load?

But I plan to do a much deeper dive= .

Thanks again to everyone with this.=

Moose



From:   &nbs= p;    Jeff Scarbrough <fishpl= ate@gmail.com>
To:    =    Moose <eric@megageek.co= m>
Cc:    =    "shop-talk@autox.team.net"= <Shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Date:   &nbs= p;    05/25/2025 11:03
Subject:   &= nbsp;    Re: [Shop-talk] Manual transmission issue???



Have you checked the differential(s) and drive shafts?&= nbsp; My TR6 had an annoying transmission noise that, after a rebuild, turned out to be in the diff.  

Noises in a car are notoriously hard to track down by sitting inside.

On Sun, May 25, 2025, 08:47 Moose <eric@megageek.= com> wrote:
Braintrust,=

I don't mess with transmissions at all, so I'm in the dark here.  Hopefully someone has the answer and it's an easy fix.

The issue,   2017 Jeep Patriot with a 5 speed manual transmission makes a 'whirring' sound when driving in 3rd gear or higher.

Started about a year ago, when car was picked up from a franchise mechanic shop.  (owner of car is a single woman without much money.)

When she called them back they where like, "Well, we would have to charge you to look at it."  So since she already suspected they caused the issues, she didn't want to give them more money.

She brought it to another shop and they said, "You need a new transmission."=  That will more than likely exceed the valve of the Jeep. So they just did a fluid change, and that was it.  Note, in their carfax report= , they listed that they "installed a new transmission" in addition to the fluid change, so I don't trust them either.

It's a manual 5 speed.  I checked the fluid level and it is exactly where it should be.  So I did a road test.
=
Here is the crazy part.
There is NOTHING that I can feel that would indicate any transmission proble= ms.  No slipping, no chucking, it shifts smooth and pulls strong.  No vibrat= ions.  The only thing is that noise, and that ONLY happens when you give it throttl= e.

So if you are going down the street at 50, and take your foot off the gas pedal, noise goes away. If you just give it a little gas, noise returns.

If you have it in neutral coasting, no noise.  If you are engine brakin= g, no noise. The noise is ONLY if you have your foot on the gas in the slightes= t.

Note, there is also no noticeable noise in 1st or 2nd gear.

I am thinking that the original shop did something to the car to make it start this noise, knowing she would take it back there to get it fixed and that it's a simple fix.

I would love to be able to fix this as it is a hard working girl that doesn'= t have much money and really takes care of her car.  She is also a good friend of my fiancee, so it would be bonus points for me. 8>)

Thanks and I hope everyone takes a moment to think about all the Soldier's that gave their lives to protect our freedoms, (no matter what country you are from.)

Have a great weekend!

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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 632cb925c3d42808b394be11a55dd21f; Mon, 26 May 2025 00:53:30 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 25 May 2025 20:53:29 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: Content-Language: en-US From: Jim Juhas mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Manual transmission issue??? Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============4181217195636361448== boundary="------------sQyQ9gNEAaJDDTgdO4BAaXbo" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------sQyQ9gNEAaJDDTgdO4BAaXbo Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Helical gears present an axial load, usually addressed with thrust bearings. Failing ball bearings can make a whirring sound, so a ball bearing that handles the axial thrust could be the culprit. I'm guessing that the axial load would be greater in higher gears so that's where it's noticeable. Your deeper dive into noise analysis may reveal fainter noise in the lower gears. Again, mostly a guess, but I used to replace bearings on one of my 3-cylinder Saabs quite regularly because of noise. The good news, I suppose, is that it seems unlikely  that such a condition could have been the fault of the repair shop. I don't know how you could cause that damage from the outside. My solution would be to hunt for a salvage yard transmission. And help her with the labor. On 5/25/2025 12:52 PM, Pat Horne wrote: > Also, try up hill & down. > > > Pat Horne > We support Habitat for Humanity > > > On May 25, 2025, at 10:51 AM, Moose wrote: > > Jeff, this is a good idea.  Will do. > > The reason I'm really confused is that the noise is only when you give > it ANY throttle.  So even if you are not accelerating (i.e. Not under > load.), but just have the pedal down a little, you hear the noise. > > Wouldn't both the differential and drive shafts make noise all the > time, or at least under load? > > But I plan to do a much deeper dive. > > Thanks again to everyone with this. > > Moose > > > > From: Jeff Scarbrough > To: Moose > Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" > Date: 05/25/2025 11:03 > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Manual transmission issue??? > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Have you checked the differential(s) and drive shafts? My TR6 had an > annoying transmission noise that, after a rebuild, turned out to be in > the diff. > > Noises in a car are notoriously hard to track down by sitting inside. > > On Sun, May 25, 2025, 08:47 Moose <_eric@megageek.com_ > Braintrust, > > I don't mess with transmissions at all, so I'm in the dark here. > Hopefully someone has the answer and it's an easy fix. > > The issue,   2017 Jeep Patriot with a 5 speed manual transmission > makes a 'whirring' sound when driving in 3rd gear or higher. > > Started about a year ago, when car was picked up from a franchise > mechanic shop.  (owner of car is a single woman without much money.) > > When she called them back they where like, "Well, we would have to > charge you to look at it."  So since she already suspected they caused > the issues, she didn't want to give them more money. > > She brought it to another shop and they said, "You need a new > transmission."  That will more than likely exceed the valve of the > Jeep. So they just did a fluid change, and that was it.  Note, in > their carfax report, they listed that they "installed a new > transmission" in addition to the fluid change, so I don't trust them > either. > > It's a manual 5 speed.  I checked the fluid level and it is exactly > where it should be.  So I did a road test. > > Here is the crazy part. > There is NOTHING that I can feel that would indicate any transmission > problems. No slipping, no chucking, it shifts smooth and pulls > strong.  No vibrations. The only thing is that noise, and that ONLY > happens when you give it throttle. > > So if you are going down the street at 50, and take your foot off the > gas pedal, noise goes away. If you just give it a little gas, noise > returns. > > If you have it in neutral coasting, no noise.  If you are engine > braking, no noise. The noise is ONLY if you have your foot on the gas > in the slightest. > > Note, there is also no noticeable noise in 1st or 2nd gear. > > I am thinking that the original shop did something to the car to make > it start this noise, knowing she would take it back there to get it > fixed and that it's a simple fix. > > I would love to be able to fix this as it is a hard working girl that > doesn't have much money and really takes care of her car.  She is also > a good friend of my fiancee, so it would be bonus points for me. 8>) > > Thanks and I hope everyone takes a moment to think about all the > Soldier's that gave their lives to protect our freedoms, (no matter > what country you are from.) > > Have a great weekend! > > Moose_______________________________________________ > _ > Donate: _http://www.team.net/donate.html_ > > Suggested annual donation  $12.96 > Archive: _http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk_ > _http://autox.team.net/archive_ > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > _http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate@gmail.com_ > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation  $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas@icloud.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/james.f.juhas@snet.net > --------------sQyQ9gNEAaJDDTgdO4BAaXbo boundary="------------7zVBhKTpsPuca3uYj2PSSAUc" --------------7zVBhKTpsPuca3uYj2PSSAUc Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Helical gears present an axial load, usually addressed with thrust bearings. Failing ball bearings can make a whirring sound, so a ball bearing that handles the axial thrust could be the culprit. I'm guessing that the axial load would be greater in higher gears so that's where it's noticeable. Your deeper dive into noise analysis may reveal fainter noise in the lower gears. Again, mostly a guess, but I used to replace bearings on one of my 3-cylinder Saabs quite regularly because of noise.

The good news, I suppose, is that it seems unlikely  that such a condition could have been the fault of the repair shop. I don't know how you could cause that damage from the outside.

My solution would be to hunt for a salvage yard transmission. And help her with the labor.

On 5/25/2025 12:52 PM, Pat Horne wrote:
Also, try up hill & down. 


Pat Horne 
We support Habitat for Humanity


On May 25, 2025, at 10:51 AM, Moose <eric@megageek.com> wrote:

Jeff, this is a good idea.  Will do.

The reason I'm really confused is that the noise is only when you give it ANY throttle.  So even if you are not accelerating (i.e. Not under load.), but just have the pedal down a little, you hear the noise.

Wouldn't both the differential and drive shafts make noise all the time, or at least under load?

But I plan to do a much deeper dive.

Thanks again to everyone with this.

Moose



From:        Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail.com>
To:        Moose <eric@megageek.com>
Cc:        "shop-talk@autox.team.net" <Shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Date:        05/25/2025 11:03
Subject:        Re: [Shop-talk] Manual transmission issue???



Have you checked the differential(s) and drive shafts?  My TR6 had an annoying transmission noise that, after a rebuild, turned out to be in the diff.  

Noises in a car are notoriously hard to track down by sitting inside.

On Sun, May 25, 2025, 08:47 Moose <eric@megageek.com> wrote:
Braintrust,

I don't mess with transmissions at all, so I'm in the dark here.  Hopefully someone has the answer and it's an easy fix.

The issue,   2017 Jeep Patriot with a 5 speed manual transmission makes a 'whirring' sound when driving in 3rd gear or higher.

Started about a year ago, when car was picked up from a franchise mechanic shop.  (owner of car is a single woman without much money.)

When she called them back they where like, "Well, we would have to charge you to look at it."  So since she already suspected they caused the issues, she didn't want to give them more money.

She brought it to another shop and they said, "You need a new transmission."  That will more than likely exceed the valve of the Jeep. So they just did a fluid change, and that was it.  Note, in their carfax report, they listed that they "installed a new transmission" in addition to the fluid change, so I don't trust them either.

It's a manual 5 speed.  I checked the fluid level and it is exactly where it should be.  So I did a road test.

Here is the crazy part.
There is NOTHING that I can feel that would indicate any transmission problems.  No slipping, no chucking, it shifts smooth and pulls strong.  No vibrations.  The only thing is that noise, and that ONLY happens when you give it throttle.

So if you are going down the street at 50, and take your foot off the gas pedal, noise goes away. If you just give it a little gas, noise returns.

If you have it in neutral coasting, no noise.  If you are engine braking, no noise. The noise is ONLY if you have your foot on the gas in the slightest.

Note, there is also no noticeable noise in 1st or 2nd gear.

I am thinking that the original shop did something to the car to make it start this noise, knowing she would take it back there to get it fixed and that it's a simple fix.

I would love to be able to fix this as it is a hard working girl that doesn't have much money and really takes care of her car.  She is also a good friend of my fiancee, so it would be bonus points for me. 8>)

Thanks and I hope everyone takes a moment to think about all the Soldier's that gave their lives to protect our freedoms, (no matter what country you are from.)

Have a great weekend!

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shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon May 26 08:08:05 2025 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 719BCA0A44 for ; Mon, 26 May 2025 08:08:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from Deep13.mail.Megageek.com (unknown [34.199.103.79]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E333A08EC for ; Mon, 26 May 2025 08:03:46 -0600 (MDT) References: To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net type=4; name=$KeepSent From: eric@megageek.com Date: Mon, 26 May 2025 10:03:11 -0400 05/26/2025 10:03:19 AM, Serialize complete at 05/26/2025 10:03:19 AM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Fwd: Manual transmission issue??? Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============8725989393478429271== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 004D32AA85258C96_= Doug writes... >In addition to all that has been said already, I would be quite confident in it being gearbox-oriented primarily due to it being gear-specific. After some of the replies, I am considering that the noise *may* be present at lower gears, but just not as loud. FWIW, I'm mostly dead these days, which is good considering I don't care what most people say! 8>) (present company excluded!) Once I get the car back, I'll have someone with much better ears listen as well. Thanks again for all the suggestions. This one baffles me and I'm curious to find exactly what it is now, just to answer the mystery! Moose --=_alternative 004D32AA85258C96_= Doug writes...

>In addition to all that has been said already, I would be quite confident in it being gearbox-oriented primarily due to it being gear-specific.

After some of the replies, I am considering that the noise *may* be present at lower gears, but just not as loud.  FWIW, I'm mostly dead these days, which is good considering I don't care what most people say!  8>)  (present company excluded!)

Once I get the car back, I'll have someone with much better ears listen as well.

Thanks again for all the suggestions.  This one baffles me and I'm curious to find exactly what it is now, just to answer the mystery!

Moose
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I assume you meant mostly deaf, as opposed to mostly= dead!!=C2=A0 :)=C2=A0

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On Mon, May 26, 2025, 7:10=E2=80=AFAM <eric@megageek.com> wrote:
Doug writes...

>In addition to all that has been said already, I would be quite confident in it being gearbox-oriented primarily due to it being gear-specific.

After some of the replies, I am considering that the noise *may* be present at lower gears, but just not as loud.=C2=A0 FWIW, I'm mostly dead these days, wh= ich is good considering I don't care what most people say! =C2=A08>) =C2= =A0(present company excluded!)

Once I get the car back, I'll have someone with much better ears listen as well.

Thanks again for all the suggestions.=C2=A0 This one baffles me and I'm curious to find exactly what it is now, just to answer the mystery!

Moose
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--000000000000c9098c06360c1a1e-- --===============7621682225304268671== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============7621682225304268671==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed May 28 14:22:08 2025 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA13CA08D0 for ; Wed, 28 May 2025 14:22:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from Deep13.mail.Megageek.com (unknown [34.199.103.79]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBEC8A07EF for ; Wed, 28 May 2025 14:17:51 -0600 (MDT) To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net type=4; name=$KeepSent From: Moose Date: Wed, 28 May 2025 16:17:14 -0400 05/28/2025 04:17:23 PM, Serialize complete at 05/28/2025 04:17:23 PM Subject: [Shop-talk] Garage door opener issue Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============4291160772931941082== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 006F722785258C98_= I have a 23 year old Raynor Powerhoist commercial unit. (it's for a 14' X 14' door.) Just out of nowhere, it started going up a foot and closing. Over and over again. I have all the remotes, and nothing changed. I also disconnected the door and the unit still does this so it isn't a door/spring/resistance issue. I live in the middle of nowhere, so there isn't any interference possible. There are no unusable noises. Unit is working fine opening and closing even with the door connected. No other noise or issues. I haven't touched this unit, the door or the track in a long time. Anyone got any ideas? Thanks in advance Moose --=_alternative 006F722785258C98_= I have a 23 year old Raynor Powerhoist commercial unit. (it's for a 14' X 14' door.)

Just out of nowhere, it started going up a foot and closing.  Over and over again.  
I have all the remotes, and nothing changed.  
I also disconnected the door and the unit still does this so it isn't a door/spring/resistance issue.
I live in the middle of nowhere, so there isn't any interference possible.
There are no unusable noises. Unit is working fine opening and closing even with the door connected. No other noise or issues.
I haven't touched this unit, the door or the track in a long time.

Anyone got any ideas?

Thanks in advance

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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID c3e0989d96e8b0e345b9315ff258b71f; Wed, 28 May 2025 20:46:14 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 28 May 2025 16:46:12 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: Content-Language: en-US From: Jim Juhas mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Garage door opener issue Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============6474100328589973980== boundary="------------wETNLYDyIvAQr9LztPpJZ1aF" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------wETNLYDyIvAQr9LztPpJZ1aF Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I had a similar thing happen with an 8 year-old Liftmaster unit that drives on the shaft that holds the torsion springs. Lots of safety features so I am not sure my experience is relevant, but there might be similarities. It turns out that the Liftmaster has a device inside that senses that the cables are actually being driven. It's an electronic sensor that confirms the drive is driving. They call it a "Traveler." Same symptoms, but mine started out only going a few feet and reversing, and then it got worse and only moved an inch or so. I called the manufacturer and the rep identified this module as the problem. They sent me a new one at no cost, with elaborate instructions on installation, even though the unit was 3 years out of warranty. However, by the time it arrived, the opener seemed to heal itself after I went through their prescribed diagnosis procedure (involving counting the sequence of blinking LEDs) so I haven't had reason yet to install the new part. The commonality in my situation and yours MIGHT be that there is a device that senses the movement of the door in some way. In my case it appears to be an electronic pickup that knows when a drive wheel is turning. Mine was obviously confused. Jim On 5/28/2025 4:17 PM, Moose wrote: > I have a 23 year old Raynor Powerhoist commercial unit. (it's for a > 14' X 14' door.) > > Just out of nowhere, it started going up a foot and closing.  Over and > over again. > I have all the remotes, and nothing changed. > I also disconnected the door and the unit still does this so it isn't > a door/spring/resistance issue. > I live in the middle of nowhere, so there isn't any interference > possible. > There are no unusable noises. Unit is working fine opening and closing > even with the door connected. No other noise or issues. > I haven't touched this unit, the door or the track in a long time. > > Anyone got any ideas? > > Thanks in advance > > Moose > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/james.f.juhas@snet.net > --------------wETNLYDyIvAQr9LztPpJZ1aF boundary="------------hJVGJIcGVcB2A0AC0qfLdhoD" --------------hJVGJIcGVcB2A0AC0qfLdhoD Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I had a similar thing happen with an 8 year-old Liftmaster unit that drives on the shaft that holds the torsion springs. Lots of safety features so I am not sure my experience is relevant, but there might be similarities.

It turns out that the Liftmaster has a device inside that senses that the cables are actually being driven. It's an electronic sensor that confirms the drive is driving. They call it a "Traveler." Same symptoms, but mine started out only going a few feet and reversing, and then it got worse and only moved an inch or so.

I called the manufacturer and the rep identified this module as the problem. They sent me a new one at no cost, with elaborate instructions on installation, even though the unit was 3 years out of warranty.

However, by the time it arrived, the opener seemed to heal itself after I went through their prescribed diagnosis procedure (involving counting the sequence of blinking LEDs) so I haven't had reason yet to install the new part.

The commonality in my situation and yours MIGHT be that there is a device that senses the movement of the door in some way. In my case it appears to be an electronic pickup that knows when a drive wheel is turning. Mine was obviously confused.

Jim

On 5/28/2025 4:17 PM, Moose wrote:
I have a 23 year old Raynor Powerhoist commercial unit. (it's for a 14' X 14' door.)

Just out of nowhere, it started going up a foot and closing.  Over and over again.  
I have all the remotes, and nothing changed.  
I also disconnected the door and the unit still does this so it isn't a door/spring/resistance issue.
I live in the middle of nowhere, so there isn't any interference possible.
There are no unusable noises. Unit is working fine opening and closing even with the door connected. No other noise or issues.
I haven't touched this unit, the door or the track in a long time.

Anyone got any ideas?

Thanks in advance

Moose 
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