Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Battery impacts, was: weak impact

From: Scott Hall <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2025 17:13:46 -0600

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I forgot--I got a DeWalt cordless chainsaw for Christmas, so maybe I do
have a battery ecosystem already. Though I won't be upset if DeWalt 's
impact isn't the way to go. I haven't opened up the saw yet since it's been
snowy. I *think* it uses 20v batteries. I'll look to confirm when I get
home.

A battery chainsaw. I remember 8-track tapes. And we're buying my wife a
battery-powered car, with OEM 22-inch rims. The world has changed. I think
I'm old now.

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From: Scott Hall <[email-masked]>
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Subject: Battery impacts, was: weak impact
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Followed all the suggestions, still not budging the lug nuts. It's running
off a regular yellow coiled air line, straight from the compressor tank.

Everyone is so bullish on the battery impacts maybe I need one.

So...which one? I didn't have any other battery tools (lost in the same
fire that got my air tools), so I don't have an existing battery ecosystem
I want to use.

Twenty years ago I had a Milwaukee 18v impact that was no more impressive
than the 2131 and I didn't use it except at the track. I assume they've
improved since then.

Are they all about the same or is one clearly better than the others?

Thanks fellas.

Scott

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<div dir=3D"auto">I forgot--I got a DeWalt cordless chainsaw for Christmas,=
 so maybe I do have a battery ecosystem already. Though I won&#39;t be upse=
t if DeWalt &#39;s impact isn&#39;t the way to go. I haven&#39;t opened up =
the saw yet since it&#39;s been snowy. I *think* it uses 20v batteries. I&#=
39;ll look to confirm when I get home.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"auto">A battery chainsaw. I remember 8-track tapes. And we&#39;re buyin=
g my wife a battery-powered car, with OEM 22-inch rims. The world has chang=
ed. I think I&#39;m old now.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail=
_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">---------- Forwarde=
d message ---------<br>From: <strong class=3D"gmail_sendername" dir=3D"auto=
">Scott Hall</strong> <span dir=3D"auto">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:scott.hall.p=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span><br>Date: Sa=
t, Mar 1, 2025, 5:07=E2=80=AFPM<br>Subject: Battery impacts, was: weak impa=
ct<br>To: <a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked].=
net</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]=
m.net</a>&gt;<br></div><br><br><div dir=3D"auto">Followed all the suggestio=
ns, still not budging the lug nuts. It&#39;s running off a regular yellow c=
oiled air line, straight from the compressor tank.=C2=A0<div dir=3D"auto"><=
br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Everyone is so bullish on the battery impacts ma=
ybe I need one.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">So=
...which one? I didn&#39;t have any other battery tools (lost in the same f=
ire that got my air tools), so I don&#39;t have an existing battery ecosyst=
em I want to use.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">=
Twenty years ago I had a Milwaukee 18v impact that was no more impressive t=
han the 2131 and I didn&#39;t use it except at the track. I assume they&#39=
;ve improved since then.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D=
"auto">Are they all about the same or is one clearly better than the others=
?=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Thanks fellas.=
=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Scott=C2=A0</div>=
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From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2025 17:53:50 -0600

> On Mar 1, 2025, at 17:19, Scott Hall <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> 
> Followed all the suggestions, still not budging the lug nuts. It's running off a regular yellow coiled air line, straight from the compressor tank. 
> 
> So...which one? I didn't have any other battery tools (lost in the same fire that got my air tools), so I don't have an existing battery ecosystem I want to use. 
> 

What’s your favorite color?  That brand will be fine.  Battery tools are all pretty good, as are batteries  Unless you have a specialized use, any main brand is great, so pick based on what ever makes sense to you. What is on sale, what your friends use (or don’t use), what your favorite store sells, it’s hard to go wrong.  

I have a Milwaukee, because I have a lot of other tools. It is at least as good as the 2135ti I had many years ago. (I don’t have a compressor good enough for an impact these days. ). 

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Get rid of that crappy coiled air hose and get something which will actual=
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[email-masked]> wrote: Followed all the suggestions, still not budging the =
lug nuts. It's running off a regular yellow coiled air line, straight from=
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I need one. So...which one? I didn't have any other battery tools (lost in=
 the same fire that got my air tools), so I don't have an existing battery=
 ecosystem I want to use. Twenty years ago I had a Milwaukee 18v impact th=
at was no more impressive than the 2131 and I didn't use it except at the =
track. I assume they've improved since then. Are they all about the same o=
r is one clearly better than the others? Thanks fellas. Scott ____________=
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<html><body><div><div>Get rid of that crappy coiled air hose and get something which w=
ill actually flow some air.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><blockquote type=3D"=
cite"><div>On Mar 1, 2025, at 6:23 PM, Scott Hall &lt;scott.hall.personal@=
gmail.com&gt; wrote:<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div dir=3D=
"auto"><div>Followed all the suggestions, still not budging the lug nuts. =
It's running off a regular yellow coiled air line, straight from the compr=
essor tank.&nbsp;<br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">E=
veryone is so bullish on the battery impacts maybe I need one.&nbsp;<br></=
div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">So...which one? I didn't=
 have any other battery tools (lost in the same fire that got my air tools=
), so I don't have an existing battery ecosystem I want to use.&nbsp;<br><=
/div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Twenty years ago I had =
a Milwaukee 18v impact that was no more impressive than the 2131 and I did=
n't use it except at the track. I assume they've improved since then.&nbsp=
;<br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Are they all abou=
t the same or is one clearly better than the others?&nbsp;<br></div><div d=
ir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Thanks fellas.&nbsp;<br></div><div=
 dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Scott&nbsp;<br></div></div><div>=
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I went with DeWalt. They have a 'Max' series, 20V with brushless motors 
(motors should last longer). That was their 'top-of-the-line' a while 
ago, they may have something better now. Makita is good too.

They're all made in one or two factories in China, but can be spec'd 
differently. You see DeWalt on a lot of the TV car shows, which could 
mean something or could just be good marketing.

On 3/1/2025 3:07 PM, Scott Hall wrote:
> Followed all the suggestions, still not budging the lug nuts. It's 
> running off a regular yellow coiled air line, straight from the 
> compressor tank.
>
> So...which one? I didn't have any other battery tools (lost in the 
> same fire that got my air tools), so I don't have an existing battery 
> ecosystem I want to use.
>
> Twenty years ago I had a Milwaukee 18v impact that was no more 
> impressive than the 2131 and I didn't use it except at the track. I 
> assume they've improved since then.
>

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From: Moose <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2025 09:32:24 -0500 03/02/2025 09:32:31 AM, Serialize complete at 03/02/2025 09:32:31 AM

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Scott, you are treading on 'religious ground' with this question.  8>)

Here is my take...

Dewalt has the most tools and is really solid.  (Except their chainsaw!)

Milwaukee is pretty much top of the heap, but expensive and don't have as 
many different tools.

All other brands are less costly and have a great selection, but seem to 
be more 'consumer' than 'professional.'

My way is to go Dewalt for most things and do Milwaukee for the stuff they 
are WAY better at.  (chainsaws, pole trimmers, etc.)

Also note, the land of the rising sun is now making tons of tools that are 
compatible with Dewalt and Milwaukee's batteries.  These tools are super 
cheap (both in quality and price) but really extend the offerings of both 
brands. Tons of options for lights, inverters, etc.

Amen.

Moose

From:   Scott Hall <[email-masked]>
To:     "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>
Date:   03/01/2025 18:13
Subject:        [Shop-talk] Battery impacts, was: weak impact
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Thanks fellas. 

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<font size=2 face="sans-serif">Scott, you are treading on 'religious ground'
with this question. &nbsp;8&gt;)</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Here is my take...</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Dewalt has the most tools and is really
solid. &nbsp;(Except their chainsaw!)</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Milwaukee is pretty much top of the
heap, but expensive and don't have as many different tools.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">All other brands are less costly and
have a great selection, but seem to be more 'consumer' than 'professional.'</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">My way is to go Dewalt for most things
and do Milwaukee for the stuff they are WAY better at. &nbsp;(chainsaws,
pole trimmers, etc.)</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Also note, the land of the rising sun
is now making tons of tools that are compatible with Dewalt and Milwaukee's
batteries. &nbsp;These tools are super cheap (both in quality and price)
but really extend the offerings of both brands. Tons of options for lights,
inverters, etc.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Amen.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Moose</font>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">From: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp;</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">Scott Hall &lt;[email-masked]&gt;</font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">To: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp;</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">&quot;[email-masked]&quot;
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">Date: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp;</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">03/01/2025 18:13</font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">Subject: &nbsp; &nbsp;
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Battery impacts, was: weak impact</font>
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<hr noshade>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=3>Followed all the suggestions, still not budging the lug
nuts. It's running off a regular yellow coiled air line, straight from
the compressor tank.&nbsp;</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3>Everyone is so bullish on the battery impacts maybe I
need one.&nbsp;</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3>So...which one? I didn't have any other battery tools
(lost in the same fire that got my air tools), so I don't have an existing
battery ecosystem I want to use.&nbsp;</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3>Twenty years ago I had a Milwaukee 18v impact that was
no more impressive than the 2131 and I didn't use it except at the track.
I assume they've improved since then.&nbsp;</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3>Are they all about the same or is one clearly better than
the others?&nbsp;</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3>Thanks fellas.&nbsp;</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3>Scott&nbsp;</font><tt><font size=2>_______________________________________________<br>
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From: Pat Horne <[email-masked]>
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Moose, for decades I=E2=80=99ve worshiped @ the church of DeWalt. For the la=
st couple decades I=E2=80=99ve purchased mostly refurbished tools from CPO O=
utlets. Everything has looked new, sometimes in factory packaging. About hal=
f new price.=20

Can you provide any land of the rising sun brand names or where to find them=
 please?

Here endith the reading.=20

Peace, Pat

Pat Horne=20
We support Habitat for Humanity

On Mar 2, 2025, at 8:46=E2=80=AFAM, Moose <[email-masked]> wrote:

=EF=BB=BFScott, you are treading on 'religious ground' with this question.  8=
>)

Here is my take...

Milwaukee is pretty much top of the heap, but expensive and don't have as ma=
ny different tools.

All other brands are less costly and have a great selection, but seem to be m=
ore 'consumer' than 'professional.'

My way is to go Dewalt for most things and do Milwaukee for the stuff they a=
re WAY better at.  (chainsaws, pole trimmers, etc.)

Also note, the land of the rising sun is now making tons of tools that are c=
ompatible with Dewalt and Milwaukee's batteries.  These tools are super chea=
p (both in quality and price) but really extend the offerings of both brands=
. Tons of options for lights, inverters, etc.

Amen.

Moose

Followed all the suggestions, still not budging the lug nuts. It's running o=
ff a regular yellow coiled air line, straight from the compressor tank.=20

Everyone is so bullish on the battery impacts maybe I need one.=20

So...which one? I didn't have any other battery tools (lost in the same fire=
 that got my air tools), so I don't have an existing battery ecosystem I wan=
t to use.=20

Twenty years ago I had a Milwaukee 18v impact that was no more impressive th=
an the 2131 and I didn't use it except at the track. I assume they've improv=
ed since then.=20

Are they all about the same or is one clearly better than the others?=20

Thanks fellas.=20

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr">Moose, for decades I=E2=80=
=99ve worshiped @ the church of DeWalt. For the last couple decades I=E2=80=99=
ve purchased mostly refurbished tools from CPO Outlets. Everything has looke=
d new, sometimes in factory packaging. About half new price.&nbsp;</div><div=
 dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Can you provide any land of the risi=
ng sun brand names or where to find them please?</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr">Here endith the reading.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><=
br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Peace, Pat</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div><div dir=
=3D"ltr">Pat Horne&nbsp;<div>We support Habitat for Humanity</div><div><br><=
/div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Mar 2, 2025, at 8:46=E2=80=AFAM, Moose &l=
t;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<font s=
ize=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Scott, you are treading on 'religious ground'
with this question. &nbsp;8&gt;)</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Here is my take...</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Dewalt has the most tools and is re=
ally
solid. &nbsp;(Except their chainsaw!)</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Milwaukee is pretty much top of the=

heap, but expensive and don't have as many different tools.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">All other brands are less costly an=
d
have a great selection, but seem to be more 'consumer' than 'professional.'<=
/font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">My way is to go Dewalt for most thi=
ngs
and do Milwaukee for the stuff they are WAY better at. &nbsp;(chainsaws,
pole trimmers, etc.)</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Also note, the land of the rising s=
un
is now making tons of tools that are compatible with Dewalt and Milwaukee's
batteries. &nbsp;These tools are super cheap (both in quality and price)
but really extend the offerings of both brands. Tons of options for lights,
inverters, etc.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Amen.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Moose</font>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"1" color=3D"#5f5f5f" face=3D"sans-serif">From: &nbsp; &nbs=
p; &nbsp;
&nbsp;</font><font size=3D"1" face=3D"sans-serif">Scott Hall &lt;scott.hall.=
[email-masked]&gt;</font>
<br><font size=3D"1" color=3D"#5f5f5f" face=3D"sans-serif">To: &nbsp; &nbsp;=
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<hr noshade=3D"">
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"3">Followed all the suggestions, still not budging the lug=

nuts. It's running off a regular yellow coiled air line, straight from
the compressor tank.&nbsp;</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"3">Everyone is so bullish on the battery impacts maybe I
need one.&nbsp;</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"3">So...which one? I didn't have any other battery tools
(lost in the same fire that got my air tools), so I don't have an existing
battery ecosystem I want to use.&nbsp;</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"3">Twenty years ago I had a Milwaukee 18v impact that was
no more impressive than the 2131 and I didn't use it except at the track.
I assume they've improved since then.&nbsp;</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"3">Are they all about the same or is one clearly better th=
an
the others?&nbsp;</font>
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Here's the skinny:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0YlKm6C7fI&t=667s

On 3/2/2025 6:32 AM, Moose wrote:
> Milwaukee is pretty much top of the heap, but expensive and don't have 
> as many different tools.
>
> All other brands are less costly and have a great selection, but seem 
> to be more 'consumer' than 'professional.'
>
> My way is to go Dewalt for most things and do Milwaukee for the stuff 
> they are WAY better at.  (chainsaws, pole trimmers, etc.)
>
> Also note, the land of the rising sun is now making tons of tools that 
> are compatible with Dewalt and Milwaukee's batteries.  These tools are 
> super cheap (both in quality and price) but really extend the 
> offerings of both brands. Tons of options for lights, inverters, etc.
>
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    Here's the skinny:<br>
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    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0YlKm6C7fI&amp;t=667s">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0YlKm6C7fI&amp;t=667s</a><br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/2/2025 6:32 AM, Moose wrote:<br>
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      <font size="2" face="sans-serif">Scott, you are treading on
        'religious ground'
        with this question.  8&gt;)</font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font size="2" face="sans-serif">Here is my take...</font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font size="2" face="sans-serif">Dewalt has the most tools and is
        really
        solid.  (Except their chainsaw!)</font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font size="2" face="sans-serif">Milwaukee is pretty much top of
        the
        heap, but expensive and don't have as many different tools.</font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font size="2" face="sans-serif">All other brands are less costly
        and
        have a great selection, but seem to be more 'consumer' than
        'professional.'</font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font size="2" face="sans-serif">My way is to go Dewalt for most
        things
        and do Milwaukee for the stuff they are WAY better at.
         (chainsaws,
        pole trimmers, etc.)</font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font size="2" face="sans-serif">Also note, the land of the rising
        sun
        is now making tons of tools that are compatible with Dewalt and
        Milwaukee's
        batteries.  These tools are super cheap (both in quality and
        price)
        but really extend the offerings of both brands. Tons of options
        for lights,
        inverters, etc.</font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font size="2" face="sans-serif">Amen.</font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font size="2" face="sans-serif">Moose</font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <br>
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      <font size="1" color="#5f5f5f" face="sans-serif">From:      
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      <font size="1" color="#5f5f5f" face="sans-serif">Date:      
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      <font size="1" color="#5f5f5f" face="sans-serif">Subject:    
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        Battery impacts, was: weak impact</font>
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      <font size="1" color="#5f5f5f" face="sans-serif">Sent by:    
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      <font size="3">Followed all the suggestions, still not budging the
        lug
        nuts. It's running off a regular yellow coiled air line,
        straight from
        the compressor tank. </font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font size="3">Everyone is so bullish on the battery impacts maybe
        I
        need one. </font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font size="3">So...which one? I didn't have any other battery
        tools
        (lost in the same fire that got my air tools), so I don't have
        an existing
        battery ecosystem I want to use. </font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font size="3">Twenty years ago I had a Milwaukee 18v impact that
        was
        no more impressive than the 2131 and I didn't use it except at
        the track.
        I assume they've improved since then. </font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font size="3">Are they all about the same or is one clearly
        better than
        the others? </font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font size="3">Thanks fellas. </font>
      <br>
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From: Brian Kemp <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2025 10:08:27 -0800

An impact wrench wasn't something I was going to use regularly, so I 
didn't want to go battery.  Instead I went electric and got one of these 
several years ago.

https://www.lowes.com/pd/Kobalt-8-Amp-1-2-in-Corded-Impact-Wrench/3307992

Electrical cords are much easier than an air hose and it always works - 
no dead battery issues.

Brian

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Just be careful with some of this off-brand stuff.  The Dewalt system
batteries do not have the battery management system in the battery, it is
in the tool.  Not all of the off brand stuff includes this.  You must make
sure to carefully monitor your batteries when using this stuff and DO NOT
leave a battery attached when not in use.  Learned that the hard way on one
of those USB / Light combos.  The USB charger stayed on even if the light
is off and will drain a battery flat eventually.  Lithium batteries do not
like this.

On Sun, Mar 2, 2025 at 9:47=E2=80=AFAM Moose <[email-masked]> wrote:

> Pat,
>
> I didn't know about the CPO site.  Looks cool!  (I think I'm going to
> place an order there now.)
>
> As for what I'm talking about, just search Amazon.
>
> Here are some of the most recent things I got that are WAY better than I
> expected.
>
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BC7B7ZBN/ref=3Dppx_yo_dt_b_search_asi=
n_title?ie=3DUTF8&psc=3D1
>
> Great cheap flood light with USB ports.  Nice for camping or blackouts.
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CQX1Q3G9/ref=3Dppx_yo_dt_b_search_asi=
n_title?ie=3DUTF8&psc=3D1
>
> This inverter works great.  Lots of flexibility to it.
>
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CXPJGZC6/ref=3Dppx_yo_dt_b_search_asi=
n_title?ie=3DUTF8&th=3D1
>
> This soldering station is very convenient and heats up FAST!
>
> There are lots of other things that seem to come and go (many of the item=
s
> are no longer listed.)
>
> This are cheap, but for what I need them for, I have never been
> disappointed.  The advantage is that I have LOTS of batteries for them an=
d
> it is so great to not have to get other chargers and such.
>
> Moose
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From:        Pat Horne <[email-masked]>
> To:        Moose <[email-masked]>
> Cc:        [email-masked]
> Date:        03/02/2025 10:01
> Subject:        Re: [Shop-talk] Battery impacts, was: weak impact
> ------------------------------
>
>
>
> Moose, for decades I=E2=80=99ve worshiped @ the church of DeWalt. For the=
 last
> couple decades I=E2=80=99ve purchased mostly refurbished tools from CPO O=
utlets.
> Everything has looked new, sometimes in factory packaging. About half new
> price.
>
> Can you provide any land of the rising sun brand names or where to find
> them please?
>
> Here endith the reading.
>
> Peace, Pat
>
> Pat Horne
> =EF=BB=BFScott, you are treading on 'religious ground' with this question=
.  8>)
> My way is to go Dewalt for most things and do Milwaukee for the stuff the=
y
> Also note, the land of the rising sun is now making tons of tools that ar=
e
> ------------------------------
>
>
>
> Followed all the suggestions, still not budging the lug nuts. It's runnin=
g
> fire that got my air tools), so I don't have an existing battery ecosyste=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Just be careful=C2=A0with some of this off-brand stuff.=C2=
=A0 The Dewalt system batteries do not have the battery management system i=
n the battery, it is in the tool.=C2=A0 Not all of the off brand stuff incl=
udes this.=C2=A0 You must make sure to carefully monitor your batteries whe=
n using this stuff and DO NOT leave a battery attached when not in use.=C2=
=A0 Learned that the hard way on one of those USB / Light combos.=C2=A0 The=
 USB charger stayed on even if the light is off and will drain a battery fl=
at eventually.=C2=A0 Lithium batteries do not like this.</div><br><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_att=
r">On Sun, Mar 2, 2025 at 9:47=E2=80=AFAM Moose &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:eric@=
megageek.com">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rg=
b(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Pat, =
</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I didn&#39;t know about the CPO si=
te.=C2=A0 Looks
cool! =C2=A0(I think I&#39;m going to place an order there now.)</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">As for what I&#39;m talking about,=
 just
search Amazon.</font>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif"><br>
Here are some of the most recent things I got that are WAY better than
I expected.</font>
<br><a href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BC7B7ZBN/ref=3Dppx_yo_dt=
_b_search_asin_title?ie=3DUTF8&amp;psc=3D1" target=3D"_blank"><font size=3D=
"2" color=3D"blue" face=3D"sans-serif">https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0=
BC7B7ZBN/ref=3Dppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=3DUTF8&amp;psc=3D1</font></=
a>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Great cheap flood light with USB p=
orts.
=C2=A0Nice for camping or blackouts.</font>
<br>
<br><a href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CQX1Q3G9/ref=3Dppx_yo_dt=
_b_search_asin_title?ie=3DUTF8&amp;psc=3D1" target=3D"_blank"><font size=3D=
"2" color=3D"blue" face=3D"sans-serif">https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0=
CQX1Q3G9/ref=3Dppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=3DUTF8&amp;psc=3D1</font></=
a>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">This inverter works great.=C2=A0 L=
ots
of flexibility to it. </font>
<br>
<br>
<br><a href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CXPJGZC6/ref=3Dppx_yo_dt=
_b_search_asin_title?ie=3DUTF8&amp;th=3D1" target=3D"_blank"><font size=3D"=
2" color=3D"blue" face=3D"sans-serif">https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0C=
XPJGZC6/ref=3Dppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=3DUTF8&amp;th=3D1</font></a>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">This soldering station is very con=
venient
and heats up FAST!</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">There are lots of other things tha=
t
seem to come and go (many of the items are no longer listed.)</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">This are cheap, but for what I nee=
d
them for, I have never been disappointed.=C2=A0 The advantage is that I
have LOTS of batteries for them and it is so great to not have to get other
chargers and such.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Moose</font>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"1" color=3D"#5f5f5f" face=3D"sans-serif">From: =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0
=C2=A0</font><font size=3D"1" face=3D"sans-serif">Pat Horne &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&g=
t;</font>
<br><font size=3D"1" color=3D"#5f5f5f" face=3D"sans-serif">To: =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0
=C2=A0</font><font size=3D"1" face=3D"sans-serif">Moose &lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</font>
<br><font size=3D"1" color=3D"#5f5f5f" face=3D"sans-serif">Cc: =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0
=C2=A0</font><font size=3D"1" face=3D"sans-serif"><a href=3D"mailto:Shop-ta=
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=A0 =C2=A0
=C2=A0</font><font size=3D"1" face=3D"sans-serif">03/02/2025 10:01</font>
<br><font size=3D"1" color=3D"#5f5f5f" face=3D"sans-serif">Subject: =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0</font><font size=3D"1" face=3D"sans-serif">Re: [Shop-talk]
Battery impacts, was: weak impact</font>
<br>
<hr noshade>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"3">Moose, for decades I=E2=80=99ve worshiped @ the church=
 of DeWalt.
For the last couple decades I=E2=80=99ve purchased mostly refurbished tools=
 from
CPO Outlets. Everything has looked new, sometimes in factory packaging.
About half new price. </font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"3">Can you provide any land of the rising sun brand names
or where to find them please?</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"3">Here endith the reading. </font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"3">Peace, Pat</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"3">Pat Horne </font>
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ek.com" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
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cott, you are
treading on &#39;religious ground&#39; with this question. =C2=A08&gt;)</fo=
nt><font size=3D"3">
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Here is my take...</font><font size=3D"3"> <br>
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Dewalt has the most tools and is really solid. =C2=A0(Except their chainsaw=
!)</font><font size=3D"3">
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Milwaukee is pretty much top of the heap, but expensive and don&#39;t have
as many different tools.</font><font size=3D"3"> <br>
</font><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif"><br>
All other brands are less costly and have a great selection, but seem to
be more &#39;consumer&#39; than &#39;professional.&#39;</font><font size=3D=
"3"> <br>
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My way is to go Dewalt for most things and do Milwaukee for the stuff they
are WAY better at. =C2=A0(chainsaws, pole trimmers, etc.)</font><font size=
=3D"3">
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Also note, the land of the rising sun is now making tons of tools that
are compatible with Dewalt and Milwaukee&#39;s batteries.=C2=A0 These tools
are super cheap (both in quality and price) but really extend the offerings
of both brands. Tons of options for lights, inverters, etc.</font><font siz=
e=3D"3">
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Amen.</font><font size=3D"3"> <br>
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Moose</font><font size=3D"3"> <br>
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From: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0</font><font size=3D"1" face=3D"sans-serif=
">Scott
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Battery impacts, was: weak impact</font><font size=3D"3"> </font><font size=
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Followed all the suggestions, still not budging the lug nuts. It&#39;s runn=
ing
off a regular yellow coiled air line, straight from the compressor tank.
=C2=A0<br>
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Everyone is so bullish on the battery impacts maybe I need one. =C2=A0<br>
<br>
So...which one? I didn&#39;t have any other battery tools (lost in the same
fire that got my air tools), so I don&#39;t have an existing battery ecosys=
tem
I want to use. =C2=A0<br>
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Twenty years ago I had a Milwaukee 18v impact that was no more impressive
than the 2131 and I didn&#39;t use it except at the track. I assume they&#3=
9;ve
improved since then. =C2=A0<br>
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Are they all about the same or is one clearly better than the others? =C2=
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