From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 1 16:12:08 2025 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0905AA0331 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2025 16:12:08 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qk1-f173.google.com (unknown [209.85.222.173]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 528C1A02B8 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2025 16:08:39 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qk1-f173.google.com with SMTP id af79cd13be357-7c24ae82de4so321013885a.1 for ; Sat, 01 Mar 2025 15:08:08 -0800 (PST) d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1740870488; x=1741475288; darn=autox.team.net; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject :date:message-id:reply-to; bh=nAoNyUO4EQ1V5FYYd6U5H4Py8zjopB1H8/kXkhBD2RU=; b=IgeQfC4TwoI6EuXnWx12OwZAfi6XpMuuJl+IIVG8FzG7S0l/seHTTsEpXNRsJegt0U g5paYxHe4T7Zj570+YO8h8A3zh3TGcjMugYMnT1ggizHMkMNCdSK9QKtpAxHhtZorcfg F8GSzEwSLgC7ww4PuxyX7HpgZeVYwKZKrCZI/mFS6o45tLV9aaxIdh0W/JioIpuEwHcO KGfREecN0YbmW3SzHugJL4ursuWmaFfuYpHSE7fRRwr2ZWWZ2d7craBjtfSUq2Avbraf WvZDieQGLIg3bgkaIsCHa9zEsidMDxNlHyE2tSR5BOivVfWe1h7cMhwdjcQwY+c3kwTE 7Ytw== d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1740870488; x=1741475288; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:mime-version:x-gm-message-state :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=nAoNyUO4EQ1V5FYYd6U5H4Py8zjopB1H8/kXkhBD2RU=; b=Ssq4NXB12ELRQiw3d5J74Lq4qgSlXESthvpybSTciQNclBW8tnZtWII2I0fUDj6hax ZChxYpsPg9mYuDS9pUr/cXa8ykvtmGIBVElJ5RTQi05ZzaEkseoJL9HJZRHYa5oKPgNz 0F1ERtheHcRqbkF8aVRwMqAU9zGtVPT+REoKVlFiPu/rfjn1EgJnVyx0SVBf0B7/4r+D usM3M0HfGdDaTmHZPH3x/OkAJhPzbcup9iaIptU6f7kYAoVNRKFQfOSbGrdQ7nUgsdyU CSdIFe9R1Rzi06s2rFm5hCOPPMvpEbhbqkUiSdoUMLLNx88BBc1CVkW5DaawRp8+jc7/ z5/w== idm610TLC3KZYBYG8CGk/4bX2PlyGxC4Bc7xOAklgKAVF2SXXDmwT3EM9sllltRT+cPDx9j+4z4 Lh2P/ZcrzfzAv1XqkTpo9DMvY2OhMfg== gypg9agdvz42vPaKtAKYBZOemv9DkaUzaAD2MZHIKkGquAYq8YBjZ4GDPC+vau4ipqkAfPN7jqP 1sNtJ4LMkGDIKXJJ8hcSaJwJb8NdSi7QrQ af79cd13be357-7c39c64d5f8mr1243050985a.37.1740870487894; Sat, 01 Mar 2025 15:08:07 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Hall Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2025 17:07:57 -0600 To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: [Shop-talk] Battery impacts, was: weak impact Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============2845732313731248253== --00000000000007efd9062f4fff23 Followed all the suggestions, still not budging the lug nuts. It's running off a regular yellow coiled air line, straight from the compressor tank. Everyone is so bullish on the battery impacts maybe I need one. So...which one? I didn't have any other battery tools (lost in the same fire that got my air tools), so I don't have an existing battery ecosystem I want to use. Twenty years ago I had a Milwaukee 18v impact that was no more impressive than the 2131 and I didn't use it except at the track. I assume they've improved since then. Are they all about the same or is one clearly better than the others? Thanks fellas. Scott --00000000000007efd9062f4fff23 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Followed all the suggestions, still not budging the lug n= uts. It's running off a regular yellow coiled air line, straight from t= he compressor tank.=C2=A0

Ever= yone is so bullish on the battery impacts maybe I need one.=C2=A0

So...which one? I didn't have= any other battery tools (lost in the same fire that got my air tools), so = I don't have an existing battery ecosystem I want to use.=C2=A0

Twenty years ago I had a Milwau= kee 18v impact that was no more impressive than the 2131 and I didn't u= se it except at the track. I assume they've improved since then.=C2=A0<= /div>

Are they all about the s= ame or is one clearly better than the others?=C2=A0
=
Thanks fellas.=C2=A0
Scott=C2=A0
--00000000000007efd9062f4fff23-- --===============2845732313731248253== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============2845732313731248253==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 1 16:28:02 2025 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ACFDA02B8 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2025 16:28:02 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qk1-f179.google.com (unknown [209.85.222.179]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7A26A02BF for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2025 16:14:28 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qk1-f179.google.com with SMTP id af79cd13be357-7c08fc20194so579168485a.2 for ; Sat, 01 Mar 2025 15:13:58 -0800 (PST) d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1740870837; x=1741475637; darn=autox.team.net; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=dww56YlIqF5BlCuvUJCTjBwKcGJOa4YCGchgxsvluSU=; b=UA5bDHL2lgS5/w0Zwst9IHVTbTpIBOGbcxYuUVcvGWMpvcaRwpEXEY7QZWY2PrcZLo 5dohkKApSoCHsAh/4k2dUDN0k4cBK2VSF6jWuDoc8wTN9RnFDIfciaMOllsQf2Pm0ih9 OAZHJkQHnr1vUMNU9TfjaN18VSVyafkNyYyCudNURcfAK6cwQrT1uML/lVXPgckX5USb kWZtCLDc24OXbEyNnDklndQoEQ0zEFjUTno/8n3cLyZluGjUal/CUofkNPvyivnpSUq9 8d3ecZgCBW63yxfeuwL1SKlUs/k2DLUxC6hyW+wSafaS0sWpNavDn3gs7OWMdAs+SSY1 RF4w== d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1740870837; x=1741475637; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=dww56YlIqF5BlCuvUJCTjBwKcGJOa4YCGchgxsvluSU=; b=OKxSvfQ7PpsepaKZfkdvwnhSkTwGYANGbTsP4iE1m14Nk5SwaBAu2FFlA9JcSbftY6 ColYjHeMY/uZv0yDtODoV237dVWaiYt9FL7SBYpgO+9tJz1+ASyqteCCQTyowvkIiDMw yloPYXVUxwiG0l3x2lUYqamKGQXY6TjZH8elq1AfRn7lHGLNBbmFjBcaA18Knq3rAqDW o+ADW6qxJiQ6tRmgvXIl4DGe1QImfbQ1baWw1r0TSo4EGtAsSdvMZzL+84Lxp2NA2oBF 1ga+5OVOsL8xm+AAI4eUXIoZI74fCsOL2Xe2bmEhoQojrQkuCHBQsqhw5Vi+0D81dir5 lREA== /Gub+kWtb9iOAVe7ZU4VfHNhK8404MtemyghzGDprhIREbCFsyf+V6QqBPTS64qbLtKPJ8/YcjQ E/QYc2SOnTXO3wdRyyPQiwKeB5MYTIg== 9S+O4Fm9VyIygD94KR45+DilhikmlJytwyEi9B/4c7Bs/HsCW61zPtLb9apaEUGr3x3bAEDDq+V HdwcMevHbRHyPMAhxApFUrOa8JQPoFGeIO af79cd13be357-7c39c62ee5dmr1355931085a.40.1740870837464; Sat, 01 Mar 2025 15:13:57 -0800 (PST) References: From: Scott Hall Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2025 17:13:46 -0600 To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Battery impacts, was: weak impact Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5297109251200818237== --000000000000ddfb8c062f501369 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I forgot--I got a DeWalt cordless chainsaw for Christmas, so maybe I do have a battery ecosystem already. Though I won't be upset if DeWalt 's impact isn't the way to go. I haven't opened up the saw yet since it's been snowy. I *think* it uses 20v batteries. I'll look to confirm when I get home. A battery chainsaw. I remember 8-track tapes. And we're buying my wife a battery-powered car, with OEM 22-inch rims. The world has changed. I think I'm old now. ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Scott Hall Date: Sat, Mar 1, 2025, 5:07=E2=80=AFPM Subject: Battery impacts, was: weak impact To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Followed all the suggestions, still not budging the lug nuts. It's running off a regular yellow coiled air line, straight from the compressor tank. Everyone is so bullish on the battery impacts maybe I need one. So...which one? I didn't have any other battery tools (lost in the same fire that got my air tools), so I don't have an existing battery ecosystem I want to use. Twenty years ago I had a Milwaukee 18v impact that was no more impressive than the 2131 and I didn't use it except at the track. I assume they've improved since then. Are they all about the same or is one clearly better than the others? Thanks fellas. Scott --000000000000ddfb8c062f501369 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I forgot--I got a DeWalt cordless chainsaw for Christmas,= so maybe I do have a battery ecosystem already. Though I won't be upse= t if DeWalt 's impact isn't the way to go. I haven't opened up = the saw yet since it's been snowy. I *think* it uses 20v batteries. I&#= 39;ll look to confirm when I get home.

A battery chainsaw. I remember 8-track tapes. And we're buyin= g my wife a battery-powered car, with OEM 22-inch rims. The world has chang= ed. I think I'm old now.

---------- Forwarde= d message ---------
From: Scott Hall <scott.hall.personal@gmail.com>
Date: Sa= t, Mar 1, 2025, 5:07=E2=80=AFPM
Subject: Battery impacts, was: weak impa= ct
To: shop-talk@autox.team.= net <Shop-talk@autox.tea= m.net>


Followed all the suggestio= ns, still not budging the lug nuts. It's running off a regular yellow c= oiled air line, straight from the compressor tank.=C2=A0
<= br>
Everyone is so bullish on the battery impacts ma= ybe I need one.=C2=A0

So= ...which one? I didn't have any other battery tools (lost in the same f= ire that got my air tools), so I don't have an existing battery ecosyst= em I want to use.=C2=A0

= Twenty years ago I had a Milwaukee 18v impact that was no more impressive t= han the 2131 and I didn't use it except at the track. I assume they'= ;ve improved since then.=C2=A0

Are they all about the same or is one clearly better than the others= ?=C2=A0

Thanks fellas.= =C2=A0

Scott=C2=A0
=
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Sun, 2 Mar 2025 01:48:16 +0000 (UTC) To: Scott Hall From: Thomas Coradeschi Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2025 01:48:16 +0000 (UTC) References: engine=ICAP:2.0.272,Aquarius:18.0.1057,Hydra:6.0.680,FMLib:17.12.68.34 definitions=2025-03-01_10,2025-02-28_01,2024-11-22_01 bulkscore=0 suspectscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 malwarescore=0 clxscore=1011 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.19.0-2308100000 definitions=main-2503020012 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Battery impacts, was: weak impact Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5697048441566817812== --Apple-Webmail-42--932edb4b-6feb-42e7-9416-33b3413045c0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8; format=flowed Get rid of that crappy coiled air hose and get something which will actual= ly flow some air. On Mar 1, 2025, at 6:23 PM, Scott Hall wrote: Followed all the suggestions, still not budging the = lug nuts. It's running off a regular yellow coiled air line, straight from= the compressor tank. Everyone is so bullish on the battery impacts maybe = I need one. So...which one? I didn't have any other battery tools (lost in= the same fire that got my air tools), so I don't have an existing battery= ecosystem I want to use. Twenty years ago I had a Milwaukee 18v impact th= at was no more impressive than the 2131 and I didn't use it except at the = track. I assume they've improved since then. Are they all about the same o= r is one clearly better than the others? Thanks fellas. Scott ____________= ___________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Donate: http:= //www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http:= //www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscri= be/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/tjcora@icloud.c= om --Apple-Webmail-42--932edb4b-6feb-42e7-9416-33b3413045c0 type="text/html"; boundary=Apple-Webmail-86--932edb4b-6feb-42e7-9416-33b3413045c0 --Apple-Webmail-86--932edb4b-6feb-42e7-9416-33b3413045c0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8;
Get rid of that crappy coiled air hose and get something which w= ill actually flow some air. 

On Mar 1, 2025, at 6:23 PM, Scott Hall <scott.hall.personal@= gmail.com> wrote:


Followed all the suggestions, still not budging the lug nuts. = It's running off a regular yellow coiled air line, straight from the compr= essor tank. 

E= veryone is so bullish on the battery impacts maybe I need one. 

So...which one? I didn't= have any other battery tools (lost in the same fire that got my air tools= ), so I don't have an existing battery ecosystem I want to use. 
<= /div>

Twenty years ago I had = a Milwaukee 18v impact that was no more impressive than the 2131 and I did= n't use it except at the track. I assume they've improved since then. = ;

Are they all abou= t the same or is one clearly better than the others? 

Thanks fellas. 

Scott 

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They have a 'Max' series, 20V with brushless motors (motors should last longer). That was their 'top-of-the-line' a while ago, they may have something better now. Makita is good too. They're all made in one or two factories in China, but can be spec'd differently. You see DeWalt on a lot of the TV car shows, which could mean something or could just be good marketing. On 3/1/2025 3:07 PM, Scott Hall wrote: > Followed all the suggestions, still not budging the lug nuts. It's > running off a regular yellow coiled air line, straight from the > compressor tank. > > Everyone is so bullish on the battery impacts maybe I need one. > > So...which one? I didn't have any other battery tools (lost in the > same fire that got my air tools), so I don't have an existing battery > ecosystem I want to use. > > Twenty years ago I had a Milwaukee 18v impact that was no more > impressive than the 2131 and I didn't use it except at the track. I > assume they've improved since then. > > Are they all about the same or is one clearly better than the others? > > Thanks fellas. > > Scott > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 2 07:36:37 2025 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B648EA0445 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2025 07:36:37 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from Deep13.mail.Megageek.com (unknown [34.199.103.79]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8D20A0209 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2025 07:32:55 -0700 (MST) References: To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net type=4; name=$KeepSent From: Moose Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2025 09:32:24 -0500 03/02/2025 09:32:31 AM, Serialize complete at 03/02/2025 09:32:31 AM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Battery impacts, was: weak impact Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============0340423058291356228== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 004FDF8585258C41_= Scott, you are treading on 'religious ground' with this question. 8>) Here is my take... Dewalt has the most tools and is really solid. (Except their chainsaw!) Milwaukee is pretty much top of the heap, but expensive and don't have as many different tools. All other brands are less costly and have a great selection, but seem to be more 'consumer' than 'professional.' My way is to go Dewalt for most things and do Milwaukee for the stuff they are WAY better at. (chainsaws, pole trimmers, etc.) Also note, the land of the rising sun is now making tons of tools that are compatible with Dewalt and Milwaukee's batteries. These tools are super cheap (both in quality and price) but really extend the offerings of both brands. Tons of options for lights, inverters, etc. Amen. Moose From: Scott Hall To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Date: 03/01/2025 18:13 Subject: [Shop-talk] Battery impacts, was: weak impact Sent by: "Shop-talk" Followed all the suggestions, still not budging the lug nuts. It's running off a regular yellow coiled air line, straight from the compressor tank. Everyone is so bullish on the battery impacts maybe I need one. So...which one? I didn't have any other battery tools (lost in the same fire that got my air tools), so I don't have an existing battery ecosystem I want to use. Twenty years ago I had a Milwaukee 18v impact that was no more impressive than the 2131 and I didn't use it except at the track. I assume they've improved since then. Are they all about the same or is one clearly better than the others? Thanks fellas. Scott _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eric@megageek.com --=_alternative 004FDF8585258C41_= Scott, you are treading on 'religious ground' with this question.  8>)

Here is my take...

Dewalt has the most tools and is really solid.  (Except their chainsaw!)

Milwaukee is pretty much top of the heap, but expensive and don't have as many different tools.

All other brands are less costly and have a great selection, but seem to be more 'consumer' than 'professional.'

My way is to go Dewalt for most things and do Milwaukee for the stuff they are WAY better at.  (chainsaws, pole trimmers, etc.)

Also note, the land of the rising sun is now making tons of tools that are compatible with Dewalt and Milwaukee's batteries.  These tools are super cheap (both in quality and price) but really extend the offerings of both brands. Tons of options for lights, inverters, etc.

Amen.

Moose



From:        Scott Hall <scott.hall.personal@gmail.com>
To:        "shop-talk@autox.team.net" <Shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Date:        03/01/2025 18:13
Subject:        [Shop-talk] Battery impacts, was: weak impact
Sent by:        "Shop-talk" <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net>



Followed all the suggestions, still not budging the lug nuts. It's running off a regular yellow coiled air line, straight from the compressor tank. 

Everyone is so bullish on the battery impacts maybe I need one. 

So...which one? I didn't have any other battery tools (lost in the same fire that got my air tools), so I don't have an existing battery ecosystem I want to use. 

Twenty years ago I had a Milwaukee 18v impact that was no more impressive than the 2131 and I didn't use it except at the track. I assume they've improved since then. 

Are they all about the same or is one clearly better than the others? 

Thanks fellas. 

Scott _______________________________________________

Shop-talk@autox.team.net
Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive
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Moose, for decades I=E2=80= =99ve worshiped @ the church of DeWalt. For the last couple decades I=E2=80=99= ve purchased mostly refurbished tools from CPO Outlets. Everything has looke= d new, sometimes in factory packaging. About half new price. 

Can you provide any land of the risi= ng sun brand names or where to find them please?

<= /div>
Here endith the reading. 
<= br>
Peace, Pat

Pat Horne 
We support Habitat for Humanity

<= /div>

On Mar 2, 2025, at 8:46=E2=80=AFAM, Moose &l= t;eric@megageek.com> wrote:

=EF=BB=BFScott, you are treading on 'religious ground' with this question.  8>)

Here is my take...

Dewalt has the most tools and is re= ally solid.  (Except their chainsaw!)

Milwaukee is pretty much top of the= heap, but expensive and don't have as many different tools.

All other brands are less costly an= d have a great selection, but seem to be more 'consumer' than 'professional.'<= /font>

My way is to go Dewalt for most thi= ngs and do Milwaukee for the stuff they are WAY better at.  (chainsaws, pole trimmers, etc.)

Also note, the land of the rising s= un is now making tons of tools that are compatible with Dewalt and Milwaukee's batteries.  These tools are super cheap (both in quality and price) but really extend the offerings of both brands. Tons of options for lights, inverters, etc.

Amen.

Moose



From:   &nbs= p;    Scott Hall <scott.hall.= personal@gmail.com>
To:    =    "shop-talk@autox.team.net"= <Shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Date:   &nbs= p;    03/01/2025 18:13
Subject:   &= nbsp;    [Shop-talk] Battery impacts, was: weak impact
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Followed all the suggestions, still not budging the lug= nuts. It's running off a regular yellow coiled air line, straight from the compressor tank. 

Everyone is so bullish on the battery impacts maybe I need one. 

So...which one? I didn't have any other battery tools (lost in the same fire that got my air tools), so I don't have an existing battery ecosystem I want to use. 

Twenty years ago I had a Milwaukee 18v impact that was no more impressive than the 2131 and I didn't use it except at the track. I assume they've improved since then. 

Are they all about the same or is one clearly better th= an the others? 

Thanks fellas. 

Scott ________________= _______________________________

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Tons of options for lights, inverters, etc. > > Amen. > > Moose > > > > From: Scott Hall > To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" > Date: 03/01/2025 18:13 > Subject: [Shop-talk] Battery impacts, was: weak impact > Sent by: "Shop-talk" > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Followed all the suggestions, still not budging the lug nuts. It's > running off a regular yellow coiled air line, straight from the > compressor tank. > > Everyone is so bullish on the battery impacts maybe I need one. > > So...which one? I didn't have any other battery tools (lost in the > same fire that got my air tools), so I don't have an existing battery > ecosystem I want to use. > > Twenty years ago I had a Milwaukee 18v impact that was no more > impressive than the 2131 and I didn't use it except at the track. I > assume they've improved since then. > > Are they all about the same or is one clearly better than the others? > > Thanks fellas. > > Scott _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation  $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eric@megageek.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bspidell@comcast.net > --------------YcxmdvTmf3ElfQ0eFKUX0apj Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Here's the skinny:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0YlKm6C7fI&t=667s


On 3/2/2025 6:32 AM, Moose wrote:
Scott, you are treading on 'religious ground' with this question.  8>)

Here is my take...

Dewalt has the most tools and is really solid.  (Except their chainsaw!)

Milwaukee is pretty much top of the heap, but expensive and don't have as many different tools.

All other brands are less costly and have a great selection, but seem to be more 'consumer' than 'professional.'

My way is to go Dewalt for most things and do Milwaukee for the stuff they are WAY better at.  (chainsaws, pole trimmers, etc.)

Also note, the land of the rising sun is now making tons of tools that are compatible with Dewalt and Milwaukee's batteries.  These tools are super cheap (both in quality and price) but really extend the offerings of both brands. Tons of options for lights, inverters, etc.

Amen.

Moose



From:        Scott Hall <scott.hall.personal@gmail.com>
To:        "shop-talk@autox.team.net" <Shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Date:        03/01/2025 18:13
Subject:        [Shop-talk] Battery impacts, was: weak impact
Sent by:        "Shop-talk" <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net>



Followed all the suggestions, still not budging the lug nuts. It's running off a regular yellow coiled air line, straight from the compressor tank. 

Everyone is so bullish on the battery impacts maybe I need one. 

So...which one? I didn't have any other battery tools (lost in the same fire that got my air tools), so I don't have an existing battery ecosystem I want to use. 

Twenty years ago I had a Milwaukee 18v impact that was no more impressive than the 2131 and I didn't use it except at the track. I assume they've improved since then. 

Are they all about the same or is one clearly better than the others? 

Thanks fellas. 

Scott _______________________________________________

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The Dewalt system batteries do not have the battery management system in the battery, it is in the tool. Not all of the off brand stuff includes this. You must make sure to carefully monitor your batteries when using this stuff and DO NOT leave a battery attached when not in use. Learned that the hard way on one of those USB / Light combos. The USB charger stayed on even if the light is off and will drain a battery flat eventually. Lithium batteries do not like this. On Sun, Mar 2, 2025 at 9:47=E2=80=AFAM Moose wrote: > Pat, > > I didn't know about the CPO site. Looks cool! (I think I'm going to > place an order there now.) > > As for what I'm talking about, just search Amazon. > > Here are some of the most recent things I got that are WAY better than I > expected. > > https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BC7B7ZBN/ref=3Dppx_yo_dt_b_search_asi= n_title?ie=3DUTF8&psc=3D1 > > Great cheap flood light with USB ports. Nice for camping or blackouts. > > > https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CQX1Q3G9/ref=3Dppx_yo_dt_b_search_asi= n_title?ie=3DUTF8&psc=3D1 > > This inverter works great. Lots of flexibility to it. > > > > https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CXPJGZC6/ref=3Dppx_yo_dt_b_search_asi= n_title?ie=3DUTF8&th=3D1 > > This soldering station is very convenient and heats up FAST! > > There are lots of other things that seem to come and go (many of the item= s > are no longer listed.) > > This are cheap, but for what I need them for, I have never been > disappointed. The advantage is that I have LOTS of batteries for them an= d > it is so great to not have to get other chargers and such. > > Moose > > > > > > > From: Pat Horne > To: Moose > Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Date: 03/02/2025 10:01 > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Battery impacts, was: weak impact > ------------------------------ > > > > Moose, for decades I=E2=80=99ve worshiped @ the church of DeWalt. For the= last > couple decades I=E2=80=99ve purchased mostly refurbished tools from CPO O= utlets. > Everything has looked new, sometimes in factory packaging. About half new > price. > > Can you provide any land of the rising sun brand names or where to find > them please? > > Here endith the reading. > > Peace, Pat > > Pat Horne > We support Habitat for Humanity > > > On Mar 2, 2025, at 8:46=E2=80=AFAM, Moose wrote: > > =EF=BB=BFScott, you are treading on 'religious ground' with this question= . 8>) > > Here is my take... > > Dewalt has the most tools and is really solid. (Except their chainsaw!) > > Milwaukee is pretty much top of the heap, but expensive and don't have as > many different tools. > > All other brands are less costly and have a great selection, but seem to > be more 'consumer' than 'professional.' > > My way is to go Dewalt for most things and do Milwaukee for the stuff the= y > are WAY better at. (chainsaws, pole trimmers, etc.) > > Also note, the land of the rising sun is now making tons of tools that ar= e > compatible with Dewalt and Milwaukee's batteries. These tools are super > cheap (both in quality and price) but really extend the offerings of both > brands. Tons of options for lights, inverters, etc. > > Amen. > > Moose > > > > From: Scott Hall > To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" > Date: 03/01/2025 18:13 > Subject: [Shop-talk] Battery impacts, was: weak impact > Sent by: "Shop-talk" > ------------------------------ > > > > Followed all the suggestions, still not budging the lug nuts. It's runnin= g > off a regular yellow coiled air line, straight from the compressor tank. > > Everyone is so bullish on the battery impacts maybe I need one. > > So...which one? I didn't have any other battery tools (lost in the same > fire that got my air tools), so I don't have an existing battery ecosyste= m > I want to use. > > Twenty years ago I had a Milwaukee 18v impact that was no more impressive > than the 2131 and I didn't use it except at the track. I assume they've > improved since then. > > Are they all about the same or is one clearly better than the others? > > Thanks fellas. > > Scott _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: *http://www.team.net/donate.html* > > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: *http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk* > *http://autox.team.net/archive* > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > *http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eric@megageek.com* > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas@icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdinnis@gmail.com > > --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D Never offend people with style when you =3D =3D can offend with substance --- Sam Brown =3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --0000000000005ef2bc062f60e920 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just be careful=C2=A0with some of this off-brand stuff.=C2= =A0 The Dewalt system batteries do not have the battery management system i= n the battery, it is in the tool.=C2=A0 Not all of the off brand stuff incl= udes this.=C2=A0 You must make sure to carefully monitor your batteries whe= n using this stuff and DO NOT leave a battery attached when not in use.=C2= =A0 Learned that the hard way on one of those USB / Light combos.=C2=A0 The= USB charger stayed on even if the light is off and will drain a battery fl= at eventually.=C2=A0 Lithium batteries do not like this.

On Sun, Mar 2, 2025 at 9:47=E2=80=AFAM Moose <eric@megageek.com> wrote:
Pat, =

I didn't know about the CPO si= te.=C2=A0 Looks cool! =C2=A0(I think I'm going to place an order there now.)

As for what I'm talking about,= just search Amazon.

Here are some of the most recent things I got that are WAY better than I expected.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0= BC7B7ZBN/ref=3Dppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=3DUTF8&psc=3D1

Great cheap flood light with USB p= orts. =C2=A0Nice for camping or blackouts.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0= CQX1Q3G9/ref=3Dppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=3DUTF8&psc=3D1

This inverter works great.=C2=A0 L= ots of flexibility to it.


https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0C= XPJGZC6/ref=3Dppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=3DUTF8&th=3D1

This soldering station is very con= venient and heats up FAST!

There are lots of other things tha= t seem to come and go (many of the items are no longer listed.)

This are cheap, but for what I nee= d them for, I have never been disappointed.=C2=A0 The advantage is that I have LOTS of batteries for them and it is so great to not have to get other chargers and such.

Moose






From: =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Pat Horne <patintexas@icloud.com&g= t;
To: =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Moose <eric@megageek.com>
Cc: =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Shop-talk@autox.team.net
Date: =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A003/02/2025 10:01
Subject: =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Re: [Shop-talk] Battery impacts, was: weak impact



Moose, for decades I=E2=80=99ve worshiped @ the church= of DeWalt. For the last couple decades I=E2=80=99ve purchased mostly refurbished tools= from CPO Outlets. Everything has looked new, sometimes in factory packaging. About half new price.

Can you provide any land of the rising sun brand names or where to find them please?

Here endith the reading.

Peace, Pat

Pat Horne
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Mar 2, 2025, at 8:46=E2=80=AFAM, Moose <eric@megageek.com> wrote:
=EF=BB=BFS= cott, you are treading on 'religious ground' with this question. =C2=A08>)

Here is my take...

Dewalt has the most tools and is really solid. =C2=A0(Except their chainsaw= !)

Milwaukee is pretty much top of the heap, but expensive and don't have as many different tools.

All other brands are less costly and have a great selection, but seem to be more 'consumer' than 'professional.'

My way is to go Dewalt for most things and do Milwaukee for the stuff they are WAY better at. =C2=A0(chainsaws, pole trimmers, etc.)

Also note, the land of the rising sun is now making tons of tools that are compatible with Dewalt and Milwaukee's batteries.=C2=A0 These tools are super cheap (both in quality and price) but really extend the offerings of both brands. Tons of options for lights, inverters, etc.

Amen.

Moose



From: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Scott Hall <scott.hall.personal@gmail.com>
To: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0= "shop-ta= lk@autox.team.net" <Shop-talk= @autox.team.net>
Date: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A003/01/2025 18:13
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Followed all the suggestions, still not budging the lug nuts. It's runn= ing off a regular yellow coiled air line, straight from the compressor tank. =C2=A0

Everyone is so bullish on the battery impacts maybe I need one. =C2=A0

So...which one? I didn't have any other battery tools (lost in the same fire that got my air tools), so I don't have an existing battery ecosys= tem I want to use. =C2=A0

Twenty years ago I had a Milwaukee 18v impact that was no more impressive than the 2131 and I didn't use it except at the track. I assume they= 9;ve improved since then. =C2=A0

Are they all about the same or is one clearly better than the others? =C2= =A0

Thanks fellas. =C2=A0

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I forgot how much I enjoyed reading the list. So here'= s another one:

I used to have Griots Garage wheel storag= e 'poles'--they bolt to the wall/stud and stick out perpendicularly= and you hang your wheels on them.

I don't see= them on the Griots website any more. It looks like I'm starting from s= cratch on wheel storage.=C2=A0

I've got eight-= -no, nine--sets of wheels and tires in the garage right now. Opinions on th= e best way to store them, and why you like them? Right now they're stac= ked against the wall and on the shelves and I don't like that.

WRT the impact: ordered the Dewalt DCF-900. It says it'= ;s rated for 1400 pounds, I think. I guess if the lug nuts don't spin, = it just twists off the lug stud itself. I guess either way the wheel's = coming off.

Scott
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It says it's rated for = 1400 pounds, I think. I guess if the lug nuts don't spin, it just twists of= f the lug stud itself. I guess either way the wheel's << coming off. This comment reminded me of a comment from a friend of mine (in the Austin = Healey club - obligatory LBC content) who said he twisted of a couple wheel= studs on a 50's or 60' Chrysler product before he realized that the studs = on the LH side of the car were LH thread. Jus' sayin'. Dave=20 =20 On Sunday, March 2, 2025 at 05:39:20 PM CST, Scott Hall wrote: =20 I forgot how much I enjoyed reading the list. So here's another one: I used to have Griots Garage wheel storage 'poles'--they bolt to the wall/s= tud and stick out perpendicularly and you hang your wheels on them. I don't see them on the Griots website any more. It looks like I'm starting= from scratch on wheel storage.=C2=A0 I've got eight--no, nine--sets of wheels and tires in the garage right now.= Opinions on the best way to store them, and why you like them? Right now t= hey're stacked against the wall and on the shelves and I don't like that. WRT the impact: ordered the Dewalt DCF-900. It says it's rated for 1400 pou= nds, I think. I guess if the lug nuts don't spin, it just twists off the lu= g stud itself. I guess either way the wheel's coming off. Scott_______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arch= ive ssey@cs.com =20 ------=_Part_6550689_2076321233.1741003361094 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
<< WRT the impact: ordered the Dewalt DCF-900. It says it's rated f= or 1400 pounds, I think. I guess if the lug nuts don't spin, it just twists= off the lug stud itself. I guess either way the wheel's << coming of= f.

This comment reminded me of a comment from a fr= iend of mine (in the Austin Healey club - obligatory LBC content) who said = he twisted of a couple wheel studs on a 50's or 60' Chrysler product before= he realized that the studs on the LH side of the car were LH thread.
=

Jus' sayin'.


Dave




=20
=20
On Sunday, March 2, 2025 at 05:39:20 PM CST, Scott = Hall <scott.hall.personal@gmail.com> wrote:


= I forgot how much I enjoyed reading the list. So here's another one:
I used to have Griots Garage wheel storage 'poles'--they bolt = to the wall/stud and stick out perpendicularly and you hang your wheels on = them.

I don't see them on the Griots website any m= ore. It looks like I'm starting from scratch on wheel storage. 
<= div>
I've got eight--no, nine--sets of wheels and tires in th= e garage right now. Opinions on the best way to store them, and why you lik= e them? Right now they're stacked against the wall and on the shelves and I= don't like that.

WRT the impact: ordered the Dewa= lt DCF-900. It says it's rated for 1400 pounds, I think. I guess if the lug= nuts don't spin, it just twists off the lug stud itself. I guess either wa= y the wheel's coming off.

Scott
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Lately as I'm getting older and lug nuts don't jus= t fly off like they used to when I had more muscle mass, I do find myself a= t least once per tire rotation going, "wait, I'm not tightening th= is, right?"

=
On Mon, Mar 3, 2025 at 6:02=E2=80=AFA= M DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com= > wrote:
=
<= div>
<<=C2=A0W= RT the impact: ordered the Dewalt DCF-900. It says it's rated for 1400 = pounds, I think. I guess if the lug nuts don't spin, it just twists off= the lug stud itself. I guess either way the wheel's << coming of= f.

This comment rem= inded me of a comment from a friend of mine (in the Austin Healey club - ob= ligatory LBC content) who said he twisted of a couple wheel studs on a 50&#= 39;s or 60' Chrysler product before he realized that the studs on the L= H side of the car were LH thread.

Jus' sayin'.


Dave
=




=20
=20
On Sunday, March 2, 2025 at 05:39:20 PM CST, Scott = Hall <scott.hall.personal@gmail.com> wrote:


I forgot how much I enjoyed reading the list. So here= 's another one:

I used to have Griots Garage wheel s= torage 'poles'--they bolt to the wall/stud and stick out perpendicu= larly and you hang your wheels on them.

I don'= t see them on the Griots website any more. It looks like I'm starting f= rom scratch on wheel storage.=C2=A0

I've got e= ight--no, nine--sets of wheels and tires in the garage right now. Opinions = on the best way to store them, and why you like them? Right now they're= stacked against the wall and on the shelves and I don't like that.

WRT the impact: ordered the Dewalt DCF-900. It says i= t's rated for 1400 pounds, I think. I guess if the lug nuts don't s= pin, it just twists off the lug stud itself. I guess either way the wheel&#= 39;s coming off.

Scott
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These were across the nearly top of a wall, spaced every other stud (32" apart) and then had an aluminum angle bar 3"x3" laid across the lot of them: Side view W| A| L|\ L|_\______^_ Tire/wheel combos would be strapped in pairs, and then held up with the tires resting against the wall on one side, and the angle bar on the other. like this: |O, This worked great for the light weight race car/sports car sets--which weighed less than 45 lbs per wheel/tire. It wasn't easy to get the heavier sets down by myself (the rack base was set at 6 1/2 feet), but do-able in singles (I used cheap HF ratchet straps). However, when I tried to put up a set of off-road tires/wheels from my G-wagon that weigh 112 lbs each, it was too much (both to lift up over my head easily, and for the lag-bolts to support. In my next shop, I'm going to have a set of big-box warehouse style shelves (3 feet deep, 8 feet long, set up perpendicular from one wall (so I can get access to both sides, kind of like a data center rack setup), and then I can just use a lightweight aluminum pole in the center of the wheels and have that pole across a pair of shelves against the wall. I guess the real question is how often do you need to swap out sets of tires/wheels? if it's just seasonally for winter something out of the way is fine, but if you're vintage racing or (god forbid) drifting and go through multiple sets of tires a month, just stacking them like a giant tower of hanoi in one area is probably easiest. If you really are going through 8 sets regularly, maybe set up a tire/wheel room where you can even mount and balance them yourself. Then you can store the tires separately from the wheels, putting wheels horizontally on shelves and good tires on the brackets I describe. --Miq On Sun, Mar 2, 2025 at 3:40=E2=80=AFPM Scott Hall wrote: > I forgot how much I enjoyed reading the list. So here's another one: > > I used to have Griots Garage wheel storage 'poles'--they bolt to the > wall/stud and stick out perpendicularly and you hang your wheels on them. > > I don't see them on the Griots website any more. It looks like I'm > starting from scratch on wheel storage. > > I've got eight--no, nine--sets of wheels and tires in the garage right > now. Opinions on the best way to store them, and why you like them? Right > now they're stacked against the wall and on the shelves and I don't like > that. > > WRT the impact: ordered the Dewalt DCF-900. It says it's rated for 1400 > pounds, I think. I guess if the lug nuts don't spin, it just twists off t= he > lug stud itself. I guess either way the wheel's coming off. > > Scott > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/miq@bigllama.com > > --00000000000064c36c062f72cd09 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I used to have a large set of home made L brackets, approx= imately 2 feet tall and long, that I lag-bolted to the studs.=C2=A0 These w= ere across the nearly top of a wall, spaced every other stud (32" apar= t) and then had an aluminum angle bar 3"x3" laid across the lot o= f them:

Side view
W|
A|
L|= \
L|_\______^_

Tire/wheel combos would b= e strapped in pairs, and then held up with the tires resting against=C2=A0t= he wall on one side, and the angle bar on the other.
like this:

|O,

This worked great for = the light weight race car/sports car sets--which weighed less than 45 lbs p= er wheel/tire.=C2=A0 It wasn't easy to get the heavier sets down by mys= elf (the rack base was set at 6 1/2 feet), but do-able in singles (I used c= heap HF ratchet straps).

However, when I tried to = put up a set of off-road tires/wheels from my G-wagon that weigh 112 lbs ea= ch, it was too much (both to lift up over my head easily, and for the lag-b= olts to support.

In my next shop, I'm going to= have a set of big-box warehouse=C2=A0style shelves (3 feet deep, 8 feet lo= ng,=C2=A0 set up perpendicular from one wall (so I can get access to both s= ides, kind of like a data center rack setup), and then I can just use a lig= htweight aluminum pole in the center of the wheels and have that pole acros= s a pair of shelves against the wall.

I guess the = real question is how often do you need to swap out sets of tires/wheels?=C2= =A0 if it's just seasonally for winter something out of the way is fine= , but if you're vintage racing or (god forbid) drifting and go through = multiple sets of tires a month, just stacking them like a giant tower of ha= noi in one area is probably easiest.

If you really= are going through 8 sets regularly, maybe set up a tire/wheel room where y= ou can even mount and balance=C2=A0them yourself.=C2=A0 Then you can store = the tires separately from the wheels, putting wheels horizontally on shelve= s and good tires on the brackets I describe.

=C2= =A0 --Miq

<= div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Mar 2, 2025 at 3:40=E2=80=AFPM= Scott Hall <scott.hall= .personal@gmail.com> wrote:
I forgot how much I enjoyed reading the= list. So here's another one:

I used to have Griots = Garage wheel storage 'poles'--they bolt to the wall/stud and stick = out perpendicularly and you hang your wheels on them.

<= div>I don't see them on the Griots website any more. It looks like I= 9;m starting from scratch on wheel storage.=C2=A0

= I've got eight--no, nine--sets of wheels and tires in the garage right = now. Opinions on the best way to store them, and why you like them? Right n= ow they're stacked against the wall and on the shelves and I don't = like that.

WRT the impact: ordered the Dewalt DCF-= 900. It says it's rated for 1400 pounds, I think. I guess if the lug nu= ts don't spin, it just twists off the lug stud itself. I guess either w= ay the wheel's coming off.

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--00000000000064c36c062f72cd09-- --===============1023568178239398024== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============1023568178239398024==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 3 10:09:41 2025 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4596BA0612 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2025 10:09:41 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qv1-f42.google.com (unknown [209.85.219.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7656AA05AE for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2025 09:50:48 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qv1-f42.google.com with SMTP id 6a1803df08f44-6e889e77249so39121766d6.1 for ; Mon, 03 Mar 2025 08:50:17 -0800 (PST) d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1741020617; x=1741625417; darn=autox.team.net; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=qgBdPdfIS8CMdRDU+cz5KoZJzvQVuetf+rNtpgWxkOg=; b=mXrcgmWY83QZueE0M0QqRpxUMf+mwfrv7y+Vj6k0TubfLs4SDbWBWDGTLP4+r1jo4z riSGEaEhJ2x/91SqtlJBeifd81P/EdmA8TNjM9Vpvgw5vlVflFsyMY6AesxJfsL/dIaQ d1grtzEBUzZESHqoXOfNMtrRLxXL1H+X7VgOfSJ3jbGxu6ZN8nQ0TAIc+zzcJXXFPDNN 1g6U/qGdjBca1ax5IKN11sqbEFHhMkZTNSc0Tj0fNeMjWHB2aKJmK4xKK7MI5t006cL6 VvX2v4uwvXb8XyoCf6xjkB3PZf69RD8qdA4DThZrAtcJeo/04V8D7FOSj/J935wtSU8k LGRw== d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1741020617; x=1741625417; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=qgBdPdfIS8CMdRDU+cz5KoZJzvQVuetf+rNtpgWxkOg=; b=IuVrg+Nr0EaXS04yhndGgCxFn7y2F4K+DCS4pcOmNCECeF6Tui2Ogi+ReeOB3mitR6 TwM/iCtdtBzMOIJKLNUcyU7NIB3DfyURi4DD4AWmWm7COntR7LpGroN28Pn7p/17aNqN 5bf1/xxJfha0fGtepSc3DTAiKEGphccdEL7Ec6JopiKSKbVKNwkP31e5RmVEcpVMpnMj qkBBYtgXit4CK+AiE3y1tGFe79cxIu3OYUiO9I3rUsfoZccTLOEWf79VzOzfW8c+Vto9 k80KY5//Glyh2SYLQswD8ajZtKZ1oorCZsImUv4EHbr2xn6DlM+agXwvwuCGljweFbaj wc/A== wtk9hnXAFdFjo59RWL5xQUcoQ/9kNe/oWkObQb5caL9nBoKuZIlrw38j+GH2Gd6eT6uaaaD9Wyj NDrXYo+VbIEmYxm8l0w2MKb9ZcNuDrg== hLMGnM2JWfWjuAV+wSlFX/UcC/K7Z7B13fthGwKwjCq+OjYujeRhZ2I2Wxh/kqDp+mJwAtx9f6g HXQHjjLpA6eImRIA0UynpndKtW 6a1803df08f44-6e8a0d9d84emr206501796d6.42.1741020616929; Mon, 03 Mar 2025 08:50:16 -0800 (PST) References: From: Scott Hall Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2025 10:49:40 -0600 To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tire storage Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0171979778587250969== --0000000000006b37ba062f72f399 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Miq, I was thinking something like your original setup, but I had weight concerns, too. I'm confident I could build the 'shelf' strong enough, but getting them up and down would be a pain in the butt. I don't want to be at an orthopedist in two years explaining how I hurt my back hoisting wheels over my head. They don't rotate that often, but I'd like them off the floor. The Griots ones were nice because you could mount them at whatever height you wanted. I guess I could find someone to weld me up some replacements, but that seems like it would be easier for me to just buy a new welder and make them myself, and a new garage oven and powder coating gear. Scott On Mon, Mar 3, 2025 at 10:39=E2=80=AFAM MIQ MILLMAN wrot= e: > I used to have a large set of home made L brackets, approximately 2 feet > tall and long, that I lag-bolted to the studs. These were across the > nearly top of a wall, spaced every other stud (32" apart) and then had an > aluminum angle bar 3"x3" laid across the lot of them: > > Side view > W| > A| > L|\ > L|_\______^_ > > Tire/wheel combos would be strapped in pairs, and then held up with the > tires resting against the wall on one side, and the angle bar on the othe= r. > like this: > > |O, > > This worked great for the light weight race car/sports car sets--which > weighed less than 45 lbs per wheel/tire. It wasn't easy to get the heavi= er > sets down by myself (the rack base was set at 6 1/2 feet), but do-able in > singles (I used cheap HF ratchet straps). > > However, when I tried to put up a set of off-road tires/wheels from my > G-wagon that weigh 112 lbs each, it was too much (both to lift up over my > head easily, and for the lag-bolts to support. > > In my next shop, I'm going to have a set of big-box warehouse style > shelves (3 feet deep, 8 feet long, set up perpendicular from one wall (s= o > I can get access to both sides, kind of like a data center rack setup), a= nd > then I can just use a lightweight aluminum pole in the center of the whee= ls > and have that pole across a pair of shelves against the wall. > > I guess the real question is how often do you need to swap out sets of > tires/wheels? if it's just seasonally for winter something out of the wa= y > is fine, but if you're vintage racing or (god forbid) drifting and go > through multiple sets of tires a month, just stacking them like a giant > tower of hanoi in one area is probably easiest. > > If you really are going through 8 sets regularly, maybe set up a > tire/wheel room where you can even mount and balance them yourself. Then > you can store the tires separately from the wheels, putting wheels > horizontally on shelves and good tires on the brackets I describe. > > --Miq > > On Sun, Mar 2, 2025 at 3:40=E2=80=AFPM Scott Hall > wrote: > >> I forgot how much I enjoyed reading the list. So here's another one: >> >> I used to have Griots Garage wheel storage 'poles'--they bolt to the >> wall/stud and stick out perpendicularly and you hang your wheels on them= . >> >> I don't see them on the Griots website any more. It looks like I'm >> starting from scratch on wheel storage. >> >> I've got eight--no, nine--sets of wheels and tires in the garage right >> now. Opinions on the best way to store them, and why you like them? Righ= t >> now they're stacked against the wall and on the shelves and I don't like >> that. >> >> WRT the impact: ordered the Dewalt DCF-900. It says it's rated for 1400 >> pounds, I think. I guess if the lug nuts don't spin, it just twists off = the >> lug stud itself. I guess either way the wheel's coming off. >> >> Scott >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/miq@bigllama.com >> >> --0000000000006b37ba062f72f399 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Miq,

I was thinking something like your= original setup, but I had weight concerns, too. I'm confident I could = build the 'shelf' strong enough, but getting them up and down would= be a pain in the butt. I don't want to be at an orthopedist in two yea= rs explaining how I hurt my back hoisting wheels over my head. They don'= ;t rotate that often, but I'd like them off the floor. The Griots ones = were nice because you could mount them at whatever height you wanted.
=

I guess I could find someone to weld me up some replace= ments, but that seems like it would be easier for me to just buy a new weld= er and make them myself, and a new garage oven and powder coating gear.
=

Scott

On Mon, Mar 3, 2= 025 at 10:39=E2=80=AFAM MIQ MILLMAN <miq@bigllama.com> wrote:
I used to have a large set of home made L= brackets, approximately 2 feet tall and long, that I lag-bolted to the stu= ds.=C2=A0 These were across the nearly top of a wall, spaced every other st= ud (32" apart) and then had an aluminum angle bar 3"x3" laid= across the lot of them:

Side view
W|
A|
L|\
L|_\______^_

Tire/whe= el combos would be strapped in pairs, and then held up with the tires resti= ng against=C2=A0the wall on one side, and the angle bar on the other.
=
like this:

|O,

This = worked great for the light weight race car/sports car sets--which weighed l= ess than 45 lbs per wheel/tire.=C2=A0 It wasn't easy to get the heavier= sets down by myself (the rack base was set at 6 1/2 feet), but do-able in = singles (I used cheap HF ratchet straps).

However,= when I tried to put up a set of off-road tires/wheels from my G-wagon that= weigh 112 lbs each, it was too much (both to lift up over my head easily, = and for the lag-bolts to support.

In my next shop,= I'm going to have a set of big-box warehouse=C2=A0style shelves (3 fee= t deep, 8 feet long,=C2=A0 set up perpendicular from one wall (so I can get= access to both sides, kind of like a data center rack setup), and then I c= an just use a lightweight aluminum pole in the center of the wheels and hav= e that pole across a pair of shelves against the wall.

=
I guess the real question is how often do you need to swap out sets of= tires/wheels?=C2=A0 if it's just seasonally for winter something out o= f the way is fine, but if you're vintage racing or (god forbid) driftin= g and go through multiple sets of tires a month, just stacking them like a = giant tower of hanoi in one area is probably easiest.

<= div>If you really are going through 8 sets regularly, maybe set up a tire/w= heel room where you can even mount and balance=C2=A0them yourself.=C2=A0 Th= en you can store the tires separately from the wheels, putting wheels horiz= ontally on shelves and good tires on the brackets I describe.
=C2=A0 --Miq

On Sun, Mar 2, 2025 at 3:40=E2=80=AFPM Scott = Hall <scott.hall.personal@gmail.com> wrote:
I forgot how much I enjoyed = reading the list. So here's another one:

I used to h= ave Griots Garage wheel storage 'poles'--they bolt to the wall/stud= and stick out perpendicularly and you hang your wheels on them.
=
I don't see them on the Griots website any more. It look= s like I'm starting from scratch on wheel storage.=C2=A0

=
I've got eight--no, nine--sets of wheels and tires in the ga= rage right now. Opinions on the best way to store them, and why you like th= em? Right now they're stacked against the wall and on the shelves and I= don't like that.

WRT the impact: ordered the = Dewalt DCF-900. It says it's rated for 1400 pounds, I think. I guess if= the lug nuts don't spin, it just twists off the lug stud itself. I gue= ss either way the wheel's coming off.

Scott
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--0000000000006b37ba062f72f399-- --===============0171979778587250969== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============0171979778587250969==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 3 10:36:35 2025 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D393A065F for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2025 10:36:35 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from Deep13.mail.Megageek.com (unknown [34.199.103.79]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33013A0600 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2025 10:32:35 -0700 (MST) References: To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net type=4; name=$KeepSent From: eric@megageek.com Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2025 12:32:08 -0500 03/03/2025 12:32:16 PM, Serialize complete at 03/03/2025 12:32:16 PM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tire storage Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============2407623130102824405== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 006051C885258C42_= Just an idea, I don't do this, but it's an idea. What if you mounted a winch (electric) from the ceiling. Then you bring the hook it to the ground, drop it through the center of the tires, put a bar on the bottom, and hoist them all up? If you have a high enough ceiling (12') and you had 4 X 12" wide tires, they would be up and out of the way. It would be effortless to put them up and down, and it save VALUABLE wall space! Just an idea. Moose --=_alternative 006051C885258C42_= Just an idea, I don't do this, but it's an idea.

What if you mounted a winch (electric) from the ceiling.  Then you bring the hook it to the ground, drop it through the center of the tires, put a bar on the bottom, and hoist them all up?  If you have a high enough ceiling (12') and you had 4 X 12" wide tires, they would be up and out of the way.  It would be effortless to put them up and down, and it save VALUABLE wall space!

Just an idea.

Moose --=_alternative 006051C885258C42_=-- --===============2407623130102824405== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============2407623130102824405==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 3 11:15:37 2025 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 434E7A06C8 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2025 11:15:37 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-qt1-f171.google.com (unknown [209.85.160.171]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAD3FA06A2 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2025 11:09:17 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-qt1-f171.google.com with SMTP id d75a77b69052e-46c8474d8f6so42657381cf.3 for ; Mon, 03 Mar 2025 10:08:47 -0800 (PST) d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1741025326; x=1741630126; darn=autox.team.net; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=uz7PLV6HYNCvRbZE0fqXWUUSluGKg0ptbmYHxIHf23w=; b=FcruHSu817UZlkZlcbxU1t7jGBJ0CwHJq9831yMV1n0Wiz8wPOE51BjSfzuOza0suH 98rmPJpoQA6wHenfXZH1CD95g3DpRm5ZgP21//uDoSv76mZ2mvMZm02zdU+QXJ7cq0kp wOipiWuXLDk8vJsjHpyFVnEu1TTfk5q8KAljbD7XpYJd0NPQoe83p3BS6XrzuJs9LWXs P6M2MCqxFa/IVExqtjER+7pd68n85L3wK35xW3rlmyF//dx9+bjjLOh8Rv9snSbWfwGp nI9E2I4mn3oyGBro07TvhfJwnAnH5ICGFzH1TrnYV2U/RXXn6EAxgeOhIfTY8ntQuDqK vSEQ== d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1741025326; x=1741630126; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=uz7PLV6HYNCvRbZE0fqXWUUSluGKg0ptbmYHxIHf23w=; b=LyVXM4ZFsW6YN4XyQ0LTaSA48JEueX04uAbcalBcYAdwobfFxhocxYM5XmJpsa48h0 /aiKrxmwUryWju9gV3b8cIprKE5tWAk8817XLoEbYN0oyKzCRUj0dlemKP5QLRVNpPwW denCu4z3JZwLyQJmcI5Wt9+gF7g+hiIqdMmAunQzLMrinTZBQctRNEaepRcM7oNo4MIX EeruungR367OA5tHqsCziTysL2UIsZIAVmhlFwjeO8zqjeQyXTegVJZ55q0qJNuAUD9e mpq8lSayth9jH/vdRgfCMMxAX7exI7SVj3mS30jbuDYEgiSeKZmuDq/A+aOCQWWXinjh Kw9Q== A9tH3QbkvRp3b0zFet6sJkPg+BEqgtPE6DAd3hqS8E/N4o/B0tSWWgnAQVc5inZ1IAnyMizqI+F Mw2ktd5aV/x27rKg1gcjNdamfJu2GUg== dquTTF5a8w2dANYq7zUMZqKSHv9Mxs3ytwIYKfdoV4NpMPD9llmRoBe9gJ1YwaQ7VQHnzLPrHSk 7t6gIytkYcFVJtjhvFOLg2je9g 6a1803df08f44-6e8a0d94f85mr225918526d6.37.1741025326169; Mon, 03 Mar 2025 10:08:46 -0800 (PST) References: From: Scott Hall Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2025 12:08:09 -0600 To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tire storage Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============6560441934168964595== --0000000000001c8b34062f740ca3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Moose, I've seen plans and was thinking about building a lift/hoist/elevator into the attic space above the garage. It seems like most of them cut a larger hole in the ceiling then use cable hoists to power the hatch as an elevator. I should do that anyway for just regular storage. I'm wondering how the tires and TPMS sensors would enjoy a summer up there, though. Scott On Mon, Mar 3, 2025 at 11:32=E2=80=AFAM wrote: > Just an idea, I don't do this, but it's an idea. > > What if you mounted a winch (electric) from the ceiling. Then you bring > the hook it to the ground, drop it through the center of the tires, put a > bar on the bottom, and hoist them all up? If you have a high enough > ceiling (12') and you had 4 X 12" wide tires, they would be up and out of > the way. It would be effortless to put them up and down, and it save > VALUABLE wall space! > > Just an idea. > > Moose --0000000000001c8b34062f740ca3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Moose,=C2=A0

I've seen plans and wa= s thinking about building a lift/hoist/elevator into the attic space above = the garage. It seems like most of them cut a larger hole in the ceiling the= n use cable hoists to power the hatch as an elevator. I should do that anyw= ay=C2=A0for just regular storage. I'm wondering how the tires and TPMS = sensors would enjoy a summer up there, though.

Sco= tt

On Mon, Mar 3, 2025 at 11:32=E2=80=AFAM <<= a href=3D"mailto:eric@megageek.com">eric@megageek.com> wrote:
Just an idea, I don't do this, but it's an idea.

What if you mounted a winch (elect= ric) from the ceiling.=C2=A0 Then you bring the hook it to the ground, drop it through the center of the tires, put a bar on the bottom, and hoist them all up?=C2=A0 If you have a high enough ceiling (12') and you had 4 X 12" wide tires, they would be up and out of the way.=C2=A0 It would be effortless to put them up and down, and it save VALUABLE wall space!

Just an idea.

Moose
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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID c481d1a6f324d631a79c93c6df4470ec; Mon, 03 Mar 2025 21:11:54 +0000 (UTC) From: "john niolon" To: "shop-talk" Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2025 15:11:51 -0600 User-Agent: OEClassic/5.0 (Win10.19045; P; 2025-02-15) References: <1UkHwSoNzU.2KSmO2Yfqg8.ref@johns-desktop> mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Subject: [Shop-talk] air hose fittings Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3889604194124936577== --------------070505080703090207060102 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I'm tired of using H.F. junk air hose fittings... they all leak and are a = pain to couple and uncouple. You have to pull the collar back and push in t= he male connector then reverse it to remove =20 I want the push in (without the collar) easy to release 3/8" flow =E2=80=A6= don't=20 care about the thread size I can adapt. My old hands and grip are as weak as my bank balance., =20 What is affordable and usable.. I've got about 10 air tools (male) and th= ree hoses (female) and the money will add up quickly =20 =20 thanks john --------------070505080703090207060102 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
I'm tired of using H.F. junk air hose fittings= =2E..  they all leak and are a pain to couple and uncouple. You have t= o pull the collar back and push in the male connector then reverse it to re= move
 
I want the push in (without the collar) easy t= o release 3/8" flow =E2=80=A6 don't care about the thread size I can adapt.=   My old hands and grip are as weak
as my bank balance.,
 
What is affordable and usable..   I'= ve got about 10 air tools (male) and three hoses (female) and the money wil= l add up quickly  
 
thanks
john
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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 62260afd7db1ee2e7b8c3703c9ffb743; Mon, 03 Mar 2025 21:29:57 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2025 16:29:56 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: Content-Language: en-US From: Jim Juhas mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tire storage Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============5404549729456829881== boundary="------------87XwxHIWSugSQPX5PWxFs0ML" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------87XwxHIWSugSQPX5PWxFs0ML Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I've had some recent experience learning about TPMS sensors, how to activate and program them as replacements. I learned that they don't do anything unless they are in motion, so battery life, the only thing I would expect to be a factor in storage, won't have a drain if they are sitting still. The life of the tires, though, is something always under dispute and subject to lots of interpretation. On 3/3/2025 1:08 PM, Scott Hall wrote: > Moose, > > I've seen plans and was thinking about building a lift/hoist/elevator > into the attic space above the garage. It seems like most of them cut > a larger hole in the ceiling then use cable hoists to power the hatch > as an elevator. I should do that anyway for just regular storage. I'm > wondering how the tires and TPMS sensors would enjoy a summer up > there, though. > > Scott > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2025 at 11:32 AM wrote: > > Just an idea, I don't do this, but it's an idea. > > What if you mounted a winch (electric) from the ceiling.  Then you > bring the hook it to the ground, drop it through the center of the > tires, put a bar on the bottom, and hoist them all up?  If you > have a high enough ceiling (12') and you had 4 X 12" wide tires, > they would be up and out of the way.  It would be effortless to > put them up and down, and it save VALUABLE wall space! > > Just an idea. > > Moose > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/james.f.juhas@snet.net > --------------87XwxHIWSugSQPX5PWxFs0ML boundary="------------xLiTuWfRsHo347XJdWOBMicO" --------------xLiTuWfRsHo347XJdWOBMicO Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I've had some recent experience learning about TPMS sensors, how to activate and program them as replacements. I learned that they don't do anything unless they are in motion, so battery life, the only thing I would expect to be a factor in storage, won't have a drain if they are sitting still. The life of the tires, though, is something always under dispute and subject to lots of interpretation.

On 3/3/2025 1:08 PM, Scott Hall wrote:
Moose, 

I've seen plans and was thinking about building a lift/hoist/elevator into the attic space above the garage. It seems like most of them cut a larger hole in the ceiling then use cable hoists to power the hatch as an elevator. I should do that anyway for just regular storage. I'm wondering how the tires and TPMS sensors would enjoy a summer up there, though.

Scott

On Mon, Mar 3, 2025 at 11:32 AM <eric@megageek.com> wrote:
Just an idea, I don't do this, but it's an idea.

What if you mounted a winch (electric) from the ceiling.  Then you bring the hook it to the ground, drop it through the center of the tires, put a bar on the bottom, and hoist them all up?  If you have a high enough ceiling (12') and you had 4 X 12" wide tires, they would be up and out of the way.  It would be effortless to put them up and down, and it save VALUABLE wall space!

Just an idea.

Moose

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[Shop-talk] air hose fittings Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============7106241547009693311== Content-Language: en-US boundary="_000_IA1PR10MB72157BDFAF71B3FEEC6BF02BABC82IA1PR10MB7215namp_" --_000_IA1PR10MB72157BDFAF71B3FEEC6BF02BABC82IA1PR10MB7215namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I always get mine from McMaster https://www.mcmaster.com/products/air-line-couplings/ Best, Doug mobile ________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of john niolon= Sent: Tuesday, March 4, 2025 2:41:51 AM To: shop-talk Subject: [Shop-talk] air hose fittings I'm tired of using H.F. junk air hose fittings... they all leak and are a = pain to couple and uncouple. You have to pull the collar back and push in t= he male connector then reverse it to remove I want the push in (without the collar) easy to release 3/8" flow =85 don't= care about the thread size I can adapt. My old hands and grip are as weak as my bank balance., What is affordable and usable.. I've got about 10 air tools (male) and th= ree hoses (female) and the money will add up quickly thanks john --_000_IA1PR10MB72157BDFAF71B3FEEC6BF02BABC82IA1PR10MB7215namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I always get mine from McMaster


Best,

Doug
mobile
From: Shop-talk <shop-ta= lk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of john niolon <jniolon@att.net&= gt;
Sent: Tuesday, March 4, 2025 2:41:51 AM
To: shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: [Shop-talk] air hose fittings
 
I'm tired of using H.F. junk air hose fittings= ...  they all leak and are a pain to couple and uncouple. You have to = pull the collar back and push in the male connector then reverse it to remo= ve
 
I want the push in (without the collar) easy t= o release 3/8" flow =85 don't care about the thread size I can adapt.&= nbsp; My old hands and grip are as weak
as my bank balance.,
 
What is affordable and usable..   I'= ve got about 10 air tools (male) and three hoses (female) and the money wil= l add up quickly  
 
thanks
john
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I bought a bunch of Milton brand couplers, and I'm ve= ry happy to change all of my cheap crap for them.=C2=A0 I got started when = these were on sale for about $7 each:

https://www.acmetools.com/mil= ton-99705-1-4in-fnpt-m-style-safety-coupler-s-99705/030937312150.html

They aren't that chea= p now but you can find them for $10 or $11.=C2=A0 They are a safety coupler= .=C2=A0 Push in to connect; one press of the red button loosens it and blee= ds the pressure, and the second press releases the coupling.=C2=A0 At the t= ime, I was getting paid to be the safety officer, so I was trained to think= about the worst that could happen.=C2=A0=C2=A0

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The Milton web site often runs sales, or you can wa= tch other places for deals.

On Mon, Mar 3, 2025,= 16:28 john niolon <jniolon@att.net> wrote:
I'm tired of using H.F. junk air hose fitt= ings...=C2=A0 they all leak and are a pain to couple and uncouple. You have= to pull the collar back and push in the male connector then reverse it to = remove
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I want the push in (without the collar) easy t= o release 3/8" flow =E2=80=A6 don't care about the thread size I c= an adapt.=C2=A0 My old=C2=A0hands and grip are as weak
as my bank balance.,
=C2=A0
What is affordable and usable..=C2=A0=C2=A0 I&= #39;ve got about 10 air tools (male) and three hoses (female) and the money= will add up quickly=C2=A0=C2=A0
=C2=A0
thanks
john
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--000000000000c0056d062f7a6b57-- --===============4141474879021636234== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============4141474879021636234==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 3 19:08:04 2025 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B53E4A014C for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2025 19:08:04 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (unknown [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2490BA06AB for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2025 18:53:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from [50.198.190.18] (bradakis [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2A3573A63AC for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2025 18:52:50 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2025 18:52:50 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <1UkHwSoNzU.2KSmO2Yfqg8.ref@johns-desktop> <1UkHwSoNzU.2KSmO2Yfqg8@johns-desktop> Content-Language: en-US From: Mark Bradakis Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] air hose fittings Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Years ago I was at some garden shop and I saw some quicj release hose fittings. I thought cool, just like my air hose fittings. I bought some, put them on the garden hose and various sprinklers and such. First day I had them, I figured they were just like my air hose fittings. I went to uncouple a sprayer from the main hose, which still had full pressure on it. A mistake you only make once. mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Mar 3 23:11:54 2025 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F107A0700 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2025 23:11:54 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ua1-f49.google.com (unknown [209.85.222.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45720A06E1 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2025 23:08:40 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-ua1-f49.google.com with SMTP id a1e0cc1a2514c-867129fdb0aso4649679241.1 for ; Mon, 03 Mar 2025 22:08:09 -0800 (PST) d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1741068489; x=1741673289; darn=autox.team.net; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=g52aOTZB+3h+Dk2QtY85UtwzlSlZpQqmadaDh6bx+Kw=; b=Vsuua7wjl8zpMqQdMv5fn7KcJu+VlFYusutPgdkuz110vp+vlDF7yOXBXdj/cf/2NR Ib1ZLvAQcIXG8qNzbs8I8M+F7eksRUXTqZ7hnwRh6OtYGy0zG3LQij4q4qidUQTnSODB IX3ltecB7IiIKzqf2JbGCGk2VvYUIb79tDzl7LEPF8yNcHE7Oeb/rzbOspyOv971YyWq BaBNbDpWD6U5Wfqw7ZuAxN9jDd9+bZJYajN3UrNZh6x+NgwvhuabiZMUXeyExeh5+RFo VMIuXbx+NvaphR1fgzFLBKEMmC9n3GNfLKMyhwZcyqD6Kggcdt3LigvjmvNdHquXWFwV LJqw== d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1741068489; x=1741673289; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=g52aOTZB+3h+Dk2QtY85UtwzlSlZpQqmadaDh6bx+Kw=; b=nvXXjwAwe7QfEvSLaeu6SlxNLWwSgpayXUt7KMgC/HcHs13j9dBetwG3e37iXl5f5B k/eHB6tZhAaIg4NkoFJgvT4aOfh2BYwjQCf5LZV+v89xZ9JvlzNt8mg1mR8QmUYHt8eQ nPItLBfTBxqGgWGUm5c1j0TE54cT5MOsTdgTBFTI/NCqEMWsii0a0g1hu1viVeiENMjX e2T8jnDepuRs+bKwBxiuVvryuTlBuC/moOCEjNpAqpGNmB762vB1CQASVsM0F03dMyh3 /s6HSNnKN+Dkvfrat223e7wkz5ev6wbxxEeCdvv6l+EHUaElIlb4pE9X3Wdw1TK8oUgH e3+w== SAnXfaWGWY2l4ef2IJUdK+49so7/aeY/x4yEYsYC3R/9iSnUP6zLCAincUGz/wrhHu/H2vY3z3B CqNN6n/h5iEmccEkBqzxR1yIbjupNGNputWs= y4dcChMzNl7KQG5DnUd7P4xlyY1AFnZE85KItOEog62V5oDpAUhZfB6NPYNfZE/8BS7alaJY7MM CC58GVVtztXHKYocLbwmWcutF5Tw== ada2fe7eead31-4c1b22717e1mr1859394137.12.1741068488692; Mon, 03 Mar 2025 22:08:08 -0800 (PST) References: From: Al Fuller Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2025 15:07:59 +0900 To: Scott Hall Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Tire storage Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4717116921005789139== --000000000000cc5c04062f7e1859 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Amazon and Uline sell tire racks, e.g. https://www.amazon.com/s?k=3DTire+ra= ck ________________ Sent from my phone Best Regards, Al Fuller On Tue, Mar 4, 2025, 2:11=E2=80=AFAM Scott Hall wrote: > Miq, > > I was thinking something like your original setup, but I had weight > concerns, too. I'm confident I could build the 'shelf' strong enough, but > getting them up and down would be a pain in the butt. I don't want to be = at > an orthopedist in two years explaining how I hurt my back hoisting wheels > over my head. They don't rotate that often, but I'd like them off the > floor. The Griots ones were nice because you could mount them at whatever > height you wanted. > > I guess I could find someone to weld me up some replacements, but that > seems like it would be easier for me to just buy a new welder and make th= em > myself, and a new garage oven and powder coating gear. > > Scott > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2025 at 10:39=E2=80=AFAM MIQ MILLMAN wr= ote: > >> I used to have a large set of home made L brackets, approximately 2 feet >> tall and long, that I lag-bolted to the studs. These were across the >> nearly top of a wall, spaced every other stud (32" apart) and then had a= n >> aluminum angle bar 3"x3" laid across the lot of them: >> >> Side view >> W| >> A| >> L|\ >> L|_\______^_ >> >> Tire/wheel combos would be strapped in pairs, and then held up with the >> tires resting against the wall on one side, and the angle bar on the oth= er. >> like this: >> >> |O, >> >> This worked great for the light weight race car/sports car sets--which >> weighed less than 45 lbs per wheel/tire. It wasn't easy to get the heav= ier >> sets down by myself (the rack base was set at 6 1/2 feet), but do-able i= n >> singles (I used cheap HF ratchet straps). >> >> However, when I tried to put up a set of off-road tires/wheels from my >> G-wagon that weigh 112 lbs each, it was too much (both to lift up over m= y >> head easily, and for the lag-bolts to support. >> >> In my next shop, I'm going to have a set of big-box warehouse style >> shelves (3 feet deep, 8 feet long, set up perpendicular from one wall (= so >> I can get access to both sides, kind of like a data center rack setup), = and >> then I can just use a lightweight aluminum pole in the center of the whe= els >> and have that pole across a pair of shelves against the wall. >> >> I guess the real question is how often do you need to swap out sets of >> tires/wheels? if it's just seasonally for winter something out of the w= ay >> is fine, but if you're vintage racing or (god forbid) drifting and go >> through multiple sets of tires a month, just stacking them like a giant >> tower of hanoi in one area is probably easiest. >> >> If you really are going through 8 sets regularly, maybe set up a >> tire/wheel room where you can even mount and balance them yourself. The= n >> you can store the tires separately from the wheels, putting wheels >> horizontally on shelves and good tires on the brackets I describe. >> >> --Miq >> >> On Sun, Mar 2, 2025 at 3:40=E2=80=AFPM Scott Hall >> wrote: >> >>> I forgot how much I enjoyed reading the list. So here's another one: >>> >>> I used to have Griots Garage wheel storage 'poles'--they bolt to the >>> wall/stud and stick out perpendicularly and you hang your wheels on the= m. >>> >>> I don't see them on the Griots website any more. It looks like I'm >>> starting from scratch on wheel storage. >>> >>> I've got eight--no, nine--sets of wheels and tires in the garage right >>> now. Opinions on the best way to store them, and why you like them? Rig= ht >>> now they're stacked against the wall and on the shelves and I don't lik= e >>> that. >>> >>> WRT the impact: ordered the Dewalt DCF-900. It says it's rated for 1400 >>> pounds, I think. I guess if the lug nuts don't spin, it just twists off= the >>> lug stud itself. I guess either way the wheel's coming off. >>> >>> Scott >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >>> http://autox.team.net/archive >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/miq@bigllama.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/alfuller194@gmail.com > > --000000000000cc5c04062f7e1859 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Amazon and Uline sell tire racks, e.g.=C2=A0https://www.amazon.com/s?k=3DTi= re+rack


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Al Fuller

On Tue, Mar 4, 2025, 2:11=E2= =80=AFAM Scott Hall <sc= ott.hall.personal@gmail.com> wrote:
Miq,

I was thinking something l= ike your original setup, but I had weight concerns, too. I'm confident = I could build the 'shelf' strong enough, but getting them up and do= wn would be a pain in the butt. I don't want to be at an orthopedist in= two years explaining how I hurt my back hoisting wheels over my head. They= don't rotate that often, but I'd like them off the floor. The Grio= ts ones were nice because you could mount them at whatever height you wante= d.

I guess I could find someone to weld me up some= replacements, but that seems like it would be easier for me to just buy a = new welder and make them myself, and a new garage oven and powder coating g= ear.

Scott

On Mon, Mar 3, 2025 at 10:39= =E2=80=AFAM MIQ MILLMAN <miq@bigllama.com> wrote:
I used to have a= large set of home made L brackets, approximately 2 feet tall and long, tha= t I lag-bolted to the studs.=C2=A0 These were across the nearly top of a wa= ll, spaced every other stud (32" apart) and then had an aluminum angle= bar 3"x3" laid across the lot of them:

Side v= iew
W|
A|
L|\
L|_\______^_

Tire/wheel combos would be strapped in pairs, and then hel= d up with the tires resting against=C2=A0the wall on one side, and the angl= e bar on the other.
like this:

|O,
=

This worked great for the light weight race car/sports = car sets--which weighed less than 45 lbs per wheel/tire.=C2=A0 It wasn'= t easy to get the heavier sets down by myself (the rack base was set at 6 1= /2 feet), but do-able in singles (I used cheap HF ratchet straps).

However, when I tried to put up a set of off-road tires/wh= eels from my G-wagon that weigh 112 lbs each, it was too much (both to lift= up over my head easily, and for the lag-bolts to support.

In my next shop, I'm going to have a set of big-box warehouse= =C2=A0style shelves (3 feet deep, 8 feet long,=C2=A0 set up perpendicular f= rom one wall (so I can get access to both sides, kind of like a data center= rack setup), and then I can just use a lightweight aluminum pole in the ce= nter of the wheels and have that pole across a pair of shelves against the = wall.

I guess the real question is how often do yo= u need to swap out sets of tires/wheels?=C2=A0 if it's just seasonally = for winter something out of the way is fine, but if you're vintage raci= ng or (god forbid) drifting and go through multiple sets of tires a month, = just stacking them like a giant tower of hanoi in one area is probably easi= est.

If you really are going through 8 sets regula= rly, maybe set up a tire/wheel room where you can even mount and balance=C2= =A0them yourself.=C2=A0 Then you can store the tires separately from the wh= eels, putting wheels horizontally on shelves and good tires on the brackets= I describe.

=C2=A0 --Miq

On Sun, Mar 2, 2025= at 3:40=E2=80=AFPM Scott Hall <scott.hall.personal@gmail.com= > wrote:
=
I forgot how much I enjoyed reading the list. So here'= s another one:

I used to have Griots Garage wheel storag= e 'poles'--they bolt to the wall/stud and stick out perpendicularly= and you hang your wheels on them.

I don't see= them on the Griots website any more. It looks like I'm starting from s= cratch on wheel storage.=C2=A0

I've got eight-= -no, nine--sets of wheels and tires in the garage right now. Opinions on th= e best way to store them, and why you like them? Right now they're stac= ked against the wall and on the shelves and I don't like that.

WRT the impact: ordered the Dewalt DCF-900. It says it'= ;s rated for 1400 pounds, I think. I guess if the lug nuts don't spin, = it just twists off the lug stud itself. I guess either way the wheel's = coming off.

Scott
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One advantage to these is they twist so you can aim the spray nozzle withou= t twisting the hose and possibly unscrewing the connection. Dave=20 =20 On Monday, March 3, 2025 at 08:09:18 PM CST, Mark Bradakis wrote: =20 Years ago I was at some garden shop and I saw some quicj release hose=20 fittings.=C2=A0 I thought cool, just like my air hose fittings.=C2=A0 I bou= ght=20 some, put them on the garden hose and various sprinklers and such.=20 First day I had them, I figured they were just like my air hose=20 fittings.=C2=A0 I went to uncouple a sprayer from the main hose, which stil= l=20 had full pressure on it. A mistake you only make once. mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arch= ive ssey@cs.com =20 ------=_Part_7059075_1863412260.1741094747255 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There are garden hose coupler= s with an auto-cut-off feature but it is fairly rare and far from universal= .

One advantage to these is they twist so you can aim the= spray nozzle without twisting the hose and possibly unscrewing the connect= ion.

Dave


=


=20
=20
On Monday, March 3, 2025 at 08:09:18 PM CST, Mark B= radakis <mark@bradakis.com> wrote:


Years ago I was at some garden shop a= nd I saw some quicj release hose
fittings.  I thoug= ht cool, just like my air hose fittings.  I bought
= some, put them on the garden hose and various sprinklers and such.
First day I had them, I figured they were just like my air hose =
fittings.  I went to uncouple a sprayer from the ma= in hose, which still
had full pressure on it.

A mistake you only make once.

mjb.
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--===============4744112870844339482== boundary="--_NmP-6af0d9def011755c-Part_1" ----_NmP-6af0d9def011755c-Part_1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +1 on the ability to twist the nozzle without twisting the garden hose. I = also insert a shutoff similar to the link below between the end of the hose= and the quick disconnect. https://www.homedepot.com/p/Orbit-Heavy-Duty-Brass-Hose-End-Shut-Off-Coupli= ng-Hose-Connector-27933/100659291 Brian -----Original Message----- From: DAVID MASSEY Sent: Mar 4, 2025 5:28 AM To: shop-talk@autox.team.net , Mark Bradakis = Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] air hose fittings =20 There are garden hose couplers with an auto-cut-off feature but it is = fairly rare and far from universal. =20 One advantage to these is they twist so you can aim the spray nozzle = without twisting the hose and possibly unscrewing the connection. =20 Dave=20 =20 =20 =20 On Monday, March 3, 2025 at 08:09:18 PM CST, Mark Bradakis wrote: =20 =20 Years ago I was at some garden shop and I saw some quicj release hose = fittings. I thought cool, just like my air hose fittings. I bought some, = put them on the garden hose and various sprinklers and such. First day I = had them, I figured they were just like my air hose fittings. I went to = uncouple a sprayer from the main hose, which still had full pressure on it.= A mistake you only make once.mjb.__________________________________________= _____Shop-talk@autox.team.net (mailto:Shop-talk@autox.team.net)Donate: = net/pipermail/shop-talk (http://www.team.net/donate.html) = ssey@cs.com (http://autox.team.net/archive) ----_NmP-6af0d9def011755c-Part_1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

+1 on the ability to = twist the nozzle without twisting the garden hose.  I also insert a = shutoff similar to the link below between the end of the hose and the quick= disconnect.

 

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Orbit-Heavy-Duty-Brass-H= ose-End-Shut-Off-Coupling-Hose-Connector-27933/100659291

 

Brian

-----Original Message-----
From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.= com>
Sent: Mar 4, 2025 5:28 AM
To: shop-talk@autox.team.net = <shop-talk@autox.team.net>, Mark Bradakis <mark@bradakis.= com>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] air hose fittings

 

 
There are garden hose couplers with = an auto-cut-off feature but it is fairly rare and far from universal.=
 
One advantage to these is they twist= so you can aim the spray nozzle without twisting the hose and possibly = unscrewing the connection.
 
Dave
 
 
 
On Monday, March 3, 2025 at = 08:09:18 PM CST, Mark Bradakis <mark@bradakis.com> wrote:
 
 
Years ago I was at some garden shop and I saw some quicj = release hose
fittings.  I thought cool, just like = my air hose fittings.  I bought
some, put them on = the garden hose and various sprinklers and such.
First = day I had them, I figured they were just like my air hose
fittings.  I went to uncouple a sprayer from the main = hose, which still
had full pressure on it.

A mistake you only make once.

mjb.

 

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I have car parts and ot= her heavy items to store. I've been looking at Home Depot's selection of h= igher capacity metal shelving and am a little shell shocked at prices, but = not quite motivated to weld up my own shelf setup. Since most vendors will likely ship, I'd like to find something someone is = familiar with, rather than risk having to ship it back if it's unacceptable= . Has anyone found other strong shelves they were able to buy at a good pri= ce. I like the HD unit linked below, but I'm not excited about almost a gra= nd after tax. (two units at $449.99 each). These are 7.5 high x 7.5 wide. https://www.homedepot.com/p/Gladiator-4-Tier-Heavy-Duty-Welded-Steel-Garage= -Storage-Shelving-Unit-90-in-W-x-90-in-H-x-24-in-D-GARA904XIG/311632552 What have you seen that you liked? Jack --_000_CH3PR11MB8093B35323C2D181A3F6935CA8D42CH3PR11MB8093namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Team,

 

I’ve moved and gave up a large, dry, light= ed, 6 foot high crawlspace, with a concrete floor, for a large, but crowded= garage.  I have car parts and other heavy items to store.  I’ve been looking at Home Depot’s selection of hi= gher capacity metal shelving and am a little shell shocked at prices, but n= ot quite motivated to weld up my own shelf setup. 

Since most vendors will likely ship, I’d like to find something someo= ne is familiar with, rather than risk having to ship it back if it’s = unacceptable. Has anyone found other strong shelves they were able to buy a= t a good price. I like the HD unit linked below, but I’m not excited about almost a grand after tax. (two units at $4= 49.99 each). These are 7.5 high x 7.5 wide.

 

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Gladiator-4= -Tier-Heavy-Duty-Welded-Steel-Garage-Storage-Shelving-Unit-90-in-W-x-90-in-= H-x-24-in-D-GARA904XIG/311632552

What have you seen that you liked?

Jack

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Che= ck out the offerings at Northern Tool. I have a couple of different version= s. The wire rack type are strong but allow small items to fall through. The= solid shelf type will benefit=C2=A0from having=C2=A0the (particle board?) = shelving reinforced.=C2=A0

Eric Russell
= Mebane, NC=C2=A0

On Sat, Mar 8, 2025 at 6:36=E2= =80=AFPM Jack Brooks <JIBrooks@live= .com> wrote:

Team,

=C2=A0

I=E2=80=99ve moved and gave up a large, dry, light= ed, 6 foot high crawlspace, with a concrete floor, for a large, but crowded= garage.=C2=A0 I have car parts and other heavy items to store.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve been looking at Home Depot=E2=80=99s selection o= f higher capacity metal shelving and am a little shell shocked at prices, b= ut not quite motivated to weld up my own shelf setup.=C2=A0

Since most vendors will likely ship, I=E2=80=99d like to find something som= eone is familiar with, rather than risk having to ship it back if it=E2=80= =99s unacceptable. Has anyone found other strong shelves they were able to = buy at a good price. I like the HD unit linked below, but I=E2=80=99m not excited about almost a grand after tax. (two units at = $449.99 each). These are 7.5 high x 7.5 wide.

=C2=A0

https://www.homedepot.c= om/p/Gladiator-4-Tier-Heavy-Duty-Welded-Steel-Garage-Storage-Shelving-Unit-= 90-in-W-x-90-in-H-x-24-in-D-GARA904XIG/311632552

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--===============6052575702277511687== --000000000000de2331062fde0df6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I got some super heavy duty shelves for my storage unit (now in one of my garages (the shelves, not the unit). I found them on Craigslist, of all places. You might be able to find some good condition shelves that way, for a lot less money. On Sat, Mar 8, 2025 at 3:36=E2=80=AFPM Jack Brooks wrot= e: > Team, > > > > I=E2=80=99ve moved and gave up a large, dry, lighted, 6 foot high crawlsp= ace, with > a concrete floor, for a large, but crowded garage. I have car parts and > other heavy items to store. I=E2=80=99ve been looking at Home Depot=E2= =80=99s selection of > higher capacity metal shelving and am a little shell shocked at prices, b= ut > not quite motivated to weld up my own shelf setup. > > Since most vendors will likely ship, I=E2=80=99d like to find something s= omeone is > familiar with, rather than risk having to ship it back if it=E2=80=99s > unacceptable. Has anyone found other strong shelves they were able to buy > at a good price. I like the HD unit linked below, but I=E2=80=99m not exc= ited about > almost a grand after tax. (two units at $449.99 each). These are 7.5 high= x > 7.5 wide. > > > > > https://www.homedepot.com/p/Gladiator-4-Tier-Heavy-Duty-Welded-Steel-Gara= ge-Storage-Shelving-Unit-90-in-W-x-90-in-H-x-24-in-D-GARA904XIG/311632552 > > What have you seen that you liked? > > Jack > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/berry@kerch.com > > --000000000000de2331062fde0df6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I got some super heavy duty shelves for my storage unit (= now in one of my garages (the shelves, not the unit).=C2=A0 I found them on= Craigslist, of all places.=C2=A0 You might be able to find some good condi= tion shelves that way, for a lot less money.

On S= at, Mar 8, 2025 at 3:36=E2=80=AFPM Jack Brooks <JIBrooks@live.com> wrote:

Team,=C2=A0

I=E2=80=99ve moved and gave up a large, dry, light= ed, 6 foot high crawlspace, with a concrete floor, for a large, but crowded= garage.=C2=A0 I have car parts and other heavy items to store.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve been looking at Home Depot=E2=80=99s selection o= f higher capacity metal shelving and am a little shell shocked at prices, b= ut not quite motivated to weld up my own shelf setup.=C2=A0

Since most vendors will likely ship, I=E2=80=99d like to find something som= eone is familiar with, rather than risk having to ship it back if it=E2=80= =99s unacceptable. Has anyone found other strong shelves they were able to = buy at a good price. I like the HD unit linked below, but I=E2=80=99m not excited about almost a grand after tax. (two units at = $449.99 each). These are 7.5 high x 7.5 wide.

=C2=A0

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What have you seen that you liked?

Jack

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[67.162.109.130]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 6a1803df08f44-6e8f70a4495sm36483676d6.52.2025.03.08.17.02.50 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 08 Mar 2025 17:02:51 -0800 (PST) From: Karl Vacek To: Jack Brooks , Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2025 19:02:49 -0600 References: User-Agent: AquaMail/1.54.1 (build: 105401536) Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Garage-Shop Heavy Duty shelving Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============6884502426935435571== This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --195786d12f027dc2898cce4130 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I had that very Gladiator rack in my hangar for about 10 years, and one of our daughters has it now. Strong and highly recommended. But I think I bought it from Sears years ago for about $200. Wow - inflation. I believe Gladiator is made by Whirlpool. Great quality. I've now got many of their smaller units in my former office and in the garage too. Never any concern about strength. On March 8, 2025 5:34:42 PM Jack Brooks wrote: > Team, > > I’ve moved and gave up a large, dry, lighted, 6 foot high crawlspace, with > a concrete floor, for a large, but crowded garage. I have car parts and > other heavy items to store. I’ve been looking at Home Depot’s selection of > higher capacity metal shelving and am a little shell shocked at prices, but > not quite motivated to weld up my own shelf setup. > > Since most vendors will likely ship, I’d like to find something someone is > familiar with, rather than risk having to ship it back if it’s > unacceptable. Has anyone found other strong shelves they were able to buy > at a good price. I like the HD unit linked below, but I’m not excited about > almost a grand after tax. (two units at $449.99 each). These are 7.5 high x > 7.5 wide. > > > https://www.homedepot.com/p/Gladiator-4-Tier-Heavy-Duty-Welded-Steel-Garage-Storage-Shelving-Unit-90-in-W-x-90-in-H-x-24-in-D-GARA904XIG/311632552 > > > What have you seen that you liked? > > Jack > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/stearman809@gmail.com --195786d12f027dc2898cce4130 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I had that very Gladiator rack in my hangar for about 10 = years, and one of our daughters has it now.  Strong and highly recomme= nded. 

But I think = I bought it from Sears years ago for about $200.  Wow - inflation.

I believe Gladiator is made= by Whirlpool.  Great quality.  I've now got many of their smalle= r units in my former office and in the garage too.  Never any concern = about strength.

On March 8, 2025 5:34:42 PM Jack Brooks <JIBrooks@live.com> = wrote:

Team,

 

I=E2=80=99ve moved and gave up a large, dry, lig= hted, 6 foot high crawlspace, with a concrete floor, for a large, but crowd= ed garage.  I have car parts and other heavy items to store.  I=E2=80=99ve been looking at Home Depot=E2=80=99s selection o= f higher capacity metal shelving and am a little shell shocked at prices, b= ut not quite motivated to weld up my own shelf setup. 

Since most vendors will likely ship, I=E2=80=99d like to find something som= eone is familiar with, rather than risk having to ship it back if it=E2=80= =99s unacceptable. Has anyone found other strong shelves they were able to = buy at a good price. I like the HD unit linked below, but I=E2=80=99m not excited about almost a grand after tax. (two units at = $449.99 each). These are 7.5 high x 7.5 wide.

 

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Gladiator-4= -Tier-Heavy-Duty-Welded-Steel-Garage-Storage-Shelving-Unit-90-in-W-x-90-in-= H-x-24-in-D-GARA904XIG/311632552

What have you seen that you liked?

Jack

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--195786d12f027dc2898cce4130-- --===============6884502426935435571== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============6884502426935435571==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 8 21:08:25 2025 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B60E2A03C2 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2025 21:08:25 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-io1-f44.google.com (unknown [209.85.166.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99B8EA039A for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2025 20:49:18 -0700 (MST) Received: by mail-io1-f44.google.com with SMTP id ca18e2360f4ac-85b41c4f918so11794839f.0 for ; Sat, 08 Mar 2025 19:48:47 -0800 (PST) d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1741492126; x=1742096926; darn=autox.team.net; h=to:in-reply-to:cc:references:message-id:date:subject:mime-version :from:content-transfer-encoding:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=okCR1mlrsCW1c95Awylviy30+41wOrGpdvmfoa3p+aI=; b=EQftHDoDyRqiaOpECOOIsZ/xZzi+pfh2jY3ZUGaNE5f5wX3Y1XLpPOzqHt4rTiNlYI axHNk3e6VAmxJodotdJFJHRKZQS+iLeIIIp5/PagEQDCG6qp25C4hEnIqmin1cs18yCP do8ybcWFNowwXWwJ+q8vUjLJzneAfNayuz0aASJmIdyo/UpomGTt1d6/hFawusQWDqQr Ir3Z0GCOJfjXKMhe1Em1t0Mr9SySPzfqhLalrHgTI+JsHaK8PGXHPFIBQRDIo6Fx8VBi e0zswchrZcR/azwY88JV2aRnoDQzFKLGWnNh37P0L4gDZAu/iUtpPRLL1zBwMm3WVsQV NOvw== d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1741492126; x=1742096926; h=to:in-reply-to:cc:references:message-id:date:subject:mime-version :from:content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=okCR1mlrsCW1c95Awylviy30+41wOrGpdvmfoa3p+aI=; b=AI6hx3iQggfGzPCKAZb435su785kiMQAbyUyDZFcjlMvBmaod87iw5VbeVsyyzZZEH rsricFf9qToFUspuUpcSLiAE22bcITE4m+AH+a0qWdv0ZrwCkeNt2zzfEGPnkAp2yyH0 5Hkj9rLEq2f10QaGyuNCIcMEvJTlHx9Uoam5ZnLvLQwFuB94kFZ66XJH+fHlgOZINazs 1k9gmjrinRAvLZBcyrq1fasg4B/Sx2T4U2iTHyb9b2NHBJ4nZdYkalE5cPjGwKEyuUKL rFCgViYcs+jtGeXtO0gS6ZC2CQe6ONB+BX5alhnu2JE5tebB8n9pG83W59iYrtFwh7uZ g0Dg== AJvYcCWgKls0ImJ9paIV1KDx9FNAsH+o025Co8uoMXz+MpPEQ8dRHk4iu0n7MtDwpD+NfEybrOLKVAGT2W0=@autox.team.net tML5DSiEizsA5kHQBCyAkUbxy91/0a0usoEIQwB23nQvOFC1v9Rs1qt65UjKUd4= 8zoyu4TAd6nIztTGuiduxTo526jA555fYBW2ND9cVjGvcOQQZXpBLWJM7NNRDlyR/RnuIfjXpBF zcWvWJk1hR1dkT+KVZW5sb8uN/QFn/RwbfLxfrrwbdVNPSYkzS5qUm6h+N2kYaNByNnuERGl7EK yG7uTw5nAiiwvlyLQfYZbiXCwlaz6qzsiJNnvpBiBFJb6k6wx1k5Lf+NevXUuuPeBRTvMaWmYVy tr1izI0dpnq04AVsFJgaAgrbjFJ92Uuzj3NcLdJpSymCCqGW/s9ebOmhsfGTKa4= e9e14a558f8ab-3d441957d7dmr115058945ab.3.1741492125652; Sat, 08 Mar 2025 19:48:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpclient.apple ([70.99.79.53]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 8926c6da1cb9f-4f221975bb0sm941541173.130.2025.03.08.19.48.43 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 08 Mar 2025 19:48:44 -0800 (PST) From: Arvid Jedlicka Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2025 21:48:32 -0600 References: To: Douglas Shook Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Garage-Shop Heavy Duty shelving Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============8419723015231786202== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-F854F485-B1ED-4709-A85F-7F4703E33845 type="text/html"; boundary=Apple-Mail-F1EDC11A-88C0-4E16-BD9D-7C37DA6E2967 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-F1EDC11A-88C0-4E16-BD9D-7C37DA6E2967 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not sure where you=E2=80=99re located but I= have used lots of these in the basement and garage =E2=80=A6

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I liked that I could buy th= e individual pieces to make exactly what I wanted. Super strong. 
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On Mar 8, 2025, at 6= :57=E2=80=AFPM, Douglas Shook <dirtbeard@gmail.com> wrote:

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McMaster had some nice shelving options

Best,

Doug
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From: Shop-talk <shop-talk= -bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Jack Brooks <JIBrooks@live.com&g= t;
Sent: Sunday, March 9, 2025 5:26:17 AM
To: ejrussell61@gmail.com <ejrussell61@gmail.com>
Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net <Shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Garage-Shop Heavy Duty shelving
 

Thanks Eric! They do have a nice selection.=

 

Jack

 

From: Eric Russell <ejrussell61@= gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 8, 2025 4:48 PM
To: Jack Brooks <JIBrooks@live.com>
Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Garage-Shop Heavy Duty shelving

 

Check out the offe= rings at Northern Tool. I have a couple of different versions. The wire rack= type are strong but allow small items to fall through. The solid shelf type= will benefit from having the (particle board?) shelving reinforced. 

 

Eric Russell

Mebane, NC 

 

On Sat, Mar 8, 2025 at 6:36=E2=80=AFPM Jack Brooks <JIBrooks@live.com> wrote:

Team,

 

I=E2=80=99ve moved and gave up a large, dry, lighted, 6= foot high crawlspace, with a concrete floor, for a large, but crowded garag= e.  I have car parts and other heavy items to store.  I=E2=80=99ve been looking at Home Depot=E2=80=99s selection of higher capac= ity metal shelving and am a little shell shocked at prices, but not quite mo= tivated to weld up my own shelf setup. 

Since most vendors will likely ship, I=E2=80=99d like to find something some= one is familiar with, rather than risk having to ship it back if it=E2=80=99= s unacceptable. Has anyone found other strong shelves they were able to buy a= t a good price. I like the HD unit linked below, but I=E2=80=99m not excited about almost a grand after tax. (two units at $= 449.99 each). These are 7.5 high x 7.5 wide.

 

https://w= ww.homedepot.com/p/Gladiator-4-Tier-Heavy-Duty-Welded-Steel-Garage-Storage-S= helving-Unit-90-in-W-x-90-in-H-x-24-in-D-GARA904XIG/311632552

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What have you seen that you liked?

Jack

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8F2ED22DEE9 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2025 23:57:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2025 23:57:26 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: Content-Language: en-US From: Jimmie Mayfield Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Garage-Shop Heavy Duty shelving Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============7176225678222532388== boundary="------------hWlAtRxHT6b6PN3PfwYvQsEk" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------hWlAtRxHT6b6PN3PfwYvQsEk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Best wall shelves I've ever owned were fixtures that came from a Sears store that closed.  From the linens department, believe it or not.  They hang on wall standards like Closetmaid shelves but the wires are 2-3x as thick. 24-inches deep, 45 inches wide (which, of course, made it tedious to anchor both standards).  Since they're wall-mounted, they can't carry as much weight as the big pallet-rack-type shelves but they don't occupy any floor space which is a big net gain in a cramped garage.  I regret not buying more when my local store closed.  I haven't found anything similar in my online searches or else I'd completely outfit my garage and basement with them. So if you're not in a huge hurry, I recommend you keep an eye for any store closings in your area. On 3/8/25 18:33, Jack Brooks wrote: > > Team, > > I’ve moved and gave up a large, dry, lighted, 6 foot high crawlspace, > with a concrete floor, for a large, but crowded garage.  I have car > parts and other heavy items to store. I’ve been looking at Home > Depot’s selection of higher capacity metal shelving and am a little > shell shocked at prices, but not quite motivated to weld up my own > shelf setup. > > Since most vendors will likely ship, I’d like to find something > someone is familiar with, rather than risk having to ship it back if > it’s unacceptable. Has anyone found other strong shelves they were > able to buy at a good price. I like the HD unit linked below, but I’m > not excited about almost a grand after tax. (two units at $449.99 > each). These are 7.5 high x 7.5 wide. > > https://www.homedepot.com/p/Gladiator-4-Tier-Heavy-Duty-Welded-Steel-Garage-Storage-Shelving-Unit-90-in-W-x-90-in-H-x-24-in-D-GARA904XIG/311632552 > > What have you seen that you liked? > > Jack > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mayfield+shoptalk@sackheads.org > --------------hWlAtRxHT6b6PN3PfwYvQsEk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Best wall shelves I've ever owned were fixtures that came from a Sears store that closed.  From the linens department, believe it or not.  They hang on wall standards like Closetmaid shelves but the wires are 2-3x as thick.  24-inches deep, 45 inches wide (which, of course, made it tedious to anchor both standards).  Since they're wall-mounted, they can't carry as much weight as the big pallet-rack-type shelves but they don't occupy any floor space which is a big net gain in a cramped garage.  I regret not buying more when my local store closed.  I haven't found anything similar in my online searches or else I'd completely outfit my garage and basement with them.

So if you're not in a huge hurry, I recommend you keep an eye for any store closings in your area.



On 3/8/25 18:33, Jack Brooks wrote:

Team,

 

I’ve moved and gave up a large, dry, lighted, 6 foot high crawlspace, with a concrete floor, for a large, but crowded garage.  I have car parts and other heavy items to store.  I’ve been looking at Home Depot’s selection of higher capacity metal shelving and am a little shell shocked at prices, but not quite motivated to weld up my own shelf setup. 

Since most vendors will likely ship, I’d like to find something someone is familiar with, rather than risk having to ship it back if it’s unacceptable. Has anyone found other strong shelves they were able to buy at a good price. I like the HD unit linked below, but I’m not excited about almost a grand after tax. (two units at $449.99 each). These are 7.5 high x 7.5 wide.

 

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Gladiator-4-Tier-Heavy-Duty-Welded-Steel-Garage-Storage-Shelving-Unit-90-in-W-x-90-in-H-x-24-in-D-GARA904XIG/311632552

What have you seen that you liked?

Jack


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Lot's of great idea= s to pursue. I really appreciate the help. Best! Jack From: Shop-talk On Behalf Of Jack Brooks Sent: Saturday, March 8, 2025 4:33 PM To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: [Shop-talk] Garage-Shop Heavy Duty shelving Team, I've moved and gave up a large, dry, lighted, 6 foot high crawlspace, with = a concrete floor, for a large, but crowded garage. I have car parts and ot= her heavy items to store. I've been looking at Home Depot's selection of h= igher capacity metal shelving and am a little shell shocked at prices, but = not quite motivated to weld up my own shelf setup. Since most vendors will likely ship, I'd like to find something someone is = familiar with, rather than risk having to ship it back if it's unacceptable= . Has anyone found other strong shelves they were able to buy at a good pri= ce. I like the HD unit linked below, but I'm not excited about almost a gra= nd after tax. (two units at $449.99 each). These are 7.5 high x 7.5 wide. https://www.homedepot.com/p/Gladiator-4-Tier-Heavy-Duty-Welded-Steel-Garage= -Storage-Shelving-Unit-90-in-W-x-90-in-H-x-24-in-D-GARA904XIG/311632552 What have you seen that you liked? Jack --_000_CH3PR11MB8093DB3D61D02E352B272A20A8D72CH3PR11MB8093namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I want to thank everyone for the s= helving suggestions.  Lot’s of great ideas to pursue.  I re= ally appreciate the help.

 

Best!

 

Jack

 

From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces@autox= .team.net> On Behalf Of Jack Brooks
Sent: Saturday, March 8, 2025 4:33 PM
To: shop-talk@autox.team.net
Subject: [Shop-talk] Garage-Shop Heavy Duty shelving

 

Team,

 

I’ve moved and gave up a large, dry, light= ed, 6 foot high crawlspace, with a concrete floor, for a large, but crowded= garage.  I have car parts and other heavy items to store.  I’ve been looking at Home Depot’s selection of hi= gher capacity metal shelving and am a little shell shocked at prices, but n= ot quite motivated to weld up my own shelf setup. 

Since most vendors will likely ship, I’d like to find something someo= ne is familiar with, rather than risk having to ship it back if it’s = unacceptable. Has anyone found other strong shelves they were able to buy a= t a good price. I like the HD unit linked below, but I’m not excited about almost a grand after tax. (two units at $4= 49.99 each). These are 7.5 high x 7.5 wide.

 

https://= www.homedepot.com/p/Gladiator-4-Tier-Heavy-Duty-Welded-Steel-Garage-Storage= -Shelving-Unit-90-in-W-x-90-in-H-x-24-in-D-GARA904XIG/311632552

What have you seen that you liked?

Jack

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went back a few months looking for thread I se= em to remember on jump boxes but couldn't find it
 
what was the consensus on the best for the mon= ey ??
 
thanks
john
--------------020002000704010509000908-- --===============6242228636330299285== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============6242228636330299285==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 11 21:01:14 2025 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AAB2A078C for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2025 21:01:14 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from chumdrop.sackheads.org (unknown [159.203.76.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 501EEA0138 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2025 20:57:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chumdrop.sackheads.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF03D24DE30 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2025 22:56:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chumdrop.sackheads.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (chumdrop.sackheads.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 48rhSTJD-7nW for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2025 22:56:47 -0400 (EDT) s=2022-US; t=1741748207; bh=mn6J/rjdiBcb8sMk3su+urDzo33gDp9lFMm+9Z5/ViU=; h=Date:Subject:To:References:From:In-Reply-To:From; b=dJRpSFAUmeosQzuhXtwTx97RVyTU5iDysaJl2C5vVE6A0SKClZMQGjjriY949tjqH alAJIm4lVJAzCaapKdnGsyyv5KWknrUdzKISXpiY1lz8lt3on+Ds4jmSXWrng0CLs6 mif9elylf9UodSUFl+Ye1wdQUoD3xYKVmyJQQMqLV2UDrZbt7jCRDOhsSHHojgaHKF sVkXgc+4qEP/9CUptxjw7RBsaFPTXYzmKnu7f2jXQ6X6W1KvL8Z5BHeR/zFKy+b1bM 9ARXenbe1YkrDSZ7p4zO2uyFcaGo9ADjXvJnWmalxKkk6GjntF3UPgjNaXKXgxlSvM oi72VzSkYeITA== Received: from [10.0.1.32] (syn-076-181-164-076.res.spectrum.com [76.181.164.76]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jimmie@sackheads.org) by chumdrop.sackheads.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 917D124C1E9 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2025 22:56:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2025 22:56:46 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <1UkI5FrkeE.8PzsneNXkxe.ref@johns-desktop> <1UkI5FrkeE.8PzsneNXkxe@johns-desktop> Content-Language: en-US From: Jimmie Mayfield Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] battery jump boxes Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1929666022729951910== boundary="------------bPLO5GZPqoEPKMWepf7DvTSg" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------bPLO5GZPqoEPKMWepf7DvTSg Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't recall that thread but Project Farm did a comparison of about a dozen jumpstarters a while back. The best performers were able to jump-start big diesel engines after sitting in the cold. On 3/11/25 21:50, john niolon wrote: > went back a few months looking for thread I seem to remember on jump > boxes but couldn't find it > what was the consensus on the best for the money ?? > thanks > john > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mayfield+shoptalk@sackheads.org > --------------bPLO5GZPqoEPKMWepf7DvTSg Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I don't recall that thread but Project Farm did a comparison of about a dozen jumpstarters a while back.  The best performers were able to jump-start big diesel engines after sitting in the cold.



On 3/11/25 21:50, john niolon wrote:
went back a few months looking for thread I seem to remember on jump boxes but couldn't find it
 
what was the consensus on the best for the money ??
 
thanks
john

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[67.80.232.197]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id af79cd13be357-7c53f4d95fbsm666422085a.3.2025.03.12.04.55.04 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 12 Mar 2025 04:55:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2025 07:54:53 -0400 References: <1UkI5FrkeE.8PzsneNXkxe.ref@johns-desktop> <1UkI5FrkeE.8PzsneNXkxe@johns-desktop> To: john niolon , Shop Talk Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] battery jump boxes Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4001487073762225856== boundary="Apple-Mail=_6CA2B9F7-4F72-4D86-999A-11E9A96EE237" --Apple-Mail=_6CA2B9F7-4F72-4D86-999A-11E9A96EE237 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 I used to do some consulting with AAA and sometimes rode with their = drivers. They all carried Clore chargers like this one: = https://cloreautomotive.com/product/es5000/. That was good enough for = me and I bough one for myself 12 years ago and it has never let me down, = even when I have forgotten to refresh the charge every 3 months as they = recommend. They now have a number of different chargers, including some = lithium ones that I am sure are equally good. > On Mar 11, 2025, at 9:50=E2=80=AFPM, john niolon = wrote: >=20 > went back a few months looking for thread I seem to remember on jump = boxes but couldn't find it > =20 > what was the consensus on the best for the money ?? > =20 > thanks > john > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk = http://autox.team.net/archive >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/1789alpine@gmail.com >=20 --Apple-Mail=_6CA2B9F7-4F72-4D86-999A-11E9A96EE237 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 I used to do = some consulting with AAA and sometimes rode with their drivers. =  They all carried Clore chargers like this one: https://cloreautomoti= ve.com/product/es5000/.  That was good enough for me and I = bough one for myself 12 years ago and it has never let me down, even = when I have forgotten to refresh the charge every 3 months as they = recommend.  They now have a number of different chargers, including = some lithium ones that I am sure are equally good.

On Mar 11, 2025, at 9:50=E2=80=AFPM, john niolon = <jniolon@att.net> wrote:

went back a few months looking for thread I = seem to remember on jump boxes but couldn't find it
 
what was the consensus on the best for the = money ??
 
thanks
john
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Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4607855052899777753== --000000000000930bc906303e6077 Stepping out of the shop for a moment: I got a US mail about a data breach. The outfit sending the mail was Change Healthcare. They say they are going to pay for IDX credit and identity monitoring services for two years. Before I tell IDX credit and identity monitoring services the story of my life, I want to know that IDX are a real company and legitimately secure and that the URL in this US mail is really the genuine IDX Knowing about the data breach that actully occurred, what's to stop the bad guys from printing up and mailing hard copies that lead folks down the garden path to a phony URL and pumping them for all the info in the world? -- Phil Ethier, West Side, Saint Paul Minnesota, USA 2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, white 2011 Cayman 2.9 PDK, white 2021 Ford F-150 3500cc twin turbo, white 1991 Caterham 1700 Super Sprint, not white www.mnautox.com --000000000000930bc906303e6077 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Stepping out of the shop for a moment:

I got a US mail about a data breach.=C2= =A0 The outfit sending the mail was Change Healthcare.

They say they are going to pay fo= r=C2=A0IDX credit and identity monitoring services for two=C2=A0years.=C2= =A0 Before=C2=A0I tell=C2=A0IDX credit and identity monitoring services the= story of my life, I want to know that=C2=A0

IDX are a real company and legitimately sec= ure
and
that the U= RL in this US mail is really the genuine IDX

<= div>
Knowing=C2= =A0about the data breach=C2=A0that actully occurred, what's to stop the= bad guys from printing up and mailing hard copies that lead folks down the= garden=C2=A0path to a phony URL and pumping them for all the info in the w= orld?


= --
Phil Ethier, West Side, Sa= int Paul Minnesota, USA
2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, white
2011 Cayman 2.9 PDK, white
2021 Ford F-150 3500cc twin turbo, white
1991 Caterham 1700 Super Sprint, not white
www.mnautox.com

--000000000000930bc906303e6077-- --===============4607855052899777753== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============4607855052899777753==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 13 13:57:10 2025 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A1A4A0976 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2025 13:57:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p00-icloudmta-asmtp-us-west-3a-10-percent-1.p00-icloudmta-asmtp-vip.icloud-mail-production.svc.kube.us-west-3a.k8s.cloud.apple.com (unknown [57.103.72.4]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3CB7A06C8 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2025 13:53:10 -0600 (MDT) s=1a1hai; bh=XZTogSKKACIbTBoOTAhYc6S8Y7pW/Rz0jPU+vb4zFEw=; h=Content-Type:From:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To:x-icloud-hme; b=mPW08+sAneFmwB3Zyyx3o62Bz7wd94XRXgR5aWuCOSZcc6moGOO7idPNlCK2iuxJ/ vgqLmsFWaqU67v7Fh+D7TG21keTkzrXbAxlpA/EEBicA5I3uHOCqcY/fFs5ljB8i5q 9PyrrP7rKN5ntp8zGCc5wfVZc10f0kMh7fwmpq6egskxbAbiVMLG5qVjEimpEq0aOF 3T4uNJJfPYR6/kKKi6r137Y48J1EZrSKjkwxjNPvOr662ogOLjX/7+LnkbBigcz0xG AO9knV1tVTjuBew+urRREADDWY620Q/Wrfq1/rFgOGEkC8oB8+jgpMr4UZ9KpECdUl xCz4ikAiNpCNA== Received: from smtpclient.apple (ms-asmtp-me-k8s.p00.prod.me.com [17.57.154.37]) by p00-icloudmta-asmtp-us-west-3a-10-percent-1.p00-icloudmta-asmtp-vip.icloud-mail-production.svc.kube.us-west-3a.k8s.cloud.apple.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7CEDD180148F; Thu, 13 Mar 2025 19:52:38 +0000 (UTC) From: Pat Horne Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2025 14:52:26 -0500 References: To: Philip Ethier engine=ICAP:2.0.272,Aquarius:18.0.1093,Hydra:6.0.680,FMLib:17.12.68.34 definitions=2025-03-13_09,2025-03-13_01,2024-11-22_01 malwarescore=0 mlxlogscore=835 adultscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 phishscore=0 suspectscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.19.0-2308100000 definitions=main-2503130153 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] is IDX credit and identity monitoring services a legit outfit? Cc: Shop-Talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============7516959419888877437== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-9103D39A-5C41-475C-8626-954F905743FB charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you do business with Chance Healthcare, p= hone the number that you have in your records for them & tell them what y= ou are telling us. I never respond to this kind of email, I always use known= contact info. 

Pat Horne 
We su= pport Habitat for Humanity


On= Mar 13, 2025, at 2:47=E2=80=AFPM, Philip Ethier <pethier7@gmail.com> w= rote:

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Stepping out of the shop= for a moment:

= I got a US mail about a data breach.  The outfit sending the mail was C= hange Healthcare.

They say they are going to pay for IDX credit and identity monitorin= g services for two years.  Before I tell IDX credit and i= dentity monitoring services the story of my life, I want to know that <= /div>

=
IDX are a real c= ompany and legitimately secure
and
that the URL in this US mail is really the genuine IDX
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Knowing about the data breach that actully occurred, w= hat's to stop the bad guys from printing up and mailing hard copies that lea= d folks down the garden path to a phony URL and pumping them for all th= e info in the world?


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= --Apple-Mail-9103D39A-5C41-475C-8626-954F905743FB-- --===============7516959419888877437== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============7516959419888877437==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 13 16:16:53 2025 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C5E3A08DA for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2025 16:16:53 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pj1-f42.google.com (unknown [209.85.216.42]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8240A066E for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2025 16:13:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pj1-f42.google.com with SMTP id 98e67ed59e1d1-3015001f862so246948a91.3 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2025 15:12:49 -0700 (PDT) d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1741903969; x=1742508769; darn=autox.team.net; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=FKzTtefjpGWrV2QMcf1Tl7ruQA/hVk874fqUum7EHaY=; b=ddwAaqfsYAqj4L3nCJqfl9vee0BMzOPDEU3VqislDfTQtLkmczyaY0uq1Xvd7KFPp7 NYplhcCk/Z8UUn8Y09CiiKxVkemwjNbjok8/+5rBDLk0aQYgtWI2UJjRrSBA1VL0l2hT x1VDfgunMMMeMMkCL56Ak6zFgwlRLR0TttyaMvdJqerN2kNnN2s7rauZpVEFVtoZEiL9 msJD6dN6R0dhpzorx8Y9CLE58s+AjGWwE/FNlzbKsoTknx4kUwO8pHw+8J4FJMmJHGWl rhbHF+ny62BqUcEVEmmR3kBSJDFwDh6iA4ZbMjH2sKScCjf+DYGu0XcoP+hJkoOi41gN jHKg== d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1741903969; x=1742508769; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=FKzTtefjpGWrV2QMcf1Tl7ruQA/hVk874fqUum7EHaY=; b=DvMDo7OuHD/U0i5Ak9f7vNcqjrbxiAgknoY6SKA/8gq0V+cuX/QCA3Dl/1ArtbljBo vIxPB0N1fFnTt3c4HawnzoXcorDqkmzA5xc3r++bkfot0pY0UET6ZZcFGpRSrhCGkYaO 5OG7QNUE/rcD/OEDo2GSLNHsPWC3JcmR1N3RIlDyVQF9jY7mItkdemTRa9mjBwzX+FVe 2xNFTghETNM2bXSk/frR8KVbnJyfmNoLMcTgCtGvUzhhCvQ8qFFKIdaL7K7owiteyvXw 0Tb98pewfuGwuarTnImh5CqO2xn3hATWVNbMDjAM0ubQBM2AP4Ztm7uwWfzId+OkqZ7n XR7g== Qqh/CvP/yCjdYSx2D7+B4zH96jI+k9i5r26nB/JX9+m2o1SK3vhyTgkwAJo1QmdSOuSgc/kBzHL SAd897/vBxB3vdsw1vZLxsDXuunsSYQ== sWKVyjqTNIqeBC17ZmdOR1OmRZOp0rdu9LX14DmL5v23R+5vwY+PkdQiD+hyuQw1HypPtTQlsbF +854ui8Pl4ZHpg4BbyV1wnhc15C+4121VjqrgbQw3tMbdW4se0WYcqJVnI 98e67ed59e1d1-30151c9a34cmr229804a91.7.1741903969204; Thu, 13 Mar 2025 15:12:49 -0700 (PDT) References: From: Eric Russell Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2025 18:12:21 -0400 To: Philip Ethier Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] is IDX credit and identity monitoring services a legit outfit? Cc: Shop-Talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============8798496619846895490== --000000000000514ec50630409f8c Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would suggest calling Change Healthcare - if that is an entity you have done business with. EjR On Thu, Mar 13, 2025 at 6:02=E2=80=AFPM Philip Ethier = wrote: > Stepping out of the shop for a moment: > > I got a US mail about a data breach. The outfit sending the mail was > Change Healthcare. > > They say they are going to pay for IDX credit and identity monitoring > services for two years. Before I tell IDX credit and identity monitoring > services the story of my life, I want to know that > > IDX are a real company and legitimately secure > and > that the URL in this US mail is really the genuine IDX > > Knowing about the data breach that actully occurred, what's to stop the > bad guys from printing up and mailing hard copies that lead folks down th= e > garden path to a phony URL and pumping them for all the info in the world= ? > > > -- > Phil Ethier, West Side, Saint Paul Minnesota, USA > 2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, white > 2011 Cayman 2.9 PDK, white > 2021 Ford F-150 3500cc twin turbo, white > 1991 Caterham 1700 Super Sprint, not white > www.mnautox.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/ejrussell61@gmail.com > > --000000000000514ec50630409f8c Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I w= ould suggest calling Change Healthcare - if that is an entity you have done= business with.=C2=A0

EjR= =C2=A0

Stepping out of the shop for a moment:

I got a US mail about a data breach.=C2=A0 = The outfit sending the mail was Change Healthcare.

They say they are going to pay for=C2= =A0IDX credit and identity monitoring services for two=C2=A0years.=C2=A0 Be= fore=C2=A0I tell=C2=A0IDX credit and identity monitoring services the story= of my life, I want to know that=C2=A0

IDX are a real company and legitimately secure
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On Thu, Mar 13, 2025 at 6:02=E2=80=AFPM P= hilip Ethier <pethier7@gmail.com> wrote:

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Cc: Shop-Talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4712548618901505806== --000000000000aef5b4063044b935 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Mar 13, 2025 at 2:52=E2=80=AFPM Pat Horne w= rote: > If you do business with Chance Healthcare, phone the number that you have > in your records for them & tell them what you are telling us. I never > respond to this kind of email, I always use known contact info. > Actually, I don't do business directly with Change Healthcare. I had never heard of them. It seems they do business with health providers and insurance companies with whom I do interact. --000000000000aef5b4063044b935 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Thu, Mar 13, 2025 at= 2:52=E2=80=AFPM Pat Horne <pat= intexas@icloud.com> wrote:
If you do business with Chance Healthca= re, phone the number that you have in your records for them & tell them= what you are telling us. I never respond to this kind of email, I always u= se known contact info.=C2=A0

Actually, I don't do bu= siness directly with Change Healthcare.

I had never heard of them.=C2=A0 It seems they d= o business with=C2=A0health providers and insurance companies with whom I d= o interact.

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--000000000000aef5b4063044b935-- --===============4712548618901505806== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============4712548618901505806==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Mar 13 21:58:24 2025 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45B18A0695 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2025 21:58:24 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from p00-icloudmta-asmtp-us-west-3a-60-percent-11.p00-icloudmta-asmtp-vip.icloud-mail-production.svc.kube.us-west-3a.k8s.cloud.apple.com (unknown [57.103.72.161]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C1BCA0660 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2025 21:54:16 -0600 (MDT) s=1a1hai; bh=hf6a9zrTqMgEWtEZpVQuhp0PJ+I9w4prAvJwFOjrSbM=; h=Content-Type:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Subject:To:From:x-icloud-hme; b=kodxNH2iefxndwANwLnVnrleXSksqdKlxdD6VQO33mO8XVcirV0diaikVRK6BEVLn KyRz/y/1wnFbdPyMFFfaT7dBuiFtaWsHkt4naG5Asm0jYa7JA7II7e/VawLlZRlGFx 5yhBLMBfvcKLXdR+3ZPDnr/yYhJ6UpsCR0iu8tbd5M2E30Q4CaUhiwFSTH8sAZI5v5 uVuTwQpjLJ+hdE12/Q9vC+AvlMwu1s46TDe7xoLnf69zjbS9PnrubjUdEBtmWDcWta OXKbhmn4q5hSDuIxIE3CWheTZ2ExTUv0qgdA3gu5pqj1TSuVBhcDDLkKTLgaKZUL/5 0O1Fm/A2HRxiw== Received: from [192.168.88.162] (ms-asmtp-me-k8s.p00.prod.me.com [17.57.154.37]) by p00-icloudmta-asmtp-us-west-3a-60-percent-11.p00-icloudmta-asmtp-vip.icloud-mail-production.svc.kube.us-west-3a.k8s.cloud.apple.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 55AB31800391; Fri, 14 Mar 2025 03:53:43 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2025 22:53:41 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: Philip Ethier References: <69A7AE34-A2AA-4C4F-A963-F4BD67674B1E@icloud.com> Content-Language: en-US From: Pat Horne engine=ICAP:2.0.293,Aquarius:18.0.1093,Hydra:6.0.680,FMLib:17.12.68.34 definitions=2025-03-14_01,2025-03-13_01,2024-11-22_01 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 bulkscore=0 phishscore=0 suspectscore=0 clxscore=1015 malwarescore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.19.0-2411120000 definitions=main-2503140028 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] is IDX credit and identity monitoring services a legit outfit? Cc: Shop-Talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============5976501175988875182== boundary="------------Px7z9YU1KYyTrxyosC0LbB0J" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------Px7z9YU1KYyTrxyosC0LbB0J Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sounds like it might be a fishing expedition. Wouldn't hurt to contact one of the companies you deal with & ask, or, just ignore it. I've been getting a lot of emails lately from folks saying I owe for toll road use. I haven't driven toll roads since last summer & I paid them. Plenty of folks trying to get money from us. Peace, Pat On 3/13/2025 10:05 PM, Philip Ethier wrote: > > > On Thu, Mar 13, 2025 at 2:52 PM Pat Horne wrote: > > If you do business with Chance Healthcare, phone the number that > you have in your records for them & tell them what you are telling > us. I never respond to this kind of email, I always use known > contact info. > > > Actually, I don't do business directly with Change Healthcare. > > I had never heard of them.  It seems they do business with health > providers and insurance companies with whom I do interact. > > > --------------Px7z9YU1KYyTrxyosC0LbB0J Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Sounds like it might be a fishing expedition. Wouldn't hurt to contact one of the companies you deal with & ask, or, just ignore it. I've been getting a lot of emails lately from folks saying I owe for toll road use. I haven't driven toll roads since last summer & I paid them. Plenty of folks trying to get money from us.

Peace, Pat

On 3/13/2025 10:05 PM, Philip Ethier wrote:


On Thu, Mar 13, 2025 at 2:52 PM Pat Horne <patintexas@icloud.com> wrote:
If you do business with Chance Healthcare, phone the number that you have in your records for them & tell them what you are telling us. I never respond to this kind of email, I always use known contact info. 

Actually, I don't do business directly with Change Healthcare.

I had never heard of them.  It seems they do business with health providers and insurance companies with whom I do interact.



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On Thu, Mar 13, 2025 at= 7:45=E2=80=AFPM Thomas Coradeschi <tjcora@icloud.com> wrote:
Ummm, maybe google?

https://www.google.com/sea= rch?client=3Dsafari&rls=3Den&q=3Dis+idx+credit+and+identity+monitor= ing+services+legit&ie=3DUTF-8&oe=3DUTF-8
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Bingo, Tom.
=
THe URL that was in the printed stuff was a special one (that = did NOT contain the letters IDX) for folks possibly affected by the origina= l attack on Change.=C2=A0 There was no way to prove that it was not all a h= oax.=C2=A0 I had signed in there with a login name and a complicated passwo= rd. The website classed my password as "Very Strong" and also tol= d me that it was not found on the Dark Web.=C2=A0 None of this proved it wa= s not all a phish.

<= span class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace">I logged=C2=A0= out and closed my window.

I have= now=C2=A0used the contact URL found in the Money Magazine review to contac= t IDX. The site has recognized my login and password.<= /div>
It seems I am now set up for two free years with a le= gitimate=C2=A0security outfit.=C2=A0

<= /font>
Thanks all!




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Awesome! (Aside the fact that you need it in the first place)

On Mar 14, 2025, at 12:25= AM, Philip Ethier <pethier7@gmail.com> wrote:




On Thu, Mar 13, 2025 at 7:45=E2=80=AFPM Thomas Coradeschi <= ;tjcora@icloud.com> wrote:
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Ummm, maybe = google?

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Bing= o, Tom.
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= THe URL that was in t= he printed stuff was a special one (that did NOT contain the letters IDX) = for folks possibly affected by the original attack on Change.  There = was no way to prove that it was not all a hoax.  I had signed in ther= e with a login name and a complicated password. The website classed my pas= sword as "Very Strong" and also told me that it was not found on the Dark = Web.  None of this proved it was not all a phish.
<= span class=3D"size" style=3D"font-size:12.8px">
= I logged out and= closed my window.
<= /span>
= I have now us= ed the contact URL found in the Money Magazine review to contact IDX. The = site has recognized my login and password.

It seems I am now set up for two free years with a legitimate s= ecurity outfit. 
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On Thu, Mar 13, 2025, 23= :20 Philip Ethier <pethier7@gmail.= com> wrote:



Actually, I don't d= o business directly with Change Healthcare.
<= /div>

At my house, we each got= a letter, and had the same issue.=C2=A0 It took a bit of research to disco= ver that they were a company that our insurance providers used, and they we= re expected to keep things secure.=C2=A0=C2=A0

<= /div>
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--0000000000009ba09106304be2bb-- --===============4123586768653883583== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============4123586768653883583==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Mar 14 15:44:54 2025 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12DC3A07FB for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2025 15:44:54 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from hognose1.porkbun.com (unknown [35.82.102.206]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA325A0621 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2025 15:41:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smtpclient.apple (pool-108-20-234-105.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [108.20.234.105]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by hognose1.porkbun.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D36CB45484; Fri, 14 Mar 2025 21:40:52 +0000 (UTC) From: Jim Franklin Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2025 17:40:36 -0400 To: john niolon References: <1UkI5FrkeE.8PzsneNXkxe.ref@johns-desktop> <1UkI5FrkeE.8PzsneNXkxe@johns-desktop> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] battery jump boxes Cc: shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============2356845102640380213== boundary="Apple-Mail=_52E29FBA-F904-4ED7-B814-49B87F6A5461" --Apple-Mail=_52E29FBA-F904-4ED7-B814-49B87F6A5461 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=us-ascii Project Farm did an episode on this and liked the Noco the best. 2x the = cost of the rest but for me worth the money. jim > On Mar 11, 2025, at 9:50 PM, john niolon wrote: >=20 > went back a few months looking for thread I seem to remember on jump = boxes but couldn't find it > =20 > what was the consensus on the best for the money ?? > =20 > thanks > john > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk = http://autox.team.net/archive >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jamesf@groupwbench.org >=20 --Apple-Mail=_52E29FBA-F904-4ED7-B814-49B87F6A5461 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit charset=us-ascii Project Farm did an episode on this and liked the Noco the best. 2x the cost of the rest but for me worth the money.

jim

On Mar 11, 2025, at 9:50 PM, john niolon <jniolon@att.net> wrote:

went back a few months looking for thread I seem to remember on jump boxes but couldn't find it
 
what was the consensus on the best for the money ??
 
thanks
john
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Sun, 16 Mar 2025 18:26:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from Deep13.mail.Megageek.com (unknown [34.199.103.79]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BFC2A0A35 for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2025 18:21:53 -0600 (MDT) To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net type=4; name=$KeepSent From: Moose Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2025 20:21:21 -0400 03/16/2025 08:21:28 PM, Serialize complete at 03/16/2025 08:21:28 PM Subject: [Shop-talk] Wire splice sealant Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============2548934419454808314== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0001F50385258C50_= Braintrust- Have any of you ever see this... https://www.amazon.com/SpliSeal-Professional-Kit-Complete-Connectors/dp/B0D9B8DCTW/ref=sr_1_3?crid=3BUKL0P7IVNW9&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.3Vxo7hR7mEIZ12qx2hsVtgw_kpHNEDXU0ensnUgqGLMqzHtH1jgBc3PlzJU5eSi3rQJTzyk84gcxa-O93kQVc5Ayt7RY4c1WGvHjW1cJOwfbotkXaaBBMl0Zm7WyBNEiuKWSDpLTpS7C9ETdliro6ZPNYxvI97c1qawWiTSQYe_dkzYi2mMD2tl-YL1OM1sWCoUTCt6dQUuNx8XIWpbtIZvKQKJzF7CCh9i82mlJ4bg.c3aPekELXi9S7dY-5c2uW2t1ipGSld6iTm8nqC1TsIY&dib_tag=se&keywords=spliseal+hot+glue+wire+splice+molds&qid=1742170485&sprefix=spliseal+%2Caps%2C176&sr=8-3 Seems crazy expensive, but I do lots of marine wires and if they are really better, I can make the case to buy it. Anyone ever use it? There is only one review, and it seemed their were problems with the order. Looking forward to what you all have to say about it. Couple of pluses, Seems to be a very good seal Don't need to worry about putting the heat tubing on before the connection. Minuses I guess you have to used their butt connectors (not really) Mold release also Might be hard in a tight spot. Do you think it's a normal glue gun? I have a nice cordless one I would rather use. Thanks again Moose --=_alternative 0001F50385258C50_= Braintrust-

Have any of you ever see this...
https://www.amazon.com/SpliSeal-Professional-Kit-Complete-Connectors/dp/B0D9B8DCTW/ref=sr_1_3?crid=3BUKL0P7IVNW9&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.3Vxo7hR7mEIZ12qx2hsVtgw_kpHNEDXU0ensnUgqGLMqzHtH1jgBc3PlzJU5eSi3rQJTzyk84gcxa-O93kQVc5Ayt7RY4c1WGvHjW1cJOwfbotkXaaBBMl0Zm7WyBNEiuKWSDpLTpS7C9ETdliro6ZPNYxvI97c1qawWiTSQYe_dkzYi2mMD2tl-YL1OM1sWCoUTCt6dQUuNx8XIWpbtIZvKQKJzF7CCh9i82mlJ4bg.c3aPekELXi9S7dY-5c2uW2t1ipGSld6iTm8nqC1TsIY&dib_tag=se&keywords=spliseal+hot+glue+wire+splice+molds&qid=1742170485&sprefix=spliseal+%2Caps%2C176&sr=8-3


Seems crazy expensive, but I do lots of marine wires and if they are really better, I can make the case to buy it.

Anyone ever use it?  There is only one review, and it seemed their were problems with the order.

Looking forward to what you all have to say about it.

Couple of pluses,
Seems to be a very good seal
Don't need to worry about putting the heat tubing on before the connection.

Minuses
I guess you have to used their butt connectors (not really)
Mold release also
Might be hard in a tight spot.

Do you think it's a normal glue gun?  I have a nice cordless one I would rather use.

Thanks again
Moose --=_alternative 0001F50385258C50_=-- --===============2548934419454808314== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============2548934419454808314==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Mar 16 18:49:12 2025 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92B55A08E1 for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2025 18:49:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yw1-f174.google.com (unknown [209.85.128.174]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A884FA065C for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2025 18:39:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-yw1-f174.google.com with SMTP id 00721157ae682-6ef7c9e9592so32404667b3.1 for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2025 17:39:18 -0700 (PDT) d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1742171958; x=1742776758; darn=autox.team.net; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=2QyLpYOimBGaKsvjpG3+Ecv8hzt0lRispRQDe1iMtvA=; b=kPU/PqTx8P8/YIGqfyTrCyCzU9WJcH4hSggqP2o7pNHLs7wTwEv7si98Nx8BNNDIi/ enuvBg5AQuVVsuue2SrH5nEnScwjt8judWIz/stOhQlUwk1pLEnTxTnPxSdyI+6rINNo 52/zo96TWMGIejfnc0W9cMy+4TbQ38c6h5OZiNSBtCJZwt9931Ks3WOUUisXiSVfnXzc 35wVTlMsek41IkUYYUjh9lGwHl0xf7kmMOhFcmWL/M9CpxA5rrUtCF3ZL0tAA0a50j9v 7XsYviidYB3rVOAg3M7IRy41Q8gZVCsdJZ2tmBqRDcAYaePKx20Mef21LkW4F9u8bHOW jc+Q== d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1742171958; x=1742776758; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=2QyLpYOimBGaKsvjpG3+Ecv8hzt0lRispRQDe1iMtvA=; b=aVSWN2Qwb5N3ch+tdfzC5a0tFHX1LtiQy+m83u+gX3gxx69GbPqoHNTS4XsOd9Noia /gHmbDB6X6us33ZvFjARdFKxQWGUMPjxeU3aAjfm1qQC32RN1nI2cljn15YW8muVXkvW F2/SMPpnNZci9BLdhcMTC+AhRz/rnfbw55IGZRfejmQ2QRlvuLMFVqyRftaQxXBhAijy zq8GfdMServGDx1Iv63th4YmMVuJMbCFGS1Ub4+0pDOL+GQnWCN+a//TFlqkx2qBSUyz GyaAr/NDPowGNeZZP/a5ZNhp6E/WdPGC9AlRsZiGt4ihGWmoYHy6TKU1ERzvqtD4jSa/ RnCg== 3AU6HRQgv8Wmor35zxzNj85ohRpKZ1MS9mgauLr3Ds49acRrG9vidvqis+XStqCg8EWPEmhse1K dGN/JPZq9K5o+5mCd8gH4MdsY4WM= X3/EanLz2Q8+9KcDPDF3NNs0LVnM50dVS2GvhZLtPoq14NGgqGmog1xvYhx8gFAWKg8azCLEhVr Y9S/vR26Bc/FdKKkmBRY46J2XU3Q== 00721157ae682-6ff4601cb32mr146661147b3.36.1742171958126; Sun, 16 Mar 2025 17:39:18 -0700 (PDT) References: From: Jeff Scarbrough Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2025 20:39:05 -0400 To: Moose Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Wire splice sealant Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============7211465767555511337== --000000000000b3ace406307f047e Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We used to get 3M heat shrink tubing with glue/sealant inside. I never had a problem with that, and it was 1/10th the trouble that this appears to be. https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/p/d/b5005036041/ On Sun, Mar 16, 2025 at 8:33=E2=80=AFPM Moose wrote: > Braintrust- > > Have any of you ever see this... > https://www.amazon.com/SpliSeal-Professional-Kit-Complete-Connectors/dp/B= 0D9B8DCTW/ref=3Dsr_1_3?crid=3D3BUKL0P7IVNW9&dib=3DeyJ2IjoiMSJ9.3Vxo7hR7mEIZ= 12qx2hsVtgw_kpHNEDXU0ensnUgqGLMqzHtH1jgBc3PlzJU5eSi3rQJTzyk84gcxa-O93kQVc5A= yt7RY4c1WGvHjW1cJOwfbotkXaaBBMl0Zm7WyBNEiuKWSDpLTpS7C9ETdliro6ZPNYxvI97c1qa= wWiTSQYe_dkzYi2mMD2tl-YL1OM1sWCoUTCt6dQUuNx8XIWpbtIZvKQKJzF7CCh9i82mlJ4bg.c= 3aPekELXi9S7dY-5c2uW2t1ipGSld > 6iTm8nqC1TsIY&dib_tag=3Dse&keywords=3Dspliseal+hot+glue+wire+splice+molds= &qid=3D1742170485&sprefix=3Dspliseal+%2Caps%2C176&sr=3D8-3 > > > > Seems crazy expensive, but I do lots of marine wires and if they are > really better, I can make the case to buy it. > > Anyone ever use it? There is only one review, and it seemed their were > problems with the order. > > Looking forward to what you all have to say about it. > > Couple of pluses, > Seems to be a very good seal > Don't need to worry about putting the heat tubing on before the connectio= n. > > Minuses > I guess you have to used their butt connectors (not really) > Mold release also > Might be hard in a tight spot. > > Do you think it's a normal glue gun? I have a nice cordless one I would > rather use. > > Thanks again > Moose_______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate@gmail.com > > --000000000000b3ace406307f047e Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Braintrust-

Have any of you ever see this...
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Seems crazy expensive, but I do lo= ts of marine wires and if they are really better, I can make the case to buy it.

Anyone ever use it?=C2=A0 There is= only one review, and it seemed their were problems with the order.

Looking forward to what you all ha= ve to say about it.

Couple of pluses,
Seems to be a very good seal
Don't need to worry about putt= ing the heat tubing on before the connection.

Minuses
I guess you have to used their but= t connectors (not really)
Mold release also
Might be hard in a tight spot.

Do you think it's a normal glu= e gun? =C2=A0I have a nice cordless one I would rather use.

Thanks again
Moose______________________= _________________________

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I=E2=80=99m guessing it comes in a range of si= zes? Where did you get it from? Thanks, Ron On Sun, Mar 16, 2025 at 7:59=E2=80=AFPM Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > We used to get 3M heat shrink tubing with glue/sealant inside. I never > had a problem with that, and it was 1/10th the trouble that this appears = to > be. > > https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/p/d/b5005036041/ > > > > On Sun, Mar 16, 2025 at 8:33=E2=80=AFPM Moose wrote: > >> Braintrust- >> >> Have any of you ever see this... >> https://www.amazon.com/SpliSeal-Professional-Kit-Complete-Connectors/dp/= B0D9B8DCTW/ref=3Dsr_1_3?crid=3D3BUKL0P7IVNW9&dib=3DeyJ2IjoiMSJ9.3Vxo7hR7mEI= Z12qx2hsVtgw_kpHNEDXU0ensnUgqGLMqzHtH1jgBc3PlzJU5eSi3rQJTzyk84gcxa-O93kQVc5= Ayt7RY4c1WGvHjW1cJOwfbotkXaaBBMl0Zm7WyBNEiuKWSDpLTpS7C9ETdliro6ZPNYxvI97c1q= awWiTSQYe_dkzYi2mMD2tl-YL1OM1sWCoUTCt6dQUuNx8XIWpbtIZvKQKJzF7CCh9i82mlJ4bg.= c3aPekELXi9S7dY-5c2uW2t1ipGSld >> 6iTm8nqC1TsIY&dib_tag=3Dse&keywords=3Dspliseal+hot+glue+wire+splice+mold= s&qid=3D1742170485&sprefix=3Dspliseal+%2Caps%2C176&sr=3D8-3 >> >> >> >> Seems crazy expensive, but I do lots of marine wires and if they are >> really better, I can make the case to buy it. >> >> Anyone ever use it? There is only one review, and it seemed their were >> problems with the order. >> >> Looking forward to what you all have to say about it. >> >> Couple of pluses, >> Seems to be a very good seal >> Don't need to worry about putting the heat tubing on before the >> connection. >> >> Minuses >> I guess you have to used their butt connectors (not really) >> Mold release also >> Might be hard in a tight spot. >> >> Do you think it's a normal glue gun? I have a nice cordless one I would >> rather use. >> >> Thanks again >> Moose_______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate@gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/ronnie.day@gmail.com > > --000000000000f3910506307fb2ec Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jeff looks very interesting. I=E2=80=99m guessing it come= s in a range of sizes? Where did you get it from?
Thanks, Ron

On Sun, Mar= 16, 2025 at 7:59=E2=80=AFPM Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail.com> wrote:
=
We used to get 3M heat shrink tubing with=C2=A0glue/sealan= t inside.=C2=A0 I never had a problem with=C2=A0that,=C2=A0and=C2=A0it was = 1/10th the trouble that this appears to be.

https://www.3m.com/3M/en= _US/p/d/b5005036041/



On Sun, Mar 16, 2025= at 8:33=E2=80=AFPM Moose <eric@megageek.com> wrote:
Braintrust-

Have any of you ever see this...
https://www.amazon.com/SpliSeal-Professional-Kit-Complete-Connectors/= dp/B0D9B8DCTW/ref=3Dsr_1_3?crid=3D3BUKL0P7IVNW9&dib=3DeyJ2IjoiMSJ9.3Vxo= 7hR7mEIZ12qx2hsVtgw_kpHNEDXU0ensnUgqGLMqzHtH1jgBc3PlzJU5eSi3rQJTzyk84gcxa-O= 93kQVc5Ayt7RY4c1WGvHjW1cJOwfbotkXaaBBMl0Zm7WyBNEiuKWSDpLTpS7C9ETdliro6ZPNYx= vI97c1qawWiTSQYe_dkzYi2mMD2tl-YL1OM1sWCoUTCt6dQUuNx8XIWpbtIZvKQKJzF7CCh9i82= mlJ4bg.c3aPekELXi9S7dY-5c2uW2t1ipGSld 6iTm8nqC1TsIY&dib_tag=3Dse&keywords=3Dspliseal+hot+glue+wire+splic= e+molds&qid=3D1742170485&sprefix=3Dspliseal+%2Caps%2C176&sr=3D8= -3


Seems crazy expensive, but I do lots of marine wires and if they are really better, I can make the case to buy it.

Anyone ever use it?=C2=A0 There is only one review, and it seemed their were problems with the order.

Looking forward to what you all have to say about it.

Couple of pluses,
Seems to be a very good seal
Don't need to worry about putting the heat tubing on before the connection.

Minuses
I guess you have to used their butt connectors (not really)
Mold release also
Might be hard in a tight spot.

Do you think it's a normal glue gun? =C2=A0I have a nice cordless one I would rather use.

Thanks again
Moose_______________________________________________=

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I=E2=80=99m guessing it comes in a range of = sizes? > Where did you get it from? > The answer is always McMaster-Carr https://www.mcmaster.com/products/adhesive-lined-heat-shrink-tubing/ But we probably got it from DigiKey back when I was buying it. You will have to poke around in their catalog to find it, though. This phone screen is too small. > > Thanks, Ron > > On Sun, Mar 16, 2025 at 7:59=E2=80=AFPM Jeff Scarbrough > wrote: > >> We used to get 3M heat shrink tubing with glue/sealant inside. I never >> had a problem with that, and it was 1/10th the trouble that this appears= to >> be. >> >> https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/p/d/b5005036041/ >> >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 16, 2025 at 8:33=E2=80=AFPM Moose wrote: >> >>> Braintrust- >>> >>> Have any of you ever see this... >>> https://www.amazon.com/SpliSeal-Professional-Kit-Complete-Connectors/dp= /B0D9B8DCTW/ref=3Dsr_1_3?crid=3D3BUKL0P7IVNW9&dib=3DeyJ2IjoiMSJ9.3Vxo7hR7mE= IZ12qx2hsVtgw_kpHNEDXU0ensnUgqGLMqzHtH1jgBc3PlzJU5eSi3rQJTzyk84gcxa-O93kQVc= 5Ayt7RY4c1WGvHjW1cJOwfbotkXaaBBMl0Zm7WyBNEiuKWSDpLTpS7C9ETdliro6ZPNYxvI97c1= qawWiTSQYe_dkzYi2mMD2tl-YL1OM1sWCoUTCt6dQUuNx8XIWpbtIZvKQKJzF7CCh9i82mlJ4bg= .c3aPekELXi9S7dY-5c2uW2t1ipGSld >>> 6iTm8nqC1TsIY&dib_tag=3Dse&keywords=3Dspliseal+hot+glue+wire+splice+mol= ds&qid=3D1742170485&sprefix=3Dspliseal+%2Caps%2C176&sr=3D8-3 >>> >>> >>> >>> Seems crazy expensive, but I do lots of marine wires and if they are >>> really better, I can make the case to buy it. >>> >>> Anyone ever use it? There is only one review, and it seemed their were >>> problems with the order. >>> >>> Looking forward to what you all have to say about it. >>> >>> Couple of pluses, >>> Seems to be a very good seal >>> Don't need to worry about putting the heat tubing on before the >>> connection. >>> >>> Minuses >>> I guess you have to used their butt connectors (not really) >>> Mold release also >>> Might be hard in a tight spot. >>> >>> Do you think it's a normal glue gun? I have a nice cordless one I woul= d >>> rather use. >>> >>> Thanks again >>> Moose_______________________________________________ >>> >>> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >>> http://autox.team.net/archive >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate@gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/ronnie.day@gmail.com >> >> --000000000000e6e0d0063087cd0e Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Sun, Mar 16, 2025, 21:28 Ronnie Day <ronnie.da= y@gmail.com> wrote:
Jeff looks very interesting. I=E2=80=99m guessing it comes in a r= ange of sizes? Where did you get it from?


The = answer is always McMaster-Carr


But we probab= ly got it from DigiKey back when I was buying it.=C2=A0 You will have to po= ke around in their catalog to find it, though.=C2=A0 This phone screen is t= oo small.=C2=A0=C2=A0

T= hanks, Ron

On Sun, Mar 16, 2025 at 7:59=E2=80=AFPM Jeff Scarbrough <= ;fishplate@gmail.com> wrote:
=
We used to get 3M heat shrink tubing with=C2=A0glue/sealan= t inside.=C2=A0 I never had a problem with=C2=A0that,=C2=A0and=C2=A0it was = 1/10th the trouble that this appears to be.

https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/p/d/b5005036041/

<= br>

On Sun, Mar 16, 2025 at 8:33=E2=80=AFPM Moose <eric@m= egageek.com> wrote:
Braintrus= t-

Have any of you ever see this...
https://www.amazon.com/SpliSeal-Profess= ional-Kit-Complete-Connectors/dp/B0D9B8DCTW/ref=3Dsr_1_3?crid=3D3BUKL0P7IVN= W9&dib=3DeyJ2IjoiMSJ9.3Vxo7hR7mEIZ12qx2hsVtgw_kpHNEDXU0ensnUgqGLMqzHtH1= jgBc3PlzJU5eSi3rQJTzyk84gcxa-O93kQVc5Ayt7RY4c1WGvHjW1cJOwfbotkXaaBBMl0Zm7Wy= BNEiuKWSDpLTpS7C9ETdliro6ZPNYxvI97c1qawWiTSQYe_dkzYi2mMD2tl-YL1OM1sWCoUTCt6= dQUuNx8XIWpbtIZvKQKJzF7CCh9i82mlJ4bg.c3aPekELXi9S7dY-5c2uW2t1ipGSld 6iTm8nqC1TsIY&dib_tag=3Dse&keywords=3Dspliseal+hot+glue+wire+splic= e+molds&qid=3D1742170485&sprefix=3Dspliseal+%2Caps%2C176&sr=3D8= -3


Seems crazy expensive, but I do lots of marine wires and if they are really better, I can make the case to buy it.

Anyone ever use it?=C2=A0 There is only one review, and it seemed their were problems with the order.

Looking forward to what you all have to say about it.

Couple of pluses,
Seems to be a very good seal
Don't need to worry about putting the heat tubing on before the connection.

Minuses
I guess you have to used their butt connectors (not really)
Mold release also
Might be hard in a tight spot.

Do you think it's a normal glue gun? =C2=A0I have a nice cordless one I would rather use.

Thanks again
Moose_______________________________________________=

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Glue-lined heat= shrink is cheap, easy, fast and effective.  I use it on my boat for e= very wire splice putting it over a glue-lined wire splice connector or end = terminal.  Just remember to slip the heat shrink on before you finish = the splice or attach the terminal.  I've been very pleased with the pr= e-cut tubes from Wirefy from Amazon (https://www.amazo= n.com/dp/B09NW7954L?ref_=3Dppx_hzsearch_conn_dt_b_fed_asin_title_4) but= you can also get good quality bulk rolls from Amazon which can be more eco= nomical than the pre-cut selections.
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We used to get 3M heat shrink tubing with glue/sealant insi= de.  I never had a problem with that, and it was 1/10th= the trouble that this appears to be.

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https://www.amazon.com/SpliSeal-Professional-Kit-Compl= ete-Connectors/dp/B0D9B8DCTW/ref=3Dsr_1_3?crid=3D3BUKL0P7IVNW9&dib=3Dey= J2IjoiMSJ9.3Vxo7hR7mEIZ12qx2hsVtgw_kpHNEDXU0ensnUgqGLMqzHtH1jgBc3PlzJU5eSi3= rQJTzyk84gcxa-O93kQVc5Ayt7RY4c1WGvHjW1cJOwfbotkXaaBBMl0Zm7WyBNEiuKWSDpLTpS7= C9ETdliro6ZPNYxvI97c1qawWiTSQYe_dkzYi2mMD2tl-YL1OM1sWCoUTCt6dQUuNx8XIWpbtIZ= vKQKJzF7CCh9i82mlJ4bg.c3aPekELXi9S7dY-5c2uW2t1ipGSld 6iTm8nqC1TsIY&dib_= tag=3Dse&keywords=3Dspliseal+hot+glue+wire+splice+molds&qid=3D17421= 70485&sprefix=3Dspliseal+%2Caps%2C176&sr=3D8-3=20


Seems crazy expensive, but I do lots of marine wires and if= they are really better, I can make the case to buy it.=20

Anyone ever use it?  There is only one review, and it = seemed their were problems with the order.=20

Looking forward to what you all have to say about it.=20

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Do you think it's a normal glue gun?  I have a nice co= rdless one I would rather use.=20

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Hit it with the heat, and wipe away the excess. Easy peasy, wirey squeezy. On Mon, Mar 17, 2025 at 9:53=E2=80=AFAM wrote: > It was in a video my buddy sent me. > > It seems overpriced, but if it works, I like the idea of not worrying > about if the tubing is 100% shrunk or not. > > > > > > From: Ronnie Day > To: Jeff Scarbrough > Cc: Moose , Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Date: 03/16/2025 09:28 PM > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Wire splice sealant > ------------------------------ > > > > Jeff looks very interesting. I=E2=80=99m guessing it comes in a range of = sizes? > Where did you get it from? > > Thanks, Ron > > On Sun, Mar 16, 2025 at 7:59=E2=80=AFPM Jeff Scarbrough <*fishplate@gmail= .com* > > wrote: > We used to get 3M heat shrink tubing with glue/sealant inside. I never > had a problem with that, and it was 1/10th the trouble that this appears = to > be. > > *https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/p/d/b5005036041/* > > > > > On Sun, Mar 16, 2025 at 8:33=E2=80=AFPM Moose <*eric@megageek.com* > > wrote: > Braintrust- > > Have any of you ever see this... > *https://www.amazon.com/SpliSeal-Professional-Kit-Complete-Connectors/dp/= B0D9B8DCTW/ref=3Dsr_1_3?crid=3D3BUKL0P7IVNW9&dib=3DeyJ2IjoiMSJ9.3Vxo7hR7mEI= Z12qx2hsVtgw_kpHNEDXU0ensnUgqGLMqzHtH1jgBc3PlzJU5eSi3rQJTzyk84gcxa-O93kQVc5= Ayt7RY4c1WGvHjW1cJOwfbotkXaaBBMl0Zm7WyBNEiuKWSDpLTpS7C9ETdliro6ZPNYxvI97c1q= awWiTSQYe_dkzYi2mMD2tl-YL1OM1sWCoUTCt6dQUuNx8XIWpbtIZvKQKJzF7CCh9i82mlJ4bg.= c3aPekELXi9S7dY-5c2uW2t1ipGSld > 6iTm8nqC1TsIY&dib_tag=3Dse&keywords=3Dspliseal+hot+glue+wire+splice+molds= &qid=3D1742170485&sprefix=3Dspliseal+%2Caps%2C176&sr=3D8-3* > > > > Seems crazy expensive, but I do lots of marine wires and if they are > really better, I can make the case to buy it. > > Anyone ever use it? There is only one review, and it seemed their were > problems with the order. > > Looking forward to what you all have to say about it. > > Couple of pluses, > Seems to be a very good seal > Don't need to worry about putting the heat tubing on before the connectio= n. > > Minuses > I guess you have to used their butt connectors (not really) > Mold release also > Might be hard in a tight spot. > > Do you think it's a normal glue gun? I have a nice cordless one I would > rather use. > > Thanks again > Moose_______________________________________________ > > *Shop-talk@autox.team.net* > Donate: *http://www.team.net/donate.html* > > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: *http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk* > *http://autox.team.net/archive* > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > *http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate@gmail.com* > > > _______________________________________________ > > *Shop-talk@autox.team.net* > Donate: *http://www.team.net/donate.html* > > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: *http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk* > *http://autox.team.net/archive* > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > *http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/ronnie.day@gmail.com* > > > --000000000000a7ed4906308d708f Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If you want to seal it, squirt some 100% silicone up in th= e tube before you shrink it.=C2=A0 Hit it with the heat, and wipe away the = excess.=C2=A0 Easy peasy, wirey squeezy.

On Mon, Mar 1= 7, 2025 at 9:53=E2=80=AFAM <eric@me= gageek.com> wrote:
It was in a video my buddy = sent me. =C2=A0

It seems overpriced, but if it wor= ks, I like the idea of not worrying about if the tubing is 100% shrunk or not.<= /font>





From: =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Ronnie Day <ronnie.day@gmail.com>= ;
To: =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail.com= >
Cc: =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Moose <eric@megageek.com>, Shop-talk@aut= ox.team.net
Date: =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A003/16/2025 09:28 PM
Subject: =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Re: [Shop-talk] Wire splice sealant



Jeff looks very interesting. I=E2=80=99m guessing it c= omes in a range of sizes? Where did you get it from?

Thanks, Ron

On Sun, Mar 16, 2025 at 7:59=E2=80=AFPM Jeff Scarbroug= h <fishplate@gmail.com> wrote:
We used to get 3M heat shrink tubing with=C2=A0glue/se= alant inside.=C2=A0 I never had a problem with=C2=A0that,=C2=A0and=C2=A0it was 1/10th the trouble that this appears to be.

https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/= p/d/b5005036041/



On Sun, Mar 16, 2025 at 8:33=E2=80=AFPM Moose <eric@megageek.com> wrote:
Braintrust-

Have any of you ever see this...
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Seems crazy expensive, but I do lots of marine wires and if they are really better, I can make the case to buy it.

Anyone ever use it?=C2=A0 There is only one review, and it seemed their were problems with the order.

Looking forward to what you all have to say about it.

Couple of pluses,
Seems to be a very good seal
Don't need to worry about putting the heat tubing on before the connect= ion.

Minuses
I guess you have to used their butt connectors (not really)
Mold release also
Might be hard in a tight spot.

Do you think it's a normal glue gun?=C2=A0 I have a nice cordless one I would rather use.

Thanks again
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Looking=C2=A0at it further, how does the mold ensure that = the splice connector is completely surrounded by sealant?=C2=A0 Any method= =C2=A0of holding the splice could also leave an opening to the=C2=A0metal p= ortion, I'm thinking.=C2=A0 Or overthinking?=C2=A0=C2=A0

On Sun, Mar 16, 2025 at 8:33=E2=80=AFPM Moose <eric@megageek.com> wrote:
Br= aintrust-

Have any of you ever see this...
https://www.amazon.com/SpliSeal= -Professional-Kit-Complete-Connectors/dp/B0D9B8DCTW/ref=3Dsr_1_3?crid=3D3BU= KL0P7IVNW9&dib=3DeyJ2IjoiMSJ9.3Vxo7hR7mEIZ12qx2hsVtgw_kpHNEDXU0ensnUgqG= LMqzHtH1jgBc3PlzJU5eSi3rQJTzyk84gcxa-O93kQVc5Ayt7RY4c1WGvHjW1cJOwfbotkXaaBB= Ml0Zm7WyBNEiuKWSDpLTpS7C9ETdliro6ZPNYxvI97c1qawWiTSQYe_dkzYi2mMD2tl-YL1OM1s= WCoUTCt6dQUuNx8XIWpbtIZvKQKJzF7CCh9i82mlJ4bg.c3aPekELXi9S7dY-5c2uW2t1ipGSld 6iTm8nqC1TsIY&dib_tag=3Dse&keywords=3Dspliseal+hot+glue+wire+splic= e+molds&qid=3D1742170485&sprefix=3Dspliseal+%2Caps%2C176&sr=3D8= -3


Seems crazy expensive, but I do lo= ts of marine wires and if they are really better, I can make the case to buy it.

Anyone ever use it?=C2=A0 There is= only one review, and it seemed their were problems with the order.

Looking forward to what you all ha= ve to say about it.

Couple of pluses,
Seems to be a very good seal
Don't need to worry about putt= ing the heat tubing on before the connection.

Minuses
I guess you have to used their but= t connectors (not really)
Mold release also
Might be hard in a tight spot.

Do you think it's a normal glu= e gun? =C2=A0I have a nice cordless one I would rather use.

Thanks again
Moose______________________= _________________________

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is handy.=C2=A0 I don't s= ee it's worth what they are charging for their kit. >Seriously, I currently use these typesof heat shrink tubing. =C2=A0My prob= lems is that I never=C2=A0>seem to know ifI completely 'sealed' them with h= eat, and that is only if I remember toput=C2=A0>the tubing on the write PRI= OR to making the connection. =C2=A0DOH!=C2=A0Also, the precut stuff=C2=A0>a= lways seems to be 'just long enough' if that.=20 Exactly.=C2=A0 I prefer to have my own collection of different sizes of hea= t shrink.=C2=A0 I buy it from a local shop.=C2=A0 No I can control the leng= th. For my outside Coax connectors, after they are soldered to the coax,=C2=A0 = I connect the connector to the antenna or a barrel to bring the cable into = the house.=C2=A0 I then wrap the connector with water proof tape which you = can get at Home depot :1. Temflex 2155 - heres an alternative: =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 a. Nashua Stretch & Seal self-fusing silicone ta= pe - $8/10ft - Aisle 09, Bay 014 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 b. Scotch/3M 2242 tape - $6/15ft -2. T= he above tape is NOT UV safe so I then wrap that tape with=C2=A0 Scotch Sup= er 88 black electrical tape. A lot depend on what your trying to make/fix/install.=C2=A0 For trying to r= epair a new car wiring harness is a real pain in the A$$.=C2=A0 I've used s= ome of those butt splices with the low temp solder.=C2=A0 They seem to work= well. JohnT John T. Blair=C2=A0 WA4OHZ=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 email:=C2=A0 jblair1948@= cox.netVa. 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On Monday, March 17, 2025 at 01:49:13 PM EDT, Moose= wrote:

>I have to admit, I'm surprised that everyone seems to be against buyi= ng a new type of tool! 8>)

Moose,

I don't= really think it's anything revolutionary,  just convient!.  Havi= ng a bunch of precut piece of heat shrink is handy.  I don't see it's = worth what they are charging for their kit.


>Seriously,= I currently use these types of heat shrink tubing.  My problems is that I never 
=
>seem to know if I completely 'sealed' them with heat, and that is only if I remember to put 
>the tubing on the write PRIOR= to making the connection.  DOH!  Also, the precut stuff 
>alwa= ys seems to be 'just long enough' if that.

Ex= actly.  I prefer to have my own collection of different sizes of heat = shrink.  I buy it from a local shop.  No I can control the length= .

For my outside Coax connectors, after they are soldered= to the coax,  I connect the connector to the antenna or a barrel to b= ring the cable into the house.  I then wrap the connector with water p= roof tape which you can get at Home depot :
1. Temflex 2155 - heres an alternative:
   &= nbsp;   a. Nashua Stretch & Seal self-fusing silicone tape - $8/10= ft - Aisle 09, Bay 014
       b. Scot= ch/3M 2242 tape - $6/15ft -
2. = The above tape is NOT UV safe so I then wrap that tape with  Sco= tch Super 88 black electrical tape.

A lot depend o= n what your trying to make/fix/install.  For trying to repair a new ca= r wiring harness is a real pain in the A$$.  I've used some of those b= utt splices with the low temp solder.  They seem to work well.

JohnT

John T. Blair&nb= sp; WA4OHZ     email:  jblair1948@cox.net Va. Beach, Va          &n= bsp;       Phone:  (757) 495-8229
48 TR1800    48 #4 Midget    65 Morgan 4/4 Se= ries V (B1106)
     75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887)    77 Spitf= ire    71 Saab Sonett III
            &nb= sp;          65 Rambler Classi= c

Morgan:    http://autox.team.net/morgan/

<= a href=3D"http://autox.team.net/morgan/" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank"= class=3D""> Bricklin:     http://www.bricklin.org
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I have a need (want?) for one now. So, what do y'all use? Cheers tim --_000_MN6PR14MB7197F76870E269AD0D74F2C4B4DB2MN6PR14MB7197namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Apologies as I am certain that this has been cussed and discussed before bu= t I didn't keep track of this before....

I have a need (want?) for one now. 

So, what do y'all use? 

Cheers
tim
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I use tailscale. My use case is to access my home ne= twork while traveling, as well as protection from others on open WiFi netwo= rks at hotels, airports, coffee shops, etc.

This does NOT obscure my traffic from my ISP, so if tha= t's what you need a different solution would be in order.
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Best Regards,
Al Fuller

On Fri= , Mar 21, 2025, 4:58=E2=80=AFPM Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com> wrote:
Apologies as I am certain that this has been cussed and discussed before bu= t I didn't keep track of this before....

I have a need (want?) for one now.=C2=A0

So, what do y'all use?=C2=A0

Cheers
tim
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--00000000000040b8c50630e5854f-- --===============1997253026122403871== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============1997253026122403871==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Mar 25 14:36:00 2025 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58136A0B2F for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2025 14:36:00 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from omta37.uswest2.a.cloudfilter.net (unknown [35.89.44.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B6D7A0AF7 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2025 14:19:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from eig-obgw-6008a.ext.cloudfilter.net ([10.0.30.227]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPS id xA1utT35RAfjwxAjdtOMxf; Tue, 25 Mar 2025 20:18:53 +0000 Received: from gator3187.hostgator.com ([198.57.247.151]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPS id xAjctbawbnR6exAjctg6F9; Tue, 25 Mar 2025 20:18:52 +0000 a=Mqvr/GE3x0Xge+KcK8ly5g==:117 a=ZPRxpFKvE81YkWoBAesJOQ==:17 a=dmLLnCpU634PVoIU:21 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Vs1iUdzkB0EA:10 a=c-JOwDoeAAAA:8 a=mLvAkqdFkBlK6UcL-REA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=9qBysnV-KleGp79ZhgsP:22 a=QVQzHgm65e50z33Sr-tF:22 Received: from gator3187.hostgator.com ([198.57.247.151]:24894) by gator3187.hostgator.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.98.1) (envelope-from ) id 1txAjc-00000001uFq-0PDK for shop-talk@autox.team.net; Tue, 25 Mar 2025 15:18:52 -0500 Received: from 194-135-138-139.adstx.net ([139.138.135.194]) by automate-it.com with HTTP (HTTP/1.1 POST); Tue, 25 Mar 2025 15:18:51 -0500 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2025 15:18:51 -0500 From: lee@automate-it.com To: shop-talk User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.6.9 please include it with any abuse report XLT5HczCEDT6IXje4PGvzAq2aE2rx/GmP+/Fbyg3KzyCLCwZRAtS+k6FpYyubQr+CD6dBECdTkcMn6pFyEDmxgfHGJCOjQ1hTwQ= Subject: [Shop-talk] FYI: it's still possible to buy good tools at a good price Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I needed a new torque wrench but had trouble finding one with the specs I wanted. I don't ever need to reach 250 ft-lbs, I'd like to measure down to 10 or 20 ft-lbs, and I didn't want a no-name brand. I wanted 1/2" drive. I guess that the electronic ones are nice to have, but they're twice the price as the "click" ones. I had trouble meeting these criteria. Then I found the place to get original Craftsman tools that may have been cleared out of stores that closed. Yep, sears.com. I found exactly what I wanted: Crafsman 1/2" drive, 10 to 150 ft-lbs click wrench. Original price: $139.99. Currently available at $54.99. I jumped on it. I feared that this might be a Chinese fake one or worse, but the return policy was solid. It arrived in a few days - and DAYUM, this is just what I wanted. Clearly original Craftsman quality, comes in the old-school case like a lot of the Sears tools did. It still had the security tag on it (i.e. this was originally in a store somewhere and they didn't want it to get stolen). I was reinstalling my TR6 front suspension with all new bushings etc. so plenty of chances to test it out, and it works beautifully (and feels great in my hands). There are plenty of other tool options there; if you're looking for a good tool I recommend it. The one I bought is still showing availability, plenty of others available too (at highly discounted prices): https://www.sears.com/craftsman-1-2-8221-dr-10-150-ft-lb-torque-wrench-24t/p-A102532141 A lot of the tools I looked at were more than 50% discounted. The one I bought did NOT offer free shipping, but some of the pricier tools do. As usual, YMMV. 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If so, do you have issues with the audio and video not being sync= ed? I am currently watching live darts from Portsmouth, UK and am having this i= ssue. (The only way I can watch these live darts events is by spoofing my l= ocation as being in the UK.) I am wondering if it is the vpn or the site I = am watch on.... thanks ________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of Tim . Sent: Friday, March 21, 2025 6:53 PM To: Shop Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] private VPN Apologies as I am certain that this has been cussed and discussed before bu= t I didn't keep track of this before.... I have a need (want?) for one now. So, what do y'all use? Cheers tim --_000_MN6PR14MB7197604B74A3DE1E081C7C11B4A32MN6PR14MB7197namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
For those of you who use SurfShark, do you ever stream live sports on your = computer? If so, do you have issues with the audio and video not being sync= ed? 

I am currently watching live darts from Portsmouth, UK and am having this i= ssue. (The only way I can watch these live darts events is by spoofing my l= ocation as being in the UK.) I am wondering if it is the vpn or the site I = am watch on....

thanks
From: Shop-talk <shop-ta= lk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff@outl= ook.com>
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2025 6:53 PM
To: Shop Talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: [Shop-talk] private VPN
 
Apologies as I am certain that this has been cussed and discussed before bu= t I didn't keep track of this before....

I have a need (want?) for one now. 

So, what do y'all use? 

Cheers
tim
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I had always heard just water with a few drops of detergent. My wife came to me asking to clean her jewelry and she wanted to know if I had enough "pine sol" Who told you to use Pine Sol?!? One of her friends! Figured I would Pulse the group on it. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 29 20:27:52 2025 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70A17A03E4 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2025 20:27:52 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from outbound-mail02.vgs.untd.com (unknown [64.136.55.36]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5198FA058C for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2025 20:20:25 -0600 (MDT) t=1743301192; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=kfqsYCdtQdNQxxslbrOG1H6W1O5dKGUThVW3g9BpWBiu3m1O0UuxUgOR5V5LiIsd3 Zw9BQqKM5bBjQOOd2ygovuKdXqH3HMnHTILpRZNfkVI9cn8qb5JejdwKD1jMpcdDmX GqwwpXRSttXnAOIgfBZ6Khmyujam4Umb6AolRX8M= Received: from outbound-mail.vgs.untd.com (webmail08.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.148]) by smtpout02.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABV8TLS6AEHFANS for (sender ); Sat, 29 Mar 2025 19:19:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [65.200.160.161] by webmail08.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Sun, 30 Mar 2025 02:18:23 GMT From: "Matt" Full-Name: "Matt" Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2025 02:18:23 GMT To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [Shop-talk] PR96-133 Lubrication Servicing Unit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net A buddy wants me to go in with him on a project. Some guy has subject equipment (4K # on a trailer) he wants to get rid of. My google fu reveals a diesel powered assembly but is very short of details. It sounds like it has a compressor, pumps and some tanks. This started because I was looking for a diesel generator around 20kw and the Last thing I need is additional projects! 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I put the dirty bits in zip top bags filed with what ever solution I think works best. Sometimes I'll use windex, or a home mix of water+rubbing alcohol+dawn dish soap+baking soda. Seal up the bag with the parts plus concentrated solution, run the cleaner for 30 min or so, and the tank and water stays clean. If the grungy bits aren't too bad, I can reuse the zip top + solution again, and I keep the bag of fluid in an old plastic costco nuts container with a wide screw top lid. --Miq On Sat, Mar 29, 2025, 7:14=E2=80=AFPM Matt wrote: > What does the group have to say about preferred fluids for ultrasonic > cleaning? I had always heard just water with a few drops of detergent. M= y > wife came to me asking to clean her jewelry and she wanted to know if I h= ad > enough "pine sol" Who told you to use Pine Sol?!? One of her friends! > > Figured I would Pulse the group on it. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/miq@bigllama.com > > --00000000000054555506318669b8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I run just distilled water in the tank.=C2=A0

I put the dirty bits in zip top bags file= d with what ever solution I think works best.=C2=A0 Sometimes I'll use = windex, or a home mix of water+rubbing alcohol+dawn dish soap+baking soda.= =C2=A0

Seal up the bag w= ith the parts plus concentrated solution, run the cleaner for 30 min or so,= and the tank and water stays clean.=C2=A0=C2=A0
If the grungy bits aren't too bad, I can reuse= the zip top + solution again, and I keep the bag of fluid in an old plasti= c costco nuts container with a wide screw top lid.=C2=A0

=C2=A0 --Miq

On= Sat, Mar 29, 2025, 7:14=E2=80=AFPM Matt <mbarre@juno.com> wrote:
What does the group have to say about preferred fluids for ultrasonic clea= ning?=C2=A0 I had always heard just water with a few drops of detergent. My= wife came to me asking to clean her jewelry and she wanted to know if I ha= d enough "pine sol" Who told you to use Pine Sol?!?=C2=A0 One of = her friends!

Figured I would Pulse the group on it.
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--00000000000054555506318669b8-- --===============6309351012624281280== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============6309351012624281280==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Mar 29 21:14:19 2025 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23873A05C1 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2025 21:14:19 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from Deep13.mail.Megageek.com (unknown [34.199.103.79]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7222A0372 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2025 20:55:13 -0600 (MDT) References: <20250329.220519.25858.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net type=4; name=$KeepSent From: eric@megageek.com Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2025 21:54:41 -0500 03/29/2025 10:54:47 PM, Serialize complete at 03/29/2025 10:54:47 PM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] ULTRASONIC CLEANING Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============3633637016059343645== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 000FFE0F86258C5D_= The trick I use is to fill the tank with water, then, fill a glass bottle with gas. Put the item in the glass, and put the glass in the water. The ultrasonic waves pass right through the glass and this way you only need a little gas instead of filling the entire tank with gas. Note, I don't put a lid on the jar, and I fill the tank with water up to the rim of the glass jar. Moose From: "Matt" To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Date: 03/29/2025 09:13 PM Subject: [Shop-talk] ULTRASONIC CLEANING Sent by: "Shop-talk" What does the group have to say about preferred fluids for ultrasonic cleaning? I had always heard just water with a few drops of detergent. My wife came to me asking to clean her jewelry and she wanted to know if I had enough "pine sol" Who told you to use Pine Sol?!? One of her friends! Figured I would Pulse the group on it. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eric@megageek.com --=_alternative 000FFE0F86258C5D_= The trick I use is to fill the tank with water, then, fill a glass bottle with gas. Put the item in the glass, and put the glass in the water.

The ultrasonic waves pass right through the glass and this way you only need a little gas instead of filling the entire tank with gas.

Note, I don't put a lid on the jar, and I fill the tank with water up to the rim of the glass jar.

Moose



From:        "Matt" <mbarre@juno.com>
To:        shop-talk@autox.team.net
Date:        03/29/2025 09:13 PM
Subject:        [Shop-talk] ULTRASONIC CLEANING
Sent by:        "Shop-talk" <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net>



What does the group have to say about preferred fluids for ultrasonic cleaning?  I had always heard just water with a few drops of detergent. My wife came to me asking to clean her jewelry and she wanted to know if I had enough "pine sol" Who told you to use Pine Sol?!?  One of her friends!

Figured I would Pulse the group on it.
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I believe tha= t=E2=80=99s what the instructions said. Works great. On Sun, Mar 30, 2025 at 7:46=E2=80=AFAM Matt wrote: > 2 excellent responses right off the bat! > Thanks guys! > > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: MIQ MILLMAN > To: Matt > Cc: Shop Talk > Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] ULTRASONIC CLEANING > Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2025 19:53:31 -0700 > > I run just distilled water in the tank. > I put the dirty bits in zip top bags filed with what ever solution I thin= k > works best. Sometimes I'll use windex, or a home mix of water+rubbin= g > alcohol+dawn dish soap+baking soda. > Seal up the bag with the parts plus concentrated solution, run the cleane= r > for 30 min or so, and the tank and water stays clean. > If the grungy bits aren't too bad, I can reuse the zip top + solution > again, and I keep the bag of fluid in an old plastic costco nuts containe= r > with a wide screw top lid. > --Miq > On Sat, Mar 29, 2025, 7:14=E2=80=AFPM Matt wrote: > What does the group have to say about preferred fluids for ultrasonic > cleaning? I had always heard just water with a few drops of detergent. M= y > wife came to me asking to clean her jewelry and she wanted to know if I h= ad > enough "pine sol" Who told you to use Pine Sol?!? One of her friends! > > Figured I would Pulse the group on it. > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/miq@bigllama.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/shop-talk2@mcfetridge.org > > --0000000000002e645706318eac48 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
We use distilled water in my wife=E2=80=99s jewelry clean= er.=C2=A0 I believe that=E2=80=99s what the instructions said.=C2=A0 Works = great.

On Sun, Mar 30, 2025 at 7:46=E2=80=AFAM Ma= tt <mbarre@juno.com> wrote:
2 excellent responses right off the b= at!=C2=A0
Thanks guys!


---------- Original Message ----------
From: MIQ MILLMAN <miq@bigllama.com>
To: Matt <mbarre@ju= no.com>
Cc: Shop Talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] ULTRASONIC CLEANING
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2025 19:53:31 -0700

I run just distilled water in the tank.=C2=A0
I put the dirty bits in zip top bags filed with what ever solution I think = works best.=C2=A0 Sometimes I&#39;ll use windex, or a home mix of water= +rubbing alcohol+dawn dish soap+baking soda.=C2=A0
Seal up the bag with the parts plus concentrated solution, run the cleaner = for 30 min or so, and the tank and water stays clean.=C2=A0=C2=A0
If the grungy bits aren&#39;t too bad, I can reuse the zip top + soluti= on again, and I keep the bag of fluid in an old plastic costco nuts contain= er with a wide screw top lid.=C2=A0
=C2=A0 --Miq
On Sat, Mar 29, 2025, 7:14=E2=80=AFPM Matt <mbarre@juno.com> wrote:
What does the group have to say about preferred fluids for ultrasonic clean= ing?=C2=A0 I had always heard just water with a few drops of detergent. My = wife came to me asking to clean her jewelry and she wanted to know if I had= enough "pine sol" Who told you to use Pine Sol?!?=C2=A0 One of h= er friends!

Figured I would Pulse the group on it.
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I "learned" it from more than a few of my motorcycling pals. Might be one of those things that just has legs but it works for me and is cheap and easily disposed of. jim > On Mar 29, 2025, at 10:05 PM, Matt wrote: > > What does the group have to say about preferred fluids for ultrasonic cleaning? I had always heard just water with a few drops of detergent. My wife came to me asking to clean her jewelry and she wanted to know if I had enough "pine sol" Who told you to use Pine Sol?!? 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Great post! I've learned a lot. Jack -----Original Message----- From: Shop-talk On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2025 8:05 PM To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: [Shop-talk] ULTRASONIC CLEANING What does the group have to say about preferred fluids for ultrasonic cleaning? I had always heard just water with a few drops of detergent. My wife came to me asking to clean her jewelry and she wanted to know if I had enough "pine sol" Who told you to use Pine Sol?!? One of her friends! 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