Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] shop internet connection

From: Peter Murray <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2025 22:56:07 -0500

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I'll add to the list of folks recommending the replacement of this laptop.
Windows 7 is very susceptible to nefarious behaviors, with many
never-to-be-patched issues. As a last resort with this machine, you could
try a lightweight Linux distribution on that machine, but verify hardware
support before you dive in with both feet.

Check out https://swappa.com for good used options. Be certain to get a CPU
that is supported by Windows 11. What do you need this machine to do? I am
leery of the very inexpensive mini-PCs, as I'm not highly trusting of their
manufacturers. I'd stick with a recent-generation Intel NUC if I were to go
that route.

-Peter

On Thu, Jan 2, 2025 at 6:34=E2=80=AFPM john niolon <[email-masked]> wrote:

> well that is an unusual development... moved the laptop to sit right next
> to the Orbi modem
> five speedtest gave me 25-30 mb download and a little less upload with
> latency around45 ms
>
> took it back to the shop sitting next to the satellite and got 50-60 mb
> down and 40-=3D50 up with less latency
>
> so I'm assuming it's just my old slow laptop as ya'll say...just like me
> old and slow
>
> My Orbi is a model RBR10   app version2.42.0.56
>
> firmware version v2.7.3.22
>
> I've started looking online for refurbed units... I've been using a
> refurbed DELL Optiflex 990 for several years with no problems
> they are getting cheaper every day... and I've got room for a small form
> factor and monitor in the shop... might just go that way
>
> if ya'll have any suggestions on the refurbs... I'm all ears
>
>    thanks for all the input
> john
>
> *----- Original Message -----*
> *From:* MIQ MILLMAN <[email-masked]>
> *To:* john niolon <[email-masked]>
> *Cc:* shop-talk <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* 1/2/2025 3:26:21 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] shop internet connection
> ------------------------------
> As others have said, the old laptop is probably running within specs.
> Wifi-BGN is going to peak throughput of about 38-40 mbps.
>
> The latest spec for Wifi (aka Wifi-6) is 802.11ax or just AX as a
> designation to differentiate from the past "livingroom" standard of
> 802.11ac.
>
> Both of these are overkill for what you want/need, ac peaks at 3.5Gbps,
> and ax peaks at 9.6Gbps.
>
> The Toshiba you have also has a limit of 100 Mbps on the ethernet port
> built in.   So, even if you went with a cheap "hardwire solution" and tri=
ed
> to connect a switch to the ethernet port on the Orbi, you would still be
> limited to what the older laptop can manage.
>
> It's also possible that the version Orbi you have is only capable of
> 802.11ac, you don't mention which version you have, but they still
> sell/support the older versions, and the price is rather steep for the
> latest versions
>
> Even if you were to replace/upgrade to a usb dongle wifi connection, it
> would be limited to the speed of USB 2.0 and the older bus speeds in the
> Toshiba.  Also not sure that spending $35 on a wifi adapter is the best u=
se
> of funds.... (e.g.  TP-Link AX1800 can plug into a standard USB a port, b=
ut
> the laptop would not be able to support the speeds.)
>
> If you are on a budget, I would look at chromebooks as an option,
>
> here's a not terrible option from Lenovo for $250 from the 'zon:
> https://a.co/d/am8aVRV
>
> All that said, most of the world runs just fine on 20-30 Mbps.
>
>   --Miq
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 2, 2025 at 10:34=E2=80=AFAM john niolon <[email-masked]> wro=
te:
>
>> I'm trying to get better internet connectivity in my detached
>> garage/shop.  First tried hardwired cat-5 but it was right at the limit =
for
>> distance and slow and intermittent.  Next went with power line adapters =
and
>> while they were consistent in connection...speed was still slower than I
>> wanted...
>>
>> This Christmas my s-I-l gave me a Orbi mesh system and we installed it
>> with no problem putting one satellite box IN the garage and the master b=
ox
>> sitting on top of my fiber modem hard wired to the modem.
>>
>> I have 300mb fiber from ATT and the speed is great (350-375 MB) to
>> hardwired pc and around 140 mb on ipad in the house or in the garage.
>> I have an older laptop I use in the shop (Toshiba Satellite L875D-st210)
>> which is my primary shop machine.  Best speed I can get is 30-40 mb.
>> while the tablet sitting next to it is 140 mb+.
>>
>> I'm wondering if the old laptop has a wireless card that is old and
>> slower?  Everything I knew about computers is old and obsolete after 20
>> years out of the business.  Can someone with current knowledge tell me i=
f
>> the problem is with an antiquated card in the laptop and is there a way =
to
>> get better wireless speed on the laptop?  or is that just the nature of
>> wireless nowadays? BTW the laptop is running windows 7 with no options t=
o
>> run win 10.
>>
>>
>> thanks
>> John
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I&#39;ll add to the list of folks recommending the replace=
ment of this laptop. Windows 7 is very susceptible to nefarious behaviors, =
with many never-to-be-patched issues. As a last=C2=A0resort with this machi=
ne, you could try a lightweight Linux distribution on that machine, but ver=
ify hardware support before you dive in with both feet.<div><br></div><div>=
Check out <a href=3D"https://swappa.com">https://swappa.com</a> for good us=
ed options. Be certain to get a CPU that is supported by Windows 11. What d=
o you need this machine to do? I am leery of the very inexpensive mini-PCs,=
 as I&#39;m not highly trusting of their manufacturers. I&#39;d stick with =
a recent-generation Intel NUC if I were to go that route.</div><div><br></d=
iv><div>-Peter</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_contain=
er"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 2, 2025 at 6:34=E2=80=
=AFPM john niolon &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a=
>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px=
 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">

<div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">well that is an unusual development... moved t=
he laptop to sit right next to the Orbi modem</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">five speedtest gave me 25-30 mb download and a=
 little less upload with latency around45 ms</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">took it back to the shop sitting next to the s=
atellite and got 50-60 mb down and 40-=3D50 up with less latency</font></di=
v>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">so I&#39;m assuming it&#39;s just my old slow =
laptop as ya&#39;ll say...just like me=C2=A0 old and slow</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">My Orbi is a model RBR10=C2=A0=C2=A0 app versi=
on2.42</font><font face=3D"Segoe UI">.0.56</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">firmware version v2.7.3.22</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">I&#39;ve started looking online for refurbed u=
nits... I&#39;ve been using a refurbed DELL Optiflex 990 for several years =
with no problems</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">they are getting cheaper every day... and I&#3=
9;ve got room for a small form factor and monitor in the shop... might just=
 go that way</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">if ya&#39;ll have any suggestions on the refur=
bs... I&#39;m all ears</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">=C2=A0=C2=A0 thanks for all the input</font></=
div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">john</font></div>
<blockquote style=3D"padding:0px 0px 0px 0.5em;border-left:1px solid rgb(19=
9,229,255);margin:0px 0px 0px 0.5em">
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;;color:rgb(0,0=
,0)"><b>----- Original Message -----</b></div>
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;;color:rgb(0,0=
,0)"><b>From:</b> MIQ MILLMAN &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targe=
t=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</div>
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;;color:rgb(0,0=
,0)"><b>To:</b> john niolon &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</div>
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;;color:rgb(0,0=
,0)"><b>Cc:</b> shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" t=
arget=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt;</div>
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;;color:rgb(0,0=
,0)"><b>Sent:</b> 1/2/2025 3:26:21 PM</div>
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;;color:rgb(0,0=
,0)"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] shop internet connection</div>
<hr style=3D"border-width:medium;border-style:none;border-color:initial;hei=
ght:1px;color:rgb(204,204,204);background-color:rgb(204,204,204)">

<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;;font-weight:n=
ormal;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal">
<div dir=3D"ltr">As others have said, the old laptop is probably running wi=
thin=C2=A0specs.=C2=A0 Wifi-BGN is going to peak throughput of about 38-40 =
mbps.=20
<div><br></div>
<div>The latest spec for Wifi (aka Wifi-6) is 802.11ax or just AX as a desi=
gnation to differentiate from the past &quot;livingroom&quot; standard of 8=
02.11ac.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Both of these are overkill for what you want/need, ac peaks at 3.5Gbps=
, and ax peaks at 9.6Gbps.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>The Toshiba you have also has a limit of 100 Mbps on the ethernet port=
 built in.=C2=A0 =C2=A0So, even if you went with a cheap &quot;hardwire sol=
ution&quot; and tried to connect a switch to the ethernet port on the Orbi,=
 you would still be limited to what the older laptop=C2=A0can manage.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>It&#39;s also possible that the version Orbi you have is only capable =
of 802.11ac, you don&#39;t mention which version you have, but they still s=
ell/support the older=C2=A0versions, and the price is rather steep for the =
latest versions</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Even if you were to replace/upgrade to a usb dongle wifi connection, i=
t would be limited to the speed of USB 2.0 and the older bus speeds in the =
Toshiba.=C2=A0 Also not sure that spending $35 on a wifi adapter is the bes=
t use of funds.... (e.g.=C2=A0 TP-Link AX1800 can plug into a standard USB =
a port, but the laptop would not be able to support the speeds.)</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>If you are on a budget, I would look at chromebooks as an option,=C2=
=A0</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>here&#39;s a not terrible option from Lenovo for $250 from the &#39;zo=
n:</div>
<div><a href=3D"https://a.co/d/am8aVRV" target=3D"_blank">https://a.co/d/am=
8aVRV</a></div>
<div><br></div>
<div>All that said, most of the world runs just fine on 20-30 Mbps.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>=C2=A0 --Miq<br>
<div><br></div>
<div><br></div></div></div><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div class=3D"gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Thu, Jan 2, 2025 at 10:34=E2=80=AF=
AM john niolon &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">jni=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"padding-left:1ex;border-left:1px=
 solid rgb(204,204,204);margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex">
<div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">I&#39;m trying to get better internet connecti=
vity in my detached garage/shop.=C2=A0 First tried hardwired cat-5 but it w=
as right at the limit for distance and slow and intermittent.=C2=A0 Next we=
nt with power line adapters and while they were consistent in connection...=
speed was still slower than I wanted...</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">This Christmas my s-I-l gave me a Orbi mesh sy=
stem and we installed it with no problem putting one satellite box IN the g=
arage and the master box sitting on top of my fiber modem hard wired to the=
 modem.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">I have 300mb fiber from ATT and the speed is g=
reat (350-375 MB)=C2=A0to hardwired pc and around 140 mb on ipad in the hou=
se or in the garage.=C2=A0 </font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">I have an older laptop I use in the shop (Tosh=
iba Satellite L875D-st210) which is my primary shop machine.=C2=A0 Best spe=
ed I can get is 30-40 mb.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">while the tablet sitting next to it is 140 mb+=
.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">I&#39;m wondering if the old laptop has a wire=
less card that is old and slower?=C2=A0 Everything I knew about computers i=
s old and obsolete after 20 years out of the business.=C2=A0 Can someone wi=
th current knowledge tell me if the problem is with an antiquated card in t=
he laptop and is there a way to get better wireless speed on the laptop?=C2=
=A0 or is that just the nature of wireless nowadays? BTW=C2=A0the laptop=C2=
=A0is running windows 7 with no options to run win 10.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">thanks</font></div>
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From: Mark Bradakis <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2025 04:58:54 -0700

I had to reread tje beginning of this, as I first thought it was about a 
problem with the Team Net connect6ion.  Glad it wasn't.  You see, I was 
hospitalized on Monday, Dec. 23rd.  Spent Christmas and New Year's 
yjere.  On Thursday, Jan. 2nd, I lef the hospital and wemnt straigh to a 
rehab center.  Stayed there for three weeks, getting released on 
Jan.24th.  All this time I had no access to the Team Net, but it seems 
to have kept on cjugging along without my fussing and fidgeting.  That's 
nice.

And I am on the mend again, unhappy about NO MORE ALCOHOL, or my liver 
will slap me silly until I die.  Not good.

But otherwise, I am doing fine, recovering nicely.

mjb.

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Mark,

Sorry to hear about the health issues.  I hope the mending goes well. 
FWIW, I'll try to remember you when I do drink and I'll have twice as much 
for you, brother!

Moose

From:   Mark Bradakis <[email-masked]>
To:     [email-masked]
Date:   02/02/2025 07:09 AM
Subject:        Re: [Shop-talk] shop internet connection
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<font size=2 face="sans-serif">Mark,</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
Sorry to hear about the health issues. &nbsp;I hope the mending goes well.
&nbsp;FWIW, I'll try to remember you when I do drink and I'll have twice
as much for you, brother!</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Moose</font>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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&nbsp;</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">Mark Bradakis &lt;[email-masked]&gt;</font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">To: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
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shop internet connection</font>
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<br>
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<br><tt><font size=2>I had to reread tje beginning of this, as I first
thought it was about a <br>
problem with the Team Net connect6ion. &nbsp;Glad it wasn't. &nbsp;You
see, I was <br>
hospitalized on Monday, Dec. 23rd. &nbsp;Spent Christmas and New Year's
<br>
yjere. &nbsp;On Thursday, Jan. 2nd, I lef the hospital and wemnt straigh
to a <br>
rehab center. &nbsp;Stayed there for three weeks, getting released on <br>
Jan.24th. &nbsp;All this time I had no access to the Team Net, but it seems
<br>
to have kept on cjugging along without my fussing and fidgeting. &nbsp;That's
<br>
nice.<br>
<br>
And I am on the mend again, unhappy about NO MORE ALCOHOL, or my liver
<br>
will slap me silly until I die. &nbsp;Not good.<br>
<br>
But otherwise, I am doing fine, recovering nicely.<br>
<br>
mjb.<br>
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Ugh.=C2=A0 That is some serious stuff.=C2=A0 With all the out-patient stuff=
 they are doing now that used to be an overnight or three-day stay, it take=
s something pretty serious to justify a week's stay.
It's good that you have a positive attitude as that is also important for a=
 speedy recovery.=C2=A0 And the fact that we didn't miss you points to what=
 an outstanding job you are doing the the lists.=C2=A0=C2=A0
Dave=20

=20

    On Sunday, February 2, 2025 at 06:09:37 AM CST, Mark Bradakis <mark@bra=
dakis.com> wrote:  =20

 I had to reread tje beginning of this, as I first thought it was about a=
=20
problem with the Team Net connect6ion.=C2=A0 Glad it wasn't.=C2=A0 You see,=
 I was=20
hospitalized on Monday, Dec. 23rd.=C2=A0 Spent Christmas and New Year's=20
yjere.=C2=A0 On Thursday, Jan. 2nd, I lef the hospital and wemnt straigh to=
 a=20
rehab center.=C2=A0 Stayed there for three weeks, getting released on=20
Jan.24th.=C2=A0 All this time I had no access to the Team Net, but it seems=
=20
to have kept on cjugging along without my fussing and fidgeting.=C2=A0 That=
's=20
nice.

And I am on the mend again, unhappy about NO MORE ALCOHOL, or my liver=20
will slap me silly until I die.=C2=A0 Not good.

mjb.

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                        On Sunday, February 2, 2025 at 06:09:37 AM CST, Mar=
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                <div><div dir=3D"ltr">I had to reread tje beginning of this=
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m Net connect6ion.&nbsp; Glad it wasn't.&nbsp; You see, I was <br clear=3D"=
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m on the mend again, unhappy about NO MORE ALCOHOL, or my liver <br clear=
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From: Douglas Shook <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2025 05:49:15 -0800

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Dear Mark,

Glad to hear that you are on the mend.The liver is one organ that can
rejuvenate itself, it is quite a wonderful thing.

I paused drinking alcohol for a month for a New Year's resolution. For the
first week or so it required a conscious effort as I needed to switch
beverages (I switched to Diet Coke first and then to carbonated water), I
had to occupy my time when I otherwise would be drinking,I had to change my
daily routines/habits, etc., but after a month I just decided to go another
month. That led to another month and it has now been 13 years since I
stopped drinking.

It was a very good lifestyle change for me. I dropped about 15 pounds, my
blood pressure dropped to 117/60, I have better balance, am clearer minded,
feel better in the mornings, and have saved a lot of money. ;-)

After a month or so, you probably will not even notice eliminating alcohol
from your life. Going to social events or parties or dinners where drinking
is the norm, ordering a Diet Coke or a sparkling water just became normal.

Early on, I actually kept track of the money I was saving by not drinking
and that helped me to feel better about it as well.At some point I then
went out and bought a new motorcycle with "the savings" as a reward. ;-)

Wishing you the best of health for a very long time.

Best,

doug

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Dea=
r Mark,</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></d=
iv><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Glad to hear that=
 you are on the mend.The liver is one organ that can rejuvenate itself, it =
is quite a wonderful thing.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font=
-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:smal=
l">I paused drinking=C2=A0alcohol for a month for a New Year&#39;s resoluti=
on. For the first week or so it required a conscious effort as I needed to =
switch beverages (I switched to Diet Coke first and then to carbonated wate=
r), I had to occupy my time when I otherwise would be drinking,I had to cha=
nge my daily routines/habits, etc., but after a month I just decided to go =
another month. That led to another month and it has now been 13 years since=
 I stopped drinking.=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-=
size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small=
">It was a very good lifestyle change for me. I dropped about 15 pounds, my=
 blood pressure dropped to 117/60, I have better balance, am clearer minded=
, feel better in the mornings, and have saved a lot of money. ;-)=C2=A0</di=
v><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">After a=C2=A0month or so, yo=
u probably=C2=A0will=C2=A0not even notice eliminating alcohol from your lif=
e. Going to social events or parties or dinners where drinking is the norm,=
 ordering a Diet Coke or a sparkling water just became normal.</div><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gma=
il_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Early on, I=C2=A0actually kept track =
of the money I was saving by not drinking and that helped me to feel better=
 about it as well.At some point I then went out and bought a new motorcycle=
 with &quot;the savings&quot; as a reward. ;-)=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gma=
il_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default=
" style=3D"font-size:small">Wishing you the best of health for a very long =
time.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div=
><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Best,</div><div cla=
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l_default" style=3D"font-size:small">doug</div><div class=3D"gmail_default"=
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container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Feb 2, 2025 at 4:1=
1=E2=80=AFAM Mark Bradakis &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">mark@br=
adakis.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding=
-left:1ex">I had to reread tje beginning of this, as I first thought it was=
 about a <br>
problem with the Team Net connect6ion.=C2=A0 Glad it wasn&#39;t.=C2=A0 You =
see, I was <br>
hospitalized on Monday, Dec. 23rd.=C2=A0 Spent Christmas and New Year&#39;s=
 <br>
yjere.=C2=A0 On Thursday, Jan. 2nd, I lef the hospital and wemnt straigh to=
 a <br>
rehab center.=C2=A0 Stayed there for three weeks, getting released on <br>
Jan.24th.=C2=A0 All this time I had no access to the Team Net, but it seems=
 <br>
to have kept on cjugging along without my fussing and fidgeting.=C2=A0 That=
&#39;s <br>
nice.<br>
<br>
And I am on the mend again, unhappy about NO MORE ALCOHOL, or my liver <br>
will slap me silly until I die.=C2=A0 Not good.<br>
<br>
But otherwise, I am doing fine, recovering nicely.<br>
<br>
mjb.<br>
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From: Pat Horne <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2025 08:16:21 -0600

Glad you’re on the mend. Recovery can be slow but just keep plodding. 

Peace, Pat

Pat Horne 
We support Habitat for Humanity

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I had to reread tje beginning of this, as I first thought it was about a problem with the Team Net connect6ion.  Glad it wasn't.  You see, I was hospitalized on Monday, Dec. 23rd.  Spent Christmas and New Year's yjere.  On Thursday, Jan. 2nd, I lef the hospital and wemnt straigh to a rehab center.  Stayed there for three weeks, getting released on Jan.24th.  All this time I had no access to the Team Net, but it seems to have kept on cjugging along without my fussing and fidgeting.  That's nice.

And I am on the mend again, unhappy about NO MORE ALCOHOL, or my liver will slap me silly until I die.  Not good.

mjb.

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From: Jim Franklin <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2025 10:01:55 -0500

Whoa, that's a crappy way to spend the holidays but it sounds like the better of the two outcomes (it would have sucked if the list went down ;-D). Glad to hear you're on the mend and I hope the new change comes easy for you. Alcohol has always been a big part of my life, more true today than ever ("I'm a wine guy now Lois") and I've had to monitor it, for instance I don't drink alone, ever. But I fully expect the day to come when I'm in your shoes. 

jim

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From: Mark Bradakis <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2025 09:06:48 -0700

> Mark,
  I'll try to remember you when I do drink and I'll have twice as
> much for you, brother!

Reminds me of the ancient joke about the guy who shows up at the bar, 
orders three beers, drinks them up and leaves.  Thw bartender tried to 
convince the guy they will be better if he ordered one at a time, tje 
second and third would be fresher.

"Oh no", he says, "I need all three at once.  You see, I have two 
brothers, we used to drink together.  But they are off to the war, I'm 
the only one in town.  So each week I drink with my brothers; so to speak."

The bartender is moved by the man's story.  And the man continues to 
come in, and order three beers.

Then one day the man shuffles in, steps up to the bar and orders two 
beers. The bartender is taken aback by the change.  He asks the guy if 
his brothers are okay, or did he lose one in the war?

"oh no, my brothers are fine.  Doctor told me I need to stop drinking. 
So no beer for me, but my brothers are doing fine.

mjb.  [I can hear the groans now...]

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