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To: "Shop Talk" Thread-Topic: Bad breaker? 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Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5775886137421577811== Content-Language: en-US boundary="_000_MN6PR14MB71978B6184A9391BC24439D4B4EB2MN6PR14MB7197namp_" --_000_MN6PR14MB71978B6184A9391BC24439D4B4EB2MN6PR14MB7197namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The breaker that controls my sink grinder's outlet seems to have failed. It= won't reset. It is simply a matter of replacing the breaker with a new one or might ther= e be another issue in the circuit? Near as I can tell that breaker only has= one outlet on it. (house was built in 1905 or so and still has active knob= and tube. ffs. And there are at least four breakers controlling our tiny k= itchen.) Also, the outlet is not GFI so I want to replace it but can't real= ly fit under the sink to do it. So, can I just replace the breaker or should I bite the bullet and call and= electrician? Thanks tim --_000_MN6PR14MB71978B6184A9391BC24439D4B4EB2MN6PR14MB7197namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The breaker that controls my sink grinder's outlet seems to have failed. It= won't reset. 

It is simply a matter of replacing the breaker with a new one or might ther= e be another issue in the circuit? Near as I can tell that breaker only has= one outlet on it. (house was built in 1905 or so and still has active knob= and tube. ffs. And there are at least four breakers controlling our tiny kitchen.) Also, the outlet is not= GFI so I want to replace it but can't really fit under the sink to do it.&= nbsp;

So, can I just replace the breaker or should I bite the bullet and call and= electrician?

Thanks
tim
--_000_MN6PR14MB71978B6184A9391BC24439D4B4EB2MN6PR14MB7197namp_-- --===============5775886137421577811== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============5775886137421577811==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 1 10:00:33 2025 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3F48A05DA for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2025 10:00:33 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from hognose1.porkbun.com (unknown [35.82.102.206]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D1C9A0262 for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2025 09:37:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtpclient.apple (pool-108-20-234-105.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [108.20.234.105]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by hognose1.porkbun.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3036C44ED7; Sat, 1 Feb 2025 16:36:40 +0000 (UTC) s=default; t=1738427802; bh=IHTvrVGda61ZljY3QM1a6DMGuYXUNzqpdcdMyWpmH4s=; h=From:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:Cc:To:References; b=IqgG+qKLfB022StvLb4ERPJBzI89ZdG82KcjCDkQNoBxt260expi5M5Q5TKDpxfc4 sgZb1PoYQOGIQiQSZVCb8GhUvWgKMsQ2Z7rm9X2SCBnvF2olC7UVfTQcqebi8Ss09X zoG4tuH9XzEG8elYMLdurfQP8oN5PpYE3tQTpHlQ= From: Jim Franklin Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2025 11:36:28 -0500 To: "Tim ." References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Bad breaker? Cc: Shop Talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1223623028081494712== boundary="Apple-Mail=_60FD95ED-005F-4784-8F15-E1E130D672BD" --Apple-Mail=_60FD95ED-005F-4784-8F15-E1E130D672BD Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=us-ascii If you shut off the breaker, confirm there is no voltage on the output = side of it, and test for continuity between the breaker output and = ground, you should get a good idea if the breaker is actually doing its = job, i.e. there's short somewhere. If you don't see continuity, it's an = unknown, in which case I'd replace it with a GFI breaker (since you want = to do that anyway) and see what happens.=20 jim > On Feb 1, 2025, at 11:03 AM, Tim . = wrote: >=20 > The breaker that controls my sink grinder's outlet seems to have = failed. It won't reset.=20 >=20 > It is simply a matter of replacing the breaker with a new one or might = there be another issue in the circuit? Near as I can tell that breaker = only has one outlet on it. (house was built in 1905 or so and still has = active knob and tube. ffs. And there are at least four breakers = controlling our tiny kitchen.) Also, the outlet is not GFI so I want to = replace it but can't really fit under the sink to do it.=20 >=20 > So, can I just replace the breaker or should I bite the bullet and = call and electrician? >=20 > Thanks > tim > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk = http://autox.team.net/archive >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jamesf@groupwbench.org --Apple-Mail=_60FD95ED-005F-4784-8F15-E1E130D672BD Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=us-ascii If you shut = off the breaker, confirm there is no voltage on the output side of it, = and test for continuity between the breaker output and ground, you = should get a good idea if the breaker is actually doing its job, i.e. = there's short somewhere. If you don't see continuity, it's an unknown, = in which case I'd replace it with a GFI breaker (since you want to do = that anyway) and see what = happens. 

jim

On Feb 1, 2025, at 11:03 AM, Tim . = <tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com> wrote:

The = breaker that controls my sink grinder's outlet seems to have failed. It = won't reset. 

It is simply a matter = of replacing the breaker with a new one or might there be another issue = in the circuit? Near as I can tell that breaker only has one outlet on = it. (house was built in 1905 or so and still has active knob and tube. = ffs. And there are at least four breakers controlling our tiny kitchen.) = Also, the outlet is not GFI so I want to replace it but can't really fit = under the sink to do it. 

So, = can I just replace the breaker or should I bite the bullet and call and = electrician?

Thanks
tim
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Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============7073423009420462489== Content-Language: en-US boundary="_000_MN6PR14MB71975B185BC21F8B5C20C77AB4EB2MN6PR14MB7197namp_" --_000_MN6PR14MB71975B185BC21F8B5C20C77AB4EB2MN6PR14MB7197namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I did but mainly to make sure it wasn't the grinder (which worked fine when= plugged into an extension cord. And, to be clear, I wasn't asking about replacing the breaker with a GFI (b= ut I will), I was wondering about replacing the outlet with GFI. Thanks guys ________________________________ From: Gene Garrison Sent: Saturday, February 1, 2025 11:01 AM To: Tim . Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Bad breaker? Probably an obvious question, but did you unplug the grinder to make sure i= t's not just continuing to trip the breaker? - GeneG On 2/1/25 8:03 AM, Tim . wrote: The breaker that controls my sink grinder's outlet seems to have failed. It= won't reset. It is simply a matter of replacing the breaker with a new one or might ther= e be another issue in the circuit? Near as I can tell that breaker only has= one outlet on it. (house was built in 1905 or so and still has active knob= and tube. ffs. And there are at least four breakers controlling our tiny k= itchen.) Also, the outlet is not GFI so I want to replace it but can't real= ly fit under the sink to do it. So, can I just replace the breaker or should I bite the bullet and call and= electrician? Thanks tim _______________________________________________ Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arch= ive rrison-grafixx.com --_000_MN6PR14MB71975B185BC21F8B5C20C77AB4EB2MN6PR14MB7197namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I did but mainly to make sure it wasn't the grinder (which worked fine when= plugged into an extension cord. 

And, to be clear, I wasn't asking about replacing the breaker with a GFI (b= ut I will), I was wondering about replacing the outlet with GFI. 

Thanks guys


From: Gene G= arrison <gene@garrison-grafixx.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 1, 2025 11:01 AM
To: Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Bad breaker?
 

Probably an obvious quest= ion, but did you unplug the grinder to make sure it's not just continuing t= o trip the breaker?


- GeneG



On 2/1/25 8:03 AM, Tim . wrote:
The breaker that controls my sink grinder's outlet seems to have failed. It= won't reset. 

It is simply a matter of replacing the breaker with a new one or might ther= e be another issue in the circuit? Near as I can tell that breaker only has= one outlet on it. (house was built in 1905 or so and still has active knob= and tube. ffs. And there are at least four breakers controlling our tiny kitchen.) Also, the outlet is not= GFI so I want to replace it but can't really fit under the sink to do it.&= nbsp;

So, can I just replace the breaker or should I bite the bullet and call and= electrician?

Thanks
tim

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Tim,

Are you sure the problem isn't= the disposal? If it's on a plug instead of being hardwired use a short= 12 gauge extension cord to plug it into a plug on a different breaker. I= 9;d also plug something into the plug under the sink to make sure the circu= it is OK. If there isn't a plug under the sink, I'd suggest adding = one while you're sorting this all out.=C2=A0

I= have a Klein 80016 Circuit Tester that's been invaluable for testing e= lectrics. It's not super cheap around=C2=A0$55 for the whole kit but I = use it, at least the plug tester, frequently. You should=C2=A0have a plug t= ester at the very least. As far as doing any work other=C2=A0than testing, = you'll have to decide. Pushing 78, I do little, if any work that calls = for me=C2=A0to get down on the floor or/and into tight spaces unless I abso= lutely have to!=C2=A0

HTH,
Ron

On Sat, Feb 1, 2025 at 10:20=E2=80=AFAM Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com= > wrote:
The breaker that controls my sink grinder's outlet seems to have failed= . It won't reset.=C2=A0

It is simply a matter of replacing the breaker with a new one or might ther= e be another issue in the circuit? Near as I can tell that breaker only has= one outlet on it. (house was built in 1905 or so and still has active knob= and tube. ffs. And there are at least four breakers controlling our tiny kitchen.) Also, the outlet is not= GFI so I want to replace it but can't really fit under the sink to do = it.=C2=A0

So, can I just replace the breaker or should I bite the bullet and call and= electrician?

Thanks
tim
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On Sat, Feb 1, 2025, 12:08 Jim F= ranklin <jamesf@groupwbench.or= g> wrote:
If you shut off the breaker, confirm there is no = voltage on the output side of it, and test for continuity between the break= er output and ground,=C2=A0

You would want to have the grinder disconnecte= d and the kitchen switch on to properly test for a short, I think.

Does it snap off, or just sort o= f not latch on?=C2=A0=C2=A0
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The fly in the ointment is the k&t wiring.  Will a GFI or AFI breaker work reliably with k&t?

J


On 2/1/25 11:36, Jim Franklin wrote:
If you shut off the breaker, confirm there is no voltage on the output side of it, and test for continuity between the breaker output and ground, you should get a good idea if the breaker is actually doing its job, i.e. there's short somewhere. If you don't see continuity, it's an unknown, in which case I'd replace it with a GFI breaker (since you want to do that anyway) and see what happens. 

jim

On Feb 1, 2025, at 11:03 AM, Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com> wrote:

The breaker that controls my sink grinder's outlet seems to have failed. It won't reset. 

It is simply a matter of replacing the breaker with a new one or might there be another issue in the circuit? Near as I can tell that breaker only has one outlet on it. (house was built in 1905 or so and still has active knob and tube. ffs. And there are at least four breakers controlling our tiny kitchen.) Also, the outlet is not GFI so I want to replace it but can't really fit under the sink to do it. 

So, can I just replace the breaker or should I bite the bullet and call and electrician?

Thanks
tim
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Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0730273168427335346== --00000000000034f964062d19c5d3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I could misunderstand the situation, but if B&T is in place, there would be no ground at the sink for the GFI to work unless you ran a separate ground to the cold water supply line or something similar assuming it is grounded. On Sat, Feb 1, 2025 at 10:56=E2=80=AFAM Jimmie Mayfield < mayfield+shoptalk@sackheads.org> wrote: > The fly in the ointment is the k&t wiring. Will a GFI or AFI breaker wor= k > reliably with k&t? > > J > > > On 2/1/25 11:36, Jim Franklin wrote: > > If you shut off the breaker, confirm there is no voltage on the output > side of it, and test for continuity between the breaker output and ground= , > you should get a good idea if the breaker is actually doing its job, i.e. > there's short somewhere. If you don't see continuity, it's an unknown, in > which case I'd replace it with a GFI breaker (since you want to do that > anyway) and see what happens. > > jim > > On Feb 1, 2025, at 11:03 AM, Tim . > wrote: > > The breaker that controls my sink grinder's outlet seems to have failed. > It won't reset. > > It is simply a matter of replacing the breaker with a new one or might > there be another issue in the circuit? Near as I can tell that breaker on= ly > has one outlet on it. (house was built in 1905 or so and still has active > knob and tube. ffs. And there are at least four breakers controlling our > tiny kitchen.) Also, the outlet is not GFI so I want to replace it but > can't really fit under the sink to do it. > > So, can I just replace the breaker or should I bite the bullet and call > and electrician? > > Thanks > tim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jamesf@groupwbench.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/ar= chive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mayfi= eld+shoptalk@sackheads.org > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard@gmail.com > > --00000000000034f964062d19c5d3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I c= ould misunderstand the situation, but if B&T is in place, there would b= e no ground at the sink for the GFI to work unless you ran a separate groun= d to the cold water supply line or something similar assuming it is grounde= d.

On Sat, Feb 1, 2025 at 10:56=E2=80=AFAM Jimmi= e Mayfield <mayfiel= d+shoptalk@sackheads.org> wrote:
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The fly in the ointment is the k&t wiring.=C2=A0 Will a GFI or AFI breaker work reliably with k&t?

J


On 2/1/25 11:36, Jim Franklin wrote:
=20 If you shut off the breaker, confirm there is no voltage on the output side of it, and test for continuity between the breaker output and ground, you should get a good idea if the breaker is actually doing its job, i.e. there's short somewhere. If you don&= #39;t see continuity, it's an unknown, in which case I'd replace it= with a GFI breaker (since you want to do that anyway) and see what happens.=C2=A0

jim

On Feb 1, 2025, at 11:03 AM, Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com> wrote:

=20
The breaker that controls my sink grinder's outlet seems to have failed. It won't reset.=C2=A0

It is simply a matter of replacing the breaker with a new one or might there be another issue in the circuit? Near as I can tell that breaker only has one outlet on it. (house was built in 1905 or so and still has active knob and tube. ffs. And there are at least four breakers controlling our tiny kitchen.) Also, the outlet is not GFI so I want to replace it but can't really fit under the sink to do it.=C2=A0

So, can I just replace the breaker or should I bite the bullet and call and electrician?

Thanks
tim
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On Feb 1, 2025, at 2:10=E2=80=AFPM, Douglas Shook <di= rtbeard@gmail.com> wrote:

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I could misu= nderstand the situation, but if B&T is in place, there would be no groun= d at the sink for the GFI to work unless you ran a separate ground to the co= ld water supply line or something similar assuming it is grounded.

On Sat, Feb 1, 2025 at 10:56=E2=80=AFAM Jimmie Mayfield <= ;mayfield+shoptalk@sack= heads.org> wrote:
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The fly in the ointment is the k&t wiring.  Will a GFI or AFI breaker work reliably with k&t?

J


On 2/1/25 11:36, Jim Franklin wrote:
=20 If you shut off the breaker, confirm there is no voltage on the output side of it, and test for continuity between the breaker output and ground, you should get a good idea if the breaker is actually doing its job, i.e. there's short somewhere. If you don't see continuity, it's an unknown, in which case I'd replace it with a GFI breaker (since you want to do that anyway) and see what happens. 

jim

On Feb 1, 2025, at 11:03 AM, Tim . <tims_datsun_stuff@outlook.com> wrote:

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The breaker that controls my sink grinder's outlet seems to have failed. It won't reset. 

It is simply a matter of replacing the breaker with a new one or might there be another issue in the circuit? Near as I can tell that breaker only has one outlet on it. (house was built in 1905 or so and still has active knob and tube. ffs. And there are at least four breakers controlling our tiny kitchen.) Also, the outlet is not GFI so I want to replace it but can't really fit under the sink to do it. 

So, can I just replace the breaker or should I bite the bullet and call and electrician?

Thanks
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= --Apple-Mail-47F8CDF4-B8DB-4889-B8C6-ED207662F6D1-- --===============8992243542781625236== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============8992243542781625236==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sat Feb 1 19:06:27 2025 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5518BA069A for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2025 19:06:27 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from ms11p00im-qufo17291701.me.com (unknown [17.58.38.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB99AA0362 for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2025 18:39:52 -0700 (MST) s=1a1hai; bh=29AW4XfecMEWYuTWjoI74QrVfUgBlR6mgQLmRKtI4Cw=; h=Content-Type:From:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To:x-icloud-hme; b=aY8xQeukrIjL1denu2GHyXAD/IijTNFQwlnZNQPL22xhivpjgEb1ox0L5br0YPxng a3ZwkYsPs8JcgH9xSmrnfGU4hGIUrW907L2EMpXjt4C3ow7K15VpBVH2FTesmRv08G NHk/M5xT304BJLrChUqnm+u6XxgHuesEdgudJ9AteU/psvnMnJmDCZHbYTMZBwQyNf PHRyzLmFV3lddKTNXyEO1krx0sVdW0i/qsH72It9vMopsXQ9rBASGkErpZRUPht1mu K3F4DePdSRTENxCMC4xQTvQijmfleUXhBBj+lWpiXfRPCI8yx5pnMyO/5lVlYKzqtD yboXWbIWwjdKA== Received: from smtpclient.apple (ms11p00im-dlb-asmtpmailmevip.me.com [17.57.154.19]) by ms11p00im-qufo17291701.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B06C16800C8; Sun, 2 Feb 2025 01:39:20 +0000 (UTC) From: Pat Horne Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2025 19:39:09 -0600 References: To: Jeff Scarbrough spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 malwarescore=0 adultscore=0 mlxscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.19.0-2308100000 definitions=main-2502020012 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Bad breaker? Cc: Shop Talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============6745999684369124113== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-CC30BB40-5EBC-4358-ADA9-F1A30FC7E9C0 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You could also remove the wire from the bre= aker & see if it will reset. 

If you decide to c= heck for continuity from the breaker to the low side, be sure to unplug the g= rinder first. 

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If you sh= ut off the breaker, confirm there is no voltage on the output side of it, an= d test for continuity between the breaker output and ground, 

You would= want to have the grinder disconnected and the kitchen switch on to properly= test for a short, I think.

Does it snap off, or just sort of not latch on?  
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Windows 7 is very susceptible to nefarious behaviors, with many never-to-be-patched issues. As a last resort with this machine, you could try a lightweight Linux distribution on that machine, but verify hardware support before you dive in with both feet. Check out https://swappa.com for good used options. Be certain to get a CPU that is supported by Windows 11. What do you need this machine to do? I am leery of the very inexpensive mini-PCs, as I'm not highly trusting of their manufacturers. I'd stick with a recent-generation Intel NUC if I were to go that route. -Peter On Thu, Jan 2, 2025 at 6:34=E2=80=AFPM john niolon wrote: > well that is an unusual development... moved the laptop to sit right next > to the Orbi modem > five speedtest gave me 25-30 mb download and a little less upload with > latency around45 ms > > took it back to the shop sitting next to the satellite and got 50-60 mb > down and 40-=3D50 up with less latency > > so I'm assuming it's just my old slow laptop as ya'll say...just like me > old and slow > > My Orbi is a model RBR10 app version2.42.0.56 > > firmware version v2.7.3.22 > > I've started looking online for refurbed units... I've been using a > refurbed DELL Optiflex 990 for several years with no problems > they are getting cheaper every day... and I've got room for a small form > factor and monitor in the shop... might just go that way > > if ya'll have any suggestions on the refurbs... I'm all ears > > thanks for all the input > john > > *----- Original Message -----* > *From:* MIQ MILLMAN > *To:* john niolon > *Cc:* shop-talk > *Sent:* 1/2/2025 3:26:21 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] shop internet connection > ------------------------------ > As others have said, the old laptop is probably running within specs. > Wifi-BGN is going to peak throughput of about 38-40 mbps. > > The latest spec for Wifi (aka Wifi-6) is 802.11ax or just AX as a > designation to differentiate from the past "livingroom" standard of > 802.11ac. > > Both of these are overkill for what you want/need, ac peaks at 3.5Gbps, > and ax peaks at 9.6Gbps. > > The Toshiba you have also has a limit of 100 Mbps on the ethernet port > built in. So, even if you went with a cheap "hardwire solution" and tri= ed > to connect a switch to the ethernet port on the Orbi, you would still be > limited to what the older laptop can manage. > > It's also possible that the version Orbi you have is only capable of > 802.11ac, you don't mention which version you have, but they still > sell/support the older versions, and the price is rather steep for the > latest versions > > Even if you were to replace/upgrade to a usb dongle wifi connection, it > would be limited to the speed of USB 2.0 and the older bus speeds in the > Toshiba. Also not sure that spending $35 on a wifi adapter is the best u= se > of funds.... (e.g. TP-Link AX1800 can plug into a standard USB a port, b= ut > the laptop would not be able to support the speeds.) > > If you are on a budget, I would look at chromebooks as an option, > > here's a not terrible option from Lenovo for $250 from the 'zon: > https://a.co/d/am8aVRV > > All that said, most of the world runs just fine on 20-30 Mbps. > > --Miq > > > > On Thu, Jan 2, 2025 at 10:34=E2=80=AFAM john niolon wro= te: > >> I'm trying to get better internet connectivity in my detached >> garage/shop. First tried hardwired cat-5 but it was right at the limit = for >> distance and slow and intermittent. Next went with power line adapters = and >> while they were consistent in connection...speed was still slower than I >> wanted... >> >> This Christmas my s-I-l gave me a Orbi mesh system and we installed it >> with no problem putting one satellite box IN the garage and the master b= ox >> sitting on top of my fiber modem hard wired to the modem. >> >> I have 300mb fiber from ATT and the speed is great (350-375 MB) to >> hardwired pc and around 140 mb on ipad in the house or in the garage. >> I have an older laptop I use in the shop (Toshiba Satellite L875D-st210) >> which is my primary shop machine. Best speed I can get is 30-40 mb. >> while the tablet sitting next to it is 140 mb+. >> >> I'm wondering if the old laptop has a wireless card that is old and >> slower? Everything I knew about computers is old and obsolete after 20 >> years out of the business. Can someone with current knowledge tell me i= f >> the problem is with an antiquated card in the laptop and is there a way = to >> get better wireless speed on the laptop? or is that just the nature of >> wireless nowadays? BTW the laptop is running windows 7 with no options t= o >> run win 10. >> >> >> thanks >> John >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/miq@bigllama.com >> >> _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/peterwmurray@gmail.com > > --000000000000642cc2062d20c23f Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'll add to the list of folks recommending the replace= ment of this laptop. Windows 7 is very susceptible to nefarious behaviors, = with many never-to-be-patched issues. As a last=C2=A0resort with this machi= ne, you could try a lightweight Linux distribution on that machine, but ver= ify hardware support before you dive in with both feet.

= Check out https://swappa.com for good us= ed options. Be certain to get a CPU that is supported by Windows 11. What d= o you need this machine to do? I am leery of the very inexpensive mini-PCs,= as I'm not highly trusting of their manufacturers. I'd stick with = a recent-generation Intel NUC if I were to go that route.

-Peter

On Thu, Jan 2, 2025 at 6:34=E2=80= =AFPM john niolon <jniolon@att.net> wrote:
well that is an unusual development... moved t= he laptop to sit right next to the Orbi modem
five speedtest gave me 25-30 mb download and a= little less upload with latency around45 ms
=C2=A0
took it back to the shop sitting next to the s= atellite and got 50-60 mb down and 40-=3D50 up with less latency
=C2=A0
so I'm assuming it's just my old slow = laptop as ya'll say...just like me=C2=A0 old and slow
=C2=A0
My Orbi is a model RBR10=C2=A0=C2=A0 app versi= on2.42.0.56
=C2=A0
firmware version v2.7.3.22
=C2=A0
I've started looking online for refurbed u= nits... I've been using a refurbed DELL Optiflex 990 for several years = with no problems
they are getting cheaper every day... and I= 9;ve got room for a small form factor and monitor in the shop... might just= go that way
=C2=A0
if ya'll have any suggestions on the refur= bs... I'm all ears
=C2=A0
=C2=A0=C2=A0 thanks for all the input
john
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To: john niolon <jniolon@att.net>
Cc: shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Sent: 1/2/2025 3:26:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] shop internet connection
As others have said, the old laptop is probably running wi= thin=C2=A0specs.=C2=A0 Wifi-BGN is going to peak throughput of about 38-40 = mbps.=20

The latest spec for Wifi (aka Wifi-6) is 802.11ax or just AX as a desi= gnation to differentiate from the past "livingroom" standard of 8= 02.11ac.

Both of these are overkill for what you want/need, ac peaks at 3.5Gbps= , and ax peaks at 9.6Gbps.

The Toshiba you have also has a limit of 100 Mbps on the ethernet port= built in.=C2=A0 =C2=A0So, even if you went with a cheap "hardwire sol= ution" and tried to connect a switch to the ethernet port on the Orbi,= you would still be limited to what the older laptop=C2=A0can manage.

It's also possible that the version Orbi you have is only capable = of 802.11ac, you don't mention which version you have, but they still s= ell/support the older=C2=A0versions, and the price is rather steep for the = latest versions

Even if you were to replace/upgrade to a usb dongle wifi connection, i= t would be limited to the speed of USB 2.0 and the older bus speeds in the = Toshiba.=C2=A0 Also not sure that spending $35 on a wifi adapter is the bes= t use of funds.... (e.g.=C2=A0 TP-Link AX1800 can plug into a standard USB = a port, but the laptop would not be able to support the speeds.)

If you are on a budget, I would look at chromebooks as an option,=C2= =A0

here's a not terrible option from Lenovo for $250 from the 'zo= n:

All that said, most of the world runs just fine on 20-30 Mbps.

=C2=A0 --Miq



On Thu, Jan 2, 2025 at 10:34=E2=80=AF= AM john niolon <jni= olon@att.net> wrote:
I'm trying to get better internet connecti= vity in my detached garage/shop.=C2=A0 First tried hardwired cat-5 but it w= as right at the limit for distance and slow and intermittent.=C2=A0 Next we= nt with power line adapters and while they were consistent in connection...= speed was still slower than I wanted...
=C2=A0
This Christmas my s-I-l gave me a Orbi mesh sy= stem and we installed it with no problem putting one satellite box IN the g= arage and the master box sitting on top of my fiber modem hard wired to the= modem.
=C2=A0
I have 300mb fiber from ATT and the speed is g= reat (350-375 MB)=C2=A0to hardwired pc and around 140 mb on ipad in the hou= se or in the garage.=C2=A0
I have an older laptop I use in the shop (Tosh= iba Satellite L875D-st210) which is my primary shop machine.=C2=A0 Best spe= ed I can get is 30-40 mb.
while the tablet sitting next to it is 140 mb+= .
=C2=A0
I'm wondering if the old laptop has a wire= less card that is old and slower?=C2=A0 Everything I knew about computers i= s old and obsolete after 20 years out of the business.=C2=A0 Can someone wi= th current knowledge tell me if the problem is with an antiquated card in t= he laptop and is there a way to get better wireless speed on the laptop?=C2= =A0 or is that just the nature of wireless nowadays? BTW=C2=A0the laptop=C2= =A0is running windows 7 with no options to run win 10.
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
thanks
John
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--000000000000642cc2062d20c23f-- --===============0510308384092206630== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============0510308384092206630==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 2 05:08:03 2025 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D93C9A02BB for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2025 05:08:03 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (unknown [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4AE8A06C1 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2025 04:59:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from [50.198.190.18] (bradakis [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0511F36728F for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2025 04:58:55 -0700 (MST) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2025 04:58:54 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <1UkEP1NYp6.9VTOHbwxRun.ref@johns-desktop> <1UkEP1NYp6.9VTOHbwxRun@johns-desktop> <1UkEP5Ov13.CvVMa6acrk@johns-desktop> Content-Language: en-US From: Mark Bradakis Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] shop internet connection Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I had to reread tje beginning of this, as I first thought it was about a problem with the Team Net connect6ion. Glad it wasn't. You see, I was hospitalized on Monday, Dec. 23rd. Spent Christmas and New Year's yjere. On Thursday, Jan. 2nd, I lef the hospital and wemnt straigh to a rehab center. Stayed there for three weeks, getting released on Jan.24th. All this time I had no access to the Team Net, but it seems to have kept on cjugging along without my fussing and fidgeting. That's nice. And I am on the mend again, unhappy about NO MORE ALCOHOL, or my liver will slap me silly until I die. Not good. But otherwise, I am doing fine, recovering nicely. mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 2 06:01:04 2025 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A5D9A07CE for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2025 06:01:04 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from Deep13.mail.Megageek.com (unknown [34.199.103.79]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58169A0619 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2025 05:56:30 -0700 (MST) References: <1UkEP1NYp6.9VTOHbwxRun.ref@johns-desktop> <1UkEP1NYp6.9VTOHbwxRun@johns-desktop> <1UkEP5Ov13.CvVMa6acrk@johns-desktop> <77bbca93-a1d4-4e75-9210-cc6b55ddb993@bradakis.com> To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net type=4; name=$KeepSent From: eric@megageek.com Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2025 07:55:59 -0500 02/02/2025 07:56:00 AM, Serialize complete at 02/02/2025 07:56:00 AM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] shop internet connection Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============4816594157668062626== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 00470AE185258C25_= Mark, Sorry to hear about the health issues. I hope the mending goes well. FWIW, I'll try to remember you when I do drink and I'll have twice as much for you, brother! Moose From: Mark Bradakis To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Date: 02/02/2025 07:09 AM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] shop internet connection Sent by: "Shop-talk" I had to reread tje beginning of this, as I first thought it was about a problem with the Team Net connect6ion. Glad it wasn't. You see, I was hospitalized on Monday, Dec. 23rd. Spent Christmas and New Year's yjere. On Thursday, Jan. 2nd, I lef the hospital and wemnt straigh to a rehab center. Stayed there for three weeks, getting released on Jan.24th. All this time I had no access to the Team Net, but it seems to have kept on cjugging along without my fussing and fidgeting. That's nice. And I am on the mend again, unhappy about NO MORE ALCOHOL, or my liver will slap me silly until I die. Not good. But otherwise, I am doing fine, recovering nicely. mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eric@megageek.com --=_alternative 00470AE185258C25_= Mark,

Sorry to hear about the health issues.  I hope the mending goes well.  FWIW, I'll try to remember you when I do drink and I'll have twice as much for you, brother!

Moose



From:        Mark Bradakis <mark@bradakis.com>
To:        shop-talk@autox.team.net
Date:        02/02/2025 07:09 AM
Subject:        Re: [Shop-talk] shop internet connection
Sent by:        "Shop-talk" <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net>



I had to reread tje beginning of this, as I first thought it was about a
problem with the Team Net connect6ion.  Glad it wasn't.  You see, I was
hospitalized on Monday, Dec. 23rd.  Spent Christmas and New Year's
yjere.  On Thursday, Jan. 2nd, I lef the hospital and wemnt straigh to a
rehab center.  Stayed there for three weeks, getting released on
Jan.24th.  All this time I had no access to the Team Net, but it seems
to have kept on cjugging along without my fussing and fidgeting.  That's
nice.

And I am on the mend again, unhappy about NO MORE ALCOHOL, or my liver
will slap me silly until I die.  Not good.

But otherwise, I am doing fine, recovering nicely.

mjb.

_______________________________________________

Shop-talk@autox.team.net
Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive
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It's good that you have a positive attitude as that is also important for a= speedy recovery.=C2=A0 And the fact that we didn't miss you points to what= an outstanding job you are doing the the lists.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Dave=20 =20 On Sunday, February 2, 2025 at 06:09:37 AM CST, Mark Bradakis wrote: =20 I had to reread tje beginning of this, as I first thought it was about a= =20 problem with the Team Net connect6ion.=C2=A0 Glad it wasn't.=C2=A0 You see,= I was=20 hospitalized on Monday, Dec. 23rd.=C2=A0 Spent Christmas and New Year's=20 yjere.=C2=A0 On Thursday, Jan. 2nd, I lef the hospital and wemnt straigh to= a=20 rehab center.=C2=A0 Stayed there for three weeks, getting released on=20 Jan.24th.=C2=A0 All this time I had no access to the Team Net, but it seems= =20 to have kept on cjugging along without my fussing and fidgeting.=C2=A0 That= 's=20 nice. And I am on the mend again, unhappy about NO MORE ALCOHOL, or my liver=20 will slap me silly until I die.=C2=A0 Not good. But otherwise, I am doing fine, recovering nicely. mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arch= ive ssey@cs.com =20 ------=_Part_7403582_2081604998.1738501818621 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ugh.  That is some serious stuff. = With all the out-patient stuff they are doing now that used to be an overn= ight or three-day stay, it takes something pretty serious to justify a week= 's stay.

It's good that you have a positive attitude as t= hat is also important for a speedy recovery.  And the fact that we did= n't miss you points to what an outstanding job you are doing the the lists.=   

Dave

=


=20
=20
On Sunday, February 2, 2025 at 06:09:37 AM CST, Mar= k Bradakis <mark@bradakis.com> wrote:


I had to reread tje beginning of this= , as I first thought it was about a
problem with the Tea= m Net connect6ion.  Glad it wasn't.  You see, I was
hospitalized on Monday, Dec. 23rd.  Spent Christmas and New Year= 's
yjere.  On Thursday, Jan. 2nd, I lef the hospita= l and wemnt straigh to a
rehab center.  Stayed ther= e for three weeks, getting released on
Jan.24th.  A= ll this time I had no access to the Team Net, but it seems
to have kept on cjugging along without my fussing and fidgeting.  T= hat's
nice.

And I a= m on the mend again, unhappy about NO MORE ALCOHOL, or my liver
will slap me silly until I die.  Not good.

But otherwise, I am doing fine, recovering nicely.

mjb.
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I paused drinking alcohol for a month for a New Year's resolution. For the first week or so it required a conscious effort as I needed to switch beverages (I switched to Diet Coke first and then to carbonated water), I had to occupy my time when I otherwise would be drinking,I had to change my daily routines/habits, etc., but after a month I just decided to go another month. That led to another month and it has now been 13 years since I stopped drinking. It was a very good lifestyle change for me. I dropped about 15 pounds, my blood pressure dropped to 117/60, I have better balance, am clearer minded, feel better in the mornings, and have saved a lot of money. ;-) After a month or so, you probably will not even notice eliminating alcohol from your life. Going to social events or parties or dinners where drinking is the norm, ordering a Diet Coke or a sparkling water just became normal. Early on, I actually kept track of the money I was saving by not drinking and that helped me to feel better about it as well.At some point I then went out and bought a new motorcycle with "the savings" as a reward. ;-) Wishing you the best of health for a very long time. Best, doug On Sun, Feb 2, 2025 at 4:11=E2=80=AFAM Mark Bradakis wr= ote: > I had to reread tje beginning of this, as I first thought it was about a > problem with the Team Net connect6ion. Glad it wasn't. You see, I was > hospitalized on Monday, Dec. 23rd. Spent Christmas and New Year's > yjere. On Thursday, Jan. 2nd, I lef the hospital and wemnt straigh to a > rehab center. Stayed there for three weeks, getting released on > Jan.24th. All this time I had no access to the Team Net, but it seems > to have kept on cjugging along without my fussing and fidgeting. That's > nice. > > And I am on the mend again, unhappy about NO MORE ALCOHOL, or my liver > will slap me silly until I die. Not good. > > But otherwise, I am doing fine, recovering nicely. > > mjb. > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard@gmail.com > > --00000000000056b193062d290b4d Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dea= r Mark,

Glad to hear that= you are on the mend.The liver is one organ that can rejuvenate itself, it = is quite a wonderful thing.

I paused drinking=C2=A0alcohol for a month for a New Year's resoluti= on. For the first week or so it required a conscious effort as I needed to = switch beverages (I switched to Diet Coke first and then to carbonated wate= r), I had to occupy my time when I otherwise would be drinking,I had to cha= nge my daily routines/habits, etc., but after a month I just decided to go = another month. That led to another month and it has now been 13 years since= I stopped drinking.=C2=A0

It was a very good lifestyle change for me. I dropped about 15 pounds, my= blood pressure dropped to 117/60, I have better balance, am clearer minded= , feel better in the mornings, and have saved a lot of money. ;-)=C2=A0

After a=C2=A0month or so, yo= u probably=C2=A0will=C2=A0not even notice eliminating alcohol from your lif= e. Going to social events or parties or dinners where drinking is the norm,= ordering a Diet Coke or a sparkling water just became normal.

Early on, I=C2=A0actually kept track = of the money I was saving by not drinking and that helped me to feel better= about it as well.At some point I then went out and bought a new motorcycle= with "the savings" as a reward. ;-)=C2=A0

Wishing you the best of health for a very long = time.

Best,

doug



On Sun, Feb 2, 2025 at 4:1= 1=E2=80=AFAM Mark Bradakis <mark@br= adakis.com> wrote:
I had to reread tje beginning of this, as I first thought it was= about a
problem with the Team Net connect6ion.=C2=A0 Glad it wasn't.=C2=A0 You = see, I was
hospitalized on Monday, Dec. 23rd.=C2=A0 Spent Christmas and New Year's=
yjere.=C2=A0 On Thursday, Jan. 2nd, I lef the hospital and wemnt straigh to= a
rehab center.=C2=A0 Stayed there for three weeks, getting released on
Jan.24th.=C2=A0 All this time I had no access to the Team Net, but it seems=
to have kept on cjugging along without my fussing and fidgeting.=C2=A0 That= 's
nice.

And I am on the mend again, unhappy about NO MORE ALCOHOL, or my liver
will slap me silly until I die.=C2=A0 Not good.

But otherwise, I am doing fine, recovering nicely.

mjb.

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Sun, 2 Feb 2025 08:13:15 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from hognose1.porkbun.com (unknown [35.82.102.206]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 266D3A02CA for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2025 08:02:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from smtpclient.apple (pool-108-20-234-105.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [108.20.234.105]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: jamesf@groupwbench.org) by hognose1.porkbun.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A26EE44FA2; Sun, 2 Feb 2025 15:02:06 +0000 (UTC) s=default; t=1738508529; bh=lspsTw7IHst62SmV+P3ZgtjsCEjHOcFWFbvXqJfsKbk=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=hkccq5R0TZRBByI2HKj8IJzSUvgDt1bikBbq1SDMi8bbUIlRVKlUbR7VQ5nHC8k0J v/psQpocrWWuN3eQ+VMWoPa/hjAR8vflKkedu3VcmPfftDRaCQk9A/5JOLERszi29k vyXzw9O7KyzDvs7Ky4PpBQ3VBiHG6ni3/fzqmMLw= From: Jim Franklin Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2025 10:01:55 -0500 References: <1UkEP1NYp6.9VTOHbwxRun.ref@johns-desktop> <1UkEP1NYp6.9VTOHbwxRun@johns-desktop> <1UkEP5Ov13.CvVMa6acrk@johns-desktop> <77bbca93-a1d4-4e75-9210-cc6b55ddb993@bradakis.com> To: Mark Bradakis Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] shop internet connection Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Whoa, that's a crappy way to spend the holidays but it sounds like the better of the two outcomes (it would have sucked if the list went down ;-D). Glad to hear you're on the mend and I hope the new change comes easy for you. Alcohol has always been a big part of my life, more true today than ever ("I'm a wine guy now Lois") and I've had to monitor it, for instance I don't drink alone, ever. But I fully expect the day to come when I'm in your shoes. jim > On Feb 2, 2025, at 6:58 AM, Mark Bradakis wrote: > > I had to reread tje beginning of this, as I first thought it was about a problem with the Team Net connect6ion. Glad it wasn't. You see, I was hospitalized on Monday, Dec. 23rd. Spent Christmas and New Year's yjere. On Thursday, Jan. 2nd, I lef the hospital and wemnt straigh to a rehab center. Stayed there for three weeks, getting released on Jan.24th. All this time I had no access to the Team Net, but it seems to have kept on cjugging along without my fussing and fidgeting. That's nice. > > And I am on the mend again, unhappy about NO MORE ALCOHOL, or my liver will slap me silly until I die. Not good. > > But otherwise, I am doing fine, recovering nicely. > > mjb. > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jamesf@groupwbench.org > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 2 09:11:41 2025 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D715A0A09 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2025 09:11:41 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from bradakis.com (unknown [50.198.190.18]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A192A0254 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2025 09:07:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from [50.198.190.18] (bradakis [50.198.190.18]) by bradakis.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 56B7F3672E9; Sun, 2 Feb 2025 09:06:48 -0700 (MST) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2025 09:06:48 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: eric@megageek.com, Shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <1UkEP1NYp6.9VTOHbwxRun.ref@johns-desktop> <1UkEP1NYp6.9VTOHbwxRun@johns-desktop> <1UkEP5Ov13.CvVMa6acrk@johns-desktop> <77bbca93-a1d4-4e75-9210-cc6b55ddb993@bradakis.com> Content-Language: en-US From: Mark Bradakis Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] shop internet connection Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net On 2/2/25 5:55 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote: > Mark, > I'll try to remember you when I do drink and I'll have twice as > much for you, brother! Reminds me of the ancient joke about the guy who shows up at the bar, orders three beers, drinks them up and leaves. Thw bartender tried to convince the guy they will be better if he ordered one at a time, tje second and third would be fresher. "Oh no", he says, "I need all three at once. You see, I have two brothers, we used to drink together. But they are off to the war, I'm the only one in town. So each week I drink with my brothers; so to speak." The bartender is moved by the man's story. And the man continues to come in, and order three beers. Then one day the man shuffles in, steps up to the bar and orders two beers. The bartender is taken aback by the change. He asks the guy if his brothers are okay, or did he lose one in the war? "oh no, my brothers are fine. Doctor told me I need to stop drinking. So no beer for me, but my brothers are doing fine. mjb. [I can hear the groans now...] _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Feb 2 12:41:17 2025 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C822FA0829 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2025 12:41:17 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from ci74p00im-qukt09090502.me.com (unknown [17.57.156.23]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A578DA07F0 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 2025 12:33:48 -0700 (MST) s=1a1hai; bh=t0JAXu66dh3bQTOGysEod1x1Y6tA4mu6CoFb5BjhQlQ=; h=Content-Type:From:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To:x-icloud-hme; b=jIWBQFvaWdPD2Oc+QrE7dNpMsyeJ4MK/VXsz+/yHR+iTM01BZm1xQ981JNBSBf4cl x38N/yRqYu5RYSqe1zDyA8iBDGJDSndAivVxi+NjfbBNHNDKf/0BqlaGiAdC4Ev7gB zz7YEtmqOkUMc0bsaN/cfZtFP4pxLota2hRjGHWjYvbO4wSMulTPGTsd68mCNjbu/Q LSwYFt47DHIhCJrMRc5HcB6FA5GdX51g9+GYY6OLPt3zdYnIqtIR2i9qWX5733NyBG rEh9GbF3o+9WHLwwE0AHDpvxsRP8wGbLYYjTT796CC1gZ02Vpxsnjxys8N9oVaCEnd vQDHPYih3zPZg== Received: from smtpclient.apple (ci77p00im-dlb-asmtp-mailmevip.me.com [17.57.156.26]) by ci74p00im-qukt09090502.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9A49B3200361; 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 2adabd64cbf922fa87065dc1bf05baab; Mon, 24 Feb 2025 21:18:47 +0000 (UTC) From: "john niolon" To: "shop-talk" Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2025 15:18:44 -0600 User-Agent: OEClassic/5.0 (Win10.19045; P; 2025-02-15) References: <1UkGYETLZ3.2aXAivPdSCB.ref@johns-desktop> mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Subject: [Shop-talk] sanding belt adhesive Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5212624510123908953== --------------000104090502060700010005 --------------090706010606000005020401 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I've got a small mini belt sander similar to this =20 =20 =20 it uses a 3/8" x 13" belt.. I've=20 got several boxes I bought years ago at a good price Problem is the adhesive strips that hold the belt together have lost their= =20 sticky =20 Anyone got a vendor that sells the little adhesive strips for the belts..??= ??? =20 I've also got 4" x 20" with the same problem so bigger adhesive strips can= be cut down =20 jihn --------------090706010606000005020401 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
I've got a small mini belt sander similar to t= his
 
 
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it uses a 3/8" x 13" belt.. I've got several b= oxes I bought years ago at a good price
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Anyone got a vendor that sells the little adhe= sive strips for the belts..?????
 
I've also got 4" x 20" with the same problem&n= bsp; so bigger adhesive strips can be
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quoted-printable I split my last belt on a project and just used some duct tape to put it = back together. Ran it wide and trimmed at the edge of the belt. Brian -----Original Message----- From: john niolon Sent: Feb 24, 2025 1:29 PM To: shop-talk Subject: [Shop-talk] sanding belt adhesive I've got a small mini belt sander similar to this =20 =20 =20 it uses a 3/8" x 13" belt.. I've got several boxes I bought years ago at a = good price Problem is the adhesive strips that hold the belt together have lost their = sticky =20 Anyone got a vendor that sells the little adhesive strips for the belts..??= ??? =20 I've also got 4" x 20" with the same problem so bigger adhesive strips can= be cut down =20 jihn ----_NmP-5610a0e0bacdc68f-Part_1 boundary="--_NmP-5610a0e0bacdc68f-Part_3" ----_NmP-5610a0e0bacdc68f-Part_3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I split my last belt on= a project and just used some duct tape to put it back together.  Ran = it wide and trimmed at the edge of the belt.

 

Brian

 

-----Original Message-----
From: john niolon <jniolon@att.= net>
Sent: Feb 24, 2025 1:29 PM
To: shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.= team.net>
Subject: [Shop-talk] sanding belt adhesive

 

I've got a small mini belt = sander similar to this
 
 
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it uses a 3/8" x 13" belt.. = I've got several boxes I bought years ago at a good price
Problem is the adhesive strips = that hold the belt together have lost their sticky
 
Anyone got a vendor that sells = the little adhesive strips for the belts..?????
 
I've also got 4" x 20" with the= same problem  so bigger adhesive strips can be
cut down
 
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--===============8032525956384144513== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-8BA972D8-A2F6-4A03-AE4F-2807C979B1BE charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Have you tried applying heat? I thought that adhesive was heat set. If that w= orks, I doubt it will be as good as new belts.=20 I=E2=80=99ve been using belts made by Klingspor for decades. They make mainl= y industrial abrasives but do make custom sized belts & disks too. Check the= m out @ www.woodworkingshop.com. They make abrasives for solid surface, wood= & metal.=20 Pat Horne=20 We support Habitat for Humanity On Feb 24, 2025, at 3:41=E2=80=AFPM, john niolon wrote: =EF=BB=BF I've got a small mini belt sander similar to this =20 =20 =20 it uses a 3/8" x 13" belt.. I've got several boxes I bought years ago at a g= ood price Problem is the adhesive strips that hold the belt together have lost their s= ticky =20 Anyone got a vendor that sells the little adhesive strips for the belts..???= ?? =20 I've also got 4" x 20" with the same problem so bigger adhesive strips can b= e cut down =20 jihn _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archi= ve as@icloud.com --Apple-Mail-8BA972D8-A2F6-4A03-AE4F-2807C979B1BE charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Have you tried applying heat? I thought tha= t adhesive was heat set. If that works, I doubt it will be as good as new be= lts. 

I=E2=80=99ve been using belts made by Klingspo= r for decades. They make mainly industrial abrasives but do make custom size= d belts & disks too. Check them out @ www.woodworkingshop.com. They make= abrasives for solid surface, wood & metal. 

Pat Horne 
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On Feb 24, 2025, at 3:41=E2=80=AF= PM, john niolon <jniolon@att.net> wrote:

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I've got a small mini belt sander similar to th= is
 
 
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it uses a 3/8" x 13" belt.. I've got several bo= xes I bought years ago at a good price
Problem is the adhesive strips that hold the be= lt together have lost their sticky
 
Anyone got a vendor that sells the little adhes= ive strips for the belts..?????
 
I've also got 4" x 20" with the same problem&nb= sp; so bigger adhesive strips can be
cut down
 
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Fellas,

I'm re-organizing the new g= arage. I haven't set up new big compressor yet, so I've been workin= g with the contractor model I used around the house (135 psi, oil-lube cont= ractor model--I've actually been pleasantly surprised).

<= /div>
I found my old IR2131 in a box a while back--it's been in tha= t box since maybe 1999. Before that it was used maybe ten times, total.

I dumped some air tool oil in the intake and it spun.= I was going to rotate my tires yesterday, and it wouldn't remove the l= ug nuts.

Now to be fair, I couldn't get them o= ff with a breaker bar, either. But the gun is supposed to be better than 60= 0 lb. ft., IIRC. I should have spun those off no problem. I wouldn't ha= ve ever used it at more than 100 p.s.i. on the old compressor, so it should= n't be lacking there.

I thought maybe it neede= d a rebuild, but before I do it I thought I'd ask you guys. Do these th= ings just 'age'? I remember pulling apart other impacts in the shop= back then, but I don't remember their guts. Maybe a seal has dry-rotte= d?

Or are tire shops just sticking wheels on tight= er now? I couldn't budge that thing with an 18: breaker and everything = I had.

Scott
--000000000000c046fb062f35360b-- --===============4704499220190695440== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============4704499220190695440==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Feb 28 08:34:34 2025 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AB1FA04EC for ; Fri, 28 Feb 2025 08:34:34 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from Deep13.mail.Megageek.com (unknown [34.199.103.79]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5E84A0289 for ; Fri, 28 Feb 2025 08:27:40 -0700 (MST) References: To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net type=4; name=$KeepSent From: eric@megageek.com Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2025 10:27:09 -0500 02/28/2025 10:27:16 AM, Serialize complete at 02/28/2025 10:27:16 AM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Impact seems...weak Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============1513959231734234034== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0054E1AE85258C3F_= Scott, First, many of the impact 'innards' I've seen are ?nylon? plates that spin in a off center chamber. Nothing to dry rot. But the thing to ask is, when you first plug it into air, any leaking noise? Then, when you trigger it, do you hear any air rushing noise that you don't normally hear when using an impact? Also, does it feel like the gun is 'bucking' or just 'whimpering' when it is trying? Next, I've seen shops put tires one CRAZY tight! My guess is that "there is NO penalty if the nut is too tight, but if it is too loose and comes off, that could be a major lawsuit." So they "air" on the side of caution. (bad pun) Moose From: Scott Hall To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" Date: 02/28/2025 10:16 AM Subject: [Shop-talk] Impact seems...weak Sent by: "Shop-talk" Fellas, I'm re-organizing the new garage. I haven't set up new big compressor yet, so I've been working with the contractor model I used around the house (135 psi, oil-lube contractor model--I've actually been pleasantly surprised). I found my old IR2131 in a box a while back--it's been in that box since maybe 1999. Before that it was used maybe ten times, total. I dumped some air tool oil in the intake and it spun. I was going to rotate my tires yesterday, and it wouldn't remove the lug nuts. Now to be fair, I couldn't get them off with a breaker bar, either. But the gun is supposed to be better than 600 lb. ft., IIRC. I should have spun those off no problem. I wouldn't have ever used it at more than 100 p.s.i. on the old compressor, so it shouldn't be lacking there. I thought maybe it needed a rebuild, but before I do it I thought I'd ask you guys. Do these things just 'age'? I remember pulling apart other impacts in the shop back then, but I don't remember their guts. Maybe a seal has dry-rotted? Or are tire shops just sticking wheels on tighter now? I couldn't budge that thing with an 18: breaker and everything I had. Scott_______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eric@megageek.com --=_alternative 0054E1AE85258C3F_= Scott,

First, many of the impact 'innards' I've seen are ?nylon? plates that spin in a off center chamber.  Nothing to dry rot.
But the thing to ask is, when you first plug it into air, any leaking noise?  Then, when you trigger it, do you hear any air rushing noise that you don't normally hear when using an impact?  Also, does it feel like the gun is 'bucking' or just 'whimpering' when it is trying?

Next, I've seen shops put tires one CRAZY tight!  My guess is that "there is NO penalty if the nut is too tight, but if it is too loose and comes off, that could be a major lawsuit."  So they "air" on the side of caution.  (bad pun)

Moose





From:        Scott Hall <scott.hall.personal@gmail.com>
To:        "shop-talk@autox.team.net" <Shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Date:        02/28/2025 10:16 AM
Subject:        [Shop-talk] Impact seems...weak
Sent by:        "Shop-talk" <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net>



Fellas,

I'm re-organizing the new garage. I haven't set up new big compressor yet, so I've been working with the contractor model I used around the house (135 psi, oil-lube contractor model--I've actually been pleasantly surprised).

I found my old IR2131 in a box a while back--it's been in that box since maybe 1999. Before that it was used maybe ten times, total.

I dumped some air tool oil in the intake and it spun. I was going to rotate my tires yesterday, and it wouldn't remove the lug nuts.

Now to be fair, I couldn't get them off with a breaker bar, either. But the gun is supposed to be better than 600 lb. ft., IIRC. I should have spun those off no problem. I wouldn't have ever used it at more than 100 p.s.i. on the old compressor, so it shouldn't be lacking there.

I thought maybe it needed a rebuild, but before I do it I thought I'd ask you guys. Do these things just 'age'? I remember pulling apart other impacts in the shop back then, but I don't remember their guts. Maybe a seal has dry-rotted?

Or are tire shops just sticking wheels on tighter now? I couldn't budge that thing with an 18: breaker and everything I had.

Scott_______________________________________________

Shop-talk@autox.team.net
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Best, Doug mobile ________________________________ From: Shop-talk on behalf of Scott Hall = Sent: Friday, February 28, 2025 7:10:22 AM To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Subject: [Shop-talk] Impact seems...weak Fellas, I'm re-organizing the new garage. I haven't set up new big compressor yet, = so I've been working with the contractor model I used around the house (135= psi, oil-lube contractor model--I've actually been pleasantly surprised). I found my old IR2131 in a box a while back--it's been in that box since ma= ybe 1999. Before that it was used maybe ten times, total. I dumped some air tool oil in the intake and it spun. I was going to rotate= my tires yesterday, and it wouldn't remove the lug nuts. Now to be fair, I couldn't get them off with a breaker bar, either. But the= gun is supposed to be better than 600 lb. ft., IIRC. I should have spun th= ose off no problem. I wouldn't have ever used it at more than 100 p.s.i. on= the old compressor, so it shouldn't be lacking there. I thought maybe it needed a rebuild, but before I do it I thought I'd ask y= ou guys. Do these things just 'age'? I remember pulling apart other impacts= in the shop back then, but I don't remember their guts. Maybe a seal has d= ry-rotted? Or are tire shops just sticking wheels on tighter now? I couldn't budge tha= t thing with an 18: breaker and everything I had. Scott --_000_IA1PR10MB7215D6B0A3C9F07E3A92CAE7ABCC2IA1PR10MB7215namp_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
100 psi should be good, but you also will require suffici= ent cfm to apply the force necessary (e.g., 1/2" lines would be great,= pressure regulator has sufficient cfm rating, etc.).

Best,

Doug
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From: Shop-talk <shop-ta= lk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Scott Hall <scott.hall.person= al@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2025 7:10:22 AM
To: shop-talk@autox.team.net <Shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: [Shop-talk] Impact seems...weak
 
Fellas,

I'm re-organizing the new garage. I haven't set up new big compressor = yet, so I've been working with the contractor model I used around the house= (135 psi, oil-lube contractor model--I've actually been pleasantly surpris= ed).

I found my old IR2131 in a box a while back--it's been in that box sin= ce maybe 1999. Before that it was used maybe ten times, total.

I dumped some air tool oil in the intake and it spun. I was going to r= otate my tires yesterday, and it wouldn't remove the lug nuts.

Now to be fair, I couldn't get them off with a breaker bar, either. Bu= t the gun is supposed to be better than 600 lb. ft., IIRC. I should have sp= un those off no problem. I wouldn't have ever used it at more than 100 p.s.= i. on the old compressor, so it shouldn't be lacking there.

I thought maybe it needed a rebuild, but before I do it I thought I'd = ask you guys. Do these things just 'age'? I remember pulling apart other im= pacts in the shop back then, but I don't remember their guts. Maybe a seal = has dry-rotted?

Or are tire shops just sticking wheels on tighter now? I couldn't budg= e that thing with an 18: breaker and everything I had.

Scott
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Yes those >25 year old o-rings are probably shrunk= en and rock hard. They're going to be letting a lot of twist'em=C2= =A0slip past.

Unsolicited advice but if you dug it= out planning to start using it frequently then put the money you'd hav= e spent on a rebuilt kit toward a high-torque cordless impact instead. I ha= ve a big 220V compressor that has been relegated to blow gun and air hammer= duty because I like the battery powered version of every other air tool I = own better.

-Paul

On Fri, Feb= 28, 2025 at 10:26=E2=80=AFAM Scott Hall <scott.hall.personal@gmail.com> wrote:
Fellas,
I'm re-organizing the new garage. I haven't set up= new big compressor yet, so I've been working with the contractor model= I used around the house (135 psi, oil-lube contractor model--I've actu= ally been pleasantly surprised).

I found my old IR= 2131 in a box a while back--it's been in that box since maybe 1999. Bef= ore that it was used maybe ten times, total.

I dum= ped some air tool oil in the intake and it spun. I was going to rotate my t= ires yesterday, and it wouldn't remove the lug nuts.

Now to be fair, I couldn't get them off with a breaker bar, eith= er. But the gun is supposed to be better than 600 lb. ft., IIRC. I should h= ave spun those off no problem. I wouldn't have ever used it at more tha= n 100 p.s.i. on the old compressor, so it shouldn't be lacking there.

I thought maybe it needed a rebuild, but before I d= o it I thought I'd ask you guys. Do these things just 'age'? I = remember pulling apart other impacts in the shop back then, but I don't= remember their guts. Maybe a seal has dry-rotted?

Or are tire shops just sticking wheels on tighter now? I couldn't budg= e that thing with an 18: breaker and everything I had.

=
Scott
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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 7a93f36150b10fa7fcda4d344b07bebd; Fri, 28 Feb 2025 16:42:11 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2025 11:42:09 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: Content-Language: en-US From: Jim Juhas mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Impact seems...weak Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============2756258447326332199== boundary="------------2JlKMhuijoizMLIcR9QZJ5x9" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------2JlKMhuijoizMLIcR9QZJ5x9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I agree on the advantages of the battery powered impact tools. I used to depend on a generator and a small compressor for wheel and tire work at the race track, but now exclusively use the battery ones for that purpose. I use them also in the shop most times, but I have a some air powered ones that have more capacity that I rely on for the stubborn fasteners. Because of the proliferation of the battery units, I have found deeply discounted air units at swap meets, some showing little wear and in perfect operating condition. $10 to $20 range; that's why I have 4 of them now. On 2/28/2025 10:49 AM, Paul Parkanzky wrote: > Yes those >25 year old o-rings are probably shrunken and rock hard. > They're going to be letting a lot of twist'em slip past. > > Unsolicited advice but if you dug it out planning to start using it > frequently then put the money you'd have spent on a rebuilt kit toward > a high-torque cordless impact instead. I have a big 220V compressor > that has been relegated to blow gun and air hammer duty because I like > the battery powered version of every other air tool I own better. > > -Paul > > On Fri, Feb 28, 2025 at 10:26 AM Scott Hall > wrote: > > Fellas, > > I'm re-organizing the new garage. I haven't set up new big > compressor yet, so I've been working with the contractor model I > used around the house (135 psi, oil-lube contractor model--I've > actually been pleasantly surprised). > > I found my old IR2131 in a box a while back--it's been in that box > since maybe 1999. Before that it was used maybe ten times, total. > > I dumped some air tool oil in the intake and it spun. I was going > to rotate my tires yesterday, and it wouldn't remove the lug nuts. > > Now to be fair, I couldn't get them off with a breaker bar, > either. But the gun is supposed to be better than 600 lb. ft., > IIRC. I should have spun those off no problem. I wouldn't have > ever used it at more than 100 p.s.i. on the old compressor, so it > shouldn't be lacking there. > > I thought maybe it needed a rebuild, but before I do it I thought > I'd ask you guys. Do these things just 'age'? I remember pulling > apart other impacts in the shop back then, but I don't remember > their guts. Maybe a seal has dry-rotted? > > Or are tire shops just sticking wheels on tighter now? I couldn't > budge that thing with an 18: breaker and everything I had. > > Scott > _______________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/james.f.juhas@snet.net > --------------2JlKMhuijoizMLIcR9QZJ5x9 boundary="------------60zIF8a36sLeFLQuiO605QAR" --------------60zIF8a36sLeFLQuiO605QAR Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I agree on the advantages of the battery powered impact tools. I used to depend on a generator and a small compressor for wheel and tire work at the race track, but now exclusively use the battery ones for that purpose. I use them also in the shop most times, but I have a some air powered ones that have more capacity that I rely on for the stubborn fasteners.

Because of the proliferation of the battery units, I have found deeply discounted air units at swap meets, some showing little wear and in perfect operating condition. $10 to $20 range; that's why I have 4 of them now.

On 2/28/2025 10:49 AM, Paul Parkanzky wrote:
Yes those >25 year old o-rings are probably shrunken and rock hard. They're going to be letting a lot of twist'em slip past.

Unsolicited advice but if you dug it out planning to start using it frequently then put the money you'd have spent on a rebuilt kit toward a high-torque cordless impact instead. I have a big 220V compressor that has been relegated to blow gun and air hammer duty because I like the battery powered version of every other air tool I own better.

-Paul

On Fri, Feb 28, 2025 at 10:26 AM Scott Hall <scott.hall.personal@gmail.com> wrote:
Fellas,

I'm re-organizing the new garage. I haven't set up new big compressor yet, so I've been working with the contractor model I used around the house (135 psi, oil-lube contractor model--I've actually been pleasantly surprised).

I found my old IR2131 in a box a while back--it's been in that box since maybe 1999. Before that it was used maybe ten times, total.

I dumped some air tool oil in the intake and it spun. I was going to rotate my tires yesterday, and it wouldn't remove the lug nuts.

Now to be fair, I couldn't get them off with a breaker bar, either. But the gun is supposed to be better than 600 lb. ft., IIRC. I should have spun those off no problem. I wouldn't have ever used it at more than 100 p.s.i. on the old compressor, so it shouldn't be lacking there.

I thought maybe it needed a rebuild, but before I do it I thought I'd ask you guys. Do these things just 'age'? I remember pulling apart other impacts in the shop back then, but I don't remember their guts. Maybe a seal has dry-rotted?

Or are tire shops just sticking wheels on tighter now? I couldn't budge that thing with an 18: breaker and everything I had.

Scott
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