Subject: [Shop-talk] shop internet connection

From: "john niolon" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2025 11:27:06 -0600

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I'm trying to get better internet connectivity in my detached garage/shop. =
 First tried hardwired cat-5 but it was right at the limit for distance and=
 slow and intermittent.  Next went with power line adapters and while they =
were consistent in connection...speed was still slower than I wanted...
=20
This Christmas my s-I-l gave me a Orbi mesh system and we installed it with=
 no problem putting one satellite box IN the garage and the master box sitt=
ing on top of my fiber modem hard wired to the modem.
=20
I have 300mb fiber from ATT and the speed is great (350-375 MB) to hardwire=
d pc and around 140 mb on ipad in the house or in the garage. =20
I have an older laptop I use in the shop (Toshiba Satellite L875D-st210) wh=
ich is my primary shop machine.  Best speed I can get is 30-40 mb.
while the tablet sitting next to it is 140 mb+.
=20
I'm=20
wondering if the old laptop has a wireless card that is old and slower? =20
Everything I knew about computers is old and obsolete after 20 years out of=
 the=20
business.  Can someone with current knowledge tell me if the problem is wit=
h an=20
antiquated card in the laptop and is there a way to get better wireless spe=
ed=20
on the laptop?  or is that just the nature of wireless nowadays? BTW the la=
ptop=20
is running windows 7 with no options to run win 10.
=20
=20
thanks
John
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">I'm trying to get better internet connectivity=
 in my detached garage/shop.&nbsp; First tried hardwired cat-5 but it was r=
ight at the limit for distance and slow and intermittent.&nbsp; Next went w=
ith power line adapters and while they were consistent in connection...spee=
d was still slower than I wanted...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">This Christmas my s-I-l gave me a Orbi mesh sy=
stem and we installed it with no problem putting one satellite box IN the g=
arage and the master box sitting on top of my fiber modem hard wired to the=
 modem.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">I have 300mb fiber from ATT and the speed is g=
reat (350-375 MB)&nbsp;to hardwired pc and around 140 mb on ipad in the hou=
se or in the garage.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">I have an older laptop I use in the shop (Tosh=
iba Satellite L875D-st210) which is my primary shop machine.&nbsp; Best spe=
ed I can get is 30-40 mb.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">while the tablet sitting next to it is 140 mb+=
=2E</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">I'm wondering if the old laptop has a wireless=
 card that is old and slower?&nbsp; Everything I knew about computers is ol=
d and obsolete after 20 years out of the business.&nbsp; Can someone with c=
urrent knowledge tell me if the problem is with an antiquated card in the l=
aptop and is there a way to get better wireless speed on the laptop?&nbsp; =
or is that just the nature of wireless nowadays? BTW&nbsp;the laptop&nbsp;i=
s running windows 7 with no options to run win 10.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">thanks</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">John</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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From: Ronnie Day <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2025 13:01:27 -0600

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John,

The first thing I'd do is bring the Toshiba in the house, sit next to your
router and run several speed tests. That'll tell you if the issue's the
laptop. Depending on the results, I'd do some YouTube research. Crosstalk
Solutions is a good channel to start with.

On Thu, Jan 2, 2025 at 12:41=E2=80=AFPM john niolon <[email-masked]> wrote=
:

> I'm trying to get better internet connectivity in my detached
> garage/shop.  First tried hardwired cat-5 but it was right at the limit f=
or
> distance and slow and intermittent.  Next went with power line adapters a=
nd
> while they were consistent in connection...speed was still slower than I
> wanted...
>
> This Christmas my s-I-l gave me a Orbi mesh system and we installed it
> with no problem putting one satellite box IN the garage and the master bo=
x
> sitting on top of my fiber modem hard wired to the modem.
>
> I have 300mb fiber from ATT and the speed is great (350-375 MB) to
> hardwired pc and around 140 mb on ipad in the house or in the garage.
> I have an older laptop I use in the shop (Toshiba Satellite L875D-st210)
> which is my primary shop machine.  Best speed I can get is 30-40 mb.
> I'm wondering if the old laptop has a wireless card that is old and
> slower?  Everything I knew about computers is old and obsolete after 20
> years out of the business.  Can someone with current knowledge tell me if
> the problem is with an antiquated card in the laptop and is there a way t=
o
> get better wireless speed on the laptop?  or is that just the nature of
> wireless nowadays? BTW the laptop is running windows 7 with no options to
> run win 10.
>
>
> thanks
> John
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<div dir=3D"ltr">John,<div><br></div><div>The first thing I&#39;d do is bri=
ng the Toshiba in the house, sit next to your router and run several speed =
tests. That&#39;ll tell you if the issue&#39;s=C2=A0the laptop. Depending o=
n the results, I&#39;d do some YouTube research. Crosstalk Solutions is a g=
ood channel to start=C2=A0with.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gm=
ail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 2, 2=
025 at 12:41=E2=80=AFPM john niolon &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s=
tyle=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);pad=
ding-left:1ex">

<div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">I&#39;m trying to get better internet connecti=
vity in my detached garage/shop.=C2=A0 First tried hardwired cat-5 but it w=
as right at the limit for distance and slow and intermittent.=C2=A0 Next we=
nt with power line adapters and while they were consistent in connection...=
speed was still slower than I wanted...</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">This Christmas my s-I-l gave me a Orbi mesh sy=
stem and we installed it with no problem putting one satellite box IN the g=
arage and the master box sitting on top of my fiber modem hard wired to the=
 modem.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">I have 300mb fiber from ATT and the speed is g=
reat (350-375 MB)=C2=A0to hardwired pc and around 140 mb on ipad in the hou=
se or in the garage.=C2=A0 </font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">I have an older laptop I use in the shop (Tosh=
iba Satellite L875D-st210) which is my primary shop machine.=C2=A0 Best spe=
ed I can get is 30-40 mb.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">while the tablet sitting next to it is 140 mb+=
.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">I&#39;m wondering if the old laptop has a wire=
less card that is old and slower?=C2=A0 Everything I knew about computers i=
s old and obsolete after 20 years out of the business.=C2=A0 Can someone wi=
th current knowledge tell me if the problem is with an antiquated card in t=
he laptop and is there a way to get better wireless speed on the laptop?=C2=
=A0 or is that just the nature of wireless nowadays? BTW=C2=A0the laptop=C2=
=A0is running windows 7 with no options to run win 10.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">thanks</font></div>
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John - I recommend replacing the old laptop since it is on the 
unsupported Windows 7 and I expect the wireless capability isn't easy to 
update as it is likely built in.  A device on Windows 7 is a 
vulnerability to hacking and potentially puts everything on you home 
network at risk.

You can get a name brand Windows 11 laptop in the $300 range if you just 
need something basic.  The increase in security and performance should 
be worth it.

Brian

On 1/2/2025 9:27 AM, john niolon wrote:
> garage/shop.  First tried hardwired cat-5 but it was right at the 
> limit for distance and slow and intermittent.  Next went with power 
> line adapters and while they were consistent in connection...speed was 
> still slower than I wanted...
> with no problem putting one satellite box IN the garage and the master 
> box sitting on top of my fiber modem hard wired to the modem.
> I have an older laptop I use in the shop (Toshiba Satellite 
> L875D-st210) which is my primary shop machine.  Best speed I can get 
> is 30-40 mb.
> slower?  Everything I knew about computers is old and obsolete after 
> 20 years out of the business.  Can someone with current knowledge tell 
> me if the problem is with an antiquated card in the laptop and is 
> there a way to get better wireless speed on the laptop?  or is that 
> just the nature of wireless nowadays? BTW the laptop is running 
> windows 7 with no options to run win 10.
> thanks
> John
>
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    John - I recommend replacing the old laptop since it is on the
    unsupported Windows 7 and I expect the wireless capability isn't
    easy to update as it is likely built in.  A device on Windows 7 is a
    vulnerability to hacking and potentially puts everything on you home
    network at risk.<br>
    <br>
    You can get a name brand Windows 11 laptop in the $300 range if you
    just need something basic.  The increase in security and performance
    should be worth it.<br>
    <br>
    Brian<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/2/2025 9:27 AM, john niolon wrote:<br>
    </div>
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      cite="mid:1UkEP1NYp6.9VTOHbwxRun@johns-desktop">
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      <div><font face="Segoe UI">I'm trying to get better internet
          connectivity in my detached garage/shop.  First tried
          hardwired cat-5 but it was right at the limit for distance and
          slow and intermittent.  Next went with power line adapters and
          while they were consistent in connection...speed was still
          slower than I wanted...</font></div>
      <div> </div>
      <div><font face="Segoe UI">This Christmas my s-I-l gave me a Orbi
          mesh system and we installed it with no problem putting one
          satellite box IN the garage and the master box sitting on top
          of my fiber modem hard wired to the modem.</font></div>
      <div> </div>
      <div><font face="Segoe UI">I have 300mb fiber from ATT and the
          speed is great (350-375 MB) to hardwired pc and around 140 mb
          on ipad in the house or in the garage.  </font></div>
      <div><font face="Segoe UI">I have an older laptop I use in the
          shop (Toshiba Satellite L875D-st210) which is my primary shop
          machine.  Best speed I can get is 30-40 mb.</font></div>
      <div><font face="Segoe UI">while the tablet sitting next to it is
          140 mb+.</font></div>
      <div> </div>
      <div><font face="Segoe UI">I'm wondering if the old laptop has a
          wireless card that is old and slower?  Everything I knew about
          computers is old and obsolete after 20 years out of the
          business.  Can someone with current knowledge tell me if the
          problem is with an antiquated card in the laptop and is there
          a way to get better wireless speed on the laptop?  or is that
          just the nature of wireless nowadays? BTW the laptop is
          running windows 7 with no options to run win 10.</font></div>
      <div> </div>
      <div> </div>
      <div><font face="Segoe UI">thanks</font></div>
      <div><font face="Segoe UI">John</font></div>
      <br>
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From: Thomas Coradeschi <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2025 14:30:19 -0500

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Here is the $64M question. What do you want the laptop to do, which it curre=
ntly can=E2=80=99t?

The laptop specs call out 802.11b/g/n wireless. The data rates you note seem=
 like they are in family with what you=E2=80=99d expect, at least to my eye.=
=20

Alternatively, can you connect the laptop to the box in the shop via Etherne=
t?

Regards,

Tom Coradeschi
[email-masked]

> On Jan 2, 2025, at 1:42=E2=80=AFPM, john niolon <[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> I'm trying to get better internet connectivity in my detached garage/shop.=
  First tried hardwired cat-5 but it was right at the limit for distance and=
 slow and intermittent.  Next went with power line adapters and while they w=
ere consistent in connection...speed was still slower than I wanted...
> =20
> This Christmas my s-I-l gave me a Orbi mesh system and we installed it wit=
h no problem putting one satellite box IN the garage and the master box sitt=
ing on top of my fiber modem hard wired to the modem.
> =20
> I have 300mb fiber from ATT and the speed is great (350-375 MB) to hardwir=
ed pc and around 140 mb on ipad in the house or in the garage.=20
> I have an older laptop I use in the shop (Toshiba Satellite L875D-st210) w=
hich is my primary shop machine.  Best speed I can get is 30-40 mb.
> I'm wondering if the old laptop has a wireless card that is old and slower=
?  Everything I knew about computers is old and obsolete after 20 years out o=
f the business.  Can someone with current knowledge tell me if the problem i=
s with an antiquated card in the laptop and is there a way to get better wir=
eless speed on the laptop?  or is that just the nature of wireless nowadays?=
 BTW the laptop is running windows 7 with no options to run win 10.
> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arc=
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Here is the $64M question. What do you want=
 the laptop to do, which it currently can=E2=80=99t?<div><br></div><div>The l=
aptop specs call out 802.11b/g/n wireless. The data rates you note seem like=
 they are in family with what you=E2=80=99d expect, at least to my eye.&nbsp=
;</div><div><div><br></div><div>Alternatively, can you connect the laptop to=
 the box in the shop via Ethernet?</div></div><div><br></div><div>Regards,<b=
r id=3D"lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><br></div>Tom=
 Coradeschi<div>[email-masked]</div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquot=
e type=3D"cite">On Jan 2, 2025, at 1:42=E2=80=AFPM, john niolon &lt;jniolon@=
att.net&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF
<meta name=3D"GENERATOR" content=3D"MSHTML 11.00.10570.1001">

<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">I'm trying to get better internet connectivity i=
n my detached garage/shop.&nbsp; First tried hardwired cat-5 but it was righ=
t at the limit for distance and slow and intermittent.&nbsp; Next went with p=
ower line adapters and while they were consistent in connection...speed was s=
till slower than I wanted...</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">This Christmas my s-I-l gave me a Orbi mesh sys=
tem and we installed it with no problem putting one satellite box IN the gar=
age and the master box sitting on top of my fiber modem hard wired to the mo=
dem.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">I have 300mb fiber from ATT and the speed is gr=
eat (350-375 MB)&nbsp;to hardwired pc and around 140 mb on ipad in the house=
 or in the garage.&nbsp; </font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">I have an older laptop I use in the shop (Toshi=
ba Satellite L875D-st210) which is my primary shop machine.&nbsp; Best speed=
 I can get is 30-40 mb.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">while the tablet sitting next to it is 140 mb+.=
</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">I'm wondering if the old laptop has a wireless c=
ard that is old and slower?&nbsp; Everything I knew about computers is old a=
nd obsolete after 20 years out of the business.&nbsp; Can someone with curre=
nt knowledge tell me if the problem is with an antiquated card in the laptop=
 and is there a way to get better wireless speed on the laptop?&nbsp; or is t=
hat just the nature of wireless nowadays? BTW&nbsp;the laptop&nbsp;is runnin=
g windows 7 with no options to run win 10.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">thanks</font></div>
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And to put a finer point on it (and this is more for my curiosity than 
helping you), why is 30-40 Mb/s not adequate?  What is it that you're 
trying to do?

Maybe I should be embarrassed to admit this, but we went with the 
cheapest, 40 Mb/s tier on our fiber service, 'cause it works fine for 
everything we do.

- GeneG

On 1/2/25 11:30 AM, Thomas Coradeschi wrote:

> Here is the $64M question. What do you want the laptop to do, which it 
> currently can’t?
>
> The laptop specs call out 802.11b/g/n wireless. The data rates you 
> note seem like they are in family with what you’d expect, at least to 
> my eye.
>
> Alternatively, can you connect the laptop to the box in the shop via 
> Ethernet?
>
> Regards,
>
> Tom Coradeschi
> [email-masked]
>
>> On Jan 2, 2025, at 1:42 PM, john niolon <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> line adapters and while they were consistent in connection...speed 
>> was still slower than I wanted...
>> This Christmas my s-I-l gave me a Orbi mesh system and we installed 
>> it with no problem putting one satellite box IN the garage and the 
>> master box sitting on top of my fiber modem hard wired to the modem.
>> 20 years out of the business.  Can someone with current knowledge 
>> tell me if the problem is with an antiquated card in the laptop and 
>> is there a way to get better wireless speed on the laptop?  or is 
>> that just the nature of wireless nowadays? BTW the laptop is running 
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/[email-masked]
>>
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    <p>And to put a finer point on it (and this is more for my curiosity
      than helping you), why is 30-40 Mb/s not adequate?  What is it
      that you're trying to do?</p>
    <p>Maybe I should be embarrassed to admit this, but we went with the
      cheapest, 40 Mb/s tier on our fiber service, 'cause it works fine
      for everything we do.</p>
    <p>- GeneG</p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>On 1/2/25 11:30 AM, Thomas Coradeschi wrote:</p>
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      Here is the $64M question. What do you want the laptop to do,
      which it currently can’t?
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>The laptop specs call out 802.11b/g/n wireless. The data
        rates you note seem like they are in family with what you’d
        expect, at least to my eye. </div>
      <div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Alternatively, can you connect the laptop to the box in the
          shop via Ethernet?</div>
      </div>
      <div><br>
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      <div>Regards,<br id="lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature">
        <div dir="ltr">
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          Tom Coradeschi
          <div><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a></div>
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          <blockquote type="cite">On Jan 2, 2025, at 1:42 PM, john
            niolon <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email-masked]">&lt;[email-masked]&gt;</a> wrote:<br>
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            <div><font face="Segoe UI">I'm trying to get better internet
                connectivity in my detached garage/shop.  First tried
                hardwired cat-5 but it was right at the limit for
                distance and slow and intermittent.  Next went with
                power line adapters and while they were consistent in
                connection...speed was still slower than I wanted...</font></div>
            <div> </div>
            <div><font face="Segoe UI">This Christmas my s-I-l gave me a
                Orbi mesh system and we installed it with no problem
                putting one satellite box IN the garage and the master
                box sitting on top of my fiber modem hard wired to the
                modem.</font></div>
            <div> </div>
            <div><font face="Segoe UI">I have 300mb fiber from ATT and
                the speed is great (350-375 MB) to hardwired pc and
                around 140 mb on ipad in the house or in the garage.  </font></div>
            <div><font face="Segoe UI">I have an older laptop I use in
                the shop (Toshiba Satellite L875D-st210) which is my
                primary shop machine.  Best speed I can get is 30-40 mb.</font></div>
            <div><font face="Segoe UI">while the tablet sitting next to
                it is 140 mb+.</font></div>
            <div> </div>
            <div><font face="Segoe UI">I'm wondering if the old laptop
                has a wireless card that is old and slower?  Everything
                I knew about computers is old and obsolete after 20
                years out of the business.  Can someone with current
                knowledge tell me if the problem is with an antiquated
                card in the laptop and is there a way to get better
                wireless speed on the laptop?  or is that just the
                nature of wireless nowadays? BTW the laptop is running
                windows 7 with no options to run win 10.</font></div>
            <div> </div>
            <div> </div>
            <div><font face="Segoe UI">thanks</font></div>
            <div><font face="Segoe UI">John</font></div>
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As others have said, the old laptop is probably running within specs.
Wifi-BGN is going to peak throughput of about 38-40 mbps.

The latest spec for Wifi (aka Wifi-6) is 802.11ax or just AX as a
designation to differentiate from the past "livingroom" standard of
802.11ac.

Both of these are overkill for what you want/need, ac peaks at 3.5Gbps, and
ax peaks at 9.6Gbps.

The Toshiba you have also has a limit of 100 Mbps on the ethernet port
built in.   So, even if you went with a cheap "hardwire solution" and tried
to connect a switch to the ethernet port on the Orbi, you would still be
limited to what the older laptop can manage.

It's also possible that the version Orbi you have is only capable of
802.11ac, you don't mention which version you have, but they still
sell/support the older versions, and the price is rather steep for the
latest versions

Even if you were to replace/upgrade to a usb dongle wifi connection, it
would be limited to the speed of USB 2.0 and the older bus speeds in the
Toshiba.  Also not sure that spending $35 on a wifi adapter is the best use
of funds.... (e.g.  TP-Link AX1800 can plug into a standard USB a port, but
the laptop would not be able to support the speeds.)

If you are on a budget, I would look at chromebooks as an option,

here's a not terrible option from Lenovo for $250 from the 'zon:
https://a.co/d/am8aVRV

All that said, most of the world runs just fine on 20-30 Mbps.

  --Miq

On Thu, Jan 2, 2025 at 10:34=E2=80=AFAM john niolon <[email-masked]> wrote=

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<div dir=3D"ltr">As others have said, the old laptop is probably running wi=
thin=C2=A0specs.=C2=A0 Wifi-BGN is going to peak throughput of about 38-40 =
mbps.<div><br></div><div>The latest spec for Wifi (aka Wifi-6) is 802.11ax =
or just AX as a designation to differentiate from the past &quot;livingroom=
&quot; standard of 802.11ac.</div><div><br></div><div>Both of these are ove=
rkill for what you want/need, ac peaks at 3.5Gbps, and ax peaks at 9.6Gbps.=
</div><div><br></div><div>The Toshiba you have also has a limit of 100 Mbps=
 on the ethernet port built in.=C2=A0 =C2=A0So, even if you went with a che=
ap &quot;hardwire solution&quot; and tried to connect a switch to the ether=
net port on the Orbi, you would still be limited to what the older laptop=
=C2=A0can manage.</div><div><br></div><div>It&#39;s also possible that the =
version Orbi you have is only capable of 802.11ac, you don&#39;t mention wh=
ich version you have, but they still sell/support the older=C2=A0versions, =
and the price is rather steep for the latest versions</div><div><br></div><=
div>Even if you were to replace/upgrade to a usb dongle wifi connection, it=
 would be limited to the speed of USB 2.0 and the older bus speeds in the T=
oshiba.=C2=A0 Also not sure that spending $35 on a wifi adapter is the best=
 use of funds.... (e.g.=C2=A0 TP-Link AX1800 can plug into a standard USB a=
 port, but the laptop would not be able to support the speeds.)</div><div><=
br></div><div>If you are on a budget, I would look at chromebooks as an opt=
ion,=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>here&#39;s a not terrible option from L=
enovo for $250 from the &#39;zon:</div><div><a href=3D"https://a.co/d/am8aV=
RV">https://a.co/d/am8aVRV</a></div><div><br></div><div>All that said, most=
 of the world runs just fine on 20-30 Mbps.</div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0=
 --Miq<br><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu,=
 Jan 2, 2025 at 10:34=E2=80=AFAM john niolon &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jniolon@=
att.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
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well that is an unusual development... moved the laptop to sit right next t=
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five speedtest gave me 25-30 mb download and a little less upload with late=
ncy=20
around45 ms
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took it back to the shop sitting next to the satellite and got 50-60 mb dow=
n=20
and 40-=3D50 up with less latency
=20
so I'm assuming it's just my old slow laptop as=20
ya'll say...just like me  old and slow
=20
My Orbi is a model RBR10   app version2.42.0.56
=20
firmware version v2.7.3.22
=20
I've=20
started looking online for refurbed units...=20
I've been using a refurbed DELL Optiflex 990 for several years with no prob=
lems
they are getting cheaper every day... and I've=20
got room for a small form factor and monitor in the shop... might just go t=
hat=20
way
=20
if ya'll have any suggestions on the refurbs... I'm all ears

=20

   thanks for all the input
john

----- Original Message -----
From: MIQ MILLMAN <[email-masked]>
To: john niolon <[email-masked]>
Cc: shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Sent: 1/2/2025 3:26:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] shop internet connection

As others have said, the old laptop is probably running within specs.  Wifi=
-BGN=20
is going to peak throughput of about 38-40 mbps.=20

The latest spec for Wifi (aka Wifi-6) is 802.11ax or just AX as a designati=
on=20
to differentiate from the past "livingroom" standard of 802.11ac.

Both of these are overkill for what you want/need, ac peaks at 3.5Gbps, and=
 ax=20
peaks at 9.6Gbps.

The Toshiba you have also has a limit of 100 Mbps on the ethernet port buil=
t=20
in.   So, even if you went with a cheap "hardwire solution" and tried to=20
connect a switch to the ethernet port on the Orbi, you would still be limit=
ed=20
to what the older laptop can manage.

It's also possible that the version Orbi you have is only capable of 802.11=
ac, you don't=20
mention which version you have, but they still sell/support the older versi=
ons,=20
and the price is rather steep for the latest versions

Even if you were to replace/upgrade to a usb dongle wifi connection, it wou=
ld=20
be limited to the speed of USB 2.0 and the older bus speeds in the Toshiba.=
 =20
Also not sure that spending $35 on a wifi adapter is the best use of funds.=
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ould=20
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If you are on a budget, I would look at chromebooks as an option,=20

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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">well that is an unusual development... moved t=
he laptop to sit right next to the Orbi modem</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">five speedtest gave me 25-30 mb download and a=
 little less upload with latency around45 ms</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">took it back to the shop sitting next to the s=
atellite and got 50-60 mb down and 40-=3D50 up with less latency</FONT></DI=
V>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">so I'm assuming it's just my old slow laptop a=
s ya'll say...just like me&nbsp; old and slow</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">My Orbi is a model RBR10&nbsp;&nbsp; app versi=
on2.42</FONT><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">.0.56</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">firmware version v2.7.3.22</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">I've started looking online for refurbed units=
=2E.. I've been using a refurbed DELL Optiflex 990 for several years with n=
o problems</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">they are getting cheaper every day... and I've=
 got room for a small form factor and monitor in the shop... might just go =
that way</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">if ya'll have any suggestions on the refurbs..=
=2E I'm all ears</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">&nbsp;&nbsp; thanks for all the input</FONT></=
DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">john</FONT></DIV>
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Subject:</B> Re: [Shop-talk] shop internet connection</DIV>
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<DIV dir=3Dltr>As others have said, the old laptop is probably running with=
in&nbsp;specs.&nbsp; Wifi-BGN is going to peak throughput of about 38-40 mb=
ps.=20
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>The latest spec for Wifi (aka Wifi-6) is 802.11ax or just AX as a desi=
gnation to differentiate from the past "livingroom" standard of 802.11ac.</=
DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Both of these are overkill for what you want/need, ac peaks at 3.5Gbps=
, and ax peaks at 9.6Gbps.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>The Toshiba you have also has a limit of 100 Mbps on the ethernet port=
 built in.&nbsp; &nbsp;So, even if you went with a cheap "hardwire solution=
" and tried to connect a switch to the ethernet port on the Orbi, you would=
 still be limited to what the older laptop&nbsp;can manage.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>It's also possible that the version Orbi you have is only capable of 8=
02.11ac, you don't mention which version you have, but they still sell/supp=
ort the older&nbsp;versions, and the price is rather steep for the latest v=
ersions</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Even if you were to replace/upgrade to a usb dongle wifi connection, i=
t would be limited to the speed of USB 2.0 and the older bus speeds in the =
Toshiba.&nbsp; Also not sure that spending $35 on a wifi adapter is the bes=
t use of funds.... (e.g.&nbsp; TP-Link AX1800 can plug into a standard USB =
a port, but the laptop would not be able to support the speeds.)</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>If you are on a budget, I would look at chromebooks as an option,&nbsp=
;</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>here's a not terrible option from Lenovo for $250 from the 'zon:</DIV>
<DIV><A href=3D"https://a.co/d/am8aVRV">https://a.co/d/am8aVRV</A></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>All that said, most of the world runs just fine on 20-30 Mbps.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp; --Miq<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV></DIV></DIV><BR>
<DIV class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container">
<DIV class=3Dgmail_attr dir=3Dltr>On Thu, Jan 2, 2025 at 10:34=E2=80=AFAM j=
ohn niolon &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</A>&gt; w=
rote:<BR></DIV>
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b(204,204,204) 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex">
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">I'm trying to get better internet connectivity=
 in my detached garage/shop.&nbsp; First tried hardwired cat-5 but it was r=
ight at the limit for distance and slow and intermittent.&nbsp; Next went w=
ith power line adapters and while they were consistent in connection...spee=
d was still slower than I wanted...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">This Christmas my s-I-l gave me a Orbi mesh sy=
stem and we installed it with no problem putting one satellite box IN the g=
arage and the master box sitting on top of my fiber modem hard wired to the=
 modem.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">I have 300mb fiber from ATT and the speed is g=
reat (350-375 MB)&nbsp;to hardwired pc and around 140 mb on ipad in the hou=
se or in the garage.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">I have an older laptop I use in the shop (Tosh=
iba Satellite L875D-st210) which is my primary shop machine.&nbsp; Best spe=
ed I can get is 30-40 mb.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">while the tablet sitting next to it is 140 mb+=
=2E</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">I'm wondering if the old laptop has a wireless=
 card that is old and slower?&nbsp; Everything I knew about computers is ol=
d and obsolete after 20 years out of the business.&nbsp; Can someone with c=
urrent knowledge tell me if the problem is with an antiquated card in the l=
aptop and is there a way to get better wireless speed on the laptop?&nbsp; =
or is that just the nature of wireless nowadays? BTW&nbsp;the laptop&nbsp;i=
s running windows 7 with no options to run win 10.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">thanks</FONT></DIV>
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John =E2=80=93 if you are going to get a new machine, you might consider =
a mini-PC [aka 1-liter machines].

=20

I got a couple of these a year ago. My wife is using one as her main =
machine and it works great. I am overusing mine as I run some virtual =
machines, but it works just fine for most tasks. Here is a link to the =
one I got: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09H5961YN/  That is now =
$229 for 16Gb of ram and a 500Gb drive and Windows 11 Pro.

=20

They also have one at $139 with 8Gb + 256=E2=80=A6

=20

Of course you would have to provide a mouse, keyboard and monitor =
=E2=80=93 which a laptop would provide built-in =E2=80=93 but if you =
have those laying around, this might work for you without additional =
expense.

=20

-----------------------------------

All the best,

=20

Al Fuller

=20

From: Shop-talk <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of john =
niolon
Sent: Thursday, January 2, 2025 3:22 PM
To: MIQ MILLMAN <[email-masked]>
Cc: shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] shop internet connection

=20

well that is an unusual development... moved the laptop to sit right =
next to the Orbi modem

five speedtest gave me 25-30 mb download and a little less upload with =
latency around45 ms

=20

took it back to the shop sitting next to the satellite and got 50-60 mb =
down and 40-=3D50 up with less latency

=20

so I'm assuming it's just my old slow laptop as ya'll say...just like me =
 old and slow

=20

=20

=20

I've started looking online for refurbed units... I've been using a =
refurbed DELL Optiflex 990 for several years with no problems

they are getting cheaper every day... and I've got room for a small form =
factor and monitor in the shop... might just go that way

=20

=20

   thanks for all the input

john

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Cc: shop-talk <[email-masked] =

  _____ =20

As others have said, the old laptop is probably running within specs.  =
Wifi-BGN is going to peak throughput of about 38-40 mbps.=20

=20

The latest spec for Wifi (aka Wifi-6) is 802.11ax or just AX as a =
designation to differentiate from the past "livingroom" standard of =
802.11ac.

=20

Both of these are overkill for what you want/need, ac peaks at 3.5Gbps, =
and ax peaks at 9.6Gbps.

=20

The Toshiba you have also has a limit of 100 Mbps on the ethernet port =
built in.   So, even if you went with a cheap "hardwire solution" and =
tried to connect a switch to the ethernet port on the Orbi, you would =
still be limited to what the older laptop can manage.

=20

It's also possible that the version Orbi you have is only capable of =
802.11ac, you don't mention which version you have, but they still =
sell/support the older versions, and the price is rather steep for the =
latest versions

=20

Even if you were to replace/upgrade to a usb dongle wifi connection, it =
would be limited to the speed of USB 2.0 and the older bus speeds in the =
Toshiba.  Also not sure that spending $35 on a wifi adapter is the best =
use of funds.... (e.g.  TP-Link AX1800 can plug into a standard USB a =
port, but the laptop would not be able to support the speeds.)

=20

=20

https://a.co/d/am8aVRV

=20

=20

  --Miq

=20

=20

=20

On Thu, Jan 2, 2025 at 10:34=E2=80=AFAM john niolon <[email-masked] =

I'm trying to get better internet connectivity in my detached =
garage/shop.  First tried hardwired cat-5 but it was right at the limit =
for distance and slow and intermittent.  Next went with power line =
adapters and while they were consistent in connection...speed was still =
slower than I wanted...

=20

This Christmas my s-I-l gave me a Orbi mesh system and we installed it =
with no problem putting one satellite box IN the garage and the master =
box sitting on top of my fiber modem hard wired to the modem.

=20

I have 300mb fiber from ATT and the speed is great (350-375 MB) to =
hardwired pc and around 140 mb on ipad in the house or in the garage. =20

I have an older laptop I use in the shop (Toshiba Satellite L875D-st210) =
which is my primary shop machine.  Best speed I can get is 30-40 mb.

=20

I'm wondering if the old laptop has a wireless card that is old and =
slower?  Everything I knew about computers is old and obsolete after 20 =
years out of the business.  Can someone with current knowledge tell me =
if the problem is with an antiquated card in the laptop and is there a =
way to get better wireless speed on the laptop?  or is that just the =
nature of wireless nowadays? BTW the laptop is running windows 7 with no =
options to run win 10.

=20

=20

thanks

John

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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif'>John =E2=80=93 if =
you are going to get a new machine, you might consider a mini-PC [aka =
1-liter machines].<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></s=
pan></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif'>I got a couple of =
these a year ago. My wife is using one as her main machine and it works =
great. I am overusing mine as I run some virtual machines, but it works =
just fine for most tasks. Here is a link to the one I got: <a =
href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09H5961YN/">https://www.amazon=
.com/gp/product/B09H5961YN/</a>=C2=A0 That is now $229 for 16Gb of ram =
and a 500Gb drive and Windows 11 Pro.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></s=
pan></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif'>They also have one =
at $139 with 8Gb + 256=E2=80=A6<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></s=
pan></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif'>Of course you would =
have to provide a mouse, keyboard and monitor =E2=80=93 which a laptop =
would provide built-in =E2=80=93 but if you have those laying around, =
this might work for you without additional =
expense.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></s=
pan></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>-------------=
----------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>All the =
best,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</=
o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Al =
Fuller<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></s=
pan></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 =
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span><=
/b><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> =
Shop-talk &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>john niolon<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 2, 2025 3:22 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> MIQ MILLMAN &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> =
shop-talk &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
[Shop-talk] shop internet connection<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>well that is an unusual =
development... moved the laptop to sit right next to the Orbi =
modem</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>five speedtest gave me 25-30 =
mb download and a little less upload with latency around45 =
ms</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>took =
it back to the shop sitting next to the satellite and got 50-60 mb down =
and 40-=3D50 up with less latency</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>so =
I'm assuming it's just my old slow laptop as ya'll say...just like =
me&nbsp; old and slow</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>My =
Orbi is a model RBR10&nbsp;&nbsp; app =
version2.42.0.56</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif'>firmware version =
v2.7.3.22</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>I've =
started looking online for refurbed units... I've been using a refurbed =
DELL Optiflex 990 for several years with no =
problems</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>they are getting cheaper =
every day... and I've got room for a small form factor and monitor in =
the shop... might just go that way</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>if =
ya'll have any suggestions on the refurbs... I'm all =
ears</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif'>&nbsp;&nbsp; thanks for all the =
input</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif'>john</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #C7E5FF 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:6.0pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'>----- Original Message -----</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'>From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'> MIQ MILLMAN =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'>To:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'> john niolon =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'>Cc:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'> shop-talk =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'>Sent:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'> 1/2/2025 =
3:26:21 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'>Subject:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'> Re: [Shop-talk] =
shop internet connection<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div =
class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><hr =
size=3D1 width=3D"100%" noshade style=3D'color:#CCCCCC' =
align=3Dcenter></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'>As others have =
said, the old laptop is probably running within&nbsp;specs.&nbsp; =
Wifi-BGN is going to peak throughput of about 38-40 mbps. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'>The latest spec for Wifi (aka Wifi-6) is =
802.11ax or just AX as a designation to differentiate from the past =
&quot;livingroom&quot; standard of =
802.11ac.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'>Both of these are overkill for what you =
want/need, ac peaks at 3.5Gbps, and ax peaks at =
9.6Gbps.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'>The Toshiba you have also has a limit of 100 =
Mbps on the ethernet port built in.&nbsp; &nbsp;So, even if you went =
with a cheap &quot;hardwire solution&quot; and tried to connect a switch =
to the ethernet port on the Orbi, you would still be limited to what the =
older laptop&nbsp;can manage.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'>It's also possible that the version Orbi you =
have is only capable of 802.11ac, you don't mention which version you =
have, but they still sell/support the older&nbsp;versions, and the price =
is rather steep for the latest =
versions<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'>Even if you were to replace/upgrade to a usb =
dongle wifi connection, it would be limited to the speed of USB 2.0 and =
the older bus speeds in the Toshiba.&nbsp; Also not sure that spending =
$35 on a wifi adapter is the best use of funds.... (e.g.&nbsp; TP-Link =
AX1800 can plug into a standard USB a port, but the laptop would not be =
able to support the speeds.)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'>If you are on a budget, I would look at =
chromebooks as an option,&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'>here's a not terrible option from Lenovo for =
$250 from the 'zon:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'><a =
href=3D"https://a.co/d/am8aVRV">https://a.co/d/am8aVRV</a><o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'>All that said, most of the world runs just =
fine on 20-30 Mbps.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'>&nbsp; --Miq<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div></div></div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'>On Thu, Jan 2, 2025 at 10:34=E2=80=AFAM john =
niolon &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'>I'm trying to get better internet =
connectivity in my detached garage/shop.&nbsp; First tried hardwired =
cat-5 but it was right at the limit for distance and slow and =
intermittent.&nbsp; Next went with power line adapters and while they =
were consistent in connection...speed was still slower than I =
wanted...<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'>This Christmas my s-I-l gave me a Orbi mesh =
system and we installed it with no problem putting one satellite box IN =
the garage and the master box sitting on top of my fiber modem hard =
wired to the modem.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'>I have 300mb fiber from ATT and the speed is =
great (350-375 MB)&nbsp;to hardwired pc and around 140 mb on ipad in the =
house or in the garage.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'>I have an older laptop I use in the shop =
(Toshiba Satellite L875D-st210) which is my primary shop machine.&nbsp; =
Best speed I can get is 30-40 mb.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'>while the tablet sitting next to it is 140 =
mb+.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'>I'm wondering if the old laptop has a =
wireless card that is old and slower?&nbsp; Everything I knew about =
computers is old and obsolete after 20 years out of the business.&nbsp; =
Can someone with current knowledge tell me if the problem is with an =
antiquated card in the laptop and is there a way to get better wireless =
speed on the laptop?&nbsp; or is that just the nature of wireless =
nowadays? BTW&nbsp;the laptop&nbsp;is running windows 7 with no options =
to run win 10.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'>thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'>John<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
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From: Steve Hochschild <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2025 14:50:10 -0600

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As the sign on the shop wall says: "Speed costs money,  how fast do you
want to go?"

> John =E2=80=93 if you are going to get a new machine, you might consider =
a mini-PC
> [aka 1-liter machines].
>
>
>
> I got a couple of these a year ago. My wife is using one as her main
> machine and it works great. I am overusing mine as I run some virtual
> machines, but it works just fine for most tasks. Here is a link to the on=
e
> I got: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09H5961YN/  That is now $229
> for 16Gb of ram and a 500Gb drive and Windows 11 Pro.
>
>
>
> Of course you would have to provide a mouse, keyboard and monitor =E2=80=
=93 which
> a laptop would provide built-in =E2=80=93 but if you have those laying ar=
ound, this
> might work for you without additional expense.
>
>
>
> *From:* Shop-talk <[email-masked]> *On Behalf Of *john
> niolon
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 2, 2025 3:22 PM
> *To:* MIQ MILLMAN <[email-masked]>
> *Cc:* shop-talk <[email-masked]>
> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] shop internet connection
>
>
>
> well that is an unusual development... moved the laptop to sit right next
> to the Orbi modem
>
> five speedtest gave me 25-30 mb download and a little less upload with
> latency around45 ms
>
>
>
> took it back to the shop sitting next to the satellite and got 50-60 mb
> so I'm assuming it's just my old slow laptop as ya'll say...just like me
> old and slow
>
>
>
> I've started looking online for refurbed units... I've been using a
> they are getting cheaper every day... and I've got room for a small form
> *----- Original Message -----*
>
> *From:* MIQ MILLMAN <[email-masked]>
>
> *To:* john niolon <[email-masked]>
>
> *Cc:* shop-talk <[email-masked]>
>
> *Sent:* 1/2/2025 3:26:21 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Shop-talk] shop internet connection
> ------------------------------
>
> Both of these are overkill for what you want/need, ac peaks at 3.5Gbps,
> and ax peaks at 9.6Gbps.
>
>
>
> built in.   So, even if you went with a cheap "hardwire solution" and tri=
ed
> Toshiba.  Also not sure that spending $35 on a wifi adapter is the best u=
se
> of funds.... (e.g.  TP-Link AX1800 can plug into a standard USB a port, b=
ut
> On Thu, Jan 2, 2025 at 10:34=E2=80=AFAM john niolon <[email-masked]> wro=
or
nd
x
o
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/[email-masked]
>
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<p dir=3D"ltr">As the sign on the shop wall says: &quot;Speed costs money,=
=C2=A0 how fast do you want to go?&quot;</p>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 2, 2025, 7:43 PM  &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:alfulle=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;=
padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" style=
=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div class=3D"m_1045072973198374365WordSection1">=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ap=
tos&quot;,serif">John =E2=80=93 if you are going to get a new machine, you =
might consider a mini-PC [aka 1-liter machines].<u></u><u></u></span></p><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Apto=
s&quot;,serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Aptos&quot;,serif">I got a coup=
le of these a year ago. My wife is using one as her main machine and it wor=
ks great. I am overusing mine as I run some virtual machines, but it works =
just fine for most tasks. Here is a link to the one I got: <a href=3D"https=
://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09H5961YN/" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferr=
er">https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09H5961YN/</a>=C2=A0 That is now $22=
9 for 16Gb of ram and a 500Gb drive and Windows 11 Pro.<u></u><u></u></span=
></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&qu=
ot;Aptos&quot;,serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Aptos&quot;,serif">They =
also have one at $139 with 8Gb + 256=E2=80=A6<u></u><u></u></span></p><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Aptos&q=
uot;,serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Aptos&quot;,serif">Of course you w=
ould have to provide a mouse, keyboard and monitor =E2=80=93 which a laptop=
 would provide built-in =E2=80=93 but if you have those laying around, this=
 might work for you without additional expense.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Aptos=
&quot;,serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">-=
----------------------------------<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans=
-serif">All the best,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"><u></=
u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
1.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Al Fuller<u></u><u></u></=
span></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Aptos&quot;,serif"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><div st=
yle=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in=
"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&qu=
ot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0p=
t;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> Shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>john niolon<br=
><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 2, 2025 3:22 PM<br><b>To:</b> MIQ MILLMAN &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer"=
>[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> shop-talk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sho=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">shop-talk@autox=
.team.net</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] shop internet connecti=
on<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0=
<u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Seg=
oe UI&quot;,sans-serif">well that is an unusual development... moved the la=
ptop to sit right next to the Orbi modem</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,san=
s-serif">five speedtest gave me 25-30 mb download and a little less upload =
with latency around45 ms</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span sty=
le=3D"font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif">took it back to the shop=
 sitting next to the satellite and got 50-60 mb down and 40-=3D50 up with l=
ess latency</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=
=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-=
family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif">so I&#39;m assuming it&#39;s just m=
y old slow laptop as ya&#39;ll say...just like me=C2=A0 old and slow</span>=
<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p=
></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Segoe U=
I&quot;,sans-serif">My Orbi is a model RBR10=C2=A0=C2=A0 app version2.42.0.=
56</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><=
u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quo=
t;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif">firmware version v2.7.3.22</span><u></u><u></u=
></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-=
serif">I&#39;ve started looking online for refurbed units... I&#39;ve been =
using a refurbed DELL Optiflex 990 for several years with no problems</span=
><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif">they are getting cheaper every day...=
 and I&#39;ve got room for a small form factor and monitor in the shop... m=
ight just go that way</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif">if ya&#39;ll have any sugg=
estions on the refurbs... I&#39;m all ears</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><d=
iv><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif">=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 thanks for all the input</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif">=
john</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-=
left:solid #c7e5ff 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:6.0pt;margin=
-right:0in"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-family:&quot=
;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">----- Original Message -----</span>=
</b><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"=
><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=
=3D"font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></=
b><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"> =
MIQ MILLMAN &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=
=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,=
sans-serif;color:black">To:</span></b><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Sego=
e UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"> john niolon &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jniol=
[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<u>=
</u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"f=
ont-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Cc:</span></b><span=
 style=3D"font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"> shop-ta=
lk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D=
"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<u></u><u></u></span></p></div=
><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&q=
uot;,sans-serif;color:black">Sent:</span></b><span style=3D"font-family:&qu=
ot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"> 1/2/2025 3:26:21 PM<u></u><u></u=
></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-family=
:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Subject:</span></b><span styl=
e=3D"font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"> Re: [Shop-ta=
lk] shop internet connection<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div class=3D"Ms=
oNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"text-align:center"><hr size=3D"1" width=
=3D"100%" noshade style=3D"color:#cccccc" align=3D"center"></div><div><div>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans=
-serif;color:black">As others have said, the old laptop is probably running=
 within=C2=A0specs.=C2=A0 Wifi-BGN is going to peak throughput of about 38-=
40 mbps. <u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<=
u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-fami=
ly:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">The latest spec for Wifi (a=
ka Wifi-6) is 802.11ax or just AX as a designation to differentiate from th=
e past &quot;livingroom&quot; standard of 802.11ac.<u></u><u></u></span></p=
></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Segoe U=
I&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:black">Both of these are overkill for what you want/need, ac pe=
aks at 3.5Gbps, and ax peaks at 9.6Gbps.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,san=
s-serif;color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color=
:black">The Toshiba you have also has a limit of 100 Mbps on the ethernet p=
ort built in.=C2=A0 =C2=A0So, even if you went with a cheap &quot;hardwire =
solution&quot; and tried to connect a switch to the ethernet port on the Or=
bi, you would still be limited to what the older laptop=C2=A0can manage.<u>=
</u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font=
-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot=
;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">It&#39;s also possible that the ver=
sion Orbi you have is only capable of 802.11ac, you don&#39;t mention which=
 version you have, but they still sell/support the older=C2=A0versions, and=
 the price is rather steep for the latest versions<u></u><u></u></span></p>=
</div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Segoe UI=
&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-s=
erif;color:black">Even if you were to replace/upgrade to a usb dongle wifi =
connection, it would be limited to the speed of USB 2.0 and the older bus s=
peeds in the Toshiba.=C2=A0 Also not sure that spending $35 on a wifi adapt=
er is the best use of funds.... (e.g.=C2=A0 TP-Link AX1800 can plug into a =
standard USB a port, but the laptop would not be able to support the speeds=
.)<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D=
"font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u><=
/u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:=
&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">If you are on a budget, I woul=
d look at chromebooks as an option,=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><di=
v><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sa=
ns-serif;color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;colo=
r:black">here&#39;s a not terrible option from Lenovo for $250 from the &#3=
9;zon:<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span styl=
e=3D"font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><a href=3D"ht=
tps://a.co/d/am8aVRV" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">https://a.co/d/a=
m8aVRV</a><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fo=
nt-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">All that said, most =
of the world runs just fine on 20-30 Mbps.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><d=
iv><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,s=
ans-serif;color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;c=
olor:black">=C2=A0 --Miq<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><=
u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<=
u></u></span></p></div></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fo=
nt-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u>=
</span></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quo=
t;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">On Thu, Jan 2, 2025 at 10:34=E2=80=
=AFAM john niolon &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank" =
rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p><=
/div><blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;paddi=
ng:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;c=
olor:black">I&#39;m trying to get better internet connectivity in my detach=
ed garage/shop.=C2=A0 First tried hardwired cat-5 but it was right at the l=
imit for distance and slow and intermittent.=C2=A0 Next went with power lin=
e adapters and while they were consistent in connection...speed was still s=
lower than I wanted...<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:blac=
k">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">This Chris=
tmas my s-I-l gave me a Orbi mesh system and we installed it with no proble=
m putting one satellite box IN the garage and the master box sitting on top=
 of my fiber modem hard wired to the modem.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><=
div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,=
sans-serif;color:black">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;c=
olor:black">I have 300mb fiber from ATT and the speed is great (350-375 MB)=
=C2=A0to hardwired pc and around 140 mb on ipad in the house or in the gara=
ge.=C2=A0 <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">I have an=
 older laptop I use in the shop (Toshiba Satellite L875D-st210) which is my=
 primary shop machine.=C2=A0 Best speed I can get is 30-40 mb.<u></u><u></u=
></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&q=
uot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">while the tablet sitting next to=
 it is 140 mb+.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">=C2=
=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">I&#39;m wonder=
ing if the old laptop has a wireless card that is old and slower?=C2=A0 Eve=
rything I knew about computers is old and obsolete after 20 years out of th=
e business.=C2=A0 Can someone with current knowledge tell me if the problem=
 is with an antiquated card in the laptop and is there a way to get better =
wireless speed on the laptop?=C2=A0 or is that just the nature of wireless =
nowadays? BTW=C2=A0the laptop=C2=A0is running windows 7 with no options to =
run win 10.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=
 style=3D"font-family:&quot;Segoe UI&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">=C2=A0<u=
></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fon=
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