Subject: [Shop-talk] password lmanager software

From: "john niolon" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2024 11:20:38 -0500

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From: Pat Horne <[email-masked]>
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I=E2=80=99ve been using LastPass for decades. No problems at all. The passwo=
rds are encoded & stored online & can be shared on windows, apple & smartpho=
nes. Only time I=E2=80=99ve had trouble is when all my internet choices are d=
own @ the same time.=20

Peace, Pat
Pat Horne=20
We support Habitat for Humanity

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<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">recommendations ??</font></div>
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I've been using Dashlane for awhile and it works fine.  It connects with 
a phone, too, altho my phone is too old (as am I).

Mike

On 7/5/24 9:20 AM, john niolon wrote:
> shop content... my tool inventory and all my shop related stuff is on 
> my pc.
> I need cheap... easy to use.... low maintenance... ability for a elder 
> to use
> recommendations ??
> john
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    <p><font size="2" face="Tahoma">I've been using Dashlane for awhile
        and it works fine.  It connects with a phone, too, altho my
        phone is too old (as am I).</font></p>
    <p><font size="2" face="Tahoma">Mike<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/5/24 9:20 AM, john niolon wrote:<br>
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      <div><font face="Segoe UI">shop content... my tool inventory and
          all my shop related stuff is on my pc.</font></div>
      <div> </div>
      <div><font face="Segoe UI">I looking into password manager
          software and am as dumb as a rock...</font></div>
      <div> </div>
      <div><font face="Segoe UI">I need cheap... easy to use.... low
          maintenance... ability for a elder to use</font></div>
      <div> </div>
      <div><font face="Segoe UI">recommendations ??</font></div>
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      <div><font face="Segoe UI">john</font></div>
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As a heads-up, the upcoming standard for online security is/is going to 
be passkeys. I haven't completely wrapped my head around the technology, 
but the gist is a) the passkey is linked to a website, and should 
prevent logging into a spoofed/counterfeit site and b) it's secure, 
encrypted and uses a public/private key exchange. After the passkey is 
established your facescan, fingerprint or passcode would be sufficient 
to log onto enabled sites.

It's already available on some Microsoft, Apple and Google hardware 
(probably others). Note I'm not advocating for this--at least not until 
I totally understand it--but it's coming. Note also that there has been 
a new password hack; supposedly 10 billion passwords are available in 
cleartext for anybody that wants them (for a price, I presume).

https://safety.google/authentication/passkey/

https://www.tomsguide.com/computing/online-security/nearly-10-billion-passwords-stolen-by-hackers-how-to-protect-yourself

> I need cheap... easy to use.... low maintenance... ability for a elder 

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    As a heads-up, the upcoming standard for online security is/is going
    to be passkeys. I haven't completely wrapped my head around the
    technology, but the gist is a) the passkey is linked to a website,
    and should prevent logging into a spoofed/counterfeit site and b)
    it's secure, encrypted and uses a public/private key exchange. After
    the passkey is established your facescan, fingerprint or passcode
    would be sufficient to log onto enabled sites. <br>
    <br>
    It's already available on some Microsoft, Apple and Google hardware
    (probably others). Note I'm not advocating for this--at least not
    until I totally understand it--but it's coming. Note also that there
    has been a new password hack; supposedly 10 billion passwords are
    available in cleartext for anybody that wants them (for a price, I
    presume).<br>
    <br>
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://safety.google/authentication/passkey/">https://safety.google/authentication/passkey/</a><br>
    <br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.tomsguide.com/computing/online-security/nearly-10-billion-passwords-stolen-by-hackers-how-to-protect-yourself">https://www.tomsguide.com/computing/online-security/nearly-10-billion-passwords-stolen-by-hackers-how-to-protect-yourself</a><br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/5/2024 9:20 AM, john niolon wrote:<br>
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      cite="mid:1UhYxm4PBS.5feM59NDO9h@johns-desktop">
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      <div><font face="Segoe UI">shop content... my tool inventory and
          all my shop related stuff is on my pc.</font></div>
      <div> </div>
      <div><font face="Segoe UI">I looking into password manager
          software and am as dumb as a rock...</font></div>
      <div> </div>
      <div><font face="Segoe UI">I need cheap... easy to use.... low
          maintenance... ability for a elder to use</font></div>
      <div> </div>
      <div><font face="Segoe UI">recommendations ??</font></div>
      <div> </div>
      <div><font face="Segoe UI">john</font></div>
      <div> </div>
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I use BitWarden, which I find fairly easy to use. It will store =
passwords, other sensitive info and passkeys (when and especially IF =
they ever gain traction beyond the walled gardens various companies have =
set up).=20

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I used LastPass for many years, but they were hacked and refused to come =
clean about it. Then they were hacked again and a copy of =
everyone=E2=80=99s password vaults were lost =E2=80=93 all the while the =
company again refused to come clean until independent security =
researchers outed them. That wouldn=E2=80=99t be so bad **IF** there had =
been robust encryption protecting them on the server side, but =
alas=E2=80=A6 People=E2=80=99s vaults have been decrypted =E2=80=93 =
starting with the high-value accounts like crypto-currency wallets, etc =
=E2=80=93 leading to massive losses for those folks and massive waste of =
time for the rest of us who had to go through our logins and change the =
passwords again. I currently have 485 logins and 100 secure notes in my =
vault, and shudder to think about having to go in and try to reset any =
substantial portion of them. Again.

=20

Either way, using any of the major password managers to generate long, =
strong passwords is way, way better than using passwords you can =
remember!

=20

-----------------------------------

All the best,

=20

Al Fuller

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From: Shop-talk <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of john =
niolon
Sent: Friday, July 5, 2024 9:21 AM
To: shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Subject: [Shop-talk] password lmanager software

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shop content... my tool inventory and all my shop related stuff is on my =
pc.

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I need cheap... easy to use.... low maintenance... ability for a elder =
to use

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recommendations ??

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john

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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>I use BitWarden, which I find fairly easy to =
use. It will store passwords, other sensitive info and passkeys (when =
and especially IF they ever gain traction beyond the walled gardens =
various companies have set up). <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>I used LastPass for =
many years, but they were hacked and refused to come clean about it. =
Then they were hacked again and a copy of everyone=E2=80=99s password =
vaults were lost =E2=80=93 all the while the company again refused to =
come clean until independent security researchers outed them. That =
wouldn=E2=80=99t be so bad **IF** there had been robust encryption =
protecting them on the server side, but alas=E2=80=A6 People=E2=80=99s =
vaults have been decrypted =E2=80=93 starting with the high-value =
accounts like crypto-currency wallets, etc =E2=80=93 leading to massive =
losses for those folks and massive waste of time for the rest of us who =
had to go through our logins and change the passwords again. I currently =
have 485 logins and 100 secure notes in my vault, and shudder to think =
about having to go in and try to reset any substantial portion of them. =
Again.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Either way, using any =
of the major password managers to generate long, strong passwords is =
way, way better than using passwords you can =
remember!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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----------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>All the =
best,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</=
o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Al =
Fuller<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
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0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span><=
/b><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> =
Shop-talk &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>john niolon<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 5, 2024 9:21 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> shop-talk =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> [Shop-talk] password =
lmanager software<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>shop content... my tool =
inventory and all my shop related stuff is on my =
pc.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>I =
looking into password manager software and am as dumb as a =
rock...</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>I =
need cheap... easy to use.... low maintenance... ability for a elder to =
use</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif'>recommendations ??</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
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John =E2=80=93 you mention a tool inventory=E2=80=A6 Do you use a =
particular database or other program for the inventory?

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All the best,

=20

Al Fuller

=20

From: Shop-talk <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Pat =
Horne
Sent: Friday, July 5, 2024 7:02 PM
To: john niolon <[email-masked]>
Cc: shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] password lmanager software

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I=E2=80=99ve been using LastPass for decades. No problems at all. The =
passwords are encoded & stored online & can be shared on windows, apple =
& smartphones. Only time I=E2=80=99ve had trouble is when all my =
internet choices are down @ the same time.=20

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Peace, Pat

Pat Horne=20

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On Jul 5, 2024, at 8:05=E2=80=AFPM, john niolon <[email-masked] =

=EF=BB=BF=20

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recommendations ??

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john

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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>John =E2=80=93 you mention a tool =
inventory=E2=80=A6 Do you use a particular database or other program for =
the inventory?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>-------------=
----------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>All the =
best,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</=
o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Al =
Fuller<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
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0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span><=
/b><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> =
Shop-talk &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Pat Horne<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 5, 2024 7:02 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
john niolon &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> shop-talk =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] =
password lmanager software<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I=E2=80=99ve =
been using LastPass for decades. No problems at all. The passwords are =
encoded &amp; stored online &amp; can be shared on windows, apple &amp; =
smartphones. Only time I=E2=80=99ve had trouble is when all my internet =
choices are down @ the same time.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Peace, Pat<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Pat =
Horne&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>We support Habitat =
for Humanity<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Jul 5, 2024, at =
8:05<span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>=E2=80=AF</span>PM, =
john niolon &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>=EF=BB=BF</span> =
<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>shop content... my tool =
inventory and all my shop related stuff is on my =
pc.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>I =
looking into password manager software and am as dumb as a =
rock...</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>I =
need cheap... easy to use.... low maintenance... ability for a elder to =
use</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif'>recommendations ??</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif'>john</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
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Hi Al... my inventory is video and still pics as well as a Word document=20
listing each one (a table). Reminds me I need to update it as=20
I've
sold some and given some away to younger relatives.
john
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From: <[email-masked]>
To: 'Pat=20
Horne' <[email-masked]>, 'john niolon' <[email-masked]>
Cc: 'shop-talk' <[email-masked]>
Sent: 7/6/2024 12:08:19 AM
Subject: RE: [Shop-talk] password lmanager software

John =E2=80=93 you mention a tool inventory=E2=80=A6 Do you use a particula=
r database or other program for the inventory?
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All the best,
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Al Fuller
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From: Shop-talk <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Pat Horne
Sent: Friday, July 5, 2024 7:02 PM
To: john niolon <[email-masked]>
Cc: shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] password lmanager software
=20
I=E2=80=99ve been using LastPass for decades. No problems at all. The passw=
ords are encoded & stored online & can be shared on windows, apple & smartp=
hones. Only time I=E2=80=99ve had trouble is when all my internet choices a=
re down @ the same time.=20
=20
Peace, Pat
Pat Horne=20
We support Habitat for Humanity
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tion a tool inventory=E2=80=A6 Do you use a particular database or other pr=
ogram for the inventory?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPA=
N></P>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,sans-serif'>-----------------------------------<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,sans-serif'>All the best,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
,sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"=
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPA=
N></P>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calib=
ri",sans-serif'>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY=
: "Calibri",sans-serif'> Shop-talk &lt;[email-masked]&gt;=
 <B>On Behalf Of </B>Pat Horne<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 5, 2024 7:02 PM=
<BR><B>To:</B> john niolon &lt;[email-masked]&gt;<BR><B>Cc:</B> shop-talk =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Shop-talk] passwor=
d lmanager software<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>I=E2=80=99ve been using LastPass for decades. No probl=
ems at all. The passwords are encoded &amp; stored online &amp; can be shar=
ed on windows, apple &amp; smartphones. Only time I=E2=80=99ve had trouble =
is when all my internet choices are down @ the same time.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p><=
/P>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>Peace, Pat<o:p></o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>Pat Horne&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>We support Habitat for Humanity<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><BR>On Jul 5, 2024, at 8=
:05<SPAN style=3D'FONT-FAMILY: "Arial",sans-serif'>=E2=80=AF</SPAN>PM, john=
 niolon &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</A>&gt; wrot=
e:<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma",sans-serif'>=EF=
=BB=BF</SPAN> <o:p></o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-FAMILY: "Segoe UI",sans-serif'>sho=
p content... my tool inventory and all my shop related stuff is on my pc.</=
SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-FAMILY: "Segoe UI",sans-serif'>I l=
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p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-FAMILY: "Segoe UI",sans-serif'>I n=
eed cheap... easy to use.... low maintenance... ability for a elder to use<=
/SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-FAMILY: "Segoe UI",sans-serif'>rec=
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<P class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D'FONT-FAMILY: "Segoe UI",sans-serif'>joh=
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I approach it a little differently.  Instead of a password manager, I have
a.system of creating passwords that combines a common feature with a series
of modifiers depending on the.type of site and the site itself.   This, I
can always reconstruct the password in my head based on the system.  I keep
a list hidden just in case the method fails, it my heirs need to log into
something.

On Fri, Jul 5, 2024, 21:01 john niolon <[email-masked]> wrote:

> shop content... my tool inventory and all my shop related stuff is on my
> pc.
>
> I need cheap... easy to use.... low maintenance... ability for a elder to
> use
>
> recommendations ??
>
> john
>
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<div dir=3D"auto">I approach it a little differently.=C2=A0 Instead of a pa=
ssword manager, I have a.system of creating passwords that combines a commo=
n feature with a series of modifiers depending on the.type of site and the =
site itself.=C2=A0 =C2=A0This, I can always reconstruct the password in my =
head based on the system.=C2=A0 I keep a list hidden just in case the metho=
d fails, it my heirs need to log into something.</div><br><div class=3D"gma=
il_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 5, 2024, 21:01 =
john niolon &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8e=
x;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">shop content... my tool inventory and all my s=
hop related stuff is on my pc.</font></div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">I looking into password manager software and a=
m as dumb as a rock...</font></div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">I need cheap... easy to use.... low maintenanc=
e... ability for a elder to use</font></div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">recommendations ??</font></div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">john</font></div>
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The cybersecurity guys I worked with suggested Keeper Security because it
is a zero knowledge technology (explanation below), which makes it much
harder to steal passwords.  I=E2=80=99ve used it for a few years without is=
sue.

https://www.keepersecurity.com/resources/zero-knowledge-for-ultimate-passwo=
rd-security.html

- Ian

> I need cheap... easy to use.... low maintenance... ability for a elder to

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<div dir=3D"auto">The cybersecurity guys I worked with suggested Keeper Sec=
urity because it is a zero knowledge technology (explanation below), which =
makes it much harder to steal passwords.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve used it for a f=
ew years without issue.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">=
<div><a href=3D"https://www.keepersecurity.com/resources/zero-knowledge-for=
-ultimate-password-security.html">https://www.keepersecurity.com/resources/=
zero-knowledge-for-ultimate-password-security.html</a></div><br></div><div =
dir=3D"auto">- Ian<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"=
gmail_attr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr"><br></div><bloc=
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c solid;padding-left:1ex" dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"auto">=
<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><br></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Jul 5, 2024, =
at 8:05=E2=80=AFPM, john niolon &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" targ=
et=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=
=EF=BB=BF

<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">shop content... my tool inventory and all my s=
hop related stuff is on my pc.</font></div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">I looking into password manager software and a=
m as dumb as a rock...</font></div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">I need cheap... easy to use.... low maintenanc=
e... ability for a elder to use</font></div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">recommendations ??</font></div>
<div>=C2=A0</div></div></div></div>
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Same here =E2=80=93 I suspect most of us are using the same basic =
process!

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All the best,

=20

Al Fuller

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From: john niolon <[email-masked]>=20
Sent: Saturday, July 6, 2024 5:16 AM
To: [email-masked]; shop-talk <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] password lmanager software

=20

Hi Al... my inventory is video and still pics as well as a Word document =
listing each one (a table). Reminds me I need to update it as I've

john

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All the best,

=20

Al Fuller

=20

From: Shop-talk <[email-masked] =
Sent: Friday, July 5, 2024 7:02 PM
Cc: shop-talk <[email-masked] =
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] password lmanager software

=20

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Peace, Pat

Pat Horne=20

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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Same here =E2=80=93 I suspect most of us are =
using the same basic process!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>-------------=
----------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>All the =
best,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</=
o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Al =
Fuller<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span><=
/b><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> =
john niolon &lt;[email-masked]&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, July 6, =
2024 5:16 AM<br><b>To:</b> [email-masked]; shop-talk =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] =
password lmanager software<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>Hi Al... my inventory is =
video and still pics as well as a Word document listing each one (a =
table). Reminds me I need to update it as =
I've</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif'>sold some and given some =
away to younger relatives.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif'>john</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #C7E5FF 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:6.0pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'>----- Original Message -----</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'>From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'> &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'>To:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'> 'Pat Horne' =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;, =
'john niolon' &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'>Cc:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'> 'shop-talk' =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'>Sent:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'> 7/6/2024 =
12:08:19 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'>Subject:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:black'> RE: [Shop-talk] =
password lmanager software<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div =
class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><hr =
size=3D1 width=3D"100%" noshade style=3D'color:#CCCCCC' =
align=3Dcenter></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>John =E2=80=93 you mention a tool =
inventory=E2=80=A6 Do you use a particular database or other program for =
the inventory?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><=
p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>-=
----------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>A=
ll the best,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><=
o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>A=
l Fuller<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><=
div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt =
0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>F=
rom:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> =
Shop-talk &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">shop-talk-bounces@autox.=
team.net</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Pat Horne<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, =
July 5, 2024 7:02 PM<br><b>To:</b> john niolon &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> =
shop-talk &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=
<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Shop-talk] password lmanager =
software<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>I=E2=80=99ve been using =
LastPass for decades. No problems at all. The passwords are encoded =
&amp; stored online &amp; can be shared on windows, apple &amp; =
smartphones. Only time I=E2=80=99ve had trouble is when all my internet =
choices are down @ the same time.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>Peace, =
Pat<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>Pat Horne&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>We support Habitat for =
Humanity<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'color:black'><br>On Jul 5, 2024, at 8:05</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>=E2=80=AF</span><spa=
n style=3D'color:black'>PM, john niolon &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>=EF=BB=BF</span><sp=
an style=3D'color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'>shop content... my tool inventory and all my =
shop related stuff is on my pc.</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'>I looking into password manager software and =
am as dumb as a rock...</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'>I need cheap... easy to use.... low =
maintenance... ability for a elder to use</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
UI",sans-serif;color:black'>recommendations ??</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe =
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style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p =
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Sorry to arrive late to this discussion, but it's been a busy summer!

In my opinion as an IT/security engineer, password managers are mandatory.
It's a perfect example of "Never send a man to do a machine's job." Our
brains aren't adapted to randomness, which is needed with good security
practice.

I also used LastPass for years (they had a "free" version that made them
attractive, but it also made them a big target).As explained earlier, they
failed to keep the trust of their users by not disclosing their breaches,
so I've migrated from them to 1Password. I've been very happy with it, and
have found it highly reliable.
I don't like using the browser password managers, as I haven't found them
to be sufficiently secure. 1Password does handle Passkeys as well. It also
reminds you to update passwords that have been exposed in a breach, and has
a very good password generator.
I've looked at BitWarden (they have a self-hosted version), but haven't had
enough time to give it a run through.

-Peter

On Sat, Jul 6, 2024 at 8:30=E2=80=AFPM Donald H Locker <dhlocker@protonmail=
.com>
wrote:

> Hello, John.
>
> I use KeePass (keepass.info) on my laptop running Ubuntu 18.04; it's also
> available for Apple and Micrisoft operating systems. Very easy to set up;
> good security (if you use a good password for the database file); easy to
> use; room for notes as well as login id, password, associated websites, a=
nd
> a very good password generator.
>
> HTH,
> Donald.
> On 2024-07-05 12:20, john niolon wrote:
>
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/[email-masked]
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Sorry to arrive late to this discussion, but it&#39;s been=
 a busy summer!<div><br></div><div>In my opinion as an IT/security engineer=
, password managers are mandatory. It&#39;s a perfect example of &quot;Neve=
r send a man to do a machine&#39;s job.&quot; Our brains aren&#39;t adapted=
 to randomness, which is needed with good security practice.</div><div><br>=
</div><div>I also used LastPass for years (they had a &quot;free&quot; vers=
ion that made them attractive, but it also made them a big target).As expla=
ined earlier, they failed to keep the trust of their users by not disclosin=
g their breaches, so I&#39;ve migrated from them to 1Password. I&#39;ve bee=
n very happy with it, and have found it highly reliable.=C2=A0</div><div>I =
don&#39;t like using the browser password managers, as I haven&#39;t found =
them to be sufficiently secure. 1Password does handle Passkeys as well. It =
also reminds you to update passwords that have been exposed in a breach, an=
d has a very good password generator.</div><div>I&#39;ve looked at BitWarde=
n (they have a self-hosted version), but haven&#39;t had enough time to giv=
e it a run through.</div><div><br></div><div>-Peter</div></div><br><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Jul 6, 202=
4 at 8:30=E2=80=AFPM Donald H Locker &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dhlocker@protonm=
ail.com">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=
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b(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
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  <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">
    <p>Hello, John.</p>
    <p>I use KeePass (<a href=3D"https://keepass.info/" target=3D"_blank">k=
eepass.info</a>)
      on my laptop running Ubuntu 18.04; it&#39;s also available for Apple
      and Micrisoft operating systems. Very easy to set up; good
      security (if you use a good password for the database file); easy
      to use; room for notes as well as login id, password, associated
      websites, and a very good password generator.<br>
    </p>
    <p>HTH,<br>
      Donald.<br>
    </p>
    <div>On 2024-07-05 12:20, john niolon wrote:<br>
    </div>
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      <div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">shop content... my tool inventory and
          all my shop related stuff is on my pc.</font></div>
      <div>=C2=A0</div>
      <div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">I looking into password manager
          software and am as dumb as a rock...</font></div>
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      <div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">I need cheap... easy to use.... low
          maintenance... ability for a elder to use</font></div>
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      <div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">recommendations ??</font></div>
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      <div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">john</font></div>
      <div>=C2=A0</div>
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