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shop content... my tool inventory and all my s= hop related stuff is on my pc.
 
I looking into password manager software and a= m as dumb as a rock...
 
I need cheap... easy to use.... low maintenanc= e... ability for a elder to use
 
recommendations ??
 
john
 
--------------060400010201010803020101-- --===============7310257062136624722== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============7310257062136624722==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 5 20:54:05 2024 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0FD8A08EC for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2024 20:54:05 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from pv50p00im-tydg10021701.me.com (unknown [17.58.6.54]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6001AA08D7 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2024 20:02:54 -0600 (MDT) s=1a1hai; t=1720231350; bh=YF4X05WmYZptMim9/MF+DyKcIpuCB2DcQvcJBomhyKw=; h=Content-Type:From:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To; b=ooexHcBxxgEySkXB9Egty1Smn/1r2QNqSUR6XBQOceJB3+D2H8kyUPBDGhvSg+cwR EKYig5LagdF747R0Xnr0Hy0Rnst5veF+7zEWUb2EGmgnt5dXjMih1D4GO9p5MzQSfN AlhvAsgdmvVBK2vZC2ewi/Ocu29iMIdtzwtjKNuKrAJauTqYEKyQmYKVEeN+aiDum3 2LFjJPq9V4rI4TiocdOhZVFwlkd+N+N+CGg7BK0oSQyoi8eFnro63alh9qNRDp3RCH +dA43bJ56ePwgk2sdaqVAwAIZ8uKOsVOjZC9iCpGJt4OzsROLpNenq13KNookInf4c AL4zYDfnHuLJA== Received: from smtpclient.apple (pv50p00im-dlb-asmtp-mailmevip.me.com [17.56.9.10]) by pv50p00im-tydg10021701.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5E5C73A11C0; Sat, 6 Jul 2024 02:02:28 +0000 (UTC) From: Pat Horne Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2024 21:02:14 -0500 References: <1UhYxm4PBS.5feM59NDO9h@johns-desktop> To: john niolon engine=ICAP:2.0.272,Aquarius:18.0.1039,Hydra:6.0.680,FMLib:17.12.28.16 definitions=2024-07-05_18,2024-07-05_01,2024-05-17_01 phishscore=0 malwarescore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.19.0-2308100000 definitions=main-2407060014 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] password lmanager software Cc: shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============2863403150762309219== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-5A03B1A8-A7BF-4D27-8044-36814D79F774 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=E2=80=99ve been using LastPass for decades. No problems at all. The passwo= rds are encoded & stored online & can be shared on windows, apple & smartpho= nes. Only time I=E2=80=99ve had trouble is when all my internet choices are d= own @ the same time.=20 Peace, Pat Pat Horne=20 We support Habitat for Humanity On Jul 5, 2024, at 8:05=E2=80=AFPM, john niolon wrote: =EF=BB=BF shop content... my tool inventory and all my shop related stuff is on my pc.= =20 I looking into password manager software and am as dumb as a rock... =20 I need cheap... easy to use.... low maintenance... ability for a elder to us= e =20 recommendations ?? =20 john =20 _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archi= ve as@icloud.com --Apple-Mail-5A03B1A8-A7BF-4D27-8044-36814D79F774 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=E2=80=99ve been using LastPass for decade= s. No problems at all. The passwords are encoded & stored online & c= an be shared on windows, apple & smartphones. Only time I=E2=80=99ve had= trouble is when all my internet choices are down @ the same time. 
Peace, Pat
Pat Horne 
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I looking into password manager software and am= as dumb as a rock...
 
I need cheap... easy to use.... low maintenance= ... ability for a elder to use
 
recommendations ??
 
john
 
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--===============4916955909872321709==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 5 21:30:33 2024 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A753A08D8 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2024 21:30:33 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resqmta-c2p-570502.sys.comcast.net (unknown [96.102.19.34]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6146DA0827 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2024 21:12:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-c2p-555922.sys.comcast.net ([96.102.18.230]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 256/256 bits) (Client did not present a certificate) by resqmta-c2p-570502.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPS id PvnKsqvHoHW7wPvqDsM8Wi; Sat, 06 Jul 2024 03:12:01 +0000 s=20190202a; t=1720235521; bh=CxdMbbj1vJzQ5ZuNAJUx3FMLcFJd7Z1fasx+2WfgXJ4=; h=Received:Received:Content-Type:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version: Subject:To:From:Xfinity-Spam-Result; 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U/Rg8k8mJBH9LvO/WuqQkz5hkWGbgySMHJ/H3AheFXW96GpNSbwKtuDbI7n6g29gCb/1xULEGbhn2NsC7XnrEsHvqLEVzPr5iDrJAHRPJWSbn8xTyUQ7yVCr /A1jzDCKybsZOAJ8KIBm1mrubhaNJhIrxgCdMkI458sw8n7nKL6I1eSlkcQw8Kdk43dhz6rWHdM3TmK1aR5ung== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] password lmanager software Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============3499777256056431323== boundary="------------JiATYVA6p1tcctRznloQn05Z" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------JiATYVA6p1tcctRznloQn05Z Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I've been using Dashlane for awhile and it works fine.  It connects with a phone, too, altho my phone is too old (as am I). Mike On 7/5/24 9:20 AM, john niolon wrote: > shop content... my tool inventory and all my shop related stuff is on > my pc. > I looking into password manager software and am as dumb as a rock... > I need cheap... easy to use.... low maintenance... ability for a elder > to use > recommendations ?? > john > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/phoenix722@comcast.net > --------------JiATYVA6p1tcctRznloQn05Z Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

I've been using Dashlane for awhile and it works fine.  It connects with a phone, too, altho my phone is too old (as am I).

Mike

On 7/5/24 9:20 AM, john niolon wrote:
shop content... my tool inventory and all my shop related stuff is on my pc.
 
I looking into password manager software and am as dumb as a rock...
 
I need cheap... easy to use.... low maintenance... ability for a elder to use
 
recommendations ??
 
john
 

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--------------JiATYVA6p1tcctRznloQn05Z-- --===============3499777256056431323== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============3499777256056431323==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Fri Jul 5 22:21:08 2024 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8908A063E for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2024 22:21:08 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resdmta-c2p-566137.sys.comcast.net (unknown [96.102.19.44]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C49EFA0695 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2024 22:16:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-c2p-555921.sys.comcast.net ([96.102.18.229]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 256/256 bits) (Client did not present a certificate) by resdmta-c2p-566137.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPS id PwjFsrKlfAKPiPwqZsFiiZ; Sat, 06 Jul 2024 04:16:27 +0000 s=20190202a; t=1720239387; bh=G6f6H/rSfAeA+AN6AjRU34ZABSi0GBp5lFBQQdlqDxo=; h=Received:Received:Content-Type:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version: Subject:To:From:Xfinity-Spam-Result; b=s8n4DjnmN8Na8y6WCQ+wtIphpo9z+Aydx0o9TNdrGR4THT2/b5ucOsnpvSjyfpLgD t68R0/j/5nLyrPs+SC+5jB9PKhgVYberxDBDJp2As302OA0SuNzp0BBxG6DpUkQ710 HhzIP4bdLSwsckCQj9zpX5zLDUC0OImlwdtd5FI4xxJ+1KNXoJihvSkTPU+MoPISc6 UjdvwdE7CoNCgCIWyLAbilHixklqrqz+kKn87dMq3xgWkYUV2aEr8THzSbvc+erCkZ jiDh0wOMFSYq5aFl6PuUhc23zPcqYbwFg+/B/uvKY6KhSqfyT4nRVdYW+DO6hTKv+J Bm+4j7woOeQSg== Received: from [192.168.1.123] ([104.153.206.37]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 256/256 bits) (Client did not present a certificate) by resomta-c2p-555921.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPSA id Pwq6sXTMsNwzHPwq7smUXI; Sat, 06 Jul 2024 04:16:04 +0000 Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2024 21:15:59 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: <1UhYxm4PBS.5feM59NDO9h.ref@johns-desktop> <1UhYxm4PBS.5feM59NDO9h@johns-desktop> Content-Language: en-US From: Bob Spidell DnnYxzp1HWMvuZsLVPqJ077brTmQB0yrPPkcA5Q5wpbNZDrnb25DOm1oHzNQQux8tpWrIVspJEnKGVxITw+geL/KMEGtJEcI2Ug= Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] password lmanager software Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============2596813489951175807== boundary="------------RhZNq7HpScfUJ65DR57SfzJR" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------RhZNq7HpScfUJ65DR57SfzJR Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As a heads-up, the upcoming standard for online security is/is going to be passkeys. I haven't completely wrapped my head around the technology, but the gist is a) the passkey is linked to a website, and should prevent logging into a spoofed/counterfeit site and b) it's secure, encrypted and uses a public/private key exchange. After the passkey is established your facescan, fingerprint or passcode would be sufficient to log onto enabled sites. It's already available on some Microsoft, Apple and Google hardware (probably others). Note I'm not advocating for this--at least not until I totally understand it--but it's coming. Note also that there has been a new password hack; supposedly 10 billion passwords are available in cleartext for anybody that wants them (for a price, I presume). https://safety.google/authentication/passkey/ https://www.tomsguide.com/computing/online-security/nearly-10-billion-passwords-stolen-by-hackers-how-to-protect-yourself On 7/5/2024 9:20 AM, john niolon wrote: > shop content... my tool inventory and all my shop related stuff is on > my pc. > I looking into password manager software and am as dumb as a rock... > I need cheap... easy to use.... low maintenance... ability for a elder > to use > recommendations ?? > john --------------RhZNq7HpScfUJ65DR57SfzJR Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit As a heads-up, the upcoming standard for online security is/is going to be passkeys. I haven't completely wrapped my head around the technology, but the gist is a) the passkey is linked to a website, and should prevent logging into a spoofed/counterfeit site and b) it's secure, encrypted and uses a public/private key exchange. After the passkey is established your facescan, fingerprint or passcode would be sufficient to log onto enabled sites.

It's already available on some Microsoft, Apple and Google hardware (probably others). Note I'm not advocating for this--at least not until I totally understand it--but it's coming. Note also that there has been a new password hack; supposedly 10 billion passwords are available in cleartext for anybody that wants them (for a price, I presume).

https://safety.google/authentication/passkey/

https://www.tomsguide.com/computing/online-security/nearly-10-billion-passwords-stolen-by-hackers-how-to-protect-yourself


On 7/5/2024 9:20 AM, john niolon wrote:
shop content... my tool inventory and all my shop related stuff is on my pc.
 
I looking into password manager software and am as dumb as a rock...
 
I need cheap... easy to use.... low maintenance... ability for a elder to use
 
recommendations ??
 
john
 

    

    

  


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I use BitWarden, which I find fairly easy to use. It will store =
passwords, other sensitive info and passkeys (when and especially IF =
they ever gain traction beyond the walled gardens various companies have =
set up).=20

=20

I used LastPass for many years, but they were hacked and refused to come =
clean about it. Then they were hacked again and a copy of =
everyone=E2=80=99s password vaults were lost =E2=80=93 all the while the =
company again refused to come clean until independent security =
researchers outed them. That wouldn=E2=80=99t be so bad **IF** there had =
been robust encryption protecting them on the server side, but =
alas=E2=80=A6 People=E2=80=99s vaults have been decrypted =E2=80=93 =
starting with the high-value accounts like crypto-currency wallets, etc =
=E2=80=93 leading to massive losses for those folks and massive waste of =
time for the rest of us who had to go through our logins and change the =
passwords again. I currently have 485 logins and 100 secure notes in my =
vault, and shudder to think about having to go in and try to reset any =
substantial portion of them. Again.

=20

Either way, using any of the major password managers to generate long, =
strong passwords is way, way better than using passwords you can =
remember!

=20

-----------------------------------

All the best,

=20

Al Fuller

=20

From: Shop-talk  On Behalf Of john =
niolon
Sent: Friday, July 5, 2024 9:21 AM
To: shop-talk 
Subject: [Shop-talk] password lmanager software

=20

shop content... my tool inventory and all my shop related stuff is on my =
pc.

=20

I looking into password manager software and am as dumb as a rock...

=20

I need cheap... easy to use.... low maintenance... ability for a elder =
to use

=20

recommendations ??

=20

john

=20


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I use BitWarden, which I find fairly easy to =
use. It will store passwords, other sensitive info and passkeys (when =
and especially IF they ever gain traction beyond the walled gardens =
various companies have set up). 
 
I used LastPass for =
many years, but they were hacked and refused to come clean about it. =
Then they were hacked again and a copy of everyone=E2=80=99s password =
vaults were lost =E2=80=93 all the while the company again refused to =
come clean until independent security researchers outed them. That =
wouldn=E2=80=99t be so bad **IF** there had been robust encryption =
protecting them on the server side, but alas=E2=80=A6 People=E2=80=99s =
vaults have been decrypted =E2=80=93 starting with the high-value =
accounts like crypto-currency wallets, etc =E2=80=93 leading to massive =
losses for those folks and massive waste of time for the rest of us who =
had to go through our logins and change the passwords again. I currently =
have 485 logins and 100 secure notes in my vault, and shudder to think =
about having to go in and try to reset any substantial portion of them. =
Again.
 
Either way, using any =
of the major password managers to generate long, strong passwords is =
way, way better than using passwords you can =
remember!
 
-------------=
----------------------
All the =
best,
 
Al =
Fuller
 
From:<=
/b> =
Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of =
john niolon
Sent: Friday, July 5, 2024 9:21 =
AM
To: shop-talk =
<shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: [Shop-talk] password =
lmanager software
 
shop content... my tool =
inventory and all my shop related stuff is on my =
pc.
 
I =
looking into password manager software and am as dumb as a =
rock...
 
I =
need cheap... easy to use.... low maintenance... ability for a elder to =
use
 
recommendations ??
 
john
 

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John =E2=80=93 you mention a tool inventory=E2=80=A6 Do you use a =
particular database or other program for the inventory?

=20

-----------------------------------

All the best,

=20

Al Fuller

=20

From: Shop-talk  On Behalf Of Pat =
Horne
Sent: Friday, July 5, 2024 7:02 PM
To: john niolon 
Cc: shop-talk 
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] password lmanager software

=20

I=E2=80=99ve been using LastPass for decades. No problems at all. The =
passwords are encoded & stored online & can be shared on windows, apple =
& smartphones. Only time I=E2=80=99ve had trouble is when all my =
internet choices are down @ the same time.=20

=20

Peace, Pat

Pat Horne=20

We support Habitat for Humanity

=20


On Jul 5, 2024, at 8:05=E2=80=AFPM, john niolon 
John =E2=80=93 you mention a tool =
inventory=E2=80=A6 Do you use a particular database or other program for =
the inventory?
 
-------------=
----------------------
All the =
best,
 
Al =
Fuller
 
From:<=
/b> =
Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of =
Pat Horne
Sent: Friday, July 5, 2024 7:02 PM
To: =
john niolon <jniolon@att.net>
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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] =
password lmanager software
 
I=E2=80=99ve =
been using LastPass for decades. No problems at all. The passwords are =
encoded & stored online & can be shared on windows, apple & =
smartphones. Only time I=E2=80=99ve had trouble is when all my internet =
choices are down @ the same time. 
 
Peace, Pat
Pat =
Horne 
We support Habitat =
for Humanity
 

On Jul 5, 2024, at =
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john niolon <jniolon@att.net> =
wrote:
=EF=BB=BF =

shop content... my tool =
inventory and all my shop related stuff is on my =
pc.
 
I =
looking into password manager software and am as dumb as a =
rock...
 
I =
need cheap... easy to use.... low maintenance... ability for a elder to =
use
 
recommendations ??
 
john
 
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Hi Al... my inventory is video and still pics as well as a Word document=20
listing each one (a table). Reminds me I need to update it as=20
I've
sold some and given some away to younger relatives.
john
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----- Original Message -----
From: 
To: 'Pat=20
Horne' , 'john niolon' 
Cc: 'shop-talk' 
Sent: 7/6/2024 12:08:19 AM
Subject: RE: [Shop-talk] password lmanager software



John =E2=80=93 you mention a tool inventory=E2=80=A6 Do you use a particula=
r database or other program for the inventory?
=20
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All the best,
=20
Al Fuller
=20
From: Shop-talk  On Behalf Of Pat Horne
Sent: Friday, July 5, 2024 7:02 PM
To: john niolon 
Cc: shop-talk 
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] password lmanager software
=20
I=E2=80=99ve been using LastPass for decades. No problems at all. The passw=
ords are encoded & stored online & can be shared on windows, apple & smartp=
hones. Only time I=E2=80=99ve had trouble is when all my internet choices a=
re down @ the same time.=20
=20
Peace, Pat
Pat Horne=20
We support Habitat for Humanity
=20

On Jul 5, 2024, at 8:05=E2=80=AFPM, john niolon  wrote:
=EF=BB=BF=20
shop content... my tool inventory and all my shop related stuff is on my pc=
=2E
=20
I looking into password manager software and am as dumb as a rock...
=20
I need cheap... easy to use.... low maintenance... ability for a elder to u=
se
=20
recommendations ??
=20
john
=20
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Hi Al... my inventory is video and still pics =
as well as a Word document listing each one (a table). Reminds me I need to=
 update it as I've


sold some and given some away to younger relat=
ives.


john


 




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----- Original Message -----



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To: 'Pat Horne' <patintexas=
@icloud.com>, 'john niolon' <j=
niolon@att.net>


=
Cc: 'shop-talk' <shop-ta=
lk@autox.team.net>


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Sent: 7/6/2024 12:08:19 AM


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Subject: RE: [Shop-talk] password lmanager software












John =E2=80=93 you men=
tion a tool inventory=E2=80=A6 Do you use a particular database or other pr=
ogram for the inventory?


 




-----------------------------------


All the best,


 


Al Fuller


 






From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net>=
 On Behalf Of Pat Horne
Sent: Friday, July 5, 2024 7:02 PM=

To: john niolon <jniolon@att.net>
Cc: shop-talk =
<shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] passwor=
d lmanager software


 


I=E2=80=99ve been using LastPass for decades. No probl=
ems at all. The passwords are encoded & stored online & can be shar=
ed on windows, apple & smartphones. Only time I=E2=80=99ve had trouble =
is when all my internet choices are down @ the same time. <=
/P>



 




Peace, Pat




Pat Horne 




We support Habitat for Humanity




 





On Jul 5, 2024, at 8=
:05=E2=80=AFPM, john=
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=BB=BF 




sho=
p content... my tool inventory and all my shop related stuff is on my pc.




 




I l=
ooking into password manager software and am as dumb as a rock...




 




I n=
eed cheap... easy to use.... low maintenance... ability for a elder to use<=
/SPAN>




 




rec=
ommendations ??




 




joh=
n




 


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Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2024 11:18:29 -0400
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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] password lmanager software
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I approach it a little differently.  Instead of a password manager, I have
a.system of creating passwords that combines a common feature with a series
of modifiers depending on the.type of site and the site itself.   This, I
can always reconstruct the password in my head based on the system.  I keep
a list hidden just in case the method fails, it my heirs need to log into
something.

On Fri, Jul 5, 2024, 21:01 john niolon  wrote:

> shop content... my tool inventory and all my shop related stuff is on my
> pc.
>
> I looking into password manager software and am as dumb as a rock...
>
> I need cheap... easy to use.... low maintenance... ability for a elder to
> use
>
> recommendations ??
>
> john
>
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I approach it a little differently.=C2=A0 Instead of a pa=
ssword manager, I have a.system of creating passwords that combines a commo=
n feature with a series of modifiers depending on the.type of site and the =
site itself.=C2=A0 =C2=A0This, I can always reconstruct the password in my =
head based on the system.=C2=A0 I keep a list hidden just in case the metho=
d fails, it my heirs need to log into something.

On Fri, Jul 5, 2024, 21:01 =
john niolon <jniolon@att.net> =
wrote:





shop content... my tool inventory and all my s=
hop related stuff is on my pc.


=C2=A0


I looking into password manager software and a=
m as dumb as a rock...


=C2=A0


I need cheap... easy to use.... low maintenanc=
e... ability for a elder to use


=C2=A0


recommendations ??


=C2=A0


john


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From: Ian McFetridge 
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2024 11:19:49 -0400
To: john niolon 
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] password lmanager software
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The cybersecurity guys I worked with suggested Keeper Security because it
is a zero knowledge technology (explanation below), which makes it much
harder to steal passwords.  I=E2=80=99ve used it for a few years without is=
sue.

https://www.keepersecurity.com/resources/zero-knowledge-for-ultimate-passwo=
rd-security.html

- Ian



>
> On Jul 5, 2024, at 8:05=E2=80=AFPM, john niolon  wrote:
>
> =EF=BB=BF
> shop content... my tool inventory and all my shop related stuff is on my
> pc.
>
> I looking into password manager software and am as dumb as a rock...
>
> I need cheap... easy to use.... low maintenance... ability for a elder to
> use
>
> recommendations ??
>
>

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The cybersecurity guys I worked with suggested Keeper Sec=
urity because it is a zero knowledge technology (explanation below), which =
makes it much harder to steal passwords.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve used it for a f=
ew years without issue.

- Ian


=



On Jul 5, 2024, =
at 8:05=E2=80=AFPM, john niolon <jniolon@att.net> wrote:

=
=EF=BB=BF



shop content... my tool inventory and all my s=
hop related stuff is on my pc.


=C2=A0


I looking into password manager software and a=
m as dumb as a rock...


=C2=A0


I need cheap... easy to use.... low maintenanc=
e... ability for a elder to use


=C2=A0


recommendations ??


=C2=A0




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Same here =E2=80=93 I suspect most of us are using the same basic =
process!

=20

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All the best,

=20

Al Fuller

=20

From: john niolon =20
Sent: Saturday, July 6, 2024 5:16 AM
To: alfuller194@gmail.com; shop-talk 
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] password lmanager software

=20

Hi Al... my inventory is video and still pics as well as a Word document =
listing each one (a table). Reminds me I need to update it as I've

sold some and given some away to younger relatives.

john

=20

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Cc: 'shop-talk' 
Same here =E2=80=93 I suspect most of us are =
using the same basic process!
 
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All the =
best,
 
Al =
Fuller
 
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Sent: Saturday, July 6, =
2024 5:16 AM
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Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] =
password lmanager software
 
Hi Al... my inventory is =
video and still pics as well as a Word document listing each one (a =
table). Reminds me I need to update it as =
I've
sold some and given some =
away to younger relatives.
john
 
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John =E2=80=93 you mention a tool =
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software
 
I=E2=80=99ve been using =
LastPass for decades. No problems at all. The passwords are encoded =
& stored online & can be shared on windows, apple & =
smartphones. Only time I=E2=80=99ve had trouble is when all my internet =
choices are down @ the same time. 
 
Peace, =
Pat
Pat Horne 
We support Habitat for =
Humanity
 

On Jul 5, 2024, at 8:05=E2=80=AFPM, john niolon <jniolon@att.net> =
wrote:
=EF=BB=BF 
shop content... my tool inventory and all my =
shop related stuff is on my pc.
 
I looking into password manager software and =
am as dumb as a rock...
 
I need cheap... easy to use.... low =
maintenance... ability for a elder to use
 
recommendations ??
 
john
 
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+1 for Jeff=E2=80=99s suggestion. I am transitioning from KeePass (excellent=
 pw manager) to a system used by Google employees. Create a sentence you=E2=80=
=99ll remember, select the leading letters of each word, add a special chara=
cter as the string terminator. Then for each pw required, add characters uni=
que/meaningful for that site. You still have to remember the site-specific c=
haracters tho. =20

=E2=80=94
jim    W4BEA
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> On Jul 6, 2024, at 11:35 AM, Jeff Scarbrough  wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> I approach it a little differently.  Instead of a password manager, I have=
 a.system of creating passwords that combines a common feature with a series=
 of modifiers depending on the.type of site and the site itself.   This, I c=
an always reconstruct the password in my head based on the system.  I keep a=
 list hidden just in case the method fails, it my heirs need to log into som=
ething.
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>> On Fri, Jul 5, 2024, 21:01 john niolon  wrote:
>> shop content... my tool inventory and all my shop related stuff is on my p=
c.
>> =20
>> I looking into password manager software and am as dumb as a rock...
>> =20
>> I need cheap... easy to use.... low maintenance... ability for a elder to=
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>> =20
>> recommendations ??
>> =20
>> john
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+1 for Jeff=E2=80=99s suggestion. I am tran=
sitioning from KeePass (excellent pw manager) to a system used by Google emp=
loyees. Create a sentence you=E2=80=99ll remember, select the leading letter=
s of each word, add a special character as the string terminator. Then for e=
ach pw required, add characters unique/meaningful for that site. You still h=
ave to remember the site-specific characters tho.  

=E2=80=94
jim    W4BEA
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y iPhone7

On Jul 6, 2024=
, at 11:35 AM, Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail.com> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
I approach it a little differently.  Instead of a password ma=
nager, I have a.system of creating passwords that combines a common feature w=
ith a series of modifiers depending on the.type of site and the site itself.=
   This, I can always reconstruct the password in my head based on=
 the system.  I keep a list hidden just in case the method fails, it my=
 heirs need to log into something.

On Fri, Jul 5, 2024, 21:01 john niolon <<=
a href=3D"mailto:jniolon@att.net">jniolon@att.net> wrote:





shop content... my tool inventory and all my sh=
op related stuff is on my pc.


 


I looking into password manager software and am=
 as dumb as a rock...


 


I need cheap... easy to use.... low maintenance=
... ability for a elder to use


 


recommendations ??


 


john


 
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Jeff, I used to do that years ago, before g=
oing to LastPass. The only problem I had with it was when I could come up wi=
th several possible characters that could be for a specific site & I gue=
ssed the wrong ones. 

My wife had Parkinson=E2=80=99=
s & had a real problem remembering passwords, so she tried to keep them o=
n paper but still had troubles until we set her up on LastPass. Then she pas=
sed & I tried to get into her LP account & found that she hadn=E2=80=
=99t written down her current password to get in! Oh well, I was able to get=
 into her important sites with copies of her death certificate. 
<=
div>
Peace, Pat

Pat Horne 
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=EF=BB=BF
I approach it a little differently.&nb=
sp; Instead of a password manager, I have a.system of creating passwords tha=
t combines a common feature with a series of modifiers depending on the.type=
 of site and the site itself.   This, I can always reconstruct the=
 password in my head based on the system.  I keep a list hidden just in=
 case the method fails, it my heirs need to log into something.

On Fri, Jul 5,=
 2024, 21:01 john niolon <jniolon@att.=
net> wrote:





shop content... my tool inventory and all my sh=
op related stuff is on my pc.


 


I looking into password manager software and am=
 as dumb as a rock...


 


I need cheap... easy to use.... low maintenance=
... ability for a elder to use


 


recommendations ??


 


john


 
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From: Jeff Scarbrough 
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2024 09:56:05 -0400
To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" 
Subject: [Shop-talk] Garage Floor Treatment
Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net

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Good morning, all!  I'm looking into coating my garage floor in some
fashion.  The garage is about 15 years old, and I'm tired of stirring up
dust every time I touch the floor with a broom.

The floor has some minor cracks, a couple of gouges (thanks, framing
crew!), and a bit of oil staining, but it's generally in good shape, except
for the dust.

My original plan was to pay (lots of, probably) good money to have a
professional service grind the surface and apply a proper epoxy product to
the floor.  But yesterday, a friend mentioned solvent-based sealers
(specifically xylene).  He said I could apply it myself with proper PPE and
occupy the space the next day.

So, what's the current real-world opinion on garage floors?  Anyone who can
relate what worked for them in the savage environment we revel in as shop
talkers?

TIA, Jeff...

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Good morning, all!=C2=A0 I'm looking into coating my =
garage floor in some fashion.=C2=A0 The garage is about 15 years old, and I=
'm tired of stirring up dust every time I touch the floor with a broom.=


The floor has some minor crac=
ks, a couple of gouges (thanks, framing crew!), and a bit of oil staining, =
but it's generally in good shape, except for the dust.

My original plan was to pay (lots of, prob=
ably) good money to have a professional service grind the surface and apply=
 a proper epoxy product to the floor.=C2=A0 But yesterday, a friend mention=
ed solvent-based sealers (specifically xylene).=C2=A0 He said I could apply=
 it myself with proper PPE and occupy the space the next day.=C2=A0=C2=A0

So, what's the curren=
t real-world opinion on garage floors?=C2=A0 Anyone who can relate what wor=
ked for them in the savage environment we revel in as shop talkers?

TIA, Jeff...


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Last year I was looking into this.  I had a professional service (with a 
TON of great recommendations, some from people I know well.)  Give me a 
price.

I was only going to do half of my garage, so the total surface they would 
do was 25X 50'.

Any color, add in, or 'effect' that I wanted.  2 day project.  They would 
fix all cracks and low spots and prep day one.  Then finish day 2.  I 
forgot how long the cure time was, but it wasn't a big deal (maybe a day 
or three.)

Total price was $6000.  I didn't think that was too bad.  Note, they will 
come back and fix any issues (chips and such) for free for a year or so 
after.

I'm still considering it.  Now that you sparked this discussion, I'll see 
what the wisdom here has to say.

Moose



From:   Jeff Scarbrough 
To:     "shop-talk@autox.team.net" 
Date:   07/07/2024 10:01 AM
Subject:        [Shop-talk] Garage Floor Treatment
Sent by:        "Shop-talk" 



Good morning, all!  I'm looking into coating my garage floor in some 
fashion.  The garage is about 15 years old, and I'm tired of stirring up 
dust every time I touch the floor with a broom.

The floor has some minor cracks, a couple of gouges (thanks, framing 
crew!), and a bit of oil staining, but it's generally in good shape, 
except for the dust.

My original plan was to pay (lots of, probably) good money to have a 
professional service grind the surface and apply a proper epoxy product to 
the floor.  But yesterday, a friend mentioned solvent-based sealers 
(specifically xylene).  He said I could apply it myself with proper PPE 
and occupy the space the next day.  

So, what's the current real-world opinion on garage floors?  Anyone who 
can relate what worked for them in the savage environment we revel in as 
shop talkers?

TIA, Jeff..._______________________________________________

Shop-talk@autox.team.net
Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk 
http://autox.team.net/archive

http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/eric@megageek.com





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Last year I was looking
into this.  I had a professional service (with a TON of great recommendations,
some from people I know well.)  Give me a price.



I was only going
to do half of my garage, so the total surface they would do was 25X 50'.



Any color, add
in, or 'effect' that I wanted.  2 day project.  They would fix
all cracks and low spots and prep day one.  Then finish day 2.  I
forgot how long the cure time was, but it wasn't a big deal (maybe a day
or three.)



Total price was
$6000.  I didn't think that was too bad.  Note, they will come
back and fix any issues (chips and such) for free for a year or so after.



I'm still considering
it.  Now that you sparked this discussion, I'll see what the wisdom
here has to say.



Moose







From:
       Jeff
Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail.com>

To:
       "shop-talk@autox.team.net"
<Shop-talk@autox.team.net>

Date:
       07/07/2024
10:01 AM

Subject:
       [Shop-talk]
Garage Floor Treatment

Sent
by:        "Shop-talk"
<shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net>









Good morning, all!  I'm looking
into coating my garage floor in some fashion.  The garage is about
15 years old, and I'm tired of stirring up dust every time I touch the
floor with a broom.



The floor has some minor cracks, a couple
of gouges (thanks, framing crew!), and a bit of oil staining, but it's
generally in good shape, except for the dust.



My original plan was to pay (lots of,
probably) good money to have a professional service grind the surface and
apply a proper epoxy product to the floor.  But yesterday, a friend
mentioned solvent-based sealers (specifically xylene).  He said I
could apply it myself with proper PPE and occupy the space the next day.  



So, what's the current real-world opinion
on garage floors?  Anyone who can relate what worked for them in the
savage environment we revel in as shop talkers?



TIA, Jeff..._______________________________________________



Shop-talk@autox.team.net

Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk
http://autox.team.net/archive











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Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2024 12:30:13 -0400
Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Garage Floor Treatment
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I can say the consumer stuff, Rustoleum epoxy, is likely only good for
light use or a man cave.  I coated a 3 car new garage after six months of
seasoning and just doing the acid (citric) wash prep, it lasted for the
five years we were in the house, but had two issues: 1) hot racing tires
would pull up quarter size areas, never had an issue with regular tires.
 2) high shear, like like sliding a transmission, would think the coating.



On Sun, Jul 7, 2024 at 10:57 AM  wrote:

> Last year I was looking into this.  I had a professional service (with a
> TON of great recommendations, some from people I know well.)  Give me a
> price.
>
> I was only going to do half of my garage, so the total surface they would
> do was 25X 50'.
>
> Any color, add in, or 'effect' that I wanted.  2 day project.  They would
> fix all cracks and low spots and prep day one.  Then finish day 2.  I
> forgot how long the cure time was, but it wasn't a big deal (maybe a day or
> three.)
>
> Total price was $6000.  I didn't think that was too bad.  Note, they will
> come back and fix any issues (chips and such) for free for a year or so
> after.
>
> I'm still considering it.  Now that you sparked this discussion, I'll see
> what the wisdom here has to say.
>
> Moose
>
>
>
> From:        Jeff Scarbrough 
> To:        "shop-talk@autox.team.net" 
> Date:        07/07/2024 10:01 AM
> Subject:        [Shop-talk] Garage Floor Treatment
> Sent by:        "Shop-talk" 
> ------------------------------
>
>
>
> Good morning, all!  I'm looking into coating my garage floor in some
> fashion.  The garage is about 15 years old, and I'm tired of stirring up
> dust every time I touch the floor with a broom.
>
> The floor has some minor cracks, a couple of gouges (thanks, framing
> crew!), and a bit of oil staining, but it's generally in good shape, except
> for the dust.
>
> My original plan was to pay (lots of, probably) good money to have a
> professional service grind the surface and apply a proper epoxy product to
> the floor.  But yesterday, a friend mentioned solvent-based sealers
> (specifically xylene).  He said I could apply it myself with proper PPE and
> occupy the space the next day.
>
> So, what's the current real-world opinion on garage floors?  Anyone who
> can relate what worked for them in the savage environment we revel in as
> shop talkers?
>
> TIA, Jeff..._______________________________________________
>
> Shop-talk@autox.team.net
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I can say the consumer stuff, Rustoleum epoxy, is likely =
only good for light use or a man cave.=C2=A0 I coated a 3 car new garage af=
ter six months of seasoning and just doing the acid (citric) wash prep, it =
lasted for the five years we were in the house, but had two issues: 1) hot =
racing tires would pull up quarter size areas, never had an issue with regu=
lar tires. =C2=A02) high shear, like like sliding a transmission, would thi=
nk the coating. =C2=A0

<=
br>

On Sun, Jul 7, 2024 at 10:57 AM <eric@megageek.com> wrote:
Last year I was l=
ooking
into this.=C2=A0 I had a professional service (with a TON of great recommen=
dations,
some from people I know well.) =C2=A0Give me a price.



I was only going
to do half of my garage, so the total surface they would do was 25X 50'=
.



Any color, add
in, or 'effect' that I wanted. =C2=A02 day project.=C2=A0 They woul=
d fix
all cracks and low spots and prep day one.=C2=A0 Then finish day 2.=C2=A0 I
forgot how long the cure time was, but it wasn't a big deal (maybe a da=
y
or three.)



Total price was
$6000.=C2=A0 I didn't think that was too bad.=C2=A0 Note, they will com=
e
back and fix any issues (chips and such) for free for a year or so after.



I'm still con=
sidering
it.=C2=A0 Now that you sparked this discussion, I'll see what the wisdo=
m
here has to say.



Moose







From=
:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Jeff
Scarbrough <fis=
hplate@gmail.com>

To:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"shop-talk@autox.team.net"
<Shop-talk=
@autox.team.net>

Date=
:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A007/07/2024
10:01 AM

Subj=
ect:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[Shop-talk]
Garage Floor Treatment

Sent
by: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"Shop-talk"
<s=
hop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net>









Good morning, all!=C2=A0 I'm looking
into coating my garage floor in some fashion.=C2=A0 The garage is about
15 years old, and I'm tired of stirring up dust every time I touch the
floor with a broom.



The floor has some minor cracks, a coupl=
e
of gouges (thanks, framing crew!), and a bit of oil staining, but it's
generally in good shape, except for the dust.



My original plan was to pay (lots of,
probably) good money to have a professional service grind the surface and
apply a proper epoxy product to the floor.=C2=A0 But yesterday, a friend
mentioned solvent-based sealers (specifically xylene).=C2=A0 He said I
could apply it myself with proper PPE and occupy the space the next day.=C2=
=A0=C2=A0



So, what's the current real-world op=
inion
on garage floors?=C2=A0 Anyone who can relate what worked for them in the
savage environment we revel in as shop talkers?



TIA, Jeff..._______________________________________________



Shop-talk@aut=
ox.team.net

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From: old dirtbeard 
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2024 09:40:47 -0700
To: Jeff Scarbrough 
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Garage Floor Treatment
Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" 
Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net

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I faced a similar decision, researched many of the treatments and
ultimately went with floor tiles and am attaching the link here:
Advantages I saw were:

   1. Very little prep
   2. Not toxic
   3. Very easy for one man to install, easy to cut the tiles to shape
   4. Improve the acoustics of the garage
   5. Can do parts of the garage/shop at a time, do not need to clear out
   the entire shop for several days
   6. Softer, easy on the knees
   7. Things do not break if dropped
   8. Easy to spot-fix (just replace the tile)
   9. Attractive, hides all of the stains and surface damage

After about ten years of having them down, I have not had to remove or
repair any of them.

I went with the diamond pattern where the cars park and the levant pattern
where I stand and work. I did it because I thought the diamond pattern
would be good for the car tires but would be hard on the knees if kneeling
(the diamond pattern can be felt on your knee caps when kneeling--not
horrible, but noticeable)

If I had a do over, I would use the diamond pattern everywhere as the
levant pattern is porous and is more difficult to keep clean.

I went with the 24" squares as it goes down faster and has fewer joints to
collect dirt.

FWIW

Peel & Stick Garage Tiles and Garage Floor Tiles by American Floor Mats



On Sun, Jul 7, 2024 at 7:03=E2=80=AFAM Jeff Scarbrough  wrote:

> Good morning, all!  I'm looking into coating my garage floor in some
> fashion.  The garage is about 15 years old, and I'm tired of stirring up
> dust every time I touch the floor with a broom.
>
> The floor has some minor cracks, a couple of gouges (thanks, framing
> crew!), and a bit of oil staining, but it's generally in good shape, exce=
pt
> for the dust.
>
> My original plan was to pay (lots of, probably) good money to have a
> professional service grind the surface and apply a proper epoxy product t=
o
> the floor.  But yesterday, a friend mentioned solvent-based sealers
> (specifically xylene).  He said I could apply it myself with proper PPE a=
nd
> occupy the space the next day.
>
> So, what's the current real-world opinion on garage floors?  Anyone who
> can relate what worked for them in the savage environment we revel in as
> shop talkers?
>
> TIA, Jeff...
> _______________________________________________
>
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I f=
aced a similar decision, researched many of the treatments and ultimately w=
ent with floor tiles and am attaching the link here:
Advantages I saw were:
  1. Very little prep
    2. =

  2. Not toxic
  3. Very easy for one man to install, easy to cut the til=
es to shape
  4. Improve the acoustics of the garage
  5. Can do part=
s of the garage/shop at a time, do not need to clear out the entire shop fo=
r several days
  6. Softer, easy on the knees
  7. Things do not brea=
k if dropped
  8. Easy to spot-fix (just replace the tile)
  9. Attra=
ctive, hides all of the stains and surface damage
After about=
 ten years of having them down, I have not had to remove or repair any of t=
hem.

I went with the diamond pattern where the car=
s park and the levant pattern where I stand and work. I did it because I th=
ought the diamond pattern would be good for the car tires but would be hard=
 on the knees if kneeling (the diamond pattern can be felt on your knee cap=
s when kneeling--not horrible, but noticeable)

If =
I had a do over, I would use the diamond pattern everywhere=C2=A0as the lev=
ant pattern=C2=A0is porous and is more difficult to keep clean.
<=
br>
I went with the=C2=A024" squares as it goes down faster =
and has fewer joints to collect dirt.


On Sun, Jul 7, 202=
4 at 7:03=E2=80=AFAM Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail.com> wrote:
Good morning, all!=C2=A0 I'm =
looking into coating my garage floor in some fashion.=C2=A0 The garage is a=
bout 15 years old, and I'm tired of stirring up dust every time I touch=
 the floor with a broom.

The f=
loor has some minor cracks, a couple of gouges (thanks, framing crew!), and=
 a bit of oil staining, but it's generally in good shape, except for th=
e dust.

My original plan w=
as to pay (lots of, probably) good money to have a professional service gri=
nd the surface and apply a proper epoxy product to the floor.=C2=A0 But yes=
terday, a friend mentioned solvent-based sealers (specifically xylene).=C2=
=A0 He said I could apply it myself with proper PPE and occupy the space th=
e next day.=C2=A0=C2=A0

=
So, what's the current real-world opinion on garage floors?=C2=A0 Anyon=
e who can relate what worked for them in the savage environment we revel in=
 as shop talkers?

TIA, J=
eff...

_______________________________________________



Shop-talk@aut=
ox.team.net

et=3D"_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html

Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk htt=
p://autox.team.net/archive



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References: 
 
From: Jeff Scarbrough 
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2024 13:05:44 -0400
To: Moose 
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Garage Floor Treatment
Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" 
Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net

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My area is about half yours, and.so around $3000.  Similar in cost to
RaceDeck or the peel and stick noted elsewhere in this thread.

I feel like a good epoxy coating would hold up to floor jacks and toolbox
wheels, etc.  I'm not sure about RaceDeck.

The idea of doing it on my own is attractive, but I'm less inclined these
days.

On Sun, Jul 7, 2024, 10:43  wrote:

> Last year I was looking into this.  I had a professional service (with a
> TON of great recommendations, some from people I know well.)  Give me a
> price.
>
> I was only going to do half of my garage, so the total surface they would
> do was 25X 50'.
>
> Any color, add in, or 'effect' that I wanted.  2 day project.  They would
> fix all cracks and low spots and prep day one.  Then finish day 2.  I
> forgot how long the cure time was, but it wasn't a big deal (maybe a day or
> three.)
>
> Total price was $6000.  I didn't think that was too bad.  Note, they will
> come back and fix any issues (chips and such) for free for a year or so
> after.
>
> I'm still considering it.  Now that you sparked this discussion, I'll see
> what the wisdom here has to say.
>
> Moose
>
>
>
> From:        Jeff Scarbrough 
> To:        "shop-talk@autox.team.net" 
> Date:        07/07/2024 10:01 AM
> Subject:        [Shop-talk] Garage Floor Treatment
> Sent by:        "Shop-talk" 
> ------------------------------
>
>
>
> Good morning, all!  I'm looking into coating my garage floor in some
> fashion.  The garage is about 15 years old, and I'm tired of stirring up
> dust every time I touch the floor with a broom.
>
> The floor has some minor cracks, a couple of gouges (thanks, framing
> crew!), and a bit of oil staining, but it's generally in good shape, except
> for the dust.
>
> My original plan was to pay (lots of, probably) good money to have a
> professional service grind the surface and apply a proper epoxy product to
> the floor.  But yesterday, a friend mentioned solvent-based sealers
> (specifically xylene).  He said I could apply it myself with proper PPE and
> occupy the space the next day.
>
> So, what's the current real-world opinion on garage floors?  Anyone who
> can relate what worked for them in the savage environment we revel in as
> shop talkers?
>
> TIA, Jeff..._______________________________________________
>
> Shop-talk@autox.team.net
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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>
>
>
>

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My area is about half yours, and.so around $3000.=C2=A0 S=
imilar in cost to RaceDeck or the peel and stick noted elsewhere in this th=
read.

I feel like a good epoxy=
 coating would hold up to floor jacks and toolbox wheels, etc.=C2=A0 I'=
m not sure about RaceDeck.

The idea of doing it on my own is attractive, but I'm less inclined =
these days.=C2=A0

On Sun, Jul 7, 2024, 10:43  <eric@megageek.com> wrote:
Last y=
ear I was looking
into this.=C2=A0 I had a professional service (with a TON of great recommen=
dations,
some from people I know well.) =C2=A0Give me a price.



I was only going
to do half of my garage, so the total surface they would do was 25X 50'=
.



Any color, add
in, or 'effect' that I wanted. =C2=A02 day project.=C2=A0 They woul=
d fix
all cracks and low spots and prep day one.=C2=A0 Then finish day 2.=C2=A0 I
forgot how long the cure time was, but it wasn't a big deal (maybe a da=
y
or three.)



Total price was
$6000.=C2=A0 I didn't think that was too bad.=C2=A0 Note, they will com=
e
back and fix any issues (chips and such) for free for a year or so after.



I'm still con=
sidering
it.=C2=A0 Now that you sparked this discussion, I'll see what the wisdo=
m
here has to say.



Moose







From=
:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Jeff
Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail.com>

To:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"shop-talk@autox.team.net"
<Shop-talk@autox.team.net>

Date=
:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A007/07/2024
10:01 AM

Subj=
ect:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[Shop-talk]
Garage Floor Treatment

Sent
by: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"Shop-talk"
<shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net>









Good morning, all!=C2=A0 I'm looking
into coating my garage floor in some fashion.=C2=A0 The garage is about
15 years old, and I'm tired of stirring up dust every time I touch the
floor with a broom.



The floor has some minor cracks, a coupl=
e
of gouges (thanks, framing crew!), and a bit of oil staining, but it's
generally in good shape, except for the dust.



My original plan was to pay (lots of,
probably) good money to have a professional service grind the surface and
apply a proper epoxy product to the floor.=C2=A0 But yesterday, a friend
mentioned solvent-based sealers (specifically xylene).=C2=A0 He said I
could apply it myself with proper PPE and occupy the space the next day.=C2=
=A0=C2=A0



So, what's the current real-world op=
inion
on garage floors?=C2=A0 Anyone who can relate what worked for them in the
savage environment we revel in as shop talkers?



TIA, Jeff..._______________________________________________



Shop-talk@autox.team.net

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From: old dirtbeard 
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2024 16:32:54 -0700
To: Robert Rochlin 
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Garage Floor Treatment
Cc: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" 
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I like that part of "and blood" regarding the ease of clean-up ;-)

On Sun, Jul 7, 2024 at 3:36=E2=80=AFPM Robert Rochlin  wrote:

> Jeff,
>         About 6 years ago I applied Rustolium 2 part epoxy garage
> coating.  I spent days preparing  the floor, including grinding with a
> Dimond floor grinder. The coating has stood up well in the newer (4 year)
> old section of the garage, but in the 35 year old section of the garage t=
he
> coating has lifted, mostly  along the walls.  It looks like calcification
> from below the floor in those sections.  I spent a lot of labor intensive
> time and money with mixed results.  In hindsight I think a professional
> floor finisher would have anticipated the problems and the floor would ha=
ve
> been much better.  All that being said, the garage is not dusty and it's
> easy to clean off oil, brake fluid, antifreeze, and blood.
> Best,
> Bob
>
> > On Jul 7, 2024, at 9:56=E2=80=AFAM, Jeff Scarbrough  wrote:
> >
> > Good morning, all!  I'm looking into coating my garage floor in some
> fashion.  The garage is about 15 years old, and I'm tired of stirring up
> dust every time I touch the floor with a broom.
> >
> > The floor has some minor cracks, a couple of gouges (thanks, framing
> crew!), and a bit of oil staining, but it's generally in good shape, exce=
pt
> for the dust.
> >
> > My original plan was to pay (lots of, probably) good money to have a
> professional service grind the surface and apply a proper epoxy product t=
o
> the floor.  But yesterday, a friend mentioned solvent-based sealers
> (specifically xylene).  He said I could apply it myself with proper PPE a=
nd
> occupy the space the next day.
> >
> > So, what's the current real-world opinion on garage floors?  Anyone who
> can relate what worked for them in the savage environment we revel in as
> shop talkers?
> >
> > TIA, Jeff...
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I l=
ike that=C2=A0part of "and blood" regarding the ease of clean-up =
;-)=C2=A0

On Sun, Jul 7, 2024 at 3:36=E2=80=AFPM Robert Rochlin <<=
a href=3D"mailto:rrochlin@comcast.net">rrochlin@comcast.net> wrote:<=
br>
Jeff,

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 About 6 years ago I applied Rustolium 2 part ep=
oxy garage coating.=C2=A0 I spent days preparing=C2=A0 the floor, including=
 grinding with a Dimond floor grinder. The coating has stood up well in the=
 newer (4 year) old section of the garage, but in the 35 year old section o=
f the garage the coating has lifted, mostly=C2=A0 along the walls.=C2=A0 It=
 looks like calcification from below the floor in those sections.=C2=A0 I s=
pent a lot of labor intensive time and money with mixed results.=C2=A0 In h=
indsight I think a professional floor finisher would have anticipated the p=
roblems and the floor would have been much better.=C2=A0 All that being sai=
d, the garage is not dusty and it's easy to clean off oil, brake fluid,=
 antifreeze, and blood.

Best,

Bob



> On Jul 7, 2024, at 9:56=E2=80=AFAM, Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate@gmail.com> wrot=
e:

> 

> Good morning, all!=C2=A0 I'm looking into coating my garage floor =
in some fashion.=C2=A0 The garage is about 15 years old, and I'm tired =
of stirring up dust every time I touch the floor with a broom.

> 

> The floor has some minor cracks, a couple of gouges (thanks, framing c=
rew!), and a bit of oil staining, but it's generally in good shape, exc=
ept for the dust.

> 

> My original plan was to pay (lots of, probably) good money to have a p=
rofessional service grind the surface and apply a proper epoxy product to t=
he floor.=C2=A0 But yesterday, a friend mentioned solvent-based sealers (sp=
ecifically xylene).=C2=A0 He said I could apply it myself with proper PPE a=
nd occupy the space the next day.=C2=A0 

> 

> So, what's the current real-world opinion on garage floors?=C2=A0 =
Anyone who can relate what worked for them in the savage environment we rev=
el in as shop talkers?

> 

> TIA, Jeff...

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From: Peter Murray 
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2024 11:29:21 -0400
To: shop-talk 
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] password lmanager software
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Sorry to arrive late to this discussion, but it's been a busy summer!

In my opinion as an IT/security engineer, password managers are mandatory.
It's a perfect example of "Never send a man to do a machine's job." Our
brains aren't adapted to randomness, which is needed with good security
practice.

I also used LastPass for years (they had a "free" version that made them
attractive, but it also made them a big target).As explained earlier, they
failed to keep the trust of their users by not disclosing their breaches,
so I've migrated from them to 1Password. I've been very happy with it, and
have found it highly reliable.
I don't like using the browser password managers, as I haven't found them
to be sufficiently secure. 1Password does handle Passkeys as well. It also
reminds you to update passwords that have been exposed in a breach, and has
a very good password generator.
I've looked at BitWarden (they have a self-hosted version), but haven't had
enough time to give it a run through.

-Peter

On Sat, Jul 6, 2024 at 8:30=E2=80=AFPM Donald H Locker 
wrote:

> Hello, John.
>
> I use KeePass (keepass.info) on my laptop running Ubuntu 18.04; it's also
> available for Apple and Micrisoft operating systems. Very easy to set up;
> good security (if you use a good password for the database file); easy to
> use; room for notes as well as login id, password, associated websites, a=
nd
> a very good password generator.
>
> HTH,
> Donald.
> On 2024-07-05 12:20, john niolon wrote:
>
> shop content... my tool inventory and all my shop related stuff is on my
> pc.
>
> I looking into password manager software and am as dumb as a rock...
>
> I need cheap... easy to use.... low maintenance... ability for a elder to
> use
>
> recommendations ??
>
> john
>
>
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Sorry to arrive late to this discussion, but it's been=
 a busy summer!

In my opinion as an IT/security engineer=
, password managers are mandatory. It's a perfect example of "Neve=
r send a man to do a machine's job." Our brains aren't adapted=
 to randomness, which is needed with good security practice.

=

I also used LastPass for years (they had a "free" vers=
ion that made them attractive, but it also made them a big target).As expla=
ined earlier, they failed to keep the trust of their users by not disclosin=
g their breaches, so I've migrated from them to 1Password. I've bee=
n very happy with it, and have found it highly reliable.=C2=A0
I =
don't like using the browser password managers, as I haven't found =
them to be sufficiently secure. 1Password does handle Passkeys as well. It =
also reminds you to update passwords that have been exposed in a breach, an=
d has a very good password generator.
I've looked at BitWarde=
n (they have a self-hosted version), but haven't had enough time to giv=
e it a run through.

-Peter

On Sat, Jul 6, 202=
4 at 8:30=E2=80=AFPM Donald H Locker <dhlocker@protonmail.com> wrote:

   =20
 =20
  

    
Hello, John.

    
I use KeePass (k=
eepass.info)
      on my laptop running Ubuntu 18.04; it's also available for Apple
      and Micrisoft operating systems. Very easy to set up; good
      security (if you use a good password for the database file); easy
      to use; room for notes as well as login id, password, associated
      websites, and a very good password generator.

    

    
HTH,

      Donald.

    

    
On 2024-07-05 12:20, john niolon wrote:

    

    

     =20
     =20
      
shop content... my tool inventory and
          all my shop related stuff is on my pc.

      
=C2=A0

      
I looking into password manager
          software and am as dumb as a rock...

      
=C2=A0

      
I need cheap... easy to use.... low
          maintenance... ability for a elder to use

      
=C2=A0

      
recommendations ??

      
=C2=A0

      
john

      
=C2=A0

    




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