Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Garage Floor Treatment

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Last year I was looking into this.  I had a professional service (with a 
TON of great recommendations, some from people I know well.)  Give me a 
price.

I was only going to do half of my garage, so the total surface they would 
do was 25X 50'.

Any color, add in, or 'effect' that I wanted.  2 day project.  They would 
fix all cracks and low spots and prep day one.  Then finish day 2.  I 
forgot how long the cure time was, but it wasn't a big deal (maybe a day 
or three.)

Total price was $6000.  I didn't think that was too bad.  Note, they will 
come back and fix any issues (chips and such) for free for a year or so 
after.

I'm still considering it.  Now that you sparked this discussion, I'll see 
what the wisdom here has to say.

Moose

From:   Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]>
To:     "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>
Date:   07/07/2024 10:01 AM
Subject:        [Shop-talk] Garage Floor Treatment
Sent by:        "Shop-talk" <[email-masked]>

Good morning, all!  I'm looking into coating my garage floor in some 
fashion.  The garage is about 15 years old, and I'm tired of stirring up 
dust every time I touch the floor with a broom.

The floor has some minor cracks, a couple of gouges (thanks, framing 
crew!), and a bit of oil staining, but it's generally in good shape, 
except for the dust.

My original plan was to pay (lots of, probably) good money to have a 
professional service grind the surface and apply a proper epoxy product to 
the floor.  But yesterday, a friend mentioned solvent-based sealers 
(specifically xylene).  He said I could apply it myself with proper PPE 
and occupy the space the next day.  

So, what's the current real-world opinion on garage floors?  Anyone who 
can relate what worked for them in the savage environment we revel in as 
shop talkers?

TIA, Jeff..._______________________________________________

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<span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Last year I was looking
into this. &nbsp;I had a professional service (with a TON of great recommendations,
some from people I know well.) &nbsp;Give me a price.</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">I was only going
to do half of my garage, so the total surface they would do was 25X 50'.</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Any color, add
in, or 'effect' that I wanted. &nbsp;2 day project. &nbsp;They would fix
all cracks and low spots and prep day one. &nbsp;Then finish day 2. &nbsp;I
forgot how long the cure time was, but it wasn't a big deal (maybe a day
or three.)</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Total price was
$6000. &nbsp;I didn't think that was too bad. &nbsp;Note, they will come
back and fix any issues (chips and such) for free for a year or so after.</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">I'm still considering
it. &nbsp;Now that you sparked this discussion, I'll see what the wisdom
here has to say.</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Moose</span>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">From:
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">Jeff
Scarbrough &lt;[email-masked]&gt;</span>
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10:01 AM</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">Subject:
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">[Shop-talk]
Garage Floor Treatment</span>
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by: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">&quot;Shop-talk&quot;
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<br><span style=" font-size:12pt">Good morning, all!&nbsp; I'm looking
into coating my garage floor in some fashion.&nbsp; The garage is about
15 years old, and I'm tired of stirring up dust every time I touch the
floor with a broom.</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt">The floor has some minor cracks, a couple
of gouges (thanks, framing crew!), and a bit of oil staining, but it's
generally in good shape, except for the dust.</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt">My original plan was to pay (lots of,
probably) good money to have a professional service grind the surface and
apply a proper epoxy product to the floor.&nbsp; But yesterday, a friend
mentioned solvent-based sealers (specifically xylene).&nbsp; He said I
could apply it myself with proper PPE and occupy the space the next day.&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt">So, what's the current real-world opinion
on garage floors?&nbsp; Anyone who can relate what worked for them in the
savage environment we revel in as shop talkers?</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt">TIA, Jeff...</span><tt><span style=" font-size:10pt">_______________________________________________<br>
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I can say the consumer stuff, Rustoleum epoxy, is likely only good for
light use or a man cave.  I coated a 3 car new garage after six months of
seasoning and just doing the acid (citric) wash prep, it lasted for the
five years we were in the house, but had two issues: 1) hot racing tires
would pull up quarter size areas, never had an issue with regular tires.
 2) high shear, like like sliding a transmission, would think the coating.

On Sun, Jul 7, 2024 at 10:57 AM <[email-masked]> wrote:

> forgot how long the cure time was, but it wasn't a big deal (maybe a day or
> three.)
>
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> crew!), and a bit of oil staining, but it's generally in good shape, except
> for the dust.
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> occupy the space the next day.
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<div dir=3D"auto">I can say the consumer stuff, Rustoleum epoxy, is likely =
only good for light use or a man cave.=C2=A0 I coated a 3 car new garage af=
ter six months of seasoning and just doing the acid (citric) wash prep, it =
lasted for the five years we were in the house, but had two issues: 1) hot =
racing tires would pull up quarter size areas, never had an issue with regu=
lar tires. =C2=A02) high shear, like like sliding a transmission, would thi=
nk the coating. =C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><=
br></div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmai=
l_attr">On Sun, Jul 7, 2024 at 10:57 AM &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:eric@megageek=
.com">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_=
quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1=
ex"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Last year I was l=
ooking
into this.=C2=A0 I had a professional service (with a TON of great recommen=
dations,
some from people I know well.) =C2=A0Give me a price.</span>
<br>
<br><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">I was only going
to do half of my garage, so the total surface they would do was 25X 50&#39;=
.</span>
<br>
<br><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Any color, add
in, or &#39;effect&#39; that I wanted. =C2=A02 day project.=C2=A0 They woul=
d fix
all cracks and low spots and prep day one.=C2=A0 Then finish day 2.=C2=A0 I
forgot how long the cure time was, but it wasn&#39;t a big deal (maybe a da=
y
or three.)</span>
<br>
<br><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Total price was
$6000.=C2=A0 I didn&#39;t think that was too bad.=C2=A0 Note, they will com=
e
back and fix any issues (chips and such) for free for a year or so after.</=
span>
<br>
<br><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">I&#39;m still con=
sidering
it.=C2=A0 Now that you sparked this discussion, I&#39;ll see what the wisdo=
m
here has to say.</span>
<br>
<br><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Moose</span>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">From=
:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;font-family:=
sans-serif">Jeff
Scarbrough &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">fis=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span>
<br><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">To:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;font-family:=
sans-serif">&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_bl=
ank">[email-masked]</a>&quot;
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">Shop-talk=
@autox.team.net</a>&gt;</span>
<br><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">Date=
:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;font-family:=
sans-serif">07/07/2024
10:01 AM</span>
<br><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">Subj=
ect:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;font-family:=
sans-serif">[Shop-talk]
Garage Floor Treatment</span>
<br><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">Sent
by: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;font-fam=
ily:sans-serif">&quot;Shop-talk&quot;
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">s=
[email-masked]</a>&gt;</span>
<br>
<hr noshade>
<br>
<br>
<br><span style=3D"font-size:12pt">Good morning, all!=C2=A0 I&#39;m looking
into coating my garage floor in some fashion.=C2=A0 The garage is about
15 years old, and I&#39;m tired of stirring up dust every time I touch the
floor with a broom.</span>
<br>
<br><span style=3D"font-size:12pt">The floor has some minor cracks, a coupl=
e
of gouges (thanks, framing crew!), and a bit of oil staining, but it&#39;s
generally in good shape, except for the dust.</span>
<br>
<br><span style=3D"font-size:12pt">My original plan was to pay (lots of,
probably) good money to have a professional service grind the surface and
apply a proper epoxy product to the floor.=C2=A0 But yesterday, a friend
mentioned solvent-based sealers (specifically xylene).=C2=A0 He said I
could apply it myself with proper PPE and occupy the space the next day.=C2=
=A0=C2=A0</span>
<br>
<br><span style=3D"font-size:12pt">So, what&#39;s the current real-world op=
inion
on garage floors?=C2=A0 Anyone who can relate what worked for them in the
savage environment we revel in as shop talkers?</span>
<br>
<br><span style=3D"font-size:12pt">TIA, Jeff...</span><tt><span style=3D"fo=
nt-size:10pt">_______________________________________________<br>
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From: old dirtbeard <[email-masked]>
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I faced a similar decision, researched many of the treatments and
ultimately went with floor tiles and am attaching the link here:
Advantages I saw were:

   1. Very little prep
   2. Not toxic
   3. Very easy for one man to install, easy to cut the tiles to shape
   4. Improve the acoustics of the garage
   5. Can do parts of the garage/shop at a time, do not need to clear out
   the entire shop for several days
   6. Softer, easy on the knees
   7. Things do not break if dropped
   8. Easy to spot-fix (just replace the tile)
   9. Attractive, hides all of the stains and surface damage

After about ten years of having them down, I have not had to remove or
repair any of them.

I went with the diamond pattern where the cars park and the levant pattern
where I stand and work. I did it because I thought the diamond pattern
would be good for the car tires but would be hard on the knees if kneeling
(the diamond pattern can be felt on your knee caps when kneeling--not
horrible, but noticeable)

If I had a do over, I would use the diamond pattern everywhere as the
levant pattern is porous and is more difficult to keep clean.

I went with the 24" squares as it goes down faster and has fewer joints to
collect dirt.

FWIW

Peel & Stick Garage Tiles and Garage Floor Tiles by American Floor Mats
<https://www.americanfloormats.com/peel-and-stick-garage-tiles/>

On Sun, Jul 7, 2024 at 7:03=E2=80=AFAM Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]=
> wrote:

> crew!), and a bit of oil staining, but it's generally in good shape, exce=
pt
> professional service grind the surface and apply a proper epoxy product t=
o
> (specifically xylene).  He said I could apply it myself with proper PPE a=
nd
> TIA, Jeff...
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/[email-masked]
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">I f=
aced a similar decision, researched many of the treatments and ultimately w=
ent with floor tiles and am attaching the link here:</div><div class=3D"gma=
il_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Advantages I saw were:</div><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><ol><li>Very little prep</li>=
<li>Not toxic</li><li>Very easy for one man to install, easy to cut the til=
es to shape</li><li>Improve the acoustics of the garage</li><li>Can do part=
s of the garage/shop at a time, do not need to clear out the entire shop fo=
r several days</li><li>Softer, easy on the knees</li><li>Things do not brea=
k if dropped</li><li>Easy to spot-fix (just replace the tile)</li><li>Attra=
ctive, hides all of the stains and surface damage</li></ol><div>After about=
 ten years of having them down, I have not had to remove or repair any of t=
hem.</div><div><br></div><div>I went with the diamond pattern where the car=
s park and the levant pattern where I stand and work. I did it because I th=
ought the diamond pattern would be good for the car tires but would be hard=
 on the knees if kneeling (the diamond pattern can be felt on your knee cap=
s when kneeling--not horrible, but noticeable)</div><div><br></div><div>If =
I had a do over, I would use the diamond pattern everywhere=C2=A0as the lev=
ant pattern=C2=A0is porous and is more difficult to keep clean.</div><div><=
br></div><div>I went with the=C2=A024&quot; squares as it goes down faster =
and has fewer joints to collect dirt.<br></div><div><br></div><div>FWIW</di=
v><div><br></div><div><a href=3D"https://www.americanfloormats.com/peel-and=
-stick-garage-tiles/">Peel &amp; Stick Garage Tiles and Garage Floor Tiles =
by American Floor Mats</a><br></div><div><br></div></div></div><br><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Jul 7, 202=
4 at 7:03=E2=80=AFAM Jeff Scarbrough &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fishplate@gmail.=
com">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204=
,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">Good morning, all!=C2=A0 I&#39;m =
looking into coating my garage floor in some fashion.=C2=A0 The garage is a=
bout 15 years old, and I&#39;m tired of stirring up dust every time I touch=
 the floor with a broom.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">The f=
loor has some minor cracks, a couple of gouges (thanks, framing crew!), and=
 a bit of oil staining, but it&#39;s generally in good shape, except for th=
e dust.<br><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">My original plan w=
as to pay (lots of, probably) good money to have a professional service gri=
nd the surface and apply a proper epoxy product to the floor.=C2=A0 But yes=
terday, a friend mentioned solvent-based sealers (specifically xylene).=C2=
=A0 He said I could apply it myself with proper PPE and occupy the space th=
e next day.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">=
So, what&#39;s the current real-world opinion on garage floors?=C2=A0 Anyon=
e who can relate what worked for them in the savage environment we revel in=
 as shop talkers?</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">TIA, J=
eff...</div></div></div>
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From: Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]>
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My area is about half yours, and.so around $3000.  Similar in cost to
RaceDeck or the peel and stick noted elsewhere in this thread.

I feel like a good epoxy coating would hold up to floor jacks and toolbox
wheels, etc.  I'm not sure about RaceDeck.

The idea of doing it on my own is attractive, but I'm less inclined these
days.

> Sent by:        "Shop-talk" <[email-masked]>

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<div dir=3D"auto">My area is about half yours, and.so around $3000.=C2=A0 S=
imilar in cost to RaceDeck or the peel and stick noted elsewhere in this th=
read.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I feel like a good epoxy=
 coating would hold up to floor jacks and toolbox wheels, etc.=C2=A0 I&#39;=
m not sure about RaceDeck.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"aut=
o">The idea of doing it on my own is attractive, but I&#39;m less inclined =
these days.=C2=A0</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr=
" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Jul 7, 2024, 10:43  &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:er=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pad=
ding-left:1ex"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Last y=
ear I was looking
into this.=C2=A0 I had a professional service (with a TON of great recommen=
dations,
some from people I know well.) =C2=A0Give me a price.</span>
<br>
<br><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">I was only going
to do half of my garage, so the total surface they would do was 25X 50&#39;=
.</span>
<br>
<br><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Any color, add
in, or &#39;effect&#39; that I wanted. =C2=A02 day project.=C2=A0 They woul=
d fix
all cracks and low spots and prep day one.=C2=A0 Then finish day 2.=C2=A0 I
forgot how long the cure time was, but it wasn&#39;t a big deal (maybe a da=
y
or three.)</span>
<br>
<br><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Total price was
$6000.=C2=A0 I didn&#39;t think that was too bad.=C2=A0 Note, they will com=
e
back and fix any issues (chips and such) for free for a year or so after.</=
span>
<br>
<br><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">I&#39;m still con=
sidering
it.=C2=A0 Now that you sparked this discussion, I&#39;ll see what the wisdo=
m
here has to say.</span>
<br>
<br><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Moose</span>
<br>
<br>
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<br><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">From=
:
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10:01 AM</span>
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Garage Floor Treatment</span>
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<br><span style=3D"font-size:12pt">Good morning, all!=C2=A0 I&#39;m looking
into coating my garage floor in some fashion.=C2=A0 The garage is about
15 years old, and I&#39;m tired of stirring up dust every time I touch the
floor with a broom.</span>
<br>
<br><span style=3D"font-size:12pt">The floor has some minor cracks, a coupl=
e
of gouges (thanks, framing crew!), and a bit of oil staining, but it&#39;s
generally in good shape, except for the dust.</span>
<br>
<br><span style=3D"font-size:12pt">My original plan was to pay (lots of,
probably) good money to have a professional service grind the surface and
apply a proper epoxy product to the floor.=C2=A0 But yesterday, a friend
mentioned solvent-based sealers (specifically xylene).=C2=A0 He said I
could apply it myself with proper PPE and occupy the space the next day.=C2=
=A0=C2=A0</span>
<br>
<br><span style=3D"font-size:12pt">So, what&#39;s the current real-world op=
inion
on garage floors?=C2=A0 Anyone who can relate what worked for them in the
savage environment we revel in as shop talkers?</span>
<br>
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From: Robert Rochlin <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2024 16:51:29 -0400

Jeff,
	About 6 years ago I applied Rustolium 2 part epoxy garage coating.  I spent days preparing  the floor, including grinding with a Dimond floor grinder. The coating has stood up well in the newer (4 year) old section of the garage, but in the 35 year old section of the garage the coating has lifted, mostly  along the walls.  It looks like calcification from below the floor in those sections.  I spent a lot of labor intensive time and money with mixed results.  In hindsight I think a professional floor finisher would have anticipated the problems and the floor would have been much better.  All that being said, the garage is not dusty and it's easy to clean off oil, brake fluid, antifreeze, and blood.
Best,
Bob

> On Jul 7, 2024, at 9:56 AM, Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> Good morning, all!  I'm looking into coating my garage floor in some fashion.  The garage is about 15 years old, and I'm tired of stirring up dust every time I touch the floor with a broom.
> 
> The floor has some minor cracks, a couple of gouges (thanks, framing crew!), and a bit of oil staining, but it's generally in good shape, except for the dust.
> 
> My original plan was to pay (lots of, probably) good money to have a professional service grind the surface and apply a proper epoxy product to the floor.  But yesterday, a friend mentioned solvent-based sealers (specifically xylene).  He said I could apply it myself with proper PPE and occupy the space the next day.  
> 
> So, what's the current real-world opinion on garage floors?  Anyone who can relate what worked for them in the savage environment we revel in as shop talkers?
> 
> TIA, Jeff...
> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/[email-masked]
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From: Jack Brooks <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2024 23:17:48 +0000

Bob,

The key likely was the diamond floor grinder.  If there were oils in the floor, they would need to be removed too.

I spent a year with Stonhard back in the late 90's, so my data is a little stale..... They are/were one of the east coast leaders in installed commercial epoxy flooring. The concrete must be dry, preferably with a moisture barrier and they always used diamond grinders to open up the pores of the concrete so the epoxy, which makes a mechanical bond with the concrete, had something to bond to.

I've toyed with doing the floors in my garage, but never seem to get the motivation to proceed with it. It would help with my older British car drippings.

Jack

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From: Mark Watson <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2024 01:29:52 +0200 (CEST)

Jeff,

Loved this: "... and it's easy to clean off ... ***and blood***.

Mark
> On 07/07/2024 4:51 PM EDT Robert Rochlin <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
>  
> Jeff,
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Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2024 16:32:54 -0700

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I like that part of "and blood" regarding the ease of clean-up ;-)

On Sun, Jul 7, 2024 at 3:36=E2=80=AFPM Robert Rochlin <[email-masked]=

> Jeff,
>         About 6 years ago I applied Rustolium 2 part epoxy garage
> coating.  I spent days preparing  the floor, including grinding with a
> Dimond floor grinder. The coating has stood up well in the newer (4 year)
> old section of the garage, but in the 35 year old section of the garage t=
he
> coating has lifted, mostly  along the walls.  It looks like calcification
> from below the floor in those sections.  I spent a lot of labor intensive
> time and money with mixed results.  In hindsight I think a professional
> floor finisher would have anticipated the problems and the floor would ha=
ve
> been much better.  All that being said, the garage is not dusty and it's
> easy to clean off oil, brake fluid, antifreeze, and blood.
> Best,
> Bob
>
> > On Jul 7, 2024, at 9:56=E2=80=AFAM, Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]=
pt
o
nd
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">I l=
ike that=C2=A0part of &quot;and blood&quot; regarding the ease of clean-up =
;-)=C2=A0</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Jul 7, 2024 at 3:36=E2=80=AFPM Robert Rochlin &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<=
br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8e=
x;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Jeff,<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 About 6 years ago I applied Rustolium 2 part ep=
oxy garage coating.=C2=A0 I spent days preparing=C2=A0 the floor, including=
 grinding with a Dimond floor grinder. The coating has stood up well in the=
 newer (4 year) old section of the garage, but in the 35 year old section o=
f the garage the coating has lifted, mostly=C2=A0 along the walls.=C2=A0 It=
 looks like calcification from below the floor in those sections.=C2=A0 I s=
pent a lot of labor intensive time and money with mixed results.=C2=A0 In h=
indsight I think a professional floor finisher would have anticipated the p=
roblems and the floor would have been much better.=C2=A0 All that being sai=
d, the garage is not dusty and it&#39;s easy to clean off oil, brake fluid,=
 antifreeze, and blood.<br>
Best,<br>
Bob<br>
<br>
&gt; On Jul 7, 2024, at 9:56=E2=80=AFAM, Jeff Scarbrough &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrot=
e:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Good morning, all!=C2=A0 I&#39;m looking into coating my garage floor =
in some fashion.=C2=A0 The garage is about 15 years old, and I&#39;m tired =
of stirring up dust every time I touch the floor with a broom.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; The floor has some minor cracks, a couple of gouges (thanks, framing c=
rew!), and a bit of oil staining, but it&#39;s generally in good shape, exc=
ept for the dust.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; My original plan was to pay (lots of, probably) good money to have a p=
rofessional service grind the surface and apply a proper epoxy product to t=
he floor.=C2=A0 But yesterday, a friend mentioned solvent-based sealers (sp=
ecifically xylene).=C2=A0 He said I could apply it myself with proper PPE a=
nd occupy the space the next day.=C2=A0 <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; So, what&#39;s the current real-world opinion on garage floors?=C2=A0 =
Anyone who can relate what worked for them in the savage environment we rev=
el in as shop talkers?<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; TIA, Jeff...<br>
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