Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Home surveillance system

From: MIQ MILLMAN <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2024 07:33:39 -0700

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Look at wyze and arlo.

Both have battery/solar options that connect to your home wifi, and use
local storage on the camera or can access your NAS and most importantly do
not require a cloud based service or monthly fee.

https://a.co/d/guKjNNk

This one ^^^^ has a rechargeable battery and two way audio and is less than
$30.

I have 3 of them at our vacation house.

  --Miq

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> After yet another issue with a crazy neighbor (had to call the police
> TWICE in two hours), I have decided it's time to install a surveillance
> system of some sort. I don't want a single ring camera as I need at least
> three cameras.
>
> I am hoping for self installation and simple use, but will have it done
> professionally.
>
> Thoughts please, especially if you have direct knowledge from use.
>
> Thanks
> tim
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<div dir=3D"auto">Look at wyze and arlo.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div di=
r=3D"auto">Both have battery/solar options that connect to your home wifi, =
and use local storage on the camera or can access your NAS and most importa=
ntly do not require a cloud based service or monthly fee.=C2=A0</div><div d=
ir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><a href=3D"https://a.co/d/guKjNNk">=
https://a.co/d/guKjNNk</a>=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"auto">This one ^^^^ has a rechargeable battery and two way audio and is=
 less than $30.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I have 3=
 of them at our vacation house.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div=
 dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 --Miq</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Jun 8, 2024, 7:21=E2=80=AFAM Tim . =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">tims_datsun_stuff@outl=
ook.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
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After yet another issue with a crazy neighbor (had to call the police TWICE=
 in two hours), I have decided it&#39;s time to install a surveillance syst=
em of some sort. I don&#39;t want a single ring camera as I need at least t=
hree cameras.=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
I am hoping for self installation and simple use, but will have it done pro=
fessionally.=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br>
</div>
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:rgb(0,0,0)">
Thoughts please, especially if you have direct knowledge from use.=C2=A0</d=
iv>
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Thanks</div>
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From: Pat Horne <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2024 09:40:12 -0500

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Check out alibisecurity.com. They have reasonably priced gear that lasts qui=
te awhile. I=E2=80=99ve been using them for about 15 years & have had no in-=
warranty failures & only one DVR failure on a 9 year old unit. I am a small d=
ealer, having only 5 clients & about 100 cameras. There are cheaper camera s=
ystems out there but  this company is local to me & has local tech help.=20

Peace, Pat

Pat Horne=20
We support Habitat for Humanity

On Jun 8, 2024, at 9:30=E2=80=AFAM, Tim . <[email-masked]> wr=
ote:

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After yet another issue with a crazy neighbor (had to call the police TWICE i=
n two hours), I have decided it's time to install a surveillance system of s=
ome sort. I don't want a single ring camera as I need at least three cameras=
.=20

I am hoping for self installation and simple use, but will have it done prof=
essionally.=20

Thoughts please, especially if you have direct knowledge from use.=20

Thanks
tim

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Check out alibisecurity.com. They have reas=
onably priced gear that lasts quite awhile. I=E2=80=99ve been using them for=
 about 15 years &amp; have had no in-warranty failures &amp; only one DVR fa=
ilure on a 9 year old unit. I am a small dealer, having only 5 clients &amp;=
 about 100 cameras. There are cheaper camera systems out there but &nbsp;thi=
s company is local to me &amp; has local tech help.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div=
>Peace, Pat</div><div><br id=3D"lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature"><div dir=3D=
"ltr">Pat Horne&nbsp;<div>We support Habitat for Humanity</div><div><br></di=
v></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Jun 8, 2024, at 9:30=E2=80=AFAM, Tim . &lt;t=
[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=
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-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
After yet another issue with a crazy neighbor (had to call the police TWICE i=
n two hours), I have decided it's time to install a surveillance system of s=
ome sort. I don't want a single ring camera as I need at least three cameras=
.&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans=
-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
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</div>
<div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans=
-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
I am hoping for self installation and simple use, but will have it done prof=
essionally.&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans=
-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
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</div>
<div class=3D"elementToProof" style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans=
-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
Thoughts please, especially if you have direct knowledge from use.&nbsp;</di=
v>
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Thanks</div>
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tim</div>
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Hi Tim,

I know that you said you do not want a Ring camera and would like
professional installation, but I would like to offer an option.

I currently have three Ring cameras that are wireless and solar powered. It
really is a simple matter of powering them up and connecting to your WiFi.
I believe it is about $50.yr for the 24 service for unlimited number of
cameras, you can monitor multiple cameras simultaneously from your phone or
on your computer, have them send alerts that you can configure, you can
activate them "live" with click to monitor what is going on, you can speak
through them or activate a light, etc.

 I believe they are warranteed for life with the annual service fee (free
replacement, including postage, I have needed to send one back that failed
after about ten years).

I think it is a very good deal.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Hi =
Tim,=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br>=
</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">I know that yo=
u said you do not want a Ring camera and would like professional installati=
on, but I would like to offer=C2=A0an option.</div><div class=3D"gmail_defa=
ult" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"font-size:small">I currently have three=C2=A0Ring cameras that are wire=
less and solar powered. It really is a simple matter of powering them up an=
d connecting to your WiFi. I believe it is about $50.yr for the 24 service =
for unlimited number of cameras, you can monitor multiple=C2=A0cameras=C2=
=A0simultaneously from your phone or on your computer, have them send alert=
s that you can configure, you can activate them &quot;live&quot; with click=
 to monitor=C2=A0what is going on, you can speak through them or activate a=
 light, etc.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><b=
r></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">=C2=A0I beli=
eve=C2=A0they are warranteed=C2=A0for life with the annual=C2=A0service fee=
 (free replacement, including postage, I have needed to send one back that =
failed after about ten years).</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"f=
ont-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:s=
mall">I think it is a very good deal.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" sty=
le=3D"font-size:small"><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Jun 8, 2024 at 7:22=E2=80=AFAM Tim=
 . &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">tims_datsun_stuff@o=
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Does one need to have Alexa or Google Assistant to make the WYZE system 
work?

On 6/8/2024 10:33 AM, MIQ MILLMAN wrote:
> Look at wyze and arlo.
>
> Both have battery/solar options that connect to your home wifi, and 
> use local storage on the camera or can access your NAS and most 
> importantly do not require a cloud based service or monthly fee.
>
> https://a.co/d/guKjNNk
>
> This one ^^^^ has a rechargeable battery and two way audio and is less 
> than $30.
>
> On Sat, Jun 8, 2024, 7:21 AM Tim . <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
>     After yet another issue with a crazy neighbor (had to call the
>     police TWICE in two hours), I have decided it's time to install a
>     surveillance system of some sort. I don't want a single ring
>     camera as I need at least three cameras.
>
>     I am hoping for self installation and simple use, but will have it
>     done professionally.
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    Does one need to have Alexa or Google Assistant to make the WYZE
    system work?<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/8/2024 10:33 AM, MIQ MILLMAN
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      <div dir="auto">Look at wyze and arlo.
        <div dir="auto"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir="auto">Both have battery/solar options that connect to
          your home wifi, and use local storage on the camera or can
          access your NAS and most importantly do not require a cloud
          based service or monthly fee. </div>
        <div dir="auto"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir="auto"><a href="https://a.co/d/guKjNNk"
            moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://a.co/d/guKjNNk</a> </div>
        <div dir="auto"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir="auto">This one ^^^^ has a rechargeable battery and two
          way audio and is less than $30.</div>
        <div dir="auto"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir="auto">I have 3 of them at our vacation house. </div>
        <div dir="auto"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir="auto">  --Miq</div>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jun 8, 2024, 7:21 AM
          Tim . &lt;<a href="mailto:[email-masked]"
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              After yet another issue with a crazy neighbor (had to call
              the police TWICE in two hours), I have decided it's time
              to install a surveillance system of some sort. I don't
              want a single ring camera as I need at least three
              cameras. </div>
            <div
style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
              <br>
            </div>
            <div
style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
              I am hoping for self installation and simple use, but will
              have it done professionally. </div>
            <div
style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
              <br>
            </div>
            <div
style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
              Thoughts please, especially if you have direct knowledge
              from use. </div>
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style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
              <br>
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              Thanks</div>
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              tim</div>
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Tim - I second Old Dirtbeard's response below for a quick solution. 
Rings work well and are easy to install if you have strong WiFi at each 
location.  Rings need about 5Mbps upload speeds, so my initial DSL 
didn't cut it.  I have a Ring doorbell that is fantastic now that I have 
a better ISP.  It is only a few dollars a month of the online package 
that saves a month of recordings.  The motion detection alerts are good 
as well.  It can be triggered by moths at night, but otherwise is great.

My property is spread out vertically and horizontally and I don't have 
good WiFi coverage for a full wireless system, so I put in a wired PoE 
NVR (Network video recorder) system.  PoE is Power over Ethernet so each 
camera is wired with a single cat5e cable.  The advantage of this is 
that there are no solar panels to try and get sun, batteries to monitor, 
or 110v power needed.  The cameras can also be more discrete.  I have a 
4K eight camera system from Lorex bought on sale from Costco.  Video 
quality is great.  The price was good, but the false positives for 
motion detection caused me to turn off the alerts.

My system came with a base network box with a hard drive about the size 
of a dictionary and the cameras.  For most of the cameras I used the 
supplied network cables.  For the other cameras I bought a 500' box of 
cat5e cable and made my own longer cables.  It is pretty easy to make 
cables.  I also have a battery backup (UPS) powering the NVR and my 
internet modem.  I can use my phone and the Lorex app to check each 
camera remotely.  There is no monthly fee because everything is stored 
on the hard drive of the NVR in my house.

You can also get a simple camera that records with a SD memory card.  If 
you go this route, pay extra for a surveillance system quality card that 
is capable of continuous recording.  Any current system that records 
will overwrite old recordings so there is no need to delete anything.  
The bigger the memory, the longer recordings are saved.

If you want to read a bunch on this topic, https://ipcamtalk.com/ is 
very good.

Brian

On 6/8/2024 7:45 AM, old dirtbeard wrote:
> I currently have three Ring cameras that are wireless and solar 
> powered. It really is a simple matter of powering them up and 
> connecting to your WiFi. I believe it is about $50.yr for the 24 
> service for unlimited number of cameras, you can monitor 
> multiple cameras simultaneously from your phone or on your computer, 
> have them send alerts that you can configure, you can activate them 
> "live" with click to monitor what is going on, you can speak through 
> them or activate a light, etc.
>
>  I believe they are warranteed for life with the annual service fee 
> (free replacement, including postage, I have needed to send one back 
> that failed after about ten years).
>
> On Sat, Jun 8, 2024 at 7:22 AM Tim . <[email-masked]> 
> wrote:
>
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    Tim - I second Old Dirtbeard's response below for a quick solution. 
    Rings work well and are easy to install if you have strong WiFi at
    each location.  Rings need about 5Mbps upload speeds, so my initial
    DSL didn't cut it.  I have a Ring doorbell that is fantastic now
    that I have a better ISP.  It is only a few dollars a month of the
    online package that saves a month of recordings.  The motion
    detection alerts are good as well.  It can be triggered by moths at
    night, but otherwise is great.<br>
    <br>
    My property is spread out vertically and horizontally and I don't
    have good WiFi coverage for a full wireless system, so I put in a
    wired PoE NVR (Network video recorder) system.  PoE is Power over
    Ethernet so each camera is wired with a single cat5e cable.  The
    advantage of this is that there are no solar panels to try and get
    sun, batteries to monitor, or 110v power needed.  The cameras can
    also be more discrete.  I have a 4K eight camera system from Lorex
    bought on sale from Costco.  Video quality is great.  The price was
    good, but the false positives for motion detection caused me to turn
    off the alerts.<br>
    <br>
    My system came with a base network box with a hard drive about the
    size of a dictionary and the cameras.  For most of the cameras I
    used the supplied network cables.  For the other cameras I bought a
    500' box of cat5e cable and made my own longer cables.  It is pretty
    easy to make cables.  I also have a battery backup (UPS) powering
    the NVR and my internet modem.  I can use my phone and the Lorex app
    to check each camera remotely.  There is no monthly fee because
    everything is stored on the hard drive of the NVR in my house.<br>
    <br>
    You can also get a simple camera that records with a SD memory
    card.  If you go this route, pay extra for a surveillance system
    quality card that is capable of continuous recording.  Any current
    system that records will overwrite old recordings so there is no
    need to delete anything.  The bigger the memory, the longer
    recordings are saved.<br>
    <br>
    If you want to read a bunch on this topic, <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://ipcamtalk.com/">https://ipcamtalk.com/</a> is
    very good.<br>
    <br>
    Brian<br>
    <br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/8/2024 7:45 AM, old dirtbeard
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        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Hi Tim, </div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">I know that
          you said you do not want a Ring camera and would like
          professional installation, but I would like to offer an
          option.</div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">I currently
          have three Ring cameras that are wireless and solar powered.
          It really is a simple matter of powering them up and
          connecting to your WiFi. I believe it is about $50.yr for the
          24 service for unlimited number of cameras, you can monitor
          multiple cameras simultaneously from your phone or on your
          computer, have them send alerts that you can configure, you
          can activate them "live" with click to monitor what is going
          on, you can speak through them or activate a light, etc.</div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"> I
          believe they are warranteed for life with the annual service
          fee (free replacement, including postage, I have needed to
          send one back that failed after about ten years).</div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">I think it is
          a very good deal.</div>
        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br>
        </div>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jun 8, 2024 at 7:22 AM
          Tim . &lt;<a href="mailto:[email-masked]"
            moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">[email-masked]</a>&gt;
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style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
                After yet another issue with a crazy neighbor (had to
                call the police TWICE in two hours), I have decided it's
                time to install a surveillance system of some sort. I
                don't want a single ring camera as I need at least three
                cameras. </div>
              <div
style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
                <br>
              </div>
              <div
style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
                I am hoping for self installation and simple use, but
                will have it done professionally. </div>
              <div
style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
                <br>
              </div>
              <div
style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
                Thoughts please, especially if you have direct knowledge
                from use. </div>
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No, just access to home wifi, and use the wyze app.

I can turn cameras on or off, set for motion detection, and aim/pan them
remotely from my phone or from the computer I've set up.

The unit I linked uses local storage only.

  --Miq

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> local storage on the camera or can access your NAS and most importantly d=
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> On Sat, Jun 8, 2024, 7:21=E2=80=AFAM Tim . <[email-masked]=
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<div dir=3D"auto"><div>No, just access to home wifi, and use the wyze app.=
=C2=A0<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I can turn cameras on o=
r off, set for motion detection, and aim/pan them remotely from my phone or=
 from the computer I&#39;ve set up.=C2=A0</div><br>The unit I linked uses l=
ocal storage only.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D=
"auto">=C2=A0 --Miq</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote" d=
ir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Jun 8, 2024, 10:4=
8=E2=80=AFAM Jim Juhas &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">james.=
[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><u>=
</u>

 =20
   =20
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  <div>
    Does one need to have Alexa or Google Assistant to make the WYZE
    system work?<br>
    <div><br>
      <img src=3D"cid:ii_18ff8ddd1ed10091b0c1" border=3D"0"></div>
    <div>On 6/8/2024 10:33 AM, MIQ MILLMAN
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      <div dir=3D"auto">Look at wyze and arlo.
        <div dir=3D"auto"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir=3D"auto">Both have battery/solar options that connect to
          your home wifi, and use local storage on the camera or can
          access your NAS and most importantly do not require a cloud
          based service or monthly fee.=C2=A0</div>
        <div dir=3D"auto"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir=3D"auto"><a href=3D"https://a.co/d/guKjNNk" target=3D"_bla=
nk" rel=3D"noreferrer">https://a.co/d/guKjNNk</a>=C2=A0</div>
        <div dir=3D"auto"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir=3D"auto">This one ^^^^ has a rechargeable battery and two
          way audio and is less than $30.</div>
        <div dir=3D"auto"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir=3D"auto">I have 3 of them at our vacation house.=C2=A0</di=
v>
        <div dir=3D"auto"><br>
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        <div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0 --Miq</div>
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          Tim . &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=
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              After yet another issue with a crazy neighbor (had to call
              the police TWICE in two hours), I have decided it&#39;s time
              to install a surveillance system of some sort. I don&#39;t
              want a single ring camera as I need at least three
              cameras.=C2=A0</div>
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              I am hoping for self installation and simple use, but will
              have it done professionally.=C2=A0</div>
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              <br>
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              Thoughts please, especially if you have direct knowledge
              from use.=C2=A0</div>
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I have four Wyze cameras - three of the cube cameras that plug in for
power, and one floodlight camera that runs on house power.  I have mine
connected to Google home, but it isn't required.  I do pay a yearly fee for
enhanced recordings and notifications, but if you can get by with the basic
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I do pay a yearly fee for enhanced recordings and notifications, but if you=
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I am also a Wyze user and overall am very happy with them.  The app is =
simple and intuitive and I don=E2=80=99t (at least currently) subscribe =
to their enhanced monitoring service.  I do have a couple of issues that =
you might want to consider before going with them.

First, I am always disappointed by the time it takes the cameras to =
=E2=80=98react=E2=80=99.  We have a spotlight camera in our driveway and =
I am always surprised by how long it takes for the light to come on and =
the system to notify me when we walk or drive into the driveway.  It =
works perfectly, but if you are counting on reasonably instant =
notification you might want to look into something else.

Second, it feels to me like they have recently made monitoring without =
the service a little harder through recent updates.  It used to be =
pretty simple to view recordings on the app but it takes an extra step =
now and click a button for the SD card, then look for the =E2=80=98event=E2=
=80=99 that was recorded.  Before, you could just click on the image =
from the event and watch.  It isn=E2=80=99t a big deal (unless of =
course, a thief stole your whole camera along with the SD card) but I =
get the feeling they are trying to make it harder to avoid paying for =
the extra service.  That is why I said =E2=80=9Cnot currently=E2=80=9D =
when it comes to the monitoring.

Jim

> On Jun 8, 2024, at 1:39=E2=80=AFPM, Jeff Scarbrough =
<[email-masked]> wrote:
>=20
> I have four Wyze cameras - three of the cube cameras that plug in for =
power, and one floodlight camera that runs on house power.  I have mine =
connected to Google home, but it isn't required.  I do pay a yearly fee =
for enhanced recordings and notifications, but if you can get by with =
the basic free service, it's pretty easy to keep track yourself. =20
>=20
> On Sat, Jun 8, 2024, 12:54 Jim Juhas <[email-masked] =
>> Does one need to have Alexa or Google Assistant to make the WYZE =
system work?
>>> Both have battery/solar options that connect to your home wifi, and =
use local storage on the camera or can access your NAS and most =
importantly do not require a cloud based service or monthly fee.=20
>>>=20
>>> https://a.co/d/guKjNNk=20
>>>=20
>>> This one ^^^^ has a rechargeable battery and two way audio and is =
less than $30.
>>>=20
>>> I have 3 of them at our vacation house.=20
>>>=20
>>>   --Miq
>>>=20
>>> On Sat, Jun 8, 2024, 7:21=E2=80=AFAM Tim . =
wrote:
>>>> After yet another issue with a crazy neighbor (had to call the =
police TWICE in two hours), I have decided it's time to install a =
surveillance system of some sort. I don't want a single ring camera as I =
need at least three cameras.=20
>>>>=20
>>>> I am hoping for self installation and simple use, but will have it =
done professionally.=20
>>>>=20
>>>> Thoughts please, especially if you have direct knowledge from use.=20=

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charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">I am also a =
Wyze user and overall am very happy with them. &nbsp;The app is simple =
and intuitive and I don=E2=80=99t (at least currently) subscribe to =
their enhanced monitoring service. &nbsp;I do have a couple of issues =
that you might want to consider before going with =
them.<div><br></div><div>First, I am always disappointed by the time it =
takes the cameras to =E2=80=98react=E2=80=99. &nbsp;We have a spotlight =
camera in our driveway and I am always surprised by how long it takes =
for the light to come on and the system to notify me when we walk or =
drive into the driveway. &nbsp;It works perfectly, but if you are =
counting on reasonably instant notification you might want to look into =
something else.</div><div><br></div><div>Second, it feels to me like =
they have recently made monitoring without the service a little harder =
through recent updates. &nbsp;It used to be pretty simple to view =
recordings on the app but it takes an extra step now and click a button =
for the SD card, then look for the =E2=80=98event=E2=80=99 that was =
recorded. &nbsp;Before, you could just click on the image from the event =
and watch. &nbsp;It isn=E2=80=99t a big deal (unless of course, a thief =
stole your whole camera along with the SD card) but I get the feeling =
they are trying to make it harder to avoid paying for the extra service. =
&nbsp;That is why I said =E2=80=9Cnot currently=E2=80=9D when it comes =
to the monitoring.</div><div><br></div><div>Jim<br =
id=3D"lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div><br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div>On Jun 8, 2024, at 1:39=E2=80=AFPM, Jeff Scarbrough =
&lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div dir=3D"auto">I have four =
Wyze cameras - three of the cube cameras that plug in for power, and one =
floodlight camera that runs on house power.&nbsp; I have mine connected =
to Google home, but it isn't required.&nbsp; I do pay a yearly fee for =
enhanced recordings and notifications, but if you can get by with the =
basic free service, it's pretty easy to keep track =
yourself.&nbsp;&nbsp;</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr"=
 class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Jun 8, 2024, 12:54 Jim Juhas &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><u></u>

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   =20
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  <div>
    Does one need to have Alexa or Google Assistant to make the WYZE
    system work?<br>
    <div><br>
      <img src=3D"cid:[email-masked]" =
border=3D"0"></div>
    <div>On 6/8/2024 10:33 AM, MIQ MILLMAN
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
     =20
      <div dir=3D"auto">Look at wyze and arlo.
        <div dir=3D"auto"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir=3D"auto">Both have battery/solar options that connect =
to
          your home wifi, and use local storage on the camera or can
          access your NAS and most importantly do not require a cloud
          based service or monthly fee.&nbsp;</div>
        <div dir=3D"auto"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir=3D"auto"><a href=3D"https://a.co/d/guKjNNk" =
target=3D"_blank" =
rel=3D"noreferrer">https://a.co/d/guKjNNk</a>&nbsp;</div>
        <div dir=3D"auto"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir=3D"auto">This one ^^^^ has a rechargeable battery and =
two
          way audio and is less than $30.</div>
        <div dir=3D"auto"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir=3D"auto">I have 3 of them at our vacation =
house.&nbsp;</div>
        <div dir=3D"auto"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir=3D"auto">&nbsp; --Miq</div>
      </div>
      <br>
      <div class=3D"gmail_quote">
        <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Jun 8, 2024, =
7:21=E2=80=AFAM
          Tim . &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" =
target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">[email-masked]</a>&gt;=

          wrote:<br>
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          <div dir=3D"ltr">
            <div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; =
font-size: 12pt;">
              After yet another issue with a crazy neighbor (had to call
              the police TWICE in two hours), I have decided it's time
              to install a surveillance system of some sort. I don't
              want a single ring camera as I need at least three
              cameras.&nbsp;</div>
            <div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; =
font-size: 12pt;">
              <br>
            </div>
            <div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; =
font-size: 12pt;">
              I am hoping for self installation and simple use, but will
              have it done professionally.&nbsp;</div>
            <div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; =
font-size: 12pt;">
              <br>
            </div>
            <div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; =
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              Thoughts please, especially if you have direct knowledge
              from use.&nbsp;</div>
            <div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; =
font-size: 12pt;">
              <br>
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              Thanks</div>
            <div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; =
font-size: 12pt;">
              tim</div>
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