Subject: [Shop-talk] instant water heater

From: "john" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2023 08:36:18 -0600

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Tired of water in my shop sink being so cold in the winter that my fingers =
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up when I wash my hands...Thinking
about a tankless water heater... Will have limited use, not like a unit in =
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home and it=20
can't break the bank.
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110 v vrs 220 v. ??  I can wire both but it's a pain=20
to do in a cramped attic and 76 year old body...
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what's best ??  suggestions ??
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thanks
john
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">110 v vrs 220 v. ??&nbsp; I can wire both but =
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<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">Tired of water in my shop sink being so cold in=
 the winter that my fingers lock up when I wash my hands...Thinking</font></=
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<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">about a tankless water heater... Will have limi=
ted use, not like a unit in a home and it can't break the bank.</font></div>=

<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">110 v vrs 220 v. ??&nbsp; I can wire both but i=
t's a pain to do in a cramped attic and 76 year old body...</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">what's best ??&nbsp; suggestions ??</font></div=
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">thanks</font></div>
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Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2023 10:23:39 -0500

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You might want to consider a "point-of-use" unit.  They're essentially
small tank style heaters that can easily fit under a sink.  The reason I
recommend this is that they can heat the water with less power so you don't
need 220V.   I see several 110V units on Amazon from Bosch and Rheem for
$200-300 that hold a few gallons of water.

I also saw a few cheaper no-name units that claimed to be tankless and
3000W, but had a normal 110V plug.  You can't pull more than 15 A at 110V
from the plug shown and that limits you to about 1650W.  At that power I'm
not sure how hot you could get the water if they are truly tankless.  It
would take the chill off but may not make it "hot".   Anyway, one lie makes
me question everything they say, so buyer beware.  The Bosch unit said
1440W or 12 amps at 120V.  Very doable with "typical" wiring.

Ben

Ben Zwissler
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812-343-5533
Columbus, IN

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> Tired of water in my shop sink being so cold in the winter that my finger=
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> lock up when I wash my hands...Thinking
> about a tankless water heater... Will have limited use, not like a unit i=
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> a home and it can't break the bank.
>
> 110 v vrs 220 v. ??  I can wire both but it's a pain to do in a cramped
> attic and 76 year old body...
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<div dir=3D"ltr">You might want to consider a &quot;point-of-use&quot; unit=
.=C2=A0 They&#39;re essentially small tank style heaters that can easily fi=
t under a sink.=C2=A0 The reason I recommend this is that they can heat the=
 water with less power so you don&#39;t need 220V.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I see severa=
l 110V units on Amazon from Bosch and Rheem for $200-300 that hold a few ga=
llons of water.<div><br></div><div>I also saw a few cheaper no-name units t=
hat claimed to be tankless and 3000W, but had a normal 110V plug.=C2=A0 You=
 can&#39;t pull more than 15 A at 110V=C2=A0 from the=C2=A0plug shown and t=
hat limits you to about 1650W.=C2=A0 At that power I&#39;m not sure how hot=
 you could get the water if they are truly tankless.=C2=A0 It would take th=
e chill off but may not make it &quot;hot&quot;.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Anyway, one li=
e makes me question everything they say, so buyer beware.=C2=A0 The Bosch u=
nit said 1440W or 12 amps at 120V.=C2=A0 Very doable with &quot;typical&quo=
t; wiring.</div><div><br></div><div>Ben</div><div><br></div><div><br></div>=
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<div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">Tired of water in my shop sink being so cold i=
n the winter that my fingers lock up when I wash my hands...Thinking</font>=
</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">about a tankless water heater... Will have lim=
ited use, not like a unit in a home and it can&#39;t break the bank.</font>=
</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">110 v vrs 220 v. ??=C2=A0 I can wire both but =
it&#39;s a pain to do in a cramped attic and 76 year old body...</font></di=
v>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">what&#39;s best ??=C2=A0 suggestions ??</font>=
</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">thanks</font></div>
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Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2023 11:28:11 -0500

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If you really just want it for washing your hands, something like this =
should be more than enough.  =
https://www.amazon.com/Bosch-Electric-Mini-Tank-Heater-2-5-Gallon/dp/B0148=
O658Y/ref=3Dsr_1_5?crid=3D18UQX0CNA7W4Q&keywords=3Dunder%2Bsink%2Bwater%2B=
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%2Belectric%2Caps%2C100&sr=3D8-5&th=3D1. I got tired of waiting for hot =
water to reach my kitchen sink for quick hand washing, etc and installed =
the 7 gallon version and it has been perfect.  I put it in the hot water =
line about 5 feet from the sink (the closest place it could be easily =
installed) and we get quick hot water when we need it.  Unless they have =
made changes from when I did this about 3 years ago, the 7 gallon =
version needs to be hard-wired to a dedicated line, while the 2.5 and 4 =
gallon ones can just be plugged in, which makes them a lot easier to =
install.

> On Dec 13, 2023, at 10:16 AM, Tom Coradeschi <[email-masked]> =
wrote:
>=20
> I have a Rheem (gas fired) and am very pleased with it. This is their =
120V electric unit
> =
https://www.rheem.com/product/rheem-professional-classic-series-rtex-04-rt=
ex-06-rtex-04/
>=20
> Tom Coradeschi
>=20
>> On Dec 13, 2023, at 10:08=E2=80=AFAM, john <[email-masked]> wrote:
>>=20
>> =EF=BB=BF
>> Tired of water in my shop sink being so cold in the winter that my =
fingers lock up when I wash my hands...Thinking
>> about a tankless water heater... Will have limited use, not like a =
unit in a home and it can't break the bank.
>> =20
>> 110 v vrs 220 v. ??  I can wire both but it's a pain to do in a =
cramped attic and 76 year old body...
>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk =
http://autox.team.net/archive
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charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">If you really =
just want it for washing your hands, something like this should be more =
than enough. &nbsp;<a =
href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/Bosch-Electric-Mini-Tank-Heater-2-5-Gallon/=
dp/B0148O658Y/ref=3Dsr_1_5?crid=3D18UQX0CNA7W4Q&amp;keywords=3Dunder%2Bsin=
k%2Bwater%2Bheater%2Belectric&amp;qid=3D1702484567&amp;sprefix=3Dunder%2Bs=
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/ref=3Dsr_1_5?crid=3D18UQX0CNA7W4Q&amp;keywords=3Dunder%2Bsink%2Bwater%2Bh=
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Bheater%2Belectric%2Caps%2C100&amp;sr=3D8-5&amp;th=3D1</a>. I got tired =
of waiting for hot water to reach my kitchen sink for quick hand =
washing, etc and installed the 7 gallon version and it has been perfect. =
&nbsp;I put it in the hot water line about 5 feet from the sink (the =
closest place it could be easily installed) and we get quick hot water =
when we need it. &nbsp;Unless they have made changes from when I did =
this about 3 years ago, the 7 gallon version needs to be hard-wired to a =
dedicated line, while the 2.5 and 4 gallon ones can just be plugged in, =
which makes them a lot easier to install.<br><div><br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div>On Dec 13, 2023, at 10:16 AM, Tom Coradeschi =
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Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2023 11:51:20 -0500

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On 12/13/23 09:36, john wrote:
> Tired of water in my shop sink being so cold in the winter that my 
> about a tankless water heater... Will have limited use, not like a 
> 110 v vrs 220 v. ??  I can wire both but it's a pain to do in a 

Back before COVID when I had an office, our bathrooms had a point-of-use 
tankless heater under the sinks.  I'm pretty sure they were 120@20A.  
One heater fed 4 sinks.  Seemed to work fine. Water could get 
uncomfortably hot.

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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/13/23 09:36, john wrote:<br>
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      <div><font face="Segoe UI">Tired of water in my shop sink being so
          cold in the winter that my fingers lock up when I wash my
          hands...Thinking</font></div>
      <div><font face="Segoe UI">about a tankless water heater... Will
          have limited use, not like a unit in a home and it can't break
          the bank.</font></div>
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      <div><font face="Segoe UI">110 v vrs 220 v. ??  I can wire both
          but it's a pain to do in a cramped attic and 76 year old
          body...</font></div>
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      <div><font face="Segoe UI">what's best ??  suggestions ??</font></div>
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    <p>Back before COVID when I had an office, our bathrooms had a
      point-of-use tankless heater under the sinks.  I'm pretty sure
      they were 120@20A.  One heater fed 4 sinks.  Seemed to work fine. 
      Water could get uncomfortably hot.</p>
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I have installed a few tankless units over the years 220v & propane. I=E2=80=
=99d suggest you run heavy enough wire to support the highest current that m=
ight be needed just in case. Both will require 2 conductors plus ground.=20

An alternative might be a small (1-2 gallon) tank type heater that you turn o=
n when you start work. It can be plugged into a 120v outlet.=20

Peace, Pat

Pat Horne=20
We support Habitat for Humanity

On Dec 13, 2023, at 9:07=E2=80=AFAM, john <[email-masked]> wrote:

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Tired of water in my shop sink being so cold in the winter that my fingers l=
ock up when I wash my hands...Thinking
about a tankless water heater... Will have limited use, not like a unit in a=
 home and it can't break the bank.
=20
110 v vrs 220 v. ??  I can wire both but it's a pain to do in a cramped atti=
c and 76 year old body...
=20
what's best ??  suggestions ??
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
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he years 220v &amp; propane. I=E2=80=99d suggest you run heavy enough wire t=
o support the highest current that might be needed just in case. Both will r=
equire 2 conductors plus ground.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>An alternative mig=
ht be a small (1-2 gallon) tank type heater that you turn on when you start w=
ork. It can be plugged into a 120v outlet.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Pe=
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r">Pat Horne&nbsp;<div>We support Habitat for Humanity</div><div><br></div><=
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> On Dec 13, 2023, at 09:01, john <[email-masked]> wrote:
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> Tired of water in my shop sink being so cold in the winter that my fingers=
> about a tankless water heater... Will have limited use, not like a unit in=
> =20
> 110 v vrs 220 v. ??  I can wire both but it's a pain to do in a cramped at=
tic and 76 year old body...

I second the suggestion for a small tank heater. My past office had one for t=
he suite kitchen. It was probably 5 gallons, and was plenty for that case. I=
t was connected with a normal plug. (It was probably on a dedicated circuit.=
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