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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 6e5b71552db8bc58ebef8d1f45dc943b; Wed, 02 Aug 2023 19:20:06 +0000 (UTC) From: "john" To: "shop-talk" Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2023 14:20:04 -0500 User-Agent: OEClassic/4.2 (Win10.19045; P; 2023-07-18) References: <1UekcEtM4O.2XtFfbre8Dm.ref@johns-desktop> mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Subject: [Shop-talk] homeowner/ shop guy cordless drill Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0279770249665611654== --------------030402050505010201030808 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline what is the consensus on a decent cordless drill for a homeowner/shop=20 tinkerer/classic truck owner. I finally let the smoke out of it (literally) yesterday and the torque sett= ing=20 ring is just about stripped...yea I overworked it =20 the internet likes the Dewalt 20v DCD771C2) for around a hundred bucks an= d=20 that's pretty much in my budget. It seems that Dewalt has at least 576 models of 1/2" drill depending on whats included and what mont= h it is. =20 Won't=20 be used daily and certainly not trades type work...Just an above average sh= op=20 guy at home =20 https://www.amazon.com/Dewalt-DCD771C2-Cordless-Lithium-Ion- Compact/dp/B00ET5VMTU?source=3Dps-sl-shoppingads- lpcontext&ref_=3Dfplfs&smid=3DATVPDKIKX0DER&th=3D1 =20 =20 you recommendations are always appreciated but keep them under 150.00 don= 't need all the included gizmos and bits and screwdrivers and carrying case= =2E..just a basic drill/charger and a couple of batteries =20 john --------------030402050505010201030808 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
what is the con= sensus on a decent cordless drill for a homeowner/shop tinkerer/classic tru= ck owner.
I finally let the smoke out of it (literally) = yesterday and the torque setting ring is just about stripped...yea I overwo= rked it
 
the internet likes the Dewalt 20v  DCD771= C2) for around a hundred bucks  and that's pretty much in my budget.&n= bsp; It seems that Dewalt has
at least 576 models of 1/2" drill depending on= whats included and what month it is.
 
Won't be used daily and certainly not trades t= ype work...Just an above average shop guy at home
 
 
you recommendations are always appreciated but= keep them under 150.00   don't need all the included gizmos and = bits and screwdrivers and carrying case...just a basic drill/charger and a<= /FONT>
couple of batteries
 
john
--------------030402050505010201030808-- --===============0279770249665611654== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============0279770249665611654==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 2 14:59:30 2023 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBE26A0B0C for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2023 14:59:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ed1-f46.google.com (unknown [209.85.208.46]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB708A05CA for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2023 14:10:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ed1-f46.google.com with SMTP id 4fb4d7f45d1cf-5216095a698so43970a12.0 for ; Wed, 02 Aug 2023 13:10:51 -0700 (PDT) d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1691007051; x=1691611851; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=pqRjsH0LLfQH6V4Ho1qaWZ6HrzQ8xUQ/nHcltmaahUU=; b=hzkbt8qzt4x1YKtgAYZJqqgzbh/5AWaAMd6YcinUl5ELuAaP6GInK6fDKP93nj2g+G vS4upcTyiALuI3TvxZJhqKQLu1zzKFdskIWv1KtNENQ/QYmvQHLo+3ux+4v8tATElm/+ fJuvNMtqqH4roFe3vb3R6pvedXUhnkSEn8noZPdfDwjqDLphbykaIOBZ5w1RzlyI4ydX XCMPaR93BHUn3x1iazxXcGWWH0X40Lkdj/Js9xuAVkwrxKbBA3mbE9nfIE5dpIrj0hc5 Y939Mw7jz+3iWgLCR3Q8ysDkdjRSj+Hh4yXxp8UiOXtkt3caN/sf4jOrvBRok6kyLXQB c7lg== d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1691007051; x=1691611851; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=pqRjsH0LLfQH6V4Ho1qaWZ6HrzQ8xUQ/nHcltmaahUU=; b=WLDldT7ggVikGEHmBRc9c7nNSGTeCmRNLzU19xw6Aze7X//Rw+Y58kYYkvaLGJltra qhvEDgQINnbfaLQpg9h03bGxmzNAiaQ22Vb8EwAVBOEomFq3n8XYdDb3F692kzpSp8IO 3TULx26uLuaP454xWPoiQJ3jKXpJ9jXfHT37VtAQybOhZLiMM3kMNE5O3bkdm7JmGyvu g65riOVeazc84I5RQY69HahBOqwvf5XCv+e0MiFPLf9bxkV2NX2yNnC3aH6q67lC2n9F d6o7gjbA17UE7IVZe8u0Y+rmxnnCmxHBaFxkupVsrLpVEmi1D4KkHA2MJS/NFj1PzOko 6HBw== oyeKs2Jgu63jd93tubpnid4q48ouh25cuS6M/cI= m21-20020a056402431500b005217a4b09d1mr12095497edc.2.1691007050689; Wed, 02 Aug 2023 13:10:50 -0700 (PDT) References: <1UekcEtM4O.2XtFfbre8Dm.ref@johns-desktop> <1UekcEtM4O.2XtFfbre8Dm@johns-desktop> From: Eric Russell Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2023 16:10:24 -0400 To: john Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] homeowner/ shop guy cordless drill Cc: shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============8719484582507136467== --00000000000091b1560601f642d8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a DeWalt cordless drill. It has performed well. After many years the batteries don't last as long as they used to. And of course a new drill with new batteries & charger would cost less than replacing just the batteries. And the current batteries are not backwards compatible. EjR On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 4:03=E2=80=AFPM john wrote: > what is the consensus on a decent cordless drill for a homeowner/shop > tinkerer/classic truck owner. > I finally let the smoke out of it (literally) yesterday and the torque > setting ring is just about stripped...yea I overworked it > > the internet likes the Dewalt 20v DCD771C2) for around a hundred bucks > and that's pretty much in my budget. It seems that Dewalt has > at least 576 models of 1/2" drill depending on whats included and what > month it is. > > Won't be used daily and certainly not trades type work...Just an above > average shop guy at home > > > https://www.amazon.com/Dewalt-DCD771C2-Cordless-Lithium-Ion-Compact/dp/B0= 0ET5VMTU?source=3Dps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=3Dfplfs&smid=3DATVPDKIKX= 0DER&th=3D1 > > > you recommendations are always appreciated but keep them under 150.00 > don't need all the included gizmos and bits and screwdrivers and carrying > case...just a basic drill/charger and a > couple of batteries > > john > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/ejrussell61@gmail.com > > --00000000000091b1560601f642d8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I h= ave a DeWalt cordless drill. It has performed well. After many years the ba= tteries don't last as long as they used to. And of course a new drill w= ith new batteries & charger would cost less than replacing just the bat= teries. And the current batteries are not backwards compatible.=C2=A0
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EjR=C2=A0

On Wed, Aug 2, = 2023 at 4:03=E2=80=AFPM john <jniolon= @att.net> wrote:
what is the con= sensus on a decent cordless drill for a homeowner/shop tinkerer/classic tru= ck owner.
I finally let the smoke out of it (literally) = yesterday and the torque setting ring is just about stripped...yea I overwo= rked it
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the internet likes the Dewalt 20v=C2=A0 DCD771= C2) for around a hundred bucks=C2=A0 and that's pretty much in my budge= t.=C2=A0 It seems that Dewalt has
at least 576 models of 1/2" drill dependi= ng on whats included and what month it is.
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Won't be used daily and certainly not trad= es type work...Just an above average shop guy at home
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you recommendations are always appreciated but= keep them under 150.00=C2=A0=C2=A0 don't need all the included gizmos = and bits and screwdrivers and carrying case...just a basic drill/charger an= d a
couple of batteries
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--00000000000091b1560601f642d8-- --===============8719484582507136467== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============8719484582507136467==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 2 15:15:42 2023 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E345A03E8 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2023 15:15:42 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from ms11p00im-qufo17292001.me.com (unknown [17.58.38.49]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9950FA066F for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2023 14:24:05 -0600 (MDT) s=1a1hai; t=1691007845; bh=ZGezw/iET4JyjQWMWQQS24nW3zHXFnbQ/pVoM7bLIPc=; h=Content-Type:From:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To; b=vDmVGzpuw+6ys9wCJnm96jkR9CHNZ/1QUKf0M6GpMAU7VKduM0wyq9yy/OdQWQR8h woOclV2vKaqQoSxHgLWHibD7HrOFFtFqEVLoMxY267svjTBDF9Z9U/odJsLcc1I43z eyZVyPik3QHmFT85flcRvaGY7al96Xekv6RlDSIkLQhG08arh3L14/7/MhJg8OU6HZ 4JPlrxp8x84OuFcstNTHKkw/1G0UzlIyzziXMN88FekvSZKgiMkKI1WX4e1PsGgvt/ TCYNz9k0ti0DyNG/YfbAF5mkccR32SHL6+jYBqomurkqkhfu+4X3Zlc2BUunDs1U2X L3uHkSILhRoJA== Received: from smtpclient.apple (ms11p00im-dlb-asmtpmailmevip.me.com [17.57.154.19]) by ms11p00im-qufo17292001.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 259A1A604AF; Wed, 2 Aug 2023 20:24:04 +0000 (UTC) From: Pat Horne Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2023 15:23:52 -0500 References: <1UekcEtM4O.2XtFfbre8Dm@johns-desktop> To: john =?UTF-8?Q?2903e8d5c8f:6.0.425,18.0.572,17.11.62.513.0000000_definitions?= =?UTF-8?Q?=3D2022-01-14=5F01:2022-01-14=5F01,2020-02-14=5F11,2021-12-02?= =?UTF-8?Q?=5F01_signatures=3D0?= bulkscore=0 mlxscore=0 spamscore=0 adultscore=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 clxscore=1015 mlxlogscore=999 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2212070000 definitions=main-2308020179 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] homeowner/ shop guy cordless drill Cc: shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============7059875728646317719== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-84CD8442-D940-452F-ABC5-74A5E4B0DA02 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John, I=E2=80=99ve been using DeWalt t power tools since the early 90s while= building houses with Habitat for Humanity & am very pleased with them. They= now have brushless motors which produce more torque & last the battery last= s longer on each charge compared to earlier models.=20 Check out CPO outlets (cpooutlets.com) they sell factory refurbished tools &= excess stock. I have not been able to tell the difference between what they= sell & what Home Depot sells, including paperwork & box.=20 Peace, Pat Pat Horne=20 We support Habitat for Humanity On Aug 2, 2023, at 3:16 PM, john wrote: =EF=BB=BF what is the consensus on a decent cordless drill for a homeowner/shop tinker= er/classic truck owner. I finally let the smoke out of it (literally) yesterday and the torque setti= ng ring is just about stripped...yea I overworked it =20 the internet likes the Dewalt 20v DCD771C2) for around a hundred bucks and= that's pretty much in my budget. It seems that Dewalt has at least 576 models of 1/2" drill depending on whats included and what month= it is. =20 Won't be used daily and certainly not trades type work...Just an above avera= ge shop guy at home =20 https://www.amazon.com/Dewalt-DCD771C2-Cordless-Lithium-Ion-Compact/dp/B00ET= 5VMTU?source=3Dps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=3Dfplfs&smid=3DATVPDKIKX0DER= &th=3D1 =20 =20 you recommendations are always appreciated but keep them under 150.00 don'= t need all the included gizmos and bits and screwdrivers and carrying case..= .just a basic drill/charger and a couple of batteries =20 john _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archi= ve as@icloud.com --Apple-Mail-84CD8442-D940-452F-ABC5-74A5E4B0DA02 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John, I=E2=80=99ve been using DeWalt t powe= r tools since the early 90s while building houses with Habitat for Humanity &= amp; am very pleased with them. They now have brushless motors which produce= more torque & last the battery lasts longer on each charge compared to e= arlier models. 

Check out CPO outlets (cpooutlets.co= m) they sell factory refurbished tools & excess stock. I have not been a= ble to tell the difference between what they sell & what Home Depot sell= s, including paperwork & box. 

Peace, Pat

Pat Horne 
We support Habitat for Humanity
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On Aug 2, 2023, at 3:16 PM, john <jni= olon@att.net> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
what is the cons= ensus on a decent cordless drill for a homeowner/shop tinkerer/classic truck= owner.
I finally let the smoke out of it (literally) y= esterday and the torque setting ring is just about stripped...yea I overwork= ed it
 
the internet likes the Dewalt 20v  DCD771C= 2) for around a hundred bucks  and that's pretty much in my budget.&nbs= p; It seems that Dewalt has
at least 576 models of 1/2" drill depending on w= hats included and what month it is.
 
Won't be used daily and certainly not trades ty= pe work...Just an above average shop guy at home
 
 
you recommendations are always appreciated but k= eep them under 150.00   don't need all the included gizmos and bit= s and screwdrivers and carrying case...just a basic drill/charger and a
couple of batteries
 
john
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= --Apple-Mail-84CD8442-D940-452F-ABC5-74A5E4B0DA02-- --===============7059875728646317719== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============7059875728646317719==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 2 15:32:11 2023 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08DBDA05CE for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2023 15:32:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yw1-f172.google.com (unknown [209.85.128.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A08ACA0410 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2023 14:25:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-yw1-f172.google.com with SMTP id 00721157ae682-583f65806f8so1606537b3.0 for ; Wed, 02 Aug 2023 13:25:43 -0700 (PDT) d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1691007943; x=1691612743; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=n262HELw+MDtvOSFZctRBS96uVuL3nOBbIi7ViPsWAY=; b=N7FtwPEhSqX5wkDNQlFl+GsaI3yhrI1Vb6nXlI2UoVwbJsYRVz/XdhqreXSqvCRIE1 V/er4PHhSLZNRB8pITuApRG3YFQbZ7aX4RfkyEWwci/0ue6ZI+578NF8xa9OMoAtcgR9 5Y/tkzZfHHCFvjBujSDBlPkFeZNq57Zn9LSdavDEasXlRJpG5SIv0MNOtQZO/8H89LFt PjHlcdpiDe5MTAghBuQ12FBtrGtgrxOYtEaEJtLDgIYzZwWOqKSHvzaSIRbv8b40kM7o t0Q1HONa/0NPI1nG8rETCIdMyr2lM154vPmx3pFaAAeRVG2031hWbVAHOhlFvvOc887M +SAA== d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1691007943; x=1691612743; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=n262HELw+MDtvOSFZctRBS96uVuL3nOBbIi7ViPsWAY=; b=FpFeNcn3OenQmeZiPvz2H0iw9WY1KSByflJ4+Ksm/1gDjUVDaXouZ0DUZyrLz1ZQvX WohMBjDXQKnjscr6SVX58p9Kjtwz/xg2kIvXUM5Z9L3xF1S0rtoU1yfHHTnffti2V616 TxWgYaZakvHgXpeSG7bIdOkWCsDjpULCMKGnkOvI+lf/vBEG5oTR2XPbGzdcM4aVIKId g5YoqRfue2lzus01UxEhRPOq4ppb/qcKb+kECA2hbhJexz+SfxPTQrtJhOI+4HiT1nq8 MR6dJaCQAyrazy+T1JIML5g4XmbQRvVOSTDB6fMo+spgBrZFvPdy1zRbM4CPOy46Ss7t cG8A== XPdQ0EcXMPSinzk4p+VlplagZ78mF3N//LgYvQQNSPT1 f132-20020a816a8a000000b005868919e4b0mr1431888ywc.6.1691007943104; Wed, 02 Aug 2023 13:25:43 -0700 (PDT) References: <1UekcEtM4O.2XtFfbre8Dm.ref@johns-desktop> <1UekcEtM4O.2XtFfbre8Dm@johns-desktop> From: Jeff Scarbrough Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2023 16:25:33 -0400 To: john Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] homeowner/ shop guy cordless drill Cc: shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0354802822984820937== --000000000000c2dbf90601f677ac I started with blemished/reconditioned Ryobi One+ tools from DirectTool (they are at the outlet mall near me, but also online). https://www.directtoolsoutlet.com/ In ten years, ten tools and six batteries, I've only had one battery failure. The pros I work with turn up their noses at them, but for what I do they are just fine. Drill-driver and impact driver plus 2 batteries and a charger for $100 https://www.directtoolsoutlet.com/product/ZRPCL1200K2 On Wed, Aug 2, 2023, 16:13 john wrote: > what is the consensus on a decent cordless drill for a homeowner/shop > tinkerer/classic truck owner. > I finally let the smoke out of it (literally) yesterday and the torque > setting ring is just about stripped...yea I overworked it > > the internet likes the Dewalt 20v DCD771C2) for around a hundred bucks > and that's pretty much in my budget. It seems that Dewalt has > at least 576 models of 1/2" drill depending on whats included and what > month it is. > > Won't be used daily and certainly not trades type work...Just an above > average shop guy at home > > > https://www.amazon.com/Dewalt-DCD771C2-Cordless-Lithium-Ion-Compact/dp/B00ET5VMTU?source=ps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=fplfs&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&th=1 > > > you recommendations are always appreciated but keep them under 150.00 > don't need all the included gizmos and bits and screwdrivers and carrying > case...just a basic drill/charger and a > couple of batteries > > john > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/fishplate@gmail.com > > --000000000000c2dbf90601f677ac Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I started with blemished/reconditioned Ryobi One+ tools f= rom DirectTool (they are at the outlet mall near me, but also online).=C2= =A0=C2=A0

https://www.directtoolsoutlet.com/

In ten years, ten tools and six bat= teries, I've only had one battery failure.=C2=A0 The pros I work with t= urn up their noses at them, but for what I do they are just fine.=C2=A0=C2= =A0

Drill-driver and imp= act driver plus 2 batteries and a charger for $100
<= br>

On Wed, Aug 2, 2023, 16:13 john <jniolon@att.net> wrote:
what is the con= sensus on a decent cordless drill for a homeowner/shop tinkerer/classic tru= ck owner.
I finally let the smoke out of it (literally) = yesterday and the torque setting ring is just about stripped...yea I overwo= rked it
=C2=A0
the internet likes the Dewalt 20v=C2=A0 DCD771= C2) for around a hundred bucks=C2=A0 and that's pretty much in my budge= t.=C2=A0 It seems that Dewalt has
at least 576 models of 1/2" drill dependi= ng on whats included and what month it is.
=C2=A0
Won't be used daily and certainly not trad= es type work...Just an above average shop guy at home
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
you recommendations are always appreciated but= keep them under 150.00=C2=A0=C2=A0 don't need all the included gizmos = and bits and screwdrivers and carrying case...just a basic drill/charger an= d a
couple of batteries
=C2=A0
john
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--000000000000c2dbf90601f677ac-- --===============0354802822984820937== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============0354802822984820937==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 2 15:50:29 2023 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B45C2A04FD for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2023 15:50:29 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from ms11p00im-qufo17282101.me.com (unknown [17.58.38.58]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97F6DA04ED for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2023 14:28:24 -0600 (MDT) s=1a1hai; t=1691008104; bh=QalXs4+R4cDuigMibsMHYB6kr8ubOgh/ZknCq1D1Y7g=; h=Content-Type:From:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To; b=MMb8US6BCIeI9o8uTNOtsYc85HYGM7qmVORkFUTglVqcXvGky6qPrdMy2L7HZYy3h fXCDwcmaOnHw5CjFvNqTWnsgup+rfBe4WGcP9aJ7Tlx+kJWF6pi37LpSD199QQC7Rc 2zrixvq/iC0JJ4D4ckQkgGJOZMNMwS0p2dYOfwAPdxTP9oprnU21cmtRNCCOkTDW5u Up5bVmUEMMsQoxSJ19AwMmr1vwWR0EUZO7N5JphhEHC71YhcbDVU/Je5pEO3eQb8TO HDeueygTD1ij9JOY98mi9fE6LFuJ6MMNX8zwq1pmGTPgmALdhQLuVynmm4EIp8aJ0Y ZJFYrexZ6ClYA== Received: from smtpclient.apple (ms11p00im-dlb-asmtpmailmevip.me.com [17.57.154.19]) by ms11p00im-qufo17282101.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 10F418C0390; Wed, 2 Aug 2023 20:28:23 +0000 (UTC) From: Pat Horne Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2023 15:28:11 -0500 References: <1UekcEtM4O.2XtFfbre8Dm@johns-desktop> To: john =?UTF-8?Q?2903e8d5c8f:6.0.138,18.0.572,17.0.605.474.0000000_definitions?= =?UTF-8?Q?=3D2020-02-14=5F11:2020-02-14=5F02,2020-02-14=5F11,2020-01-23?= =?UTF-8?Q?=5F02_signatures=3D0?= mlxscore=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 clxscore=1015 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2212070000 definitions=main-2308020180 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] homeowner/ shop guy cordless drill Cc: shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============7907208528003095220== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-EF9E64A6-41BA-457D-B260-50BFB0BBB4E1 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One thing I forgot to mention is that 20v drills are not that light & I=E2=80= =99ve see it stated that most homeowners can get by with 12v units. But what= =E2=80=99s the fun in =E2=80=9Cgetting by=E2=80=9D! Pat Horne=20 We support Habitat for Humanity On Aug 2, 2023, at 3:16 PM, john wrote: =EF=BB=BF what is the consensus on a decent cordless drill for a homeowner/shop tinker= er/classic truck owner. I finally let the smoke out of it (literally) yesterday and the torque setti= ng ring is just about stripped...yea I overworked it =20 the internet likes the Dewalt 20v DCD771C2) for around a hundred bucks and= that's pretty much in my budget. It seems that Dewalt has at least 576 models of 1/2" drill depending on whats included and what month= it is. =20 Won't be used daily and certainly not trades type work...Just an above avera= ge shop guy at home =20 https://www.amazon.com/Dewalt-DCD771C2-Cordless-Lithium-Ion-Compact/dp/B00ET= 5VMTU?source=3Dps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=3Dfplfs&smid=3DATVPDKIKX0DER= &th=3D1 =20 =20 you recommendations are always appreciated but keep them under 150.00 don'= t need all the included gizmos and bits and screwdrivers and carrying case..= .just a basic drill/charger and a couple of batteries =20 john _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archi= ve as@icloud.com --Apple-Mail-EF9E64A6-41BA-457D-B260-50BFB0BBB4E1 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One thing I forgot to mention is that 20v d= rills are not that light & I=E2=80=99ve see it stated that most homeowne= rs can get by with 12v units. But what=E2=80=99s the fun in =E2=80=9Cgetting= by=E2=80=9D!

Pat Horne 
We support Habitat= for Humanity


On Aug 2, 2023,= at 3:16 PM, john <jniolon@att.net> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
what is the cons= ensus on a decent cordless drill for a homeowner/shop tinkerer/classic truck= owner.
I finally let the smoke out of it (literally) y= esterday and the torque setting ring is just about stripped...yea I overwork= ed it
 
the internet likes the Dewalt 20v  DCD771C= 2) for around a hundred bucks  and that's pretty much in my budget.&nbs= p; It seems that Dewalt has
at least 576 models of 1/2" drill depending on w= hats included and what month it is.
 
Won't be used daily and certainly not trades ty= pe work...Just an above average shop guy at home
 
 
you recommendations are always appreciated but k= eep them under 150.00   don't need all the included gizmos and bit= s and screwdrivers and carrying case...just a basic drill/charger and a
couple of batteries
 
john
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It's extra-compact, but insanely stron= g.=C2=A0 I ended up getting some other Makita tools that use the same batte= ries.

If DeWalt also sells a full-power compact dr= ill, you should consider it.=C2=A0 They are lighter, and will fit in more p= laces.

Doug

On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 4:10= =E2=80=AFPM john <jniolon@att.net= > wrote:
what is the con= sensus on a decent cordless drill for a homeowner/shop tinkerer/classic tru= ck owner.
I finally let the smoke out of it (literally) = yesterday and the torque setting ring is just about stripped...yea I overwo= rked it
=C2=A0
the internet likes the Dewalt 20v=C2=A0 DCD771= C2) for around a hundred bucks=C2=A0 and that's pretty much in my budge= t.=C2=A0 It seems that Dewalt has
at least 576 models of 1/2" drill dependi= ng on whats included and what month it is.
=C2=A0
Won't be used daily and certainly not trad= es type work...Just an above average shop guy at home
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
you recommendations are always appreciated but= keep them under 150.00=C2=A0=C2=A0 don't need all the included gizmos = and bits and screwdrivers and carrying case...just a basic drill/charger an= d a
couple of batteries
=C2=A0
john
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--0000000000008e0f410601f688b0-- --===============5355169320726219943== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============5355169320726219943==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 2 16:37:58 2023 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4E37A0AB0 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2023 16:37:58 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oi1-f170.google.com (unknown [209.85.167.170]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3166A0B0C for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2023 14:57:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oi1-f170.google.com with SMTP id 5614622812f47-3a5abb5e2aeso161515b6e.0 for ; Wed, 02 Aug 2023 13:57:47 -0700 (PDT) d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1691009867; x=1691614667; h=to:in-reply-to:cc:references:message-id:date:subject:mime-version :from:content-transfer-encoding:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=6F/1N5sT3kLPU3Ez3MWA4h5KyaLf5fQBQQFXJL0IV2g=; b=NUDTPUw618vsNJ9zWQ8sja/CvBf8d3SFAyWcyw6KOq3K6K/q2LmuSKIuCLfWGgDPR1 KHnuPUMffanngw2MMZ91xzI77JArV15FrGnf6lEUZGoTfwhkDYe36078JDvRGVFy4woh e31r25ZT61VIVC6y0llAdZKmSVlCZ3ff4gEZFjeal7tiBQFyV/GCtJigb+1oINk347a4 sMj1wEhMQtbYh/Ib0yNKb3RHh9fl61GBC7W3kLtXdVj65Qh3ok12jzFrAODcpsxnY5fc d1EBw7QtdqteU+qjCIcDa37uJpObuozAQU1xpwwRvAEnFYv1WSb/dYP3/cJqJ+7rZCbQ BWBA== d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1691009867; x=1691614667; h=to:in-reply-to:cc:references:message-id:date:subject:mime-version :from:content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=6F/1N5sT3kLPU3Ez3MWA4h5KyaLf5fQBQQFXJL0IV2g=; b=Sp9+pT1B6PgvVjOFlIXS0ry51nMsdP3Gv7SrOQ2BldosYJsPP2jHviE+MKMsiBLUGy PhZoZewf4GzuOX06sCRm2rpDv8V/9068V/x58TFqezYQ1vB5PMLUPX78FzdYY7J0EeX8 rGlvSe5B0vpO8Z24YRMrNDHKxrhf5S8ZJtm2+Fr0BhHTKaPsYwHnRT4ogjhAoNNUpEoL 4pQOpm29gT3+Fdlg3ax3hEZyoXPdsv4rqwHkVLHhS5bZPCCkRW6byPNZCfO3pwzCBQxK FmuJdF/xapxC7PTpmffdfpxEKenNydep2R/BfD93L7dsv2ioatfc1K5vqNexY/Qei0J7 dxgw== yo0wktE9Q5SmXxInN3j+w0iKZJTF7X4= a15-20020a05680804cf00b003a73ab9e589mr9015555oie.35.1691009867158; Wed, 02 Aug 2023 13:57:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpclient.apple ([2607:fb90:390a:264c:7159:ed09:486e:6b1a]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c65-20020a814e44000000b0056ffdec590csm4877796ywb.41.2023.08.02.13.57.46 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 02 Aug 2023 13:57:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2023 15:57:35 -0500 References: <1UekcEtM4O.2XtFfbre8Dm@johns-desktop> To: john Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] homeowner/ shop guy cordless drill Cc: shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1983411091519234928== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-ACEA0377-BA1A-4BE5-8BE2-BE1201F403D7 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I went through this decision not that long ago. I focused mostly on Dewalt a= nd Milwaukee, but also gave serious consideration to Craftsman and Ryobi. I w= ent with Milwaukee M18 in the end because already have their M12 tools and l= iked the fact that one charger could handle both batteries. I like the M18 t= ools a lot, but am not sure I=E2=80=99d make the same decision today for two= related reasons. First, I am cheap and Dewalt (and the others) seem to go o= n sale pretty regularly. Significant Milwaukee sales are rare. The other rea= son is that the other manufacturers seem to have more tools available and th= ey are introducing additional ones more frequently. I used to buy tools fro= m multiple brands and have too many different batteries and chargers. I am d= etermined to stay focused on one brand and going with someone other than Mil= waukee would have made that cheaper and easier. I know you are only looking a= t a drill right now, but it doesn=E2=80=99t hurt to think ahead to other too= ls you might want.=20 Hope that helps.=20 Jim Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 2, 2023, at 3:16 PM, john wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF > what is the consensus on a decent cordless drill for a homeowner/shop tink= erer/classic truck owner. > I finally let the smoke out of it (literally) yesterday and the torque set= ting ring is just about stripped...yea I overworked it > =20 > the internet likes the Dewalt 20v DCD771C2) for around a hundred bucks a= nd that's pretty much in my budget. It seems that Dewalt has > at least 576 models of 1/2" drill depending on whats included and what mon= th it is. > =20 > Won't be used daily and certainly not trades type work...Just an above ave= rage shop guy at home > =20 > https://www.amazon.com/Dewalt-DCD771C2-Cordless-Lithium-Ion-Compact/dp/B00= ET5VMTU?source=3Dps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=3Dfplfs&smid=3DATVPDKIKX0D= ER&th=3D1 =20 > =20 > you recommendations are always appreciated but keep them under 150.00 do= n't need all the included gizmos and bits and screwdrivers and carrying case= ...just a basic drill/charger and a > couple of batteries > =20 > john > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arc= hive >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/1789al= pine@gmail.com >=20 --Apple-Mail-ACEA0377-BA1A-4BE5-8BE2-BE1201F403D7 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I went through this decision not that long a= go. I focused mostly on Dewalt and Milwaukee, but also gave serious consider= ation to Craftsman and Ryobi. I went with Milwaukee M18 in the end because a= lready have their M12 tools and liked the fact that one charger could handle= both batteries. I like the M18 tools a lot, but am not sure I=E2=80=99d mak= e the same decision today for two related reasons. First, I am cheap an= d Dewalt (and the others) seem to go on sale pretty regularly. Significant M= ilwaukee sales are rare. The other reason is that the other manufacturers se= em to have more tools available and they are introducing additional ones mor= e frequently.  I used to buy tools from multiple brands and have too ma= ny different batteries and chargers. I am determined to stay focused on one b= rand and going with someone other than Milwaukee would have made that cheape= r and easier. I know you are only looking at a drill right now, but it doesn= =E2=80=99t hurt to think ahead to other tools you might want. 

=
Hope that helps. 

Jim

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On Aug 2, 2023, at 3:16 PM, john <jniolon@att.net> wrote:
=EF=BB=BF
what is the cons= ensus on a decent cordless drill for a homeowner/shop tinkerer/classic truck= owner.
I finally let the smoke out of it (literally) y= esterday and the torque setting ring is just about stripped...yea I overwork= ed it
 
the internet likes the Dewalt 20v  DCD771C= 2) for around a hundred bucks  and that's pretty much in my budget.&nbs= p; It seems that Dewalt has
at least 576 models of 1/2" drill depending on w= hats included and what month it is.
 
Won't be used daily and certainly not trades ty= pe work...Just an above average shop guy at home
 
 
you recommendations are always appreciated but k= eep them under 150.00   don't need all the included gizmos and bit= s and screwdrivers and carrying case...just a basic drill/charger and a
couple of batteries
 
john
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Some folks say that the additional 2v can damage the too= ls but DeWalt fessed up recently that the 18v batteries were measured under l= oad & the 20v were measured open circuit. Basically they used the conver= sion to lithium batteries to become a new family of tools by recasing the 18= v tools & changing the voltage markings. 

Peace,Pat

Pat Horne 
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On Aug 2, 2023, at 4:10 PM, Er= ic Russell <ejrussell61@gmail.com> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
I have a DeWalt cordless drill. It has performed well. After many yea= rs the batteries don't last as long as they used to. And of course a new dri= ll with new batteries & charger would cost less than replacing just the b= atteries. And the current batteries are not backwards compatible. 

EjR 

On Wed, Aug 2, 20= 23 at 4:03=E2=80=AFPM john <jniolon@at= t.net> wrote:
what is the cons= ensus on a decent cordless drill for a homeowner/shop tinkerer/classic truck= owner.
I finally let the smoke out of it (literally) y= esterday and the torque setting ring is just about stripped...yea I overwork= ed it
 
the internet likes the Dewalt 20v  DCD771C= 2) for around a hundred bucks  and that's pretty much in my budget.&nbs= p; It seems that Dewalt has
at least 576 models of 1/2" drill depending on w= hats included and what month it is.
 
Won't be used daily and certainly not trades ty= pe work...Just an above average shop guy at home
 
 
you recommendations are always appreciated but k= eep them under 150.00   don't need all the included gizmos and bit= s and screwdrivers and carrying case...just a basic drill/charger and a
couple of batteries
 
john
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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 3d16b35c506e87392d78c510585fa2a3; Wed, 02 Aug 2023 21:25:12 +0000 (UTC) From: Jim Juhas Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2023 17:24:50 -0400 References: <1UekcEtM4O.2XtFfbre8Dm@johns-desktop> To: john Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] homeowner/ shop guy cordless drill Cc: shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0241474780409846328== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-CDA8ED2C-3B7F-4B78-B193-F7B1035E8E12 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=E2=80=99ve been pleased with my Craftsman, purchased from Ace Hardware. St= anley Black & Decker supplies them now. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 2, 2023, at 4:02 PM, john wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF > what is the consensus on a decent cordless drill for a homeowner/shop tink= erer/classic truck owner. > I finally let the smoke out of it (literally) yesterday and the torque set= ting ring is just about stripped...yea I overworked it > =20 > the internet likes the Dewalt 20v DCD771C2) for around a hundred bucks a= nd that's pretty much in my budget. It seems that Dewalt has > at least 576 models of 1/2" drill depending on whats included and what mon= th it is. > =20 > Won't be used daily and certainly not trades type work...Just an above ave= rage shop guy at home > =20 > https://www.amazon.com/Dewalt-DCD771C2-Cordless-Lithium-Ion-Compact/dp/B00= ET5VMTU?source=3Dps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=3Dfplfs&smid=3DATVPDKIKX0D= ER&th=3D1 =20 > =20 > you recommendations are always appreciated but keep them under 150.00 do= n't need all the included gizmos and bits and screwdrivers and carrying case= ...just a basic drill/charger and a > couple of batteries > =20 > john > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arc= hive >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/james.= f.juhas@snet.net >=20 --Apple-Mail-CDA8ED2C-3B7F-4B78-B193-F7B1035E8E12 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=E2=80=99ve been pleased with my Craftsman= , purchased from Ace Hardware. Stanley Black & Decker supplies them now.=

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=EF=BB=BF
what is the cons= ensus on a decent cordless drill for a homeowner/shop tinkerer/classic truck= owner.
I finally let the smoke out of it (literally) y= esterday and the torque setting ring is just about stripped...yea I overwork= ed it
 
the internet likes the Dewalt 20v  DCD771C= 2) for around a hundred bucks  and that's pretty much in my budget.&nbs= p; It seems that Dewalt has
at least 576 models of 1/2" drill depending on w= hats included and what month it is.
 
Won't be used daily and certainly not trades ty= pe work...Just an above average shop guy at home
 
 
you recommendations are always appreciated but k= eep them under 150.00   don't need all the included gizmos and bit= s and screwdrivers and carrying case...just a basic drill/charger and a
couple of batteries
 
john
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  So what you are saying is Festool is out of the question :)

  I have a Milwaukee kit that is 12v, purchased as a kit for $250, its 2 tools, a drill and a impact driver.   I really like the setup and i looked into M18 drills since I liked it so much but found the weight to be too much so stuck with 12v.  Higher voltage is nice but weight goes up quickly and if you are doing any work above your head that will tire you out quickly.

 I do have a Festool drill also and those batteries last forever, I only have the Festool though because I loaned out my Milwaukee drill one time and needed a drill with a offset chuck, for a homeowner/hobbyist I do readily admit I have too many Festool toys.  The Milwaukee does everything the Festool does for 1/4th the price, except for the offset chuck.

    mike


On Aug 2, 2023, at 3:16 PM, john <jniolon@att.net> wrote:


what is the consensus on a decent cordless drill for a homeowner/shop tinkerer/classic truck owner.
I finally let the smoke out of it (literally) yesterday and the torque setting ring is just about stripped...yea I overworked it
 
the internet likes the Dewalt 20v  DCD771C2) for around a hundred bucks  and that's pretty much in my budget.  It seems that Dewalt has
at least 576 models of 1/2" drill depending on whats included and what month it is.
 
Won't be used daily and certainly not trades type work...Just an above average shop guy at home
 
 
you recommendations are always appreciated but keep them under 150.00   don't need all the included gizmos and bits and screwdrivers and carrying case...just a basic drill/charger and a
couple of batteries
 
john
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[97.91.26.189]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l6-20020ac84586000000b00400aa8592d1sm3882021qtn.36.2023.08.02.15.18.40 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 02 Aug 2023 15:18:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Parkanzky Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2023 18:18:29 -0400 References: <3B293EFA-70BE-4183-8B2F-14EA04416D64@icloud.com> To: Pat Horne Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] homeowner/ shop guy cordless drill Cc: shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============6090547380272612461== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-D7309C4E-2032-4815-9E73-BF4296C29644 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have an assortment of Bosch 18V, Milwaukee M18, and Milwaukee M12.=20 They=E2=80=99re all great. I have the M18 1/2=E2=80=9D high-torque impact gu= n and it=E2=80=99s an absolute beast. I have two of the Bosch 18V impact dri= vers and they=E2=80=99re awesome but depending on the job the M12 =E2=80=9Ca= ssembly driver=E2=80=9D or the M12 fuel impact driver are handier. My experience with the M12 stuff is that if it has =E2=80=9CFuel=E2=80=9D on= the side of it it=E2=80=99s going to be pretty good. Not quite as heavy dut= y as the M18 but way lighter. I have the oscillating multi-tool, the =E2=80=9C= Hackzall,=E2=80=9D the high speed ratchet (life changing), and tons of other= stuff. One of my favorites lately is the M12 inflator. Screw it onto a tir= e, set the pressure, hit =E2=80=9Cgo=E2=80=9D and walk away. It fills it whi= le you do other stuff. It=E2=80=99s awesome for picking trailers or stored v= ehicles up at my barn and finding a low tire. I=E2=80=99m a huge fan of the M12 stuff and if I didn=E2=80=99t need the M18= batteries to run the big impact gun or the hedge trimmer/pole saw/edger/str= ing trimmer I would go exclusively M12. -Paul > On Aug 2, 2023, at 6:02 PM, Pat Horne wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BFOne thing I forgot to mention is that 20v drills are not that lig= ht & I=E2=80=99ve see it stated that most homeowners can get by with 12v uni= ts. But what=E2=80=99s the fun in =E2=80=9Cgetting by=E2=80=9D! >=20 > Pat Horne=20 > We support Habitat for Humanity >=20 >=20 > On Aug 2, 2023, at 3:16 PM, john wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF > what is the consensus on a decent cordless drill for a homeowner/shop tink= erer/classic truck owner. > I finally let the smoke out of it (literally) yesterday and the torque set= ting ring is just about stripped...yea I overworked it > =20 > the internet likes the Dewalt 20v DCD771C2) for around a hundred bucks a= nd that's pretty much in my budget. It seems that Dewalt has > at least 576 models of 1/2" drill depending on whats included and what mon= th it is. > =20 > Won't be used daily and certainly not trades type work...Just an above ave= rage shop guy at home > =20 > https://www.amazon.com/Dewalt-DCD771C2-Cordless-Lithium-Ion-Compact/dp/B00= ET5VMTU?source=3Dps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=3Dfplfs&smid=3DATVPDKIKX0D= ER&th=3D1 =20 > =20 > you recommendations are always appreciated but keep them under 150.00 do= n't need all the included gizmos and bits and screwdrivers and carrying case= ...just a basic drill/charger and a > couple of batteries > =20 > john > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arc= hive >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patint= exas@icloud.com >=20 > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arc= hive >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/parkan= zky@gmail.com >=20 --Apple-Mail-D7309C4E-2032-4815-9E73-BF4296C29644 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have an assortment of Bosch 18V, Milwauke= e M18, and Milwaukee M12. 

They=E2=80=99re all great= . I have the M18 1/2=E2=80=9D high-torque impact gun and it=E2=80=99s an abs= olute beast. I have two of the Bosch 18V impact drivers and they=E2=80=99re a= wesome but depending on the job the M12 =E2=80=9Cassembly driver=E2=80=9D or= the M12 fuel impact driver are handier.

My experie= nce with the M12 stuff is that if it has =E2=80=9CFuel=E2=80=9D on the side o= f it it=E2=80=99s going to be pretty good. Not quite as heavy duty as the M1= 8 but way lighter. I have the oscillating multi-tool, the =E2=80=9CHackzall,= =E2=80=9D the high speed ratchet (life changing), and tons of other stuff. &= nbsp;One of my favorites lately is the M12 inflator. Screw it onto a tire, s= et the pressure, hit =E2=80=9Cgo=E2=80=9D and walk away. It fills it while y= ou do other stuff. It=E2=80=99s awesome for picking trailers or stored vehic= les up at my barn and finding a low tire.

I=E2=80=99= m a huge fan of the M12 stuff and if I didn=E2=80=99t need the M18 batteries= to run the big impact gun or the hedge trimmer/pole saw/edger/string trimme= r I would go exclusively M12.

-Paul

On Aug 2, 2023, at 6:02 PM, Pat Horne &l= t;patintexas@icloud.com> wrote:

=EF=BB=BFOne thing I forgot to mention is that 20v d= rills are not that light & I=E2=80=99ve see it stated that most homeowne= rs can get by with 12v units. But what=E2=80=99s the fun in =E2=80=9Cgetting= by=E2=80=9D!

Pat Horne 
We support Habitat= for Humanity


On Aug 2, 2023,= at 3:16 PM, john <jniolon@att.net> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
what is the cons= ensus on a decent cordless drill for a homeowner/shop tinkerer/classic truck= owner.
I finally let the smoke out of it (literally) y= esterday and the torque setting ring is just about stripped...yea I overwork= ed it
 
the internet likes the Dewalt 20v  DCD771C= 2) for around a hundred bucks  and that's pretty much in my budget.&nbs= p; It seems that Dewalt has
at least 576 models of 1/2" drill depending on w= hats included and what month it is.
 
Won't be used daily and certainly not trades ty= pe work...Just an above average shop guy at home
 
 
you recommendations are always appreciated but k= eep them under 150.00   don't need all the included gizmos and bit= s and screwdrivers and carrying case...just a basic drill/charger and a
couple of batteries
 
john
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what is the con= sensus on a decent cordless drill for a homeowner/shop tinkerer/classic tru= ck owner.
I finally let the smoke out of it (literally) = yesterday and the torque setting ring is just about stripped...yea I overwo= rked it
 
the internet likes the Dewalt 20v  DCD771= C2) for around a hundred bucks  and that's pretty much in my budget.&n= bsp; It seems that Dewalt has
at least 576 models of 1/2" drill depending on= whats included and what month it is.
 
Won't be used daily and certainly not trades t= ype work...Just an above average shop guy at home
 
 
you recommendations are always appreciated but= keep them under 150.00   don't need all the included gizmos and = bits and screwdrivers and carrying case...just a basic drill/charger and a<= /FONT>
couple of batteries
 
john
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Joe Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 2 20:04:38 2023 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02270A0C87 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2023 20:04:38 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ej1-f41.google.com (unknown [209.85.218.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7546AA0957 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2023 19:43:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ej1-f41.google.com with SMTP id a640c23a62f3a-977e0fbd742so52206166b.2 for ; Wed, 02 Aug 2023 18:43:12 -0700 (PDT) d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1691026991; x=1691631791; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=T/dfdfKG5qV211jKX3f+DRYjUJyu+0ro32macI4cpvk=; b=Hf5sGuM4+9CVHYCmrt2Yv0gH3KlLMXm6IoWhaD8tsmx+CztLC4tj1urFgd9A37Rfei bLZ9pXCAfP0c8pSs0KTpZL+SyNcSBBS+OfxxjmgO9voSlJXd7MeVP0See8cpl0ZS2en4 6kBVb4R7HRfAoodATyFHxsiM2zvOIL2wCAbTHRwiG3luybSraOhXCeE7dCnK/nm57ltK AEU966dkaEzdiLRjr1OcuTdwpijV398UaZdf5Wjei1dmWQhxxUumSrB1XXcVJ5i85bnB RT65rkdEg0YHiqVvqnb3PtvZ5GMtsQuYXk6DR0bicEcWzzXje5bs9I1P2tk62nd7+bDb OCRg== d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1691026991; x=1691631791; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=T/dfdfKG5qV211jKX3f+DRYjUJyu+0ro32macI4cpvk=; b=TCx65BY660A4t3K0Y49yPI+wvjunrKQnSQBtzO/J73clNIytTylV8uBOzy75v133iT hujKyLO4tF6j2El8+UC4YK8FauGvspmU+UsbXxO5WcIC0rSsfRs7NjW0gdgbbyekSHp1 AWkIMZHn5E0KsgZnnOuJXQ/Cw8Z7pqVNITq07IGBBi0jRQ/g3PJNcKgWqedkFsgBbL9t jIw2aP9Cr9oGWb3L0HdRbcZKDyjvllL5zrwLXHGUPX990RuZGTYOs6tBOwJuHvi7VDmX K9PWnL9/WzWnSBf3MqBw7abu2CaL/zQS1Y+i0G2cSDYGKzhFt17l/CFAjie1gMkdpk8b vM5w== ODtIRjTj3Q1hyoPCmZlgalfeRmpqMdr0YqvO2+k= q4-20020a17090676c400b00973d1cedbe8mr5896543ejn.46.1691026991127; Wed, 02 Aug 2023 18:43:11 -0700 (PDT) References: <81F74D48-1DDA-4996-B9B5-2249094B95C8@gmail.com> From: John Innis Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2023 20:42:58 -0500 To: Joe Szwed Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] homeowner/ shop guy cordless drill Cc: Shop-Talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============2078053167838595159== --0000000000001cbfb30601fae763 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You should see the new 20v Dewalt DCF-900 impact. Over 800ft-lbs in a 1/2-inch impact. Best you can buy right now. I have used it to remove the lug nuts from a tandem axle dump truck. I have yet to encounter ANYTHING that I could not get loose with it. Including the axle shackles that broke the bolts rather than come loose. Seriously this thing isa BEAST! On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 8:07=E2=80=AFPM Joe Szwed wrote: > To me the batteries are the expensive part, so I would look to see who ma= y > offer other tools you may like. Once you have a couple batteries, you ca= n > add tools by buying them without batteries. I started with the 18v Dewal= t > and since I do a fair amount of mechanical work I need a 1/2=E2=80=9D imp= act. The > Dewalt 18v impact was a big disappointment for me. I had heard a lot of > good things about Milwaukee=E2=80=99s 18v impact and decided to try it, b= ut being > on the cheap side, what I did was buy a starter kit on sale at Homedepot > with a battery and a charger. Then I picked up a new in the box tool onl= y > 1/2=E2=80=9D impact off eBay. It worked out well enough for me that I ha= ve added > other tools as needed. I bought a 1/2=E2=80=9D drill, sawzall, 4=E2=80= =9D disc grinder, > multi tool, die grinder and I=E2=80=99m looking to add a circular saw and= heat gun > next. I=E2=80=99ve paid anywhere from $100 to $170 ea for the tools I ha= ve added > so far mostly from eBay or other online tool sales. > > Joe > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdinnis@gmail.com > > --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D Never offend people with style when you =3D =3D can offend with substance --- Sam Brown =3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --0000000000001cbfb30601fae763 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
You should see the new 20v Dewalt DCF-900 impact.=C2=A0 Ov= er 800ft-lbs in a 1/2-inch impact.=C2=A0 Best you can buy right now.=C2=A0 = I have used it to remove the lug nuts from a tandem axle dump truck.=C2=A0 = I have yet to encounter ANYTHING that I could not get loose with it.=C2=A0 = Including the axle shackles that broke the bolts rather than come loose.=C2= =A0 Seriously this thing isa BEAST!

On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 8:07=E2=80=AF= PM Joe Szwed <szwedj@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:
To me = the batteries are the expensive part, so I would look to see who may offer = other tools you may like.=C2=A0 Once you have a couple batteries, you can a= dd tools by buying them without batteries.=C2=A0 I started with the 18v Dew= alt and since I do a fair amount of mechanical work I need a 1/2=E2=80=9D i= mpact.=C2=A0 The Dewalt 18v impact was a big disappointment for me.=C2=A0 I= had heard a lot of good things about Milwaukee=E2=80=99s 18v impact and de= cided to try it, but being on the cheap side, what I did was buy a starter = kit on sale at Homedepot with a battery and a charger.=C2=A0 Then I picked = up a new in the box tool only 1/2=E2=80=9D impact off eBay.=C2=A0 It worked= out well enough for me that I have added other tools as needed.=C2=A0 I bo= ught a 1/2=E2=80=9D drill, sawzall, 4=E2=80=9D disc grinder, multi tool, di= e grinder and I=E2=80=99m looking to add a circular saw and heat gun next.= =C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve paid anywhere from $100 to $170 ea for the tools I have= added so far mostly from eBay or other online tool sales.

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[71.201.229.32]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g17-20020a0caad1000000b0063d5d173a51sm4227792qvb.50.2023.08.02.19.27.04 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 02 Aug 2023 19:27:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Karl Vacek To: "Shop-Talk" Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2023 21:29:24 -0500 References: <81F74D48-1DDA-4996-B9B5-2249094B95C8@gmail.com> User-Agent: AquaMail/1.45.1 (build: 104501306) Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] homeowner/ shop guy cordless drill Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============9098952160831582308== This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --189b93a795a2f6428059216653 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I got good use out of a 14V DeWalt drill over 20 years, but the batteries were a big bother and expense. I gave up on genuine DeWalt batteries early on because all they offered then was NiCad and they're just a pain, with their low capacity, memory issues, and no smart charger/conditioner. Began buying NiMH Chinese ones off eBay and had far better luck. But technology advanced and my drill was relatively weak and had no hammer capability. I was still using corded drills when I needed power or had lots of work to do. Then in about 2000 I got a Christmas deal on a Milwaukee Fuel 18V hammer drill and 1/4" impact set with 2 batteries, plus another battery free, from Homey. All 5AH batteries, both tools are Fuel (meaning brushless - powerful and not battery hungry). Batteries are computer equipped and sense load, temp, and state of charge. Charger is fast, though they do sell even faster ones that do 2 batteries at once if you're a contractor. For me these are pretty perfect. The impact handles not only construction work but most automotive stuff too. I still need a real impact for big things, but the battery one is fine for run of the mill fasteners. My $230 investment was well worth it, and I almost never charge batteries any more. I recently added the 18V Fuel Multi tool after my second Horrible Fart one broke just after the warrantee. Comparatively quiet, powerful, and fast tool changes. Incredibly handy. And I already have batteries. Karl On August 2, 2023 7:57:43 PM Joe Szwed wrote: > To me the batteries are the expensive part, so I would look to see who may > offer other tools you may like. Once you have a couple batteries, you can > add tools by buying them without batteries. I started with the 18v Dewalt > and since I do a fair amount of mechanical work I need a 1/2” impact. The > Dewalt 18v impact was a big disappointment for me. I had heard a lot of > good things about Milwaukee’s 18v impact and decided to try it, but being > on the cheap side, what I did was buy a starter kit on sale at Homedepot > with a battery and a charger. Then I picked up a new in the box tool only > 1/2” impact off eBay. It worked out well enough for me that I have added > other tools as needed. I bought a 1/2” drill, sawzall, 4” disc grinder, > multi tool, die grinder and I’m looking to add a circular saw and heat gun > next. I’ve paid anywhere from $100 to $170 ea for the tools I have added > so far mostly from eBay or other online tool sales. > > Joe > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/stearman809@gmail.com --189b93a795a2f6428059216653 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I got good use out of a 14V DeWalt drill over 20 years, b= ut the batteries were a big bother and expense.  I gave up on genuine = DeWalt batteries early on because all they offered then was NiCad and they'= re just a pain, with their low capacity, memory issues, and no smart charge= r/conditioner.  Began buying NiMH Chinese ones off eBay and had far be= tter luck.  But technology advanced and my drill was relatively weak a= nd had no hammer capability.  I was still using corded drills when I n= eeded power or had lots of work to do.

Then in about 2000 I got a Christmas deal on a Milwaukee Fue= l 18V hammer drill and 1/4" impact set with 2 batteries, plus another batte= ry free, from Homey.  All 5AH batteries, both tools are Fuel (meaning = brushless - powerful and not battery hungry).  Batteries are computer = equipped and sense load, temp, and state of charge.  Charger is fast, = though they do sell even faster ones that do 2 batteries at once if you're = a contractor.

For me the= se are pretty perfect.  The impact handles not only construction work = but most automotive stuff too.  I still need a real impact for big thi= ngs, but the battery one is fine for run of the mill fasteners.  My $2= 30 investment was well worth it, and I almost never charge batteries any mo= re.

I recently added the= 18V Fuel Multi tool after my second Horrible Fart one broke just after the= warrantee.  Comparatively quiet, powerful, and fast tool changes.&nbs= p; Incredibly handy.  And I already have batteries.

Karl

On August 2, 2023 7:57:43 PM Joe Szwed <szwedj@gmail.c= om> wrote:

To me the batteries are the expensive part, so I would lo= ok to see who may offer other tools you may like.  Once you have a cou= ple batteries, you can add tools by buying them without batteries.  I = started with the 18v Dewalt and since I do a fair amount of mechanical work= I need a 1/2=E2=80=9D impact.  The Dewalt 18v impact was a big disapp= ointment for me.  I had heard a lot of good things about Milwaukee=E2= =80=99s 18v impact and decided to try it, but being on the cheap side, what= I did was buy a starter kit on sale at Homedepot with a battery and a char= ger.  Then I picked up a new in the box tool only 1/2=E2=80=9D impact = off eBay.  It worked out well enough for me that I have added other to= ols as needed.  I bought a 1/2=E2=80=9D drill, sawzall, 4=E2=80=9D dis= c grinder, multi tool, die grinder and I=E2=80=99m looking to add a circula= r saw and heat gun next.  I=E2=80=99ve paid anywhere from $100 to $170= ea for the tools I have added so far mostly from eBay or other online tool= sales.

Joe

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I'll throw in with=C2=A0the group that is quite happy = with=C2=A0the Ryobi tools. I find the termination of lines of batteries (fo= rcing an expensive battery guts replacement) terribly frustrating, so I lik= e that Ryobi's 18v tools all (that I've seen) interchange. Started = with a drill/reciprocating saw combo, then got a blower/weed eater combo, t= hen multi-tool, sander, extra batteries - all when found on sale. I've = found no incompatibilities between batteries and tools, and despite some ha= m-handling on my family's part, they've all survived.=C2=A0
Plus, when they're in a Project Farm lineup, quite often th= ey seem to end up towards the upper part of the pack.

<= div>In fact, right now, you can pick up a drill/driver/hammer with two batt= eries for $129 at Home Depot. They're having a sale.

Link to sale page here.

-Peter

On Wed, Aug 2,= 2023 at 4:15=E2=80=AFPM john <jniolo= n@att.net> wrote:
what is the con= sensus on a decent cordless drill for a homeowner/shop tinkerer/classic tru= ck owner.
I finally let the smoke out of it (literally) = yesterday and the torque setting ring is just about stripped...yea I overwo= rked it
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the internet likes the Dewalt 20v=C2=A0 DCD771= C2) for around a hundred bucks=C2=A0 and that's pretty much in my budge= t.=C2=A0 It seems that Dewalt has
at least 576 models of 1/2" drill dependi= ng on whats included and what month it is.
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Won't be used daily and certainly not trad= es type work...Just an above average shop guy at home
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you recommendations are always appreciated but= keep them under 150.00=C2=A0=C2=A0 don't need all the included gizmos = and bits and screwdrivers and carrying case...just a basic drill/charger an= d a
couple of batteries
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ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 256/256 bits) (Client did not present a certificate) by resomta-c1p-023268.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPSA id RXGSqpYaBhOahRXGTqdczO; Thu, 03 Aug 2023 12:17:13 +0000 From: Rochlin Robert Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2023 08:17:02 -0400 To: ShopTalk Subject: [Shop-talk] homeowner/ shop guy cordless drill Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0115733941569008507== boundary="Apple-Mail=_58E3824A-0C47-47E9-BBFD-B0CAA34DEC2D" --Apple-Mail=_58E3824A-0C47-47E9-BBFD-B0CAA34DEC2D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 I=E2=80=99ve got a number of Ridged power tools from Home Depot. = I=E2=80=99ve found them to be rugged and reliable. When I got my impact = wrench I originally got the heavy duty !/2 inch model because it was on = sale, but returned it for the lighter1/2 impact wrench they offered = which suits my needs perfectly for a combination of power, weight, and = size. The best part about buying Ridged tools are that, if you register = them when you buy them, the tools and batteries are guaranteed for as = long as you own the tools. I also have a Milwaukee 3/8 power socket = wrench that I really like because it is relatively powerful and fast. = I=E2=80=99ve got a complement of older pneumatic tools that I seldom use = except when raw power is the answer. Best, Bob= --Apple-Mail=_58E3824A-0C47-47E9-BBFD-B0CAA34DEC2D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 I=E2=80=99v= e got a number of Ridged power tools from Home Depot.  I=E2=80=99ve = found them to be rugged and reliable. When I got my impact wrench I = originally got the heavy duty !/2 inch model  because it was on = sale, but returned it for the lighter1/2 impact wrench they offered = which suits my needs perfectly for a combination of power, weight, and = size.  The best part about buying Ridged tools are that, if you = register them when you buy them, the tools and batteries are = guaranteed for as long as you own the tools. I also have a Milwaukee 3/8 = power socket wrench that I really like because it is relatively powerful = and fast.  I=E2=80=99ve got a complement of older pneumatic tools = that I seldom use except when raw power is the answer.
= Best,
Bob
= --Apple-Mail=_58E3824A-0C47-47E9-BBFD-B0CAA34DEC2D-- --===============0115733941569008507== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============0115733941569008507==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 3 08:13:57 2023 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 387D9A0C2D for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2023 08:13:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pj1-f47.google.com (unknown [209.85.216.47]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD836A0C10 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2023 07:42:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pj1-f47.google.com with SMTP id 98e67ed59e1d1-268bc714ce0so1480861a91.0 for ; Thu, 03 Aug 2023 06:42:55 -0700 (PDT) d=mcfetridge.org; s=google; t=1691070174; x=1691674974; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=wDQRrhNQYYFMMN4Qm5ElBCHqFkqraWWf5F/OyBrohko=; b=C4Q9aLOs2yXxafzfugKCrb5ov4Utm7/SEdWgJF199lgOjsrMAbc3TrogEmnrezLZkw /d22AyEiBQuVLfwYfquluUi/N+y/U5KeQPJaWZ9ysnhi3839KFLEnEjmUPt2+yH9TcuK VIxCoVP4Ugu7tGB5Y80BoPtrg4vor9tm82ubk= d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1691070174; x=1691674974; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=wDQRrhNQYYFMMN4Qm5ElBCHqFkqraWWf5F/OyBrohko=; b=aJRHJawz/1jrvuat6vA4sFQx24ToB1go4/LVIjc7ni738a/txEIxfvH58tBOzk2kgy ZOyrL0DEau+hEAgJMDOJBY5CSJx48Jf0lhgd4OnlzEvhWYqtItjTPsgB3Z4d1chn6miG AYAcY5eN3gvDUfhr4yFxZGq4inBeMPxGhX8YQP6V5DF7PhoEfJd4f1IUW1WpMo8KCTX6 K4rg/Q8qqQkUDEklIBhQGAMWG2ttMaGBr11wldaw0aCQN4htPLyxz8v92kQIcK6rKQHa EyqFOLLSWMcp4aAxVDANL8+P71GgO5PmkDRMe0Hvz59DZmKSFrJTeKBRs4ADM2sYDR1m juKQ== nRDTjm174E/02W3nvB1E+qMk12LfFWKxpBaQrvaaJw== a16-20020a17090abe1000b00268169e8497mr23635886pjs.13.1691070174274; Thu, 03 Aug 2023 06:42:54 -0700 (PDT) References: <1UekcEtM4O.2XtFfbre8Dm.ref@johns-desktop> <1UekcEtM4O.2XtFfbre8Dm@johns-desktop> From: Ian McFetridge Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2023 09:42:40 -0400 To: john Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] homeowner/ shop guy cordless drill Cc: shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============8538383366694991384== --000000000000073e32060204f59d Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'll add another vote for Makita. I have a bunch of the 18V with 5Ah batteries and a couple double-battery fast chargers. As other said, I like being able to use the batteries in everything from my drill or impact to my string trimmer or leaf blower. I have a 2Ah IIRC in a small drill that is quite light and easy to carry up ladders, etc. Best, Ian On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 4:14=E2=80=AFPM john wrote: > what is the consensus on a decent cordless drill for a homeowner/shop > tinkerer/classic truck owner. > I finally let the smoke out of it (literally) yesterday and the torque > setting ring is just about stripped...yea I overworked it > > the internet likes the Dewalt 20v DCD771C2) for around a hundred bucks > and that's pretty much in my budget. It seems that Dewalt has > at least 576 models of 1/2" drill depending on whats included and what > month it is. > > Won't be used daily and certainly not trades type work...Just an above > average shop guy at home > > > https://www.amazon.com/Dewalt-DCD771C2-Cordless-Lithium-Ion-Compact/dp/B0= 0ET5VMTU?source=3Dps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=3Dfplfs&smid=3DATVPDKIKX= 0DER&th=3D1 > > > you recommendations are always appreciated but keep them under 150.00 > don't need all the included gizmos and bits and screwdrivers and carrying > case...just a basic drill/charger and a > couple of batteries > > john > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/shop-talk2@mcfetridge.org > > --000000000000073e32060204f59d Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'll add another vote for Makita.=C2=A0 I have a bunch= of the 18V with 5Ah batteries and a couple double-battery fast chargers.= =C2=A0 As other said, I like being able to use the batteries in everything = from my drill or impact to my string trimmer or leaf blower.=C2=A0 I have a= 2Ah IIRC in a small drill that is quite light and easy to carry up ladders= , etc.=C2=A0=C2=A0

Best,
Ian

On Wed, Aug 2, 2023= at 4:14=E2=80=AFPM john <jniolon@att.net> wrote:
what is the con= sensus on a decent cordless drill for a homeowner/shop tinkerer/classic tru= ck owner.
I finally let the smoke out of it (literally) = yesterday and the torque setting ring is just about stripped...yea I overwo= rked it
=C2=A0
the internet likes the Dewalt 20v=C2=A0 DCD771= C2) for around a hundred bucks=C2=A0 and that's pretty much in my budge= t.=C2=A0 It seems that Dewalt has
at least 576 models of 1/2" drill dependi= ng on whats included and what month it is.
=C2=A0
Won't be used daily and certainly not trad= es type work...Just an above average shop guy at home
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
you recommendations are always appreciated but= keep them under 150.00=C2=A0=C2=A0 don't need all the included gizmos = and bits and screwdrivers and carrying case...just a basic drill/charger an= d a
couple of batteries
=C2=A0
john
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--000000000000073e32060204f59d-- --===============8538383366694991384== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============8538383366694991384==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 3 08:31:32 2023 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AEBEA0C2D for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2023 08:31:32 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yw1-f175.google.com (unknown [209.85.128.175]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98D79A05AC for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2023 08:14:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-yw1-f175.google.com with SMTP id 00721157ae682-583c48a9aa1so11615447b3.1 for ; Thu, 03 Aug 2023 07:14:08 -0700 (PDT) d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1691072048; x=1691676848; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=tWHak07IKELvHFLe4PMERV6ocJG/X+9GWXNInST6vM8=; b=WET495CzLxrDhQ/aKNLTDWFZLb27yIWOtZ1tfOBrdIGXO0T8vaWzlHc/HdX2HwvLQe /a+WKxOiBfVFYcx6k+lXwh/6mB7SqU3hBj9jYGZtuHudR1mKH9JRVGXf7q66H5lb79Oh vn7rx33X878Aq21KUq03sg/uEeTRB4N+kLy787yEe+sSQnxDvAIafL1P7XfC/VZRQ3Ln 3/metVxKUnyVu35CcWVtIOCw9cp9Jo2a3hXJq0gfAoH7yIxawk6GucwhpCeEcuJ26Wfg 9d1h/o8a8OcOS4BzYlHKWCJ+FloieqTbR4s45IDpA5ApIl8mZ2TBl91Vfyxl8Ei8iRfL gXUg== d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1691072048; x=1691676848; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=tWHak07IKELvHFLe4PMERV6ocJG/X+9GWXNInST6vM8=; b=KvifDEr2rDbr/d8GG49bZh8ikbv/BPLjNSNuK0QrjeRGDYSod+4T7Ku6ptBW1Cyw46 EqESp+Em/N1MLrwgpWNryYm2Fbx4Ia2/2JDdml25y4rno/SMlovK5FUIo66yEzQ7MsS+ p7F9UNoWEANek4hxGrHsNIhP/yAYnNT50dm8ZTx6QkL//JgUsSV5vC4vtkaQMqPRcmT4 IsM/7P6p+EPdE8EIIhCFNIAVTIDpWUlCvmm816z1fu/qHXFiCZxg59HzSGPTpwa0C1Oy gTUNJvkTdj9z752pIIe91mDXZpsWPwt4l00NHOqhgkO8bDrfDJR8NyfcwrjuJzPGa93L Yr5g== ANcPgU4j2f5i7toKOZaoknLY5pnK3Gavo9NBN1Y= d20-20020a0ddb14000000b00583d3638d1bmr19673114ywe.47.1691072048003; Thu, 03 Aug 2023 07:14:08 -0700 (PDT) References: <81F74D48-1DDA-4996-B9B5-2249094B95C8@gmail.com> From: Brad Kahler Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2023 10:13:56 -0400 To: Joe Szwed Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] homeowner/ shop guy cordless drill Cc: Shop-Talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============7974536679636957515== --000000000000b5fe490602056463 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Like Joe, I ended settling on the Milwaukee M18 tools. Started out with the 3/8" Fuel impact and then the hammer drill and next was the 1/2" impact with 1400 ft/lbs of torque. I've since collected 18 tools and counting. I suspect every brand has their selling points and you probably can't go wrong with whichever one you choose. I probably choose Milwaukee brand because I had one of their corded 4-1/2" grinders that was just awesome. The important thing is to select a platform and run with it (no pun intended!). Brad On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 9:06=E2=80=AFPM Joe Szwed wrote: > To me the batteries are the expensive part, so I would look to see who ma= y > offer other tools you may like. Once you have a couple batteries, you ca= n > add tools by buying them without batteries. I started with the 18v Dewal= t > and since I do a fair amount of mechanical work I need a 1/2=E2=80=9D imp= act. The > Dewalt 18v impact was a big disappointment for me. I had heard a lot of > good things about Milwaukee=E2=80=99s 18v impact and decided to try it, b= ut being > on the cheap side, what I did was buy a starter kit on sale at Homedepot > with a battery and a charger. Then I picked up a new in the box tool onl= y > 1/2=E2=80=9D impact off eBay. It worked out well enough for me that I ha= ve added > other tools as needed. I bought a 1/2=E2=80=9D drill, sawzall, 4=E2=80= =9D disc grinder, > multi tool, die grinder and I=E2=80=99m looking to add a circular saw and= heat gun > next. I=E2=80=99ve paid anywhere from $100 to $170 ea for the tools I ha= ve added > so far mostly from eBay or other online tool sales. > > Joe > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bkahler1@gmail.com > > --000000000000b5fe490602056463 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Like Joe, I ended settling=C2=A0on the Milwaukee M18 tools= .=C2=A0 Started out with the 3/8" Fuel impact and then the hammer dril= l and next was the 1/2" impact with 1400 ft/lbs of torque.=C2=A0 I'= ;ve since collected 18 tools and counting.=C2=A0 I suspect every brand has = their selling points and you probably can't go wrong with whichever one= you choose.=C2=A0 I probably choose Milwaukee brand because I had one of t= heir corded 4-1/2" grinders that was just awesome.=C2=A0 The important= thing is to select a platform and run with it (no pun intended!).

=
Brad

On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 9:06=E2=80=AFPM Joe Szwed <<= a href=3D"mailto:szwedj@gmail.com">szwedj@gmail.com> wrote:
To me the batteries are = the expensive part, so I would look to see who may offer other tools you ma= y like.=C2=A0 Once you have a couple batteries, you can add tools by buying= them without batteries.=C2=A0 I started with the 18v Dewalt and since I do= a fair amount of mechanical work I need a 1/2=E2=80=9D impact.=C2=A0 The D= ewalt 18v impact was a big disappointment for me.=C2=A0 I had heard a lot o= f good things about Milwaukee=E2=80=99s 18v impact and decided to try it, b= ut being on the cheap side, what I did was buy a starter kit on sale at Hom= edepot with a battery and a charger.=C2=A0 Then I picked up a new in the bo= x tool only 1/2=E2=80=9D impact off eBay.=C2=A0 It worked out well enough f= or me that I have added other tools as needed.=C2=A0 I bought a 1/2=E2=80= =9D drill, sawzall, 4=E2=80=9D disc grinder, multi tool, die grinder and I= =E2=80=99m looking to add a circular saw and heat gun next.=C2=A0 I=E2=80= =99ve paid anywhere from $100 to $170 ea for the tools I have added so far = mostly from eBay or other online tool sales.

Joe

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Thu, 3 Aug 2023 14:12:59 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from relay2-d.mail.gandi.net (unknown [217.70.183.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BD27A0B99 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2023 12:28:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D57EE40006; Thu, 3 Aug 2023 18:28:29 +0000 (UTC) From: Jim Franklin Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2023 14:28:27 -0400 To: john References: <1UekcEtM4O.2XtFfbre8Dm.ref@johns-desktop> <1UekcEtM4O.2XtFfbre8Dm@johns-desktop> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] homeowner/ shop guy cordless drill Cc: shop-talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0912418562286237603== boundary="Apple-Mail=_23DC6830-D3B0-4B9E-A534-12687541F8D3" --Apple-Mail=_23DC6830-D3B0-4B9E-A534-12687541F8D3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=us-ascii Rememebr you're buying a platform unless you're from another planet and = will only ever buy the drill :-) For home maintenance hobbyist car stuff the Ryobi will be fine. For "I'm = putting an addition on my house" then I like DeWalt 20v stuff.=20 Ryobi had a 4" or so circular saw an ex lent me and it was great for = cutting cedar shingles while on a pitched roof. Anything = heavier/stronger would have been unusable. Ryobi also has a line of = garden tools that might share a battery platform.=20 jim > On Aug 2, 2023, at 3:20 PM, john wrote: >=20 > what is the consensus on a decent cordless drill for a homeowner/shop = tinkerer/classic truck owner. > I finally let the smoke out of it (literally) yesterday and the torque = setting ring is just about stripped...yea I overworked it > =20 > the internet likes the Dewalt 20v DCD771C2) for around a hundred = bucks and that's pretty much in my budget. It seems that Dewalt has > at least 576 models of 1/2" drill depending on whats included and what = month it is. > =20 > Won't be used daily and certainly not trades type work...Just an above = average shop guy at home > =20 > = https://www.amazon.com/Dewalt-DCD771C2-Cordless-Lithium-Ion-Compact/dp/B00= ET5VMTU?source=3Dps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=3Dfplfs&smid=3DATVPDKIKX= 0DER&th=3D1 = =20 > =20 > you recommendations are always appreciated but keep them under 150.00 = don't need all the included gizmos and bits and screwdrivers and = carrying case...just a basic drill/charger and a > couple of batteries > =20 > john > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk = http://autox.team.net/archive >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jamesf@groupwbench.org >=20 --Apple-Mail=_23DC6830-D3B0-4B9E-A534-12687541F8D3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=us-ascii Rememebr you're buying a platform unless you're from another = planet and will only ever buy the drill :-)

For home maintenance hobbyist car stuff = the Ryobi will be fine. For "I'm putting an addition on my house" then I = like DeWalt 20v stuff. 

Ryobi had a 4" or so circular saw an ex = lent me and it was great for cutting cedar shingles while on a pitched = roof. Anything heavier/stronger would have been unusable. Ryobi also has = a line of garden tools that might share a battery = platform. 

jim

On Aug 2, 2023, at 3:20 PM, john <jniolon@att.net> = wrote:

what is the consensus on a decent cordless = drill for a homeowner/shop tinkerer/classic truck owner.
I finally let the = smoke out of it (literally) yesterday and the torque setting ring is = just about stripped...yea I overworked it
 
the internet likes = the Dewalt 20v  DCD771C2) for around a hundred bucks  and = that's pretty much in my budget.  It seems that Dewalt = has
at least 576 models = of 1/2" drill depending on whats included and what month it = is.
 
Won't be used daily = and certainly not trades type work...Just an above average shop guy at = home
 
https://www.amazon.com/Dewalt-DCD771C2-Cordless-Lithium-Ion-Com= pact/dp/B00ET5VMTU?source=3Dps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=3Dfplfs&a= mp;smid=3DATVPDKIKX0DER&th=3D1    
 
you recommendations = are always appreciated but keep them under 150.00   don't need = all the included gizmos and bits and screwdrivers and carrying = case...just a basic drill/charger and a
couple of = batteries
 
john
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= --Apple-Mail=_23DC6830-D3B0-4B9E-A534-12687541F8D3-- --===============0912418562286237603== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============0912418562286237603==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 3 16:10:37 2023 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52339A0AEB for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2023 16:10:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from Deep13.mail.Megageek.com (unknown [34.199.103.79]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFDD9A0D6A for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2023 14:47:27 -0600 (MDT) References: <1UekcEtM4O.2XtFfbre8Dm.ref@johns-desktop> <1UekcEtM4O.2XtFfbre8Dm@johns-desktop> To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net type=4; name=$KeepSent From: eric@megageek.com Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2023 16:47:25 -0400 08/03/2023 04:47:37 PM, Serialize complete at 08/03/2023 04:47:37 PM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] homeowner/ shop guy cordless drill Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============3415808011566667623== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0072356785258A00_= OK, this has generated a ton of traffic, so I'll weigh in. I'm a yellow and black guy. Dewalt is my go to for cordless. They are solid and have tools you've never even heard of before. They have adaptors so you can use the old 18v NiCd with the new 20 Li batteries. So you can get the NOS tools for pennies on the dollar and they will work with the new batteries. I often found that I ended up with a few 'combo' kits that had duplicate tools in them. But what is REALLY confusing about Dewalt, is that they seem to change part numbers like the weather. I have about 4 circ saws, all with different parts numbers and each one is slightly different. So it's impossible to compare them to other brands, and even themselves. But they have a 4", 6" and 9" (I think they may have a 12" one as well.) So you can get the size(s) that you need. The good news is, that you can get a 'heavy' drill driver and a 'light' or 'compact' drill driver and have both of them for not much money with dewalt. With that said, the only tool I will NOT recommend from Dewalt is their electric chainsaw. It has 2 major design issues that they have yet to address. (they constantly leak the bar oil and they have only a single plastic screw to hold the bar and chain on with, and it's cam'ed so you can't even tighten it much. I wrote dewalt after i purchased the chainsaw and they never responded. So I bought a Milwalkee Fuel one and it is 'streets ahead' of the Dewalt. I also bought the pole chainsaw from them. So those are my only red tools. But every other dewalt tool I have has been great. Oh, except if you have to remove their chucks. A TERRIBLE design and if you want to replace a chuck, you may not be able to remove the old one. Moose --=_alternative 0072356785258A00_= OK, this has generated a ton of traffic, so I'll weigh in.

I'm a yellow and black guy.  Dewalt is my go to for cordless.  They are solid and have tools you've never even heard of before.

They have adaptors so you can use the old 18v NiCd with the new 20 Li batteries. So you can get the NOS tools for pennies on the dollar and they will work with the new batteries.

I often found that I ended up with a few 'combo' kits that had duplicate tools in them.  But what is REALLY confusing about Dewalt, is that they seem to change part numbers like the weather.  I have about 4 circ saws, all with different parts numbers and each one is slightly different.  So it's impossible to compare them to other brands, and even themselves.  But they have a 4", 6" and 9" (I think they may have a 12" one as well.) So you can get the size(s) that you need.

The good news is, that you can get a 'heavy' drill driver and a 'light' or 'compact' drill driver and have both of them for not much money with dewalt.

With that said, the only tool I will NOT recommend from Dewalt is their electric chainsaw.  It has 2 major design issues that they have yet to address.  (they constantly leak the bar oil and they have only a single plastic screw to hold the bar and chain on with, and it's cam'ed so you can't even tighten it much.

I wrote dewalt after i purchased the chainsaw and they never responded.  So I bought a Milwalkee Fuel one and it is 'streets ahead' of the Dewalt.  I also bought the pole chainsaw from them.  So those are my only red tools.

But every other dewalt tool I have has been great.  

Oh, except if you have to remove their chucks.  A TERRIBLE design and if you want to replace a chuck, you may not be able to remove the old one.

Moose --=_alternative 0072356785258A00_=-- --===============3415808011566667623== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============3415808011566667623==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 3 17:11:48 2023 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47EF2A0D9F for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2023 17:11:48 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from ms11p00im-qufo17281401.me.com (unknown [17.58.38.51]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E8FBA0C1A for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2023 16:31:34 -0600 (MDT) s=1a1hai; t=1691101894; bh=J8QrK6fEUZgOLurT+/y1yFzP4rbmv3TDZfqcc5LOLvs=; h=Content-Type:From:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To; b=sAdA+1ERu9WLmj8xNUeiuFnFpK55NKJuUYSuSGNzn63/eH6Oe5eJ1s4GwoyrGJkhW P2XN7dghte8HuvFnOJ5aAlC0GOJ3+zGtt5p75CHbc3sy8RNp/uIqQKqJZbxuBzrE9s dcXMycIKAfhIM4A1cwhdaFT1EtT8pyPTPbKEGdtdga6Rw2B9jSj1VXTSeJAXw2xJ3i HSdYE9am5AeBNSDDfCl825AT/22rJIpnIcUenmSHKnFnBVE+O3Dzcm+smvd1vu2PCc m2sbcQYuseMxfAuB6txwwPdv0sfWVgOLxloCq6m+dw7jUP7crfM/25pS1EcXPoILqZ 6jOlFDl2A46gA== Received: from smtpclient.apple (ms11p00im-dlb-asmtpmailmevip.me.com [17.57.154.19]) by ms11p00im-qufo17281401.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CEF17BA055A; Thu, 3 Aug 2023 22:31:33 +0000 (UTC) From: Pat Horne Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2023 17:31:22 -0500 References: To: eric@megageek.com =?UTF-8?Q?2903e8d5c8f:6.0.138,18.0.572,17.0.605.474.0000000_definitions?= =?UTF-8?Q?=3D2020-02-14=5F11:2020-02-14=5F02,2020-02-14=5F11,2020-01-23?= =?UTF-8?Q?=5F02_signatures=3D0?= phishscore=0 clxscore=1015 adultscore=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 mlxscore=0 bulkscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2212070000 definitions=main-2308030202 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] homeowner/ shop guy cordless drill Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0932525460384950523== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-5F8D388A-89C1-4344-952C-9DCADC603337 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, Moose for your input. I=E2=80=99ve been using DeWalt since the 14.4v= days building houses & haven=E2=80=99t had enough trouble to mention (excep= t for the anemic 14.4v circular saw). I=E2=80=99ve cut back on my housebuild= ing lately but still buy a tool or two from time to time. If cordless, then t= hey are DeWalt.=20 I also see lots of specialty tools coming out of Milwaukee that I don=E2=80=99= t see from other companies which is good for them but since I=E2=80=99m not n= eeding to do those trades all the time, I=E2=80=99m not interested in changi= ng colors.=20 Peace, Pat Pat Horne=20 We support Habitat for Humanity On Aug 3, 2023, at 5:21 PM, eric@megageek.com wrote: =EF=BB=BFOK, this has generated a ton of traffic, so I'll weigh in.=20 I'm a yellow and black guy. Dewalt is my go to for cordless. They are soli= d and have tools you've never even heard of before.=20 They have adaptors so you can use the old 18v NiCd with the new 20 Li batter= ies. So you can get the NOS tools for pennies on the dollar and they will wo= rk with the new batteries.=20 I often found that I ended up with a few 'combo' kits that had duplicate too= ls in them. But what is REALLY confusing about Dewalt, is that they seem to= change part numbers like the weather. I have about 4 circ saws, all with d= ifferent parts numbers and each one is slightly different. So it's impossib= le to compare them to other brands, and even themselves. But they have a 4"= , 6" and 9" (I think they may have a 12" one as well.) So you can get the si= ze(s) that you need.=20 The good news is, that you can get a 'heavy' drill driver and a 'light' or '= compact' drill driver and have both of them for not much money with dewalt.=20= With that said, the only tool I will NOT recommend from Dewalt is their elec= tric chainsaw. It has 2 major design issues that they have yet to address. = (they constantly leak the bar oil and they have only a single plastic screw= to hold the bar and chain on with, and it's cam'ed so you can't even tighte= n it much.=20 I wrote dewalt after i purchased the chainsaw and they never responded. So I= bought a Milwalkee Fuel one and it is 'streets ahead' of the Dewalt. I als= o bought the pole chainsaw from them. So those are my only red tools.=20 But every other dewalt tool I have has been great. =20 Oh, except if you have to remove their chucks. A TERRIBLE design and if you= want to replace a chuck, you may not be able to remove the old one.=20 Moose_______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archi= ve as@icloud.com --Apple-Mail-5F8D388A-89C1-4344-952C-9DCADC603337 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, Moose for your input. I=E2=80=99ve b= een using DeWalt since the 14.4v days building houses & haven=E2=80=99t h= ad enough trouble to mention (except for the anemic 14.4v circular saw). I=E2= =80=99ve cut back on my housebuilding lately but still buy a tool or two fro= m time to time. If cordless, then they are DeWalt. 

= I also see lots of specialty tools coming out of Milwaukee that I don=E2=80=99= t see from other companies which is good for them but since I=E2=80=99m not n= eeding to do those trades all the time, I=E2=80=99m not interested in changi= ng colors. 

Peace, Pat

Pat Horne 
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Aug 3, 2023, at 5:21 PM, eric@megageek.com wrote:=

=EF=BB=BFOK, this has generated a ton of traffic, so I'll weigh in.

I'm a yellow and black guy.  D= ewalt is my go to for cordless.  They are solid and have tools you've never even heard of before.

They have adaptors so you can use t= he old 18v NiCd with the new 20 Li batteries. So you can get the NOS tools for pennies on the dollar and they will work with the new batteries.

I often found that I ended up with a= few 'combo' kits that had duplicate tools in them.  But what is REALLY confusing about Dewalt, is that they seem to change part numbers like the weather.  I have about 4 circ saws, all with different parts numbers and each one is slightly different.  So it's impossible to compare them to other brands, and even themselves.  But they have a 4", 6" and 9" (I think they may have a 12" one as well.) So you can get the size(s) that you need.

The good news is, that you can get a= 'heavy' drill driver and a 'light' or 'compact' drill driver and have both of them for not much money with dewalt.

With that said, the only tool I wil= l NOT recommend from Dewalt is their electric chainsaw.  It has 2 major design issues that they have yet to address.  (they constantly leak the bar oil and they have only a single plastic screw to hold the bar and chain on with, and it's cam'ed so you can't even tighten it much.

I wrote dewalt after i purchased th= e chainsaw and they never responded.  So I bought a Milwalkee Fuel one and it is 'streets ahead' of the Dewalt.  I also bought the pole chains= aw from them.  So those are my only red tools.

But every other dewalt tool I have h= as been great.  

Oh, except if you have to remove th= eir chucks.  A TERRIBLE design and if you want to replace a chuck, you may not be able to remove the old one.

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Expensive, but there is a noticeable improvement for SOME tools. The DCF-900 storm-bringer 1/2 impact driver benefits from the extra current. The 1/2" hammer drill I have does not seem to care about it. On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 8:32=E2=80=AFPM David Scheidt = wrote: > On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 5:17=E2=80=AFPM wrote: > > > > OK, this has generated a ton of traffic, so I'll weigh in. > > > > I'm a yellow and black guy. Dewalt is my go to for cordless. They are > solid and have tools you've never even heard of before. > > > > They have adaptors so you can use the old 18v NiCd with the new 20 Li > batteries. So you can get the NOS tools for pennies on the dollar and the= y > will work with the new batteries. > > > > One of the reasons the old nicad tools are cheap is because they suck, > compared to modern tools of any brand, even cheap ones. They're > designed around the power output of the battery pack, and the nicad or > NiMH batteries didn't provide much power. This is perfectly fine for > things that don't draw much power, but it's pretty limiting for > anything that drills, saws, or grinds. it's also why cordless saws > used to be so incredibly gutless, but there are now cordless table > saws that work as well as most jobsite corded table saws. > > Discharge current of a sub-c nicad (the cell in most nicad tool > battery packs) is somewhere around 2 to 4 A; the lithium cells used > in modern tools can produce 10 to 30A depending on the particular > cells in the pack; milwaukee high output packs[1] (which use > physically larger 21700 cells, instead of 18650 in their other packs, > and commonly used by everyone else) can go even higher. That means > 18V lithium packs with three sets of cells in parallel have more > potential power output than a 15A 120V receptacle, and tools with a > pair of batteries (common for miter and table saws) are quite capable > of taking advantage of that. > > [1] pretty sure other brands have 21700 packs, too. > > -- > David Scheidt > dmscheidt@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdinnis@gmail.com > > --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D Never offend people with style when you =3D =3D can offend with substance --- Sam Brown =3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --0000000000002c12f006020eee63 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The Dewalt 20v 6ah pack uses 21700 cells as well.=C2=A0 Ex= pensive, but there is a noticeable improvement for SOME tools.=C2=A0 The DC= F-900 storm-bringer 1/2 impact driver benefits from the extra current.=C2= =A0 The 1/2" hammer drill I have does not seem to care about it.

On= Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 8:32=E2=80=AFPM David Scheidt <dmscheidt@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 5:17=E2=80=AFP= M <eric@megageek.= com> wrote:
>
> OK, this has generated a ton of traffic, so I'll weigh in.
>
> I'm a yellow and black guy.=C2=A0 Dewalt is my go to for cordless.= =C2=A0 They are solid and have tools you've never even heard of before.=
>
> They have adaptors so you can use the old 18v NiCd with the new 20 Li = batteries. So you can get the NOS tools for pennies on the dollar and they = will work with the new batteries.
>

One of the reasons the old nicad tools are cheap is because they suck,
compared to modern tools of any brand, even cheap ones.=C2=A0 They're designed around the power output of the battery pack, and the nicad or
NiMH batteries didn't provide much power.=C2=A0 This is perfectly fine = for
things that don't draw much power, but it's pretty limiting for
anything that drills, saws, or grinds.=C2=A0 =C2=A0it's also why cordle= ss saws
used to be so incredibly gutless, but there are now cordless table
saws that work as well as most jobsite corded table saws.

Discharge current of a sub-c nicad (the cell in most nicad tool
battery packs)=C2=A0 is somewhere around 2 to 4 A; the lithium cells used in modern tools can produce 10 to 30A depending on the particular
cells in the pack; milwaukee high output packs[1] (which use
physically larger 21700 cells, instead of 18650 in their other packs,
and commonly used by everyone else) can go even higher.=C2=A0 That means 18V lithium packs with three sets of cells in parallel have more
potential power output than a 15A 120V receptacle, and tools with a
pair of batteries (common for miter and table saws) are quite capable
of taking advantage of that.

[1] pretty sure other brands have 21700 packs, too.

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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I tried to kill a yellowjacket nest in a stone wall tonight. They are entering at ground level. Any experienced opinions on where I should have aimed the can? I only had one :-) Emptied 3/4 of it into the gap in the wall but not a single angry wasp came out so I'm not convinced I hit anything. Morning will tell. Should I expect they're in the ground, or would they have built a nest amongst the rocks? I've never seen that. 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Cc: Shop Talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3669817331045588954== --0000000000003074c0060240b5b3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The yellowjacket nests I've dealt with are in the ground. A can of hornet killing spray has eliminated them. https://diypestcontrol.com/yellowjackets.htm EjR On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 5:47=E2=80=AFAM Jim Franklin wrote: > I tried to kill a yellowjacket nest in a stone wall tonight. They are > entering at ground level. Any experienced opinions on where I should have > aimed the can? I only had one :-) Emptied 3/4 of it into the gap in the > wall but not a single angry wasp came out so I'm not convinced I hit > anything. Morning will tell. > > Should I expect they're in the ground, or would they have built a nest > amongst the rocks? I've never seen that. > > (fire, nukes, pros, all not viable options at the moment) > > If the can didn't work, any ideas on what to try next? > > thanks, > jim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/ejrussell61@gmail.com > > --0000000000003074c0060240b5b3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The= yellowjacket nests I've dealt with are in the ground. A can of hornet = killing spray has eliminated them.=C2=A0
https://diypestcontrol.com/yellowjackets.htm=C2=A0

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On Sun, Aug 6, 202= 3 at 5:47=E2=80=AFAM Jim Franklin <jamesf@groupwbench.org> wrote:
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Should I expect they're in the ground, or would they have built a nest = amongst the rocks? I've never seen that.

(fire, nukes, pros, all not viable options at the moment)

If the can didn't work, any ideas on what to try next?

thanks,
jim
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Same, hole in the ground, I just park a running lawn mower over it.

On 8/6/2023 8:59 AM, Eric Russell wrote:
The yellowjacket nests I've dealt with are in the ground. A can of hornet killing spray has eliminated them. 
https://diypestcontrol.com/yellowjackets.htm 

EjR 

On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 5:47 AM Jim Franklin <jamesf@groupwbench.org> wrote:
I tried to kill a yellowjacket nest in a stone wall tonight. They are entering at ground level. Any experienced opinions on where I should have aimed the can? I only had one  :-)  Emptied 3/4 of it into the gap in the wall but not a single angry wasp came out so I'm not convinced I hit anything. Morning will tell.

Should I expect they're in the ground, or would they have built a nest amongst the rocks? I've never seen that.

(fire, nukes, pros, all not viable options at the moment)

If the can didn't work, any ideas on what to try next?

thanks,
jim
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--------------tzuItG3T758nabrmcIkX8eyR-- --===============3815097878125337625== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============3815097878125337625==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 7 16:07:37 2023 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14D6BA15C7 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2023 16:07:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from relay2-d.mail.gandi.net (unknown [217.70.183.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC7BFA138D for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2023 12:20:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 61DF840005; Mon, 7 Aug 2023 18:20:44 +0000 (UTC) From: Jim Franklin Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2023 14:20:41 -0400 To: Eric Russell References: Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Eradicating yellowjackets in a stone wall? Cc: Shop Talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============6732250809849366156== boundary="Apple-Mail=_7F199E83-1D51-4B1F-B8FD-361F68176C88" --Apple-Mail=_7F199E83-1D51-4B1F-B8FD-361F68176C88 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 I've tried spray and dust (which may have been diatomaceous earth, = landlord can't remember). Neither is making it into the hole in the = ground, which is either way far back or around a 90 degree bend.=20 She's ordering delta dust but I'd like to rig up a remote blower for it = so I can hit them during the day from a few feet away. I'm thinking a = length of rubber tubing with a T junction, and I dump the powder into a = funnel in the T junction and blow it to the other end.=20 I'm open to less Caddyshack-like solutions :-) jim > On Aug 6, 2023, at 8:59 AM, Eric Russell = wrote: >=20 > The yellowjacket nests I've dealt with are in the ground. A can of = hornet killing spray has eliminated them.=20 > https://diypestcontrol.com/yellowjackets.htm = =20 >=20 > EjR=20 >=20 > On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 5:47=E2=80=AFAM Jim Franklin = > I tried to kill a yellowjacket nest in a stone wall tonight. They are = entering at ground level. Any experienced opinions on where I should = have aimed the can? I only had one :-) Emptied 3/4 of it into the gap = in the wall but not a single angry wasp came out so I'm not convinced I = hit anything. Morning will tell.=20 >=20 > Should I expect they're in the ground, or would they have built a nest = amongst the rocks? I've never seen that. >=20 > (fire, nukes, pros, all not viable options at the moment) >=20 > If the can didn't work, any ideas on what to try next? >=20 > thanks, > jim > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html = > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk = http://autox.team.net/archive = >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/ejrussell61@gmail.com = >=20 --Apple-Mail=_7F199E83-1D51-4B1F-B8FD-361F68176C88 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 I've = tried spray and dust (which may have been diatomaceous earth, landlord = can't remember). Neither is making it into the hole in the ground, which = is either way far back or around a 90 degree bend. 

She's ordering delta = dust but I'd like to rig up a remote blower for it so I can hit them = during the day from a few feet away. I'm thinking a length of rubber = tubing with a T junction, and I dump the powder into a funnel in the T = junction and blow it to the other end. 

I'm open to less Caddyshack-like = solutions :-)

jim

On Aug 6, 2023, at 8:59 AM, Eric Russell = <ejrussell61@gmail.com> wrote:

The = yellowjacket nests I've dealt with are in the ground. A can of hornet = killing spray has eliminated them. 
https://diypestcontrol.com/yellowjackets.htm 

EjR 
On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 5:47=E2=80=AFAM Jim Franklin = <jamesf@groupwbench.org> wrote:
I = tried to kill a yellowjacket nest in a stone wall tonight. They are = entering at ground level. Any experienced opinions on where I should = have aimed the can? I only had one  :-)  Emptied 3/4 of it = into the gap in the wall but not a single angry wasp came out so I'm not = convinced I hit anything. Morning will tell.

Should I expect they're in the ground, or would they have built a nest = amongst the rocks? I've never seen that.

(fire, nukes, pros, all not viable options at the moment)

If the can didn't work, any ideas on what to try next?

thanks,
jim
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= --Apple-Mail=_7F199E83-1D51-4B1F-B8FD-361F68176C88-- --===============6732250809849366156== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============6732250809849366156==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 7 19:08:26 2023 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E9FBA14CA for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2023 19:08:26 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ed1-f48.google.com (unknown [209.85.208.48]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEB17A1485 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2023 16:18:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ed1-f48.google.com with SMTP id 4fb4d7f45d1cf-5230f8da574so2247328a12.3 for ; Mon, 07 Aug 2023 15:18:54 -0700 (PDT) d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1691446733; x=1692051533; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=+PKsT5PV6QYBuMrUWVwQY9NkmelCAPe473EcsEJL7jk=; b=q1ef7ph6F9LEkPQCJsrIKMz3KwXaiDYHm+OE+gwI02jxgxgFva4J01hrH+Uu6KZSr/ t/PCgSJd7nqFvnpm51ZGY3Unt+43aVTEd1grP6qgPD/DGNlULKWgUleWW4wp+ks9aP6d +sM0MSC7gG/uSgxS2sMzLd3k0fhz1xe6cvaoZ1bBGScMKlBV1UPz53IHv5gmbSriNmII 5eBwfvtG6N0F38xQ0cvcykhREL38wZXY5WrNEbhQuvjHZtZZBzjxbjKU9IVCmRRGk8sY ezRfDC25OLasnyRX1PENTSFkDx91Rks+QMtgBViciSIWhj6xDpx9tziPN5uhEyrmvxFT TL0A== d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1691446733; x=1692051533; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=+PKsT5PV6QYBuMrUWVwQY9NkmelCAPe473EcsEJL7jk=; b=JMv0qjAbV6r0Cm8vNJNAwi4OsQ/gcqOuPr29JNXEF7MAwDkK2ANV05WjgYTrECq7AD QRWaQEkRLeacg069B/fpAl8QNd2uq9HjLP+8rrOXhyPcvzI0dDBCB0g3qE6aXQxaEV4f 7qK1KcO5dIDdQfljjuJ5sCFR0vjbuv1Xm4+eXoLkgWYBE9NuLmHTrXWDkt52SL0YkzvJ mHC4UtXD7+/h7qmCtKHQ2OIsNmoopLqMJE1lIFp1f5Ub80nIpiOKzMByMrbharBfInBT Q4IOAEw2Xcbz1H0Jjc5eqQ/4TrGxTLr6Nq0xDmckNWJWCsaUuFPIyImHZZ1uwpGmrEFE 6YYA== xy89bXQjsuhLJPk6FbEJNmFgIzTwPWjlzvg1l4E= 9-20020a170906328900b009889ec1a8c5mr9123072ejw.55.1691446733348; Mon, 07 Aug 2023 15:18:53 -0700 (PDT) References: From: John Innis Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2023 17:18:43 -0500 To: Jim Franklin Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Eradicating yellowjackets in a stone wall? Cc: Shop Talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3360276465526099389== --000000000000b2a37b06025ca1fa Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable " I'm open to less Caddyshack-like solutions :-)" So suggesting diesel fuel and a propane torch is right out? On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 5:16=E2=80=AFPM Jim Franklin wrote: > I've tried spray and dust (which may have been diatomaceous earth, > landlord can't remember). Neither is making it into the hole in the groun= d, > which is either way far back or around a 90 degree bend. > > She's ordering delta dust but I'd like to rig up a remote blower for it s= o > I can hit them during the day from a few feet away. I'm thinking a length > of rubber tubing with a T junction, and I dump the powder into a funnel i= n > the T junction and blow it to the other end. > > I'm open to less Caddyshack-like solutions :-) > > jim > > On Aug 6, 2023, at 8:59 AM, Eric Russell wrote: > > The yellowjacket nests I've dealt with are in the ground. A can of hornet > killing spray has eliminated them. > https://diypestcontrol.com/yellowjackets.htm > > EjR > > On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 5:47=E2=80=AFAM Jim Franklin > wrote: > >> I tried to kill a yellowjacket nest in a stone wall tonight. They are >> entering at ground level. Any experienced opinions on where I should hav= e >> aimed the can? I only had one :-) Emptied 3/4 of it into the gap in th= e >> wall but not a single angry wasp came out so I'm not convinced I hit >> anything. Morning will tell. >> >> Should I expect they're in the ground, or would they have built a nest >> amongst the rocks? I've never seen that. >> >> (fire, nukes, pros, all not viable options at the moment) >> >> If the can didn't work, any ideas on what to try next? >> >> thanks, >> jim >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/ejrussell61@gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdinnis@gmail.com > > --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D Never offend people with style when you =3D =3D can offend with substance --- Sam Brown =3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --000000000000b2a37b06025ca1fa Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
" I'm open to less Caddyshack-like solutions :-)"
So sugge= sting diesel fuel and a propane torch is right out?

On Mon, Aug 7,= 2023 at 5:16=E2=80=AFPM Jim Franklin <jamesf@groupwbench.org> wrote:
= I've tried spray and dust (which may have been diatomaceous earth, land= lord can't remember). Neither is making it into the hole in the ground,= which is either way far back or around a 90 degree bend.=C2=A0

She's ordering delta dust but I'd like to rig up a remote b= lower for it so I can hit them during the day from a few feet away. I'm= thinking a length of rubber tubing with a T junction, and I dump the powde= r into a funnel in the T junction and blow it to the other end.=C2=A0
=

I'm open to less Caddyshack-like solutions :-)

jim

On Aug = 6, 2023, at 8:59 AM, Eric Russell <ejrussell61@gmail.com> wrote:

The y= ellowjacket nests I've dealt with are in the ground. A can of hornet ki= lling spray has eliminated them.=C2=A0
https://diypestcontrol.com/yellowjackets.htm=C2= =A0

EjR=C2=A0

On= Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 5:47=E2=80=AFAM Jim Franklin <jamesf@groupwbench.org> wrote= :
I tried to kil= l a yellowjacket nest in a stone wall tonight. They are entering at ground = level. Any experienced opinions on where I should have aimed the can? I onl= y had one=C2=A0 :-)=C2=A0 Emptied 3/4 of it into the gap in the wall but no= t a single angry wasp came out so I'm not convinced I hit anything. Mor= ning will tell.

Should I expect they're in the ground, or would they have built a nest = amongst the rocks? I've never seen that.

(fire, nukes, pros, all not viable options at the moment)

If the can didn't work, any ideas on what to try next?

thanks,
jim
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--000000000000b2a37b06025ca1fa-- --===============3360276465526099389== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============3360276465526099389==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 7 19:26:40 2023 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6B63A078B for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2023 19:26:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from ms11p00im-qufo17282101.me.com (unknown [17.58.38.58]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4714A1386 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2023 16:22:12 -0600 (MDT) s=1a1hai; t=1691446932; bh=2hR89W7Ozg/7nom2RHGva15pSBo9/mBY96yWYO861Kc=; h=Content-Type:From:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To; b=StDMgADUu16uY4DgNxHmEzuolPlUFaPo6yf3SkttdSFDZQ+xyro3/FcQ1LNla0uEo Bo29YIvOi5Ns9ky53U34KCYW+5qavv2jFQ2V8+gT5hnO512dzAHwAT7rQjiIQPdrFq SmymyaIcu/pSxl6bw4Dru8wLLffsL6peTjpKXjjXEalE19pmylxxevYNNFBcBTmzQ3 ZFQXSYv4w/bFjQvs4GhSKqAI1hE9iwvNnwhY64REBcsZgPHehpuENZ0T5NAyrJSYMI E9KKdcNfC2UMy/83b6Dc4hOKHJ8njHMKbQw5I8ae12JHAJPJztWa1+c+EYImN4Yqyl zXaTp1hg9YPJQ== Received: from smtpclient.apple (ms11p00im-dlb-asmtpmailmevip.me.com [17.57.154.19]) by ms11p00im-qufo17282101.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1AEDD8C0219; Mon, 7 Aug 2023 22:22:11 +0000 (UTC) From: Pat Horne Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2023 17:21:59 -0500 References: To: Jim Franklin =?UTF-8?Q?2903e8d5c8f:6.0.138,18.0.572,17.0.605.474.0000000_definitions?= =?UTF-8?Q?=3D2020-02-14=5F11:2020-02-14=5F02,2020-02-14=5F11,2020-01-23?= =?UTF-8?Q?=5F02_signatures=3D0?= malwarescore=0 mlxscore=0 adultscore=0 clxscore=1015 spamscore=0 bulkscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 phishscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2212070000 definitions=main-2308070202 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Eradicating yellowjackets in a stone wall? Cc: Shop Talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============9063859402125128653== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-1B41804A-6336-4EF3-B841-E870A37699A7 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable CO generator with pump & copper tubing t= o inject down/ around the hole?

Peace, Pat

Pat Horne 
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On Aug 7, 2023, at 5:19 PM, Jim Frankl= in <jamesf@groupwbench.org> wrote:

=EF=BB= =BF= I've tried spray and dust (which may have been diatomaceous earth, landlord c= an't remember). Neither is making it into the hole in the ground, which is e= ither way far back or around a 90 degree bend. 

She's ordering delta dust but I'd like to rig u= p a remote blower for it so I can hit them during the day from a few feet aw= ay. I'm thinking a length of rubber tubing with a T junction, and I dump the= powder into a funnel in the T junction and blow it to the other end. <= /div>

I'm open to less C= addyshack-like solutions :-)

jim

On Aug 6, 2023, at 8:59 AM, Eric Russell <ejrussell61@gmail.com> w= rote:

The y= ellowjacket nests I've dealt with are in the ground. A can of hornet killing= spray has eliminated them. 
https://diypestcontrol.com/yellowjackets.htm 

EjR 

On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 5:47=E2=80=AFAM Jim Franklin <jamesf@groupwbench.org>= wrote:
I tried to kill a yellowjacket nest in a stone wall tonight. They are enter= ing at ground level. Any experienced opinions on where I should have aimed t= he can? I only had one  :-)  Emptied 3/4 of it into the gap in the= wall but not a single angry wasp came out so I'm not convinced I hit anythi= ng. Morning will tell.

Should I expect they're in the ground, or would they have built a nest among= st the rocks? I've never seen that.

(fire, nukes, pros, all not viable options at the moment)

If the can didn't work, any ideas on what to try next?

thanks,
jim
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Cc: Shop Talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1870221977061630032== --00000000000017155506025f0479 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Diesel fuel and ammonium nitrate, THEN the propane torch! On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 6:08 PM John Innis wrote: > " I'm open to less Caddyshack-like solutions :-)" > So suggesting diesel fuel and a propane torch is right out? > > On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 5:16=E2=80=AFPM Jim Franklin > wrote: > >> I've tried spray and dust (which may have been diatomaceous earth, >> landlord can't remember). Neither is making it into the hole in the grou= nd, >> which is either way far back or around a 90 degree bend. >> >> She's ordering delta dust but I'd like to rig up a remote blower for it >> so I can hit them during the day from a few feet away. I'm thinking a >> length of rubber tubing with a T junction, and I dump the powder into a >> funnel in the T junction and blow it to the other end. >> >> I'm open to less Caddyshack-like solutions :-) >> >> jim >> >> On Aug 6, 2023, at 8:59 AM, Eric Russell wrote: >> >> The yellowjacket nests I've dealt with are in the ground. A can of horne= t >> killing spray has eliminated them. >> https://diypestcontrol.com/yellowjackets.htm >> >> EjR >> >> On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 5:47=E2=80=AFAM Jim Franklin >> wrote: >> >>> I tried to kill a yellowjacket nest in a stone wall tonight. They are >>> entering at ground level. Any experienced opinions on where I should ha= ve >>> aimed the can? I only had one :-) Emptied 3/4 of it into the gap in t= he >>> wall but not a single angry wasp came out so I'm not convinced I hit >>> anything. Morning will tell. >>> >>> Should I expect they're in the ground, or would they have built a nest >>> amongst the rocks? I've never seen that. >>> >>> (fire, nukes, pros, all not viable options at the moment) >>> >>> If the can didn't work, any ideas on what to try next? >>> >>> thanks, >>> jim >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >>> http://autox.team.net/archive >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/ejrussell61@gmail.com >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdinnis@gmail.com >> >> > > -- > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > =3D Never offend people with style when you =3D > =3D can offend with substance --- Sam Brown =3D > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/berry@kerch.com > > --00000000000017155506025f0479 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Diesel fuel and ammonium nitrate, THEN the propane torch!=

On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 6:08 PM John Innis <jdinnis@gmail.com> wrote:
" I'm open to less Caddyshack-like solutions :-)"
So sugge= sting diesel fuel and a propane torch is right out?

On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 5:16=E2=80=AFPM Jim Franklin <= jamesf@groupwbe= nch.org> wrote:
= I've tried spray and dust (which may have been diatomaceous earth, land= lord can't remember). Neither is making it into the hole in the ground,= which is either way far back or around a 90 degree bend.=C2=A0

She's ordering delta dust but I'd like to rig up a remote b= lower for it so I can hit them during the day from a few feet away. I'm= thinking a length of rubber tubing with a T junction, and I dump the powde= r into a funnel in the T junction and blow it to the other end.=C2=A0
=

I'm open to less Caddyshack-like solutions :-)

jim

On Aug = 6, 2023, at 8:59 AM, Eric Russell <ejrussell61@gmail.com> wrote:

The y= ellowjacket nests I've dealt with are in the ground. A can of hornet ki= lling spray has eliminated them.=C2=A0
https://diypestcontrol.com/yellowjackets.htm=C2= =A0

EjR=C2=A0

On= Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 5:47=E2=80=AFAM Jim Franklin <jamesf@groupwbench.org> wrote= :
I tried to kill a yellowjacket nest in a stone = wall tonight. They are entering at ground level. Any experienced opinions o= n where I should have aimed the can? I only had one=C2=A0 :-)=C2=A0 Emptied= 3/4 of it into the gap in the wall but not a single angry wasp came out so= I'm not convinced I hit anything. Morning will tell.

Should I expect they're in the ground, or would they have built a nest = amongst the rocks? I've never seen that.

(fire, nukes, pros, all not viable options at the moment)

If the can didn't work, any ideas on what to try next?

thanks,
jim
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Cc: Shop Talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0541211658943133816== --00000000000029438306025f543a Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Umm we need to talk about the concept of proportional response. Also the BATFE would like a word.... On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 8:09=E2=80=AFPM Berry Kercheval wr= ote: > Diesel fuel and ammonium nitrate, THEN the propane torch! > > On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 6:08 PM John Innis wrote: > >> " I'm open to less Caddyshack-like solutions :-)" >> So suggesting diesel fuel and a propane torch is right out? >> >> On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 5:16=E2=80=AFPM Jim Franklin >> wrote: >> >>> I've tried spray and dust (which may have been diatomaceous earth, >>> landlord can't remember). Neither is making it into the hole in the gro= und, >>> which is either way far back or around a 90 degree bend. >>> >>> She's ordering delta dust but I'd like to rig up a remote blower for it >>> so I can hit them during the day from a few feet away. I'm thinking a >>> length of rubber tubing with a T junction, and I dump the powder into a >>> funnel in the T junction and blow it to the other end. >>> >>> I'm open to less Caddyshack-like solutions :-) >>> >>> jim >>> >>> On Aug 6, 2023, at 8:59 AM, Eric Russell wrote: >>> >>> The yellowjacket nests I've dealt with are in the ground. A can of >>> hornet killing spray has eliminated them. >>> https://diypestcontrol.com/yellowjackets.htm >>> >>> EjR >>> >>> On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 5:47=E2=80=AFAM Jim Franklin >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I tried to kill a yellowjacket nest in a stone wall tonight. They are >>>> entering at ground level. Any experienced opinions on where I should h= ave >>>> aimed the can? I only had one :-) Emptied 3/4 of it into the gap in = the >>>> wall but not a single angry wasp came out so I'm not convinced I hit >>>> anything. Morning will tell. >>>> >>>> Should I expect they're in the ground, or would they have built a nest >>>> amongst the rocks? I've never seen that. >>>> >>>> (fire, nukes, pros, all not viable options at the moment) >>>> >>>> If the can didn't work, any ideas on what to try next? >>>> >>>> thanks, >>>> jim >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >>>> http://autox.team.net/archive >>>> >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/ejrussell61@gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >>> http://autox.team.net/archive >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdinnis@gmail.com >>> >>> >> >> -- >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> =3D Never offend people with style when you =3D >> =3D can offend with substance --- Sam Brown =3D >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/berry@kerch.com >> >> --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D Never offend people with style when you =3D =3D can offend with substance --- Sam Brown =3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --00000000000029438306025f543a Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Umm we need to talk about the concept of proportional resp= onse.=C2=A0 Also the BATFE would like a word....

On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at = 8:09=E2=80=AFPM Berry Kercheval <berr= y@kerch.com> wrote:
Diesel fuel and ammonium nitrate, THEN the pro= pane torch!

On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 6:08 PM John Innis <jdinnis@gmail.com> wrote:<= br>
" I'm open to less Caddyshack-like solutions :-)"
So sugge= sting diesel fuel and a propane torch is right out?

On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 5:16=E2=80=AFPM Jim Franklin <= jamesf@groupwbe= nch.org> wrote:
I've = tried spray and dust (which may have been diatomaceous earth, landlord can&= #39;t remember). Neither is making it into the hole in the ground, which is= either way far back or around a 90 degree bend.=C2=A0

S= he's ordering delta dust but I'd like to rig up a remote blower for= it so I can hit them during the day from a few feet away. I'm thinking= a length of rubber tubing with a T junction, and I dump the powder into a = funnel in the T junction and blow it to the other end.=C2=A0

=
I'm open to less Caddyshack-like solutions :-)
jim

On Aug 6, 2023, = at 8:59 AM, Eric Russell <ejrussell61@gmail.com> wrote:

The yellowjack= et nests I've dealt with are in the ground. A can of hornet killing spr= ay has eliminated them.=C2=A0
https://diypestcontrol.com/yellowjackets.htm=C2=A0

EjR=C2=A0

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On Sun, Aug= 6, 2023 at 5:47=E2=80=AFAM Jim Franklin <jamesf@groupwbench.org> wrote:
I tried to kill a yello= wjacket nest in a stone wall tonight. They are entering at ground level. An= y experienced opinions on where I should have aimed the can? I only had one= =C2=A0 :-)=C2=A0 Emptied 3/4 of it into the gap in the wall but not a singl= e angry wasp came out so I'm not convinced I hit anything. Morning will= tell.

Should I expect they're in the ground, or would they have built a nest = amongst the rocks? I've never seen that.

(fire, nukes, pros, all not viable options at the moment)

If the can didn't work, any ideas on what to try next?

thanks,
jim
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Cc: Shop Talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4672825839563393337== boundary="----=_Part_1410881_297866346.1691494499614" ------=_Part_1410881_297866346.1691494499614 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK, Mr. McVeigh. BTW, Diatomaceous earth is ineffective on yellow jackets.=C2=A0 It works on= animals that will eat it like slugs and worms. If you found the hole try putting a rock over it.=C2=A0 Can't hurt. Dave=20 =20 On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 09:43:34 PM CDT, Berry Kercheval wrote: =20 =20 Diesel fuel and ammonium nitrate, THEN the propane torch! On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 6:08 PM John Innis wrote: "I'm open to less Caddyshack-like solutions :-)"So suggesting diesel fuel a= nd a propane torch is right out? On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 5:16=E2=80=AFPM Jim Franklin wrote: I've tried spray and dust (which may have been diatomaceous earth, landlord= can't remember). Neither is making it into the hole in the ground, which i= s either way far back or around a 90 degree bend.=C2=A0 She's ordering delta dust but I'd like to rig up a remote blower for it so = I can hit them during the day from a few feet away. I'm thinking a length o= f rubber tubing with a T junction, and I dump the powder into a funnel in t= he T junction and blow it to the other end.=C2=A0 I'm open to less Caddyshack-like solutions :-) jim On Aug 6, 2023, at 8:59 AM, Eric Russell wrote: The yellowjacket nests I've dealt with are in the ground. A can of hornet k= illing spray has eliminated them.=C2=A0https://diypestcontrol.com/yellowjac= kets.htm=C2=A0 EjR=C2=A0 On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 5:47=E2=80=AFAM Jim Franklin wrote: I tried to kill a yellowjacket nest in a stone wall tonight. They are enter= ing at ground level. Any experienced opinions on where I should have aimed = the can? I only had one=C2=A0 :-)=C2=A0 Emptied 3/4 of it into the gap in t= he wall but not a single angry wasp came out so I'm not convinced I hit any= thing. Morning will tell.=20 Should I expect they're in the ground, or would they have built a nest amon= gst the rocks? I've never seen that. (fire, nukes, pros, all not viable options at the moment) If the can didn't work, any ideas on what to try next? thanks, jim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arch= ive ll61@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arch= ive @gmail.com --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D Never offend people with style when you=C2=A0=C2=A0 =3D =3D can offend with substance --- Sam Brown=C2=A0 =3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arch= ive erch.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arch= ive ssey@cs.com =20 ------=_Part_1410881_297866346.1691494499614 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
OK, Mr. McVeigh.

BTW, Diat= omaceous earth is ineffective on yellow jackets.  It works on animals = that will eat it like slugs and worms.

If you found the h= ole try putting a rock over it.  Can't hurt.

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On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 09:43:34 PM CDT, Berry Ker= cheval <berry@kerch.com> wrote:


Diesel = fuel and ammonium nitrate, THEN the propane torch!

On Mon, Aug = 7, 2023 at 6:08 PM John Innis <jdinnis@gmail.com> wro= te:
" I'm open to less Caddyshack-like solutions :-)"
So suggesting die= sel fuel and a propane torch is right out?
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On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 5:16=E2=80=AFPM= Jim Franklin <jamesf@groupwbench.org> wrote:
I've tried spray and dust (which may have been diatomaceous ea= rth, landlord can't remember). Neither is making it into the hole in the gr= ound, which is either way far back or around a 90 degree bend. 
She's ordering delta dust but I'd like to rig u= p a remote blower for it so I can hit them during the day from a few feet a= way. I'm thinking a length of rubber tubing with a T junction, and I dump t= he powder into a funnel in the T junction and blow it to the other end.&nbs= p;

I'm open to less Caddyshack-like= solutions :-)

jim

On Aug 6, 2023, at= 8:59 AM, Eric Russell <ejrussell61@gmail.com> wr= ote:

The yellowjacket ne= sts I've dealt with are in the ground. A can of hornet killing spray has el= iminated them. 
https://diyp= estcontrol.com/yellowjackets.htm 
EjR 

On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 5:47=E2=80=AFAM Jim Fr= anklin <jamesf@groupwbench.org> wrote:
I tried to kill a= yellowjacket nest in a stone wall tonight. They are entering at ground lev= el. Any experienced opinions on where I should have aimed the can? I only h= ad one  :-)  Emptied 3/4 of it into the gap in the wall but not a= single angry wasp came out so I'm not convinced I hit anything. Morning wi= ll tell.

Should I expect they're in the ground, or would they have built a nest amon= gst the rocks? I've never seen that.

(fire, nukes, pros, all not viable options at the moment)

If the can didn't work, any ideas on what to try next?

thanks,
jim
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Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============9077664113359176093== --000000000000d3dd6306026e3f9c Anyone dealt with putting an elevator or a stairlift in a house? Trustworthy brands? Brands to avoid? -- Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA --000000000000d3dd6306026e3f9c Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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--000000000000d3dd6306026e3f9c-- --===============9077664113359176093== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============9077664113359176093==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 00:13:03 2023 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB798A0D40 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2023 00:13:03 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from chumdrop.sackheads.org (unknown [159.203.76.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E22FBA1579 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2023 21:12:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chumdrop.sackheads.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EFE32407FA for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2023 23:12:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chumdrop.sackheads.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (chumdrop.sackheads.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MwXiClknMJ87 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2023 23:12:32 -0400 (EDT) s=2022-US; t=1691377951; bh=+HIk6L+cMtLPr5/anbYRGXNIYPTBJU6HA/vA8K8yODs=; h=Date:Subject:To:References:From:In-Reply-To:From; b=YYLRdiO7QpF2Ppio/z2UPV7qe0M4rS5Ai+yidxMDa1HC4e4uEtZaX6EB7rwgSU7yt XbrSDGW9/cjL6SlTUR3WTcuNP/DEQCDMENLZ9Dvpvp0M6lls12Q4e5uzv+nNsuWLQ7 5DSjP9Av7ItOQeeph9OdRsaJdpQEo9n1Qlz+g/hbA59ZrSUb5Mj0yphJwEdl1QjJAL 0gO4a/tKwUnez4DgZyK5GfLygYgBQuQyVXhxBWFWX7cxoiPP7igC+uq8VBJ38paYQT lV30c3yNo38lgNTcjTRjm04OggIQzpqXSsGgYTVrRePtdtn7PFDXyb0sntJJRm3GWh jpE6aj8Al/86w== Received: from [10.0.1.32] (unknown [24.209.25.219]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jimmie@sackheads.org) by chumdrop.sackheads.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D281C2407F8 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2023 23:12:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2023 23:12:30 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Content-Language: en-US To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: From: Jimmie Mayfield Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Eradicating yellowjackets in a stone wall? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net I recall seeing a video where someone was trying to eradicate a hard-to-get-to hornet nest in a roof where they wound up leaving a running shopvac at the entrance to capture the hornets as they entered/left. If you later suck up some powdered pesticide like Sevin or diatomaceous earth, it ought to kill them while trapped in the vacuum. On 8/5/23 21:54, Jim Franklin wrote: > I tried to kill a yellowjacket nest in a stone wall tonight. They are entering at ground level. Any experienced opinions on where I should have aimed the can? I only had one :-) Emptied 3/4 of it into the gap in the wall but not a single angry wasp came out so I'm not convinced I hit anything. Morning will tell. > > Should I expect they're in the ground, or would they have built a nest amongst the rocks? I've never seen that. > > (fire, nukes, pros, all not viable options at the moment) > > If the can didn't work, any ideas on what to try next? > > thanks, > jim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mayfield+shoptalk@sackheads.org > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Wed Aug 9 05:55:18 2023 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA2CBA0899 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2023 05:55:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from smtp-out-3.talktalk.net (unknown [62.24.135.67]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A90FA0E4F for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2023 04:22:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.157] ([92.3.200.10]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP id TgKpqdDORBkwpTgKpqY7rv; Wed, 09 Aug 2023 11:22:35 +0100 s=cmr1711; t=1691576555; bh=13yF2Et0fG2jRGMNYlWIf/5kxbj3ohP7+ZvxQ/r4Z1g=; h=Date:Subject:To:References:From:In-Reply-To; b=A8hbl3vGO6hVeHKxTfEc38S2swuQ/bTTvXFfDe1mcHVy3T4E56meXMlKqanc4NKpl fICcWI2Bi/VFmTv7sPK6teKknaMuygz1C9KrfI33mO5Tl7+yWpJc6rg3a5TIrBQMvQ JjGNlwZl5VAoRef1cldJw3JfRehwG4pUeOmoknkA= a=F47K9kEEWZa6lYwFKzhMpQ==:17 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=VQ-sNoElHOp0HO7Vk2wA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 11:22:38 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.14.0 Content-Language: en-GB To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: From: Neil Sherry FP+zLezWCYOarmqJiKem1I1a88XN9QbMUaGHX2ahLMBvWXLKyip/FKJITjwNNVAqDwL2Uy3Hx6/SjA== Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Eradicating yellowjackets in a stone wall? 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I did two bathrooms a few years ago. I did 12x12 tiles for my floor. The first was on a diagonal. The second was square with the walls. I used Ditra uncoupling membrane bought by the foot from a local flooring supply company in one bathroom over joists. I used two layers of plywood and a layer of 1/4" cement board. My other bathroom was a concrete slab. I used Dragon Skin (similar product to Reg Guard) as my flex layer. Over a slab, be sure to use a concrete primer or the membrane might peel off like on my first attempt. For grout, I really like Custom Building Products Fusion Pro. They say it is stain proof and has held up very well. Read about application and micro-fiber sponges to clean as you go. People that think they can buff off the haze the next day have issues. I cleaned as I went and it was wonderful. Tip - Get a nice pair of gel kneepads. Brian -----Original Message----- From: Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> Sent: Aug 10, 2023 2:24 AM To: Shop Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Bathroom Floor Tile Installation Are there any tiling experts here? I am getting ready to tile my new bathroom floor and have hit a snag in my plans, which originally involved plywood underlayment, Laticrete Strata Mat Uncoupling Membrane and “penny” mosaic tiles. I’ve save the details for the moment until I know if this is worth pursuing here. 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[67.80.237.38]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z18-20020a0cf252000000b00636aafcbacesm1961081qvl.56.2023.08.12.06.24.47 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 12 Aug 2023 06:24:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Stone <1789alpine@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2023 09:24:36 -0400 To: "Peter J. Thomas" , Donald H Locker References: <680FB325-6869-4AD9-898D-68C41BFA0CAE@gmail.com> <61aaa6b3-5c65-3863-0772-bc9eabed420f@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Bathroom Floor Tile Installation Cc: Shop Talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============1940541836325625193== boundary="Apple-Mail=_96D63A0F-02A3-45F2-A9F5-AF4D2FEE70CB" --Apple-Mail=_96D63A0F-02A3-45F2-A9F5-AF4D2FEE70CB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 Thanks, guys. I=E2=80=99ve been spending time on the John Bridge forum = following Brian=E2=80=99s advice. https://www.johnbridge.com/ They = quickly killed my original plan and moved me on to using 1/4=E2=80=9D = concrete backer board. I feel comfortable with this direction. =20 Here is the link to the discussion, for anyone who is interested: = https://www.johnbridge.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=3D1591233&posted=3D1= #post1591233 > On Aug 11, 2023, at 9:46 AM, Peter J. Thomas = wrote: >=20 > Did two bathrooms with hex mosaic tiles. I'd recommend floor leveling = compound for small tiles. If it's a small bathroom you really don't need = uncoupling membrane. >=20 > Good Luck. > Peter >=20 > On 8/9/2023 7:29 PM, Jim Stone wrote: >> Are there any tiling experts here? I am getting ready to tile my new = bathroom floor and have hit a snag in my plans, which originally = involved plywood underlayment, Laticrete Strata Mat Uncoupling Membrane = and =E2=80=9Cpenny=E2=80=9D mosaic tiles. I=E2=80=99ve save the details = for the moment until I know if this is worth pursuing here. >>=20 >> Thanks, >> Jim >> _______________________________________________ >>=20 >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk = http://autox.team.net/archive >>=20 >> Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pj_thomas@comcast.net >>=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk = http://autox.team.net/archive >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/1789alpine@gmail.com >=20 --Apple-Mail=_96D63A0F-02A3-45F2-A9F5-AF4D2FEE70CB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 Thanks, guys. =  I=E2=80=99ve been spending time on the John Bridge forum following = Brian=E2=80=99s advice.  https://www.johnbridge.com/ = They quickly killed my original plan and moved me on to using 1/4=E2=80=9D= concrete backer board.  I feel comfortable with this direction. =  

Here is the link to the discussion, for anyone = who is interested: https://www.johnbridge.com/vbulletin/showthread.= php?p=3D1591233&posted=3D1#post1591233

On Aug 11, 2023, at 9:46 AM, Peter J. Thomas = <pj_thomas@comcast.net> wrote:

Did two bathrooms with hex = mosaic tiles.  I'd recommend floor leveling compound for small = tiles. If it's a small bathroom you really don't need uncoupling = membrane.

Good Luck.
Peter

On 8/9/2023 7:29 PM, Jim = Stone wrote:
Are there any tiling experts = here?  I am getting ready to tile my new bathroom floor and have = hit a snag in my plans, which originally involved plywood underlayment, = Laticrete Strata Mat Uncoupling Membrane and =E2=80=9Cpenny=E2=80=9D = mosaic tiles.  I=E2=80=99ve save the details for the moment until I = know if this is worth pursuing = here.

Thanks,
Jim
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= --Apple-Mail=_96D63A0F-02A3-45F2-A9F5-AF4D2FEE70CB-- --===============1940541836325625193== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============1940541836325625193==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 13 15:31:06 2023 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80381A0AE6 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2023 15:31:06 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oo1-f41.google.com (unknown [209.85.161.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA5DDA08F4 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2023 12:21:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oo1-f41.google.com with SMTP id 006d021491bc7-56c711a88e8so2813904eaf.2 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2023 11:21:17 -0700 (PDT) d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1691950877; x=1692555677; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=ZLuD+0c/flFuolGgu5RhQo1Diujxz1cPCiZrkTxJCHo=; b=SHSZOvCuMfWcg/5OunjWZCp5JcdiA0mKNnyeqUYMzfnOimr+j28L+SJMrD4E7CXPHd 8wbYlCv8geENCd3AJqwHJkk+/GoC+yt0v/mTJkPNU6NjWPn3R5HOE+2yFXp99s0Ys65P GWcwUyfkog6IlBxE07vO8o4hZL2FsuhmEennra+YiTMelaRJtJq6bC61PpeDFqJnsfkm EhI4q7f6ITcFoaT//r4kE+zeiid5pwmOQTbLeIXRPwU3hFz7j/9/4QcC9a2gvJEwhn5W pWEnDTKAz/zBi6WFkTxixps+HQN5tsmUgR29qqt/zzPntHnl8K5/EellZYUrNY9uzGkS P02A== d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1691950877; x=1692555677; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=ZLuD+0c/flFuolGgu5RhQo1Diujxz1cPCiZrkTxJCHo=; b=DO0qN6g0+sjU5tMI90X1ZhyVuZGvwmUpSkWIjLzY6CoBQBzAQUcXMQ8B/niiyIfqWq sQJr/Z5YP1oI+BzaAm9cc7YdDlICRmWyo45qtjvvCZFAcsrRZelJI/ygqCtmGn+G3ZQf mz8Q52lK9Mdtn+zQlcZP7zTYuKCXt7H710AFLD3B5vEC8lrHUapmbU8x/DcPo1JM6ea+ ZbWfnA5ZV9Nuld9bRNBzh5u5iFWUnteQos1kVLRypqjsf0cd4nGBLUHDRHJfdYz1ZmSi LNHaWKVw6ZmRzTCWXIUxReGlfnV913Y18nXJCWzxWDVvFtcn3/dRm3VgfiNpz6sDDLgy dbzw== kI8c9ReCvGgX1UZPW6D32uGPBwwymdOq/1ifGYnv3AM1kIg= u27-20020a4a6c5b000000b0056ca34c6f7amr4083871oof.8.1691950876736; Sun, 13 Aug 2023 11:21:16 -0700 (PDT) References: From: Philip Ethier Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2023 13:21:05 -0500 To: Shop-Talk , Philip Ethier Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Elevator for home? Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============7610889549634133028== --000000000000fc41670602d202f9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have no idea what commercial unit would cost. I have sent a request to Easy Climber for an elevator to be put in a "spare room" to go down to the basement. Other than the floor space, the only thing I would lose is a cold-air-return that I don't think is all that useful anyway. I have seen some folks build their own stuff on youtube. If I was to build my own, I'd do it in a closet to serve the basement, 1st floor, and attic. Getting resistance from the mobility-limited person. On Tue, Aug 8, 2023 at 2:19=E2=80=AFPM Philip Ethier w= rote: > Anyone dealt with putting an elevator or a stairlift in a house? > > Trustworthy brands? > > Brands to avoid? > > -- > Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA > --=20 Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, White 2017 Ford Fusion SE 2.0 Turbo, Oxford White http://www.mnautox.com --000000000000fc41670602d202f9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have no idea what commercial unit wo= uld cost.

I have sent a request to Easy Climber fo= r an elevator to be put in a "spare room" to go down to the basem= ent.=C2=A0 Other than the floor space, the only thing I would lose is a col= d-air-return that I don't think is all that useful anyway.
I have seen some folks build their own stuff on youtube.=C2=A0= If I was to build my own, I'd do it in a closet to=C2=A0serve the base= ment, 1st floor, and attic.=C2=A0 Getting resistance=C2=A0from the mobility= -limited person.

On Tue, Aug 8, 2023 at 2:19=E2=80=AFPM Philip Ethier = <pethier7@gmail.com> wrote:=
Anyone dealt with putting an elevator or a stairlift in a house?

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Trustworthy brands?

Brands to avoid?

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--000000000000fc41670602d202f9-- --===============7610889549634133028== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============7610889549634133028==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Sun Aug 13 18:18:11 2023 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1531A0B86 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2023 18:18:11 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from chumdrop.sackheads.org (unknown [159.203.76.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B86F0A09C0 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2023 16:59:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chumdrop.sackheads.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F7AA2411C3 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2023 18:59:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chumdrop.sackheads.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (chumdrop.sackheads.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Rn67a5udsYJg for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2023 18:59:40 -0400 (EDT) s=2022-US; t=1691967580; bh=0hVgknNkCyqWohoNh7cbDF7uWpb5XWnPhp6vcpzfDxo=; h=Date:Subject:To:References:From:In-Reply-To:From; b=irHf91GhyyMjHq+SaWQWVrngE9OZmRqfLeKiEA/qtfDWIjKs6c9ObbT5DjfGSar5b 07xsUu1h4zvcH4I+6WCCudXxIHhphJ8bR3A/hHhornfCNa2ubRxxcvd4JT8Z0b6ayN Z7sfH7Hdx1R2orS/CD+I0IQ7mdp5AlZzx75mOqVpTspC6ScR4prucEvWP6dxUOUjcS bfptJ7d7DSX9P4UR2uCREvudYQVCq6OBsr+VjfbzW1wJ+pks79cQZLdNK8Vtw5tMGW TkXaYwUcUWLBqgOghiF03ECdc3h5ZUZAo2QqUI9wuH2KwlIVuJs3tcVLgA7+dCJWUm Hmu5ZN4fzClpw== Received: from [10.0.1.32] (unknown [24.209.25.219]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jimmie@sackheads.org) by chumdrop.sackheads.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 51D29241198 for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2023 18:59:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2023 18:59:39 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Content-Language: en-US To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: From: Jimmie Mayfield Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Elevator for home? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Another option might be to troll realtor.com for houses for sale in your area and make note of any that have stair lifts. I've seen a handful come across my area in the last 3-4 months. A lot of buyers may be uninterested in a lift (face it, they take up space on the stairway) so they may be willing to part with it for cheap versus them having to disassemble and dispose. You could ask the seller's real estate agent to put you in contact with the eventual buyer so that you can make an offer to buy and remove the lift from the premises. I would naively imagine that it wouldn't be terribly difficult to adapt a lift from one house to another. J On 8/8/23 15:19, Philip Ethier wrote: > Anyone dealt with putting an elevator or a stairlift in a house? > > Trustworthy brands? > > Brands to avoid? > > -- > Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mayfield+shoptalk@sackheads.org > _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Mon Aug 14 06:05:39 2023 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39928A0664 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2023 06:05:39 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-oo1-f43.google.com (unknown [209.85.161.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B93DA04A0 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2023 06:00:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-oo1-f43.google.com with SMTP id 006d021491bc7-56d0f4180bbso3209434eaf.1 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2023 05:00:13 -0700 (PDT) d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1692014412; x=1692619212; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=ggY+dvTAIEOKoyAKdauKNGNW/GCVrb9F0ztAkGZtcws=; b=j7LBCjoB6bikjCLfm8hiG/e+knSNQHenCVvDMUCfpwpHBWtG4KpMTqrMyHWW2CMbp6 oR1B31sP87bHo4bBicj9ay4hR42cwBcf/vUKyPqvgLABlI3jnXUSdlwE0FfUqwvsJvqg v0cvinsQIJzH/72LSvrzvxwtPmEFF6k3PfQhd6Rp8ln1SKlsFkNlrS2y2jaeZy4c0EN7 TL9DJCdlIKyogyk9XKQJvWKQy3UvB83PdEvUw0frrl7zFpk+FyO0D0mYf3uTn+eh/9QA WxTghUrpQRhccwpchMMm+erzXz36Vzj72K+3WVIFnCLeKPXmCRu3jZBSx0EUMGSroPCz swxg== d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1692014412; x=1692619212; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=ggY+dvTAIEOKoyAKdauKNGNW/GCVrb9F0ztAkGZtcws=; b=kJeAxJtCMjTTPccI6amy4x4/1IAbV0GdwwdyktYbGYYuh6uLPKyzJ4jUpKQvXZj2ZV eaUXUxWs5NunpM40IqdUU9LxAYW/2zAlgjWCl7Q2CagEcTCMAnXZpZcP5wXm/d7zoeX5 uo1NwFmaJ7X8OmWcXOQdAAAxXJ+XLDRBvKulrkWGACuZEXO88LvV6WrEuwJfRRI1vrfH D/wNtWq6PmDvmKCo+MJX2y926FguCb6xjDY1q/y33XPlcfl9Od1mllw3DnSGep8u5qOg DrGCBIKZ5CirMSj7Pe66Rg63W2u0vpCp3hb79YBVHVmHf21btKRkoAvJA8LuB6OQ5IuA RIKg== 6jrLpfcgJgN/NtC0phOKOWF5D917ZNATpQtjmuY= i14-20020a056871028e00b001bbe381e1f1mr10869225oae.9.1692014412453; Mon, 14 Aug 2023 05:00:12 -0700 (PDT) References: From: Bruce Bubeck Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2023 08:00:00 -0400 To: Philip Ethier Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Elevator for home? Cc: Shop-Talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============5719344768658253117== --00000000000002624e0602e0ce37 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Phil, Before I retired, Inclinator in Harrisburg PA was one of my customers. Their home elevators had a good reputation for quality and they had installation dealers around the country. You should be able to get a phone estimate from one of them. There's a lot of home elevator info on their website. https://inclinator.com/ On Sun, Aug 13, 2023 at 5:28=E2=80=AFPM Philip Ethier = wrote: > > I have no idea what commercial unit would cost. > > I have sent a request to Easy Climber for an elevator to be put in a > "spare room" to go down to the basement. Other than the floor space, the > only thing I would lose is a cold-air-return that I don't think is all th= at > useful anyway. > > I have seen some folks build their own stuff on youtube. If I was to > build my own, I'd do it in a closet to serve the basement, 1st floor, and > attic. Getting resistance from the mobility-limited person. > > On Tue, Aug 8, 2023 at 2:19=E2=80=AFPM Philip Ethier = wrote: > >> Anyone dealt with putting an elevator or a stairlift in a house? >> >> Trustworthy brands? >> >> Brands to avoid? >> >> -- >> Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA >> > > > -- > Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA > 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue > 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red > 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl > 2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, White > 2017 Ford Fusion SE 2.0 Turbo, Oxford White > http://www.mnautox.com > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/bbubeck01@gmail.com > > --00000000000002624e0602e0ce37 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Phil,
Before I retired, Inclinator in Harrisburg PA wa= s one of my customers. Their home elevators had a good reputation for quali= ty and they had installation=C2=A0dealers around the country. You should be= able to get a phone estimate from one of them. There's a lot of home e= levator info on their website.


On Sun, Aug 13, 2023= at 5:28=E2=80=AFPM Philip Ethier <pethier7@gmail.com> wrote:

I have no idea what= commercial unit would cost.

I have sent a request= to Easy Climber for an elevator to be put in a "spare room" to g= o down to the basement.=C2=A0 Other than the floor space, the only thing I = would lose is a cold-air-return that I don't think is all that useful a= nyway.

I have seen some folks build their own stuf= f on youtube.=C2=A0 If I was to build my own, I'd do it in a closet to= =C2=A0serve the basement, 1st floor, and attic.=C2=A0 Getting resistance=C2= =A0from the mobility-limited person.

On Tue, Aug 8, 2023 at 2:19=E2=80= =AFPM Philip Ethier <pethier7@gmail.com> wrote:
Anyone dealt with putting an elevat= or or a stairlift in a house?

Trustworthy brands?
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Brands to avoid?

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--00000000000002624e0602e0ce37-- --===============5719344768658253117== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============5719344768658253117==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 03:22:18 2023 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E296DA04EA for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2023 03:22:18 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from Deep13.mail.Megageek.com (unknown [34.199.103.79]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 230C0A01D7 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2023 03:14:55 -0600 (MDT) To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net type=4; name=$KeepSent From: eric@megageek.com Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 05:14:54 -0400 08/17/2023 05:15:00 AM, Serialize complete at 08/17/2023 05:15:00 AM Subject: [Shop-talk] Dewalt 12v power supply Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============1446235286446681638== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0032CDAE85258A0E_= OK, I guess I'm missing something here. I am looking for a small device that I can plug a dewalt 20v battery into that converts it to 12vDC in a standard cigarette lighter plug. Does anything like this exist? It seems that it would make sense since there are a nearly limitless supply of devices that work on a 12V plug, and the dewalt batteries are dense and powerful. Anyone know where I can find such a beast? I'm been searching but haven't found anything yet. Thanks all. Moose --=_alternative 0032CDAE85258A0E_= OK, I guess I'm missing something here.  I am looking for a small device that I can plug a dewalt 20v battery into that converts it to 12vDC in a standard cigarette lighter plug.

Does anything like this exist?  It seems that it would make sense since there are a nearly limitless supply of devices that work on a 12V plug, and the dewalt batteries are dense and powerful.

Anyone know where I can find such a beast?  I'm been searching but haven't found anything yet.

Thanks all.

Moose --=_alternative 0032CDAE85258A0E_=-- --===============1446235286446681638== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============1446235286446681638==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 08:36:12 2023 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81629A0505 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2023 08:36:12 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qs51p00im-qukt01072102.me.com (unknown [17.57.155.11]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 499FEA0425 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2023 06:26:19 -0600 (MDT) s=1a1hai; t=1692275178; bh=mgAkAoXndoRh1Yo0MeCRAlBvplmn+Jd17r039X6h5gI=; h=Content-Type:From:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To; b=HskMHyX8DbLt/nxWXXfd0N5NDGgAwMuvJjhv0esqdGVabykXerU+9FIo98Rbn8DXL 1M1aU2TAps3HRuuleX3lxhIMByNgugS4GAOlz1Hxsqo9uedRc+Vji909XQWZrEuJVu N6eC0V7rqHicvcK7YtcfYmIWsqhvwS7FUhlUJEvFDX0svJnjfVlga4hvTydOPRFGTb zDWJis1BQ0F3hQmmKTHD5M+P+Pv1HUeb2dEw0ybvNHRF6xSlnfvDritfM0j3ARnN9r n/FGu7yqNyk1LDHe1JIe1t2Ad1cq7TclI+0NdUAIo1Z/bmBveqH6l5csMK2ZBfqCSP AEgQ7+Qgl9jJg== Received: from smtpclient.apple (qs51p00im-dlb-asmtp-mailmevip.me.com [17.57.155.28]) by qs51p00im-qukt01072102.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9F8B83406B4; Thu, 17 Aug 2023 12:26:17 +0000 (UTC) From: Pat Horne Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 07:26:05 -0500 References: To: eric@megageek.com =?UTF-8?Q?2903e8d5c8f:6.0.138,18.0.790,17.11.62.513.0000000_definitions?= =?UTF-8?Q?=3D2022-01-12=5F02:2020-02-14=5F02,2022-01-12=5F02,2021-12-02?= =?UTF-8?Q?=5F01_signatures=3D0?= mlxscore=0 clxscore=1015 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 suspectscore=0 spamscore=0 malwarescore=0 mlxlogscore=922 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2212070000 definitions=main-2308170113 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dewalt 12v power supply Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============8189176208897364222== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-460A9BF4-634F-4075-B0BD-E81941B25907 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Eric, they should make that but I=E2=80=99ve never found one. Closest thing i= s a 12V to 220AC converter, then plug the normal chai into that.=20 Peace, Pat Pat Horne=20 We support Habitat for Humanity On Aug 17, 2023, at 4:47 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote: =EF=BB=BFOK, I guess I'm missing something here. I am looking for a small d= evice that I can plug a dewalt 20v battery into that converts it to 12vDC in= a standard cigarette lighter plug.=20 Does anything like this exist? It seems that it would make sense since ther= e are a nearly limitless supply of devices that work on a 12V plug, and the d= ewalt batteries are dense and powerful.=20 Anyone know where I can find such a beast? I'm been searching but haven't f= ound anything yet.=20 Thanks all.=20 Moose_______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archi= ve as@icloud.com --Apple-Mail-460A9BF4-634F-4075-B0BD-E81941B25907 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Eric, they should make that but I=E2=80=99v= e never found one. Closest thing is a 12V to 220AC converter, then plug the n= ormal chai into that. 

Peace, Pat


=
Pat Horne 
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Aug 17, 2023, at 4:47 AM, eric@me= gageek.com wrote:

=EF=BB=BFOK, I guess I'm missing something here.  I am looking for a small device that I can plug a dewalt 20v battery into that converts it to 12vDC in a standard cigarette lighter plug.

Does anything like this exist? &nbs= p;It seems that it would make sense since there are a nearly limitless supply of devices that work on a 12V plug, and the dewalt batteries are dense and powerful.

Anyone know where I can find such a= beast?  I'm been searching but haven't found anything yet.

Thanks all.

Moose_________________= ______________________________

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= --Apple-Mail-460A9BF4-634F-4075-B0BD-E81941B25907-- --===============8189176208897364222== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============8189176208897364222==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 09:43:37 2023 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAD08A04AB for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2023 09:43:37 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mout.perfora.net (unknown [74.208.4.194]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DEA2A0396 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2023 07:27:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.220] ([73.198.69.166]) by mrelay.perfora.net (mreueus003 [74.208.5.2]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MZSCx-1qC5Ti05sb-00LBeU; Thu, 17 Aug 2023 15:27:39 +0200 From: "Hoerning, Timothy" Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 09:27:37 -0400 To: eric@megageek.com References: ztkDRxsnNhZBfQiGyL0iz39H6FHD8CJOD70cQchID7PP3HDAuRHI8Vkxst18eWtSsQBP2kV uyvqDw81cNr5B5EIDQ4pWZCOUnidGqxrblujujuUuKeFkiU/R9SY2zVGGa0rr4oVlkwwMT6 1bV6kQpwcOhpJtcm7UviA== UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:aq3+zZJeCkE=;ZvEJNLPq6gx6zWn34/1wvJL50Fo D9qBwwc47bsS8FzJPUDj4Sd0k9MQrTtVNz/mek5aGkMV4fkxvO0C5NYmqOWGOqGa3ujS9ql6k G7C8nVV6y42aVVu8BkH8KORroEzsXMQi3gLsmbQzuqOpejM8jvA+lSYJkyTwAvzb4x++gzWGL 5NL4vsD4hrbnOmVmA8I91StRcKpa4YW2Zo0QdHbCYOCSd+7tt8xTmT0wysKPQSBcwpizIm34s W9DSs9H7Gx5dlUxI+m3MxLn4WH0JX0JedITS9M1OAmwFb8S8LJ5inWCYzfs2QZWMyXC0cpK9q M2lttuqUexqtdZ9MvL1pW7+OloAwtNAKv3zrqWeX7PP2PQxfpOYkPF65ylTzyu5NHMGO2Xzip S7mkh+RQB2w5UZ6iHi5QaCDvDZmJpfSd+QJLr0P/DMmMS3rmBGJuiBs7hbGIo4DbYeUROqEGs GWnUYKsWuu2+Pr0xtnCyh9PCDeQvM4DfGLuf38BA+GbePH+VvBcQJbjBCf5ltSliSv/QtGdEL zBxIqBXldYO8ISe53HccqylYDv9F7y0snp5YVhCvkNSAsPn4g0PtoNP/lBYhmSSPklnC+qJD7 8w+HzrJoYAII4tEK7yF7VDtbk8yfSKVRWhpbLGyIfCISY/uboT+s3A5WsRIIBDpePhd/NuGmg eTJIOGBbsRMMvgXoE0YMj7pwC7smhM1lNNGLIiliniJzewkZgFj/nFYC8SiNOX/6I4cl00//N MJEX3WBsaLBNJJCaCbij2JNzrfHWAMjg5N/fFngt/7OtLOnopbBAVMH3NiXJjgRstezzkocsZ mgc5ogdDj8RHNwdqtkG6L1XiVn6d71OHG6wl3qHMdLqqvdJkbHavnE6xHnqIEtPnBNMXlDj0c nmf/LqY80RN0OJ2hHRAiCY2L7FXV3h6Zokew= Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dewalt 12v power supply Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0779477531681602013== boundary="Apple-Mail=_7F52042E-2C5C-43B2-99FE-01AAFDBB5530" --Apple-Mail=_7F52042E-2C5C-43B2-99FE-01AAFDBB5530 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8 I think this will do what you need. It=E2=80=99s kinda big and bulky, = but I would figure that=E2=80=99s so the 20V-12V converter can be heat = sinked. It says it=E2=80=99s a buck inverter, so it should be = efficient. You would need to wire up the cigarette lighter jack.=20 = https://www.amazon.com/Mellif-Converter-Inverter-Automatic-Regulator/dp/B0= BSF7ZNFD/ref=3Dasc_df_B0BSF7ZNFD/?tag=3Dhyprod-20&linkCode=3Ddf0&hvadid=3D= 642117690907&hvpos=3D&hvnetw=3Dg&hvrand=3D10366644432674980994&hvpone=3D&h= vptwo=3D&hvqmt=3D&hvdev=3Dc&hvdvcmdl=3D&hvlocint=3D&hvlocphy=3D9003726&hvt= argid=3Dpla-1946352471790&psc=3D1&gclid=3DCjwKCAjwivemBhBhEiwAJxNWN-MDGdQt= M8bAYFhC2S4TlmTe-e7-I-zv0tK4Cqji_0_46NjA1Y6DLBoCuaIQAvD_BwE = This one is more compact, but looks like a home-made 3d-printed design. =20= = https://www.ebay.com/itm/314609361336?chn=3Dps&_trkparms=3Dispr%3D1&amdata= =3Denc%3A1XozcKLheQHKixMRh95wjGA87&norover=3D1&mkevt=3D1&mkrid=3D711-11718= 2-37290-0&mkcid=3D2&mkscid=3D101&itemid=3D314609361336&targetid=3D15839044= 86842&device=3Dc&mktype=3Dpla&googleloc=3D9003726&poi=3D&campaignid=3D1989= 4961968&mkgroupid=3D148855406073&rlsatarget=3Daud-1412318123216:pla-158390= 4486842&abcId=3D9307911&merchantid=3D6296724&gclid=3DCjwKCAjwivemBhBhEiwAJ= xNWNyuG55MyzQY81XkMzAQzr8m68ChNHSKyWBs-0T6E59q4fH-GJe3UXhoC-RQQAvD_BwE = You could also get something like this and pick the regulator you want. = https://www.amazon.com/Adapter-terminals%EF%BC%8CWork-Battery%EF%BC%9BPowe= r-Connector-Robotics/dp/B09GW6TC43/ref=3Dasc_df_B09GW6TC43/?tag=3Dhyprod-2= 0&linkCode=3Ddf0&hvadid=3D532907556229&hvpos=3D&hvnetw=3Dg&hvrand=3D732201= 7601500041529&hvpone=3D&hvptwo=3D&hvqmt=3D&hvdev=3Dc&hvdvcmdl=3D&hvlocint=3D= &hvlocphy=3D9003726&hvtargid=3Dpla-1529906407877&psc=3D1 = LMK if you want to talk about it. Tim > On Aug 17, 2023, at 5:14 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote: >=20 > OK, I guess I'm missing something here. I am looking for a small = device that I can plug a dewalt 20v battery into that converts it to = 12vDC in a standard cigarette lighter plug.=20 >=20 > Does anything like this exist? It seems that it would make sense = since there are a nearly limitless supply of devices that work on a 12V = plug, and the dewalt batteries are dense and powerful.=20 >=20 > Anyone know where I can find such a beast? I'm been searching but = haven't found anything yet.=20 >=20 > Thanks all.=20 >=20 > Moose_______________________________________________ >=20 > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk = http://autox.team.net/archive >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: = http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/tim@chenhoerning.com >=20 --Apple-Mail=_7F52042E-2C5C-43B2-99FE-01AAFDBB5530 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=utf-8
I think this will do what you need.   It=E2=80=99s kinda = big and bulky, but I would figure that=E2=80=99s so the 20V-12V = converter can be heat sinked.   It says it=E2=80=99s a buck = inverter, so it should be efficient.  You would need to wire up the = cigarette lighter jack. 

https://www.amazon.com/Mellif-Converter-Inverter-Automatic-Regu= lator/dp/B0BSF7ZNFD/ref=3Dasc_df_B0BSF7ZNFD/?tag=3Dhyprod-20&linkCode=3D= df0&hvadid=3D642117690907&hvpos=3D&hvnetw=3Dg&hvrand=3D103= 66644432674980994&hvpone=3D&hvptwo=3D&hvqmt=3D&hvdev=3Dc&a= mp;hvdvcmdl=3D&hvlocint=3D&hvlocphy=3D9003726&hvtargid=3Dpla-1= 946352471790&psc=3D1&gclid=3DCjwKCAjwivemBhBhEiwAJxNWN-MDGdQtM8bAY= FhC2S4TlmTe-e7-I-zv0tK4Cqji_0_46NjA1Y6DLBoCuaIQAvD_BwE


This one is more compact, but looks like a home-made = 3d-printed design.  

https://www.ebay.com/itm/314609361336?chn=3Dps&_trkparms=3D= ispr%3D1&amdata=3Denc%3A1XozcKLheQHKixMRh95wjGA87&norover=3D1&= mkevt=3D1&mkrid=3D711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=3D2&mkscid=3D101&am= p;itemid=3D314609361336&targetid=3D1583904486842&device=3Dc&mk= type=3Dpla&googleloc=3D9003726&poi=3D&campaignid=3D19894961968= &mkgroupid=3D148855406073&rlsatarget=3Daud-1412318123216:pla-15839= 04486842&abcId=3D9307911&merchantid=3D6296724&gclid=3DCjwKCAjw= ivemBhBhEiwAJxNWNyuG55MyzQY81XkMzAQzr8m68ChNHSKyWBs-0T6E59q4fH-GJe3UXhoC-R= QQAvD_BwE

You could also get something like this and pick the regulator = you want.

https://www.amazon.com/Adapter-terminals%EF%BC%8CWork-Battery%E= F%BC%9BPower-Connector-Robotics/dp/B09GW6TC43/ref=3Dasc_df_B09GW6TC43/?tag= =3Dhyprod-20&linkCode=3Ddf0&hvadid=3D532907556229&hvpos=3D&= ;hvnetw=3Dg&hvrand=3D7322017601500041529&hvpone=3D&hvptwo=3D&a= mp;hvqmt=3D&hvdev=3Dc&hvdvcmdl=3D&hvlocint=3D&hvlocphy=3D9= 003726&hvtargid=3Dpla-1529906407877&psc=3D1

LMK if you want to talk about = it.

Tim


On Aug 17, 2023, at 5:14 AM, eric@megageek.com = wrote:

OK, I guess I'm missing = something here.  I am looking for a small device that I can plug a dewalt 20v = battery into that converts it to 12vDC in a standard cigarette lighter = plug.

Does = anything like this exist?  It seems that it would make sense since there are a nearly limitless supply of devices that work on a 12V plug, and the dewalt batteries are dense and powerful.

Anyone = know where I can find such a beast?  I'm been searching but haven't found anything yet.

Thanks all.

Moose_______________________________________________

Shop-talk@autox.team.net
Donate: =  $12.96
Archive: = http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive

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= --Apple-Mail=_7F52042E-2C5C-43B2-99FE-01AAFDBB5530-- --===============0779477531681602013== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============0779477531681602013==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 10:16:09 2023 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D70DA02C1 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2023 10:16:09 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-yw1-f172.google.com (unknown [209.85.128.172]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22AD8A0501 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2023 08:28:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-yw1-f172.google.com with SMTP id 00721157ae682-589e4179fc7so53106787b3.2 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2023 07:28:40 -0700 (PDT) d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1692282519; x=1692887319; h=to:in-reply-to:cc:references:message-id:date:subject:mime-version :from:content-transfer-encoding:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=togVaaHbACx+Q4OzQs0f9gJnLIrcHHMM/CW9W+y+2DI=; b=XpES5i/qj0hzn8mj1bRFmnNNDNhpIfq4+AK+yonoLEmNWNKpeL3oRhEJjz+iWy9jRr kRggLGkEpyaATPM/BXArfVladfk8bta0Fk4fOnFVd7aV+1TpJSsJIC2CTOG9loTHMHsn mas4CLkFcEkXiGxEMDU7WLdTsTJgy32AQCKqyqu+iSqYqctMp8vkURLc6sm7I32UhyWG GODVR4hgiJ4Sq6z+pOY9ws2jg/3tXQJgz3M3XtjvnrOJH54PDA4MtmRYVIvuVj7If9zX djKm3ynTJrlxxPERjUjqk1B3Pa1CBv5XyHmX2FpY0wLsa+4k+8bXZ+XPhzbeKwsmZQHd GxOQ== d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1692282519; x=1692887319; h=to:in-reply-to:cc:references:message-id:date:subject:mime-version :from:content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=togVaaHbACx+Q4OzQs0f9gJnLIrcHHMM/CW9W+y+2DI=; b=Di9etYW7E7AQ8m/s+1qbpQ7XOjiTtIk5zn7zhR/Jd5gfUCfj27y1h3TXMvt/dE4svg X23dG8nw8DCHXNBVZRUATN7Jwz1hog1l3RH2dxpmIdwUkiTjDkD+r8LsA8keiqScuw0e Zb6DoQxmOskLpBDlK8KboukeRT1yL9tRuORhG2QUqRHE2FS3426G86XWQs5ieq48gxJ7 +UvUFzNrY+ieUr82bUbITi5ecO+7TWKkBYKPZcZdVTy46PicWSGC58U6jCxH62OF1fur dJ/47/kZ5WaST03+ai4tFrTBY4W2/PAylrVJIjqPHAsjNMOs0HLMripUwCoKx9SXSCFJ 3sNA== C4H2mlfZj9eFv20d0Rzd9q5He/TnAg== x5-20020a0dd505000000b00589f4ec4d51mr4945680ywd.3.1692282519514; Thu, 17 Aug 2023 07:28:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpclient.apple ([98.97.8.106]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s4-20020a0dd004000000b005794a9576f0sm4623895ywd.9.2023.08.17.07.28.38 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 17 Aug 2023 07:28:38 -0700 (PDT) From: David Scheidt Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 09:28:27 -0500 References: To: eric@megageek.com Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dewalt 12v power supply Cc: shop-talk@autox.team.net Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============4051511026791001717== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-1E24E2F0-569A-4FE4-A3A7-6E0B930A4511 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > On Aug 17, 2023, at 04:39, eric@megageek.com wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BFOK, I guess I'm missing something here. I am looking for a small= device that I can plug a dewalt 20v battery into that converts it to 12vDC i= n a standard cigarette lighter plug.=20 >=20 > Does anything like this exist? It seems that it would make sense since th= ere are a nearly limitless supply of devices that work on a 12V plug, and th= e dewalt batteries are dense and powerful.=20 >=20 > Anyone know where I can find such a beast? I'm been searching but haven't= found anything yet.=20 Dewalt don=E2=80=99t sell one, but eBay has lots of third party options.=20 Dewalt do make one that provides a couple of usb ports, which probably fills= the needs of most people. They also sell a car powered charger that plugs i= nto a cigarette lighter.=20 >=20 > Thanks all.=20 >=20 > Moose_______________________________________________ >=20 > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/arc= hive >=20 > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dmsche= idt@gmail.com >=20 --Apple-Mail-1E24E2F0-569A-4FE4-A3A7-6E0B930A4511 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Aug 17, 2023, at 04= :39, eric@megageek.com wrote:

=EF=BB=BFOK, I g= uess I'm missing something here.  I am looking for a small device that I can plug a dewalt 20v battery into that converts it to 12vDC in a standard cigarette lighter plug.

Does anything like this exist? &nbs= p;It seems that it would make sense since there are a nearly limitless supply of devices that work on a 12V plug, and the dewalt batteries are dense and powerful.

Anyone know where I can find such a= beast?  I'm been searching but haven't found anything yet.

Dewalt don=E2=80=99t sell one, bu= t eBay has lots of third party options. 

Dewal= t do make one that provides a couple of usb ports, which probably fills the n= eeds of most people. They also sell a car powered charger that plugs into a c= igarette lighter. 

=
Thanks all.

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= --Apple-Mail-1E24E2F0-569A-4FE4-A3A7-6E0B930A4511-- --===============4051511026791001717== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============4051511026791001717==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 10:33:30 2023 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 667B0A04F2 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2023 10:33:30 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from resdmta-a1p-077303.sys.comcast.net (unknown [96.103.146.61]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75C51A0402 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2023 08:51:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from resomta-a1p-077252.sys.comcast.net ([96.103.145.241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 256/256 bits) (Client did not present a certificate) by resdmta-a1p-077303.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id WcNNqK5MKoT90WeKyqN1UV; Thu, 17 Aug 2023 14:51:00 +0000 s=20190202a; t=1692283860; bh=HgbQ7ojNZHPMQT6lGcBYrfYcaF1cng975ISHQiUWAHk=; h=Received:Received:Content-Type:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version: Subject:To:From:Xfinity-Spam-Result; b=EzNhum8cuuKQA9EcgjPmZeejGscwPFVa+uJVVnB6jO4Qk0R0WY6yV9I3IyeyHhFvP V7e2SGPTjp9ca2IECeIEjyCH00XZsT7S6noXURc+dKiXfelTV3crcpsEjpYE1GcQka sghyhbhCI/btzofEqjjWAEz4GtxHjINSeXmeP/LvQeQl5o4KWLk7jMx+5+EKBDXOf9 RmrAClu1ye2Hy++6ibbXU81TSJ4YeEaX5HVQFsyFF0PP8kKyYNt0mUO/JYEM+Topwy 2jE/VbZYPlvbyc1TRsLUh1V92+EyeNZrcwmk/Yn6vaFyM/4DP8zyaEcrmXFzRDSjhJ gAKo6tOtwf4Xw== Received: from [192.168.1.119] ([104.153.206.37]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 256/256 bits) (Client did not present a certificate) by resomta-a1p-077252.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPA id WeKUqb7XoEEk5WeKVq8n83; Thu, 17 Aug 2023 14:50:36 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 07:50:31 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.14.0 Content-Language: en-US To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: From: Bob Spidell Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dewalt 12v power supply Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1079327022384012731== boundary="------------POEFz82rcGrqK6HxLiTXMmQc" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------POEFz82rcGrqK6HxLiTXMmQc Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit To my surprise, converters are available. Here's one: https://www.amazon.com/Mellif-Converter-Inverter-Automatic-Regulator/dp/B0BSF7ZNFD/ref=asc_df_B0BSF7ZNFD/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=642117690907&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=1530289085161243109&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9032278&hvtargid=pla-1946352471790&psc=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwivemBhBhEiwAJxNWN-o4Xwq2bJ0ciHJyeh3c3sIg2zEWrlYmvpabt1sYKKxicK-gtxZ_KBoCQY8QAvD_BwE You'll have to rig the cigarette plug yourself. On 8/17/2023 2:14 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote: > OK, I guess I'm missing something here.  I am looking for a small > device that I can plug a dewalt 20v battery into that converts it to > 12vDC in a standard cigarette lighter plug. > > Does anything like this exist?  It seems that it would make sense > since there are a nearly limitless supply of devices that work on a > 12V plug, and the dewalt batteries are dense and powerful. > > Anyone know where I can find such a beast?  I'm been searching but > haven't found anything yet. > > Thanks all. --------------POEFz82rcGrqK6HxLiTXMmQc Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit To my surprise, converters are available. Here's one:

https://www.amazon.com/Mellif-Converter-Inverter-Automatic-Regulator/dp/B0BSF7ZNFD/ref=asc_df_B0BSF7ZNFD/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=642117690907&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=1530289085161243109&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9032278&hvtargid=pla-1946352471790&psc=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwivemBhBhEiwAJxNWN-o4Xwq2bJ0ciHJyeh3c3sIg2zEWrlYmvpabt1sYKKxicK-gtxZ_KBoCQY8QAvD_BwE

You'll have to rig the cigarette plug yourself.


On 8/17/2023 2:14 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote:
OK, I guess I'm missing something here.  I am looking for a small device that I can plug a dewalt 20v battery into that converts it to 12vDC in a standard cigarette lighter plug.

Does anything like this exist?  It seems that it would make sense since there are a nearly limitless supply of devices that work on a 12V plug, and the dewalt batteries are dense and powerful.

Anyone know where I can find such a beast?  I'm been searching but haven't found anything yet.

Thanks all.

--------------POEFz82rcGrqK6HxLiTXMmQc-- --===============1079327022384012731== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============1079327022384012731==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 11:02:57 2023 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 837CAA0497 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2023 11:02:57 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from chumdrop.sackheads.org (unknown [159.203.76.21]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B09AA0447 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2023 08:58:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chumdrop.sackheads.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E929F2417DD for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2023 10:58:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chumdrop.sackheads.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (chumdrop.sackheads.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Y7XrEkMv3H0a for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2023 10:58:34 -0400 (EDT) s=2022-US; t=1692284314; bh=UHKgM5a9Nhg5EOzDB6/SOYl1XxT0HGU+06Ro7pSJDMw=; h=Date:Subject:To:References:From:In-Reply-To:From; b=omegIaaM6YqZIu2tj6uDizlLvFKHS5D9w4XCIpzyOJwi8zQxEvn6vMbNrCZ/loioy w/4voOB2VpojLmMjOqIExZnKO29ES2NUnrCvCcdS68mLPyieZ0ah77R3m+xtW7go8R P7kaIbFibe6yJt25A8cwSEY/mhYRzH/OjOejaIhQFwyV4dyQBb81WtrWC4k3oQ7+Dd DSHyxbFxjaIZC9p+zqNbqAQTm7Gm22CJaSIYXdULiBmuPsa7Nc3z8XCMYxqsdnS/cl I6YOTKLHpoif1ppMS2qHyxKKBfek/G+DH0WauuUZBV/FcDFhll29HPvLYv6IljJPfE pE8DER+owNNJA== Received: from [10.0.1.4] (unknown [24.209.25.219]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jimmie@sackheads.org) by chumdrop.sackheads.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A4F482417CF for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2023 10:58:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 10:58:33 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: shop-talk@autox.team.net References: Content-Language: en-US From: Jimmie Mayfield Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dewalt 12v power supply Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============6999404747830190201== boundary="------------uW2RvyebYDZblaTAWpZrJ8Hf" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------uW2RvyebYDZblaTAWpZrJ8Hf Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit If you're willing to solder your own cigarette plug or socket, you can find DC-to-DC converters for Dewalt batteries.  This one looks like it'll do the trick: https://www.amazon.com/Inverter-Compatible-Batteries-Converter-Regulator/dp/B0BBSF7VS1 As a buck converter, it ought to be reasonably efficient (and indeed it claims 97% eff at half-load). Still, if you're going to drive this thing at 100+ watts, you might want to make sure it has adequate ventilation (or mount a small 12V fan). J On 8/17/23 08:26, Pat Horne wrote: > Eric, they should make that but I’ve never found one. Closest thing is > a 12V to 220AC converter, then plug the normal chai into that. > > Peace, Pat > > > Pat Horne > We support Habitat for Humanity > > > On Aug 17, 2023, at 4:47 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote: > > OK, I guess I'm missing something here.  I am looking for a small > device that I can plug a dewalt 20v battery into that converts it to > 12vDC in a standard cigarette lighter plug. > > Does anything like this exist?  It seems that it would make sense > since there are a nearly limitless supply of devices that work on a > 12V plug, and the dewalt batteries are dense and powerful. > > Anyone know where I can find such a beast?  I'm been searching but > haven't found anything yet. > > Thanks all. > > Moose_______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation  $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/patintexas@icloud.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/mayfield+shoptalk@sackheads.org > --------------uW2RvyebYDZblaTAWpZrJ8Hf Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
If you're willing to solder your own cigarette plug or socket, you can find DC-to-DC converters for Dewalt batteries.  This one looks like it'll do the trick:

https://www.amazon.com/Inverter-Compatible-Batteries-Converter-Regulator/dp/B0BBSF7VS1

As a buck converter, it ought to be reasonably efficient (and indeed it claims 97% eff at half-load).  Still, if you're going to drive this thing at 100+ watts, you might want to make sure it has adequate ventilation (or mount a small 12V fan).

J


On 8/17/23 08:26, Pat Horne wrote:
Eric, they should make that but I’ve never found one. Closest thing is a 12V to 220AC converter, then plug the normal chai into that. 

Peace, Pat


Pat Horne 
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On Aug 17, 2023, at 4:47 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote:

OK, I guess I'm missing something here.  I am looking for a small device that I can plug a dewalt 20v battery into that converts it to 12vDC in a standard cigarette lighter plug.

Does anything like this exist?  It seems that it would make sense since there are a nearly limitless supply of devices that work on a 12V plug, and the dewalt batteries are dense and powerful.

Anyone know where I can find such a beast?  I'm been searching but haven't found anything yet.

Thanks all.

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I think what you want is a = step-down buck converter aka DC-DC converter

 

- Google = search for 20v to 12v converter: https://tinyurl.com/ymjbccj4

- Digikey DC DC converter [36v, 20v = input / 12v 1amp output random example]: https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/cui-i= nc./VXO78012-1000/7350298?utm_adgroup=3D

- Amazon Buc Converter DC-DC Adjustable 3A Step Down = power supply [input 3.2-35v, output 1.25-30v]: https://www.amazon.com/ZYAMY-LM2596S-Converter-Adjustab= le-Regulator/dp/B07JYX4J4N

 

----------------

All the best,

 

Al = Fuller

 

From: Shop-talk = <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of = eric@megageek.com
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2023 2:15 = AM
To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net
Subject: [Shop-talk] = Dewalt 12v power supply

 

OK, I guess = I'm missing something here.  I am looking for a small device that I = can plug a dewalt 20v battery into that converts it to 12vDC in a = standard cigarette lighter plug.

Does anything = like this exist?  It seems that it would make sense since there are = a nearly limitless supply of devices that work on a 12V plug, and the = dewalt batteries are dense and powerful.

Anyone know = where I can find such a beast?  I'm been searching but haven't = found anything yet.

Thanks = all.

Moose

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Thomas" Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dewalt 12v power supply Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============8153159332114181431== boundary="------------VJPau1WZ0wgXtD50R0ghT0FL" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------VJPau1WZ0wgXtD50R0ghT0FL Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have the Mellif.  I use it to drive a telescope mount and dew heaters.  Works fine so far.  The voltage is a little high but steady. On 8/17/2023 9:27 AM, Hoerning, Timothy wrote: > I think this will do what you need.   It’s kinda big and bulky, but I > would figure that’s so the 20V-12V converter can be heat sinked.   It > says it’s a buck inverter, so it should be efficient.  You would need > to wire up the cigarette lighter jack. > > https://www.amazon.com/Mellif-Converter-Inverter-Automatic-Regulator/dp/B0BSF7ZNFD/ref=asc_df_B0BSF7ZNFD/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=642117690907&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=10366644432674980994&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9003726&hvtargid=pla-1946352471790&psc=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwivemBhBhEiwAJxNWN-MDGdQtM8bAYFhC2S4TlmTe-e7-I-zv0tK4Cqji_0_46NjA1Y6DLBoCuaIQAvD_BwE > > > > This one is more compact, but looks like a home-made 3d-printed design. > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/314609361336?chn=ps&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&amdata=enc%3A1XozcKLheQHKixMRh95wjGA87&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&mkscid=101&itemid=314609361336&targetid=1583904486842&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9003726&poi=&campaignid=19894961968&mkgroupid=148855406073&rlsatarget=aud-1412318123216:pla-1583904486842&abcId=9307911&merchantid=6296724&gclid=CjwKCAjwivemBhBhEiwAJxNWNyuG55MyzQY81XkMzAQzr8m68ChNHSKyWBs-0T6E59q4fH-GJe3UXhoC-RQQAvD_BwE > > > You could also get something like this and pick the regulator you want. > > https://www.amazon.com/Adapter-terminals%EF%BC%8CWork-Battery%EF%BC%9BPower-Connector-Robotics/dp/B09GW6TC43/ref=asc_df_B09GW6TC43/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=532907556229&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=7322017601500041529&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9003726&hvtargid=pla-1529906407877&psc=1 > > > LMK if you want to talk about it. > > Tim > > >> On Aug 17, 2023, at 5:14 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote: >> >> OK, I guess I'm missing something here.  I am looking for a small >> device that I can plug a dewalt 20v battery into that converts it to >> 12vDC in a standard cigarette lighter plug. >> >> Does anything like this exist?  It seems that it would make sense >> since there are a nearly limitless supply of devices that work on a >> 12V plug, and the dewalt batteries are dense and powerful. >> >> Anyone know where I can find such a beast?  I'm been searching but >> haven't found anything yet. >> >> Thanks all. >> >> Moose_______________________________________________ >> >> Shop-talk@autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation  $12.96 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/tim@chenhoerning.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/pj_thomas@comcast.net > --------------VJPau1WZ0wgXtD50R0ghT0FL Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I have the Mellif.  I use it to drive a telescope mount and dew heaters.  Works fine so far.  The voltage is a little high but steady.

On 8/17/2023 9:27 AM, Hoerning, Timothy wrote:
I think this will do what you need.   It’s kinda big and bulky, but I would figure that’s so the 20V-12V converter can be heat sinked.   It says it’s a buck inverter, so it should be efficient.  You would need to wire up the cigarette lighter jack. 



This one is more compact, but looks like a home-made 3d-printed design.  


You could also get something like this and pick the regulator you want.


LMK if you want to talk about it.

Tim


On Aug 17, 2023, at 5:14 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote:

OK, I guess I'm missing something here.  I am looking for a small device that I can plug a dewalt 20v battery into that converts it to 12vDC in a standard cigarette lighter plug.

Does anything like this exist?  It seems that it would make sense since there are a nearly limitless supply of devices that work on a 12V plug, and the dewalt batteries are dense and powerful.

Anyone know where I can find such a beast?  I'm been searching but haven't found anything yet.

Thanks all.

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--------------VJPau1WZ0wgXtD50R0ghT0FL-- --===============8153159332114181431== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============8153159332114181431==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 12:11:44 2023 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A974A045B for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2023 12:11:44 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from qs51p00im-qukt01071502.me.com (unknown [17.57.155.5]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68A36A04F8 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2023 10:03:33 -0600 (MDT) s=1a1hai; t=1692288212; bh=Tr2VnR6dALrYi1UJUzLea1RzK+yPIXTECw8/hGi2USI=; h=Content-Type:From:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To; b=k55lCY3BZF+84Wjnf27JSNmEwfRRkQM4rtWS3cad++O16Ci8TUPytOEjxHUCF3+Cu IVxCgH1AVPrmh9ASbC2xkW6mCHms7Kt9OlNkS5CinApuysGSOyKnN/XIq14sI6bEjN EjZ3z+epn12/64fa52k0XAnoA99hra4NO9q+bBRrZBL2ZJHreSQVXYJK+iaDhFqWJQ c4nZaAYs15r+URleRuHZp7Of+jwKRAFHC6ZPjuPVF3dJiDq8D1k7PML3kTkMAXZD7g OPDn4qoBjqgBSPhfCWyJd+FFeQyvSJBlKRUIxfgeUKvh83u2UMgeUq4rHpnA5PiOQr /RKKM6rgJ8omg== Received: from smtpclient.apple (qs51p00im-dlb-asmtp-mailmevip.me.com [17.57.155.28]) by qs51p00im-qukt01071502.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5C61C6680B59; Thu, 17 Aug 2023 16:03:31 +0000 (UTC) From: Pat Horne Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 11:03:15 -0500 References: <4E0D48B0-3728-48AB-BA16-9D2522C64B64@chenhoerning.com> To: "Hoerning, Timothy" =?UTF-8?Q?2903e8d5c8f:6.0.138,18.0.790,17.0.605.474.0000000_definitions?= =?UTF-8?Q?=3D2022-01-12=5F02:2020-02-14=5F02,2022-01-12=5F02,2020-01-23?= =?UTF-8?Q?=5F02_signatures=3D0?= phishscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 clxscore=1011 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2212070000 definitions=main-2308170143 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dewalt 12v power supply Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============2839911142787182443== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-3630AAC3-89B1-4185-8916-94D5C38B5EEC charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Interesting, the Amazon unit ad says 20V, &= amp; the battery is shaped as a 20V, but it says 18V on it!

Buck converters are usually used to get lower output voltages, boost regu= lators for higher. Don=E2=80=99t know anything about their design. 

Peace, Pat

Pat Horne&nb= sp;
We support Habitat for Humanity


On Aug 17, 2023, at 10:53 AM, Hoerning, Timothy <tim@chenhoerni= ng.com> wrote:

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I thin= k this will do what you need.   It=E2=80=99s kinda big and bulky, but I= would figure that=E2=80=99s so the 20V-12V converter can be heat sinked. &n= bsp; It says it=E2=80=99s a buck inverter, so it should be efficient.  = You would need to wire up the cigarette lighter jack. 

https://www.amazon.com/Mellif-Converter-Inverter-Automat= ic-Regulator/dp/B0BSF7ZNFD/ref=3Dasc_df_B0BSF7ZNFD/?tag=3Dhyprod-20&link= Code=3Ddf0&hvadid=3D642117690907&hvpos=3D&hvnetw=3Dg&hvrand=3D= 10366644432674980994&hvpone=3D&hvptwo=3D&hvqmt=3D&hvdev=3Dc&= amp;hvdvcmdl=3D&hvlocint=3D&hvlocphy=3D9003726&hvtargid=3Dpla-19= 46352471790&psc=3D1&gclid=3DCjwKCAjwivemBhBhEiwAJxNWN-MDGdQtM8bAYFhC= 2S4TlmTe-e7-I-zv0tK4Cqji_0_46NjA1Y6DLBoCuaIQAvD_BwE


T= his one is more compact, but looks like a home-made 3d-printed design.  = ;

https://www.e= bay.com/itm/314609361336?chn=3Dps&_trkparms=3Dispr%3D1&amdata=3Denc%= 3A1XozcKLheQHKixMRh95wjGA87&norover=3D1&mkevt=3D1&mkrid=3D711-11= 7182-37290-0&mkcid=3D2&mkscid=3D101&itemid=3D314609361336&ta= rgetid=3D1583904486842&device=3Dc&mktype=3Dpla&googleloc=3D90037= 26&poi=3D&campaignid=3D19894961968&mkgroupid=3D148855406073&= rlsatarget=3Daud-1412318123216:pla-1583904486842&abcId=3D9307911&mer= chantid=3D6296724&gclid=3DCjwKCAjwivemBhBhEiwAJxNWNyuG55MyzQY81XkMzAQzr8= m68ChNHSKyWBs-0T6E59q4fH-GJe3UXhoC-RQQAvD_BwE

You could also get something like this and p= ick the regulator you want.


LMK if you wa= nt to talk about it.

Tim


On Aug 17, 2023, at 5:14 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote:

= OK, I guess I'm missing something here.  I am looking for a small device that I can plug a dewalt 20v battery into that converts it to 12vDC in a standard cigarette lighter plug.

Does anything= like this exist?  It seems that it would make sense since there are a nearly limitless supply of devices that work on a 12V plug, and the dewalt batteries are dense and powerful.

Anyone know w= here I can find such a beast?  I'm been searching but haven't found anything yet.

Thanks all.

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= --Apple-Mail-3630AAC3-89B1-4185-8916-94D5C38B5EEC-- --===============2839911142787182443== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============2839911142787182443==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 12:27:10 2023 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA031A04B2 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2023 12:27:10 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from ms11p00im-qufo17281501.me.com (unknown [17.58.38.52]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56555A04EE for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2023 10:11:23 -0600 (MDT) s=1a1hai; t=1692288682; bh=7pMJbpG0/iR6O/w0qLbGWJjqiFw5br/W4hqBVENtk40=; h=Content-Type:From:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To; b=Q8VJu4Sbbkc7wg6d3aDZKbwfWyHSNDn5sBB2d6WX7wvVpcebk9AqyHaTD607fNEU2 S7BpSrEe4r1VcpECj9GiuI863oKzUVeRG3bYXct+2YEGll/NyLqstoKMX5WCVrGX9a ngQZyTcJXc0L97Ye4ienMrTv7jy0qfaR9aJvvZg8AVW+Z9qs3/Dm2EkUZ2RCOEEp3J qJLQr1RZJfZfKD07Pl3hEhFM8AhECGZFgDl8w4YDrJTqdbUc2Bo4q2y4x0VkOuNxKP cmh7j5FULE4MkN4gvNYyDXyjRvzbqaokB82c+M26+lDuem79Ij72oIJ8jZsYVQdPWx RG8EaQy50ZRJw== Received: from smtpclient.apple (ms11p00im-dlb-asmtpmailmevip.me.com [17.57.154.19]) by ms11p00im-qufo17281501.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EA2A4B61C44; Thu, 17 Aug 2023 16:11:21 +0000 (UTC) From: Pat Horne Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 11:11:09 -0500 References: <4E0D48B0-3728-48AB-BA16-9D2522C64B64@chenhoerning.com> To: "Hoerning, Timothy" =?UTF-8?Q?2903e8d5c8f:6.0.138,18.0.816,17.11.62.513.0000000_definitions?= =?UTF-8?Q?=3D2022-01-18=5F01:2020-02-14=5F02,2022-01-18=5F01,2021-12-02?= =?UTF-8?Q?=5F01_signatures=3D0?= spamscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 bulkscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 clxscore=1015 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2212070000 definitions=main-2308170144 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dewalt 12v power supply Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============7481359431621093101== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-2B99F426-9646-4AC0-8177-03CEA58C81B6 charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I wouldn=E2=80=99t want to try the third on= e, it is intended to use for powering things. There is no temperature or cha= rge monitoring. 

Pat Horne 
We support= Habitat for Humanity


On Aug 1= 7, 2023, at 10:53 AM, Hoerning, Timothy <tim@chenhoerning.com> wrote:<= br>
=EF=BB=BF
I think this will do wha= t you need.   It=E2=80=99s kinda big and bulky, but I would figure that= =E2=80=99s so the 20V-12V converter can be heat sinked.   It says it=E2= =80=99s a buck inverter, so it should be efficient.  You would need to w= ire up the cigarette lighter jack. 

https://www.amazon.com/Mellif-Converter-Inverter-Automatic-Regulator/dp/B= 0BSF7ZNFD/ref=3Dasc_df_B0BSF7ZNFD/?tag=3Dhyprod-20&linkCode=3Ddf0&hv= adid=3D642117690907&hvpos=3D&hvnetw=3Dg&hvrand=3D103666444326749= 80994&hvpone=3D&hvptwo=3D&hvqmt=3D&hvdev=3Dc&hvdvcmdl=3D= &hvlocint=3D&hvlocphy=3D9003726&hvtargid=3Dpla-1946352471790&= ;psc=3D1&gclid=3DCjwKCAjwivemBhBhEiwAJxNWN-MDGdQtM8bAYFhC2S4TlmTe-e7-I-z= v0tK4Cqji_0_46NjA1Y6DLBoCuaIQAvD_BwE


This one is more= compact, but looks like a home-made 3d-printed design.  

https://www.ebay.com/itm/314= 609361336?chn=3Dps&_trkparms=3Dispr%3D1&amdata=3Denc%3A1XozcKLheQHKi= xMRh95wjGA87&norover=3D1&mkevt=3D1&mkrid=3D711-117182-37290-0&am= p;mkcid=3D2&mkscid=3D101&itemid=3D314609361336&targetid=3D158390= 4486842&device=3Dc&mktype=3Dpla&googleloc=3D9003726&poi=3D&a= mp;campaignid=3D19894961968&mkgroupid=3D148855406073&rlsatarget=3Dau= d-1412318123216:pla-1583904486842&abcId=3D9307911&merchantid=3D62967= 24&gclid=3DCjwKCAjwivemBhBhEiwAJxNWNyuG55MyzQY81XkMzAQzr8m68ChNHSKyWBs-0= T6E59q4fH-GJe3UXhoC-RQQAvD_BwE

You could also get something like this and pick the regulat= or you want.

https://www.amazon.com/Adap= ter-terminals%EF%BC%8CWork-Battery%EF%BC%9BPower-Connector-Robotics/dp/B09GW= 6TC43/ref=3Dasc_df_B09GW6TC43/?tag=3Dhyprod-20&linkCode=3Ddf0&hvadid= =3D532907556229&hvpos=3D&hvnetw=3Dg&hvrand=3D7322017601500041529= &hvpone=3D&hvptwo=3D&hvqmt=3D&hvdev=3Dc&hvdvcmdl=3D&= hvlocint=3D&hvlocphy=3D9003726&hvtargid=3Dpla-1529906407877&psc=3D= 1

LMK if you want to talk about= it.

Tim

=

On A= ug 17, 2023, at 5:14 AM, eri= c@megageek.com wrote:

OK, I guess I'm mi= ssing something here.  I am looking for a small device that I can plug a dewalt 20v battery into that converts it to 12vDC in a standard cigarette lighter plug.

Does anything= like this exist?  It seems that it would make sense since there are a nearly limitless supply of devices that work on a 12V plug, and the dewalt batteries are dense and powerful.

Anyone know w= here I can find such a beast?  I'm been searching but haven't found anything yet.

Thanks all.

Moose_= ______________________________________________

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= --Apple-Mail-2B99F426-9646-4AC0-8177-03CEA58C81B6-- --===============7481359431621093101== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============7481359431621093101==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 12:49:50 2023 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B190BA013F for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2023 12:49:50 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from ms11p00im-qufo17291401.me.com (unknown [17.58.38.43]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D37D8A010F for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2023 10:14:51 -0600 (MDT) s=1a1hai; t=1692288890; bh=RfSYfq3bVW/83RK7PWt60HJg4gCf2+5PEay5aFFuNg4=; h=Content-Type:From:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To; b=HonprprABfgG5OrzNSR5JwKTeCUe9VlCqF6bL98ATFTAO1SIYJgmHOgD/dxEwtdrY H/Wm2UncQazgMfsHAdEeGodC2o3apq4Dgg4bpZejKxS7v0d1UFNlXYjkhlwsxdbPi5 GGAq1KxMLtmz6nb4nURyhKnBBjLjo0MVsrnTb6U6rUq3dHqUatAHC9cK05nz2rTYNW GX+AvAq5MMokiF6EXlOkjjJePiMtT2CJDM9O5UE4nvlCdf6rvFu4jXUU0wcCpiOQfn UAkfRSfx134MRZd4xD3tE8LrnhvyjyMKPN67Zod32x/yfyV9QvxzU+EyNY06gNPYMJ uZaugSPkazRxg== Received: from smtpclient.apple (ms11p00im-dlb-asmtpmailmevip.me.com [17.57.154.19]) by ms11p00im-qufo17291401.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7220B8E047B; Thu, 17 Aug 2023 16:14:49 +0000 (UTC) From: Pat Horne Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 11:14:37 -0500 References: <4E0D48B0-3728-48AB-BA16-9D2522C64B64@chenhoerning.com> To: "Hoerning, Timothy" =?UTF-8?Q?2903e8d5c8f:6.0.138,18.0.572,17.0.605.474.0000000_definitions?= =?UTF-8?Q?=3D2020-02-14=5F11:2020-02-14=5F02,2020-02-14=5F11,2020-01-23?= =?UTF-8?Q?=5F02_signatures=3D0?= phishscore=0 malwarescore=0 adultscore=0 clxscore=1015 mlxscore=0 suspectscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2212070000 definitions=main-2308170145 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dewalt 12v power supply Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============3799630333169315841== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-41D516D9-7AE1-4D03-93EC-354EBB16FF2D charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Damn I hate it when I don=E2=80=99t read th= ings carefully! All of these are intended to power something from the 20V ba= ttery, not charge it!

Back to go & didn=E2=80=99t col= lect $200. 

Pat Horne 
We support Habi= tat for Humanity


On Aug 17, 2= 023, at 10:53 AM, Hoerning, Timothy <tim@chenhoerning.com> wrote:
<= br>
=EF=BB=BF
I think this will do what yo= u need.   It=E2=80=99s kinda big and bulky, but I would figure that=E2=80= =99s so the 20V-12V converter can be heat sinked.   It says it=E2=80=99= s a buck inverter, so it should be efficient.  You would need to wire u= p the cigarette lighter jack. 

h= ttps://www.amazon.com/Mellif-Converter-Inverter-Automatic-Regulator/dp/B0BSF7= ZNFD/ref=3Dasc_df_B0BSF7ZNFD/?tag=3Dhyprod-20&linkCode=3Ddf0&hvadid=3D= 642117690907&hvpos=3D&hvnetw=3Dg&hvrand=3D10366644432674980994&a= mp;hvpone=3D&hvptwo=3D&hvqmt=3D&hvdev=3Dc&hvdvcmdl=3D&hv= locint=3D&hvlocphy=3D9003726&hvtargid=3Dpla-1946352471790&psc=3D= 1&gclid=3DCjwKCAjwivemBhBhEiwAJxNWN-MDGdQtM8bAYFhC2S4TlmTe-e7-I-zv0tK4Cq= ji_0_46NjA1Y6DLBoCuaIQAvD_BwE

=

This one is more compac= t, but looks like a home-made 3d-printed design.  

https://www.ebay.com/itm/314609361= 336?chn=3Dps&_trkparms=3Dispr%3D1&amdata=3Denc%3A1XozcKLheQHKixMRh95= wjGA87&norover=3D1&mkevt=3D1&mkrid=3D711-117182-37290-0&mkci= d=3D2&mkscid=3D101&itemid=3D314609361336&targetid=3D158390448684= 2&device=3Dc&mktype=3Dpla&googleloc=3D9003726&poi=3D&cam= paignid=3D19894961968&mkgroupid=3D148855406073&rlsatarget=3Daud-1412= 318123216:pla-1583904486842&abcId=3D9307911&merchantid=3D6296724&= ;gclid=3DCjwKCAjwivemBhBhEiwAJxNWNyuG55MyzQY81XkMzAQzr8m68ChNHSKyWBs-0T6E59q= 4fH-GJe3UXhoC-RQQAvD_BwE

You could also get something like this and pick the regulator you w= ant.

https://www.amazon.com/Adapter-term= inals%EF%BC%8CWork-Battery%EF%BC%9BPower-Connector-Robotics/dp/B09GW6TC43/re= f=3Dasc_df_B09GW6TC43/?tag=3Dhyprod-20&linkCode=3Ddf0&hvadid=3D53290= 7556229&hvpos=3D&hvnetw=3Dg&hvrand=3D7322017601500041529&hvp= one=3D&hvptwo=3D&hvqmt=3D&hvdev=3Dc&hvdvcmdl=3D&hvlocint= =3D&hvlocphy=3D9003726&hvtargid=3Dpla-1529906407877&psc=3D1<= /div>

LMK if you want to talk about it.

Tim

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On Aug 17= , 2023, at 5:14 AM, eric@meg= ageek.com wrote:

OK, I guess I'm missin= g something here.  I am looking for a small device that I can plug a dewalt 20v battery into that converts it to 12vDC in a standard cigarette lighter plug.

Does anything= like this exist?  It seems that it would make sense since there are a nearly limitless supply of devices that work on a 12V plug, and the dewalt batteries are dense and powerful.

Anyone know w= here I can find such a beast?  I'm been searching but haven't found anything yet.

Thanks all.

Moose_= ______________________________________________

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= --Apple-Mail-41D516D9-7AE1-4D03-93EC-354EBB16FF2D-- --===============3799630333169315841== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============3799630333169315841==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 13:09:07 2023 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C675A0500 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2023 13:09:07 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from Deep13.mail.Megageek.com (unknown [34.199.103.79]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 923B4A0123 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2023 10:40:01 -0600 (MDT) References: <4E0D48B0-3728-48AB-BA16-9D2522C64B64@chenhoerning.com> To: Shop-talk@autox.team.net type=4; name=$KeepSent From: eric@megageek.com Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 12:40:00 -0400 08/17/2023 12:40:06 PM, Serialize complete at 08/17/2023 12:40:06 PM Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dewalt 12v power supply Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. --===============8341218827975333711== This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 005B8DC385258A0E_= I wanted to thank everyone that chimed in. I was able to get what I need( Tim's suggestion!) I don't see why Dewalt wouldn't make something like this. Seems like a no brainer. Have a great day. Moose --=_alternative 005B8DC385258A0E_= I wanted to thank everyone that chimed in.  I was able to get what I need(  Tim's suggestion!)

I don't see why Dewalt wouldn't make something like this.  Seems like a no brainer.

Have a great day.

Moose --=_alternative 005B8DC385258A0E_=-- --===============8341218827975333711== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============8341218827975333711==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Thu Aug 17 14:30:15 2023 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03617A035C for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2023 14:30:15 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from ms11p00im-qufo17291201.me.com (unknown [17.58.38.41]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DB71A045A for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2023 10:51:57 -0600 (MDT) s=1a1hai; t=1692291116; bh=rvJ2YMwzOJUgF+wQlJiJ3Nh4V3FFgZYx3qi57LSnrWE=; h=Content-Type:From:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:Message-Id:To; b=pTY72xObxQ1XAVkUqy9eeRoaLPh2IaAVRnlr6zftfvKGrEnObmKm2XL1QqxjWNGSB Zmrpy0Mt+z8RYcNz+aWKn1p0UUHQoQyBuY3HFpr0mIVkDbCcfZ+rKIEevEgfMC7YUd nxywzAfoDiY8Uf2JaqXeCCHTpUG2v0KAVPSUnjMb+taidnhiZZOgfk8BL1f3LXpFb9 GVBdJU6Fiq7p3x9wOFqETuwMbY/u0LaRkVyc1WMD0Udt1os1YFVnyQVDmKVP0z+FK8 bvv54MF7IzirQtKDzWGvqNtxqQRZx9WbZQH2puJWs6Ttz4Qnvl+bxXEurgvnCJb3aS kwhfMgWCXgTRg== Received: from smtpclient.apple (ms11p00im-dlb-asmtpmailmevip.me.com [17.57.154.19]) by ms11p00im-qufo17291201.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EE775C8012F; Thu, 17 Aug 2023 16:51:55 +0000 (UTC) From: Pat Horne Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2023 11:51:43 -0500 References: <4E0D48B0-3728-48AB-BA16-9D2522C64B64@chenhoerning.com> To: "Hoerning, Timothy" =?UTF-8?Q?2903e8d5c8f:6.0.138,18.0.572,17.0.605.474.0000000_definitions?= =?UTF-8?Q?=3D2020-02-14=5F11:2020-02-14=5F02,2020-02-14=5F11,2020-01-23?= =?UTF-8?Q?=5F02_signatures=3D0?= bulkscore=0 suspectscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 mlxscore=0 clxscore=1015 malwarescore=0 spamscore=0 phishscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2212070000 definitions=main-2308170151 Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Dewalt 12v power supply Cc: Shop-talk@autox.team.net Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============0700342478741486034== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-961D98B3-AED3-4FCE-81AA-48BD933532DB charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable After re-re-reading the first post, I see f= inally that I was thinking that Eric wanted to charge his batteries from 12V= . Please disregard all my related posts!

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On Aug 17, 2023, at 10:= 53 AM, Hoerning, Timothy <tim@chenhoerning.com> wrote:

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I think this will do what you need. &nb= sp; It=E2=80=99s kinda big and bulky, but I would figure that=E2=80=99s so t= he 20V-12V converter can be heat sinked.   It says it=E2=80=99s a buck i= nverter, so it should be efficient.  You would need to wire up the ciga= rette lighter jack. 



This one is more compact, but lo= oks like a home-made 3d-printed design.  

https://www.ebay.com/itm/314609361336?chn=3D= ps&_trkparms=3Dispr%3D1&amdata=3Denc%3A1XozcKLheQHKixMRh95wjGA87&= ;norover=3D1&mkevt=3D1&mkrid=3D711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=3D2&= mkscid=3D101&itemid=3D314609361336&targetid=3D1583904486842&devi= ce=3Dc&mktype=3Dpla&googleloc=3D9003726&poi=3D&campaignid=3D= 19894961968&mkgroupid=3D148855406073&rlsatarget=3Daud-1412318123216:= pla-1583904486842&abcId=3D9307911&merchantid=3D6296724&gclid=3DC= jwKCAjwivemBhBhEiwAJxNWNyuG55MyzQY81XkMzAQzr8m68ChNHSKyWBs-0T6E59q4fH-GJe3UX= hoC-RQQAvD_BwE

You could also get something like this and pick the regulator you want.

https://www.amazon.com/Adapter-terminals%EF%= BC%8CWork-Battery%EF%BC%9BPower-Connector-Robotics/dp/B09GW6TC43/ref=3Dasc_d= f_B09GW6TC43/?tag=3Dhyprod-20&linkCode=3Ddf0&hvadid=3D532907556229&a= mp;hvpos=3D&hvnetw=3Dg&hvrand=3D7322017601500041529&hvpone=3D&am= p;hvptwo=3D&hvqmt=3D&hvdev=3Dc&hvdvcmdl=3D&hvlocint=3D&h= vlocphy=3D9003726&hvtargid=3Dpla-1529906407877&psc=3D1

LMK if you want to talk about it.
=
Tim


On Aug 17, 2023, at 5= :14 AM, eric@megageek.com wrote:

OK, I guess I'm missing something h= ere.  I am looking for a small device that I can plug a dewalt 20v battery into that converts it to 12vDC in a standard cigarette lighter plug.

Does anything= like this exist?  It seems that it would make sense since there are a nearly limitless supply of devices that work on a 12V plug, and the dewalt batteries are dense and powerful.

Anyone know w= here I can find such a beast?  I'm been searching but haven't found anything yet.

Thanks all.

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I bought a clamp ammeter and tested the igniter current and it's at 2.9 - 3.0 amps, right where it should be. Of course there was no fluttering during this test :-) Is it possible for these things to fail intermittently or are they pretty steady even as they're going bad? Not to introduce a red herring but sometimes I hear similar fluttering from the water heater, and sometimes the stovetop burners won't light, and sometimes their flame sounds like it has extra pressure, or another non-reactive gas in it because they make jet noises. This is a rental and I'm on good terms with the landlord and her dog is dying so I don't want to burden her with petty things if there's nothing really wrong, but I also don't want my roasts to not cook or the house to blow up. thanks, jim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 22 16:14:41 2023 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F10FBA077A for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2023 16:14:40 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-ej1-f50.google.com (unknown [209.85.218.50]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26EFCA02C8 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2023 14:44:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-ej1-f50.google.com with SMTP id a640c23a62f3a-9a1681fa868so587063466b.3 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2023 13:44:55 -0700 (PDT) d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1692737095; x=1693341895; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=DkCCsrf1sORwqU9fDMcPqhDcGb93HtIvO4MxC/dU3nk=; b=CK9Lpo5CMqF+OYx6OdHwM+AeyVxJ+j5ax1yH0PwnQSy0XpRVprZLm2roMfYFj3GRZv dp82hi5ity681UqpIwaQ7WCqfkdfSwnCtTzQ9f6VecUNlaFAwJN9Gx3BQ1rVw4bIjsrM Roqj6DMHiduf7mt9aUY74BjPYY9qgmirFqDL9fipnyccr3HtcDqWdkdaDCV5/Ij/qhFT IzFhVxYIkGYInvTbik7Teq7AFxIzaJC4qBXZ+o4UWA6/4iH3QsFzT+iL2F6jyHic2HTA SicsMgZ4R0hUH/c4IGf7qEAil00wMq2xdkYFW9iGZ6GfQ6sQoFh9e9MCCh+Vf/XmuW2T rQmw== d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1692737095; x=1693341895; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=DkCCsrf1sORwqU9fDMcPqhDcGb93HtIvO4MxC/dU3nk=; b=XFn0mp+8wK7aGreBMrWLNiY7xmL0SrPqBzLaqcdhyqrjB4FDW+ov2fxi6LrJMP7+oL J3gxlJxyWO4gwdR9jSR2WMEFmi3GSn1asDFtJXsEubeAvlth7+a/CGsZC2xtJ3uYj1vJ 4JScob2xhf6BA36ruJ3Dczh2Br9+B1JOXhgY+EdMqDIX8IkSRORpQGApSjZ4xC/V6D1F WNFk0IY55+WKDf4oTKIZtNmskIzvuQNSqQgNXSaXSQjnZLKl9ojiPMzmgme9Ip0e2VYd nba8tMdi4jqwUH+VDFyJBsKDuFtgj4miVEyUtFC0Lnk51d8gXME1vQYbofF36l8N5WPW BAEA== luCeGz9/1YwnHgPr/InsJqQKITflfNJw+m2J9xw= 27-20020a170906015b00b009a1d67cb4f2mr135201ejh.77.1692737094722; Tue, 22 Aug 2023 13:44:54 -0700 (PDT) References: <1279A6BF-27CE-41FC-99D6-F8F9AA7BE024@groupwbench.org> From: John Innis Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2023 15:44:43 -0500 To: Jim Franklin Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Troubleshooting a fluttering gas oven Cc: Shop Talk Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net --===============6205083236832821545== --0000000000003aa6f706038911ce Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is this a propane house or natural gas house? I know on propane installations you can get this if the vent on the pressure regulator is clogged or damaged, but I have not seen that sort of thing in a natural gas system. Maybe ask your gas supplier? I know our propane provider had a preferred contractor that did our Nat to LP conversion when we bought a new gas dryer. On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 3:40=E2=80=AFPM Jim Franklin wrote: > I have a Magic Chef gas range and occasionally the oven will "flutter" an= d > take a long time to come up to temp. I bought a clamp ammeter and tested > the igniter current and it's at 2.9 - 3.0 amps, right where it should be. > Of course there was no fluttering during this test :-) > > Is it possible for these things to fail intermittently or are they pretty > steady even as they're going bad? > > Not to introduce a red herring but sometimes I hear similar fluttering > from the water heater, and sometimes the stovetop burners won't light, an= d > sometimes their flame sounds like it has extra pressure, or another > non-reactive gas in it because they make jet noises. > > This is a rental and I'm on good terms with the landlord and her dog is > dying so I don't want to burden her with petty things if there's nothing > really wrong, but I also don't want my roasts to not cook or the house to > blow up. > > thanks, > jim > _______________________________________________ > > Shop-talk@autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $12.96 > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jdinnis@gmail.com > > --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D Never offend people with style when you =3D =3D can offend with substance --- Sam Brown =3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --0000000000003aa6f706038911ce Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is this a propane house or natural gas house?=C2=A0 I know= on propane installations you can get this if the vent on the pressure regu= lator is clogged or damaged, but I have not seen that sort of thing in a na= tural gas system.=C2=A0 Maybe ask your gas supplier?=C2=A0 I know our propa= ne provider had a preferred contractor that did our Nat to LP conversion wh= en we bought a new gas dryer.

On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 3:40=E2=80=AFPM Ji= m Franklin <jamesf@groupwbench= .org> wrote:
I have a Magic Chef gas range and occasionally the oven will "flut= ter" and take a long time to come up to temp. I bought a clamp ammeter= and tested the igniter current and it's at 2.9 - 3.0 amps, right where= it should be. Of course there was no fluttering during this test :-)

Is it possible for these things to fail intermittently or are they pretty s= teady even as they're going bad?

Not to introduce a red herring but sometimes I hear similar fluttering from= the water heater, and sometimes the stovetop burners won't light, and = sometimes their flame sounds like it has extra pressure, or another non-rea= ctive gas in it because they make jet noises.

This is a rental and I'm on good terms with the landlord and her dog is= dying so I don't want to burden her with petty things if there's n= othing really wrong, but I also don't want my roasts to not cook or the= house to blow up.

thanks,
jim
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jim

On Aug 22, 2023, at 4:44 PM, John Innis = <jdinnis@gmail.com> wrote:

Is = this a propane house or natural gas house?  I know on propane = installations you can get this if the vent on the pressure regulator is = clogged or damaged, but I have not seen that sort of thing in a natural = gas system.  Maybe ask your gas supplier?  I know our propane = provider had a preferred contractor that did our Nat to LP conversion = when we bought a new gas dryer.

On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at = 3:40=E2=80=AFPM Jim Franklin <jamesf@groupwbench.org> wrote:
I have a = Magic Chef gas range and occasionally the oven will "flutter" and take a = long time to come up to temp. I bought a clamp ammeter and tested the = igniter current and it's at 2.9 - 3.0 amps, right where it should be. Of = course there was no fluttering during this test :-)

Is it possible for these things to fail intermittently or are = they pretty steady even as they're going bad? 

Not to introduce a red herring but sometimes I hear similar = fluttering from the water heater, and sometimes the stovetop burners = won't light, and sometimes their flame sounds like it has extra = pressure, or another non-reactive gas in it because they make jet = noises. 

This is a rental and I'm on good terms with = the landlord and her dog is dying so I don't want to burden her with = petty things if there's nothing really wrong, but I also don't want my = roasts to not cook or the house to blow up. 

thanks,
jim
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= --Apple-Mail=_633D5F97-FB60-4244-A865-42E21C8260F5-- --===============4192248431698776401== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive --===============4192248431698776401==-- From shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net Tue Aug 22 16:58:20 2023 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mharc@autox.team.net Received: from [50.198.190.17] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94E46A06DF for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2023 16:58:20 -0600 (MDT) Delivered-To: shop-talk@autox.team.net Received: from mail-pf1-f177.google.com (unknown [209.85.210.177]) by autox.team.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2419A0744 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2023 15:11:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: by mail-pf1-f177.google.com with SMTP id d2e1a72fcca58-68a410316a2so1953828b3a.0 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2023 14:11:44 -0700 (PDT) d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1692738704; x=1693343504; h=content-language:thread-index:content-transfer-encoding :mime-version:message-id:date:subject:in-reply-to:references:to:from :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=rzj2n0TPrAEAfzWvBAxsbTvuAXSn/MoxmSZgo/uElOQ=; b=EXmFIIv4k/xqilY1y5YUEVQjRNhzOVzwgYn3tMyPTkXOLCRMZ3iMGkfw9aFG3176sc NuUYj7Q9EUXQ2FNS81Bm9mF9OwEyI2gC5UjHcRqmeRANpUTpKXF7wgVuK2vVkjBuXIs8 cbZLEP2KTEvrQHO6wnf33AQ/a+Lw8X+nUoLXGKHIutA/ITzdLqVSJh18SUpz7SPU+eox Lw8chYLsc0WamYrq/IPzTfZEwmEony5JLpgVoHvcEm3DT1GZVJPMeUmu3cTDN4qduy2L CRPz0ADJJOVD8d443omfZ85ChpcCP6lbYT4nFJcpmzm/AA+LDxPOa4hKHhIf95HQfKcS 9XEg== d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1692738704; x=1693343504; h=content-language:thread-index:content-transfer-encoding :mime-version:message-id:date:subject:in-reply-to:references:to:from :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=rzj2n0TPrAEAfzWvBAxsbTvuAXSn/MoxmSZgo/uElOQ=; b=CYsaOS6UT6dXkNb2eZjdcc0AFqNeze3lUztN8jA9kAcC68q/uCkVhhYgAKTjiyawOs N2El0peoJnObPMtMmmmUpUC7P/a/vbkzwoqVJ53N1TtzvVZ7am89RTfwiu7Huceno4/l lpQyGCRv6eIdgjOEWzoXmTM4JsWg+d5a22GPELsRzm4lcoQQAbzkv4jFh8K4DINkT+l2 JoyD0UaLUeCzXX90ymv3mz/YDlAHD137Edg+QIsyL+0TwH7cibQEbSX/NMHGn78ZPB0q DlNsdW0lVJMpRN8y8kw3CBF+wyDt0HiCHtudSOskcGjqyBvYOSrcwdAuvBqAFbYnfzff i+VA== OkMT3S6roAOxsBCeWOcEC3PnuPaZks4= w20-20020a056a0014d400b0064cc5f91533mr10365582pfu.33.1692738704137; Tue, 22 Aug 2023 14:11:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hpenvy2 (ip72-203-30-179.lv.lv.cox.net. [72.203.30.179]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id fk22-20020a056a003a9600b006875df47743sm8144299pfb.156.2023.08.22.14.11.43 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 22 Aug 2023 14:11:43 -0700 (PDT) From: To: "'Jim Franklin'" , "'Shop Talk'" References: <1279A6BF-27CE-41FC-99D6-F8F9AA7BE024@groupwbench.org> Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2023 14:11:38 -0700 Thread-Index: AQH+5lrDDR8xM6+fQLlhTle0kCu2/K+srJZw Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Troubleshooting a fluttering gas oven Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net If I understand you correctly a gas oven, gas cooktop and a gas water heater are all behaving inconsistently - yes? If so, I would first see if the gas utility is having problems supplying consistent pressure and quality of gas. You should be able to call them and have them check without charge. ---------------- All the best, Al Fuller -----Original Message----- From: Shop-talk On Behalf Of Jim Franklin Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2023 11:29 AM To: Shop Talk Subject: [Shop-talk] Troubleshooting a fluttering gas oven I have a Magic Chef gas range and occasionally the oven will "flutter" and take a long time to come up to temp. I bought a clamp ammeter and tested the igniter current and it's at 2.9 - 3.0 amps, right where it should be. Of course there was no fluttering during this test :-) Is it possible for these things to fail intermittently or are they pretty steady even as they're going bad? Not to introduce a red herring but sometimes I hear similar fluttering from the water heater, and sometimes the stovetop burners won't light, and sometimes their flame sounds like it has extra pressure, or another non-reactive gas in it because they make jet noises. This is a rental and I'm on good terms with the landlord and her dog is dying so I don't want to burden her with petty things if there's nothing really wrong, but I also don't want my roasts to not cook or the house to blow up. thanks, jim _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/alfuller194@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Shop-talk@autox.team.net Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/shop-talk http://autox.team.net/archive