Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Troubleshooting a fluttering gas oven

From: John Innis <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2023 15:44:43 -0500

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Is this a propane house or natural gas house?  I know on propane
installations you can get this if the vent on the pressure regulator is
clogged or damaged, but I have not seen that sort of thing in a natural gas
system.  Maybe ask your gas supplier?  I know our propane provider had a
preferred contractor that did our Nat to LP conversion when we bought a new
gas dryer.

On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 3:40=E2=80=AFPM Jim Franklin <[email-masked]=
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> I have a Magic Chef gas range and occasionally the oven will "flutter" an=
d
> take a long time to come up to temp. I bought a clamp ammeter and tested
> the igniter current and it's at 2.9 - 3.0 amps, right where it should be.
> Of course there was no fluttering during this test :-)
>
> Is it possible for these things to fail intermittently or are they pretty
> steady even as they're going bad?
>
> Not to introduce a red herring but sometimes I hear similar fluttering
> from the water heater, and sometimes the stovetop burners won't light, an=
d
> sometimes their flame sounds like it has extra pressure, or another
> non-reactive gas in it because they make jet noises.
>
> This is a rental and I'm on good terms with the landlord and her dog is
> dying so I don't want to burden her with petty things if there's nothing
> really wrong, but I also don't want my roasts to not cook or the house to
> blow up.
>
> thanks,
> jim
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Is this a propane house or natural gas house?=C2=A0 I know=
 on propane installations you can get this if the vent on the pressure regu=
lator is clogged or damaged, but I have not seen that sort of thing in a na=
tural gas system.=C2=A0 Maybe ask your gas supplier?=C2=A0 I know our propa=
ne provider had a preferred contractor that did our Nat to LP conversion wh=
en we bought a new gas dryer.<br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 3:40=E2=80=AFPM Ji=
m Franklin &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">jamesf@groupwbench=
.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1=
ex">I have a Magic Chef gas range and occasionally the oven will &quot;flut=
ter&quot; and take a long time to come up to temp. I bought a clamp ammeter=
 and tested the igniter current and it&#39;s at 2.9 - 3.0 amps, right where=
 it should be. Of course there was no fluttering during this test :-)<br>
<br>
Is it possible for these things to fail intermittently or are they pretty s=
teady even as they&#39;re going bad? <br>
<br>
Not to introduce a red herring but sometimes I hear similar fluttering from=
 the water heater, and sometimes the stovetop burners won&#39;t light, and =
sometimes their flame sounds like it has extra pressure, or another non-rea=
ctive gas in it because they make jet noises. <br>
<br>
This is a rental and I&#39;m on good terms with the landlord and her dog is=
 dying so I don&#39;t want to burden her with petty things if there&#39;s n=
othing really wrong, but I also don&#39;t want my roasts to not cook or the=
 house to blow up. <br>
<br>
thanks,<br>
jim<br>
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From: Jim Franklin <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2023 16:47:06 -0400

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Natural gas. We're on a cul de sac, I'll see if any of the neighbors =
have the same issue.

jim

> On Aug 22, 2023, at 4:44 PM, John Innis <[email-masked]> wrote:
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> Is this a propane house or natural gas house?  I know on propane =
installations you can get this if the vent on the pressure regulator is =
clogged or damaged, but I have not seen that sort of thing in a natural =
gas system.  Maybe ask your gas supplier?  I know our propane provider =
had a preferred contractor that did our Nat to LP conversion when we =
bought a new gas dryer.
>=20
> On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 3:40=E2=80=AFPM Jim Franklin =
> I have a Magic Chef gas range and occasionally the oven will "flutter" =
and take a long time to come up to temp. I bought a clamp ammeter and =
tested the igniter current and it's at 2.9 - 3.0 amps, right where it =
should be. Of course there was no fluttering during this test :-)
>=20
> Is it possible for these things to fail intermittently or are they =
pretty steady even as they're going bad?=20
>=20
> Not to introduce a red herring but sometimes I hear similar fluttering =
from the water heater, and sometimes the stovetop burners won't light, =
and sometimes their flame sounds like it has extra pressure, or another =
non-reactive gas in it because they make jet noises.=20
>=20
> This is a rental and I'm on good terms with the landlord and her dog =
is dying so I don't want to burden her with petty things if there's =
nothing really wrong, but I also don't want my roasts to not cook or the =
house to blow up.=20
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class=3D"">Natural gas. We're on a cul de sac, I'll see if any of the =
neighbors have the same issue.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">jim<br class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite"=
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-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=3D"">Is =
this a propane house or natural gas house?&nbsp; I know on propane =
installations you can get this if the vent on the pressure regulator is =
clogged or damaged, but I have not seen that sort of thing in a natural =
gas system.&nbsp; Maybe ask your gas supplier?&nbsp; I know our propane =
provider had a preferred contractor that did our Nat to LP conversion =
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long time to come up to temp. I bought a clamp ammeter and tested the =
igniter current and it's at 2.9 - 3.0 amps, right where it should be. Of =
course there was no fluttering during this test :-)<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Is it possible for these things to fail intermittently or are =
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class=3D"">Not to introduce a red herring but sometimes I hear similar =
fluttering from the water heater, and sometimes the stovetop burners =
won't light, and sometimes their flame sounds like it has extra =
pressure, or another non-reactive gas in it because they make jet =
noises.<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">This is a rental and I'm on good terms with =
the landlord and her dog is dying so I don't want to burden her with =
petty things if there's nothing really wrong, but I also don't want my =
roasts to not cook or the house to blow up.<span =
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From: <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2023 14:11:38 -0700

If I understand you correctly a gas oven, gas cooktop and a gas water heater
are all behaving inconsistently - yes?  

If so, I would first see if the gas utility is having problems supplying
consistent pressure and quality of gas. You should be able to call them and
have them check without charge.

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All the best,

Al Fuller

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From: Shop-talk <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Jim Franklin
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2023 11:29 AM
To: Shop Talk <[email-masked]>
Subject: [Shop-talk] Troubleshooting a fluttering gas oven

I have a Magic Chef gas range and occasionally the oven will "flutter" and
take a long time to come up to temp. I bought a clamp ammeter and tested the
igniter current and it's at 2.9 - 3.0 amps, right where it should be. Of
course there was no fluttering during this test :-)

Not to introduce a red herring but sometimes I hear similar fluttering from
the water heater, and sometimes the stovetop burners won't light, and
sometimes their flame sounds like it has extra pressure, or another
non-reactive gas in it because they make jet noises. 

thanks,
jim

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