Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] homeowner/ shop guy cordless drill

From: John Innis <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2023 20:42:58 -0500

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You should see the new 20v Dewalt DCF-900 impact.  Over 800ft-lbs in a
1/2-inch impact.  Best you can buy right now.  I have used it to remove the
lug nuts from a tandem axle dump truck.  I have yet to encounter ANYTHING
that I could not get loose with it.  Including the axle shackles that broke
the bolts rather than come loose.  Seriously this thing isa BEAST!

On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 8:07=E2=80=AFPM Joe Szwed <[email-masked]> wrote:

> To me the batteries are the expensive part, so I would look to see who ma=
y
> offer other tools you may like.  Once you have a couple batteries, you ca=
n
> add tools by buying them without batteries.  I started with the 18v Dewal=
t
> and since I do a fair amount of mechanical work I need a 1/2=E2=80=9D imp=
act.  The
> Dewalt 18v impact was a big disappointment for me.  I had heard a lot of
> good things about Milwaukee=E2=80=99s 18v impact and decided to try it, b=
ut being
> on the cheap side, what I did was buy a starter kit on sale at Homedepot
> with a battery and a charger.  Then I picked up a new in the box tool onl=
y
> 1/2=E2=80=9D impact off eBay.  It worked out well enough for me that I ha=
ve added
> other tools as needed.  I bought a 1/2=E2=80=9D drill, sawzall, 4=E2=80=
=9D disc grinder,
> multi tool, die grinder and I=E2=80=99m looking to add a circular saw and=
 heat gun
> next.  I=E2=80=99ve paid anywhere from $100 to $170 ea for the tools I ha=
ve added
> so far mostly from eBay or other online tool sales.
>
> Joe
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<div dir=3D"ltr">You should see the new 20v Dewalt DCF-900 impact.=C2=A0 Ov=
er 800ft-lbs in a 1/2-inch impact.=C2=A0 Best you can buy right now.=C2=A0 =
I have used it to remove the lug nuts from a tandem axle dump truck.=C2=A0 =
I have yet to encounter ANYTHING that I could not get loose with it.=C2=A0 =
Including the axle shackles that broke the bolts rather than come loose.=C2=
=A0 Seriously this thing isa BEAST!<br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"=
><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 8:07=E2=80=AF=
PM Joe Szwed &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&g=
t; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0p=
x 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">To me =
the batteries are the expensive part, so I would look to see who may offer =
other tools you may like.=C2=A0 Once you have a couple batteries, you can a=
dd tools by buying them without batteries.=C2=A0 I started with the 18v Dew=
alt and since I do a fair amount of mechanical work I need a 1/2=E2=80=9D i=
mpact.=C2=A0 The Dewalt 18v impact was a big disappointment for me.=C2=A0 I=
 had heard a lot of good things about Milwaukee=E2=80=99s 18v impact and de=
cided to try it, but being on the cheap side, what I did was buy a starter =
kit on sale at Homedepot with a battery and a charger.=C2=A0 Then I picked =
up a new in the box tool only 1/2=E2=80=9D impact off eBay.=C2=A0 It worked=
 out well enough for me that I have added other tools as needed.=C2=A0 I bo=
ught a 1/2=E2=80=9D drill, sawzall, 4=E2=80=9D disc grinder, multi tool, di=
e grinder and I=E2=80=99m looking to add a circular saw and heat gun next.=
=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve paid anywhere from $100 to $170 ea for the tools I have=
 added so far mostly from eBay or other online tool sales.<br>
<br>
Joe<br>
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From: Karl Vacek <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2023 21:29:24 -0500

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I got good use out of a 14V DeWalt drill over 20 years, but the batteries 
were a big bother and expense.  I gave up on genuine DeWalt batteries early 
on because all they offered then was NiCad and they're just a pain, with 
their low capacity, memory issues, and no smart charger/conditioner.  Began 
buying NiMH Chinese ones off eBay and had far better luck.  But technology 
advanced and my drill was relatively weak and had no hammer capability.  I 
was still using corded drills when I needed power or had lots of work to do.

Then in about 2000 I got a Christmas deal on a Milwaukee Fuel 18V hammer 
drill and 1/4" impact set with 2 batteries, plus another battery free, from 
Homey.  All 5AH batteries, both tools are Fuel (meaning brushless - 
powerful and not battery hungry).  Batteries are computer equipped and 
sense load, temp, and state of charge.  Charger is fast, though they do 
sell even faster ones that do 2 batteries at once if you're a contractor.

For me these are pretty perfect.  The impact handles not only construction 
work but most automotive stuff too.  I still need a real impact for big 
things, but the battery one is fine for run of the mill fasteners.  My $230 
investment was well worth it, and I almost never charge batteries any more.

I recently added the 18V Fuel Multi tool after my second Horrible Fart one 
broke just after the warrantee.  Comparatively quiet, powerful, and fast 
tool changes.  Incredibly handy.  And I already have batteries.

Karl

On August 2, 2023 7:57:43 PM Joe Szwed <[email-masked]> wrote:

> To me the batteries are the expensive part, so I would look to see who may 
> offer other tools you may like.  Once you have a couple batteries, you can 
> add tools by buying them without batteries.  I started with the 18v Dewalt 
> and since I do a fair amount of mechanical work I need a 1/2” impact.  The 
> good things about Milwaukee’s 18v impact and decided to try it, but being 
> with a battery and a charger.  Then I picked up a new in the box tool only 
> 1/2” impact off eBay.  It worked out well enough for me that I have added 
> other tools as needed.  I bought a 1/2” drill, sawzall, 4” disc grinder, 
> multi tool, die grinder and I’m looking to add a circular saw and heat gun 
> next.  I’ve paid anywhere from $100 to $170 ea for the tools I have added 
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<div dir=3D"auto">I got good use out of a 14V DeWalt drill over 20 years, b=
ut the batteries were a big bother and expense.&nbsp; I gave up on genuine =
DeWalt batteries early on because all they offered then was NiCad and they'=
re just a pain, with their low capacity, memory issues, and no smart charge=
r/conditioner.&nbsp; Began buying NiMH Chinese ones off eBay and had far be=
tter luck.&nbsp; But technology advanced and my drill was relatively weak a=
nd had no hammer capability.&nbsp; I was still using corded drills when I n=
eeded power or had lots of work to do.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><di=
v dir=3D"auto">Then in about 2000 I got a Christmas deal on a Milwaukee Fue=
l 18V hammer drill and 1/4" impact set with 2 batteries, plus another batte=
ry free, from Homey.&nbsp; All 5AH batteries, both tools are Fuel (meaning =
brushless - powerful and not battery hungry).&nbsp; Batteries are computer =
equipped and sense load, temp, and state of charge.&nbsp; Charger is fast, =
though they do sell even faster ones that do 2 batteries at once if you're =
a contractor.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">For me the=
se are pretty perfect.&nbsp; The impact handles not only construction work =
but most automotive stuff too.&nbsp; I still need a real impact for big thi=
ngs, but the battery one is fine for run of the mill fasteners.&nbsp; My $2=
30 investment was well worth it, and I almost never charge batteries any mo=
re.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I recently added the=
 18V Fuel Multi tool after my second Horrible Fart one broke just after the=
 warrantee.&nbsp; Comparatively quiet, powerful, and fast tool changes.&nbs=
p; Incredibly handy.&nbsp; And I already have batteries.</div><div dir=3D"a=
uto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Karl</div><div dir=3D'auto'><br></div>
<div id=3D"aqm-original" style=3D"color: black;">
<div dir=3D"auto">On August 2, 2023 7:57:43 PM Joe Szwed &lt;[email-masked]=
om&gt; wrote:</div>
<div><br></div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0 0 0 0.75=
ex; border-left: 1px solid #808080; padding-left: 0.75ex;">
<div dir=3D"auto">To me the batteries are the expensive part, so I would lo=
ok to see who may offer other tools you may like. &nbsp;Once you have a cou=
ple batteries, you can add tools by buying them without batteries. &nbsp;I =
started with the 18v Dewalt and since I do a fair amount of mechanical work=
 I need a 1/2=E2=80=9D impact. &nbsp;The Dewalt 18v impact was a big disapp=
ointment for me. &nbsp;I had heard a lot of good things about Milwaukee=E2=
=80=99s 18v impact and decided to try it, but being on the cheap side, what=
 I did was buy a starter kit on sale at Homedepot with a battery and a char=
ger. &nbsp;Then I picked up a new in the box tool only 1/2=E2=80=9D impact =
off eBay. &nbsp;It worked out well enough for me that I have added other to=
ols as needed. &nbsp;I bought a 1/2=E2=80=9D drill, sawzall, 4=E2=80=9D dis=
c grinder, multi tool, die grinder and I=E2=80=99m looking to add a circula=
r saw and heat gun next. &nbsp;I=E2=80=99ve paid anywhere from $100 to $170=
 ea for the tools I have added so far mostly from eBay or other online tool=
 sales.</div>
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Like Joe, I ended settling on the Milwaukee M18 tools.  Started out with
the 3/8" Fuel impact and then the hammer drill and next was the 1/2" impact
with 1400 ft/lbs of torque.  I've since collected 18 tools and counting.  I
suspect every brand has their selling points and you probably can't go
wrong with whichever one you choose.  I probably choose Milwaukee brand
because I had one of their corded 4-1/2" grinders that was just awesome.
The important thing is to select a platform and run with it (no pun
intended!).

Brad

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Like Joe, I ended settling=C2=A0on the Milwaukee M18 tools=
.=C2=A0 Started out with the 3/8&quot; Fuel impact and then the hammer dril=
l and next was the 1/2&quot; impact with 1400 ft/lbs of torque.=C2=A0 I&#39=
;ve since collected 18 tools and counting.=C2=A0 I suspect every brand has =
their selling points and you probably can&#39;t go wrong with whichever one=
 you choose.=C2=A0 I probably choose Milwaukee brand because I had one of t=
heir corded 4-1/2&quot; grinders that was just awesome.=C2=A0 The important=
 thing is to select a platform and run with it (no pun intended!).<div><br>=
</div><div>Brad</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 9:06=E2=80=AFPM Joe Szwed &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div=
><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border=
-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">To me the batteries are =
the expensive part, so I would look to see who may offer other tools you ma=
y like.=C2=A0 Once you have a couple batteries, you can add tools by buying=
 them without batteries.=C2=A0 I started with the 18v Dewalt and since I do=
 a fair amount of mechanical work I need a 1/2=E2=80=9D impact.=C2=A0 The D=
ewalt 18v impact was a big disappointment for me.=C2=A0 I had heard a lot o=
f good things about Milwaukee=E2=80=99s 18v impact and decided to try it, b=
ut being on the cheap side, what I did was buy a starter kit on sale at Hom=
edepot with a battery and a charger.=C2=A0 Then I picked up a new in the bo=
x tool only 1/2=E2=80=9D impact off eBay.=C2=A0 It worked out well enough f=
or me that I have added other tools as needed.=C2=A0 I bought a 1/2=E2=80=
=9D drill, sawzall, 4=E2=80=9D disc grinder, multi tool, die grinder and I=
=E2=80=99m looking to add a circular saw and heat gun next.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=
=99ve paid anywhere from $100 to $170 ea for the tools I have added so far =
mostly from eBay or other online tool sales.<br>
<br>
Joe<br>
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