Subject: [Shop-talk] homeowner/ shop guy cordless drill

From: "john" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2023 14:20:04 -0500

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what is the consensus on a decent cordless drill for a homeowner/shop=20
tinkerer/classic truck owner.
I finally let the smoke out of it (literally) yesterday and the torque sett=
ing=20
ring is just about stripped...yea I overworked it
=20
the internet likes the Dewalt 20v  DCD771C2) for around a hundred bucks  an=
d=20
that's pretty much in my budget.  It seems that Dewalt has
at least 576 models of 1/2" drill depending on whats included and what mont=
h it is.
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Won't=20
be used daily and certainly not trades type work...Just an above average sh=
op=20
guy at home
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https://www.amazon.com/Dewalt-DCD771C2-Cordless-Lithium-Ion-
Compact/dp/B00ET5VMTU?source=3Dps-sl-shoppingads-
lpcontext&ref_=3Dfplfs&smid=3DATVPDKIKX0DER&th=3D1   =20
=20
you recommendations are always appreciated but keep them under 150.00   don=
't need all the included gizmos and bits and screwdrivers and carrying case=
=2E..just a basic drill/charger and a
couple of batteries
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john
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI"></FONT><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">what is the con=
sensus on a decent cordless drill for a homeowner/shop tinkerer/classic tru=
ck owner.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">I finally let the smoke out of it (literally) =
yesterday and the torque setting ring is just about stripped...yea I overwo=
rked it</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">the internet likes the Dewalt 20v&nbsp; DCD771=
C2) for around a hundred bucks&nbsp; and that's pretty much in my budget.&n=
bsp; It seems that Dewalt has</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">at least 576 models of 1/2" drill depending on=
 whats included and what month it is.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">Won't be used daily and certainly not trades t=
ype work...Just an above average shop guy at home</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI"><A href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/Dewalt-DCD77=
1C2-Cordless-Lithium-Ion-Compact/dp/B00ET5VMTU?source=3Dps-sl-shoppingads-l=
pcontext&amp;ref_=3Dfplfs&amp;smid=3DATVPDKIKX0DER&amp;th=3D1">https://www.=
amazon.com/Dewalt-DCD771C2-Cordless-Lithium-Ion-Compact/dp/B00ET5VMTU?sourc=
e=3Dps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&amp;ref_=3Dfplfs&amp;smid=3DATVPDKIKX0DER&a=
mp;th=3D1</A>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">you recommendations are always appreciated but=
 keep them under 150.00&nbsp;&nbsp; don't need all the included gizmos and =
bits and screwdrivers and carrying case...just a basic drill/charger and a<=
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI">couple of batteries</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Segoe UI"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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From: Eric Russell <[email-masked]>
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I have a DeWalt cordless drill. It has performed well. After many years the
batteries don't last as long as they used to. And of course a new drill
with new batteries & charger would cost less than replacing just the
batteries. And the current batteries are not backwards compatible.

EjR

On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 4:03=E2=80=AFPM john <[email-masked]> wrote:

> what is the consensus on a decent cordless drill for a homeowner/shop
> I finally let the smoke out of it (literally) yesterday and the torque
> setting ring is just about stripped...yea I overworked it
>
> the internet likes the Dewalt 20v  DCD771C2) for around a hundred bucks
> and that's pretty much in my budget.  It seems that Dewalt has
> at least 576 models of 1/2" drill depending on whats included and what
> month it is.
>
> Won't be used daily and certainly not trades type work...Just an above
> average shop guy at home
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Dewalt-DCD771C2-Cordless-Lithium-Ion-Compact/dp/B0=
0ET5VMTU?source=3Dps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=3Dfplfs&smid=3DATVPDKIKX=
0DER&th=3D1
>
>
> you recommendations are always appreciated but keep them under 150.00
> don't need all the included gizmos and bits and screwdrivers and carrying
> case...just a basic drill/charger and a
> couple of batteries
>
> john
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:large">I h=
ave a DeWalt cordless drill. It has performed well. After many years the ba=
tteries don&#39;t last as long as they used to. And of course a new drill w=
ith new batteries &amp; charger would cost less than replacing just the bat=
teries. And the current batteries are not backwards compatible.=C2=A0</div>=
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:large"><br></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:large">EjR=C2=A0</div></div><br><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Aug 2, =
2023 at 4:03=E2=80=AFPM john &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">jniolon=
@att.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-le=
ft:1ex">

<div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font><font face=3D"Segoe UI">what is the con=
sensus on a decent cordless drill for a homeowner/shop tinkerer/classic tru=
ck owner.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">I finally let the smoke out of it (literally) =
yesterday and the torque setting ring is just about stripped...yea I overwo=
rked it</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">the internet likes the Dewalt 20v=C2=A0 DCD771=
C2) for around a hundred bucks=C2=A0 and that&#39;s pretty much in my budge=
t.=C2=A0 It seems that Dewalt has</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">at least 576 models of 1/2&quot; drill dependi=
ng on whats included and what month it is.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">Won&#39;t be used daily and certainly not trad=
es type work...Just an above average shop guy at home</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"><a href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/Dewalt-DCD77=
1C2-Cordless-Lithium-Ion-Compact/dp/B00ET5VMTU?source=3Dps-sl-shoppingads-l=
pcontext&amp;ref_=3Dfplfs&amp;smid=3DATVPDKIKX0DER&amp;th=3D1" target=3D"_b=
lank">https://www.amazon.com/Dewalt-DCD771C2-Cordless-Lithium-Ion-Compact/d=
p/B00ET5VMTU?source=3Dps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&amp;ref_=3Dfplfs&amp;smid=
=3DATVPDKIKX0DER&amp;th=3D1</a>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">you recommendations are always appreciated but=
 keep them under 150.00=C2=A0=C2=A0 don&#39;t need all the included gizmos =
and bits and screwdrivers and carrying case...just a basic drill/charger an=
d a</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">couple of batteries</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
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From: Pat Horne <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2023 15:23:52 -0500

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John, I=E2=80=99ve been using DeWalt t power tools since the early 90s while=
 building houses with Habitat for Humanity & am very pleased with them. They=
 now have brushless motors which produce more torque & last the battery last=
s longer on each charge compared to earlier models.=20

Check out CPO outlets (cpooutlets.com) they sell factory refurbished tools &=
 excess stock. I have not been able to tell the difference between what they=
 sell & what Home Depot sells, including paperwork & box.=20

Peace, Pat

Pat Horne=20
We support Habitat for Humanity

On Aug 2, 2023, at 3:16 PM, john <[email-masked]> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
what is the consensus on a decent cordless drill for a homeowner/shop tinker=
er/classic truck owner.
I finally let the smoke out of it (literally) yesterday and the torque setti=
ng ring is just about stripped...yea I overworked it
=20
the internet likes the Dewalt 20v  DCD771C2) for around a hundred bucks  and=
 that's pretty much in my budget.  It seems that Dewalt has
at least 576 models of 1/2" drill depending on whats included and what month=
 it is.
=20
Won't be used daily and certainly not trades type work...Just an above avera=
ge shop guy at home
=20
https://www.amazon.com/Dewalt-DCD771C2-Cordless-Lithium-Ion-Compact/dp/B00ET=
5VMTU?source=3Dps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=3Dfplfs&smid=3DATVPDKIKX0DER=
&th=3D1   =20
=20
you recommendations are always appreciated but keep them under 150.00   don'=
t need all the included gizmos and bits and screwdrivers and carrying case..=
.just a basic drill/charger and a
couple of batteries
=20
john
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">John, I=E2=80=99ve been using DeWalt t powe=
r tools since the early 90s while building houses with Habitat for Humanity &=
amp; am very pleased with them. They now have brushless motors which produce=
 more torque &amp; last the battery lasts longer on each charge compared to e=
arlier models.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>Check out CPO outlets (cpooutlets.co=
m) they sell factory refurbished tools &amp; excess stock. I have not been a=
ble to tell the difference between what they sell &amp; what Home Depot sell=
s, including paperwork &amp; box.&nbsp;<br><br>Peace, Pat</div><div><br><div=
 dir=3D"ltr">Pat Horne&nbsp;<div>We support Habitat for Humanity</div><div><=
br></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Aug 2, 2023, at 3:16 PM, john &lt;jni=
[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF
<meta name=3D"GENERATOR" content=3D"MSHTML 11.00.10570.1001">

<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font><font face=3D"Segoe UI">what is the cons=
ensus on a decent cordless drill for a homeowner/shop tinkerer/classic truck=
 owner.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">I finally let the smoke out of it (literally) y=
esterday and the torque setting ring is just about stripped...yea I overwork=
ed it</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">the internet likes the Dewalt 20v&nbsp; DCD771C=
2) for around a hundred bucks&nbsp; and that's pretty much in my budget.&nbs=
p; It seems that Dewalt has</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">at least 576 models of 1/2" drill depending on w=
hats included and what month it is.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">Won't be used daily and certainly not trades ty=
pe work...Just an above average shop guy at home</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"><a href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/Dewalt-DCD771=
C2-Cordless-Lithium-Ion-Compact/dp/B00ET5VMTU?source=3Dps-sl-shoppingads-lpc=
ontext&amp;ref_=3Dfplfs&amp;smid=3DATVPDKIKX0DER&amp;th=3D1">https://www.ama=
zon.com/Dewalt-DCD771C2-Cordless-Lithium-Ion-Compact/dp/B00ET5VMTU?source=3D=
ps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&amp;ref_=3Dfplfs&amp;smid=3DATVPDKIKX0DER&amp;th=
=3D1</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">you recommendations are always appreciated but k=
eep them under 150.00&nbsp;&nbsp; don't need all the included gizmos and bit=
s and screwdrivers and carrying case...just a basic drill/charger and a</fon=
t></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">couple of batteries</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>&nbsp;</div>
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From: Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2023 16:25:33 -0400

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I started with blemished/reconditioned Ryobi One+ tools from DirectTool
(they are at the outlet mall near me, but also online).

https://www.directtoolsoutlet.com/

In ten years, ten tools and six batteries, I've only had one battery
failure.  The pros I work with turn up their noses at them, but for what I
do they are just fine.

Drill-driver and impact driver plus 2 batteries and a charger for $100

https://www.directtoolsoutlet.com/product/ZRPCL1200K2

On Wed, Aug 2, 2023, 16:13 john <[email-masked]> wrote:

> https://www.amazon.com/Dewalt-DCD771C2-Cordless-Lithium-Ion-Compact/dp/B00ET5VMTU?source=ps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=fplfs&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&th=1
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<div dir=3D"auto">I started with blemished/reconditioned Ryobi One+ tools f=
rom DirectTool (they are at the outlet mall near me, but also online).=C2=
=A0=C2=A0<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><a href=3D"https://w=
ww.directtoolsoutlet.com/">https://www.directtoolsoutlet.com/</a><br><div d=
ir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">In ten years, ten tools and six bat=
teries, I&#39;ve only had one battery failure.=C2=A0 The pros I work with t=
urn up their noses at them, but for what I do they are just fine.=C2=A0=C2=
=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Drill-driver and imp=
act driver plus 2 batteries and a charger for $100</div><div dir=3D"auto"><=
br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><a href=3D"https://www.directtoolsoutlet.com/pro=
duct/ZRPCL1200K2">https://www.directtoolsoutlet.com/product/ZRPCL1200K2</a>=
</div></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"=
gmail_attr">On Wed, Aug 2, 2023, 16:13 john &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jniolon@a=
tt.net">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_=
quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1=
ex">

<div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font><font face=3D"Segoe UI">what is the con=
sensus on a decent cordless drill for a homeowner/shop tinkerer/classic tru=
ck owner.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">I finally let the smoke out of it (literally) =
yesterday and the torque setting ring is just about stripped...yea I overwo=
rked it</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">the internet likes the Dewalt 20v=C2=A0 DCD771=
C2) for around a hundred bucks=C2=A0 and that&#39;s pretty much in my budge=
t.=C2=A0 It seems that Dewalt has</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">at least 576 models of 1/2&quot; drill dependi=
ng on whats included and what month it is.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">Won&#39;t be used daily and certainly not trad=
es type work...Just an above average shop guy at home</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"><a href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/Dewalt-DCD77=
1C2-Cordless-Lithium-Ion-Compact/dp/B00ET5VMTU?source=3Dps-sl-shoppingads-l=
pcontext&amp;ref_=3Dfplfs&amp;smid=3DATVPDKIKX0DER&amp;th=3D1" target=3D"_b=
lank" rel=3D"noreferrer">https://www.amazon.com/Dewalt-DCD771C2-Cordless-Li=
thium-Ion-Compact/dp/B00ET5VMTU?source=3Dps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&amp;re=
f_=3Dfplfs&amp;smid=3DATVPDKIKX0DER&amp;th=3D1</a>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0<=
/font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">you recommendations are always appreciated but=
 keep them under 150.00=C2=A0=C2=A0 don&#39;t need all the included gizmos =
and bits and screwdrivers and carrying case...just a basic drill/charger an=
d a</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">couple of batteries</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>=C2=A0</div>
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One thing I forgot to mention is that 20v drills are not that light & I=E2=80=
=99ve see it stated that most homeowners can get by with 12v units. But what=
=E2=80=99s the fun in =E2=80=9Cgetting by=E2=80=9D!

Pat Horne=20

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">One thing I forgot to mention is that 20v d=
rills are not that light &amp; I=E2=80=99ve see it stated that most homeowne=
rs can get by with 12v units. But what=E2=80=99s the fun in =E2=80=9Cgetting=
 by=E2=80=9D!<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Pat Horne&nbsp;<div>We support Habitat=
 for Humanity</div><div><br></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Aug 2, 2023,=
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I have this Makita drill:
https://www.amazon.com/Makita-XFD15ZB-Lithium-Ion-Sub-Compact-Driver-Drill/=
dp/B09BXZTGR1
It's extra-compact, but insanely strong.  I ended up getting some other
Makita tools that use the same batteries.

If DeWalt also sells a full-power compact drill, you should consider it.
They are lighter, and will fit in more places.

Doug

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>I have this Makita drill:=C2=A0 <a href=3D"https://ww=
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GR1">https://www.amazon.com/Makita-XFD15ZB-Lithium-Ion-Sub-Compact-Driver-D=
rill/dp/B09BXZTGR1</a></div><div>It&#39;s extra-compact, but insanely stron=
g.=C2=A0 I ended up getting some other Makita tools that use the same batte=
ries.</div><div><br></div><div>If DeWalt also sells a full-power compact dr=
ill, you should consider it.=C2=A0 They are lighter, and will fit in more p=
laces.</div><div><br></div><div>Doug<br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail=
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I went through this decision not that long ago. I focused mostly on Dewalt a=
nd Milwaukee, but also gave serious consideration to Craftsman and Ryobi. I w=
ent with Milwaukee M18 in the end because already have their M12 tools and l=
iked the fact that one charger could handle both batteries. I like the M18 t=
ools a lot, but am not sure I=E2=80=99d make the same decision today for two=
 related reasons. First, I am cheap and Dewalt (and the others) seem to go o=
n sale pretty regularly. Significant Milwaukee sales are rare. The other rea=
son is that the other manufacturers seem to have more tools available and th=
ey are introducing additional ones more frequently.  I used to buy tools fro=
m multiple brands and have too many different batteries and chargers. I am d=
etermined to stay focused on one brand and going with someone other than Mil=
waukee would have made that cheaper and easier. I know you are only looking a=
t a drill right now, but it doesn=E2=80=99t hurt to think ahead to other too=
ls you might want.=20

Hope that helps.=20

Jim

Sent from my iPhone

> what is the consensus on a decent cordless drill for a homeowner/shop tink=
erer/classic truck owner.
> I finally let the smoke out of it (literally) yesterday and the torque set=
ting ring is just about stripped...yea I overworked it
> =20
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nd that's pretty much in my budget.  It seems that Dewalt has
> at least 576 models of 1/2" drill depending on whats included and what mon=
th it is.
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rage shop guy at home
> =20
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go. I focused mostly on Dewalt and Milwaukee, but also gave serious consider=
ation to Craftsman and Ryobi. I went with Milwaukee M18 in the end because a=
lready have their M12 tools and liked the fact that one charger could handle=
 both batteries. I like the M18 tools a lot, but am not sure I=E2=80=99d mak=
e the same decision today&nbsp;for two related reasons. First, I am cheap an=
d Dewalt (and the others) seem to go on sale pretty regularly. Significant M=
ilwaukee sales are rare. The other reason is that the other manufacturers se=
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ny different batteries and chargers. I am determined to stay focused on one b=
rand and going with someone other than Milwaukee would have made that cheape=
r and easier. I know you are only looking at a drill right now, but it doesn=
=E2=80=99t hurt to think ahead to other tools you might want.&nbsp;<div><br>=
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I=E2=80=99ve been pleased with my Craftsman, purchased from Ace Hardware. St=
anley Black & Decker supplies them now.

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   So what you are saying is Festool is out of the question :)

   I have a Milwaukee kit that is 12v, purchased as a kit for $250, its 
2 tools, a drill and a impact driver.   I really like the setup and i 
looked into M18 drills since I liked it so much but found the weight to 
be too much so stuck with 12v.  Higher voltage is nice but weight goes 
up quickly and if you are doing any work above your head that will tire 
you out quickly.

  I do have a Festool drill also and those batteries last forever, I 
only have the Festool though because I loaned out my Milwaukee drill one 
time and needed a drill with a offset chuck, for a homeowner/hobbyist I 
do readily admit I have too many Festool toys.  The Milwaukee does 
everything the Festool does for 1/4th the price, except for the offset 
chuck.

     mike

> the internet likes the Dewalt 20v DCD771C2) for around a hundred 
> bucks  and that's pretty much in my budget.  It seems that Dewalt has
> <https://www.amazon.com/Dewalt-DCD771C2-Cordless-Lithium-Ion-Compact/dp/B00ET5VMTU?source=ps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=fplfs&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&th=1> 
>
> you recommendations are always appreciated but keep them under 
> 150.00   don't need all the included gizmos and bits and screwdrivers 
> and carrying case...just a basic drill/charger and a
> couple of batteries
> john

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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">  So what you are saying is Festool is
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">  I have a Milwaukee kit that is 12v,
      purchased as a kit for $250, its 2 tools, a drill and a impact
      driver.   I really like the setup and i looked into M18 drills
      since I liked it so much but found the weight to be too much so
      stuck with 12v.  Higher voltage is nice but weight goes up quickly
      and if you are doing any work above your head that will tire you
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix"> I do have a Festool drill also and
      those batteries last forever, I only have the Festool though
      because I loaned out my Milwaukee drill one time and needed a
      drill with a offset chuck, for a homeowner/hobbyist I do readily
      admit I have too many Festool toys.  The Milwaukee does everything
      the Festool does for 1/4th the price, except for the offset chuck.<br>
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              cordless drill for a homeowner/shop tinkerer/classic truck
              owner.</font></div>
          <div><font face="Segoe UI">I finally let the smoke out of it
              (literally) yesterday and the torque setting ring is just
              about stripped...yea I overworked it</font></div>
          <div> </div>
          <div><font face="Segoe UI">the internet likes the Dewalt 20v 
              DCD771C2) for around a hundred bucks  and that's pretty
              much in my budget.  It seems that Dewalt has</font></div>
          <div><font face="Segoe UI">at least 576 models of 1/2" drill
              depending on whats included and what month it is.</font></div>
          <div> </div>
          <div><font face="Segoe UI">Won't be used daily and certainly
              not trades type work...Just an above average shop guy at
              home</font></div>
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          <div><font face="Segoe UI">you recommendations are always
              appreciated but keep them under 150.00   don't need all
              the included gizmos and bits and screwdrivers and carrying
              case...just a basic drill/charger and a</font></div>
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I'll throw in with the group that is quite happy with the Ryobi tools. I
find the termination of lines of batteries (forcing an expensive battery
guts replacement) terribly frustrating, so I like that Ryobi's 18v tools
all (that I've seen) interchange. Started with a drill/reciprocating saw
combo, then got a blower/weed eater combo, then multi-tool, sander, extra
batteries - all when found on sale. I've found no incompatibilities between
batteries and tools, and despite some ham-handling on my family's part,
they've all survived.

Plus, when they're in a Project Farm lineup, quite often they seem to end
up towards the upper part of the pack.

In fact, right now, you can pick up a drill/driver/hammer with two
batteries for $129 at Home Depot. They're having a sale.

Link to sale page here
<https://www.homedepot.com/b/Tools/RYOBI/Super-Savings/N-5yc1vZc1xyZm5dZ1z1=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I&#39;ll throw in with=C2=A0the group that is quite happy =
with=C2=A0the Ryobi tools. I find the termination of lines of batteries (fo=
rcing an expensive battery guts replacement) terribly frustrating, so I lik=
e that Ryobi&#39;s 18v tools all (that I&#39;ve seen) interchange. Started =
with a drill/reciprocating saw combo, then got a blower/weed eater combo, t=
hen multi-tool, sander, extra batteries - all when found on sale. I&#39;ve =
found no incompatibilities between batteries and tools, and despite some ha=
m-handling on my family&#39;s part, they&#39;ve all survived.=C2=A0<div><br=
></div><div>Plus, when they&#39;re in a Project Farm lineup, quite often th=
ey seem to end up towards the upper part of the pack.</div><div><br></div><=
div>In fact, right now, you can pick up a drill/driver/hammer with two batt=
eries for $129 at Home Depot. They&#39;re having a sale.</div><div><br></di=
v><div>Link to sale page <a href=3D"https://www.homedepot.com/b/Tools/RYOBI=
/Super-Savings/N-5yc1vZc1xyZm5dZ1z1phe1?sortorder=3Dasc&amp;sortby=3Dprice&=
amp;Nao=3D24">here</a>.</div><div><br></div><div>-Peter</div></div><br><div=
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 2023 at 4:15=E2=80=AFPM john &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">jniolo=
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From: Drew Rogge <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2023 20:57:53 -0700

I have a couple of Dewalt cordless drills and a corded one.. The chucks on all three were/are junk. The chuck on the corded drill would never grab on to a bit. I eventually replaced the chuck with one from an old 7V(?) Makita and all was better. The chucks on my newer Dewalt cordless units both have the "feature" that every time you stop the motor from high RPMs they will "automatically" loosen to where the bit falls out :-) It could be the braking feature of the drill doing this.

To end on a positive note, my cordless tools of choice are Makita 18V. As far as I know the same batteries fit all their tools. If I didn't already hav a number of Makita tools I'd seriously think about Milwaukee.

One thing I truly believe in is to pick one manufacturer and stick with them. That way you don't have a bunch of different chargers hanging around.\

Drew

On 8/2/23 12:20 PM, john wrote:
> what is the consensus on a decent cordless drill for a homeowner/shop tinkerer/classic truck owner.
> I finally let the smoke out of it (literally) yesterday and the torque setting ring is just about stripped...yea I overworked it
> the internet likes the Dewalt 20v DCD771C2) for around a hundred bucks  and that's pretty much in my budget.  It seems that Dewalt has
> at least 576 models of 1/2" drill depending on whats included and what month it is.
> Won't be used daily and certainly not trades type work...Just an above average shop guy at home
> https://www.amazon.com/Dewalt-DCD771C2-Cordless-Lithium-Ion-Compact/dp/B00ET5VMTU?source=ps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=fplfs&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&th=1 <https://www.amazon.com/Dewalt-DCD771C2-Cordless-Lithium-Ion-Compact/dp/B00ET5VMTU?source=ps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=fplfs&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&th=1>
> you recommendations are always appreciated but keep them under 150.00   don't need all the included gizmos and bits and screwdrivers and carrying case...just a basic drill/charger and a
> couple of batteries
> john
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I'll add another vote for Makita.  I have a bunch of the 18V with 5Ah
batteries and a couple double-battery fast chargers.  As other said, I like
being able to use the batteries in everything from my drill or impact to my
string trimmer or leaf blower.  I have a 2Ah IIRC in a small drill that is
quite light and easy to carry up ladders, etc.

Best,
Ian

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=C2=A0 As other said, I like being able to use the batteries in everything =
from my drill or impact to my string trimmer or leaf blower.=C2=A0 I have a=
 2Ah IIRC in a small drill that is quite light and easy to carry up ladders=
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Rememebr you're buying a platform unless you're from another planet and =
will only ever buy the drill :-)

For home maintenance hobbyist car stuff the Ryobi will be fine. For "I'm =
putting an addition on my house" then I like DeWalt 20v stuff.=20

Ryobi had a 4" or so circular saw an ex lent me and it was great for =
cutting cedar shingles while on a pitched roof. Anything =
heavier/stronger would have been unusable. Ryobi also has a line of =
garden tools that might share a battery platform.=20

jim

> On Aug 2, 2023, at 3:20 PM, john <[email-masked]> wrote:
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> I finally let the smoke out of it (literally) yesterday and the torque =
> =20
> the internet likes the Dewalt 20v  DCD771C2) for around a hundred =
> at least 576 models of 1/2" drill depending on whats included and what =
month it is.
> =20
> Won't be used daily and certainly not trades type work...Just an above =
average shop guy at home
> =
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ET5VMTU?source=3Dps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=3Dfplfs&smid=3DATVPDKIKX=
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0ET5VMTU?source=3Dps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=3Dfplfs&smid=3DATVPDKIK=
X0DER&th=3D1>   =20
> =20
> you recommendations are always appreciated but keep them under 150.00  =
 don't need all the included gizmos and bits and screwdrivers and =
carrying case...just a basic drill/charger and a
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class=3D"">Rememebr you're buying a platform unless you're from another =
planet and will only ever buy the drill :-)<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">For home maintenance hobbyist car stuff =
the Ryobi will be fine. For "I'm putting an addition on my house" then I =
like DeWalt 20v stuff.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Ryobi had a 4" or so circular saw an ex =
lent me and it was great for cutting cedar shingles while on a pitched =
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platform.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">jim<br class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite"=
 class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Aug 2, 2023, at 3:20 PM, john &lt;<a =
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<div class=3D""><font face=3D"Segoe UI" class=3D""></font><font =
face=3D"Segoe UI" class=3D"">what is the consensus on a decent cordless =
drill for a homeowner/shop tinkerer/classic truck owner.</font></div>
<div class=3D""><font face=3D"Segoe UI" class=3D"">I finally let the =
smoke out of it (literally) yesterday and the torque setting ring is =
just about stripped...yea I overworked it</font></div>
<div class=3D""><font face=3D"Segoe UI" class=3D""></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D""><font face=3D"Segoe UI" class=3D"">the internet likes =
the Dewalt 20v&nbsp; DCD771C2) for around a hundred bucks&nbsp; and =
that's pretty much in my budget.&nbsp; It seems that Dewalt =
has</font></div>
<div class=3D""><font face=3D"Segoe UI" class=3D"">at least 576 models =
of 1/2" drill depending on whats included and what month it =
is.</font></div>
<div class=3D""><font face=3D"Segoe UI" class=3D""></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D""><font face=3D"Segoe UI" class=3D"">Won't be used daily =
and certainly not trades type work...Just an above average shop guy at =
home</font></div>
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smid=3DATVPDKIKX0DER&amp;th=3D1" =
class=3D"">https://www.amazon.com/Dewalt-DCD771C2-Cordless-Lithium-Ion-Com=
pact/dp/B00ET5VMTU?source=3Dps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&amp;ref_=3Dfplfs&a=
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are always appreciated but keep them under 150.00&nbsp;&nbsp; don't need =
all the included gizmos and bits and screwdrivers and carrying =
case...just a basic drill/charger and a</font></div>
<div class=3D""><font face=3D"Segoe UI" class=3D"">couple of =
batteries</font></div>
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OK, this has generated a ton of traffic, so I'll weigh in.

I'm a yellow and black guy.  Dewalt is my go to for cordless.  They are 
solid and have tools you've never even heard of before.

They have adaptors so you can use the old 18v NiCd with the new 20 Li 
batteries. So you can get the NOS tools for pennies on the dollar and they 
will work with the new batteries.

I often found that I ended up with a few 'combo' kits that had duplicate 
tools in them.  But what is REALLY confusing about Dewalt, is that they 
seem to change part numbers like the weather.  I have about 4 circ saws, 
all with different parts numbers and each one is slightly different.  So 
it's impossible to compare them to other brands, and even themselves.  But 
they have a 4", 6" and 9" (I think they may have a 12" one as well.) So 
you can get the size(s) that you need.

The good news is, that you can get a 'heavy' drill driver and a 'light' or 
'compact' drill driver and have both of them for not much money with 
dewalt.

With that said, the only tool I will NOT recommend from Dewalt is their 
electric chainsaw.  It has 2 major design issues that they have yet to 
address.  (they constantly leak the bar oil and they have only a single 
plastic screw to hold the bar and chain on with, and it's cam'ed so you 
can't even tighten it much.

I wrote dewalt after i purchased the chainsaw and they never responded. So 
I bought a Milwalkee Fuel one and it is 'streets ahead' of the Dewalt.  I 
also bought the pole chainsaw from them.  So those are my only red tools.

But every other dewalt tool I have has been great. 

Oh, except if you have to remove their chucks.  A TERRIBLE design and if 
you want to replace a chuck, you may not be able to remove the old one.

Moose
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<font size=2 face="sans-serif">OK, this has generated a ton of traffic,
so I'll weigh in.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I'm a yellow and black guy. &nbsp;Dewalt
is my go to for cordless. &nbsp;They are solid and have tools you've never
even heard of before.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">They have adaptors so you can use the
old 18v NiCd with the new 20 Li batteries. So you can get the NOS tools
for pennies on the dollar and they will work with the new batteries.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I often found that I ended up with a
few 'combo' kits that had duplicate tools in them. &nbsp;But what is REALLY
confusing about Dewalt, is that they seem to change part numbers like the
weather. &nbsp;I have about 4 circ saws, all with different parts numbers
and each one is slightly different. &nbsp;So it's impossible to compare
them to other brands, and even themselves. &nbsp;But they have a 4&quot;,
6&quot; and 9&quot; (I think they may have a 12&quot; one as well.) So
you can get the size(s) that you need.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">The good news is, that you can get a
'heavy' drill driver and a 'light' or 'compact' drill driver and have both
of them for not much money with dewalt.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">With that said, the only tool I will
NOT recommend from Dewalt is their electric chainsaw. &nbsp;It has 2 major
design issues that they have yet to address. &nbsp;(they constantly leak
the bar oil and they have only a single plastic screw to hold the bar and
chain on with, and it's cam'ed so you can't even tighten it much.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I wrote dewalt after i purchased the
chainsaw and they never responded. &nbsp;So I bought a Milwalkee Fuel one
and it is 'streets ahead' of the Dewalt. &nbsp;I also bought the pole chainsaw
from them. &nbsp;So those are my only red tools.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">But every other dewalt tool I have has
been great. &nbsp;</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Oh, except if you have to remove their
chucks. &nbsp;A TERRIBLE design and if you want to replace a chuck, you
may not be able to remove the old one.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Moose</font>
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Thanks, Moose for your input. I=E2=80=99ve been using DeWalt since the 14.4v=
 days building houses & haven=E2=80=99t had enough trouble to mention (excep=
t for the anemic 14.4v circular saw). I=E2=80=99ve cut back on my housebuild=
ing lately but still buy a tool or two from time to time. If cordless, then t=
hey are DeWalt.=20

I also see lots of specialty tools coming out of Milwaukee that I don=E2=80=99=
t see from other companies which is good for them but since I=E2=80=99m not n=
eeding to do those trades all the time, I=E2=80=99m not interested in changi=
ng colors.=20

Peace, Pat

Pat Horne=20

On Aug 3, 2023, at 5:21 PM, [email-masked] wrote:

=EF=BB=BFOK, this has generated a ton of traffic, so I'll weigh in.=20

I'm a yellow and black guy.  Dewalt is my go to for cordless.  They are soli=
d and have tools you've never even heard of before.=20

They have adaptors so you can use the old 18v NiCd with the new 20 Li batter=
ies. So you can get the NOS tools for pennies on the dollar and they will wo=
rk with the new batteries.=20

I often found that I ended up with a few 'combo' kits that had duplicate too=
ls in them.  But what is REALLY confusing about Dewalt, is that they seem to=
 change part numbers like the weather.  I have about 4 circ saws, all with d=
ifferent parts numbers and each one is slightly different.  So it's impossib=
le to compare them to other brands, and even themselves.  But they have a 4"=
, 6" and 9" (I think they may have a 12" one as well.) So you can get the si=
ze(s) that you need.=20

The good news is, that you can get a 'heavy' drill driver and a 'light' or '=
compact' drill driver and have both of them for not much money with dewalt.=20=

With that said, the only tool I will NOT recommend from Dewalt is their elec=
tric chainsaw.  It has 2 major design issues that they have yet to address. =
 (they constantly leak the bar oil and they have only a single plastic screw=
 to hold the bar and chain on with, and it's cam'ed so you can't even tighte=
n it much.=20

I wrote dewalt after i purchased the chainsaw and they never responded.  So I=
 bought a Milwalkee Fuel one and it is 'streets ahead' of the Dewalt.  I als=
o bought the pole chainsaw from them.  So those are my only red tools.=20

But every other dewalt tool I have has been great.  =20

Oh, except if you have to remove their chucks.  A TERRIBLE design and if you=
 want to replace a chuck, you may not be able to remove the old one.=20

Moose_______________________________________________

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Thanks, Moose for your input. I=E2=80=99ve b=
een using DeWalt since the 14.4v days building houses &amp; haven=E2=80=99t h=
ad enough trouble to mention (except for the anemic 14.4v circular saw). I=E2=
=80=99ve cut back on my housebuilding lately but still buy a tool or two fro=
m time to time. If cordless, then they are DeWalt.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>=
I also see lots of specialty tools coming out of Milwaukee that I don=E2=80=99=
t see from other companies which is good for them but since I=E2=80=99m not n=
eeding to do those trades all the time, I=E2=80=99m not interested in changi=
ng colors.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Peace, Pat<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr"=
>Pat Horne&nbsp;<div>We support Habitat for Humanity</div><div><br></div></d=
iv><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Aug 3, 2023, at 5:21 PM, [email-masked] wrote:=
<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif"=
>OK, this has generated a ton of traffic,
so I'll weigh in.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I'm a yellow and black guy. &nbsp;D=
ewalt
is my go to for cordless. &nbsp;They are solid and have tools you've never
even heard of before.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">They have adaptors so you can use t=
he
old 18v NiCd with the new 20 Li batteries. So you can get the NOS tools
for pennies on the dollar and they will work with the new batteries.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I often found that I ended up with a=

few 'combo' kits that had duplicate tools in them. &nbsp;But what is REALLY
confusing about Dewalt, is that they seem to change part numbers like the
weather. &nbsp;I have about 4 circ saws, all with different parts numbers
and each one is slightly different. &nbsp;So it's impossible to compare
them to other brands, and even themselves. &nbsp;But they have a 4",
6" and 9" (I think they may have a 12" one as well.) So
you can get the size(s) that you need.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">The good news is, that you can get a=

'heavy' drill driver and a 'light' or 'compact' drill driver and have both
of them for not much money with dewalt.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">With that said, the only tool I wil=
l
NOT recommend from Dewalt is their electric chainsaw. &nbsp;It has 2 major
design issues that they have yet to address. &nbsp;(they constantly leak
the bar oil and they have only a single plastic screw to hold the bar and
chain on with, and it's cam'ed so you can't even tighten it much.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I wrote dewalt after i purchased th=
e
chainsaw and they never responded. &nbsp;So I bought a Milwalkee Fuel one
and it is 'streets ahead' of the Dewalt. &nbsp;I also bought the pole chains=
aw
from them. &nbsp;So those are my only red tools.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">But every other dewalt tool I have h=
as
been great. &nbsp;</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Oh, except if you have to remove th=
eir
chucks. &nbsp;A TERRIBLE design and if you want to replace a chuck, you
may not be able to remove the old one.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Moose</font><span>_________________=
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From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2023 19:58:59 -0500

On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 5:17 PM <[email-masked]> wrote:
> I'm a yellow and black guy.  Dewalt is my go to for cordless.  They are solid and have tools you've never even heard of before.
>
> They have adaptors so you can use the old 18v NiCd with the new 20 Li batteries. So you can get the NOS tools for pennies on the dollar and they will work with the new batteries.
>

One of the reasons the old nicad tools are cheap is because they suck,
compared to modern tools of any brand, even cheap ones.  They're
designed around the power output of the battery pack, and the nicad or
NiMH batteries didn't provide much power.  This is perfectly fine for
things that don't draw much power, but it's pretty limiting for
anything that drills, saws, or grinds.   it's also why cordless saws
used to be so incredibly gutless, but there are now cordless table
saws that work as well as most jobsite corded table saws.

Discharge current of a sub-c nicad (the cell in most nicad tool
battery packs)  is somewhere around 2 to 4 A; the lithium cells used
in modern tools can produce 10 to 30A depending on the particular
cells in the pack; milwaukee high output packs[1] (which use
physically larger 21700 cells, instead of 18650 in their other packs,
and commonly used by everyone else) can go even higher.  That means
18V lithium packs with three sets of cells in parallel have more
potential power output than a 15A 120V receptacle, and tools with a
pair of batteries (common for miter and table saws) are quite capable
of taking advantage of that.

[1] pretty sure other brands have 21700 packs, too.

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David Scheidt
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The Dewalt 20v 6ah pack uses 21700 cells as well.  Expensive, but there is
a noticeable improvement for SOME tools.  The DCF-900 storm-bringer 1/2
impact driver benefits from the extra current.  The 1/2" hammer drill I
have does not seem to care about it.

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> On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 5:17=E2=80=AFPM <[email-masked]> wrote:
> >
> batteries. So you can get the NOS tools for pennies on the dollar and the=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">The Dewalt 20v 6ah pack uses 21700 cells as well.=C2=A0 Ex=
pensive, but there is a noticeable improvement for SOME tools.=C2=A0 The DC=
F-900 storm-bringer 1/2 impact driver benefits from the extra current.=C2=
=A0 The 1/2&quot; hammer drill I have does not seem to care about it.<br></=
div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On=
 Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 8:32=E2=80=AFPM David Scheidt &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dm=
[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px sol=
id rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 5:17=E2=80=AFP=
M &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">eric@megageek.=
com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; OK, this has generated a ton of traffic, so I&#39;ll weigh in.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I&#39;m a yellow and black guy.=C2=A0 Dewalt is my go to for cordless.=
=C2=A0 They are solid and have tools you&#39;ve never even heard of before.=
<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; They have adaptors so you can use the old 18v NiCd with the new 20 Li =
batteries. So you can get the NOS tools for pennies on the dollar and they =
will work with the new batteries.<br>
&gt;<br>
<br>
One of the reasons the old nicad tools are cheap is because they suck,<br>
compared to modern tools of any brand, even cheap ones.=C2=A0 They&#39;re<b=
r>
designed around the power output of the battery pack, and the nicad or<br>
NiMH batteries didn&#39;t provide much power.=C2=A0 This is perfectly fine =
for<br>
things that don&#39;t draw much power, but it&#39;s pretty limiting for<br>
anything that drills, saws, or grinds.=C2=A0 =C2=A0it&#39;s also why cordle=
ss saws<br>
used to be so incredibly gutless, but there are now cordless table<br>
saws that work as well as most jobsite corded table saws.<br>
<br>
Discharge current of a sub-c nicad (the cell in most nicad tool<br>
battery packs)=C2=A0 is somewhere around 2 to 4 A; the lithium cells used<b=
r>
in modern tools can produce 10 to 30A depending on the particular<br>
cells in the pack; milwaukee high output packs[1] (which use<br>
physically larger 21700 cells, instead of 18650 in their other packs,<br>
and commonly used by everyone else) can go even higher.=C2=A0 That means<br=
18V lithium packs with three sets of cells in parallel have more<br>
potential power output than a 15A 120V receptacle, and tools with a<br>
pair of batteries (common for miter and table saws) are quite capable<br>
of taking advantage of that.<br>
<br>
[1] pretty sure other brands have 21700 packs, too.<br>
<br>
-- <br>
David Scheidt<br>
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m</a><br>
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From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2023 21:52:53 -0500

On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 8:36 PM John Innis <[email-masked]> wrote:
>
> The Dewalt 20v 6ah pack uses 21700 cells as well.  Expensive, but there is a noticeable improvement for SOME tools.  The DCF-900 storm-bringer 1/2 impact driver benefits from the extra current.  The 1/2" hammer drill I have does not seem to care about it.
>

Motors have a maximum current they can use, and a battery that can
supply higher current doesn't provide any added run time.  (that's the
case of nicad tools running on an li-ion battery).  But if you give it
less, it will produce less power.  The first cordless oscilllating
multi tool I had was an m12 that came with a small battery, w/ one set
of sells in series.  It was garbage, couldn't cut at all, battery
lasted no time at all.  Put an XC battery on it, with two sets of
cells in parallel, and it worked much better, and the battery lasted
longer than you'd have predicted based on capacity.  (it was still
crap.  The m12 fuel currently available is worlds better, though.)

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