Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] homeowner/ shop guy cordless drill

From: Paul Parkanzky <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2023 18:18:29 -0400

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I have an assortment of Bosch 18V, Milwaukee M18, and Milwaukee M12.=20

They=E2=80=99re all great. I have the M18 1/2=E2=80=9D high-torque impact gu=
n and it=E2=80=99s an absolute beast. I have two of the Bosch 18V impact dri=
vers and they=E2=80=99re awesome but depending on the job the M12 =E2=80=9Ca=
ssembly driver=E2=80=9D or the M12 fuel impact driver are handier.

My experience with the M12 stuff is that if it has =E2=80=9CFuel=E2=80=9D on=
 the side of it it=E2=80=99s going to be pretty good. Not quite as heavy dut=
y as the M18 but way lighter. I have the oscillating multi-tool, the =E2=80=9C=
Hackzall,=E2=80=9D the high speed ratchet (life changing), and tons of other=
 stuff.  One of my favorites lately is the M12 inflator. Screw it onto a tir=
e, set the pressure, hit =E2=80=9Cgo=E2=80=9D and walk away. It fills it whi=
le you do other stuff. It=E2=80=99s awesome for picking trailers or stored v=
ehicles up at my barn and finding a low tire.

I=E2=80=99m a huge fan of the M12 stuff and if I didn=E2=80=99t need the M18=
 batteries to run the big impact gun or the hedge trimmer/pole saw/edger/str=
ing trimmer I would go exclusively M12.

-Paul

> On Aug 2, 2023, at 6:02 PM, Pat Horne <[email-masked]> wrote:
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> =EF=BB=BFOne thing I forgot to mention is that 20v drills are not that lig=
ht & I=E2=80=99ve see it stated that most homeowners can get by with 12v uni=
ts. But what=E2=80=99s the fun in =E2=80=9Cgetting by=E2=80=9D!
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> Pat Horne=20
> We support Habitat for Humanity
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> On Aug 2, 2023, at 3:16 PM, john <[email-masked]> wrote:
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> =EF=BB=BF
> what is the consensus on a decent cordless drill for a homeowner/shop tink=
erer/classic truck owner.
> I finally let the smoke out of it (literally) yesterday and the torque set=
ting ring is just about stripped...yea I overworked it
> =20
> the internet likes the Dewalt 20v  DCD771C2) for around a hundred bucks  a=
nd that's pretty much in my budget.  It seems that Dewalt has
> at least 576 models of 1/2" drill depending on whats included and what mon=
th it is.
> =20
> Won't be used daily and certainly not trades type work...Just an above ave=
rage shop guy at home
> =20
> https://www.amazon.com/Dewalt-DCD771C2-Cordless-Lithium-Ion-Compact/dp/B00=
ET5VMTU?source=3Dps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=3Dfplfs&smid=3DATVPDKIKX0D=
ER&th=3D1   =20
> =20
> you recommendations are always appreciated but keep them under 150.00   do=
n't need all the included gizmos and bits and screwdrivers and carrying case=
...just a basic drill/charger and a
> couple of batteries
> =20
> john
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">I have an assortment of Bosch 18V, Milwauke=
e M18, and Milwaukee M12.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>They=E2=80=99re all great=
. I have the M18 1/2=E2=80=9D high-torque impact gun and it=E2=80=99s an abs=
olute beast. I have two of the Bosch 18V impact drivers and they=E2=80=99re a=
wesome but depending on the job the M12 =E2=80=9Cassembly driver=E2=80=9D or=
 the M12 fuel impact driver are handier.</div><div><br></div><div>My experie=
nce with the M12 stuff is that if it has =E2=80=9CFuel=E2=80=9D on the side o=
f it it=E2=80=99s going to be pretty good. Not quite as heavy duty as the M1=
8 but way lighter. I have the oscillating multi-tool, the =E2=80=9CHackzall,=
=E2=80=9D the high speed ratchet (life changing), and tons of other stuff. &=
nbsp;One of my favorites lately is the M12 inflator. Screw it onto a tire, s=
et the pressure, hit =E2=80=9Cgo=E2=80=9D and walk away. It fills it while y=
ou do other stuff. It=E2=80=99s awesome for picking trailers or stored vehic=
les up at my barn and finding a low tire.</div><div><br></div><div>I=E2=80=99=
m a huge fan of the M12 stuff and if I didn=E2=80=99t need the M18 batteries=
 to run the big impact gun or the hedge trimmer/pole saw/edger/string trimme=
r I would go exclusively M12.<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">-Paul</div><div dir=3D=
"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Aug 2, 2023, at 6:02 PM, Pat Horne &l=
t;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote typ=
e=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" conte=
nt=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">One thing I forgot to mention is that 20v d=
rills are not that light &amp; I=E2=80=99ve see it stated that most homeowne=
rs can get by with 12v units. But what=E2=80=99s the fun in =E2=80=9Cgetting=
 by=E2=80=9D!<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Pat Horne&nbsp;<div>We support Habitat=
 for Humanity</div><div><br></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Aug 2, 2023,=
 at 3:16 PM, john &lt;[email-masked]&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"lt=
r">=EF=BB=BF
<meta name=3D"GENERATOR" content=3D"MSHTML 11.00.10570.1001">

<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font><font face=3D"Segoe UI">what is the cons=
ensus on a decent cordless drill for a homeowner/shop tinkerer/classic truck=
 owner.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">I finally let the smoke out of it (literally) y=
esterday and the torque setting ring is just about stripped...yea I overwork=
ed it</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">the internet likes the Dewalt 20v&nbsp; DCD771C=
2) for around a hundred bucks&nbsp; and that's pretty much in my budget.&nbs=
p; It seems that Dewalt has</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">at least 576 models of 1/2" drill depending on w=
hats included and what month it is.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">Won't be used daily and certainly not trades ty=
pe work...Just an above average shop guy at home</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"><a href=3D"https://www.amazon.com/Dewalt-DCD771=
C2-Cordless-Lithium-Ion-Compact/dp/B00ET5VMTU?source=3Dps-sl-shoppingads-lpc=
ontext&amp;ref_=3Dfplfs&amp;smid=3DATVPDKIKX0DER&amp;th=3D1">https://www.ama=
zon.com/Dewalt-DCD771C2-Cordless-Lithium-Ion-Compact/dp/B00ET5VMTU?source=3D=
ps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&amp;ref_=3Dfplfs&amp;smid=3DATVPDKIKX0DER&amp;th=
=3D1</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">you recommendations are always appreciated but k=
eep them under 150.00&nbsp;&nbsp; don't need all the included gizmos and bit=
s and screwdrivers and carrying case...just a basic drill/charger and a</fon=
t></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI">couple of batteries</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Segoe UI"></font>&nbsp;</div>
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From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2023 10:50:52 -0500

> On Aug 2, 2023, at 16:57, Pat Horne <[email-masked]> wrote:
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> One thing I forgot to mention is that 20v drills are not that light & I’ve see it stated that most homeowners can get by with 12v units. But what’s the fun in “getting by”!

I own an inordinate number of Milwaukee cordless tools, across m18 and m12.  I rarely  use the m18 drills or impact drivers, using the m12 Fuel stuff instead. It’s lighter, smaller, and gets the job done.  If you are buying, it’s cheaper, too.  M18 makes sense for saws and grinders, though the mini portaband is awesome, even with nly a 3” cut.  Remember, good modern 12v stuff is better than any cordless tool was 20 years ago, any brand any voltage. 

 I would use the m18 drills and drivers if I were building a deck or something where there are lots of long screws.  It’s not that the m12 impact won’t sink 3” deck screws, it totally will, but the m18 is faster.  For most things, this doesn’t matter.  Consider a job like hanging a door. You might be sinking 20 screws. If it takes 10 seconds longer per screw, it’s three minutes extra for the whole job. Big deal, light weight wins.  For a deck, where there are hundreds of screws, it matters more, but if I only had my m12 stuff, I would not rush out and buy the m18. 

I see lots of plumbers and electricians who only use m18 for the special tools that need it, routine use stuff is all m12. 

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