Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] LED motion lights

From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2023 07:57:15 -0500

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> On Jun 28, 2023, at 06:59, [email-masked] wrote:
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> =EF=BB=BFOb Shop Content, I need these all around my shop!  8>)=20
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> braintrust...=20
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> I have been in a constant battle to find an LED outdoor motion light that w=
ill work for more than a year or two.=20
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> I've tried cheap ones, expensive ones, and nearly everything in between.=20=

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> Can someone recommend a brand/model that they have had good success with? =
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Are you using integrated led lights?  If so, my experience is anything sold a=
t box stores are garbage, no one is willing to pay for something that=E2=80=99=
s not. Get a fixture that takes bulbs, put led par bulbs in them. At least i=
t=E2=80=99s possible to replace failed bulbs.=20
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find an LED outdoor motion light that will work for more than a year or
two.</font>
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<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I've tried cheap ones, expensive on=
es,
and nearly everything in between.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Can someone recommend a brand/model=

that they have had good success with? &nbsp;I am looking for hardwired
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Any ideas what the failure mode was for the fixtures that have died?  
Were they the style that had non-replaceable LEDs or were they the 
old-school style that use screw-in bulbs?

On 6/28/23 07:45, [email-masked] wrote:
> Ob Shop Content, I need these all around my shop!  8>)
>
> braintrust...
>
> I have been in a constant battle to find an LED outdoor motion light 
> that will work for more than a year or two.
>
> I've tried cheap ones, expensive ones, and nearly everything in between.
>
> Can someone recommend a brand/model that they have had good success 
> with?  I am looking for hardwired ones only, not the solar battery ones.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Moose
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Any ideas what the failure mode was for
      the fixtures that have died?  Were they the style that had
      non-replaceable LEDs or were they the old-school style that use
      screw-in bulbs?<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/28/23 07:45, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>
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      <font size="2" face="sans-serif">Ob Shop Content, I need these all
        around
        my shop!  8&gt;)</font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font size="2" face="sans-serif">braintrust...</font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font size="2" face="sans-serif">I have been in a constant battle
        to
        find an LED outdoor motion light that will work for more than a
        year or
        two.</font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font size="2" face="sans-serif">I've tried cheap ones, expensive
        ones,
        and nearly everything in between.</font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font size="2" face="sans-serif">Can someone recommend a
        brand/model
        that they have had good success with?  I am looking for
        hardwired
        ones only, not the solar battery ones.</font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font size="2" face="sans-serif">Thanks.</font>
      <br>
      <br>
      <font size="2" face="sans-serif">Moose</font>
      <br>
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From: Paul Parkanzky <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2023 10:00:25 -0400

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I use the Wyze Cam Floodlight. It might be a bit more technology than you
are looking for but it's nice to be able to set the behavior and
sensitivity from the app and I'm a big fan of Wyze cameras so this puts one
in a great spot for me. I've been using mine to watch a crew do demolition
on my lakefront and put a new seawall and retaining wall in.

-Paul

On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 8:03=E2=80=AFAM <[email-masked]> wrote:

> I have been in a constant battle to find an LED outdoor motion light that
> will work for more than a year or two.
>
> Can someone recommend a brand/model that they have had good success with?
> I am looking for hardwired ones only, not the solar battery ones.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Moose_______________________________________________
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I use the Wyze Cam Floodlight. It might be a bit more tech=
nology than you are looking for but it&#39;s nice to be able to set the beh=
avior and sensitivity from the app and I&#39;m a big fan of Wyze cameras so=
 this puts one in a great spot for me. I&#39;ve been using mine to watch a =
crew do demolition on my lakefront and put a new seawall and retaining wall=
 in.<div><br></div><div>-Paul</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><di=
v dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 8:03=E2=80=AFAM =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<b=
r></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font size=3D"2" =
face=3D"sans-serif">Ob Shop Content, I need these all around
my shop! =C2=A08&gt;)</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">braintrust...</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I have been in a constant battle t=
o
find an LED outdoor motion light that will work for more than a year or
two.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">I&#39;ve tried cheap ones, expensi=
ve ones,
and nearly everything in between.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Can someone recommend a brand/mode=
l
that they have had good success with?=C2=A0 I am looking for hardwired
ones only, not the solar battery ones.</font>
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<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Thanks.</font>
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From: Jeff Scarbrough <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2023 10:02:07 -0400

My experience with motion detecting fixtures is that the electronic
board fails before the lamps do.  I suspect lightning or surges - I
don't know if a whole-house surge protector would help.

On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 9:37 AM David Scheidt <[email-masked]> wrote:
> I have been in a constant battle to find an LED outdoor motion light that will work for more than a year or two.
>
> Can someone recommend a brand/model that they have had good success with?  I am looking for hardwired ones only, not the solar
>
>
> Are you using integrated led lights?  If so, my experience is anything sold at box stores are garbage, no one is willing to pay for something that’s not. Get a fixture that takes bulbs, put led par bulbs in them. At least it’s possible to replace failed bulbs.
>
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I guess I should have stated that I've been having problems finding one 
for decades.  I had the old style with screw in bulbs (BEFORE there were 
even LEDs.)  I've tried the build in LEDs.

They mostly fail by either never turning off, or never turning on (and 
yes, I'm aware that some have 'overrides' where you turn it and off with 
the switch and it works normal, this wasn't the case.)  the last one would 
flash on and off constantly and night.

From:   Jimmie Mayfield <[email-masked]>
To:     [email-masked]
Date:   06/28/2023 11:03 AM
Subject:        Re: [Shop-talk] LED motion lights
Sent by:        "Shop-talk" <[email-masked]>

Any ideas what the failure mode was for the fixtures that have died?  Were 
they the style that had non-replaceable LEDs or were they the old-school 
style that use screw-in bulbs?

braintrust... 

Thanks. 

Moose 

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<font size=2 face="sans-serif">I guess I should have stated that I've
been having problems finding one for decades. &nbsp;I had the old style
with screw in bulbs (BEFORE there were even LEDs.) &nbsp;I've tried the
build in LEDs.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">They mostly fail by either never turning
off, or never turning on (and yes, I'm aware that some have 'overrides'
where you turn it and off with the switch and it works normal, this wasn't
the case.) &nbsp;the last one would flash on and off constantly and night.</font>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">From: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp;</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">Jimmie Mayfield &lt;[email-masked]&gt;</font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">To: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
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<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">Date: &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp;</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">06/28/2023 11:03 AM</font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">Subject: &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp;</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">Re: [Shop-talk]
LED motion lights</font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">Sent by: &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp;</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">&quot;Shop-talk&quot;
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<br><font size=3>Any ideas what the failure mode was for the fixtures that
have died?&nbsp; Were they the style that had non-replaceable LEDs or were
they the old-school style that use screw-in bulbs?</font>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=3>On 6/28/23 07:45, </font><a href=mailto:[email-masked]><font size=3 color=blue><u>[email-masked]</u></font></a><font size=3>
wrote:</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Ob Shop Content, I need these all around
my shop! &nbsp;8&gt;)</font><font size=3> <br>
</font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
braintrust...</font><font size=3> <br>
</font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
I have been in a constant battle to find an LED outdoor motion light that
will work for more than a year or two.</font><font size=3> <br>
</font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
I've tried cheap ones, expensive ones, and nearly everything in between.</font><font size=3>
<br>
</font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
Can someone recommend a brand/model that they have had good success with?
&nbsp;I am looking for hardwired ones only, not the solar battery ones.</font><font size=3>
<br>
</font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
Thanks.</font><font size=3> <br>
</font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
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That's a failure in the photocell or a mismatch between the bulb used and
the photocell. The photocell can't be sensitive to the light the fixture
puts out or it will see that it is dark, turn the light on, 'think' "Oh
it's light now!" and turn the light off, at which point it will see that
it's dark and restart the loop.

-Paul

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<div dir=3D"ltr">That&#39;s a failure in the photocell or a mismatch betwee=
n the bulb used and the photocell. The photocell can&#39;t be sensitive to =
the light the fixture puts out or it will see that it is dark, turn the lig=
ht on, &#39;think&#39; &quot;Oh it&#39;s light now!&quot; and turn the ligh=
t off, at which point it will see that it&#39;s dark and restart the loop.<=
div><br></div><div>-Paul</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 4:28=E2=80=AFPM &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:[email-masked]">[email-masked]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></d=
iv><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bord=
er-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font size=3D"2" face=
=3D"sans-serif">I guess I should have stated that I&#39;ve
been having problems finding one for decades.=C2=A0 I had the old style
with screw in bulbs (BEFORE there were even LEDs.) =C2=A0I&#39;ve tried the
build in LEDs.</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">They mostly fail by either never t=
urning
off, or never turning on (and yes, I&#39;m aware that some have &#39;overri=
des&#39;
where you turn it and off with the switch and it works normal, this wasn&#3=
9;t
the case.) =C2=A0the last one would flash on and off constantly and night.<=
/font>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=3D"1" color=3D"#5f5f5f" face=3D"sans-serif">From: =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0
=C2=A0</font><font size=3D"1" face=3D"sans-serif">Jimmie Mayfield &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:[email-masked]" target=3D"_blank">mayfield+=
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0</font><font size=3D"1" face=3D"sans-serif">Re: [Shop-talk]
LED motion lights</font>
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<br><font size=3D"3">Any ideas what the failure mode was for the fixtures t=
hat
have died?=C2=A0 Were they the style that had non-replaceable LEDs or were
they the old-school style that use screw-in bulbs?</font>
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<br><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Ob Shop Content, I need these all =
around
my shop! =C2=A08&gt;)</font><font size=3D"3"> <br>
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braintrust...</font><font size=3D"3"> <br>
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I have been in a constant battle to find an LED outdoor motion light that
will work for more than a year or two.</font><font size=3D"3"> <br>
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I&#39;ve tried cheap ones, expensive ones, and nearly everything in between=
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Can someone recommend a brand/model that they have had good success with?
=C2=A0I am looking for hardwired ones only, not the solar battery ones.</fo=
nt><font size=3D"3">
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From: David Scheidt <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2023 12:22:49 -0500

On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 3:23 PM <[email-masked]> wrote:
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> I guess I should have stated that I've been having problems finding one for decades.  I had the old style with screw in bulbs (BEFORE there were even LEDs.)  I've tried the build in LEDs.
>
> They mostly fail by either never turning off, or never turning on (and yes, I'm aware that some have 'overrides' where you turn it and off with the switch and it works normal, this wasn't the case.)  the last one would flash on and off constantly and night.

i have two motion lights here.  One came with the place, but didnt
work properly, the other I installed.  Both now use sensors from heath
zenith (one is this one:
https://www.amazon.com/Heath-Zenith-HZ-5316-WH-240-Degree-Replacement/dp/B000OUW7O
 the other is similar, but the beam angle is smaller).  The existing
one just had the sensor swapped out, the one I installed has the
sensor mounted remotely from the light it controls (only sensible way
to make that light location work).  Both have been working fine for
several years.

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